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P PW satice he had given of a notion on the above subject. He thought that previous to involving the nation in expence, the utility *Pits objects should be clearly as certained he would therefore move fora Committee to take luta consideration the expediency of erecting Pe- ' nitentiary Houses ; as also to inquire whether any ad ditional 'provisions 'should be made on that account, and what clesctitiktion of persons should be admissible into them ? • Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY would not oppose the motion of his Honourable Friend, but wished he had to shew a wider range, in default of his having - done so he should move an Amendment. He wished the Committee not only to inquire into the expediency of existing penitentiants, &c. but also to take into consi deration the utility of the species of punishment alrettdy established, viz. transportation and imprisonment on board the hulks. He would not take upon him to say that the penitentiaries should supersede the other two' modes of punishment; but with respect to transporta tion,he could state such facts as would make the House perceive the expediency of at least appointing a Corn- mittee to.inquire with respect to it. The expence of the penitentiaries had been talked of ; but what would be the amount of that compared to the expence of the colony to which our convicts were transported? Mr. WHITBREAD had been at Portsmouth during the last Session of Parliament; had visited the hulks ; it was impossible for any thing to be better conducted ; and he could not forbear giving his unbiassed testimony to the indefatigable and meritori ous zeal with which Mr. Graham performed his duty. Mr.WILBERFORCE deprecated the delay which as inquiry as to the other modes of punishment might occasion to the erection of the penitentiaries. Tne SPEAKER was of opinion that it would be better to let the original motion stand, and superadd the new matter suggested. He then read the Motion, which was agreed to, and a Committee appointed to meet to-morrow morning, at nine o'clock, in the Speaker's chamber. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. Lord PALMERSTON moved for a Comnsittet of the whole House to inquire with respect to the Supplies granted to his Majesty. The House then went into a Committee of Supply. Lord PALMERSTON wished to observe to the Committee, that although the estimates were framed upon the same principle to those of last year, yet sane difference in the distribution of expence having necessarily occurred, he would endeavour to specify and account for it with all possible precision. In the Household' - there -- increase of men, hut tee to the state of the regular Army, and the view 1 which theearepaign on tbePeninsulehadbeee mama. which the Ministers of the Prince Regent took of thisl The Honourable General had certainly not found his subject. And upon this part of the question there prophecies correct on that subject, and he hoped many were two considerations ; first, as to the amount of of them would not be accomplished in future. In the force necessary fot national defence ; and secondly, first place it wassaid that Lord Wellington had neglected how, from the national resources of the country, that . to crush the enemy by fighting, and that Mamma had force should be kept effective ; and it was a subject been successful by such neglect. Lord Wellington of congratulation that they were n ot now called : had also been accused of rashness in defending the upon to devise the means for keeping the establish- , heights of Busaco ; so that he who had been blamed meat of the regular Army effective. The time was in the first instance for not attackiog the French, was now gone by, when it required the energies of the to be blamed for rot leaving Massena to take posses. Government to rouse the nation to meet the threat of , sion of Busaco. If they looked back at the nature of 1 the enemy :o invade this country, by the energy and , these prophecies, they might be satisfied that Lord skill of the Government. It was not, therefore, ne- ; Wellington had disappointed the Hon.-General in his cessary to call the attention of the Committee to the , expectations, for he had supposed the cause would be means of augmenting the Army, but as to the means worse than they found it. The expence of the cam by which they might be kept effective and complete. paign was also represented to be of greet magnitude, —The progress of ordinary recruiting was confined but the expellee was light to what it would be, if the to certain limits ; and from the present state of agri- war was carried on nearer our own shores, or in Ire culture and commerce, it was found that very few land. On thewhole, he conceived that while Ministers men were to be induced by the bounty which this were doing their best in Portugal, they were doing the mode held out : 11,000 men was the ordinary number j best for the country. enlisted annually, but last year there were not so General TARLETON, in explanation, again de many, there being great obstacles iii the way from precated the war on the Continent, and contended, the Ballot for the Militia, as numbers held back for that it was only calculated to promote the views of the greater bounty. It was proposed, therefore, that Bonaparte. When all our resources were gone, the there should be permitted voluntarily to enlist from Emperor of France would avail himself of his long the Militia into the line 10,000 men annually. It was meditated plan of invasion. The cause in Spain, he also intended to permit a portion of the Irish Militia said, was almost hopeless. A cry of No , No , by an to volunteer into the line, and withou t g oin g into fur.' , Honourable Member followed the last assertion, in ther discussion, he intimated his intention to move for ' conse q uence of which the Honourable General oh. leave to bring in a Bill to that effect. served, gg I should like to know whether the exertions General TARLETON said he did not mean to of the Spaniards are like what they were three years assume to himself greater wisdom, or military expe. ago ?' He approved of the plan of removing the Irish rience than was possessed by other Members of the Militia to England, and the English to Ireland. House, but the Continental war in which we were en- Mr. CANNING could not suffer an opportunity gaged appeared to him so impolitic, that.)te could not to pass without expressing . his opinion on the general let that opportunity escape him of deprecating it.— policy by which the British Army then stood su- The experience we had had, he thought was sufficient penny to the troops of France oa the Peninsula.— to convince every reflecting man, that our exertions on With respect to the responsibility attached to those the continent, instead of diminishing the power of 80. who advised the campaign in Portugal, be would say, naparte, tended only to increase it, while we lost the when the question was to be tried, he would be ready lives of our most valuable soldiers, who ought to de- to take his share of it. In that measure there had fend our own country, and maintain it as a rallying been as much wisdom as policy., We had defended point for other nations who should wish to shake off our country at a distant point, in conjunction with our the yoke of the tyrant. The campaign of the much allies ; but the Hon. General had told them that they lamented Sir John Moore sufficiently proved that no had commenced the campaign in Spain, and were effectual co-operation would be given by the Spaniards, then obliged to defend Portugal. While Spain was and the history of Lord Wellington's army equally defensible, it was our interest to defend it, and if we shewed that we were incapable of rendering our allies were confined in the lines of Lisbon at present, it was any effectual assistance, as was evident from the fall still our duty to stand firm against the enemy. He of Ciudad Roderigo and Almeida. The Honourable did not mean when he made this assertion, to concur General then detailed the whole operations of Lord in the predictions of the Hon. General. Did the on the Peninsula, and contended that they Honourable General and his friends think that they . _ . . their - - with . had not a right to compare .._ predictions the vaunting of the enemy;—the boast that the Eagles of Fiance should be planted on the walls of Lisbon.' He was not discontented if he could pro* that Lord Wellington had confined, against• his wilt, the best General of Bonaparte, against whom all the. States of the Continent had crumbled. He was not discontented if he could prove that Lord Wellington had, between the living and the dead, withstood the 'tempest which so longmenaced the independence of the world. When he saw him, like a skilful Com mander, adopt caution and delay, the presumption was, that the British had mai;ttained a contest which Bonaparte did not expect to encounter. If it could be proved, that it was to our advantage to keep the resources of the Country at home, yet he would say, from the altered tone of Bonaparte, and other , effects produced by the Campaign in Portugal, that our exertions had obtained well earned advantages. By making the Peninsula the area of the battle, we had kept it from our shores, and if it should unfortu nately reach us, we should then have the pleasing sa tisfaction of saying, that we had opposed the enemyl with all his resources, under circumstances glorious to the British arms. But when they came to add the moral ednsideration attached to the campaign, all would say the British character had been elevated. The behaviour of our troops abroad would convince the world that France could not be at rest at home. Here the Right Hon. Gentleman quoted, in support of the British spirit, several lines from Shakespeare's Play of King John-- " What! shall we seek the lion ?" &c. The Right Hon. Gentleman then contended that the system of the Peninsula was justified on principles of wisdom and policy. General TA RLETON again explained; and hav ing made an allusion to sear% British Officers out of the country, Mr. CANNING in reply observed, that gofer from being desirous of seeing all the Officers sent on foreign service, it was his wish to see the Honourable Officer remain in that House to criticise the battles of Lord Wellington.— (A laugh.) The remaining Estimates were then agreed to, and the Report ordered to be received to-morrow. The Silk Manufacturers Bill was ordered to be read a third time on Wednesday. Accounts were moved for, of all interest paid on Exchequer Bills for three years, ending in Januarii IBll.—Ordered.—Adjourned at halt-past twelve. Troops . was an i , ___ Wellington e , a decrease of expenditure to the amount of WO. The were injudicious and fruitless; but it would be for the pay of drum and trumpet majors had been equalizes House to express its opinion upon them, when Mini with that of serjeants, which produced an expenditure sters should produce authentic information upon the of two or three thousand pounds per annum. There subject. He did not mean to say any thing disrespect had been a decrease of 430,000 on the Dragoon ful personally to Lord Wellington, nor was he ac- Guards, as also a further decrease in consequence tuated by any feeling of rivalship towards him • of the transfer of the province of finding forage to (A Laugh) ; —but he condemned the system on which the Commissariat in• Ireland. The 97 th R e g iment ho acted. He lamented that so many of our troops had been originally composed of foreigners, but were sent to die in a foreign land, in a hopeless cause, having been gradually reunited in this country, it while this country was neglected. He knew that very bad been judged expedient to place them on a few reviler troops were left in Ireland in its• present footing with regiments of the line, and an increase situation, because he knew that that country ought of estimate resulted from this measure, as also never to be without at least 25,000 men to support the from the New Brunswick fencibles having extend- militia and yeomanry, either in repelling invasion, or ed their services, and being in consequence trans- repressing rebellion. C ferred from unnumbered to numbered corps. T h e Lord ASTLEREAGH said, he saw no reason increase in unnumbered corps eras to the amount of for withholding the usual votes. He should take alio -4,8,000. The waggon train Consisted originally of ther opportunity of delivering his opinion upon the bill twelve troops, an ordev was made for their reduction intended to be pro4uced by the Noble Lord, but he to seven ; three were reduced, two were serving with hoped that nothing would be permitted to interfere Lord Wellington, and two others were s e nt out to with the Local Militia system, which had been so hap. supply their place ; but Lord Wellington had derived pily established, and which received the cordial sup. such benefit from their services, that he made a repre. port of all classes of men. It would secure the per sentation of the expediency of retaining the four troops. manent defence of the empire. He entirely approved Two more had been sent out since, besides one sent to of recruiting the regular army from the militia, be- Cadiz. The reduction of the Manx Fencibles caused cause experience convinced him of its efficacy, and he a decrease of 434,000. In miscellaneous charges there thought every encouragement ought to be given to the was a decrease of £185,000. A decreise of £330,000 militia service itself. He wished to see the militia re bad resulted from deductions out of what was termed giments of England sent for a time to Ireland ; and Non-effective pay. He had endeavoured to separate those of Ireland to come to England, because that in all contingent charge, the very name by which they tercourse between the people of both countries would went pointing out the expediency of so doing. In produce that unity of feeling wherewith they should regiments serving in the East Indies, in consequence be animated. The advantages derived by the Eng• of the addition of two recruiting companies, there was lish and Scots militias, by residence in counties dis. an increase of 1320,000, and a decrease of 2000 men. tent from their own, were known, and however much For the Militia there was only an increase of £ 185,000. the dispositio n of the Irish had been misrepresented The increase on account of Sta ff and Garrison was, by designing men, he was confident they never 460,000, 437,000 of which were for Ireland : 42000 would lose their national character, but exercise their were saved by retirement of Officers serving in Inva. accustomed frankness and good nature towards the lids. An increase of £l9OO arose from a saving on ; English soldiers. It would be the duty of the latter certain fees • 41000 on half-pay of military allow . I also to ,convince the Irish of the security which the antes, and :e'240,000 had been recovered from the I laws afforded them, and of the necessity of obeying hands of Prize Agents. There was an increase of , them. 45000 on the Pensions of Widows. A decrease ofl Mr. WHITBREAD would not then give any opi -4300 on account of Volunteers , chiefly in Ireland. I nion upon the plan proposed by the Noble Secretary —Sixty-one thousand pounds have also been saved `for maintaining our military force ; but he knew that in consequence of the time of service of the Local I no good effect could result from bringing the Irish Militia having been reduced from 2e to fourteen days. I militia into this country, unless the disabilities under l e-Thus there would appear aaliminution of £lO,OOO which the Catholics now laboured were removed. In the expences of training. The next subject his 1 . Lord PALMERSTON explained. Lordship adverted to was the Foreign Corps, which i Mr. WHITBREAD said, to looking at the de- ' - amounted to age2oo,ooo ; and upon this branch ofl partment for military accounts, an establishment the Army there would appear a diminution of 2194 which had taken place about three years since, he • Report relative to the detention of COLVILLE , men, in consequence of the defective state of the Malta thought it very extraordinary that in so short a time ,in the House of Correction, Cold Bath Fields. ' regiment. In the estimate for the Military College, one of the Inspectors of Army Accounts had been al there .would appear a deficiency of 429,700, which lowed to retire on a pension. He hoped the Noble The Secret Committee, appointed to enquire into the cir cumstances connected with the detention of Com.s.s, arosefrom a further sum being necessary to complete Lord would give him some explanation on the subject. sew a Prisoner in the House of Correction in Cold Bath the buildings of that establishment. There would also The next point he had to notice was the state in which Fields; and tb report the matter as it shall appear tothem appear a partiel increase of expence in the Ordnance Catholic soldiers would stand, when they , came to to the House — Department, in consequence of the removal of the England to fight our battles. A Right Honourable sc Have proceeded In the investigation of the matter Ordnance Cadets back to Woolwich. In the Mai. Gentleman 'had said, that the laws now in force referred to them ; and have inspected various docu tary Asylum there was also some increase for pro. against Catholic soldiers were a dead letter, but it was refe rs and examined several witnesses, tithesrelave to the vision and clothing ; for retired chaplains, and the certainly arnatter of great importance to know whether causes and circumstances of the detention of aid sick in hospitals an increase of £16,000; for hospital' they were repealed. Colville, the mode of his confinement, and the nature expences, £17,000 ; 3€600 for ,the Compassionate 1 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, of his treatm ent i n Pr ison ' List ; and £7OOO for transferring Conting encies . In expressed a hope that th'e Honourable Gentleman 66 Your Committee Report, That there a pp ears to the Irish Commissariat, the Increase of charge for (Mr, Whitbread) did not wish to damp the motion have been sufficient cause for 4is seizure and deten cavalry was about £77,000, front which Was to be of the Noble Lord, or impede the service of the coun- tion ; and they are decidedly of opinion, that on public deducted a sum of £4OOO in the contract for grt. tiy, by introducing topics on which there was some ', grounds it is necessary that be should remain in con- Coats, leiving an increase of iE73,000, Upon a g e ,. difference o t opinion of a delicate nature. Some finement ; It does not appear to your Committee, oeral view of the subject, therefore, there appeared a conciliation might be necessary, but if conciliation was that he has suffered any inconvenience which is not decrease of numbers 514, and All Ancrease of charge the only obstacle to the motion, he hoped it would incident to the description of place in which he is de of R 142,000, against this charge might be placed the not be increased by the Honourable Gentleman. , tained ; but they are of opinion, that the Regulations saving by the diminution in the training of the Local The law, as it stood, admitted Irish Militias to come of such a Prison are inconsistent with the nature of Militia, of 460,000. In the variety of these details over. at was 'known that Catholic soldiers were the confinement to which he ought to be subjected, the Noble Lord cool not to into the particular mi. serving in the ranks in England, and was it to be ' and with that security from communication with per nu of each head of estimate, as it would be tree- supposed that the law alluded to would rise to a' sons out of the Prison, which isnacessary for the object passing too much on the patience of the Committee, greater degree of severity ? He hoped, on the whole, 'of his detention. and as other opportenities would be given to go more that the measure proposed by his Noble Friend would i 66 Your Committee, from obvious considerations not be found jecenvenient. Much had been said by .of Into detail ; he would, however, give any further public expediency, have felt ittheir duty, in making explanation that might be required of him. But he an Honourable General on the subject of defending es most auz'ous to call the attention of ;be Coniirit• rottullal• He would only allude au their Report to the House, to refrain from entering the inaliner is into skt particular circumstances of dm case." • 7r. !Val . lo it t , ~ I 1.: NAVAL INTELLIUNCL ••••Il PLYMOUTH, MARCH S. overnment, much to their credit, have already re leased several thousand aged and infirm French pri:3- nets ' and sent them home. Four cartels , with 170 o f this description, sailed yesterday for Morlatz.—Ar. rived, the Hoat4rr hospital • ship, 18 guns, aid the WHITING schooner, from Scilly. Went out of har bour to the Sound, After a thorough repair, the Aft wog frigate, Captain DUNN : she will he paid wages and prize-money to-morrow, preparatory to her sail. ing on a cruize. POR'rsmoirrii, MARCH 4. Nothing arrived or sailed to-day.—Wind Westerly. DEAL, MARCI 4. AtTifed his Majesty's ship SWIFTSORR from the Westward, and the Threats frigate Evom a cruise, during which she sunk la Fortunee French privateer. The outward-bound remain.—Wind W. . DOVER, MARCH 4. Arrived the Elizabeth cartel from off Calais, whi. ther she proceeded from Cliatham with eighteen French prisoners of war, in lieu of these sent- from Dunkirk belonging to the Elizabeth East-Indiaman, but was not permitted to approach the harbour, an 18-pound shot having been fired through her from the batteries, which providentially did no harm. RAMSGATE, MARCH 4. Arrived the sloop Hope, C.Roucu master, from Weymouth, after beating off a French privateer and carrying away her mizen-nuut, by running plump into her. The privateer was off the Southforeland, inside the lighthouse. SHEEENESS, MARCH 4. Saturday the COILMOR ANT arrived from the River Thames. The &inmate was, paid prize-money and wages to-day. Arrived the Tic(i.eit from Chat , ham ; the MAGN RT and MANLY from the Northward. Sailed the CORMORANT for the westward. Wind S. W. blows strong. LIVERPOOL, MARCH 5. This afternoon several vessels from America ar rived, but the weather is so boisterous, none of the Captains could come ashore. There is no foundation, for the report from Ports mouth, last week, of a 74 gun-ship having upset. Two Dover letters which we have seen mention. that ,ae of our cutters was on Saturday last captured by ten French privateers, and carried into Calais. Captain BYA NI has taken the command of the TIM TM, at the Leeward Islands, in the room of Captaia WALKER, come home sick ; and Captain Wottutr■ the command of the Opossum. The following are the particulars of the capture of the French brig Hero, by his Majesty's ship Valiant, near Sable d'Olonne:—The Valialt sailed early oa Sunday morning from the anchorage in Basque-roads, and on passing the Baleine Light, observed a coevor passing along shore to the northward ; she immedi ately hauled up, cut off the sternmost vessel (a fine brig, laden with cast-metal and wheat), and forced her to take shelter under St. Nicholas, near (Dionne, —A single boat, manned and armed, under the com i mand of Lieutenant HuTctriosox of the Rryal Navy, seconded by Lieutenant HAMILTON of the Marines, boarded her under a galling fire of musketry from the beach, drove thecrew ashore, and triumphantly car vied her off, without the loss of a man. Thursday morning, in a house near the barrackeh Glasgow, a servant-girl put up a folding-bed, in winch a fine child of about 17 months old was sleeping, without knowing the circumstance, and although the accident was soon afterwards discovered, yet unfortu nately the little innocent was smothered. BasAtt.—To-day there being no Court of Alder men the Lord Mayor, after inspecting the returuis ordered to continue at the present prices. NEWOATE AND LEADENHALL MARKET Pszstoae of slb.lse the aossoos. Bost 4s. Id. to N. 041 Ve.l M Od. to 7s. 114 Mutts* 4s. 4d. to ss. Id. Pork Is. 4d. to 7s. PRICE OF HOPS IN THE BOROUGH MARKET. Bar Pockets • Kent SI. Ss. to 71. ISs. Kent 61. Os. to 91. Suue: bl. M. to 71. Os. Sussex 51. It/. to IL Ifs COAL MARKET, March 4 Ships at Market Bold Priem. 6 Newcastle • 6 475. 6J. to S6s. Od. 1 Sunderland 1 SOt. Od. to uos. Od. COURSE OF EXCHANGE. Amsterdam, 28 4 2 U Palermo, 123 Peuse per oT o Ditto at sight, 27 6 Leghorn, 58 Rotterdam, c. f. 8 6 2 U Genol, 54 IHariaburgh, 24 0 it U Venice, it. C. 5 2. Liv. Piccole Al t ana, 24 1 Si U effective par 6. stet. Faris 1 day's da. 17 16 Lie. Naples, 42 Ditto, 2 Us. 18 0 Lisbon, 67* Bourteaux, do. 16 0 Oporto, 611 Madrid, Effect. i Dublin, 10 Cadiz, N. Effect. Cork, 10.+ Bilbao .- • ~,, Meet. New Dollars, O. 04. IIJ• 811114 .1 6 82, Malta 63, Gibraltar 40. COUNTRY MARKE TS. fIICIII Of GRAIN AT TAN FOLLOWING *ARCOT/. Bossmorroxe.—Wbeat 981 red to 106 s Gd per Quarter. Barley 114 s Od to 37. Od I Beans Ses Od to 5 7, 04 Oci Oats 27s Od to 30s 6d Pease 00s Od to 0. Bread 2s 24. per gallon. klistizz.—Wlseet 74s Od to 'Otis Od per Qr. Barley SOs 01 to 474 Od I Beans 48s od to 51; al Gate 243 Od to 30s Od 1 Pease 401 Id to sts 04 i • Bread 2s. Sid. per galloU Musistnnsiso..—Wheat sits Od to 1125 Od per Qr. !Barley 35s Od to 40; Od I B e an s 48s Od to .55% 04 Oats 30s Od to 40 5 04 Pam 196 Od to Siis Od Nimovar.—Wheat 116 s Od to 112 s oci per Qr. Barley 27s Od to 354 Od P e as e 40: 04 to 474 04 Ss Oats sOd to 900 Csd Bra ns 4Cs od to 521 Od Bread I Is 24 per gallon. ILRAGeou.i...V.lteat 90s Od to 111$ Id per Quarter. Barley 30e 1511 to 39s Od I Beans 441 Od to 4S I rsi Oats Its Od to 30s Od Pease 431 04 to 00s ad Bread 2.. sd. per plies. Farnham Market, on Thursday. was very dull, and Wheat about ss. per limit cheaper than last Thursday ; o:he grain nearly as last week. Wheat fetched A'23 to "6 Ins.; Barley, :44.. to to, per gr.; Oats lye. to 288; Pease 48s. to Ms.; Beans 48s. to Seks 'rates, summer, I Is. W. to i sa. per bushel ; and winter, Ss. to Its. Id. '1 Ito Market in general dull. MARRIED. 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