Star. — London, England, 1816-02-13 00:00:00

of if louse Of could, dif ibns 'tied the l3e- Cuutt• very depending was 11. , ad- COnliderable ure et !time. protectidg a asailillalhlit eapply boa been Mit , talk a per slut harvest _ ___ . l'a - . silty. Diving the. war Government was in the' if tomcat* parehmei. The Victualling Office . at the sate of 1100,000 - meks of flour. Other g also stade,purcheses. This, of course. id tOisys raised the market, as sellers codld depend sport the Government, which they knew intuit be supplied, ,Wben Government purchases ceased, there Must of sittesif follow a considerable alteration. - Had Par "llitioent interposed by oprotetting measure at an @Wier period than lastlear, it was probable that the sects now so much felt would not haire taken place. 'gut Parliament did not - interpose until - after the ittte. tests of agriculture bad suffered a considerable blow. The eeeetry was nciw in a situation in which the fall aprites pegged severely on all those branches which supplied the agrieultandinterest. This was likely . to continue, until k diminution of demand should produce a diminution of price. A great variety of remedies for these inconveniences had been both pub 'Hoy and privately suggested; but he did not then Intend to dwell upon them. One Hon. Gentleman bed•suggesad al one means of relief, the suspension of the Usury Acts. If he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) should feetthat the present difficulties 'Were likely to continue long, and if no ether and bet. tax remedy offered, he should not treat that sugges. ilon lightly. The remedies to which be now directed ,isis attention consisted in the diminution of takes, and in a course of measurer calculated to support public credit. The latter seemed at resent the most im nt and pressing siibject. IT he might use a Ea. nsiliar ' and perhaps rather vulgar illustration, he would suppose that every elan in the couniry, great and small, should find a guinea in his pocket to. morruwmorniegs.--(Lartehorr.) Has knesi it (*was a visionary sapposition-tgaugh) - 1 7 —but though . this might amount to fifteen .miltiots, yet" each -- person' would base nci ino7e Vieans of paying it ilifn thilf Ile bad at preieti. It would be a lougtimehtfore.these guineas could be collected together kw us...ful•Opctir- Dont It 'Would tie differont if 'they 'could be• all brouo,hy at once to • the country hanki ; for Alti . rillt who could give security might be accommodated:— agriculture invigorated, manufactures assisted, and die distresses of the country might disappear. We could neither give any man a guinea, nor send the fifteen miliions to the banks. But the.wants of the country would require a large slim of money. The distresses of the country would not be in any mate rial degree augmented by the taxes ; but if we took 1 a large sum in - a mass by loan from the capital of the country, we m ig ht do much injury. Last year we had added fifty.four millions to our national debt, tirltile this year, instead of being obliged 0 make 1 any addition, we should be relieved to the extent of fourteen millions. This sum, employed in buying up Exchequer Bills. would contribute powerfully to assist the wants of the State. The relief which must result from this diminution of public expenditure, would.spread confidence in various channels, and re move the pleasure that is at present felt by many climes of society. The House would see that ad vantage would be taken of our fieancial condition to reduce immediately the::weight of taxation. The proposal which he had stated on ' a former occasion, to reduce the Property '4 frorp ten to five per cent. would produce a relief of severs minions.. About four raiilions of this . tax, 'obi .•.;1 f l it u p on 5ai ,, , ,-j ci a tn i e , Inill thus be taken Of t 'making a moiety of the eight lisillions paid by the agricultural interest. 'ln addi.l don to this mitigation. in &fele of agriculture,•hei meant to, propose the jiWfiter felief of one million , arising - from other saurces...of situation, which ..the; farming pact of . Ili, conusiinity at •in esent . paid-z- 1 making thus a ritilaation - of...their.ttnririiiii r .trilie amount of five Millions... The dais felievetrCompre T heads those in schedule B. -err The farmers. •He meant to propose The remiitilbn entirely of the tax aeon horses employed in agticialtute.—(flear,.hear.) Some other reduction might be made, but in what proportion, or of what nature, could not now be stated, and must be reserved for future deliberation. What appeared to him to be as important, in our pre. sent situation, as immediate relief from particulir taxes, were those means that might be employed !or supporting and improving public credit. He would therefore, in proposing the Ways and Means of the year, endeavour teeabstain from any measure that had a tendency to }mess upon the money market ; and he had much satisfactiou in stating that he should i lsot feel himself called upon to resort to a loan for 'currying on the public service. II we could thus abstain from adding to our debts, which in the course of the last three years had been augmented by the ~the great sum of 4142,000,000, and in the last year alone by 454,006,000, and it we could realize a, saving of 414,000,000, he could.not but conwatii. 'late the country upon our state and prospects. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) would row shortly suite the principal heads of expenditure, and would begin with the Navy. His Honcurable Friend (Sir s George Warreoder), one of the Lords of the Admi.. rally, would soon have to propose to the House the Estimates connected with that department. In what he had to say, he would not be understood as fixing the peace establishment. He merely wished to state what would. in his opinion, be the supply for the year, leaving for future discussion , and arrangement what would be necessary as a permatieot establishment.— In future years a great reduction may be expected but he did not- with at present to state any opinion on a subject which could not, without time and expe rience of events, be decided - 46n. ,lt would not up pear remarkable that we could nit, inuinediately after . a protracted and extensive war, reduce oar establish. ment so as to meet such a state of peace; when it is considered that three rir-fotfr ygars intervened between the end of the AmeriCan w.r.and the final airange inents for a.season of tranquillity. The number of seamen which he would propose for manning the! navy *bold be 53,000. la the peace That occurred alter the curtest with America, the uumbei kept up was sometimes 18,000,, and sometimes 'O,OOO. l'ne• ordinary and extraordinary •expenses of this establish. menu he would estimate at 47,000,000. He did not . th the in n k s it v it y ers bu sar t y h t e o w en o t u e i r d fur be ther a with regard to the army, as the ilni rt s l u ed b e j nit e a c oi t irsec i na u rc l d i 7 . u n i E tome regularly before the, House for some time.-- , He begged Gentlemen to bear in mind, that in our 1 former estimates of the Peace Establishment for the army, the force. kept op for chit service of Ireland WAS never included. .0n the present occasion, he i would state 'the . estimate fo!ir the -whole Empire. For Great Britain, tinernsey, and Jersey al troops . proposed to be kept up -• would b e thousand men; and for Inland he lie e e - : teVenty-five thousand merr.--(eh er, i" would be three thousand requ i red as s'itu: ing force for the relief of fo re i gn G ee e" Other incidental purposes. I t Imo : thought impossible to reduce our small establishment, considering the im ce of our foreign dependencies, and the ee te n ' plying them from time to t i me with a troops, as well as relievi ng t h em fenn el distant service. This f orce world not manently in the country. I t woul t be changing place with the t roops employe( logics, lnd allowing tf rue acquiringthosewh itself exp er i ence 1M have se rve d abre at inteevals to their native l an d. Those nits, and those at home, wou ld thus ins qualities of a British army, t h e f ormer tion -acquiring efficiency, a n d t h e late " P e or u G h ilePtarr ! l u their wily British feeli ngs b y their re army to be employed in F rance , the lie able Gentleman stated at thirty theme: detailed iroreiga the p epe fo n ll d o elc in i g e s n :— the other British Garrisons in the /te eleven thousand ; for British nada, Nova Scotia, and the Bermudas, ; sand ; and for our West India C o e n thousand, including in this estimat e I, for Jamaica. Since the year l7ee, w e t our possessions in that quarter to a ere adding several Islands to our dominion! tiltionel force would appear small in the number of Garrisons to be m was here a laugh on the opposition bci the Chancellor of ;he Ftchequ:r saie, these possessions were valueble 'he Cc 'be efterwerds discos-eel by the Kmiec .seen opposite.] The Cape of Geese te e ;Ajeuire tteee thous in !, and Ceylr'n Ur ewers. In our Crl):iies, frrinerly, tf portion, or nearly the whole of the toe eras British. At present there WAS 4 derable mixture 'of uarives composing detachments. They were fond to per equally well, and thus there was a great sash lives, as the climate of cur Coln "newly detrimental to the heath of our The garrison of Sr. Helena might be st the force on the coast of Arica lUD New South %Vales 80J. The tete' of force upon the British and leish establish according to these estimates, amount to He meant by this estimate to state, not force, or the number of men fit for sem any particular time, probably would eighty-five or ninety thousand, but the including regimental dtfistencies. The employed in France he bad already stall those required for the East Indies m tioned at 20,00 e. No call would be n country for tEe maintenance of the trn as part of the army of occupation in F will be supplied from France ltselt, ai ther to been. , The contributions fixed u regularly paid, and no assistance will be England in future, as they will all be public service, except such a prelim of be given in the form of a gratuity, or a to the troops who ralsea themselves s try to so much glory. The Chanceili chequer believed that, in law, the v :Contributions might be considered as Nerve TA lac, het r, sear ;) but the I • !without.consulting his 'owe, private let the whole to be applied to the.. put The Allies had agieed upon the proprii of allotting fifty ;Miltinneeot -more than two millfOrri . iterlingequ Prussian troops, for bitii noble . ereice of Waterloo. This sum had been pla posal of the respective • authorities 'et Prussia, and was divided into two p army. including the Henoveriens and receiving twenty-five millions of Frenc the Prussian a: my the other half. 'l' lotted to cur government of the ;nee spun France was one trundled million, tour millions sterling, and eight hull pounds of this had been this year re the reduction of forces which he had ti the total amount of supply ircessery 1 our military establishment might be million three hundred thousand pew) • mate was, however, exclusive of the E which he would proceed to lay before The Commissariat might be stated at barracks 1€2.58,0e0, and the whole exi ttco millions. The total for the at some items not mentioned, amounted ti For the navy ordinaries and extra() millions; for the ordnance two mil miscellaneous expenditure two raillie The ordnance last year amounted to I There was one other item of expert( had still to mention, and diet would t rt payment to the East.ladia Cump lions, which they had expended for 'lest Inds. In consequence of a pet : finances, they had made a charge of tv had already received £500,000, in the whiclethey bad exported to their east , and found a reasonable and seas -mtbles The whole of these estimates amount *To the Bank it would be necessary to five hundred theusand peunds, which the sum formerly specified, and :eve will Makes general aggregate of twee three hersdred and thirty-eight thous() Great . Britain and Ireland. There u ratites otlh4 c arge fcr Irelind, as keep the cages for the two countrie ..Cheneellorni the Exchequer then pr the Ways and Means. He had alter plus of the grants of last yeer to the than forty, millions, which had beet ,paying arrears, and purchasing Excle he would beginelor this year, with a unexpected item of revenue, and one would give satisfaction to the House additional surplus.ot three millions, a service of the country.—(Hear, was subject to a contingency, by wl reduced; but he would nut heAtate . • , : ' • ' 410Frammesessimot==aammoloonimmtbalill" nowda. si a k arm a m o o (at Lards o, on ti salons a (were remained the proportion , of he lustyn6li d'ill the " sr " . • sett i ony v i s Dew ban ins pooping eel Holland - en the account of Russia , one fourth of as tomatow, . which we had, by treaty, taken upon nerseleee. Of OF , ifiCrhositTili .111brikT• E i tt , . these urns he thought some statements ought to be • ._,ATtei..0a.....Ai5c..,..21.12krai.iiim2.....EX.CH,. of made . , as it would or proper to knew, in thesere. . spects, what was due to, and what remained as a i i 7 1 74 . 7, - , ;5 2 r i c 0 : a t h e ta 40• Z oe l o = he m u ; debt steeitut this gthmerr• T. were also large 'latter belted eireeifleellrereedakopose Was,- the pro-1 sums , advanced or paid to French emigrants of all sidio _ v ...." onsicandin _yn c h - - equer Bills, to cont.' - descriptions in this-country 1 how such disbursements piete l bu ' veo4 " — is i us fot m 60.50000 Exchequer Bills, stood, red:f.-6e °Plii " 4tmu I . : : It appeared al tf A rro ! and to providefor 5t4,500,000 afterwardsissued. and his vieta of that Pet 91c,tueie su b j ect , t h at w e ''' 11 ' 4 which were ins , nearly becoming due) *Oda ballYs . only cancelled a debt of six hundred thousand pounds to caws the House to provide for the Bilk Tamed, • raised by . Poetegal as a Ipen, bet had engaged, by in cot of ul t tit th e krauts r ue - 1 8 18. H e had no i • treaty, to , pay them a further imp of three hundred ut b ee 7' l • ' to.so bj e g to w hi c h to call the attention thousan H e t d poun d s. hought it would be desirou s • of the Hennes but-he bad understood that it was CZ: toluitig all these pecentary considerations 'tildes Doe peened by some that On this occasion he should cow - . , point of view: it would•be proper also to know what triatee the consideration of • the subject of Supply by' . . efforts had been made 'to oUtaitt payment' from . France 'of these advances, akt tb %which it SRe!eird t, ng 'emit general slew, and melting some general . etp l osinon; of what he intended to propose u mea- this country hid akin right.. " • . • sures of finance. This expectation be could not re- " The Earl of LI V E RPOOL had strong doithis as Bard as unreasointble, at a period of so much imper - to . • . .• the _propriety of thus prematurely . entering into UMW as the present. Ile should therefore endeavour anyalisieussion of points which were regularly fixed to offer some statement of bit views, by which aome , for a future - consideration, or of points which , to a cue general judgment might be formed of circtunstances tails extent, Could not be made the subject of Perna. and measures. The House, however, mast perceive I , mentary documents or of Parliamentary discussion. t h at. smell a statement must b e genera l i st i ts nature. With respect•to the question of the prisoners of war, . ai referred to On a former night, the solution would He should wish to state, as cleatly.as he could , that 1 there was no probability of math increase of aspen- " i befonnd, not by any of the treaties recently presets- diture. We had now arrived at a crisis, at thosuc- ted, but by the treaty of 1814, which had clearly set- cessful close of a contest, carried on for many years tied that point. In regard to what was said on the w i th l i ttle i nterm i ss i on , f or t h e honour and indepen. , i • subject of the Austrian loan, the Noble Lord bad as full means of ascertaining as he had himself- • donee of this country, and for those of other 'Awes, The in which the display df cur naval and military glories amount of the loafs, as it stoodonay be learnt from a h a d so greatly contributed to our national security. reference to the Journals, or from a view of the peri- odical statement of the Funds, In which the article of and to the stability of oar Constitution. He hoped that, by a reference to facts•and documents which . t I 1 the Imperial Loan was regularly set down. All the • the Noble means b of t. f 'fore Par Lord said • CClllfitry m ,r lia in r might have in relation to the expenses OCCA- sioned by ern or relief o th nftin metlt. In respect to what refere ;the nce to any Zlainn he conceived the igrants, in obviation of their necessities, f• eir distresses, he would only observe , a would be laid before the House, it would be seen chat our resources remained in a highlrproductive state ; and that, for whatever might be now wanting , we had only to apply a portion of the same persever . ;,rice and firmness which we bad displayed during so long a contest. He should endeavour to take a short view of our financial situation at the commencement that he had not only felt, but viewed th at q ue st ion in of this last contest, of the Causes which now affect a very different way from what the Noble Lord our finances, and of those means of supply which he seemed to do. On these topics, under the circumaa. meant hereafter to propose to Parliament. All the stances, the Noble Earl felt it his . duty not to enter necessary documents would be almost immediately farther at present. laid upon the table. Loosing at the customs for the i . 'The two Noble Peers spoke res p ec tively in expla- year ending 1815, they produced 411,590,000; for vamp. the year ending 1816, 410,487,000. The House • • The Earl of LAUDERDALE said a few words would, however, recollect the expiral of the war-taxes there had been a 1000 or 4700,000. 1 . pre the occasion, and observed, rn r y: s, or year ' s interest paid, of the Austri i h th ai r f e a ictto the idea, that the notorieto of certain facts was an adequate objection to hell ing do. euments relative to them before the House, he ulster. on tonnage, which produced eitiOt , In ISI4, tie excise produced AV5,14.5,000, and for 1815, 42G,e62,0'../0, an increase of g 1,400,000 over the preceding year. No particular means operated last year, except what concerned licenses, Ste. The wed, that in many cases motions were made. not for I 1 stamp duties for 1814 produced £5,598,600 ; for the purpose of ascertainment, b 0 ..• that by lying upon 1815, 4.5, -- .mi5,000. A considerable increase in duty the table these facts and circumstances may be le g b ". had no doubt taken place, but he could not just then; larly referred to and argued upon. ascertain accurately to what it had amounted. The Lord KING said a. few words, elticidatery of the Post Office had produced for 1814, 411,450,000; for effect of his former address, perticularly on the topic 1815, x 1.548.000. T he Assessed Taxes produced of the 'Russian loan 'contracted in Holland. in 1314, AE6300;000 ;• but there was in the next year The question hiredjournment • being put, a diminution of about £2OOOOO. For . 11314. the i Lord HOLLAND said; before that proceeding took p lace, he wished to put another question to the .Property Tax produced £14,200,000. and for 1815,:1 £14,300,000, making an increase of 4100,000. The. Noble Earl. Considering the immense mass of papers Land Tax for 1814 produced 1,059,000. The total upon the table, for the purpose of bringing before the revenue for 1814 WAS 465,430,000; for 1815 there House the situation in which Europe and England was an increase of about a million. He had great _ 1 . - stands, and calling for the opinion of Parliament upon satisfaCiion in hoping that.the branch of ;Iv rereads that siMalitwl, he thought some distinct ieformauon arising from the Assessed Taxes would continue to should be given as to ore very important point.— flourish, and might be safely reckoned upon. He Taking it.as a ground, that the treaty of 1814 super. should now proceed to take some notice of the appli. . seded all former treaties, he must infer that the two cation of those very large and liberal grants which ( branches of the House of Bourbon were placed un- in , had so greatly contributed to our final success in the . der no engagement not to claim, case of respective conflict. He recollected that it was said by some, survivorship; the crowns of these two . kingdoms that so large a supply, granted to the lull extent of which were now placed upon their heads ? Supposing w h at was asked, would certainly fall far short of the then, therefore, at no great distance of time, the two i financial means which would be demanded. It was crowns of France and Spain may fall to one person also stated, about the same time, that.to make an at. without any breach of treaty, in this view he telt it his tempt upon the French frontier, would be hopeless— duty to ask whether any treaty had been entered into would be absurd: but both theseredictions had to prevent any events Which their Lordships we ll proved fallacious. The very day ake p r cue of them I . • • knew the blood and treasures of this courtry Was long was delivered, Charleroi was attacked, and the result 'expended to evert. the capnon did not cease to roar till in a few i The Earl of LIVERPOOL briefly replied, w 4 that days s our elf iris were crowned with the most corn- no treaties or engagements, of any description what- plcte, brilliant, and decisive success.—(Hear, Item.) 'ever, wereentered into that were not laid. before the Of last year's prants there were £21,000,000 due for . , House. past rependiture, and which formed no part of the . , Lord HOLLAND wished to know if he were to supplies wanted for future exertions. By this means understand that there existed no engagement to pre. what was previously due had been all discharged.— vent, for instance, , Ferdinand the Seventh of Spain, But, on the sth of January last, the Unfunded Debt 1 from succeeding to the Crown of France ? bad been by those liberal grants still reduced by The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, he . could only 621,000,000. Tlicre was last year a reduction to i repeat what be had just before said on the suliect. , . the ;mount of £41,500,000. Navy debts had also Their Lordships adjourned until toosiorrow. undergone a reduction of from 46,000,000 to about HOUSE OF COMMONS. £3,000,000. If he looked to the amount of our ma- Mr. PHUT ADDING TON presented the-Report of Mr. I. nufactures extorted, he found it, in the quarters end. . . H. ,on the subj,et of ships employed in the transports- tioalrotiviets. Ordered to tie on the raille, and to be printed. ing October 1 d• Two Petition were reksived from Edinburgh—one to discos . lay . rlO, 1814 ? £37,167,000 t and, ate alai- ate in 1815, t he a mount . was , , • se42 425 000 The den. the City Guard, led use for building a New Church. . House would have time and opportuaity to peruse Mr. ALLAN presented a Petition, signed by upwards of 7110 and examine the . particulars. •He should, for the I .1 I mown, Iselawglng to the Pen of Sunderland, and moved, that it *mold be read and laid ea the Table. present, merely advert to one or two of them. Of • The Petition then read and •srdered tole on t i le Table. .Cotton goods we exported, inlBl4, •to the value of - - teed GEOILGE BERESFORD stated the Answers of the £13,169,000; and in 1815, 415.372,000. Of Linens 'Low to ..the' :+ddresses presented-'that his Royal _Highness in lal4, 4 , 1,100,000, in 1815, 41,840,000. Of • weal gteadireetiebs fui the erisethar et the Nava/ Monument, wfonthim -iii 18 1 4. , . 46,000,000 odds. _ an d .. i nAsis, . .seill *at the Papers prayed for by ether Addresees should be laid . xs 0.• . 00D v . • . • . been the House. ..., is, . flaying so recentiy elated all the Sir FREDERICK FLOOD rave notice of a Motion, on an , great sinews of our national strength, the House soda .ay, foe Wye to Introduce a Bin to guard against Frauds would be frequently. thi s Session c e l l ed to the inn. efeemde" br Tenants open Landlords. H. afterwards Aarawl' portant consideration of our' financial affairs. Of Mash 11, arthe day for his Motion. Leave granted. that situation lie wished, as clearly as he could, at. IfitiDERI;AC FLOOD wished to know. whether an Hoommibie Member (Mr. Wester ,, ) intended till include Ire. to state his own general views. The greatest dif- • g ia a in Nevlew of the Agricultural Distresses? If he did not, Gculties seemed to result from the prices of varibns , . r. . 'be *add more it. as the two Commies; ough t t o go together. articles ; and more particularly so, as they regarded 1 Mit 8111.01JOHASS, in die absence of Mr. Western, said that the interests of Agriculture, in which, ;during the R Was Mr.Westerres intention to take Ireland Into his {:oaside- • • . • ration as well as England. war, they had swelled in too great a proportion.-- Mr. WitailthLEY gave notice fee the 29th instant, of a —lt should be recollected that great, alarm had b een Motion ivr a Bin to ameolUe Aet reepeedng CharoableDe• occasioned by the scarcities of 1800, and of a year nations. or two before ; and it became generally thought that A new Writ was ordered far Weobly, in the room et the Ho e.. --. • - . I • Mr. Rs:burst. our means were very inadequate to out supply. Be. Accounts Wont the leak of the Proceeding* . 1 the Commis- , sides this, our Means of supply , from foreign town- ' sinners for the Reduction of the National Deb;_were presented, tries were frequently interrupted, and xendered very Accounts of Corn and Grain Imported were also presented. difficult to procure.: We had the fear of depending Copies et the Bank Resolutions of the 15th January were upon other countries. i and the apprehensions arising pre A P etition frnm Hadtlingtenshire was received, stating the from liability to scarcity. Some powers bad wholly hardships felt by the Scotch Distilleries withheld any supply; with 'others the procuring was . Mr. BROUutfAM wished to know whether there were any, rendered so troublesome and expensive, through 'la and if so, what nesubr_r ot bridshOlSeers, now serving in the ounces and charges, as _ to prevent its com ing • armies of. Spain? to u• abundantly. Th:s induced us more and moire to tool . ; The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed, that he bad already presented a List of such °Serra • and that he did to the effects of 'our produce. Prices, however, ad. sot know that Government had received any ofheial information vanced to A disproportionate extent. A - considerabb • of any alteration, The House went through the Glass Committee. Repert to sp ur, h owever , was given to our agriculture at hiune . i • tneetuw. Last-year Parliament had interfered by a protectida --14 . 14,1teiet ev op000e tat noisy, the alatua of lbs.' , rneasuire j but thatuseasurt - Was resorted to rafter i , • . . - . • . , . . . . . . . . I. •