Star. — London, England, 1816-02-15 00:00:00

P' - rity af h a it ! he Dr , . . . . • .. . ~ • ordinary an d eitra ordinary demands of the ise t h;t he thnoght ' oast b e c ontinually making , deductions.— any ground for constitutional jea- L ' WAS not of the quesuOn. Added to all these. t/ i r s ' 3 „ rat iins, W4l this, that the Establishment of "; o 4 w as'prop.)sed after an interval of t en y ear s n t ice; an d we were now but in the first year of that I to be situation. With resp ect time in France, that sub. was not now in the least before the House, and no reference to the qnestion of the Peace -Esta went. When it should come to be considered, „ m id s peak fully on that part of the subject; and t h e w hole he most contend, that the proposed to Establishment did not exceed that which the -iimstances, the security, or the situation of the n ;:y incontrovertibly required. ;1 to Marquis of LA gSDOWNE rose and spoke ' vont! length in support of the observations of his hie Friend (Lord G.), and in animadversion of principle of much •of what had fallen from the l e Earl on the Ministerial Bench, he contended, pres ent was the time to extend that relief and di • akin of burthens to the people of this century, • they were so often promised, And which assu aaJoubtedly was a great inducement in them suppo rt those burthens so long as they did, cheer y, a nti without repining. For his part, it was the and hope for which he had afforded Ministers • 'wort in the vigorous prosecution of the war. : into some detailed remarks, the Noble Mar • peed at the great increase of military esta ut intended for Ireland, respecting the state of • country, he thought it the duty of Parliament M aguire before they sanctioned such an _immense ons e. He censured the idea of an increase of pope ., being aground for an increase of military esti sament, which was a kind of assumption that' the . p ei b l ga to, 3.44, 1447 of the, had i P ' ll , l e t (net s artitul_. ai ry , d rid ' IA!, Il i ilqi i d tro. 4 14 c 0o 11 1% Ye L hai7N TY dit m o d la/ 4, He at tht tor . st h xi lt;it 'II untrid mra South Ek of St. spo l a non was hostile. The policy of retaining so ' p ny Colonies may be as questionable as the necessity on increase of military establishment for them.. r . br no- mamas could see the necessity of so great L oamy establishment. Certainly it could not be r ya that Bonaparte was in a more formidable A te now than he was during the peace of Amiens, ' even at Elba ; and the greatly reduced power of mice, together with the nearly annihilated state of 'army, should be taken into tht account. A part ith e proposed system of finance had his approha- No especially what was done by Ministers to relieve inioney market; but the general policy of so 'estimable and improvident a peace establi s hm ent hi g bly disapproved. Lord . KING followed, and, in a short speech, ten ons! the conduct of Ministers in proposing such a weeestablishment as impolitic and improvident in See :roue. The arts of peace and cemnierce should e protected and encouraged, and every possible step tket to relieve those • oppressive Written; under a l i e h the people groaned ; they should be places: in re d r ote of peace and calm, in which a moderate itabliduaesa, joined to the advantages of their insu. it situation, would be fully adequate to insure their tostnrity and security. The Marquis of LA tiSD 0 WNE shortly explained that the approbation he had expressed of part of the financial system of measures, did ont ea te:id to what eras proposed with regard to the Property The question Was then put, and the Motion was red to by their Lord hips. Lord GRENVILLE inquired if the Nohle Earl tad say objection to have laid before the House a omit of the number of troops and the dtstriba ioa of the forces in Great Britain Oa thi4lopic a !'ortcoorerution across the table took place between is Lordship arid the Earl of LtenupooL, the result tallith was, that the desired statement would be ern, but not exactly in the proposed f The question was not put, and the House adjour n tid to-tnor: o.r. . HOUSE OF COMMONS. *MELLISH presented a Petition from the Coroners of ey. Otc. pro•iirg air increase sif reliant:ration fur taking tier, &c ' dlr. Wko 1 1 ESLEY said, he expected. within a fr.v days, hare aWaiiiar Petition to present twin nonce other e:ouirties Weenie subj.:et, and thought the player of Gila t'stitnen well .y t h e attention of the liaise. Ordered to he ref, trod to a Canaiztee. Nu ii. ADINNG rum presented the returns of all persons and cu witted for criminal offences, pursuant to the order HOJqr en a former day.—Ordered to lie On the table. *.I.USHINO i ON presented Ream 01 the Army,. Navy, • , and other establiihmeas, for each of the years from • , to 1 792.—Orders ,I to be printed. kr.GOkDONI canklained of the Order of the !louse, for i s of the progress made toward. fu,fillinj the Act of last . for a New Post UUlce, ht nu: in?, coniplied with ; and that h be Lid before she Hcsr.,-.e ft), th .vit h. 14 . 1 .116111 M.; lON said it Wouid be ready tomorrow, he oak—Motion agreed to. lit. BARING moved for an acenunt of the ex penies already ' and of those coutracted for, in the alt•rattuns pro " in Pall.Nlall, opposite Carlton House. This account cone necessary, as there appeared to be a most improvident Atilt goirig on, and wii hart being in furtherance of any :slie.az ; :f he w •re to judge i runt the circumstances of houses • erre Terire.l, alteßd and fitted up one day, and hastily down the nest.—(t! .n..))ionte iitent:on had been made INew Street, but exe.rpt the labours that were going on lal ''' of Cattail liaise, nothing was doing any ,here else to -ft the aceoprelithiursit i 4 curb a plan, and Croat the extent . 3 .it taboo' a, he Amok: inf,,r• that it was intern:orl;u ham a r a ft.a:ni out 2 Slew street, opposite Calton /Iraq:. 'ln LGSIiING, lON and Mr. kO:sk. had tio a:lea:ion to the . 31 4 b. tam:Ward ties: the works alluded to by tar Honour :Allcc,her were is execution ut tire I...rge plau to used .1. actlY .t.—Aecoutu ortlert.L t ' 4.l lEiNs Y asked the l'lolilt Lewd (Cas kreaalle)s wan `t . it's vaee, whether h e h a d :ay sild,:caun to the production 4 he ceret.p..nuiellee that might Isastv taken place between • tr•ia. - ,1 and Anurr.i : . e.pectiug the debt duo to this country' a O .? Atla, ou account in a Loan r.t...1e to that Power cony, 144CISTI.EREAGH wished to !crow whether the Right arable Gelid, mall meant the Ocivi.al CoretapoteLhatue. or . t. 'Zr ;ll,l with what Led reeJ4 , 4y Liken uses f because, if •' •• tle.:red, h e thought lie eltuad lie prepared to adduce, ''' allf tae rec.nit Correspondence osg.t not to be premed t. .ti, y , esent itto.l.etr. !„..' .I: "NEY Isle. d all the corr e sp u ndence that lad :writ •,`",••l betw een t h e two Court s oat tab. bObjt-CI : he had no a a'Y wish for .I. e pr o d uct i on o f w h at cos ant essential, ir desired, he shovel move gsueratly fur ail the Lorre anere . ' , 4. .STLEREAGIi wothd tlhe an early oppon unity of i ~ - ~... Cote all the pop-rs and would then return on answer '-'" hrrould a ,, ree t enured of the Rlght 1-1 11.N:ember. 1:4 HAY WeSt, a,i i _ 1) p accounts ot the amounts re. ", the Exchequer from the ExC fee, &c. during the last l t !ic ° ke—Ordered t,i lie OAS the table. . 4 7 4: SAST *I KE AU H leeward at the bar, by order of the „!;:, : -.C iAllt copies of conferences between the Pleippo ri of tiustria, Russia, and Great Drains, dated No '"4r„,6* I S I 5 ; Letters from Ma• shot Ney to the Duke of 1 it , . tn, arid the Duke's answer; between Ney add Sir C. " $ si till4a4ai ffefs kohl tv Sir I;tailLs Sisital ; aid. a espy of the oincidpaper retatiVe to he military occupation of pas -h.—Ordered tip be printed: . . Mr. GORTON vas desirous of !ranting. 'preparatory barite discussion whlCip would take place on Monday on the '1 reatles, what was theartate of the cemmeteial regulations of Portugal? . Last year it was said that the regulations o( a Treaty had not been carded Into execution, particularly that respecting the Oporto trade, it being then stated that such replation aid been arbitrarily. resisted. Lord CASTLEREAGII was unable at the present moment to return a satisfutory answer. The former arrangement', he believed, were in operation, with the eiception of that respecting the Oporto trade, about which there was a diffaence of opinion as to 'be construction to be put upon the art!cle regarding it—a die creme which, as yet, he thought, had not been removed. Mr. BENNET moved for a return of the supplies yawed to Spain in money, dins, &c. from 1811 to the latest period.that ' the same could be made up. Cir. TIERNEY asked whether the accounts between Spain and England had been liquidated Lord CASTLEktEAL4-1 replied, that the accounts were not wholly adjusted, bat very little remained to settle.—Motion aireed to. Mr. BROUGHAM wished to have some infor. :nation relative to the Treaty of Genoa. Amongst the signatures to that Treaty there was a blank belt opposite the word Spain, for which country there was neither seal nor signature. Lord CASTLEREAGH knew that-the Treaty mentioned was not signed by Spain. There had been a note publishe I at the time, which sufficiently eiplained the reasons of that country for not sigiliog the Treaty. Sir C. NONCE: wished to know what instructions. bad been given to Lord Colliogwood, in 18O), re specting the lonian Islands ? Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that the Honour able Baronet should recollect, that be could not lay before the House the Instructions of any military or naval Commnuder immediately-on their lyffilg for ; but if the Honourable Barouct wished t n h: in formed respecting the instructions he had ist.iitione.l, he had nu objection to their being laid betore the House as Soon as possible. Sir C. MONCIi gave notice that he thoolil to morrow move an Address up,in the subject of Lord Collingwood's instructions couitected with the Islands. Mr. BARING presented a Petition from st.num ber of Farmers and Landed Props ietors of llarlestots and its neighbourhood, in the county of Norloik, against the heavy taxation, but particularly the Pro ' perry Tax. The Honourable Member stated, that the Petitioners, without any expectation of thu ramous Peace Establishment which, it bad been scat. to the House, it was the'intention of Government to keep up, had with the greatest good sense and te speet entreated them to look at the enormous Civil List, and consider the distressed state of the country. Laid on the Table. Mr. TIERNEY wondered at every thing he had heard about economy and retiencho.ent ; not that he doubted that Government intended to retrench, bit when did they intend to bug.n ? How was tile establishateot to be regulated as regarded Public Offices There were in 11)y oiracets in a time of war f tre that were not nta:e,..ti y at all in a time of peace. It had been stated, that in other peace establi4:l - there had been a reduction in the expauditure as regarded this or that office. Offices ir. the Horse Guards, and otfer pacts of the War Dept - ta:at, 1 had been specified. Lord CAS I'LLREAGII stated, that the Go vernment had already made a guest reduction in the War Offices. bIr.TIERNEY wished that Ministers would'men tion the ollices to the House as frecpwatly as :Ley abolished them, till the system cf ter2nclonessi. h.:d been practised upon the whole list. After s•.::,e far ther observations, the Honourable Itleinb:r pro fessed his intention to move for returns of the state of Public Offices, that it might be seen how far the system of reutncl.m.it Was adhered to• HABEAS coneys. Mr. Serjcant ONSLO W rose to bring before the House a measure which had been in agitation dur- ing tile last Session : it was bur the tyoter regisl awn of the Act of Habeas Corpus ad Satisfsciendum. It was well known that three was no power of cwupel. any person to comply with the writ. of HaJseas Corpus who those to resist it. He should bring to the recollection of the .1-linise two cases in which this was evident. ' The one, the Captain of a Spanish pri. vateer who had detained a person with the intent of taking him out of the kingdom, and the other, of a young Lady who had been seduced from lier parents, and of whose person possession could scarcely be ob. tained long after the issuing of the writ. Loth cases were reported, and he siippoced were well known. The Honourable and Learned Serjeant, atter in- stancing in support of his motion the cases of Lady Fcrrers and Lady Strathmore, stated, that lord i'lardwicke and _Lott Nottingham had been of his opinion, as were ten of Vat, Judges in 1758. He con. eluded by moving, that. the first of a series of Resit. lutious which favoured the alteration of the law should be read. Tile ATTORNEY-GENERAL, after some per. tin‘nt o;rxrvations, in which he stated, that had he nhilLii to bring into the House the motion of his Honout able Friend, he should have been regarded with a great deal of jealousy, considered that it would have been much better if the Resolutions had beet; read jqo forma, and Lave moved for to bticg in tt Biil. M.. Scijeant ONSLOW did not intend to contra dict his Right lion. Frien4 and should the:dote move (or leave to bring io a &Al to amend the Ha beas Cot i us Act.—Leave given. • Mr. A t IiERCROADY believed that one of the Baronkof the Exchequer- had nominated his son to, the situation of Clerk of the Common Pleas in Ire -1 land, in defiance of the Resolution of the House in ISIO, and wished to know if the transaction had taken place with the concurrence of Government ? Mr. PEEL had been as much surprised as the Honourable Gentleman was at the affair he had men. tinned. He believed the situation was originally a grant of the Crown, at least as far back as the reign of Queen Elizabeth ; bat whether it Was . .a grant Of the Crown or of an individual, he supposed the Howe had it at their disposal. -Mr. ISROUGHAN said, it was of no Conse quence what the (Mice was, by a Resolution of the house it was to become extinct on the death of two 'prisons who were now no mope. Mr. HORNER should call the attention of the House lot a short time to a 4w4ject which he consi.: tiered of. the utmost impor:ance—the conduit of Irish Graadaries. , The Hououtable en..., rerei into a statement of, the method practised in Ireland on the finding' n; Nketted were Win generally fotrud from the d epas i t i on: e Millis crate's, Without any, or with very 14,;!e proof that such depositions w..fre true. Matey attempts had bren made to regnlite the conduct of Irish Grand .rur.es, bit they IL Id hitherto fail 4. Ile bc.:Tvecl to lie un derstood as by no m eans w i s hi ng to r: rte Rny clearge tgaingt the present Judges or Grand Juries of he-, lAnd, bin as intending to do all in his power for the benefit of that country. The lionotirable Gentle man then moved for crave to bring in a Bill tq de cl.tre the Law in Ireland relative to Grand Juries Anti' Indictment:. Mr. PE El, did not rise to oppnse the Hoenstr stile Member, but considered' that the conduct of Is ash Grand Juries was a very proper subject of inquiry-- The Right Hon. Member then contended, that for the last century the present practice of examination befere the Grand Jury was continued and recogniseel by all or most of the Judges neer presided at the dif ferent Courts. N.) notice whatever had been taken: of this practice by the House of Commons in IseLtncl,.l and in one instenee it was indirectly acknowledged by the Irish House of Peers. It would nut be just or' (sir, he s lid, to attach any blame to those who kid continued this practice as they found it. He hoped be would agree in the pi inciple of the 811 as pro posed by the linneurable Mover, when the proper time came for its disetission, but he did not thistle the present was that time. PONSONUY acid, that the Rlght Honour able Gentielnan oeposite (M:. Peel) fell into a great mistake if he imagisnet dim there was a coesmon ilw in Ireland -distinct Irene th a of England, it wAs exactly the sine is both clime-les, and ise would sAy, that any alteration of that 14w COOL! no/ take place w i thout Utz aut , rter,:tc: of tmre. It was, in fact, abso4ately necess try that the common law should be the sane in both cnentrhe in every hi st nice, an.: the acceding ,to the present mittiois would be oee import t u t step towards so desirable an object. Mr. PEEL espl tined. Sir JOHNS VSIV Alt r said , be did not see' any iteemeeeience thAuc.ould arise from the object of tee 13i11, mid when it cone befere the House he would 'give it his most seriosts consideration. . Mr. KNOX protested against any innevatinn in 'the long established customs of Irelntsd. unless a cease of aess-cute necessity was made out. H e did not see any one inconvenience which resulted from the pre sent • practice of Grand Juries in Ireland, uisd he thosight they paid as much attention to the lives and properties of those who came before them accused of any trine as the Jariea of ties country. He did not 'meets to give any opposition to the Bill, but he per fectly agreesi to the suggestion thrown not by she Rieht IlossoensUle Gentleman near him ( etre Wel), that aech a measure should be de lased mud there was a more full attendance of hish Members, and :se did 113 L see any objection to that suggestion, as the Bill, it carried into a late could not be operative. ' until aftes the a enrnaching Assizes iss Ireland. Sir S. ROMILLY stq ported the 13.11, and said the question before the littuse was, whether there should be a Grand Iffy in Ireland ur not ? that is, diet whether there should be such a Greed Jury as the law intended. For if the Grand Jury did net exercise the power which the law gave them, it was the sa me to the person whos e c ase they had to hi . spite into as if they hid no such pourer at all. It was impossible, he contended, that justice could be done in Ireland, unless the Grand Jury had the power (se examining the witnesses 'hems-Ives. It could be no f air way to take the Ceeoetions of the several wit ue.ses as they were given Leforc the Magistrete.- 7 The manner in which a winless inilst answer before one and the other was frequently different. Tne Grand Jury could know nothing of the manner in which that evidence had been given. It Was abso lutely necessary cur the ends of public justice in Ire land, that the Grand Jury should exercise this power ; fur it was known to ben. and the House would, be astonished when he would mention the vast diffssence there existed between the number of ' persons accused of capital offences in this. country And in Ireland. He wousdeneution one instance.— In the year We% the nu:uber of persons accused of murder in Ireland amounted to 258, while in Eng land, in the Same year, the number accused of that crime was only tifty-eight, and in Scotland nine ! The Housetrom this alone, and he could cite many other years in which the difference was nearly as great, would see the necessity of having such a law as would ob:ige the Grand Jury to a viva wore exlmioA lion of witnesses. This would, as it does in England, frequently discharge a man against whom a frivolous and vexatious charge had been made, for it was a vary material difference to Ore future character of a m tie to have it said, that he was acquitted by the Grand and not by the Petty Jury. It vets astonish iss:4 to peiceive the great disparity which existed be tween the number *of persons indicted amid those ac guises, its Itehead. In the >ear 1810, there had been - 237 persons .accused of aid tried for murder, and of these only IS had been convicted. From these cir cumstances the House would tee the necessity of such a Bell as that for which his Hon. and Learned Friend ( Mr. Horner) had moveci. - Sir le 1LOOi) said, he did not oppose the Bill on j the principle of it ; but he could not suffer such al report to go uncuntradicted, as that the Judges of Ireland, 211 of whom he knew to be most Oacte men, (4 lauri) —would have permitted such an abuse as that he had heard - described, if they conceived it to be so. For Isis own part he had been constantly on Grand Jurtesl e the last thirty'years, and he did not I know of such, an abuse, le therefore, the Bill was to pass, he hoped the county he had the honour to represent (Wextord), and the county of Kilkenny, would be considered as exceptions—(4 laueile) tie did not mean then to oppos: . the Bill, but he hoped it may be deferred fora farther :trui better opportunity. Mr. COURTENAY supported the expedielicy of the Bill. Dr. IYUIGENAN said a few words on the Bill, but did not oppose it. Mr. HORNER, in reply, defended the arguments he had used en support of the Bill. He said that he had been accused ot precipitancy, in the present tneasure.. but it would be recollected that he had urought it forward last Session, and had only put it off at the instance of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Peel). He was as anxious to have ,he attendance ot the Irish Members as any of the Gentleittin opposite ; and theretpre, if the House Arai alifibkll .1 save bun leave to bring in the Bill, he woqld post, its progrew until those Members theist! have sofficievst ti.i to coma. , T.ie tittesti is: was then put, and tem *al givett to bring to the WI. • darts ; ESTIMATM In a Committee di S•ipply, Sir G. WAIZR7.N. DER stated the estimates necessary tot the Naeal Establishmentof the country during the peace. He trusted he shouli ahle to satisfy the 11.nise, that every attention had 'oeen paid to economy, tonsiste!.t with the safety oftlie c•luntry. The i•eace est i:dish. ment must depend on v4rious ciretirnstanses, out of coT . Lnerce. In respect t!ien to f , Teii;:i f•ta tions —ln. Ira East Lieies titere would be no tion. The Cape stariflr, wh•cl is a new one, an d connected with St.lie:ena, .1 as the Mauritius, wottid call for a very conti?. Table nnmber of atm; according to the o= salon of the distinguished Admiril commanding en th tt station: 1 I ships would there. fore be emrlayed. to t'le bie,ditemine:4n there would be a 71. gun s3,i sulvtituted for a5O gen. A small squadron beatationedlor the protection of the growing trade in South America and the & A udi. the mer..thants hari:ig applied to the Admiralty 'for it. This was a!so a new station. In the JaMaka and Leeward Isla:lds a unali reduction of the naval strength would t..ke place. One frigate would be stationed on rise Nor Lit Americen coast, Ovid on the African Coe same sqoadren as in the last peace.— With resp..ct to our'ilome station, there Would be nine small vest , is, is addition, for the porpose of protec ting the revenue against - smuggl-rz. Circnmstances would call for a larJ.T. mother of men to mau these vessel;, which, in pint of size, f,iid been increased from 28 and Stem frigates to 36 and 33. It was also intended to retain the 4th division of marines, which, w;th the increased complement of seamen, would make a total iiierease of men of 5000. This nt.'s owing to the great increase and growing prosr, rity of our foreign trade. It was under Stood that the permanent Pace Establishment was to be 23,000, which number was less than at the close of an♦ . pre ceding war. • The vote 'ALA however, he should now call for, was 53,000, Isom the circminstances he had jest stated. He had to claim credit of chi! House for the Board of Admiralty, be the rapidity with which -the ships had been paid . off, and also wish which the peace slips had been manned, the num!).-r wanting to complete them being only 4910. "I. 4 im number of ship m tuned' were two 50 guns,. 14 tri. gates, and 27 sloops. The Honourable Baronet then noved—e• That 33,000 sea Men, inchding 9000 royal marines, be granted fur toe service-of the year.° Mr. PONSONBY would not object to the vote of thirty-three thousand, taking the necessity for tins number on the responsibilil of the Governmeot.— He could not avoid observing. on the call for twenty. three thousand as a Frmarent Pea:e E.aablishmenr. Tbc regular number in lirtuer was was sixteen thou. sand or eighteen thousand. There was no fear of attack. We were cliff - Am ly si!:Lsted at the close isf the American Wiar. whe.: the combined fleets of the eswtny rode ttinrepant, and compelled the British fleet to seek s' ester in our harbours. France, at that time, had as tnany ships as Great Britain--united with Sp.lin, tante. It eighteen thousand men were enoagh, why vote twenty-titreaathouiand now.. Thy,' was no aopearance of a formidable navy. The whole of the Powers, if they were to be united, could not produce tweaty-five s,sl of the line. There was no clanger even !rum America. The Right Honourable Gentleman suggested the necessity of making some addition to the pay of Nay.tl Officers, instead of keg). ingup so.larke an establidirtsent. Mr. LAW differed with the Right Hon. flentle-. man as to the danger from America. The Navy of that Power had returned to port in triumph from si limeing the pirates of Bat bury, and were ready to act against England. Let Gesal4men look to the proceed ings at the American Cangiess, and the maritime situation of France, when Napoleon was hurled from the Throne. France had at least SO sail of the line What. The nations Of Enrope were jealous of the maritime sopenotity of this coutary: Europe and Ames ica united might vas!) our maritime strength. —He withed to know why the Vote, instead of being so low, was not as large as in 1783:' Ide c'sarged the Hoaourable Baronet with paying off the fleet in too rapid and inconsiderate a manner ; two thousand men were paid off in one day, in one port; that rapidity led t- the disturbances in the North. Sir G. WARREN'DE[t denied that there had been an instance of insubotdination in any of the ports.—(Hear, /star.) Mr. ROSE stated, that he was at Portsmouth during the disturbances at Shields, and the ship which was to carry our Minister to America could not get Mr. PONSONBY deprecated the making of ob servations in the House of C.,iintoons, tending to irri tate At•.terica. Such speeches as that of the Right Hon. Gentletnan (Mr. Law) was likely to inflame the people of that country. He (Mr. Ponsonby) .treaded much the hostile spit it in either country. k was the interest of both to be friendly. (Hear, hear.) No two notions had suffered so much. Lord CAS TLEREAGH also deprecated strong ohservarions in respect to America, when national in -1 ter.:st ought to bind the countries together. He wish ed to disceuraft the prejudices of both, and prevent the recurrence of those anim There was nothing to be collected from the intercourse with A:nerica which should p.e.? eny expectation of un- • I I: ier!dly wishes. I Mr. FORBES lamented the small remuneration lof Officers in the Navy on half-pay. They asked for dread, and we gave them a stone! In erecting a I*monument to commtinorate their services, Parlia m-ut had paid st tribute to their fame; and he hoped ev e ry ()like?, in passing by, would see his name or his deeds recorded for the notice of posterity. The poor Officer might, however, very well say, " This is all very well ; but it is a poor consolation to see a monument Without a shilling in my pocket." He telt also surprized that Of in that House had not stood forward in expressing their sentiments in favour of their companions in arms. He contended that the Navy and Army should be on an equality. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER maintained that the Navy half-pay officers had been placed on a similar footing with their gallant com panions in arms of the army. But this subject would Won come before the House in a proper shape. Sir J. YO KKE said, the Honourabk Gentleman (Mr. Forbes) had statad t that whenever any propo. 's S •