Star. — London, England, 1811-03-09 00:00:00

1 a • pan a!ments ma the motion of Earl BATIIIJit.ST.— lo be reported on Mu4day. The Population Bill passed through a Commitcee,with Amend roents.—R epor on Monday. • in a Committee of Prlvilves, Counsel and evidence were fur ther beard in the case of the Berkeley ,Peerage. To proceed again on Moot Ly. • The House resume d. After prayers were read, • THE IZOTAL ASSENT Was given by Commission, in preecisely the same forth and words (save the introduction of his Royal Highness the Prince Regent's name, on the behalf and in the same of his Majesty) as in former Commissions, to the Malt Duty Bill, the two Each.., quer Bills, and the Irish Treasury Bills Bills; to the East Gtia stead Church, and to two other Bills of a local destApiion. *I he Lords Commissioners on tht: ;;;,5..-trm'were—tho Loan CNA NCELLOit, Earl C!l7 , ;mist, and Lord hisitoaays. • * After 11 ' 6 _ 1 ; Lurrtships had unrobed, ta, Sll4ll conversation took place between the Earl Of Guist:Toe and the LORD CHANCELLOR, in conse quence of the former Peer's remarking on the circum stance- of the Irish, Peers being designated in the Com wission by their inferior British titles, while some of . those of Scotland were mentioned by their superior gcots titles. This the Noble and Learned Lord al. lowed to be a very fair and proper remark, but ob• serve that such was the general course and tenor of t the m;ssions, (jut of which it could not regularly be pi , until his Majesty or the Prince Regent should come down. in person to Parliament. LORD CLONCURRY'S DiVORCZ BILL. Mr. DALLAS appeared again as Counsel for Lord Cloncurry. The LORD CHANCELLOR observed, that no evidence had been given of the legality of the mar riage. He did not mean to suggest a doubt of its validity, but the rule of the House required, in cases ot Divorce Bills, that ; here it was a foreign marriage, (:u this case at Rome) evidence should be given that it was a legal marriage, either according to the law cf the place where it was solemnized, or the law of this country, as the circumstances of the case might hattpen to be. • The Earl of MOIRA observed, that 'the doubts I now riggested were of considerable importance, and conniving that this.case ought.not.to be decided-with t a view to itself alone, but to the probable consequences ifvother 'cases of their decision, he thought that fur- Vier time ought to be given for coniideration, and tliereforemoved to postpone the further consideration of the Bill till the first Friday after the Easter' recess. .--Ordered.—Adjourned till Monday. I 1 and the SPEAKER, die secontrreadlng was °Mere sees sys to be prepared tor 7 .• item ..,.... i —_ for Monday rime . .e s .. wee • e inner& • i' '. ' , kited 'ow us again, es we had so lately witnessed, On the 'motion of Mr. FOSTER the e liouse re- 'andoill trembled•at the remembrancrof, how would. ' solved itaslf into a Committee of the whole"Wonse,to "the Han. Gentleman satisfy the cravings of 'the na- . take into consideration amain Acts of the Parliament eon ? 'would they aocept ,the imported sugar to sus: 1 ollreland. tale them, instead of snbstatttial barley I The pub- In the Committee Mr. Foster moved his first Re. lie would then have with one voice exclaimed, how solution—" That application be made for leave to : much more beneficial for us would it have been to bring in a Bill to contittie, for a time to he limited, I have cultivated our lands, to have reared and non the Acts of the Parliament of Ireland, relative to the' rished our crops, instead of -venturing on trade, and duty on Coal imported into the harbour of Dublin." for a few of the luxuries of life have sacrificed the ne • Mr. • CURWEN inquired whether these duties cessaries !—Such would undoubtedly be the cry of .were intended to be continued, after the object had the people, were events like the past to happen again. been affected for which they were originally appro. —But, supposing that no famine should ever ap priated-? proach our shores, would it not be more suitab le to Mr. FOSTER answered, that the duties were , the genius and the inclination of the peopleto h ave t h e • *mortgaged for a very large deist; and he could not I waste lands ably cultivated , and the whole mean s of speak with certainty as to the time ot its liquidation. ! subsistence produced within our island. Were su ch The Resolution was then agreed to. la measure to be resorted to, he was sure that the Mr. FOSTER then moved his second Resolution I -morals and the native vigour of the people ,would " That application be' made fur leave to bring in a ihe strengthened and invigorated. Another . thing , Bill to continue, for a time to limited, certain Acts even to throw morality and good constitutions out of the Irish Parliament, relative to the widening 'of iof the question, would not the culture of the waste several streets, lanes, &c. in the City of Dublin."— lands pay equally as well at the manufacturers? Agreed•to. le He was convinced it Would, therefore, in the Mr. FOSTER next moved,—" That application . county ' of Lancaster; for instance, were all the be made for leave to bring in a Bill to renew the Acts'' lands which the manufacturing houses occupy well of the *7th and 49th of hit Majesty, for regulating i manureds they Would • be equal to the velue• ' the drawbacks and bounties on sugars imported into of five pounds an acre,-and wattle be - rented at Ireland—and the warehousing of spirits imported that high. price with the utile:sit alacrity. At that from the British Colonies."—Agreed to. • rent the .county produce would be two millions ster- The House having resumed, the Report was I ling, and -he was assured that the produce of menu agreed to—and leave was given to bring in the Bills. ; factufes did not at this moment exceed the agricultu. 1 ' THE DISTILLERIzs. • Ira; estimate which lie had mades • The preseet mo. The CHANCELLOR+ of the EXCHEQUER tion had been brought forward at a time when our . moved the Order for goißet into a Committee on the trade was much obstructed, and it might be expected Acts respecting the Distilleries of Great Britain. , that employ .would be found fire colonial produce In the Committee— . from the measure. -But the Honourable Gentleman's The Right Honourable Gentleman observed, that t ears had been assailed with the repeated complaints having the other day explained, as.he trusted, to the' of the trades, and by those who are interested in the .. 1 satisfaction of' the House, the principles upon which furtherance o f - m anufactures. Now, it has been r ho was desirous of placing the duties derived to the. known, that the merchants and manufacturers have 'Revenue from the distillation of spirits from grain or ,:always kept firm together ; they knew each other's sugar, he should now state the reasons which induced i interests depended on the union of the whole: they bint to bring under the consideration of Parliament traded as one body and they complained .as one, *an attem p t to equalize the competition in bringing to while the laasied proprietors and the farmers were market either of those commodities. It appeared to never known to coalesce, nor act as a compacted him, that, in attempting to introduce the measure body far their general prosperity. But should the which he was about to notice, he should afford equal 'present proposition be carried, the landed proprietors ineucemecit to the manufacturers of both.articles to and farmers would undoubtedly bind themselves into bring them to market. The measure would not be such an union as the necessity of the occasion requir of long continuance, though he entertained a hope ed, and then they would find it perhaps expedient . that it might be permanent. At present, however, it to make an appeal against it. He would only wish was not his intention that the extension bf the time of the Honourable Gentleman to look into the morals its operation should be beyond the period of two of the people, how they had been abused and per. HOUSE OF COMMONS. i years. The Right Honourable Gentleman then sta- vert e d b y drinkin g of li q uor. In q uire at the Magis . The Deputy Usher of the Black Rod abohnoned this House to ted, that former Acts on this subject had in their pro. trates, and they would inform him of the sad effects the House ,of Peers to hear the Royal Assent, by Commission, I . .' to ceveral eine On the return of the Members, the Speaker 1 visions given to ones pecies of commodity a decided which such indulgence had produced on the morals acquainted the House, tliar the Royal Assent had been given to 1 preference over the other, so that the distiller was in- and on the naturally firm constitutions of the people! , the Malt Dare Bill, the p ens i on Duty Bill, t h e T en mie ns and I duced to select that for his use which would afford Our streets were often filled with drunkenness, and the a Halt, and the One Million and a Half Exidiequer Bills, and to him the most decided profit. By.the operation of the natural affections of manhood were debased and for. some other Bills. • • The Sheriffs of the City of London presented at the Bar three present measure, that preference would be avoided, gotten. You would see that by the bars which were • . p e w ee teen the Corporation; one against Oa Bill for erecting and to chew that the competition and equalization lately thrown in against the distillation from barley, 4 Bridge over the Thames at Queen-street, and another against I would be f a i r , he entered into a minute detail of the the culture was neglected, and ui consequence that the Grant Junction Canal Bill. !duties arising from the distilleries, and, upon a corn- wholesome beverage, beer, was almost banished from The Royal Marine Bill was ordered to be committed on onday... • • • I parison with the distillation from sugar and from the poor man's tab le, and li q uor, its wretched substi- M Mr. D. GIDDY moved the second reading of the Bill for pro- ; grain, he was convinced that the consumer would have cute, used instead of it. This diminished the vigour long's: the patent granted to Mr. Earber r for his invention in the 1 the article distilled at the same price. In the event o of population, and sapped at the foundation of our 'Weems 't rade. I the distillation going on from grain, there would be C onstitution, which were the riches, he might say, The Bill was opposed by Mr. H. Martin, lVfe: Sumner, Str R. no mole increase of duty to the Revenue than at pre- dearer than aught which trade could purchase. He reel, Mr. Curwen,, and Mr. Shaw Lefevte, and supported by Sir Thomas 'Torton i Sir lames Pulteney, and Mr. J. Smith. sent from the use of su gar, before 'the suspension of could not convey to the H onourable House the whole The. House divided on the question :—Ayes 59—Noes 43. the distillation from the former article was put in range of the importance of agriculture ; but he was ' BRITISH OFFICERS. force. The considerations, therefore, for the House assured, were we to trust less to colonial produce and General GASCOYNE asked whether his Majesty's to attend to we r es--whether the price of the article riches, and instead-of measuring distant and inhosei- Governmeto intended to Make any allowance to Oft. sold would, in consequence of the proposed competi. table seas, toimerovethewaste lanes , and inakeßritein 1 cers of the British Army, because if no such intention I t i on , b e so hie s as to endanger the Revenue ? and of like to a garden, would lift us to a height hithertoun. were manifested, he 'should give notice of a Motion i this the House had the expe rience of last y ear to the known, and we would be strong, healthy, and con forltaking their situation into consideration, and fix ' contrary. The next considerat io n was, whether the ten t ed. In the moving of such a motion a.; the pre the day for discussing , the Motion? rates of duty were such ,as would bring fairly into sent, it would certainly be necessary to give at least • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER the market the two articles of competition, so that some security to the farmers for the crop which they was not aware of any such intention. both might be kept at a price su ffi ciently high to re- had entrusted to the bosom of the g round being g iven year,- it nad been stated . that an allowance would be s measure. The d u ties o n gr ain were at the time of to the distilling from sugar, the infection would spread granted by Parliament to British Officers, to support the suspension we ,061,817, an d now they ar e upwards to Scotland too, and a general, laxity of agriculture i their messes; and as that sum had not been issued,lof £380,000 more. So that. the increase had been would be the consequence. . There was a seventh he should think it necessary to inq uire whether such i very great since the suspension. The Right Hon. of the animal food which w a s consumed in the allowance had been made ? and for that purpose i Gentleman declared, that a s trong inducement in his 'whole island used . in London;-much of that was i on Tuesday the 9.(ith inst. he would move for a Corn- i mind for bringing the measure forward, was, that fed from the offal. and dregs of the distillation, and mittee to inquire into the present Pay of Officers of there would be no increase to the consumer in the therefore the present measure will make an experi- the British Army, i price. He then moved a Resolution, e That the pre. ment perhaps detrimental to the sustenance of the ! - teach FINANCES. sent duties on the distillation of spirits from.wash do inhabitants. The consequence ought to be maturely Sir JOHNNEWPORT gave notice that he should, cease and determine," &c. • . considered ; but it has been said, are we not to assist . on Wednesday se'nnight, move for a Committee to On the question being put from the Chair, . the colonies-which we have ourselves established ? take into consideration' that, part of the Prince Re- Mr. CURWEN rose and said it was utterly int- Certainly assistehem, but not to the detriment of our gent's Speech which relates to the Finance of Ireland. possible ' to attain the object described by the Right prosperity at home ; let us rather purchase the sugar . • slionEflAM Ib:CLOSURE SILL • Hon. Gentleman from the plan he had suggested. So from the Colonies and cast it into the sea before we Sir EDWARD KNATCHBULL moves the 2d far would the agricultu'ri'st be from reaping any bane- injure the agricultural welfare of the kingdom. But 1 reading of the above Bill, • • * fit from the plan, and so far would the two articles of it has ever been the providence of Parliament to ne - : • Sir JOHN NEWPORT opposed the motion. He ! consumption, sugar and corn, be from being on the glect the cultivation at home, for the desire we had to' understood some opposition would be given to the ; same footing, that the very reverse would be the case, improve and multiply our foreign possessions, so ' Bill, in which case it would delay the important'eubel The quantities of sugar, it was well known, could not much so, that there had not been An act but one pass lic business before the House. I vary, whereas in barley the quality must be always va- ed for .100 years for the encouragement of agricultu- The SPEAKER stated, that, if any discussionirying ; it would sometimes yield more wash than at ral prosperity. In spite of all the hardships underi ' was expeCted on the Bill, as it was of a private na - ! others; according to the nature of the s o il on which it which the nation had stru gg led, our annual produce Lure, it W - as then too late to bring it forward. He •i had grown. It is clear, therefore, the distillers would has increased four mill i ons , and were p ro p er incite- then inquirede,whether there was any private business ' invariably choose that commodity, in the manufac. . meats held out to cultivati o n , i t mi g ht soon increases ) which would not occasion • any discussion? • -- , el -cure of which there was the greatest certainty of pro- to four times that sum. As an instance of the little 111 Sir EDWARD KNATCHBULL said , if the fit. The flavour of the sugar sp iri t was also much re p ute in which g rain cro p was held hy the farmers Hon. Baronet 'persisted in his opposition, he must, of more palatable than that which was distilled from in general, he needed only to direct the eyes of some course, withdraw his Motion, but he trusted the Hon. corn, and it would consequently have the preference. of the Members of the Honourable House to the ins- Baronet would not persevere. —Th e Hon. Gentleman next observed, that were the mense fields of green winter crop turnips,' ice. which I Mr. FULLER said, the Hon. Baronet might take encouragement greater to distillation from sugar than they would find in every county.. Had grain pro the sense of the House on the question. from barley, the consequence would be, that the cull duced equal to these green crops, they would not have Mr: CU RWEN thought;that as-there was a great cure of barley would be neglected, and the country been substituted, but the prices of grain did not re deal ot public business before the House, the second injured by the loss of their food more than they would ward the industry of the farmer. ,He hoped that the reading had better be deferred. . ot learn, I 'said that the Bill had been. 44 ; smuggled" , into the , London alone on the dregs and offal of b • be helped by the liquor that would - substitute it.— HonourableHousevroulanot give wa y to ex p eriments An Ron. Member, whose name we could n 'There were upwards of 40,000 head of cattle fed in and speculations tending to make t he farmer suspici sewing ; our that he was tilling in vain. He therefore consi ' House—he trusted a day would be appointed for the i therefore, where would the Hon. Gentleman find a 'dered it as the general interest to enicken and pro . sec , ond teading, to prevent .its being "smuggled"substitute for the food which these cattle required ? mote the interest of the country, and o n such a mo through the House. Were they to resort to straw, the expence would be ticn as the present he 'hoped that the House would The SPC...I.KE.R observed, it s hould, as was cus- . much greater ; and straw could not be procured when join him in the rejection of it ; and he declared his emery where private Bills were opposed, be made the impulse for the cultivation of grain ceased to ope. utter disapprobation of the motion as an individual. 4: en Order of the Day —the parties might name a day , rate : but on a calculation which he had made, of Mr. ROSE said, that the Honourable Gentleman post agreeable to Ciereecleess . I feeding cattle with straw instead of the dregs of die- had stated the price of barley at so high a value, that ' Btr E.D WARD KNATCHBULL d en i e d that I talcries, lie had found that it would increase butchers' ' it would put it out of the reach of distilling from it any intention of smogiiing use Bill through the' meat one halfpendy in the pound weight. Such in- at all ; that the motion of the Chancellor oartended i House existed: He thought the second reeding might cre as e, in a c ity which consumed so much animal to give the distiller a choice of either sugar or barley ~ be moved on Monday. r food, would be severely felt by all the *labouring —for they were proposed to be brought to as near a ' Mr. SW/I'i: thought that, in 'appointing a day, the daises.. The price of barley, at the present moment, footing of equality as possible. The Honourable '.. convenience of all parties should be studied—he in- hardly sufficed to remunerre the cultivator, and how Gentleman answered the arguments of Mr. Curwen tended to deliv.r his sentiments on the Bill, but Mon- ' must it be when discouraged, and other produce plish- at considerable length ;he contended that the motion, sky . would be extremely inconvenient to him ;he'ed on the public in its stead ? How does the Hon. so far from Inking agriculture, tended to promote it fished Wednesday to be substituted. l i ' ! Gentleman propose to meet those years of scarcity —that the liquor distilled from sugar was not prized Alter a few words from Sit E. KNATCHBULLwhich experience has dearly taught us is expect, and by the pulilie equal to that distilled from grain, aid - . • , ._ ~,..• 111 ,1 7. • e „PARLIAMENT4R7 PROCEEDING3'. HOIJSE Of' LORDS, MARCH 9. - • . Lespetten's.Drenrcs B it Was read a first tune. Thais. i s dVdsbps resolved into a Committee on the British Re- rulation Account Bill; when some verbal Ansendmegyi were 5 S 4 t. A that the sugar distilling could never injure the usage of barley. Mr. Arthur Young, when consulted o the average price of barley-, estimated it at 3Ss. per quarter, and the present motion snowed it to be ust.d below Sts. per quarter alone. He would the present motion since he considered it as not tet,l ing to hurt agriculture, and at the Lune time prora J . ting the trade of their colonies, and-quickening pubiaz prosperity. Mr. CURWEN replied, there were at present no purchasers of barley for the purpose of distilling, an d that statement would answer one °ldol arguments of the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Rose). A gentle. man had informed him, and on whose knowledge ani veracity he could depend, that the spirits distilled from sugar were of a much more delicious flavour, and more tempting to the purchaser than those brought from malt. Mr. CHARLES ELLIS said, he supported the present ITIGLION as it afforded relief to the over. stocked colonies of the West Indies. Yle hail listened. very attentively to the arguments and statements sn both sides of the House, and he was pretty well con vinced that the-shad been no distinct nor perspicuous statement of the distillation from sugar and Irons barley made by anrof the Hon. Gen.:le:nen, and Le he was inclined to think that no person in the House I had information on that intricate subject equal to u:3 task. int - by what had•been stated in the motirm, he was assured that the sale of barley would be lit:le injured in proportion to what the Hon. Gentlenua (Mr. Curwen) had supposed. The inference which • the Hon. Gentleman had drawn from supposing thn.: • all sugars were of equal value and quality was quite incorrect. because nothing .was more notorious thaa that sugars varied mere. in their richness thm aey other commodity. The cultivation of sugar bad not that profit with it which barley frequently had, for its price was almost equal to 'fixed, whereas barley frequently on a sudden rise filled the pockets of the firmer ; an acquisition in which the poor planter could have little prospect from the stability of 1 - ,s market-prices. Ad that he could wish was, that the colonies sliould have an equal chance of profit, by a fair competition with the farmers of the mother-coun try.—The present motion was equal to that, as such it bad his hearty support. . Sir JOHN SEBRIGHT would oppose any thing which tended to be injurious to agriculture, now when. we had the whole ports of the Continent shut against supplying us. He concluded by supporting Mr. Curwen. Mr. BURROWS.eontended that the landed inte rests, so far from being neglected, as the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Curwen) had stated, had, on the contrary, been much indulged, and. had felt none Of ' those heavy distresses which had troubled the Colonies, •The great distresses to which the country has been reduced first commenced in the Colonies, and they- had suffered hardships and disorders in their trade for years before it reached the mother-country. Those Gentlemen of the landed interest were then tranquilly filling their pockets, and disposing of their fields at high and increasing rents. Could the Honourable Gentleman say that agriculture was neglected for tisi sake of the Colonies ? He contended against the se veral argnments used by Mr. Curwen on the subject of the different qualities of sugar; the occasion was, that the colonists were not even allowed to prepare their own produce for the market. It is brought raw to Britain, and boiled and dressed lip for sale by persons ignorant of the mode of preparation, and much of it is lost and more injured. Many had been cheated with sugar spirits for those of barley, which evinced there could be little difference in their flavour or appearance, so he deemed there would: be a fair rivalship between the two cOmmodities. He concluded it to be extremely fair that the landed interest which had enjoyed an unrivalled market 60 long, should al low their fellow countrymen an equal chance of par ticipating in the profits arising train public favour.— He was surprised when those Gentlemen who had on a former occasion lifted up their voices against mono poly, now considering it as fair and of good estima tion. He heartily concurred with the present motion, since it would contrive to relieve the ccilonia, without injuring ourselves. Sir JOHN SEBRIGHT again rose.. He misted the notion of monopoly in corn. Such monopoly, however, was far from prejudicial, the monopolists buying up corn when cheap, in order to enab.e the farmer to procure the fair prices for grain. Mr. Bun/tows and Mr. CUaWEN explained. Mr. DAVIS GIDDY declared, that She thought the interests of landholders were separated.from those of the community he would oppose the measure now pending, since no man felt more adverse to any species of monopoly than he felt. The necetsity for our importing of corn was acknowledged ; in this dilemma it became them to weigh well the worth of taking measures to increase the growth of corn within the country, even if thia•visere done at more 1 eapence, in the first instanee, than. attended its ins. t portation. Imagine the direful event of this country becoming . a dependency of Franey. however improba ble that disaster, and what, he would ask, could lay Us sooneratihe feet of France thin the circumstance ; of Our being compelled to resiatt yo her for sum. trance? If apy Gentleman wished do to lean on foreign couneiriesp.sibeir patriotism was - rather suspicious.— (Hear.) —Distilleries had encouraged agriculture, al though he was trot displeased that the Right Ho . nourable Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Le -chequer), was about to lay an additional duty on them—unfavourable as their produce was to the health and morals of the community. It was a ques tion of policy, whether the duties on malt should be increased. As to any combination amongst the growers of corn, the very supposition of it was ground less ; the growers of barley were too scattered to be capable of it. That the wash of sugar was better than that o( grain he knew ; and that the West Indian. Proprietors were entitled to great consideration, he Iwas also willing to acknowledge ; yet , for the ben efit -of the country at hang ~ it was manifestly desirable 1 that a kreaterquantity of gr.tin should be producedin it. Mr. FOSTER was clearly convinced that distill thin ought to be encouraged ; the frequent prolubi : ti on tarn of distillation from grain had, however, made it altogether precarious, while the measure now pro posed was intended to remedy this latter evil. It F might be advisable to extend the prohibition of grain from 555..t0 38s. and, after this, allow our colonial produce to come in fair competition with that ‘ , I the former. di , •e • s• p it 141 1 M a I 11 v 0 1