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VIcttIALLIWG OFPICS, y a nuaryl7,lBo7. THE CO Ilf 111SSIONER.S for. VICT U.eiLLING HIS If ~ ! '7%..'STY'., NA ee, ,1. , hereby give Alike, - That on Tutray the rrth of February next. they will be ready to rective Tcndrr• writing (reale] . vn,ltrett TWO HUNDRED TONS OF MU,SCrWADO SUGAR; To he anfwerabh. to famples to he produced with the Tenders ; to be fklivcrol in the origina! Packages, at the rate or fromtorty to Fifty Tens per sveA, into the Vietullling Stores st Deptford ; and tor THREE HUNDRED RAGS of KENTISH HOPS of the gro wth of the year iSc6 ; to ht, anfwerahle to Sarplef, to be pro doted with the Tenders, and to be delivered soo P-rt is a fortnight, by weekly propootions, into the Stores a*- Deptford ; 100 Ditto, in a month, into the Storea, at Porfmouth ; and In.) Ditto Ditto Ditto, at Plymouth ; and The whole to be paid for by bills, payable with interdt ninety days after date. The Conditions of the C,ntrad may be Peen at the Secretary's Office. eceard trill be lad tc (my Ten kr in Trbicb obfirk eibatt woe 6 e inierted in vt.ord, at lengtb,or that t.. 11 aa 6. de!rocred to die Board 6r fore OR. oa the fafd Tue . ", ev loth nf FeLruJr) next, nor milli the Perim vao "'abet the 'reader, or jinni Perim, oa Its 6e6alf,attrods to as/ever totem called for. PARLI.I.IIEivTARr PROCEenING3. 110 USE OF COMMONS, FRIDAY, JANUARY 23. SECOND DEBATE ON THE ARMY ESTIMATES. SUMMARY OF THP CONCLUDING PART OF THR DEBATE. Sir JAMES PULTENEY and Sir JOti!sl DOYLE de livered their fentiments at fume length ; the former azainft vie new Military Sytlem, the latter in favour of ir. Mr. JONES, Lord BLANE it, and Colonel MA-rums each laid a few words ; the firlt of whom !laced, that *rice theft meafurts had been abed upon, an increafed number of recruits, and thole of an incomparably better defcription, had enlifted into the regiment to which he belonged. Mr. JOHNSTONE laid, that he fliould not fol-1 low the example of the lion. Baronet, (Sir John Doyle) by exhibiting to the Houfe the contents of his common-place book, nor on the applaufe which he had indifcriminately bellowed on Hotelmen of all defctiptions. He heartily congratulated his Hon. Friends who fat oppofite to him (Meters. Bathurst and H. Addington), on the juflice which was at length done to the military meafures of their Noble Relation (Lord Sidmeuth), and particularly by the Noble Lord, and the Right Hon. Gentlemen (Lord Howiek and Mr. Windham) during the former de hate on this fohjeal ; meafures which had fo largely adder'• to the military ftrength of the country, and in the panegyric bellowed, in which he entirely con caned. He proceeded to examine in detail the elli• mates laid on the table by the Secretary at War, and Rated at fume length his ohjeetions to the whole of l'alr.Windham's Military Syllem. He did not think that any fatisfaelory anfwer had been iven to the cal. culations and fiatements made by a Noble Lord near him (Lord Cafflereagh), on a former night. By thole it had appeared, that above 30,0c0 men had been railed diming the twenty months of the late Adminifiration, whilft the amount of thefe railed, fince they went out of eS.ice, could not be faid to exceed io,cco, fo that it might truly be laid that the prefent Government had done little or nothing for the country. He adverted to Lord Howick's having been, when fitting on the other fide of the Houle, one of the foremost to propofe examinati ns into lavifh expenditure of public money, and complained that he was not now lo fond of the produCtion of Public Papers as he tiled to be. He noticed the unneceleary expence in the Office of Muller Mailer General in Leland, and the increafe of falary attached to that of Judge Advocate in England, paying at the fame tiu.e fome high compliments to the individual who held ir. He concluded with complaining that there were not fuilicient documents before the HO Life to admit of his arguing the fubjea more fully. Mr. ROSE entered into fome long calculations to prove the encreafed expence that would attach to the prefent fyfiem, which he faid would fall little (bort of 703,0001. a year. He (fated tie pains which he had taken, when Joint Paymaster, to ellahlifh the clothing of the Veteran Battalions at a reduced ex • peace; that he had received a pattern which he had lubmitted to the examination of the Clothing Board, who returned it as approved, and alfo to Mr. Dickie, the former ContraClor, and another refeeflahle array clothier, who had admitted they could not furnifh the fame artieles at the fame price. He blamed Lord Tempi., who lucceeded him, and whom he was f irry not to fee in his place, for having ta kat: this contract from Mr. Courtney, the perfon who had fupplied hint with the pattern referred to, and whofrad been Ilron , a e' - ly recommended to him by Mr. Davifon, r I St. Tarnes'ifquare, and relloted it, on the feriner ternic, .• to Mr. Box, now the paltrier of Mr. Dickie. He co.'. demned in tcto Mr. Windharn's militery plan ; and toe c neina of Government ir, neealeNinre in lend re inforceno.nts to Buenos Ayres ; and deoLd the dif• hculty of finding tranfports tor that f.rvice. Mt. H. THORNTON was c xi! eneely aaeinits to es:liver his opinion r,n this recall-to It was a duty that he owed to his cr nititeetos ; it was one that he owed to the country at large. When the new miii tary fyilem was hiro:ilir forward in the 'aft Parlia mem, he had given .t hi:, decided inpport, from a fob conviction that it was calcula: ed, in the cootie of time, completely to anfe'er the ohjerl intended by it ; that of proem: ing, by means the molt unexceptionable, a large increafe to the regular force t ; the cc ::try. He applauded the new plan el entitling tried for limited fervice, no lets on moral than on political g:onnds : he approved of the Tr wining Bid, inafrnuelt as through its progreilive operation the whets effi cictit male population of the country would be made ferviceable in the defence of the country, in cafe of tenewed d. nycr. Till, however, there meafures were bienght to a hate of more maturity and per. fe:lion, l.e llrongly recommended to Minitters to adept fame auxiliary means of providing for our Itreugth acrd fatty• The Volimteers ought to he kept up, arid their discipline properly attended to ; and Reps taken ta provi,:e iith.:r corps which might be railed in a thou time. Perhaps at Come future period a mare lubliantive reliance might be placed on the operation of the two me:the:es to which ht: load helot e idverted. lie entirely a:lreed with thole Gentle:Lea co boo: !;des of the llatel.who planded the military ertr.ltro,of Mr. Addington's i Administration„to which he had given his cordial I fupport till a th'trt time hefore ire dilfolurion. He; had then been lett to believe that fill more might be clone; 'Mr. Pitt had Ed I'Ver for hi, fitpport by his' Additi , nal Force Bill, which recommended iifelf by its engagement to provide, at an eat ly period, a large addition to . our exittirg force, and to eitablith a. fy Rem tar its pet manent fiipport. This hope had been ray:Ta3/y difappointed: themeaftre had totally failed, and he himfelf, had felt it to be his duty to vote for its repeal. He fooke of Mr. Addin?ton's Army or I Ittt.f.:rve Bill as a rozafure of unexampled vigour and ; ellieiency ; and laid, that experience had taught him bow much more fueeefsful the military me:-.lure; f that Minifler were than thofe of his fucceffot s.— He had himielf indeed, contttbuted to the removal of his Government by the vote which he had given, but it was given under an impreilion which fubfoquent events had proved was fallacious and delofive. Sir ROBERT WILLIAMS politively dented that the new military meafures had affeaed the volunteer fyftem. He commanded a coaiderable corps himfell. The expence of the Juneallowances was immenfe, and the original pay of the Drill Serjeants extravagant, and it was right to reduce them. The Infpeeing Field Officers were, generally (peaking, of very little nfe. No one complained, or could Frilly complain of thefe regulations, not even the volunteers them felves. He had not IoR a man, nor was he likely to lofe any. Tire .CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQTER, in an eloquent fpeech, which the limits of our Paper will not admit of our doing jollier to, replied to the leveral attacks that had been made on the new fyftem. He Rated, that it was already produaive to as great an extent as could hive been ,xpefled in fo short a (pace of time, even by its moll fanguine advocates. In the coma: of the Lail year near rz,033 men Mad been railed ; an..l the moll recent returns warranted a well founded hope, that thofe for the months of ' January and February, would be decifive as to the gradual progtels which recruiting for the regulars was now experiencing. This meafure, however,' was not merely intended to operate as to the number, but to the quality and charneh:r of the men to be r-iiled by it. It Lid the foundation of improved ' refpeßability in that branch of the pul-,lic fervice, on which fo much of our future falety might depend ; its provifions would afford liberal remuneration for 1 honourable and laborious fervices. He law no reafon 1 to entertain a doubt, but that a generous country would be willing, and a wealthy country abundantly able, to bear whatever expence a meafure, with fuch objeas in view, might be attended with. This in creafe, however, would be amply compenfated by the redtthion of high bounties, by the diminution of de fertion, and by the confiderable retrenchments to be made in other branches of Military Departments.— His Lordthip particularly inilanced thofe of the Commiffariat, the Barrack Mailer, and the Staff. In the fir( there was a Caving from the tedudlion of the I 1 number of Commiffaties; in the fecund there had _c 1 a faving Tall year of 503,0331. to which an additional 1 faving of 50,0001. would this year be made ; and from the annual expence of the Staff 43,3001. had been taken off. The retrenchments tco in the ex pence of the Volunteer Corps had been confiderable, without impairing that important branch of fervice, without wounding the feelings, or ciiminifhing the numbers of that meritorious body of men. They were not mercenaries, but men who, unbiaffed by fcififh confiderations, were the foremoll to ap prove and applaud meafores calculated for the g e .l neral advantage. The diminution of their numbers was comparatively (mall : in the preceding year it had amounted to nine thcufand, when their allow ances were the moll lavilh and extravagant ;—in the lot only to 11,003, when thok allowances had been reduced. He had repeatedly heard from the Hon. Gentleman oppofite to him (Mr. Rofe) who was not a little fond of talking of economy, of the boafted reforms intended to be made by the Govern- ment to which he had belonged. Tilde boafts, how ever, were mere words, never realifed, never ailed upon ; and he could not but think it a pity that the country fhould have 101 l the benefit of the Honourable Gentleman's talents, from the exertions of which he hirnfelf taught the country to have expaled fuch be n- ficial refults. His Lordihip concluded by repelling the charge againa Government for not having former fent out reir.le:rcements to Buenos Ayres. Mr. ROSF. explained. Sir JOHN NEWPORT, in anfwer to what had , been faid refpeaing the Muller Matter in Ireland, obferved, that whether that office was executed by one or more, it occafioned no increafed expense to the public, as the emolument arofe wholly from fees, not from falary. He then adverted to the bill then on the table, for abolifhing tinny eight finecure offices, and reforming twenty fix more in Ireland, which he h ►d brought in, and complained that its beneficial operations had been in many inflances defeated by the ]with grants of feveral of thele offices, by the late Adminill ration, often too deep in reverfion, by which means, in one infiance, though the office intended to be abolifhed had twice become vacant, fince he had filled his prefent fituation, it was (till full, and the' public could not have tbc bent of the reform for m iny year; to come. Mr PERCEVAL defired to know, whether all there reforms, Which were fo much bodied, had not been introduced in confequence of the fuggeftions of the Commifiione►s appointed by the lel Aeminifira tion ; if it could be flitted, that the bill referred to had carried the reform fill further, f, , me merit might be claimed by the new Adminifiration; but it not, they were cuti'led to none. He laid Mr. Pitt's abo. lition of iinecilres, on coming into office, was not to be meaftied by zo's or 33's, but by too's: at leaft it had es ended beyond one hundred. Perhaps the bell ground of complaint for the Hon. Baronet would be, that fo few offices were now left for him to increaft 1.i.; economical fyfiem upon. He faid, it was curi,,us to hear Minificrs vaunting in terms of high fl:wn panegyric the military meafures of a Noble Vifcnunt (Sidmouth); praifes, which were perfonally grateful to him, but which ill became thofe who had coofantly vilified them with every term cf reproach .vhich their imagination could fuggell. On the new plan fer recruiting the army, by which it was expec• ted not only to raife mote men, but men of a better deScription, Le afked, in what new clais of the com munity were fuch men to be found ? Were they to be created or generated for the purpo* of this meafure ? The wilts wat t there was only a certaitl proportion of the population that could be brought into the mill ury fervice of the country, and he believed thole now engaged in the various military and naval ells• hlifliment., in the commercial marine, bore a 19rger proportion to the general mats of the People, l than they did in any other people. He concluded by adverting to the orders and regulations eflablifhed by his &I...jelly's late warrart, and cleared to be informed whether foldiers difcharget, when called upon to fer ve till they had completed their periods of fervice, were to retain the pention to which they were at the I time entitled ? Mr. I,VINDHANI ftid, that the Honourable Gentleman had the talent of throwing fo much ani n:atiou into a debate, as to route the molt exhauQed attenfir,n, in which flotation at this late hour, he cr.rifeEd he found himfelf. Fatigued, however, as he was, he mutt fay a tew words. In anfwer to the quetlion, be flake!, that the pen fion would be fufpended dt:'ing the time of fervice, but wr uld revive, according to the right icquired by the foldier, whenever the refpeftive period of fervice ar.ived. He defended the new plan, which had been propofed by him, and denied that he had ever difparaged the meafures of the Noble Vilcount al: lu:ted to, except as far as they appeared to him to prevent the adoption of filch a plan as he had now brought forward ; upon which, he maintained that the belt hopes of at all times procuring a numerous army properly conftioned, mutt tell He repeated, that whatever force we at prefent poffeffed, was un doubtedly owing to the mealures alluded to of the Nuble Vilcount. Mr. PERCEVAL exprefflol himfelf fatisfiect with the explanation given,refpeetiog the foldier's Penfion. Colonel WILDER faid a few words refpeEting the manner in which the clothes were preferved by Colonels of Regiments, who, he thought, had been charged with neglea by Mr. Rot, who in explana tion Ihewed, that the obfervation was founded on a miflake of what he had laid. Mr. BATHURST ohferved, that if the vivacity of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Petceval) had roofed the attention of the Hon. Secretary on the general fob jeas in difcuffion, it had induced him to rife from motives of mere perfonal feeling. He regretted that his Hon. Friend fhould have thought it neceffary to introduce among the various topics arifing nut of the Report on the table, the name of his Noble Relative, and in a way of taunting Miniflers with doing what had been admitted to be no more than an aft of jut tice towards the meafures of that Adminifiration.— This made it neceffary for him to juflify the line they had - taken, by referring ro what had oecafioned it. The Noble Lord oppolite (Lord Caftlereagli) had exprefsly fired on a former night, after doing juliice to the efficiency of the military meafures of the Adminiltration of which he formed a part when the war bloke not, that the late Adminiftration, of which he al:o was a Member, had railed 33,030 men in the 20 months that they continued in office Had the Noble Lord contented hindelf with limply ,1 fiating the fait, that fuch a number of men were, during that period, added to the army, he fhould have thought it unneceffary to interpofe ; but when the merit of thi; addition was claimed exprefsly by the Noble Lord for the latter of the adminillrations to which he belonged, to the exclution of the Er mer, it was proper to be obferved in anfwer, that the fait was, that the whole of the num ber, whatever it might be, except the produce of the Additional Force 13i11, was produced by the con tinued operation of the meatuses propofed by the preceding Adminifiration. He had no doubt the impreffion conveyed by the Noble Lord, was the circa of inadvertence or mifiake, though he ,bferved that a fimilar liatement had been made is a former Seffion. He thought it peculiarly hard, that the Noble Lord who upon detraaing (as he was ettitled to do) from the number Jilted as railed under the prefent Adminifiration, thofe which were produced by the Additional Fore Bill, as being no meafures of theirs, tbould yet aflame to the credit of the Late Adminiltration, thofe equally the produce of the meafures of that which preceded it. He complained too, t -ltA in order to Avert this number as much as polliblt.-Whe Noble Lord had carried his calculation down to March, rBc6, which he had avowed was' done fur the expel; porpole of including the rhino verians, who, upon the evacuation of their country, in the beginning of that yzar, had entered into our fervice. lie begged to be ondertlood as claiming to the Adminittration in which it was formed, no extra ordinary degree of merit for the .intlitution of the German Legion ; but whatever it was, it was the foundation of all the additions which had ever' fince been made to it, which could only be con fidered as the effects of accident or misfortune, and certainly not of any new meafures. He obferved, in general, that neither he nor his Noble Friend, who had been alluded to, could feel any &fire that his military meafures thoold be made a topic of unnecet fary eulogium, lets did he with to impute as a matter of blame, that the additions made, in fiabfe quent years of the war, to our military Itrength, were not equal to thole called forth in an early ltage of it. Undoubtedly, it was his duty to bring forward all the refources of the country at fuch a moment of public danger. All he wiffied to have underttood, was, that he had in fast done fo, and that the continuance of the operation of thofe meafures had been the means, (with the tingle exception above referred to, of the Additional Force Ad, and which alone would not have kept up the efiabliffiment to the point where he had left it) of colleaing the force now vatting for the defence of the. country. Lord CASTLEREAGH faid, he had been fo particularly adverted to, that he felt himfelf called upon to fay a few words. His Hon?urable Friend had done him bare jutlice in fuppofing that nothing could be farther from his intention, than deprecta t7zg the meafures of one of the admiciftrations with which he had been conneeted, to enhance thofe of the other. In truth, he felt an equal refpea for both, but the courfe of his argument the other night had led him to make no dilliation between them. He had been controlling the efficient meafures of thole aclutiniltrations with the theories and experiments of the prefent Minitlers, who had been former:y in the habit of reprobating all the meafures of • defence which had been adopted w hile they were in rippofition. Mr. BATHURST faid, he was perfealy fatitfied with the explanation given by the Noble Lord'who had jolt fat down ; but in excufe foi- the imprenical which he had before received, and which had hit duce) him to rife, ke begged to remind the Noble 1 -Lord, that the ernseflion which he had ore l • t IT lu •,J 1 former night, was, Mr. Pit t b y hi s " exPlnded me. res," and which expreffinn, h e corce:yed, cottl' only refer to the Addition a l Force BPI, which h,, been oppoftd both by 1.-td Sidmooth anti the relt,; the prefent Adminiftration. 1 1 / 4 :r. Pitt, by his expl o 4 ed.mea:tres, raifed 33.0p0 men, LordCASTLEREAGH l'aid e bv "explod e d lures" he meant not only the Addi,ionai Force Bin, but all the meafures of Lord -Sidmout:l's Ad m i ni. flration, which had been oppofed by the Gentlemen opponte. He trotted he fhotrld never again be.called upon to explain upon this fubjed: ail ire had meant to aftert, was the fail, that Mr. Pitt had aFtuail y I c.tifed, during the twenty months of his late Admi. nillration, the number cf 40, 0 00 m en . Lord HOWIi.:K,, confidered the conduct of m e Noble Lo; d as moll extraordin ar y. H e had tu " n repeated, and even exaggerated, an affertion, vrhieb, notwith(landing the explanation whi c h h e appeared' fo anxious to give, feemed to juftify the imp re ff ioe which had been entertained by the Gentleman wh, preceded him. He laid, he was at a lots to goef, , from what document the Noble Lo r d h a d taken the number he had juft named. It was fufficient for him to report what he had (fated on a former ni g h t, without at prefent going into detail. H e h ad then demonftrated, that, dedu.ting from the number b y which this effelive ltrcngth of the army had bem increafed, during the period of the late Adminiftra. tion, thole which were the effed of meafures pg. v;3uily adopted, there remained only about 700 0 m en to be charged to their credit. With refped to til e imputation which had been thrown on him, of d e . fending nkafures which he had formerly eenf ured, be fhosald fay, in the firft plat:, tat if he now law reafon, from experience, of approving what he had before blamed, he fhtuld feel no fhame in acknow. hedging that conviction ; but as to himfelf, as he had obfer ved on a former night, he had not been in t, 1 4 habit of attending the Houfe during the time th e meafures alluded to (of Lnrd Sidmouth) had been i t difenfflon, and had only obferved the h eavy in t l. lure of them in the Country, when 'h e y were carr i es into circa. He was therefore perfeßifleya, an t lid wiii liberty at heto a w n a y s o a p t in a i l n l n th t l h ie a s t r h e e ad m y ig to ht fu n p o p w er p t rb:y proof. It was ra natural to him to be prepared with (latements of the National Force at different periods, when tha: was likely to be a fubjed of dircuffion cn voting ti t Army Eftimates, and be had ;Availed himfelf cf them, in obviating what had appeared to him to be an uo. founded affurrption of the Noble Lord oppofite t,,) him. TUESDAY, JANUARY 27. • Ti.rTrouD EtAcTioN.....The Houk ballotted for a Commitle ; to try the merits of the Thetford Elation Petition. The Mem. lier 4 nn the reduced hit wt.rc thde : I'afcoe Grcnfell, Eli. Genrte Hibbert, Efq. Charl's O'Hara, Efq. Lordlaritnrofe. Robert Fergufon, Frq. John Fane, Efq. The Hon. Henr: Lyttletnn. , Arthur Sbakerpeare. si r R o b ert William., hart. Hon. Cha. Laurence Dundzs. George Anfon, Efq Lord Hcadly. Hughan, Efq. Samuel Whitbread, Erg./ Nominees, Robert Fellowes, Efq. FlNANcre.—Tlic CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQU ER rcre for the purpose of giving notice, that -on Thurfday nexe would move certain Refolutiono relative to ,he Finances. The melt fr—rril way of d gag fo would be in a Committee of the crEolc lioufc ; 3rd therefore he begged !rave now to move, that tbetiouft do, on Thurf,:ay near, refolve itfdf into Cowin:Ate for them. pore of receiving and confidering there Rerclutions —Ordered. Me. DAVISON —Lord A. HAMILTON gave notice, that o• morrow be would move for certain. Papers, which would tend to illuftrzte force tranrnaions in the Th.:l Military Report radio( to the cafe of Mr. Davifon. PENSIONS AND OfFiCE3 —Mr. SWAN moved, that there laid before the Houle, aft. An Account of all the Pecflons granted by the Crown fon the tft of April, 1833, to the aft of January, a Bc7, as tar as re gards Great Britain. id. An Account of all New Ofikes and Additions to Salaries, whether in the fhape of Fees Or otherwy - e, granted during the fame perki, a, far :s regards Great Britain. 3d. An Account of ail Fathom granted by the Crown <hull the fame period, as far as regards Ireland. 4th. Au Accannt of all New Offices and Additions to Sahries, in the fhape of Fes, &c. granted during the fame period, ash: as regards Irelaod.--All there motions were agreed to. The Report of the Supply, as far as rcfpeded the t,coct,occl.c? Exchequer Hills for Ireland, was brought up—the Refoluticp agreed to, and a Bill ordered. OAK BARK. Mr. HERBERT moved, that a Committee be appointed to con. fieler .he Ad of James the Ertl, relatiee t 6 Oak Bark. Mr. PI.OMER feconded the motion, becaufe he thought it Fe• culiarly hard upon the Te , iners that this one claufc fhould be re• peeled while the others were filtered to remain. He though;, therefore, that the appointment of a Committee to examine thi . whole Ad was highly proper . The Committee was thtn appointed and ordered to report their otfervations and opinions to the Houfe All tht. Peritiorss on this fubjedt were, on the motion of Lord TEMS'LE; ordered to be re ferred to the Committee. Mr. WYNNE brought up an Account of the effedive ftrenri of the Volunteers, which had been before ordered by the Houle.— Orderal to lie nn the table. Mr. WYNNE moved for leave to bring in a Bill to elntinuc the Adts of the 37th of the King of the Britifh and Irith Parliament' to prevent tire Secludion of solditr. and Sramen.—Leave given. SCOTS CLE::GY. The LORD ADVOCATE for SCOTLAND moved the Order of the Day for the fecond reading of the Scots Clergy Bill. Sir WILLIAM DUNDAS highly approved of the Bill Since the publication of the intention to aka- the form of proceeding is the Court of Sefliun, the Clergy had been running a race in sr& to obtain augmentations before the new regulations thould tale place. This occafioned difputes between the Clergy and the Land. holders. The Court of Se on had power to give augmentations till the tythes were exhauftell. As there were fn many applica tions, he thought that the evil ought to be remedied, and force re pt& given to the Clergy to attend to their duty for eighteen or twenty years. Mr. PEACEVAL obferved, that if this was the true Rate of the cafe, it formed an argument not only for this Bill to fufpend the powers of the Court of Seffion, but alfo for the propofed regu lations, tor if that Court exercifed its power for granting augmen- tations blindly and without conlideration, it was a good reafon why it Ihould he deprived of it. And if the Clergy (hewed fuel improper greesillefs, certainly they ought to be reltrained. He was furry, however, to hear this character of them, for he had be fore underftood that the Clergy of Scotland were a moll rafpedable body of men, Againit whom there was lefs grJuad of reproach than almott any other clafs whatever. The Houle was not in a ittuation, however, to decide upon there points, and theiefore this could not he any argument in favour of the Bill at prefent. But, in addition to this it would be hard to ftnp Cults already commer.ced, and therefore, if there were a great many fuits of this fort pending' this was rather an argument for not (*ending the powers of the Court of Senion. Mr. WM DUNDAS, in explanation, denied his having el' prtlfed any :nitroft of the Court of Sell - ton, or having (aid any thing difrefpedful to the Clergy of Scotism'. What be laid was' that Come repute was detirable for the Clergy, and be was not fin gular in this opinion, for the prefent Prefident of the Court 4 Salon had when Lord Advocate introduced a Edifyr dikontinu ieg thefe fuirs for augmentation for forty years. 11.1 r. HORNER raid that he underftond this 13'11 to he brought in, not in :be fpirit of hoftility to the Court of SeCluti. but the coo trety, for it was intended as a relief to thou. The power to grant augsdentations, belonged to the Members 6f the Court of Seim only as Commitrioners. It was riot a banters that came under 1 , tkir jurifcliCt!on as a Court but portly of a hill' I a