Star. — London, England, 1811-01-10 00:00:00

E6lVfllcow H,L~i, A numerous and reepectable fleeting or the Livery o f tenaiin was held yesterday, at Guildhall, to con sider of the meesures whlchought to be taken to sup ple, in the person of the Pi-ince of Wake, the present defect in the Executive Power. es. tier Aldermen Curtis, ShaW, and Price, had been erceiyed with the usual salutations of hissing ; and Alderineti Comhe, Goodbehere, and others, with the ; accustomed acelemetioas, the Lord Major stated the obiect for vsh;cii .t!ey had been assembled, and the re.: s e iis;tioe, t igeed.ber Mr. Waithtnan and several other Lit 'elm's:, was read, . • . 1 Mr. Weerituea, amidst a thunder of applause', ! cane forwardito move the Resolutiens. Gentlemen vi the Livery, he . said, after the various discussions whish h tee taken place in both Hoots of rallies , Mena re:stive to die hest means of supplying the des fect in tlei .E x ecutiee Authority, arising from the pre. 1 c ent meisnceoly ilicapacity of his Majesty, I trust it • al reit e estssery ter me to use many arguments to con. e a- e s von of the impropriety, in many respects, of the cutees weich the NlSnisters have pursued. Neither, l r estuoe, is it necessary to trouble you with citing ..„.,,e. s e e because, if these were wanted Atter all • ,s eesed, I should absolutely despair of pro. j s'seeie s onvatien in your minds. The question, : Ceelsinen, hes. nosy been reduced to a very narrow come t 7 b It. lies been admitted that there is no pre; ° cs-iett aeplicahle to the present circumstances; it a ss essii allowed, that all the powers and preroga is the Crown are ; vested in the icing, in trust for the osesSit of die people ; and, all this being conced- 1 ed. we have• only to consider whether that authority, in the heads of the Sovereign is essential to eeehle him to conduct the Government of the coins tre, svi•Si edvAritAge to his subjects, ought to be re.: l stoctied an te limited when that Government is to bet administered by a Regent ? An.attempt, Gentlemeo s he been made to cast some imputation upon us, to excite odium eieeinst us as it we acted inconsistently. Bow, can you, they say, who have been constantly cemplaitti- es of the excessive induence of the Crovin, and ~: toe corruptions by which that influence hiss bsen• supported, now. turn round and call so loudly for the fell exercise.of the Royal. Authority ? but there is ito inconsistency at all either in our conduct or &Niel Aimee We have always entertained a con stitutional respect for the person of the Sovereigraaod for tire Kingly office —we have always supported the just aAd neseSiA!'y prerogatives of_ the Crown e while we called for a Reform in the Representation, being well aware, that if the people were fairly represented, these prerogatives would not be :shined. Responsi bility would then be somethiug more than a name, and no Minister would dare to abuse his power with oust being,called to account and severely punished.— This We have prc•ressed, and our conduct has corres. poioicd with our piefessioas. Because we have en cicavetirel to render the constitutional -check upon the Crown effic:ent, are w:, therefore, inconsistent in sups porting the Monarch No, Gentlemen ; but they ere iect,nsistent who, after all their talk about exclu sive loyalty, are now engaged in the destruction ofi the Royal Authority, when they ought to have taken the lead in its defence. (.41sp/ausi.) If we had still. wanted any th!ng to convince us of the real motives of these persons, their principle of action would now be abundantly. manifest. theard doctrines maintained yesterd.iy, Gentlemen, such as were never before avowed since the peried of the Revolution. I heard it asserted, that the Crown wawa property oldie indi vidual—that its prerogatives were as inherent right ; and could n it, therefore, be transferred to another, however incapehle the Sovereign might be to dis. charge the duties of the regal office.. Thus they at tempt to dept ice the Crown of that security which results from the impression that Royal. Authority is a trust necessarily reposed for the advantage of the people—and in this manner, with All their, pretensions to loyalty—after ail their imputations on us when we presumed to complain of grievences, do they, item the most unworthy and selfish motives, strive to over. turn the Isloneechy for which they professed to feel such an extraordinary attachment ! It is clear, Gen tlemen, that his Majesty's name has been brought-fer wars far the most infamous purposes, and I .cannot better describe their conduct than in the emphatic language employed by a Royal puke in the Upper }louse of Parliament," instead of being a shield to the King, as they ought to be, they have made his Ma jesty a shield for them." (Loudo/sifilause.) It is now evident that these persons, under the mask of loy-altr, !retie bean holding tip the King as a screen for their delinquencies. (Ace/ameuessr. ) This subject has been so 'much discussed before, tl at it is impossible it can be misunderstood by any one acquainted with the plainest principles of the Constitution. The Government has been carried on for . three months without a King ! and this, too, while snore money is issued in three months than was ex• pended at the famous period of 2788 in a whole year. Tha,e loyal men have been sheaving the country that, it may go on very well without a King without any personel act of Royal Authority. What a comment on the doctrines of 'Paine. that the King is a mere name —a tool in the hands of Ministers; or worse ; -end, to crown all, they are palming upon us the senseless fic tion of the Great Seal, as if they intended to furnish a proof that a seal might answer the Purpose of a Siesereign ! But we know, Gentlemen, that iso exe seelve act car, be constitutionally performed except vesre there exists a pawer of giving' a negative as well as an assent—(epp/ause.) Now mark the con. duct of those who have assailed us with the appellal zisas ef Jacobins and levellers, when we ventured to sseielaiii of grievances. :Set now who are the real lacohins.• 'I hey have not only been telling us, but They have been proviag by example and practice, how the Close:tune:A may be conducted without a King ! Az Iseeth, then, no one can be ignorant of the hitter siees of thei.e menoof the pernicious tendency of their prosetelegs, and of the nature and value of the loyalty to which they have so often argued their exclesive desist They tell us that we wish to put into the hands of the Regent an authority which we would no: allow to the King. I have before answered that, but I now say, that if any part of the influence of the Crows is unnecessary, why should' it not he diminish ed ?—Why slould not that portion which is unneces sary be done away altOecther ? But, Gentlemen, their. abject is not diminution—ea much more pernicious desien engrosses their attention, and animetea their *a' enigai. They are endeavouring to sepnrate apart . . . ' . . • . . 6 . ... .• 1 • . .. . .. . • • - • Regal Power from tEe trietiiive ittAitioneehnnt foit t 6 ri with a better' grace‘te the Prince for a dionissal oad anion had mote reasomn . ban himself Pe;lllMinf. the purpose of diminishing the inguence of the Crown - , of maws& nnd unconstitutional Mintetets, if ante to a:knowledge thereb• . He ..'had loor , h, vs Rieral hut with a view to place it in the hands Of those who, serrAntil?hpuld ever happen to disgrace his Govern: Highness . from iiihancy, and had Awe, s tech sed for some time past, have. so scandalously condUcted meet, and to lay befere him any other grievance of Most marked .:ittelithhi from him. He his as the the affairs of the country, to enable them to embarrass which we may have reason to complain. Thus then, M.n, above all others, echo niieht to . he Re ‘ tooo i.-- and overwhelm the Government of the Regent- 7 . Gentlenien, I trust these ridiculous imputations are but till no hopes remained ot hi , . :.:,ti;% 's Ter:)iier. . Plcrlamation.)-HOw does Mr. Perceval itingine that fully and fairly answered. i , ing that which we .had all laniented he }:ad li et, he the Prince can manage the affairs of the nation with Mr. Weernuen then retired amidst repeated thun• (Sir W.) could not consent to the Prince being ap effect, when he holds so large a part of the Regal ders of applause. . . • pointed:without en me restrictions. (elotohebationansiliee . Power, to be brought forward like Proxies against his . Mr. EAVELL said, in corn'ee forward to second the aftlirantion.) He hoped the Livery would stiffer hint Government-4dr. Perceval, who has ever been so - Resolutions now dubmitted ...6 the Livery for their ap- to state his sentiments. He did it witlesespect towards teensy to maintain that the has of the - patronage of a probation, he felt conscioui-that he had an easy task them, and was. sorry he differed from their opinione o e sinecure or a pension, would endanger the existence to perform. After the luminous and perspicuous man- (Amdartees.)-- : Ho thought. a reosonehle time should of the Monarchy ?-How does he imagine that the . net in which the business had been opened by the Hone be allowed for his Majesty's •ecvery: He had known Prince can make a Lord Chancellor-that he can Mover, whose taking and whose unceasing exertion in his King now for snore than 50 yente, :col never procure a Chancellor of the Exchequer, when he found ' every question in which the public interest was con- would forsake him whilst he lived. --44eeesherser.).-- the King so hard driven as to be under the necessity . cerned, the Livery had so often bad occasion to ad- .He had the honour of. preset.' :g the !.Ist phtiona of of getting one from the Bar, who, not content with ' mire, little remained for him to say on the subject, as the Livery to the House of Common; ; eud he then . the Clerkship of the Meltings--mch content with the he could not expect to put the matter in so clear a contended for the.reception of the petitinn et the good reversion of £3O or ee4O,O(X)-Not content with the point of view as that in which it had been left by his Lirery of Lond"n, agreed to. in a .Corroston 1341, salary of his office, contracted for the Chancellorhip Worthy Premed. The proceedings of the Livery of legally convened. -(oloyestren) -11:: kid at r!:ac of the Duchy of Lancaster, and would have had it for - London had long been a fruieul source of invective to Common Hall told them,. he tint', ottineteiy di,lhrod life, if he had been allowed to complete his bargain ? the corrupt and designing minions of power; and their from them in opihion ; yet he load done his dutyos (Load applawes).-How dare he meet a body of Free- acts, however loyal; and however constitutional, had their servant-he had presented their re ition-ner. men and tell them that he means to retain all this never ceased to be represented as factious and jacoloi ported it-and expressed his lopes the 11. asse would, patronage in his own hands to be turned against the nieal. Their enemies' camp, huv:ever, was now in rgeseive and attepd to it ; and he new met them, to Government ? 1 confusion, and those same persons who had all along tell them what he had done-and all he' had done 'lO I do not think it necessary, Gentlemen, to trespass . plumed themselves on their own loyalty, and traduc- would avpw.-[The worthy Alderman retired ann.dst on your time much longer. I shall read the whole ed elle Livery of London as Jacobins, were now so ..,in mixture of applause and disepprobetioo.] of the Resolutions in the first plate, and then pot them , reduced that they could find no other way of mail- I • Mr. Alderman COMM WA, the moment had ne* one by one-and if you adopt them, 'I shall move , fisting their loyalty to the Sovereign except in abusing ' arrived when the Livery were celled upon to vend that a. Petition to both Houses, founded upon them, his Son. If, however, there were in this tountry any rorthard in the support of the ri:l.hts of the Crow" aid ne prepared. But, perhaps, before you separate you e men, or any class of men ; desirous of sowing the . they ought to defend them as they woui4 the'r own May again think it right to offer some advice to those : seeds of Jacobinism, they must be looked for, and F.ghti. In- cnnsiderinw the question how fee the Rot who ought to represent you in Parliament-(A/evil, ! could only be found among those very. persons who gent sliiield be trusted without restrictions, 4-hey with crier of " fee, ,e:.")-It is most painful for inc . .now dared to tell the people that we could do, or most neither leek to the Kilts; nor the iorhsee-7tner to be oldigisd to make these comments from time to , even that thenCoostitution of this country could be must look to the fundamental princitilCs of the Con time on the conduct ot your Representatives-but'. maintained, without the Executive Power. In the ittitution: Thus fir, howeirer, he could say, that no. when the perilous condition of the country, both with ' l. Cernerion Council, yesterday, Gentlemen were told, ter had man less' thirst for power, or most affection respect to its foreign relations and its internal affairs, i as probably they might again be toldhbis day, that it for his father and family, than the Prince of Wales. is considered, and when the peril is so much increased wan not necessary that they should meet, or should ex- . The worthy Alderman said, the Crown, must hats by, the present, lamentable state of our Government ; press any opinion on the present situation of affairs. p ower -. it was for the benefit of the people; and, in it IS their duty to shew how th e y have acted on the This was a common expedient. Nothing was so coin- his opinion, loyalty and liberty went hand in heath , - presentoccasion, and how they mean to act. It is moo as to tell the peorna when they complained Of. iHe concluded by 'supporting the Resolutions.-In the difficult, Gentlemen , to repress the expression of a dis- abuses, that there was no necessity for their assem- Course* of his speech, the-scot:hi AMeVnall was !War approba:ion which you strongly feel-but for your bliug ; that the matter was under discussion elsewhere. , and frequently. applauded. • own . dignity and credit, I hope you will hear them, . So were they told on the question of the Walcheren that net. may not have afterwards to complain that I Expedition ; it was not necessary for them at all to .1e tea 1 . obtained ;deuce, he said, he luilycorteurred hi 1 t Sir CUAttuu Pima then came fontirartl, end, when l they had not fair play.-(iffridause.) . look into it. The House of Lords arid the House of . : [He then read the Resolutions, which were in sob- Commons were inquiring into it. Though the Gal - what had been said of the Prince of Wales. He had stance the same as those passed by the Common Coun- lery of the House of Commons, however, was shut ; thlWays acted like a . man, and they leishito reason to cif the day before- for whit)), and those of the Corn- against the public 'on that occasion, they were not : su pp ose he would not ' act as a Regent ought tout ; • . es' trusted iii on a manner the Regent of this Ve mon .Cronicil, see the front page.]. ignorant what had been the result of that inquiry. • and he sted it would not be long before he wog& et Mr. Waithman in continuation.-This is the first In talking of the British Constitution, he did not wish be wag dont o u g ht to be-CWorthift the ritintr Sun, Sir Ciarleh rime, Gentlemen, that I have had an opportunity of •to speak of it lightly. He confessed it to be one was i lovas exc !limed ta the body of the'l-lell.)-He hid addressing you since you gave an opinion upon a great proaching the most nearly to perfection ; that it was . • . public measure- ( the commitment of Sir F. Burdett one which greatly excelled the boasted Constitutions 1 it supportete the . proceeding by 13ill, because he thought o was the only constioitional anode of pniceeding I .to the Tower, and the question of Parliamentary Pri- of Antiquity-the Constitutions of Greece or Rome. 1 vilege).-On that occasion some persons who did not The Romans, however, in the utmost purity o f their ; and he hoped would nqt be long before our venet4a dare to meet v.. here, retired to a Tavern, and passed •'Constitution, acted in a 'banner exactly different front , hie. M onarch . • would be again seated on the throne, who assumed . to : an d , his again asting e os lie ever had acted , for ttti gollut Resolutions, highly derogatory to the character of the that now proposed by those men, ot people. Livery. Feeling deeply for the repectability of the themselves the character of Ministers of this country. , 1 . . . Magistracy, lam sorry to say, that one of our Alder- When the Romans in any time of dif fi culty or dangtr,• l . Sir Jams SH 4W said, if. in a constitutinnal p . ofne ' men (Christopher Smith) attended that Tavern Meet: i had to supply the place of the Executive Government of view he could suffer any consideration for : an iedi -1 ing, . and was not ashamed to take the Chair-while i for a short time, they did not, as we propose to do, j v i dual to have weight with hint, lie should feel In another(Jacob) visited you in his place in Parliament I divest the Government of all energy whatever, but I timed from the known and acknowledged Yirtliel.cit ,•representing you as thieves and pickpockets. I could 1 appointed a Dictator, whom they invested with great : the Prince of Wales, tolet it carry him as far as In y . knot help calling your attention to this unworthy - con- ! and extraordinary powers and privileges. We bad 1 would any one; bur on this question, the inns! he •duct.. In this great Metropolis, Gentlemen,. from the 1 thengreat advantage over the Roman, arid every other . guided by the fundamential principles 'of tbe Cunsei merchant to the lowest clerk and porter, they will find !form of Government-we bad the advantage of Re- 1 union t and on no occasicahof our hit:why *bad o. Re ] those who are rend) , to give their substance, and shed presentation in one of our Estates-but how much 1 gent. without a permanent Council, been appointed their blood, if necessary, in defence of their Country greater must this advantage be if we could look fur- 1 without res t r i ct i ons. ,J,,,, . . and the Constitution. which they have received from ward to the period when we might contemplate it as I Mr. Alderman Wonky ethild not refrain from cob their fathers. By such stuff the country and its laws 1 being more full and more fair than it.was at present? ' gratolating the Livery, en the result of the dehate-in have been defended in times past-and by such stuff. He could net ' help congratulating the Livery, how- the Common Council on Tuesday. He recollected dt e / . must still be defended, when matters come to the.! ever, on the rising spirit of the country, which now the time when, upon reptiler questions in that Courts . pinch.- -(Laud toldnure). -There is not only, there- : manifested itself, pressed as we were by a foreign himself, and his worthy Friend, Mr.Waithmnnovers fore, a want of decency and gratitude, but a want of , enemy, whose animosity and power of evincing it, usually left in a minority, with not more than foutor common sense in these aspersions upon the Livery of , threatened our vety existence as a nation pressed even - five supporters'. He had•to congrattflitte the Livery I,:ondon As for myself, Gentlemen, lam indifferent !as we were by internal calamities, of the most afflict- on the downfall of that system. The question of the to the misrepresentations of my adversaries, and to the ' ing kind. It was right, that in such a situation as this Regency was not a question between the King and abuie heaped upon me, though it has extended even Iwe should see wits were our blends, and with this the Prince, but it was a question whether the p e to forgery, for the purpose of vilifying my character. I rising spirit among the people at large, he cm:gratu- Ministers, who had added 000,000,000 to th l s7l n ao I know the quatter from whence this cones, and de- lated the Livery of London on the common feeling tional Debt, given a vital' stab to the Constitutione spice it, satisfied with your good opininnof my motives which seemed to amuse them, and to point them out es and insulted the Corporation and Livery of London. and conduct. When they represent us as factious de- entitled tohold a character in the country very different should possess such patronage as would enable theta mateogues. what do they think of you ?- o Are you oil.. indeed from what they could have possessed, had they to continue their 'present system. If the Prince were ling is submit to the imputation of being so stupid as I shewn themselves on former occasions, as the mere appointed lhegent, he would concede to the wishes of to be led by factious demagogues and blockheads ?- I registers of the Minister's Edicts. Unanimity was es- the People ; he knows they wish for Reform, that it (A loud try of " No, no .")-This i s another insult sentially necessary, at least was of the utmost impor- is necessary for the preservation of the Prerogative of to the Livery-but I hope the day will come when lance, not only to give weight to the e roccedin g s, the Crown, awl for the Liberty of the People, and the Livery shall vindicate their own character, and but also as the most effectual means of enabling them be would grant it to them. . sliewtheirenemies whouretobe insulted with impunity! to re g ain those privileges which they might have lost,, The remainder of the Reselutiona were then read -Being on my legs, Gentlemen, I cannot refrain and to protect these blessings which they still pos- 1 and agreed to. from adverting, as I did yesterday, to the usage . which sensed, and which he trusted they would lung conti- 1 Mr. WAITTrINWI moved, that a petition (which was the Prince of Wales has experienced, There is no nue to enjoy.-(Lessa'apoihuser.) I read), founded on the Resolution% shoild he presene countryninsehich the Heir Apparent would have been The first Resolution was then put and carried una- ! ted to the House of Lords, by a Peer of Parliament; treated with so much neglect. All his life he has nimously.-hOn the second Resolution being put, I and that the pet i t ion, signed in a similor manner, been kept out of sight-he has been vilified and ton Mr. Guteerrits said, they were called together at a should be presented to the House of Commons, by doted in various ways = he has been nothing in the most momentous crisis, to consider whether one branch H. C. Combe, Esq. one of their Representatives o r . State. if be had been the friend of those persons-if lof the Constitution should be permitted to encroach . which motions were nereed to unanimously. he had adopted their principles, and supported their i on the other. We had received our Constitution, with ; On the motion of Mr. Werrnmah, it was resolved measures, I would ask you, Gentlemen, whether it I all its excellencies; as a mist from our ancestors ; and. that the other Representatives of the City he instruce would have been thought necessary that he should be lit was our duty to take care it did itot get tarnished ted to support the petition, and to oppose any resttic restricted, and that his Government should he trip-1 in our hands. The piesent Ministry had always shewn l tioes being enforced on the. Rterent. pled ? "would sick you, whetlien it would have been I a dislike to the Livery and to their proceedings ; and', The Thanks of the Livery were then voted to kt. deemed improper That he should have the power of 1 the Livery, perhaps, might know them ; if not, it was : C. Cotenr, Esq. for his cerduct in Parliament,, nerd granting pensions ? (Loud apfilas ee .) I would ask ; time they should know who they were-they were j ' snore especially; for his 'votes on the recent discussion you, whether all this is not as was the case in 1769, a I. the men who had shut out the Livery, and would not I in the House of Commons. contemptible struggle for power ? Even in 1788, if s . 'Ter them to l:iy their complaints at the feet of their I • Mr. Alderman Comm returned his thanks to the the Prince had favoured the Ministers, would you venerable Sovereign. Bat they had done more: they ! Livery for the honour they had done him ; it would have heard of Restrictions ? No, Gentlemen, it had shut out his 'Majesty's own children-his sons !, he his pride to support the liberty of the suhj set and . is, as I have said,,a contemneible struggle for power and his daughters, and wutild not suffer even them to ' the rights of the Croton.' . - for this they have recourse to the ridiculous fiction I see their Royal Parent.-(Amilause).---But what The Thanks of the Livery were then voted to T. of the Great Seal, and to these degrading restrictions . i could tile people exeect front these men ; men, who, , SMITH, Esq. the late Lord Mayor ; to R. Werruaate -There is one thing, . Gentlemen, to u licit I wish i.i 1788, had neaten the Prince as an infant ; had eon- and S. FAVRI.L. Esqes. ; and to the Lon!) MAYA, still to call your attention. It has been said, that if ; s:dered hint, for '22 years which had passed since that for conveithio the Meetine, and for his conduct inabs t he Prince were in power, and refused to act upon our time, as an infant ; and who now would like to coesi- . Chair ; after Which the Meeting adjourned. principles, we would be as ready to find foult with the der :cm as an infant for 22 years to come.--( al p- I • Prince as we had been to oppose the Ministers of the ! plow).- Ile would ask age; i, what could they ex. King. In answer to this I h a ve only to inform them, • pect horn these men ; men who had been nursed in that I hope we shall never lose sight of the greet prin. ! the, lap of, corruption, whose pap had been the spoil ( n i nes of the Consiitutip-that we shall always be of their country, and who held places before they on our guard, and preserve a proper jealousy of the wore breeches.-(Lord and continued lasqhter.) Crown.. Our Constitution was not established with- Ti l e second Resolution was then carried unani out much effort and perseverance. By struggles it has mottsly. been aequired, and by watchfulness and struggling, it , Th e t a bird and fourth Resolutions were then put must be maintained. In this manner, Gentlemen, can . and carried unanimously. we keep. what.we enjoy, or regain what we have lost. I On the fifth Resolution being proposed, (Applause). If then grievances should exist, we would , Sir W. CL:aTIS caine forward.' The worthy Alder go 11l a dutiful and respectful manner to the Prince rosin observed, lie had been called upon by the Gen -state the grounds of cur complaint, and sue for re- tlemen whihopeeed the business of the day, to deliver' dress. But why should we anticipate these things? his Opieloo ; he hoped, therelot e, the ;Avery would Let us, in the mean' time, shew tha twe are determi- grant hi m a h ear i ng . (ifftideroes e. 4 Ahloprelatiel. nod to support his jest preratives and his proper arid -t-He ' fully • agreed in all 7 wfiich bad . been • said of , cgastilAtga,;Ae s vuros i p . 44ohia wo skill boaushand thi ifiimes of his Royal Highness the PrisiellFSlslini E.4:lltArT OP A r,F.TTIR raotit PORTVIAL.4.-Atl Officer in Lord Wellington's army. writel thus to his father, an eminent Lottery Office Kerber in London. " Dear Father, I e-.pecied before this v:e should halls draum Massena to battle, and if so. I lutve no doubt by the Goiter! arrangement Lord Wellington loot made, we should have . divirid the vino y's army in., 2 hakes, by which means perhaps we should have take* the &sec, anJ if so, we should hive given them hewer Orefrters than they now have, though, by blassent's retreating, the battle • is for the pry sent poettp"ttude--. Massesta says, he has now with hits Exyx.o men. situ. sitting chießy of 4 Nation, 20,000 of e.Aels,l this it so much like the present State. Lottery Sitteme, which has four 0290,030 . Prizes, dist I hope w', all carry qn the simile, end deride their t• 4 4 /gels Day,- bat box, de iiikoliArtiatV! • •