Star. — London, England, 1811-01-22 00:00:00

PM II necessary for this purpose ? nut on tins ideas of Ministers were net to be regulated by the km , of, Geodernen opposite. Where was the •04 • been any specification of Officer* `ling of the be proved. ii polidetarrsmes , pelf ; or wotthr *lot 'be fi - hesiratints; Olathe been so *Printed. kdt vsintellateu ►n num WOWiLI frenoitnee, f; lie** kurreree P e n" oribeitirist, in fact, ntskv event witleut to have 1., laying a foundation for a strong andlaarfol appeal tion (Hear, bear,) to all the ttleasares of the Regent. , ous' uf soalikui a rmaneut h arran ho i a ‘smighst befograined was, h e w e h t ile ' , than might - expected . . .. ? there. _ any ,e excepted ? No ; there had been nothi 1, and consequentlT no hand coats Teti ficta#lnc: as firs - bagiassing year hence, feelings would in the natural c 'purse of be leas acute. lie was iferse to givi all to the le had hien na -- nd Gentlemen had f ound it impossible to ayes he v entured to say, the more the subject tres:dis ' ' - the existing diference. What had been said on the etleinkipiiffeerior stidoe, observations relative to the-asimPtIRILM*I Doak hounds ? Nat one word. Ilir . eitt'iMeidsow' . ! 'ing all to. Regent ; 3.3 in he one they ought. in 1 they - - 61 now, and against g. He would wish to do neither .seihey would do more than the other infinitely less than be hoped , would.— These feelings made him against the present propo sition, and when, at the m*iration of a year, they of _ sell, the greater would be _ _ —mg _ e clause wA s to him not perfectly satisfattory,thotigh Vas the best that could be brought in. He thought was for a limited period, the whole of the place was wanted remind the Honourable Om) - whco had stated that the task Abasing doidialk eshihlb . Mr. Li am., 011011;.the he t as the plan , _. controul ought to have been given to the Queen. I tions belonged to ,-. .. -- Lord unhappily his M a j est y did not recover in the course ; Chamberlain, that Mr. Larpent wai appointed by the come to strip the King e. all they now gave , l i e year, he ev ent have the establishment trans- I Lord Chamberlain, and was an officer in his depart- thould oppose such a curtailment then more than he „d to t he Regent, and then make such provision ment. 'Whatever was the term of the limitations, Opposed the line of conduct pursued at present. Thil might be necessary for the comfort of, and dp at- whether for twelve months or less, he certainly would Right Hon. Gentleman then repeated his former at e ' dance on, the King, which arrangement he thalfght not advise any removal till the expiration of the term. guments on the Peerages, and thought it incumbent Lill have been wen engrafted on to that made for The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to have a dif. ' upon Ministers now to make such arrangement at Queen. In this °pillion the Kline had not con• ferent feeling from the numerous expedients he was would prevent the contention which might be expec- 1 , rred with him and his Friends, and therefore/hey adopting. One Right Hoe. Gentleman whom he ted then, if they . carried their point in the pret ist act as they could. Before he sat. down;he would , was glad td see on his legs again, had favoured them stance. He desired to throw from himself, a n t rom the House how the Queen, precluded from ap- ; with some information which hew s very capable of his friends, the odium vied' had been attempted to ruing a nd removing the Officers of the Household, i giving, although he sometimes wanted a little cor- be thrown on them as intending personal insult to 1 rod by possibility be supposed to possess sufficient . rection in point of accuracy, on the patronage of the the Prince, or of being actuated by interested ticket iefluence to have in her power to injure the Household, but bad cautiously abstained from saying tives. He gave Ministers credit for conscientiously gent ? any thing in defence of the distribution of it as now discharging their duty, and was convinced they had Mg r . WHITBREAD observed, that as the Right proposed. Mr. Wbitbread concluded by expressing only the good of the country at heart; such he trust- Inourable Gentleman - hadinformed them that he member firm conviction - that the present Bill tended to dis. ed his conduct would prove to every one to be the I a plan different ftom his Right Honourable : member the Monarchy, and was fraught with incal- principle on which he had acted. By accident, he end's (Mr. Percevars), the e Would probably be i culable mischief to the constitution and the best in- had been out of the House at the time when he rout& heat to discuss and settle thee differendlibetneen terests of the country. have moved his amendment ; he should, howeeet, .mselves. He doubted sex, lelet9=, that they 1 Mr. STEPHEN regretted having o ff ended the yet take an opportunity of.eutting it forward. Ite re perfectly prepared teegive an - imams vote Hon. Gentleman (Mr.Whitbread) by complimenting did not approve of the manner in which the clause the question befortethe House. He thought, how- I him as he had done. While so speaking, he thought had been filled up, and thought it would have been A ..r, the Right Honourable Gentleman had stooped one Member (if only one) would have listened to him much mote simple way to have followe had the given a rece ry low in condescending to usestatementwhat he could call 1 with comp lacenc y ; but finding himself in a mistake, dent of 1789, in that of resp the pe r sonse nd-sve be placed no better name than a quibble, in speaking of the Ihe would promise that Hon. Member to offend so no more distinctto rtion ef the Household that was placed under the I more. telkaverle.) The eonduct of the Hon. Geatie- under the controul of her Majesty. At present its -aeon of her Majesty . Could the Prince, he would man pat him in ti t i . l . l of certain fierce animals, 66 who meaning was sq obscure, that he thought two law e, lookiug at the Resolutions of the two ktbuses would not even stroking." (Loud laughter.)— yers of equal abilities might come to very different deredeoltim as the conditions on which he was I There was a character drawn by a certain admirable conclusions on the same subject. He had been cen assume the,government Of tbe country, have ima. , novelist .(Smollett), called Lieutenent,Lismahago, mired as having introduced the fourth branch of the led that so' eallern . tittle a share of brill:la:nee and i which then occurred to his mind. This personage, Household into the discussion. It had not been in. lendour was tbli , ..ie l ie ed bins, - thet he were? -be in his travels, encounters -Mr. Bramble, with whom troduced by him, and he had only adopted it in a :ended only Of • e ereandtimeratefeatHe he is s ve~ v s so oc c iable, very sociable, yet, from a certain peculiarity of mistake. He had not made a proposition that could d foreseen the • diktats* intendsch they were disposition, he can converse with him on- no subject place the Queen in that unpleasant situation of which ;sly to be reduced,' Albin befatendeavoured , to without flatly contradicting him in every thing he so much had been said. un tie had only proposed that event it, by moving that it shout be ate insert-Week says. (A laugh.) At last, Old •Bramble determines for she should have the power of summoning such Mem she Committee to attend to the Resolutions. They. once at least to please his companion, and avoid con- bens of the Council as might bet and nota id now come to a point which evould,.fernish a tradlction, by censuring those at the head of affairs for she should be invidiously obliged io make such th a t astone of the sincerity of the Right,llllonourable not: having raised him above the rank of a lieutenant. lectim as had been described. With respect to the entleman's (Mr. Yorke's) ) dad and former Su& a ming/nem, he thinks, cannot but prove grate. fi lling up the office of Chamberlain, if the functions ght, of bis wih. to . glee, an e -*length and gal nastily wounded feelings of the old soldier. 'This, were to be discharged, and all the patronage and in itial ergy to the Eseeutive Geeerment. _ wodldnow however, far fives. producing the desired effect, in. fluence to get out of their sphere, it must become a ford him a wet which aituld enable- to act up fusee, Lisa . .... Al thehighest degree, who start, up question whether the power ought to be so transferred, this declaration, or prove,. by his • with' his 24 afury, as if ~!- 7 been grossly insulted, and replies and transferred to an inferior in office. fight Honourable Friend, that he was a gto egith.great acri , fatty contradicting his friend in Mr. YORIK, in explanation, stated, that when the late the means of a formidable oafillSitkie tela *at all he had mislaid; eb that poor Bramble, when Right Hon. Gentleman,called upon them to make si t,. (Haar, hear.) It might not indeed Most solicitous tOldislecitallellOiteompelled to quar. provision now for what was to be arranged at the cod, Ippeniu Outcome of that Vte to which theßesetie- tel for his civility—(e lis#111,) The conduct of the of the twelve months, he seemed to forget that their D'9s were Prate& that a waapcy should happen on Hat. GeeteMan was to hitt equally unaccountable. object uncut occasion was to make a temporary, not fie Bench of aher of the Cares of Justice , nor that He had turned the subject over in his thoughts for a perm arrangement its vacancy might not be supplbed About confenroaft some time before he could discover the cause of of. -Mr. CANNING observed, that he had been in. e dignity of the Peenge, ste-bad been the ease, if fence. He had at last discovered where lay the sting duced to take the view he had submitted on this topic ewas truly informed) whit- the Right Honourable in his compliment. He bad praised the democratic from an observation made by a Right Hop. Gentle. pencer Perteval. (Near, hear) It t h ighs not= sentiments of t the Hon. Gentleman, who now perhaps , man who preceded his Right Hon. Friend, in which u the course of thatlimited period tat a-C.h thought that the time was fast appronching, when ,ie Ihe stated that the Regent need not be apprehensive as f the Exchequer may not be procured without rte. Might be very convenient for hini to forget those sen. !, to the patronage or controul of the Householdl as at towing, as the price of hts'aeceptance of the cake, an titnents. Rumour had already spoicen of his appoint. ! the end of twelve months, if his Majesty's illness nermetis sinecure. (Iliar, hear. An Honourable namatto be a War Minister. A War Minister !He I should - continue, the whole would be placed at his ;entleman under the Gallery ( . Loekhan) had who, when we were most insulted arid injured, would :disposal. l iiir Did them that influence was notes fin' opposition, have had us sheath the avenging sword, though at HILEY ADDINGTON rose to vindicate ecause there was no army to secure the resumption the greatest peril to ourselves, was to be a War Mil himself from some allusions made to him by the if his Majesties authority. Surely posterity, in read- :lister. He, exercising his own judgment, should re- Right Honourable Gentleman who had just sat ng the history of these transactions and events, would der have expected him to be made Mester of the Ccre- down. The observations of that Right Honotirable lever believe that such opinions had been uttered, or iunaes. (il laugh.) If that Honourae Gentleman Gentleman seemed to be so pointed, that he supposed inch expedients had been resorted to, as those to were made a War Minister, he should e x pect the War , his sole intention in rising was to make them. He which such opinions applied. No man, he could safe- Department to be ma i nxion an entire new system. I had, in what he had said sin a former occasion, only y say, more fervently prayed-for the King's recovery He (Mr. W.) Waited ly adopt the Hudibrastic I exercised that liberty which he considered every Hon. ban himself—he wished it for the sake of the country principle, .•.,..... -0 m i , Gentleman to be entitled to use in the avosml, of, his —he wished it that the Regent might be rescued from ire - "He wltilleitkotorkihe *way, sentiments. .. .- 2 rr hose overwhelming embarrassnieets in which he and a May live to fight itiother day."—(A laugh.). Lord CASTLEREAGH felt it necessary to say es Ministers were in danger of being Involved. The Hifierrangements would; perhaps, be exactly the re- a few words as to the grounds of the vote he should [-rouse had already decided that whatever was neces- verse of those of every other War Minister. lie Live. As he could not agree to the. Amendment mat h to the comfort of his Majesty should Willed. ; (Mr. Stephen) would, however, be very happy to proposed, he should not vote for leaving out the Wat was the Chamberlain but a pegean - King I see him in his new situation, and weuld not annoy words proposed to be omitted ; but when they should in his Majesti's situation ? and a Rernt, eqUel to : him with compliments. With respect to the question come to a vote on the body of tire Bill, he should feel what they were constituting, might' made in a ! befbre the House, it had been said, that proceeding it his duty to negative the clause, with a view to pro. Thy -shop ! One Honourable Gentleman had-danted i with the Bill would be a fraud on the Prince' after ; pew an Amendment which would - recug his seriti ori the hardship" of depriving his Majesty, under his I die Address with which they had already waitt:dbitort l wants upon die subject. - Neither theAutendment clifarnities, of the means and -instruments of his l i hity:;', This he denied; A the •vedings of Minitel of the Right Honourable Gentleman, nor the clause wonted enjeyments, and alltided to the Buck hounds, likes bA4 bees sanctioned iri tWfirst instance by the ' of his Right Honourable Friend, would execute what sil" it were - a cruelty tO appoint * nees'llassme i I oltfiiati. They had riot 'been ptotested against, iin fits fiception, ought to be provided with. arei and asif, even when his Majesty regained . his isisaal I extfile now maintained, that far from eheir bang at ; spect to the Household. He would go farther, aise4 health, he was not disaMed keen partaking of his fit- ' resent of a fraudulent nature'e'they would only be. ' say, that the clause, as it then stood would.not ex e,, venrite amusement. It had been asked, tithe o ffi ce I'-so if the suggestions rif aentlemen oppositerwere ' ( g ze .. . . . RietlwArt- ble of Chamberlain was of that importance which hadlis d: ' tj been attributed to it ? He' knew that the Chamberlain _3ls-WHITBREAD, in explanation said'he - had the patronage of many pieces—that among others ' glad rumour had given him so high a sittiallionVeroW" he appointed the Seijeant at Arms of that Housee •he was _aware of it, amble was' also !Gent gad that How could this o ffi ce be. without political influence ? had found the Honou and Learned leinan It had been remarked that there was something new ' I ready to blow her trumpet. NO higher compliment , inhis advocating the influence of the Crown ; bat what. could be paid to him than that which the Hon. Gen- I eye might be his opinions of the general expediency denten had bestowed on him. He trusted he should of diminishing it, he would never attempt . 'er do it by , ever prove ti onto those principles which he professed 1 X side blow, or to attack it underbid& If there were ,at present. Though he had- the greatest respect pFople who wished to accomplish the object in that the Honourable Gentleman, he could not believe one way. they could not find a better Captain than the ; of his assertio n ia c inH could net believe that he would . Right Hon. Gentleman. (Hear, hear, hear.) That ,be happy to se the patronage - of such Offices as the Master of the ; catrying things a little too far. He really,could not Horse and-the -Steward of the Household Hon daw titan. behest the Hon. Gentleman there ( hope h In re- 1 sive, was also sufficiently obvious. An eode. : torn, however, for his kindness, he d that before man (Mr. Stephen)Who although fond of -bitting his Friends went out of office, he (Mr. Stephen) had hard when he could, -*as , always sore what hit him- got all he wanted. (.4 knish.) self, but to whom le wns indebted fora handsorne Mr. CANNING thought with the last latitude'sSeatee compliment, in-tiring called the ornament of the De- 'on that side of the 'House, that a very large mocracy, had letelyettked hoer long it would take to had been left for apportioning the Hoasehold !on run down an AdMintstration f' Rs and his friends the voting of the Resolutions . He - did ant . approve had been engaged near , f our years le this endeavour, of the arrangements as he thought the grew; 9fficers, and had not let snexeede d, y et if the Resent' should such as the Lord Chamberlain, the I.ordttewarce, choose °that Ministers, and the present were to retain and the Master. delay Horse, shenild have -gone with in opposition that ittfluence and power Which it was the State of the Crovrn, leaving the subordinate Offss men d those propesesiloseohlualdfrom the_Rettent's Govern t, cars under the conteoul of her Majesty, en he did believe a single Session would . sliffiliiiiiible whose absence the King,recovesy, ght them to runitdown. (N ab Let the House and deplore.. He conceived the House waS not we look at the provisioesoeslie noulditeleuames. treated when they were accused of Svant'of feeling' -- • Gentleman's in going into what'Were called cold - - its...Whiß: ever day might feel, it was their testi t* . cient fortitude to look the threnteningew' ' and pro for the emergency of the ceseeeend ifs, other result-arose from the discussions tleey liad had' on the subject', *skip Amendmekitelakilitsalta. -&- emogn-: , - ot .7,:x +Ae i. rt. , vi • sit sil as it then stood, was not a fair, a candid, or an honest execution of the Resolutions which had been agreed to by both Houses of Parliament. For his own part, he should give his support to a proposition, the effect ?4. , hich would be to transfer the powers f the Exe tfitive to The Regent, without restrictions or abridg ment. The Resolution of the two Houses provided that such a portion of his Majesty's household should be placed under the controul of the Queen " as would be requisite for due attendance on his Majosty's per sow, and the maintenance of his Royal dignity."— This ReicAntion had been carried up and presented to the Prince of Wales. The answer of his Royal *gliness was, 4 ‘ that he did not refuse to accept the office and situation proposed to him, restricted is they were." But was the House to infer from that an swer, that his Royal Highness would have ac cepted the office, if it had been still further re was an ungracious return to his Royal determination, that the . •• . l'ixortien ofoff WIPTOIO be given to the name, that would. r id 'be a fair execution of the Resolution. But his Ho. nourable and Learned Friend (Mr. Stephen) whe stated that argument, should retollect that the Ree era solution WAS not alone the resolution of that. bet also of the other 1-louse of Parliament. It had e 4 been urged against those who thought with hitts„. tt s , that their's was a quibbling interpretation of thei,.:.se Resolution—because, as a portion was smaller thao : ,. l o the whole, any portion short of the whole was sum prehended in the Resolution. But he would ask, rl was not this a quibbling interpretation ? Would any two men of honour countenance such a construction?' If, in the case of an estate, a portion were to be givt'tt • to one, and the remainder to another, would st be considered a fair interpretation of terms to give one acre to him who was to have the whole remainder, and to assign the whole of the estate to him who was to have but a portion of it ? This species of quibbling would be a disgrace to the lowest practitioner of the profession to which he belonged. Could any man then sty, that this was the proper construction of the resolution ? Could any man believe, that the clause in the Bill was not a reversal by Parliamentary tactic of the substance of the resolution ? He should vote for the amendment, if for no other ground than that it would give greater power to the Prince. His Right Hon. Friend had-on a former night used an argument which may have had considerable influence in the de cisions of the House, namely, that if a large portion of his Majesty's household should be withdrawn, it may have a. serious effect on his Majestyin case of his conva. lescence. But the House should recollect how far that argument could be carried. On the first occasion, when it was used by his Right Hon. Friend,it had been urged that if a Regent were to be appointed, it might have the effect when communicated to his Majesty of bringieg on a relapse into that deplorablee;state in which" he was then unhappily placed. Tina . argn. aunt, however, must fail to have any weight 'nth the House, whit it was recollected that his Right Hon. Friend himself had brought forward the mtasere then under consideration, though feeling so sensibly for the. e calamity and personal sufferings of his Majesty.— His Right Honourable Friend had certainly been in. • duced to take this course from a due regard to whato • the public interest demanded. But if his Right Hon. Friend had not been deterred from the performance . of his duty by any morbid sensibility for the suf. l erings of the Sovereign, his example in this 'woggle of his duty to the public with his feelings • Jar the King afforded a justification to others in coming to the discussion without such considerations to bias them. It had been stated on a former night upon high authority, that if the case of his Majesty were that of a private individual before the Court of Chancery, the care and custody of his person would 'riot be committed to his nearest of kin, not to his Iseir.apparent- ' and this, on the supposition that the heir - apparent , being to succeed to the property, would have an interest in the confinement or death of the unfortunate patient. But so far from that being the case now, so far back as the time of Lord Mac clesfield„that doctrine was exploded, as proceeding upon the - basest suspicion that could enter into the human breast, and as it would have the effect of preventing persons in such a deplorable situation fiord having the benefit of the care and attention of those most attached to their persons, and most in terested in their recovery. The last instance which had occurred in the Court of Chancery was that elan individual, the custody of whose person was committed to a brother, the presumptive her to Isis estate. He did not charge his Right Hon. - Friend who stated this ar gument (Mr. Ryder) with any wish to spew disrespect to the Duke of York, but really such observation had the effect of casting suspicions upon the illustrious )11111041ters of the Royal Famßy, to which even the t he of his Majesty's subjects were not exposed. He neither accused nor could he suppose his Right Honourabl? Friend capable of offering any insult `to the Prince of Wales. He wished he could sar `the same of his political adherents. If so, they would ; 'not have found those public prints, %hid he shoulik :not say were under the protection of the Admin‘y ,stration of his Right Honourable Frienti, but whiden 'were certainly not prosecuted with the same senile' rity and rigour as were manifested in slip instances, pursuing a systematic course of attack +pee • Highness, calumniating every act, ing every word of his Royal Highness, and holding or to scorn and derision every member of the Royektirek.s mily. (Hear, Hear.) Neither should they have IG , them incessantly imputing the basest - motives 'are many members of that House for punefing on this oca canon what they conscientiously considered theivdurp f The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEIG rose to state shortly his sentiments upon this questiecti I He had waited till that late hour of the discussion, iesi order that he might collect what were the sentinstsitel of other Gentlemen upon it, and that, if 1* had Amer earlier, he might not have felt it necessary to trouk/0 1 the House again with any observations. And fir*/ with respect re the - Charge of supposed though not ins.' tended disrespect to bis Royal Highness the Prince oft Wales, in not committing to him the guardianship of his Majesty's person, he should only observe, that *I they had all agreed that the guardianship should! not be entrusted to his Royal Highness, whetheei that were conformable to the practice in the Comet of Chancery, all that was now out of the question. His Honourable and Learned Friend did him no more than justice in stating that he did not believe him to entertain any intention of reflecting upon his Roya& Highness the Prince of Wiles. Helamented asmuchae 1 his Honoureble and Learned Friend could any limn• tious expressions, which in the public prints might , have been applied either to the Prince of Wales, or to any of the other branches of the Royal Family ; but that was not the time or place for the discussion of the reflections of that kind, which may havebeen made upon any one description or another of public men.— When his Hon. and Learned Friend stated that the Bill was not a fair and honest execution of the Resole. Lions, he must beg the House to make a distinction* tweak the Dill which he brought in and the Amend. ments which had since been made in its pro As he could not know, what Many HouourablereLete themselves did not seem to have known, what Amend - - they meant to p ro p ose, he had brought in his 00..inuodection ail tk.. It , =as, lot this'. parsiotic . A i talents , i iltos :to bs 4givitst under grgatar roglictinos, Dill in a &her eto adolit Of _ __ Of nor • .__ w • it " Jalra . :Al , 7 ,01. ~ . r . t . 7. .• t. % t s( * , • • -, . . . . • \ • , • . .... . . . look at the prottutnis.. - .. With all his, sespeo har the fight Hon. Gentleman's talents, and siabodi respected themimore;ht was con- vinced he could f-Jrnish no plausible defence of the • straw and inionilsteut enactments of the hill. It had been recently aliened, tgit no nssiMbei•of the Royal Tarntly owes to 00 ( 16111dpi is cltoltucon's Council, cute even the perpose which his Right Honourable Friend professed la have in view. The strongest ob- jection,itt`his mind, to the clause was that it rendered the great eaters of theykrottsehould irremovable. — Nothing could be mere. biensive than to place Offi- i cers of that descripeiest lie attendance on the Royal tativon ,by. the authority of Parliament, and not re- moveable selarplessure of her Majesty. To such a provision** sitsald Vrefer the bill of 1789 ; because, I though that measure gave more influence to her Ma- jesty then we/necessary, it) et zsigned : to her all that was properly belonging to her his* ipul.ezalted. situ- ation. He siteuldiherefore give his vote to negative the-whole chest, in order to move an Amendment ' which would meet his own views upon the subject. air SAMUEL ROM ILLY contended, that the Bail II 1099- . were