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' 'O r • t $ 4 ' 1 i * • k 7: BAVARIA. ,-CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES, JULY 9. After reading the Protocol of former Sittings, the PRESIDENT opened the deliberation on the Answer from the Chamber of Peers, respecting the Budget. The Second President, Vox SEUFFSRT, made a speech, which produced a strong impression, which it is intended to give at length. M. Vox CLASEN—I honour the decisions of the Chamber too much, to entertain the idea, that we should depart from them. He thought, however, that the 300,000 florins for ; the ;my shou ld be granted, but only for three years. He'conceived that seven millions were sufficient, the Minister of the Army affirms , however, that seven millions arene cessary. In whom ought hi; Majesty to repose be lief ? It is natural that his Majesty, the King, who, in my opinion, is very improperly here placed in op position to us, should believe the Mini try rather than us. Baron Vow WETNBAM—A German must adhere withjimenes to his determination—That is my opi nion. The Chamber of Peers wishes to prevail on us to recede from ours, but I have no reasons sufficient to convince me of the propriety of such a step, and the manner of the attempt is still more objectionable. Ile therefore coincided in opinion with the majority of the Committee, only he believed that still greater • savings were practicable in a state of peace. All the other Ministers have lent a band to lighten the bar ,•dens of the people, except the Ministry of the Army. jf any further savings are practicable, let them be "applied to the reduction of our debt. With respect to du' Arms let us adhere with firmness to the seven mill:ons. The Budget cannot on that account fall through, it is already fixed ; the smaller sum must "'be taken, for this both Chambers have agreed on— Our proceedings will not have a bad effect, either on the people or the King—We were uniformly firm and moderate. It has been said, Europe will be as tonished that we should ungratefully refuse to grant any thing to the King, the Giver of the Constitution. But the King ought not to have been thrust into this aff.ii --Our gratitude towards him is in our hearts. We cannot requite the magnanimity of the King with millions, not to say with 300,000 florins. But this is contrary to his dignity—The King would wil lingly give the sum from his private purse; but then it would be withdrawn from Charity—Far be it from me to wish this. All the Ministers gave the praise worthy example of retrenchment, and the Ministry of the Army ought to follow that example—this would remove all diffictilty. I will vote for nothing else, which shall add to the burdens of the people—Su prema lei esta salus publica. M. SocHER said, they had calculated the amount of force necessary to enable Bavaria to discharge her federal duties, and which her situation demanded. It was his conviction that the saving of 300,000 florins might be made with perfect ease, though the army were kept up to an amount sufficient to enable them to discharge their duties towards the German Federa tion. Who can believe that, in so complicated a branch of administration, a sum of 300,000 florins cannot very well be saved ? The Minister, from ob stinacy, opposes the welfare of the people; the con sequences of this obstinacy will not rest with us. We did not grant the Civil List with acclamation, in or der to withdraw the Ministry of the Army from the necessity of due retrenchment: The Ministry of the Army will not accept of the offer of the King, and must not suffer this sum to be withdrawn from the poor, on whom it is expended by the generosity of the Kin 4. The idea rif throwing the fume pensions on the Civil List is an absurdity, into the considerap ticon of which the Chamber cannot - enter. Count VON PREYSINO was of opinion, that the Chamber should place the 300,000 florins at the dis pOsition of the King, on condition that if after three years it should turn out on investigation that re trenchment was practicable, this sum should revert to the State. He therefore agreed with the minority of the Committee. M. DIETRICH appealed to the judgment of the Ba varian nation and the whole world, if the Chamber had not done every thing which it possibly could. A further grant for the army was impossible, and the taking a sum from the Royal Purse had not yet been definitely pronounced, and was inadmissible. If the present Minister of the Army cannot save, another perhaps may. Baron VON PELKOFEN agreed in substance with the opinion of the minority of the Second Committee. M. DouoAL declared himself-1. against the in crease for the gens d'armerie, as, with economy, the sum granted was sufficient for the preservation of se curity ; 2. against the throwing the future military pensions on the State Treasury, as all plans for regu lating the Treasury would thereby be frustrated; 3. only eventually for the increase of 15,000 florins for the widows and orphans of the Protestant Clergy ; 4. definitively for the increase of 15,000 florins for the National Stud, which had so great influence in ren dering the army independent of foreign countries; 5. against the proposal of the Peers for the partition of the 64,000 florins definitively granted by the Cham ber of Deputies for the popular schools exclusively ; 6. with respect to the 300,000 florins for the army, he agreed to it, provided neither a vote of credit nor' any additional tax were necessary , b u t t he means re-1 commended by the Second Committee were adopted. M. Bxua was of opinion, that in the main points of the Budget there was no difference of opinion be tween the Chambers, but only respecting the motion, and he coincided in opinion with the Second Presi dent, Von Seuffert and M. Von Socher. He consi dered a greater grant for the army inadmissible. The means proposed for covering this addition without a new tax, were no means, or the Chamber must have hitherto acted loosely and contrary to its duty. The exhaustion of the people, and the state of peace, im pose on the Chamber the duty of going strictly to work. The Chamber were convinced, that seven millions were quite sufficient for the army of Bavaria, either with reference to its relations to the German federation, or its political situation. The Ministry , of the Army have no where refuted this. The Cham ber of Peers have not urged oae valid ground for the increase of the army, and the ground urged for the increase of the gens d'armerie was insufficient, Im provements were also necessary in other branches of Administration, and in many the deficiencies were still more considerable. He rejected, therefore, the proposition for these two augmentations, as from the oath taken by him, it was his indispensible duty not to impose any burdens on the people, without a con viction of their necessity, and the more so, as in the administration of the army the sum may well be spared. We have duties towards the King, but we have also duties towards the people. I believe I may say with truth, that we have fully discharged these duties, and I could adduce proofs of this opinion in' abundance, if necessary. We are now arrived at the point of adhering with firmness to our duties to wards the people, that these duties may be kept in proper equilibrium, and I am convinced no honest and impartial man will seriously reproach us with having lost sight of this equilibrium • • • IP. The judgment of our contemporaries and of poste rity, he concluded, will do justice to our proceed ings at the present moment. Before this tribunal we stand with . tranquillity and confidence. We were agreed as to the principle of allowing at leas:, no in crease of burdens; agreed as to the effect which would be produced throughout all Germany, if we began our career with new burdens; agreed that such a course would redound as little to the credit of the Government as ourselves; that it would appear as if the Government had only from embarrassment been induced to grant us a Constitution. M. MERKEL, of Nuremberg, coincided in opinion with M. von Seuffert, and the second Committee.-•+ His Majesty will be convinced that our votes have been guided by consience and duty. M. STOLLE followed on the same side. M. VON HOFSTETTEN said he should discharge only his sworn duty, and should therefore overlook 'the rumour which was current in the town, as to what should happen to the Servants of the State, who did not vote for the increase of the army. With respect to the army, it had been shewa that five millions were sufficient for the discharge of the obli gations towards the German Federation. Seven mil lions were, however, granted, as they were of opi nion, that the retrenchments should only be gradually introduced ; and now, if no political and urgent grounds stand in the way, they were ready to take on themselves the existing pensions ; on condition, `however, of a further saving of 300,000 florins. No such political and urgent grounds were, however, stated. The taking of this sum from the Royal Purse, for which his Majesty has declared himself, cannot be allowed by the Chamber, as it can undoubtedly be saved. " I refer," said he, "to the particular points touched on in the discussion, and to the si lence of the Minister of the Army then present, which every one knows how to interpret. I cannot, there fore, consent to any grant. I must now endeavour to justify myself with respect to a certain point : Members of the Chamber hold secret Committees or Meetings, or whatever they may be called, for the purpose of securing before-hand votes as to this 300,000 florins. I also have been plied for this pur -1 pose. I was ready to consent, had there been a ne cessity ; but took care not to allow myself to be in fluenced by secret Meetings. I have made inquiries whether savings are practicable ; and from all quart ters, from experienced Officers and others, I hear that much more may still be saved. This I say, on account of the Back Stairs discourses. The saving can and must be made. In the calculations of the Minister of the Army, there are errors which can be pointed out. Such n Ministry deserves no confidence; and I propose, therefore, that a Committee be ap pointed to investigate into the Administration of the Army, of which some Ministerial Councillors should make a part, and over which a Minister should pre side; and I would propose the Minister of Finance for this purpose." M. VON FASSMAN wished to place the 300,000 flo rins at the disposition of the King ; the other Propo sitions of the Chamber of Peers he rejected. Baron Vox FRANK spoke in favour of the aug mentation. M. GRUBER, of Eichstadt, said, the voice of the people called loudly for retrenchment, and here the most. The determination of the King was very mag nanimous ; but we ought not to propose what he ought to do. It was exceedingly ill-advised to mix up the Monarch with this business. But it is not ne cessary that this sum should be made good at the expense of his beneficence : the savings in the Army are sufficient. M. SFERHANI also voted with the majority of the second Committee. The honour of the army and of its Ministry demanded that the present of the King should not be accepted. The King should not be disturbed with the pretexts that savings in the army were impracticable; let an investigation be entered on by a Committee of the States, by intelligent and independent Officers, under the guidance of the Mi nister of the Interior of the Finances, who have gain ed the confidence of the people. M. VON LERCHENFELD referred to the Constitution, and remarked that if defects actually existed in any branch of Administration, his Majesty would be best able to discover and remedy them. This was an affair of the Executive. M. VON SCRIVENER agreed to the increase, recom mending, nevertheless, every possible economy to the Minister of the Army. M. VOLREIT said, the Ministry must either pro ceed to retrench or spew that it was impossible. -- M. GRAP was not convinced by any thing he had heard to vote either for one side or another. He was in a state of complete embarrassment M. PABIT said, the general wish of the people for retrenchment, particularly in the Army, must not be deceived. M. WALTHER, of Rothenburg, was of the same opinion. M. BESTLEMAIER could neither from feeling nor duty assent to the proposition of the Chamber of Peers.--M. STORER took the same view. M. Gamma, of Lindau, said, we have already pro nounced our opinion. Circumstances remain un changed, and we must remain firm. This we owe both to the People and the King. M. KOSTER said, the Ministry of the Army ought to have followed the example of the other branches of Administration. It was extremely ill done to mix up the King with this business: this was giving him the responsibility of a Minister. We have here a fresh proof of the noble and paternal heart of the King, but also a . proof of the obstinacy of the Minis ter whd could d rive him to such a step. This good ness, compared with the inconceivable proceedings of the Minister of the Army and his silence, must ex- 1 cite in us the opinion that this Minister, accustomed to have his will obeyed in every thing, wishes here to listen only to his own obstinacy. Baron VON BIBRA thought, as the Minister of the Army would not change his iron will, it would look like ingratitude towards the King not to grant the 300,000 florins. M. AuNs was firmly convinced that the Army did not require so much as was stated; but he bad not the accounts respecting it, whereas his Majesty had it in black and white. They ought to reflect, that their first and most sacred duty was to give such a foundation to the Constitution that it should not totter. M. CLARUs censured the mixing up the King with this business; but proposed, if the saving was not practicable, to grant the sum, as the object was not 'to cover the Treasury but the Civil List: as a means he proposed a • • • (litera erubescit) tax ( Murmurs mad agitation.) M. VON HORNTHAL went over the proposition, which, considered with reference to the sanctity of the Constitution and the person of the King, he termed an unworthy proposition. He then pre. ceeded to make observations on the speeches of seve ral Members. He censured the introduction of the Kosarch into the proceedings, and still more the de claration of a Member, that he was convinced impor tant savings might be made in the Army; but as the Minister of the Army did not wish to make them, and the deficiency must otherwise be supplied by the King, the Chamber must cover it; and, in order that the Constitution may stand, that we must grant 500,000 florins ! These 300,000 florins, said he, must be the foundation of our fitm fire•proof structure ; but a building founded on 300,000 florins unnecessa rily taken from the earnings of the people with the sweat of their brows, is, Gentlemen, a sad basis.— He defended himself fiom the reproach of having before appealed to the 13th Article of the German Federal Act, shewing the rights which, according to the Act, belong to the States ; but, abstracted from all this, he continued, we have a Constitution, and to retain it we must grant 300,000 florins! What is that but a bargain and sale—not indeed in a public, but in a private concert, we hear it sung, If you do not grant, your Constitution goes to the ground !" What is the meaning of this ? Let us call the child by its' right name. But our Government, our just Govern ment, I say, is far above countenancing such in trigues, and a wish to excite fear—this is the work of ' individuals who wish to give themselves out for its organs • • • With respect to the increase of 300,000 florins, he remarked, that by the Constitu tion, the States were authorized and bound to de mand an explanation respecting all that they were called on to grant. But the Minister of the Army has given us no information respecting his adminis tration. On the other hand, I have notices that con siderable capitals and balances are in existence: they are but notices, Gentlemen, but they rest on a firm basis. From the Ist of July, 1817, to July or Au gust, 1818, the military chest saved one million and a half. The army cannot, and ought not, to collect treasures. If this is not the case, Gentlemen, I re quest to be set right. _ Baron VON LEICHENPIELD, the Finance Minister, doubted the existence of treasures. During the can tonment in France, some savings took place, but he believed they were applied to the general service. M. VON HORNTHAL said the explanation of the Finance Minister corroborated his statement. It ap peared that funds were in existence, that the Admi nistration of the Army was in no embarrassment— Ailed With• and yet they were ca, _on to grant more. . out a violation of duty no more could, in his opinion, be granted; and if unexpectedly any embarrassment should occur, the Ctonstitution furnished a remedy : he insisted, therefore, that after maturely weighing all circumstances, the Chamber could not assent to this proposition. With respect to the throwing this sum on his Majesty, he observed, that his Majesty must only have come to this determination on a supposi tion of its necessity; but the necessity was not proved. Were there a necessity, every Bavarian would wil lingly give his last farthing for the welfare of his King. He touched at last on the rumour of the can vassing for votes and the private meetings He con sidered it incredible, read the Constitutional oath, and demanded that a strict investigation and punish ment should take place, for the sake of affording an example of what a pure popular assembly ought to be. The result of the discussion was the rejection of the grants proposed by the Chamber of Peers. The operation of dragging the bed of the Tiber in Rome, is going on with unabated vigour, several mutilated statues have been found, and one quite per fect, the identity of which is not yet ascertained. The Duchess of DEVONSHIRE and most of the English people, who have visited the Capitol, are subscribers to this arduous undertaking. In testimony of their esteem for the Earl of Fax, and their joy at the recent decision in his favour, the tenants of the Barony of Delgaty met on the Hill of Mains of Idoch, on Tuesday se'nnight ; and having pitched a tent, sat down to dinner, to the number of 65 ; and celebrated his Lordship's success by repeated bumpers to his health, and those of the other branches 'ofhis noble house. A bonfire was afterwards made, around which both young and old joined in the en- Ilivening dance; ,which was kept up with great spirit and glee till next morning. THE NEW MONTHLY MAGAZINE.-.-FrOM the great success which this Publication has lately so deser vedly met with, and other circumstances, it appears that the Proprietors are enabled to enlarge their Numbers, commencing with the New Volume on the Ist of August. It has been justly observed, that con sidering the characteristic of the present day is lite rary inquiry, and that every day produces some new discoveries, it is not surprising that the monthly re porter of the progress of literature should find a dif ficulty in keeping pace accordingly. However anxious he may be to gratify public curiosity, he is mortified , by the reflection that his pages are too contracted for the multifarious mass of materials which crowds upon his attention, and when to the increasing stores of im ported information, the state of domestic knowledge is added, the wonder is, not that much is omitted in periodical journals, but that their conductors are en abled to give from month to month, even an abstract ofwhat occurs in the v and increasing commerce of letters and scienoto; • • - THE EVENING Sfi LONDON. ,-:.••••• ~.. THURSDAY, JULY 29, 18 THE FUNDS. PUCE OF STOOKS THIS DAY AT ONY Bu( Stock 234 3 per Cent. Reduced 711 72 3 per Cent. Consols 7110 33 per Cent. 8111-4 per Cent. 901 5 per Cent. Navy 1041,i Bank Long Annuities 19; Exchequer Bills (2d.) 1 dis. 1 pre. Omnium 43 I Consols for Acct. 71iii. The Paris Papers of Monday arrived this The indisposition of the KING is said to be dissipated, and the Royal hunting party bouillet is now fixed for Monday next. A pamphlet, entitled, The Secret of has been seized by the Government. It pi throw some light upon this wonderful mis, and, if credit may be given to it, the fact by M. BIGNON endeavoured to frighten Minister s the recal of the exiles, was this—that Lour had signed his name to the Convention of `which Marshal Nt and his associates ha( on saving themselves from all ulterior prosecu A The important notification, says the Jour,d Paris, of the existence of a Revolution -try ' tion in Germany, has been followed by a ber of arrests. A letter from Bonn states Officers and Gendarmes, with an Officer of had arrived there from Berlin on the 15th is and arrested three Professors of the Universi: , ARNDT, and the Messrs. WALKER, brother% a their papers had been all placed under seal. GI dividual has been arrested at Cologne, anothe Elberfield, and two more in the Duchy of —Several. arrests in other places are also spc , At Berlin the precognition which the taking is pursued with the utmost activity. 11th, the shop of a bookseller, who was then from the city, was shut up. During the night 10th, an attempt was made by a mob to some individuals in custody at thelan house, but the Royal Guard having arrived succour of the Uhlans, the assailants were and some of them arrested. The Emperor of AUSTRIA, if is said, has to abandon his travels in Italy, and return diately to Vienna. The illness rf the CAROLINE is given out as the cause of this resolution. A private letter from Jassy, the capital of davia, gives the following particulars of the surrection at that place. A body of betweta and 500 persons having collected before the ' c& the Metropolitan and Austrian consul, both of them to repair along wi s tbdiem to the of the Hospodar, in order to prevail upon him away with certain sanatory measures, which looked upon as mere tricks of finance, seeing the Government of the PRINCE approached its mination. The PRINCE having come out the persons commissioned to remonstrate with a great clamour was raised; on which his withdrew.—The multitude endeavouring to after him, the guard of the palace fired upon 24 persons were killed or wounded, some of belonged to the first families in the city. Nigl,t an end to this scene of horror; but the next day number of malcontents was so augmented, th besieged the Hospodar in his Palace, and want provisions at last obliged the Prince to fly for to the fortified Convent of Niabatzina, near Ja , Since then all the sanatory measures are abol and the Aga of the Aly has been deposed. order is supposed to have been provoked by secret agents of sonic foreign power. FROM OUR PRIVATF. CORRESPONDYNT. " PARIS, JULY '24.. " The trial of General Sato:in came on y: The legal proof of his guilt I shall not detail, as veral of the papers have the debates as ;ate ac o'clock, at which time the audience way sus . and resumed at seven. The Counsel for Miss lb nasoN•made a brilliant speech, equally t.redial his head and his heart, in which he Wib :illy ded by the Counsel for the Crown. All the Sarazin had endeavoured to employ refued for him, his cause was so bad, and his conduct famous—denying even to them the wog c]c: proved (facts. The Court therefore nonnuatc: Counsel, M. CLAvEAu, a young man of high and whose courage and talent in defending Cas - L LOW, in the affair of the pretended pistol-firing' Duke of WELLINGTON, attracted general admi All that an Advocaie could do, who had to against the existence of the Sun, while it was . ing him with its beams, was done by N. CLOS' but, of course, without effect.—At elt ven the retired, and brought in their verdict Guilty, the Court sentenced this husband of three vice; the Pillory for two hours, ten years at the G:' (the Moniteur says eight years), and 40,000 II damages payable to MISS HUTCHINSON. The on leaving his situation, said, laughing, 4 , Of A General you are making a Uencral of the 6.1111' t hank %It prtia 111 I and w ment, at its :oucly dew' t he ci • civil a and v than t f e es, to ‘i B di& Paris, A Fre fcelinf Madal Editor 1 to b e • an ape >arty at the Ei lishao y. 11. L. ; .. a im It profe s% A LII mistif,c4. 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