Star. — London, England, 1816-02-06 00:00:00

I I • .. • . valour which had been thus acknowledged, and .to comrnemoratetheailistinguished services which bad ta.an pert - nutted by the Navy, be.was confident. the Home would think the present a fit opportunity-for carrying such a purpose into effect. In Submitting. to thetn such a proposition in honour of those,two great branches of the public service, be was sensible, (and he was anxious to state this) that there were oilier branches whose exertions had. tither been pub- I :ly acknowledged, which if looked hit", would be. found greater than 'the public hid a right to expect Coin any body of met ; yet at the sane time he felt. that some new m.uk of admiration, voted by *Parlia. ment to peril, watt. the triumphs of the Navy,.would • be equally grafearl to the Sovereign Who employed real to the c.ointry who upheld them. It *as a proud reflection. that at the end of a twenty years' war, de 'ugh disappriintoret had occasionally been expe .viaoaed in our warlike operations, from a variety of ereumsetnees which it mei beyond the ppwerof man to controui, yet, so uuezartipled had been our success ihtt ioaicsone great shock of arms had this coil:aryl Sustained a complete and signal defeat. aWhile we' have this gratifying thought to console us, *for which eve were more indebted to PROVIDINCg and the justice of. our caw4e, than to our own superiority over those with Whom we contended, he , had'the satisfaction to see our . history adorned with a series of the most traireendant eictories . both by land and sca,transcen-' dint not only in themselves, but' transcoilant in their influence on the destinies of mankind. If any thing more could be said to exalt their respective mehits; it arose out of the reflection, that all through the war rot the slightest symptom of . jeal - cnisy . had been ma . aifested between thesttwiereat rivals in-arms. He • thought also, it might to be stated as a feature of pre-eminent glory to' the country, that the Goeern. matt hatFbeen enabled to confide to those who, from their habit; and Connections, - were known to be ad verse to them in politics, the fleets end armies of the State, yet through the whole war the stream of glo rious patriotic exertion had uniformly flowed, regard less of all party differences, for the honour of the country. The House • would therefore feel most onxicoss to mark their high .sense of the-great services of those whos e merits were only limited by the num ber of operations in which they had been engaged, and in endeavour.ng to convey this feeling to poste rity, they would be most careful to avoid-any thing that setaned to cast but a shade of difference in fa. your of one service over the other. The Navy bad ihtme early in 'the war, • bee:tine then • it had a sob . &caudal enemy to con —at ; the Army had latterly anon distingaaaaal itself; because the Navy, having swept the enemy trom the sca, had left the Army t o . do on land what had' already been done on the ocean. 'liter. were three ways its. wh;ch • the services of the Nsvy might be commemorated : by cluing honour to • th: who had beets most conspicuous . ip i,s triumphs—by collecting some of the great rehnls with which they had enriched our history-hair by se leetlute some one great feature in each service to re present the occaition in which the power of each wits must sutceirstidly developed. To the - Grit, sotue ob jection miaht be urged, tni the present occasion, as he did nut coeceire that ti the coma: etith would be most interesting to the pr 4casion. Of the three moues, the intereadiate me was that which the H.,the would rno , h decisively (itiject to, frem the dif be ar:y of the tails Mik) it: would Impose upon the standiha ileitis situation, cl seiething the brightest achieyetnehts, to the exclusion of others, which he druid wish to record, as he was sure Ole ; House feel how difficult it must be for such a person to al s, lit re the. scale sheuld end, and which should be the tr,urrtplt thus commemorated. It et.ouid Le roost phieful ftr hies to determine when enough were tak.n, and coasiga the rest to that mass of splendour Our this characteristic to many of those actions which could not be thus distinguished), in which they at present reposed. He thought, then, it might be best to nuke the vote so, that the great victory of Trafalgar might be particularly brought forward, as that had furnished the consummation of - our triumph by sea; as the victory of Waterloo had done by land. He wished the victory of Trafalgar to be thus particularly noticed, because he was anxi ous that the two services should go down with equal honours to posterity ; and because, as the battle of Waterloo had annihilated the power of our enemy on land; so viat of Trafalgar had ci Lobed Ills hopes at sea, arid dispelled and terminated the boastful me. naecs vfhich Aionapis oa had hcen accustomed to launch wein - st us. The tree victory teal frustrated the hopes ich, fromdtis rehissumptioe of power, he had en : testasued of again disturbing the repose of Europe, and the other bad .secured us from the assault which he had planned asgaiest this country.— The one victory hhd .given us shfety, as the .other bad removed all danger horn our Allies. He there. • (Ore wished, in the vote of this day, that that wan ., Sceridanc action, whirl Might lie:shid to have ternsi- Dated the ever by sea, 61304 be comosemcrated as that had been which .recetely cloud bearai l i a s 90 land. - - He had already said, that in the latter p.:rt of the war the traits of naval glory ware lass bril liant than they were (unholy. This, however, only . arose from the circumstance of the enemy having ceased, flora the successful exertions of that navy, to present himself in that tangibl e sh a p e i n which he Was accustomed to appear before. 'But it would be a treat act efinjustice to suppose, that the merit of the exertions of the navy finished with the glory of its exploits, or that the services of the navy became less important than they had been. -The importance of the navy must be acknowledged, when it was coati dared bow greatly its operations had conduced to the triumphs of our army. The navy had not merely contributed to these, by that most difficult and most painful of all services, he meant that luf blockading all the ports of the enemy, but the navy had in truth been the instrument which had midget our ariniesto make those efforts which had so conspicuously deve, loped that singularity of power which England could alone beast, and which, if it did not enable us to be at different points at the Same time, it put it .in our potter to act in different parts of the world so nearly at the same time, as to•make the events which took place most wide of each other coineideoh It had esabled us in the law svar to follow up our operations in -differ est quarters of the globe-with a rapidity and .success unparalleled in history. It had 'fallen to his lot to meet with a regiment before Paris, which had served at Thoulousein April. 1814, which acted iu America its that same campaign, and kid; w as ; • , • • , • ; • igaia In Trance in the following July.—(Neerdkoar .) Ile should be glad to know sirhere instances could be found of such stupendous exertions having been made in different Of the world .by any other power. These, but or o ur navy, it would have been impos sible for us to have accomplished ; it was this, which b:inging with astonishing rapidity. our forces from various places to new fields of action, had enabled us to bear on successive points with the happiest effect. 'These circumstances, considered, he was sure the .House would feel all the importance of the Navy, and .be happy to offer a new tribute of approbation to its distinguished merits. It was true they had already marked their feelings, on both the transcendent oc casions referred to,- and the votes of approbation re. cgscled on their journals, were among the best reward!' which' men could receive who belonged to a tree country; 'but if another made could be found for :commentereating a triumph'so splendid, he thought ought to 'lre added to the honours which they bad al ready conlerrtd on those who had deserved so greatly ortheir country. He thought it would be congenial to the . feelings of the House to perpetuate the battle: of Trafalgar by the same indelible monument of gra-, titude winch they had already appropriated to the triumph °Waterloo, and in such.a way as should most. effectually guard against iti appearing to posterity that the merits of the Army and Navy were placed on a different footing, or that any wish existed to give one an alvantage io public estimation over the. other. He therefore moved, ' 44 That this Rouse, being desirous of commemorating the splendid achievements of the British Navy in the late war, by erecting * National Monument, to commemorate the most- signal and decisive victory of Trafalgar, do pre sent antumble and loyal Address to his Royal High ness the Prince Regent, praying that his Royal High. ness would be graciously pleased to give directions for the erection of a National Monement, in honour of the victory of Trafalgar, by which the maritime power of the enemy was humbled mid subdued ; and in honour of. Admiral Lord Nelson, the Officers, Sear men, and Marines, by whom that triumph was achieved, and assuring him that this House will Make good the same." Mr. W. DUNDAS rose with much reluctance to object to what had fallen from his Nable.Friend. He was most anxious to support every proposition that went to commemorate the triumphs of tbe navy, hut be did not see how they could erect a public mord. ment for which the ,nztme of Lord Nelson should appear, while those of the Officers were omitted who had distinguished themselves in the early part of the war. Whitt would posterity say when they read the inscription tit this pillar to the memory of Lord Nel son ( well merited on his p.rt), and found no men tion nude of die.great services which Admiral Dune can, Admir:d St. Vincent, and other Admirals had perturtnt•d 4>y seat ? He did not me that there would Lenny difficulty in making suck an arrangement as would admit of other names being inscribed on the pi:i ns %tell as that of Loud Nelson. Though the Hunse had iilready come to a vote respecting the mo. name::: to be eft c%il to cummetnorote the Battle of Vs'ateiloc, he WAS sz:11 of opinion (hit they might yet wi:lt proptiety introduce the name of all those sea ()dicers who had moat distinguished the selves in the late war, on the monument which w! have now proposed to erect. The vote already come to, did not to him appear to suggest any reason why this should not be done. Sir M: W. RIDLEY, though it might be pro. sumptuous in Mtn to suggest any improvemen. to the ' motion which had been made, would take the liberty! to suggest, that if the exploits of the Army and Navy were commemorated on the some Monument, it might be more gratifying to the Members of those professions, and to tae public at itrge. At the end of the kit Session. .t. 1110rUITICIlt had been vote.. , to , commemorate the victory of Waterloo, but it did not I appear to him that it was yet too late for that vote to be amended. To combine the two, would be less expensive, and would be More grateful to the gene ral feeling, and a nobler object would be presented to public admiration. This he thought would be the most suitable way of commemorating those services rwhich were universally acknowledged to have been 1 I performed by the Army and Wavy, and with these the merits of other branches of the public service I miet be honoured, who having contributed to the • national triumph, were intitled to national gratitude. Lord CASTLEREAGH would not consent, and be was sum the House would not consent, to take 'one iota from the feeling with which the Monument to commemorate the Battle of Waterloo had been voted. by blending that with any other object. He certainly felt that there could not be found more splendid achievements in bur history than those of Lord Howe, Lord Duncan, and Lord St. Vincent ; but if these were mentioned on the proposed Mona.' ' anent, the Officers and men engaged in the p atties of Salamanca, Vittoria, and the Pyrenees, would, have a right us complain that those actions were not inscribed on that designed .to commemorate the triumph of the Army at Waterloo. He should thild; it sacrilege to touch that Tote. He Was - con. Vincad the suggestion of the Honourable Gentleman had been given from the best of motives, but anxious AS he was that the two services should appear to pow. terity to have been placed exactly on the same fOot ing, as their merits were equal, and as a Monument had already been voted in honour of . the Battle of -Waterloo, he wished that for which he now moved should bear the Dante of Trafalgar, alone. Mr. HORNER, though he had at first felt that which had fallen from the Right Hononrable Gen tleman (Mr. W. Dundat) had much fore!, and came with peculiar propriety from a Gentleman standing' ' in his situation, he, upon the whole, thought the pro position of the Noble Lord the best.. He thought the Noble Lord had surmounted the difficulty in the' most satisfactory manner. Selection was necessary, 1 and it all those who had deserved well of their coun try in the last war were to be named on the Naval Monument, it was difficult for the Right Honourable Gentleman himself to say, how far, itleft to himself, the scale should extend. Many victories had been achieved which were not of such importance as to be generally known, in/ which ' the greatest valour had been displayed. Even the service of cutting gun boats out of harbours had on many occasions called forth as much courage and magnanimity as those greater triumphs which were in ev e ry on e 's mout h. It was a mistake to consider that the victory of Tra falgar was to be commemorated to the exclusion of alt the other payal triumphs which bad ;retyped thei I 1 es of qst seamen hating !be war. The bode ft ...,algae, though the name of Nam ultnrever , Connected with it, he considered to be 116.PraPertY dditctheipliwnehowlehinachvbya. lead be en introduced the smite way he considered the' whole army to parti cipate in the bon Airs rendered to the triumph of hudceddiatintolt; &gni! Wa terloo. Though at first he had thought the gig t .Honourable Gentleman right in what had fallen from him, upon the whole he trusted the House would feel the propriety, nay, if he might be allowed the expressionf the urgency of their adopting the propo sition of the Noble Lord, and he hoped nothing would be done to detract from the importance which it would receive Prow their unanimous vote. Mr. TIE KNEY did not wish to' prevent that unanimity which was desirable on this occasion, by any ill.timed opposition. The difficulty now in their way seemed to arise from the Navy having bean over.looked all .through the last Session of Nail'. ment. Ha. wished not to detract from the metittor the Battle of Waterloo, but when the Monument in honour of it was voted, they might have comsnem:. rated the services of both the Army and the Navy at the same time; and the vote would, he believed, have , been more welcome to the Army, if this had been , done. Now it was felt, the Navy bed been over. looket, when, looking for an action to place by tile .side of. the Victory of Waterloo, it was necesary to go ten years back. He wished the last vote to stand, and the present motion to be agreed to, but he would then recommend, that the Committee should be ap pointed to consider of consolidating the two services, and of blending the two votes, so that the public eye iight.he struck by one ;Rand Monument in eonw morAtion of both. If the Battles of Waterloo and Trafalgar were alone inscribed, it might cause much discontent, and cause many unpleasant ob s ervations to be made. Mach discontent had been excited among the Officers of the Navy.by the arrangement lately made . with respect to the Order of the Bath; and, in some instances, to soothe the wounded feel ings of an individual, he believed it had been touad necessary to make a Baronet of an Officer, who, by the new regulations introduced among the K , ilgith of the Bath, could not claim the rank of a Com mander in that Order. He thought it might be made a question, if national utility could n-o De l blended - with national muniticence, and national mu nificence with national devotion. It was undztstood more trundles were wanting', could nut one . he erect ed to commemorate the triumphs of our Army and N. : vy, which should bear our gratitude to Heaven tor the bl. ssings we derived front their valour, and which should be to •poste:ity a monument of our feelings ? Mr. BATHURST was of opinion ;he step recom mended by the Right Hon. Gentleman could Got be taken without undermining the vote already come to, in honour of the battle of Waterloo; That vote, agreed to on the spur of the occasion, in coissidera tion of the magnitude of the service then rendered to the nation, he would not consent in any way to im pair. He objected to the two services being com memorated in one monument, and was anxious to guard against a partiality being manifested for one service to the prejudice of the other. Upon the whole, as the present vote ought to be unanimouk, and as difficulties must in any case occur, he thought the safest way would be to adopt the motion of the Noble Lord. ! Mr. TIERNEY did not oppose the Motion. He wished the triumphs of each to be commemorated, but thought the two services might be advantageously consolidated. Lord CASTLEREAGH thought it desirable not to mix the former vote with the present. . Mr. BANKES was of opinion, that to apply the same rule in both cases was liable to great exceptions. The vote of the 29th of June, for the battle ot Wa terloo, was come to on the moment ; that is, eleven days after the victory. What the House was desired to vote now, appeared is his mind as a reflection on the mania fame. It reminded him ot the Roman Com mander, of whom it was said-4 , You have no enemy to triumph over : no one to contend with."—The Hun. Gentleman thought that it was not to Trafalgar ..Igne-the HOuse ought to look, but to the conclusion of a war ot such lung duration, grounded on the' French Revolution. In commemorating the Army and Navy for their services, the House ought nen. rally to go step by step through the victories achieved in that long period; The selection of any one, how. ever important in its consequences, was not the best mode. He was desirous,• therefore, of making the vote Man general, if -it met the approbation of the House. He deprecated the idea of drawing a parallel betwetn • the two services. The Right Honourable Gentleman had talked of the erection of a Church; that was a mode exceedingly good, but the expense might exceed the sum set apart by Government for 1 the commemoration. Whafeter was done, should be done with dignity, the spot tie well chosen, and the Column or Pillar decorated in the highest. degree. For his part, he was inclined to imitate antiquity, and was for erecting a Colt mm or Obelisk which might be seen 'at a great distance. Lord BINNING expressed his satisfaction that the House were agreed on the subject, only that some Gentlemen wished to go further than others. The object in putting the two services on the same foot. ing, was entitled to praise, and his Noble Friend had properly chosen the Battle of Trafalgar as the only battle analagous to that of Waterloo. Mr. FORBES gave his warmest support to the measure, and suggested the necessity of increasing the allowance to the widows and orphans of thaw killed in the one service ) sb as to place it on an eq0..1 footing with the other. The Hoomii able Genders:an was proceeding. to slew the distinction bet-teen tht• two, in point of provision for the relatives of the slain, aitd was entering into details, when Sir G. WARRENDER (one of the Lords of the Admiralty), rose to order. He was p repare d to satisfy the Honourable Gentleman and the House on the tubject, when it was properly before them ;' but he appealed to the Chair, whether the Honour able Gentleman was correct in discussing the question this evening ? Mr. FORBES proceeded, and contended that these matters ought to be considered and investigated; and was again adverting to the subject, but The SP.F,AKEIt reminded the Honourable Gen tleman that the present was not a convenient oppor tunity tnr altering into details. Mr. C, LONQ expressed a sinsilar wish. In row . , • . • , A .poet to tile proposition of h is Rooters% 1,t.., • appeared to meet the wishes of all, th oo s t - ,Z ference arose as to the mode of carryin g it .--"' ' ' He could not agree with hi s H 'no onone s hi e (Mr. Bankes) when he preferred a v be Navy, and was satisfied with a Vote to d; I:41 for the battle of Waterloo only. In resp ect - ~,' ' sum for erecting the Monum ent , there wa slots; ficuhy in answering that•question until the had agreid to the Resolution. The Artists , always put that question, an d h e was not a b le ' , tisfy their queries. The fir st t hi ng that °milt done was, to ascertain the sum , before i t AS' mined what should be erected. His ft „ Friend had t :Med of a column; h e s h ould he to receive assistance from him, or any odor ' of ;he House, as to the best mode, and who be the most gratifying to the nation. 1..:,rd CASTLEREAGH observed, th at i s„ solution of to-night would not preclude the idea ' nation.; vroaument. o 1 Sir F.' i ,l-E RCN wished to know the sure . for the m.l monuments, . • . Lora CASTLE RE AGH wasnot prepa re d to ' the amount, which would on a sitbsequ est , stated in the Public Expenditure Lis:. li e het objection to a tOird.monument. tlr. TIERNEY — " But Ida strongly d m . 1 third monument !" Mr. W: SMI 'lf recommended, that in , i don Of the Monuments, the House etouldlooki;; nificence, blended with economy. • The Address was then put and carrieds ne , Mr. BANKES—" I wish to be underst oo d - am utterly against a third monument--(1* Let the two votes satisfy the commemoration traiagance of a third monument I cannot con Lord CAS I'LEREAGH—" I beg to say, gave no intimation of it &oats or tat AGRICULTURE. Mr. WESTERN gmve_notica so.. lit , TU-sday se'nnight move for the appi,intm erg Coinmittee to enquire into the, distressed state lioridulture of the country. i The Honourable Gentleman at first gavel; tice for Wednesday se'nnight ; bat Lord Cast . , ' observing that the debate on the Treaty of stood for Thursday. the following day. He for Tuesday. .Mr: BROUGHAM wished the Noble lad del 'y his question. Lord CASTLEREAGH had no wish t o the question later than Thursday, because the would recollect, until that question was disp e l no noilitary establishment could be filed. • PRISONS. On the motion of Mr. BENNETT, an A. the Prince Regent for copies of the multi- : • the Fleet Prison, &c. was agreed to. • The Honourable Gentleman wished to knee I Chief justice of the King's Bench had refotoof vicious abuses in that prison. If he had sis should, on a futtite day, move for the appoi ~ . a Commission to inquire: as the Learned Ctief novice of the abuses ever since September of tbe year. Mr. FL ADDINGTON assured the H. Gentleman there was no Report yet made, the reform had begun.—Adjourned. THE EVENING NIA& LONDON. . 1 ~.....—... REMEMBER NEXT WEDNEcDAY,VALENTINr , YOUR FORTUNE MAY BE MADE. TWO PIM' 115.000 GUINEAS, TWO PRIZES OF 20.010 Po' STERLING, IN THIS LOTTERY. NOT IWQ • TO A MIZE. TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 6, 1818. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY Al 1 WELYEO'6I .. 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On this subject The Times of this moral , offered some observations so tempetate—so . nating respecting the relations in which this' . stands to IIt2DINAND and - to the Cones or Spain, and also as regards FeRDINAND VIL Louts XVIII. that we are persuaded our • will peruse them with satisfaction. After • A to the opposition of the Constitutional party' measure of the Court, the writer proceeds the: " Without venturing to anticipate eventual to this patty, we may, aqd perhaps ought to why we hope that their efforts will not be wiadi to their - country. It is a sort of party-artifice" , country to confound the case of the King of • c Rich that of the ring of Spain ; whereas II ', things can be more dissimilar. Louis XVIII: twenty years of adversity, resisted every . • to renounce his right to the Crown; Ferdinand. subscribed the degradation of himself and all milyalmost without hesitation. Louis has 5, ., Lb j v e:t t s e dathCeConstitutional ofC htahretecr ( : )rt F es. erdinaill: abolished the Slave 'node: Ferdinand insists° Tying that ssbesmination into the very seat of fence and humanity at Sierra Leone. In shoot Soveeeigns appear to have nothing in the name of Bourbon : in point of am* • conduct they form a perfect contrast .10 e a. cil When Ferdinand'; subinn; were lefts by his