Star. — London, England, 1804-06-28 00:00:00

:ingly endeavour to accommodate the Noble Lord, if he, on the other hand, would affiit him in putting the different charges in form. Here the Bithop of St. ASAPH called the Order of the Do , . The Marquis of ABERCORN afked how it was polliblf that the Right Reverend Prelate could divine what be was going to fay The Bithop of St. ASAPH did not pretend to the power of divination ; but he apprehended the whole of the difcuflion was out of order, there being no motion before the houfe. The Duke of CLARENCE thought the prefent a convex-Cation. of the highett interefl, and did not with that it should be dropped till their Lordthips really knew how they flood. The LORD CHANCELLOR differed entirely from the Noble puke, and thought if the Houfe did not know on what ground they Rood, the fooner they did fo the better. •DDITION AL MINCE BILL. The Queftion being put, that the Defence Bill would be read a third time, Lord SUFFOLK rofe, and was proceeding to urge the propriety of trying the expedients of block boufes, bomb proof, and of martello towers, as a means of defence on the Coati, and alfc to Rate the immenfe erpence that had been unneceffarily incur red in the ereaion of barracks, where the weakell boy was paid at the rate of gs. per day, whatever his work might be ; when he was called to order by, Lord MULGRAVE, who hated that this had sto reference to the Bill. Lord SUFFOLK then infifted on making a dif tin& motion on the fubjea; but upon a fuggeftion of the Lord Chancellor that a notice of this motion would be requifite dropped his intention. He, how ever, entered on t he fubj ea of the Bill, and contend. ed that it was a heavy tax on the landed intereft. He recommended the aceuftoming the people of this Country to arms, and expreffed his approbation of the fyflem of Willing men fouls limited period of fer vice. Lord *ARWICK oppofed the third reading of the Bill for much the fame reafons as were ufnally alledged againft it. Lord HARROWBY replied; and after a few words on the fame fi de from the Lord Chancel lor, the Bill was read a third time And paired.— Adjourned. HOUSI OF COMMON• - • lir EVAN NEPBAIi pretested the Iriga Perwameet Addl. Noma Force BBL Read the get dose, and ordered for the locoed reading en Friday. • The Hoafe, en the mottos of Mr. SHAW, refolved into a Committee an the Inf. Arent Debtors' Bill ; went through the lime ; ordered that it be reported to-morrow, and printed. The Ea* India Poise Goods 818 was ordered to be read a third elme to-morrow. • The Committee ea the Cotton Manufaduren 818 was order ed for Friday next An °MHO copy of the appal of John Charles Villiers. Efq a Member of the Husk, to the fituation of Prothonotary of the COI= of Common Pleas in the Ducky of Lam:after, was prefented. Mr.ROSE, upon whelk motion this paper was ordered, with view to Once, whether the Hootarolde Mentber, by lag this this bad vacated his feat, within the Purview of the Place AtS, gave notice, that he mould on to-morrow move for a .C.lmmittee to take this fobjed inu eonlicieration. Read a third time the Woollen Cloth Manufadurers' Sufpenfio• /Mi. and the Beotch Additional Force Bill ; paged, and ordered to . tse Lords • The SECRETARY et WAR prefentol a Bill for enabling his Welty to accept the offers of Foreign Sabjeas, now in Englald, milt in his Majefty's Forces ; to appoint Foreign Olken thereto; to extend tad remit the fame; and to Indemnify tilde who have asisifed . his Melefty to dila 'mealtime. This Bill was read the Ark time, and ordered for the fecond reading to-morrow. Mr. OWEN, from the Diraftors of the Ea India Company, . grefested an Account, made out down to the IR of Much, Igo 4, Of the 7,401.8001. doe by Governmeet to the Company, Which was ordered to Ile on the Table. . The Exebeqaer Bills Bill WHI read a locoed time, and ordered no be cbramitted for to-morrow. Mr ALEXANDER brought up the Report of the Committee on the Expiring Laws. The Houle was ordered to go into a Committee to.rnorrow on the differetit Refolodons of that Report. Mr. FOSTER brought in the MTh Importation Doty Bin, which was read" firit time, and ordered to be read a fecund time tomorrow. Mr. FOSTER mimed, that the Hook to-morrow Waive Melt Into • Committee of the whole Hook, to confider the AEU of the ad and Nth George IIL ratting to Diltillaks and Malt, which was accordingly mined. On the motion of Mr. FOSTER, the kith Stamp Duty BM was read a (mond time, and ordered to be committed tomorrow. On the motion of Mr. FOSTER alio, the Ink Corn Regulation Bill was read a third time and polled. 1.010 The Houk refolved Woe Committee on his Ma;efiy't 'Waage, relative to a proviflon for the family of the late Lord Kilwarden, In which, on tbe motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX CHEQUER, it was refoived that • fum not eseeeding tool. Skill. (Invent", be annually paid out of the WM Confolidated Funds to lady Kilwarden during her life, and after her Lady. hip's dean& hat the fame annuity be continued ; 1001. to John Lord Kilwarden during his natugal life, and after his decade, to the perfon who hall nest bear the title of Kilwarden during his life, and the remaining fun of Awl a liar to the two daughters of Lard Kilwarden during their lives; soot. to each, or the whole •0 the forehor. AG,NCY ■ILL. moist'. 'The document was feat to him from the Weft Indies by a eallant young friend now no more. the fon of a worthy Member ot this Houk . , Admiral Davers ; and this account Rates, that upon the pro. ceedings for the condemnation of 3t prizes, the pro duce of which was but 863,0001. the charges in the Prize Court amounted to 5 t,oool. and betides this,the charges for agency amounted to 50,0001. more! His gallant young friend, Captain Davers, who wrote this' account hut a few hours before he expired, Stated further, that he was for a feries of eight year, endea vouring to obtain junice and the payment of the prize-money due to himfell and bit gallant (hip's com pany, but in vain. Was this, he would afk, to be to lerated towards that loyal and gallant clafs of lITICO who compofed the 11l hills Navy; and whole bravery and en durance of every danger and hardlliip were fo cheer fully and indefatigably exerted in the mule of the country ; or was it a cafe that (hould admit of de lay, or be preceded by any other objea for Parlia mentary confideration ? It was a queftion of public juftice, and not cf party, and therefore he law the lefs pretence for poftponing the adoption of the meafure, and mull fincerely regret it. He underflood now, that his Majefly's Chancellor of the Exchequer had a meafure in contemplation, for ftrnilar objeas, to be introduced early in the next &Mon. He hoped its objeas would be really timilar, and not calculated to (hater peculation, in which cafe he would warmly oppofe it. It might be Paid, with a view to palliate thefeo grievances, that they had exifted heretofore, but (hould not do fo again ; but, this he confidered no redrefs to thole who had been fo flagrantly injur ed, and to whom juftice and retribution was certainly due. The pralfices of which he now complained, were not confined to the Weft Indies ; he had many iisftances to complain of in the Prize Courts at home ; and, amonglt others, one cafe of a capture of twelve Using boats, by the Ms, on the breaking out of the prefent war. of which the nett proceeds of fide were ' tonol. the charges of court tees and agency upon which was 57 Mr. DIC KINSON fupported the motion for poll poning the Bill, on the ground Rated by Mr. Jervis. Befides, the Bill bad defies that were m , terially and radically objeBionable ; and it was feldom prattica ble to amend, fatisfaawily in a committee, defeas which were radical io the principles of a Bill, and which would be more cafily obviated by bringing in a new BilL Sir WILLIAM ELFORD difliked the prefent Bill, Immure it was formed upon the illiberal and un juft principle of fuppofing all mankind thieves and robbers, and guarding againft them as fuch. He Weald not deny, that in amok every clafs of fociety, individuals might be found, whole condua and prin ciples were difgraeeful to the rank they filled ; this might be the cafe with retina to the Prize Agents, and even with refpea to Commiffioners of the Ad miralty ; but was it therefore to be contended that all were equally bad, and equally obnoxious to fur picion and feverity ? Another principle for which he slaked the Bill was, that it went direaly to tale away from four-fifths of the claffes of men on board (hips of war, the right of appointing their own agents, and this for a reafon that was pretty obvious. Mr.FRANCIS wholly difapproved of withdrawing the prefent Bill, and had heard no reafon aligned for I. doing, that appeared to him fati.faCtory, after the detail of frauds and grievances, Rased by the Honourable Gentleman who brought in the Bill, on itsfirft introdultion, and which called loudly for the fpeedieft poffible interference of Parliament. Mr. gIiNIS explained, by repeating the motives he had already aligned. The ADVOCATE GENERAL faid, there was no doubt whatever on the part of his Majefty's Go vernment, that very flagitious frauds and grievances had exifted in the Well 'lndies, as dated by the Hon. Admiral; but it was not to be conclude d that, be mule the prefent Bill was withdrawn, for the mo tives affigned by the Hon. Gentleman, in order to the introdu6ion of another Bill, for fimilar pur poles, early in the next &Sion, that Government had taken no Reps to check the milchiels com plained off; the truth was, that Government had taken the molt effctlual means in its power, by lef fening the number of prize ports, limiting the fees payable in prize courts, obliging the agents to pay into the offices of Government the net proceeds of the prizes fold by them ; and thus taking out of their hands the temptation to protraft proceedings which a poffeffion of the money was apt to create.—Of the refult of thole meafures he hoped there would be fpee dy fatisfaaory accounts ; and with refpea to the eircumflance of the ia tithing boats Rated by the Hnn. Admiral, it did happen, that a copy of that very docu ment was fume days lance laid before the particular Judge of the Admiralty Cow, for his confederation ; and that Learned Judge, and not Parliament, in the fiat inftance, was the proper loom whither to retort for redrefs, which he was confident, that Learned Judge would be ready to grant, if jolt ; but which, it he refufed, there would then be time enough to ap peal to Parliamentary authority. He himfelf could, however, tell the Hon. Admiral, that the only fee charged in that Court on condemnation of thokboats, was fax guineas each, and that the remainder of the expences were incurred at out-ports, and by expense of prize keepers, as well as by feparate proceedings by different owners, which could not occur if thole edits had been one capture, and not different ones, at different times and places, under which circuits fiances the expellees incurred were as great as if they bad been twelve Indiamen. Mr. BURROUGHS hated, that fimilar complaints exiled, with refpeet to prizes captured in the Eaft Indies ; remonftrances upon which fu'ijell he knew had been long lance fuhmitted to Government ; he svilhed therefore to all:, u lie , her any maruCtionshad been lint out on the fohjc;t Lard cAsTLER EA GH laid, that from the com plete annihilation of the enemy's commerce in the Indian Peas, there could be little apprehenlion of in convenience miring to nor (hips from any captures to be made there. ' flits anfwer, however, he admitted, was nothing in the porpnfe; but he could allure the Hon. Member, that the India Company had the mat ter in contemplation ; and though no initruttions were y.:t f i ~t at, they would freshly be forwarded. Mr. jElt.‘ (Si' mat inn w.,:"l:.cit put and agreed to. Mr. JERVIS moved, that the Order of the Day be now read for the fecond reading of the Prize Agency Bill. The order being read, Mr. JERVIS rote, and expreired his regret. that from the proceedings upon this Bill havingbeen poft pored Co frecp.eutly from day to day. and from the many important objeCts for confideration which it in volved, and the very advanced period of the Seffion, rendered it almoll impraCticable now to carry it into adoption. He had, however, the flrung atfurance that it was in the contemplation of his Ntajelly's pre fent Minillers to bring forward. early in the next Sefton, another Bill, having fimiler objefts in view; and for the prefent, theretui c, he fhould move that this Bill be read the Iccond time this day three months. Sir CHARLES POLE exprelied extreme regret dim the Hon. Member fltould withdraw tale Lill, even l ate a , i t was i n th e Safion, when he reacted how very cuormous and oppreffive the gri:vances were ;which that Bill w as calculated to remedy, and how lousily and urgently they called for Parliamentary in tet &fence ; and he thought, that whatever were the deka) of the preient Bull, they might be eafily te. tuedied in a Comm ttce, rather th-n pollpone till next S e f t on a =afore fi neceilary to Cheek a (cries of fhe moll fraud and oppref fin. upon a ;alLant and merittirimis tit of men, the qtr.,s and lea.nen of our navy. Ile had in his hard IdoCuMents to flu w loose of the moll flagitious in utes of loch fraud and oppreflion prattited by the 'Prize Courts, and P.ize .t 6 nts in the Welt Indies, kaactly czeditale wi bout the clearett teat- CALICO PRI Mr. SHERIDAN rote. he faid, to call the atten lion of the Houle to a (Mika of confider:llllr import ance. He had beinre hint a petition prcfented to the Houle lone time floc:: from a volt number of the Th e Hon. Member apptaletto the candour of the Hook, whether any aflidancelty a benevolent work could be looked for from fuch men ! Mr. W. DICKENSON deprecated the idea of Gentlemen attempting to legiflate for perfuns fo dif ferent in manners and (dilation, as thole in the Cola nies were, upon the fame principles as thole which were applicable to the people of this country. He condemned fittingly the ground upon which the ad vocates of this Bill refted their arguments. They feemed to think they were promoting the caufe of humanity, while the fad was, that they were fubjed ing the letded negroes to do all the work of the Wands, and precluding them from the relief they de• rived from thole newly imported. The Honourable Member commented on the condo& of the MilEona ries who went from this country to the Colonies, and aliened that they did much mifehief. Generally fpeaking, their maxim was the fame as that of Ra befpierre—that all men were equal. Their favourite text Remed to be, that s, the firft fhould be lag, and the lag firs." He dwelt upon the fituation of the different Wands, and particularly that of Jamaica, in which there were above 6000 prifoners, with nor more than goon troops. He therefore cautioned the Houfe againd adopting any vifionary fchemes of re form, which might produce infinite mifchief. Mr. BARHAM vindicated the concs& of the Mif fionaries alluded to by the Honourable Member, and in proof of the advantage derived from their fervices, Rated, that to his knowledge not lets than ro,ooo Ne groes had been converted by the Moravians in the :nand of Antigua. Such was the effeft of this con. verfion upon the morals and manners of thole Ne groes, that the Honourable Member faid they were railed in value, and would fell for sot. a man more than others. The Honourable Member denied that the Miffionaries were at all in the habit of connetling religion with politics. They feemed to feel that jolt opinion, that, wherever they .were tonneau], the one tended to corrupt the other. As to the deficiency in population that might arise in confequence of the adoption of this Bill, he thought it would be well fupplied by the introduBion into the colonies of fome of our Sepoys, whole manners were calculated to im prove the Negroes by the influence of their induttri ous habits—of their free labour—of their fubjettiott without flavery. The Honourable * Member preffed strongly the jultice of granting indemnity to thole who in certain cafes were likely to Coffer by the ope. ration of this Bill, a Bill which would have the etre& of deftroying the (mall Rulers, and it would be need- Cary, in juftice. to make compcnfation to thole who really (offered. Mr. DICKENSON, jun. in explanation, allowed that the exertions of the body of Moravian Milfion aries were in general highly ferviceable, but that foote had abufed their million in the manner—Mr. BARI 1•14 obferved, that this body of Moravian Mil fionaries was in number five (a laugh). Mr. Dice's. sox faid, he meant the Miffionaries in general (a lead Lush ). The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEWER Paid that it had always been his declared fentiment, that compenfation should be granted to any perfon who should be able to make out a fair claim. Al though he was adverfe to the wild notion that was held out fo often to deter men from fispporting this meafure, that if it should be adopted all men connat e.' with the Slave Trade would be entitled to indem. nity for thelofs of fuels wealtb.as they could cent. l ate upon obtaining from its contineance ; he was not, therefore, by any means clifpofed to refill any' well grounded pretenfion. To the propofition made to hips on a former evening. for his Majelly's content to ingraft a chide refpeßingeompenfation upon this Bill, he objated, beeaufe it was fo fudden and ones peided. It was, in fart, prefented in filch a way as was incooliftent with the ufual forms of proceeding in that Houfe ; but yet he begged, that fuch an ob. jeftion might not be construed into any hoffility on his part to a fair application of the principle of corn. penfation. In fuch a cafe as that mentioned by this Hon. Gentleman who (poke fart, namely, where a Planter had purchafed property from the Crown, which was to be fettled within a certain time, and that the fertlement depended upon the Slave Trade, un querfronably if filch ground were Rill not fettled, and that they did appear not to be Co in confequence of the default of the purchatfers, an indemnity was clearly due. If any other claims squally thong &fluid appear, he would be reedy to admit their juthce, and any motion to bring loch claims under the coolitera tion of the 14 , ,ufc,Ite would moll chea.fully fupport ; t as to the mariner and amount of the conspenfatiosi to he allowed in every particular cafe, his opinion mutt depend on the refrilt of particular inve (ligation. After alt that had been raid of the danger to be rap; prehended, and the loffes to be tamed from the adop tion of this meafure, he vas happy to hear from the Hon. Gentleman who (poke last, that the amount of real lois would be fo comparatively final!, and that the danger was merely ideal. If; however, the pc , . coniary lois were Rill greater—w_re it to exceed millions, he would never balance money against the demand of jollier, while he would never put it in competition, of thfer it to Rand in way of that hap pinefs which the adoption would ferve to communi• cate to millions of our fellow beings on the Coed of Africa. journeymen calico printers complaitilog of various grievances. This petition had been .ieferred to the conlideration of a Committee with orders " to re porttlAls aeir,rinare had not u ion thereon.' nfreiiti y 'llleentteifte red. w.arsfuchas he wbut which, in his mind, and that of many of the bell in formed men in that Houfe, namely, that the Com mittee, after louse examination of the cafe. thought proper to adjourn/sae du, and thus evaded bringing up any Report whatever. This was a fort of pro ceeding which ought at all times to alarm the jea- I loufy of the Houfe,for moll unqueftionably no Com mittee could have the right of (malty deciding upon any cafe thus referred to them for invedigation. Their province was msrely to lay before the Houle a briefed the cafe and the evidence, with their opinion annexed, but it did not belong to them to aflame to be the ultimate judge. The adjournment in the loth= he alluded to was, he obferved, the more to be re gretted, as the petitioners, whole means were very (mall (the wages of not one of whom exceeded 305. a week) had expended above toool. in confequence of their application to Parliament, and had alto ex !mulled a rod deal of time. They had brought up a number of witneffes from the remotett parts of Great Britain, fome of whom had been examined before the Committee. The Honourable Member added, that feveral of thofe poor journeymen bad been, both during the lalt and the prefent Seftions, attending upon the Houfe in fearch of redrefs. Their cafe was one which be felt to be extremely hard—(.f cry of Hear! Hear!) —He begged it, however, to be underftood that he meant no reflation upon the Gentlemen who compofed the Committee. They, he had no doubt, thought themfelves right in with holding the difcullion of this fubjea from the Houfe; but in this he differed with them molt decidedly. ' Upon the nature of the difpute between the Peti tioners and their employers, he would not at prefent pronounce an opinion. He entertained a fanguine hope that it would be during the meat amicably ad ufted to the fatisfation of all parties. He knew that fuch an adjultutent was very praticable. If, however, it (hould not take place, and his cape/la tions mould be difappointed, he pledged himfelf to bring-the fubjed before the Houfe in a very ferious way, m the shape of a Motion for leave to bring in a BM' to redraft the grievances complained of by the Petitioners. Mr. LASCELLES laid, he was one of the Com mittee alluded to by the Hon. Gentleman, and that in his opinion, and that of his c olleag gu ues , the Petitioners had not made out a cafe to (tibia the allegations contained in their Petition. They therefore adjourn ed for three months, meaning t . bring up no Report The Hon. Member might, howeyer, ilhe walled, have the minutes of the evidence laid before the Houle. Mr. DENT, as one of the Committee, corroborated the fentiments of the lad fpeaker, and deprecated the claims of the Petitioners. Mr. SHERIDAN afked thofe Hon. Gentlemen, why, if the Petitioners had made no cafe, the Com mittee to which they belonged did not report that to the Houfe, and upon what ground that Committee could Anent to decide the coeltion The Hon. Member deprecated any dileufffim upon the merits of the Petition alluded to without having the Report of the Committee before the Houfe. He had abstained from any opinion upon the fubjed, and he did think, that it would haze been more becoming in the Gentleman to have abflained from it alto; all he now afeed for the poor Petitioners, in whofe behalf he ad dreffed the Houle, was this, that their cafe might not be prematurely gone into, and that the Report of the Committee might be brought up. This. he hoped, would not be deemed unreafonable on their part. — They were oppofed in this cafe by a number of very wealthy men, who derived that wealth from their labour, and many of thofe wealthy mess were in town during the fittings of the Committee, and regularly attended it. He hoped, however, that fuch an op pofition, or its influence, would not preclude the Pe titioners from experiencing the liberality and juffice of that Houfe. Mr. DENT rofe, but The SPEAKER Rating that there was no quer tion before the Houle, the converfat ion dropped. It was ordered, on the motion of Mr. DENT, that the minutes of the evidence taken before the Com mittee on the Calico Printers' Peti.ion, fhould be printed for the tie of the Members, flee. scare TIADI. The Order of the Day for the third reading of the Bill for the abolition of the Slave Trade being read, Sir W. YOUNG (poke againd the Bill. He thought, at that a clause ought to be introduced int it, allowing, that in cafe of the depopulation of any illatid or diftriA, in confequence of pettilence, rebellion, or other cattle, his Majaty fhould he outhunted to grant a licence to fuch Planters as mi: , ?,ht Coffer, to import Negroes. Mr. FRANCIS animadverted on the defperate re (Entice to which the adverfaries of the Bill were now driven, in fuppofing that they could pulh its advu cotes roan extreme conclufion to the principle upon which they relied their arguments. Thole Gentlemen argued, that the abolition of this odious traffic mull neceffarily lead to a propofition for emancipating the Slaves in the Colonies, but this by no means followed, for although the one was quite within the reach of OW power to accompiifh, the other might be found neitker fate, prudent, nor pratticAble. Much bad been laid a. to the propriety of confulting the Leg& Lames of the different iflands as to the means of orneliorAting the condition of the negroes, and t he Advantage likely to be derived from their co-opera tion ; but as A fpecimen of what degree of hope could lie cntert.tmed on that head, and the ditpofitions of tilde Affemblics towards humanity and justice , the Honourable Member took occalion to read the fol lowing 'mirage from the correfpundence on the table : lIIRACT OW A LAITCII FROM LORD AAAAAA TX TO LOAD MO. OART,DAILD AAAAA DOES. MARCH 18.180 L Mr. FULLER Rated, that the inereafe of the Negroes was encouraged by the,mafiers, but was im peded by caufes eziaing among the Negroes, one of which was, that when pregnant females were exempt ed from labour by their meters, they carried heavy burthens for their own benefit ; another cattle was the unrearained intercourfe between the fezes. ( latish 1. The affair alluded to in Barbadoes arofe from a difagreement between the Affembly and the Gove.nment, and an unwillingnefs in the Affembly to allow thennelves to be dißated to. The emanci pation had dellroyed St. Domingo. The principle of compenfation was jut and neceffary. There " Your Lordhip will °Mcrae, in the 101 l day's proceedings of I w ou ld Sea greet felling off, particularly in the camel the Allanbly, that the majority of the Houle bad taken confider- , able offence at a mien' of mine , recommending Al Ad to be l ately fettled. pallid to make the mania of a Gave (rimy. (At regent Use linc Mr. G. ROSE appreher.ded the moll rnifchievous for that crime is only Isl. currency or iit is. fterlint .1 colifcquences frum the adoption of this meafure. The "'1 he Trusfurer propawl, and the A torney Caporal fccooded i impreliion upost his muid he declared to be. that if a motion to take the mastic loos coals:ration. The qualm' was pot and carted in them-padre! this Bill Mould pals these would not be a white man " The [mirage fent to the Agrembly was founded an ands,, and all at in Jamaica in three yea's, and that a limiter inftruetinan from hks Ma)cily, coennionlcoml by the Secretary " 1 rein/1 would follow by degrees to our other Wands. Star, and originally derived truest ibaarefles or ref...MS.4n see the • Clit prsileffed objea of the Bill was humanity . but Houle of Cups:nano. The Agreeably refokd even to take is Soto r ,,,, kkmk .,. pg o am*, toi , qp,r, to h.ive been G ~,. tut 0 ,,,, what was to become of the think brought from the of the Mronbers propokd—' That a mdderatc and tripecitul an- itltct Inv of Africa to be fold. if no purchafers offered (wee might be _prepared, bur cainiiand to repd samit, and to .i. the wall ? death innit probably ; while the Mere • "Ss" that dm lU d e " 4 " 11 " 4 Sts Wic r ei ta r " 4 agkily4 us 1 importation of Negroes in the Colonies, will generally ble ti