Star. — London, England, 1807-01-17 00:00:00

• gelitltudn Calcrift) ise•• it th bad of the prdnance Department, and it was granted. If the necelEty of printing thufe Papers was allowed at that it.rnutt be fill more necetfary now, when the difburfements were much larger, fur the Houfe to look with attention into the different items which compored the Efiimates. .He therefore moved that they fbould be printed. The SECRETARY at WAR hoped that the Hon. ember would be content with having- (as in the la(l year) the Abaraft of the Ettimates printed, in- Read of the Ettimates themfelves. That Paper would, *a he conceived, convey all the information that the Honourable. Gentleman could defire. The Haute! would recoiled the principle upon which the Right lion. Secretary of State (Mr. Windham) had the ether night refitted a motion, conceiving that it would be dangerous to print fuch a detail of the diftribution of our military force as might give important infor mation to the enemy. He thought the fame principle would apply againit the priming of the army elli mates. If they were printed, it was well known that they would get into all the newfpapers, and be a' matter of public notoriety not only in this country but in other countries. - Mr. CALCRAFT felt bitnfelf obliged to repel the charge brought againft the department to which he belonged, for improvidence and negligence of their duty. Ii was true that two years ago he had made a Gmilar motion, and therefore he fhould not refill the prefenr, but vote for the printing of the eflimates...... As to the equipment of gores, gunpowder, &c. for the Wand of Ceylon, it was at the particular requeft of the Governor of that colony that Engliih gunpowder Spould be fent, as the powder in that ifland was found *.o.bkof Very Inferior quality. It had been reCom =cadet at the fame time that these fhould be an annual fupply fent together w;tn the ordnance ;. but this was a recommendation that certainly was rot acceded to by Government, although it was impof-.1 to refufe the prefent fupply that was demanded.' Could it be expelled that the lately of the ifland, and the lives and honour of his Majetly's troops there, Mould be hazarded, by refuting that fupply of gnn fapowder which was Rated to be then abfolutelv necel y ? It would have been too great a lofs of time to feud the ordnance to Ceylon, and then to have fent to India for the gunpowder, without which ordnance would be of no ufe. It might however be regulated next. year in a different manner. He had rnfe for the purpofe of making this explanation, but did not mean to florae the motion for printing the eltimates. Mr. STURGESS BOJJRNE thought that if the objeftion to printing the papers was merely that they *ere _very voluminous, the objedion would be as firong the other way ; for how could it oe erpeaed that all the Members cotild make themfelves wafters of that voluminous ellimatektinlefs they were printed for their ufe, and unlefs they were allowed to take them home and confider them at their leifure ? As to the objctlion of their giving material information to the enemy, he thought it dererved no fort of weight, as the abated to which the Honourable Secretary con tented, and which bad ahead . * been ordered by the Horde, "iould.cohtain the iabole of that fort of in formition whic.b the. Honourable Secretary was afraid of being made known to the enemy . . He could Ent brit. think. that the changing their lide . bf the ufe had materially changed the opining'''. raf the 1 Gentlemen on the other fide, refptding the informs , .lion that the ltitnufe ought to receive, and be hoped that they had now learnt better principles for their olitieal condor. crier .f Meier I Hear! from the atirae Barth:). Hcconcluded by giving his luppcst In the motion. Lord TEMPLE Rated, that his ,principal objet. Lion to tire MOtion was, that it appeared to him to be an indirea way, taken for the pnrpide of pogponing the debate on the Army Eftimates. If than was the • Oka of tire. Gentlemen on,ibe other fide he thottght would have been a more manly way to do it in a airea manna.. If it were not that the delay of -Printing would unavoidably potpone the debate, he Mould beim no particular objeltion to their Leing printed. Mr. ROSE did not fei cloy iltoug aljeaions to the Printing, and did .not 'conceive that it could occation much delay. ' Lord HOWICK thought the priming of thrfc pa pers would be very inconvenient, and would proddce notch delay and unnecelfary expence. If, therefore, it appeared to him, that under all the circurnaances the Papers ought not to be printed, ire thndld not mind the taunts which had been thrown out, or. which might hereafter be thrown out, that they. -hid °hanged their opinions and their principles when they changed their. fituations." At the time when - the Motion.wasmade, two years ago, for the print ing of the Ellimates, it was with a view to tl-,e nee Military Syaem - Which wait then in contemplation. Lail year, however, the Houfe was per . ftaly content that an Abftraa of the Enimates fhould be printed, inked of the Eaimates thernfelver. The Eaima,tes were very voluminous, and there had been already fufficient time for Members to examine them. PERCEVAL fail, that as the Noble Lord had 'begun with flaring, that he thould not Mind the charges that might be brought againa his Majetly's bliniders of abandoning their principles when they changed their fituation•, he mutt fay, that lie heard this declaration with pleafure, and hoped that he would fee a great deal of reform and virtue among them. Two years ago the eft imates had been printed upon their motion, when in Oppofition,, and the latt year, when they were in power, an abttraa only was printed. It would , therefore, be teen, that it was only one of their own precedents, which they now brought forward in oppnfition to the motion. As to the delay, he would alk, fuppofing the Papers could not be printed by Monday or Tuefday, would it be any ferious inconvenience that the Ettimates fhould be voted on Friday inaead of Wednetday ? He could net conceive how the Noble Lord (Lord Temple) could poffibly imagine that there could be a feeling or a will % on any fide of the Houle, to caufe unneceffary .delay in voting the Amy Ettimates. Lord HOWI CK ,in explanation, laid, that although he was not to be difcouraged by taunts of 4 , changing his principles with his lituation," yet he felt convin ced that no Gentleman on the other fide of the Houk j could thew that he bad, fine his coming into office, departed from any of thofe'principles which he had profeffed during any period of his political life. Mr. PERCEVAL replied, that. he_clid rot mean an abandonment of former principles, but merely of tbsir former lint of condua. . . Mr. MONTAGLIE i►as flr dsotnotion, end con• ceived that it was impotGbk Mi. Members to under hand the Inge& unites they had copies to . take to their own bodes. He thou 1n the charge of goo powder for Ceylon was uceWve, as that article could he furnithed winch cheaper from Madras. Mr. BIDDULPH was of the fame opinion, lie did not blame Government for fending out the powder this year, at the retina of the Governor ; but he was convinced that gunpowder could be farnillted from India not only at a cheaper rate, but cf a better quality. Mr. CALCR ArT again ctplained. • Mr. VANSITTART Noted, that h would be of public inconvenience to poitpone the debate an the Edimates,a. a million of money was to be inimedi. atelv iffued from the Treafory for thole let vices. Mr. RUTHVEN Paid a few words in ftipport of the motion. Sir ROBERT WILLIAMS oppofed it, heeaufe the Secretary at War (who ought to be the beil judge on this fuhjed) confidered the priming of thofe pa.' pets as dangerous. Lord CASTLEREAGH Rated, that his reafons for moving this day for the printing the ahltratt rather than the enimares themfelves, were rather of a perfonal flan •:. He hitnfelf, from his official habits. would derive all the information he wanted from the abßrail, and looking at the ellinnites on the table for details. Although the abllraa might he fuffieient for him, it did sot follow that other Geo. demen, who had not been as much in the habits of examining thofe papers, might not feel it necetiary to have the eliimates themfelves. The SECRETARY at WAR again rote, but as he had already (poke's, and appeared to be going beyond the bounds of explanation, upon the fugget lion of the Speaker, he fat down. Mr. JOHNSTONE thought it necefary for him to. repel the infinuation of a Noble Lord (Lord Temple) . that his °Nee was to delay the debate on the Mi. mates. He confidered that there was great room for reform; and that it would be neceffary far the items to be examined. He was fure, that h fate things, it would be either feen that the Right lionotnable Gentleman had not fufficiently made himfelf mailer of his duty, or drat hi* flatemensts would riot be confirmed. it was well known, that in voting the Eftimates, almoft all the different regimeuts were Rated at the fame nuinber. He read of regiments of cavalry, of lid men, and therefore this look kind of fiatentent could give no important information to the enemy. He wished, however, for the printing of nix Estimates fern another motive. He wished the Houfe to fee bolo the prefent Miniary had re deemed the pledges they had biuftered forth fo vehemently of introducing izconomy. Hear, bear ! —Although they might refute the motion at pre fent, he could ffnd tome future opportunity of (hew ing what had been the conduit of thofe Minilters, who,*with all their profeflions of ircondmy, began with encreafint confiderably the falai ies cf their own places—(loudcries of hear ! hear I) Lord HOWICK Paid, that if that was the Hon. Gentleman's motive for moving the printing, he Mould have no objection to accede to his motion at a fatare time, when it would anfwer his purpofe as well, wihout interfering with the debate on the Army Ettiirnatta. He was extremely *aeons, that the conduit of the prefent Adminiaration, on the lane of 'economy, thould be thoroughly 'fried, and that it Mould be feen whether their conduit war-not in union with their profeflions : (Loud cries of bear, hear !) if if it was then underfiood, that the debate fhould not be put off on account of the printing, and that the obje&was what the Honourable Gentleman had lift Hated, if he would poflpone the motion for the prefent, at a future time he would be ready to accede t' . _ _ Mr. JOHNSTONE had no objettion to withdraw ing his tnotion fot the prefcnt on that uncle:Rending. Mr. PER:"..TVAL fuggefied that it would be the better way to vote on Wednefday a conliderable fum of money (as snuth as was necerfary) towards the Ellitnates, but not to vote the whole until the items had been examined. ' _ _ • Lord HOWICK could not agree to this fuggeftinn. When he Paid he thould.vote lot the pi 'toting, it was not as applicable to that debate, for there had been fufficient notice and fufficient time. It was merely to allow the Hon. Gentleman to examine the ciaidud of his Majefty's Minifters on the (core of economy: Mr. WHITBREAD congratulated the Houle and the country at finding that the Gentlemen on the ether fide had fo completely changed their fyftem, as that they who Conftantly tefufed information when they were Minifters, ihould now perceive the propriety of demanding it. If the Honourable Gentleman only wilted for thefe papers for ulterior objects; it would certainly be the belt way to withdraw the motion for the prefer% After a few words In explanation from Lord Howice and Mr. Jona “ns 6, and a few übfervations from Lord HENRY PATTY, The SPEAKER mentioned, that from his experi ence of the length of time that k took to print the papers of the Houle, lie was convincio that it would Oecafton a !rely eonfiderable delay if thole papers were to be printed before the debate on tht Eflimates. • Mr. JOHNSTONE then withdrew his motion for the prefent. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought the return of the Effellive Force of the Volunteers, pnrfuant to an order of the Houle. Mr C. W. WYNNE obtained leave to bring In a Bill to enable the King to avail Wad( of the Services of freb Militia Regi-, meats in Ireland. as Ibsuld volunteer to ferve in England. Mr. Eli/DOLPH palpated Pe die. the n aim he gave yef terday, for Tudday nest, refpeeting a Refolution fur the Aboli tion of Places, Penftons, Stu Lord FOLKESTONE brought up a Petition for enlarging the "time for receiving the recognizance, on the Milboerne Port Elec tion Petition. The Petition Rated, that the parties attended yef terday, but were not permitted to give in their rec imixances, SS it appeared that no notice bad been given to the Bitting Member. The Paithm, therefore, prayed that the dme might be enlarged to Tudday nat. Mr. LEICES TER, the Sitting Member. obferved, that the only reafon Rated in the Petition was ignorance of the fending order of the Hoofe, which could not be admitted as an apology for fo graft a nqietft. Mr. PERCEV AI. fupported this opinion ;•ard The SPEAKER alto gave hit fentiments to the fame died. After which the quellion was negatived without a divilion. Mr. 8. BOURNE prefented a Petition from I. HAWKINS, and other Metiers of Dublin. praying that the time foe reeelvieg re. COpillbet, might be enlarged till the sth of February; and a de bate ariliog thereat, the fame was adjourned tip Tuefday nest. The frith Controverted Elation 1 XS was rad a fecotd time. and ordered to be committed on Tudday scat. Mr. C. W. WYNN'S brogebt tip the kW =Ma Voluntary Satieb Bill, eiltichlew read a fig and Willed to he tied a tine en Talky seat. _ _ IL p i tr. Ohniee an , the Pdsgiftrate of Bow4titet wed 11Wp Ace-oe. heetlitOmeldhaistented V. ti of tikelulte ef the thee oe , I fir ! ewa l • the Thum ord aa ithlab mos eideind to be plated. The-Report. of the Qsalifieetionaldeainity BW MO taken into farther Poofiderethot, and the Bill wasordcred to be read a third time on Tuifday neat, to which day the Heide adloarned. THE EVENING STAR. I. LONDON. A Coustsiti 'Kassa: is informed that, not having been able to aTeertain the truth of certain rumoara that have been circulated refpeding a Military Order laid to have been Wiled from . Madras, and noiviffhing, on anonymous authority, to commit ourftives on a queition of fo muchimportance, his COIIII7IIIIIiCIie lion, as welias others that tare reached us on this (elite, is therefore potlimned intents*. SAT UR t.:AIN JANUAItY 17. PRICK . OF STOCKS TIM DAY AT °NEM:LOC-H. Confab, for psi. 64—Reduced 59+—Otnninm abr. , Exchequer Bids, par toas. prem. • PRICE SI'OCILt YESTERDAY. Bank Sock 414 ' India Bonds, 4s pr.. 3 per C. Red An. 5914 3 per Cent .Imp. Pi+ 3 Per E. , 91 5 +39 huh. Pith 3u Ats. pr. - 4 Per Cam 7Fil Oirnham a prem. .• 4 3 per C .Navy 93++1 Engllllt Tickets, 191 t • Long. An. 17 1•40 10 . Conf. for actt. ictit In part of out inipreffion yefterday, we Ole a report of a very different nature from that Which was in general circulation in the morning. It dated that newt bad beets received -of a battle having been fought, which was renewed feveral fuccedive ears, and terminated in the defeat of the French, who 101 l so,coo men, and all their artillery. Thissruniour (till continues to be circulated with . much confidence in the lag* chars. The news is reported to have been received by a boat, %shah left Flufhing lalt Monday, with 48 other Tails, that had been detained there under embargo for lonic time before. The fighting is Paid to have been continued with little interruption for twelve days preceding the zd of January, on which day it terminated in favour of the Ruffians. The old harbour at Flufhing was clearing out, to receive the (hips built at Antwerp, for,them to be equipt there. A limilar report was mentioned in a letter from Portfmotith yellerday, Paid to have been obtained from a neutral Dane off Caen, on Sunday lal, and from another aetitral from Sr. Vallery, on Monday. But, we have had fo many unfounded rumours lately, that we are flow to credit any reports from the thea tre of war, till home in fume authentic or official thape. In the STAR of Thurfday, we laid before our Readers the acccunts that had been received of the reception given to the Hamburgh Deputation, by NAPOLEON, but without being able to Haze by what channel it had come. We find it was received in private !tutu from tnerehants at Hamburg+, by the Denmark Mails of Tuefday, and we unieriland that it was confirmed by the loft &patches received by Government from Mr. THORNTON. We have our (elves feen a Gentleman, who arrived in town within tittle few days from Sweden, and wio informs us, that before he failed, fimilar accounts had been re ceived in, that country. He Rates that in reply to NA poutow's declaration, that he wifhed commerce to be deflroyed, they anfwered, that his meafu►es would ruin Hamburgh without deQtoying the commerce of England, for her trade with the Continent would be carried on through the medium of the fobjeese of his Swedifh Majefly. NaroLetor is Paid to have re plied—" That will, not long be the cafe. I Mall &only have fomethiag to (ty to that Monarch, which will (non fettle that point." AMERICA. The Ncn-importation AEt of laft Setlion has been, fulpended by a Bill in the Houfe of Reprelentatives, which was carried tot to c—a proof that the heat and intemperance which lately prevailed. has now fubfided. A letter from New York, of the 13th December, mentions, '! that the Bill was introduced into the Senate on the 9th inflant, referred to a SelealCom. mittee, confining of Meas. Gists, BALDWIN, - and bitten s Ls, reported without amendment, and paffed to a third leading." In eur preceding columns will be found the Pre. lident's fpeech to Con;refs on opening the prefent Sefton on the ad ult. and the proceedings that fol. lowed. We are happy to fee a difpolition in the American Govcrnment to fecond the views of his Maje(y's Minitiers in putting an end to " thofe violations of human rights, which have been In long continued on the unuffending inhabitants of Africa." THE ARMY. • I "' The tft Garrifon Battalion, commanded by Lieut. Colonel Corouosv, and the zd Garrifon Battalion, commanded by Lieutenant Colonel SMYTH, are now embarking at Portfmouth tor Ireland. The sd Garrifon Battalion is embarking at Plymouth. The 4th Garrifon Battalion is commanded by Lord POKTAILLINGMCw. We have learned that Colonels CAMNULL and Goanom have been the mon fuccefsfol in recruiting for their ad Battalions from the Garrifon Battalions; the former got Goo men for his regiment, the ad battalion of the 3 tit ; and Colonel GORDO* got 800 men for the zd battalion of the 83d, General Bar, roues regiment. Major &Lyn has likewife been' •ery fuccefsful for the 88th zd battalion. The Highlanders of the zd battalions of the gin and 93d regiments have all turned out for their own -=.~.r r ;h c v s , , .4 • regoestta bay, wk. ibe Argyle Sire and Sutherland Highlanders. - . The ad-battatiat of the 88th Regiment, or Con. naught Ranges, commanded by Calonel WALLACI, has.landed in Cork. • In, addition to the lone which in la!! Saturday's STAR we detailed to be at Iluenos Ayes, we may. now add that under Sir.Samoat. Acuteuty, whole dePination aatkally was to.ceinfoece General BUIS. Pqau, and vette% Would be there by this time, tie. The 9th Light Dragoons. • .soth Regiment, lion ftrong. 45th Ditto. 87th Ditto. , • tVe have heard, that betides his Grace of .Nott- THUMBERLAND, the prefent Dole of RICHMOND and the Doke of CUMBENLAND,,,Wae candidates for the Coioneicy of that diflinguitheti corpb, the regiment of Hone Goardußlise,- , - • . . The' asth.of rebenary is appointed for the hi in 'England, and the 26th in Scotland. The Venerable Arcbbilhop of Yoga is fo ferionfly indifi ofed. th.,c the phyficians have but very little hopes rif his recovery. The CilMMittte, which. fat on the propofed per. m:ilion to We Sugar in Dißilleries. ,and which was court:soled' of "'country. gentlinies and Weft India Plantar; hat been not inaptly called the Barley Agar Ct.mmiitee. • p - • . uefday evening t,,ball and (upper were given by the Captains of the Navy at Pcrtimouth, to Admiral MONTAGU. and family, ,at the Affembly RuLmsAat the Crown. Mon. of the refpeilable families in the neighbourhood wete aifo invited, and the whole af femblage was Ist illi4nt and fationable. Sir Genao a and Lady ,Pasvorr, and all the principal Military and Staff Officers and families ; Sir J. Carrsa and family, Lady CURTIS, and many other families of dillintlion were among the number, to the amount of nearly zoo. Yefterday morning a gentleman belonging to the Stock Exchange, wes bit by a mad dog in the leg, in C.ornbill, and in as !Iron a time after as poffible, Underwent amputation. Two mad dogs were detitoyed on Thurfday in the Borough. Yetterday a Gentleman's carriage driving through th! Old Bailey, rode over a young wcman, and bruited Eer terribly ; fhd...as taken to a public houfc cppnine the Setli , :n Houle, and the coachman was de►aired. Tar ORICNVYS.—No intelligence has yet been re ceived of the fate of the expedition fitted out againtt the Frenchmen who had landed and fortified them_ !elves in the (mall Hand of Flotta. A letter horn Thurfo, dated the 3d ink, received in Edinburgh, antes, that the people there were beginning to be alarmed for t::e fafety of the brave volunteers who, failed again(! the Frenchmen, " not having heard either of or from them, fince they failed." Yellerday. a Court of Direelors was held at the Eall India Hook, when the following Captain• were (worn into the command of their refpeaive fhips, viz : Captain Jaws MARTIN, Woodford, and ALBLENDka ROWSITSON, Surat Cafile, for Cbina dire.9.—The Court adjourned at fe►en o'cl-elt till Tuefday next._ The Alert, Fort E wan, from Mogadore, for Lon don, was captured on the zd Want. The Afpana, Psca, from Cayenne for New York; and the Intrepid, SOUTIR, from Bourdeanz, for Philadelphia. are detained by the Carssatzm frigate, and tent to Bermuda. FALMOUTH, JAM. 14.--Arrived the PICKLIt fchoo. ner, from a crurze. Sailed his Majetly's fhip Scoa. pion, on a cruize and the Morriflown armed brig, with a tranfporc under convoy, tor Plymouth.— Wind N. W. PLYMOUTH. JAN. 15.—Arrived th e Rodeiti, Bean, from Dublin, with provifions ; the Garland, jowls from Limerick, with provilioris , Ddnifh brig Jun' ana, HANSEN mailer, from Teneriffe, for Tonningeno laden with wine, &c. detained by the PLovaa hoop of war ; Maria, Cuwst., from Liverpool, with rum, for the Viaualling Office. 'Arrived the French cutter l'Ellite, privateer, prize to the PLOrtit (loop of war. POILTSAIOUTH, JAN. 16. -- Arrived Hi s M a j e sty' s (hip x*oll9 from Newfoundland.—S a il e d the aa Bomb, with a convoy for the Downs. —Wind N. W. DEAL. JAN. 16 —Arrived his Maiefty's (hips Tausiv, from Yarmon h V t..; itarat., 1 HAMM, and the SHANNON frigates; Misz, and Gates& gun brig!, from off the French coati, and remain in the Illwns with the (hips as per last.—Arrived and failed tur the River the. Almeria, Wm:FL°, from Virginia. P. S. The outward bound Eaft Indiamen, &c. are juit under weigh. DovEs, Jan VARY t6.—The - SsAloasa frigate lag night, during the gale, got entangled with the Varne Sand, lying between Folkflone and Boulogne, sad unfortunately knocked her rudder off ; the was ob ferved this morning about half fees over, at day light, with a fignal for affiflance hying : two of our large boats went out immediately to her, as did a gun brig which was lying in the Roads. With their affiftance file has been working in for the land all day, and a frigate from the Downs took her in tow this after noon ; but as the wind hill continues to blow freth from the N. IV. it is fuppofed the will hot et into the Downi to-morrow to-moow morning. Sea ;mass' came out, of the Downs yeßerday afternoon, bound to Purtlisouth. Patkd by this afternoon a convoy of Ira traders for London. GRA VASAND, jut. 16..—.Paa by the Friendlkip, - 11dsar, from Mogadore; Blsydes, White, from Stockhohn; 4 4 14, Rolf, it,, from Daorzic; and Mercury, Smith, from Pet go—Sailed the Agoura, Lund, for Africa; Hopewell, Warden, tpr Tobago; o we • weitly, for Barbadoes; Mary, Hew, for Waterford; %%Ulm, Hewfon ; Elizabeth, Ruble, andDiaink SAT, kit Debbi. The Dividends now payable at the Bank, to the amount-of feveral millions, come very oppodunely f or an adventure in the prefent depending great Lottery Scheme; and efpeciaily fo fur the Second Day's Drawing, on Thurfday next. Indeed, it has been a eudom, time immemorial, with receivers of dividends, to embark a (mall portion of them in any pending Lottery, and by which many of them have effected a large increale of their Capitals in the Stocks : let fuch retied, that among numerous other great Prizes there are two of no leis magnitude than 30,0001. each, that now fiend at ifue, of which even but a Sixteenth Share (at the trifling ri(c of 265. only) can pruduct otarky Two Thoutand Pounds. ... -, 7 +I ~~