Star. — London, England, 1811-04-10 00:00:00

••••.•••••••.=1.111•••••=.••• a • - , , . ' . . • . !~ mentioned, he Moved for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the gate of parish apprentices. Leave v:a.s given, and the Bill was immediately brought in.and read a first time. It was ordered to be read a second time to-morrow, when it is to be committed, pro forma, and then printed. FAY Of NAVY OFFICERS. Captain BENN ET rose, pursuant to notice, to sub mit a motion 'relative to they pay of Officers in the Navy mrforeign stations. In consevence of the Hoc ' Oration of the foreign exchanges, or rather the per. manent depr2s,ion of it against this country, the ME ' cers of the' Navy on the Mediterranean station, and at Lisbon, actually suffered a loss of about 30 per cent. on all pay remitted to them. All that he desi red, was, that the Navy should in `this respect be put on a footing with the Army, and that they should re ceive their pay at par. This coeiion, which was merely brought for the comforts of the l\ :ivy, and was quite abstracted frini all party considerations, would, as he hoped, receive the sanction of the House. of hHe understood , that it was to be opposed by some is Majesty's Ministers, but he could not conceive upon what ground, as the matter appeared to him so strict ly just and reasonable. He could see no reason why the officers of the Navy should not receive the same advantage is this respect as the officers of the Army. , He concluded by movin g that the House should re.' solve itself into a Committee, to take into considera, tion the Act passed in the 35th of the King, and allot to consider whether further allowances should not be made to the Officers of the Navy on foreign service, on account of the loss upon exchange of mony. Mr. YORKE said, that be was convinced that no • party considerations were mixed with the present ques tion. Every man most feel for the honour and con lolls of the Navy, and in this feeling he partook as much as the gallant Officer, or any other man. The gallant Officer must have known, that what he had proposed was not in the power of the Admiralty to do, and that it cculd only be done by that House. Before he adverted to the situation of Officers• em ployed in the Mediterranean, he should first generally itate, that before the year 1795, the officers, as well as the ship's company, only received their pay when I, the accounts were closed at the end of the year, but ' 1 by that Act they were allowed to draw on the Navy lloard quarterly for the amount of their pay. Until this regulation, the officers in the Mediterranean, as well as on other station s, were indeed ex p osed to con: J aiderable hardships, both upon this accoent and on account of the unfavourable state of the exchanges. In 18,0( and 1801 the price of the dollar rose in the Mediterranean and Levant, and the exchange bad been sometimes favourable, although he must allow, that for many years back the dollars had been above the par, which was 4s. 6d. and even sometimes rose as high as ss. SI in that part of Europe. If the motion of the Honourable Officer was agreed•to, the country would suffer an an nual loss of it:•25,000 for remittances to officers on the Mediterranean station alone, and similar claims would certainly be.put in by officers on other stations., The coninion men might also think that they had a right to similar allowances. He hoped that the exchange would not remain permanently against this country, but that in time it would so far recover, that the officers should have nothing to complain of. Be sides the loss which be Lad mentioned, he believed. that the officers would draw more bills, if those bills were to be cilia at par; and he thought that even the. evil which was now complained (it miglit produce in them habits of economy and frugality, "n hen they " found that they lost considerably by' drawing for mo ney from England. He thought that if the motion was agreed to, it would have a tendency to turn many of our officers into money-brokers. He found himself compelled by his senseof duty to oppose the motion. • Mr.WHITl'..lt CAI) hoped that thisqueationmight be discussed witlanit any couSideration of party. / He' • himself did not wish to oppose himself to the admi riiitratim of the ni g ht Honourable Gentleman •(Mt. Yorke), whose conduct in his department he had al ways heard spoken of with the greatest approbation. (Hear, hear, from the Ministerial Benches.) He thought it was due to the Right. Honourable Gentle-, man to say sa much in praise ofhis general adminis tration of the Admiralty ; yet in the present instance he must entirely disagree with him. If the present motion had come from that Right Honourable Gen demean, he was sure that it would have been agreed . to by the House without any opposition. He could pee no reason why the Officers of the Navy sliould not have the same allowances as the Officers of the Army. The Right Honourable Gentleman seemed -to think that their superior accommodation on board ship, where their lodging and food was provided for them, was a sufficient reason for a difference. He, however, thought otherwise ; for doubtless all those things were taken into consideration when the pay of the two serrices was fixed. As to the chance of the exchanges rising in time, that was nothing to the Officers now serving. It was a poor comfort to the Officers who are losing 30 per cent. out of their pay by serving their country in the Mediterranean, to tell them that some time or another Officers might eosaibly gain by the exchanges becoming favourable. When the Right Honourable Gentle man said, that jlrcbably the exchange mould again rise to be in favour of this country, he must say,. that he could see no su-li probability. Suppose that an ex pence would be incurred by this means of thirty or I forty thousand a year; he was convinced that it.coultV well be saved on some other part of the Navy Esti. mates. But if it could not be saved, still he was sure that the country would never grudge snob a sum for the comforts of the nay y, who are in a peculiar degree s . " the beloved of the nation." He thought the Right ' Honourable Gentleman's way of teaching them fruga lity and ceconorny was rather a curious one: To be , me, if from the income of a man that has a hundred a year, you take away St?, that man is .oblitietl to be economical and frugal in spite of himself. (A/rash.) But he did.not know what sight they had to force peo ple to he ceconomic and frugal in that manner', or why the naval officers should be fined in the amount of 30 per : Cent. on their pay, merely because they are sent tai serve. Their country in the Mediteirancan. The. • Right Honourable Centleman had seemed afrAid that all the. officers would turn money brokers, if their bills were payable at . par.—[Mr. CRotuta said, across the table, Not all, but many of them.]-0h ! then it seemed that the Secretary to the Admiralty did allow at there might be some splendid exceptions oft ffi . , *„.. b .wlao would not be itionc)-brokc (if ' h.) rs--- ~,./ ' - 7 •- - , V- . . He differed from hire, however, in this respect, Ind opinions confirmed lay the Memorial of the Lon dog \ \ thought that very few of our Naval Officers thought' Distillers. The present . meesure must be inj ln theurious of making mosey by calculating rates of exchange : to the trade, and, with it, to the community. their principal calculation of g ain was from takin g of lestforty years, there had been but three prohibitions prizes. He hoped the House w ou ld ,do that j ustice of distillation from cern, and it was always a matter to the Navy which the Minister s did not a pp ear in- of the most serious consideration. He then entered dined to do in the present i n stance ; and he should into a calculation to shew the actual less sustained by wish that the Honourable G e n tleman would take the 1 distilling from sugar :—A quarter of barley, at 40s. sense of the House, in order that it might appear who . gave nineteen gallons of spirits—it took sixty-six shit voted against their claim, and who supported it. i lings' worth of sugar`to make the same quantity of Mr. CROKER commented on the observation spirits : here was an actual losiot 265. on every nine.- made by the last speaker, upon his setting him right een gallons. There were about 800,000 quarters of fi llti, with respect to the expression s of his Ri g ht Honour. rn used this cost nearly £1,600,000. It took su able Friend (Mr. Yorke). ga eke the valee of about ie2,600,000 to make the Mr. WHITBREAD explained. • same quantity of spirits. And was this immense sum Mr. ROSE said, that he felt as nine for the ho., to be sacrificed merely as a baon to the West India nour and comforts of the Navy as any men, aid had 1 &veer ? But if revenue was the object , there w a s a done all that lay in the power of his bumble effarts to 1 more simple mode. He understood, that Is. 9J. a promote them. He therefore trusted that he should, . gallon was to be laid on the wash. A person of not be considered an enemy to the navy, although he I great influence and respectability in the trade had as must oppose the present motion. On some stations I gre at i n that if this competition with sugar in the the exchange was in favour of the officer, and on the : market was done away, the distillers would not be Jamaica station in particular, it had been pretty per- unwilling to pay even 2s. 9d. en the wash ; and there manently 1 e I ,er cent. in their favour. The calcula. 'could be no comparison in the collection of that re.. tion of the allowances to be made to the naval officers venue evith the difficult would a rtain one which was would be extremely di ffi cult, as there were no pay - no w proposed. This tax actually amount to masters as in the army. more than was looked to in the present measure. — Mr. HORNER supported the motion, although he The Honourable Gentleman quoted the authority of was generally in favour of increases of pay and al- Adam Smith to prove, that to force capital from th , lowance originating with Ministers, and not in that culture of corn to the culture of sugar, would be the House. He certainly did not think that it would be same as to destroy so much proprietors ital. The wh bee olrecorn. right to be calculating minute vari ations of exchange, plaint of the West India plopri would me. but that' when a very strong case was made out for died, if not in one or two years, in time, if things relief, as lie conceived this to be, he thought the offi. were left to the regular course. In the five years cers should not be permitted to suffer so very cousi. ending itt 1765, the quantity imported and retained derebly. for home-consumption annually was 997,000 cwt.-1 Mr. HUSKISON conceived, that great difficulty Fifteen years afterwards it was 1,503,1 n 1000 cwt. it Twaseri I would arise, if we were to think of adj ustin g the p a y y ears after it fell to 1,200,000 cwt. 7 of officers to the incessant variations of foreign ex- 1,335,000 cwt. In 1806, it was '2,200,000 cwt. . change.' In some cases it would be equivalent t o an and in 1808, it was 2,300,000 cwt. The wh ole advance of 30 per cent. on their pay, to the disedvan. import from the British Colonies in the year 1808, rage of the country; in some, of course a diminution. was 3,600,000 cwt. of which 1,300,000 cwt. were They could not be paid in Bullion, without a serious i exported, which left 2,300,000 cwt. for home con loss in its purchase. The measure p ro p osed wouldt sumption. As neither the demand nor the population have the effect of 'introducing a certain kind of mo- and wealth of the country had increased since 1795, ney brokerage into the service. If the measure pro- in the same proportion of 13 to 22, as the produce of posed had any foundation with respect to the officers sugar had done, it was obvious that the effects which in the Mediterranean, there was no reason why it had resulted must unavoidably have taken place.— should not reach to all officers, naval and military, The export of sugar had increaset. in a similar pro. abroad. The question was connected with that of portion, so that if the growers of sugar produced more exchanges, and was extremely extensive. He con- of the commodity than there was a demand for, that chided by recommending die motion to be withdrawn. was not a reason for a total alteration of the system. Captain BENNET was sorry to see the Navy made t If the expences of the Wcst India planter had in victims of the Cold-blooded policy of the Cabinet ; and creased, had not the rent of lands doubled here ; had there never was a morpent in which he more regretted not the taxes been more than doubled since 1795, and the want of eloquence than the present, to vindicate had not the currency been as much depreciated here the character and rights of so many gallant men as as in the West Indies ? The agriculture of this coun. were affected by the present system. The question try was not to be saddled with the burthen for the re. w a s, however, now decided by the Minister , an d borne lief of the West Indies. He was of opinion that the down by the weight of ministerial influ ence. cultivation of sugar should be kept within t on that Mr. YORKE said, he was not aware of more than He would admit that the planters raised their sugar two memorials being presented from Officers on fo. as cheaply as they could, but slave labour was much reign service. dearer than free labour. Tlfis was an opinion recor hlr. H. THORNTON thought the question pre- ded by Pliny, Columella, and i every writer upon the mature, as there was another question depending by subject of slavery since their t mes. It would be ob. which this v,eitsi J be materially affected. He there.. sued, because there be a glut of silk and a scarcity of fore thought that the other should be decided before hemp in the country, to say, that theref The princip ore silk ought the present WAS entered upon. to be used io making cordoge. le w Sir M. BUR supported the motion. the same with respect to sugar and corn. It was the Admiral HARVEY thought the House should go sure principle to manufacture WAS to from t he he cheven t apes o t raw into a Committee upon the subject. material, and if any reliefgi the Mr. WHITBREAD declared his intention of West Indies, he thought it might be done by lowering moving the previous question, that the Hon' Gentle- the duties on stieeie for then the people could eat I-men opposite, who seemed tothink it premiture,mioht what they paid or observed, that on the a v er a g e of have an opportunity of supporting it hereafter. He Mr. HIBBERT I was proceeding in his obsei vations, when the last eleven years, a sum of four -millions yearly The SPEAKER suggested that the Hon. Member had been paid to the enemy for corn. Last ye ir the Ihad spoken already upon the subject. sum was seven millions : one year it was ten millions; Mr. W. ADAM said, that understanding the Gen. but on the whole it was forty millions and upwards. tiernen opposite in the same way that his Honourable All that the West India proprietors asked 1`...1i o to be Friend had, he should afford them the opportunity, let into one-filth of this sum, and the remaining lour by moving the erevious question. fifths would, he contended, be sufficient to encourage Mr. WHITBREAD said, he should vote for the agriculture. There was no measure likely robe more previous question, if he understood the Hon. Gentle. effectual than this against the enemy, who never men correctly, and might hope to have their support impeded the export of grain, nor had :stay objection to to the motion on a future occasion ; and this he un- receive our coin and bullion, but rigorously excluded derstood to he the feeling of his Learned Friend. alleolonial produce. Mr. HUSKISSON said, he declined giving any Mr. W. TAYLOR considered the corn laws and pledge as to his vote, upon any future occasion ; and the distillery laws as parts Of one system of laws.— repeated that he thought the measure premature. Ever since the Revolution, they had been considered Mr. HORNER. said, he had forborne from allud- in that light. In various periods of scarcity, via. 1699, ing to the other question!, as he' thought that if our 1757, 1795, and 1800, the export of corn wai- Officers on foreign service experienced any loss, let it bited, as hells s the distillation from spirit. H enry; did proceed from what source it would, they ought to be not wish untry to be dependent on the en indemnified. and was of opinion, that instead of interfering with The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER the interests of agriculture, as they would, by such a observed, that the manner in which the previous ques. measure as this, they ought to encourage the cultiva tion was put, was not eculiarly iracious ; nor did he tion of corn. ever recollect a ques tio n so completely converted into I Mr. FULLER stated, the object and intention of a partwqnestion, after the expression eif so strong al this measure to be, to put the two commodities, sn.. determination to the contrary. The gallant Captain 1 gar and corn, grown by British Planters in the West bad so far forgotten hit original determination, that- ; Indies and here, on equal terms in the market. I t he did not hesitate to compl ain- . ot th e cold-blooded .was in contemplation of the Right Honourable the ' feeling and endeuletion of the . Treasury , though I Chancellor of the Exchequer to depress either descrip nothing could be more unjustly imputed to them in i tion of planters, or to raise the other. T his was onl y any thong relating to the interests of the navy. As to; teeent as an experiment for o ne y ear. It the colonies the,Hon, Gentleman who sat next the gallant officer ! were to be ruined, which were so intimately connected (Mr. Whitbread) after having first transferred his mo- witk the manufactures, and naval means, and the ge tion to his Learned Friend (Mr. Adam), he deter. l nerel prosperity of the country, and the burthens they I mined that in case of a certain answer to his question ; now bear to be thrown back upon the corn and potatoe i he would vote against his own maim ; and after. ' growers, what would become of the country ? The wards went so far as to promise not only for himself i French Government knew the value of coloo them to nies, and but for his Learned friend. As the previous question iby sending every ship 'they could, clung t appeared to him (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) I the lest. Good Goo! (exclaimed Mr. Fuller) why the handsomest way of meeting the subject, he would ; do you not see and imitate what has been done in this engage that if the Hon. Gentleman would vote' respect by that wise and able m an at the head of that against his own motion lie would vote for it. I Government (wise and able he is, but not good, for I After some fecher conversation between Sir John believe him to be the greatest villein on toe face of New pol t, Mr. Adam. the Speaker, and,Captain Ben. ; the earth)? The conductof the opposers of this bill net, the previous question was carried. I was said to arise from country-gentlemaiohip, but it DISTILLERY BILL. I might, perhaps, be more appropriately desi g nated Sir JOHN SINCLA IR regretted the appearance ' Jewishshipeviz. that theymightget their Arra per Aria. of tee House when a Bill of such importance was to : Lord BINNING observed, that notwithstanding come on. The measure would probably be unpro- all the gloomy predictions of the opposers of this Bill, dective to the revenue, but would certainly be injini. at the time the measure of 1808 was brought forward, ors to the farmer. About 500,000 quarters of barley , the enterprise el farmers had not declined ; and there-, were used in the distilleries ; this would be thrown ' fore he was of opinion, that the fears di of t whesehonoper r- Lack on the };rowers and the country be so far a loser. able false p ro p hets were tt be receiveth consid The grains applied to the feeding of cattle would be able caution. This measure, as well as that, was Inst. The very manure of those cent! was worth founded on the fact of a large importation of corn. more than £2,5,010 a year; that would be lost, and No man felt more strongly than he did the claims of no equivalent would be given to the country gees a theWest-India Proprietors o n the j ustice ot that House, precarious tee, hard to be collected, and of no greater He was persuaded they ought to he let into a corn amount et last than tit* revenue which was now to petition with the foreign crn-ri imp er orter. y Anbut average he thrown away. 1 of 301. was a considerable pce f barle • Mr. WILLIAM•SMITH had found his former was much more fa.vourable to , the fauna than its. to • the sugar planter. Fik dig not thin) drat Ike bailer growers had much reason to complain ; and be was of opinion that the measure ought to have a trial. Sir J. NEWPORT deprecated any interference with the agriculture of the cou^i!y. Mr. ROSE supported the Bill. Mr. WESTERN opposed it, on the ground that it I was brought in not to give the sugar a fair conapeti. 1 Lion with grain, but to force it into consumption. i The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER • denied that he had any partiality for sugar more than for grain ; indeed, in a political view, he might rather be accused of favouring the grain, agi it Was more pro. • doctive to the revenue. He denied that this measure would have only tke erect c f wasting our money--oa the contrary, it went to save grain for the consump. tion of man; it went to encourage our colonies, to en. crease our seamen, and assist our navy. These were the political considerations which he bad, in his own mind, balanced against the loss to the revmue cl which this measure might possibly be productive. He should be ashamed to say another word upon a sub. ject which had beenalready so often and amply ,iis. cussed. Mr. MARIVIAT defended the bill, and denied that it went in the least degree towards the diatom 1 ragernent of agriculture. - It he had any bias, it ought to he rather against the hill, because be was a I n a. ' bolder, and not a West-India proprietor. i . The House then divided— ', For the recommittal 66—Against it 31—Majority 35. Oil our return, we found the House in a Commit tee on the Bill, which it went through, after a demi story conversation on Cali clause with respect to Ireland, ' between Sir. J. Newport, the Chancellor of the Et. chever, Mr.W. Smith, Mr. Grattan, Mr. Rose, Mr. Curwen, and Mr. Fuller. CUSTobt DIM= Upon the motion of Mr. ROSE, the Haase went into a C 0.11.- *slue. to consider the Act relative to Duties upon Customs; and be then proposed certain Resolutions, altering the duties *pot fattens, increasing the duties upon foreign linens, and akeni.g the time of commencement of certain other duties. I Th e House resumed, and it was ordered, that the Report he rocefft4 to-morrow. GRAIN AND WIN! IMPORTATIONS. iUpon the motion of Mr. 14ORNE.R, the following Papers were ordered to be presented to the House : A return of the average prises of Wheat for 1810, diatinguishiag Scotland from England and Wales. Otn account of the quantity of Grain, Malt, Meal, and Flour, et ported from Great Britain in 1810, distinguishing the ports from and to which the exports were made. An account of the quantity of these same articles imported into Great Britain, distingulehing the foreign countries wont which tie importations were made. An account of the number of Licences granted in illiO, for the importation of gra'n Item &reign parts. An account of the quantities of Wine exported in 1808, 1809,aal 1810, distinguishing each year. Adjourned at twelve o'clock, till to-mortow. Tri iN EN 1N G sTA it. LONDON. WEDNESDAY. APRIL 10. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. Cnnents, money, ai--forOccount. 631. Reduced, ex. div. 64-4 per Cent. ex. dtv. PO}{. Navy S per Cent. 970--Exch. Bile, fa. to 76. prem. Be* Sea. prem. ••••••••••••‘/A N wlvl3Solt CASTLR, APRIL 10, is The Kra continues to go on fAvourably. .(Signed) " U. SAILLIR. " W. uzsramot." The following notice of the Irish Loan was rester. dAy stuck up in the Stock Exchange : t.otin of two miilions Irish for the service of the year 11111, to be bid fur at the Chancellor of the Ezebequer'. Chambers, in the Treasury, Dublin, on Friday, A prfll9, 1911 . For each £lOO subscribed will be given £l2O capital in the St per Cent. Stock. Interest thereon to comtuelce on .the 25fh,December,181 0 ; to be didholiasted with the present 1} per cents. and the proposal of else person ueering to take the ks.: quhmity of Treasury .Bins (ittaling interest at the tate of f go: cent. from the 25th March, 1811), payable in four years, will be accepted. if it be not more than a sum to be mentioned in a paper previously sealed up.' The Subscribers to receive re eipts in Leg. land—a deposit to be made on the day of 'bidding of £lOO,OOO In the Bank of Ireland, for making good the contract, subject to the approbation of Parliament. The payments to be made u fotlowi .0 oon t!te 19th April. £lO 0 27th Sept. 10 0 26111 10 1.141 Nov. IS 0 tub Dee. IS 0......" 74 lin. ISIL -- 5 0 4th May. 7 10 25th do. '1 10 24tb"JUDe. 10 0 25ds July. 10 0 - Vida August. AU interest on this loan payable at the Bank tai Ireland. Yesterday a Court of Directors was held at the East India House, when Capt. BUTLIn was sworn into the command of the shipNV illiam Pitt,consignedto Bengal. —The Court adjourned at six o'clock till this day. We have received French papers to the 4th inst. They contain the official Bulletin of the battle of Barrow. Though this detailed account abounds with false statements, it is not so complete a misrepresen• tation of the action as the first short notice given of it by. the Monileur was. The death of Gen. RousSEAX land the taking of Gen. RUFFIN are mentioned ; and the loss of the Eagle is alinded to, though evidently with much reluctance, and an apology for that dis. I aster. The loss of the French in killed, wounded, and prisoners, is acknowledged to have been 1500 1 men ; but that of the. allies is roundly estimated at 1.4.000. I: is asserted that `'ac=res took three standards, four field pieces, and 720 prisoners. The loss sus• tained by the Spanish corps during the expedition has perhaps afforded a ground for this assertion. MASK LANE.—This day the market has not many fresh a• - -• rats of Wheat, nor much on hand; owing to the late fell r c ,, . , • Of Flour, there is so little demand, that sales give way hi pn Barley in extreme short supply, and again dearer—White Pa this week 3a.and 4s. lower, stud very few buyers—Brans of k 0 kiwi scarcely at last prices—New:licks 325. to 321.-o..ts tate arrived in abundance, which causes this trade to be again vot,d cheaper. Flour without variation. Pirstervn-Dock, APRIL it.—The GROWLIR gun-brig sent/ boat on shore about an hour after peer last evening ; ste sloes dayi Own 1.1,h0n. Her dispatches were forwarded from fal. mouth on Saturday evening. The Onowtsit, on saturday oar nine; of Scilly, paled a convoy of merchantmen and light trarr ports, Which had sailed from Lisboa a fortnight previous to he departure, and had not been'able to makes better proe es. m ac. count of contrary winda,--Arrkired the BOTNI. 9$ guns. fro' Portsmouth.--bailed the ORRSTRI sloop of war, for Cork.— Wind N.E. Porragotyrn, Aratt. 9.—Arrived his Majesty's ship GA 4' NLT PIERSIAN front a crone. The AFRICAN Wagslra her costray ou She arrival of the Tattnte sloop of war trots It' Lawns. the convoy for tl„e Dowits appear to be s tirring, t'Ll the wind not being bptter ‘litt North, tt is not warned ttL: will sell to-night. LONDON: Printed and rubliebedby tvst. K or, at t Sro Or ict i No. l b Carepttreet, mod at abis OS" TosPie U"' .. I Tri iA U 7!".7 .