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• . . • - • and Captain Sanden ? A. He had hea tain Sanden, that the Dike had screwe very hard, but he never understood as ) of the business. They settled it amon , I had nothing more than a bill of £2O by Mr. Cockayne.—Q. Does witness more about this bargain ? A. No. came to me, applying for places. Clarke, but did nothing more be frightened.—Q. Pray have you any i to this transaction ? A. No. I dest papers respecting it. I called on Mr told me that there had been a territ the Duke was very angry, and she burn all the letters that I had froni did.—Q. Did you not burn some of since you were summoned to attend d s No. I had none, except four lette Clarke, which I have now in my poci , do not relate to this business. f t . I (Examined by Mr. LITTLETON.) Q dine or supwith Mrs. Clarke at the tir don was pending ? A. Yes, I have si twice.—Q. Did you ever hear from het of York knew of those transactions ? talked to me upon that subject, but al • it was a very delicate Matter for her - :things to the Duke of York.—Q. Di articular difficulties ? A. Yes ; she . Duke of York was at that time so wa eel. Gordon, nd she herself so watched _ flood , that ;Ite could hardly get any tl . (Examined by Mr. BERESFORD.) Q were they that you destroyed ? A I ber. I had many letters from Mrs. 1 bad no particular business to write 1 Q. -I ask the witness distinctly, to s stroyed - thosepapers ? A. Mrs. Clarke • • these papers, when my wife was pre me, that if I did not destroy them, I be brought to the place where I now I to be. ."1 loud laugh.] Examined by Mr. CROAKER.-.-Q. I received any remuneration for the pas Itransaction ? A. Not a shilling. J ' I had been brought to him by Mr. C he put his name on, and returned his • i he put his name on it ? Because it I do it, as the bill was made payable tt Did he witness owe Mr. Cockayne a ~. time, or what obligation was it that ' i which induced him to give up th, i thought, upon that transaction, Mr • entitled to a half of the money, and • he might as well keep the bill. MI so accordingly, and told the witness t with great generosity, and that he obliged to him. Examined'hy Mr. SHERIDAN.—Q. express any apprehension of the thir ears of the Duke of York ? She sail heard something about the transacti( -angry.—Q. Does he recollect any p Batton on the subject at the time that ti ped with Mrs. Clarke ? A. The fir as well an stipi.. with Mrs. Clarke 0 gentlemen in-the-company, and soon transaction was introduced. They bad already received 5001. and Mr They laughed at the witness almost evening for giving' the bill to Mr. Did they allude to any other tranpc nature ? A. No. The principal sub tion and merriment seemed to be th parted with the bill in the manner hi —Q. Did you 'knew who the Gent One of them I saw the second time and Mrs, Clarke introduced me to little man with the loud tion that I sa (a laugh) I don't think he was there —Q. What was the name of the ger I Mr. Clarke introduced the witness ? it was Mellish; the , Member, who I the House. (A loud laugh,).—Q. Cal second gentleman ? A. The little n nose was a very plain man, but I sl prised it he was a Member also.—c other gentleman the second time yi A. Yes, there was a third gentle= told me he was the writer cif a new he would take care other. Ido not was his name, or the paper he wrote newspaper writer appear acquaints, gentleman ? A. 0 yes ! He ;mine and shook hands with Mr. Mellish. ; , • After Mr. Corti had withdrawn, l and said, that he thought he must be Member for Middlesex ; he flatterer Honourable Gentleman (Colonel I indulge him with asking him a que jest to clear himself. Mr. MiLLssit was then asked 1 1 whether he ever supped at Mrs. Clat with Mr. Corrii• He anOiereel th been at her house in the -course of hii Mr. CORRI was then called in 'agA LISH placed himself near the bar, an ness to be asked whether he had eve ' ' Clarke's ? A. No ; Mrs. Clarke i • gentleman's name was Mellish : a I cannot help that. Mr. CORRI was then asked by tl %tram, could he describe the figure non, who was said to be a newspap was a man of sallow complexion, c 1 1 dressed, very ugly, and did not al:if lishtnan. Examined by Mr. BERESTORD.— witness remember whether his na ' A. I do not remember at all wity thick it was *a foreign name.—c A. I believe he did a little, I am did, it was on the left side. He ti ;ravelled a good deal, that he had i . the West Indies, and he spoke to i about Scotch music. • In reply to questions from ( I said that the Gentleman did not 4 ' sling, and he did not know whedt• - - - aiele,TheTinws, or the MorniagPast 1 i . He was pretty sure it was one of t - • -.Examined .by Mr. SHERMAN. 4 , 4 0 9 to believe that Finnerty w • iltir4 Gentleman ?A. None.—c .. • q piroon of Mr. Finnerty 1 A. N, . ow o f 4he won alluded to wa! 1 . s. . .., _ ms s Mr. Doat'Eß Wei the mit wittrss, and was first A. Ido not ; but T. remember I went to the Office, and from Cap- examined by Mr. WARDLE. when one of the clerks put in some questions from a ed them down Mr. Dowler stated, that he was Commissary to printed paper, which I answered in writing. O. In ny thing more Lisbon, and kad been in the Commissariat Depart- what situation in the Commissariat were you employ. .ing themselves. I ment five years. That he had purchased his lace of ed before you went to Portugal ?—A. Assistant Com al2oo brought me Mrs. Parke, andthathe had given 10001. for it. That missary of Stores under Mr. Bullock, Commissary know nothing I she had engaged to procure at for him ; that he-had General to the expedition to Buenos Ayres. Several people no other possible interest, and had made no applica- Examined by Mr. BOOTLE. - - I told Mrs. cation through any other channel ; that no one had- Q. Before you were in the Commissariat Depart because ,I was applied for him to any other quarter; that Mrs. Clarke' ment, what was your situation in life ? A. For a long papers relative had procured him the situation by her sole influence; time after my father retired from business into the toyed all the that he had in consequence paid her the thousand country, I was supported by his liberality. rs. Clarke; she pounds as agreed upon; that he was well known to, Examined by ,the CHANZELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. ble noise, that f many Gentlemen in the House ; that he knew Cap- • Q. Did you not follow the business of a stock bro• desired me to tain Huxley Sandon and Colonel French, and saw ker ? A. Sometime in the year 1800 or 1801 Idi 3. in her, which I I them pay five hundred pounds in his presence to Mrt. V. Why,did you quit the profession of a stock broke? i' these papers Clarke, for the levy. A. Because I was urged to do so by my father.—Q. this House ?A. 1 Mr. HUSKISSON put some questions to him with Was it not the embarrassment of your circumstances ers from Mrs. ( respect to the date of his appointment, to which he which obliged you to quit the alley ? A. I was in let, and which , replied in substance that be had possessed it about vited to stay. in the Stock-Exchange by some of the 1 five years, an d hoped , that during that time he had most respectable characters% it, but my father would conducted hi mself so as to merit the approbation of not let me.—Q. Did you pay all your debts ? (41 tall ; Ministers (to this Mr. Huskisson signified his assent). ;to order, whkh was over-ruled)—A. I paid my last 1 He proceeded to state that the office of Commissary I shilling, and involved myself considerably afterwards. i was in the sift of the Treasury, and that he 'could I Q. Did you pay all your differences ? A. I de take upon himself most positively to say a .that no ap- ' livered in all my books to the Committee, and as plication had beet made for him to any other quarter, ; there were unsettled accounts in them with other but that heowed the appointnsent wholly to Mrs. Clarke. 1 members of the Stock Exchange, I cannot exactly say —Q. What was the distance of time between the how my Alifferences were settled.—Q. Do you recol. money being paid to Mrs. Clarke, before you obtai,ned lect at what period it was that you left the Stock Ex the appointment to the Commissatiat I A. Ido not Change ? A. It was some time near about the failure perfectly recollect ; bat I think it might be about of Messrs. E. P. Solomons and Co.—Q. Had you lent three months. ' any money to Mrs. Clarke previous to your leaving Q. by Mr. Wntrasnan.—At what time was it that the Stock Exchange ?A. I believe not.—Q. Do Mr. Burnell notified to you that your appointment , you recollect the first time that you gave or lent was in a train of progress through the Treasury ?A. money to Mrs. Clarke ?A.I do not.—Q. Had you I cannot now distinctly state, but I think it was not any security for the sums of money which you lent to morethalf a very few days before I received my ap- Mrs. Clarke ? A. I had not.—Q. Did you take any pointment.—Q. From whose hands did you receive memorandums of the sums you lent to her ? A. I your commission, orthe instrument of year appoint- I did not.—Q. You have stated, that you arrived from meat ?A. I cannot exactly recollect whether ,-called 1 Portugal so late as Thursday last. Have you seen at Mr. Burnell's office for it myself, or whetherl diej Mrs. Clarke since then ? A. Yes, on Sunday last , rested a friend to' call for, me. and to-day in the witness's room —Q. Relate what Q. By Mr. Alderman Comes.--I wish to know j passed between you on Sunday ? A. I lamented to whether you have ever stated that you received your 1 Mrs. Clarke that this business had come out ; and appointment in the Commissariat' through any'other I said, I hoped I should not be called as a witness be interest than that of Mrs. Clarke ? A. /fever. I have fore the House. said I bought it ; but it was a subject that Inever Qby Sir ARTHUR PIGOTT...-Q. Can you positively liked to talk npon.—Q. Was not your father acorn- assert, that Sir Brook Watson never solicited the ap mon Councilman for the ward of which the late Sir pointment for you ?A. 1 have every reason to believe Brook Watson was Alderman ?A. He was.—Q. 1 that he never did.-.-Q. I wish to know whether you Do you remember soon after receiving your 9ppoint- 'have always and uniformly said you owed your ap ment that I met you at the top of CockTur-street in ' pointment to Mrs. Clarke ? A. I was never forward the Hay Market ? A. Ido recollect something of I to mention the subject, but when I did mention it, I the circumstance, but I cannot exactly say what pas- I always said I bought my commission, without men sed on the occasion. I tioning of whom.—Q. Do you' think that you might Q. Do you recollect my congratulating you on I ever have said, that you owed your appointment to your appointment, and asking w he ther you had not Sir Brook Watson ? A. Ido not think I ever did.— obtained it by the interest of Sir Brook Watson, to The witness was ordered to withdraw. which you answered that you had obtained it by his Mr. LEYCESTER and Mr. CALCRAFT said interest ? A. I recollect your congratulating me on a few words on point of order; and Mr. WARDLE the appointment, but I have no recollection that Ear proceeded to inquire of the Secretary of the Treasury Brook Watson was named. 'What passed between (Mr. Huskisson) if he recollected any application of Mr. Combe and myself on that occasion was very Mr. Manley, or of the last witnesss at the bar, to the slight. He was on horseback and lon foot. and I Treasury to be appointed to the Commissariat De remember his le , parrment ? the middle of the Mr. ADAM said a few words on point of order. very few words passes Ilk. 1108 E, thought that, if there were any minutes Q. (by Mr. :: i taint of the transaction at the Treasury at the time, Clarke as pizcir t was not likely they could be obtained without some length of years t delay and difficulty, as in all probability they would Mrs. Clarke give be in the hands of the executors of the late Mr. Pitt. Duke of York via; Lord HENRY PETTY thought that any delay ing money for vas to be deprecated, and therefore he hoped the pointments ? A. Honourable Secretary would afford the House all the that his Royal ' present information on the question proposed to him —Q. Do you res by the HonoUrable Member that was in his power. your appomtmer ' Mr. HUSKISSON (in reply to the question, which postulated with TY was read from the Chair) said, that he did not recol actions with Cok lest any application having been made to the Trea don ? A. •It %VAs sury on either occasion. the usual course of such expostulated with appointments was, that an application was made ei imPrOPrier.Y.of her ther to the First Lord of the Treasury or the Chan and Captain Sandon, why did you afterwards bargain cellor of the Exchequer, either by letter or verbally, with her yourself in a way that was equally reprehek, and a minute was made of the application in a private sible ?A. Because Mrs. Clarke's pecuniary distressont emorandurn book. It probably would not be found that moment were very pressing ; and I thought that these memorandum papers had been preserved. the appointment would torever Mere remained a .In answer to a question from Mr. Wardle, whether in my own breast, which, bat tbr the eseriry some traces of the recommendation might not probe has taken place in the House' this evtniogo,tt .c.._ .. Aily bly be found against the next meeting of the House ? should.—Q. Have the goodness to` sekte tethillonse The Honourable Member replied, he did not think what passed between you and len. Clarke when you the most diligent search could trace it to its origin. expostulated with her on the .subject of her trAnsac- Q. Do you recollect Mr. Adam being appointed a tions concerning Colonel French's levy.? A. I stated Commissioner of Lottery ?—A. Yes, in the time of to Mrs. Clarke, that I was afraid the matter might be Mr. Pitt, to whom he was Private Secretary. made public ; and I told her that she ought to have Mr. IIUSKISSON here -said that he would make a regular payment from his Royal Highness, instead every , possible exertion before the House met to pro of being concerned in such transactions. She told me cure the necessary information. that his Royal Highness was really so i di,stressed for Sir THOMAS - TURTON here, after observing money, that she had no other way of getdag any. - that any further proceeding in the examination that night (it was then nearly twelve o'clock) would break Q. W in upon the solemn fast which was appointed to be by Mr. WARDLE, I Watson held, moved the question of adjournment. The great rWs, in. company ; t o w , h e { d, -ander which the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. War th# "he' Sid . nevelt Wisyot (Hey laboured would, he also trusted, prove an addi is life. tile Was 1 tional reason for postponing the proceedings. ain, and Mr. Mar. I body arose Mr. WARDLE admitted that he was much fa. nd ' desired the wit. ; Q, Arc tigued, but relying upon the indulgence of the House, ET seen himaeMrs, 1 applicatita. expressed his willingness that the examination should told me that the ' to procure be continued, and if she told lies, ' that he never MT.GRANT called and examined by Mr. WARDLE. your situation Q. Were you concerned in Colonel French's levy ? the Arrneett-GE- • fifteen sh —.A. Yes, I was. Q. Do you of your own know re of the third per. ; •allowar ledge know whether Colonel French and Captain per man ? A. He 'NiTheit or, Sandon obtained their letter of service ? --- A . I onl y I dark hair, shabbily per day know it from their own representation. Q. Were you , pear to be an Valk ' 'your fat) acquainted with' the terms upon which Mrs. Clarke's pen .the influence was to be obtained?—A. I understood at —Q. Pray does the ' 13rook V first that she was to have 5001. or guineas, and That ame was Finnerty ? tain the she was afterwards to have 11. 9s. for every man at his name was, I procure raised. Q. Do you remember paying a draft to Mr. Q. Did he squint ? j • Corn ?—A. I do, and it was placed to the levy ac not sure ; but if he 1 • , Q. E count. Q. Do you know what sums were paid to old me that he had that you Mrs. Clarke ?—A. Not from my own knowledge ; but d been in Africa and procure I I have heard Colonel French and Captain Sandon Me a good deal t, was a trans say, that they had paid about 1,7001; Q. Did and thereft French and Sandon ever complaio that Mrs. Clarke General Pumps, he to have been appointed a Lottery corrueissioner had disappointed 'them ?—A. Never. Q. Did you wear his arm in a through the same channel, but it was given to Mr. recollect whether Col. French eyer mentioned any er it was the Chro- 1 Adams, Mr. Pitt's Private Secretary. thing about procuring a loan of 50001. for the Com that he belonged to, 1 .Exantin4 by Mr. Husieu s e re manc i cr in Chief ?—..A., I do, Q. pid you ever talus those thr:e papers. 1 Q. Before you received the appointrnen‘ were you smy step to raise that loan ?—A. No, I did not. .—Q. Had he any t not required to appear before the Col , • ler of the The.CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was the name of this ! Army to undergo an examination to ..., your fit- the propriety of now calling on Mrs. V; —Q. Did he know the tress for the o ffi ce von were then e. to obtain ? ,lee, whose evidence, be conceived, in the present , No. He believed the ' —A, I was. Q, Do you recollect •' ore the state of the examination, to be of the utmost impor- was a foreign ; name . order, d irecting the 4ompttnilers to - Noe tape., ipitgOokal it would teed to throw a conspif • Q. Did you ever 'me this transac ;upped with her :r that the Duke I A. She never always said that to oven those id she state any Je said that the watched by Colo .1;1 by Mr..Greett thing._ Q. What papers cannot remern- Clarke, but she letters to me.— say why he de- Le bid me destroy ►resent. She told should probably have the honour Whether he had at he took in this A bill of £2OO Cockayne, which im.—Q. Why did was necessary to to his order.—Q. any money at the tt be had to him le bill ? A. He tr. Clckayne was he told him that Cockayne did that he had acted was very much Did Mrs. Clarke ing coming to the id, the Duke had ion, and was very par ticular convey q the witness sttp .tst time he dined .rkerlh.re wart - r° sorncrit* &tiler the said Mrs. Clarke ,r. Cockayne 2001. the whole of the Cockayne.—Q.. iction of a similar abject of conversa the witness having le had mentione d. oriental were ? A. nue I supped there,' him. As to the ;aw the first time :e the second time. rentleman to wham A. She told me, suppose is now in ' he-clescribe the man with the long should not be stir- . Q. Was . therelny iou supped there ? lan. Mrs.' Clarke vrspaper, and that It know now what for.—Q. Did the d with the other tediately went up , Mr. MELLtra rose be alluded to as the himself that the Wardle) would testion on that sub- euotu light on the present momentous charges,..and would probably give a new insight into the real truths of the evidence given, and might tend to brin g home the charges against the Duke of York, or other wise refute completely the allegations Made. Mis. CLARKE was then called in (half past one o'clock) • she appeared much fatigued, and, in a faint voice, said, that from the length of time she had been in waiting, eight hours, she was so exhausted, that sl:e could not possibly go through the examination of the House this night, and begged to be indulged by being allowed-for the present to retire. The question being put, The CHAIRMAN was requested to :info' mhertLot the House were desirous to proceed with the exam. nation, but were willing to allow her a chair, which would probably enable her to support her fatigue. • Mrs. Cintroca....• 44 A chair will not relieve the fa. tigie of my mind." She was then desired to withdraw, when Mr. YO R KE expressed his apprehension that unless Mrs. Clarke was examined this night, the omission might be attended with serious consequences, as dur. ing the lapse of time between the present moment and Thursday next, should the House conceive it ex pedient to resume the examination on that day, she nfght have au opportunity of 'iomnsuning with the witnesses who had been examined, and of course would guide her future testimony accordingly." If she was not to be examined, he conceived it would be expedient to consign her to the custody of the Sergeant at Arms,. in order to preVent any communi. cation with the'persons who had been examined, and prevent her from receiving. any information which could guide her future evi dence. Lord HENRY P E TTY concurred• in the propo sition of Mr. Yorke, but submitted, whether it me* not be fair, under the lady's alledged illness, to give her the option of either being examined, or retained in custody. Mr. ROSE also concurred in the propriety ofgiving her the option. The SPtAKER then rose,* He conceived, under the present feature of the discussion, that it was in- cumbent on him to give his opinion, founded on his long experience, as to the propriety of the measures proposed by Mr. Yorke, and agreed to by - the two Gentlemen who spoke last. He was not aware of any existing precedent, which established the right of the House to deprive the subject of li berty, in such sases as the present ; but although no precedent did exist, the power was vested in the House to exert their own judgment, as to the steps which the subject matter before them re quired. Since the reign of Queen Anne, no occur rence of the sort had taken.place. If' a precedent therefore did ever exist, it must have been of very ancient standing, and not at all applicable to the pie sent state of things. He was firmly of opinion that the liberty of the subject should not be too lightly tampered with. Mr. SHERIDAN was of opinion that it would be impossible to the House to enforce an examination of Mrs. Clarke in the present instance; and as the cause originated in her bad state of health, he thought it would not be humane to confine her in solitude for forty-eight hours he thou& a promise might be exdftetl from her, whieliiioW answer everi - itirpoth . but in all probability the witnesses already examined had every opportunity of conversing with her, so that no good end could be answered by the measure pro posed. Mr. WA RDLE here read a note from Mrs. Clarke, stating that she was very much indisposed,' and beg ged to see him. General NORTON said, Mrs. Clarke had said she was principally fatigued in mind and not in body, he therefore was of opinion that the 'examination might go on. Mr. CROAKER concurred in the propriety of this remark, as did Mr. LYTTLETON. Mr. ADAM thought, that as the eye of the coun try was on the proceedings of the present Committee, they ought to be extremely circumspect in their con duct. and not allow any thing to p • forward to the world which might give rise to invidious remarks ; and as the witness had pleaded illness, in all proba bility the enforcement of her examination under that statement would give rise, either from herself or her friends, to some observations on her inability, fro* her fatigued state of mind, to give her evidence in that way which would make a proper impression on, and give a fair bias to the minds of the Committee. He therefore conceived it better to adjourn the eta• ruination for the present, by which, if any Impression was to be made, it most undoubtedly woul d be in opposition to the testimony of Mrs. Clarke. Mr. CANNING suggested the expediency of call. ing in Dowler, the witness last but one examined, to ascertain whether any communication had taken place between hint and Mrs. Clarke as to the evidence he had given • and soar a few obse r v e . Lions W ons from Mr. W hitb read and Mr. Wynne, lie was called in, and some questions tending to, obtain the information required - by Mr. Can.„ ning having 'been put, he answered them in the nagative, stating that the only question asked by Mrs. Clarke, was to know by whom he was examined, and this question he answered in the preesnce of Se veral persons. He stated that Mrs. Clarke had been very ill for a considerable time. He wait then ordered to withdraw ; and it was agreed that the Committee should reassemble on Thursday next, to proceed with the further investi gation of the matter then before them. The House having resumed, the several witnesses who had not been examined were ordered to be sum moned to attend on Thursday. Mr. DUNDAS moved that the order of the day for the House resolving itself into a Committee on East India Affairs should be postponed till Friday next.—Adjourned at two o'clock till Thursday. Dwpatches were yesterday received from Adndral COMMA NPp which were brought to the Admiralty by Captain PINTO, of the Ann/errs sloop, arrived at Portsmouth. The intended attuk en Martinique had not commenced when the AcHATEs sailed; and it is apprehended that the supplies which the enemy have re ceived, by the frigates lately arrived there from France, will protract the defame to a more distant period than might other wise have been expected. Two Gentlemen arrived hi town yesterday from Hollan d, having clewed their !escape in a pilot-boat, Mewling to ttiLir report, the Slit and eed Bulletins of the Free* army in Spot: had lama their appearance in the Dutch Papers hefore they can.° &PI". The ktter s t a tist that Uraitlisa 114 vdrreodered to th.: Ironed besieging 4rmy, - - . _ LONDON Printed end Salted by LEVEL KENT, or ca. terbery Pima, at the SToa-Orsica, No. 1, Calif addland Own the tyres-Orme. Temple Bat. arse was restive, so that I went into p street to_shake hasultWs-413144 passed between us. t, _i— SHERIDAN.) Did you - tensider Mrs. ti ig great confidence in you for some it ? A. I undoubtedly did.—Q. Did d e you any reason to think that t b ras not acquainted with. bp recciv- n gc d re using her influence to' - u ap- e She always gave me t - erstand I Highness was acquai ' ' with it. ' p collect whether it was bereie or after b a to the commissariat, thst Lou ex- * Mrs. Clarke on account or her trans- v )nel French and Captain ffivley San- 11 s before the appointment.—. .If you s II Mrs. Clarke on the immoral ity or 3 Ler transactions with Colonel. 'French t s.• • • Examined by Mr. BARING.. Tare you acquainted with the late Sit Brook ? A. Very slightly ; barely suffic*-Aly so as to him - whets I met bios ; is— ur father on to ' -; A. rely slikluty acquainted- '•W* . ...and that ose frOssil4 %sing alder talk : • .• you certain that ro ar fad* ; e any ion to Sir Brook :Watson, ; uence ure you the apHntasent certain never did.—Q. What are the e ents of uation ?A. In England, the e ; ; ents are alining: a day, with some deduc . ; . and an ice for lodgings, and other - , gencies. fft foreign service, there is an extr • shillings y.—Q. From the respectable situ ; which ther held in the City of London, itipight hap- at he got some other person to Sir Watson in your behalf. Are ulte cer- at he made no application ts:siii to the appointment ? A. I•am certain' osalid not. Examined by Mr. VANSITTARTic, 4 Did you ever communicate to hfriA.Burnell at had employed Mrs. Clarke's iquence to e you you; appointment ?—A. I peed did : it transaction which I wished to have kept secret, erefOre I was not disposed to talk of it. I was