Star. — London, England, 1807-03-27 00:00:00

. • .. ~ *. • What then was tha nnavoidabit infere 4 ..te It w: this, that they had hroght forward wanton• le, and contrary to the w•;11.of their SoveCeign, Then With regard to the pledge, he could not conceive how .ti,: e could continue in the service of v.itl-, the refervations for which they contended. Could they retain their fituations with the liberty of bring ing forwaid the meafure lo opvt - et t b y t h e King, and to connett with it all the authority of their situations in •Government ? How could his Majetty fobrnit tean goilly to remain in loch a flotation ? At any one mo ment it was to he again forced epon his attention—. a! any time, at the pleafure of Miniflers, it was to be ho aught into Parliament, although he had made up ; t ic mind,•he had formed a deliberate, a corifeientions, and an unalterable opinion. He would not fay that the Noble Baron had not ailed from a genuine fenfe ot duty ; but he fhould air° allow something for the feelings ot a Sovereign fo much beloved and revered, In fully entitled to the gratitude of thofe who had ,b e h o nou r to forround his perfon, and the Noble naren mutt have known it was a piopofition to which 1 is could not accede. The Constitution Paid, tc King could do no wrong fervants; how ever, were to teach the country, that tliey were of a dilerent opinion. They were to "be permitted to rife up in their places in Parliament, and to fay, e I admit your danger, you May lofe your fecurity Ind independence ; b'ut it is no fault of mine ; had pis Majelly taken my advice; you.would have been preferved e to him °only you„ sire to attribute your ruin." Was the King thus to be dravin forth:to pub lic notice, and to be thus expofed to public cenfure He thought the. peace - of Ireland -might 'be le : cured without fuch coricellinns. If the late fervants of the Crown 'would not :comply with the willies of their Lord CARNA RVON Paid, that if his Majefly's *prefent Minifiers had accepted theif places upon any inch condition, as that of relingtiifiting their duty.to give his Majelly fair and full advice, to the bell of their opinions and their conrciences, upon every fub jeet, then the principle that the King could do no avrong, would fall to the ground ; for the King would be left to a.. 9 without advice from his confidential upon emergencies of the molt viral import cum , . If-fuch were the terns upon whicl. they ac• cepred their flotations, he cid not hetiette to fay, they were as much guilty of High Treafun as any man that ever fuffered for that clime. Lord HA\VKESBURY explained, by denying that the preterit Ministers had bound themfelves by any loch pledge : they had entered his Majefty's Councils entirely nnfer•ered by any pledge whatever: he laid, if his Majesty's late Miniilers thought their own opinions right, they did right to fupport them ; and if they found dick opinions pofitively refilled tny his Majefly, it was their duty to refign their Situations. • The Earl of BUCKINGHAMSHIRE rofe to ex plain the principles that were in the contemplation of Government, in 18oz, refpeeing any further con cerlions to the Catholics ; which, he laid, were nothing more than to pars a bill in the Englith Parliament, adopting the fame principle as the bill palled by the Irak Parliament, for throwing open the fobordinate ranks of the army, under that of Staff Officers, to Catholics ; and without which the Irifh bill would have no operation out of Ireland. It could have no operation whatever in rerpeet to the navy. Farther than this he never could content to go. He was well aware, that the impoffibiliry of riling to all the advan tages of the military peel - en : ion mull confiderably damp the ardour of an officer ,• and though he could f e e no great objeeion, nor mikidef, from giving to Catholic officers Itaff rank in.any other country than Ireland, yet he conceived it exceedingly dangerous, and nothing fhould ever (hake his opinion upon this point The Irith Parliament never would have con fented to filch a . meafure, and. this Parliament would do well to paufe before they ventured to carry con celtiion much farther than the Parliament who well underflood the lubjeft. Lord EKSKINEfaid, he confidered the fultjeft of the Catholic Q2eflion ac completely irrelevant as any other whatever, to the late change in his Nlajelly's Councils, although it happened to be the fubjea which led to Inch a conjuncture. Although a Member of the late Government, he was decidedly adverfe to the Meafure, and fhould not have advifed it, becaufe he did not fee the political neecffity for it, which had in• the great majority of his colleagues to recoil]- tend it to l.is hlajefly ; yet he thought they were a ( tighly commendable, and only doing their duty in oieing his Majeay fuel' advice as they in their con (eience thoUght ju4 ; as well as in declit:iit to be bound by any pledge to retrain from g . ;,-Ing to.fheir. Sovereign upon t/, i-,orery fubjettl,fech advice as they. conceived to be jute. The firrnnefs wish which his llajcfly had mainteined his own confcientiour °pi. nions, by refitting the Bill in the. extent to which it wen:, had elf; hi; relpe6tful approbation ; but I he mull fay, that hi, colleagues did tight in de clining t., he bound, never again to advif the mea• Lute unocr any poflible preffilre of ciretiroftences. At the moment when his Majelly's late Minitlers relin- Ttli;:ed the Bill, in enecefilon to his Mejelly's - lernples, they flood in the fame fituation as upon their firfk rice:llion to office. They knew his Majesty's feelings. His Mejetly was aware that their fenti- Ments were in favour of the concctTion. But their dereliEtion of the meafure at that time, in deference to the Royal (Tinier). was a tacit pledge - that they would not again prels it, unlefs under tome extraor einaly ciicumflances, which Might render it more logently neceffary. Had if pleafed his Niaj:lty then ta await for this experience in the conduct of iris ieli filters, and to fee if they again endeavoured to prefs tea-ward the meafure, or !ohmic it to Parliament; • d if they did contrary to his Majelly's wiihes, they 'erottld have merited The right of his Mil• jelly to change his Minilters no man could deny; but to have Kill Arm' in power, or accept office upon any fto_h condition as the pledge alluded to, was, in his (pinion, contrary to every principle of Ministerial duty, and directly in violation of the Conaitution,. • Had the bonnet's ended wish the nbaudonmene ofihe Bill, by the late Admiaiarntion, the Catholics would • nly have to fay, they had been abandon ed by their friends, and would have all cherifh ed the hope of being more fortuna•e at fome fu ture period. But by the difmilial of thofe ,Ifiens4 from the Councils of their Sovereign, for no other rearnn thati their aeclining to pledge themfelves never again, under any circumilances, to revive the Itptcflion, or prefs any thing connettedwith it, upon bls Majelly's mind, they would be taught to cop- rider, that the principle jet dech.ted by the Noble Earl, of never granting any further concedion to the Catholics, was to be a part of the fyilCm of Govern. ment t what the tefult of fuch conviFticn would b:, he did not with even to ennjeetitre. The Earl of BUCKINGHAMSHIRE role to explain. He faid, he formed no part of the prefent Government, and only fpoke his own private opinion The gut . ..llion for Adjournment to Wednefday fe'n night was then put, and agreed to. The Marquis of STAFFORD then role, and give notice of his intention to bring forward a quedion on :hat day, upon the fubjeet of the Difmilfal of his Ma jetty's late Minifters, and moved, tkat their Lord (kips be fummoned for that day. Adjourned at Half pall Eleven. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Sir SAMUEL ROMILI.Y prtfented his Bill for rendering the Freehold Property of Traders, who become infolvent, airets for the payment of their debts. Read the brit time, and ordered for the fccond reading on the 9th of April. Sir JOHN NEWPORT preterite(' the 1:11h Poor Provifinn Bill, and the nal for allowing the Ira Judges and Barons to appoint additional CommitTione:i far taking affidavits. Read the Grit time, and ordered for the fecond reading on the 9th of April Mr RQBSON gave notice of his intention to fohmit a motion t 3 the Houfe immediately after the holidays, on the fubjet of abufes in the Barrack Department. The Sicilian Prize Money 13111 was read the third time. A Chide, by way of rider. for making timilar provifions for the pay ment of Prize money to the Officers and crews of other ForOgn veff..ls, joined with Britifh (hips, in the capture of P.izes, was agreed to. The Bill was paired, and ordered to the Lords. • CH /Ad! IN ADMINISTRATION. Mr. HUSKISSON, in confequence of the notice which he had laft - night given, moved, that the Houfe, at its riling, (hould adjourn to V.Tednefday lennight. 0.1 the queftion being put, Lord HOWICK role and fpnke to the following effat :- 0 In riling to (peak upon the propofition fubmitted by the Honourable Gentleman, I truft it will not be deemed improper if I enter into the ex planation of which f . gave notice yeherrlay. It is defirable that the Houle and the Country (hould, as (non as poffible, be put in poffeflion of all the faits to which that explanation refers. It is important that Parliament and the Public thould be enabled to judge of the motives which induced the transfer of his Majefty's confidence from my Colleagues and myfelf to thofe whom he has thought proper to prefer. It is important that no means thould be wanted to affift the putlic mind in forming an opi nion of the views of the Gentlemen who have jug fucceeded to the conduit of Grover 'lntent, and of the motives which led to the removal of their predccel fors. It is important to prefent yon the information I am about -to offer, with a view to qualify your minds duly to appreciate the fituation in which the change I allude to has placed the country ; painful, indeed, did I feel, that,while I remained in power, I could not. continently withmy duty, make that (late meta which would have ferved to defeat all the ca lumnies afloat againft myfelf and colleagues ;but , anxi ous as Ifelt for the difcharge of the duty upon which I am now going to enter, I am Bill lorry, as I before Bated, for the abfence of thole Gentlemen, to whom an Hon. Gentleman laft night alluded, and who I ihould with much to be prelim in order that they might, as the Honourable Gentleman teemed to delire, Watch the whole of my Ilatements and correEl any inaccuracy into which I may happen to fall. I (hall be happy, at- any time, to prefentany explana tion that may be defired. It will afford me great fatlsfaCtion to have all the details I am about to fubmit fully lifted and canvalled. It is inconfitient with either my nature or habits to feek the con cealment of any- part of my conduit, or to (brink 1 from the clot - eft fcrutiny of my motives ; and I have no fear of being able to vindicate my condo& ag:iinit any imputation, however infidioufly brought forward, or however artfully foftained ; whether it derive fupport from the infinuations of affeBed au thority, or from the mifreprefented extrafts of confi dential papers publithed and circulated (hear! hear!). The art with which thefe extraas were made, will, I have no doubt, futliciently imprefs the Hook with an opinion of the view entertained by thole from whom theft extraet, came. The heft antidete ' however, to Inch views, and to the poifon which they would in culcate, is ,a full and fair expofition of the whole of the fattr. In replying to Inch calumnies, In;weeee, it (hall be my fludy to endeavour as mach as poffible, to confine nrylelf to a dry flatement of fads. My ohjal on this occalion thall only be to vindicate my own enrich:lf, and that of my Colleagues, alaftaining from all argument, calculated to provoke contro. verfy ; and when this vindication appears to me complete, to which a mere narrative is alone neeef fary, I (hall I:axe it to the Houfe to take fuch farther proceedings (root, this cafe, as their notions of true Minillerial duty; and Conftitutional principle, ap pear to thern4cididate. " It is well known, for it mtift be in the recollec tion of the Houfe and the Country, what principles and opinions were held by the leveret Members of the late Adminiftration upon the fubjeEt of the Ca tholics. Their opinions, indeed, were but recently manifefted in their fpeeches and their votes. They came into Adminiftrationwith this general knowledge of their opinions, and furely it could not be fuppofed that any of thole Members would be capable of giving up his opinion for the fake of office or emolument. In fa& no Member did indicate any fuch difpofition No requilition, indeed, of that nature, was attempted to be made. If any fuch ftipulation had been alked, molt certainly I thould have felt myfelf bound by a fenfe of honour and of duty, immediately to decline it. At the fame time, however, that I came into office, retaining of cotnfe with other of my Colleagues pre cifely the fame fentiment upon the Catholic queftion which we profetred when out of power, Rill it could not he diffembled that a well-known difficulty flood in the way of its fuccefs. As we came into power unfettered upon this point, and called tipon, as we felt, by the nature of cur fituation, -to advilc any meafure which, might, appear. to. 11$ expedient to adapt, for the general fecurity of the Country, Ana the benefit .of the Government, we mrtft na . (orally bear in mind Ode points to .7athich we flood pledged, and for the fuccefs of which, from a conviEtion of their ratitude, we molt be anxious ; but Aill our refolution was not to refs any queltion which might be koftile'to.the perfonal feelings of the King ; for any at:empt of that nature would have been, we felt, incontinent with the duty, the affection, and the yefpeft we owed to our Sovereign. With thefe prin ciples my colieagneeentered into the Adminittration. Their opinion upon the merits of the Catholic claims • were well know,; but, %ware of the cbfiaeles 'which prevented their attainment, they hoped, by a prudent and conciliating fyllem of Government, to reconcile the Catholics, and to keep the Catholic queilion at tell. They did, however, refolve, immediately upon their introduaion to power, to turn their attention, in a very peculiar degree, to the af f airs of Irtland ; and events occurred, towards the clofe of the latt year, which ferved to augment their refolution., 1 he slate of that moil valuable, and, lam afraid, n: iii vulnerable pat t of the Empire, engaged our moll ferious conlidera tion; and the diaurbanees which noto: ioully prevailed in the %vefi.eril part of that country natora.ly operated toinereafe our folicitude. The cracquen-le rt . there deliberations was a determination to aopt immediate means of tranquilizirg and concsiiating the people of Ireland; and although urged by a Right Ho. nom-able Gentleman (Mr. Perceval), mod' fonder of the policy of force nom I am, to retort to urea lures of extraordinary f.!verity—a 4 o hough urged by fuch intemperate adeil:r., rather eagerly as I remember, at a very early period of the difturbances, to have recourfe to rigour, we dete. ni;ned to abßain horn all feverity not warranted by the fpirit of the conibtution, and, thank Cir u, we focceetted in reflor ing tranquillity by reforting only to the jut °pet ation of the law (hear, hear!). Among the meafures which appeared to us as expedient to be adopted for the reconciliation of Ireland, the admillion of Catholics to hold commiflions in the army and navy fuggetled WI as one of the firft. This we conceived not only fafe but proper to propofe without delay. In addition to the other reafons which prefented themfelves in its favour, it Itruck us, in the prefent Hate of the empire, as particularly material to be attended to, promifing, as it did, to augment the means of recruiting our public force by the introdu&iun of men into the fer vice,who by the ill underftood policy of the prefent fyf tem had been altogether excluded. It was agreed, as I before alerted, that the Catholics !Imola, at 'call, I have the fame privilege with regard to the holding of commiftions in this country as was granted to them by the law of Ireland. After much dilcuffion it w.ts the unanimous opinion of his Majzfty's hlinifters, that this conceffion fhould be promptly made, as it appeared I calculated to contribute t, the tranquillity of It eland; by holding out an encouragement to the gentlemen of that country to enter into the army and navy, in the hope of advancement •by taking o ff for the in creafe of the public force erom what teemed a fuper abundant population ; by drawing, as it were, even from the very fources of dilcontent, the means of our ftrength. Such was our view of the lobjed. We looked to the concellion, which I ba7e not allu• ded to as an ad likely to injure or ever, to alarm the interefts of the efiablithed Church, but as one mate. rially tending to fortify that intereft, becaufe mate. rially tending to the general interell of the empire. For is not the ftrength of the country the means of fecurity to the eflablifhed Church ? Can the one be fafe if the other be in danger ? If Ireland were alienated from its connation with this country, where would be the fecurity of the empire ? If fuch an alie. nation were to take place, what, in Gon's name, would become of the eftablifhed Church? Upon what ground then can this meafure be oppofed, which has fuch an obvious tendency to add to our ftrergth, by fecuring the attachment of a great proportion of our people (hear ! hear !) The late Minißers were, as I have faid, clearly engaged in confideting the affairs of Ireland, and had arrived at a certain refult when they received difpatches from his Excellency the Lord Lien;. ant, ant, Rating, that the Catholics had manifefted a ref usi• a: to prefs their claims upon the attention of ,p !It, With the opinions that I hold..and the :hat i kit upon the fubjed, I have no hefi• tatiorr r ''.rving, that I did by every means in my power, •as private advice could extend, endea vour to di iilradc the Catholics from fuch a proceeding. The knowledge however of their intention was an additional inducement with my colleagues to prefs forward the mt afore of conceflion I have already del cribed. We had a hope that if promptly acceded t , t, it might have the elle& of induciog the cattiolics to ahan• don the purfuit of an °hied which, from certain cir cumftances, they could not be arra ware there was little reafon to hope for ; while, at the fame time we felt that both from principle and policy, the conceffion ought to be made. We had little appreheniion of encounter ing any obje&ion in our endeavours to procure for the Catholics the fame privilege which was granted to them in Ireland by the ad of 1793. For to this concef fion we recolleded that the Secretary of State for Ire land, and the Lord Chancellor cf that country alfo, flood fpecifically pledged at the time the law was enacted. This pledge, indeed, was en record in a difpatch from Lord Buckingham, then Mr. Hobart, in which the promife of this conceflion to the Irith Catholics was diftindly made. Confidering the mea fure, therefore, not more as an at of policy than as a neceffary evidence of confillency, honour, and good faith, we determined to bring it forward. We did hope, indeed, that fuch reafons as 1 have Rated would have operated fo powerfully as to obviate any oppofition whatever. On thole grounds, therefore, it was propofed to lay before his Majefly a detailed difpatch, which we thought it expedient to tranfmit to the Lord Lieutenant, Rating the nature of the meafure we had in contemplation to propofe to Par liament, in order that it fhould be communicated to the Catholics. This difpatch was fent to his Majefty by a Cabinet Minifter, and his Majefty returned it with an expreflion of repugnance to. the meafure.— But, upon receiving this intelligence, Minifters drew up a refpedful reprefentarion, containing all the reafons which operated in their minds to recommend the conceffion propofed, and this reprefentarion was forwarded to his Majefty, who after fome delibera tion, and I admit with an appearance of reludance, was gracioutly pleafed to communicate his confent to the meafure. Under this authority the otiginal difpatch was rent to the Duke of Bedford, and upon receipt of it Its Dublin, a meeting took place between the Lord Chancellor, Mr. Elliot, his Grace's Score. tary, and Come dillingnifhed Members of the Catho lic Body—to whom Mr. Elliot, in addition, Rated, that this Bill was not propofed to them as an induce ment to any conipromife of their claimt for total emancipation, but offered to them as an ad of juflice. When the fubßance of the difpatch was Rated to thefe Gentlemen, one of them, Mr. O'Connor,' alked Mr. Elliot, whether it was meant by the propofed meafure that all offices, including chofe on the Raff, fhould be acceflible to Catholics ? To this Mr. Eliot replied, that the difpatch mentioned all offices whatever ; but et baying Come doubt, he could not give a decided I• anfrrzr upon the point referred to in the qqueflioti• This queliion having been communicated to Irlinilie►c. by Mr. Elliot, a fecond d:fpaich was drawn lip, removing Mr,. Elliot's dcuht and authrriling, him to give a decided anfwer to Mr. O'Connot's Tien: n: This fecond difpatch was laid before his Maj• tiy, and his Msjelly was ,pleaftd to return it Without a.:y objeaion rr comment whatever. It wa , therefore immediately forwarded to Ir eland. H..wever, upon the point ; - ome differences of opinicin did mile. Doubts were entertained, •ic is but fair to fay, by fume Members of the Cabinet, as to the extent of this meafure (a cry of how, later, from the Miniflerial fee). I Rate the fafts as they recurred. M% objet is to (tate .the cafe literally as it arofe. The Cabinet Mini frets I. have alluded to, declared that they were not, in the tura infla: cc,aw Arc of the full extent of the mea- Cure, and to that event they flrongiy ex preffed their oLjetlion ; but the &patch had been crevioufly tianfmitted to the Duke of Bedford. " It has been.hated by fame pet lons who have animadverted upon this tranfaSion, that Minilters were not warranted in bringirg forward a public meafure previoufly obtaining the cnnient of his Majetty. Bnt this extravagant propofition karcely dere, ves ferious notice. According to any rational publication on the tulajeLq, :he duty of a Minitter ap. pears to be tivo-fold. He may ad in a double cepa. city upon different occafions—namely, as a Miniller, and as an individual Member of Parliament. There was no Minitler who had not abed fooccafiorially—r If indeed it were culpa!ale to purfue the courte fume extravagant 'niters now mantain, Mr. Pitt's con dud upon the Slave Trade and Parliamentary Re form would have been highly cenfurable—for that dif. tlnguithed fleet - man, in both thele inflances, brougiii. forward the prrpofilors as an individual Member Parliament. The conlitutional which,ln con! cutrence with my collzagues, I take between the duty of a Minifter . in the one cafe and the other, is this-- that when a Minister brings forward any motion ai a meafure of Goveinment Which has undergone any difct.flion in the Cabinet, he viola.es his ditty, unfelt fuch meafure (hall have received the fanCtion of that authority. I raculd of courfe feel myfelt very cul pable, if I attempted to b.ing forward any meAlirc in Patliament as a minifterial meafure, unlefs I had pri:vionfly fobmitted that meafure to the cnntideratirm of the King, and obtained his Majefly's confent to its adoption. It was therefore I laid before his Majefly all the particulars with reprd to the meafore ielpzet4 ing the Catholics, and Waited to obtain his Majesty's approbation before I attempted to fubmit the ccnfi ckration of that meafure to this Houk, _ 11. - " The fecond difpatch which I have Dated to have been feat to the Duke of Bedford on the t ath of February was drawn up by me, in confeqUencc f the indifpofition of Lord Spencer ; and in .his 1: 1 he recolldled, Mr. Elliot was authorized t give adeci ded anfwer to Mr. O'Connor. That difpatch I len.. to Windfor on Monday, for his Majelty'. a pprobari, and on the Tuefday foilowing it was teturned,wur any objection or comment whatever, as I e a! , ; •F Rated. But what roved more 6‘tindly to ;!.; 1%11 my mind with an opini , n of hL, lkl'Atoty's cr ao l quiefcence in the mealu. e is tlil• . • hoonc of teeing him in the T 1 __toiooty expreffed not even a hint lov ds !.• r immediately forwarded the difpate' , I had wi the Duke of Bedford, and on tue folloo in. I;y aired in this Houle my intetoicn to propof cl !life its 'he Mutiny Bill, to anfwcr the putp,f, wi,:ch I had too. derftood his Majetty to have Ai't,t lone further confideration hosvever, it was faggenc I that in point of form it would not be corral to ingr sit fuch a elatife on the Md. iny 8.11. In c ofeo t tseioe of this fuggeltiin it wits dererrcined to ntak: this claufe the fobjed of a feparate Pill. 0:1 the Wedn.fday foil:ruing the adoption of this detezmina; ion, Eftei the Bill wai brroo,ht in and read a fit a titre, I at tended at St. James's, and after fore converfati , ol with his Nl ,, jAty about my nom office. his MThily alked me shat was the hu:lncf, in the H - , t.fe Coat evening? I anfwered, aroorg otl er thiogs, a moti .n for the fec:ond reading of this Bill, whil:l had been made a feparate Bill. 'mentioning Oie cor nierati .ns have [laced to the iloofe. HisMajelly irked, whe ther the Bill was the lime as the ad of the hitt' Par. liament ? I flared the difference to be what 1 comsitu nicated to his Majeriy Tome days before in tho shidatch addteffed to the Duke of Bedford, and reocated the realons which appeared to rne to julliry that dit ference ; and here I mull acknowledge that his Ma jetty did exprefs his difapprobation of the creafute (hear, tear !en the Bencics.). G. r. , 1-men may rely that I (hall frankly (late all the 14,1 s ; but although his blajelly did Ili exprefs his difapplo,'l,tti it, (till I did not conceive the cs.nfent whistirawn he had originally given to the introduaion of this measure, and I was very naturally the lef, it dine I to think Co from this circumtlance, that Lora Goers vale had an audience of his Majefly after I kit him, and his Majefly mentioned Too one word upon the iubje& to my Nrible Friend. Up ,n the f. !horn% day alto I Caw his Majehy, but heard nothing for:her . of his nbjetlion, nor did for the whole of tiie week, although I bad frequent opportunities of hearing from, and Come converfatiens ssith the Kirg. In confe quence of an unfortunate event which occurred in my family, I was for fume days Aden( from hairier* and this Houle, and that abfence produced a poll. ponement of the order for the fecond reading of this Bill. During this period I had not (pen hip M;jefly; but I underflood that he had commt..nicated to Lord Grenville his decided objedion to the.meafure rest red to, and that his Majctty conceived the extent of it to be far beyond that to which he had oriiinally given his affent. From that circomftance I was led to fofped that I had mifunderitood his Majefly I accordingly demanded an audience, in order to tile my endeavours for the purpofe of fatisfying his Majetty's mind upon the fubjed, but my en. deavours had n..t the effect of removing his Ma objections, and I had the regret to find that I had Mifunderflobd his Majefty, or that he had corn. pletely mifunder Rood me. However, from an)anxious with to avoid giving any pain to his Mojclty's feel ings, I endeavbured, in concerr with my Colleagues, fo to modify the Bill as to reconcile it to his Majefty's willies. But after a, good deal of deliberation, we hound that it could not be fo modified as to obviate his objections, without deftroying the vital canoe of the meafure—without doing away that which wonldbe tatisfadory to the Catholics, or likely to produce any of the important confequences which we bad in view upon its original introdtglion; we therefore propoCed ~