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Af 04 4 ZEITE EXTRAORDINARY' e JUNE 5. asitan- of the 31st ult. contains BE TENTH BULLETIN. Ebersdorff, May 23. 'beiniskr-ff the Danube divides into three branches Wands. The distance from the right bank to side; which is one hundred and forty toises in About 1000 toises. The distance from this island 20 toises, and here the a/team rune with the - larger of the two islands is called Inder-Lo which separates it fronr the main land is 70 first villages which appear after crossing are Any and Enzerdorf. The parsage of such a Ilse, in the presence of an enemy well acquainted ircumstances, and who has inhabitants on his treatest military enterprists that can be inn over the arm of the river which separatei the se first island, and the bridge troth this island Jbau were erected on the 19th. Molhoes di .onveyed to the great isliud 00 the 18 h, by Emperor arrived at In-der-Lobau, and caused own over the lean arm of the Dadiabe from that bank, between Gross-Aspera and Es,ling. This '.e 70 tois.s broad, only 15 pontoons were re ,ation, which were fixed within three hours by the artillery. . . ii, Aid-de-Camp of Marshal the Duke of Ri m the left bank, in an open boat, - and General light cavalry; with Molitor and Bandit's dl ring the night. Afterwastl4. the Enamor, ac- Prince of Xeurchatel, the Dukes of Alvan and fried the position of the left bank, and deter tubs, posting the right on the villagenf Beating, village of Gross-Ayers. Both village, were ciatr in the afternotm. the. enemy's erntysfi ewed l to have for its object to defeat our van gilard, the river. Vain enttrf rise! - . roil was the first attacked at Gross-Aspern, by tl Bell garde. He manauvred with the divi id I.egrand, and rendered compktely abortive ich-the enemy made that evening.' The Duke fended the village of Essling and Marshal the rered the plain with the light cavalry, and of cuirassiers, protecting at the Same time contest was severe, the enemy having 200 pb cos ,000 men, collected from the'remains of all the Mon of cuira‘ciers, which made several fine in two gquates, and took 44 pieces of TahnOh, General D'Espagne white fighting glcitiaintly at wimps. He was a brave man, and In every re litai.ewnrthy. The General of Brigade Footers in . a charge. z arrived in the evening nn the field at battle, tigatle etlmmanded by General St..Gerntain, himself by several brilliant charge,. At eight term Mated, and we remainetrmaiters of the &tit. General Ontlinnt's "corps, St. Hilliire divi flies of light cavalry, and the train of :Cram, Brig es. lbike of Rival' was the first engaged at Mar in enemy made several steressieteatratks, in village. At last rive !hike tired of •sive, attacked the enemy in his turn; art threw pn. General I.egrand distinguished himstif by itrepidb:y whioh character:se hint. Division Boudet was stationed at the village of ,ad orders to defend that important position. the enewypccupled a very wide space between log, it was resolved to penetrate•by his centre. atebello led the attack. General Oudinot was illaire's division was in the centre, and kioudeis he tight wing. The enemy's centre could not of our troops.—lu a moment every th.ng u. them. aria nr.de several brilliant and successful at 7 'mos of infantry were charged and at down by 'he Austrian army was on the point of being at seven in the morning, an Aide de Can't) of le to inform him that the sudden rise of the goat a great number of trees, which were cut late events at Vienna, and rafts which had been and that the bridge.' which fotmed the comma- the right bank and the Little Island, and be- Wand and that of in•der-Loui bad thereby ?. This rapid swell, which Usually doe* net ee middle of June, on the melting of thelincw, ,ed by the great beat which his fer .orne dayi he reserve patks of artillery which were.advan lass of the bridges attain. d the right hank, of our heavy cavalry, and the whole of the it's carps This dreadttl acckent induced the itop to the movement in nivel:et- lie ordered lebello to keep the field of tutee which had lea to take his position with the I;,ft win, rest 'ork which the Dule of Rivoli covered, 2 nd his tirg. id infantry cartridges which were in our reserve low he brought across the tiver. The enemy ' , info] state of disorder at the moment when he iriefges were brolcen down. Tile skekering of eeneentratin: movement a our :wily, soon irft Teti ng this iqt - inteseen accident. All his cannon !page which were be'ore on the retreat, were ta line, and tom nine in the morning to seven made most astonishing exertions, supported by Tel of eantioa, to throw the French army into his efforts tended to lilt own disgrace. hrice Magee of Essling and Gross-A;pern, and thrice his dead. The Fusiliers of the Guards, com al acquired great glory t • they defeated red of all the Grenadiers of the Austrian army, i troops which remained to the enemy. General mord 700 Hungarians, who bad succeeded in iselvcs in the Church-yard of Ruling. The di? command of General Curial, performed his day, and proved that they vossessed cou- lorsence . , Colu - stl Commandant - of the Old troops in the , third line, forming a brazen capable of withstanding all the cforts of• the The enemy discharged 40,000 cannop shpt We, deprived of our reserve parks, were toiler wring our aruratutitlor., leaf 10411 C other udiore ' occur. he enemy returned to his old position, *hints IS to the cownieneenserst of the attack, and we of the field. His loss is very great: it bring most experienced oficers that be left more than the &Id. According to the reports of the pri hare had es Generale and CA superior Officers' I.iruteneent Field Marshal W eber wall 1300 indards, liave fallen into our hands. Our loss onsiderable. We he've 1100 Itillcl and4;ooo -•ss wounded by a cannon ball in the iock r r ~! 71- , of the ::2d; but an impuist :e, and his :it( i• of dancer. At first it was was killed, and being ca:ried on a hand-barrow leror was, his adi eu was :nog. affecting. In• the . trsieties of the day, the Emperor gave biteseli ion of that tenor friendship which during so is cherished for thin brave companion in arms. . from I:is eyes, ;nd turning to those who • sur said—" My heart required stch a rainful stroke .rte occupy myself, on this .!ay, with any other my army." 'the nuke of Montebello was in wered Lin:well in the presence of the Emperor : and said—" Within an !slur you will have lost th the glory and the consolation of being your Dlvisior i St. IfiHaire, is also w oun d e d : be Is ;t nerals of France. General Durosoel, Aide- 4 6. Iptror, was also killed by a cannon ball t whils• he order. lispl.yed ail that eodness and intrepidity which :French only. the Danube still increaking, the bridges af•the as be restored during the night ; the /imperils. red she army, on the gsd, to pass frunrtht left little atm. and sake a po , hion ib the ishlhd of loticctingithe Tot ea di pente. • • ROTTERDAM The Moil' es THE ' Opposite to EbtredOri separated by two island' the island on that side, circumference, is about to the greater is 120 tot greatest force. 'The lan bau, and the water wh toises broad The first Orese-Aspern, Essfing river as the Danube, in with all the local circun side, is one of the great gincd. The bridge over right banks from the fir tb that of 10-der-Lobau vision had been convel row-boats. On the ^Atli the Erni . a bridge to be thrown o island to the left bank, • arm being not quite 70 quired for the operation Colonel Aubry, of the a Colonel St. Croix, A toll, arrived first en tilt Lasalle's division of elisions, passed during t companled by the Print Montebello, examined • mined the field of battle, end the left on the villa likewise garrisoned. • entire 2letylit firer itself, and appeared to b .and to drive it into the The Duke of Rivoli s the corps of General Pe eons of Molitor and Le all the-attacks which th of Montebello defender Duke of Istria covered ispagne's division of e .Engensalorf—the conte of cannon aod 90,000 n A u4rian corps. _ D'Espagne s division themes, advanced in tv but a ball killed Getter the hezd of his troops. 'aPect ceduent sod prai. was likewise killed in a . General blansoutz or trath the single hrigath diningaislsed him, o'clock the action terosii During the night, Gc ikon. and twrobrigades passed over by the Eri: On the 2fid the Duke the morning. The ene order to retake the with acting on the de:ensive, them into confusion. the coolness and intrep The General of Divi Essllng, and had had o Observirg that the e 'tie right and left wing, The Duke of Montebt on the left, St.liillaire division was on the ell withstand the sight of bone &Wm before they The Duke of Istria tacks. Three columns the cuirassiers. The . destroyed, when, at se , the Emperor came to Danube had set afloat down during the late e left on the bank; and Manion between the r lw.een.tbe Litt ht aslant beep cartied away. 7 take, place until the ml has been accelerated 1)1 plrlevaikd. 411 the re: tint, were by the loss as was also a part of Duke of Auerstadt's Emperor tnput a dr np the Duke of Tiprontebt been wan,•and then tc ing on a•cartain work right wing at Esslire. lie artelery and 411 petit could nor now I Was in a most fright fit learned that oar brief& ear fire, and the cone, him no doubt respeitl• owl artillery equipage again drawn out in lin in the evening he mac the,fire of 200 pieces I disorder; hot all his e 'be attacked the village be filled them with hi, manded by General M the Reserve, formed c end the only fresh trot CMS put to the.swort entrenching thetnselv, Tirailleurs under th.• their first service this rage. General Dome Guard, posted his troo which was alone chin Austrian army. Tin against us, while We, the necessity of sparing seen events should occi In the evenirg the e be had left previous to rensained masters of th estimated by the most 12,C00 dead on the fl goners the enemy have killed or wounded. I. men, and four standat has also been considi wounfa The Duke of 7.ler:e thigh, at six o'clock in tion has taker. place, at thought that lie was k to where the Emperor midst of all the atexiet up to the expression snarly years lie has the Some tears rolled fron rounded him, he said— as this, to make me et care thap that of my a sensible, but reeovere< be embraced him and bins who• dies with tl best friend." - • . The General of Dfs • oner-of the first Genera t t Csibp to the Emperce was carrying an order. l'fie.soidiera ; i l a )a ltr ia pliar to the Fret I Aof atee the etati Hot b ! tberer cl lic...oi l Wed ti % F ess the Thal • The works for replacing the bridges are continued with assi duity, and nothing wilt be undertaken until they are secure, not only against the accidents of the water, but against any thing that may be attempted against them. Ake rise of the river, and the rapidity of the strearn,must require much labour and.great eaOtion. On the 23d, when the army was informed that the Emperor had ordered it to retreat to the Great island, nothing could exceed the astonishment of the brave troops. Victorious on both days, they bad supposed that the remainder of the army had joked them; but when they were told that the high water bad carried away the bridges, and that its continued increase rendered the renewal of their ammunition and provisions impracticable, and tlut any movement in advance would be absurd, It was with great difficulty they could be persuaded of the truth of the state ment. That bridges constructed of the largest boats of the Danube, secured by double anchors and cables, should he carried away,' was a great, and entirely unforeseen disaster ; but it was ex tremely fortunate that the Emperor was not two hours later of being informed of it. Ihe atmy In pursuing the enemy would have exhausted its ammunition, which it would have been im possible to replace. On the 23d a great quantity of ammunition was Inn to the camp at In-der-l-ohau. Te battle of hiding, of which a circumitantial repiail "shall be made, pointing out the brave men who distioguhhed tht;rnselves therein, will, in the eyes of posterity, be a new memorial of the glory and inflexible firm/test of the French army. The Marshals the Dukes of Montebello and Rivoll on that day displayed all the powers of their military character. The Emperor has given the command of the 2d COO to Ge-. nerd Count Outllnot,' General • tried in a hundred battles, in which he has atersis evisteed the possestioq oroqual courage as skill. P44LmmENT4Rr PRQcEfPlifics, • HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNK a.. - • : The Home, in a Committee of Privileges, hearci Cetmsel on: the -Banbetiy Peerage, • Further hearing deferfed till next week. LoidISIDNOUTIT rose, and alluding to Ike *pinion its had delivered lag night en the Loan Interest . 411, and to the slugs be bad taken for entering a protest against some 01'44 provisions of the Bill, asked leave till to T rnorrow at two .4.10 ck to. enter the protest on their Lordships' Jodrnals. • The LORD Cli A N CELLO R and particularly Lord RAD/tiOR opposed the admission of the protest . as coming too late; and as such; in opposition to one 'of the Standing Ordetwor the Houk.. Lord SW.MCIPTH t . in explanation, Wit, that he cattie down . to the Htinse before the stated time (two o'clock), and . that he ithen met with one of the clerks, by whom he was informed that the protest must be entered at the Parliament office. Of this cir cumstance he had not been aware, and conwouectly was not pro - aided against it, otherwise he knight- have entered his ptotcst in j due form within the t prescribti. A)! be regorges' netts was tribe permitted to mak ime e a motion flr leave to enter his. prineet: before two o'clock to-mornaw, and to allow time for su ch Noble. Lords who wished, it to sign the Protest. : • • A desUltory conversation ensued, as to the obstacle opposed is the motion by ~wading Order, which huseepitir was got over % and the motion agreed to. . • . SCOTS JUJVCA Mir» • The Order of the Day was then read, for the House to go into a Commiitee on the Billinttatlanaed Lord'Grenville, for the . cf Suitors, in the Courts of,Sessrun.in.leotl3nd. • LORD CHANCELIARrer,eateII his former objections to the Bill, to which Lord GRENVILLE replied—alter series' mutual explanatioro, it was determined not to procend further in the Bill, which was thrown opt for the present, Session. TRIAL R . IC JURY IN SCOTLAND. Lord I3TANIIOPE next role, and presented a WI for intro ducing the Trial by Jury Into Scotland in entail! caw: 'Should the Bill succeed, the merit and honour of kr settees, would be wholly with his Noble Frieud (Lord Grenville) r if it. failed, the disgrace of its' failure should be entirely with himself. The ill was read a first time,"and'ordered to be printed The Bills oh the table were then forwarded in their re s pective Ist,:ess *nd the HOUK adjourned,: • • . I-lOUSE OF COMMOSS. The Friendly Societies, the Diat*friars Bridge Sutailay Toll, the Irish Annuities, and the Irish flog Drainage Bills, were sever rally • rally read a third time, and passed. Mr. WHAR'TON brought up the Report of •the Corrimittee on the Irish*Anction Duch* Bill, which was agreed to, ant the Bill ordered to he read a third time to•morrow. ' EOM VAr.ENTlA•pdstponed the notice he Rave on Titesday last, of a motion for the production of certain Papdra relating, to India, till next Session. Mr. VANSITTART moved that the proceeds aid amount of the propertt-tax for the last three ram, eliding on the sth of April, l WO, btoald before the Home ; as well as an wheats of the duties of Excise, up to the same period. The Consolidating Fund Bill was read a second thae, and con witted for to tr rirrow. A Message from the Lords announced their Lordships' As sent to the Publie AceetnitsAadidng Bill, and several ot'u Bills. The I'riae Money Big walk rsad a third time and passed. EDUCATION OF THE POOR IN IRMAND. m r . W. FITZGL•RALP that he should move for leave to bring in a MP, *eft Session, for ilia bzitor educaing .of the Poor in Ireland. Tile CIIDSAPEAKE. Lord HENRY PETTY give notice, that ha Woukt two* . to-morrow. for Mr. Erskine's insteuctiods whit respect to tint affair of the Chcalpeake, and the corrsarndsuce twisting tkcreto. StIPPLY. Mr. DUNDAS brought sp the Report of tlio, Coutraitteo. of Supply.—The Resolutions were reed a.secistist tithe. . . HANKF.S opposed the grant to Dr. Cirttorieht s whack was defended by the CHANCELLOR of the Estntonsat ' A tonvet %Kinn ensued, in which Lord Mt tton the ATT6R • Nity•G Nt RAL, MA Mr. 1). GI ODE pankirated ; afterl wldolsilte resolutions were agreed to, . THOMAS HUMPHHIES. Mr. WHITBREAD said, he held in his hand a'Petition from a Mr. Tho Mas Humphries. He did not vouch fur the tenth of the allegations contained therein, though (nue the respectability of the party he did net doubt their trink. The petition was then read : it set forth, that the petitfoner, Thomas Humphries, was Curate to tie Church of All Saints, in the parish of Lawley,_ Derby. Though the Prebendary of the living did dot receivp less thanr.4flol. or 35001. annually, yet the stipend of the Curate did not exceed 401. per amens for the pie formanee of the duties; an income on which be could. siot sup port that rank to 'which he Was entitled by : his bdtication. • tie therefore hoped Parliament Would Wm' case into Canada* lion, and afford him such relief as it might appear - expedient to them to grant. After a few words from Mr s WIII4IIIIAD. ..the petition was ordered to Ile Oaf the table. ' • • • PRESIDENT el TIM BOARD OP COISTROWL I N Meal* DowsiblcrsTßßET; , ••, • - - Mr. CREEVF.Y rose to call. the attention of the House tp.ffle grant of a house in Downing-street to the President of the Boa id of Comm) worth WWI. • He did. not think tau official residesice for the. President of the Board of Cancroid, frqm the circuita l . stance of his having nceasion to transact biasittess with so few per- Wigs Meet/vary;.haft if meg wertmodessart; talrety a house might have been granted that would Kaye answered every p,uryose a ;bat could have been purchased at a 4tainier rate. 'lt might be said, that it ?NU not given to him as. an. official residence, but. es .ass augmentation of Ida gaiary, 10001. helps att inadequate. reward far the performance of the duties cf that office: But this woeid not satisfy him : if given as an immerse of sal4ry, it should have been called ky its proper name ; but he confeteied Governmeng had no right, to augment his salary ahca they pte.:aed. lie ad.: mined that 20bc.1. was not sufficient,. After acme further obsess:' rations, the Hon. Gentleman moved, a, a resolution—" 'I ha: it appears to this Hetase,frotri a letter dared August t 4, 1807, that Mr. Robert Dundee, them ! President , of the.ticard of - Coattail!, made application to the J.,srde of the Treasury for .a 119IIie in Downing-street, whit* in ISO mast tl.e'pnblic 90011. and that it appears, in oisniesinenee of socb.applicat len, that' House had heed granted to hina L and that he had resided in it from that time." The Hotsouraide Gentleman then said, he would move, that . "It appears the Leeds of the l'rraeury, in making such a grant, did nest manifest a primp retard for the interests of the public, as this House are orispreitan Ito official residenc6 is necessary for the . • • . Mr. R. DIJNDAS said; that he would not argue on the grow Viety of giving an edielatresiderree to the President of the Boaral of Coo. trani f kut triers he to give an opinion ~ite.rhould crrtaisslp At, one was as necessary for the person wi:o field that office al, tee the • l *Pasitfef. • the- for . le g , the junior Lords Of the lief - eery, Da many others, to seism ofacial resi3eneee Were given. lie then noticed the grant of a residence to the Charlet.nor of the Exefiequer for Ireland. After some farther remarks, to chew the kgabty of the grant, the Right Hon. Gentleman concluded by movie g the previous question. dr JOHN NEWPORT said, the provision for the Chancel , `lot of the Exchequer for Jreland consisted partly in salary and , partly in residence. At the time he was in office, the emolument I of the Chancellor of the Exchequer for Ireland having experienced a diminution of near five hundred pounds annually, he made an application to the then Government for some increase of emolu event, in consequence of which a residence had been assigned.— tie trusted it would appear to the House, that he had asked nothing that was unreasonable, as he thought an income of 28001. . per annum, was hardly a sufficient remuheration.for the person holding that situation. Mr. WHITBREAD said, the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. R. Dun das) had stated it to be his opinion, that an official residence was necessary for the President of the Board of controul, but he had not favoured the House with the reasons on which that opinion was grounded. He had not sheaved why it was necessary. The' salary might he too small, but an increase ought not to he granted in the shape of a house. ' Lard H. PETTY said, when itioffice it was his intention to keep that house lot the 'aceentinodation of the Secretary of State for . the Horne Dapartmetit.:. The CHANCELLOR of the IRCHEQIIER stated the house to have been completely separated from the residence of the Judge Advocate-General when he carne into Ace. The Noble Lord had stated, that it w.. 3 his intention to have appropriated that. house to the Secretary of State for the Home Department. He thought it would have been found a very inadequate accom modation. He justified the disposal of the House, as if it was ad mitted that an increase of emolument was necessary, he could not see the impropriety of augmenting it by the grant of a bouae,tres, trilled the value of such an increase did not exceed the bounds 4 moderation. Mr. TIERNEY was of opinipn, that whatever censure was to be imputed, arose from the manner in which the Hon. Gentleman ~.had been allowed to entre on the possession of the premises question. • Mr. BANKES said, that great sod unnece ary public expellee was incurred by the increase of salaries through the annexation of ofneial resicien ties. • • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained. After which, he question being called fur , both Itcsolutions were negatleed without a division, • NAVAL ASYLII4 Mr. Baynes, frtm the Royal Naval AilurnArc:tight up Papers relating to the Government and Regillation or the said I.stablish ',tient—Ordered to lie on the Table. cHELt.EA lIGSPITA L. Mr. HUSKISSON moved for the copy of a letter from the Secretary of Chelsea Hospital to Mr. Hat r,son, as also the itie. ports and Estimate of the Infimary in the said Hospital.—Or dered. PLACES. AN) PENSIONS. • Mr- I WHrf'BßtAri, purniant• to notice, rose to Submit' tO th e consideration of th e Douse a inzther li mitation of the number of persons in Parliament hold in t. sinecures and Offices under the Crown. A Noble 1.(-)rd (the Member for had, heretofore made the same motion s . and investigation had been made accordingly on the • snbject ; and the Right Ho nourable Gen tleman opposite had gi vest.p. generalized report of the said offices and sinecures. &n Honour able and Learned Friend of his, in the course.of the present SeSsion, hacfbrso . tirg;:d the sane prppoSition upon the Thitd report of Finance f and the Right Ho nourable Gentleman had met it with the declaration, that• - cicononly,• 'lndefetident of influence, was the thing to he regarded. •T 4 .athendment whichlte• (Ma Whitbreaa) had then the honour to propane, he now thought proper to bring forward in , a specific shape . to the effect which he 'should mention. , Be did not •think any objection ,wrould• be urged against it; He relied upon the Might Honourable Gentle- Man paying some deference to the . opinion \ which ob tained abroad respecting avowed corruption in the House. And he would have, when next Session the motion came forward, an opportunity of persuading the Housealf-he coal do io, - that the Crowninflitence • Was leek , toet'great.' 'tor . hii part, he wasbuand tie sty, that he thought it Much stronger than it,shoutd be, and if not checked, that it May .eventuallyyover : whelm the other branches of the constitution.. .An , Honourable Gentleinan (Mr. Rose)on a former even, ing, had from his - tables made calculations which went the length of saying, that the influence of,the Crown v as less' itt present thane iv had ever been...—• ' From the unobserved itiffnence'Whichlutc(Nti. Whit, bread) was conscious then exi4ed, there certainly ep peared to him a necessity for** 'further reduction, in those pensioned teats, notwithstanding they were fewereVen than formerly they hid been. From con: cidering the extetidecr . paerotiage arising out of the army, navy, &c. it.was'inipoisible . not to pereeira the.; increasing influence of the Crown.. For instance,diel Local Militia, from 'the diSpoSal of .commissions tiletein . miny individuals woUldbe attached tothat , influence, and Members of 'that House may •be in. fhteneed through ° their constituents. A Right Hon. CA.nelerneri, on a former occasion, assumed the prat tide to hitfisllf, and left the theory to hcm. He should only say, that from the time of the .Revolution to the present day, gradnallY practical efforts had been made by the" exclustOn'of •personzhiaclingplaces or pensions, towards curtailing the influence Of the Crown, there fore, what he now prepoied was only an extension of that practice. The theory containe4 in 'the Act of i Settlement he should Coniider as mischievous, so far ai it Went to exeludefromi seats in Parliament the necessary officers oftioards of:Government ; but he must declare, that there were admitted more than, in his opinion, were teceiiary, 'AR the. Lords of the Ad- Miralty he clitirtot think necessary, two of them and tthe Secretary were as many as w ou ld b e su ffi c i ent f oe the purpoie of improving their knowledge in that de, p';irtutent by' an intercourse With. Parliament. The, Clerk orthe - Ordnancd it would ,be expedient to have to the Home,: but it was not proper that the: store; keeper' the ti'easurer, or the clerk Of the deliveties o ; -• shititabaire Zeita"theidin. Unconnected as the Board . of CoOtrottr was with general * Parliamentarr detail, ' he did- not think it necessary to have more than the President a Member of that House, if a Commoner. lii ell the great official.depar_tments,..the headO.alon were suf Eierit to holdseo .in Parliament . Afier *flying the u tility - of the officers of .his Majesty's hdusehold . having seats in Parhament, and asserting that' they ''•cOuld only beintivdticed to support the Cf6Wit4itirogative; : `thell*.uialle Gentleman ad `Vetted td" the statute lit veep Anne and George I. upon -the subject Of seats heldby th ose who enjoyed pensions, either for life otp•,:feinn of-years. • He disc claimed' 'Any connection Of his present measure with Parlianteritary Reform, and only wished to unite-the parties who were favourable and adverse to that measure. The Honourable Gentleman concluded, by -moving a Resolutiottto this effect : • • ..•Thu the House, in the course of the next Session, will.take Into its consideration the neceisity of litn!ting the number of those *Tsang who hold *etas in Parliament, together with emoluments -and places under the CroWn." • Mr. ROSE made tome observation; similar to those Oiieh be PirPtect. 011, ~11 Arnier occasion, stating the iittiii,4; : of; persons *AO. in consequence ofiudr laws • 'as were adverted to, bad been disqualified. • The in. fluence of his Majesty's Household could not be za great in that House as was asserted, foi though is 1781, when Mr. Burke brought forwari, a measure to the same effect, many Grooms of the Bedchamber were allowed to retain their seats, 'yet,. at prese nt , there was but one holding a seat in Parluirrent. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUir. -should shortly state his grounds for opposing the reo .tion. The House, in adopting the resolJtion crthe Honourable Gentleman, vould record its w its gt oiptx:piieini thate zilft n th o e ur p a r b o l p e r m iet e y m o b f e a r p st r e o p po s s i e n d ii , li a ie nd to tt r . at which the H o . 'that a diminution of placemen hoh. 4 ing . House should be made. In this way the . .. House weuli not leave thin s as they found them, whir% by ne. gativing the lion. Gentleman's motion: they. would and yet the lien. Gentleman be at fui; libertr to bring it forward agiin in the next Session, rithr , nt being in any way prejudged by the rejectiln rt it at the present moment. The Hon. Gentleman !1:n1 that the motion was peculiarly necessary at rune, opinions hiving been expressed which had never befote been urged, namely, that the influence of the Crown was not wholly excluded from that House. He (Mr. Perceval) however contended, that the existe nce o f some Partial influerte of the Crown in that House was never at any time disputed. Ia the famous n io . tion, for instance, which the Hon. Gentleman seemed to hitt. in vier in brin;ing forward his resent.motion --namely . ; s' that the influence of the Crown had in treßsed; was increasing, and ought to be diminished," such influence was to ii certain degree recognised, else the Motion ntould,havebeeo, not that it should be minished, but that. it should be' atsolislutd, end lemur. eel out of those walls. That the feeling's of the people bore testimony to the existence of abuses, 'he deule:l. He admitted that meetings were held, and that popu. hi Demagogues there talked of abeses. put that the sentiments of the people were to be colleetedhom those meetings ovharangues, lie utterly denied. The lion. Gentleinati, ,even if, lie should soccced in his motion, would•not please any person but himself . ..4f be should even be able to dislualify thirty' f the pet. sons against whom his Motion was - directed, there would be others who would exclude the other iweety. Mr;TIERNEY said,. if 'hic Honourable Friend would link hit Motion to a Resolution, that the House Should in the next SessiOntif Parliament entir into theconsiderition of the subject alluded to in his notice, he should agree to the' motion. He e4ef tained every regarkfor the public opinion ; bat he concurred in . the propriety o f this resolittion„ not as fotinclea on public opinion; but as. .arising out of the Report As( a committee of that House. - He thought, however, that there never was a more difficult ques tion. Was it Impossible, for 4tstaisci, that .aOel'soll who had 'regred after meritorious services to the State, on O. Pension, might nor still continue an excellent Member of Pariiamenr? Again,as topert teeing pen far life, he . did not' see any . cause why they ahould, on that account, be excluded from seats •isi that House. 4s to persons holding offism,however, that was different . ; and if there were even fasji-pfr. Fins holding offices which did not require ;heir per. sonal service in that House, he thought they,,ooght to_be excluded.' He 'did not pledge ~himself, how ever' as to the extent he should go ou this sohjeet, Lord FOLKSTONE objected' to Pensioners, for Life holding . seats in Parliament, rot because they voted for or against Administration, but because they hid not the same interest as the body Of the people at' large, or had rather an interest clisting..o6m them. If *they did not expect any thing .froA, ginietcrs, therefore, they had their debt of grAtlp*,4p wty , them, and did not continue with the • •• -•&_.at true And 'honest representatives ought' to . On this ground he objected to them as much , a s to persons 'haviii7 pensions during pleasure s Lord H. PETTY, eould not consider giiersi4iietion of offices in that House as en. efficient #tep,towards purifying Parliament ; althoughthe general influence of the Crown bad considerably increased, the ;au -ence of the Crown, by 'persons holding. laces having seats in that House, had as ecrosidefahly . .aminishe4 In 1738, 254 .Members of the House oCCOuwions *ere piaceistry, to the amount of selit,ooo annual 'value. He readily admitted that there were some in,- d tid ividuals, such as the Welch fudges athe Masters in Chancery, who ought to be excluded from the House'of Commons ; but he allowed, at the same time, that it was indispensible that the Ministers:of the Crown, and all thcise who were actively engaged in public business, should not be so excluded. . Mr. PONSONBY felt no difficulty in agreeing to his Hon. Friend's motion, satisfied as he was that there were some individuals holding - cif:likes, whom it was expedient. to excbide from the Hattie. .9f,Coto• mons, although he As not prepared to say to whet 'precise extent this principle ought to be carried. As to the idea of excluding all placernen, however, with' the exception perhaps of half. a dozen, it appeared Icihim to originate in the most complete ignorance cf 'the Constitution of the Country, and o f the practise of our Government. He did not wish to see all those excluded wl o . held sinecure offices, the tenure. of which in many cases rendered the holders wholly in dependent of the Crown. The same principle applied to those who had'.pensions for life. I-le held pension for life, but he did net consider himself obliged t tho Crown for it. He held it by Act of Parliament Arty individual who had heels . Chancellor was enti tled•to stiCh'a pension' ' and Withreason, for he could :not continue Chancellor if he diiagreed with the Ad ininistnition of the day ; and . if he leitted office it would be impossible for him to return to his profes sion. Walk therefore to he said, that such an indi- Vidttai had no common interest with the community? :The indirect influence of the Crown had unquestion ably increased in.an unparalleled manner, by the in crease of the army , of the navy, of the p a tronage of the Revenue, Otc. It was right, therefore, to try whe ther something could not be done at once satisfactory to the House and to the public, and useful to the Government itself. Lord FOLKSTONE explained, that he did not mean that Pensioners had no common interest with the people, but that they had an interest separate and apart from the interest of the people. r. CANNING could not agree with the premises of the Hon. Gentleman ; of course, it could net be expected that he should agree in his conclusion. He did not admit.that the influence of the Crown had increased; on the contrary, he was satisfied that as to seats in Parliamept it was greatly diminished. : The '"le Lord (Petty) had" fully confirmed this by