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P .iR lAMENTA '‘r PROCEEDINGS. • HOUSE OF I.ORPS, FRIDAY, JULY 51. - In the appell, " Mayo. Wharton," Mr. FONSLANCISIS was )e of in r, ply, for the Refpondent. Judgment will be given 00 Tea lay. The Fall India Bonds. Pollee C fee Warhoullng, London Cnal Mat ket R egu'atio n, and fermi p-ivate Bills, were brought op from the Commons, and read a firft time. The Order of the Day being read for taking his Majefty'a rage. refpetting the fettkment of Frograore Houle, into centl• . . . dt:ration. Lord HAWKESBURV Paid, that be was authoriltd to declare Ids Mai , fty's coolant to the bill, as far as his tights wars concerned Tbe'Earl of MOIRA made the fame declaration on the part of I bia Royal lilghne's the Prince of Wake IRISH INSUILRECTON RILLS Upon the third readmg of this Bill, the Duke of 1151,7011 D, the East FlTZWilLttilli, and L0rd.1401 ,- taw% propoted various amendments. which were re jeCted, after a Jefultory debate, in which they were lupported priocipally by Lord Hot.t.amo ; and op poled by the Lotto CHANCFLWA, Lords Haweas avaY, R.Entsust.s, and MULGRAVB. To the claufe fixing the duration of the Bill at two years' The Duke of BEDVORD pivoted as an Amend ment that it (Mould be limited to otte year only. Lord HOLLAND ropported the Amen dntent, and contended that the way to tranquilize Ireland was not by palling bills of this charadler but adopting t.ox ards it a mild and conciliating dierifition, admit • ting all clifres 'III fubjeds within the pale of the Confliturion and modifying theryfient of tythe laws. The bake ' of MONTROSE raid, that be had only one ohjeftion to the Bill. which was, that it Was not to conatie for a longer• tom than two years. tie .deprecated the perpetual agitation of the fuppoTed grievances of Ireland in that Hanle) and other places. If the perking who made there the condom theme of their declamations were to be believed, all the dlf tonients which prevailed in that country were to be attributed to the government. This was not the way to make the peopk obedient or ratisfied. Lost& DMOUTH obrerved, that if he were dif pored tirr..pport the Amendment, it would be from the high refpat which he felt for the Noble Mover. Upon all quellions relating to Ireland, the opinion of the Noble Duke was entitled to great weight. The mildriefs, prudence. and Rustles of his Governatrat. tinting the (knit time be remained there. could - lot be too much applauded. He wilted chat infisad of perpetnally reminding the rubjeth of chat part of the United Empire of their grievances-w-inftead of telling them what was withheld from them, they firould be &two what they erj .yed, and taught to compare their fitua;inn, under the Btitellr Conlikution. with the date of the people i t that country. to which it. w4l {aid th e y looked for deliverance. His Lordfhip &eared himielf in favour of the, Clank, as it tided in the B;11. The Eat 1 of G ROSY ENO R rupported . the Armen& Nett. Lord MULGRAVE a&ed, whether any one of shore noble Lords-who fupperted. the Aniendment, would pkdge themfelvel, that an the difeontents by which the people of Ireland were agitited at cadent would difappear in the comfe .of a year If they would, that certainly would be Cowie inducement for bim to adopt their Amendment: He could perceive 1,0 reaf nable objeftion for cirsentlin4 the Bill tao }ears or even a longer period. 'the 13411, in fad, was a dead letter upon the Statute ticuilt, it was not to be put in force except an abOute neer:lv should arife for giving area to its provitions. The queftion being put op the Ainemlnkat, it was negatived s% il-ut a dirifion. The Bills in ptogreft were forwarded in thcir ref= peEtive liages.—Adjourned till to morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The London Coal Motet MIL the bobßri Peeing MI. the D r itith ctibery BM, the Woollen ClteMer'S Bill, and the Itifh Rlf etnrae Re g ulation Bill; were feyerally read a third time and pate Mr. J. BAOWN brought up the Fourth Report of the Coht• snitoners on the Caledonia! Canal, from the Ealtcrn to the Wet tern Sea.—Ordered to lie on the table. The Bait India jodieature Lift. *eft brought op. and ilterted t o a Committee to report to-morrow the names of twenty MOW bell who arc in the greatett number of Lifts. • TbeS.onimittees on the Military Canal, end the Malta Trade lOW 4ltre deferfed to Monday. • oedeted,That the Hnufe to-morrow ref.lve Bret loto - a dna , ak ,„ of th e whole Heide, to confider of the proptief Of deport- Irith White and Brown Linen. The Fonign Goods Export Repeal Bin. and the German Lifts till, Were Pveralty read a fecond time, and ordered to be eon tiritted fo-motiosti. The Reports on the Cedorrial IMpettes Blll i tits Cslieo Dlsty the Pliblie Accost. tants' Bill, and the Pot Offme (Hamhurgh ..elms) were feet:ally brought up and agreed to, and the Bilis or -14 red to he read a third time to.morroW. ti l e frith Silk Duty Bill, the SWedith Herrings Import Bill, and Irith Spirit Otawback Surpention Bill, were federally read tot, and ordered to be read a fecund time tomorrow. A iVlelrage from the Lords informed the lioufe, that their Lord- Chips had agreed to the Curacoa Free Port Bill, the frith Annuity Bill, and the Milker, CiffinxilSoneid Continuance Bill, without any amendments. The Report of the Committee on exempting Weft India pro dnee from the Auetion ht in the wet brought up and agreed to, and a Bill ordeied to be brotigreon. FAST INDIA ESTIMATES: Mr. CR F.EVEY PVC notioe.that he would oft Monday Mite tbat-the t ftimatea of the EaR India Aieounts. for the years de6 and tgb.4, be made out in a different way from that on the table. IRISH MILITIA TRANSFAR I'LL. The Houfe went into a Commitief en fhe bide Militia Trani ter till it which a elaufe was addld fnf limited !Crake. Mr CA 1.0 RAF f eked . what the bounties woe propofed to IN? L or d CAST 1. ER FAG caw! red, eight guineas for liatiecd r and is guineas for unlimited fereite. CHURCHIS IN tRILAND- Slr JOHN NEWPOR I asked the Chancellor dt the Etehe quer. tall, thcr he meant, carp in tht nest Sefhons to bring tot. ward any iae..fure on the. R e ports of the A rehbithops id Ireland kens at this moment a fulled of the greateft important*: and lee bad underftood from the Primate : of ?Aland, that in. one din ex& alone there Were ten parldtti, in Whirls !herd *OH white church, aloe boufe, nor refident Clergyman TheCHANCRI.LOR of the MCC HE Walt affilfdd to Right Wm. Baronet, and the Houfe, that this was a fubjed, of the Im portune of which be was very Well and fhat he Mould de dicate as mach of his time as peffiblt td it ddrhig she fedeie, sad Would certainly fuhinit Ranh arysfors to t h e ese i deatidd of the Houk on Ii early in the nest delhun. GalslßAl STAYS OF IRILANS. Mr. SHERIDAN gave notice, that he would on Friday next submit a Rcfnlution to the osonfidetatiOn of the Houfe, on the prefent general Rate of Ireland. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER melted he would Rate what was the e nato rt Z t h e motion he intended to make, that Hon. Members might come better prepared Inc i t . Mr. SHERLDAN answered, th a t what he &mid' t opofe %%odd be, that the Vouie Mould come to a bong pledge, that early in the next Seffion they ' of ialeAdminiftration, when Baron Hardenberg, who would enquire into the caufes of the dircontents Which wesektniwn to be adverfe to the French intertfts, was had tendered it neceffary to pafs fuch a bill as that made Prime Minifler, and every promife given to: which had recently pallid the Houfe (the Inform; enter vigoroufly on the profecution of the• war,. an Lion Bill), ,idea had gone abroad that the Court of Praia had commisus of SUPPLY. preferved a great part of its treafures, and this ad• The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEg. . vance had been withheld till it was proved that was moved the Order of the Day, for the Houfe to refolve i not the cafe ; and he could inform the Honourable' itfelf into a Committee of the whole Houle to con- Gentlemen that this advance had twice relie ve d the filer further of the Supply granted to his Houfe, ; gallant garrifon of Colherg, and enabled them to hold and that his Majelty's Meffige, the Confolidated out to the end of the war. Fund, Vote of Credit, the remaining. Army Elli- Mr. WHI rBREAD Paid, he believed Lord' 1 mates, &c. be referred to the Paid Committee. j H utchinfon had been ordered to make this advance, i The Houle then went into the Committee (Mr. I at a time when it was much againft his judgment fo HOBHOUSE in the Chair). , I to do; and he asked, if Government had not re- Mr. Secretary CANNING Paid, that in moving a • ceived letters from Lord Hutchinfon, in which he grant to his Majelty on the feveral Meffages, the firs, laid, that if a general battle took place, utile& fuch in point of time, was that delivered to the Houle in and loch things were done, it mull go . againft the: March hill, in which his Majeny recommended to Allies. the Houfe to make good, but which were not, from Mr. CANNING acknowledged that Lord Hotch• a variety of circumfiences, of which the Houfe were talon had, by letters, expreffed himfelf to that effeB, aware, not yet made good, and which was therefore and he had alfo, by letters, wilhed his Mejetly's propofed now to be made fo—this was the Ann of prefent Miniilers to be fpeedy in fending nut the Bri -80,0001. advance& to his Pruffian Mejelly, by the t tith army that had been promifed , which was an s. confent and authority of the late Adminittration. i inufly eepeBed by him, and by the Allied Powers. -The Mirage delivered the other day might be di• Whether Lord Hutchinfon had any authority for tided into three parts, the first branch of which fuch expeitations, he could not fay ;—he finspored was, the Swedilh fiffifidy, on which, however, be mull have had it. Certain it was, however, that no payment had yet been made. He would, how. wheh his Majefly's prefent Minillers came - into office, ever, inform the Committee, that the ffipula• they found fuch an impreffion prevailed, not only on Lions were of this nature: by culling treaties, his I the mind of Lord Hutchinfon, but in the minds of Swedifb Majelly was to keep up in Pomerania, a i the Allied Powers, and yet they did not find a tingle force confuting of rz,ooo men, which was to aft in i atom of preparation for it; nay, even the tranfports sonjunilion with the Rullianf:and Protliors, the King had been difcharged, which would have enabled of ?raffia having engaged to furnifh to,ooo men for them to convey troops, fo that it was not in their that fervice. On this account it was then thought power to fend any adifiance of this kind, however neceffery to make a fmall addition to the Swedifh great their defign to do fo. This was a matter on force, amounting to 4000 men, in order to give the i which he had no intention of entering into this even- Allies as impofing a 'sedition there as they were able, log, but as the Hon. Gentleman had forced it on him . and thole 4000 men were to be paid for at the fame I he could not avoid laying what he had done. tate as the former. No payment, however, had yet Mr. WHITBREAD laid he was glad he had Aced been made, and he would not therefore call on the the question, though the Right Honourable Gentle , Committee at prefent, for any fum of money on that man feemod to think he had thereby brought his account, as it would properly c me into the next ; Friends into hazard ; ihs, however, was not the Army Effimates, and be included in the vote of ere.. cafe. The Right Honourable Gentleman had laid, die. The films which he fhould now alit of the Com. i that at the opening of the Campaign, Lord Hutchin. - mittee to vote, were the advance of too,oool. lately lon thought a Military Force would be fent from made by Lord Hutchinfon, in contemplation .4 the 1 Great Britain. It Ilsould be recollected what time treaties which were to have been made, had not dr. the war hroke out, and if it were, he thought not cumtlances unfortunately frustrated that intention, the int:Allen blame could be laid to the theme of the which (tun of too,oool. toeether with the lam of late Adminithation. That event happened in No , fild,oool. before advanced, and the fum due for arms vember ; and was there after that, any time, before 'and ammunition, amounting to 200,0001. were to they went out of office, to fend out any troops, or at , have been deduced out of the fuLlidy to be granted lean Inch a number as would have done any fetvice ? I thofe treaties. It remained, therefore, 5 • r the It fhould alfo be recolleted , that at the commence- Ct:mince only to vote, which he lied no doubt they meat of the war, the King of Pruflia was aaually at would do, the firms aEtuall% advanced ; that far arm. war with us, and not an Ally. But what had the and aMmunitOn having been fu.niffied mit of his veleta Minitters themfelves done in this refpeit ?-... 1 Maje Sty's ordnance and Hares, aro old more properly '['hey had come into office ever Since the beginning tome under and be included in the vote of credit., of April. and during the whole of that time, feeling His prefent motion would therefore only go to tine the nectffity of fending a force to the affiliance of the ' 'Bei,cool. and that at:Wally advanced by L ad i intch• I Allied powers, they had never colleted a Graphs Won, under the •anthority of the prefent Govern• tranfpnwt, till the middle of June; and after all, mad. He concluded by moving, what force had they fent—lnch a one as was not ade is Thus ken nee eiceedine tBO.-ert he granted to MS Maielly i quite to enable the Xing of Sweden to keep the field. to make good the fums fo advanced" As to the tranfports being difmifTed, it was a very Lord H. PETTY laid, he acquiefced in voting I w if e Rep, for it had fated the nation an espence of thole fume, as it (hewed that the [Helena Adininitira- 1 400001. a month, which would have been paid up to tion had the fame confidence in the h..n tut and jittlg : this time if they had been kept. meat of L-rd Hutchinfon as had been entertained by • I I Lord CAb'TLEREAGH was lorry to train& on the laft. As no fum had been alked for on,account 1 , t h e t i me o f the Committee, but it was impoinble for of the Swedint treaties, he could not, with any pro- ' him to let pafs force of the obfetvatione of the Ha , . prrety, enter upon that fobjea, than otherwise he 11 , u na ble Gentlemin without a comment . Firit, he fhould have been inclined to doubt whether Sweden ' dad dec lared j that he had thouglathe late Adr a inif. a could have increed the number of men fo much as I :rati▪ on ultifiest in not having tent out any luccours 40co, and of courfe timid alfo have doubted the 1;o the Allies, becaufe tf:ere w:.s no time for doing fo. propriety . and . policy of the treaty. !Ibis he denied to be the fa& The blow which was Mr. WHITBkEAD ofked, if it was not intended ' aimed and had lincs . fallen on Pruffia was not fudden, to lay before the Houle Tome information refpaing j et . was known for many months ; and during all that the nature of thofe treaties which had been entered M ime they (offered themfelves to be made dupes at into With the ting of Profile, in order that 'hey • p„ti am, ▪ and were engaged in a negr elation which they Might form fotne degree of judgment on the policy i mull I ingbefore have Peen would end as it did. Dur and prudence which had dictated them. laid, be did not fee 1 ing the whole of that period it was known to every Mr. Secretary CANNING cue there were conferences ef an angry nature going haw, according to the ufage of Parliament, he could iatward between Prutlia and France, which ended in my before the Houle a treaty which had never been the attack on Pruffia, who then was indeed only no completed and not at all rifled up on. Mr. WHITBREAD laid, that according to the rninally at war with us ; and yet, while this Maw was aiming at Pruflia, after lending themfelves, to fituatien of the King of Pruflia for a c Hoi,lerahle heir own dilgrace, to he the dupes of France, they time pate, , he Should have thought that makin any iliffered themfelves to be totally unprepared. The ffi large advance to the King of Pru a was impolitic. H onourable Gentleman had Paid, the King of Prutlia He Should have been glad to have fetal the provitions 1 tad not forces to deferve a fubfitly, but be was much of the treaty, and thought it was necefrarr the mistaken ; the foc e efs of the battle at Preuflich Eylau Houle Should have information on fo important a I was in a great degree owing to the gallant behaviour point. o f 3 a Prullian corps under General Leflocq, and the Mr. CANNING laid, he did not fee how loch a 1 I uffian Government had (hewn to this Government, communication could with propriety be made by his t h at t h ey h ad (lilt ex illing a Pruflian force of not lefs M4jelty'e Milliners. If, however, the Honourable Gentleman wished particularly for information on than sto,ooo men, which it was both necellary and polhic in this country to afful. The Honourable the fubjeel, he might move for it and the Houle would then determine whether it ought to be grant. Gentleman alfo upbraided the prefent Government for not having made any tnilitary exertittns. On this ed. For his own part he regretted, as much as the head he would only fay, that when they came into Honourable Gentleman, that the treaties could not I or he wished the elm-1 office, they found no means for loch exertions.— with propriety be laid open, for of the prefent Government to be enquired into. 1 Antonga the troops which were looked for to be fent They were well convinced of the propriety and pot. to the Continent, cavalry was thought to be mat ' hey of their meafures, arid proud of what they had deferable, and was what we could belt have furnifh. done. In both cafes the advances had been made in ed ; but it mull be reconciled that tranfports for ea- Wes of great and preffing emergency, and formed • tally required much more preliminary preparation only a [ mall part of the fubfldy which was to have ' than any others ; yet, when he came into office, he been paid in confequence of the treaties, had they been . found only one folitary tranfport for cavalry, though they had been fo much prefred for them from the eoMpleted. there was a 1 Con tinent . . He had reafon to doubt the policy of Mr. WHITBREAD laid he thou ght very anaterial difference in thole two advances. The . paying off the tranfports, though they fh , uld have colt 40,0001. a month. It might be in the fpirit of 80,0001. had been granted for the putting the for that of Sadie in order,and adding to their Strength. that lublime economy which was the balls of the The too , oool. was part of that immenfe film of a - Noble Lord's grand plan, and which meant to adorn million which the prefent Government had agreed to that fine and fallacious fyflem, but it was not con. pow give the Kill of Profile, to enable him to carry on . fifient with the political views of a great and When it Was confidered what Taft fum: I erful notion. He found, however', on his firs en- Aft war. had formerly been advanced in the way of fubfidies ! trance into office, a peremptory order from the Tree. and recolleiled hew they had been applied, he ' I fury to difmifs every tranfport from the fervice, though thought-the prefent Government ought to have been 'fo far from the expence being 40,0c0l a month, it ed the country was not 4,0001.; and, if the late Government did not *cry cautious how they again Myrtle in loch a calamitous fyf They ought to have mean to abandon entirely all farther Continental eked what the King of Proffia had to give them in conflation., they fhould rather have increafed the return for this immenfe fum of a million ? He be. tranfports than diminifhed them, which, in his mind, sieved it was known that gteat ! part of the mercer was the very worst kind of economy. The prefent advanced did not go to 'support the forces c the Government, however, proceeded as fpeedily as poffible; they could not fend out the troops they had king of Pruffia, but wee paid at Berlin to keep oi loupe done to the King of Sweden, which he had preffed the Slate of the Emperor of France ; and he was them for as aitually pledged to him, former than portage the King of Pala% had not a force under they did, for want of tranfports, of which they d i d not his command, and within his power, to grant which , find even a fined of preparation. If they appeared could, by any means, require the payment of fuch ' inert in the beginning of their adminifiration, it was a wall hem as a million. owing to their being tied up by the fupinenefs of their Mr. CANNING laid, the advances were made at predecetTors. The tuitions,' they had lately made, the time of the change made by the Court of Pruffia had been executed with rapidity, which was entitled to great credit, becaufe there had been due prepara tions made fur it. Had that been the cafe with th& 'late Government, we might have afforded prnt e ai,, n to our Allies. Ruffia expelled it, and Sweden alto yet, owing to that falfe economy, that pitiful raving by the difmilTal of the tranfports, we had not been lable to do it till the time was palled, and the oppor tunity 101 l for ever. The fa& was, that if we had not a9ually landed a man on the Continent , but had dif played a itrong force in the Downs, ready to pree ce d to any point were they might he wanted, France would not hart dared to have lent the whole of her confcripts to her army in Poland, and it would have been impolllble for her to have added to it an accu. mutation of „moon men. IT we had kept a force of only 30,000 men in the Downs, France muft not only have kept herfelf ftrong in. Holl.tnii to that amount; •but in France Well alio, on every point on which the . . was liable to lie attacked, fo that theadtantages that were to be derived from a die are of preparation were almoti incalculable. Indeed, when fira h e cam ,: into office, he faw that his Majefly', la:e Minitler* theinfelves found they had too long poOponed any attempt at co-operation in aid of our Allies on the Continent, and that the indignation of the Country would have forced them to a& ;—yet fo flow wens they in preparation, they had tied up the hands of their fucceff.rs by leaving them without arty means of acing with fufficient promptitude to afford hopes of fuccefc, until it was too late. _ Mr. WINDHAM, inftead of reproaching his Maw jelly's Minifler, with not having anfwered all the ar guments of his Honourable Friend (Mr. Whitbread) he gave them credit fir referving all their declama tions againfl the conduft•of their predeceffurs, to dt introduced occafionally in the place of argument, and at times and upon occafions, when from the thinnefs of the Houle, and the irregularity of the occalion, they did not expeet to be fully anfwered. He wasnot in the Houle when this ditcullion originated; but fo far as he could learn, there was nothing in the fpteeh of his Hon. Friend but fpecific flatements upon the fubildies to Pruflia and Sweden, inflead of antivesing which the Noble Lord launched forth into a vague and defultory fpeech upon fubjeCts totally differ. ent, and took his flight from the fubjed imme diately in difcuffion to the general policy of t'ae war, and to general charges of mileoridua again* his predeceffors in the conduit of that war. This wag not a moment, nor was there an opportunity of an fwering thole charges brought forward obliquely and incidentally as they were ; but the Houle would recolless that, from the very commencessent of shrift accufations, which began with the serum of that Noble Lord and his Friends to power, he and his Friends had repeatedly challenged them to bring forward their accufations in a regular and fair way, which, if they had any grounds, it would be but pro. per for them to do, and, in julticc themfelves, th e y afraid be bound to bring forward;. Int after four months, during which they thought fit to decline thofe challenges, they now again repeated their imputations in the expeaation, that in thin houfes, and at a period ' of the Salon when it is impoffible to go into them at large, they might go forth to the public unrefined. The Noble Lord had charged his Hon. Friend wirh ; giving rife to this invettigation ; and truly is, id return, had made the bell de of the opportunity, which ferved him for all purples of unfaitaafs met mittatement, although for four months he and his friends had refilled every invitation to bring itaward their charges in a regular way. It was insfro(fible, however, to be prepared to go into the full dtfcuffina of fuel) cieflions, obliquely and incidental?) , intro duced, as whether it was right to have fent an army to this place cr that ; or how far the late Minifters ought to have fubfidized aids money, or aided with tror ps, one Power or another? but, in Gmrs's name, if the Noble Lord and his friends walled fairly to go into the enquiry on the fubjea, let them name a day for that put pole. For the prefent, he would only fay, I that it appr ared to his Majefly'slate Mininers ridi. culous, to have fent fuch a force to the Continent a; this country could, with any degree . of prudence, have (pared, or as could have the lull probability of aff.,rding any effeaual aid to the Allies under exift , ing circumflances, when there was thong probability ' that the whole might fail, and that the'. very next thing we fhould have to look to, mutt be .our own defence at home. With refpea to the fubfidy, on which the late Minifters were charged with other criminal omiffion, were they, he would. A, to turn the country into a great bank for Europe, upon which the Powers of the Continent were to draw at pleafure ? Were we to pay all the nations of Europe for defending themfelves, and thus take away every inducement for their own financial exertions ? But, let the queflion be fairly gone into, and he was pre pared to meet it. It was Paid, they ought to have fent both money and troops to Roffia, previous to the late campaign in Poland. In his own opinion, they were not bound to fend either. But, if they were ever Cu much inclined to fend both, was the (eaten arrived in which it was praaicable ? or could it be hoped that any portion of troops this country could have fent would have been of any avail, con fidering the immenfe armies that had then taken their Ration, and were ready to flake every thing up' on one great battle ? The Right Honourable Gen tleman (Mr. Canning) had Aced why the Cont; nental Powers were taught to expert aids, in wee and money, from his Majefly's late Minitters, cad why were thofe promifes siolated ? To this /4 would anfwe ,r by another queflion. How woo the Right Honourable Gentleman to know soy fuch thing ? That troops and money have been es perlled by thole Powers, was very much in the courts of things ; but that any fuch promifes were made, he totally denied ; and therefore, when thofe fads fo often afrerted, were taken away, the whole by. pothefis of the Right Honourable Gentleman fell to the ground. 'I he next charge was, that of milling tranfports neceffary to convey troops, ark any hidden emergency. 'fbis was not the fall. No tranfports were difmiffed, but .thofe employed fat three months, which could again be had at any time, namely, thole for conveying troops on fhort voyagese but he had retained there tranfports which were en gaged for fix month,, which could not be fo readily had without a conficteraUe increafe of price s and which were more effeftual for general fervice, name ly, copper fheathed (hips, and of thole he left the Noble Lord a much greater dine of tonnage than he found on his own acceffion to r ffice. The Noble Lord afked why we did not Kirke a (hew of fending