Star. — London, England, 1816-03-26 00:00:00

• 1 -s^r•T7l.•••L r .,. .-...:."'"•4l!=j=•=l.....assr=r2ss=m ' heett Mir which rere customary on the return of Tre4:ce.. During the peace of 1802, there had been no 4.7 mrui,ssitinek ‘ at Antigua ,or Nova Scotia.— The it ridi.pwrtment .of the Navy, he considered a ne-led4dlard oppressed service, in comparison with the Army. The Admirals had been deprived of the prize money, which they bad formerly received, with. out any compensation. He did not know how it was possible, Pilot an Admiral should now on some ta ttoos, the West Indies for instance, keep up a table like as Admiral, or even like a Warrant Officer.— .An instance of the different treatment of the Army and Navy, was to be seen at St. Helena. Admiral Cockburn was sent there—with an allowance some what increased to be sure—bat Sir H. Lowe had 812,000 a-rear.—(Hear, hear).- And no one could deny that Admiral Cockburo's sitisation was by far the most disagreeable. Sir H. L' we was shut up in the island only, hut Admiral Cockburn eas shut up in a box—for the cabin of a man of war was nothing better. When Officers of the Army abroad drew for their pay, they were paid in solid coin the full amount, in any quarter of the globe,. but the NA val Officer was subject to lose on the rate of Exchange. He did not wish that the country should at this time be put to any new expense, but at least both the services should I e put on the same footing, especially as they had borne all their hardships during the war without a murmur. The Naval officers were obliged, when they took their half pay, to take an oath that they enjoyed no other Ova or molts rent under Government. The officers of the army took no such oath—(l sr they do firm the Ministerial side of the House.) At any rate miiitary officers to his knowledge had enjoyed their half pay, and at the ante time received the full allowances of Governors of fortresses. He had been once inclined to think it hard that no half pay was allowed to Master's-mates and Midshipmen, but upon mature consideration he laind that subject attended with many difficulties, for if half pay were allowed to there officers, the Navy might be filled with persons who entered with other motives than a love to the service, and who would net be likely to form Nelsons and St. Viacents. After enjoying their half pay for years on shore, it might be found that they would not be able or willing to serve the country. He saw no reason, however, why wounded officers in the Navy should not be put on the same footing as those in the Army, with respect to pent-ii.ns. Mr. CROKER hoped the House would give Mi _ sisters an opportun:ty t l / 4 .extiain all the details in the Committee, to which the Honourable Admiral and the I lonourable Gentle twin who spoke before hin► 11:1.1 Objected. Ile pltdged himself to give every anvil. Con to t:;em, and I•rove thtlr neces'ity. He wished to set the ll , :use ►ight with respect to the spetch of the a.:nourable Gentleman who opened thy debate, who could not surely be serious, in calling on every independent man in the Honse t send beck the Es. tktnaies, rat'aer than submit to buclf a burthen as £2.1,000 more in tie first year of peace than in the last year of war. Why, he could wit be ignorant that there never was a period .fter a war, from the Treaty of Utrecht downwards, without there having been always an increase in the ordii:ary Estimates of the Navy. He would prove this fact to his convic tion. In ti e year 1711, the first year after the peace of Ulrecltt, the excess of this branch of the service was, when money was so much less depreciated than at present. £29,000. This bore such a.proportion to the whole, as to be three twentieth parts of the Esti mate. But as the Ordinary Estimates of the Navy always increased in times of peace, by the expenses of bringing home ships, laying them up in ordinary, &c. &c. so they always decreased in time of war, by the diminution of expense in all the civil branches.— In 1739 they amounted to £129,000. In the fallow ing year, the first of war, they were diminished two. twentieths. He should state the diminutions and augmentations in this way, as being snore easily com prehended. In 1748, the last year of war, the ordi nary Estimates were X 208,000 ; in 1749, the first year of peace, they were 0.485,000, being an increase of g77,t4k, or 17.9.0ths of the whole amount. la 1755, the last year of peace, they were tr2SO,OOO ;- 1 3 1756, the first year of war, they had diminished to 41.19,000, or 4-20ths of the whole amount. In 1762, the last year of war, they . were A 272,000 ; and In 1763, the first year cf peace, they rose suddenly to X 380,600, being an increase of X 106,000 in that year, ter B.2oths of the whole. In 1775 they were eg444,000 : in 1776, the first year of war, they fell again to X 1,26,000, being a dimination • of dt16,000. In 1783, the last year of - war. they were £451,000 ; in 1781. the first year of peace,they swelled t 04101,000, being an increase of 11.20tha cf the whole. (Hear.). In 1792, the last year of peace, they were a1i672.(X30; in 1793. they sunk to £669,0:'0, being only a trifling diatinution of smoo, but which was owing to pecu liar circunutances. In 1802, the last year of war, or as it might be said of peace, the war being renewed in the spring of 1803, though terminated only in 1802, the Ordinary Estimates were X 1,058,000 ; in 1803, they were £1,228,000, being an increase of 41170,000. The increase of the E s timates in the last peace only appeared to be 3.2oths, whereas, in other times of peace, they were 6,7, 9, 10, and even 11- 110ths. He then justified the proposed increase, which could not be otherwise than moderate, it being now only 4-20ths, being less than in any former Estimates tif the Navy which could possibly be found.—(Bear, her, hear.) This he considered au answer to what the Honourable Gentleman called a iir;atafacie case, es he said he would receive no answer but in figures, which answer he had given him.— (Hear, /star, hear.) The extraordinary increase of the half pay was a cir. Mimi:me which he (Mr. Croker) had not noticed. He defied the Honourable Gentleman to find in any branch or department one single instance of a dimi. elution the first year of peace; In the Committee he pledged himself to prove, that so tar from there being any extravagance, whatever the Honourable Gentle- Stan thought so was absolutely public economy. m r . BARING said the grave speech of one Lord O the Admiralty (Sir G. Warrender), and the face tious speech of another (Sir J. Yorke), had done but little to convince the •Houe of the propriety of the enormous Estimates which had been laid before them. The Secretary too (Mr. Croker), whom they had a b K , heard, had confined himself to points which had pot been disputed, and had brOugbt forward spiny hums without advancing his argoment. The sums expended in repairs, which formed a great part of tile Ordinary, were not objected to ; but t h e H ouse %a a right to ails ',by tbeCivil ,Establisharras were : . so greatly inereased ? List year had been- for di mostpett one of real peace, and yet. altet such time and opportunities for redaction, these - establishments had been augmented. In the unease of the men employed in Snips in Ordinary there was an enor mous increase. The Honourable Member animid ,verted upon the increased charge for victualling the men Is. 6d. per day being stated on these estimates, although the all iwance for the last year was only Is. 4d. For such a difference he thought it impost'. We to account on any ground of justice or economy, and it appeared the more extraordinary at a period when the price rtf all articles of subsistence had so considerably fallen. This difference then he deemed 4 strong prima facie case against these estimates.... But he had anther case equally strong to adduce. The Masternf Quarantine at Milford Haven, had, it seems, his salary, which was nu° per annum, re cently increased by the addition of fifty guineas, and for what reason he could not all imagine ; but more —this Master was allowed, by way, he supposed, of perquisite, to victual the men under his care—and for each, he too had an allowance of Is. 6d. a day, although the allowance was only Is. 44. heretofore. Now he (Mr. Baring) was assured by two most re spectable persons well acquainted with Milford Haven, that from the reduced price of bread, meat and beer in that district, any of the men alluded to might be maintained for a shilling a day. So that this Superin tendent of quarantine had an opportunity of making no less than £lOOO a year by his victualling contract. But to whom was this prodigal grant made? The House would suppose to some deserving Naval Officer, who had bled for his country.; but on the contrary, this favoured Master of Qaarantiae was no other Wan the master of a collier at Mil!ord. This then was a case which he (Mr. Baring) thought, on the whole, presented a gross and flagrant instance tit breach of duty and contempt for economy on the part of the Admiralty, and with such an instance before the House, how could any Gentleman pretend to say that no prima pelt case offered, to shew the propriety of reconsidering those Estimates ? But the Gentlemen on the ether sids. themselves stated enough to call for that reconsideration. The Honourable Member concluded wish observing, that two frigates, namely, the Sidney and the Eurotas, which were built in the King's Yards in 1813, were now to be sold for fire-wood, and this circumstance was sufficient to prove that a very vicHis system prevailed in those Yards, and that the Admiralty did not attend to it. Mr. ROBINSON maintained, that the Honour. able Gentleman ano spoke last W 35 quite as unfor tunate in his prima facie cases as his Right H in. Friend beside him, whom the HonourableGentleman s"emed willing to leave in the lurch.—(Hear, hear.) For the tact was, that the Admiralty had nu connec tion with the case mentioned at Milford Haven— (Rear, hear)—nor was that case included in the Es timates upon the table. Blame might attach to the departnient tinder which this Master of Quarantine acted, but the Admiralty had nothing to do with him—Wear, hear.)—So much as to one of the Ho nourable Gentlemen's prima facie cases ; and now, as to the other, it turned out most unluckily for the Honourable Gentleman's information, that the Sidney and the Eurotas were not built in the King's, but iu the Merchants' Yards.—(Hear, Hear.) Mr. BARING contended, that the advance in the rate of victualling men, upon which he had animad verted, And which furnished a strong Aria's facie case against the Admiralty, was to be found in the Esti mates upon the table. Then, as to the Sidney and the Eurotas, it might be, that he was misinformed as to the place in which these frigates were built, that whether constructed in the Merchants' or the King's Yards, it Was evident that the Admiralty had neglected its duty, for it was its province to tat care that these ships should be properly constructed, and of the best materials. So that the inaccuracy of his information, was no acquittal of the Admiralty from the charge which the undeniable condition of these frigates involved. Mr. C. WYNNE thought, that as it appeared from the statement of the. Gentlemen opposite that a material reduction of the expense in the naval depart ment was to be expected within the year, the Esti. mates before the House should not he voted for more than six months, that is, until June next. Thus the House, instead of trusting to pl-onsises of economy, would retain the means of insuring its observance, which would be a mach better mode of doing its duty towards the country, than by voting from con fideaire in any Ministers a larger sum of money than i was actually necessary, and the Gentlemen opposite themselves stated, that the sum mentioned in the Estimates was not at all likely to be required- for the expenditure of the year. Mr. CROIU..It and Mr. WYNNE mutually ex plained as to the amount of the sums voted for the Ordinary of the Navy, in the years 11102 and S. . Mr. TIERNEY justified his former statements, which be contended were in no degree shaken by the speech of the Secretary of the Admiralty. ler his prima facie case still remained unanswered, namely, that the sum of £259,000, required by the Estimates for the expenditure of the Ordinary et the Navy was not fairly accounted for, and that it was unweran. table to advance the salaries of the civil Olken of the Navy, of the Lords of the Admiralty, for in stance, OE4 the conclusion of peace, whoa the duties of these officers must be considerably reduced I that it was not just to give to those officers a larger salary in peace, when we bad but a few ships at sea s tbau they had when our ships covered the ocean. Ohre there was a erg of " Sitoie, elielel")—but Mr. Fax. MANTLE moving an adjournment on the Motion, Mr. TIMMY proceeded in his remarks t—He challenged the Honourable Secretary to an 'lamination of the several items of the EMNNEE. and by voting for the adjournment the Honourable Secretary would, as well as himself, have a ' better opportunity of collecting more complete information. Veer. hear.) But if it were fact, as the Honourable Secretary as. sumed, that the labour of the officer: connected with the Admiralty was greater in peace than in war, bow came it that those salaries should have been hereto fore so much reduced in peace ? How came it ' for instance, that the salfry of the Secretary of theAd aniralty himself should have been always reduced one fourth, at it MOM still continue, thanks to the decision of that House ? But looking to all the offi cial departments connected with the Admiralty, be would ask in which of them could any augmentation of labour be expected during peace ? ,nor instance, how could t i he Navy Pay Office, after ye had been . • ' r;-Y 'now six ?noodle at Weaee. h . ie . sore trouble than when we had above one hundred thousand seamen to pay; At present we had only 33,000 seamen to pay, and yet the salaries of this office were augmented.-- The same question might be pat with respect to the Victualling Office and the Dock Yards. Some in crease of business might he looked fot in the Dock yards of Woolwich and Deptford for a short time s in consequence of the shipping to be paid off; but no in crease of trouble couhrl take place elsewhere —('fear). But the most extraordinary part of the Honourable Secretary's speech, in which he endeavoured to make an ingenious run out of a bad case, and in which he was followed sometimes by a shout, was in the asser tion, that an increase had uniformly taken place in the Otdinary of the Navy, upon the conclusion of peace, since the Treaty of Utrecht. This assertion he (Mr. Tierney) maintained to be quite absurd, and that no precedent could be found for the extraordi nary propasition which those Estimates contained, for increasing the salaries of public officers at the vet y moment when the i r lieinrss was materially dimi nished, and the prices of all articles materially reduced. Mr. CROKER remarked, that the Right Hnnottr. able Gentleman had s.ti,i, that he (Mr. Crokei ) had retreated behind his own tire ; but he would s iy, that the Right Honourable Gentleman had contrived to retreat behind his owo smoke ! (Hear, hear, hear.) — The Right Honoural.le Gentleman had been so good as to compliment him ( Mr. Croker) for ingenuity, while in the same breath lie charged him with folly, by amity:6'lg to him a statement which he had never made. He would take no notice of the Right H:- nourable Gentleman's (Mr. Tierney) motion for a.l. journment, because it seemed to him only a device to get the House into a Committee —(Hear, hear.)— Tne Right Hon. Gentleman, in the second speech which this motion afforded him an opportunity of making, took occasion , o challenge him (Mr. Croker) to go into an examination of the items of the Esti mates, and that challenge he was ready to accept. For that purpose he desired a Committee, which was the proper place for such an examination, and if upon that examination any item should appear objectiona ble, he had shown in his own case the disposition to bow with becoming respect to the judgment of any great body of that House.—(Hear, hear, au the Mini'. istial Bruhn.) Mr. TIIIIINEY and Mr. CROICEI briefly explained; :titer which the question for adjournment was nega tived without a division, and the Committee was postponed till Wednesday. Sir JOHN NEWPORT obtained leave to with , draw his motion for a C4ll of the House on the 3d of April. The Right Hon. Barenet afterwards asked when the Report of the Irish Committee of Finance was likely to be presented, as if 'postponed till a late period, it was not likely to have the benefit of a full consideration ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that lie could not at present name any paiti cular d:iy, but it would be produced as soon as the convenience of the House would allow. Mr. TIERNEY moved tnr xn Account of the Ex penses under the head of Contingent Charges of the Lords of the Treasury. Ordered. Mr. PCNSONBY be7ged to ask the Noble Lord how soon he would proceed with the Army and Ord nance Estimates Lord CASTLEREAGH saki, he expected to be able to give the Papers tesp-cting the Army - Est:- mates tn-trortow. The discussion of them would probably come on op Friday, and that of the Ord nance Estimates on'Monday. Mr. ROBINSON moved that the House should on Wednesday resolve into a Committee to consider the Butter Trade.—Ordered. The other Orders of the Day were disposed of, and the House adkurned at One o'Clock this morning. THE EVENING STAR. LONDON. TUESDA.Y, MARCH 26, 1816. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY A .1' 'I WELVE O'CLOCK: Reduced (shut)—Coss. ma. 6041—tar acc. 601 it 4 per Cent. (ebet)-5 per Cent. 890—Boade par, la. pc. Om*. pay. 161--Easb. fis. Is. tbs. The discnssioas in the House _of Commons last night were interesting, and the facts stated deserve much attention. The principal topic was the Navy Estimates, which for the peace establishment of 1816, greatly exceed the War Estimates of 1804 and 1814, two years taken at random. For 1816 the estimate provides for 33,000 men : in 1804 we had to provide for 100,000, and in 1814 for 140,000. It must there fore appear singular that the expense of 1816 should greatly exceed both of them. How is the difference absorbed? It appears that we owe a part of the projected ex peaditure of the year to the supposed necessity of em. pleying a military force, on a large scale, to suppress smuggling. This outrage on the laws has never been properly viewed by the public. All frauds of this triad are direct robberies of a man's neighbour, and should be punished as such. You may cure smuggling without a st*nding army if you have only virtue and boldness sufficient to attack it as you ought. Make the offence felony. Hang the vender, and transport the purchaser of contraband commo dities. Let the presence or absence of a regular per. mit or certificate with the commodity condemn or exculpate the patty. Sunday night, at nine o'clock, a general meeting of the Cabinet Ministers, Mr. LONG, and the Noble men and Gentlemen holding Offices under the Ad ministration, assemble] at Fife House, the residence of the Earl of LIVERPOOL, where they continued in deliberation for a considerable time. They adjour ned till yesterday at one o'clock, when they again met at Fife House, and continued is till three o'clock, at which meeting the Duke of YORK was present., Saturday last a Meeting was held of the Catholic Noblemen and Gentlemen of Ireland, at Dublin, when it was resolved that Lord Dotiououaaciaz should present their Petition to the House of Lords •on tlyt subject of the Catholic Claims. Lord Dotiovem aorta has politely accepted of the (Am FRENCH PAPERi We have to-day received the P. torday. The import Ant Itt!port on ces which was to have been present( been deferred on account of the illnesi sums, the Finance Minister. Another Generals (Duircut) is on hk trial. PARIS, MARCH 2s. A prisoner who seemed to be fl was taken this morning to the prison gerie. We are assured that it is Davernet, who will be forthwith bri Council of War bitting at Paris, in Ordonn...nce of the 24th of idly. Not a particle of the skeletal 0 1 Due d'Enghien WAS missing, with ti.in of one of his fr , ,nt teeth, wlii broken by a muAeL.b.:il. Seventy, found upon him, and all his trinket: which proves that the grits d'.4rmes ted, as usual, to strip their victim. evidence taken beEte the Inq•.iest, himself who pulled out one of his place of execution, and offered it ,2 Is cinder to convey to a person whom he named. N„ however, would undertake the com in ; s i ou. Prince then exclailued with indignatir.n._,. w Lati cannot the grandson of the Great Conde find I , Frenchman to execute his lest will ?" He tLen steadfastly looked at the hole whicii dug for his body, and turning to the ge0,4 441 , , observed with a smile, " I am not afraid to dir ; b ut I am sorry that I am about to receive my death t rot the hands of Frenchmen." He then laid his tile ! hand firmly on his breast, and said twice with a tun; and manly voice, " Tirez au recur," " Fire at 1. 4 heart." All the witnesses concurred in sta:ing the execrable monster Caulaincourt was p et ," the execution. To-morrow the Ministers will n3aTte a amrcunic.. lion to the Chambers respecting the mai riage of Its Due de Berri with a Neapolitan Princess. A prop.' sal will be at the same time made for a pension f: the Household of the pa: tics. ITwo Englishmen; accused of defrauding a Cos trercial House at Bristol, have been arrested ee l 13ourdeaux, on their way for emb,rkation to Arne rica. Nearly all the money which they had star was found upon them. A letter from N.:ples, dated 21st February, sta.* as foliows A part of the Eaglish hour wbe were stationed at Genoa hAtte r: Teed in Calabria, to be distributed among the Citahls ut ilia vanity.— It is said that they will be paid by our G *annum We do not know what has induced the English le send troops there, fur the Austrians are cot m.k;r; ae:y preparations to move, and there are too nay kleign hoops there airezd)." A Mail from II()liand arrived this morning, ad brought a supply of German Papers, but they ten. twin no news. A Letter from Cobourg, dated 13th March, says, " An English Courier arrived here a few Jays ag', and brought to the Duchess Dowager of Counitc, letters in the hand-writing of th, QUFEN fit ExcLANI and her Royal Highness the PRINCESS CHARLOTTE d WALU, respecting the marriage of Pulsar Lzototo, her Son." FALMOUTH, MARCH Ys. _-- Arrived the Prince Ernest packet, with a mail from Lisboa is II days. DEAL, MARCH 25.--Saifed this morning, at eleven A. M. with a .fine b:ceze tram N. E. the Sovereign, Tcroa Barkworth, LYNNIt ; and Providence, MA. lON, for St. Helena and Chi,ia. Remain in the Downs, the Warren Hastings, LAIMIN18; and tit Asia, l'autraisratstt, for Madras ind Bengal, waiting for dm Marchioness of Ely coming down from the River to accompany them t o their destination. is RAMSOATS, MAUCH 25.--.lt has blJern a string Igale from the Eastw..td ever since last evening. Tee . transport Nestor, No. 626,s:tiled with the 3 7th Regs I went for Ireland. Tuesday, the 78th Regiment, under the comouri of Captain Slate; and Wednesday, the depot of the 92d, commanded by Captain W.taitei, mare' eit from Aberdeen. Both corps are ordered to Ecia. burgh Castle. At the late Stafford Assizes several Crlrers were ' convicted of rioting, in consequence ot their wars being lowered. They were sentenced to three 4,4 ' six month's' imprisonment. Saturday John Goddard, convicted at Winchester Assizes for abusing an infant, was executed at thatch!. Of the earthquake, mentioned in our Paper of ye, terday, the country Journal; furnish the follow{ further particulars : " On Sunday last, the 17th instant, 23 minutes before et o'clock (true time) a slight shock of an earthqualie w.. (JO Derby and neighbourhood. '1 he shock was sd very short Iv lion ; but sufficiently long to leave 1:o doubt on thetp.ild as lot° reality of the pbenomerou. We lu.ve not !tend that it Mi caused any injury, exceo the slight alarm whit.' 17 int occasiosti for the moment to those who feh it. It was a ux:trained Ws noise similar to that of a rising tt:npest, a:.‘l e.: 'J. , ' :be window to shake violently and the doors that were ajar :o o r , vr. .t 1 14 lustre, which burg in a gentleman's bleakfa.t•rnoni in t;:at t Ass, was put in motion, and the chairs and tables %vac very perell• tibly shaken. At Shipley-hall it caused the helisto rivq:, anitis body of a Mangle, in one of the uner-roonvg, moved oti it' rot. ion several feet. It was also ft:revived in the Curcha of All Saints and St. Peter, in Derby, and caused in the latter piece of plaster to fall from the roof two the body ova Church: We have have not been able to a •ccrtain the event's which the silo& was felt, but, as far as we have already hearth it extended about 20 miles east and west at Derby, and apps' to proceed in a direct lino from north to south. Ihe :ran: perience of this dreadful phenomenon in various guar cr. ot r earth, as weU in Spain, Portugal, and Madrira, as at ses,* considered with this shock . % the North of England, seems thy of the best attention of men ot science. The arivity end • tensive connexion of pubterraneons fi res mug have been, sa prubably now is, very great." - - LONDON: Printed by Li.vei. MINT, PlCkett rtiblisked there. and at the Bit. RS. iris P pen n the French Red :less of M. thc nother of diet' s. some ennserie% ,on of tile en ne . 4 Genera 11: nought befor e • I pur.uaoce of of the unfin ne IN the single e‘:, :id: was pros y•three ducats ts--a circurrwa I r, were not pet A: cording to: , it was the p wmclies, n ear k at - - to a brit— ;* -