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! I 1 i , I It, • . . ~, 1 . , . i • 1, t += i L • ,~: ~; i i.,ti ::if, I . . i ' i t !L ` I, Lamb meant to state, that the Grunsi_Jug svoald not esamine Mr. Derbyshire? Mr. LAMB said, he had not stated that any evi: dente had heen refused. • Mr. C. HUTCHINSOIT (Wended Sir R. Wilson from what be thought was misconception, on the Fart of the Member for Marlow. Ile wished to know sf Ministers intended to extend the Itill to Ireland ? Mr. GRANT answered in the affirmative. • Mr. .HUTCHINSON centinued—Had not the Noble Lord praised the tranquil state of Ireland ; and had he, by . such a proceeding meant to dupe . the soventy Irish Members who 'had voted with him? In the fifth year of profound reace,•the House was called on for a largo increase of the military force— (Much coughing). If he was endeavoured to be put do a, he should lengtLen his speech tenfold—(Hear). 'Mc Government ot Ireland had wished the People to draw the sword, that they might throw away the szabbard; and similar measures were now taking in this Country. But she had not owed her safety to this Country, but to herself, and to the folly of that ialividual v. ho had roused all the population against himself. The policy of England wag reprobated all! over Europe. Unless the affections of the People should be conciliated, Bills of pains and penalties wouldhe new:ailing. • Mr. BARHAM could not admit, that the national characterof England was at all degraded ; and an Englishman mast be very unreasonable indeed who should not be satisfied with the estimation in which the national character was held in every part of Eu rope. He had no doubt of the illegality of the Man chester Meeting ; and at the same time had been of opinion, that the first step en the part of the House • would have been inquiry. He could not think that Parliament had fallen into contempt with the People. He should not oppose the measure if limited to five years, and confined to the disaffected districts; and would not oppose its extension to other districts to which the disaffection might extend. Parliament spoke the sense of the People upon all important questions. Mr. El UTCHINSQN, begged to state, that he never did say that the national character of Englishmen had become degraded on the Continent—(Hear)—but that the policy of the Cabinet of England was not only regarded, in a degraded light to what it was wont to be, but was held in execration by every well informed mind—(Hear). Mr. JAMES KNOX supported the motion. Mr. JOHN SMITH said, be rose principally for the purpose of malting a few remarks on the reports which had, during the last week, been circulated which, from their alarming . nature, had been produc tive of the most prejudicial effects on the country, and on our relations with foreign nations. He al luded to the statements which had been promulgated by persons of high rank and consideration, that these were one hundred thousand men in arms, or who had arms secreted, on the banks of the Tyne and Weir. This story, he asserted, was not true--(Hear). In tracing the course of these rivers, it would be , fimind that they were confined to the Counties of Northumberland, Cumberland, an 4 Durham. Cu riosity had led him to refer to the Returns of 1812, of the population of these Counties, which in that year amountedth 480,000, and admitting an increase of 70,000 since then, it would appear. upon a fair estimation, that there could not be more than 100,000 Men capable of bearing arms in the three Counties. This, it was to be observed, included all, even to the Clergymea—( Hear, hear).—He would not have dwelt upon this subject, but he thought it was his duty to put the House on its guard against a repeti tion of such reports; for he had no - doubt similar stories would be revived; but he begged the House, should it be stated next week that 20,000 men had risen in Rullandshire, or 50,000 in Bedfordshire, would pause before it gave it implicit credence, from whatever quarter it should happen to come. The Honourable Gentleman concluded by observing, that the effect of these reports was severely felt on the Funds. The Funds had fallen last Saturday, and a natural feeling had been excited to sell property out of the English Stocks, to invest in Foreign—(Hear). He deprecated both the cause and effect in this case. For his part, he *ould never place a shilling in any foreign fund: It never should be said of him that lie had deserted his country in the hour of distress, so long as there was a plank to swim upon—(Hear, heat, bear). He commended the Noble Lord for the alteration he had thought fit to make in the present Lill, and hoped he would continue to make still more, as well in that as in the other Bills, for which, he had no doubt, he would find equally good grounds. Sir ISAAC COFFIN exclaimed " I vote for this measure because the Constitution is in danger, and I am sworn to defend it!"—(A lau gh, and hear, hear). A blzmanr., unknown in the (2allery, ',As desirous that an inquiry should be entered into respecting the Manchester transactions, and hoped that the Bill would not be allowed to extend its operation beyond the term of one year. Sir ROBERT HERON was so completely op posed to the before the House, that he could not consent to its action for a single day ; and he thought it impossible that he should be able to bring his mind to support any limitation whatever of it. He was averse to teaching the People that the Constitu tion of the country was, on every emergency, to be set aside—( Hear). On the Manchester transactions he should say but a few words. He was told not to prejudge the Magistrates ; but, as a Representative of the People, was he, he would ask, to prejudge them? —(Hear). All that he could collect from the argu • mints he had hitherto-heard respecting the illegality of the Meeting was, that its object was. Reform, and that the Reform was of a seditious kind. Sir CHARLES BURRELL observed, that he had heard witli regret the bad effects which the alarming , reports from the North of England had had in a pe cuniary ooint of view ; but he could assure the House that, from his own personal knowledge, the perion who had prrimillsgated them was the last person in the world who would willingly make a mistatement. Mr. BROWNLOW begged to assure the House, that after having attentively examined all the evi dence which had been broisght forwardoOthii occa sion, he had felt himself obliged to come M . the pain ; ful conautiOn that some alteration was necessary to be made in the constitution, in' order to meet the preiebt exigencies of the country, arid he congratu, fated the House on finding that that 'alteration was not to bc of a fermanynt nature ! The principal point which b.id at ,present called him up, was to reply to .an observation which had been mode by the libnour able Member for Cork (*.Hutchinson), implicating the characters, or at least involving the understand ings of seventy Irish Members, who, he had said, had been betrayed into voting with the Ministers on the present Bill, rpon a supposition that it was not in tended to apply to Ireland. lie must say, that they had not been induced to take the side they had done but from an irresistible conviction on their minds of the urgent necessity of the measures—( Fear). Mr. HUTCHINSON acknowledged that he had charged the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) with deception towards 11. e Irish Members, and declared that he heard for the first time tonight that the Bill was applicable to Ireland.—The Honourable Member was proceeding in the same strain, when Lord CAS't LEREAGH begged permission to say one word in exculpation of what he had been charged With. He observed, that when he introduced the Bill to the notice of the House, he had expressly stated, that it was applicable to the United Kingdom. Lord MiaItPETH rose amidst loud cries of " Question," which rendered what fell from his Lor dship inaudible. The SPEAKER then put the question, that the House do go into a Committee, which having been. agreed to, Colonel BEAUMONT moved, that an instruction be given to the Committee to limit the duration of the Bill to the Ist of March, 1821, or six weeks after the next meeting of Parliament, The 'question having been put from the Chair, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he had hoped the limitation granted' by his Noble Friend would have conciliated all opinions, with respect to the Bill at present under the discus ,sion of the House—( Haar, hear). The pressing evil under which the Country was at present suffering, was one of slow growth, of great magnitude, and extreme danger; and, therefore, net one to be met by measures of short duration. The Right Honour able Gentleman concluded by proposing, that the words .! five years, " &c. be substituted for the words , g till the Ist of March, 1821, or six weeks after the next meeting of Parliament." The SPEAKER then put the question, when Mr. CALCRAFT said, he did not think the Right Hon. Gentleman, or his party, had much title to the thanks of the House for the alteration which had-1 been made in the Bill. This proposition had been wrung from the Noble Lord. It was not in eons.- quence of any new light breaking in upon him that he now gave up the idea of making the Bill perma nent, but he was induced to do so from apprehen sions that many of his friends would vote against him, if' be had persisted in akin a different course. Yet this was that conduct which the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in his mild way, had thought mast satisfy every man in the House, with the exception of a few very violent persons. He thought this ex periment for abridging freedom and creating a new system of judicature, would be found to lalt long enough, if limited to fourteen months ; as, within Ithat period, some inquiry might take place into the state of the manufacturing districts, and the House might be enabled to determine- whether or not it was in their power to supply a - remedy The Right Hon. Gentleman, ever since be had been Chancellor of the Exchequer, had always spoke of the dangers and di ffi c u ltie s o f ? the country as being temporary, but now that coercive measures were pro posed, he regarded the state of things which called for them as being permanent. He complained of the imposition of new taxes to the amount of three mil lions, at a period like the present ; and he condemned the grant to the Duke of York not as. to the amount, for £lO,OOO was a trifle, but the principle of the grant was what he reprobated ; yet the Gentlemen who had acted thus, had now the modesty to com plain, that do what they would they were still denied the support of their opponents. Mr. BANKES denied the right of the subject to call Meetings like those against which this measure was directed. The People of England had a right to Petition Parliament, but one portion of them had no right to call Meetings, to the annoyance and injury oft heir neighbours. Mr. BUXTON &night it was impossible to expect that the ferment in the public mind could subside in so short a period as that to which the Hon. Gentle man had proposed that this Bill shOuld be limited, To suffer, for five years, such an inroad on our Con stitution, would be to continue it in force too long. If a longer period than the former, and a shorter one than the latter were named, such a proposition would meet with his approbation, He thought there was some inconsistency in the argument of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whe, having contended that the people of Manchester a n d it s vicinity, from local cits. cumstances,•were different from the rest of the popu lation, thence inferred that the measure ought not to be local, but general. If any Member would move Ito limit the operations of the Bill to three years, he would support such a motion—(Cries of " Move, move). He begged to remark it was impracticabls for him to make such a motion, at that moment: Mr. PERCEVAL thought, at a time like the pre sent, that every man, forgetting party and personal feelings, ought, as far as he could conscientiously, support Ministers, is at such a time it was to be assumed that the battle of the Constitution was to be' fought by the side of Government. Nothing but the conviction that this measure would prove a most dangerous inroad on the rights and liberties of the subject could induce him, at such a period, to op pose his Majesty's Ministers. This he found himself compelled to do in the present instance. If them were any mischievous feelings in the minds of the People, he was much afraid that they would be ag gravated and augmented by being pent up under the restrictions of this Bill. -It was because he disap proves' of the measure altogether, and had hopes that altogether it might be thrown out, that be would rather vote for its having the longer than the :loner run—(Hear, hear).-1-le would only vote for the longer period,' because he feared that if the shorter were adopted, the fetters imposed by the Bill wottld be rivetted on the Nation for ever. • Mr. CARTWRIGIIT differed from his Honoura ble Friend who had just Sat down, as he conceived the Bill went to protect the rights and liberties of Englishmen, which were now endangered by disaf- fection and popular commotion. He thought the Bill ought not to be passed Merely kr a short period, LONDON. TUESDAY, DECEMBER 7, 1819. • THE FUNDS. FDIC! Or STOCKS Tills DAT AT On OtI.OOK 3 per Cent. Reduced 6514 3 per Cent. Consols shut Si per Cent. 74-1 4. per Cent. 83{ 82f 83 5 per Cent. Navy shut Bank Long Annuities 171/ 5-16 India Bonds 2s. dis. par Exchequer Bills (2d.) 6s. 7s. dis. Cnmmercial 295. discount Consols for Acct.. 66} 67 66i 671, The Stocks continue in a very gloomy state. Con• cols left off yesterday at 661, which, without tl:e Di vidend, makes them 651. Omniam is now at 43Dis. The pext payment will be on the 16th instant, and yesterday bets were made that it would be at 6 per cent. Dis. on or before that day. - India Bonds have also been at 2s. Dis.—. Exchequer Bills are at a very heavy Discount : they have been dope as low as 7s. The Mini..ter has not yet advertised his Over-due Exchequer Bills, of which there are outstanding a very large amount t it is supposed he will not pay off these Bills, but resort to a Funding...— A fresh issue is talked of; at the rate of three-pence per cent. per diem. Money is pot readily obtained at an increased rate of interest ; a new issue of Exchequer Bills, previous to the receipt of the. Dividends, would materially depress the Money Market: it is apprehended that money ,will not then be procured at a less rate than 15 or 20 per cent. Some Exchequer Bills bare been sold at 15s. dis. to be delivered on the SOth of January. A report is current in the City that a financial measure is in con templation by the CnAsosu.oa of the Exon/gnu to touch the Irish Sinking Fund, - • ••••.••••=ll. The Search for Arms Bin, and the Dillling and Training Bills, went through the Committees last nigh; in the House of Lords, and were ordered to be read a third time this evening. The Bill for sub. jecting Persons convicted 4 second time of the offence of publishing a Libel, to the punishment of banishment * or transportaticin was read a second time, after a keen, but fruitless opposition. in the House uf Commons,. the Sedition: ltaailmi Bill occasioned a very leng discussioe • 14 CASTLIRBAGII having, In an bate, and, as " a conce4ioit to ceded that the Bill should not the permanent 7,,,aw of the Coui was chiefly confined to the dui.r given to it, The term of fi% Lord Climatal/Am, after some have the term shortened, was at' May we pot ask here how learnt the state of public fee% He did not learn it iu the Hou. there the opinion of a great pressed to make the Bin perprti from the hitherto.free Press, have been convinced, that it the public voice, eapressed chi gan. The conviction is an attention to public feeling is Ought the organ, then, that conveys to be silenced by cruel, unjust, straints ? Let us hope that the very outset of these measures ecercien, have been enlightened yet soften the rigours proposed paper Press. THE ARMY Saturday morning, detachments Oran Battalion marc hed from do duty at Dalkeith and Musselburgh. • hfortday last having been appointed such Gentlemen as fmmaiy belonged Regiment of Royal Edinburgh - to the re-embodyiryr the Corps, , flour hundred attended at the Lower and received their arms. The Officers of the Edinburgh al Militia, commanded by Co have catered the First Regiment Yates, their services in their on present required. It has been proposed to raise in Edinburgh, under the command to be attached to die County 0 " fifty . Gentlemen have already - services. It is in contemplation to raise and also a Corps of Volunteer ' ham. The Infantry are to Nottinghamshire Volunteers, The Knutsford Corps of V muster on Monday ; they consist flies, amounting to 260. ' The Troops of Dragoons stationed within these two days, got their; order of Government.—(Cerlisk Postmann:4 Das. 6.—Wind R.. Moamar, from New South Wales, lAnnotar, from Quebec; and Lavinia, Bogs, from Usbon. Sailed the John IP TOSaar, Dec. 6..-This day it has' which the Vigilant Revenue cutter, tempting to w.ark out of this Bay, she let go two anchors ' came ashore crew were saved, but the vessel went Agnes, BIONCLAT, for Jamaica, with le His Majesty's ship Seams, with twe also,. are now riding very heavy, with The Paris Papers of Saturda; noon. Their contents ore unimi Cents Friday, 68 fr, 45 c. Mr. Woarscr's statement mons, respecting. the Radical shire, as corrected by himself, course of a Meeting held some , Riding, (where, . I bad forgot - perty of Earl Mswg.LIAM, tinctly pointed at, as if for partil not Mr. WORTLZT Mendell such language? That it was associate of Spy Oliver l and "' stoutly cried down by the Refo, denounced, as an enem7 to the of the Country I CoMmom Covocrt.--Yesterda: a series of Resolutions against in Parliament, which were carried '4dwasement), as was also a ' In compliancy with a Reqi tants of Southwark, doss PRI liff, has appointed a Meeting to Hall, on Thursday nest, a; t , for the purpose of considering dressing the Legislature fur measures proposed by the Prince It appears from the following d thee Rublic meeting is to be held morrow ; " SMITHFIELD PUBL " CM Wednesday, December il, " Huse Hors, Esq. ," We, whose.narnirs are hereunto hoirites, payin t Tams, Within the City appalnt a Public Meeting to be held in Pay next, to take into consideration the a Petition to his Royal Highness tie him not to give his Royal Assent-to t Is the Two Houses of Parliament, Laws, will be a total subversion and a complelt abrogation raced the apse of Brunswick upon the H poems ar eww' • " No. 5, Wyeb-sueet, • "Alliz....As I perfectly agree with ti hoiden of the City of Loudon in the 5 Royal Highness the Panica Rcoa s ie Assent to those Bills now pending in to accept their invitation, and wl 1 do Me at the Meeting in Smithfield, on of December, at Twelve o'clock ; and that kis Royal Highness will not, upon to. - turn a deaf ear to the prayers of a long-suffering, loyal People, particularly as the object the Requisition appears to be full as n and gaiety of the Throne as it is for man: . Liberties of the . People.—l am, Sir, your " Mr, Wm. Phillips, Sec r eta." Link rdddioston, the celebrated Villisph, Is in dormice again. . =ME a ptscord, mummies 13th anClerfrenwell-Green the eshibition of his board, be at CaPrbyy stwurtng at the corner little tight, " Awake! arise or be The Civil and Military Authorit, On Wednesday, actively engaged wes in Caldewgate, in consequence of a - story ing gone abroad, that some hundreds of these weapons had been secretly conveyed thither. The search u as fruitless. LaIIIDON ;?r i aM pollsbed Try Lrth Ks s, .';•k ,11 - - Plan, Te•nple-rar. `* • i early p ert or: the a :n public fueling," en- t constitute a part ,ountry, the dittuf:i*.k luratian that should ire years, proposed b me fruitless attempts • at List carried. w Lord CarrAtltun eing on this question louse of Contons,f majority had been erpetual. He learnt lO • He must, the te f q was proper to listen , 'rough this public tr • acknowledgm ent , beneficial to the S „ Cja .onveys the public ° i just, and mpolitic A° the Ministers who, s. asures of. restraint nsed by the Press, • Kea against the : MY. ments of the Royal V . t 32 • Edinburgh Castle sselburgh. Ippernted for assembt , • I belonged to the F gh Volunteers, in or 4 ores, between three e Lower Assembly. „., shurgh Light Infalt l y iy• Colonel J la Et H a sent of Volunteers as , own Corps not being ise a Troop of l'eo mmand of Lord Etre sty Corps. Upwards . r made a tender of th use a Troop of Caralry er Infantry, in Nottie . be called the " Loy . , or Sherwood Rangers: rolunteers had their,. consist of four comps. tationed at Penrith hare, eir swords sharpened, t i lisk Journal.) ► the Ma* us, ▪ last from Lisbon ' • • minis, Hama., and Thait, ihn Shand, Rao, for Juno is blown a violent o ak, • Lieutenant Mum, is , missed stays, and althea ee near die Berry Ile • went to pieces. Anted tit loss anchor sod üblvi two brigs, a schooner, saii ith yards and toprauu mut irday arrived this fat unimportant. five r in the House of Co al Reformers in Yo :elf, was this : "In the ;omewhere in the Wen• of at the time) the pre • among others, was dis• artition."—But why did who had dared to nu as Miteldi the form "that Mitchell was ir.• formers themselves, ant: be peace and prosperity .day Mr. FAVELL MOTO, 4 the Sills now pending armed by 81 to 66 (Sts Petition to Bull/men! siu isi ti ors- of the Inhsts• emote, Esq. High bi ; o be held at the Tors twelve o'clock at rem, g ;he propriety of e r protection, from at rice Regent's Ministers. ig d3cuments, that cc• held at Smithfield tc• LAC MEETING, , at 12 o'clock precisely, in the Chair. subscribed, resident nu* City of d in tht those v pe Parliameistitticoehodstrlywewf4osink.tirtndielighillishresenWarenirtirat.wilitedr:llll;C:c*Till;l:ls tversion on of the net; Strand, Dec. 6, 1819. la the Twerity.nine Hess' the propriety of petitioning tar to withhold the Ilepl o Parliament, I hesitate not o myself the honour to pre- a Wednesday, the ash dal and I most devoutly hope, ton this impotent occasion ! 100 g-suffering, patient, and ct of those who have signed is much for the _protect maiwainins elm Rights - I ' 4 your obedient servant, ".H. DUNI*. eandard-bearer of the ni- ne was found to the &- in that " London n ewt s sear ;" and not satisfeed wit h t attracted the notice of the er of every street, with :1l be for ever fallen." orities of Carlisle were, i s p e. r i cae s :0 of gt these t ocfrosyer tnd that it %%Thad be ineffectr.al ins previsions were merely of a lccal chr.racter. • • Mr. wiLagaroncE rejoiced that the Bill :-.as pot to be o permanent measure, anc felt much obliged to the Noble lord for consenting to make it infrely temporary. It was one of the peculiar bless:ugs of our Constitution that Parliament was enabled in dangerous times to arm the Executive with extraordinary powers, and when the storm had passed by, to revert to our approved and ancient system. He could with very-great difficulty have reconciled himself to the pleasure as a permanent law ; but posted only for one year, he was of opi nion that it would do no good, but would be found a great evil. If the danger were. so great as to jus tify them in passing such an Act at all, they ought to pass it for such a period as would be likely to cover the danger, Not doing this, they would pay the price of the longer period without obtaining the benefits which it offered. Feeling this, be could not with that its duration should be confined to three years, but should. rather extend to five. He was of opinion that it ought not to be made merely loctl„ as to do this would be to defeat its object.— It was because he valued the liberties of his country, and thought them worthy of being preserved, that he was disposed to concur in the temporary re. strictions now proposed to be enacted. The Crown had not encroached on the People, but when be saw tur bulence like that lately witnessed, he felt that our liberties were indeed endongered by the demagogues, and seeing this, he for one, -•-•••••• r" MOE a toward, Lalf a patriot - " Woll4l_ 111 from petty tyrants to the f= r Lord MILTON said, the only right left by the present Bill would be, not the right to meet, but the right to ask an Officer of the Crown for leave to meet. Mr. MARRYAT thostght the, period proposed - in the original motion.,(Colonel Beaumont's), as the fit period for the continuance of these restrictions, to be too short, and that proposed in the ameminseat, five years, to be too long. Mr. C. WYNI4 was for the amendment proposed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Mr. MAXWELL expressed an opinion that the Bill ought.to continue to operation five years in the disturbed districts, and one year its the other parts of the Kingdom. Lord COMPTON considered the measure abso lutely necessary, with a view to support the legiti mate mode of holding Public Meetings. Mr. BENETT, (Member for Wilts) expressed his intention to support the expected Amendment, limit ing the duration of the Bill to three years. Lord CRANLEY said it was necessary to make a distinction between public liberty and licentiousness. The question being then loudly called for, the ori ginal Motion was put by the SPLAICIA,and negatived The gallery was then cleared for a division. the exclusion of strangers, Mr. Burrow pro, in Amendment to limit the duration of the ill to three years. The House then divided— Par the Atomatiatetst - - - 153 41dt:et k - - - 3111 Majors - • •••••1 7 1 1 The CIIANCILLLOR of the EXIIIIZQVIR'S Amend meat, extending the operation of the Bill to five years, was then agreed to. The House immediately after went into a Com mittee on the Bill ; the Chairman reported progress, and begged leave to sit this day.—Adjourned. While the Ministerial Ma j ority was dividing in the Lobby, Lord CASTLULZAOII was heard to exhort them to be early and constant in their attendance this afternoon. VIE EVENING STAR i. k ~ , .