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From a umber of Individuah, Occupiers of Land, and ethers, j a sa d a m m uds Mohan, in the County of Devon, by Earl fear isms. d ame eoe versation ensued between the Noble Earl and Lew& but on this occasion, io eonseveure of some remarks front tie firmer as to its peculiar situation of the Petitioners, and With the Noble Baron seemed to differ in opinion. In the noon" dies observaeons, Lord Rolle said, that were lt deemed tortes wy, be was willing, for his an, that the Property 'fa: alsould Whammed to 10 per cent. so that it would go co relieve *shire ass of the people. On die atotioo of Lord GRENVILLE. an Account of the b r ow of Ws Commissariat and Barrack Departments was waned lobe laid before the Moue. l'lNECsett PLAN Of !we Th e Marquis of LANSDOWNE, after briefly &new g the general question of the Income Tax, supectrog which he observed, that none of done ar guments which were used for its adoption in time of war, had the kto application to its enactment in timed peace, stated, that he felt himself peculiarly called upon to address their Lordships, in cense. quenceoftertain rumours out of that House which had recently reached bins. and to state a distinct opi. Mon on the subject to whiCh these rumours referred. It ass first stated, he understood, that the Income Tax had bees doublld in I8(,6. This he was called upon to correct in the first instance. The Tax upon Income had been re-enacted under another name, at the instance of a Noble 'Viscount, at the rate of 5 per weteuit inns aherwards increased • to fig per mist. W Usti ae increased expenditure of war, by Mr. Pitt ; sad as Adminislration of which he had the honour Oft= a pan in 1806, had increased it farther to 10 pr cent. This was done at a period when the loan dthe preceding year had been extraordinary great, sax the great demands from the exigencies of war posed hard upon the finances of the country. ,sheidy overburdened with indirect taxes. 'He still lined, as he did then, that there *as no other re. Rayne for meeting the pressure of the times, than that Alto raising the Property Tax ; and he must state his , - to take a share of all the responsibility at t. to that measure, and whatever unpopularity attach to it, he was at all times ready to en. miser. But there was another important subject it had been touched urn which bound him to Mbthe earliest oppor tunit y o f thus publicly noticing.' &meant respecting the Plan of Finance, which it his his official duty to submit to the House of hisses in 1807. All the responsibility of that Rees, it appeared, was to attach to him ; all the !nit, sad it may properly be attributed, to his Noble rnwd sear him. Respecting this, he was not a little ~Pdlo hear it had been stated that it was the rite* intention of the authors of this plan to coo.. rer de Property Tar in time of peace.--(Near, Ha had, on his 'own behalf and that of his Robb Friend, to contradict such an assertion in di et Minns. In point of fact it was directly the reverse. ?WO! this contradiction did not rest solely upon mon authority. There were recorded proofs sp lint* to every part of the discussion that took . The proofs which be could obtain were only Ihne:—first, What proceeded from the proposers of 4 th n—secondly, F ro the oppose,* of the phtr— yr From the Resolution adoptell by the Hoot*, ccanmons.-..fourthly, From the Bill craws , . PP l ignce of these Resolutions—and lastly. rims j westimony of the supporters of them. All &mei ellhorities would be found to agree. t h at the ? 1 /contrary to what was alledgod had been the %dm of his Noble Friend and of himself. He Id shortly state, that in every stage of it it was Pored that the object which was most guarded Oen, was the supposition that it had been intend. to continue the terOpelly Tax, in tinte of Pence. Nom, lime).—The vet y last sentence of the pro , .5 would shew, that such was the leading is , of their authors. Phis was read by his Lard. 1 1 and imparted, that a reference to the annexed is would shew how many resources under Principles of the plan would obtain for meeting dilkulties of such a situation as was before con " without precluding that relief from the ' away the Property Tax. to whieh the public naturally look for on the return of Yew.— (7,, bear)..—After seeing that recorded, it was 72!‘i in the face of England, that it was then in i'lemPlation to have flee Tax continned.—(Hear, ..."Arer s all from Me Opposition side of Me Hot se).— expestiy stated in theplan, that the applica• k of the Excise and Custom Duties would obtain „es ow, Resolutions th e exclusion cf. the Property onolutions were isdooted by the House nearly • ' YI and Fsitlrout slmisnallest settles= be-1 Made to any intention of coniinning the Pro perty Tax in tone of Peace. That such was the facr, would apptat sir the ResolutiOns, as well a% the recorded opininets of the supporters generally of the . plan. One Right Honourable Gentleman parti cuiarly was .at the time in close official, connexion with his' Roble Friend and himself. He believed' Chaneellor Of the Exchequer, whims he was quote as an slither. should be one of the persous'en have countenanced such an assertion s he Maned to have recollected in eight eesty what he had fivegotten in three years alter ace Aragon of the plus. The Chancellorof the suer' had eauved an able speech of brs to be enskin which he admitted, that no intention of eantinutng the Property 'las in time of He stated, that no Minister or creature ever of continuing it ib time of Peace, even not Instal grint. It was therefore very extraor thal he could have recoleeeted in eight years he bad Ibrgottio in.- three years atter the He Would new 0 au, the npinieste of at. es of the systenkS,ond here' he had a suttee Piece of rod fortune, . in being able to-Terri th *mimeo piloted by themselves, in oppositiod to , and brought forward in a particelar place; was rather extraf4dinery, that in tell l'eekk they had not urged so capital in objection. It was known that Lord Castlereagh himself. bad brought forward a long string of resolutions respecting a plea of Finance, in opposition to that which he (the N 'tile Marquis) had submitted. One of those resolutions bore directly upon the subject. This would be.found to state, in express terms, when referring to a cum. sponding part of the original plan._ that the Properiy Tax was one of those which cou ld not be with pro. contikued in time of Pea ce . C ou ld it t h en 'possibly be . alledged by Lord Castlereagh, that a continuation of the Property Tax had been preme ditated 4 the time?— .(Near, hear).—lt may be con venient to hold one opinion upon one occasion, and on another, to held an opinion directly the reverse ! But it was lather too much. he thought, to affirm now,the direct contrary to what appeared on the face l id hos own resolutions. He mu,t certainly be allow ed to have the best understood his own plan. He must have been much distressed for argument so to pervert the measures followed by his predecessors in office. He was cattails that those misrepresentations, if not intentional. procee ded from an extraordinary 'degree of forgetfulness. But he was sure such were not calculated to produce an impression on the good sense of the Public, 'or tend to induce their acquies cence in the continuance in the time of Peace of a great measure, which had been projected only to meet the esigenties of the country in a time of war.' As to the merits of the plan adverted to, he was ready at any time to go into a discussion of them, either in point of principle Of in tletaljb . . The Erwl of . LIVSIPOOL dada thought it important not to allow the observations of the Noble Marquis to pass without saying a few words with re spect to them. At the same time he must generally admit, the prevnt was not the occasion to bring for ward any question as to the expediency of continu ing the Property Tax. A period would come whin that question would be regularly before, the House. He would make no complaint as to what was stated respecting what was alledged to be said elsewhere, nor lay any stress-on the irregularity of referring to it; bat the point which he complained of in this question was, that endeavours bad been made to persuade the public that either Ministers or ,Parlia. tricot had ever pledged their faith that the Property Tax should not be continued so as to preclude Par liament from exercising its discretion upon the sub rWhen that should come under consideration. the question under the circumstances be decided upon its own merits, but it could not be justly con tended that any Administration had ever pledged itself that the Property Tax, either in the whole or in part, or that Parliament was ever so pledged, that in no circumstances the Property Tax should be continued in a time of Peace. On the contrary. he would say. that Parliament had never so coon. mitted itself, as must appear from the whole of what bad taken place since the year 1799. when it was first, 'proposed under the mune of the. Income Tax, by Mr.. Pitt. Upon that occasion, though originally pro. posed as a war tax, the consideratim was oat there. lore precluded, whether or not under particular cir cumstances, it may be continued in a time °fleece. —lt was a fact well known to the world, that the effect of 111/8311114 which were subsequently adopted, would have been to have' pledged this tax, with cei.. bin others, for a suns of a 8 millions, and by that weeny the Property Tax would have beta MOrt• gaged, if his Noble friend, who afterwards soccee4ed 'to the head of the Administration, had not proposed to Parlianient to fuild these 56esillions, and pro., 'tided taxes for the payment .of the interest. ill 'could. therefore, never have been in the contempla. tion of Parliament, that any contract was made be tween it and the public, that the tax should not, upon any account, be continued in time of peace. Upon the renewal of hottilitiee his Noble Friend proposed a tax upon a similar principle, at-the rate of five per met. but under new regulation. Nothing in that , ,enactment involved any pledge that at the cessation , al war it might not have been continued, as it was at first proposed, in ease of other burthens. On the contrary, it was regarded as an open queition, to judged of according to circumstances. And he must beg leave to bring it to their Lordsbipe recollectioe, what be had himself stated in the last Session of Parliament, when be proposed the continuance of the tax, to meet the exigencies 'of' the coming weer. He bad expressly stated, not the coarse which he thought', should be taken by Parliament, in war or peace with' respect to it, but that it would be a question at the time !or Parliament to consider, under all tire , cir cumstances the case. But be sight to come plain that it should be said thar any engagement had been ever entered lam either by Ministers or by Pat. liana* to ablltaill OM adopting the tag, if it were ,p---;iTh--"fit7lENTAiir PRoiliiot,' ...,.. z i t a h ri rli: , . ......p. 1 .4 4. • , that the I '‘" • HOUSE OF Witas. snaatmi 1+ , • ' about to it e: wartim e :4 4 s e the liar IsT Mr, Dinigb• last perk i • t o (Mood, et the newly Owtalbiefi. . ' ''''''A; 411 up the Mein vadeelee, vii.."4 . 11;7 " M71 a" kart. )." -.. (4.4 hr ase ant ,ekelsameeriAimerlpi, after. MI .•.`,...: a , • rb e ruwn of rbelare.Earm t4a,sAft.l - sod the prninulk 0 s s ., ex • lellk•igolni* do lat. kali) 04511414014 AN Exchequi /ono ' , thetiohysox . .tordere4:to,aut die table. r i nted, , s ipi ' Avaqr# 4 U ni "a 114 PgrA - • -..t:-:, . • .TT I'AZ• 1 1---- existed ni v '' • • • ' •..• . die isetlamaei ;it de Pro. Peace. .I v -s- -, , , 1" I‘ .. . H of 4.4410.1111114 rate dreamed d ... iy .. ,, . ,• .. •'-‘• Ale rineaerr, 024 0 8 6 , 1 0 1 11, of thu as an ant • ~." -t • bohnhyliaViliblir 1.11. artier dicier, ti , yor,•-• • • - • " -. .. tioso. IA v0*,...... "' 4.'444344yd .. .--'' . , . ii:lordi 1 .•-• arises. . - :tri t tle m a di i p sintturo, by Lord Hemi4.olo , _ _, •• S e *I - Tuft by the Of 4 63 cosi his p 145, foss Menheekl, la ithe tom* et Gloucester, by Lord and it I 1....... .1.-.. 1.-.1 . NUMBER 9054. " • ' - v' , , • FRIDAY, MARCH 8, Igl6. thought necessary and convenient. He now came to the point more imafrdiacely in question, and on that he must *confess . that the Noble blifikeis's explans tiOei were to him unsatisfactory. He ivoold admit from Vie statements which had been made; and from what appeared respecting that financial seitesn,. that it inigliebe the intent.on of its authors not so Voetjelse the PrtiPerry Tax, if such could have been awarded that their allections to have pledged •-• Week in preference to the Property theft hispeseweie that the war *mild' irteitee:eiacb circumstances, that a cdittintiiinee of the Property Tax would lbet the i r* ;tai nothing in the system 'Pledge that the tax should not he coin; of peace. Whether such a measure would be lilsst oieepidient, vial Arita& 'question. Nothing of she .*ind wal now et issue. But it appeared on, the face of the ;flan, that In certain circumstances the teas ender its operation, must have been continued in • eof peace. This Would appear ftom a reference abed the paragraphs, e'n Sieli.)efise iii yrhich the plan was. conceised would 'bias appear Gem the dot' cements printed by astliority; ;SO lid beFore'Pariia. bent. prom this (which was i id by 'hit Lordship) je appeared, that should the war continue beyond a 'retain period, the Property Tax was to be continued, end applied to the purposes of the plan, the inevitable I.:ference from which, he arried, must be, tbat the plan would go to pledges the tax in question (should the wsr have continued beyond seven rears) fot A certain period of peace. He was not questioningthe expediency of such a mestere, but he was certainly questioning, and he must deny that thOgood faith of Parliament was ever pledged to its positive cessation at any given time and be contended, from the part of the plan to which be had referred, that the prin. ciple was recognized, pledging the Propirty Tax to a certain extent in time of peace. With respect to what a Noble, or a Right Honourable Friend of his might have said, it could pot be supposed that he could answer for what words may be used ; but, ab. erected from the irregularity of such a reference, he believed it may be found they had never stated that it Was the intention of that Government to have conti. need the Property TAx in time of peace ; but that they had chewed that from the plan it was in their contemplation that circumstances might arise which may induce the continuance of the tax ; but in either I sense, no gtound whatever existed to form any charge against his Majesty's Ministers on the occasion. Lord GRENVILLE spoke at sot* length in sup. port of what had fallen from his Noble Friend (the Marquis of Lansdowne) relative to the finance plan of 1806, and argued, that from whatever fairly ap peared on the face of the plan, and from every thing that passed upon the occasion, it was not to* infer red that the then Administration had the least inter). of comitmets, the Property Tax is time of peace; dirrisisitiary, a Was oae of ifs psincti.dlobjects to have avoided se obnoxious a measure. He contended that at least a verbal pledge had been more thati once given by . Ministers, and countenanced by the Legis. fame, and it is his firm conviction, that nothing bolt a general persuasion on the pat of the public, that they would be eased of a considerable part et their burthens, but more particularly the tax in question, had induced them to bear those burthens to chete. l fully as they had done. He deprecated drawing y. terences as to the objects of a system, from what be deented a garbled or unconnected extract. He do: fended the measure of the increase of the Property •I'ax by the Administration of 1806, and which, be believed, was the intention of their great predecessor in office to have done, had his valuable life been pea &es ved to the country. A Petition against the Insolvent Debtors' Bill was ted from Koaresborough, is the county of V47):17, 1 by cue of their Lordships, and ordered to lie os she table. • STATO OP THE WATIOS. The Order of the Day, upon which their Lord ships were summoned, being read— The Doke of BEDFORD rose, pursuant to his notice, and observed, that the subject to which be bad to call their Lordships' attention, was one of so much magnitude, and embraced such a variety of hiportant objects, that he should have shrunk from tie . task which be had undertaken, did he not feel certain of receiving from their Lnrdships' indulgence that degree of favourable attention of which he stood se much in oeed. His Grace then stated his inten tion of concluding by moving for a Committee of the whok House 40 consider of the State of the Nation. He then Merred to various precedents, whose, on great and momentous occasions like the such a course bad been adopted by the The Noble Duke was proceeding with his subject, when be, ending himself suddenly Indispos ed, resumed his seat, apparently much affected, and unable to proceed farther. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE immediately suggested that the House would perhaps allow the Noble Duke to postpone his motion to another day. • The Earl of LIVERPOOL said. he had too much personal esteem for the Noble Duke to object to any postponement suitable to' his Grace's con venience. Earl GREY thou moved that the debate be ad journed till Tuesday neat, which was immediately agreed to by their Lordships, who were ordered to be summoned accordingly. • • Adjourned tiU tomorrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS; Nation Aecounb wateptesented of the amounts of Duties es soots, &c. IA Scotland, for the last itae.—Ordered to he en the table. A Petition front the Inalreapers and Publicans of Manehewer, quiet the New Lies= Duties, was brouiht op and ordered w iks ea the table. .1% . • PaPors issrepreseted front the East India Company, relative to t h e Itirdatial of the Camellia Bombay, Mama, Fort St. Ceoqpie, Ito Mr. M. A. TAYLOR rose , for khe purpose of moving foe a Couniittee, to consider the state of the Pavements of the hitftolis, in preference to moving for knit to bring io a M. Lit year his_ Bill vs, read a wend time, sad he withdrew it, beeense bs was informed, by delegates imm diff-reng ( wishes that he would meet with engve general suppnet by pootponing it till the present time. But the Plaids of Wry-la-benne. and a few others, had seceded from their engagement with him, and opposed the iheasure. He would new however, be able to hew that trued of the Parish"; , Ilia numerous accidents that happened,' the Honour. able Gentleman expressed his hope, that the House would grant the Committee, in which he shonld pro. pose, that all the Parish Clerks in London should be summoned to attend, to 'hew in what way the 13 , 11 wad be (rinsed to benefit the publiF at large. them astedt, is short, be some inspection of the streets, by tire public Officers 'of Bath Porlik, 'whose gams dtoutd be alfized in places where all persons might see them, and know to whom to apply, to levitate • object in view. If it were not obtained by this Maas, compulsory meusures would be necessary, as the only remedy for the accidents that so frequenely occur. He therefore trusted that the House would give its unanimous attention to so laudable a subject. Tbe Hon. Gentleman concluded with moving foe a Select Committee; to inquire into the present state of the Pavement of the Metropolis. Sir JOHN SIMEON said a few words in juitifi. cation of the Palish of Mary-la-bonne, (or wishing not to be included in ille Qfll, as he was sure that they had the means of patting their Parish in cont. plete repair. No people could be more desirous of doing their duty. General THORNTON could auure the House that the Parish of St. George's; Hanover•sqsare, was equally Inclined is do its duty as the Hot; Baronet had Asserted the Parish of Mary-la-bonne to be, but he thought the Vestries hid not the power to do what WAS necessary. The interposition of the Hon. -Mover had, however, done some good already, and the Motion should have bis support. Mr. HURST. defended the statements of his kit" Friend, •and supported the moti.n. Mr. M.A. TAYLOR again descanted on the op. position of the Parish of Mary-la-bonne, which had sent circular letters to the different parishes, wed aim sent deputations to the vestries, to induce them to use every means to stifle his I the names of Bishops and the first Grandees in the kingdom - were handed about, as in opposition to this Bill ; and when he (Mr. Taylor) came to invite how this was, WlC nil of the great men in question having previotisly promised him that tisei w . nold support Iles 841, he luttilitllgLefrutd acute to the Ifesay to vote only for a new Inspector, and had never seen any of the Resolutions against the Bill, io that their -names were rurrertitiously used for a purpose for woicb they never gave them. With respect to the Pariah of St. George's, he was sure of their concurrence it; the Pleasure. The question was then. pot and carried, and the Committee of twentpone Members appointed. Lord COCHRANE rose to move for copies of various letters hors himselt to the Secretary of the Admiralty, at different times, and the answers, which' he stated to be necessary to the Motion be intended to make, relative to his late trial. Mr. LUSHINGTON supgested, that if any of those letters involved public affairs, they could nut be granted. Sir JOSEPH YORKE requested the Noble Lord to suspend his Motion till the House was better at. tended, as belied desaibed the nature of it in so low , a tone, that few of the Members opposite could hear it; besides which, the Gentleman who could partien• larly reply to him, tinny objections were to be made, was not present. Lord COCHRANE acceded to the request. Mr. BENNETT moved for accounts of the amoust of all Colonial Produce imported into the United Kingdona for the last ten years, together with the names of all pansies to whom the consignments wire made. Also an Account of the Eapeuces of the Royal Waggon Train, from the Ist of January, ISIS, to .the Ist of Janu.try, 1/318, specifying 'hie Allowances to Staff Officers, and other particulars. Areed to. Order of the Day far calling over the names of defaulters was discharged. Mr. ABE RC ROM B Y moved for an Account of aUAugmentations which had.takeo place in the Sa laries ot* the Commissioners of the Navy Board, since . the Ist of June, 1814. After a few words from the*CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, who intimated that the He. nourable Gentleman could attain his object by other means than a Motion, he consented to withdraw it. hlr. J. P. GRAM' wished to know whether the returns ordered by the House, on the motion tit the Honourable Member' for Waterford, relative to the Fees of the Court of Session in Scotland, had hese 'received. He took the present opportunity' of stating, that Much misapprehension had prevailed, as to the Order of the House having been sllgh eti by ihute to whom it Was seat ; for no blame was to be attached to the Court of Session, or any other persons. The delay was'eaused, in the first instance, by the order fiaving been sent from the Secretary of State's Of. - fiat for the Hotne Departrftent to the Lord 'Advocate for Scotland, instead of to the Lord Pre.ident of the `COlirtof Session. No persons were less liable to sus ,picion of disrespect to that House than the Heads of that Court, for no kersons were nigte upright and in dependent thin thosil GentlaMes. His Duty obket in making these observations vote to relieve thins from the imputation'ot *rata negligenorbedisrespeet to the Or,ters of the Minot. A The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER concurred in the justice which the liosiveltg op e G. • we been avoided that setae, of the Parishes were en poor, and their , ged all the 'other funds so low, that they mold never I,dsthe mesas ty Tat, and that , *taking the inspotenelionte, weft:- offset'. were se Idhave cowhides!! 4. - the / 'pet. on t ' when nmessity..int , _. C - ~,, . goad not exist ;-g ~ ~ re cm. er tern to involve a the shinsetul condition of the streets' in msny ports colitinued in tint* of the metiopalle, • and attributing to them many of • . . . *. .. PRICE SS R• - PRiet p.. ne urn the the kit de• Mr. east the Ye M :ba- ie'n• 55411 two And night, Ed . w as p r ose ?raid, n e of- d e Lis 4 Dri l l /le el - which dy di y of cJ the 32. r. Oar 'NIA on to be`are a is aP ow MI b a t :be ivom rat 111 531 1 d Wet let •