Star. — London, England, 1816-06-18 00:00:00

, SI way of lalgislatrie ens . That gold was Ihe standard of value, ori c Alig t y arose ont of the issarnitu de of the commercial concerns of the country,. Itnd it afterwards so continued on the same principle. Indeed, it was plain, that when a particular metal was constituted a legal tender, in a limited sum, and - another in a sum not limited, it was an inferred de claration, that the latter, such as gold, was the actual standard. Another criterion was the urine of ex change; when the , gold coin was in an imperfect mate, the bidance immediately turned against us ; -but that• Was not the case with respect to silver . ; its deterioration' produced no such effect. Therefore gold was necessarily regarded is the standard of va. Inc. Nothing was more 'clear than that. reckoning from the period of the gold recoinage to that of the Walt restriction, it was that state of things that all were desirous of reverting to,-namely, to a period when gold was in circulation, and that consideration alone would be a proof of gold being considered as the general standard of value. That gold ought tO Continue-the standard of value, as various and as in. controvertible arguments certainly obtained. First, it was not liable to the same fluctuations in value, as the less valuable Metals ; it was less likelyao become deteriorated than silver.. People in general weighed their guineas and half-guineas ; but they never could be induced to weigh silver.—(licar. hear). —lt was certain that there ought to be but one standard, of value, and that standard ought to be gold. For this they had the severest of all guides to determine them, namely, eapetience. There were instances in, which silver was tried as a standard of value, and it always failed. Gold had been tried, and it did not tail.— (gear, err).—What his Majesty's Government pro. posed was not an innovation. but to revert to that .system, of which they had ample experience from the years 1717 to 1774, and thence to the restriction on the flank ; and this was a recurrence for which all parties were professedly anxious. With respect to' what was said as to a proposed change in the deno mination of the gold coin, that certainly was not a question of principle, but one of convenience ; if it were found by practical persons to be a matter of real convenience, though he would tattier adhere to the old denominations, he had ao objection to the al. tendon. As to the idea of evil resulting front the prieposed coinage, he differed widely from the Noble Earl.; but it was certain the longer the measure was deayed the greater would be the difficulties. This his Lordship entered upon some calculations to este. blialu He saw no apprehension for the new Silver 4 Coinage not remaining in tires-Wiwi; the average price of silver was ss. and a fraction, and unless time was a considerable rise in the price (of which there was no ground whatever for supposing), there could be no danger of the new coin disappearing. It was not the intention to issue the new silver coinage until the whole of the old were called in, or cried down ; and it was not intended that the Bank Tokens sl.ould remain much longer in circulation after the new coin was issued, net haiger perhaps than six weeks or two months. He repeated, there was no pioipect of a ride in the price of silver bullion, unless in the event of necessary importations of corn front the Continent, er a foreign expenditure. This last was the great cause of the lung unfavourable state or the excilunge. In the peace of 1814, ta e watt was scarcely dry on the Treaty, wherethe Exchange tut ned in our favour, notwithstanding there were heavy floating Comicial- WM smuts againsa us. No one %time° more tor tan tesuluption of cash payments' by the Batik than he did, and in the interval, every step should be adopted to supply the country with a proper coinage. Upon the whole, when he considered the great MASS of in formation which was before Parkiment on the sub jett-7-the repeated and 1 .ng discussioni it had under gone. he.must feel there was no necessity whatever ter farther delay or examination, with respect Loa measure which was so necessary, and so loudly and generally called fo r r.—(lfrar, hrarl.-1t was there- ; tore his du y to oppose the Noble I.arl's . motion. Their I....irdships respectively spoke in explanation, .and on the question being put, the motion was nega dyed without a division. The remaining Bills upon the Table were then for walled in their several. stages.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS: Idr. CANNING :ouk the oath and his seat as Menthe: for' Liverpool. Mr. LONG moved for an estimate of the expenses of erect ing a temporary building •t rile &hash Museum, to receive the Fisk' marbles. Ordered. General HOIANTON gave notice, that on the fifth be would move an Address so the Prtace Regent, to request that he would be pleased to order the erectlisu of too tree Churches, to cum niessorate the victories of Waterloo awl Trafalgar. Surrogates' Bill went through a Committee. Repoli to-isi 'avow. '1 be House went into a Committee on the 03 and Blubber Act', and Bill: were ordered to be brought in. Mr. itcP , ll °hulloed leave to bring in a Bill for better rep. bring the Drawing of the Half Pay of Navy Officers. Mr. LUSPIiNGTON moved that the Order fur the second reading of the rah Duty Bill be discharged.—Agreed to. The Half-pay Regulation Bill was brought in by Mr. Rose.— Rtad.a first . time, ai4 ordered to: a second reading to-morrow. Mr. RtkiE having moved that the• Report of the Madhouses' Bail he taken into further consideration. Lord ROBERT SEYMOUIt paid high compli ments-to the author of the Bill, but contended that it did not give sufficient powers to the Co mmissioneri. He reprt.ved the regular manner in which the pa. tieuts in Bethlem Hospital were lately visited, bled, and vomited, without -much auention to the vicissi. nudes of their disorder. This would rot have hap pened had the Commissioncrs brio empowered to call more frequently and inquire wore deeply. A shun titne ago, the Commtssioners had visited, in two hours and a half, 406 patients at Hutton, and could not hare liad time to do full justice to them all. He had been long in the habit of calling at those abodes of human misery; and the House would be turprized to learn, that until a few weeks he had rever heard of a lunatic being visited by a single re lative or friend. It was not astonishing, therefore, that many abases should prevail in licensed mad. Louses. At Hutton there was no classification of patients. At the establishment at York, although it witil visited by . Gentlemen of humiity. there were four cells in which thirteen women were lucked up at night, - and literally buried in their own nastiuess. y 0u4 1.4 patients had also been found accessible 10 the koeyers, and two women who-enjoyed excellent chit zacters before they had been sent to this establish. trent, lest it pregnant at their recovery, the one by the *oilier, and the other . by a patient. He then tituttbed the horrors of -tbc panishiseutof the wait, waistcoat, lagged oo refasten' potion. and raid' that the lancet was sometimes employed fur no otters' purpose than to reduce them to a state of co exhaustion. • -Mr. ROSE eonteoeloti„ that the Bill invested Ma.; &rates with sufficient powers to remove the abuses that might ockur' in Madhouiei. The Report was then taken into farther consideration. Mr. C. WYNNE suggested the propriety of in. trodncieg a regulation in the Bill, to apply to houses where only one lunatic was contained. lie then pro posed to introduce a clause, enacting that no person should receive a lunatic, without a certificate from s medical man, stating hat the individual was a fit subject for confinement; that when one should be proposed to the keeper, he should send notice of it to the Commissioners, who would he sworn to se liony, and that he shoul ultimately obtain patent. Mr. from the Secretary o f State to receive the patient. Mr. ROSE moved the re•commitment of the Bill. Lord BINNING wished that the provisions of the Bill should be made to extend to Scotland. *The Bill was then ordered to be re-committed _____ Morrow. Mr. Invixo, from the Office of Ins'pretor.General of Exports and Imports, presented accounts of the bomber of Ships employed in the South Sea While Fisheries.—Ordered to lie on the Table. _ Mr. ELLIS presented an estimate of the expenses of a temporary building for the reception of the Ei• gin Marbles.--Ordered to be relerred to the Com mittee of Supply. Mr. Mtn I'IINOT presented an account of the Expense of the Penitentiary at Milbank.—Ordered to he on the Table._ Sir H. PARNELL presented a Petition from.the Inhabitants of Dublin, praying that the improve ments proposed by the Committee on the Holyhead Packet Bill be carried into effect. After a few worch from Mr. V. FITZOERALD and Mr. C. WYNNR, the Petition was read, and ordered to lie on the Table. Lord FOLKSTONE presented a Petition from Thomas John Walker, against punishing small crimes with death, and praying that an asylum be provided for the reception of petty criminais.—Ordered to lie on the Ta ble. _ _ Mr. GUM/. LANGTON presented a Petition signed by 3,377 persons, tiara ti►e inhab . tants of the County ,of Somerset. against any Additio n ► to the Salary of the Coroners.—Ordered to lie on the Table. Sir SAMUEL. ROMILLY presented a Petition from a number of (I,:ntltmen holding tenements in the square of Lincoln's Inn, against the erection of Courts fur the Chancellor and Vace•CL:ancellhr, in Lincoln's Inn Garden. Atter a ieW words from Mr. COUXTIMAY. the Peti tion was read and ordered to lie on the Table. Sir S. ROMILLY then presented A Petition from Prisoners f 44 Debt in the New Gaol in the City of London. against the Repeal or Alteration of the In solvent Detrtors' Act.—Ordered to lie on the Table. The third reading of the Gus Lignt Bill was put off till Wednesda). CONSOLIDATION Of TUX EXCHIIQUERIL The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved, 44 That the Report of the Committee on the. Exchequer Consolidation Bill be received." On reading the motion that the blank in the clause for creating a Vice-Treasurer of Ireland, be tilled with the words seS.Aon a.y . r . Mr. PONSONBY rose and said The debate in the Committee on the merits of this Bill, being so much extended, I do not think it necessary to detain the House long by any further observations: The reasons then urged by this side of the llouse, why a salary of stSsOu was wholly uncalled tor, appear to me so unanswerable, that I am en this occasion more disposed to submit the motion to the Houle without argument. lis the Committee a salary of ,6551X/was proposed, and I moved a reduction to sti'oo9; and I am well convinced that any one out of this House, who compared the amendment with the porosition, thought that I erred rather in giving too much, and that toy fault was liberality, n ot t h e contrary — (Hone, hear. hear.) The reduction should In greater. I, however, will not depart from the arneadnient I then proposed ; and I shall now move that the blank be filled up with the words &WM a-year." The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would nut have addressed the House on this subject A ner the decisive majority which voted on a former night in favour of the original Motion, but that there were many now present who had not been in the, House on that occasion. T 3 apprise them, there., fore, of the name of the proposed arrangements, it; was necessary to recapitulate his arguments. In the year 1795, the Treasury of Ireland was placed under the coots's' of dace Vice Treasurers, each of whom had £3500 a year. It was now intended to create one. who was to have the individual management of all the pecuniary concerns of that kingdom. 'When it was also known that those three ice= Treasurers executed their business by deputy, he did not think that the House would consider the present appoint. ment as being too extravagant. The House then divided, when tile numbers were —For the Amendment of Mr. Ponsonby 100— Against it 98—Majority in its favour 2. The salary of the Vice-Treasurer will, therefore, he X2OOO a-year. (While strangers were excluded loud shouts were heard in the lobby of the Rouse.) On our re-admission to the gallery we friend Mr. PONSONBY on his legs, contending, that as the Argumea.t of the Gentlemen opposite against.bis amendment oft a former night was, that 42000 a-year would be insufficient to support the dignity of the Vice Treasurer and the expenses incidental to his necessary attendance in Parliament, it now of course tolloweo, that when £2OOO a-y ear was considered by die House a fair compensation for his services, his seat in Parliament must be quite unnecessary. He (Mr. Pontoon/by) fek the force of this ;Cringe, and would, therefore, move, on the third reading of the Bill, that the clause enabling the .Vice Treasurer to sit in Parliapent be rescinded—(Hear, hear. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied. that it was not on the ground of the amount of salary the seat in Parliament was considered as an appendage to this office, but on account of the im ' pomace of the qualifications necessary for she indi dual who held this office, and the magnitude of the sit lion itself. Mr. TIE.KNEY.si Whet are the qualifications l ac:wary tar such a situation, and wherein siasiits •-•• „ , . die impoltiate atibe ace balk r radkaggsa - r 7 osiser M • BANtES inquired whether the expense of , the office, of DeptsFy, attached to this situation, was to be imposed on the public or on the priocipal who held it Tbe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE Q UER replied, it could nut be intended that it should fall on the principal, who bad acv but 4'2000 a-year. Mr. BANICES was of opinion, that the principal should pay the expenses of. the Deputy, or else that be should remain on the spot which was the seat of his business ; and, according to the words of the act, s issue out of the Exchequer of Ireland the certain necessary sums."—(Haar.) It he did not adopt this practice, his situation was unnecessary—for, since the union of tho Treasuries, the Lowness - had beea regularly conducted, and indeed, since the Abolition of the Vice TreilStiref Ship, which furnterly subsisted.' be could hardly see a, reason why an itieGicient office with an effective salary should be abolished, and the appendage of its income carefully preserved. But it really appeared that the object was, not only t' create an office for a particular individual, but to make the ofiicer lenitive from the proper sphere of his sluts', and to take his seat in that House.— kar.) Such a proceeding was highly ob jectionable. The public at large felt it as a sinecure, and on the third reading of the Bill, he would per haps propose that the Deputy should b.: paid by the Principal. Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that the Deputy would have to issue money, and cotititer,ilo the war rant of his Principal. He (Sir Jo'ili) could no; concur in the importance of tois ostice, because he knew it could be dispensed with altogether, as, in deed, it Vaal been by the transmittal a the warrants to the Treasury here. At all evens, it the oilier were necessary, the individual holding it should re side on the spot, and make hiniseit useful (45 he might) as a servant of the Treasury. On the question that the But be read the third time on Wednesday, Mr. PONSONI3f submitted the propriety of fixing the third reading for Tuesday, as important business stood fur ‘Vednesday, which would throw back this question teltil a late hour, when it could come cu. Lied CASTLEREAGH said, that he was anxi ous fur a fu:l attendance . on this question, and he thought this could not be Letter actompliiiieJ than by bringing it on upon a night when a LUUtiOll of im portance was expected. . Mr. PONSON i Y Trtia; but who cln expect ais motion call t.one an itt wagon...6le time on that night ?"—(fienr.) Mr. TIE lt ti l:: Y remarked, that it appeared throughout, the N0!7.1.: Lord':; plan was to carry on this jo'i at a i ite hour of their sitt•ng, anil now, warn he f outi:l he cnuld not accomplish his purpose ill its full extent, he was determined to carry on bah a j.,6. (.1 lan;4, and Afar.) it was impossible, with the Ousiness that stood for Wednesday (Mr. Wilbcr torce. motion for a Registration of Slaves), that this question could get a proper hearing. but the Noble Lod termed still to think that be could cart y tLe [louse front job to job throughout the whole Cession without internaission—(llear.) . Lord CASTLEREAGH replied, that he could understand the anxiety of the Right lion. Gentleman opposite to anticipate this discussion, from having heard that the Right Hon. Gerstleinaa was on the eve of recruiting himself horn his labours in that House by a little travelling recreation abroad.— (Hear, fro?: dae Oftitotitio Beraher.) But it was really eXtrAoi6ii:ary that the objection to the COOSide:***iil Of this questitna should be objected to on account of the probable luilness of the House. Now DO business stood for to-niorrow, and therefore a full attendance WAS nut to be expected. There would be that atten dance on Wednesday, and why object to the lutther consideration ut this measurs Mr. TIERNEY rose in reply, and observed, that if the Noble Lord thought he was getting rid of one traveller, .he at least had secured another traveller. (This deervation excited great bailiff, Mr. Canning h:ming at the mom , : ! entered, and halm kis seat next Lora (eutiereagk).—lSut he (Mr. Tierimy) be,:ged to as sure the Noble Lord, that he did not mean in his travels to leave this business behind him—(l - fear, hear) He really objected to the mode of carryieg this tne.r• sure, not from the fullness of the House, but horn the thin attendance to which it must be exposed, after a long debate—(lfear, hear.) Mr. WYNNE observed,- that 41 Orders of the Day were set down for this niet, only five for to. morrow, and two notices, not Likely to create discus sion. What fair reason could be given for fixing this discussiorr upon .a day when much business would necestrily be done, and when it could nor come on until a late hour, and overlooking a day when little would be dune 1--(thar, hear.) Lord CASTLEREAGH saw no reason but that to-morrow, being the anniversary of the battle ut Waterloo, a full House could not be expected. . Mr. TIERNEY—•• Could not the Noble Lord have mentioned this before ? Was it the first time he heard of the anniversary r. _ _ _ It was then understood that the third reading of this Bill should have prucedeoce on IVednesday. Mr. BROUGHAM iodinated, that the important notice of his Honourable Friend WAS CUtilled to this order. COSUSITTSK OP SUPPLY. The House having gone into the Committee, seve ral of the ordinary Estimates tor the Army. and the Miscellaneous Services ut the Year, and those of the Civil Li.t, were moved arnAs agreed to, alter a very short and unimportant conversation between Mr. TIRRNEY and the CHANGMLLOIt of the Ennis :Qum. The next Resolution, which also gave rise to a con verution, was that tor granting the win of 4:300,000 for defraying the exptnsc ut such Civil &Tyke. as did not turns a pan of the ordinary charges ut the Civil List. The following Resolutions were also proposed and *agreed to : • 5116,450 for remuneration to the Officers, Petty Officers, Seamen and Marines, under Lord Keith, wLeu culiguyed ulr ;he coasts of span and France, fur captures maile,duawg that period. Rehm the Resolution atm agreed tu i Mr.ba is expressed his regret that the vote had not been bruugla lorward at an earlier period of the Session. 4150,000 distrdiution amongst the Officers. frame, and Ma riam under Captain Campbell, for capturing Naples and Murat'. navy, the ships having hew given tip w the Neap/luau Govern meat. Xt00,04 4) for Qdreo Anne's Bounty. JIM tor rctuuvtus the I 4 Ite:Arbko to the &Mb Museum. 41,700 for mobs a tetoPentr7 bunantrtsr tir ricosh. 4 . dune Marbles.. £30,000 for Pere t t n *nd other Secret Services for ism ?d r. TLERNEY. wished for some explanatio n w i n so large a bum should be required in time of pea ce Mr. A ItBUTHNOT said it did not fnil 3 ,, , 114 t the sum would he useu bec.tose it w as voted; bet i. was necessary to have it in hind. Lord CASTLEREAGH expressed himself prt. cisely to the same effect ; adding, that was it Cl;kid , .. table reJtmtion from whit had usuall7 been vot.d time of war, which in one Tear bad Amotoren igl7o.Uf ,Coe, , GO for making and rerririe z ; Rtr..ds. Hi s b, --Ps 1.4 BriOdz::tihhei the s i o l l ' fi l i 4 , 4 o ' l g4 l 6 b " e f it S i cl i.i: t r i el t a il d for pan t i ng , e 75.003 for the expense nt nirking a ttll.l.tnt! Navigatio..eanak Mr. BROUGHAM *is:sect to know what m oat , had already been laid out in this , iiidertaking ? ' Mr. A i:BUTEINC.Y: said, betwcfn r'S'cl b oon am .CG(M)00. Mr. LIZOUGH A YI replied, that this new v bit -. most b:e a waste of the public money, as it was ns t : opinion of the most experienced Engineers, that tia wank nc ver could oe completed. Mr. W. LUN D AS asserted, that the connory ttat the case. 'l' he Canal bring nearly cut, it tc.,,,1 4 be false economy to withhoid a grant of 475,tr0u A t tic) 1 years, to complete so p,reat an object, withinit which, all that had been previously expels& d would to i ng. After some Wad conversation betwian Mr.j uav Satan, Mr. W. DUNDAN, MT. nAltiNtnoN, amd/ 440 BINNING (who said, that when the Ciittal 911, cit. ;acted, it would produce a tevoine ot siflo mi " yerr), Mr. CALCKAFT, and the CilANCla.t.ci t tit 14 EXCHLQUER ( who asserted that the 3..... il.l ito) na l grdia would not make the whole exceed X7uo,ouis, .. 4 1,1,. scanted tin the great advantages u 'tic . . w.uiti be de. rived to the public, whets the work was Luni v L ic ji i t the Resolution n as agreed to. The following Sums were voted without any to r . trial observations : For the ta:abli,hutent, the Milbank Peolteetiary House #lna Vor the expenses of 'matting the ball 1 tt . . :iIU I lot completing the esaentatualt oh the Thames, op i as s i te to i be Picirteur.rry 'louse - - - 2,555 For huild:ng and repairing torts on the Coast of Africa tom , For works required to he done in the Kitt s ', Leitch Priala 4%0 Fur repairing the rya& Let wets, I I or) head, etr,ter, glil Laugur V er ry - • - - 1 3): For the er e eli.es of improving liolyitead kirtesurr 1 • On the Resolution for the Grant a A:21,464 L.A. tie expenses oi the Royal Nar y Asyitifit Mr. ROSE said, he did not anueibmte any nb:,ec. Lion to this vote. The denialid I%as necessary, to snake some provision fur the children whu were occa. sionalay removed. The Governor had received in. saructions to dispose of the cliiiciteu to the sea service as far as possible. There was no iastitutiou nun impal natty conductud, there nut beilig a single in. stance of a child having been admitted tlitungla tawur in any way whatever. There it:eei been 71 boys sent to the Naval rxtvice, 125 to the Merchants' service, ICI. wins had run away, arid 14 Whdligai died. Sir CHARLES eoLt: :wee tetik• y to all tke Right Hun. Gentleman bad said tie favoJr of the high character (if the Officers connected • with this establishment; but it WAS much to be regretted that only `1 boys had been produced to the Navy, liana an institution whic'Y had cast the country upwards of 4•100,(YJO. He di 1 nut Mink at such a time the :1 ;del) , had any right to come to Parliament cal , ask for aP20,000, when their funds at this moment amounted to 0)0,900, and particularly as Par/tamed had no controul over the liistitioiot. There had also been .440,C00 voted to it by Ilia Pacriutic Fund, which he contended was an improper application...a. He should move as an amendment, that it was not expedient to grant this etre. lie thoug h t it &Arai., nig to the First Lard of the Adatiralry to take lria . Sear at 014- Board as a secondary Othcer t arkt , for all the reasons be had stated, he should moose the tote from year to year, till he saw the Iristitatitas . become a Naval Establishnient. Mr. ROSE pointedly delemiled the regulations of the establishment, and the integrity of every Officer connected with it. The capital of egg/ i t/00 l i ven by the Patriotic Fund was on the exptess condition that a certain number ot boys should be taken, to be brought up and educated for the merchatios' service. Tbe Institution had been conducted as well and as economically as any other its the kingdom. Sir CHARLES MONCK objected to the vote, provided the sum required for the Institution should not exceed the proceeds upon the sum of reto,ooo already in baud. lie thought it discreditable that only 71 boys had beta pwiluced to the Navy, while 164 had run away. After a few words from Mr. CALCRAFT, ex pressive of his hope that the Gallant Admiral would perform his pledge of taking up the subject every .Session, Mr. ARBUTHNOT afterwards amended the Re- • salution, and moved a Grant of AV2O,S(X) to be ap plied to the purpose specified, if enough should not be received from the Managers of the Patriotic Fund to answer the purpase. Mr. LOCKHART said •the Managers of the Pa. triotic Fund had not a sum in their timid, equal to the proposed Grant. At .present.they had but A,:1,0 () in the 3 per Cents. After a short conversation, in which the ATTORNEY GENERAL. Sir C. I 200 LE, and Mr. NIARRYATT pain. cipated, Mr. AIIELMINOT declined pressing the Revs lution, and thought it better, for the present, to with draw it altogether. It was accordingly withdrawn, £BIOO was granted towards the is-cabin of an abylein 131' the reception of cellular' lunatics. A grant of X34.:00 vias moved to remunerate Mr. Aaron Graham fur variocs se:vices perfortneJ, in addition to thwe at• 1444 to the office ot inepectur of the Convict Mike. Islr. H. ADDING ION stated Me. A. Graham to have been appointed Inspector of the Convict Hulks is 1801, with a salary of £3.50 per aniltyla.—.- He then briefly described the other duties which liOd fallen upon him, and spewed the expense attetiLlarA on the performance of them, and the labour connec. led with them, entitled him to the remuneration called for. Mr. %V. WYNN had no wish to speak against the services of Mr. Graham, but he did not like the course now taken, that of opening the book, and turning back to what a man received fifteen years ago, and then arming a large grant, on the grouud that his salary bad eta been sufficient. The following grants were then voted : To defearthe expense Of the Works now cat-tying on in the Cadwge of Edinburgh - 5e10,90) To enable hi. Majesty to pay to the Portuguese Go istauteut a like sum, pursuant to a conventiOn .. spa* Vierfai, Jae. al, Isis .. • ' • 3111 ,3000 WO I Too I Ti 1 5 % V IA • b