Star. — London, England, 1804-07-03 00:00:00

Oat °mowed to Mm as neceffary. Aftet the circom itance 9f the debt fhould be laid before Parliament, t ten it would become a fuhjed for confideration what cnur ta to f )Ilow. Further paniculars might be called for, and the fulled invedigation might take place, if is fhould appear to he neceffary. This idea would, be hoped, meet the wilhes and he calculated to an fwer the objeet which his Hon. Friend fought for. As to the explanation required by his Hon. Friend ie. finding the aid derived to the Civil Lid from the of per cent. ditties, and other funds, he could date to his Honourable Friend and the Houle, that this aid was infignifirant indeed. Adverting to the advances made to the Duke of Clarence and General Gardiner, the Right Honourable Gentleman prefilmed that it would be found the ftipulated instalments were de dated from their falarie.. He did not mean to !Lite it pofitively, as he had made no inquiry on the Cub. jed. [Here Mr. Banks flared wrote the tab.'e that the contrary appeared to be the jai, frost the account: befell the Houle.) Mr. Pitt returned. With remed to the prim eiple of occafionally advancing nanny to perfons con. need with the Civil Lid, where the caiffe appeared to be preffing, and not ntherwife, he differed widely from the opinion of his Honourable Friend. Such advances, he admitted, ought not to be fremient, and fhould be made only upon extraordinary occafions ; but in point of fad, the advances alluded to by his Hon. Friend were not of filch amount, as much to slam the jealoufy of the Horde upon this fithjed.— As to the allufions of his Hon. Friend to the leveret items of the accounts on the table, he mud fay. that ha waknot prepared to fatisty him ; but he was at li berty to move for any document he thought neeef fary to the full explanation of the points he referred to. With many ra mod of the points adverted to by his Honourable Friend, he had no immediate con cern, but yet he had no doubt that they could all be fatisfaftorily accounted for. He wilted the Hon. Gentleman, the Houfe, and the Country clearly to comprehend every part of the Ratement, and that every light Ihould be thrown upon it. He had no other defire than that it Ihould be probed to the bottom, ip order that it ffinuld be Peen that the ap plication he had the honour to fubmit, was the refult of a real unavoidable neceffity, and in no part of the expenditure had Governmenbceared to exercife a pro per and vigilant controul. Feeling a jug folicitude tor the credit of his Majefty's Government, it was his anxious with, that every means Mould be taken to fa• tisfy the country of the truth of the fads lie had dat ed. There were many parts of the houfehold, in which the Right Honourable Gentleman dated.' hat he made his eitamate lower than was formerly fixed, particto lady in the Board of Works alluded to by his Ho nourable Friend. In that department an increafed expenditure had been incurred within the two lad years, which was nut likely to recur again. It arofe from the fitting up of apartments for the accommo dation of tome of the branches of his Majelty', fa mily. In this department, and akin in many other... be had felt it his duty to draw up a reduced ettimate. He hoped it would not be found too late, and that in his endeavour to prevent unneceffary espence, he Mould not export himfelf to the charge of laying a delufive flatement before the Houfe, ur of contribut ing to reduce the juts claims of any defcription of per fonts Mr. ADDINGTON (aid, no part of the Extrant dimities itated at ao,oool. were applied to Beret fer vice in the papers under conlideration. Among the lead objeCtionable parts of the public charge would, he trolled. be admitted the additional fume applied to the fupport of Foreign Embaffies. It was very im portant that men .of talents and of family Ihould un dertake thefeeniffions, and the inducement had often been found istrufficient from a mifguided patrimony in this particular. It would be teen in the accounts. that for the year 1803, tchoool. ; and for year 1804. t 10001. were under the title fpecial fervice. In Mr. burke's Bill, there was a provifion that a book timid be kept at the Trealury. dating the different items in fpecial fervice. It would appear in the prefent in. Rance, that no Inch dilliaCtions were introduced, but the Houfe, if it thought fit, might order the explana tions to be even from the fource of information to i which he Mad jolt alluded. An Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Bankes) had objected to the film of 16,0001. devoted to the exigencies of a Royal Duke, yoool. of which dill remained unfatisfied. Was it not re colleded, that four years fence the Houfe had given an expectation that fome fuch adidance would be afforded ? He would put it to the Houfe, if it were confident with its dignity to abandon the defign after (itch an intimation? He perfectly coincided with the Right Hon. Gentleman in his propnfition for a per manent increafe of the Civil Lill Eflabliffiment to the extent of 60,0001. and he thought it right to remark that it was an example of his moderation. He like. wife approved of the expedient to avoid all future al rears that would not be the fubjed of invetligation in that Houfe.—The true quedion before the Houle was, if fuitable provifion were to be made for the illudrious perfon who fills the throne of thefe realms; if that exterior fplendour were to be conferred which was confident with the enlightened maxims which Fievailed under our free Conflitution ? It was mat ter of furprife that the numerous branches of the Royal Family were exhibited before their country with fo much advantage and dignity at an erpence fo ii.cnnfiderable. The exchange of the revenues of the Crown for the eftablithment on the Civil Lit), had been a beneficial bargain to the natioo, and neither r2truption nor profufirm had been the conf:imence of • ..s remuneration. He would not believe that any t . Trinus refinance would be given to the prcfent mo. tion, efpccially as its immediate objeli was to place tle Civil Lift under the controul of Parliament. As he had fo conficlerable a Owe of late in the concerns 51 this eilablifliment, he thought it proper to make .:.cfe coneife nhfervations. Dr. LAWRENCE entered into a long and minute 2,-tence of Mr. Burke's Bill, and dwelt on the pro f. ,cry of ieparating the different accounts relating to tiJe civil lin. lie complained, particularly, that the lii . inn politics were too litde attended to, while too n...t ii encouragement was given to expenditure in the - i..... department. !iJ FRANCIS BURDETT found it impailhle to 11... e that view of the lubjeet, which the Right lion. (.. , :iitleman oppofite had done. The prefent circum it :aces of the country, he thought, rendeted any e mind on the public pure extremely delicate. The I, Olt lion. Gentleman oppofite had argued, that In ( • iie the neeetfaries of lite were high, and hec•iiire iLcaitics were fclt, even us Use higher to al.:. of Loci- • ety, we mull, therefore, neeeffarily Li rot! f burdens on the general claffes of the people. Sp far. I however, from a tfen, ing to that propafition,he thought the very reverie to he the truth. On account of the particular pretfure of the times, he felt it his ditty to oppoie Any burdens on the people,but Inch as were A fhlu(ely rieeetfary. He did not think it proper,that any additional tevenue thould be allowed to the Prince at the expence of the people, merely on account of the exigency of the times, o inch mutt fall equallyheavy on Moth. H e withed it partienlarly,however, tope andel-- n0...1 A% hi. opinion, at the fame time, that the Prince thoill..l not he dittreffed by any inconveniency of any detetiption: hut the allowance already made, he thoiteht. thificient for every exigency. He could not help thinking, therefore, that there mull exitt C.ine *toile in the diftribution of the public money. The iaterence that was to he drawn from this con. duet of his Maj. Ity's Minilters was, that the Civil Litt was not alequate to the demands that mutt be made on it ; hot this would always be the cafe, he argued, if Knitters were allowed to apply it in what manner might appear to them the belt. The Civil Litt ought, therefore, not at all to exit!, or the pur ples to which it was to he applied, he contended, ought to he particularly fpecified. He could have no objeetion that pei fons in real dilkrefs fhould re ceive from the Civil Lift, but in the prefeut eircomdances of the country no other I eAfon perhaps, could be urged, or at lean ought to be urged, for the diilribution of the public money. When every man knew we were engaged in a war that had no very pofitive objed, and when we knew not when • would be the termination of this war, nor what par ticular circumtiances would lead to its conduit t!.e people, he thought, who molt uhimately boor 11a: weight of this conteß, might n to be fartlo:r burdened by any unneceltity charges. lie Oil not deny that ;finances might occur when pat tar merit might claim a particular reward; but, in this refped, be thought Pailianient had hitherto difcovered no very particular genrr fi y. When he thought of the penfion allowed ti the gallant Lord Nelfon, when he thought of the gratitude Sit S. Smith had experienced, he cold] not help titihkiog that the rewards they had met with were fmal.indeed when compared to thofe rums lavithel on other. who bad no a.ftive duties to fulfil. But there was yet an other article in which Minilters woe very notch to he blamed, from the face of the accounts that now lay before the Houle. He did not fee that Miliitiers had a right to advance to any of the Royal Family any pecuniary grants whatever. Stich visits alone ought to be made by the Houle. 'foe Heir Apparent par. tictlarly, he argued, oitaht not t be dependant on Minilters for the grant ( (any advance or of any rums. The Honourable Baronet then adverted to the pre fent circumstances of thee. um ry. We were engaged, he fail, in rot minetetfary war, Anti of which no tel. minatons could he foreleen ; lie mutt deny, therefore, in the prelim circumitatiees of the country, the grant of the font that was now demanded. What induced him Hill farther to form this relolution was, that however much Minithrs might augment . the Civil Lill, they Rill wilh-d a certain tarn 14 contingencies ; and notwithdanding former ailment itions, they dill were anxious to preleive in their own hands a power of exceeding the allowance. &old they go on in this manner. the Honourable Baronet argued, the er.- ceffes of the Civil Lill would become like the War Contingencies, and Minitters perhaps might think themfelves equally exempted from any particular ac count. If the prelent, he contended, was a moment of preffure and danger, the people ought certainly to be conciliated, and not to be loaded with wanton or unnecelfary expences. But were the refolutions now propofed, he alked, t h e moll likely way to coneillate the people, or to induce them to lithusit patiently to the preffure of circumitances? He would take a future opporamity, he laid, in tome (rage of this bit liners to declare his fentiments more fully. He did not mean, however, to exprefs any hottioty to tax t• tioa in general. On the contrary, lie thought, that wh:re the wealth of a nation was properly and juiii cioofly taxed, inflead of being any Mconvenience, it would referable rather the vapours that are railed (tom the earth, by the operation of the rays of the fun, and that again return in rains and dews, enrich ing and fertilizing the G,il. It was to the abufes of taxation only that he was an enemy, and to their im proper application. The Hon. Baronet here conch,- ded a very eloquent fpeech, and that feemed to make a confiderable imprethion, in again deprecating the idea of calling upon the people to aid the Civil Litt, from any conlideration of the preffure of the times, which mull fall equally heavy on the people them ! (elves, as on thole maintained by the Civil Lift. Sir JOHN NEWPORT wilkal that the account of the expences of the Civil Lilt Ihould he always prelented in fuch a manner, as to feparate the item: for the expence of the Royal Family from the ciher cameo; ; it bad been vulgarly fuppoled that the whole turn voted went to the fupport of the King ; it ; would therefore he right to undeceive the pen; le in this rcipeel, and thew them clearly how much of this turn was applied to national purpofes. • After a few word; (torn Mr. FULLER, the Re• folution was unanimously agreed to. ATMITIONAL NAVY FSTIMAT&S. Mr. W. DICKINSON, in siting to move for a grant of 311,0c01. for additional cipences in the Na• cal Department, did not think it necelfary to trouble the Committee at length. He would merely Rate, that rgo,c-ctsi. of this him was for three °tips, reals from 4. to 63 guns, the rett for (loops, gun velfels, and mortar, thought necetfary for the prefent fer• vice by the Admiralty Board, and purchafed or eon traifted for (ince isth May. Mr. JOHNSTONE withed to know, whether a further funs for the maintenance of feamen would not be requit.:-.1 ? Its March there were 89.000 feamcn, and 12,0:0 marines, in the fervice. It the due pro. portion of the marines was filled up. the whole would be t ts, c. There ss..re then I 04,ccc framers and marines ; the manning of this additional fervice would require a Rill greater number ; he wilbcd to know, whether there was to he an additional co r e Mr. DICK EN:rON !Aid, to conli.!et Able addition f numbers would Ise neceifary fo :IS to req•Orea vote. Vatinus (urns WZIC then voted for l'sfifccilAnenus Se+viccs, the nrn:: :erALie ni Which .-ere, two fulls of To tenet e d;qrsilis in 01 kney And Sheihnsi ; 1..),:._1. And bridges in the liighlAnsk of Sco:Lind ; And, T 8,30 c 1. for torts And colnn , cs on t'.e of .\ftic.t. Mr. ui!ctilet ttia 1.4 a vote in. • eluded Sierra Leone ? (a had lase).—The annver wa•. No. The report was ordered to be recessed to mori ow. On the motion of Sir E. NE['EAN, the timid rending of the Irith Ads:ition+l Defence Bill Mu or dered for to tantrow. WAYS AND PIIVANS, STAMP DUTIPS• The CHANCELLOR of the EX'...7I.IEQIJER moved, that the Hoak do refolee itleit into A Com mittee of Ways and Means. The Houle having gone into the Committee, the Right Honourable Geode man called their attention to the lobjea of the duties on (lamps, It would be recolleaed, :.c obferved, that in the early part of the SelTion, a Right Honourab:e Gentleman (Mr. Addington) had taken credit to himfelf for the manner in which he prapofed to wife the Turn of between 7 and Boz,oool. for paying off the charges on the loan. This he had propofed to da, by creating an additional cu:y on Ramps. Tho' the manner in which that propolal was Rated to the Houk, might have appeared feanble to that Right Honourable Gentleman in theory, he (Mr. Pitt) was well allured it could never he accompidhed. It had been found w clals the feveral duties, and therefore the Right Honourable Gentleman's plan could not be brought forwatd, nor was it likely that the funm proi...fed to be railed, could be railed by the rate of duties which he had dated to the Honfo.—' What he flinuld therefore propofe for the en:Adria tion of the Committee, would he, an increare of the Stamp Outi..s, f mewhat between oric-filth and one f.:urth ct the prefent duties on all the leading articles •of Revenue Stamps, meaning to exempt Parifh Ap prentice Stamps from any further addition to the duty. In the increafeJ duties would be comprehend ed ell law proceedings, civil and ecciellallical, of exchange, notes, transfer of property, money bonds, Sec. Tim& were the molt material. As the debate had been procrallinated to a late hour, lie would not detain the Committee, but deliver in the fchedule, which contained an ample Rats-silent of the various ms;it which fcliedule might be printed, and the Gen tlemen might have an oppo:tunity of viewing and contidering the whole, and upon the bringing up t f the repot t, the dilinflion take place. The Right Hon. Gentleman then in fubilance n.oved the refolutions pro firma. Mr. ADDINGTON obferved that the Right Ho nourable Gentleman mug be aware that what lie had originally propofed embraced three °Neat : first, an augmentation of the duties, next, a claffification of thole duties. and thirdly, the nceeflity of fubjeCting the perfons liable to pay thole ditties to a tazoed val.- rem. Thefe objets, he was of opinion, were &citable to be attained, and with retpeet to the tira, he was happy to find that the amount had produced ntarly enough to cover the charges on the Loan. As to the poffibility of claffing the rates of duties, he was of opinion no confiderable difficulty would arife; but however on that he did not mean to intiil. He ti ußed the Right Honourable Gentleman would turn his at tention to the ad valorem duty, which he was fatisfied would be produCtive of much benefit to the revenue. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was apprehenftve the plan of the Right Honourable Gentleman would be attended with difficult y; he WAS, however, defirous of conlidering whether or not it could be cat ried into &ea. He was not aware how it was pantile to affix the precife rates of taxation, In as to meet the ideas of the Right Annourable Gen tleman, and ultimately benefit time tevenne. After a few oblervations from Mr. STANHOPE who did not cordially agree with the propofed duties, the reinitawns were greed tope/a-ma, it being underfinod they are to be printed. The Houk being refumed, the report was ordered to be received to-morrow. Adjourned. LONDON. TUESDAY. JULY 3. PRICE ON STOCKS TIM DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK Cent'. for 7;--Re:tueed o—Om:lent 4 1 prem. New 3 per Cent. 971—$ per Cent. 71.1:. PRICE OF SEC/CRS YESTERDAY: 3 per Cent. Red. 55i S 6 3 per C.ConflAnn. Int Ter Cent. 7;1 5 prr Cent. Nary flint 3 per Cent.l797 97 911 Lung Ann. 164 9 lb Short Ann. 3 t-t6{ India Haar" 3: a as. dif Excheq. Bal., Is. Is. dif. Impel-ie. 3 per C. S4ll Omniam :}1 prem. Confab for acc. 371 In the Houfe of Commons !all night the Cesa cc ct.ort of the Exc Haulm moved, in a Committee of supply, for an addition .o the Civil Lill. It was, he Paid, rendered unavoidable by the increafed ex pences of Minillersand Ambalfadors to foreign Courts —by the extra expellees of the Royal Houfehuld, and by the increafe of fecret fervice money at the prefent crifis. The //Air arifing IT um thofe caufes fince the ar rears were lain fettled he flared at 391,8.131. 35. told. Mr. Prry reminded the Houle that his MAI E cry, in the early part of his reign, had commuted his here ditary revenues for a Feed fum, by which exchange the Public had been gainers to the amount of One Mi'T.e af:d a ff.y.—Tlie Rcfolutions, as propofed by Mr. Ptrr, were put and carried without a divition. A Gentleman jolt arrived from France, reports, that from the improper ronaruftion of the gun-boats and their flit bottoms, they are very unfit for 1114,i -gar;on. They roll fit quick that the guns are dif. mounted. At fume place on the Coaft, in conk. quence of the wind and fwell, fercral of them were lately is danger of being loft ; the guns got loofe, and they Chipped water en both fide•. We have received .ILiii!rurr to the 13d, and Dutch Journals to the 26tb ult. inclufive, but ti:ey contain no news of importance. It appears that Bo WAS ahfc-t from St. Cloud only 36 hours. He returned thither from Compiegne on the ,9th. iloniieur of the 2011 enntains the follou'oz note upon a paiagt tph vi.ieh has appear d i. ti.e Englidt Nest fpartert.i.atii.7, that the 'hj-•ft of MetTr<. Fcx and Glt I 'eV v..;, to : :r. PITT vrslocnmmuai (-VC to him I .me propositions that had been made by Mr. LiviNns TOM, relative to France:— " This aircrtion is deititute of plubstAitr. The _ Engin Government alight 'verity" finis aITT Itunri traveller the inform ttion which it is pretended has been obtained 1.111 Mr. Laverior rots r the rep• irt ah ch has ba rn citculated, that tltis•Miniflet Was ch.trged a lilt any ovettures;diten 1.6 indite.% on the part of the French Government, being utterly dear cute of foundation. All Europe knows, that Franca hat aiw•ays aithed for peace, and that war has been made against its, in order to plunder our cursmerce. and tinder pretence, at once filfe, faivult,tas, and di:ulons." The pret of June 21 Pays—" It is thought that the Emperor will go to Fontaii.bleau at the end of the neck. Duting his flay at Compiegne, he tellified to General BAaacuAy d'Hissicas, and the Com manders of the regiments of dragoons, the fetisfac. tion he felt at the excellence of their manoeuvres, both on horfeback and on foot!' The Mu:lieut.. of the 22d Pays, "At this moment wotks arc preparing at the Bold des Amadei, which it is thought arc preparatory to the coronation.— That ceremony, however, it is believed, is deferred till the month of Vendemiaire. It is alto Paid that the Members of the Legiflative Body, and of the dif ferent Conflituted Authorities, who are dißinguifhed by particular dreffes, will wear on that day embroi dered mantles." There juurnakprefent nothing refpe&ing the fl.tte prifoners. The Members of the Senate, and of the Council of Statc, are appointed Commandants in the Legion of Honour. The ICING of NAPLIS, according to the Dutch Pipers, has at laft agreed to evacuate Isis &mules. to be occupied by French troops. It is hated that Lord Hutson has fent a fquadron to Corfu, to net in concert with the RufGAn He fill maintains the blockade of Toulon. Difpatches were yeflerday received from Sir 5. Boa case WARREN, at Peterfburgh, which are laid to be of a very important na:ure. It is laid that of Ruffian drips, full of troops, have arrived at Corfu. Difpatches from Admiral Cnattwacus were re ceived cn Saturday, at the Admiralty ; as alfo dil parches from Admiral COCHRAN' off Ferrol, which were forwarded to Lord MaLVILLa at Wimbledon. The Corn Bill now before Parliament camas, that the importation of corn Chalk, for the future, be re gulated by the average price of the whole of the Maritime Didriels ; and that if the ge of any • diftrid be below that of the whole, no imputtation (hall take place in that particular ditltid. The bounties and duties to be regulated by the fchedules annexed to the Ad. The following rails have been hired into Go vernment fervier, and the relpeEtive Officers, whole names Are of are appointed to command deem: The Lord. Nada, - ceps. mums.. Aurlra, - %V sires. A. Mitchell, SALT. A rildne, SLADIL DIADDTI. PIKICLY. The following flonpb have keen ordered into cm. minion at Prnifttv,iith i riz. Helton, Urns. Spy, and EVGIFNIN. CIrIditISEDUCUMIS, RICHARDSON, Wass, and Bustler, ate appointed to the feveral commandit. FALMnUTH, Pros 3e.—Sailed the Walfinghaet packet, Captain Runlets, with mails for lolboo.-.. Wind E. PLYMOUTH, JULY T.—Orders came down to day to inha in the Royal Marine Corps here any Swifts faitors or foldiers who have been preffed into the French service, or detained as French prifoners on board the piiron fhips here. Several. Swifs, of the news being fent on board, cheerfully entered. Sailed the MT lAHte, of 74 guns. Captain P. C. DURHAM, to the Eallwatd. Came in from a cruize the PLOVER, of 18 guns, Captain HANCOCK, and two revenue cutters. This forenoon twenty bullocks and vegetables were (hipped on board the Sae Jour, of to guns. Vice-AdTniT2l COTTON, and the FOUDROY• •11. r. of 84 guns, Captain Poo cr, both of which will fail tomorrow, to join the fleet off Brea. PORTSMOUTH, JULY 2.—This morning arrived the Scot/mot 'loop a war, Captain WOOLDRIDGE, with the Alexander, and Mangles Eall Indiamen, horn the Downs. Sailed the Ft sc l/ARD, of 44 guns, Captain Lord Matta Klatt, for the .Mediterranean, with four Chips under convoy ; and the Mfic.aaa, of t 6 guns, Captain Dt•sr, with a convoy for the Downs.t. Lord GARLIC: commiffioned the Ajax; of 8o guns, this 'owning. DEAL, JULY 2.—Remain in the Downs, his Ma jelly's fhips. the armed defence (hips, and the copper ed armed transports as per halt. Wind E. N. E. STIII4RHISI, JULY 2.—Arrived his Majefly's lhip GLORY from Chatham, andhis gone to the Nore ;- the will be ['aid to-morrow. The AMIAILI has alto arrived to be refitted, in confeeptcnce of the damage the fullained in her late engagement off Boulogne.— The loarcoavacits is taken out of Dock ; and the Vssovivs bomb veffel is taken in ; as is alto the STARLING gun btig. Arrived and came into harbour yette tdo , the SIR SIDN TY SMITH fchooner ItOM Dn. vet- : ;I'M the Goodwill lighter with a cargo of boats from Deal, for the Drck Yard. The VLIITER has to her (lotion off Margate ; and the &rasa gun brig to the Downs. YAIMOUTH, Joey 2.—Yeflerday afternoon the Vctrusa armed !Lip and a curer, with the fleet un der convoy for :he Baltic. failed from there toads and were joMed by three fail of veiTels front this port ; at the bone time the ilv.irsß YeTer.U: critter, belonging to 11,:s plac,, failed for the Humber to convoy (Itch vafcls x, Ale ready there fir the B 'hie. A r ived 'he Ar. ir AIN 6 frigat•, Captain MARRY. and S. r e eon b i , g , ..vith fourteen Dutch fishing veffels, and remain with he WNW , or,, of 64 g'lns, and the CON,T•AT gin br , 7.—Wird E. S. E. G4AVL•tNeo. ji.Lv I.—Pafird by the Vonorla. ratfult. Punt Alicant N..rtl.a, Sophia, 1.1r.d; too Maris. SaRl444. tuu; Luna funtfon; rtiui %, Charl•nn; sr.! Tart Norbert. 14 rw.:•:. i r.m Norway; 101111 1 lisaM A, Stah..l . . 'pm, Cat w,:k ; ' :acr a, Pink; f&rre Brothers j , u,ea, andthr four &IF t 1ubden......5at1,4 the San SAIVAort, h e 11 ,clta, far :.ttetftuty,'.; ikrtcr l act Salk ram tna••• Cnoilttaa,n; Charlottc W.lhrln Dinar. he Lep 0,1• It r,V.V.I Aurora, Pat; ;Lir (at:an/eras, *alma. sod Twit Luitmleo. ••• g 1 I a r- re Jr ip If ; I t i