Star. — London, England, 1811-01-22 00:00:00

_ _....... / r. quanta know their own amendments, be calesi upon tbelt igl4llOneutable Gentleman who brought forward ,flanaanthdraent of this night, whe ther in the enefinit*OilLthe.fiill he was aware of the amencinesetkrsins 9lOt iiieposed ? The Right Honourable eirftleryiatt, a kind of second sight, took the hint 'front arguments urged by an Honour able Gentleman on the floor, and formed his amend ment upon them. But where those arguments were found, as the Honourable Member had denied having ever used them in the House, it was for the Right Honourable Gentleman to explain. But now that he bad heard the arguments of that Hon. Member that night, he doubted much whether the Right Hon. Gen tlemat might not fairly question the propriety of his amendment. It *as a difficult - task to frame the Bill not only to meet the different opinions which different Members might entertain of it, but the different opi nions of the same persons. The Honourable Member for Hertfordshire (Mr. Brand) had .put a ease of a Minister so managing his minority as to carry a par-- ticular resolution to be presented to the Prince, and then to manage his majority, as to rescind that reso lution. The Honourable Member could not, however, have stated that to be his case, because he had brought in resolutions much more restrictive than those agreed to ; and it was not till his own were rejected, that the resolutions actually carried were put upon him. The Honourable Gentleman, therefore, would, he was sure, acquit him of having laid so deep a plan for the attainment of his object. But he was ready to contend, that there was nothing in the Bill contra dictory to the Resolution. When the Resolution was first proposed, the objections to it were two-fold; I one, that of most weight was, that it would give too 'much influence to the Queen, an objection which he ht rid of by taking away the power of removal, and ereby doing away all the political influence. The only power of appointment then left was in case of vacancy by death. He had consented to this sacrifice in compliance with what he considered the prevailing sentiment of the House. This, he confesed, took considerable weight from the principle upSh which the Resolution was founded ; but as the time was li.l mited, he considered that the mischief in principle would be practically done away. The great basis of their whole proceeding was, to provide for a short i time, and not to break in upon any established rule, where it could be avoided. And here he incurred the censure of his Right Honourable Friend (Mr. Can sting), for not making the provision permanent.--- __ ,without meaning any disrespect to his Right Ikesourable Friend, it appeared to him monstrous, that the House, in providing for the maintenance of his Majesty's dignity now when they had a sanguine expectation that his illness would be of a , eery short duration, should arrange the proportion of the Household to be given to her Majesty, in the same manner as if his Majesty's calamity was to last the whole of his natural lite. It would certainly be the better mode to make an arrangement that would meet both eases; but that was impossible. If his Ma jesty were to recover within six weeks, or three months, or. even six months, would any Honourable Membcr wish to strip him of his, Household to the same ex tent as if no hopes were entertained of his meovery ? His Right Hon. Friend had called upon them to state, why they did got propose to make now a permanent provision for the arrangement of the Household? The answer was, that their measure was to provide only for a twelve month, and that what hereafter might be necessary, should be done at the expiration of that period. His Hon. and Learned Friend who had just sat down, had commented rather severely upon him for having adverted to what might be the feelings of his Malestyon his convalescence, in case he should finds' Regency established. He had undoubtedly on one oc casion alluded to what those feelings might be in such arvevent, and he still retained the same impression. But, however he may lament the effect that might possibly be the consequence, a sense to the public duty, and a ' regard to the public interests had compelled him to bring forward the measures for establishing a Re s ency. In the former instance, there was no press. mg necessity for the measure, and he was conse ciuently justified in abstaining from it, in considera tion of the effgct it might have on his Majesty's feel ing', and consequently in retarding his recovery.— But if the urgency of public interests compelled him rime. to bring Onward this measure, wan that a rea son why be was not to take into his consideration what may be his Majesty's feelings in all parts of tleguestion where the same necessity did not exist as tO the Household? In one case he could not avoid pro. tattling, in the other he could avoid it; and wherever be could he ought to avoid it. This was his view of the case, Hewes aware it had beentirged asdiscredit elale to his Majesty'sinintl, if, on his recovery,be could be affected by the removal of the Gentlemen of his &detain*, and not by the management of his fleets and armies, -Bet was that a fair whip of putting the case ? Was it not necessary to commit the manage r/pet of the fleets and armies to another ? Was it necessary to hand over the controul of the Lords of tle Bed-chamber ? But could any thing be more af, Bitting to a person suffering under this peculiar ma lady as 4 wound to his dignity ? The proposition of the Right Honourable Gentleman went to take away at once one-half of the Gentlemen of the Bed-cham ber, en 4 sic-week's illness, Besides, it would consign tpher Majesty the painful task of fixing upon that part that was to be taken away. The preposition was, not that the sin senior or sir junior lords were to be remov ed, but that six were to remain, and that her Ma jesty was to hoe'. the pleasurable task of selecting th e m., and 4leo such other parts of the Household as she might tivivik necessary ; and all this under imprecsiewkin - ,shat House, that her influence was &meow! and that the larger proportion of the iiiiilaisheldteaughe to belong to the Prince, and the Waller to the Queen, whilst the Queen would be left to, owe out the portion for herself. Nothing could Offeetl his Majesty, or wound Ills feelings more than le Aad.oio House.hold dismembered, The pencil of sire Painter, and pen of the Poet, have been happily I flPinloYed in pourtraying the agonies endured by 4. 1 i lleietrioos sufferers, under the impression of wounded l elignity. They had seen, how Richard, sulTeritrg with ,petience all his reverses, bitterly felt the inaiiinlty of. fared tp Lim in pr son ; they couldcall to mood, too, as 1)04;v -dyed- b} Le master-pen of Shakspe4te, the agiaege of Qgeeii C tharine l when exposed to the ia• suiting want of the respect due to her -exalted rank, ne would wish to • gar 04 representation given in the - - that d a passage fsons the 'monody on the death iairick, ending with the lines, " Go, and on real misery bestow " The best effusions of fictitious woe He would entreat Gentlemen to bear in mind what would be the effect, in doe case of a private indivi: ,e dual, of breaking down a whole establishment ; and by what each might be supposed to feel in such a case to judge what would be the feelings of his Majesty With respect to what had fallen from his Right Ho nonrable Friend, as to the clause being unintelligible, he should only say, that 26 his Right Hon. Friend had admitted, that he deduced something substantive from its a ffi rmations and negations, he h ad saved him much trouble. On the whole he should observe, that the exceptions pointed out what was not to be given to the Queen, that the clause was perfectly intelligi ble; and, as it had nothing unconstitutional in it, should' be supported by him against the amendment of the Right Hon. Gentleman. Mr, TIERNEY did not mean to trespass at any lcngt upon the time of the House ; but after the ex traordinary speech which they had just heard, he felt it necessary to say a few words. The whole of the Right Hon. Gentleman's speech consisted of an ap peal to the passions—an appeal quite unnecessary in that House. The Right Hon. Gentleman need not have quoted the lines of his Right Hon. Friend, or adverted to the magic pen of Shakespeare ; all that it was necessary for him to say was, that a beloved Sovereign was labouring under this heavy calamity to interest the feelings of every man present ; all that he had said beyond that was intended to draw the House from the question. He hadiexpected that the' Right Honourable Gentleman would have shewn that the Bill had not departed from the Resolutions-- that the Prince of Wales, if the Bill should pass, would know what part of the Household was to be under his centroul. But in this the Right Honourable Gentle. man had complftely failed. If ever any man had contrived by_dexterons shifting to evade a question, the Right Hon. Gentleman had done so. But in all that applied really to the subject under discussion, the Right Hon. Gentleman had been completely ah swered by his Hon. and Learned Friend (Sir S. Roe milly). The Resolution stated that only such p. tion of the Household as should be necessary for the personal comfort of his Majesty, should be given to the Queen. It was impossible that the Prince, after receiving such a Resolution, could suppose that the Home should be discussing what part of the Household would be necessary for the maintenance of the splendour and comfort of the King. On thatground there could be no question, every Gentleman would be ready to vote whatever portion of it her Majesty might think necessary. The Right Hon. Gentleman had said, that he had endeavoured to colleceerhat might be the sentiments of others upon this point. If se, he failed altogether. The Noble Lord (Castle- reach) was to nekative the clause, and the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Canning) proposed onlY to retain the two or three first lines. So that in fact, whilst pretending to meet the wishes of others, the Right Hon. Gentleman had contrived to carry into effect only his own. He would admit, that in abridging the influence of the Queen, the Right Hon. Gentleman had removed a considerable part of the dejection, supposing, what he could never bring him self even to suspect, the Queen to be capable of employ. ing her power to procure political influence. But what was all this to the Regent ? Not to the Regent him. self, but as exercising in the name and on behalf of his Majesty the Royal Functions ? Was he to be deputed to execute the office of King stripped of its state and splendour ? But, said the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Regent will have a chamberlain. Yes, a chamberlain di. vested of his powers and patronage,a ' , man of Straw," having no more power or influence than the white wand in his hand. Then, again, the Right Hon. Gentleman said, no Lord Chamberlain is to - be appointed. Why not ? why was all this done? Was there a man in that House that did not feel and know, that it was done for political purposes. The Lord Chamberlain had enor mous patronage ; by the statement of his Right Ho nourable Friend, he could appoint to several offices connected with that House, which were not likely to , become vacant, but there might be an office in the other House at his disposal. Did the Right Honour-1 able Gentleman think he was consulting the feelings of the King, now that Lord Dartmouth, who was personally agreeable to him, was removed by death, to give to the Vice-Chamberlain all the patronage of that office, a patronage which the King would never have thought of bestowing upon him. He could not persuade himself that the thing was done for any other than a political purpose. He could not believe that her Majesty would enter into conversation with any of her Council upon such a subject. But then her Council was composed of'politicians, and was it not likely that the Vice•Chamberlain e would consult Lord Eldon, or some other of tha C.oirucil, as to the dis. posal of his patronage ? The whole was a scheme of political power, as had been well =pressed by a Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr e Canning) cal culated to set the Executive Power at war with his Palace. The Right Hon. Gentleman had been rather Severe upon his Right Honourable Friend, for endea, vouring to render his amendment palatable to the ' House,_and for having with that vie* changed it a little. But did the Right Honourable Gentleman veer 'do any such thing ? or was he to have.a mono poly of the privilege of altering a proposition to mike it more acceptable to the House..-were they not to grow wiser by experience, or to acquire knowledge as they grew older ? for that would be the effect of his objection. But the Right Honourable Gentle. man asked what a situation would the Queen be placed in if she were to be obliged to choose her portion of the Household ? For himself he should say, That he would not vote for any proposition, it it were to im. pose any-disagreeable office on her Majesty. All that was asked by the amendmennt was, that six Lord; of the Bedchamber should be enough. In another clause of the Bill, 41000 per month was to be placed at her Majesty's disposal, to be distributedip the same manner as she might suppose his Majear would have dune. It might as well be said, that this was to impose upon her Majesty the of selection. He could not believe advisers of his Royal Highness we itiin to remove any of the servants But, after all, lac did not think she contest. If it was satisfactory to • hieiV:bari loiew in. 4= 4 1011111111111011111 thatOmest, were never, 4firem oat Without meaning a were impressed with than, i cessity l ledOpuutieg Govelitment, and never gave any Admini • them. It was the same withlnany House with respect to the feeling of surge& Government; otherwise if they , stuck fast,there be nogeing on afters change. The pa trenage of the Lord Chamberlain, Lord Steward, and Master of the Horse, was a part of the Executive in fluence. If it be taken from the Regent, the question was, whether he would represent the King ? Without this patronage, the monarchical would be overborne by the democratical part of our Constitution. If the Right Honourable Gentleman was not actuated by distrust for the Prince, why not provide for him in the same manner as for the Queen ? But it had been argued by the Right Honourable Gentleman, that his Majesty on waking might turn his thoughts to his former habits, and on finding that his Master of the Buckhounds had been removed, be in danger of a relapse. lithe Right Honourable Gentleman should think of restoring his Majesty to his office under such circumstances, he would be guilty ef a crime. He should do all in his power to seothe - his cares and render his pil low comfortable, bu t he must not, from a respect for such feelings, forego his public duty. If his Majesty should have a certificate properly given ofhisrecovery from the physicians, the only feelings he would be sensible of would be those for the welfare of his subjects, and would be consistent with the whole tenonr of 'Ms life. If they were to appoint a substitute for the Mouarclk, he ought to have the trappings of royalty. Uport the whole he should call upon the House not to try an experiment by refusing confidence to a Prince of Wales to whom their allegiance would soon be due. If they should do "so, when George IV. should make a Peer, it might be said, we knew him before arid did not trust him ; and it is our own fault that we did not tie him up when we had him in our power. They had to appoint a mpresentativeof the King,and should not be biassed by any political view whatever. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained. The gallery was then cleared. The House then divided, For the amendment 190—Against it '212-- Majority for Ministers 22. Before stranger.. were re.admitted into the gallery. a Report was brought in from the Secret Committee appointed to enquire into the expenditure of the Privy Purse. In consequence of the Report, it became ne cessary to introduce some new clauses into the Bill, which was re-committed for that purpose. On our re-admission to the gallery, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was introducing his first clause, which was to direct the Lord High Treasurer to issue certain aunts for the payment of the Officers of the Household; which clause was agreed to without a division. The second required the Lord Keeper of the Privy Parse to take an oath every year betore one of the, Barons of the Folchequer, that no part of the said an nual sum of 460,000 should be applied in any pay ments to any Member of that Fjouse. This clause was also agreed to. The Bill, so amended, was then reported to the House. Mr. WHITBREAD moved, that instead of the words U assisting his Majesty," should be inserted the words, " providing for the exercise of the Royal Authority." He thought it was absurd to speak of assisting his Majesty in the Government at the present time. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the Bill went throughout on the idea of as sisting his Majesty in the Government, which was to be carried on in his name. He therefore could not agree to the amendment. The proposed amendment was then negatived. Mr. WHITBREAD then proposed as an amend ment, that before the words " resumption of the Royal authority," the word " eventual" should be inserted., This amendment was also negatived. „, 1 Mr. WHITBREAD also moved, that the wold " mental" shouldbeinserted before the word "health," which was also negatived. Lord CASTLEREAGH then proposed a clause. The object of it being to vest in the Regent the ap pointment of the Household and Officers necessary , the state and dignity of the Otfice, the same as en -1 joyed by the Monarch. The clause was negatived. • Mr. CANNING then moved a similar clause to the one proposed on Thursday, which was also ne gatived. Tboi whigligof the Amendments having been gone it *as ordered that the bill be read a third how (this day) if then engrossed. The RAMGene o'clock this morning adjourned. THE EVENING STAR. LONDON. TUESDAY, JANUARY 22. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. per Coot. Cons. money, 654 66—aec.161. Reduced 6644-4 per Cent. • S per Con. Navy 981 99—Esch. Bins 4s. Is. prem. Banda, 265. 275. prem.—Osmium 44 dis. 14 WINDSOR CASTLE, JANUARY .21. His MAJISTY appears to be in a favourable gate this morning." (Signed as usual.) 41 WINDSOR CASYLR I JAWITARY 22, 1811. vs His MAJESTY is -quite as well this morning as be was yesterday." (Signed as usual.) Lord ELDON has made it known, that it is his intcn. tion to be admitted to his MA.rarry'a presence oa Thursday next, unless the physicians shall pronounce it to be improper ; that he may, from his own, obser vation, be epabled to state to the House of Lords, on Friday, the expectations that there may be of the Ewald speedy recovery ; and that be will again see his MAJESTY before he puts the Great seal to the Commissica for passing the Bill, Lewd r 4 Lord qiiinr We are concerned to observe a spirit of party per. Tading the columns of many of the Daily Newspapers, r eibich cannot but prove injuriotts to the general into. rests of the country. To pretend to anticipate what line cif.pulitiet may be punned by any new Admini. stration is absolute folly, and betrays great ignorance of the history of nations,' and particularly of that of our own country. Ministers, whoever they may be, 'have in general much less choice of measures thin most common readers can possibly imagine. They arerx posed to the effectsof innumerable unforeseen can. ngen cies, wh ch2ften leave no choice but of difficulties, nor can any system be suddenly changed ; though it is equally true that no system can be invariably per. sued, Enik must be continually changing in particular parts of the detail; according to circumstances. The Adelaide cartel has saved from Dartmouth for Morlais, with an American Messenger on boar& We received Flitch papers to the ed instant this morning. They - gin, among other articles of Decree by Duke • rely that. iy French troops, the number - of 6000 infantry, and 2000 cavalry, .tad proceeded to Ponte de Mrcella four leagues from Coimbra, on the Southern shore o f Montego. It seems that the Portuguese Militia were in no eon. dition to prevent the junction of this fuslbcpeittiorce. ment with the at-my of Matamma.-. .04.- • The following is an extract of a letegilrOm a pit. vate Correspondent in the North-western extremity of Spain, giving some details of the discovery of a con. ,piracy in Gallicia, very hostile to that spirit of unani. mity upon which tim deliverance of Spain mum bne tirely depend t CORUNNAJRC a g 4. " A • _ • , • here of a most The int ""gwn temserder the Palk Ailibuk rhos,, to .- et the Genes, and tw forma et the head of we* were to he • • the " Some suspicious fedi atsvetvd, end on them base been found paper and •le which it is stated, that In the districts of 01111111 only, these wer e awe than SWAN men its arms. prepared to support and ecconleildi this defer*, Revolution. " It is reported tiat_ the projectors of this Maks are persons of rank , and "are , siim'ovris; and that they wereamemg the meet violent alarmists at the tit= of the expulsion - tit the /tench from this part of the country. • it will appear estroordinar, that a predate which her. nee yet sent 10,0 no men Imo the a q u, can supply 30,000 for the per• poses of mischief and dime." The letter adds. • In Asturias very little proves bee been mad., beanie the enemy is perfectly acquainted with the military stations of the „country, and be has a considsrobleforce in that principality." We have an additionll Gazette from Cadiz, the Diaries Mercantil, of the 29d ult. with some remarks nn the Cortes, dictated in the same spirit with those .we have already extracted from the Tertrilia. By the same opportunity we have a letter, containing the tot / lowing paragraph The Regency here was offered to the tiritish Govermaeot, to admit it to enjoy a free trade with the Spanish Colonies of South Amerisa, on co.idition of the payment by instalments, of fifty millions of dollars, or about 4.12,5n0,00n sterling, it is =deer stood that this proposal had been rejected, on the 'mod that the Regency beano longer any controal over those Settlements Direct accounts have at length been received from Norway, on the-subject of the late revolts on the part of the seamen and soldiers when required to serve in France. Meetings were held, and resolutions voted to the King of DtsittAßK, expressive of their loyalty and attachment to his Throne anti Government, but stating, in strong language, that no coercion should ,compel them to fight the battles of other nations, —After Mine consideration, an answer was return ' ed, with a full assurance that their services to France should be dispensed with; but, at the same time, they were required to embark on board of Danish ships at Copenhagen ; whither many of the seamen were about to- repair. There is, therefore, we fear, st reason to suspect, that treachery may supply th r e m ptce of force, in giving effect to 4orimurierres in tention. The following extract of a letter from M. SWITN to General Amiss - Sono, dated the Sid November, 1810, is important is explaining the circumstances attend/ ing the American Proclamation t 4 Yon will, haereces, let the French Government understand that this Proclaimed= km been Issued on the ground, that the repeal of their Decrees don incleole an eringuishmeet of ad dito Edicts of Prance acres* faveisks our neatr.il rights, and thee the reservatiois siderebe'empfeeelso " it being understood," see not conditions probedibt Whet* the opera) ion of the repe i ri mad en the maned abe t that the United onuses are not pled avian the blockade of Great Britain, beyond what is eithibit In my leiter to roe of the sth July It tot° be remarked, mare. over, that in issuing the Proclamation it has been presumed tiles the requisition contained in that letters on the anbject of the up geostrated property, will have beep sat.sfled; this presumption is not only favoured by the natural connection of the policy nod justice of a reversal of that selemstration with the repeal of Um Decrees, but is strengthened by ecoeserent accounts threesh diferTnt channels, that nab property pa essil Iseen seluestend has l'aractually restorei t lDeyanownt of State, Noy 4.4" PLYNIOUT/i, ;ANLIARY vD Arrived the Mtn a aro frigate capes* /lawsuit., from Ports. mouth, to which place she conveyed * Batsman whip airure4 some time since. Also arrived, the Twirma schoome (ruin Portsmouth, and the Barraionia hired cutter troin 8011 y— . up harbour tcribe decked, the p f aorraot mil 74 guns. The gasp tavou iitAted artned.brig soiled tookirght, With a small convoy for Orontes, 'but pot back again thitmornieg. PORTSMOUTH, JANUARY ill. Arrtved his Majestylships Dar=e Net mid Gloss PO P rt A from the Eastward, and the 1 . 14 we ir , na at maim Caine thus bour, his fidakonfo Adis RAI “1101..—Wind S.E. , he di sagreeablp task . Yestesdat Lord Gaitsvmul and Lord gity had me that any the so audience a the Palace of Wits, at Carleton rould recommend to nts of i hn mouse, from one o'elock to three, At thli meet i ng , the ere arrangements for all the principal arrangemen ior the thli t s ire tg c ig i tc *. the Hogs, th at , sew 4chnisiviitiOn were settled, bgt nos s word has • morning. They contain, among other articles of ml. nor importance, a long Decree by the Duke of PLAYS. ANCE, Governor of }Tolland, relating to the future collection of the revenue ip, that devoted country...-. The details which this document embraces cannot be interesting to an English reader. An article from Constantinople states, that thi Turks haye o pet - with a series of disasters on the Danube, but that in Egypt they have been successful in keeping the rebel Beys in subjection. Letters were yesterday received from Oporto, to the date of the Sd instant. It appears that, by the road of Celerico and Viseu,_a body of French troops, 11114.1 H. On the 19th instant, the Lady of Captain Stoma, ef the Red- ' ford Regim , nt. at Mount Plea4ant, 1 , ..ai ei a dauehter. • 1.14.13. I 1 On Saturday rattling, the i 9,11 inst. it his house in Blooms- hur y' s l 4 a r l i t t4flifd On?ntinnolrr, 11sti. hi the 77tti Tear of his age. I In Sloane-urees, John PetteelL„ E.q , of the Navy ray Office. 1.1.)N1101•4 . 0111 trin94,494.pah11/ KIJNT, at the ecl STrutittolth Temple4a• 11116 1, Capri trot. I