Star. — London, England, 1816-02-16 00:00:00

y._ "r" . trod • -. . . a;it• coul d it laslinttl*ed on , the mound . -,w VW' 1 ew aid of a very di ff erent *- ; t g which he eonditct of the see of Reme, e , that 4 ,_ i r - ,,,,rtical influence of a dangsfrosta, it lig", P : :o r -- t resisted.l .It nose from a . well. yl i p ii , n "-- : that the foreign erenen ,,,on. powers ro a l so menaced the security . 1410t4P4 otestants had °un-' that no s try, He could) ho wever, now assure "row • Lic h consequences . were to be ~..,_,, ,flu"", % d a wn Ames -that no intention now ex. Oed-',lll---0 - t of any European State to menace, 1 1 '2, ; ' -- o (a l t e )y country ; and that there never was Priv : ben - .different r eligions wereleti enalstOed h e present. He could assure each other than t th a t, the Congress. of it t enna•noi the P° Mei - at r e eling existed on the part of a ny of 1 00 t he subject of religion; and he was t n ot •tz mild* so - fatal to the world dui ' - •1111 - e rival of those struegles that o . oo .ent a l) a c . osed . con re tests between . Catholika And Pot to state exactly . teaate,"l44 I I : was not in his r• - , in a certain part 41 Fiance, hut be I it wood all sa d i n n othing. •He grea tly la. , a - - ,h a s t here ever should have been any interfre ' - A: part o f the Protestants of this country in 14.- s shichhad occurred in France I and still 1 11 1 01 .: at any i m putation should be thrown out 0 w--- - o f France '(that most benevo. the 80 ,, ere igss. t w ig . he. would call him)---.(heee, kat)._ ~0 000, :tioa of his havin g countenanced the -cos ' I uestion. People m this country bad -..• in ' c i citation against that'Sorereign, ai .- -t , a ,„ ° i re l ea ) ll t h e arenas of toleration which 4.4ll ',..aateue.' ' . .: never "was' there a greater error ,yet which was called a persecution . of . snce was only "a local evil, W i c k' ~0180 min f r „ --- f or si years, and that only in t r ona" is .arrieratlisnlirc-t of Fran ce ; and be really be, .' 'wh a t throughout that district there was but one „,„,.. ta t he subject of English interference, which ' - from being useful , it operated as a to m i t tlia4 s; lar the pers o n s intended to be relieved. r. ac e was con fi ned to one particular dis ond tie, . oe l v hhourtng districts had ,no concern • i a t . Nothnig, therefore, could hoe sur d him 'mote than to hear it *twined as a fame t ytcpstants bad been persecuted, and gun ..the, ar ch fns in fault. On the whole, he concsoved giothing could be more mischievouithan the mo lberifereace which took place. The Honourable a ;Wean bad deduc ed an . argument in favour of I.tttstian from the conduct heretofore pursued re. mig. the Slave Trade ; but the cue was wholly That interference arose not alone out of a a lining, but out of political and national inte al. per we had abolished the trade, it must ea ticeseur interest to see it abolished by all other Mettin.' It was not, therefore, an improper inter. laefp with Spain to discuss a great question of ge. getialicywhich we conceived ought to prevail in count. He conceived that the abolition might to sieseral ell over the world. A recommendation i :t ai t e l e ct was Do interference in the interne: con *All other nations. Therefore he trusted the G e ntleman would see that the particu ole bad referred to bore no analogy so that F Miume ilia' be wend to establish ; that they were fouA. id onarfiferest principle from what he would rest it, sr that slay mould have results very different app what be wished fut..-- He would not admit Imy interference which. was calculated •to de. • •• ; a.Soveteign..by rePreeenties Wm as enrwrpd a tyrant. He would matron push people so far as to recommend an interference• Ibis br4 aas Amicable manner. • It was rather' eivittlisonery made by the Honourable Gentle-, Irks be called the . late Government in Spain. • ....• Costes. In what instance, he asked, wait Strembly allied .to the British Governtnent 1..., whatever die Government might be, we had no 10 kitarfere in its internal concerns. He could the House, that his Majesty's Government bad Ilea wanting in its circlets to produce a better of things in Spain. Broad as had been - the dif •- between us and the Cones, these had not pre. .Miaiiters from interfering in belt& of its •• . Every thing that could be done was . lean amicable manner; but it would be highly • • to do any 'thing in the way now proposed. ay fault could be found with our Government. • &chairing gone beyond the line of its duty in respect. It must be recollected that the Cqua. af AIM country had never been identified with tithe Cortes of Spain, so far as SasOnake us re' • It for their conduct. So far from our having an/influence on the Cones or Regency of:Spatn, liarquipof Wellesley was never able to bring the . - yto adopt such measures as were necessary to Lord Wellington to carry his plans into . Before he established his. lines of defence at Vedns, an application was made for establish 'fashion in Spain, and Lord Wellington asked be awed to have postemsion of Cadiz ; and the - whose acts we were now. told • had been our' refused to allow the Duke of Wellington to take Odom . It was contrary to all historical faets to that she British Government had any influence the Government of Spain. It was an admirable .. le mankind to know, that the Cones did try to their country by levelling all the ancient orders, ' irkinctions of Spain. and by constituting unix Amenably in the country. It was this yet y con. 01i the part of the Cortes that gave rise to all the . •s of Spain, and produced the contrary ;and . 1 4 reaction on The part of the Monarch. The:r .... was similar to th a t of the Jacobins in France, • • ng that sovereignty rested io the people alone. Aiwtish authatitieshad triedto withdraw fromahe of Wellington the powers they had granted him, which were necessary for the satety of the country: the Duke of Wellington was at last driven to the •• , of declaring, that if the powers he required • withdrawn, he would rather withdraw from and contend aglinst France with the lisitish .....' I alone , and the vote law giving him full powers - 7. carried in the C ortex , by a vet y small mareitY i : 44 very Likrales, whose cause the Honourable leitletnan now pleaded, were id the minority on. L._ nceasinn. Indeed it was not on the Leberales. 7on the ancient Nobility, end on the old Spanish. `ac ter that Great B r i ta i n could ever rely for co. 'iteration. Sir H. Wollesley hair done .every Ain*, lbe Noble Lord cou ld assure t h e H o u se , fur the came 4 4. ce . patriots and for the establishment of their Con -144‘46 the Honourable Member had dWelt at' stable le ng th upon the quantity .of British Mlle II 411. 8 1 . 1 1 Op% 1 VII tiai t b e . loft . *••T) t12:.1; 'M odic i tkit 1 IN riiii 1141 WTI 7:-.41 rL:;A money ' drat . had' 4181.4 eriiPhiYid In, mini. Si trantactiaos ; but-he eiiiild confident 4 initial that what . he had edited on that head was eironenttai and lie . Mutt heie been Misinformed Upon the subject. The only sum of Mosey that he rec.llected as basing been tianunived 'to the Spanish Government, vias' 4000 . dollars between April and-December, .1814. — Beery. exertion lead been used, both nn the part of this Government and of Ferdinand VII. himself, to giVe a free Government but OM a particular one to the country. As to the assertion that British Officers, had hern employed fur the establishment of Ferdi-' nand nn his thrpne, Ile believed# that the great man. wh-sename Must be ever famou s in the annals of hie country, bad engaged in the Cause because he had pledged lis . assistance. and he knew that what ler.' vices he had .afforded were given to his Men &rad saptage, both as regarded his pritrate affairs and the ,Adv•oicement of his public interest. That the. Noble Doke had no interested views in the concerns of Spain w.s well known. fur there had been a declaration pub lished to that effect, .Tire Monarch bad been des cribed as coming amongst his faithful people to act o'er again the deceithil and tyrannical game of Bo naparteA but he dietied the assertion ; he denied every accusation of auch.having . been the intention of Fer dinand Vf I. I he denied thatsuth had ever beeninia gined •by Government to have been his intention.— With respect' to the Treaty of Valencia, by which be bad acknowledged to . stippoit and preserve the power of the (twtes, he koew that Ferdinand was compel. led to subscribe to that declaration ; and to 'hew that. he was not acting of his own.will but by cont. ,pubis*, he had taken.. an early .° ortunity of dis avowing his everlutiing i 3 its conditions. 1 The ueiniaa of Sic }linty .Walksley - bad been. that he came into Spain wills the resolution to ells. blish the Constitution. but his found it !mainly c o n . eery to the spirit and general disposition. of his sub ieCls, and be at length abolished st against Isis own inclination. The alterations in the general spirit of the people which had been attempted to be made, tended always rather 'to prevent the factual exer tions - of the British troops, and in all measures of assistance had. been. a counter-actin circumstance. The people were attached to Ferdinand as children to their Lather ; and amongst other instances of the general approbation with which he was received, be - should remind the House that.he was drawn without horses by the crowd from Araojuez to Madrid on his return to the seat of his ancestors. It was a danige roes thing to attempt to pull down a system of Go vernment, because it was not known .thst the new erection might not be worse than the former; and 'it would be remembered, that it was nothing but„the extravagant conduct of the Cortes that brought down upon their own heads the severity, a there had beige any, that was the. subject of complaint. That their punishment was not the harbinger of any measure that might be dreaded - by the friends of peace and good order, was evident from the documents which bad been published on the ascension of Ferdinand. net the throw: those documents contained nothing. ton trary to the purest spirit of liberty. but rather pro misedevery thing that afreeGetternment could requite. There was. he considered, not the least necessity for the interference of the house in theieoncerne of Spain ; because. as every necessary felnollatranen had been made. with the Government of that country. ttarier internseddliag would but trod to lower the ch in ibe eyes of his subjects, without pro Owing any real boteficial eats. The--N.Alie Lord defended the' punishnbentie of several Generals' who had been engaged in the war before die return• oh 'Ferdinand. and considered the conduct of the Bishop of °cruel. who had been at the bead of the Regency, as most i te-mplery and praiseworthy. 'That venerable men had been always guided by the principles of the parestbenevolenee anz disintereptednassi and bad even refused a larger and more lucrative Bishopric than his owiti.leteettse be considered that woildiy motive. might have influenced him in receiving it. He hoped from every argument that he had btought forward, that the Honourable Member would see the imp.licy and inutility of the Spanish Cruise's, in which he seemed willing to engage the country ; he trusted that lie would see his error in having imagined that the Government nt Great Britain had looked tainel) on upon the conduct of Spain without•thinking it ne, cessery to interfere, and he trusted that he would perceive' that a more fit opportunity fur his iutrestiga , Doh would occur 'on the day which was not tar dis tant, when the House Was to enter at large upon the Jiscuision of the political situation of Eitrope. The Noble Lad concluded his' speech by declaring that there never was a ' motion 'which •Ite considered as mo r e proper to be negatived, and should therefore vote decidedly against it. • Lord JOHN RUSSELL expressed. his. opinion, that this tOWILry was in justice and honour bound In interfere in behalf of the Spanish Patriots. whole suf ferings, in a great measure, arose frnm their etemee 'don with, and friendship for this country. In answer to the Charge Of precipitancy which had liken .made against the present motion, be shoUld hat oh, serve, that 111411 y months had elapsed sitter the pantie. tic blentbers of the Cortes had been visited with such signal vengeance. (liser,hear.) . 'lt was, he reisar. ked, a tact generally understood, thatat the present moment, in the. prisons of Madrid twelve b victims were inCarcerated, and fivelitindred at Cam,: 'suffering, for the most part. in :roftultsolc•-of their patriotism and attachment to us, their former allies., If any precedent beyond those already adduced. Was required. he would mention the interpositionof Lord Wellington in behalf of a favourite, who bad been .condemned by the Coates. .In consequence of this in terposition anew trial was granted,' and the criminal was acquitted I (Neer, hear, hew.) Alderman smirk' entered into a jestification of his Majesty'. Ministers, and objected to any interfe rence with foreign-Goternmentt ost the part of Oppo sition Members, as such iftertereneet eras contrary to their own principles. • , General MATTHEW &Saged . that k 1 11 0 not' been his intention to eddreseehe guise on this nuns-' that, but he could tiocrentain eileni after listettittg to the doctrine of the. Huanurphie Alderman. TO, j 04 84 11 by his language,. be seemed to Oink .that .becaus e! ,_ Ministers had interposed. thee* who sat On h111,e4 1 4 .01 the House ought nut to be allowed to . titelif any Cib;: setvatious, or. AO open lb* ihotths at all, .iiiiii.as• It not true.. that lipaig riff _Wens:jug tied!! the i ttioet. shameful tyranne eve, Wart 4* 01.1cieft or kSalifsti times .1... (.4 keel ) 411 1 4 1 19W0. 1 0. 41444,!01'941 ,;_l_: .• • , wis he h 2 221 it from tM aid* larirdl,.:titrir *hi Oighieal leader mid Wolof the oilier side j. apsl in. one respect be wa s . glad of it, or • acconnt, of ids iltsr sentiments of cooCiliad in to wardi livitntd. at Noble Lord had' onlhe first Right of the Session ft-bilked his.llonostrible .and distinguished Friend (Mr: Iliongluirn) for his ani. astadversions On the Conduct of that usurper and de teitable-nsortster, Ferdinand VII.- , (4 laugh.)—Btte•• the Noble Lord had not been able to stop the mouth ,of. his Honourable Fiiend„np, nor the mouths of otheis.---(4 bad loch.) thef suppose that the I Noble Lord, or . any Minister among them, could stop the mouth of change the sentiments of any oe hid side of the House 1. They might dictate to 'foreign Rings, Princesi and EMperors, but they should not dictate to them, who were free Citizens, the repreSentatives of the nation, and who were sup... riot to all their corrupt machinations.—(4 fairek.).: That was the only assembly now in the world where Sings and Princes might learn* what was thought of them ; and he knew personally, that in every come, of the Continent the rEPorts -of moceedings in that:, Home were sought after with the greetest avidity.— ' (Hear, bear.) -I'he'Noble Lord might • tell them, if be pleased. that enough had been done; bat be was happy that the public voice was raised against the iniquitous conduct of that iniquitous monster, Ferdi nand of Spain. —(A laugh.)—Would not every man whit loved freedom be glad to see him hurled from his illoritten and blood•stained Throne ? Neva, he trusted, would this country spill another drop of blood, or spend another shilling in his defence. No. *Chad been too long duped ; we had exalted alive eqnoyn in arms and in diplomacy byahe exertion* of• fps Noble Lord on the Con t inen t ; b u t w h a t were-tlie fruits 1 Little better than general bankruptcy add distress. as would be made mote• manifest on Mon." day se'nnight, when there was to be a call of the though he biased some indulgence would be awn to his honourable countrymen, of whom many had actually no money to enable them to come over. (A toed laugh.) Here the landlord contrive& to ob: tain one-fourth of his rents, bin in Ireland he could get nothing. Mr. BENNET said, from the information he had reeelvedzespecting the former Government and Cortez' of Spain, he could deny that there was any hostility of the Likrala against this country There might have been some points on which a difference of opi-, nion prevailed ; but there was .n general hostility ever manifested on the part o• that body. This is formation he relied on, having been consmunicaind to hint by an Officer from that country. Their co. operatir with us in the campaign against the corn moo enemy had been so material to the result, we• owed to them a debt of gratitude. He hoped tba k the House would take into their set ious consideration the state of those Unfortunate itulivi.to as now can. filed in dungeons, and associated‘with the lowest of society. The conduct pursued in Spain brought back to our view those times which the g00..1 and the s erilightened now contemplated with horror, In re spect to the interference of his Were'. Govern ment, he hoped it might have done good ; but. any recommendation on their part was not likely is be strengthened by the orders which had been b"stowed upon the Spanish Monarch, because those honours *Might have induced him to suppose that his Govern. ment would be supported by that of Great Britain. The Honourable Gentleman was als t of opinion, shat if ioteverettre s like that exercised by the Duke of Wellogton for I,is friend, had been resorted to on ,the account of the other sufferers, much amelioration Aye them might have been procured. -Mr .11ROUGHAM said, that in reply he should trouble the House with a very words. He was ready to admit that he was taken by surprise in hearing vie declaration of the Noble Lord. that this country had ' interfered, that his:Majesty's Government had in strccted our Minister at the Court of Spain, in favour of those nuferiunate individuals. How was it /*mi. We for him to divine this conduct of the Covent m . • ent ? motion be now made was put off from time to time, and yet the Noble Lord preserved com plete silence 'woo the subjeit, and it was not likely th a t 1w ( lsmugham) should imagine that this silence was intaded to signify some steps had been taken to acconylish that which was the object of the present motion., It appeared as if the Noble Lord had studisohly preserved silence upon every occasion, whenshis subject had been mentioned, with a view to entrap th.• motion before the House, and by sur ptise to give the information in a triumphant manner. But certainly his triumph was greatly diminished, mien we called to our recollection the proceedings ' which had taken place since tholath of May, 1814. Since that period these Deputies and Members of the Regency were still in damp and•darksonae dun es. Fur two months, until the sth of July at these miseries still accompanied them—(Hear.) Ors the sth of July a Treaty of Alliance had been made with the Government of Spain, and although thaw was interference almost about every thing, there was ne isitarierence about these Deputies and Mem bers of the Regency. After Vais it was. that the Gar ter: waa sent to decorate Kong Ferdinand. But down Airiest December, during a period of twenty months, telithing 110 - ; ticeti done; for instead of opening the doors of dicir duegeons and setting these asehappy anon at Islierti, the Idonerkii Of Ilmata ordered that they should b tried by * Special Commission, and &co being displeased with the decision of these Com missioners, he proceeded to try and punish them him.' self. With. all these .events before him, be. (Mr. Ilronsham) might be excused from supposing that (outline had been doge on the part of the Government of. this country. This wai the first dine he had been mode acquainted with their conduct, end-he had no doubt of the instructions given, and the conduct at tributed to that Honourable Gentleman, Sir H. Wel liesley. At the same time, under aU these circumstan ces, he was anxious to know at what period tbiainter- Aim, Ince bad been made, for if it occurred before De cenibor last, it would then be clear that it hid not the • ' desired effe ct, and he should sill persist in the object 01 his motion. If the endeavour to relieve these suf . ferv4 hadbeen made since Deceotberi he should be disputed to Withdraw his motini, and to wait for the • result.. 'lbis. was the most obvkias 'coarse he amid pursue, and he should guide himself by the answer which the'NOble Lord Might return. Mr.W.POLE observed, thit it had been repeatedle remarked both by himself mkt others in that House, tbausinte the entrance of Ferdinand into Spain. every dale 1)11141 *St 911' therm of this GOY= mak xo induce that Monarch. to accept the Coestititiinn, rand to Gee individoals, from . pianishment. Hr was astonished at the declaratin n which had been mad, that the course ,pursued .was sot known till rum, when it was e v en ,well known tn Ole Li'heirrles thom ,selves. His N , ble Friend had not therefore taken the house by surPriie. It was well -known that ne Jean wormed more popular to his own country than King Ferdinsnd, and no men were more imp puke an the L.beralei. He was sorry, for the sake it these unfortunate individuals themselves, that at- ' tempts had been made on the other side of the H u e to vilify 'and tun don% the character of the King of Spain ; and these attempik . were one great cause of die rigoiw to these men ; far it that King had bemt left to himself, he would have been disposed to be more lenient to these sufferer. The .newspapers of this calvary went to Spain, echoing to them 'die oh nervations of this House, augmented by paragraphs of an inflammatory nature. With respect to, the mo tion, the Hooourable Gentleman might dispose of it according to his own pleasure . ) but he had the night received a lesson—(Cries of Order Order). —He did not mean the expression in an offensive way, hut the • information he had received from his Noble Frien), would drew that he ought to have considered what might have been done, before he made to the House a potion like the present. Mr. BROUGHAM, •in explanation, hoped tte Right Hon. Gentleman, when he reminded him of a lesson again, would express himself more.fccording to the meaning he intended to convey. With respect • to his motion, if the interference alluded to had not beetikelscessful, it would not heave prevented his sub mitting the subject to the House, but certainly, its that case bilshould have shaped his motion bun* what differently from the present. . Lord CASTLE ItEAGH. eruld not but lepert. that if the interposition of his Majesty's Ministers bad not been attended with all the success that rtfipt have been wished, the intervention of the tflu.e. so far from doing gal.!, might only produce ulterior mischief. Mr. TIERNEY said, that if he thought the couise of negociation which Ministers were now purpling was at all likely to produce a a beneficial resllt, hat 'should certainly advise his Honourable and Learned Friend to withdraw his motion ; but there appeared to be A disposition to force the to a division, rather than to &ive that clear and :necessary iiitotmation which his Hon. Friend had requested. He (Mr. Tierney) begged the House to coasider, that the than , ner is which the lsberales had treated seemed so have rouse.l the Same feelings of indignation in his Maje , ty's - Ministers as had been expressed by Gently. Merl on that side of the House. If the Government of England, and the duet ether great powers, had made representations which had not been attended to, then it Wdi not too much to ask the Noble Lord whether he di.l not want some auistance ? It might he alleged that any further interference would be ex trtmely improper ; but if all the attempts of those .great powers h Id proved entirely useleas, then a tifto power, the Commons of England, should not be de terred from expressing their opinions. . Lord CAS rid EREA.d H saw that the Right .Ho. nourahle Geutkman had only risen to extricate his Learned Friend from the difficulties into which he had fallen ; but he was fully convinced that the Right Hon. Gentleman woul.l greatly emharras. the attempts of Ministers by. supporting the present ;potion. Mr. TIERNEY could not understand what the Noble Lord meant by the difficulties of his Honour able and Learkeis Friend. In his opinion, there had been no reply whatever to the 'argumentitive part Of his speech ; and, indeed,,no person had attempte.l to answer it, except the Worthy Alderman—(a trez4.) Mr. Alderman SMltli explained. The House then divided--Agaiast the Motion 123 —For it 42—Majority SI. Air CHARLES MONCK moved for the copy of a Letter from Lord Collingwood to . Mr. W. Pole, dated October 1809, relative to the louian Islands ; also for the articles of capitulation of three islandr, lord . Cellingwood's report on taking , then, under our protection, and a copy of any instructions winch had been sent to his Liirdship, respeetiug the wpm.- sular Government, previous to 1809. Lord CASTLEREAGH had n 3 objection to produce all those documents, except: the last.. In. Structions given to an Ofli:er could only becosne im. • portaut in case he had acted wrong. There had been no instructions whatever as to the assurance give.l to the inhabitants of the lonian Island s for the restora tion of their Goiernment. It had arisen merely horn ' the spur of the moment; but, he had the satisfactoo of saying. that,the 'spirit of.that assurance had tw, n executed in a manner that was at ist acceptable to die people. Sir FiEDERICK FLOOD m-v:d for an account of the quantity of butter imported Irons Irelaed tit' lag the four. last years ; also, for an arcouot tat the quantity of beeter imported into London in foreign - vessels during the same period. Mr: HQ.R.NER said, that lie bad given notier c the other..evening, of his intention to mnve for a ;taper relative to the apportionment of the lurces Ire'em. ployed the Allied Powers in France. tre since looked into the Treaties which had been laid upon the table. and begged to know whether this matter was sitfficiently explained, for the purposes of discussion on Monday nest, in the note of the Aili.ti Minliters to the Duke de Richelieu t • Lord CASTLEREAGH replied; that that docu. ment would'be quite sufficieni. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up the report of the Committee of Supply, which was agreed to. Mr. BROGDEN brought up the Report of. the Committee on Foreign Vessels..—Agreed to. -Mr. GRENFELL moved for an account of the balances of public money in the hands of the Bank of England during the last year. On the mown of Mr. HORNER. the House went into a Committee on the Freehold' Estate Bill. Re. port tomorrow. BROODEN brought in' a Bill for relieving Earl Gower from certain penalties which his Lord ship had incurred, by sitting and voting in thP . H. use * without having . taken the oaths required by intr.—. Read a first t ime, "and ordered to be read a emit i time to-morrow. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER gave notice of his intention to brie is fate the clergy Ilesideace . Aet. •