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sthlch had been made on this tobjea by his Majelly's o Mi t tiffere was fp clear, that o n ly one p o i nt tema i ne d t l to be'explainid, and that was, why the duties levied by Iht Order of Council were higher than thole levied `by the expired Aels? He allowed that the law had been'infringed, and confequently that &material in convenience had been incurred. Was the Order of Council a meatule of political neceffity, which it could have been criminal in Miniilers not to aivife Majetly to .adopt? He thoutht it was. At - the .fame time it was perfcdtly fair in thofe who difap proved of the diffolution, to tell Mininerc that they had put themfelves into a lunation, in which they were compelled to break the law, and that therefore they mull abide by the confequences of their ill ad vice to his neje(ly to diffolee Parliament. Every faculty and energy of the country ought to be called 'fur+ in this momentous crifis ; bit nothing c uld •*ive him greater alarm than to fee fuch - concellions granted to the Catholics as teemed to be recommen ded by his Noble Friend who had just fat down. He contended that it was untrue to fay we were a divided people. He had oppofed the Catholic meafure, be• caufe he thought it pregnant with the utmott danger to the Cnnilitution ; for, differing completely from his Noble Friend'on this fubjed, he owned that he had azlways underdond that Proteßantifm and civil liberty were as infcparable as Popery and evil liberty were incompatible. This country mull have an eltablifhed Church, if it wifhed to preferve religion and morals ; and what Church was preferable to the Protedant ? Lord REDESDALF. was adverfe to any farther coneeflions to the frith Catholics, not In much on account of the objedinn he entertained againll the Catholic Religion, as becaufe there were certain pn. litical opini tns Which thefe Catholics held to be tell Thefe opiaions they adopted in c.rnfequence _ of their alliance with a falling political party in Ire• land, and to thOrifluence of that party might be attributed all The dinurbances which had fo long agitated Ireland, •and alto all the difficulties which Rood in the way of 'a complete conciliation of the Catholics. Between the Catholics of Ireland and thofe of this crentry, there did, the Noble Lord obferved, exift a material difference in this reined. Bat he was lorry tnperceive that of late years the Engin Catholics Teemed to have adoped too much of the political cha• railer of the Irifh Catholics, notwithdanding the pre cedent and laudable refinance of tome of their leaders. As to the bell means of more clofely cementing the conneftion between Ireland and this eountry, the No- ' ble Lord earneftly recommended the fpeedy adoption of frme meafures to Qrengthen the Protellant efiablifh• ment in Ireland, which he thought in a very precarious Rate at prefent. The difference between the Catholic re. ligion in the two countries he conceived to be this, that in England it was felt to be a tolerated religion, while in Ireland it was the rival of the Ellablifbed Church. Lord BUCKINGHAMSHIRE difclaimed the idea which the Noble Lord he had heard, had the arrogance to hate, that no time could arife in which the claims of l ihe Catholics ought not to be acceded to He Thou ld only fay, that he did not think it pro bable that he fhould live th fee the day. With regard To what had been fo often Rated, as to the opinions entertained upon this fubjeet, particularly at the pc tiod of the Union, by an illutirious perfon now no more (Mr. Pitt), he could declare, as one of thofe who had the honour of being frequently confulted by that great conduelor of the nation, that he never, in any initance, undertlood him to hold an opinion, that what was called Catholic Emancipation, or ad mitring Catholics into Parliament, mull be the con fequence of it. For himfelf, he would not hefitate to fay, that if he had apprehended fuch a confequence from the Union, he would, much as he defired that meafure, have been among the firll oppofe it— becaufe;from the admiffion of Catholics he had reafon to apprehend more mifchief than could be counter. balancedby any good the Union was likely to produce. Lord GRENVILLE, in explanation, declared the convielkn of his mind, that without Catholic Eman cipation no other meafirre could retain Ireland in her union with this country . The Earl of WESTMORELAND argued in fop. port of the moti'n. With refpe& to the other topics that had been introduced into the debate, as conneeled with the queßion which was immediately before their Lordfhip , , he obferved that when he was Lord Lieu tenant of Ireland, if conceflions were made to the Roman Catholics of that country, thofe conceffions were authorized by the King and by the Minillers this country. As to the other principal point that bad been urged in debate, the diffolution, Parliament' thad already come to a decifion oa that head. He lhould therefore leave thefe queflions to their Lord. /hips' conlideration, without any obfervation on his Fort. Lord HOLLAND briefly explained, and ac quainted their Lordthips that he put poled fubmitting in forne future Rage of the Bill 11. me alteration in the pr eamble. The queflion was then put and carried in the affir mative. The Bill was ordered to be committed to morrow (this day ) The American Trade Bill was ordered to be read a third time ; and it was ordered that their Lerd flips be fummoned.—Adjourned at half pall one. HOUSE OF COMMONS. New Write were ordered, for Dorchefter in the room of Mo ver COOPER. who had accepted the place of Clerk of the Ord nance; for Graotham in the room of Mr. RUSSEL MANNERS, who had accepted the place of the Clerk of the Deliveries of the Ordnance; for Youghal in the room of Lord Boyle. called up to the Houfe of Peers; and for St. Mawes in the room of Colonel Shipley, who having been alfo returned for the Borough of Flint, bad made his eledion to fcrve for the latter place. On the Motion of Mr. STURT, a Committee was appointed to take into conlideratio,n the Standing orders of the Houfe relative to the Turnpike Road Bill fo far as it relates to the Eftimates t'pou Petitions prefented to that Houfe. The Windfor Foreft Bill was read a fecond time, and ordered to be committed to morrow. ...... Sir F. 1 URTON, at the requeft of the Chancellor of the Ex chequer, put off his motion relative to India from Friday to Fuel*. day next. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQVER brought up a Bill for enabling his Majcfty to appoint the Chancellor of the Ex chequer for the time being for Ireland a I.otd of the Treafury in Great Britain without falary. Read a firft time—to be read a fe cund time to-morrow. Mr. DUNDAS brought up a Bill for enabling the Fait India Company to raile Money upon B .nds. or by increafiog their Stock. Read a firft time, to be read a frcond time to morrow. 14,1 r. FOSTER brought up a Bill for ei-couraging the F ' , Jon of Salted Beef and Pork Irom Ireland. Read a fiat time—to be read a fecond time to morrow. • Ordered, on the motion of Mr. FOSTER, that there he laid before the Houfe a Return of all the WArranht for the furpenfion of part of the Duties on Raw Sugar imported into Ireland under the forty-firh of the King, which Return was then prckined, and ordered to lie on the Table. The !aft India Company's Bill was real a feeond time, and er- I dared to becemrnitted on Thurfday. The Members of Parliament Pqni , y Bill was read a ftteond time, and ordered to he committed to-morrow. The Trad.-rs Mitts Bill was read a third time and paffsd. Mr. HUSKISSON gave notice of a motion for the appraVria', thin of the War Taxes, to be brought forward in the Committee. of Supply on Vs'edneiday, Mr. MELLISH prefented Petitions from the Inhabitants of St. Sepulchre, and St. Jame s 's, Cferkenwell, the DireEtors of the Poor of Pancras, the Veftry of St. Paul, Covent Garden, the In-: hat•itants of Saffron Hill. St Giles's, St. George 's in the Eaft, Ste— agaiaft the Parochial School Bill. [be Prtitims were referred to. the Committee on the Bill. ARMY CLOTHING AND AGENCY. Mr. COCHRANE JOHNSTONE gave notie •. that nn this day fortnight he should fuhmit a motion to the Houfe relative to Army Agency and Clothing; but as be conceived it to be neeef fary that the Houfe should he in poffeflion of certain documents relative to that queftion. lie took that opportunity of giving notice, that he should tomorrow move for the following accounts: An Account of all Sums of Money iffutil to the Army Agents, from the 25th of December, 1805, to the atth of Decemlver, tBo6, fnecifling the names of thole Agents, the number of Regiments of the Line, Militia, and Fencibles, for which t'.ey are employed, and the accounts of the Securities given by them for the faithful dif charge of the trait repofed in them. An account of all Sums of Money Wood to each and every of the Army Agents, by way of compenfation for his trouble in the affairs of the different Regiments of which he has the manage. ment, and fear any other Public Fxpenees. from the 25th of De cember, 1805, to the 24th of December, fpecifying the ft:- veral heads of fervice for which the compenfation is granted. An Account of all Sums of Money advanced monthly to the Army Agents. for Sobfiftence, &c, for what periods thae Pay ments are made In advance, and the names of the Agents. An Amnion of the Expence for Agency, attending the 26th Article of the Ablirad of the Army Estimates for this year, pre rented to the Houfe on the lath of January laft ; the names of the Agents entitled to receive the fame, and the amount paid to each Agent. A Statement of the moda of Ming the Funds applicable to the Volunteer Service, thr6ugh the Office of the Agent General, with an Account of the Expence of that ElLibliihment, from the tit of June, 1803, to the tit of January, 1803, fpecitying the different heads under which the fame has been iffued. A Statement of the Sums expended in Great Britain, for the Volunteer Service, between the tit of June, 1803. and the lit of January, illos,fpecifying particularly, how much has been applied to the following heads, via. attending at Drill, Infpedtion, perma nent Duty, alto of Drill Serjeants, Adjutants, Serjeants Major, InfpeCting Field Officers, Brigadier Generals, Majors of Brigade, Aides-de-Camps, and Clothing. An Account of all Sums of Money to which the Regiments of the Line are entitled for Clothing, from the 25th of December, 1804, to the 24th of Dezember, 1805, fpecifying the number of Regiments. A Return of the Number of effedlive Non commiffioned Offi cers and Privates on the Strength of the Regiments of the Line, from the 25th of December, 1804. to the stth of December, 180 . S. A Return of the Number of effeetive Officers of each rank on the Strength of the Line, front the 25th of December, tBo4, to the 25th of December, 8o t. The SF.CRETARY at WAR brought up a Bill for the better Payment of Half-pay Officers, and of the Penfims of the Widows of Officers, which, after a few obfervations from General Fitz patrick, was read a firft time, and ordered to be read a fecon I time on Wednefday. The SECRETARY AT WAR prefented a Return of the Names of all Officer, of the Rank of field Officers, now on the Half Pay of his Majelly's Army. Ordered to lie on the Table. L:INDON PORT BILL. The Houle, in a Committee on the London Port Bill, voted 30,0001. for eredling a buildittg for the accommodation of Reve nue Officers, and a Barrack for Troops at the Weft India Ducks The report to be received on Thurfday. MR. PALMER'S BOTITION. Mr. LETHBRIDGE brought up the Report of the Committee on Mr. Pa!mer',, Petition, which was ordered to be prLted, and referred to a Committee this day fe'nnight. The Sheriffs of the City of London prefented a Petition again ft the Chrilt Church Poor Bill s svhich was referred to the Committee upon the Bill. CATHOLIC COLLEGE OF MAYNOOTH. Mr. FOSTER, adverting to a notice which he had Oren for Wednefday next, on the tubjedt of not propofing to grant more than the ofual yearly ,grant to the Seminary at Maynooth, on the ground, that he bad found no document to Thew that an additional grant was called for, Rated that he had fence learned that part of the money had been iffued, and Steps taken for the ere!tion of the intended additional building. For this reafon he was induced to depart from his original intention, and he then gave notice, that he Ihould on Wednefday move not only the annual fum of 80 XL but the additional „pool. voted left fcffion, at the fame time that he fhould not confider hinafelf precluded by fo doing from enter ing into the merits of fuch a grant, whenever that queition fhouid be brought before the Hottfe next feffitm. Mr. WILLIAMS WYNNE, in confetatienee of the notice of the Right Hon. Gentleman, withdrew his notice and the fubje.ft, which flood for this day. Lord HOWICK expreffed hie fatisfadtion, that the Right Ho. nourable Gentleman, on a reconfideration of the fubjed, had aban dotted his original intention. SETTLEMENT OF FROOMORE UPON HER MAJESTY. The CHANCELI OR of the EXCHFQIIER brought down a meffage from his Majefty, in which he ezpreffed a dtfire to have the Queen's Palace and Lands of Frogniore, fettled upon her Ma jetty and the Vrioccff .s, and requefted the Houk to take the proper Iteps for fettling the fame.—The tneffige was referred to a Com mittee of the whole Houfe. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. The Houk, on the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, rcfolved itfelf into a Committee of Supply, to which the Report from the Committee appointed to prepare an Ellimate of the Charge of the Pay and Clothing of the Militia of Great Britain and Ireland Was referred.—Mr. Hostiou SE in the Chair— The following fums were then voted For extraordinarics of the Army, incurred from 25th Dee. 1825 to 25th Dee.lBo6, and not pro! 793,720 o 8 viled for by Parliament Army Extraordivaries fur great Britain for the _ a sio),000 0 0 year 1807 Ditto for Ireland • 600,000 0 0 It was alfo voted, that a provifion he made for the wy and clothing of the Militia of Faigland and Ireland, and a provifion for the allowances to Serjeant Majors, Adjatants. and suhaltcrn Of ficers of Militia in Great Britain. The Houfe then returned, and the repent was ordered to be received to-morrow. DUTIES ON SALT, PAPER, &C. The Houfe, in a Committee of Supply, voted the coo , inuance of the expiring Duties on Salt, Paper, Zee.-- I he- Report ordered to be received to-morrow. COMMITTAL OF WAYS AND MEANS. The Houfe, on the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX CH EQS.IER., refolved Well into a Committet of Ways and Means , Mr. Hobhoufe in the chair, when the ufual Refolutions were vo ted refpedling the Lottery; and the Chancellor of the xclarquer ftated, that it had been fuggefted to make Tickers i•t the Third Lottery in a certain proportion, Prizes in the two Firit Lotteries, inftead of funs of money ; but that he would not then give any opinion upon the fubjedt, but leave the matter for the future de. citron of the Houfe, when the Lottery Bill fhould be brought in. Souse Refolutions were alto voted refpedting Irith Stamp Duties, when the Houfe having refurned, the report was ordered to be re ceived tomorrow. STATE OF THE CCWNTRY• Mr. WHITBREAD brought up his bill for pro moting' and encouraging induliry amongll the La bouring Clafles, and for the better Regoldtion and Relief .If the Neceffitous Poor.—Read a &II time. On the queflinn that the bill be read a fecond time, Mr. WHITBREAD exprefred his regret that he Iltould not be able to bring forward the fecond read ing on the day on which he had at firft proptifed, be caufe he felt himfelf in the fame fituation with fever al other Hon. Members, who w be obliged to at. tend their duties as Country Gentlemen, at the Qoar. ter Sea - tons and at the Affizes. It would have been his with, tNat the Bill Ihould proceed through its fecond Ilage en the day which he had originally propoled ; but, with a riew tu the duties which be had to perform in his country, he . found it impallible to fix the fecond reading of the bill for an earlier day than Monday next. As many other Gentlemen, who might wifh•tn take a (tare in the difcnti in of this meafure, would feel themfelves in the fame fituation with iiimfelf, he had the leis difficulty in propoting to put off the dirt:ninon to that day. Being upon his legs he wi(hed to lake that opportunity of adverting to the very alarming lituation of public affairs, and purling a quellinn to the Right Hon. Gentleman near him—[Mr. Whitbread being then at the Minifle:ial I file of the Houfe]—whether it was in the content plation of his Majefly's Mininers to fribmit an im• mediate propofition to the Horace, founded upon the dillrefling circumflances, in which the late calamitous intelligence from the Continent !hewed the world in general, and ihis country in particular, to be placed. If any filch ptnpolition were intended, he trailed, that it fhould not be brought forward without proper notice, and that the Right Hon. Gentlemen oppofite would not think of difculling a queiliora of fo much importance, a large proportion of the Members of that Houfe would be necentily abfent, but take every means of procuring the fullell attendance of Parliament. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in reply to the Honourable Gendem in, role to do that, which it had previoufly been his intention to do, as loon as that Honourable Member fhould have fat down, namely, to give notice on the part of his No ble Friend, the Secretary of State for War and Co lonies, to bring on a motion on Friday next, relative to the Rate of the military defence of the country. He ffinuld be forty, therefore, that the obfervations which had fallen from the Hon-urable Getalemaa fhould induce the Houfe to fuppofe, that Friday was an inconvenient day for that purpole. He could fee no reafon why his Noble Friend might not on Friday open his plan to the Haufe, becaufe that plan could not be carried into effect without a bill, in the //Arial) , Rages of which there would be frequent opprttini ties, during the cootie of next week, of diCknifing its merits. But if it fhould be the feeling of the Houle, or even the with of the Hon. Gentleman . himfelf, that the motion of his Noble Friend lhould be deferred to Monday, he had no hefitation to fay. that his Noble Friend would not have any objedi in to put off his motion to that day, though it was ex tremely detirable, that even the fmall (pace of three days fhotild not be log in bringing forward a lub• jeet of In much impo'tance. If, on the contrary, the Houle fhould feel that no inconvenience would arife from having the general expofition of the plan made on Friday. under an underilanding that it would be to be diftniffed in detail, after the introduelion of the meafure founded upon that expofition, he availed himfelf of that occafion to give notice of the intention of his Noble Friend, to bring forward the motion on Friday. He had already Rated to the Noble Lord oppofite (Lord Howick) the intention of his Noble Friend, to bring forward an important quellion on the fubjeet, to which the ritießion of the Honourable Gentleman related, on Friday next, and he had the authority of that Noble Gentleman, to fay, that Friday would be a more convenient day to him for having the fubjeet brought forward. Mr. WHITBREAD, thoul,h defirous of being prefent at all the Rages of fo important a quellion, did not feel difpcifed to objeet to the courfe propofed by the Right Hon. Gentleman. But he begged leave to fubmit, whether the propofition of the Noble Lord might not be made on Friday, and the d ifcuffion upon it adjourned to the Wednefday following, in which cafe the objea of the Noble Lord would be attained by opening his plan on Friday, and there would be only a delay of three days before the Houfe would have to decide upon it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER expreffed himfelf obliged to his Honourable Friend, (if he would permit him fo Yo call him), for the manner in which he had acceded to the comic he propofed. In whatever way his Noble Friend fhould proceed, the object of the Honourable Gentleman would be anfwered, becaufe, whether the expofition were to be made on Friday, or on a future day, the Honour able Gentleman would have an opportunity of dif- culling the merits of the plan, when the Bill to he founded upon it fhould be brought before the Houfe. Mr.WHITB READ declared himfelf fatisfied with the comic propofed, which had already been met with the approbation of his Noble Friend (Lord Howick.) The CHANCELLOR of the E.XCHEQUER. then expreffed a wi(h, that his Right Hon. Friend, the Secretary at War, fhould put off his motion rela live to the further ERimates for the Army, which flood for this day, until after the expofition of his Noble Friend's plan nn Friday. The SECRETARY at WAR acquiefced in the with of his Right Hon. Friend, and put off his notice to Friday next. Lord HOWICK expreffed his entire acquiefcence in the arrangement propofed by the Right Honoura• ble Gentleman oppofite, and declared himfelf per fonally obliged ,to that Right Hon. Gentleman for his early communication to him of the intention of the Noble Lord, refpeeling the important motion which he was to make on Friday. As the Right Honourable Gentleman had defired the further Etti mates for the Army to be deferred until after the ex pofition of the plan to be brought forward on Friday, it was to be inferred that that plan had fume refer ence to the Defence of the Country. He wifhed to be informed, whether, as there was every appearance of engagements having been entered into with foreign , Powers, it was likely that any communication would be made to the Houfe on the fubjeet of Inch engage pnents at an early day ? This quellion he put, be ' caufe he thought it important that the Houfe fhould have fume intormation upon the fubjeel, that if the Right Honourable Gentlemen oppofite fhould confi der it incompatible with their finfe of public duty to • lgive an anfwer, he (Mould not prefs the matter fur ther. Mr. Secretary CANNING replied, that undoubt edly certain engagements had been entered into with foreign Powers, and that it had been the intention of his Majelly's Miniffers not to fufFer Parliament to feparate without making a communication upon the Thefe engagements had, however, been contingent, and Minilters had thought it better to defer that communication for a thort time; in order to afcertain whether the contingency upon which the engagements depended would take place. It was deemed datable. that the communication fhould be made in the moll perfeet manner, and not fubjeft to therontingency. But it never had been the intention of his &raptly's Government to - (offer the prefent faint) to elapfe, without making a communication to Parliament ; and he had reafon to think, that be. fore the conchaion of the prefent week, of early in the nest week, he fhould have the authority of his Majefly to make a communication on that fubjed to the Hunk. The Bill was then ordered to be read a fecrod time on Monday next. PAROCHIAL SCHOOLS BILL._ Mr. WHITBREAD moved the order of the day for the fecond reading of the Parochial Schools Bill. Mr. DAVIES GIDDY, after a fpeech of (tine length againit the whole of the Hon. Member's plan rcfpeCting the Poor, moved an amendment, that the Bill he read a fecond time this day three months. Mr. MORRIS difapproved of the local manner of levying the Poor Rates, and laid that he Ihould port the amendment. Mr. ELLISON fuppnrted this amendment, on the ground, that the operation of the Bill would he to tax the landed intereft for the purpofes it had in view, and that if the education of the poor was to he taken up as a national objeCt, the expence ought to be de frayed nut of the general funds of the country. Mr. STURGES BOURNE wilhed the plan to (land over till the next Salon. It was advifahle, that a proper education fhould be given to the poor. He thought the bell provifion would be, to charge the expense upon the; poor's rate, in proportion to the wants, and the powers and the willies of the pa rilh ; rather than to make the matter the fulikst of an cr•mpulfory charge. He dwelt very feelingly upon the cruelties praCtifed upon parifh ap prentices, which were to be imputed principally to the compulfory nature of the obligation to take them. Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY argued flrongly, that the Bill fhould go into a Committee, though lie did not contend that it fhould be finally paired before the next Sefton. The education of the poor would di minilh the ;diners of the poor, and confequently the pool's rate. Mr. ROSE wifhed the Bill to go into a Commit tee, to try if it could be made more perfeet. He thought it defirable to teach the poor to read : of the expediency of teaching them to write, he doubted ; more than that, he was lure it would put them be yond their fituations, and would therefore be injuri ous. Mr. LUSHINGTON recommended education as the bell foundation of religion, morality, and induf try._ Mr. DUNDAS concurred in the principle of edu cating the poor in 'Scotland ; the parents of the chil dren paid a rate fixed by the magithates, in aid of the parochial allowance, to the fchoolmatier. The parochial allowance was defrayed by an affeffment on the land. Mr. SIMEON thought no good could be done by going into the Committee. Lord MILTON fpoke in favour of the Bill, which he withed to be expedited by all pollible means. Mr. WALKER. thought indifcriminate education inexpedient, as tending to confound all ranks of people. Mr. WHITBREAD returned his acknowledge ments for the fisirit of candour with which the mea t-we had been treated in all parts of the Houfe. He thought it his duty, after all the attention he had given to the ftibjea, and all the pains he had taken to put the Houfe and the Public in pofreffi , as of the relish of his labours, to prefs for a decifion this Seffi n, at leaf' upon the great principle, whether or Hot educa tion was a fource of induary, virtue, and prolperity, and whether a-fyftem of general education ought to be adopted in this country ? If this country continued great and profperous, as be hoped it wouldl , a, fyllem of general education would loon be difcerned robe of the utmoft importance, and would, of sourfe, be adopted. If good education was not fubtlituted, mifchievous and wicked education would prevail, to the great increafe of the public burthen , , and the great depravation of public morals. It was for the principle of a national education that he contended. If the principle fhould be adopted he would be ready to agree to every advifeable modification. All the Members who had fpoken on the que tion explained. The Marquis of TITCHFIELD thought much benefit would refult from general educati as, but Paid that benefit may colt too much. He wilhed therefore for fome information as to the probable expenfe. Mr. WHITBREAD could not fay how far the patifhes may be provided with, or be deftitute of buildings that may anfwer for fchools. In many parifhes it would not be neceffary to expend a Chil ling on that account. Schoolmafters may be pro videdat a . verycheap rate. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER wiffied the Bill to go into a Committee, with a view to the utmoa Writers of confrdcration. It was the with, unqueflionably, of every one in the Houfe to render the lewer claffes of the community better and happier. He feared, however, that the kind of education here propofed, though it may give learn ing, would not contribute much to diffule induftry, religion, or morality. He feared a general legifla live efkablifhment, would injure and deltroy the vo luntary eflablifhments for public education now ex• ifting. He recommended a commiffion of inquiry to atcertain the (late of the charitable foundations for public education already eaablifhed. A com miflion of that kind was already profecuting a fimi lar inveaigation in Ireland, without any falary to the commillloners, and with but very few clerks.— When fuel) a commiffion fhould have afcertainect what had been already dmie, it would be time enough to inquire what further may be done. He defended the principle of the Poor Laws. However the fyllem may be abuftd, as every large fyllem mutt be liabk; to abufe, it was a proud charadieriflic of the nation, that charity was incorporated into the Legiflature. The poor of this country had confequently an inte reit in the maintenance of its contlitution and inde peripience, which the people of no other country had. He faid, the education propofed would difqualify the perfons pnffeffing it from the molt neceffary and ufe ful defcriptinn of labour. The Qtlakers were men• tinned as a Oafs univerlally educated. The example ftrengthened his argument; for he never knew of an Agricultural Q2aker. He wilhed the Bill to be made as perfect as poffible, though he did not think it advifable ultimately to adopt it, and without a profpeek of ultimate adoption it would perhaps be ufelefs labour to improve the plan. Mr. SHAW LEFEVRE was for going into the [Tura over.