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Yes.—Q. Did y the letter ought not 'to be admitted upon you thing to regularity !ficiency in the art of panning ? A. the evidence ; but as the Committee had frequently le only stated that she could imitate deviated from the precise line of its investigation, he rk's held-writing and then did imi. thought that this deviation ought to be admitted to presence ? A. Yes.---Q. Did you correct a deviation which had already taken place cation upon the occasion, and what ? from the erroneous introduction of Major Tucker's )bserved to her that it was a serious name into their proceedings. Miss Taylor had been `tat did she say, or did she say any examined as a witness, and might be examined again laugbed.—Q. Did she say any if she had any thing further to state. did not. Mr. BALTifIRRST and Mr. CANNING explained. ROAMS TURTON.? You say that Mrs. The CHANCE : I...LC:t o ot the EXCHEQUER t he signature o the Duke of York ; I stated this to be distinct m any other case. Colo :he signature of his Royal Highness I nel Tucker only wished to remove an impression A. 140.—Q! Was the signature at eai groundlessly produced respecting his late brother; but l e tter, or by itself ? A. What I saw Clavering had offered himself as a voluntary piece of paper, I cannot say whether 1 witness to impe ac h the veracity of another witness. )on.—Q. Did you.read any writing 1 Mr. Beresford,. if he consrlted his feelings, , would I A. I did not.—Q. Are you sure ' accede to the 'proposition that the letter be placed on :ure Mrs. Clarke stewed you as the ! the minutes ; but in consequences that might follow, :.Duke of York, was not written by ; by giving encouragement to all the others, whose can't say whether she may not have ' names bad been mentioned, to-send in letters, with la view to have them placed on the minutes,; he I FOLKESTONE.) What word or words was decidedly against it.—The matter dropped here signature which you believe Mrs. ! without any decision of the question. imitated ? A. She said that the Duke 1 TheCHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER role' .tie ways. Frederick, York, and Al- I before the Committee should proceed to the examine- `s of the three I cannot say positively. tion of the letters which had been submitted toa Coat was one of the three.—Q. Are you ' mittee last night, to Make a statement, which would •it was Frederick, York, or Albany ? serve as an answer to a question put on a former night ively say, whether it was one or the by an Hon. Member of that House. 'rbe.question I referred to the expence which the Duke of Ycrk had EMBER.) Were you not, in the exer- ' incurred for the maintenance of the establiShment for fession, in the habit of teaching your : Mrs. Clarke in Gloucester-place.. As far as he was titers in a particular way, for e;nbel- i enabled to enquire no accurate account could be lowers, 411 cc. ? A. Yes, I have.—Q. ! made out of the to tal amount of that expeiditure.— iw the hand writing, if you were to see i There were many items, however, capable of distinct Clarke *rote as similar to that of the ! proof, which he'had been enabled to collect. the ag ? A. No ; I should not. The one i gregate of which would give the Committee some one which she shewed me, and said I adequate idea of the actual state of the case. Besides I should know, if I saw it.—Q. Did I what had been expended fur the house and furniture, she could imitate the hand svritinp 1 &c. it had been ascertained, by a reference to his lature ?A. I obsarved her imi- Royal Highness's banker's books, that a sum of re. £5,570 had been paid by drafts for the vupport of Baesfam.) )From your attention to that establishment. He was also authorised to state, )f letters, tan you describe the hand- that his Royal Highness had at various times given ras sly:twn you by hlrs. Clarke ? A. to Mrs. Clarke divers additional sums, which he After was it flourishing or plain ? A. It had at present no means of ascertaining, though iand.—Q. You said that Mrs. Clarke iof considerable amount. No one payment had been luke of York's hand-writing ? A. Yes, I paid in Mrs. Clarke's name during the whole Ad me she could forge his signature.— continuance of her living under the protection of have been in the confidence of Mrs. his Royal Highness. 1 With regard to the drafts not usual to inform persons not in the , upon the banker, that point might be proved by evi- be parties of such facts, Were you 1111 deuce at the bar, or before a Select Committee, if c e e th o e f of Mrs. Clarke tA. No Sir.—Q. Yon the Committee should be of opinion that it should be 1 employed e e d ev to ia t e . n ak in the confidence of Mrs . Clarke ? A. gene into; w it h ; o w u a. lt u zpe o g iy itn e l drafts to the bank, and who, when he brought back the money to his Royal Highness, uniformly waited till his - Royal Highness made it up in packages, or under covers, to be sent by the same servant to Mrs. Clarke's house. With respect to the other sums paid by his Royal Highness on account of that establish ment, they could easilybe ascertained from the books of the various tradesmen, and other persons who sup.- plied the furniture,..jewels, plate; that had already beenso often mentioned in. that House, and wine. The whole sum paid front January IC* to June 1806 wits £16,761. .If the Committee had a wish to go into the question . he was prepared to bring evi dence to the bar to prove the statement-7(4 cry of , No, mg !) So far he was authorized to state, and he trusted that it would be a satisfactory answer to the question put to him by an Honourable Member on a former night, and remove any unfavourable impres sion that might have arisen from the supposition that only £lOOO a year was allowed, as stated by the wit ness tit the bar, for the support of the establishment at Gloucester-place. Mr. CRIPPS returned thanks to the Right Hon. Gentleman for the attention which he had paid to the question put by him on a former night. Every Gentleman must be convinced, that whatever might be the result of this investigation, it was desirable to obviate, if possible, at the outset, the effect of the im pression, which might be made 6y an erroneous re presentation of the state of the case. First impres sions were generally strongest, and it was with a view to prevent the effect of an erroneous impres sion, that he had put the question he did on a for mer night. The answer of the Right Honourable Gentleman was as specific as it well could be. As he was upon his legs, he should observe, that however this inquiry might terminute, the Duke of York would have one consola ion arising on it-; because, without the opportunity afforded by it, the unparalleled re gularity with which the business of the army was conducted at the Horse Guards, as detailed in the evidence of Colonel Gordon, would not, have been given to the public. Mr. CREEVEY wished to know whether the sum of £3570 was over and above her allowance of £lOOO a-year, which the puke of York agreed to pay Mrs. Clarke. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that that sum included all the sums paid by I drafts upon his Royal Highness's banker for Mrs. "Clarke's establishment. As to the other sums which had been pied on the same account, as no memoranda respecting them were to be found , they, of course, were not comprehended in the sum stated ; but he apprehended, that the £lOO6 a year must be included: Mr. BERESFORD observed, that this was one of the most serious inquiries-that had ever been car- I ried on before Parliament, or the public. I t was not lonly the impression it made on that-House, but on ' the City. and• the country in general, that was to be i considered. It was vain for them to shut their eyes to any part of the case, and suppose that t here by' I they would shut the eyes of. the nation. It was com petent to any Member of the Committee to state what he heard in every part of the town upon the subject, from personsuf strong sense.and sound judg-, . . ment. The impression was—LA cry k forder ! order !) I The CHAT RMAN observed, that he understood OMAS TURTON observed, that the I the Honourable Member to have risen to put a ques-, of the Noble Lord was a ground for not ' tion to the Right Honourable Gentleman on the floor;, the letter upon the minutes, because , if otherwise be was out of order. ins:l led, Miss Taylor, General Clavering, I Mr. BERES IOU) said, that he had intended to : llnnieroes O ffi cers whose names had been , cenclude what be had to say with a question ; .but as in this investigation, would have a right ,he was not suffered to go on , he s h ould- pu t his ques similar insertion for any letter they might ition—" Do you know that the Duk e of York did p a y iecessary to write. Colonel Tucker might , any and what sum towards keeping the 'house in ,ed at the Bar, if he had any thing to offer : Gloucester -place for Mrs. Clarke, in addition to the ) tic which had been mentioned in the course lOOOl. per annum • ii . - airy. I The CHANCELLOR of the ERC.II 4 EQUER nothing of the allowance of •retary CANNING admitted that in strict replied, that he kr/kw CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER.) TO u first communicate this fact, that you larke say, she could forge the Duke of i :tire ? A. To Lady Haggerstone.—Q. A. About three weeks ago, or some cannot say exactly, but I look upon it it time.—Q. Was any application made ,w whether you could give any informa. • subject, or did you of your own accord tettion it first to Lady Haggerstone ? lurse oi conversation, observations were ie thing or another, when she brought affair, and I mentioned this circum ty Haggerstone, I suppose, told it, and I e have been summoned here to give evi. Was the impression upon your mind that. ould imitate the hand-writing of the :ility ? A. No, Sir; yet she copied that ;ewed me for the Duke's hand-writing T. Tunrox.) Do you mean to say that ould imitate the hand-writing, of the with great ease ? A. She copied that te extremely well. I never sate her. copy r. C. ADAMS.) How long is it since you larke a lesson the last time ? A. That without reference to my books.—Q. Did part good friends A. Yes.—Q. Had en any quarrel or animosity between you? -Q. Was there never any questitn re payment of her debt to you ? A. There `ad you ever any dispute upon that sub one whatever. ‘e paid you all that was due to you ? Have you had any conversation with about raising money ? A. I have.—Q. istauce of the conversation upon that sub le said that the Duke wanted money, and to apply to a certain peron for a loan. — ever say Jew King would lend the mo le requested me to go to Jew King on !ss was then ordered to withdraw. .MPI,E informed the Committee, that the was to prove the hand-writing of Lieute• Tucker was read} to appear at the bar, 'ER was consequently called in, and stated frequently seen I .ieutenant•Colonel - Fucker .hat the letter read by the Chairruan was MILE moved, that the letter be placed ttcs. • stated, that it appeared to him to admit the letter upon their minutes. If do that, Miss Taylor would have a simi ) have the letter she addressed to an Hon. 'aced equally on the minutes. NI I'LL thought the two cases, as bearing o each other, ought to be separated and at their own grounds. The fact was, that idcuce that Major Tucker's name was on by Mrs. Clarke to the Duke of York, and iy as Major Tucker was no more, his bro re,:cuc his memory from the aspersion. therefore, ought to be placed on the mi- 10001. a-year, but fro the witness at the Bar. He never knew any thing of it from his Royal ifghness. ....What he had stated, he had taken from a paper which he had in his hand, and which was an account of drafts paid to Messrs. Armer, Lucas, and Co. for the establishment in Gloucester-place, from January, 1804, to June 1806. Lord HENRY PETTY rose to order. He had understood it to be the rule of the Committee, that each witness should answer only to facts within his own knowledge, from which rule the statement of the Right Honourable Gentleman was a departure. The CHANCELLOR ref the EXCHEQUER replied, that he had only answered to a question put ; and however irregular that question might be, an objection to-- it would come with propriety from any other quarter. Mr. WHITBREAD admitted, that the Right Honourable Gentleman was not to blame, but insis ted, that it was impossible to place his statement upon the minutes. Mr. FULLER insisted that the statement must be placed somewhere or other. An Honourable Member had put a question, whether no more titan 10001. had been allowed f(a- the establi%rnent in Glou cester-place, leaving it to be inferred, that the rest was to be supplied by sinister means. When the Chan cellor of the Exchequer, or any common Member like himself, came forward with a statement to do away such an impression, it ought to be placed upon the minutes, and no honest matt could object to it. (Loud cries of Order, Order.) Mr. CRIPPS declared that he had been misunder stood by the Honourable Gentleman, as he had put the question in order to obviate any such impression as that alluded to by the Honourable Gentleman. Mr. FULLEit..—" Then, Sir, any answer to your question is sufficient (Order! Order! Order!) Any an swer to your question—(Order! Order! Order!) Any answer to your question is sufficient. (Louder tries of Order! Order! Order!) Why am I out of order ? Why am I out of order? Why not give an opportunity of making known the answers through the same medium as the question ? Mr. BERESFORD stated, that his wish had been when he rose before, to move that the statement of the Chancellor of . the Exchequer should be placed oh the minutes, as they were the only true representation of their proceedings. Lord FOLKESTONE rose to ask a question of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, but was called to order by Mr. Secretary CANNING, who objected to any examination of his Right Honourable Friend, becausu he had not stood forward as a witness, but merely pro duced a statement in answer to a question which had been put to Lim. Lord FOLKESTONE had not meant to examine the Right Hon. Gentleman, though he saw no reason why he should not, if necessary, be examined as well as any other Member of the Coipmittee. The Noble Lord then put a question respecting the amount bf some drafts, and the times at which they Were drawn, to which the Chancellor of the Exchequer replied, in sums of £2uo and £l5O each ; and between January, 1804, awl May, 1806. Sir G. WARRENDEP. thought that the course suggested by the Right Hon,Gentleman, of referring the matter to a Select Committee, would have been the wisest. . Lord TEMPLE, in this protracted investigation, deprecated any proceeding, such as the appointment of a Select Committee, which would protract it still more. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained. Mr. FULLER. then said, after the statement of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, he would ask of the House and of the public, whether they would wish that more than appears in his statement should be expended upon the baggage who has appeared at the Bas.—( Laughing, ana loud creel of Order, Order !) " If, I, Sir, had been allowed to proceed as I wished, I should long since have stopped this foolish, this silly inquiry.—(Ordr, Order, Order.) —The first six ques tions that were put to her at the-liar, were enough to shew her shuffling aad prevarication."—(Loud cries of Order, Order, Order.) A Meta= iiiat tile impression made - by the statement of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. was, that the 45000 were in addition to the £IG3 z, mentioned by the Right Honourable Gentleman. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated that the £js7o were included in the total sum of E 16,761. Sir GEORGE WARRENDER wished to know whether £16,000 was the utmost limit of the expence gone to by his Royal Highness on that occasion. ' Mr. Secretary CANNING stated, that when his Right Hon. Friend mentioned that sum, it was only to negative the statement which had been made by the witness (Mrs. Clarke), and which had gone very far abroad, that the Duke did not allow her more than £3900 in three years. The object, however, of the statement was by no means to ascertain what had really been paid, but merely to negative an erroneous statement which had made some imp e:,sion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the only reason why he doubted whether those papers ought to be. referred to a Committee,' was, that it would be very hard to bring the matter to any thing like legal proof. All the proof that there could be of the payment of the £5570, could only be that such sums had been paid by the Duke's bankers, and that packets had afterwards been sent by the Duke of York to Mrs. Clarke. Whether those packets did or did not contain the sums stated as having been re ceived from the bankers, could only appear by the asseverations of the Duke of York. As that was not legal proof, he doubted of the propriety of leaving the papers to a Committee. After some desultory conversation, it wavresolved, that the letters taken at Captain Sanden's Mans should, when proved, be read in evidence. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed, that it would be better not to permit the witness, Mrs. Clarke, who was to prove the hand writing, to read the contents of the letters. It oft:hi , happened that witnesses chose to read the letters bit-: fore they would, acknowledge their hand-writing, and that at least presarcd them for On examination which was to follow. • It appeared- to be the muse of the Committee that the Chairman should admonish Mrs. Clarke that she' was pot to read the letters produced ro her, but sim- kl ply to state, upon looking . at them, whether or lin they were her hand-writing. Mrs. CLAftrut was then called, and was accordingly admonished by the Chair. Near forty letters were then shewn to Mrs. Clarke, and she was asked whe ther they were her hand-writing? She barely looked at the letters separately, and admitted without hosia tation that they were her hand-writing. • The letters which were taken at Mr. Sanden't chambers, were then put in and read. The first tail to Capt. Sanden, from Mrs. Clarke, dated Holy street, Cavendish-square, and was to the foil:mina:: effect : Tr " DEA& Slit—You appear to have forgotten that there is sink; a perion es me in the world. Pray, write to me, and let me knoll'. Col. French's address. Forgive the trouble that is given you by . u Yours, "M. A. CLA axe' The second letter was dated front Bedford-row, Russel square, and mentioned that she was there with her mother, where she was afraid she would be obliged ta stay the whole summer. She again asked the address of Colonel French, with whom she stated she bad particular business. Mr. CROAKER then stated, that the generality of the letters were without date, and that it was im possible for the Committee to settle what was the chronological order of them. The next letter read was, merely requesting that Captain San-' den would call on Mrs. Clarke the next day, at Gloucester-place, The fourth letter stated to Captain Sandell, " that she (Mrs. Clarke) had conversed with a great many persons who were thoroughly acquainted with that sort of business, and that she had been tuld, and was thorough:y convinced, that the ratiney which was pild was too little, and that the Captkins ought to pay at least £5O more. She wished that this should be stated td bacon and Spudding." She next intreated Captain Sandcn to endeavour to persuade some Members to come up and give, a vote for Mr. Pitt's motion (on the Defence Bill). Site bid him be cautious of Mr. Corti, whom he knew to be a story-teller. The next appeared to relate to Colonel French's levy. She.,sta ted that she N% 0111 d do the business, but must have £lOOO at first. It also stwed, that the Duke of Cambridge had then -iteaes, and that in raisieg the men it would be better not to be very particu lar oboe their being Protestants. She added, " Pray when you go upon business, put on a nice pair of boots." elm next letter expressed a strong wish that Mr. Spedding would call upon her. She added, " Can you get half a dozen men that want interest, for I want money, which is the most im perious of all wants. I must infringe on Tommy Greenwood's rights." The next letter was aboul Colonel French's levy, and mention ed that the Duke said they must get on somewhat faster, and send the privet number of men forward. The neat was about Major Tonyn's business, and stated that the Duke had neither seen the Ger eval nor his son for a long time ; and that his Royal Highness was fearful that Captain Tonyn would be GaztAted too soon, and wished to stop it for a short time. The next was from Mrs. Clarke, requesting Captain Sanden not to come to her box at the Opera that night, as Greenwood would be there, with both the Royal Dukes, and it might be hurt ful to both their intereststhat they should be seen together. In the next, Mrs. Clarke mentioned that Tonyn could not be Gazetted fur a mouth. She mentioned that she was to go to Vauxhall on the next Monday, which was the only day she could. go in the season, as the Duke of York was to be at the House of Lords that say to vote for his (Mr. Pitt's) motion. She haJ told his Royal Higuness that she should go to Vauxhall, and would be glad to meet Captain Sanden there, to speak on different mat. It ! 1 ters of business. Several other letters were then read, asking for different stunk of money, a:, it appeared, on account of Colonel French's levy. The next, besides mentioning the specified sum of 500 guineas, requested that as to the 6 0 guinea harp , which h e h ad proentwei her, lie might send her something elegant--a hundred guinea cur. Next followed a note.requesting him to try to get her some votes for Mr. Pitt's motion. The next was to the following effect : " Before 1 leave taken, I scratch a few lines to you to put you on your guard, and at to my name in particular, never breathe it. lam confident thatyote have a number of enemies, and I yesterday heard your name as sailed with invectives froze. different quarters. The Duke wet A lisle sulky in the evening, and woula not tell me what was the matter. Tell Xereites that when Terlyn is gazetted, his business shall be done. •1 he price of a IVla;artty now ought to be 700 guineas." . There were some letters respecting Mr. Spedding, whom she appeared anxious to have preneeed. She stated that the Duke, having reviewed the regiment to which he belonged, was very angry, and swore at them a good deal. He even stopped the pro motions of the officers for two years. Nevertheless, she requested that Spedding would send a list of his services, that Lie rnig:.t be promoted. In a subsequent letter, when Captain Spedding wish ed to be put on half-pay, she said there was serviwiy who was very :leery, and thought tha. he had not used, her well. , There were , 3everal J t ter letters pressing Cap . anden to send diffete. t sum- of money : one of which appeared to b.. on 4ceount of Colonel i le mil s itvy. It complained that Coionel Ft end.. had drop,.ed three guineas a man, although he had obtained (contract te his original proposal) as high a bounty as was given in regi. meets of the line. The next letter, marked 42, was from the Duke of York to j Mrs. Chess, directed to George Farquhar; it was dated from Dover. _. Mrs..CLA ter obs , e-ved, that the seal of this letter, as well as the h awould of Captainldbefound Sanders.th samee As nd the as that other lettej found i nhri Clerkte ig' possessionvir was proceeding to raad If , Mr. Cg.f. 1 .,21F.E. 1 t rose, and said, that it cl;d not ay- . rear to the Committee that any more of the letters had any relevancy to the question at issue. If, how ever, the Honourable Gentleman (Colonel Wardle) thought otherwise, he might call for the reading of t the other letters. Mr. WARDLE said that he did not think they were relevant, and therefore should not press for their being read. Captain HUXLEY SANDE); was brought up in the custody of the Serjeant to be examined. Q (By Lord FuI.KESTONE) From what motive was it t hat at your first examination, you mentioned no thing of the note which you produced yesterday ? A. I really cannot say, but I hope this Honourable House will forgive my conduct last night.--Q. I must re peat My question. I beg to know what motive in duced you not to menden this note when you were before examined ? A. I really had no motive.—de (Shame, shame, from diffirent quarter:. ) Q. Were you not aware that this note was of ant. terial importance to the subject then before the House? A. I certainly was.—Q. Did you not know that you were bound to give to the House all the material in formation you were possessed of ass to the subj, ct upon which you were examinei ? A. I was not aware of that I knew that I was to answer the particular questions that were put to me, but I did pot kno* that it was necessary for me to say more.--Q. Why did you not mention this note when you. were last under examination ? A. I really do not know how to answer that question.a—Q. Why did you dent any knowledge of that note, when you sir r -last un der examination ? A. At that period the note Wits Mislaid.—Q. Did you not know where it was ? A p No, not till I went to my own house. . [Tlqe Committee seemed indignant at an answer so cosur24 to what he gave on th.. preceding night. and that prisoner was ordered to withdraw.] Captain FREMANTLE thought, that if Captain Sanden was to be examined any further, the Chairman ought to admonish him, that the House could inflis t still farther punishment upon him if he - et n.inued to prevaricate. This appeared to be. *e sense of the Committee, I I ' 4 ~. A. Yes.--Q J b,...tit her preficiency Then she only 5 Duke of York's hurts rate it in your presence make any observation up A . f did. I observed tt ;; att ,,,—Q. What did sl e i rg ? A. She laughe ) A. She did not I.1••6 • Q, (By Sir THOMAS 1 Clarke produced the sign I.av e you seen the sign a nv where else ? A. Nc ,hebootorn of a letter, or t ,• 3 ; on a square piece of ; I was written upon.—Q, c:ltin the paper ? A. I that the signature Mrs. iirature of the Duke c ? A. I can't say vt;,ten it. Ov Lord FoticEs• ose:i the signatur C..rke to have imitated i tO sign three ways. bans; a nd - which of the t lam certain it was one not sure whether it was A. I can't positively sa: Q (By a MEMBER.) profession, else of yocr pupils to form letters in lishment to the flowers, Should you know the h; which Mrs. Clarke i Duke of York's ? A. she copied from one wh was the Duke's, I shout ?tits. Clarke say she cot or only the signature ? tate the signature. Q. (By Mr. BARVA: the formation of letters ioiting that was 51y,;;,.,. Ycs•—Q: Vs crier wai was x igain hand.--Q ;eitated the Duke of Y she did ; she told me sl Q. You must have b Clarke. It is not usu, coafidenee of the partie the confidence of Mrs. ve:e not at all in the c No, Sir. Q. (By the CIIANC whom did you first c heard Mrs. Clarke sa York's signature ? A. At what time ? A. A what more. I cannot to be about that time.— to you to know wileth ton upon this subject, voluntarily mention ii A. In the course of nade upon one thing op the Duke's affair, stance. Lady Hagga in consequence have b dence.—Q. Was the i Mrs. Clarke could in Duke with facility ? which she shewecl ml Fqtcctly. Q. ( By Sir T. Tun Mn. Clarke could it Doke of York with g she skewed me extren • any other writing. • Q. (By Mr. C. Ar gave Mrs. Clarke a I 1 cannot S'AV without ▪ yr.o and she part b , i-ot there ever been an yqi ▪ A. Never.—Q. Wa specting the payment Had you a ? A. None wha Q. Has she paid ▪ F No.—Q. Have Mr.. Clarke about r: State the substance c • jest? A. She said ti desired me to apply • Q. Did you ever sa ? -A • She reqn le suliject. Lae witness was t Lord TEMPLE i f person v.-ho was to :aat•Colunel Tucker arid prove it. Mr. P be h it :l %m was that frequent t mite, and that the t Irind • , o.c. EMPLE minutes. BATHUR S g•hlc to admit y t. f • '• ould do that .m, to h a ve t i , placed NI TIOMI'LL . . ••,c- .o each • . . . • t.pcin their I • R i d, rice t e vri; by Mrs as Mt rest' 11x . therefu: t THOMAS I. tri• • of the if ;5 arrattin g the lett `" tt were all the wtmeri is ' l ' -I '" e d• in this a similar It necessary E :xamined at t h e topic whit] .c tr;galry. Secretary ( •