Star. — London, England, 1816-06-08 00:00:00

• - ani Meal situation ) Lord Elgin himself geograP- - ' • h a d said, that be had entered into the expedition for the very purpose of gaining these marbles; what e ose he d the 3ritish Ambassador had as tn.' be PlPsisted the Turks against the French army in Egypt, piniefer the citadel of Athens ! he hoped hat he mig ht t that t he House would not a;eree to tho placing in the oue i`Moselim a monument t t eta eternal dis - The The Member concloded by F ce. mov ing, as an amendment, a Resolution -0 That the Committee re g rets that the Earl of Elgin forgot the di g nity of the ..kmbassador from Great Britain, in order to n o session of the Marbles be had brought front Greece to it -- iL ot ei ; that X-2.5,000 should be voted for them, to recover Ltd c ollect them togethet, that they mightbe kept in trust in case tiny skou 'd ever afterwards be elaimud , an d, t h a t a ne g eeiation should i m mediately he catered into towards their res:oration." - Mr. CROKER defended the motion. He was ast onished that the classical speech of the Honourable Centlenian should be followed by so farcical a Reso lution. The Noble Lord had never intended to bring meat , the stems till he found that many had been ounde to d in trotter, and then, rather than allow hers be so treated, ' lie brought them away alto. getheri instead of taking casts, which be had at first intended. He had risen to speak to those two facts, that there had been very great spoliation and destruc tion on the part of the Turks, and that Lord Elgin never intended to bring the marbles away till he f oun d that they were likely to he entirely destroyed. Lord Elgin had not done much in this transaction when he was Ambassad ,, r. Mr. Serjeant 131„ ST did not think that Lord Elgin b a d acted properly, as the representative of this co untry, in bringing away those marbles. It was i m possible for a man properly to conduct himself as the representative of his own Government if he did not keep himself entirely independent of the Court at which he resided. It was clear that Lord Elgin bad esceeded the authority of the Turkish Govern ment knowingly, and in despite of his own interpre tation of the fir man. If lie had advanced the arts be had done what had tended to lower the opinion of f o reigners on our character and on our integrity. He objected to the vote on a ground higher than economy, namely, on the ground of justice. Mr. W. WYNNE defended the motion, on the ground that no remonstrance had been made by the Turkish Government for any miiconstruction of the irinan. lle did not think that the example would be often I.llowed, where only 2E35,000 was given for an expenditure of .tie-1,000. No one, he believed, had not regretted that the Houghton Collection had not been put chascd t and en the whole he considered, that the purchase of these marble. would be of the greatest benefit to the arts. A torciiy,ii Power had made offers to purchase them, and he thought it of the greatest importance to retain them in the country. Sir J. NEWPORT considered the whole of this troeaction as must unjustifiable, and upon that ground, as well as the impropriety of voting 435 ; 000 for such a purpose, at a time when the table of the House was moaning with Petitions complaining of the distresse, ot the people, he should oppose the motion. Mr. C. LONG denied ' that there WAS any thing dishonouraL le on the part of, Lord Elgin, or in =q uire affecting the character of this country. If the opportunity ot purchasing these marbles now were lost, it would never occur -again. Lord MIL'T'ON was aware that an apolrgy might be expected tram ell those who objected to a g reat that was to put the country in possession of these monuments ot ancient art. He could net, however, agree that they had been acquired consistently with the strict rules of morality ; and saw no advantage that could be derived from the purchase of them.— As the House were now about to vote so large a sum, he wished them to ask themselves this important question—a While in many parts of the country the poor are literally starving; while riots and distur bances have actually arisen from the want of the means of subsistence, can we, as the Representatives of that people, and the Legislators of a great nation, entertain the ides of deliberately team tug that sum from them, and expending it for no purpose, but the gratification of a taste for Shaw ?"—(lfear„ear.) A question so important deserved attention ; and, considering it as involving most serious consequences, be decidedly oppos.:d the grant., Mr. PETER MOORE compared the urgent argil seem of the Right Honourable Gentleman opposite (Mr. Long) for the purchase of those Marbles, to that of an Auctioneer preparatory to knocking down his article—" Going, going, going."—(a/ laugh.)— The thing must be done in a hurry, it seems, or not at all--µ Now or never" was the motto. If we did not buy them, somebody else would, it was said.— Now, be would beg leave firscto ask, who was this expected purchaser, if we did not buy ? and, secondly, whether those Marblei were not at present under se questration, in the hands of the Officers of Govern ment for a debt due to the Crown ?.--(lkar, hear). — If the latter were correct, then we had the Marbles, without the necessity of making a purchase at all.- - (Hear, hear).—To those two qnestions he hoped to raeive a plain answer.— ( Year, hear, hear).—lf, in i'edt the House were willing so easily to dispose of 43 5 Aft. the people of England ought to have the book of the inoitey. He would put in a claim for it in behalf of his Constituents in Coventry—(4 laugh) --whose state of distress needed every aid that could be afforded. Let those who, in their admiration for broken heads and shoulders of Statues, would en e 'tinter this expense, answer his questions, first as to t to circa:kJ purchaser, and •next as to the sequestra "lut the Elgin Marbles— ( Mar, hear, hear).—They (ight surely be answered before the House went to a deesion on the subject. . Mr. BROUGHA NI felt obliged to give a reinc alt vote against the motion. The possession of those 1r irks of rut would unquestionably be most desirable, not only as objects of admiration, but as models for tie general improvement of our arts and the refine. mem of our taste. Fully concurring in the great value of. this intended purchase,' he would yet, as in the case of a private individual who wished a parti. cular article for his own use, first suggest the inquiry, *ether the country had money to spare for this pur- C hase ? If we bought the marbles, we should next erect a place to deposit them in. This would proba bly make the expense £71),000, or in common lan guage be throwing good money after bad. (at laugh.) Valuable as were these works, and they could not be 1 " highly rated, we were too poor to purchase them. Wa s do • s a time, when they stood pledged lio their oaatituents, to propose such an appropriation of the Kik mo ; f. , • in . ‘..ertasnly not. We were then in the sitnatioa of a private individual, who saw a thing' going from 'him that he longed to possess, owing to his inability to become the purchaser.—(Near,hetsr.) In rejecting this motion, the House would be pecu. culiatly redeeming its pledge of economy, because it wc.uld chew, that even this great temptation to be extravagant, could not swerve it horn its pledge to the public.—(hear, hear.)—lt would have b:en de- sirable to have possessed the Pigot Diam.)nd, as being the finest preductivn of that kind in nature; the ef i tol/0 Behoidere would have Leen also a great accinibition : but both, Zvi.re beyond our reach. So, , indeed, would this collection, for the loss of which our only consolation would be, the inadequacy of our funds to meet such an expense. Lord MILTON and Mr. BROUGHAM seve rally explained. Mr. LONG said. that no expense of building could arise, as the Trustees of the British Museum had con sented to have them depbsited there. Mr. I'. MOORE said, the collection would not be lost, if there WAS no other person in treaty for its purchase. Mr. J. P. GRANT -would vote for the purchase of the collection, from a feeling that works of the kind were calculated to advance the wealth of the country, by their addition to the stock of fine arts.— The House was bound to economise, but not at the expense of the general interest. (Hear, hear) The question being loudly called for, the House divided, when the numbers were—For the motion B'2 —Against it SO—Majority in favour of the pur chase 52. On our re-admission to the Gallery, we found the House discussing the usual Estimates for the Miscel laneous Services. Mr. WYNN was on his legs re quiring an explanation of the sum for the Society for the Propagation of Christian Knowledge in Canada. Mr. GOULBURN explained, it was the usual Grant. Mr. J. P. Git ANT required a further explanation. Mr. FORBES disliked the Missionary system. — He was Oen proceeding to comment on the ill con sequences that had flown from the agitation of the Slave Registration Bill, when Mr. BROUGHAM observed, that ibis observation had nb re:erence whatever to the subject•matter in debate; it would be much more in time on Tuesday next, when his Right Hon. Friett:l (Mr. Wilberforce) meant to bring the question before them. After a new words front Mr. Fonnes and Mr. MARIIYAT, the Resolution WAS agreed to. • On the question of the Annual Grant for the ser •ice of the Colony of New south Wales— Mr. FORBES observed, that the Governor was very inadequately paid. He had five times less than he ought to have. Mr. P. MOORE replied, that if he had five times too hale, other Governors had fiV.: times ton much. Mr. HILEY ADDINGTON, on the Resolution for defraying the expenses of the Alien Office, stated that a considerable reduction had taken place in that department. The. Right Hon. Gmtleman also allud ed to the statement of an Hon. Member (Mr. Baring) relative .to Monsieur Labouchere, which, he could now state, was wholly incorrect. He was prepated to disprove the wliole statement. The sum of £44,009 was then voted to defray the tXpenses of the Storekeeper-tieneral's Department. 2405,240 9s. ►O.l. for the Commissariat Service. 43780520 for the barmen Inpe.uueua. $15,000 for the Relict of the American Loyalists. seSpost for the support of the National Vaccine Establlshmot. 592,95 u for the repair of King Henry Vil.'s Chapel; and 2C66,000 to detray the expenses.of Printing the several Acts, Reports, and Journals of both Noma of Parliament. The House was then resumed, and the Report was ordered to be brought up on Monday. 'the Agricultural Committee was postponed to Friday next. The Dividend Trauster Bill went through a Committee, and the Report was ordered to be brought up on Monday. Ttse other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at HALL -PAST Ore, till Monday next. THE EVENING STAR. LONDON. SA.ttRDAY, JUNE 8, 1816. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT 1 WELVE O'CLOCK* Itvilace4l 621 f —Cons. shut—for opening 64 4 per Cent. 741-5 per Ceat. Navy shut—Poach par Is. pr. Onnauat gait—Do. pay. 24—Eichequer Rills, go. dig. Is. pr. The friends of Science and the Arts, and, comp* ratively speaking, there are few in this country who are not admirers of the Fine Arts—will rejoice that the Elgin Marbles have been secured to the nation, and. are to be placed in the British Museum. The chief objection urged in the House of Commons last night to the purchase of this invaluable collection, was the cost, 835,000, which, at such a period of distress, the country could but ill afford to pay. This objec tion, we confess, has no weight whatever with us.:— Poor as we are there is a possibility of raising that sum, or ten times that sum, at any time; but you cannot, at any time, procure such works dart in return for your money—or for any price whatever. In fact, they are beyond estimation ; and had three times the' price been paid fa. them they would have been a cheap purchase. Our own opinion is, that the nation should still consider itself indebted to Lord ELGIN. These monuments of Art actually cost his Lordship, in principal and interest, between sixty and seventy thousand pounds I The question of a new Coinage was again discus sed last night in the House of Commons. The idea mentioned lately in the STAR has been adopted ; our gold pieces. are in future to be of 20s. value—not 21s. This will give great facility in money transactions; for every kind of money calculations, not resting on the decimal division, exposes the man of business to delays and errors in his business. Indeed, we think the suggestion of Mr. CHOKER, to bring our shillings also to the decimal ratio, would be a great improve tnent—say ten pence equal one shilling...ten shil lings equal a half gnineagof the new 20s. value. As the question of establishing uniform weights and measures throughout the kingdom must again come before Parliament, would it not be of great ad vantage in these also, to adopt the decimal division throughout kRENCHZesPtRS. We have received the Paris Papers of Monday. Tuesday, and Wecm:day. The Grenoble Traitor DIDISR, is to be ivied by the Pr.votal Conn of th: District wl.lcli was the scene of his atrocities. It would bars 1 ran higl ly absurd to have brought I.im to Paris, as once proposed. The that case, would have had a new opportunity o! put). lishing to the world their abominable doctrines. An article from Madrid assures us that the Royal Armies hive quelled the insurrections Pt every poi:a of South America. We doubt this much. The KING has taken into his own hands the final arrange 'ments respecting the property of taose who have fled from his mild and paternal govzrnzmnt , : thlt is to say, he wants to appropriate all their funds to him. sell. Can Spain be said to enjoy any thing like the shadow of a Constitution, when her Sovereign can say to the Judges : 66 Try the cause—decide as you please—but I shall revise all your decrees !" • PARIS, JUNE 5. To-day the first Council of War will try General Bonnaire and Lieutenant Micten, his Aid-de-camp, accused of having fired on Colonel Gordon, who was sent with a flag of truce into the fortress of Conde to summon it in the name of the King. Prince Talleyrand, on Sunday, officiated as Grand Chamberlain of France to the King. _ _ _ Some Journals have announced the death of Mar shal Augereau.' This news is false, for his Lady has received letters which announce that her husband is, on the contrary, much better. The Rector of the Thoulouse Academy has sus- 1 rended from his functions M. Saserac, teacher in the town of Caraman, who had, before witnesses, used espreisions disrespectful to the legitimate authority. The Rector has besides ordered that M. Saserac's school shall be immediately shut. and has insisted on its being dissolved . by the Commission for Public Education. Four persons condemned to death as 's Vultures of Bonaparte," have been executed at Mons. Several Ex-Commandants of French fortresses are about to be tried for their infamous waste of human lives in holding out against the King's troops (luting the usurpation. General Laurent, who costmand,:d at Monsnedi, is on thii list. A person has been arrested nen- 13nyon . ne who had arrived from Pais with treason.iLl:: in his pocket. The French emigrants who have sought refuge in Switzerland, or are on their way through that coun try for their destination in the Austrian States, have incurred the suspicion of being actively employed in propagating their revolutionary principles on their passage. Great vigilance is, in consequence, used in Piedmont and the Milanese to prevent the introduc tion of incendiary writings, and strangers of suspicious character, into these countries. A great number of French and Spanish ships have arrived in the port of Genoa, which is blocked up with shipping. The merchants begin to engage in speculations, to which the guarantees of peace give prosperity, and have sent off great quantities of goods to the Levant, Germany, and.all the ports of Italy. GRENOBLE. MAY so. • A few evenings since the Generoliwas suddenly beat, and instantly the %%hole of the military here, horse and foot, were under arms, amid shouts of Fiot k Rci I Many of the inhabitants als®•insisted on joining them to restore tranquillity, it it had been disturbed. General Donadieu, after visiting all the guard-rooms, and finding every person at his pest, returned to the parade, thanked the troops fur their zeal and loyalty, and assured them that there was no cause whatever for alarm. The troops then dis. persed amid reiterated shouts of Five le Rd ! Didier is to be tried forthwith by the Cour Prevo tale, according to orders from Government. • • MADRID, MAY Si. The cause of legitimacy triumphs in both hemis pheres. The rebels of the whole South American Continent have been every where beaten. The King has reserved to himself the definitive judgment tS all the proceedings relative to the se. questration of the property of expatriated or .refugee ', Spaniards. The Intendants will decide first, and the I appeal from their decisions will lie, if the parties re quire it, to the Council Of Finances. In all cases his Majesty will revise the senynces, and approve them or not, as he pleases. We may safely predict that the intervention of the Sovereign is not to be dreaded : his Majesty every day gives fresh proofs of his jus. Lice and indulgence. Absentees may plead by their attorniei : they will be fully heatd by the tribunals, who will appreciate their excuses or defence. PADUA, MAY it . On pretence of attending the Courses of our Uri versity, during some time past, a great number o persons, who, by their age, have exceeded the period of study, have assembled in this city. The Police had good reason to be assured that they bad belonged Ito the army, and were, for the most part, strangers, whose presence was likely to disturb the tranquillity, , and corrupt the good disposition that reigns here.— Accordingly, the Commissaries of Police visited the houses of the suspected persons, and found uniformb of the kingdom of Italy, and other proscribed dit linctive marks. They have been ordered to their na tive places. Fifteen individuals have been given to ' the Papal Government-; the caber eight belong to the South of Italy. . • At4r.:l-14 . AMERICAN PAPERt Nt"' York .Papers to the 17th tilt. ati r rlvSi morning, but their contents are . Of littleimportance. We hay , : also received Nassiu Papers to the Aril, from which the following it , an extract: [qr. - )!ti TIM v t/ARIAtt 0/114TTR. APRIL 3%) " Two par.i:Traphs hay,: Apr . eared in * Charleston Paper, the first of 29 lacbruary last, reflecting upon the ConlnliMifilit Department of Ws girrisoa, a* being tl.c cause of a mutiny among the ?moos—it is true that some discontent was .manife:..ed ,y a few of the men of the 2.1 W,:st India Itt-giment Olt no new titiar took place), and flirt on is quirt' -.vecannot at ',remit know any thing ; hut as far as rt.port gnee, and a great &at has be-.: said on the subject, neither the Oilicer at the head of the Commissariat, nor any one' in the Department have ever been accused of any thing improper,; and further, we are authorised to contradict such report—we bilieve that it never %vat hinted at here ; and Low at Charleston we cannot colt. . lecture. It is to be regretted, that the fabricatorsuf such injUrious calumnies could not be got at and pu nished. The Charleston Editor, it is true, upon mori correct information, contradicted it.liimsea." We have received Brussels Papers to the 4th inst. —lt appears that the 13th, the anniversary of the Battle of Waterloo, will be' celebrated with great éclat throughout the whole of the Netherlands, and by the various contingents of, allied troops in France.— We fear the latter part of the ceremony will lead to disturbances, and it will be most wise to omit it. NAVAL mirELLIGEATE. FALMOUTIT, JUNE s.—Arrived the Prince Ernest packer, with a Mail from Lisbon in 16 days. By het we learn, that the Hinehitearooke packet. Captain FORSTER. (acting only ), was unfortunately lost on Cape St. Vincent's, on 7th ult. The crew, passengers, and mail, all saved. The Mail was forwarded to Gibraltar by a small vessel, -hired for the purpose.— The packet had gone to pieces. PLYMOUTH. JUNE the Jar .TlOlll of war, on a cruize.—Wind N. Poliroovret, JuNE 7.---Arrived the Nestor, Timicatt, from the Downs, bound for Bengal. HARWICH. June 7.—SaiNd the Auckland packet, for Coshaeon with a Mail and passengers. DEAL: JUNE 7.—Came dawn from the River Wse n;p,lit anti pits , ,ed through the Downs, the Fenny, WEsnacittEtaxo, D.Plerna. S3ll 'd for the River Lhii m acing, the Tullezk Castle, Gut.I.E:J, from Ji maica ; Commerce. --, from Demerara ; Mary, HARRY, from the Med:..orranean ; and Europa, MAN NING, from St. Kitt', Wind W. Conte, JUNE 3.—Arrived yesterday, his Majesty's ship MUtQUIDOCIT, from a cruize. Arrived to-dar, his Majesty's ship HELICON, from a cruize. Saile.i ' yesterday, the Hound transport, with part of the 11th and 27th Regiments of Foot on board, for Portsmouth. RasISGATI, JUNE 7.—Yesterday it blew exceedingly hard, pretty well the whole day, at N.W. which caused the Galloper light vessel to break from her moorings, and drifted about a mile and a half before she was again brought up. As soon as the weather moderated a little, Captain SritivEss (the Agent for the Floating Lights in this quarter) went off in one of the light tenders to afford assistance, and she has now got back to her old station. We have had no arrivals from Ovend for two or three days, owing probably to the violence of the winds. A Gentleman arrived this moaning, at Lord CA!. TLEREAGIi's °like, with Dispatc!yes from America. He is the bearer, we understand, of the official copy of the American Tariff: The PRINCE Reca.:wr, after dining with the Royal Party. at Gloucester House, on Thursday, went to Csmellord House to see his beloved and royal daughter, and sat with her about half an hour. Her Royal Highness had a better night on Thursday, and was better yesterday than the day before ; and that was the general answer given to the numerous inquirers. Mr. CANNING arrived at Liverpool on Wednesday, and immediately introduced himself to his constituents by a rpeech, from the balcony of the house of Coto. nel BOLTON. After Mr. Camr.incr had finished his address, a great scene of r . rt and confusion envied between the friends of M.. LEYLAND, the Other can ' didate, and Mr. CANNIFG'S supporters ; from words they came to blows, and much mischief occurred ; the popular party bloke the v. ifidnies of Mr. GLAD.. LTANea house, and several others of the known frienc's of 111 r. CANNING ; for some time the town remainect in a state of tumult : at length p: ace was restored, and the populace returned to their homes withott doing any further mischit.l.—Mr. LEYLAND II IS sine:: resigned his pretensions, and, of course, Mr. CANNINQ will be el cted without fur 'her opposition. Ye today a Court of Direct.ors was held at the East-India House, when the ship l'itiNce.s A MELIA, of 1200 tons, was ordered to be afloat the 13th inst. sail to Gravesend the 22d, stay there fifteen days, and be in the I)3wns the 13. sh July. A young Officer, w 1.3 arrived at Liverpool a few days ago, from the Cape el Good Hope, on his way t') England, saw BONAPARTE at St. Helena, and had 4 the oivrtunity of a short conversation with him.— He describes tare Ex-Emperor as looking rather pale and skkly, with something of the appearance of bring bloated ; and understood that he was very impatient of his con iaement. At a little after twelve, this day, EATON, the Bliick , heath Pedestrian, completed his 100th mile ; he seemed in perfect health. • Cherries sold yesterday,. in Covent Garden Market, at 15d. a pound, green peas 84. a quart. Thursday, the 10th ult. a most melancholy cit.- ' cumstance occurred at Bolton, by the failing et a chimney ; as Mrs. Dossos, of the Black Horse public house, which she had conducted for twenty.sevea ' years, was crossing a small yard to a low Lack. ' ki e rc i h y en gav ,th e w ec ay hinmey of which was very high , it %lad dn a moment buriefdro h n e i r, so w m i e til C e au p s e u r t sioutinagpphagrendto, domestic d sti t 0 occupation, a lifeless corpse under its ruins*