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~.•~T, .. r .. ~. - PAR LIAMENTAR r PituCEEDINGS. - floor, for having marked it in various places with a pencil, he should have occasion to refer to it in what he had further to state, respecting its contents and provisions. The Earl of LIVERPOOL rose to order, and ob served, that the Noble Earl, in his opinion, had gone into subjects totally unconnected with the title and nature of the Bill. He had called in question the ad ministration of justice in the Court of Admiralty and the House of Lords. Were these subjects in any way related to the Bill itself, which was to convey certain Isums of unpaid prize-money to Chelsea Hospital (Hear, hear!) The Earl of SUFFOLK said, he should not at this time press his observations further, but all the subjects to which he had alluded were worthy of the most se rious consideration of the House, and he would cer tainly take a future opportunity of bringing them under the attention of that House. The LORD CHANCELLOR left the Woolsack, for the purpose of stating a few observations, which he felt himself impelled to Make on this occasion The Noble Earl had taken this opportunity of making' a charge against-the administration of justice in the Court of Admiralty. The Judge of that Court, andi the Proctor of that Court, had both been brought I under the observation of that House. But he would have the Noble Earl to understand, that he was sore there was not a person employed in the administra tion of law in Doctors' Commons, who would not challenge inquiry into their conduct. The conduct shewn in respect to this Bill, by extending it on the floor, was mummery and mockery. Why, what did', it amount to ? Whys that the Bill was not written in sheets, but lengthways ; whereas, if it had been written in sheets, it would not have been longer than some of the Noble Earl's Bills in Chancery, whose length he believed was sufficiently great. With re spect to the delay talked of in that House, he would ask who was the occasion of its not being remedied. He himself had spent a laborious life, and on a late occasion he had given his best advice, not for his own good, nor with a view to his own assistance, for that could be but of small consideration to him with re.' spect to the residue of his life. The Earl of SUFFOLK asked, if the evils he al luded to did not exist ? Was not this the fact ? And, therefore, had he not a right to complain. With re spect to the Bill itself, he knew the prize-money to be 8000 crowns, and it was only called in the Bill 6000, which he denominated a shameful proceeding. Lord REDESDALE observed, the Noble Earl's observations this day convinced him of what he had already been informed, that both in Parliament and out of doors, there was a systematic plan to bring into contempt the a dministration of law in this country. He thought that causes were expedited now with as much dispatch as in any former period. The Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack had one of the most laborious lives which could be imagined ; indeed, such was the labour of his office at present, that he (Lord Redesdale) was sure he himself could not, on account of his constitution, endure the labour and hardship to which it would expose him. Earl CAMDEN observed, that in the Court of Appeal (the Privy Council) justice was administered in the most expeditious manner, and no Judge paid greater attention to the expediting of causes than the Jude in the High Court of Admir alt y . ' '1 he Earl of SUFFOLK pledged himself that he would, next Session, bring the subject before the House, for the purpose of facilitating justice in the Courts of Admiralty. The Bill was then read a third time and passed. Adjourned at half-past eight to Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The English and Irish Insolvent Debtors Bills were severally read a second time, and ordered to be committed .n Monday. On the motioe of Mr. Rosa, the Parish Register Bill was read ' the second time. It was afterwards committed, and the blanks being filled up, the House resumed, the Report was received, the Bill as am' tided ordered to be printed, and the Report ordered to be taken into further consideration this day month. Lord FOLKSTONE stated, that in consequence of the ab sence of an Hoy . Friend, (we believe Mr. Creevey), ht felt it his duty to inform the House, that that Hon. Gentleman had been prevented, by various circumstances, from bringing forward his motion relative to the conduct of sir George Barlow in India, since the papers relative to the subject had been laid on the table. He begged leave to apprize the House, that the business was not dropped, but would be agitated In the ensuing Session of Par liament. V Mr. HUTCHINSON presEnted a Petition from Merchants and Traders of the City of Cork, making complaint on the exist ing circumstances of trade, which was ordered to lie on the table for eaamivation in the ensuing Session. On the motion of the CHANCLLLeIt of the Excaroura, the Annual Salaries were by vote and address, moved to be granted to Mr. Lusbington and the various Officers of the House of Com mons, for 1811. Lord BINNING inquired, were there any proposals for amen ding the existing system of Stage Coaches 't he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he would submit a legislative measure on the subject in the ensuing Session of Parliament. - • ttoiTss LORDS, FRIDAY, JUNE 21. rho Committee of Privileges on the Berkeley Peerage having t about twelve o'clock, two Officers of the Gloucester'Militia, a Manufactorer of Paper, were examined before their Lord ?s. The Solicitor-General also, in continuation, addressed the n trnittee re lative to the evidence given upon this enquiry. Far r proceedings on Monday, at eleven o'clock. Lord Viscount Menvicte took the oa.hs and his seat. The House was resumed after prayers, and the Bills on the de went through their respective stages. The Irish Spirits Drawback Bill, and the Militia Interchange 1 were read the third time. , Mr. Lostnwo•rosr, Mr. Davies GIDDY, and others from the tuft of Commons, brought up several Bala, which were or red to lie on the table. THE SPIRIT DRAWBACKS' SUSPENSION. pots the Order of the Day for the accord reading of this Bill, Was ordered that Counsel be called in. Ur. DA UPICEY and Mr. WAR RCN accordingly appeared at the , the former as Counsel for the Ensdish, and the latter as imsel for the Irish Distillers. The purport of their arguments behalf of the Petitioners against this Bill, was, that the Irish stiller would have so much a dvantage from the operation of the .visions, which would render it impossible for the Distillers of other two countries to come in competition with. They ved no further adVantage for the Petitioners, but wished that th clauses should be inserted when the Bill should come before e Committee, which would place the three countries on a pa t 1 fssoting, After Counsel had withdrawn, Earl BATHURST shortly cod to t he House his approbation of this measure. If the clause uded to by the. Counsel at the Bar were inserted, it would ouat to a total prohibition between the two c ountries. The Earl of LAUDERDALE contended, that such would be' e operetion of the present Bill, that it would tend to ruin thg laciness ini this country. If the Noble Earl (Bathurst) would eat to a proposition that the Bill should receive in the altera• .ns he had recommended, he would certainly withdraw his op. .sition to the second reading. Even if the clause recommended outi have the effect of .t complete pfoliihition, it would be bet r than the effect of the BiU as it how stood; for perhaps It mild be adviseable that there should be a prohibition until the net could be impartially re g ulated between the two countries. • Bail BATHuttsr could not agree to the proposition, neither ould he approve of making such alterations as would amount a prohibition. Indeed it would he unliecomir.g to adopt such proceeding at this time of the Session, when most of the Mem rs front that country were absent. The question was tbeu put upon the second reading of this Bill, Lich was agreed to without a division. ARMY PRIZES SILL. -Upon the motion for the third reading of this Bill, The Earl of SUFFOLK addressed the House at onsiderable length, upon the subjects to which the sill referred. Seeing some of his Majesty's Minis ers in their places, he would take this opportunity of ailing their attention to a few observations which he ould now offer to their consideration. This . Bill as intended to remedy the abuses, and shameful ey were, which -had prevented the proper disposal .1 prizes. Such was the 'abuse, that at this time here was prize-money to the amount of £250,000 re ainine• in the hands of prize-agents, unappropriated o the persons to whom it was due. He would ask se Noble Secretary whether, when the prize-money houldbe paid to those who were entitled to it, if the nterest also should be paid ? He knew an instance vhere prize-money to the amount of £20,000 had seen lying in the hands of an individual tor about 18 ,ears ; why, in that period, if the interest were se wed to those who had the claim, it would have been .oubled. The prize,money in this situation in the avy was five millions. It was a subject _of great portance, and he suggested the propriety of sub itting the disposal of all prize-money, both in the army and navy, to a General Board of Agency. He l'new the immortal Lord Nelson, who generally sat elide him when he came to the House, and proud cas he (Earl Suffolk) to have the honour ; of sitting o near a hero of such renown; there were also others, early as great as Nelson, who had also informed that, with respect to their prize-money, they ever got the vAole at it. He took occasion to men ion Marshal Bcresforcl, who had so 'eminently dis tinguished himself in the service, and who had lately achieved an action which had saved Portugal, and lirough Portugal had conferred the highest benefit upon this country. Such a man was deserving of cry reward ; and though he was ignorant whether or not his Majesty's Ministers would confer some dis tinguished and peeiiniary compensation fur his illus trious services, he would put them in mind that Mar shal Beresford's prize-money, to the amount of ,00(), had all been lost. He deposited it in the bands of a relation, and he would never regain it; but it Might well be considered by Ministers whether they would not indemnify him for that loss. In the Court of Admiralty, where these prize-causes came to be determined, there was great and justly com plained of abuse, for such were the number of causes, nearly 2000, that a delay of justice must take place to a great extent. He did not wish to speak,trarshly, but a delay of justice to the degree experietietd in this and other Courts became an abuse of justice. that House what were the number of appeals ? Why, he believed, nearly 300, and yet no mode was deter mined on to expedite their discussion. How long was this to go on ? It certainly was shameful that such delay, so ruinous to the parties concerned, should not be remedied. He understood a plan had been proposed by some Noble Friends, and yet that DISTRESSED MANUFACTURERS. plan was not attended to. In the Court of Admiralty, Colonel STANLEY moved, 'that the Report of the Commit with respect to Prize Causes, they were obliged to tee to which the Petitions of die distressed Manufacturers had apply to one Proctor. One Proctor was to be em. been referrcd, should be rhea taken into consideration. h A w N as C o E n L e L w O hi ß .h of d the EX d C t H he E nI QU os E t R ser c i o o ns s idt red id that played for every one ; an d this individual was reap t e subject eC mg an income from this m ode of p roceedin g of be- lion, o give every Gentleman interested an opportunity of tween £20,000 and £30,000 a-year. Why not ap- being present when the subject was discussed, he would move, point more Proctors ? This in dividual was the King's that the Report be taken Into consisieratien on Monday net SIfANL BYshort ly urg ed the propriety of proceeding Proctor ; and when an app eal took p lace he remain -ssecul° ietl businessWHl I'IiREAD i mmedia te ly.who ed Proctor for both part ies. Indeed he thought it Mr . had just entered the House, ex highly incumbent that some remedy should be ap- pressed his regret 'hat the intended discussion had been postpo plied to these great evils. They might extend to an ; tied. He had come to town purposely to deliver his opinions on alarming degree; and if ever a mutiny in the navy ; t he d OCCaSiOD, which he would be prevented front doing on Mon should again occur, he apprehended it was most t l e v y , g the er Reportcouldh e to di co n ceivecon si derati o n dhLurtaitnioipnroortilemt y a t t e u r s e e w th as ar i e n v s e u e b t, likely to originate from evils such as those he now i The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER again stated ' g h . is CrlTlplaitted against. This Bill was put into his hands reasons for within the discussion to be postponed. by Lord Cochrane, whom he accidentally met, and Mr. aVHITBREAD observed, be believed no Gentleman had afterwards dined with. " I will," said the Noble wanaysi=c n i i o e n ly o s f o s r u r b y ra ti a l t a ti t nt . a c specific ula no attendtmo i a o o n n i e u s n u d b a j e c but Haes Earl, " proceed to slim your Lordships the length of he was on his legs he would avail ',Misch of an oppor y tUnity of it. Why, it is sl long, that if you (?peaking to the snaking a motion en a subject unimetely connectedivith the dis- Clerk) will go w ith this end to the Bar -- tresses of the Manufacturers. LORD. CH A NCELLOR—" That is not the BAKER app rised the Honourable Gentleman that the Holulseernall'istirst dispose of the motion then before it Clerk's business." s %Men was acco rdingly done, the consideration of the Report ' Tile Earl of SUFFOLK—" You need not, Sir, being postponed till Monday next. , take hold of it. I can place one end on the floor."— . NEGOCIATION WITH AMERICA. (He then proceeded to place it in that situation ; but Mr. WHITBREAD said, he was convinced the at length it was held by the Clerk, and the Earl of Report of the Committee to which the Petition of the Suffolk then unrolling the Bill, it reached from the distressed Manufacturers had been referred was per- Table to the Throne.) " Then," said tbe Noble fectly correct ; and todo that which had been recom- Earl, " your Lordships perceive die length of this mended for their relief would have been indicative of elotired it voirht, =Ain cite on the madness or folly. It would have been like throwing • MONUMENT TO SIR W. MYERS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQ UER gave notice that on Monday he would move an Addresi to his Royal Highness the Prince Regent, praying that he would be graciously pleased to give directions tur the erection of a Monument to Sir Wdliiim Myers. ..~ . ~: • water on the burning coals - of a furnace, the flame of with an idea that the Government of this country which, on the return of the blast, would burst forth was the object of their hatred, and the enemy with with threefold violence. It was at once idle and vain all his acts of hostility none. With respect to what to attempt any thing in that way. Ministers knew he had said on the prosperous state of the finances, very well that the Weavers were only the forerunners he was at a loss to know what the Hon. Gentleman of the merchants—they had received the fullest infor- would have him do. Was he to say that their situa mation on the melancholy and deplorable situation of tion was unfavourable, when it was directly the re. the commercial world from the loud complaints of verse, because the manufacturers were in distress?— Liverpool and other great commercial towns--con- As to the tax on cotton-wool, he verily ballieved, if it scious that the money already raised for their relief had taken place, there would not have been a pound was of no use ; and )et they had not the courage to of cotton less made use of. On the contra' y, it would look the evil in the face, and fairly own what the Re- have increased and bettered the shipping interest, and port unanswerably stated to be the case. As he could in fact it was meant to be mere a matter of commer not attend in his place on Monday, he thought it ne- cial regulation than of benefit to the revenue. The cessary to say thus much on that subject now. He motion might be proper at the commencement of next then proceeded to the subject of the papers he meant session, but at present he must resist it. to move for respecting America. The adjudication Mr. WHITBREAD begged to say a few words against the Fox (American vessel) which had within in reply. The reason he did not move for the papers a few days taken place , had; h e f e ared, thrown away I sooner was, that part of the documents he held in his the scabbard between us and that country. He had hand, as he before stated, had not been in his posses in his hands the remainder of the documents which sion .forty-eight hours, and in that time he had no -he had moved for on a farmer night, and which had ' opportunity. With respect to what the Right Hon. .been refused by the Chancellor of the Exchequer ; .• Gentleman had said of the impropriety of publishing but which the American Government, in spite of that ' these papers till it was known what Mr. Foster would RightHononrable Gentleman's monition, had thought do, it was futile in the extreme. Did ha suppose the proper to publish to the world. From these docu- House such children, or the Americans such fools, ments, he thought we had treated America (a coon- that what he said at that time could have any influ try which, from its extent and population, he thought ence on their negotiations ? It was utterly impossible. deserving the highest consideration from every Go- His chief reason for wishing to have these papers on eernment in the world) more as a dependant on an the table, was to prevent their putting into the Prince illiberal protector, than as a great, free, and commer- Regent's mouth, in his speech on the opening of the cial people. He adverted to the engagement of which Session, 'toy mis-statements or misrepresentations re we had lately heard, as having taken place betwen specting America. If they should clet this, and he the President frigate and the Little Belt, and feared should notice it, they would say to him, ' Oh! you - - that one thing after another coming in such quick can say nothing respecting America, for you have no succession would shortly operate so powerfully, as by papers as evidence to go upon ;' and the address causing a rupture, would go near to overwhelm our would be carried before these papers could be then finances. The Weavers knew they could not be re- obtained. He insisted that the Orders in Council had lieved at the time they petitioned : but hearing the been attended with the most mischievous conse- RiglitHonourableGentleman,on bringing it forward, quences. Bonaparte had issued his decrees for the vaunting and boasting so highly of the flourishing . purpose of provoking them. He did so in the time state of the country and its finances, when they saw of Mr. Pitt—but did that Minister . set the Govern that he still brought on his tax on the raw material s ment by Orders in Council ? No : he saw the trap, by which alone they could obtain br ead, the y were and avoided it. The Right Hon. titntlenani, who compelled to state the injuries they would sustain by pretends to tread in Mr. Pitt's steps, had seen it, and I the measure • and after he was absolutely c o mp elled fell into it. It was in vain to endeavour to mince the ; to give up his darling measure, he still boasted that matter ;he was determined he would not be one of . he did not want a new tax to replace that which he those who hold out delusions to the people, and there- I had withdrawn. What will the manufacturers say to fore he would not hesitate to say what the Right this ? It is impossible to persuade them they are in .Hon. Gentlemen opposite, and their adherents, all prosperity. The House cannot deny they are in dis- knew very well. We are absolutely undone, as a tress, and yet it is not in their power to relieve them; commercial people' unless they will retrace their steps. and all these various evils had been produced by the The Right Hon. Gentleman had told the manufac unwise and impolitic commercial system adopted by turers, that although there was no worse, if marketit had for our Ihis Majesty's Ministers, and persisted and p ersevered goods, yet things would have been not in with an obstinacy that must in the end ruin the been for the Orders of Council. It was his opinion, country. With respect to the documents he held in however,that they could not possibly have been worse his hand, and which had been published by the Amt. than they were. If the papers were now refused, no rican Government, there were some of them of which other reason could be assigned for such refusal, but he had not been possessed more than forty-eight hours; that the Chancellor of the Exchequer was not pre and from the whole he begged leave to read some pared to meet the discussion. extracts, in order to shew the manner in which his Mr. ROSE said, that his answer to the application Majesty's Ministers had treated them, and that it was of the American merchants, was, that Government impossible that Mr. Pinckney could act otherwise had received no information of the revocation of the than take his departure as he did. The first to which Berlin and Milan Decrees. As to our retracing our t he alluded, was a letter from Mr. Pinckney to Lord steps with respect to America, it must be recollected, Wellesley, dated the '2d of January, and not answer- on what conditions the French Government talked of ed the 14th of March ; and in another letter from rescinding those decrees. This country was first re- Mr. Pinkney to the American Minister at home, he ` quired to rescind all the Orders in Council, including says, he was not surprised at delay, but he did not ex- those made (on the soundest principles, as be thought) pact such a delay as this. There was another letter, under the former Administration ; and nut only was dated the 15th of February, on the subject of the' Great Britain callers upon tsi do this, but to abandon blockades, not answered the sth of March, nearly I all the rights of blockade which had been agreed to • three weeks ; another on the 30th of April, and a, by all Europe at all times. It would not, then, be subsequent one on the 3d of June, to which no an-; fair to tell the manufacturers that it is only our Or. swers were returned. Another on the Ist of July,lders in Council which prevents the markets being referring to his notes of April 30 and June 3, to none : open to this country as usual ; but they sh resould also g of which was any answer ever returned . On the 25th I be told that France requires this countryto in her of August, Mr. Pinkney wrote again, complaining of maritime rights, which It never will conent the to do. these neglects ; and received no answer till the 315t,1 Sir CHARLES PRICE said, that s hadhSA six days. All which sheaved a most grass and pointed . tisfaction to state, that all the merchants with whom neglect of America ; wounded her just pride, by ihe had the honour of being connected were perfectly chewing that Ministers did not look on her as a free , content with the Orders in Council and the conduct and independent Power ; in slirt, they were insults i of Government in this respect. of such a nature, as could not be bone or put up with Mr. WHITBREAD said, he was sure that suc h in private life. On the B th of Decem ber Mr. Pink* was the feeling of those merchants who shouted.for wrote to Lord Wellesley on the subject of the Fox, war on the Royal Exchange. to which there was no answer. It was delayed till The question was then put, and negatived.' after Mr. Pinkney and Mr. Foster had sailed ; and am. FINNERTY. then, to complete the whole, comes on the adjudica- Mr. WHITBREAD stated, that he held in Li; Lion. He hoped the House, having heard these papers, hand a petition from this Gentleman, who was im would not refuse the papers lie should move for, prisoned in Lincoln Castle, in consequence of the though he allowed no use could be made of them till sentence of the Court of King's Bench. The com next Session. He concluded by moving "An address I plaint was not against the sentence, but the mode of to the Prince Regent for copies of all the correspon- confinement. It stated circumstances of great harsh dence between the American Minister and his Ma- ness and capricious severity. Certificates of medical jesty's Government during•the year 1810." men were annexed to it, which stated his health to The question being read from the Chair, have suffered considerably for want of sufficient air The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ; and exercise ; and the prayer of the petition was only said, he thought the Honourable Gentleman could not for such an indulgence in air and exercise as his seriously suppose the House.. would agree to such a' health required, and the prison afforded. Wi.en Mr. motion without any previous notice, especially as he Finnerty boost applied to him upon the subject, he ad had allowed that nothing could be-done farther than; wised him to have a petition presented to the Prince that the papers should lie on the table till next Session. Regent, and such a petition was presented ; but the lie ( Mr. Perceval) was convinced the House felt sen. Right Hornaurnble Gentleman sibly, by what was then passing, the necessity of notices; ; having thought it necessary to write to the Sheri' and that they would be of opinion,theycouldnot receive ; upon the subject, in order to inquire into the truth of (Mr. Secretary Ryder) the motion. It was evident the Hon. Gentleman had I the allegations, a great deal of me had elapsed, and but two objects a kin w ars n making it. One was the no answer was yet given. He trusted that when the opportunity of mag peech, and the other to have , House should hear the petition read, they would think the papers on the table early in the next Session.— I that the petitioner had a claim to relief. The Honourable Gentleman had made his speech, The petition was then read, which was of consi. and thereby obtained one object; and as to the papers, derable length. It stated, among other things, be might have them by moving for them at the corn- t! That the person on whose behalf it was presented was con. mencement of the next session. He (Mr. P.) still fined upon a ground floor, in a cold brandedt,ttw doordr thought it would be wrong to publish them before o ab f o w u h t i e ch a f:e as t a square, iy o e p nclo si se te d t b o haiswtllirryo nd f i e: Isiglc—eolli a gh, they knew what passed between Mr. Foster and the indeed, as to exclude the free Zurrent of air. In the centre of American Government. The Honourable Gentle- this yard there was a grate, ft om whence issued the most offtn• man had, however, come forward thus suddenly with sive smell, owing, as he at:derstood, to the common sewer of t,.e his tirade against the English Government ; and he found it impossible to answer such a statement, as he ed any h e im m 7: debtors' prison, which runs underneath, and which ev em nt e ed il annoy iii that hs c yard, e 11. By while ll is hsrueell he was denased had not the smallest idea this conversation would of enjoying air and exercise in the area which IMIGUINiI the take place. With respect to what the Honourable prison, and the w all the other prisoners were admitted Gentleman had said on the petition, the House throughout the day,. excepting only the common felour:indlinhz I scealufse. front d e a l e pr i i t ‘ s , a t t e t 4) 0 7 h h e rs had health, might thank him for his observations. If he really h m b:i re ng r' subject il t to ° P * &dal, ptrhe opportunity beta chose to believe, and entertain th e o p inion, that all and violent spasmodic affections in the staunch ; he hail the evils he had enumerated grew out of a wrong uniformly advised fret theseedical men whom he had tad (KW commercial system, he might as well have spared his a s o i st oa nuioc t u o cth e o o re ni eL t4li i , t o comments, for he (Mr. P.) believed there were few . I se o -as ib h , e W co r u i ld ht ' and SStuactilaoht:d wbonmthe ha P i con would join him in it. Tht Right lion. Gentleman stilted in La: . 2 and arch also was the opinion of the HI -Klaus then entered into a long defence of the Orders in anti i.e had 1:14 occasion to resort since his arrival at Li .con, Council,and insisted that the pressure on the Continent Otiose certificate was annexed. Such truatioent tis wa, c . on o i-_ is infinitely greater than it is here ; and he verily b e . pined o!, be was persuaeled, was contrary to 'the intentio ! o f . e whom he bad been sent there xs it was 1nt,”.1 lieved it was so heavy, as not to be long bo rn e. The t tea tie t i v uts by d o te , r t i t l e s that to which any man committed for a aawelac,,a).r sole object of tacking this motion to the subject of o t isht to ire subjected. the petition, seemed to be t o im p ress the petitioners ''' fbat Ahaba week after the Petitioner's arrival, he was, it . . - . t :-