Star. — London, England, 1809-05-05 00:00:00

I , avo urs conferred, favours expected, relations subsist which induced an Elector to give his vote on any consideration extraneous to his own conviction of the p r opriety of his selection, was as much imprope r , and undue, and corrupt, as the grant of money.— H e w then were the great County Elections conduc ted Had not landed proprietors an influence ov er f j eir tenants ? manufacturers over their workmen ? a n influence which produced -a choice with which con viction had 'lathing to do? But the H ono ura bl e mover would probably stop short. If so, would the Reformers consent ? No, no. They would convert I hi: own principle into a weapon against his conduct. They would say, and if the original position was cor rect, t hey would be so also, proceed until all influ enot is destroyed separate from the bare consideration of the proper Candidate. The Right Hon. Member r i, ei , proceeded to review the grounds upon which this er r for Reform was now raised, which he denomitia ,A false and unwarrantable, and he trusted that liouse would never afford any acknowledgement of assumptions, or adopt any measure which would S ection such false and mischievous doctrine. He .11en considered the three different periods at which t . .:s desire for Parliamentary Reform exhibited itself: ' t h e first was at the close of the American war, when the minds of men were almost heated to insanity upon the confcrmation of political establishments ; next it burst forth at the French Revolution ; and lastly, at this day, when from the consideration of the charac ters most conspicuous in the management it was eas y to see that the benefit of that example was not lost.— He concluded by expressing his determination to op rose it in every shape in that House, and ever to re pet should the blindness, the infatuation, urge them to attempt a relief from imaginary pressui-e by tear in" into pieces a wisely-framed and practically bene 6:ial Constitution. _ _ Lord FOLKSTONE considered the speech of his Right Hon. Friend wholly irrelevant to the question then before the House ; there was an occasion ap proaching when it would have been applicable • when considered as an answer to the Honourable Mover, it was rather to be thought as an answer to a speech, which he (Mr. Windham) expected to hear, than to the one he had heard. It was not connected with the q•iestion, vulgarly called Parliamentary Reform, as it di.i not interfere with Representation ; although it would operate as a Reform of that House by itself. :t went to correct an increasing practice that was net only hostile u ith the spirit but with the established usage of the Ccnstitution.• The Noble Lord then stated the progress of this measure, and his o . riainel wish to have it engrafted amongst the provisions of the Bill brought in by the Chancellor of the Exche. quer. to prevent the• trafficking in places—his desire was built upon the notorious and undenied fact, that a nea•ket was held at the Treasury for the sale of *Seat , . in that Ilouse, which were not only sold for cercnin sums of inenev, but that Members s r returned, beeed themselves down by certain conditions, to voce trilf.ly at the will of the Minister. He did commu nicate r is intention to the Chancellor of the Exche-1 cn who appeared desirous to promote his object ; • he IrtHted, that although now brought forward in al oieuet shape, the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Per celed) would lee no reasons to alter his opinion.— Tee' sense of public duty, every feeling of anxiety, if art recover, at least to*preserve its character with the public, called upon that House not to shut its eyes to the uxistelicf: •of facts. There were formerly some • way salutary acts upon the Statute Book, which in terdicted person holding places or pensions from seats that House. How much more improper, and how leble to abuse of public trust, and to the degradation cl the character of Parliament, to see men finding their way amongst the People's Representatives, of t•hom no person knew any thing, nor of the concealed compensations which they received from their sordid si:bserviency to every command of the Minister.— There did exist a strong conviction abroad, that cor ruption was prevalent within that House, and when late decisions of that House were considered, he could not but think it justified. At all events, if discon tents prevailed, refusal would multiply, and he must conkss not without great reason. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated, that he did not by any means in his commu nication -with the Noble Lord, restrict himself to any thing more than his determination to apply his own mind to see whether the proposed motion.was appli cable, next if it was practicable, and if so, whether it was beneficial ? He reprobated the conclusion, that what was not denied in that House by Ministers, therefore was admitted by them, and particularly dwelt upon the strange conduct of a Member of the former Administration (Mr. Creevey), bringing an indiscriminate charge against all preceding Govern !emits for an alledged practice, which he ought to hare exposed and opposed whilst in possession of 1110 means of doiag so with effect. With respect to t, ! e present motion, he confessed, that from its in nielectness and want of precision, he was unable to itfh.rd it at present that calm and full consi dcrara -.1, to which he - had only pledged hine,elt, and :he!ch,re did not mean to oppose its introduction. --1 1c old not have risen to gi , ,c his assent to the this measuie at all, wiEliont distinctly the pledge which the Honourable Gentle man re:ciair:'ilot those who might jc.io him that night; .eeiougli he 1 . 1 :1IS inclined to concur with him so far as eeeet to his bringing in the biii, he yet fairly con :• he strongly suspected that he could not ill- V(' his sanction to the measure. The Hon. •lrsired him to beware of giving the present put;:.; : , :.ir: 2; the character of.facobitiism. Upon look speeches at the Crown and Anchor, the re pas,ed there, the delusion to which the people ied in being made to believe that Reform - . .eve them from their burthens, he could not ‘.e that all those things were strongly ca! , . of .Iz.cobinism. Thii was at present ' • I.l:ei to ei:cnie and keep up the ferment is the zf.e p eo pl e . Th e peop l e were to ld t h at t h e f• 1 te . ommons was the only place where their ee•re net regarded; they were taught to think. •.leireers sat in the House contrary to the lima : ei.ed principles of the Constitution. Ail this pass :l eith the vulgar and illiterate crowd, who were that Placemen and. Pensioners were exclu .: tee: Hoii..e by an Act passed after the Revolution. r“) •ixplitnitz.ion vats given. They had not been ' es-1 :11,e. this law was pas:ed in 1700, and that it was •.t to ,‘• in force till the accession of the House of strick : that it was repealed in 1704, and in fact • •L ' t I . lt:Yer a practical law. This the people ought to be told, if they bad keen reasonably dealt by. Wt. Perceval then en d eavoured to c l ear Mr. Pitt from the charge of apostaCy, for if the people really did not at that time want Reform, and Mr. Pitt became con 7 vinced of this, the change was no apostasy. But the title of the Honourable Gentleman's measure was unexceptionable, and he wanted to give him an op portunity of executing his own idea. There was no ground for the assertion, that Reform would diminish the disposition to war in the House. The Honour able Gentleman could not but know that the popular voice, at the commencement of wars, nerally went ,along with th e H ouse o f Commons. The Reforme went far beyond the proposal of the Honourable I Gentleman, and the adoption o f hi s measure wou ld not pacify them. He wished, however, to reconcile the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Windham) to this course of permitting the Din to be brought in, for he differed from him as to the effect of discussing the question, which he thought. would be advan tageous, as it would tend to rescue the people from the delusion into which they were led by papers and pamphlets and speeches out of doors, owing to the silence of Parliament. Mr. PONSONBY did not consider this as a mea sure of Reform properly speaking, but of regulation, and therefore, as to the question of Reform he would say nothing. He was glad that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had assented to the measure, so far as to allow its introduction. With regard to the pledge 'mentioned, he had never supported a measure out of place that he would not have supported when in ; and he was at this moment out because he could not carry a measure which he thought of vital importance to the interest of the country. Two things were neces sary to a pledge of this kind ; first, that the measure should be right, and secondly, that it should be prac ticable. Now he thought that this measure, if he properly understood the object in view, wits right, and that it would be attended with none of those dangers apprehended by his Right Honourable Friend near him (Mr. Windham). If the thing turned out to be different from what he supposed it would be, then, of course, he could not be held by any pledge but, at the same time, he thought it was not likely he would change. As to the practicability of the'thing, it was imposs:ble to judge of that till they saw it. He fully agreed in th.. proposition that public men ought not to raise expectations in the people which could not be realize.i. Re detested such base arts—he never had made use f them. and never would. Mr. FULLER apologized for the large voice (a laugh) tt ith which he had interrupted the Right Hon. Gentlern (Ms. Windham) who was speaking so rl-blv on this subject, and tracing the principles of the Constitution to their original purity. He felt excited, and could not help calling out to order when he s L w a third Gentleman near him (crier of Order, Order) endeavouring to interrupt him. He give the Speaker his honour that he meant no offence to him, but, on the contrary, had always supported him ivainct the miserable fellows who sometimes wrangled with him (a laugh). He was of a most honourable family, of two centuries old (loud cries of 44 Question, question," and laughter). Well, he would come to the question. With regard to this same swearing, it was much beyond his comprehension, and so totally out of his way (loud laughter) that he would have nothing at all to say to it—and so he would leave them. (The Honourable Member than took his hat, snack hi: bow to Me Sfteaker, and walked out.) Mr. HAWKINS BROWNE thought the measure wrong in itself, and impracticable, and therefore wished that it should be rejected in the first instance. To give it the least countenance would only be delud ing the people. Mr. BATHURST said, that he understood the object of the Honourable Gentleman to be this, to prevent the barter of influence for money. It some times happened that a man had property in a parti cular place, that gave him a preponderating influence in elections, a proper influence it might sometimes be, but at the same time this might be sold for money to a third person—the design was to prevent this. Now this was a proper object, it was not a question of Re form, but a mere matter of regulation, like the Grenville Election Bill. Indeed this measure had less to do with Parliamentary Reform than the Grenville Bill, which certainly, in a considerable degree altered the Constitution of the House. In the question of Parliamentary Reform, he did not clearly see the evil or the remedy. Here he certainly saw the evil, and it was proper to apply a remedy if it could be done effectually, and without producing a greater degree of mischief than the evil to be cured; Mr. W. SMITH lamented that a spirit such as that manifested by the might Honourable Gentleman that had last spoken did not more generally pervade the House. With all due respect to his Right Honoura. , ble Friend, he must say thin he did not know what righr any man had to impute improper motives to those who expressed themselves in favour of Parlia. j ni entary Retin m ; when such men as Lord Chatham, Mr. Pitt, and Mr. Fox, had at different times ex pressed tlizai.selyes in favour of the measure. He did hope that not nny pony mortal of the present day would set himself up against such individuals. "And now Gentlemen," (a loud laugh excited by the recollection of the ine:oting, which the Hon. Gentleman had recently ad dressed.) I-Ic begged pardon of the House, but main tained that there was no assembly in which he would not express similar sentiments. The Right Honour., able Gentleman opposite had observed, that it was held out to the people, that an alteration in the Con stitution of the House of Commons would render it less warlike. He really believed that it would do so, for under the present construction of the House, there certainly were persons in it who had an interest in war. Mr. WINDHAM explained. He did not mean to impute to his Honourable Friend any disgrace for asserting the necessity of a Parliamentary Reform. Lord TEMPLE coincided with his Right Ho nourable Friend near him (Mr. Bathurst) as to the expediency of allowing the introduction of this mea sure. It would shew that while the House refrained . from overturning their Constitution, they were willing to correct the abuses that had crept into it, and this he was satisfied would induce the country to place in them that confidence which it was desirable they should possess. Mr. CURWEN made a short reply. He repro bated in warm terms the comment of the Right Ho nourable Gentleman who lead assented to the intro duction of the Bill, declaring, at the same time, that he would subsequently oppose it. He ditclaimed all wish to avail himself of the present popular feeling, • for thapprpase asepiring peptlariti• and declared hiraaeitaa adverse to thqse who depreciated all public characters, and who declared against all' snoderatb Reform, as the Right Hon. Gentleman. Leave was given to bring in the Fill with bnly two dissentient voices; and the Hon. Mover proposed that Mr. Ponsonby, Sir A. Pigott, Lords Temple and Folkstone, Sir Oswald Moseley, and Mt. Windbam, should be appointed to draw up and bring in the Bill. Upon the mention of Mr. Windham's name the House was convulsed with laughter.—Adjourned. THE EVENING S'I'AR. LONDON FRIDAY, MAY 5. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. Consols, for money, n7if—Ditto, for acc. 67;1-- F/chequer Bills Bs. to 11s. prem. PRICE OF STOCKS YESTERDAY. Bank Stock.24l 3 per Cent. Red. 661 87 Imp. 3 per C e nt Imp. Ann. 7 3-16 i 3 per Cent. Cons. 67141 India Stock 1851 4 per Cent. 82* Ins per Cent. N av y 9 8 1 . 1 Ei d e i h a Bonds, e(Bai 15t. s,l 14 .9 : : pr. ios. pre. Long Anu. 18 5-16ths4 Consols for acc.6i4ii The rumour of a battle having taken place between the French and Austrians in Bavaria, •is 'again re vived. Private letters from 1 - lolland mention the pre valence of the report in that country, though it is not even hinted at in any of the Dutch papers: Accord ing to these letters, the French were defeated with the loss of several thousand men, and the Austrians remained masters of Bavaria. On the other hand a French priiateer, brought in as a prize, and only two days from a French port, asserts, that after three days fighting the French remained masters of the field, and that the Austrians lost 30,000 men, :in killed;. wounded, anti, prisoners. Time must decide which of these statements, or whether any of them deserves credit. If the French statement were cor rect, is it not probable that we would have been fa voured with a Bulletin in one of the fiating-tub con veyances ? The letters from Rotterdam state, that on Friday last King Louis set off for Paris, for the purpose, as was whispered, of divorcing his Queen, who is preg nant. According to report, the Royal pair had not slept together for more than twelve Months—but candour demands that, in opposition to this Dutch slander, we should mention that some accounts from Dover state that there have been great rejoicings on , the French coast on account of the Queen of Holland having been delivered of a son ! SPAIN. Government have received dispatches from Colonel CARROL, dated Oviedo, 25th April. They are said to contain favourable accounts of the state of the pa triotic cause in the North of Spain. ROMANA was at Oviedo on. the 24th, with a considerable part of his gallant army, and his troops are described as looking up to him with increasing confidence. The enemy is represented to be so weak in GalliCia and Leon, that both provinces were expected to be freed from their yoke in a few weeks. In Gallicia a re ward has been proclaimed for the head of every Frenchman killed in battle. Lugo was expected daily to fall into the hands of the Patriots, and Ro- MANA. was about to seize upon St. Andero once more. The army of Genet als Cues - rA and ALBUQUERQUE was at Campanha, near Merida, and consisted of 20,000. men. VICTOR, who is opposed to them, had at tempted nothing for some time. A serious misunder standing had arisen between the Supreme Junta at Seville and CUESTA ; the latter complained of the want of supplies, and laid down his command, but was prevailed upon to retain it by the unanimous recommendation of his troops and the inhabitants of Estramadura—stores and money have since been sent to his army by the Junta. THE 1312AZILS, The letters by the Mail of yesterday are to the 2d of Mardi; the trade of Rio Janeiro, and the other great ports throughout the vast extent of the coast of the Brazils, continued in the same inactive condition in which we have before represented it, on the autho rity of previous advices. Six ships only had been allowed to pass from thence to Monte Video, and un load their cargoes ; and, notwithstanding the attach ment of the Governor to Great Britain and her allies, this concession was not in future to be made, and the old system of the total exclusion of foreign vessels was to be rigidly adhered to. The following letter confirms the intelligence al ready known, that'the cities on the Plata are scenes of civil commotion:— " RIO JANEIRO, FEB. 28. " A very serious disturbance has taken place at Buenos Ayres, between Liniers and the Ca!iilda; but he has completely got the better of them, and has elected new Members in the room of those he has imprisoned. Strict orders were given to prevent English goods being landed ; but great quantities have neverthe less been landed there and at Monte Video. At the latter place two Portuguese vessels have been seized for having on baard English property, landing the same, and shipping cipllars, a large amount of which were found on bcard both of them. The Spa niards are buying but little here just now. " It is generally understood that the Treaty is signed, and goes home eithtr in this packet or the Marlborough, Commodore Mooltr, who sails to-morrow. " The London and Marlborough leave this place to-morrow for England, and art , to call off Bahia and Pernambuco, for the • ships that are ready." The Commerce, Allen, bound to London, is burnt at the Bra zils. She was nearly laden ; only a few bags of cotton saved. The schooner - , Cvbenangue, from the Brazils for Li verpool, was on shore near &ay island OA the 2Etis ult. part . 'of the cargo expected to be saved. CHRLSItA tteerrAt... Our Readeri are already in possession of the eit- Cunistaxices attenclAtgthe grant to Colonel-Com* of the lands at Chelsea, down to the period of the business being taken up by the House of •ns. The Supplementary Report of the Surveyors Was lidd before the House last night. It is dated I.(:th :,pr I t and from it we learn, that Colonel Gosboi pays ati, annual rent of FIVE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY-FIVE FOUNDS TEN SHILLINGS ! The items which compose this rental we giie with such extreme precision, that•our Readers Cannot fail to draw conclusions equally distinct O this subject. They consist of the following Interest of ae4500 to be laid out by Colonel Gordan in building Ais ow" hew ! • • «AVM Salary to Gardeners for trimming the grounds.., • 150 Annual expence of repairing the embellishments 2B Insurance 7 10 Ground rent, in consequence of its contiguity to Clielea Hospital, only Taxes • 75 £:B5 10 • That Colonel ColtnoN has received no Ev-ur whatever, but pays more than a. sufficient rent, will appear farther evident to the public, from a circum stance omitted in the statement of the Stirv,yors.— They baverroptrly estimated the wages to the gard eners, but the wages and board wages of grooms, foot men, And other servants, have not been taken intd the account. Were these added, it "might be made to appear that the Colonel has not a return of one pev cent. for his money !! NAVAL INTELLIGENCE: FALMOUTH, MAY 2. Arrived his Majesty's brig Locust, with a Danish sloop Mont Drontheins for St. Martin's, with fish) her prize ; and the Wind= sor Castle Packet , Capt a i n Sutton, with Mails, from the Brazils ; in eight weeks passage.—Sailed his Majesty's brig Escort ; on a cruise ; and the Humber armed ship, with a convoy for the Downs.—Wind N.W. PLYMOUTH-DOCK, MAY S. Arrived his Majesty's ship - WILDBOAR, from Gijon, and Vigo i she has a number of French prisoners on board, taken out of ves sels ;which she has captured during her cruise. -One of her prises, the Verdad French schooner, arrived here on Wednesdarlast.— Sailed the SwAt.t.ow ; 18, C aptain Mugge, on a cruize to the . westward.--.Arrired and sailed, a number of small coasters and colliers. PORTSMOUTH, MAY 4. Arrived his Majesty's ship Racoon with dispatches, fr om Spain.—Dropt down to St. H e l en ' s hi s Majesty's ships Solebay and Tigress, with a convoy for the coast of Attica.—Wind W. SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. • NEWMARKET SECOND SPRING MEETING, iBOO. THURSDAY, MAY 4. Mr. Goulburn's Grimaldi beat Sir G. Webster's Bacchanal, Bst. 51b. each. B. C. 100gs.-6 to 4on Grimaldi. Ld Darlington's Levant, Bst. 31b. beat Mr. Wilson's Hamble tonian c. 7st. 131 b. Across the Flat, 100gs.-.5 to 2on Levant. Mr. Andrew's Thorn, Bst. 31b. heat Lord Sickville's Bustard, Bst. 71b. T. M. M. 100p.-5 to 2 agst Thorn. Mr. Wilson's c. by Hambletonian, out of Sophia ; 7st. 71b. beat lA. F. Bentinck's Tekeli, Bst. I 2ib. Two-yr-old Course, 50p. h. ft.-2 to lon Mr. Wilson's colt. Mr. Andrew's Thorn, Bst. 21b. beat the Duke of St. Alban's Goodall, Bst. 71b. From the Ditch to the end of Ab. M. 1 oogs. h. ft.-Even. £4O for 3-yr-olds, 6st. 21b. 4-yr-olds, Bst. 5-yr-olds, Bst. ftb. 6-yr-olds and aged, Bst. 121 b. T. M. M. B. C. Mr. C. Browne's br. h. Delville, 6 yrs old 1 Mr. Wyndham's b. c. Knave: y,'3 yrs uld Duke of Rutland's b. h. Ned, 4 yrs old 3 6 to I agst Delville. Sir S. Sitwell's Spaniard, 7s. 31b. beat Mr. Craven's Beau Nub, Bst. 71b. 'Two-yr-old Course, 1 oOgs.- 3to 1 on Spaniard. Sweepstakes of 2 igs. each. Two-yr-old Course. Sir S. Sitwell's Spaniard, Bsl. 41b. 1 Mr. Craven's Black Lhamund, Bst. 41h. . 2 Mr. Wyndham 's c. by Worthy, Bst. 41b. - 3 Ld Barrymure's 1. by Waxy, out of Miranda's dam, ss•. Ilb. 4 6to 4 apt Spaniard -ti to 4 agst Mr. Wyndham'; colt. Mr. Craven's Beau Nash, Bst. 71b. beat Mr. Fisher's Blue Ruin, by Whiskey, 7st. 31b. Two-yr old C. sogs.-6 to 4 apt Beau Nash. Lord Jersey's Lauretta beat Gen. Grosvenor's Azalia, Bst. 41b. each. D. I. 100 gs. h. ft.-2 to lon Lauretta. Yesterday, about two o'clock, her MAJESTY, and the Princesses AUGUSTA, MARY, and SOPHIA, arrived at St. James's Palace, from the QUEEN'S House, to hold a Drawing.room, for the first time since her MAJErres indisposition. There were present, The Princess of Wales; the Duchess of York; the Dukes of Cumberland, Kent, and Sussex; the Archliuhops of Canterbury, York, and Cashel and a numerous assembly of Nobility and Gentry. The followidg were atnong the numerous presenta tions to her MAJESTY Admiral Mon TACIM, late Pert Admiral at Portsmouth. Lieutenant General Sir Hew DA LILIMPLE, upon his return from abroad.- The Rev. Mr. Courson, upon his being appointed to the Dea nery of Exeter, by the Marquis of Bath. Lady C. RAWDON, by the Countess of Moira and Loudon. Lord CecalAwa, upon his return to England, an d b e i ng electe d a Knight of the Bath. . General Scrrecaa, upon .his return to England, and being elected a Knight of the Bath. General Sir DAVID DUNDAS; upon his being appointed Com mander in Chief. Lord WILLIAM BINTINCX, *pen his going to Portugal, by the Duke of Portland. Brigadier-General Bassow, upon his promotion, and going upon service. Mr. ROBERT DUNDAS, upon his being appointed Chief Secre tary to the Lord Lieutenant of it-eland, The Countess M LIVERPOOL, upon succeeding to her title. Mrs. G. DRUMMOND, by the Countess of Kinnoul, upon her marriage. Captain Sir Roars]. Howr. BROMLEY, upon succeeding to his Title. Count Ds Sat's, upon having the King's Commission to use that Title. ROBINSON, upon his being appointed Under Secretary .f State in the Colonial Department, by Viscount Castlereagh. The Marquis WacxxstAY, upon his being appointed Ambas sador to Spain, by Mr. Canning. Lieutenant-Colonel WYNCH, of the 4th Regiment, upon his return from Spain. Archbishop of eAllart, upon his arrival from Ireland. Lieutenant-Colonel Ewa. ca, upon his appointment to the Coldstream Regiment of Guards. Sir M. Sxruou CAumander of his Majestyli ship A inethyst, on his being created a Baronet, in consequence of his great gale lantry in capturing the French frigate la Nierim. • Coats EXCHANGE, MARK-LANE, MAY s,—The supply of Wheat this day is considerable, mostly from Essex and Suffolk; inure than equal to the demand—sales are heavy, and again rather bwer. Fine Barley supports last prices ; Malt likewise. In Peas aid Beans of the two kinds but little variation. There are also considerable supplies of Oats, part from Lincolnshire, with some more foreign arrivals, and sales in general are quoted lower..-- , * Flour expected cheaper. GENERAL CURRENCY AS WPDER I Wheat, 58s. 703. 84s. Beans (new) 565. 695. Fine ditto, 88s, 90s. Tick ditto, 48s, 535. Rye, 50s. 565. Oats, 31s, 435. 365. Barley, 443. 51s. Od. Poland ditto, 9 s. 41s. Malt, 74 . 82s. Potatoe ditto, —s. Osi. N.Vh to Peas (boilers) 805.925. R a p e S ee d , 48 1 . I o ;41. Grey ditto, 474 52., FlOtxr, 80s. to 8.55.