Star. — London, England, 1807-03-26 00:00:00

PARLI4MENTART PROGEEDIAGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, WEDNESDAY, MARCH is. The Houfe *need tsielvi o'clock, when the Royal Alicia was 1 even by Cosamilnat to the Slave Trade Abolition bill, Irina Bpirit Licence Bill, Thames Police BW, and two private Buie, the Commiffioners being the I.ORD Caaacti.coa, and Lords Hot.- LAND and AUCKLAND. An adjournment then took place during pleaftire. The Mode being retuned at the ufual hour in the afternoon, the Royal Family Annuity Amendment Bill, and Coffee Ware• touting Bill, were brought up from the Comnsous, and read s fiat time. STATE OF THE COUNTRY. Lord GRENVILLE gave nonce, that epon tar Vaal motion being mide,tu•nicerow, oar an adjournment till after dig Iselidays. lie ili.)uld IVCI it to he his duty to he country snd hintitif,to give a full explanation of the cireumiltuices which bad let to the preftut itatepi public affairs. elareteitTasiTtnta - .ole JUSTIN, IN SCOTLAND. The i liourcivielyeditictf into a Committee on the Semi& Judi • eature ESL • • . • On the .Motlmr_pf Lord GRENVILI.E, ell that part of she Bill Whitt) relatiu to T./lathy Jury. was left out to form the fubj-dt of iliaarate wafting and kveral amendments were made on the riloresi relative to Tie divifiun of the Court of &Ilion into three Ch.olibera,,assiittsa eltablifhment of a Court of Review. Thcße• port was ordered tube received to morrow . Lord ELVlON..adverting to the circumfiance of three of the Lords offrfaon being in attendance in purfuance of their Lord- , ihips' order. moved for a Conunittee to feareb for Pr, cetlents as do where jhe Mehlbers of the Court alluded to mould be Olaced. when At Ending uppd_ the fervice of that Houfe. This maw& was induced to make ineontcquence of his utideritandiogi.that the tsiurt of Sellion claimed the privilege of fitting within the Bar, Ting enjoyed fuels aright when called upon to attend the Scotch Ilii i ment. •He further underftood, that they claimed the privi t_ .1 7 4( petitioning Parliament in a corpograre capacity. • , After a newer!' 4; Itl ol.fonse length, the motion was agreed to, ?MI the Committee ordered to meet to•morrow.—Adjworned. ---- . HO WE OF COMMONS The St PAKER at halt paf ekven took the Chair, and at twelve weAt to the Husk of Lords and on his return informed the Houle ihit 14 phi heard the Royal Agent given by Commifflon to the .41ith 41ph It Lternfes Bill, the Slave Trade Abolition Bill,the Thames 1141 .1 ed Sta two private BBL). '1 tie Houle then adjourned to Bite n'elbtl. skIITHFIILD MARKET, TEMPLE EAR, ETC. Alderman SHAW obtained leave to bring in a Bill for Sri :king certain regulation•. concerning Smithfield Market, within the City of London. u•a ilikkior continuing and amending an Ac 4 for widening ma itopruvlaig the entrances into the City of London by 'lonic lair and Snow Hill. Alto a Wilkie authorifing the advance of a further Turn of money from the Confulidated Fund, for the purpofe of completing the Canal :seeds the Ina of Dogs, and for the further improvement of the I'urt of Londou. Thc Royal family Annuity till was read a third time and palled. LANARK ELECTION. Lord G. CAVENDISH rt potted, from the Lanark Committee, tkat Sir C. Kai, the &MI Member, W:11 duly &died, but that the Petition was ant frivolous or vexatious. NEW witirs. A New Writ was ordered to be Med fur the Borough of PI ym ton, fu the Couray of Deeon, in the room of Lord Cadlere.feh, who. fince his do ion, has accepted the office of one of his Ma jefh 's Principal Secretaries of State. A New Writ was alto ordered for the Borough of Newtown, In tbc !fie a INight. in the room of the Right lion. George Can sing. SAO bas accepted the office of one his Majelty 's Principal Secretaries of State. MINISTERIAL EXPLANATION._ 1 ord HOWICK ride. and faid, that underftanding it was in tended that the Houle lhould to morrow adjourn till after the Holidays, he was drfirlan., before that took place, of giving the ex planation u to big conduct which be promifed to the Houle, as fowl as Ire was permitted to do fo. Being now at liberty to give it, ke tkoultd take the opportunity of doing fo to-morrow. BALLOTS POSTPONFD. 1 be Aberdeen Ballot, whi,h !tool for to mm ma-, was poftpon ed to Tut,fday, the 11 ft of Aloft, a c t that of E:linlJurgb, to Thurf clay, the 16u, of April. ASSETS BILL. Sir S. ROM;I.I.Ir lamented, that certain prejudices againft the Bill he had bZfore introduced. had caufed it to mikarry ; yet find ing, from the argunn ms ufed againft it, that if certain parts of it were omitted, thole Gentlemen wb.., oppofed it would nit objedt .to a bill of a fimilar nature, which did hot contain paffsgss found fault with by them, he was defirous, ke laid, as be could not ob tain 111 the advantages he wilted, to get as many as be could; and he therefore moved " For leave to bring in a Bill to make the FicliOld Mates of Traders that are indebted, Mktg for the Pay ittibt of (heir debts."—Leave was granted accordingly, and the Lill was read a firft time. IRISH BUDGET. the Him& refolved itfelf into a Committee of Ways and Means, Mr. Haling& in the Chair. Sir J. NEWPORT raid. be was aware how little claim he had to finitude on the ittemion of the Houfe at any time, much more on the prefent evening, when a fulled of fuck importance was to Conic under difeufGon. He Should not, therefore, have addreffed them on the fubjcdt he was about to do, but that the firft payment on the Loan being to be made to-morrow, be could not defer do ing fo. He would, however, take a very candle view of the fob fed, and tr ., flats on as (mall a portion of their time as poffible...- Plc then ft ,ted, that the feparate Loan for Ireland was 5,500,0001. which had been talon at a rate fonsething more than the forma 1 sine. but that the difference was only is. 9d. between this and the toglifli loan. He went through the different hems of the Es 1. ure, and the Ways and Means to anfwer them; contrAted slic t, of 18os and 113a6, by which there appeared to be a lkcrcafc ; but he Mewed that the i:icreaft of Esports was fo much grcate:r. that the Revenue was improved to the amount of nearly t aXi,czol ; that the inereafe ii. (hipping was one-filth in num ber, caw-ninth in tuataage, and one eighth in feamen • that not Duly the Irith Shipp:ag was it:created. but the firitill; alio; the i4rltilh had cuerafcd one twehrts, whilft the foreign Shipping had .leerraf,Al one eighth, and that the Exch.a) ,, .e had fallen to q I, from :.II which, be awed the Committee he ha d no doubt but the Re. s Irtbaki Wild/ foot) . .24 Weed adequate to her capendi ttne. He concluded by moving," That t ,sco„ocol. be granted by :41.enity for the ferviec of Deland."..—Ordcred. 11. e efolutions were then severally read and agreed to, and the ile2urt ordered to be received nit Monday fortnight. i 51.11 . 11 AFTAIRS. t'. I , RANCIS raid, that i.otwithflaahling there was a fulled 0: imporsiorc about to occupy the atter:thin of the Houle, the matters he was alum. to wiemion we7e Co truly intetefting, and of etch high confequeace, that he ciuld not but trcfpds fora fhort time on the patience of the Houle. He wifhed to alit a Rit;lit :lonourable Gentlemao uppidite to him (Mr. Tierney ), whether is or out of office a-few yucirtions rdarive to the Affairs orlittlia. The !irlt was, why the acacrints or the India Company had not brought forward this yiar, as had ufnally heta the cal . ; the advice:3 which had arrived From India, he wasaif opinion h_y ought to have been brought forward before this time. '1 he .rai.faetion at Venom he coulo not but mention as moft important, melancholy, and dangerous.' withrd :o know learn :Sc Rieht t o oomabie Gentleman, whether, as Preildent of the Board of 4.:onlruul, he had tot received, or whrther the Eaft India Company ':ad not recrived. particular and cArial accounts of that traufac If the private accounts he had I . i:calved were true, what ht.l at %/entire was more dangerous than ten bartles utd it he was Not ill informed. advi:es had been r.ceived offie:sily ot L, late a date. as wit:•in a few days of atio:bcr tranfadtion which 1.1.1 tak:a pli.cc in the Carnattc, which had filled the Covet ohmic of Madras with alarm and difsnay. He had been iniarmed that general Maitland, the Grvernor of Ceylon, had received orders from the Madras Gov.:ram:in to (whiffs them with all the for ces Tic c , •t.1.l fpare• -not l_rs :Ilan eQtaa, be underftood, had been Ge m:use:A He had long dra..ied troubling Waif& further with T'sc affairs of India, hut according to the ant wer hr should receive, would know how to proceed on this butine fr. If the private aslvices he had received were trix, our power in li.dia might be fidto he very greatly ea . ...ad, is not almott a: ati end. This was nut the queltism of India was an Englifh question. If t.l.:re was a rebeilion is Ireland, it wot.ld nut be au Iridi queLtion reole, it would be— Mr. HUSKISSUN fpobc to order, and thought the Nonourabic Vaiunct was entering luta a field or argunn::.t nut warranted. The SPEAKER( Honourable Baronet nt :ft!, e aware that in &firing to putt( el% na to any Honourable &Umber In office, be had 110 tight to go into a length of argument on *c fub- jet of tide queltiOns. Sir P. FRANCIS laid, he did net with to traafgrefs the mks aC she Hoare. tat the reafon he had faid fo much ou the fabled wos, to thew that he was kiftified, from its importance, in acing i tbore queftiuns. Mr. TIERNEY anfwered, to the 5 , 11 queltion, vhy the affairs of India had uot as ufual been szla before the Houle The rtafon was, there had been no accounts received front India which ena bled him to brirg them forward fo early as the pref./tit period.— One year's mown might indeed be Made out, which had Mien ender the management of his Noble preckeeffor ; but he thought be only &died With becoming propriety in leaving the whole to be convicted by theirs who thould fucceed hint in hit office As to the fecond queftion refpeEting A.e tranfadion at Venom, the EaR India Company were in full poifeflion of papers on that event, and the; Honourable baronet might, by moving fur may fuck as he thought requifite, obtain all the .information he could with for.—• With regard to the third queftion relative to the Camatic, he' af lured the flonourable Baronet his private information was errone ous. There had been no application from the Government of Madras to General Maitland to fend all the forces he could (pare. A eertaintofficer,in the fouthern part of the Peninfula, had applied to General Maitland for a Wall force, and that gallant General, with that promptitude and alacrity which ever eharaaerifed bis aeihms, had fent the force required, and tranfmittedthe earlieft imagism utit poffible to the Haft India Company. DUCAT or LANCASTER. Mr. IL MARTIN rote, according to the notice he had given Taft; night, to move that an humble addrefs be {sr cleated to his Majefty,reque ft ing that he would nett grant any o ffi ce for life that had ufually been granted otherwife. He laid, that, before he entered ; on the fuhjea, there were two things which he withed ;t t premife to the Houle. He begged .the Houle to believe his affurance, that in bringing forward this motion, he was enxions to clear away any fufpicion that might have ruggefted itfelf to any one, that he was aftuated by any unworthy motive, ariting from a hoftile difpofition to the Right Hon. Gentleman who was immediately implicated in the queftion. He had, for many years, lived in habits of intimacy with him, and no one more than himfelf revered his pri vate charaaer. Neither was he impelled to take the part he did, from the friendfhip and regard he had for his Majefty's late Minifters. He alto withed the Houle to believe, that he was far from entertaining any with or defire to trench on the Prerogative of the Crown. He had endeavoured to inform himfelf as accurately and correaly as pollible, on thefubjea ; and he found that from 1663 to the pretest period, there were oily two inftances in which the Crown had been induced to grant the office of Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancafter for life ; and for thole grants there were moft cogent and important reafons, dif fering, in his opinion, very widely From any that could be urged on the prefent occafion. . If this were made out, he flattered himfelf the Houfe would ac quit him of any other intention in the.part he took, than that of performing his duty as a Member of Par liament. the firft inftance which had occurred of this office being granted for life was in the year 1617, when it was to given to Lord Lechmere, who had filled the office of Attorney General for many years with the higheft reputation, and who had been ho• noured with a Peerage. In this cafe :411 the avenges in the profeflion were (hut againit him, and it was thought advifable, that after a long lite of official ditty he Ihould receive tom: remuneration. Lord Lechmere therefore having no other office, accepted that of Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancager for life. This precedent however had not been approv ed, and had never again been retorted to till in the year 1732. It was a fecond time difpufed of by a grant to Lord Afhburton for life, but—under what circumliances? Were they at all to be compared with thole attending the prefent occalion ? Lord Afhbur ton had filled the office of Solicitor General with the moft fpleadid reputation. Lord Afhburton had alto for a great number of years, aloft eminently chain guilhed himfelf in that Houle, as the fleady, uniform and animated advocate of the rights, liberties, and privileges of the people. He did not recolletft any inftance of a fimilar nature, in the Parliamentar y condua of the Right Hon. Gentleman to whom this office was now laid to be intended. Lord Afhburton had arrived to the higheft pinnacle of reputation in his profeflion, but all the avenues to it were at that moment doled againft him. Lord Mansfield filled the high office of Chief Jullice of the King's Bench; Lord Loughborongh that of the Common Pleas.— Lord Afhburton had, therefore, been induced to ac cept the Chancellotfhip of the Duchy of Lancafter for life, there being no other more eligible mode of giving r.im a remuneration for the facrifices he had made, and the eminent fervices he had performed for the country. There was; therefore, in his mind, no kind of comparifon between that cafe and the prefent. 'There were the only two folitary inftances which had occurred of the Crown having bellowed this office for life. How then could it be raid, that this motion would trench on the Prerogative of the Crown ? In the year 1783, this Houle having underftood, from information received, that the King had been ads ifed to grant this office again for life, addreffed his Ma jelly not to grant the Chancellorfhip of the Duchy of Lancafter for life up to a certain period, and the rea fon was, that a Committee had been appointed by the Houfe to enquire into the nature and ufe of cer tain public Offices, and it was fuppofed that that Committee might advice the abolition of that Office altogether. If it were previoufly given away before the Committee made their report, the doing it away could not be effected, and therefore the Haute re quelled his Majelty not to grant it for life, till loch a time when it wits 1 - tippled the intention of the Com mittee would be made known. He had no objeaion to modify his motion to the terms of that refolution. It was known to the Houfe that a Committee, of a fimilar nature to that he had juft alluded to, was now fitting under their arpointment, which might come to rime determination refpe6ing this Office, as well as others. He would nut venture to affert, that that Committee would refolve to abolith the Office in quef tion, but it might make, or it might will: to make, alterations which loch• a grant as that now made would render impracticable. He looked on the grant ing offices for life• the fame as granting places m re verfion, which would never he done but as a remu neration for prat fervices. The Right Honourable Gentleman might b.: entitled to the efleem of the coontry, but as to remuneration, he could not fay as much. He was now about to be appointed to a lu crative and honorable lituation ; and be could fee no r eafon tvhy he fit . mild be induced to riceept 'it by enticements loch as there.. lin did not mean the mea t-we he propofed to apply to any particular place, but to all - offices in gtheral. In the'iong Egreod.of 16r7i-Ars, there wet a only `taro tolitiry which the aim, in irickitin had been granted for lit' —and on the Addrefs of 1783 being prefentecl to his Majefty, his Majefty had been pleafed to acquiefce in opinion with the Houfe, and defifled from tcllnwing the advice that had been given to him on, that head. It had been fuggefted left night, that the Houfe was taken by fur price by the prefent motion. He had not long had the honour of a feat in the Houle; but he hoped his general character, as well as his conduct, fince he became a Member of it, had al ways been fuch as to give an affurance, that he was incapable of fuch a proceeding. It might, perhaps, be atked, why this motion had not been brought forward when the late lvlinifters came into place ? His anfwer was, becaufe it was well known to all, from the ditlinguifhed charater they poffeired of pa triotifm, and difintereited regard for the country, that there was no occasion for it. It was known to all, that they would not grafp at every advantage, and Mee on etholuments that would increafe the burtheas of the people. The Finances of the country were in a very peculiar Rate, and it was known to all, that their firft views and efforts were direCted to the entreltion of fuch abufes, and tee adoption of fuch meafures, as might matt fpeedily and, efreauelty aid and of a theirs. For thofe reafons, he had thought it neceffary to bring forward filch a motion as the prefent. The Honourable Gentleman concluded by leading his motion. • Mr. WARD (*did, that it was with the higheß fa tisfaCtion he rote to exprefs his warmeft approbation , of the Addrefs propofed by the Hon. Gentleman. lie was an enemy to the praltice of giving or granting of fices for life, becaufe he looked on it as injurious to the prerogative of the Crown, as it put it out of the King's power to punifh any inefficient)? in the pedals acing under his appointment. He might with to dit mils his Minifters, but he would find the power end patronage were no longer his, but theirs. Thae were inftruments which would be dangerous in a weak and wicked Adminiftration, and he thought The Houfe could not be too cautious in guarding the prerogatives of the Crown, fo far as to watch molt diligently how they were taken out of the hands of the Prince, and placed in thofe of his fervent , , in addition to the power and emoluments they held, as attached to thofe places which they enjoyed during his Majefty's pleafure. He concluded by feconding the motion, which was then read from the Chair : "That an humble Addrefs be prefented to his Majefty, befeech lag that his Majctty will be pleafed not to grant for life, the (Ace of Chancellor of the Duchy of Laucalter, or any other office ufually held during plealitre." Mr. PERCEVAL was extremely anxious for the determination of the Houfe upon the fubjeet. In confequence of the notice which had been given yef terday, he had this day abßained from accepting the offices which had been offered to him, and which he would now have been pofteffed of, if it had not been for the prefent motion. He conceived that it Was his duty to give the Houfe as accurate a Rate ment, as was in his power upon that fubjeet, in which he was himfelf f i much concerned. He mica, how. ecer, lira fay, that his Hon. and Learned Friend, (Mr. Martin) might put away from his mind any ap prehenlinn that he could fii plink, that this motion ori ginated in any perfonal ill will to him. He knew his Hon. Friend too well, to fuppofe for a moment that fuch could have been his intention. After this pre liminary ohfervation, he found that it was his - duty to Rate to the Houfe the faits relating to the fituation in which he then flood. Underltanding that his Majefty had formed a determination to exercife his undifputed Prerogative, in taking away the Adminiltration of his affairs from thole who were then his Servants, and in choofing other Minifters ; and having received an exprefs intimation, that it was his bfajelly's molt gracious pleafure to appoint him to the fituation of Chancellor of the Exchequer, and alfo of the Duchy of Lantana.; he was, in confequence of that intimation, ready to receive thofe marks of his Majefty's bounty and favour ; bur, in confequence of the notice that was given in the Houle laft night, when he approached his Sovereign this day, he ear neftly intreated that he might be excufed from ac cepting of thofe offices, until lie had the opportunity of addrefling the Houfe upon the fubjed of the no tice, and hearing their determination. He was anxi ous that no Rep of his fhould appear to fetter his Sovereign in the future exercife of his Royal bounty, to others who might be more deferving of reward, and therefoie he wilted to hear the opinion of the Huufe upon this cubic& ; but at the fame time that he prayed to be excufed this day from accepting the offices that were intended for him, he accompanied that prayer with a pofitive affurance, that whatever might be the determination of the Houfe on the fub jeCt of the place of Chancellor. of the Duchy .of Lancafter, yet that as his Majefty had been pleafed to fuppofe that he was capable of rendering him fee. vice in another fituation (Chancellor of the Exche quer), there was no conlideration which Humid in duce him to decline rendering to his Majefty every fervice that it was fuppofed that he was capable of rendering, with whatever individual lots or facrifice it might be attended. Although he certainly fhould not have confented in the fit-ft inftance, to abandon his profeffional perfnits for the. place which had been mentioned to hitp,',yet if it was afterwards confider ed that his accepting the place of Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancafter would at all infringe upon or fetter the due prerogative of the Crown, he fhould content to wave it, and ferve his Majetly in what ever way it was confidered that his fervices might be molt effeCtual. In withing fcr the place for life, it was riot fo much his own emolument he confulted as the intereft of his family. He could not fee that hi• cafe was fo different from that of Lord Afhburton as his Honourable and LearCied Friend had fuppofe ed. He regretted however, that thole who felt fo ltrongly upon this point did not appear to have ex eat), the fame feelings upon limiter fubjeas at a for mer period. As for himfelf, he did not feel that he had an option whether or not lie would accept of office. In the prefent crifis of affairs, and actual fituation of the count: y, his Majefty had an undoubt ed right to command his fervices, in whatever way he might think proper. He certainly yefterday did not fuppofe, that there had been any objeetion to his accepting the places that were offered to him, and did not now believe, that there were any inftances in point, except what had been already Itated. The cafe of Lord Afhburton took place under the Admi• niftratiun of Lord Rockingham, and of another Noble Karquis (Laufdowne), the father of the Noble Lord (Lord 11. Petty) who now prefented the prefent motion. The Noble Lord (Lord Alhburton) was a m to with whorl) it would be prefumptuous as well as indecent for him to fet hirhfelf in comprifnn ; b' ii would remind the Genticrnen on the other fide, ih, t although they might fancy the fervices of that Nob' • in fupporting fume pre ..•s of that Mule; and fume part of the Coniti a 1. a, were ii.fininly greater than he had ever peit.nmcd ; yet the pave of his condua which made the greaten into.vidon on the Haute, and which marked his cbaralfer matt .ficongfv, was his hums Refolution: Is 'm u • t h e influence of the crown had increafed, was iaLreafioo, And ought to be diminifhed." When the - man wh o psopoled that Refohnion, and acquired his fame principally by it, djitiot think it contrary to his prin. ciples or charader in accept of the fame place for life, as a compenfation for gising trl, hu profeflion a t purfnits, he 4id not lupperfe, that in doing the fame thing, he could have been juftly comviemned as with. ing to impair the due prerogatives of the Crown. H e lead of all expeaed that this objellion fhould ht mad e by the fon of the Noble Lord wholad been print'.. pally infirumental in procuring that fituatinn for Lord Alltburton. ft was frefh in the recolleflicrt o f the Houle, that the late Administration had pr o . cured a private Aft of Parliament formate the:NAte Lord who was at the head of it (Lord Grenville) spina the law rf the land, to enable hint to continue ed t for life in the enjoyment of a place entirely incow bent with the attaidemal place which he had accept. rod. That -Noble Lord might as well have been called upon to furreancderthhh had the place tatter place he held ehenclidatiefmnordeed gr e at e, l r i f aso ere he him. e to F refulTa6 oith e Gerelahneit ptemetirc.ent w th iii t Animiniftration, in hot iaa giving n a s w . ay T p h l e ar n r . in revetfinn, extent in one or t. ' fiances, however, which were the exceptions, were where there was no manner of public fervice either performed or eepedled to be performed. It had been totted, that the Lord Chancellor had obtained the* fcir,a perfon whn.hod been his clerk nehen he was a barrider. . It was not pretended, that as clerk to Mr. &Was ha had ever rendered any public fervite, or tlmt;,the place ow .places were given to him either in Iretrofpea or profpedtively dor any fervices. He fhould leAlre it tonhe Houk to confider, whether this mo. Lion arokfrom any large And general view of the fnbjea, or whether it was not,direaed folely again'. him ? be did not mean to fay perfonally, but from his being foppofed to have ficilitated the arranger ments to a new Adminiaration. It would therefore be a ferious fubjettinr the confideration of the Houfe, whether, in the prefent Rate and critic of the country, and when all the circunanaces connected with the new arrangement were before them, when they re colleaed that the objet of fin ming a new Admini. ftration was to peferve the ellabliffiments of the country, and perhaps the religion of it, he hoped they would nut bc ditpated to throw any difficulties in the way of his Majedy in forming a new Admini. (tration, when he conceived that in fo doing he was only labouring to prefeive the Constitution of the Countty. Having faid thus much, he thought that he ought to leave the fubjea to the difcretson and judgment r f the Houle ; and that, as it particularly related to himfelf,he fhould withdraw, after having put the Houfe in poffellion of his fentiments; bur, before he withdrew, he fhouletrepeat, that whatever might be their determination on the fubjea of the Duchy of Lancalter, and whatever lacrifices he might be called upon to make, no fervices that he could be called ' upon to render to his Majefly; fhould, in the prefent -fitnation of affairs, be withheld. Mr. Psacevao then made his bow, and left the Honfe. Mr. PLUMER role merely to vindicate himfelf from the chose that wes yetlerday brought again& him, of making a flatement in that Houk on the mere authority of an idle rumour. It appeared now, from what had fallen from the Right Hob. and Learned Gentleman, that his fla:ement had been perfectly ca res, and that if it had not been for the notice taken of it lift night in the Houle, the bufincfs would have gone too far to remedy it, and the Right Hon. Gen tleman would have now been in poffeffion of the tee places. He did not pretend to deny the merit of the Right Hun. Gentleman, or mean any thing perfonal againft him, but he had a great objection to the prin• ople of givhig a great place for lite, merely as an in ducement to a perfon to accept of an office in the fer• vice of the country. the emoluments of which had hitherto been conddered a fufficient compenfation. Lord HENRY PETTY laid, that if he bad not been to perfonally alluded to by the Right Honourable and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Pero. val) he did not think he fhould have troubled the Houle with any oblervatione upon the prelim queftion. was ready to join •petfeelly with the Hon. Gentl-:man who had brought forward' this mu 'don, in difclaiming any thing like perfonal Warty or perfonal reflection upon that Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman, who was the moll immediately interefled in the prefent mntinn ; and he had no he fitation in !lacing, that if the faary annexed to the fituation of Chancellor of the Exchequer was not fuf. ficient (and he believed it was nut), lie fhould have ED objection to granting loch an augmentation to it, as would afford a reafonable and proper compenfatioa for the fervices which might be expected from the Right Hon. Gentleman. But although he certainly did object to a place for life being given to that Ges tleman, in order to induce him to accept the fittik I tion ; yet as he had not before faid a word upon the fubjea, he did not know how the Right Hon. Ger tleman hacqslifcovered that he intended to foppott the motion. He though'. it was alfo fumewhat titans* that he fhould be charged with acting inconfillentln or, in a manner difrefpeaful to the wentnry of 11 ' 6 near relation (the Marquis of Lank:own) if be Ifni, not to be bound completely by thole precedents d the year 1762 or 1783. He thought there rat I great difference between the cafes cited and the pro fent—but if there were not, he fhould not think it ' quite fair to charge him with inconfidencllonif fhould hold a different opinion. T hat relat ,fo ..s near and dear to him (the Marquis of Lanfdown, father) had abundant claims upon his love and i r l e r : fpea, without adverting to the cafe of Lord Afltb ton. But, however fincerely lie was bound to r!fpa oat his opinions and his memory, there were no ties r C r e n i ti a l t e i ° prevent n thii or him private i v i n a t t e h a a t ffe H a n i u u a fr n o d m r c ef lp pe r a ctii , s o w: e i n .c mi : own opinion on any fuhjedt that came before th c fo o r nc d ei fvccuiff to be The quite ll prefent : as to the cafe of Lor d Afhburton, l l be recollected that the place of t he Duchy of carterems not given him as an int. d c i a fi re l ne 7 f. ' and Lord o f r e d par L at e e ci f itmo.tentr:u he ' tn l uc ement to take