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T a GENERAL MEETING of the DEPU- Ttas a fir supporting the CIVIL RIGHTS of PROTESTANT InbIENTERS, held at the King's Head Tavern in He Poultry, Lention,ithe 15th of May, 1811 ; WILLIAM SMI TH, Esq. M. P. in the Chair, Resolved, 'lilac Liberty of coitocience, comprehending the Prineleat of publieiesseesbiths far reiiiimis worship add. instruc tion, in sett ms, aid under such teachers as men shall for themselves svrove, is the inalienable right of all; in the peace able exercise of which they are net justly tontroulabln by the civil Magistrate. - Resolved, That this liberty has been generally recognised in the practice of the Be.t.sh,Government, since tlw gra of the Re vislution, under the construction of the statute . ennimonly called the Toleration Act. 1 but whai ever may have been the letter of the law, the spirit of toleration ha; been extended, and a large portion of religion; liberty actually enjoyed. Resohred, That we hive b:-held with great concern a Bill lately brqpght into Parliami nt, designed, as appears to us, to arldge such rel.glous liberty, and having a tendency to deprive the lower classes of the community of those opt ortuuities which they have ea long-eninyea. to attend public worship and religious instruc tion under teachers of their owe choice. Resolved, .1 hat as deputed by Large and respectable bodies of protestant Dissenters to attend to their civil rights, it becomes our bounden duty immediately to pretest against the principle of such a measure, and to point out the unjust and vexatious opera tipa of theiduresaid Bill, as now brought into Parliament. Resolied, That a Petition against the saidellill, grounded on the principle& of the foregoing Resolutions, be .signed by the Members of this Meeting, and presented to the Legislature. Resolved, 1 hat the foregoing Resolutions be signed by the Chairman and inserted in all the public Papers. WM. SMITH. Chairman. 11. That, from the risible deelaration of the ilheraambided and illustrious Prince Weger.t of the Empire, that he will deliver up the Constitution unaltered to his POyalfather, this Meeting are encouraged to indulge a confident hope, that meaning so in novating and injurisus can :lever obtain the santeon of his high authority, and that they also rejoice that it has not been intro duced by his Majeety'. Government ; and that respectful appli cation he therefore made to them for their wise and continued protection. That a Petition to the Hoene of Lords against the Bill be signed by all the Peewins present at this Meeting ; and that all Congregations of Protestant Dissenters, and other Friends 4W-IReligiousleiberty throughout the Empire, be recommended to present similar Petitions ; and that a Committee, con dining of Persons resident In Londoe, and in the Country, be appointed to effectuate these prectediegs, and to adopt any measures they may deem exptelient; to prevent the successful prosecution of this Bill —and that such Committee may increase their number, and that any three Members be competeet to act. 9. That these Resoletinns be cimmie I ielt etihy tile Committee now appointed to the Cornmitt. e tor guarding the privileges of the Methodists, and to the Deputies and Ministers of the COn• gregat inns of Protestant Dissenters of the three denominations hi or near London; and that their co-operation and assistance be respectfully invited. 10. That a Sebstription he entered into to defray all expellees which may be incurred; and that all Friends to Religious Liberty ' throughout the Empire be invited to contribute ; and that such Subscription he appropriated at the discretion of the Committee. 11. That Subscriptions be received by Mews. Robarts,Curtis. and Co. I ombard-street ; and Sir James Eadaile and Co. Lein bard-street: That Thomas Pellatt, Esq of Ironmongers' liall,and John Willis, Esq. of liexton-squaie, be solicited to act as joint Secre taries to the Committee. 13. That the acknowledgements of this Meeting be presented no the Geetlenten by whom it was convened, for the vigilance meritoriously displayed, and ter their prompt attention to every attempted infringement of the Invaluable and long-established rights of the Protestant Dissenters. 14 That this Meeting present their ardent Thanks to the Chairman, for the attachment to Religious Lelerty which he his displayed, by consenting to preside on this occasion, and for the attention rid ability which he has manifested, 13. That their Thanks be also presented to John Wilks, Esq for the ability and real which he has manifested as teeisnraty Se cretary, and for his eloquent and useful exertions at this Meeting. Is. 1 hat these Resolutions be published in the Newspapers signed by the Chairman, and that measures be ado p ted by tine Committee, necessary to give then requisite publicity. SAMUEL. MILLS, Chairman. .. - MEETING OF PROTESTANT IfIeSENTERS. A T a numerous and most respectable MEETING of PROTEeTANT'DIeSENTERS of various denomina tions, and other FRIENDS to RELIGIOUS LIBERTY, residing In different pars of the United Empire, held at the London Ta vern, isishopstee-street, on the 15th of May, lei i, • SAMUEL MILLS, Esq. Chairman, The following Resolutions were agreed to:- 1. Teat tkis Meeting believe that there are at least two mil lions of Proicuant Dissenters in the Kingdom of England and Wales, including persons of opulent fortunes, high literary at tainments, and =tee benevolence; teat their exertions have contributed to promote industry, knee/ledge, good morals, social order, and public prosperity; that they are not inferior to any fellow 'subjects in fervent love to their country, nor in ardent loyalty to their venerable Sovereign, whose early promise to " ' TRUER'S TPIr TOLILUTION ACT INVIOLATI; has made an indelible Impression on their beards, and that any means which might excite their discontent and enfeeble their attachment, would therefore at any time, and especially at this period, be in onnsistent with the national interest, and with wise and liberal policy. Q. That although this Meeting consider the right to worship Goo according to individual judgment as an inalienable right, superior to all social Regulations; and although they have long anticipated a period when all Penal Laws for worshipping GOD according to their consciences would be abolished, they have been unwilling to agitate the public mind for the attainment of heir hopes, and presuming that no person would in this age ven are to assail the .1c; of Toleration after the ever memorable declaration of the King, they have been content to regard it with grateful emotions, and to esteem it as an effectual protection from the recurrence of former persecutions. --- 9. That the persons assembled at this Meeting have received HOUSE OF COMMONS. with great anxiety the communications frequently made by the The Beard of Controul Bill was read a .first time, and ordered' , Right Hon. lord Viscount Sidmouth, of his intention to pro- to be read a second time tomorrow. pose legislative Enactmenis interfering with the laws relating td The East-India Bend BiU was read a first, and ordered to be• Protestant Dissenter'; that they did hope the applicationshe has read a second time. received, and the information communicated, would have pre- The Report of the Irish Militia Volunteering Bill was brought vented his perseverance; but they have learned the disappoint- np .—A men dmints agreed to. ment of their hopes, and have ascertained the proyision of the at Bill which he has length introduced into Parliament with ex- The Resolutions of the Committee o f Su pp l y , 14 the Canada Runt Committee, and of the Comtoltteee on Cotton-wool, Pot trense regret, and with peintill appreheneion. ash, Irish Prizage, Irish Salt Provisions, and Irish Lighthouses, 4. This this Bill declares that all the provision relating to Dissenting Ministers contained In the Toleration Ac t, a nd in the were reported, and Bills ordered. On the motion for the committal of this Bill, subsequent Act for their further relief, were intended to be Mr. ARAM, adverting to the additional duties about to he limited only to Ministers of separate Congregations, and enacts. Imposed by the Spirit Duty Bill, suggested that the wash prepa 1. 'That such Ministers, upon being admitted to the peaceable red before notice of this duty should be exempted. possession and enjoyment of the peace of Ministers of a separate • rhe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that notice Congregation, mar, on a cerificate in writing, under the lands had been gives in the Bill that was lost; and that the duty would of several substantial and reputable Householders belonging to not take p lace before the time when tha t BJI, if not lost, might such Congregation, signed in the presence of some creditable have been expected to pass. witness, who is tsetsake proof of their signatures upon oath at a The Bill was then committed, and a clause added, exempting General Sessions of the Peace, be permitted to take oaths and to all wash of which an account had been taken in the Excise-books sign the Declarations previously required, and shall then, and previous to the 15th of this present month. then only, during their continuance to be Ministers of such sepa- The Sp irit Duty Bill, after some further observations from Mr. rate Congregation, be entitled to all the privileges am) exemptions was which the forn.er Acts had conferred. Ild. That any other per- ee:, was ordered dered to be committed on Mondai . son who may desire to qualify himself to preach as a Dissenting GRAND JUNCTION CANAL WATER-WORKS. Meister, must procure several substantial and reputable house- Sir JOHN COX HIPPISI.EY moved the further considers- holders, being Dissenters of the same Sect, and of the same Con- tine of the Report of the above Bill, which was opposed by Sir gregation, to certify on their consciecces, in writing, to his being W. Curtis, and Sir J. Anstruther, who moved that it be post e Protestant Dissenting Minister of their Sect, and of the Gime Polled to this day three months. Congregation, and to their individual and long knowledge to his After a further conversation, in the course of which Mr. Si sobriety of conversation, and to his ability and fitness to preach; rneon and Mr. Shaw Lefevre spoke against the original m o ti on , and that such Certificate must be proved as before stated, before and Mr. Pole Carew in suppntt of it, a question arose as to the be he pertained to take the oath and subscribe the declaration propriety of disallowing the Votes of Members, personally hoe. before he be exempt from the pains, penalties and punishments rested; upon which the Speaker rose and referred to two cases, to which he would otherwise be liable as a Dissenting Minister, one in 1800, and au antecedent one in 1797, when this deserip- And S. That any person of sober life and conversation admitted ties of Votes had s eenb he w reje ct ould not vote en this question after ed. to preach on probation to any separate Co n g re g ation must p ro- , Mr. WARDE duce a Certificate front several Dissenting Ministers, who have what had fallen from the Sp eaker, but ex p ressed a wish that the taken the oath (to be also proved on oath at a General Sessions) point should be clearly decided. of his life and conversation, and to their long previous knowledge, Sir J. NEWPORT observed, that such a principle might be before he can be admitted to take the Oaths and subscribe the extended to any length, and quoted the instances of questions Declaration, and that he may then, during a limited period, to be connected with the public funds, the encouragement of corn, &c. specified in the Certificate, officiate as a probationer to any Die- Those who had an interest in opposing, by the same rule, ought 'tenting Congregation, and be, during a limited period, exempt to be excluded. Irons prosecution and punishment; but neither of theewo last Mr. HUSKISSON thought there was no danger to be appre mentioned class of persons will he entitled to any privileges o r hended on that head. No quest ion could arise on the valieke of to the exemptions front offices co n ferred on Dissentin g Mini sters any Member's vote, except upon a particular challenge,. of the by the Toleration Act. justice of which the House must fi nally determine. The rule f. That the principle assumed as the foundation of the Bill laid down by the Speaker had been applied in 1797, with respect Is incorrem. .1 bat the Toleration Act authorised any persons to the Loyalty Loan, lie had himself then been challenged, and to become Dissenting Ministers, who conceived themselves to justified by disclaiming the possession of any personal interest. be called and qualified to preach, upon giving security to the Mr. FULLER assured the Honourable Member (Mr. P. Ca- State tor their Loyalty and Christian Principles, by taking car- rew) that if he should vote on the question, he (Mr. Faller) taro Oaths, and by subscribing certain Declarations, and not would challenge his v ngote. o n ly prevented tht it prosecution under Laws ma de in times less eeheelouse then divided—For the original Motion 65— Against favourable to civil end religious liberty, but conceiving their it SO—Majority for the Report 23. labours to be of public utility, granted to them exemptions IRISH BREWERS. from aU parochial offices and other deues which might inter. Mr. GRATTAN moved that the petition from fere with their more important exertions—that such construction the Irish Brewers, praying that the Duty of 2s. 6d. of the Oath of Toleration has been sanctioned by the general as never Steen infringed by any dice. 'upon - Spirits be restored to the forme r r a te o f ss. Bd . practice of a century, and h *ice: in a superior. Court of Law; and that it even such construe. per galloa, be referred to the Committee of the whole Lion be incorrect, and Legislative eapositiou be required, such de. House. He read extracts from the several papers, to (amatory Bill ought to follow the intention of the only Act which Drot . e the growing dissoluteness in t he manners of t he ,bas subsequently passed : and should extend, and not contract ; • common l as h , protect, and not impair tbe relief afforded by the former ancient in consequence of the cheapness of nab venerable statute. ardent spirits. He contended also t hat the tax had 6. That the lull introduced Into Parliament is not justified by failed in point of reveue. any necessity, and will be highly injurious; that it is unnecessary Mr. SHAW (of Dublin) seconded the motion.— because the evils presumed to result front the Ouse* of the te nting laws by few persons who may have impruperly taken the He said that of the exi4tence of the evils com p lained oaths required from Dissenting Preachers and 'leacheei; sto out of by the Petitioners • there could be il i o seasonable exist but to a most inconsiderable extent, and because the eaten- doubt, and when they considered what must be the skin of all such abuses hes been aexiously, and would be efface ' inevitable consequences of not timely remedying those Wally discountenanced by every class of Protestant Dissenters, evils, and also how fatal their longer continuance ham that it must be injurious, because it will introduce forms un aisessdented, inconvenient, or impracticable—will render hint- must be to 3 trade of such weight and extent as east Preachers, Students of Divinity, Mivieters on Probation, that of the I3rewers, it really appeared to him send many persons, to whose ardent piet y and disinterested labours as if the present question was in effect, whether it .eausiitudes are indebted for Religious lustructiom, liable to serve . wasfor the of Ireland thattheßreweries of interests all Civil Offsces; aqd will expose all Ministers or the ViltDelliCS . otopilbe Certificates to be harnessed by repeated attendances at dile , mat country should be allowed by the Legislature to ,Assent Sessions, and to capricious riaminations and unlimited ex- exist at all ? It aught surely to be a principle in im . "! pages bec-eioc by limiting the right of persons to become Du- nosing taxes, that as far as it could possibly be done -owsbillibuisters hi obsdathet to their co n s ciences, it will im- r we should avoid injuring the morals of the people.— spew Wei. restriettons on toleration, and because it will create a . . •peeresdent for *future attempts at even snorts dangerous or fatal , Indeed, in his view of the question, he th o ug h t t h at eePertanents against religious liberty. morals shouletiMer be sacrificed to revenue. (Hear).i ..; T. That although meat teltte.ant to interference with politica! —Since the great reduction of the duties on spirts affairs, they therefore cannot regard the present attempt with- , e st al illed - in Ireland, he believed there was no Gentle- Wes peculiar sensations of alarm, mid that veneration tor their Man who had been for any time in that country since . t eseiesers, regard to ill* pus teeity, respect for rights which they can sever abandon, slid tilt enured obligations which they feel, that peri • od, who must not liar been sensibly struck will thsrietare conipet client 'tie 'ell:regard all deco inal and actual with the rapid and lamented change in the general effistineelons e and to spite, by every legitimate effort, to prevent habits and morals of the lower orders of the people. the Pending bill traitu'oassitig .19N a Law, sa4 tie oppose the h abits i L steeliest dimwit:cum of the privileges secured by the A ct of Toe He spoke from his own knowledge, when he said that that charm had been felt among the lower or. :711 "" • )census • ,a f . . ._. .. ... " • • .....- PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY 16. BERKELEY PEERAGE. The Socicyroa-Gawsaec this day addre-sed the Committee of Privileges, for several hours, in answer to the arguments of Sir Samuel Romilly an I Mr. gerjeant Best. The Learned Solicitor then proceeded to call several witnesses, whose evidence went to prove the mode pursued in respect to the second mars iage, the re gistering of the•third son's name, and the situation of Lady Berke ley in 1784. About seven o'clock the Committee adjourned tiU two o'clock tomorrow. The Five Million and a Hall 5 per cent. Loan Bill was read a second time, and committed for to-morrow. • After forwarding the several Bids on the table, the House ad journed till to-morrow. den of the city of Dublin, to an meat that would of was, that, against his own judgment and experier..e itself be sufficient to awaken the attention of Parlia- he had consented to the abolition of fines, and to ment to this very important question. And here he! total change in consequence of the distillery system could riot help saying, that even if the redaction of ; When it could be proved in the Committee that the this tax had had no injurious effect upon the revenue,lcause of the late idleness, drunkenness, and immora. still we should pause before we made the vices and . lity was exclusively to be ascribed to the lowering of dissolute habits of the people a source of public re- the duty on spirits, and that its consequence w a s also venue. — (Hear, hear.)—But to try it upon -flu-owie- to double the number of patients in the hospitals, and ground, the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. treble the number of deaths, he hoped that no Mem. Foster) said, that he reduced the duty in order to bee of the House would wish that this abominable suppress illicit distillation. (Hear, from Mr. Foster.) system should be continued one day longer. He put it to the candour of that Right Honourable Mr. FOSTER explained. Gentleman to say, whether it had any such effect ? ' Mr. GRATTAN asked the Right Hon. Gentle. Did not that Right Honourable Gentleman in intro- man (Mr. Foster) if he consented to a Committee ) ducing this measure to the House, frankly avow that Mr. FOSTER said he had no objection to a Select he made it as a mere experiment to suppress illicit Committee. distillation (here Mr. Foster signified his assent) ; The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER and had not that experiment totally failed ? and after thought it unfair to ascribe the increased immorality it had failed, would the Right Honourable Gentle- to the reduction of the diary on spirits: if spirits were man blindly go on in adhering to a plan which had not lower now than in lt6J7, it was much more na. not only failed of its professed object, but had proved turd' to ascribe it to the great reduction of the price equally injurious to the morals and revenue of the which took place on the prohibition to distil being re. country ?-4 Hear, hear, hear.)-11; however, the moved. With respect to the hospitals, he had been Right Honourable Gentleman would persist, he (Mr. informed that in consequence of several important ion. Shaw) would not go along with him, believing, as provements which had been made in them. the aver. he did, that by resorting to a system of equitable tax- sion of the people to them had been in a great mea ation, fairly apportioned between the two trades that sure removed, and the patients consequently increased. deserved of that House every encouragement—he Lord CASTLEREAGH thought that no revenue meant the Brewer and the Distiller, there might be cnnsideration ought to interfere with the morals of raised upon both, without oppressing either, such a the people. It was certainly the prevailing opinion revenue as Might fully answer the supplies of the in Ireland, that the low duties on spirits had occa. country, without resorting to any further local taxa- sinned the late increase of drunkenness. Spirits ought tion whatever. This however, he might say as to to be discouraged, and malt liquor encouraged, and the principle he had been recommending, that it had the people of Ireland were beginning to habituate received every sanction from the Right Honourable . themselves to the latter. There was a time, perhaps, the Chancellor of the Exchequer for England, who { when spirits might be more suitable to the people of had laid it down as a great rule in imposing taxes . Ireland than malt liquor, but now,. when they weie of this kind, that the morals of the people constituted , better clothed, lodged, and fed, they did not require the first consideration ; this he had said the day be-' spirits to warm them. fore yesterday, and he trusted it had the due impres- The motion for referring the petition to a Com. sion upon the Finance Minister for Ireland. With mittee was then agreed to ; and a Select Committee respect to the question, whether the reduction has o r was app oin t e d , consisting f— has nut been productive of • the mischiefs attributed Mr. Grattan Mr. Wilberforce Chancellor of the Eschequer to it, and whether it had or had not altogether failed , Lord Cut lereagh Fost Ba were questions which he should leave to lie Mr. decided Mr. Cau er nin Mr. W. thurst Smith by the testimony of those facts which were already Mr. Huskisf Mr. on Mr. Bidduiph authenticated upon the table of the House. The Mr. Shaw Sir L Montgomery first fact, as to the failure of the experiment was, that Sir J. Newport •Mr. Alderman Combo no stills had taken out licences in the districts where Mr. W. Pole Mr. Coo p er Mr. Barry Mr. Pent illicit distillation was known to abound, and that lit- Mr. Hutchinson Mr. Parnell the or no spirits had been transmitted into those di:- Mr. wine Mr. Thompson, etc. tricts from the licensed distilleries in the other parts MISR MU. of the country. The other statement went to prove Mr. SHAW called the attention of the House to the alarming increase of disease,, owing to the intent- the Petition from the Proprietors of Newspapers ia Aerate use of ardent spirits in consequence of its Ireland, for the repeal of an Act of the lest Session, cheapness. Here Mr. Shaw read the Monthly Re- imposing an additional Duty on Advertisements.— ports of various Hospitals, in Dublin and other parts That Tax had been found, not only oppressive, but of Ireland, where it appeared that the increase of the unproductive, fords fforded, therefore, the strongest number of sick admitted, and the number of deaths, of nil rrasons itabolition. The additional duty in consequence of excessive intoxication, had gone in came to be levied for the first time on the 16th of July such a progressive increase, that the number of sick „ last. The gross produce of the Tax on Advertise. had doubled, and that of the deaths had trebled, within ! ments for the six months previous to that period, a very limited period. Upon the whole, as the re- : amounted to £14,159155. and that for the six months (faction had not, nor in his opinion could not, do 'following amounted to £14,930 17s. 10d. leaving an iwhat it professed to du—but as it had already done , apparent increase of £77125. 10,1.; but this increase muchlo impair the revenue of Ireland, to injure the . was more than accounted for by the institution of health and vitiate the morals of the Irish people, the 1 three clew papers, two of which were published daily, motion for sending it to a Committee should have his , the duty upon advertisements in which amounted to cordial support. £l,ooolos. 4d. so that the duty had in reality beets I Mr. FOSTER agreed in the pract ice of the prin. diminished by £259 13s. Much of the amount of the ciple laid down by bsth the Gentlemen who preceded I latter period, was for Government Proclamations, him. He should be ashamed to hold his office one . ' which were no addition to the revenue. The Tat had hour for the purpose of raising a revenue at the ex- I been found oppressive in the extreme. It was professed pence of the morals of the Irish Peop le. ( Hear! )!to be only two-thirds of the tax on Advertisements in The Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Shaw) had said, ' England, but this proportion was only for advertise. that the reduction was a mere experiment to put ! ments of less than 10 lines; and an Irish advertisement down illicit distillation. Certainly that had been its of 300 lines was taxed in a ratio of 20 to 1 mere principal object—and an object in the endeavour top than in England. The advertisement for the Pena. effect which he had all those Gentlemen with him. I guese Subscription, for instance, paid in Ireland tee Illicit distillation was the great evil, and the higher I pounds fourteen shillings, and would have paid in the duty on the spirits, the greater the p remium to I En g land only three shillings. The consequence was. the illicit distiller. He had proposed a penalty on i that the price of advertising in Ireland greatly meek:- the town lands where illicit stills were found, and ted the means of the advertising class. They were re this mode might have at least put th em down, if it I duced to advertise less frequently, to the great detri. had not been for that most unfortunate measure of ment of the Irish press. It was also to be kept is prohibiting the distillation in Ireland. But the Hon. mind, that the Irish press laboured tinder many bald. Gentleman had contended that the reduction had ships not felt in England : la per cent. for instance, totally failed in suppressing illicit distillation. In was only discounted on Stamp Duties in Ireland, answer to this, he should merely read the Returns of while in England the discount amounted to 17 per the Revenue Officers for the quarter ending Decem- cent. There was not a man attached to the interests der '25, 1810. The amount of Seizures were as fate of Ireland, who must not wish it the blessings of an lows : 572 stills, 378 kegs, 344 worms, 5,562 uten, enlightened press. A press to be enlightened must sils, '2,800 gallons of spirits, and 150,000 gallons of first be independent. He greatly feared that this tax, pot-ale. He denied also that the spirits were at pee- ,if persisted in, would ultimately endanger the very sent so much cheaper, as had been asserted-.-in 1804, ! existence of the Irish periodical press ; and as he was the spirits were 7s. 7d. a gallon ; in 1805, 6, and 7, j satisfied that such never could have been the object about 7s. Bd. ; in 1810, 85. 7d. ; and in 1811, Bs. 6d, i or the wish of the Right lion. Gentleman, he ttuse 'a gallon. After some' further remarks, he said he ed that he would join with him in rescuing it num should not, however, object to the Committee. . those evils to which his own ill-judged measures had Mr. HENRY MONTGOMERY spoke in favour exposed it. He concluded with moving that the Pe. of a Committee up - stairs. , talon should be referred to the consideration of a Corn. • • Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that nothing like •amittee pf the whole House. 1 false shame should ever keep him from .retracting an Mr. FOSTER said, the framers of the tax meant opinion when he was convinced it was unfounded. that it should apply to every ten lines as a new ad. The reason which had induced him to vote espie "iiirfirl l etriert. efhim state, however, what woul d the fines on the town lands was, that they..ha4 .. 'be the effect of the tax if he were to follow the rule as creased to such an extent as to produce anoassof wine to the•Eaiglish duties. If Gentlemen wished this to victim that they could not be levied . .. He Allied ill I* dome let them propose it. In that case, instead of particular to the county of Cavan. ' But the:. O tre• I £14 , 000 the duty would amount to /116,000. le l question was, whether or not the low price of ki Mr. PA KNELL referred to the Act of Un ion, anti. had increased the drunkenness and immoral it y of th de 7e by which it was stipulated , that no ar ticle should people of Ireland ? and that this was the case, hcf ;be subjected to a greater duty than it was liable min would venture to say, would be unanimously declar: Ireland. In this respect, the duty imposed by Mt ed by those Gentlemen who had resided during the . Right Koh. Friend opposite was in contradiction to last year in Ireland. The drunkenness had increased the Act al Union. The same reasoning was applica. to.such a degree, that no workman Weuld *fn. mote Isle to the tax-on hand-biller, which had no existence than two days ite the week.. A man could get corn- , in England. ' * pletely drunk for 4d. This was destructive of all Mr. FOSTER stated, that the tax on hand-bill, good order, and the consequence would be, that a had been proposed by those very petitioners them• military force would be necessary to controtil the ex. selves. They complained that the handbills had the cesses. The Legislature could not be tied up.thy the .erect of taking away from them their advertisements; licences to distillers. The people were their fast ;And having complied with their request, they now care, and the Revenue the second. ... 7 . complained of him for having done so. They bad Mr. WM. TAYLOR. said it was impossible to files proposed a penny on each handbill, to which he wou:d 1 the duty on spirits in Ireland. . • not consent, and a halfpenny was egri ed to Mr. HLTTCHINSON said that all the great Sir JOHN NEWPORT denied that the Right Ibrewers in Ireland had signed the petition , and there- Hen. Gentleman had any right to ma ke his a g ree. tore it was not to be considered as the petition of a ment to go into the Committee, conditional on the few individuals, but as the representatives of the whole fact of the petitioners submitting to the same du• body. The right Hen. Gentleman (Mr. Foster) had ties as those imp o s ed in En g land. The fact was, said the prices of spirits * were not greater now than in that Ireland could not support the same duties as 1807 ; but he would ask him if the brewer retained in England ; their means could pot admit cf it. — the came situation that he then held ? While the The whole effect would be, not to increase the 1t• duty on spirits had been lowered from 4s. to 2s. 6d. venue, hut to put down the press of Ireland. was soy oompensation nude to the brewer ? .What Mr. P.'MOORE was of opinion that the duty as he blamed that Right. Hog. Gentleman most for now laid on Advertisements in Ireland, was calcul -........000N1'l r ~r ~I I , 1 i i