Star. — London, England, 1816-12-21 00:00:00

.►. Addresses which had been voted of late in the Com mon Councils and Common. Halls were the,lientl- Merits of the whole population of the City of 'Lon .. don. but it was no s uch thing a nd he would pre test, tin the part of the iiilothiCants, that the min. ray of them despised such opinions as those which bid been expressed at such assertablies. They de tested and abhorted sach setiments, an it proof the n ecessary he would g ive i n t. He lam d ented that at the last Court there was so large a majority in I your of that Address which so much disgrac eil total proceedings, but he could not resist applauding Noble answer which had been given to it ; and the Ministers who had advised hi, Royal Highness to le turn such a reply received his most hearty thanks. As to the question of Reform, lie maintained that there were no two men who agreed upon that punt. What sort of reform did they want ? Did they wish to throw d , Wil that fabric which had been supportea by the abiiities and exertions °Poor noble ancestors? By some it wax said, that a reform upon broad prin ciples was the only one which c utd he tolerated: but this was contradicted by another set of men woo entertained different opinions, and every one was fighting and quarrelling to obtain that end which each thought most desirable. Dut instead of reform a revolntioo, he maint ained, was the sole object of these sticklers for their own opinions; a revolution,., be would ep-at, was their only intention. It ap- I peared to have been the ob j ect of those who sup- I ported the Address to endeavour to cajole his Royal Highness, ty entering upon subjects as wild and un fathomable as irrelevant to the subject of the national distress: the heavy expenses of the nation were al. hided to in the most iadecent language, without giving the least reflection to the subisct ; without considering that Great Britain had sustained a pro tractc.l watt Lou twenty-live years, and that the ex penses must have been necessarily enormous. They talked about the blessings of peace, yet adored that worthy gentleman who had been sent to St. Helena, conceiving, in the same wild strain ut thinking, that he would be the man. of peace, and to whom all these blessings were attributable. Mr. Davis c died to order. The Honourable Ba. Mnet was exercising his brillial:t talents in a wide field, and did not attend to the point in question. Whether this'Aabliter should be recorded or not was now to be decided. that gracious Answer which his Royal Hieliness was graciously pleased to send. Sir W. Comas complained, that the Honourable Gentlem an Who had called him to order had taken occasion to mike a speech at the same time. Al though on a liumer occasion the Address had been tattled by so large a niajoiity, yet he would not flire:ll an such ; he would speak l.'s mind, however much it might be .4 direct vatiance with the senti ments of the Gentians:it he now addressed. He . . thAt his Royal Highness, by his reply. had wisely nut to touch up an the subject of Ite`otol, so largely and so indecently touched upon in the Address. He admired the Answer ; it was most gracrou., wand, and magnificent. Mr priors said, thathe had not intended to have opened his lips upon his'subject, had not some ob sere +saris fell:n, which he could not but make a few nitwits upon. He commenced by ouserving on what b.d Appeared in the public prints cf the pro ceedings tit the last Court. He had never sent to the psi , r Any report of his own speeclies—( (bus. 'ties, gentiaa.)—He thought the Answer of his Roy b al Highness could na t be called gracios. On the su - ject of Return) he believed that there was but ate opinion among good men; there was not a roan existog that wished more than he did to see that re form carried into esecution which was justified by good sense and moderation. He had heard much of the corrupt state of the House of Parliament; but what surprised him very much was, to see such re spectahle characters as Mr. Hunt and his Lordship (pointing to the Lord Mayor) stretching all their nerves to obtain a place among such a corrupt body of men. It would be very extraordinary to see such Men get into such bad company. There did at pre sent exist distresses of a most extraordinary nature a man must be blind who did not see it, and wicked it he dad not admit it ; but lie never could persuade himself that all these evils could be cured by a Re form in Parliament. Mr. WAITIIMAn called to order the Hon. Gen tleman had not said one word to the purpose. Mr. Dixon observed, that he bad listened patiently to the speeches of some gentlemen, which had lasted for an hour or two together, but they never had thought them too long. He expected a little patience ti-day, because, as tomorrow (this day) was St. Thomas's day, in all probability it would be the last speech he should make in this Court. He must allow that the Address passed at the last meeting was agreed to almost unanimously ; but he would be ex cused in sating, that it was a most unfair advantage taken to call for a division—(No, rte.) He was con fident that what he said was the tact. Mr. NIVAITIIMAN again called to order. Mr. HAIIVEY asked how was it possible to deter mine whether this message were or were not gracious, unless the principles of the Address, to which at. was an answer, were considered. Mr. WAITHIIAN. replied that the address had al ready been fully discussed. The people had been exercising their undoubted right ot petitioning. The Lotto MAltent obsetved, that any gentleman bad a right to enter into the question of Reform, in lonstquence of the amendment moved involving in it that topic. If the question were merely upon the original motion, then of course such a discussion as this would not be admitted. Mr. Dixon continued —We might discuss the ques tion of Reform, but the Court ought not to go back to trace all the grie vances of the country to It the war. alas his opinion, that if that war had not been per severed in, and the machinations of the Ruler of Trance defeated, this country might have been, at this day, a province of France. He accused nobody of a design to excite discontent, riot, and mischief ; but he contend, that the tendency of the mea sure and the language of the Reformers, was to lead to bring about such a result. The people were told that they were op - pressed ; that their rulers thought • only of their own selfish purpose:, and neglected to consult their welfare—that their rights were with , &mild front them; and that s reform would be a pa nacea toe all their evils. There was not a baker or a a b o anuitice at their respeCtive. trades that did not iead ihe Neirepapets, _and when they found these doctrines propipted under the sanction ores by isa a table na mes, were they not l iable to be decked thein ? But could this reform, which' was so Much Invested of, either be defined with precision, or could it be productive of all the g ood antici p ated ?No Would two it feed the hungry an d clothe the naked ? people could agree a bout its ingredients a nd if. ever it was the subject of conversation among its friends, there were as many as ;here were persons present. At the meeting ot different opinions upon it the friends of Lord Cochrane, at the Crown and Anchor. Mr Cobbett was called the true reformer ; hot here we had not only variety of opinion in dif• terent persons, but in the same person at different times. H e would ask, was Mr. Cobbett the true re. former according to the present state of his notions, or as they existed last year, or ten ' , car s ago ? He would say to gentlemen, agree among. yourselves what you mean by Parliamentary Reform, and n ti the o n co me and propose your opinions for my adop and support. Adverting to the answer which had been given to the Address, he thought it a proper and gracious one—(No, no.) He heard the call of no, no, became gentlemen probably remembered that St. l'homas's day was tomorrow, and wished to 'lry in a little stock of popularity for the occasion.— They were anxious that their names might not a ppear to their constituents to be connected with an unpo pular act. It this v:rere not the case, they would have 'hewn more boldness. He woul,l do what he thought his duty, and would go and meet wish on- st i tue nts, as he had done tor thirty years,withthe i conscionstiess of having done nothing to induce them to withdraw their support. (Here the, worthy gel,- demon was interrupted by Mr. Faval, tsho said, it he went into such extraneous matter toe Court would be obliged to call tor candles. To this observation the worthy gentltman replied thatit lead perhaps need of light, and sat dowit.) Mr. Houvev remarked, that moderation was not a virtue ninch in vogue at present, and he did not know if the. immeeiate aeproaeh of St. Thomas's day, which ha ,l o.:en alluded to, had any tendenc y to increase it. His seotintents might lose him his seat to-motrow, but no corooderation of that kind would iiifitience his conduct. while he held moo to swerve from the exptession of his opinions, or the discharge of his duty. Allusion had been Tho mamas's .e. to t he Westniioster Meeting, as well as St. day ; and he allowed, that if short electiensoper sted in a salutary manner on the opinions of Gentlemen of the Court. (which w as the object of . Reform to do with Parliaments), the conduct of the Electors of Westminster, with regard to Mr. Cohbatt. diJ not discountenance it. They had treated him proeerly. Adverting to the business before the Court, he I :b. served, that there were two propositions—the one, that the answer of his Royal Highness be inserted in the Journals of the Court, as a most gracious Anse er ; and the other, that the resolution contained in die am endment b e a dopted. As on a former occasion he objected to the original resolutions, on which t.e Petition was founded, and also to the amendnie•lt proposed by another Gentleman now absent ; so, in the present instance, he felt himself called upon to oppose both the motion of the worthy Alderman and the amendment of the mover. He did not see how Ministers, who had conducted the aff its of the country to their present crisis t I I cl V/.10 per sr vat eJ in the war, declaring it jugend necessat y ; who had, dui log its continuance, predicted succi.,s iron) fit iii ness and perseverance; and woo had certainly rea lized every thing they predicted, valid advise their Royal master to return such an answer as would be considered gracious to those who approached the Throne, to tell him, that it was rashly undertaken and obstinately persevered in, without ally justifiable object, or any view of ultimate Advantage No an swer that would appear gracious to the authors r f the Address could have been expected; but at the same time he did not think that it really was gracious, or that the resolution of the worthy Alderman should be adopted which called it so. It was not an answer which, in the circumstances of the country, should have been given, for Ministers should act upon no narrcw or party views; and as the general distress was acknowledged, as well as the unexampled pa tience with which the people bore it, the father of his people might have been advised to return something more gracious and encouraging to those who ap proached with the representation oftheir sufferings, an d proposals of a remedy.—( Hear, hear.) He might have given them more credit for their pa tience, and held out the prospect of better times. But when it was considered how much of the Address was false—how much was exaggerated—how much Was fallacious, he could not have expected an answer satisfactory to all parties. He was asked from a Member of the Court what was false in the Address? and he was not indisposed to state the circumstances that proved the falsehood. The Address alledged that the war was undertaketk in a rash, and pursued in a ruinous manner, contrary to the wishes, and in defiance of the remonstrances of the People. Let any one turn back to the Addresses of the Court, and it would be seen how inconsistent had been its proceedings, and how much it had exposed itself to that charge of incapacity for understan ding politics which had been so generally brought against it out 1 of doors. Let any one look back at the fulsome 1 Addresses to the allied Sovereigns, in which there was a very different opinion delivered of the war, and an opinion too from which there was no dissent; although the mover of the Address that had just been presented was then in 'the Committee. But the present Peti- tion had taken a different view of the matter, and in' his opinion had stated what was not true, when it told his Royal Highness that this war was undertaken in opposition to the will of the People, and that the re there had been all that the most violent Reformers de / snanedd prevent r o e v f e ß n e t f t o h r e m re w cu o r u r l e d ne r e e mofov similare all i e t v s i c l g o , nse l q i u ine n i 74, mind, Annual Parliaments and Universal Suffrage, he was persuaded the war would have been undertaken. The worthy mover of the-Address ins ce acknow ledged this on various occasions, whm: n al the coal mencement of that career which had been so consii tent, could not get a seconder in a Petition against it. It was the more to his credit that, though standing alone, -he had the boldness to protest against what its his judgment appeared unjustifiable and ruinous I.:. but surely* the. complete desertion in which he was left when he remonstrated against the warp was sea proof that a Parliamentary Reform, which would give the popular voile full .indoence, would have prevented what the populate voice so unahithopiy illiwettirPeP°ltsillillsethegjettifaregnn!ot4hrerea"nril . rontboawsutirdalsnarhcanaes"vshelciiyiflls::findletnit:h" 134:1::::::edtrws;la.na:golt:alt9111!Sett,.. Subsequently , loud against ,it.heanaddmpitattet mtehieltaproyetßilaerforvmotcent;W:4•lalst ha've led to a more speedy tetmination f but. that it could now instantly repair all our losses, remove all rciti)rieop;B4,ll;::::nri ctivi;iitsreuils,elos,unde_as OCfst4h:olreililurgilll:iii)ertitciVii:o47nnin:::;:e: : h S n e c a a we ni :: ::::; e i : sst,ll:loronul'ibdeenri:leitt:::::: eo d di i t .r l s . er e l i: ts t: ; 11( 1, : , : i g.i ) b e the Spa-fields Meeting, about which so much hid ' een said, he had no doubt that there were there Inselalntyhelilornveistte,inodringdiVi'td7::tatt:y)enol w‘‘:lilloosewporiutilcjilltrest rove ; leat there were among tlitqn they coold not app likewise many Electots, who, if the Mover o! the Adlress would make a speech to them in Common Hall, would applaud his el:apt:lice and popular Leo timents; and if the worthy Aide:man were to sic ceed him, would scarcely hear him tote h end of y, a few sentences; but w:,o, when an electon canr would give their vote for the latter in preference to the former. Mr. AY ELL spice to order, observing, that their F time alas valuable, and that there would b.: no end to the deb ite, it their attention was thus to be di-' 'cried from tt.e question. Mt. HattveY saki, it was the first time since Lis possession of a seat in that Court that he bad been called to order, and as to-morrow was St. Thomas's II 1) ty, perhaps it would be the last. I-le would, how ever, do his duty, and maintain that Reform must prove fallacious, gutless it began among the people themselves. To take up the %Worthy Alderman again, he would venture to predict, that although probably not twelve hands would be held up for him in public, yet, if it should come to an election, he woul std carry it, with all his corrup tion about him, again tke Worthy Mover, or the Lord Mayor himself, amid.[ all his newly acquired bottoms. Such was the hull ,- ence of received or expected favours. In his opinion, they ought to confine their addresses to the improvis meat of their own particular situation ;' and ii be -hould happen to be again returned, he pledged him -1 bell to bring tortvard some measure for the purpose of obtaia ins; an Act of the Li;islatere, enabling them to give their votes by ball ,t in the election of their tepresentatives. He would also support an ad dress for the restoratiwn of triennial Parlia:nents, with a view of pantiving the artful insinuati , n that t he a dvocates fit ret.am never agreed upon alby spe cific me 41:re. Wete these measures adopted, they would tint be much iimger doomed to the ' sliaizrace of seeing three out of fur of tilt it Membet a the per petual supporters of what was called the Pitt system. ro come, hoarver, to the immediate point, he ob jected both to the original motion, and to the amend ment : to the former, becau'e he could not consider it As " most gracious,” or as what ought to have been returned to the complaints of a suffering and faitht ill people ; to the later, because the Answer was such as might have been expected to an Address framed of such discordant m aerials. The cause of Reform was prejudiced by such statements, in which opinions upon different subjects were heaped together, and no distinction was observed between sentiments in which all were unanimous, except those who lived upo . corruption, and the wild and unfathomable schemes of two descriptions of nierv, one of whom were suspected regicides, and the other convicted apostates. Mr Warrtistan observed, that the speech of the Gentleman who preceded him was nothing but a re petition of his former, which not being reported agreeably to his mind, he seemed now desirous of seeing we reported. He conreiided that the public opinion was decidedly unfavourable to the revolu tionary war as early as the year 1794, in which the famous gagging bills were passed. The late war, had, it was true, latterly assumed a defensive charac ter, and the country had supported it from a convic tion of its necessity ; but the unjust wars alluded to by the Address comprehended the two American wars, and therefore involved no sort of contradiction. Mr. SLAM observed, that the system of voting by ballot meant nothing else than to enable Englishmen to fight under a mask. From that moment he should ever consider Mr. Harvey as an enemy to reform. Mr. Dixon made some further observations to prove the inconsistency of those who supported the amend ment ; but the cries of order were so frequent and loud as to render them unintcliigible to u:. The RICORDIM ,then put the question upon the amendment, which was declared by the Lord Mayor to be allied by a shew of Wilds. The LORD MAYOR laid before the Court a resolu tion of thanks from the associated Catholic Charities, for a vote of 8200, which was read, and ordered to be entered on the Journals. _ — GERMAN PAPERS. AUGSBURG, DECEMBER 7. The Alsemeine Zeiticuj, of this date has the following interesting Article : .4 MADRID, NOV. 7. Tile change in the Spanish Ministry riches great hopes in the blends of Spain. The various changes that have taken place since the return of the King have evident marks of the influence of intrigue and cabals. In all these changes the Monarch appeared :merely as the instrument .4 the views of some ambi• ; Onus persons, as if he were insensible of the parts which they made him act; as if he were always ,ready to give his confidence as quickly as to with• draw it on the first opportunity. • ec The Duke of San Carlos, General Ballasteros, the Minister of the Colonies, Lardizabal ; the Minis -ter of Justice.- Mezano ; tl Minister 64 Finance, Vallego, were expelled from the Administration almost in a disgraceful manner ; most of them are still in banishment. It is not necessary to add how much such a sudden change must detract from the dignity of the King and the reputation of the chief Officers of State, and discontent takes root in all minds. Cevallos, on the contrary, has been dismissed in th e most indulgent manner. The King , had the goodness to cause him to be advised to anticipate, by his voluntary resignation, his necessary removal from public affairs, and even to afilow him to draw yp himself the ,Decree by which this measure should be made public. He did not tail to take the hint. sThe Decree. which the King had 01 rosiness to sign, woes the modesty of this Mi nister. His /Aim lop g Itesitatoll about removing 2 Minister. who, by hating to long maintaintd Err. self in his place anridF.t the vicissitudes which Spain has experienced since 1601, had gained apt apprn. of popular favour. It was the Prince ,f t h e a .: 11 : c tal e cee owl haosaicilkviayncier.ml Ir, r, in ia i t i i r ( di l i . r to d , i ca p l o i b ; ntciaansee. Secretary of State Fr Fen eign Affairs; a, It sit (;.,any leild the reins of Govesument in iris Cevallg , s was ettily a kind to qie.g ,et. is I A unpleasant answers an d d etriment al result'. tions were cntruved and ascribed. It was he wh:i gave his name to the sacriices in Italy Amin ica, to the subsidies that siert. pad to Prance, Every hedy knows how ke cambi a : ted i• towards iti,..eplt iSouriparte, and ar timar d i towards the Cotter. Not Sc) well k'inwn was tka share which he had in the tiiipardoriable conductcf Sp a in in resprct to Louis XVIII. upon the rs.ap, pearance of Napoleon, as well as in t he paraecueioa and severe treatment nt the Curter , . The cleat es. i.o,ute of conduct would, doubtless, muse F et , din and in the eyes of his most severe :ridge. " A greater degree of ribsturity involves the a& (Jet correspondence which he corwantly kept ale w ; : h t he ( . 2,1e• Lotii , a and G .dioy i i n nr e q; by tle support of the Queen of Lituria. to maintaill himself in the favour of Ferdinand. It almobt ep . 1' gar its if t hi s Mona; ca was incessantly to sutler by his love and obedience to his parents I Cevallos was hypocritical enough to announce himself to all the oppressed as a deliverer—to asctihe all severe :tea sores to the infh!xible will (4, he s•id) of the King-. and to give himself imprirtance with his Majesty, as a Minister. supported by pu,-:ular favour. " But since his ternovAl from the Mi L isms, net a voice has been heard in l.is favour. His formes a d. herents now proclaim his hypocrisy; and he will pro. hahly have to thank his hon.urable and noble-mindeii successor if no harder lot awaits lam than what Le has ahead) , experienced. \1 as there ever a Mi k i s * who, as it were, it his duty to sactitice thefts. nour of his Prince to his own temaining in the first post, it was Cevallos. Let us remember tl e pare which he made his master a:t last yea, wl enter/as removed for thirty six hours from the adminiurauon. Any other thin he would net have porcha,e,l at any price the inconsistency of the Monarch. By ietulente he forced his recta, and perhaps even made i t a c o n . dition of the puhlic trampillity ; fcr there MU a uni versal rumour as it be w in the contrary caw ex cite the revolutionary party, who call tlien.seirra the adherents a Charles 111. .Such is the man who has acquired a great frame Fly signing a manifesto which lie did not compose, mitl which only obiained sath gr.-at reputation I rim theexciied passion of all Europe. He is not the only oi.e whose the passions Lim to tilt Oar ed! 46 P. S.--We just learn that C. vallos k appointed Ambassador to Naples. Mr. B .thari, who has been Minister in Russia, gots to 'Plant as Ambassador. — Toe new Minister, Mr. Pizarro, thus gives a fast proof of those generous sentiments which might be expected from a man who joins the highest integrity with prudence and an cJigh-eried mind. - - . COLOGNE, DECEMBER 6. We learn from a good source that funds have al. reAdy Leen assigned for 'paying the ancient debt of the Electorate of Cologne during the present year. ani that the payment nal soon take place. ITALY, NOVEMBER 26. It is said that Lucien 11..napar , e has received no tice to quit Rome. Am.! repair to his villa at Frescate. ST. PETERsEURGH, NOVEMBER 23. At last, alter various changes, a continued fret has set in ; the Neve is covered with thick ice, and the communication between the different parts of the City fully re-established. - - ; i i 1 1 FRANKFORT, DECEMBER to. In the eighth Sitting of the Diet, which took place on the 2d, M. de Hendrich, the Envoy from Size. Weimar, submitted to the Assern the new Consti tution of the States of that Grand Duchy, And in the name of his Sovereign demanded the guarantee of that Constitution on the part of the Germanic Con federation. This step is not of great consequence cwoad the Grand Duke of Weimar, because he is too tceble to do great injustice ; but it appears to be a measure devised to engage the other Sovereigns tolive also Constitutions to their States. Thus this declara tion of M. de Hendrich has induced many Members to give their opinions on the relations which exist be tween the States and the respective Sovereigns. M. (>; igern, Minister for the N:therlands' wee a speech se ). ich evidently tend ed t o exculpate Prussia with tegm - J to tardilte .b in hiitir forward a Con- stitution, anl to coconrage the other Governmen t ' of G:rmany to hasten that salutary work th . lie anks en• tered fairly upon the question be stieine,, at th • were due to that Grand Duke of I.V.:4nat: for havrg given the first example of an act of ju:tice German Nation expected frein all its Savereigns,-- M. de Gagern attributed the delay on the paid Prussia to the great extent of the kingdom, and thl differences ill the state of the provinces of which kis composed ; f a ct this excuse, he oliserVed, could ort apply to other State;, which were less extensive. PI all concluded by moving, that an .dress cf ThatAl be returned to the Grand Duke nt Weimar, and the Public Functionaries who !.ad assisted in drawing up the new Constitution , and that the C 0011119675 he taken under the formal guarantee of the Diet.' It may be easily iraae,ined that this propo s ition Os not generally relished. The D e p uties could ant agothe ' on the import of the tel rn Glearanite and %hen Envoy from Weimar declaree, that las Sovereign derstuod thereby,. that the D iet, in taking upon itsel that guarantee, should engage to eniploy every man • depending on it to cernpel , it n eed be, such thi . Lhe Contracting Parties as would inf rin g e the Cog": tiom, to enter into rec ; procal Conventions, sort' Members of the Diet :leveed, that they had not die courage to recognize the justice Of these views. STOCKHOLNI, NOVENIBER 29. Beside' the considerable reduction of the duty 0 1 the importation of corn, the exportation is uo strictly prohibited. BAMBURGH, DECEMBER 6. but no more has since arrived ; the few which 4 !,. On the Si about forty ships came of to the cit/e e still lower down the Elne are stopped by ‘ the dr y ice, and partly nbliged t..) mu 1 clue to the titer; The wind is extremely t iiv•Utause fur the ships *W. _ leave the city, but hinciess the others tron2 up. The irrigation on the Upper Elbe iv * n l :u;wt fYoal•, fr,r;-.1 c cov,d the co' what s specta (Puha 01 me men F tent e a Mal it he form Mt tlenu tel tlt for al thoul t I-do The &Pet' allot agre vise take fide min re* tit ba col th. uT tit tip tt ss • t : • 1 .......wsiill I