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er.cOurAged to * hold this opi .a: of, a publication of a most re- Catholic, deceased, Sir Th s oCkt !d his opinion that the titne*aliotj the Bishops in Ireland wb}llsl, 'as. part of Germany; be appointed he Catholic and Protestant Clergy. was now asked, in his opinion we 1, and could gain little, since the population would gain nothing by ill have to pay their double tythes, )w, they would be disaffected. For to support the Constitution as esta .volution,. he must oppose this Mo kind to the Catholics and'all who but let us also recollect the bless ,ed for the last century under otir nd not risk those blessings by.spe- IWNE defended the motion. The talks, as far as they went, he con granted with safety. What did :o be called to the Councils of their will of that Sovereign, and to be it in Parliament, elected there by y of whom were Protestants. With h of which so much had been said, ; authorised :o say, that the Catho to amen,: it in any way which of separating the spiritual ju . civil allegiance. What was now to give power to the CatholiCs, wliu would by the adoption of to call to his Council any ..tvice he might consider likely to ,2. 171:e Noble Marquis declared rro:ien to be one which, in his the strength of the Empire, th trials to which we might yet ,:ave :is a sectuity to the Protestant )ftr,L.:C.7D was of ()Pinion, that e now ;roprhed, instead of pro. 1- , a)ng,t the Catholics of Ireland, ye of disorder and discontent ; and -are should have his decided oppo -4 said, that no time more fivour ,...e,t could exist for entertaining this frered in opinion with those who Many circumstances had oc td rendered this a very improper the Cutlustics of Irehnd them of the Pope, the riots at •In.lQ: - LI several Protestants there ; the publication of the Bible, and Or:.ler of Jesuits, were all facts ent - ert:;.iaing the question at this '..:3.N.111V0N condemned the con t on this subject. They had all . 1e Catholics to all the offices of had put the sword into their hands, 112na admission to civil offices. As remacy, be did not andeistand in ?cognition of it was demanded from hey were willing to acknowledge. urch ai the Established Religion of the King as the head of the -Protes ,at more could be required'? Was the ,y the head of the Established Church, ? The argument was absurd. . kVELLINGTON said, he considered of this question turned on the expe •ing the disabilities from the Irish and wbat* concessions could be a means of inquiry, atommittee The whole question rested on the de which could be given to the Pro- Is by law established in Ireland. To k • as necessary to reflect how the Re established in Ireland. It was him to recall to their Lordships' re . the reformed religion had been :land by the sword. This was fresh in of the people of Ireland. Keeping Irish Roman Catholic Church, under continued in the same state—the to same influence over the Clergy— ame power over the people;—in this he would ask, whether it was consi tan Catholics could be safely admit its in Parliament ?—(Hear, .Itear.)— ut the question.—the influence which over the people, and the desire with st be animated to recover the posms )erty of which they had been stripped ation. It was however said, that se. L'eted on the part of the Roman Ca- Pope, it seemed, had, in the appoint , relinquished all to the Crown, except 1-r-ing of a spiritual blessing. But how ession been received by the people of td•excited the utmost discontent, and as an abandonment of the essential ten. religion. Considering, then, that don turned upon the degree of secu ,d be given, and looking at the vari which had at several times been pro never yet seen any thing which came In of that which ought to be required. been said of the domestic nomination did not see how the laws of the conn ate upon it so as to make it an ade- Then as to the Oath of Allegiance rep was to take, of what avail could it iw required this oath from a Bishop, doted Goo knows how, or by whom ? Ise circumstances were considered—the Catholic Church—the way in which ton had been effected—the rivalry and the Catholics and the Established he inadequacy of all securities which there was enough to decide the it: first and greatest duty of the Legis secure the Establishment as settled at • • ! It a; LEY spoke shortly in favour of a. 1.! ;a; .I he was prepared to grant aA the !1. , ‘ (:.t holics.—The Question being then ' ti:C! House divided— '. Contents .37 • ' 147 106 147 • :"• the M0i1..... 41. 11:81-inist One o'Clock. • Mt, Net/ 611 . 0,. ee***Bi_,_ frninshe OSlntref the Chief sissisertatictro-` lead,upreslested fi t . We Use le the Kunduriedlicelesilles * lt atukinit for rtioutl. , -•-Ot to lie on the 0 ' A Bill ei the Repetki Br Amendment AeritZliejlintr 'Bristol eras broujrhteip, read a first tinse, and Tot k Inwood peadieg. . - .:: J. A Staff Petition vras presented front certain rennin lathe emit ordered ord, against tlie Bakers' Regulating Bille7Raak. *lllll tolle on the table. Ciitherees Divorce Bill wasxead a third titne, and pitied.. Mr. HUNTER AIR broht u the 'respeethi the Scotch Jail BilL ßL —Ordered to b ug e prin p Repute l pri nted. 1 Mr. CHARLI.IS HARDY brought in a Bell for the nem tenant* and Regulation of the Poot.—Read a first time, and ordered for a second reading on Wednesday, the 26th inst.— Ordered also to he printed. A Petition was.presented from. certain Inhabitants of the Coanty,of Cornwall, against the Poor Settlement Bill.—Ordered to lie on the table. On the motion of Mr. BOSWELL, the House resolved itself into a Committee, Mr. thieves BLAII: in the Chair, on the Scotch Desuetude Act. After reading it in the /1/11 form, the House was resumed, when, on the motion of Mr. Hinersa BLAI/, the Resort was ordered to be received to-morrow. • The Bill to prevent the Sale of Poisonous Drugs, without the label or stamp " Poison" on it, was brought in, and read a first, ordered for a second reading nn Monday, and to be printed. The Bill for making a Road from the City of Glasgow to the City of Carlisle, was read a third time, and pared. The Bill for Repairing and Amending certain Roads near Tadcaster, in the County of York, was, on the motion of STUAILT Woviniv, read a third time, and passed. The further consideration of the Land Tax Commissioners' Bill was postponed till Monday next. LONDON GAS LIGHT COMPANY. Mr. P. MOORE moved the second reading of the London Gas Light Bill. • Sir R. FERGUSON moved an amendment, that the Bill be read a second time that day, six months. Mr. COLCLOUGH supported the Bill, on the ground that it would promote competition. Sir J. YORKE had no partiality for the Fire and Water Companies. By their conduct, they were a sort of nuisance to the public. In his opinion, all the competition or rivalry which they produced was the rivalry of who should pull the pavement most vio lently to pieces ! —(Dear, hear, and loud laughter.) After Some observations on the part of Alderman WOOD, and Mr. BENNETT, the House divided.—For , the Amendment, 134--Against it, 31—Majority, .103. The Bill was consequently lost. TROOPS IN TUE WEST INDIES. Sir It. FERGUSON, referring to a Return for which he had moved, as to troops sent out to the West Indies observed, that of late the Artillery k particu lar had , gone out with the certainty of never return ing; and he hoped, as this practice WAS unjust "to the men and injurious to the service, that Ministers would pledge thernielves that in future the troops should be exchanged at the end of every seven years. Lord PALMERSTON observed, that the return, if moved for, would spew that some of the" troops had been removed at stated ifitervals. Sir It. FERGUSON added, that he did not think it necessary to move for any return; all he wished would be attained, if Ministers would consent to re lieve every seven years, and if the impression were done away, that when troops were sent out, theywere banished from. their country for life. As there was no motion, the conversation dropped. STATIC OP THE NATION. Sir JOHN SEBRIGHT, with much deference to'', 'the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Tieintylloped that he would allow him to recemmendihe postponement of the very important motion which* bad announced for to-morrow, till aftei the xliscueeion on the Report of the Secret Committee on the affairs of the Bank. Mr. TIERNEY, with much respect for the Hon. Member, declared that it was impossible for him to consent to his proposition. The motion which he had to submit to the House, could not affect the discus sion which the Hon. Member mentioned, so deeply as to cause any alteration in the plan. Übe consented to any longer delay, he must drop it. altogether. After some observations from Mr. H. Stamen, Lord ALTuoaP, Mr. WYNNii &c. the conversation ceased, it being clearly understood that Mr. Tierney's motion will come on to-morrow (this day.) RANK COMMITTEE REPORT. Lord FOLICSTONE wished to know front the Right Honourable Member (Mr. Peel) the nature of his intended motion on Friday ? His Lordship sug gested, that the Resolutions intended might be sub mitted to the . House on or before Friday, ordered to be printed, and, by affording time for the considera tion of the Resolutions, the debate might be post poned to some subsequent day. Gentlemen would thus be enabled to make up their minds and clime down prepared on the subject: They would at once be made acquainted with the specific Resolutions, and better enabled to diicharge their duty. Mr. PEEL, with much politeness, said, that he had no wish to press or hurry the discussion of the in tended Resolutions. The subject was o f the ver y first importance, and therefore every Gentleman ought to have a reasonable time to deliberate on the probable result: To accommodate Gentlemen, he, (Mr. Peel) had no objection to postpone the debate till Monday. In the mean time he would endeavour to present a copy of the Resolutions, perhaps tomor row or next day ; at all events on or before Friday.. Mr. CALLAGHAN deprecated any further delay, as dangerous to the interests of the country: Lord CASTLEREAGH assured the House, that the delay should not exceed Monday ; and that in the mean time the Resolutions should be printed; and distributed among the Members. Mr. CALCRAFT requested the Right Hon. Gen. , tleman (Mr. Peel) to fix,the discussion for Monday, as the country, till the decision of the House, would, be very much agitated. Mr. PEEL repeated What he had already advan ced, that the delay of the discussion should not go beyond Monday next.—The conversation here ended. On the motion of Mr. BENNET, further proceed ings on the Bill relative to the Licensing of Public' houses, were deferred till Friday. CAPTAIN HANCIIETT. Mr. BENNETT said, he held in his hanci iPetitiob from a gallant (Nicer, complaining of injustice done him in his profession, and charg i ng an Honours . ble Gentleman opposite, •connected with the Treasury, with abusing his official patronage, for the prpoxe of acquiring influence in the Borough ofranterburp He wished to steer clear of any thing like persona.litg, and should only move unit the P etiti o n be brcwil2Lie, The CHANCELLOR - or . thi t hought it would be'better m take Jobe 'finte,to e mine the allegations in the. censequltnet of the name of Captain Hanchetk be of tioned to'him as a gallant-o%w hnsCintiesduflitl him tO - tile public 'Orifice in tint •d! pests. Captini to retire np . nai stiiiiinnttation;: brit that iii`Coinini to the rules of service. •It was then discovered that he had eke:it'd into a iiego dation with the Officer next to him in seniority, and had propose 4 ou retire and make room for him, upon receiving a consideatlon of £6000: It became in that case the duty of the Treasury td remove him ; and nothing had been done by his Honouttible #riend without his entire approbation. He hoped tile Reso lution. would be withdrawn. Mr. BENNETT said he had cautioned the Offieir to be very correct in his statement, as otherwise he would be a lost man. The case had been put by the Right Hon. Gentleman in the most hostile shape to Captain Hanchett, whose Petition it was his duty to bring forward. Mr. LUSHINGTON stated, that to ptesent the Petition would be an act of cruelty to the individual in question, who, in fact, ought to have been dig. missed'sooner. In mentioning the transactioa which had occasioned his dismissal, Captain Hanchett said he wished it to be under the rose. He had previously desired to retire upon 3-4ahs of his pay, and he (Mr. Lushipgton) told hint it was impossible, as he had been only three years in the service; when hspeti tered into a negotiation with , the next officii, and had proposed to retire, and make room for him, on reeeivini- £6OOO. On that account he had been dir missed. Upon a reference to the Law Officers of the Crown, the case was found not to - come within the precise terms of Mr. Perceval's Act, as he had nest>• ciated correptly for hiurself, and not fotienother. Mr. BENNETT helve observed; that it was quite new to blacken the character of the man ' before the Petition was read. Mr. LUSHINGTON said, his only wish was to save the public money; and he should be as/lamed to make use of the patronage of Office for any poli tical purpose. Sir FRANCIS ButtnErr thought it would have been better to have heard the Petition read , in the first place. The transaction was not in itself infa mous, and had been often done. In the case of Mr. Perceval and of the Noble Lord opposite, though a corrupt transaction had been begun, yet thellouse had forborne to punish, as the transaction had not been completed. The statements in the Petition de manded investigation. The Petition was then brought up and read ; pur porting to be the Petition of J. M. Hanchett, C. B. a Captain in the Royal Navy, and lately Comptroller- General of Revenue Boats and Vessels. Mr. BENNETT moved, that it lie on the table. Mr. LUSHINGTON said, that the Petition had one defect, as it made no mention of the £6OOO de manded by Captain Hanchett for retiring, in order to make room for the Officer next in seniority and he cited a passage from a letter, of Captain Hanchett, in which he observed, that the transaction was to be _ _ kept under the rose, and from his (Mr. Lushington's) .knowledge. He then commented at some length on the allegations in the Petition, and contended they were unfounded. „ Mr. BENNETT had never seen Captain Hanchett till the Petition had been put into his hands. That Officer had denied, in the strongest terms, the state ment as to the £6,000. Captain Hanchett was to re ceive a certain proportion of the value of the prises that should be captured. But as his -propoitleit amounted to several thousand pounds, he wrote to -the Lords of the Treasury, that as such a sum could not have been in contemplation at the time of the agreement, he should decline receiving it. Captain Hanchett had all along said, nothing was to be done without the privity of the Secretary of the Dewitt-ye Mr. W. WYNN said, that it was obvious that some regulation was necessary with respect to Petitions, in order that the time of the House might not be un necessarily wasted. Sir M. W. RIDLEY said, that he could not sub scribe to this doctrine. It was the duty of Petitioners to make their complaints known to the House in their own way. He was enabled to say, that he believed every word of the Hon. Gentleman complained of. Mr. N. CALVERT thought this Petition might not to be printed, as, if not true, it was a grosc libel on the Honourable Gentleman. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER read a letter from Captain Hanchett, begging that his resig nation might be accepted. Mr. LUSHINGTON said, that the Officer was dismissed for the sale of offices. After some further conversation the Petition was of dertd to be laid on the table. • ' BARNSTAPLE ELECTION_ the Report of the Barnstaple Bribery Bill was brought up ; and on the motion for agreeing to the amendments, Sir ; ROBERT WILSON could not agree to this Bill; and said, that the proposed addition to the Elec tors of Barnstaple would not bring such a mass of virtue into the Eorough as would secure it from the corrupt practices of such a man as Sir M. Lopez. 'He therefore prOposed, that a Bill shc4d be brought in,.not to deprive the Electors of their franchise alto rroher;but he would propose, that it should be take n m t hem as far.as it related to the Borough, but that it Ahould be extended to one of the great Cities now unrepresented; or, if that could not be procured, he should propose, that the Electors of Barnstaple should have votes for Knights. of the Shire. He therefore moved, that the .motion should be nega tived ; and, if that were agreed to, he would move, that the Elective Franchisg be extended to Leeds; and that the Electors of Barnstaple should have the power of voting for Knights of the Shire. Mr. W. WYNN supported the original Bill. When the remedy proposed had been found to be sufficient, it would be unwise to pass a Bill such as was con templated by the gallant Officer. Sr J. NEWPORT conceived it would be attain ing a great practical good to carry the original Bill;' and therefore they ought not to destroy that good by attempting to go beyond the principle of ,that,pill , Mr. MARTIN, (of Galway,) said, that C.orruption was. not imputed to above thirty, persons in.th a Bo rough of Barnstaple. Therefure..he would propose that tile Bill should be re-comiiiitted, in order to era. ; mine witnesses as to who had really been corriied, and that the should be dealt with most,severelye Mr . V.:1;44E wished that the-right of lectiop for Earwritple should extend-to t hose who gee-• holds in the rieighbo9iitig Itundreds, and whd Wete. also reiidehtin the Borough. •• .- • Mr. Alderman WAITH?4A.2II said. 4hat the. virtue :orthellottie•wai on die trial; and it would be seen • ' ' • • • *". mai wtornl, under pretatie Wie visionlry? Could that be. '4l3llcli tentative . sytem where One county' sendi 41;r101454,tn,''ind twelve othfi counties only send as many This was the moment for the House td .chew that it was deteraiintd to set its fate against all corrupt acts. He had known many instances in which the corrupt Boroughs of Cornwall had been offered for sale to different Fer sons, with the prices affixed. He thought the right course would be to haVe the Bill re=committed, and then to move an amendment to it. Mr. Alderman WOOD was sorry the Noble Lord had not carried his Bill to the extent of giving the Elective franchise to all hoticeholders in the Borough of Barnstaple. He thought that Leeds and Manches ler and the other great towns, ought to be represented. Lord COMPTON supported theoriFinal Bill. - Mr. D. HARVEY said, he was a decided friend to Parliamentary Reform ; but he was not wedded to any particular plan. He was satisfied, from all he had heard or seen , that the people had not that full and free representation they ought to have, in order to counter. balance the influence of the Crown, or of the Aristrocacy. He therefore thought they ought to throw the right of election into large towns, uncor rupted hitherto , and to take it away from places that were corrupt. Mr. G. LAMB Said, that this was t Bill for cor rectinn of abuses, and not one for Parliamentary Re form. When the time should come to discuss that great quesOon, he trusted he would rot be found backward in maintaining those prefeisions he had Made elsewhere. He would therefore support the `motion 'of Sir R. Wilson. Lord CLIVE tapported the Bill, and the Ficruse divided ; for the original-motion - 110—Against it 12 Majority 9fh Mr. W. WYNN, aftef 'this divigion, moved that no freeman of Barnstaple should have a vote at an Election, unless be wal a resident in the Borough. • • Mr. BATHURST oppoted it: - Mr. W. WYNN did not wish to press the Arriendi ment ; but it could not be denied that the corruption principally belonged to the noit-resident freemen. • Mr. DENMAN thought it highly gratifying that this reform in Barnstaple seemed.ro have been stivall nimously supported by the Hotite ; and he hoped ibq would carry their efforts against 'bribery and corrup tion still further. He therefore'trusted the Hon. (.ien: tleman would persist in his Amendment. Mr. W e COURTENAY was ev.reirely aniritus that this Bill should pass; awl; therefore, he liopid it would not be endangered by ally further - attempt at amendment. Mr. F. DOUGLAS gave notice, that next Session he would move for leave to bring in a BilYto regu4 late the Expenses of Odt-voters . for Boroughs: ' Mr. W.WYNN withdrew his Amendment; ' . Mr. VALAKE moved, that the right of - Voting 'shotald. bt given to the Inhabitants of BarnstaPl l 4 ptnerally, and not to the Freeholders of the peighl bouring Hundreds, ' Lord CARITAMPTON—Does the Hon§tirabld MeMber mein male or female Freeholders? lettlehi • The amendment was then negatived.. • • • • •••• • Mr. V. BLAKE then moved, that none but resia dent Burgesses should have votes for Members for Barnstaple. LOrd'CLIVE thentght the House would not inter- , ferd'so far 'with the right of Election.' Aldertnan WOOD said, there'were noi t 'he he 4 lieved, ten resident Freeholders in Barnstaple. • The Amendthent Was;thea negatived, aria was ordered • to be.read - a third time to . -initdrOW, '• POORS . LAW*. . , . On the motion for the second readzng of the P • r's Rates Misapplication Bill, Mrs CURWEN contended, that if this*: We to pass, they would be intreasing the degradation * , and demoralization of the Poor tua most alarming . extent. The distress of the Poor was to be attributed' to taxation, and the dePletiation of mosey. This Bill wouldhave the efßict of pauperising the whole corn-. munity. • The only good they could do 'would he tp, bring the Poor back to the spirit they. formerly .held, which could only be done by, et:impelling the ra” ment to theM of a fair fate of wages., At airevents: (though no man was mere fiVourable to'aila wing labour to - frnd iteown 1641' of price) be thonght tite ought to allow the Magistrates, to gx A nunisnum, price of labour, The Hop. Qentleman'con . clu:led,by moving, that the NI! should be read a second time this day six months. • Mr. 'PHILLIPS objected .to the miiiiinu,al, tf wages, but supported the motion. . Mr. BRAND' said, this was a Bill of immense inv., • portance. fie considereJ that this measure *OO4 give the foot habits of greater indestry and . greite knowledge. Hi was Confident that, in the event of a candid investigation, the' prejtidices entertained would disappear, and'the Bill would be fOuud alike humane and politic. - Mr. SHEPHERD thought the pa tended to en.: courage population of the worst kind.' ' .Mr, RICARDO said, the Bill tended to Make' all , forethought on the . part of the Nor Unneeesiaff., Mr. It. COCKBURN stated, that is the geared to him • calculated to improve the'conditiOP of the Pbor, it should have his support, • ' Lord MILTON doubted if the `Bill ti! nish the number of the Poor, and he'sliotild:giVe it his decided opposition. - • Mr..COURTENAY had . heard the Noble I.i)i-d with much pain, as he thought it had beenimiyersatik'' admitted, that an alteration in the Poor La;ks . was indispensably necessary. The Bill should have his cordial support. Mr; WEST-ERN said, as the Bill went to legalite what was most exceptionable in prictite,,he should certainly oppose in Mr. T. COURTENAV warmly supported the DUI ' Mr. HUME had expected thit a measure Would' hate 'been brought forward for the total abolition r the Pow Lees, in 4 gradual manner. Mr. PRI MRO.SE slid, that the BCH went tsi legalize thq mitt of t!1 *ages of labour. out of the PO& affti be should vote against it. Mr. WYNN 6'41 the Bill inigghiceive the Conurittee,,and 4.1141 ' n0t encourage imprudent. Mrs L. WKLLESLUY expressed Mussel( ,the is • u wou ld pace additional powers in the bands Aldcrman WOO 6 objected to the'rlanse that Went 40-lisis. - up children in a different mode of belief frinettisat of their pat'ai,ta. , ?hellona* then'ativided.--For the. &coact .Reading:er:fr. 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