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_ ealmbernaset anff retitle* of France 1 What, gem: walld be the amsegilliees ? • k would, perhaps,. be said, that no danger whatever was's° he apprehended /min the ambition of any of the Allies—that none of them were capable of meditating any wrong. Bat the Noble Lord had written much against the plans of aggnmdimment entertained by Prussia. His letter to Count Haldenberg on this subject was in the re. collection of the House, as was the Treaty which he concluded in January, 11816, with France , and Aus tria, to guard against the danger of those plans; and here be must observe is passing, that while the No. ble Lord (Castlereagh) declaimed against the views of - Pressia, be was quite in a rage, if any obietration whatever against an "of our foreign allies happened fir proceed from his (Mr. Hornet's) side of the House. But to return to France—if that country should be dismembered—if it 'should cease to be a substantial. Power in Europe, by the division of its territory among the despots of the North, what then would be the state of this country In such an event what must be the amount of our establishments, both naval and military, in order to guard against the dangers naturally to be apprehended from the occupation of France, by those formidable Powers ? Now as to another point.—li was stated by the Noble'Lord, that he was pressed by several reflecting persons in Franca to secure the guarantee of the Allies to the mainte nance of the Constitutional Charter. But this the Noble Lad refused to accede to, while an unreserved guaran tee was granted to maintain the King upon the throne. No stipulation was_made to support the Constitution, which, by the by, had since been repeatedly violated. While every arrangemeat was made that appeared aide* Allies necessary to provide for the maintenance bf the King, nothing was done to preserve the privi leges of the people.—(Hear, hear).—The Allies, in their eagerness to support the former, overlooked the policy of conciliating the latter, although that eon. eili , tion would have been the best policy. But such .policy was not within the consideration of despots.— (Hear, hear, hear).--The Honourable Gentleman said, he felt it necessary to make a few remarks upon the assertion, that the Whigs of the present day forgot or departed from the doctrines of those 'whom the Noble Lord called their progenitors.— But this assertion was grossly erroneous, as would appear upon a review of the Address moved by Mr. Fox in 1793. Fur in this address that great man did not propose to protest against our interference in the affairs of any foreign State as a general principle, but against such interference under esisting circuits- StALCCS. The effort, therefore, to fix any impute. tion upon those whom the Noble Lord denominated the modcrn Whigs, by contrasting their conduct with that of the Old Whigs, was totally ineffestoaL The Noble Lord's cry of victory was quite groundless, was indeed clumsy. Bat it was strange that the Noble Lord should quote precedents (rum those whom he never before affected to admire. It happened, however, that in all the Noble Lord's reference to the conduct of the Whigs, he betrayed a total want of bigot ical accuracy. This want was indeed para. eularly evident in the Noble Lord's reference to the quadruple and triple aliment, for neither furnished, any precedent in favour of the Noble Lord's course. On the contrary, i‘ was notorious, that in the former the Whigs obtained a guarantee from the Allies-thet they sboui.i not iiiterfele wan the sight of this coun try to choose ai ow,. o:f:eminent, which choice was made decidedly against the doctrine of legitimacy sal the divine right of Kings.—(gar, hear.) — For this country, on that occasion, dismissed King James with his hereditary rights, and selected William with a view to establish a Government congenial to the Constitution and assent of the people. Then. again, as to the triple alliance, the object of that con federacy formed by the Whigs, was to withstand the principle of legitimacy by preventing the House of laArbon trom becoming possessed of the Throne of fipiti. How, then, could either of those alliances be said to ; urnish any precedent in favour of the conduct of the Noble Lou , 1 and the Allies, in forcing a Go vernment upon France according to the doctrine of legitimacy ? But there was a precedent on the oc casion of the Triple Alliance, which the Noble Lord might have quoted in support of his views. For Louis XIV. at that time sought to force a Govern ment upon Spain, according to the principle of legi. Wrigley ; and the Noble Lord, in overlooking this circumstance, :hewed that he was quite as ill versed in T , ry as in Whig precedents. (4100, and Near, hear.) The Noble Lord should, therefore, before he Ventured to quote again, study history with more at. tenthn. (Laughter.) But with respect to the prin ciple of legitimacy, he (Mr. Horner) fully concurred in what the House bad heard so eloquently urged in an early stage of the debate by an 'Hon. Member (Mr. Law) upon that subject, namely, that heredi tary right Was not essential to the maintenance of Monarchy.—lt was, in fact, but subsidiary to that object, as our own history demonstrated..—For the maintenance of this principle was subordioate to the preservation of the Constitution ind laws of any country, and meant not that the direct lineal de scendant should be preferred, but that some such member of the family of the Monarch should be se lected as might be best disposed and calculated to maintain the laws and liberties of the country. This Was the true and sound doctrine sanctioned by the wise example of Eogland. But the sole object of the late war and of the Treaties whjeb 'followed it manifestly was, to place a Monarch upon she Throne of France, without any regard to the laws, the liber ties, or the wishes of the people. The'restoration of that Monarch was, no doubt, thought a most desira ble object with a view to le-establish the peace of Europe by some great statesmen, boils in that and the other House of Parliament, who maintained that this object ought. to hive been avowed at the Outset as the great end of ebb war —(lher.) But this object was disguised by the Noble Lord from the consideration or the Hanle, although it was now evident that it was really the chief end of the war. The Noble Lord, no doubt, also wished to put down all ti.e principles of the Revolution, which he might conceive a 'very desirable end, an d it was consistent with his views, that every thing that could .be ac- Complished should be done for Sovereigns, and no. twos for the people. That such was the intention was pretty evident front vitae bad taken place within the last two yearn 'gait Seatesitlas. hid AS Obit:Ned, thit of tesolatiONl restoration - witsibe greatest, and that of all ineo,aten an atbkrary Me• earth was the most dangeromi This, Indeed, was fully evinced in what had taken place- in Wurtene• burgh, in Prussia, and in certain States upon the Rhine, where nothing whatever of tight was restored to the people, while the authority of Sovereigns, whether crowned since' or before- the .Revoltation, was established and confirmed. The total disregard, indeed, of popular rights was . manifested in various parts of the recent arrangements, but it was sufficient to refer to the instances of Venice and Genoa. But the most odious part of the late arrangements, which appeared from a Treaty on the sable, was the league of arbitrary Sovereigns to oseecannually, for the pur pose of considering their interests, for what rational man could doubt what such Sovereigns would in the long-run consider their interests.—(Hear, hear, dear.) How they would decide upon every indication of po pular feeling, or upon any movement in favour of popular principles. The Noble Lord even, who was tie advocate of every act of those Sovereigns—who was ready to take up the gauntlet in that House for eierynne of them, could .not be much at a loss to decide upon their probable views, if he would only tare- he trouble of looking with but common atten tion to history. Let him look, for instance, to the conduct of Austria towards Hungary and the Low Countries ; but let him look at the conduct of three of those Soveveigns . with respect to Poland.—(Near, hear).—Hence it might, be concluded how these So. vereigns were likely so decide for their own interests, and against the privileges tithe people. But it ap. peered from the Noble Lord's own statement how those Sovereigns felt ekb regard to popular privi leges, from the jealousy which they expressed re specting the freedom of debate in that House. He should like to know whether these Sovereigns ex pressed that jealousy in the Noble Lord's presence, and whether they obtained his acquiescence ?—(4 loath, mu I hear, hear).—lt would indeed be surprising if the Noble Lord, who had himself acquired so much distinction as a Parliamentary orator, especially in, tavour of popular privileges, and who was said to have made such long speeches to these Sovereigns them selves, no doubt in the same strain, could silently listen to such an expression of jealousy with regard to tt..? freedom of the British Parliament--(Hears 'seer). et the Noble Lord had observed, that these subi. trary Monarchs were truly indisposed to follow up some arrangements which they had in contemplation for the establishment of popular privileges, in conse quence of some speeches in that House. What a compliment did the Noble Lord thus record in fa vour of the virtue and firmness of these Sovereigns— So they were dissuaded from doing that which they themselves thought proper, in consequence of Parlia. . mentary speeches in England ! They declined to do right, because some of them might have been cen sored for doing wrong—because, for instance, such an able Senator as the late Mr. Whitbread—because that great man, who had perhaps more of the good man in bls composition than any great man that ever existed, felt it his dpty to expose and reprobate some a:t of oppression, or anjustice.--(Loud chary.)—He (Mr. Horner) trusted, however, that such a feeling of duty would ever be found to prevail in that House. But seriously, could it be believed, that the Sovereigns alluded to could have been prevented from making arrangements in favour of popular liberty, by any thing that happened to fall from an obscure mi nority in that House, seconded as their disposition mast have been by the Noble Lord himself, at the head of his immense majorities. (4 laugh, and hear ) He (Mr. Homer), however, notwithstanding the Noble Lord's assurance, could not derive any encoa. ragement either from general history, or from a knowledge of the particular character of those Stn.!. reigns, to calculate upon the inclination of arbitra , y Monarchs to do any thing for the cause of popu:•ir liberty. But even the recent conduct of those Mo narchs peculiarly discooraged the calculation; for their utmost desire appeared to be to repress every approach to liberty and general reformation. But their object was unattainable, notwithstanding all the expedients they adopted, and all the securities they sought to establish. What was the nature of the evils against which those securities were re quired t It should never be forgotten, that the pro gress of the French Revolution had worked many changes, in which Europe must acquiesce. Any attempt to force things back into their original condition, would be attended with the most dims. trous consequences. It seemed, however, to be the very basis of those securities, that every thing which could he undone of what the Revolution had done, was to be attempted. But the task would be found impossible. There had been a change of property in that country, and a change in the whole habits and sentiments of the people, which could not be eradicated. With respect to the real securities which ought to be required, and the only securities that could either preserve the liberties of Europe, or the permagency of peace.' were, first, to maintain the present integrity of France as a territorial and 'sub stantive Member of the European Confederacy; coed, the establishment of a Government possessing the confidence of the people. And such a Government, in his opinion, was the only lawful Government.— There was no chance for any long continuance of tranquillity, hut by adopting consolatory and healing measures') but while the army of _occupation con tinued in the country, it would be impossible to dis-' cover what were the wishes or the feelings of the nation, end whether the Government possessed ) its confidence. The Chamber of Deputies, he eon-' tinned, were no adequate representation .of the peo ple, from the manner in which they were elected.— _ With regard td the domestic establishments which might be considered as resulting from the general arrangements contained in the Treaties, then under discussion, he should abstain from entering upon any consideration of them at that moment, as other and more fit opportunities for so doing would occur. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman then sat down,' amid the loud and repeated chters of the House. Mr. C. GRANT considered that there could not have been a treaty concluded,that was better calcu lated to inspre tranquillity to the world, and to eta-. bhsb, on a firm foundation, the liberties of mankind . . Some Gentlemen had been inclined to talc favour arlly of the French, Revolution, of which he could never hold a' goid opinion. He believed that the •rebellicus spirit which bid bees roused by that Revo- LONDON. WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY VI, 1816. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT 'IWELVE O'CLOCK: Reduced 614 I—Cons. ma 61ii—for ace. 6i if 4 pet Cent. 771,4-5 per Cent. 90f—Sonde 71. as. pr. Omani pr.—Do. pay. 181--E.sch.l3dls par, 4s. pr. Last night the .Paris Papers of four days in suc cession, being all that were due, reached us. The length and importance of our Parliamentary Debates prevent us from giving their contents at length. In the Chamber of Deputies on the 13th, a M. ROY was called to order for what we fear was but a too correct representation of the state of the public mind in France : " The national character," said this de spondent patriot, " is altered—the Royal Authority, our sole resource, is weakened, and almost destroyed! There is no more common good, no more public spirit, no love of country, or love of the general weal lI" Here the orator was stopped. Arrests continue to take place' in various parts of France. Ti e plague in the vicinity of Naples has been stayed in its progress. Brussels Papers to the 18th have been received. They state the arrival in that city of a great number of the French Regicides, few of whom are of any particular note. MERLIN set off on the 11th for the United States. Soma. who had been at Mon:., pnsed through Brussels onthe, ltth, oa his journey to Ham. ►urgh. His fortune is estimated at 12,000,000, and that of MAMMA at 15.000,000. . _,T, A Flanders Mail arrived this day. Some of the German Papers received by this conveyance announce the military occupation by the Austrians of the country of Salzburg, except the City k which is stated to be in a state of siege i—tbiinewi, however, needs confirmation. It is feared that the disputes which have arisen between Austria and Bavaria may inde finitely retard the opinions of the Diet of the German Confederation at frankfort. The intelligence from• the Netherlands relates trendy tn the It at-Ch oi troops, ' l4 eometineitt military occupitone kte.v.l by th e l et 1 , 414 • BERLIN, FEEPtAIitY to • His Majesty the King of P, n „;,, ha, t upon his Excellency Filed Mar:11110 e p it :: of t he Fi rst Cl iss, on t he p its ,... II lmgtan, the Order of the 'Lack E t .i, : ttut 1 Red Ealtle, General Liodenau ; and th e Red E,04711 coed Class, oa General Bran Nlufflii 'ili • VIENNA, FERRU AR v 3 Th e „li e conni-il ..1 Wm. 1., .1 sill of srveral corps ut troops which ha latel oft it : i n motion. Yesterday the army nal:lnm_, "ed to be broken up. gaol His Serene Highness tt-r. Pri:vt.e of arrived yesterday at Dover, troth c. i4i the King George packet, Captain ness travelled perfectly incvnito, Accomp(Ai i m p single servant, and set off fo r Lund ' on his landing. Hurray Al/DINGTnN, Esq Secretary o r the Swiss Canton', lift town on Saturday his return to that country. Mr. WARD well soon depart for L. GRANIOUS, C. praius Wltst. Mr. WAllbit Minister to the Prince of the Bitazu,s,i e Cower or CHANCRllf—YeStrd a y Seal after Taros th. LuND .r:teual,7 Littcohes-lon-liall try ten o'clock, t o a/ 7 dance at the B. Mr. Houtovn was' &I:SMAURI. RDA:ILLY, Mr. APISH', and A 1 tohave the oaths ..!ministered as Serjea atit preparatory to he:ng sworn in o ne or the th.? King's Brich t !laving tendered tie • cokens of affection to their Mat.tartzt, hi s L .echglip's priv ate room. At the Old Batley, yesterday, u'iS as • Cushy Beau, was ci.nvieted of stealing a ~, raining Bank -notes, it. on the Windsor mad, who was indicted w ih him as an ace anplice, had been admittLa to bail, was called um 1 , 1 cognizance, but did not appear. ATTNAIPTED AR...sAINIATIoN or M in I t This young Lady rias been coafiaed, two ilisposith.n, since the au ick upon her on night. Some .it the see acthaily passed I L, the skirts of Mr Kutetre's coat. Thema 80. young man who fired tie pistol, has, since i s finement in Br - Klee:ell, bee n s „, posed. He has seen his rel itious and hinds, number of persons Dan been to see him WIC city. Yesterday being the time appointed cond examination by Mr. l3titxiE , Balv•st reft was extremely crowded. A ong the comply Lord Montforil, Mr. Ca v. tnorne, M. P. seised dies, Mr. Dibdin, Mr. It Mr. Arnold, lad the whole of the Theatrical Corps of Druryd, a , Covent Garden Theatres. Alp.rit three teelsa nett was placed at the bar. Hs le aura areraa prepossessing. The evidence produced on Sur night was again gone through. I:, addition ini Mr. George Rurauer, of the 13.)x•office of Ortup a Theatre, stated, that he had exanun.d the Tote after the close of the Farce on SAR:dily nigitek the scenes were put up again w!.ica were arsi when the pistol was discharged, :Lod f,hod nola them ; hut whether they w..re occasion -d blip passing through them or not, he cLuil ny, canvas would have that appearance sAa..tialeb though scenes were painted on it. found fiat shots had pierced the stlge lair v.t King's side of the Theatre, being the sik stage on which Miss K. liy and M. iilightirete ing at the tjme the pistol was eged. found several shall on the stage :IA iii the ode Some of the shots had entered me back pat t orchestra. 1116 TI IS 1 fistt ow - littg Mr. Taylor, a merchant of Thames gm, duced st plan of the Pit of the Theatre, sloe; situation where the prisoner sat in the Pi, vie considered to be on the tenth raw, and mei, in which he sat before the prisoner, r: hick teas left, ot about the diitance that two or three would occupy. At the' tinie he heard the no the pistol, the wadding passesi and struck hs cheek, and the force was so great, thaw the ing morning his cheek was black. He if. picked up two shots in the orchestra. Baker, the constable, who a i sprehthded the ' ner, produced a turnscrew of a p,stol, which be upon him, in addition- to the shots and g previously found. The evidence being gone through, Mr. asked the prisoner what be had to say fir he replied, it was not true that the shots had through the scenes. Mr. hie vt la.-- 66 That is not material, but yes most the contrary. What have you got to say to Snag the Palsoma4." /did not swan any harm " Mr. 11111.111 t." Don't you think It bans to takes pistol to a public theatre and discharge It there!" Pa ISON only parent to Warns and Mews.* Mr. BIRNIZ.." What do you 'New !,y only t• ' alarm when the pistol was loaded with shots ?"--1 rm.* inner made no reply. All the witnesses who saw the pistol spoke to its being in the direction where Mit was standing. Mr. Stafford, the chief clerk, hiving read ont the evidence that was taken !n writing, he a to bind over -Mr. Ward, the Secretary to de mittee for managing the affairs 01 Drury-lAA are, to prosecute the prisoner at the air t t charging him with unlawfully song 1 14 intent feloniously to kill and sia k trda, 1.12110 Kelly. The witnesses were hound over evidence. The last letter sent to Miss Kelly by Bust ion Friday. 'The first letter bore strong Dub' nacy : it was a'chillenge to O k th : he 62 0 seen her fire a musket on am stage, ani, the could not plead inability to fits apistol. Come-Excleascis, Fes . 210... There w Wert o/ _ arrivals ot any qrain this Mt rning, and mained from 'Monday's supply, e;Prielg e° heavy sale, but titers:is no variation in Wr ' any article. STATEMENT OF THE ODDS ON THE DFile OAKS STAKES, me. —FEBRUARY 01. ; Dcaar.—a to 1 apt c. by %Vakon, out th P.:!01 rrag: . Taken:. 10 to 1 set John of Paris (hte Dt , :k ' t apt Orontes, brother to Zadora; 10 at 411 11F1 =.„ . tiler to Squib; 10 to 1 apt e. by Weill:, dam by wr" - r i .OAXIII.II to' 2 offered on the I 4 betted p. p. on - Sir Joshua *grit Rho ales : - Go' rein! LONDON : Pnuted by Laval. Kiwi easbeit published there, audit the Sat C 1154, Twit -• • . Dm/ ylidds die'. • were* SO ;grievously*: preload. Tint great politer, of the Allies would, no eleebt, defeat such a movement I and could any man court that the effect of such defeat would be the , dis- bolo 'had been sithelued by the rear". Asa rimy thing that the Mita mold desire 100 was attached to the social order and the firtn bond 6f onion, that could alone sect** the hippibess of the human race, had been accomplished. Mr. PONSONEY felt himself Much flattered by being one of those persons whom the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) had designated by the appellation of Modern Whigs. But Modern Whigs were not fools, as the Noble. Lord might meen to insinuate, by attri buting to thorn principles which they never enter tained-se(Leuereer.) After . Many observations in refutation of the remark that the Whigs deprecated interference with other nations, when individuals and factions, unknown to the State, bore sway, he ar gued, that the taking away of the five fortresses in perpetuity was enough to exasperate the French, and there would be no security but in their inability to take revenge. He considered that part of the Treaty with jealousy and abhorrence, which keeps 30,000 British troops in France. He saw no part Of the Treaty which authorised this, and he de. -mended to know why Ministers had choson to make this contingent of British instead of foreign troops e Why was it necessary to subject these British troops to form the advanced guard of the allied army in France, when we were told that one hundred thou sand men were necessary for the protection of our foreign possessions ? He defied any man to produce an instance of the subiersion of a free State which did not proceed from a military force at home. The people of no country cm be secure whee a large mi litary force is kept up, at the disposal of Government. As to the contributions trom France, what hail bee., said by the Noble Lord that night (respecting the monument), :hewed that Ministers assumed that the money in question was a-droit of tie Crown, and thus he saw a design sufficiently clear UT making the Crown of this country have sufficient influence to over. run the liberties of the penile, and make every thing subservient to its will—(Hear, hear! Hear, hear 1) — Who could have advised the Prince to send money for this purpose ? A monument to the last branch of the House of Stuart—that family who had been dis missed by the nation for Misrule ! What inscription would the Noble Lord advise to be placed op it./ He himself would propose to place on it the preamble to the Bill of Rights! But it seemed that it was not for any good this man had done that they gave him a monument, but because he was the last of a line which was willed Royal. He objected to the Treaty, because it tended to make us a military Government, which would probably at no remote period destroy the rights of the people. This eountfy would meet with the tate of every other free state, unless Parlia ment would interfere to stop the military mania of Ministers. It would be destroyed by its own army. (Hear, hear, hear.) Lord CASTLEREAGH made a short reply to the arguments that bad been urged against the ar rangements between the Allied Powers, dwelling particularly on the security which the neighbourhood of Prussia, now brought down to the left bank of the Rhiee, and about to fortify Saare Louis, Luxem bourg, and Trues, would afford to the Netherlands. In reply to the arguments of, an Honourable and Learned Gentleman opposite, he denied most point- Joy, that the Allied Powers had forced the Govern ment r' L.urbons on France, contending, that eith the exception of the military, they were very popular in that country, and asserting that he never witnessed more unaffected joy than that which was exhibited on the second entrance of Louis XVIII. into Paris. Sir C. MONCIC said a few words, but the impa tience of the House for the question was so excessive, that the Honourable Baronet was induced to postpone his observations on the subject until the Report. The House then divided—For the Amendment, 77—.. Against it, 240—Majority, 16S. The original Address was then carried ; and at Four o'clock this morning the House adjourned. THE EVENING STAR.