Star. — London, England, 1816-02-10 00:00:00

..~ ge t to OE -b> int eeneeivecl they out be eolieitons to enquire into an historie4 ~Kb .bad not the least effect up 7 on the Coots. subsequently entered into, and which p r o., tne disunioa. The Honourable Gentlemen r as well call for the volumes of papers in the 4,ned's Office, as for this document , to make o h for something of which Parliament could ' idly take cognizance of. • HoRNER-had-no d oubt the Treaty was on e gy e against Russia ; and, in certain cases, of e. It would be material to have that fact ; or at, by its p r oductiOn, he might . shew- thitt the o f ,Gentleiont on the opposite side wei4 er e& TIERNEY was anxious to see how the Allies etts the disposal of Bonaparte. The Noble bed called the Treaty a matter of history ; so ...but it was a history which bore on the present 0* e geese again divided., -Ayes 25—Noes 92 rity against the productiqn 67. e House then adjourned till Monday. CONSIDERATIONS ri ,„ re the Public on the Bill lately ine d d a nd the 0 fiCan ssi os by Sir RoatT Penn " tomn les Att wade in the aid year of hi* pre.ent Majesty, for ..„,,,i‘doo of the health and morals of A pprenuees and 1 7,7 - d epterd in Como and other Mills, and Cotton and • factories • 0 bibit of working early and late in Factories is • end very generally regretted. It is an evil Legislature alone can remedy. The prac geueral and of long standing, such masters i nclined to shorten the elaily hours of em. 044 a r e deterred from the attempt; kit others beenabled to undersell them by exacting a quaky of labour. We must, therefore, al.. ; bat the country cannot feel sufficiently - grateful sir Robert Peel for bringing the subject before Al m ; and, relying upon the adoption of his aim u lum ame pill, numbers beyond calculation, conaition in cite cannot tail to be greatly im. Re d, will have abundant cause to revere his me. r y e with impressions which can never be effaced.— ' leading object is to prerent the employment of wren under ten years of d . 4e. to fix a maximum of it f o r the daily labour of others who have not at ilt(' eighteen years of age, and to provide, in some re, for their instruction. the Bill extends to.all Cotton, Woollen, Flax, and et Mills, Manufactories, or Buildings, in which 2J more persons shall be employed under the age of years. if :Adults only were employed the case would be Bewhat different, because to prescribe limits to :heir our might not well accord with the spirit of our rs; but as children form the greatest proportion of t individuals employed, and many of them are of ry tender years, surely the interference of Parlia. int on their behalf is net less in unison with the institution of the country, • than with the dictates of inattity and - sound policy. In protecting the health, d ptomoting the instruction of so considerable a rtion of the community, the Legislature wiil eon- Loteinuch to the welfare and security of the empire. There are, however, same who think unfavourably the measure :. and I can readily conceive Sir RO . Peel would inquire, how it can operate prejudi. ? Whether cotton yarn, amongst all the va ofgoods exported, does not experience the least An in. foreign markets ? Whether this is sed by the immense quantity we export ? ,ulistlux it does not manifestly appear that the on lissafactures abroad, in general, cannot be Id on without British yarn ? If, therefore, the poled Act should occasion a slight advance in the is of yarnsan it materially affec' our trade abroad the article To these questions the answers are am I away% that any injury can result to our sorters of cotton piece goods ; the home con psn of them will not be lessened ; and the ex , use of British yarn in foreign manufactures is nt to remove all idea of detriment to our ex- 'trade in the goods I have just mentioned. flther arguments might be adduced in proof of the advantage this country holds over all others in ipinning of cotton, and to show its highly pro continuance ;—The abundance of coal and of ails--the superiority of our machinery—our ca r habits of industry, - and of mental exertion coarse of almost daily improvement, furnishes us powerful means of lasting security. ' is well there are such cogent reason" to reconcile are in question to these who (Eel themselves ly interested ; as we cannof suppose that if were cause to apprehend any sensible effect the exportation of yarn, Pailiament would. • • be influenced by such a coosideration, and that redress which the case of the younger (who are by far the most numerous) of thela. spinners, and others in Factories, throughout l aPc, so, justly and so impressively calls for. .1 more extended and national point of view, • argument, of no inconsiderable weight, evi y ar:sts from the multiplicity of our canals, as 4fg , l opportunities of establishing, with advan spinaing works almost in every situation where adequate population presents itself. Oer foreign trade in yarn, it is by some objected, SOsiender a foundation, on account of the rapid Cu made in spinning works on the Continent, di projected Bill may greatly affect it. On this, mess is laid ; but those who are best acquain 'th the policy of the Continental States must well that if they could substitute in their manlifac • of piece goods, yarn of their own spinning, du which they obtain from this country, (though advance in price greatly exceeding any rise to aPPrehended from the proposed Act in the value &Kish yarn) they would at once prohibit the use latter. We can only expect them to take it so %%they cannot do without it. ' I presume, there it is mot from such wholesome regulations as the Contains, that a diminution of the trade can rea- IY be apprehended. But, allowing for a mo our foreign trade to be precariously situated, it 41 addition a l argument i n f avou r of the regulations !which I contend, as it places, in a more striking "It of view, the policy of paying due regard to the !ith of our labouring spinners, ifnd the culture of rlf minds, that they may be the better prepared to se up other occupations whenever the change be gat* indi s p ens ibl e . I have endeavoured to inform myself what is the *l4 is this town and neighbourhood, as to the • bows af,i*tootir inquiry is, that most generally, biz o'Clocle-in the morning, and at night, allowing in hour's which is the only time in the day Stand—of course thirteen hours' Any other refreshment within than what the work people proc , with them; or it is brought to . the first five days of the week are employed. On Saturdays the general hour for quitting work is foist . o'clock, which on that day, reduces the actual titue passed in the mills to nine hours... Such is the most prevailing custom hem. and it may fairly be conside.' red as the minimum of labour, (or I have not heard of any factory being worked a ,shorter time ; neither dub bear of any other vacation between the hours of six in the morning and eight at night, than that of the dinner hour. Many factories however; and some of them Very . large ones, are worked from a half to a whole hour longer each day (Saturday k generally excepted). by either beginning at five, or half past live in the moro.l Mg, and concluding at eight in the evenicg ; or else beginning at six, and concluding at halt past eight or nine. Nor is the practice of ceasiiitt to work at four o'clock on Saturdays without exception : Tn some of these mills from ten to eleven hours' labour is ob. tallied on that illy. A mere. stitement of facts like these will, I trust, be deemed t.uillcietit to ju.tily anti support the rogulations intended. It will be said, perhaps, that by retlncing the he riod of daily labour, and consequently the qn.intity of yarn produced, the trade would sustain much in convenience. .ISut this objection may be obviated, by. postponing the operation of the Act until the Masters shall have had a reasonable opportunity of providing against that result. I offer, with much deference, these observations to my fellow-townsmen. It would give me pleasure to learn, that they have in any degree tended to dissi pate the alarm, which, I am told, partially exists : wand perhaps they may not be found altogether use less in preparing the puldic mind for the further con sideration of the subject at any meetings which it may be expedient to hold fur the purpose. Mancheaterooth January. HUMANITA9. ,Front the Manchester Chronicle.) would be only Eve., But do Wah itie (Marge ?-;-' ' ! be pre•ductlie of 'amore cent. In plain English, would be enforced with such made to produce. almost '6,.0r 5, or 1 per cent. inciple, not the amount;' . they 'y set of men to inquire ,of them the nature and amount Of their transactions hi trade; which was a gross violation of all constitu .tional principles, and ought never to be endured.— Crfftp/orme).—He would not enter into any farther marks of this kind, because they were not called to the consideration of any party or political question, Out merely to express their sentiments in a manner becoming Englishmens Mr. Davies then concluded ath reading a series of R eso l ut i ons , f or w hi c h see dvertisement. ', 'Mr. Joint Busnian came for ward to second the t wo ilutions. After the statement which they had ard, little mare remained for him to do, than barely, /ire firms, to second the Resolutions. It was well Luc him that it was so, for he was so little accustomed bto pc.ll: in public, that if he bad had much to do, he should certainly have tailed in it. There was one thing, however, which he wished more particularly to state to them and to impress on their minds—that a Petition wr:uld be prepared and ready for signa. cure. He trusted that every Gentleman who now htiard him would not only sign this petition, but re commend to every man of his acquaintance to do the same thing s for it was only by unity of efforts that they could hope to succeed in their object. Let them all hear in mind the good old fable of the bundle of sticks.l—let them make a long pull. a strong pull, and .a pull altogether.—(AMlsere.) The Resolutions were then successively proposed, and unanimously adopted. Mr. Davies then proposed a Petition to the House of Commons, founded on the Resolutions, which being moved and seconded, Oi AS also carried unani mously. It was then moved by Mr. DAVIES, and seconded, that the Representatives of the City in Parliament be intruded to present the petition to the House of Commons, and support the prayer of it. This quel. tion was carried by acclamation. Sir Ws:imam Coitus then stepped forward, and after some opposition obtained a hearing. He sa.d he was glad to meet his fellow-citizens 'Ton a qucs tion which affnaled them so much satisfaction, and which to himself personally affoi ded the lilt.: reable sensations. (4/11doutes.) He I , ad formerly suppor ted the prop:rty tax, not from any peculiar approba tion ol it either in principle or in operation, but from a conviction, in his own mind, that tiothiug hut the most strenuous exertions of the country could enahl it to achievl those .glorious results which had so- re cently crowned the British arms. He . had supported this tax on the score of necessity ; but now that the motive of his conduct ceased, and a Peace was haixpiiy restored throughout the world, the tax, in his oroion, ought not to exist any longer. (4/0/aereo.) Alter twenty-five years of difficulties and unparall:led stiry,gles—arrd after those difficulties and struggles );_.en surmounted, the least that the people of this country had a right to expect. was the cessation of those burttotris which most heavily pressed upon them /ear.) —Having said thus much upon the suoject of his present sentiments, and professing, as he always did, the most zealous attachment to the . BriLiSti Constitution, he was sorry that he could not commend that part of the motion just adopted, which was to " instruct" -the City Representatives to sup port the prayer of the Petition—( Disallftrobation.)— He could not be instructed by his Constituents, or by any body else in the discharge of what he thought his duty as a Member of the House of Commons— (4,ead ditajtrobation).—He should nut be deterred by any expres,ton of hostility from acting up to his own sentiments, whatever dissatisfaction such conduct might give other people--(liiner, and ether rxfiredion: of ditapprobation). —He could not at present sty what would be the precise course of conduct he should pur sue when this question was agitated in Parliament; but if he were left to himself, he should act con sistently with his duty as Representative of the Li very of London —(Disapprobation). Sir JAMES SHAW said, that when this subject was last under the consideration of the Livery, he express ed his opinion, that the extraordinary exertions of the country ought to be continued until an honourable peace should be obtained. That event hid now ar rived, and he therefore thought the Property Tax ought not to be continued any longer. It could be justifiable only as a war tax, and under the extraor dinary circumstances in which this country -was plac ed during the last ten years. He thought that if the Chancellor of the Exchequer had occasion for any considerable aid in the present situation of affairs, the most expedient and preferable mode of attaining his object would be by way of loan—say 5 or a 8600,000, the interest to be paid out ,of the Sinking Fund.— (Ciseoro.)—Elis sentiments were at present averse to the continuance of this Tax, and those sentiments he should carry with him into the House of Commons. ( ) . blr. Alderman ATKINS said, he had always ap proved of the principles of the Property Tax as a mode of supplying the exigencies of etc State, inas much as it was upon the property of the country the bin-then of taxation ought to fall. He had felt it his duty to support this tax in the House of Commons. front a conviction of the necessity of it at the time when it was las; brought forward. That necegeitc i was not now so great; but when he was called upolt and instructed to use his exertions , in opposing the continuance of this Tax, he did not consider himself' fairly dealt by.' The proposition was that, witheilt consideration without reference to the circumstance* under which the renewal of the tax should be pro• posed, he must pledge himself; Tight or wrong. to comply with the instructions of his constituents, (Ind •ftficuilloo.) If it should -be made clear to him that the Property Tax could be Utterly dispensed with, no man would more strenuously oppose tr, and his sincerity could not be' doubted, for he had 66 a stake in the hedge of the couniry."—(Cries of II 11) Whet was the import of dießesolution Dow agreed It was You are 'hereby required and de sired to support the PetitiodLyou must go to Par liament tied hand and foot, and decide upon the principle of this measure without consideration." Aster being placed in the important situation he now bad the honour to hold, he could not bear this man .. ~s IY~i in~iwrol~ - 40 . 1101.4fr i y,,t o rator 10 per teat, it wot : • bent to wor at at hatt that reduction to da d disebtaitilie ik - ateight rrio fi#e per cent. Tag would 's absence for dituptr, evil than if it were 10 per ;en iay the works are at a the five per cent. Tax would irs' labour is obtained. rigour, that it would be ma in the fourteen hours, .equal to 10; hot whether 16 ocure at noon, they take the question was as to theprin :o the hictories. . Thus whether they would allow any COMMON HALL. The Loan Nlnvoft, Aldermen, and Liverymen of the City ul Linitlon, ran. yesterday in Guildhall for the purpose of considering the propriety of petition ing Parliament against thv continuance or renewal of the Tax upon Income, conimonly called the Property Tax. The LORD MAYOR hawing stated the object 'of the Meeting, said he would only address them in two, or three words, for he could hardly suppose that there was more than one ()pinion in Vie Hall on the bilbi:Ct they were called on to consi.lcr ; but shouk it be otherwise, he had to request that they would give zt hearing to both sides of the question. The iteTikition, with the Signatures, was then read, alter which, Mr. Ltuts DAVVIS came forward, and attiT ad- I vetting to the Requi.ition, said they had to iic know- : ledge their obitgation to the Lord Mayor, tor the prompt attention which he had petit) to it. It had , talcs to his lot to address them un that most interes ting matter which they were now called oa to consider. Atter some observations he would present to them certain Resolutions which he had taken the liberty to prepare, that they might express their opinion in suit le language respecting that most odious of all taxes, fEe Property Tax,—(Applasur).—Ha felt hiinst.ll inadequate to the occasion, and must expect front them the exercise of their accustomed kindness and candour. It was a satisfaction to bins on the present occasion that the question was one which left no room for party discussion. They were all of them com pletely able to appreciate its importance, and esti mate its pre-eminent claim upon them, in preference to all other questions merely of a pa. ty or political nature; so that he hoped the Resolutions would be adopted 'with unanimity, if not with acclamation.— They.all knew from experience the misery and suf. feriogs which had been endured in conseqiience of that odious tax ; and, their feelings rendered it super fluous for him to attempt to expose, at any length, the hardships and degradations to which they had ' all been so long exposed. Besides the m *tier had been so tu:ly detailed in another place, and came so home to every man, that this enlargement was quite unnecessary. It was to be remembered that not more than sixteen years ago this tax had been first proposed to meet the exigencies of 'the Government. All of them knew that it had been proposed as a temporary measure to meet the existing financial ditficultiei— that it was only to be continued as a War Tax, and to cease on the restoration of Peace. They all recollected, also, that there was a period, though very short certainly, in which this Tax ceased to ope rate—a period similar to that which had now again returned—though it was almost presently reimposed, from the country's being again plunged in another war. They were indebted to the Councils of a Mi nister, whose monument was then in his eye, for the first. enactmcnt of that Tax, and its long continua tion. They had, however, now arrived at a period, .when. from the great exertions which had been made last year, with such effect, ai a reward for their pub lic spirit, decision and constancy—they had a right to look for an alleviation of their sufferings. H. had only to appeal to the concessions of Ministers last year, in justification of 'what he had vs submit to them. Were it not for the unhappy circumstance of the country having been again plunged in war, in all probability they would not have had any renewal of the Tax, which would, as a . matter of course, have ceased to operate. How extraordinary was it then, even at a moment when the Commissioners of his Royal Highness stated to the Houses of Parliament that peace was likely to be permanent. in conse quence of the great and signally successful exertions of the nation, the Chancellor of the Exchequer should think proper to put the feelings of the peo ple to a fresh trial, and announce his intention of proposing a renewal of the Property Tax. ( dtplasur.) . --It would almost seem as if he had thrown out this merely with a view. of. seeing how the people would take it. He hoped, then, they would .let them see in a becoming manner how they took it.. But, to dot away the objection to it, he had 'told thern that U would be reduced one half in its amount, :tad that 77 -~ - ~frrii~ .. awr ~-; ~;-- Isethout thinkleg Aikt.the . L; very distrusted Cie s inteet.ons, (~" 4e)—H e h a d a lw ays -stood up for the r i g h ts an d priva eee i o f t h e Ci t y ; . nest, of: Xi - and he tru.ted that his pest conduct entitled him to confidence (bud Grin of If f) He vould Lee his right arm before he woule pledge himself without onsideration.—.we t hor it exercising his own free ju.ig. ment to support the 1) citi ,n (rf, of.) --,, I nt Orr will t t l l l i e ou l t i c o on no si n ci ra e b re le tiln A e4o — rt, D th l e l pledge myself," coreinued th e Ald erman , i t to sup . ' P ' —[Here l — de i rm vm an n't, te l e ' l compClled to retire under the din of opposition which followed.] Mr. FAVICU. said it was for the Livery to judge whether the speech they had just heard was fitting the cause of religion or order, concluding, as the wer thy Alderman did, with something -very like an oitie (At/chutes undo laugh ) With respect to the Joel: iota which the worthy Alderman seemed so strenuothly disposed to enforce, he (Mr. Favell) for on?, c ni'd never agree to it. For what purpose did the people of this country send their Representatives to Parli.t. 'sent, if those Representatives were above receiving the instructions and advice of their constituents ? Such a doctrine as this never escaped the mouth 4, 1 ' that tried and faithful Representative of the City of London, whose sentiments he (Mr. Favell) was new deputed, in his absence, 'to express—he meant that ,friend to liberty and independence, Mr. Harvey Christian Comb::, who was unhappily prevented by illness from giving his attendance in the Hall to-day. (Applause.) On all occasions that independent man was ready to receive and abide by the instructions of his constituents, and in that spirit he should se. cond the wishes of the Livery sow expressed.— It was a generally received notion of the Constitutioa of this country, that the people were to tax them selves through the mediiam of their Representatives. But the result of the Worthy Alderman's deetrine was, that the teal sentiments of the people ought never to be heard in Parliamene The people of meld corm. try were to be told b; the lietise or Corr,:ry , rls, c.m. sisting of about G.JO Nleribc:s " WV ate ro'rn 'le up our minds upon Al su!ijecs brriqi,t ht-Lr , st us ;—artd ' we don't core one laming about your opieietuf or wishes ;" and yet this was celled iteprtscntstion f—. (AM/anus.) It WAS the duty ti es , :n-y rn ip to raise :,is voice against a ilincip'..• so d:ametrica!iy eppnsais 1 to the spirit 4'f the Censtitation. With restive. to the tex under consideration, he perfectly concurred in the Reselations proposed, and it wis el its ertaece that all classes of inen united tharenergies in legit*. . ting the Example of the City of Len ion. (ef i elsketes.) Mr. WAIIII.IAN said, that 41er hearing tire ex. traurd'r,:ry doctrine professed by the Worthy Aid T. man, and the manlier in which it had been suuntitteet to tee Livery, it was impossible for him to be utterly, silent upon the present occasion. On many °cue sions he (Mr. Weithmen) had ventured to propose instructions to be given the Representatives of the City, for the regulation of their conduct in Peili.s. ment; but without any avail. Possibly they might feel some irritation at the observations made neon their pubiic conduct; and preb ibly their weakness might hive entitled them to some indulgence ; 6utit was an i.,sult not :o be endureel, when the Liv.ty were flatly told that their instructions should mot be attended to. Cettandy jwit;ce recohed that from this observation one of tee Worthy Al.lertn.:n (Sea% ) 'ought to be excepted. But though the Livery had been thus grossly insulted, he (Mr. Waithmen) could not help taking notice of one of the 'lost estreordie nark occurrences that ever happened in that Hell-- Namely, that a Magharste of the City of London, who in the due administration of his office would be bound to commit any one of the Liverymen fur pro. phane swearing (if any could be found guilty of such an offence), had come forward this day, in the are of his constituents—in the presence of the Chief Me. gistrete of the City and the whole Board of Alder. men—and utter a sacred oath, which would h tee subjected any other person to the charge of the great est impiety, nay even to the penalties of tire law.-. (apldauses).—When such a man as this could hero d such profaneness, what might not be the baneful effect of such an example upon the minds of ti • people? He (Mr.Weitliman) would give the Lively joy, if they could forget such conduct as this on a future occasion. —(Cries of , s We will rernenibtr him.") —It he (`.lr.Weitliman) knew any thing of the British Constitution, the people of Eagiand feel a right, either by themselves or their reinesenta;iv.:s, to impose taxes. The great Lord Sowers, who thew. up the Bill of Rights, described Parliament as ti e great Inquest of the Nation. They might have wee knowledge than other people, but they would cease to be the great Inquest of the Nation, ,t . they ref used to listen to those who delegated them as the guar dians of the public welfare. He deprecated in the strongest manner the tone sometimes assumed ixy Members of that great Inquest, who cliscleimcd obedience to the wishes of their kepresentetivee. He hoped that the Livery of London wotid not only insist upon their constitutional right et insTuettng ' their Representatiies, but persist in desii Mg CAI they should present and support their peti,ion. Tne Li very could not fail to recollect the rualln::r in which their last Petition was freeted, in consequence of the • conduct of one of the tilt mhers for the City, who consulted the Minister upon the propriety of present ing it. The result was the Petition 'was kicked out, and the Worthy Representative gave the first kick. —. (Applaure)—After several other observations, Mr. Waldman concluded by supporting the metion. . Mr. DAVIES then droved the (batiks of the Livery to the Lord Mayor, for his ready celeplience with the requisition for the present Meeting, and for his impartial conduct in the Chair. The motion was carried unanimously. The LORD MAYoR expressed his sense of the ho nour done . him, and his re idiness at all times to di - charge his public duties to the utmost of his aetiviry. The thanks of the Livery were also moved by M:. WASTAIMAN, to the. Mover and Seconder of the Ito solutions ; and both those Gentlemen severally ac knowledged the distinction. • -- ••••• SAVINO BANKS, hOirever generally they may be adopted, can only improve money by the slow wen d= of Compound Interest, which requires a stria of years to increase a suit* of Money to any considerable amount, while by adventuring thirty-two shillings in this Lottery, sr share of one of the Two Prises of 25,000 Guineas, or of the Two Prizes of 2e 1 ,0j0 Pounds; may even next Wednesday, (Valeatins's Day). secure an Independenie for liie. ~.~■rfrlo • . • ~~.~~ .......M.ll . • ,~ te.. !TT, to ie; :I dii lie ►rrK 1 I thi estyi btu II chid 1011 L au fa lines i 3 at Fit ( '