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ariffiyampa . wrimmaricia Clf PA PERSI PARIS, JAN. 14. After mass yesterday, Whfch was attended by the Empress, whose pregnancy happily advances, there was a Court held at the Thuilleries. Jag.-16—An Imperial Decree of the 12th tegu. dates the Mode in which that or the 29th ult. relative to the Manufacture and sale of tobacco is to be car ried into effect. Such of the private manufactories as shall be approved of by the Minister of finance sire to be purchased on account of Government ; or in case of its being , necessary to take forcible poi session, the proprietors are to be indemnified, con formably to the law of the 6th of March, 1810.. There are to be wholesale and retail dealers for the respective departments, districts and towns, who are to advance certain sums according to the rate of popu lation, as securities for the trust reposed in them-- these advances to bear an interest of 4 per cent. The Regency of Bohemia, in order to prevent the clandestine importation of English merchandize into that country, in consequence of the measures taken in the neighbouring states, has notified that all such acts of (-mud will henceforth be punished with the confisca tion of the goods, and a fine of double their value. COPENHAGEN, DECEMBER It To Milady the inconvenience arising from the dis appearance of specie in the Duchies of Schleswig and Holstein, his Majesty has issued a Decree, authoriz !ni an emission of a certain amount of rwirnats, bear ing five per cent. interest, and redeemable by instal ments in the space of four years. The Danish Chancery has issued the ,following patent : factual ve of the prohibitions directed, since the ecottiptencement of the war, against the importation of English merchandize, his Majesty is induced to establish the following dispositions ge nserthandige, being originally of English fabric or ma nufacture; Can be.esposed for sale at the Grand Fair at Kiel, ~or at any other Fair in our Duchy, notwithstanding it should be. ascertained that such merchandise had been actually purchased prior to the present war, or tiatit had proceeded from con. &MEW prises. IR All articles of English inert/endive 'proved to be, in theirl Wien, of Englials fabric or manufacture, and attempted, in vbs. Litton of this prohibition, to be offered for Val: at the fairs in otw Duchies, shall be forthwith confiscated for the benefit of our tesimury. Every parcel of merchandise of English origin that may be hand on the road to Xlel, in order to be there sold, or that may be destined to any other place in our Duchies, where a public Mar IS held, shall be confiscated. 4. Tbe,sellers, and those who have forwarded the goods, in violation of tisis prohibition, shall also pay a toe of double the value of the merchandise confiscated. Lti ~- S. All the Civil Anthorides, and the Ofkers of Justice and the Cummins, are responsible for the due enforcement of this prohibition; es are likewise the Military Authorities who have leceived the necessary orders to that effect. Done at the Royal Chancery of Holstein, Schleswig, Copenhagen, Dec. 29, 1810. (Signed) MOSTING, EGGERS, ice. WifICE-OP-ZER, DEC. L. This day, about eleven in the morning, a dismasted vessel appeared of this village, quite at the mercy of the waves, and a quarter of a league from the land, At neon she struck to the left of - this place, and a quarter of a league from shore. The officers of the custems, on boarding her, found three English sailors. one aged 16, another 14, and the third 19. They had embarked on the 16th ult. on board the ship John, of London, of about 30 tons burthen. On the 25th eslt. their vessel was dismasted, and they lost their Captain and two sailors. PitivATS 7 DEC. eft si The negotiations between the two Belligerents in ' the East of Europe are likely to come soon to a close, although perhaps different from what is expected. The was, it is probable, will be renewed in the Spring. as it appears that the only object of the Grand Vizier bes been to gain time by negociation, without any sin cere intention to accelerate the return of tranquillity.-- Spies sent out by the enemy have been engaged in ',heroes to discover the force, movements and inten tions of the Russian army. In Bulgaria the seeds of dissentiott ks've bees ag4in sown ; and in Servia in ce,..nit attempts have been made to foster enmity to the Sussians. Under those circumstances, the nego tiations are conducted with much more reserve and elution, although they have not yet been terminated." P4RLIAM.ENTARr PROCEEDINGS. nous OF LORDS, JANUARY 25. Tb. LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the %Wool sack at the usual hour, and some others respecting the judicial bviasisH .1 the Have were made. Lord AUDLEY took the oaths and his seat. Their Lordships than adjourned for some time during pleasure . On the resuming of the House, the Order of the Day way read for their Lordshipsioing into a Committee on she AZGENCY 11/LL. Which being ordered, Lord WALSINCHAM accord. ingly took the Chair. Chair Lordships immediately proceeded to the consideration of the Clauses. On the first enacting Clause, vie.—" That his Royal Highness George * Augustus Frederic Prince of Wales shall have full power and authority, in the name, and on behalf of his Majesty, and under the style of Regent of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, &c. &c." Lord GRENVILLE noticed tbewords " the domi nion of his Majesty," and wished to know the reason of their introduction. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that some doubt had been entertained whether empowering the Regent to administer the Royal power and authority " according to the Laws and Constitution of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland" would give him a sufficient power to administer the Royal Authority in the Colonies and Dependencies, and therefore, the words " Dominions of his Majesty" orere introduced. Lord GRENVILLE was of opinion, that confer ring " the authority according to the Laws and Con stitution of the United Kingdom , " would give to the Regent the complete exercise of the Royal authority in thp Colonies and Dependenciec, in which the Royal authority could be only exercised in the manner di. rected br the Laws and Constitution of the United Kiogdom i be, therefore, moved to leave out the etords, ag Dominions of his M 4: sty" as unnecessary. The LORD CHANCELLOR thought it might be advisable to postpone the consideration of the point tatbe Report: L Lord Ittl/ESD out the words ac tins of the United Ireland, and the do, in...-_ eminent intended bt the clause piers constituting de Print( eftercise and administer the eity to the Crows of the said mg. he LORD CHANCELLOR agreed to this sup gestion. After some further conversation, the Amendment ,attggested by Lord Redesdals was adopted. In another part of the clause, enacting that " all and ever?' act and acts which shall be done by the said aegent, in the name and on the behalf of Ms Majesty, by virtue and in pursuance of this act, and according to the Powers and Authorities hereby vested in him, shall have the same force and effect to all intents and purposes, as the like acts would have if done by his Majesty." Lord ELLENBOROUGH proposed to leave out the words on the behalf," as unnecessary, and to add to the last word " Majesty" " himself." The latter Amendment was adopted, and the ward " himself" was also added to the word 44 Majesty," in the last part of the clause, on the motion of the r , -LORD CHANCELLOR. - The clause thus amended was agreed to. On the Second, or Sigaatere Clause, some further discussion ensued, principally between the above-men tioned Peers. Lord GRENVILLE objected to the provision for fixing the same only by initial letters, observing, that 'on several very important occasions the, Royal Signe tore was made at full length, as in the Instance of all communications to Parliament, warrants, and Com l. ; missions for passing . Bills, and in other cases. He thought that the signature of the Prince Regent ;should correspond with these differences, so that I where the Royal signature was at full length, so should that of the Regent be ; and where the former was by initials, so should the latter. His Lordship suggested an amendment to this efect. The Earl of ROSS suggested that it should be left to the option of his Royal Highness, as, if the form of the signature was expressly enacted, an instrument might be rendered invalid, by an accidental variation in the signature. The LORD CHANCELLOR agreed as to the usage, with respect to some documents being signed by his Majesty George R. and others G. R. and ob served, that if the document was handed to him, signed G. R. which it had been nsual to sign George R. he should most respectfully suggest to his Majesty the propriety of placing a full signature to it instead of a short one. LorcIELLENBOROUOH thought it would be better to issive it at the option of the Prince, to sign either George P. R. or G. P. R. Lord GRENVILLE was of opinion, that the course of office was so well understood in all the ef4-, cial departments, respecting which form of signature was customary to differtlntdocumenta, that there could . be no mistake about it. This proposition gave rise to some conversation as above, in which the Earl of LIVERPOOL expressed his. opinion, that as little should be left to option as possi. 'ble in such a case ; but that a regular and precise: mode should be enacted. • The amendment proposed by Lord Grenville was' adopted, and the clause thus amended agreed to. The next clause which produced discussion, was' that for fixing the thee at which the operatiod of the Bill was to cease and determine. Lord GRENVILLE announced his determination to move an Amendment to this clause ; he should not, (however, take up their Lordship? time, in the pre sent instai.ce, with any observations upon it ; another opportunity would offer, and as their time was that night likely to be engaged in discussing another part of the bill, what he should propose - seas, that the word " February," as now in the clause, shinld be omitted, and, in lieu thereof, to insert the word " August."— On the former occasion, it had been proposed that the restrictions should be enacted without any limitation in point of time, but in the present instance a varia tion was made, and he allowed properly, as the great difference of circumstances was taken into considera tion. They had, at the moment, however, no precise knowledge as to the state of his Majesty's malady ; fortunately, it would in all'probability not be of long continuance. Under that impression, therefore, were there no other, if restrictions were proper, it would be proper to fix their duration at the shortest possible period, with reference to what had previously come to their knowledge respecting the royal malady. From the experience they had of the previous duration of it, the longest period, he thought, may be calculated at about five months. His Lordship then moved an amendment as above stated. Earl GREY cordially agreed with his Noble Friend, that it any restrictions at all were necessary, it was proper to limit their duration to the shortest time possible. But Le dissented from the whole prin ciple of this part of the measure ; the principle which determined his opinion on this point was, that the. Regal powers were vested in the Crown, only for the advantage of the people, and therefore that no abridgement or restriction of these powers could take place without, so far, militating against the interests of the people. . Lord Viscount SIDMOUTH admitted the con sistency of those who held that no restrictions should exist, proposing to fix the shortest possible time for their duration ; but he could not avoid expressing his astonishment, that any one who thought restrictions at all necessary, should propose to shorten their dura tion to any given time, in consequence of wily thing that had transpired from the examination of th e phy. I sicians. Such a proposition eould.only be made from one of two cases—either that the recovery of his Ma jesty was expected in the course of six months ; or, 1 beyond that interval his recovery was hopeless.-1 Should the Committee adopt the Amendment, it! Iwould, he must observe, be on the authority of the; Noble Baron who proposed it, and not on that of his! Majesty's physicians. Lord GRENVILLE insisted that his observation' was correctly founded on the testimony of the physi cians. Their evidence was in print, and a reference to it would soon decide the point. Some conversation ensued, in which the LORD CHANCELLOR bore a pan, and Lords GRENVILLE and GREY explained: The Noble and Learned Lord spoke against the proposal Amendineuts, and the jections to the enactments of this part of the Bill, at considerable length. This clause could not, he ob served, Meet with the concurrence of their Lordships, did they pay even the smallest regard to the consist ency of their own proceedings. No Noble Lord who had toted for the original Resolutions, could en tertain tbakast idea that these Resolutions would be carried innweifect in the manner now provided for in the Bill bassi the Committee. The Resolution sent op ban flat 0 am m on s was so framed as to warrant a vary Clierent line of provision from the enactments Me under consideration; the former went to pro pose that such a portion only of the Royal Household was to be reserved as was necessary for the personal comfort and dignity of the Sovereign; but by this clause, all that portion of the establishment connected with the dignky,of the Supreme Government was with drawn from the Regent. Let their Lordships look at the details of this clause. From these it was to be inferred, and it had been asserted, that the office of 'Lord Chamberlain, so long held to be necessary to the state and dignity of the Government, was now necessary to the personal comfort of his Ma jesty. Some of the subordinate Officers in that department may be so deemed ; but here it was concluded, that for the next year there should be no such officer in existence as the Lord Chamber.' lain. If the subordinate parts alone of this de partmmt were deemed se.icient for the purples of royalty, why were not the subordinate officers only in the Lord Steward's department, or in that of the Master of the Horse, considered as equally useful without their respective heads ? He agreed that a considerable degree of difficuky obtained as to form ing a desirable arrangement. He felt that Majesty, even in eclipse, should still be regarded as Majesty. (Hear ! hear !) It was on the principle that such establishments, headed by persons of high rank and authority, were essential to the due state and splen; dour of the Sovereign, that they were allotted for those purposes by the Constitution. Were they now to depart from that principle, and to consider those great Officers of State and Dignity, as appertaining merely to personal attendance ? The effect of this clause, if carried into execution as it stood, would be to produce at the head of the State, a partial and di. vided Government. This he contended, would be the inevitable effect of enacting, that such portions of the Royal Household should be reserved.--It was his intention to propose an Amendment, which should reserve a due portion of titese establishments for the personal comfort and due dignity of his Ma jesty. This he thought would be preferably done by a Bill, and that in the meantime no alterations should be made by her Majesty, or the Prince Regent, until an arrangement, as he proposed, should be passed into - a law. By this, such a portion of the House hold as was necessary for the due dignity and perso- nal comfort of his Majesty, should be taken from the controul of the person exercising the Royal Autho rity—but all that appertained to the due dignity and state of the Government should attach to the person exercising the Supreme Authority. Upon . these grounds he begged leave to move as an Amendment I that the words after o Be it therefore enacted," in the ' 6th clause, be left out of the Bill, for the purpose of introducing a provision. 4, That such portion of the l establishment of his Majesty's Royal Household, as shall be by any other act reserved for the due care and attendance of his Majesty's Sacred Person, and the maintenance of his Royal Dignity, be committed! to the care and charge of the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty, and that until such act shall pass, no ar- t rangement shall be made (except what the due at tendance upon his Majesty may require), or that no officer shall be liable to be removed from the same, &c."—The question being put, The Earl of LIVERPOOL rose and stated, it must be in the recollection of their Lordships, that M the first instance he gave every opposition in his power to the Resolution, as formed so as to produce the clause now under consideration, and upon the ground that it was preferable to leave any division or arrangement of these important establishments, to the future deliberative wisdom of the Legislature, accor ding as circumstances may arise. It was his wish that the whole of the establishments should remain with the Crown, subject only to such specific limita tions as were stated in the Resolutions—but the pre sent opinion of both Houses seemed to be fur such a disposition of the establishment as appeared in tie Bill. The consequences of this difference of senti ment upon this part of the subject, produced the dif ficulties which were now experienced. What he had proposed would have obviated these difficulties, but he was rather surprised after all that had fallen from, and been urged by those who so materially differed from him in these topics, that the arrangement now desired was to be made by a future Bill. 'This would, in effect, be leaving the whole question of arranges ment subject to future discussion and future arrange. ment. He confessed his opinion to be in favour of the principle of limitation in point of time, but in every other respect to have followed the principle adopted in 1789, and to have given to her Ma jesty the full authority over the Royal Household. He must repeat a former observation of his, which was, that all he had said or should say, in the , progress of these discussions, that he could pos sibly mean no reflection upon either of the illus trious personages to whom the management of the Royal Household was to be committed. Whe ther applicable to his Royal Highness the Prince of Wales, or the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, the discussions should proceed, and the question be tried upon public grounds, and upon these alone. The Amendment which he had proposed would ob viate both the difficulties now felt. With respect to the assertion, that the high offices of Lord Chamber- Nain, Lord Steward, and Master of the Horse, were tiot essential to the personal comfort of his Majesty, but were merely requisite for state and parade, it was a position whick he must deny—it was one upon which they were at issue. He said, and centtinded.,•• those great offices were also as 'necessary for the personal comfort of his Majesty, as requisite for the state and splendour of the King , --.they were so • mixed up and connected with all the inferior offices and duties, that he would say it wit a Matter dap. duals dithcultrto disentangle and separate them ; and It was wisely judged by the Constitution, th at the olifferent &pertinent* of the Royal Household should be presided over by ih h high of ra n k, character and estate ih the houhtry. They were at. tached to the person of the Sovereign, in such prin. ciples, and in such a way, that he was certain they could not be separated withottt a great deal of com fusion, and a great deal of unforeseen inconvenience and mischief, if undertaken at this time ; neither, in his mind, would it be respectful, proper, or de corous. The whole principle of the Bill, and the variations which therein obtained from the Bill of 1789, proceeded on the leading ground that the whole of the restrictions Were to be only for a time to be Hinkel& He wished to ithpress this cons sideration ftireibly on the minds of their Lordships ( The whole of the measures proposed by his Majesty's Ministers on this nfilicting occasion, pros d , e a the leading principle that his Majesty's indispito would be but teniporary---( Hear, bear,)—that it would be of but short duration. Upon this ground it was that all these stipulations were proposed( anti by no means with reference to the prinkle of peel manent nit a nge ment—( Hear, hear.) Whatever dif ficulties obtained, at worst were hut temporary ( eed they had a very rational ground of hope that the in• conveniences would be of short duration, In f .rming the arrangements on this principle there was nothing in which alteration should be made with so sparing.:O hand, or be preserved from alteration altogether, as the Household establishment of hii Majesty ; but whatever the absolute authority of the ease deman ded, that necessity should be complied with. But they should riot exceed that lenit ; and was thore any ore so ignorant of the human mind or character, as not to say that die removal if all the peraosp who had the care and charge of one's domestic concerns and affairs, must make a most unfavourable impres sion on the mind of any individual, and still more so on the mind of one placed in such peculiar circum stances as a Sovereign Prince ? All they asked for was, that the arrangement as proposed by them should stand for the period of one year from that time. The regulations proposed by Ministers were suell'ti to leave as little ground as possible for influence. At the end of that time, the Regent, if in power, could make a new arrangement. Nothing could be done in that way without his "personal consent. Ali that they asked for was, what they deemed necessary for the true dignity and personal comfort of his Ma. jesty c and this had been arranged on the great prin ciple laid down as the rule of their whole proceedings —that of the probable recovery and resumption by his Majesty of the Kingly powers. They asked for no more than obvious propriety suggested; and they were ready to admit of every thing the necessity of the case required. They had, he repeated, reason tOhope the operation of the Bill would net be of long continuance, and they had to hope that no material alteration would be made in his Majesty's householl until they knew what the event would be. Under this impression; he should certainly prefer the limitation to be extended to one year, and that the whole house hold, as in the case of 1789, should be left under the controul of her Majesty during that period. The arrangement was temporary, and, considering the shortness of the interval, no serious inconvenience could arise. Were the arrangements proposed to be of a permanent nature, then the objections on the score of influence would apply ; but as the whole was but A temporary arrangement, and at farthest not of long duration, as they all had reason confidently to expect and to hope would be of much less duration than con templated by the provisions of the Bill, no part of the arrangement could be rationally objected to on that ground. Earl GREY contended, that in regulating their conduct on the present occasion, their Lordships' House should look to anal be guided by the Resol.e tions they had already agreed to and sanctioned; and not to the opinion of any individual, however respec table the opinion of that individual might be consi dered. He was only anxious that their Lordships should establish the opinion they had already ex pressed in their Resolutions ; for the principles laid down in these Resolutions were plain and intelligible. The substance of that principle was, that the depart ments of the Household should not be separated from each other or from the Government, or transferred into another quarter, where an influence might he created and exerted unfriendly and adverse to the operations of that Government. As the clause of the Bill now stood, it rested no longer on the basis of the original Resolutions, but tended to throw the power into the hands of the Queen so far as, it being there placed, it might conduce to strengthen and sup port the interests of the present Administration.— When that portion of his Majesty's Household wes resolved to be vested in the Queen's nl , lkr eaeollert Majesty. what interpretation was put upon that Re solution ? Was it meant that that portion should comprehend all that was suitable to the dignity, or necessary to the state of the Sovereign, or only such portion as might be deemed requisite to his conveni ence and comforts in his present situation, or even on his recovery ? To him it appeared that such was not the view and intention of the clause. On the con trary, it appeared to be intended to erect somewhere a great political power and a great political influ ence, which was to counteract that of the Govern meat of the Regent • for it provided, that all the great offices of the ifousehold should be ti ken from the Regent except two, and placed in the 'rands of tl:e Queen. By so doing, sonvehiag like a fieud er deceit would be practised on the Prince ca on Parlia ment. The offer made to his Royal Highness by the Resolutions of the two Houses of Parliament spoke a very differe.nt language front what was held out to him by the present clause, and the Prince would therefore he imposed upcn it the clause were to pass in its p6esent form. In effict, as the clause now stood, the patronage of the Household would be divided into 49 parts, forty-seven of which uculi b possessed by the Queen, and two only would be left to the Prince. This, in his opinion would be a mange ,arrangement. It was such as lie could not imagine that the Noble Lord on the Wo &ads. when presid • ing in another capacity, in a high place, could pre vail upon himselt to adopt. Wnen acting in his ju dicial capacity, on cases of a nature similar to the present, he conl3 not bring himself to believe that the Nelik and Learned. Lord would come to alike :resolution, and decide, that out of forty.nine pairs, forty-sevess should be give to the widow, awl Or ttggested; that b leavieg Noble Barth observing he artaxid not then persist in to the laws and conatirta- tiptinvenllnent, the same was negatived *idiom a om of Great Britain and, dithton.- of his Majesty." the tn. 'ewe of the sobsequent clauses of the hill were lause would still be cum. ' agreed tb without discussion or amendment, When ice of Wales Regent " to their Lordships same to the consideration of Royal Power and Audio- THI HOUSIIHOLH CLAWS iaid United Kingdom be. 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