Star. — London, England, 1807-07-23 00:00:00

file time of feriice was too itiort It was impoffible f Sir G. WARRENDER laid, he objeleel to the to train melt , unlef s they were organized ; and when '. period at w oicn the meafure was brneght 10-ward. • In organise d, he thou g ht iliac the riug o. to he liable —Themetture i ropoled n g ive aft.o co men to t h e to a longer fervice: What with 't h e regittering, hal. Line. but the N thle L"d .. a d not !hewn 1 cafe which lotting, &c. &c. the year appointed by the Pr iining proved, !hit 4 dif " Rnre IS'e •f rce of that inaonittole Bill would Coon vanifh, and t h e h a rlot wool,' be to was wart hilt, tor that it was AM ill •Is tlerdrirY for recommence. It the Volunteer. thoold arid the m . t rete d ferfive objeOls. In fad, h. th ought the be (elves unable to continoe a t acr t , fi :e , w hi c h w 4, on • ne fi s Nvllicit :he Lire wordd det iv; trom !tor increate, queftionably a revere one, which lead 'die-61,d th e wer e more than coonte.o d otce 1 lav the diflicrilties hi g h e ft honour on their char after and c 1id0.% but and dita tvan• which, in many inftances, worild fcarc ly be expeCted fir. He connl 3,!s whicii wool I reful t fro m t hi s trans ived the meafure of hall.tt as highly to be permanent ;in this cafe, in the '!.'r'ainung Bill, o tij e at s na hl e , a , it wo u ld cootidertoly impede the or rather in the Defence Bill, might be chfcovered a recruiting for r:re regrilat army. He did not agree balls on which the military eftabliihments of the with the Noble Lord, that 'his thhadvantage would might be founded. Intlead of balloting the be on!) , tempor at y, lair. co untry that it would be lung le:r. ; men to be trained for a year, he, would propofe that and he had it from feveral officets o with whom he they Ihould be balloted for two years at leap ; in- had c •nver fed, that this lyitern •1 recruiting for li deed three years would not be too long a period. If , mited fervice had very greatly it c e:fed the army, Parliament confented to this, they might gain two j to the amount, as he believed, in the courfe of the objeds—in the fira place, the difcipline thus -.tattled 1 year 1837, of 22,CC0 men. Anotoer gr •und of ob. irould be greater, and would qualify the tub:os44 i jedion to it was, that it was moll opplefilve on t! , e for the regular army if wanted—in the fecund place, lower orders of the people. Every n:, he was aware, looking to that amount of force which Parliament wel' knew that great ficrifices were tecelfary, but at had declared it was neceflary (hould be fix times the fame time the country have a right to exped they , larger than the militia, or, in other words, 200,C00 may look with confidence to G •ver nment, which lie inert, the feeds of a permanent military force might feared woola not be the ca'e. when they confidered be planted in it, which might grow up as the volun- the manner in which the prefent Minitlers came iota! leers might decline. His notion was, having laid the power, and the difadvantage this measure would foundation of this force, to enable his hlajelly to produce, as a circuitous method of recruiting the direil that where the volunteers were not in this pro- army. He had no with to u ppr.f Minitters in devi portion of fii times the number of the militia, a local fing means for the defence of the cou n try; and if militia fhOuld be created, by ballot, out of the men they could modify the prefent Bill, fo as to nbviate difciplined by the training bill, to be officered out of the objeCtions which it appeared to him tfe meafure the regular militia. He meant to propole that this was liable to, he (hutild be glad to give them his local militia in peace, Ihould be difciplined the fame fuppo: t : if not, he Ihould think it her dui) to give number of days as the regular militia, but that they them his decided negative. Ihould never ferve out of their Counties, except in Mr. YORKE conlidcred that the exigencies of the cafes of rebellion or invafton. They would be pro. prefent time were Inch, that it ()Learnt the duty of duced a regular and organizld force, out of that every man who had turned his 'Mud to thole firbjeds, which,according to the meaful-e of the Right Hon. and formed a decided opinion, to deliver that opi Gentleman, could create nothing but etnbarrallment. nion, whether he thought that °theta were likelb to By this, the Training Bill might be rendered ufeful coircide with it or not. He did not fl utter hinticlt, for he' entered his f lemn proteß againit throwin, that his opinion would agree with the ideas that the down any great public eflablifliment, for the mere .reater number of Gentlemen in that riouie had prieprifes of (peculation. Here was the difference ormed upon the fubjea. In tilts roped, however,l between the Right Honorable Gentleman and him- re believed, they would all agree with hint, that we Pelf; when the Right Hon. Gentleman came ine sere n w coming to a Rate rot things, where a frogle office, he molt unwifely did eve' y thing in his powe t il e R e p might he attended with utter ruin ; and to relax the Volunteer fyitem, for the purpose r• creme it hehoved :he Houfe to dive the molt at introducing his Trailing Bill. He (Lord C.) 01 tio , .tn ire confideration to the itthjea. He did nut contrary, was not defirou, to futivert any this g don. objed to that part r f the plan that went to draw a by that Right H :n. Gentleman ; the fad was nrice .l. o tnlideralde iiiimbir at men born the militia into that with his bell endeavours, he had code n thin; o k regular army. He thought that it would be a (a laugh). He ( Lord C.) had always advrfed tha moti efficacious me.afure at prefent, as it votold the charaEler and fOirit cf the %moniker corps Rollie; . a dow a conlokralale number of men to be fent to be upheld until lore other decilively fuperiot Oa . clan.fi it nceeifary. He objeded, however, to the blithment could be difcovered as a fubttitute. Hi- ,alt ttiag 36.000 men to fupply the vacancies in the Majelly's prefent Government had re ettahlithed the mili•ia, and to iocreate its force ; not hecaufe he oh fyltem of infpeCtion of the volunteers ; without tha• '.fled to the principle of the bailor, but that lie did fyliem it was impolTdale that any principle eferooorny .ot think that this aOS the moll effiaci •us exercife of could be obferved—that any teem ity could he en he ballot. He had been always a friend to the hal jnyed, for the proper admirtiftration of the funds, fat, even although it fell into general diforace a few appropriated to various parts of the volunteers fir rears ago, and although Mr—Pitt propoled a fedtme vice, or that the volunteer eh:Wan:cm could t'ekep for kee l ing up the atmy without it ; yet at that in an organized (late. It was in the canter:Thum!' time he declared, as be now thonght, that it was of his Majelty's Minifers to encourage vAunteer abfolutely impoffible to keep op Inch an army as was corps, not to fubtlitute permanent fervice for their necelfar y for the protedion of this country, and its drill days, for that in molt cafes would be inconve extenfive pi &Gins, without having recourfe to nient, and in many impraCticable, but to pars thole compullion in fome (hype or other. There was no drill days in exercifes from home. It would then be great army now kept up by any country in the world, teen which of thofe who entered into voluitteer cot p. without Come degree of compultion. It washy com did it for the fake of exemption, or for other mu- pulfion, in its Itridell form of confcription, ttott the lives. If Parliament fhould think fit to adopt any petfon, who is at the head of France, was able to fubfequent mealures on this fubjza, his Mai ffly'sMi conquer almoß the whole of Europe ; and, in order tillers would not fluink from it. Let them, how- to oppufe him, we mutt at leaf preferve that power ever, be deliberate in their undertaking, tecolleding which the Contlitution and eflablithed farms of this the old Paying, " the more Italie the work (peed." country gave us by tire ballat. The greaten etert inns The Noble Lord here entered into a brief recapitu• which the country could make would be barely I uffi lation of his arguments. He had been called upon cient, but certainly it Was no time to throwaway any to propofe to Parliament in a time of exigency, a of the means of exertion which bad formerly been meafure adequate to meet that exigency, and which, retorted to. As to the plan which had been brought therefore, whatever its nature might be, is open to forward lall (elfin!) by a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Prong and plaufible ohjeCtion , , fince it mull be one Windham), he certainly thought that Parliament of great burden, and impofing great facrifices on a ought not r.uihly to repeal it, hut that they Ihould give country which has already borne great burdens and it fair flay. His opinion of it, however, was, that it made great facrifice3—not with patience only, but was b all inefficient and dangerous ; inefficient. inaf with pleafure. But he was convinced that the coon- notch as it would hardly be futlicient to fupply the try would feel now as it had always felt, that thofe cafualities ; and danger( u,, inalmuch as, although 'Who prupoled thefe burdens u ere its belt friend., i t might raife more men, it would get fewer foldiers. becaufe they were propcfed for the fecurity and wel- (L ea r I hear!) He confidered that the charader of fore of the count: y. On tubjeds of this nature, con. the Englifh fuldier wa•fidigeneris ; he was fent to the fiderable difficulty exited in giving a preference to molt diflant parts of the world to combat a foe lupe one antorg various meafures, all (landing on the ri or in number. If our brave but unfortunate tot ground of fluid argun'ent and ingenious i eafeniog : diets, in the prefent cup paign in Egypt, had, on the but he could allure the H• tile, :hat the propulitton day of affirm, been thinking of religoring at the end which lie had the honour to fubmit to them was the of seven years, and letting up in their relpeCtive vil refult of the mill anximus corifideration fro m the ear- loges as tailors and (hoemakers, could their Comman- Nell period after the acceptance of office by his Ma- ding Officers have relied upon their exertions in the Jelly's ,vlinifters. They had made the bell propofition titre of danger ? [Loud cries of hear ! hear ! from they could—had dint', bed; as little as poffible, the Mr Windleam. and the Gentlemen whc fat near him]. exifting efiablifltment, and had not allowed them- i Ile 1124.1 then no obje&inn to giving ze,ooo men from Nees to enter the field of military dilcovery• Un• the Miiiria, nor to the ballot ; his only objeaion was queltionably, the militia fervice would, for a time, to the manner in which this ballot was to be ap be difturbcd, but it would form recover i felf, and he plied. In looking over the returns which had been was lure that when the efficers of the militia conii- I laid upon the table, he could not avoid obferving, dered that the men taken out elf the militia for the that as to the regular army, there was at prefent advantage of the c tuntry were only thole men w! to from twenty to twenty-five thoufand men, deficient mull loon have been difcharged by law, and that in of that number which was applicable to the defence lieu of them they would receive frefk and abundant of the United Kingdom, at the time that he and his Matetials for rendering the militia efficient both in c..lleagues were obliged to refign, on the charge of peace and war, they would give their cordial fupport not having done their utmoft to put the count' y into b the meafure. It was a confolation to raze, that a proper !fate of defence. He might call upon all the hiflory of this country did not afford an inflame the Adminifltations that fncceeded to fay, why they in which, when the public mind was called upon to had never added any thing to the (late of defence in encounter difficulties, it was the peculiar charaderif- which they found it, or rather why they have fuffered tic of Britain to rife fuperior to every obttacle, and the deferifive force of the country contlantly to d , .. ttever to be to throng or fo dillinguiffied, as after the cline ? When they law the volunteer force diminiflo value of diftrefs.. That individual, who unfortu- ing in numbers, why did they not ftibltitute fome stately for the world, had acquired loch an Aetna other meafure to fupply that deficiency ? He would dancy on the Continent, was little aware, that by afk them, why they had follfcattered the force of the that very afcendancy.he was creating in this country country, as that there should be now much fewer a power to which the world might ultimately look for men to oppufe to an invading enemy, than at the deliverance . ; and that out of the necelfuy which his time when he was in o ffi ce , during the fill year of inordinate'ambition produced, the military character the war ? As to the firfi body of men that had been of Great Britain would probably be railed to a fent to Eolith America, he c.nld eafily account for greater height than any to which it had hitherto the neceffity of fending them. A gallant officer (Sir t attained. The Noble Lord concluded by obferving, Home Popham) had, before that bufinefs, been tried that he &add divide the meafure into two Bills, and for it, and was acquitted. We Ihould therefore fay that if the Bill, for which he was about to move, i nothing more about the prudence of the original un- Ihroild not be ready for delivery to Members on that I dertaking, and he could eafily conceive that any Go night, of which he was fomewhat apprehenfive, he vernment would, after the firli impreffion had been Ihould not prefs the fecond reading 011 Friday, but i made, think it its duty to fend troops to fecu r e t h e propofe that it be poßponed to Monday. He then footing that had been gained. But, after the battle moved for leave to bring in a Bill, for allowing a co.- of Jena had been 1011, he could not conceive how it I taro proportion of the militia in Great Britain vulnn- could have entered into the heads of any Minitters to g tatily to enter into his Majefly's regular forces. I detach fuck a large force as was lent with General Crawford, eritriflin, as he be:kved, of no len than 5.000 of our very be tronps ! He really could not conceive how fuch a thing could hxv entered into any head. 'fl: lte;,trlat Force was lefs by 25,0c0 men thin it was in 1E.:4, and lets by t s.cco thin it was at this tirne lafi year. He knew how impoilib eit was to concentrate our forces rapidly, and therdore . . had nn objeei:.n to adding, by any expedient, to our RTgniar Force. Ai to the men, however, w!4l were to be rai.ed by ballot, he flyoulti innnitely prefer the raifing them on the Army of Receive fyilena to that of the Militia, and principally becanfe in that cafe they might be fent over to Ireland. He always conficlered, that the formation of the at my of Referve wa. a great Ilep gained towards putting . cur tnilitary efiablithment on its proper filing. He had himfeif heel I , ng a Militia officer, and Inuit be fu rather partial rataer partial to the Militia fyllem, bin that partiality fh-uld not prey ..nt him from fpeakiing the truth and declaring that in his opinion theMili•ia 611 em wasi.". me.il fire .zroiett cut. The !Cilia fyflem was originally cal ciliated for foc) w.irs as we formerly had %Kith France. The grcatelt danger that the country had been ex poled to for a long tint, was when Marfhal S:xe, having colleded an army el 30,050 men at Calais and 13 , .ulogne, appeared friddenly off I)ungenef , . Agair.ll filch dangers as thrfe, the Militia might b: an aderrtate defence ; but the fituation of afFairs was now compltte:y changed. The w.cr might he now faid to have latted fourteen }'curs, aad as he law no end of it, he thought it might be t.rlc:n at fourteen }ears more : Ire did nit therefore think it poffihle • that proper cflicers could be obtained for tke militia, during rich a le. , p,th of time. 'Diet e were at prcftnt 56 fr.cind battalions in the cr , tintry, which generally ow not eon(' lof more that z 5.3 m-m each. It would be therefore necefftry to fend 750 men to each, to complete them, and all the men which wire propored to be got from the Militi I would not be fufficient to complete 36 of them. He &mid therefore prr pole that the tentaining twenty Ihrnald be added the nine garrifon bvtalions that were nearly complet, and that then Ole ballot (l o operate to fill thofe 29 garrifon hatiali ns. The Adrian , age that h e would prr•pofe from this would he, that inflead of 25,00emen gained for the regular army for the dr.ft,,q,e of the country, there would be46.cco. As to ate Militia, he really tloniglit the hell plan to r n was to keep them up to the number r f so col men, and then fe. d 'litn'to their reipeaive counties. If the Training aft were to be car rie.l into force, he thought that the 2CiD,':OO men, or m hatever number sere prefent exteencres ? The plan of his hfaktly's Mint. •Ilers was this, Let us hr-ak up the Militia. N whcd it was propnled to hteak tip filch a rote,. A the Mili tia, the fi conlideta•ion would naturally be. wha t Mit.;! , ers intended t., put in the place o' t f He would certainly as he 1t iii altiv y con•ende..4 that the fame men mull he more caci.ne t t tlraf•ed . itvo regime; 's that had Peen 11 let vi.:e, and en n. m nide lii ci s ) ois eel ffi err, t hey r 0111 be lit reg i tit en t s aril to do offi ers -alto hid never leeri any real fat rice. He way CrVlVirlCe ; hat a regular regiment wouldbe, to the ell o' ime flperi r to a whirl t re•Aiment. Wit in ei , eit it the welfare of the count' v, wha•cYc; aid tar the ftt;.eri r Org . errs of might feel, the In'—vdin e o;Ecert had neiih.r the lime m tiv s't I a-' tit ir pi .1, IT m; and certainly n t ;h: lam 4,pp rtoni!ie. as fli ersi in the regul.:r regiment , . II ha beet, m .ch trad red. as an enemy to the Mitfy .. ro, at' ell as to it • f thr V :Inntee s. A I.re y ft :d bee en le tv,,itted to be tailed agii 'I him on th s Iron I ; but the 111 i. trio Officers were n e !liiy I he 'lc was holt& to them. as 111 My of Hi- V iteey • ware lie h. id indeed told mmyofls• M li it Col n is, that they were in much gi ever t'an . ,!er fr tm their pie• tended friends than they we e m idol. He re minded them of tie Spanifh prover:), On read me againg my filen Is, and I A% 11' ale care t; guard my. fell againll my enemies."—He had 1 , 1.1 them that the friendfhip 'tared by the 0 title:nen in the other fide of the Houle to the 111 i tia, wa. only the friene,:hip of the wolf, or of the but: het to the limb, wit ; froqld with to prtferve it fir their own killing (a laush )It was like the favour which Come •ounti y Gentlemen fisewed to game that they with: d to pre ferve, till convenient In: them ant their Itiends to make a great flaughter (a loud hugh ) It had In turned on'. The vciy men who 11.)d lb tilted abufed him as an enemy to t! le Militia fyilern, were now going to break it up at once. by taki thole troops that the Militia officer s had taken fo much paint to bring to perfeaion, and adding them to the regular regiments. If the Militia o.lonels were however con tent to make this facrifice, he would not wills to fay any thing to oppofe it. lie thought, however, that it would be a confiderable facrifice, and he thought that if the quaint) was merely the defence of the country, it would be an imputation on the Militia that they did not deferve—t fay they would be of much more ufe if handed over to other Officers. He allowed, that in many refpedsthe Regulars were to be preferred to the ; but he thought, that for the pat ticular fervice fr;r which they were railed, to defend the country from invalion, the Miiizia regiments were fufli.•iently good. If die 25.000 men could be pre. velie.l upon to enter immediately into the R-gular Army from the Militia, lie cruet! not fee that them wool] he any important acceffion of teal (henget; until their phces cottld be well fupplied. He did tot fee what great good would refult from ir, utilefs Minifters could befpeak their invanon at their own ::me (a /a....;/:), and tell Bonaparte tl at he mull not come, ut;til ail thofe new liallt.ted hien were well trained, and fit to oppofe him. He thought that when a MCAftit eo f filch confiquence was prop: fed as the breaking up the Militia, there oagitt at leaft to he iome prong pound; of neceffity made out. In confi. (tering the plan pt opofed, it was neceffitry not only to think of what it does, but of is hat it undoes, not only the force that it creates, hot the force alb) which it dcllroys. Gentlemen on the other fide of the Houle were very apt to tun away with the notion that the plan which he had the hon , ur of propofing to Parlia. meat, was intended, like the many plans which had preceded it, as a grand fpecific ngrum. which was immediately to 'Ale the army to the number rd cnen required. fie HI it, however, to the recolleftion, and to the candour of tho Gentlemen thernielves, to fay whether he had ever held out loch hopes. Initead of holding it out as his grand fpecific, he had ex cited the mertiment of thole Gentlemen by fa}irg that the meafure he propofed was princbally va luable for Its fimplicity, and for not profelling to he a plan. lie had laid that the country had, for many years, been t•ufting only to (hilts at,d expe dients, and that nothi:ig of a permanent nature had been adopted. The Army of Relerve was only a temporary expedient, and did not prole to have any thing permanent in i: ; and of all 'cm potary expedients twat had been !clotted to, it was the one which he preferred. 'lnk Army of Referve, however, after producing a certain number of men. flopped of itf.lf, and c :old rot be cart ied farther. If the to. ceeding Adtr.inifiration repealed it, it was not from vanity or envious jealoury of their predecefrors, but becanfe it could produce no more men, and it be came necelrary to Ilrike out tome other expedient.— The next expedient reforted to, was the Additional Force Aft. If he had moved the repeal of that Aft, it was not becaufe it had b en brought f award by a former Adminiftration, but becaufe it could do no further good. It WAS completely fu.ilias ecio. The Noble Lord need not have taken much pains to the Houle, that there was nothing ingenious or original in his plan, as it was well known that ewer fine: the year 1795. incregfing the militia by ballot, and then dra!tirg from them to the line, was the con- Rant relotirre when a confiderable addition was ne ceffary to the regular force. In t 796, it was wifhed to catry the militia and fupplementary militia up to 9c,0c0, but this was found to be impoilible. After that, a confiderable number were drafted from the Militia for the expedition to Holland. The Noble Lord might therefore reft allured, that while he (luck to increating the militia by ballot, and then drafting them, the Houle would never (ape& him of any ori ginality in his plans. —(Aqaugh.)—The plan that was hied of Provincial Cavalry, was the wont of all lchernes. It was molt intolerably burdenfome to the country, and even ladies and women were a bliged to pay Sixty or feventy guineas towards railing the men. He did not with to fay any thing difrelpeft ful of Mr. Fitt's plans, otherwife he thould have called the Provincial Cavalry plan one of the molt lonia that ever had been adopted. The Add:. tional Force Aft had completely failed before hi- r td moved for its repeal. He did not fee any °disc criterion to prim.tunce that a mc a f ure h a. , co is plevely failed, except its toil inadequacy to p -o duce the effeft it prornifed ; Whv i t it was fir t ope led in 04, the hopes held out were, What by he eft of 01tober, 1805, it would have proslnCed 40,000 m but inliead of that it had only produced twe v by the tit of March ; in 33 months it only p oduced 15 nr t 6.000 men. The men that n did raife were an enormous' xpeoc;.to the count r band could be bad judged necelitry to be called out.. lb - auld be enter att. ed upon the Militia, that they Should exercife their own coun7ice, an.l never he called out of them except in tale of aelial inrafi in. The 3eecoo militia foldiers would be perfettly fit flicient to ia;ttna them in their military dircipline, and filch a combined force might aft s' his the fame •:ifitiercy with which the old rwlitia of England would have aced, nyder the circuroilarxei fir which it was etlab;iiLed. This was a plan for which lie thought the country was perfectly ripe, and which he c infidered would he fistilcieet, in corjitoelon with our volunteer force, to repel any attempt which the Trant or Fiance could make ageittit this euntry. • Mr. BATHURST 14d, that he was not fisTrifed that the Noble Lott! who brosight in this meaftire lh •ult.l have taken Cone notice of she plan btouelst in kill hellion ; but he thought it was by no means ne• celfary for him to hare 7.nce the length be had done, in commenting upon it. Since it had been fo much Spoken of, he would declare, that it was his opinion, that it had been efficient in a great degree. It had net been introduced as a plan profelling to rai'e a great number of rr.en in a {hurt time ; but it had been prtity foccefsful hitherto, and lie did not defpair hot that it would in time be fufficient Wit only to fisrple the caftral tits of the army, but to afford it as regular and cohitant an increale as could be wifhed for. At prelim it was evident, 'hat we muff look to Cone expedient for rapidly obtaining an increafe to the number of our army. He thesq,dit that if the Noble le-rd (Calleteagli) owed any apology to the ii -nfe,• it was for not briligieg hi, meat - tires fooner forward. It ha-1 been frequently thrown cot that the prefent Seffion was likely to be Short; and that a full attendance of fklernb:.r. I could net be expee'ied ; end yet it now 'appeared that meafures of the welted importance were its referee, and to be brought for ward in the cootie of the Seffion. The Training 1111 had been. decla'ed inefficient, and it was• hated that other meafires mutt be reit-rted to, to make tisk. gi eat mealtire more efficacintss. He could not but regret that Inch im• portant mealw es were delayed to fi advanced a pe rt-id in the Seffion. He thought if it Was allowed to be neceitat y to raife a cos fiderable number of men, by ballot, the only epiedinn was, whether it was bet ter to raife them on the principle of the militia, or of the Army of Referee? If the Milit;a sere now dated to be incompetent to that for ss hich the Mili•ia was eflabliflied, the defence of the country, lie did not lee open what grounds we could ex,teet that •Gen tlemen wouldeake the fituation of NI i; i:t Officers. —As to all the objeeions which were made to. the fyllem of the Army of Refer ye, he t bought they were mach dronger in the year t 803, when that fence was firft ellablithed, than they conic' *be at the•re• Cent moment. At that timethe country seas, in a great meafure, exhantted by the great force o f dif ferent defcriptions which had been railed in .; - ,e comic of the year, whereas now the conntry had not been recently drained by any extraordinary exertion. As to the temiffion of the fines, he thought it proper.— The Army of Referee Mt had been infpendesl, he caufe there were peat doubts of the poffibility of its being carried further, and then the fines were turned over for the purpnfe of lop:sorting a new fyilem, called, " The Additional Force Aft," which alto failed. It appeared to him, that the bell mode was to open as great a 'variety of channels as pritlible, to thole who were difpoled to enter into the Service of the country. Some men would prefer the Militia, Come the limited fervice, and fume the fervice f •r life. Mr. WINDHAM laid, that he did not mean to go at length into the difctdTion of the plan proptifed, but the Houle would fee that it was abiolutely im pnflible that he Should allow lime obfervations of the Noble Lord to go Onarbfwered. In addition to this motive, which made it abfolutely necefrary for him to rife, he thought it was neceflary to fix the atten tion of the Houle to the real queltion which was at Übe. The queilion was, how to procure the number of men that was wanting to complete the regular army, to the point that was judged neceflary in the