Star. — London, England, 1807-07-23 00:00:00

PARLlAlllnAriit , r Pit PMUSP. OF C IMMONS, WEDN' S "AY, TULY at.. I.m d HOW ICK an/ feveral other Members cook the oaths and their feats Uu th- motion of Mr. CHEFSEMPNT. sn Account Wig or. tiered to be laid before th, Howe of the grnf. Receipt' at the Pat Office fr..nt the oh of April, 13:13. tr. , the sth of Agri; Mr SUMNER prtft ,ted a Petition Rom J hn Alcnck, Ffq praying for an enlargement or the term for rub: one into recogni sance,' nn Me Petition complaining of an timid.. Return for the Borough is , laneafter, on the go - flood of the hielif edition of one of the 'ureter. He then moved that the time of entering into re efiroisanets hr -ohrged to Monday nest S • JOHN NEWPOR 1' thought the application highly We pt, P. MOORE way of opinion. that the detlre of the Petition timid not be agreed to. I'e hoped the Houfe would recollect, that atd• w g the fame Mr. Alcoek, who wag tall Seilinn called to the Bar and frverely and pit'' , rcirimanded for the irreghlarity of his con , 'lldt on the oecafion of tit former Contested kledtiou for Lime fler. Mr. DEN I' fl 'ted that the twn fureties Whom Mr. Alcoek attempted .0 imi ofc upon this Houle, were his own Clerks, and it WS fu ety very ealy tee him to find a third Clerk to fizn the Bond If one or the other- was ill. It was his (Mr. Dun's) inten tion to expefe to the linvfe a fcene of inquiry and villainy fo numfirnus riveting this F.leetion, that the Hoar could not believe it, link& ttrongly authenticated by the evidence he had in his nolleffion. This difelniure he would Coon make. fay moving for a bill to rut an end to Inch praelices in future. [Hear, hear The SPI. A KI.It tl weir it his duty t4t give his opinion on this fittleft row h4or.• the !inure As to the excufe offered I tfpeeling the illnefs of ore of the Sureties. the lioufc itfelf would jedge of its eretlibili•y ; hut as tn the pretext of the ignor met of the agent in the form' of that iinufe—was a perfon, a ho, like Mr Alcoa , unt'.ertook robe a Solleir , r iai a cm.tefted eleetion, entitle to tell tht Commot s that he was ignorant of i a forms `,Hear. bear. hear!) Mr RASP brought In 2 Bill to make the Harbour of Arn`ler dam, in the to rid of Curacca a free port. Read a lira, and er• demi to be lead a fe tone' rime to trorrow. In a Committee on the linen Aft, a Ref°lalina was 2 7feta toe to allow ■ Drawback on l.intns exported to the Weft Indies.-•-• The P rport wag ordered to he r-ceived to morrow. The Naval Store* Bill went through a Committee ...The Re port f which was 07 lerril tI he received to morrow On the mothn or Mr. ISIDDULPH, an Account wat ordered to be laid before the Houle, or all Duties on Coal and lime car. T ied e , , aftwile is the Yrinciiality of Wales, for the halt three years. !Or. iitißT 'OUSE brought in a Bill for the continuance of fe vers) aft• reia•ing to the Bridal Fidlerles and the Woollen Ma tioiaetures •-Read a Brit, and ordered to be read a fecund time to aierrow. WSW MILITARY YEAR. Lord CASTLREAGH, in putfuanee of the tin tile i he ha I had the honour to On, role to call Os, attention of the Houle to the military meafores which to, Majesty's Minitlers thought it their duty an ptopofe, a f..bjeft at all times important, but Ferhapt never to i , ,.portant as at the prefent momen tou- cease It had been to him a fubjen of confi 4es-0k smeafinefs, that the ptoduftion of thcfe mea fure. had been fornewhat delayed by his own per (nnal indifposition ; but there were other aod more ferions califes which had induced Government not In be halls in hinging them forward. His Majetly's Minifitrs Could not but feel, on coming into office, that the event of the campaign on the Continent which was then opening, whether favourable or dd . - afirous, was likely to prefent to the obfervation of Parliament, the trued motive* for inciting them to eatrtion—motives much more powerful than any which the llatements ..1 Government could otherwife proitiee He conld alto allure the Right Hon Gentle man oppolite, that his Maiefly's Miniflets were anxi• mos that their mut n to office fhould not be marked With ar y undue impatience to (obvert the plans of their medteeffors. Among the eminent qualities of the Right Hon. Gentleman, the folicitude to &limy eflablifhcd fy Items v'as one, which he owned he was dtfirous to emulate. Impreffed with there feel. inr, his Majeli y's Minificrs examined deliberately the military fyttem already in exillence. lie was pre pared to admit, that whatever objeflinns he felt to that fyttem, he alfo felt eonfiderable difficulty in making a fundamental alteration in it. A comproa tively toferior fyflem laid claim to protection fa:an the citcumflance of its. being in exiftence ; and there. fore, in what he fhould r ffer to the Houle, the Right H n Gentleman would not find fuck a deiberate putpofe of al es ation as perhaps he expelled, or as elniraelei ized his own arrival in that department, , whlcl he ( Lord Caftlereagh) had now the honnnr to fill. Having thus Ila-ed the reafons why this fub jet had not been fubmitted at an eaili:r peti:al to the coo fiierati 'n of Parliament, he fhluld now feel it his duty to propofe to them a meafure of great enetge. which would put the country to much in convctience, which w•-uld folk& it to revere lacri fice.., but ...Mich was rendered inoifpenfable by the circumliances of the times, and by the meafores of the la e Administration. On this point be felt re lieved from the necellity of entering into a particular and detailed defeription of this neceifity. The pre fent foliation of Europe was enough of Well to route the public attention. If the late Administration allowed, when they were in ffice, that the military nth of the country was inadequate to its ohjeds, w much Inure fo mot it now be, when it was hardly p..flible to turn our eye' to any quarter in which the interefis of Great Briton wet e nnt at flake. If the Cohere of afli.-n were gteat,when the Right Hon. Gentleman was ia powet, how mach was it extended at the prefent moment ? We bad now to fupport new pi int iples of policy, and to feed fo much larger an at my employed on foreign fervice. In the army at home alto, we lave called upon either to make a great effort to render the fecond battalions of our tegiments efficien:, or with a duo regard to economy, to abandon them altogether- He was apprehenfive, however, that th• old they be.abandoned, the weak- Ads w Itieb Milked them, would charaderize the fir fl battali• ns, ani that the Grit battalions would loom become as inefficient as it was In deeply to be lamen ted that the feces d battalions 'sow woe. It was im poffible to look to the general Alpe& of Europe, and to the lawn% on the table, by which it appeated how large a potti n if our force was emplo)cd abroad, and even on the moll fuperficial view, entertain a d. tiht • f the neceffity of great exertions indeed, if we were tlefirous of !meter Tit g our fecurity at home, and of n abandming our military greatnefs abroad.— If the fleet y were ditputed, he was prepared, and flaPed his perft nal refponfibtlity to pore (could he do 1.1 without divulging that which ought not to b e divulged), by the molt fatisfdlory and undoubted details that no voluntary or other local force was ad ouate to the wants of the country, but that for eve: y thing r.f that del - aiming, a regular and efficient (nice mutt he fubtlituted. The queltion.. therefore, Was not whether the volunteer fyflem, or the train ing bill, cowl l he improved ? but what that fyftem was *Welt would carry OR regular mmy and militia to the higheß point, with the lean inconvenience to the exilling eitablithment., and with the molt mo. derate pleirtire on the c• miry ? If he had fatisfied the linufe that f-rne fcbitantive . increafe of regular f , ree was neeetrary for the prefervation of our dearth intereits, it would be a rropoll ion not very difficult to efiablith, that r.ve mutt not rely for that - amount of Itree which the public exigency I required, on the fyllem of ordinary reel oiling which the Right H-nnttrable Gentleman oppolite had pro• jeOed, or on any fylicm of ordinary recruiting, whir lt human wildom had devifed. He would not now enter into a detailed examination of the Right Hon•turable Gentleman's fyflem :—that would be a fuhjea for future dircullion ; but he would gene rally (late it as his nwrt deliberate and decided con viainn, that if any fy Item of ordinary recruiting were freed as much as it was poffible to free it from the effeEls of undue competition, and were in every rtfpat as well adminiftered as it was in human power to ad. miniller it, it might keep up an army once brought to its handard, but it could never be competent of keeping up an army, and rf increafing it at the fame time. Let the Houle l.ok at the relish nf the Right Hon. Gentleman's fyllem for the fait fix months—the mod favourable period of its operation —they would find that, deduaing the boys 'Aired by it, the aeual produce of men obtained for the army, was not In great as by the former double operation of the ordinary recruiting, and the Additional Force A 8 ; much leis was it calculated to give that en. create to cur military fltength, which the foreign meafures of his Majefty's late Minitters (and into the wifdom of thole meafures he would not now enter) had rendereJ ceceliary. If therefore it war meant to have a bona Pe addition to the amount of out public force, it was perfectly illufory to depend on the ordinary recruiting.—ln truth, therefore, the epienton came to this, what meafures moll be re torted to to raife the army to the llandard to which circomltances imoored the necellity of its being railed ? Certainly by tome fort of compullion. No defirable fpecies of compullion had ever occurred to any Aduirnitlration unconnes9ed with ballot : and here he could not avoid condemning the unneceffary pains which the Right Honourable Gentleman oppo. lite had taken to decry the ufe of ballot. If it were allowed that contra ion mull be retorted to, and that that compullion mule be founded on ballot, our choice was narrowed to a very Ignited extent. In Ibbmit ting to Parliament what had occurred to his Majel ty's Minillers as molt expedient on this rubje3, he hoped they would not expea any peculiar novelty.— He acknowledged that he had not made any very great difcovery : be had indeed avoided every thing that appeared mighty ingenious, becaufe he knew very well that on all fobjeets, and efpecially on mi litary lubjeels, there ingenious and complicated theo ries, although they might look extremely well on paper, were found to be fadly deficient when at tempted to be ;Mt into praltice ; He was perfuaded, whatever his opinion of the military plans of the Right Honourable Gentlemen, that at all times and in a flare of war above all other times, it was ha nitely better to adopt the military eflablifhment of the country as they drid, and to fortify and fupport thaana than to weaken and throw them down for tip purpofe of fubilituting tome frcolation, of which I experience alone could pr ive the loperiority. There teemed to be this Pimple alternative on which to de cide: If we v.ere t,, raife a great number of men by ballot, the country mull be called upon either to fubmit to a ballot for men dire& (or the regular army, or to fubtoit to a ballot for men for the Mi litia, with the view of our draining from the Militia, that aid which the incomplete regimmis of the live required. He would (late the grounds for the option made by his Majelly's Minitters, and Phew why they mono , . it the leis advifeoble meafure to raife a num ' her ot men by ballot dit al for the regular army.— I: was true that the Aft of 180.1 (the Army of Re feive Al) to which lie might conlikr himfelt a party, was for the purpofe of railing men by ballot direct for the army; and it was alt . () true, that it ever a military meafure was beneficial to the country, it was that Al, from which, so a very fhort (pace of time, molt imporoent advantages had been derived. If, ierefore, the country norot in the fame li. nation, as that in which it flood in iBo+, he thould certainly have thought it the duty (.1 his Majetly's Handlers to fubmit to Parliament f , me propolition, analogous to the Army of Iteterve Aet ; but- it was impotlible not to feel that the eirtormllonces of the country were elfzutiaHy differeht now tr..m what they were then, and that they were now precilely fuch as to afford thong realons b.r a preference ot the other mode of increating our military Itrength. In :he fird place, from the magnitude of our force (however yet ina dequate) we had more nearly approached to thofe bounds which every country, limited in population, malt needle:4 he prevented from furnilbing more I men for its military fer vice, or at leali from furnifh• ing I:iem without ct nliderable difficulty.• If, there fore, a mode offered iifelf of procuring men with more facility than in any other way, that mode ought to be adopted. There was another firiking difference between the fituation of the country when the Army of Kele:ye AIE was paffed; and the kilo ti ot of the country at prefutt. Jolt before the former period, the regular Militia had been balloted, and had been called into lervice ; now their period of fervice had expired, and would terminate with the ter mination of she war. Whatever fuppllieo therefore, might now be drawn from the militia for the regular army, would crinfilt of men whofe fervicea would be otheroite approximating to a conclufion, while the new levies to fill up the deficiency thus oecafioned in the militia, would confilt of mer. commencing a term of let vice of five years. Thus the country would obtain a military protalion ready for a new war, or any other emergency, and would enjoy a diminution of thole burdens, which mull otherwife be incurred at the conclufion of peace, to replace that very great portion of di* militia which mull in that event be difcharged. In propofing, therefore, to levy men by ballot for the militia, rather than to receive the provifions of the Army of Referve AEI, no new or avoidable burden would be impoled upon the coon `try, but that burden merely would be anticipated, to which, on the return of peace, the country muff fubmit. That part of the mealute of the Right Ho nourable Gentleman hilt year, which excluded.from the army any regular battalions for limited fervice.' was another &wig caufe for referring the mode now propofed of augmenting our force. It was true that this obliacle was not infunnumntable, but it was the -- with nf his Majelly's Minillers to diflurb as little as; poffihle the exolling military eltablifhments of the, country. The levy of men for the rriLitia would be leis-prejudicial to the country and to the regular re• cruiting for other reafons. There was a greater p e onenefs in the . peafantly to enter into the Militia than* into that regular army. Men for the militia would not only he more eafily got, but they would he of a better defcription, and alt hough he allowed that the large ballot which would be required,would raife the bounty conaderably, yet it would not be raifed fo much as if the fame ballot were to take place direct-for the regular army. The balloting for the militia had become congenial to the habits of the coointry. It was familiar with it. The people re cognieed it with tranquility, and the magiftrates ex• ecuted it with cafe. The army of refelve at), al though a mat etlimable meafore at the time of its adoption, yet being one of cornparaively greater preffure, after it had been four months in opelatioo, degenerated fo much, that thole by wham it had been propofed thought it their duty to naive for it. fiifpenfion. He thought alto the Houk would feel, that the fa& of the penalties under the Army of Re• ferve Al never having been enforced, was a mall le rhos obiacle to any recurrence to that mealore Thole who were in power had transferred the penol ties to the additional force aCI and that alone ; but when the Right Honourable Gentleman prorated to Parliament tn . repeal thole fioes in defiance of every principle of public juQice and leginative dignity, he (Lord Cafilereagh) had endeavoured to thew how pregnant with mifchief that Right l Iton. Go.talcnien's prop: 4410 n was ; and that it was one which would tender nugatory any meafure fimilar to the Army of Referve MI. That the Itep then taken was un. wife, now appeared pretty (lowly ; and were he to , propufe a renewal of the Army of Referve ACI, he was fatisfied that he fhould, in confequence, fubjea the country to all the vexation of a leginstive mea fore, which mutt end in complete failure. The Houle would alfo feel as an inducement to prefer the mode which he had fuggefled ; that looking at the pttfent fituation of the country, if the Gentlemen of the militia were difpofed to lend themfelves to loch a laudable °Ned, it was much more deniable that any tempnrary inefficiency (hail(' cliff in the defers- five rather than in the offenfive part of our military force. In every point of view, therefore, it Teemed preferable to raife men for the regular army from the militia, than to rani men for the regular army by a ballot. It was a mete anticipation of a burden which mull be impnfed—it was a cheaper method— it was one by which better troops would be pro cured—and it would ultimately reftore to the re cruiting market that mono poly which he was as dc firm s as the Right linnororable Gentleman opp fite, that it should proffers. Having thus detai:e.! the grounds on which the meafore now propofed had been adopted, it became reeeffary to Ila.e the extent of the levy. At the terminati nof five years fervice, l all men balloted for the militia, were eat I t l e ‘t to their difcharge. The official d ocements proved, that from December next to the fucceeding May, between five and fix ?flatland rf the militia would he In entitled to their difcltoge, ',elides the wale produced by other cirmanflanceo He was ens iroa , when the firhjeCl of ball at was aritated, to ftibm:: in tie I look, ro e ex pediency of providing not only a cover for this defi eiency, , and this wane. but all) loch a number of ifolletnomeraries (tor whom the officers now in the militia would be fofficient ), as wcnld render aric for ther ballot for two or three years s holly iinneceiTary; fo that a fccurity would be given In the line, that a continual ballot would not exit in competition with their ordinary recruiting. In looking to the number of men which it would be proper to /Ale for tilde purpofes. two Twilit - on* offer themfilees for confideration. What number of men coold the mi litia a fford to (pare and what number of men did the army indifpenfably require to put it in a lime of adequate efficiency ? that was, to place every regi ment, including the fecund battalions, on its proper footing ? Having duly weighed theft pointo his Majedy's Minillers propofed that all thole men now feiving in the militia exceeding three fifths of the mi litia eilablithment in Great Britain, and one half of the militia in Ireland, lhould be transferred tn the line. By this arrangement, about 21.700 men would be gained from the militia tt Great Britain, and about 7000 from the militia of Ireland. It had been thought better to pulsate to take the excels above three• fifths of the Bri ilh militia enabliffiment, and the ex eels about one half of the Lint militia ellabfiffiment, rather titan to take two-fifths of the Britifh militia and half the Ira militia, becaufe as feveral of the militia regiments were not completely filled up, the latter mode would weaken them too much. In one word, by the propofed plan, the Btitifh Militia would remain at three fifths, and the Ira militia at one half of. its prefent ellablifliment. The risen to be railed by ballot were, as he before Rated, fur three objetis—to cover the walte in the militia, to (ripply the deficiencies occafianed by fa great a tran,fer from the militia regiments to the regular army, and to provide a body of fupernumeraries large enough to prevent the fpeedy recurrence of the ballot. To effed thole objefts, it had been thought better to mention a proportion, rather than a defined num ber. As the law at prefent Rood, Iris Majefly was impowered to call on the counties to ballet for a fupplementary militia, amounting, in Great Britain, to 24,000 men, viz. 20,C00 in England, and 4.000 in Scotland. As the number of this ltippleinentary Militia was exaeily half the eftablithed militia, fo it had been deemed advifeable to propofe that the counties mould be called upon for a fupplementary militia and a half, making 36,000 men for Great Britaion,befides eight thoufaud for Ireland. Allow. ing for the necelfary walk, this would add at lean 38,0c0 men to the grofs military force of the country, and 38,000 men to the regular army ; leaving with the militia a large body of lupernumeraries, fufficient for a long period, to releafe the Handing army from the embarraffments which a ballot mutt occafion; and when pease fhould arrive, infleasl of not having any militia at all, the country would poffefs a militia of 36,000 men, and would only have to raife the dif ference between that number and the full eftablifhs mem, namely, a fourth, or twelve thoufand men.— Having thus Hated the extent to which in the prefent public exigency it had been thought wife to carry the encreafe of the regular army from the militia, he obfervei, that no pains had been fpared by his Majefly's Government to digett a mode of transfeltinz the men from the °atoll •to the line, More free from ofijetiinn than any tEat had heed hitherto deviled, more palatable to the officers of the militia . , and lets likely to hurt that jolt pr'ide in their different reeiments; Which they fo laudably entertain ed. On this put of tie fuljeet, his Majefty's Go. vernrtent would he extremely happy to receive any fiseg'Otioes, from the officers of the militia, with which they mieht think proper to favour them. U had °reacted to his Nlajelly.'s Mininers, that there were two oojeCtienr which were likely to prefs nn the e ee lit.os oi the ma i is rdlicers—the first was, the large am mat of the fmce that would be fubftrafted honk' the militia—tee other, the danger which the militia r,..iments wouli for a white imur of a relaxation of ,Or ipliee by the volunteering arid recruiting for the :in:. With relocn to the firft objetlion, he trufted it would net be deined a very ferious one, when it was confidered :hat, although a great diminution in die uttmhers of the militia mull certainly take place, for the inereafe of the rcgul it army, yet theta greater number w.rtill lee immediately fupplied from the counties. Wrei reipeet to the fecond nbjeetion, ii was propoiel in tee tit II iiin ince, and for a certain' per ied, to fub'n.t the recruiting f• - r the line from thi militia edely to the diteCtion of the Militia Officers.' It was pie-soled that, for thirty days after the inning; of the wa- taros, no ((deice or officer of the reglOac :stilly fit :old iaterplfe, or have any intercenrfe with . the militia. It w.rs in the contemplation of his Ma; jetty, ;:rli of Iris Royal Highnefs the Commander . - ti (thief, to give, as ttentl, commit ins in the line, ita proreirti, , n to in : moldier of men railed, and to cow migi'm the officers in the regiment to which the metl might be invited to go, fliouid the winked for nulli fier not he ',traduced within the 3o days—but it wit' alto propofed in accept a (mailer proportion admi t provided they weYe rodnced in thirty days :-• in preference .to the allowing of v•ltinteering its round numbers, if a third was thus produced in- Veal of z ethr. He would fubmit to the Hoeft bet a few obfer vations on the terms of enliftment, becanfe they would with more proptiety, become the fubjeCt of a future dilcuffim. He was certainly far from wi(hing to anticipate the decifion of Parliament, on a quellion of fo inrerelling a nature, as whether or not the men fhould be allowed to enlift for life ? tho' he enefeffed, that he differed very widely from the Might Honeurable Gentleman oppofite, in his opi. 'lions on t h is point, he was by no means difpofed to advife that the regulations adopted halt year by Parliament flintild he tefcinded, and things rellored to their fo mer nate. Still he thought' it would be wife to give to individuals the alternative whe eler they would enlist for life or not—but he ad mitted that the only fit eppnttunity for difeuding this otieflion would be on the introduelion of the :.Tti.iny Lin and that filch difcuflinn was it relevant to a col!ater as inc rcure like that before the Houle. He scrod,' (-Verve, linweve-, that the Right Hon. Geo d.:man liimieli hot not thought that nn cafe could occur in which a d:viation from his regulations would he advir•elile. lie had certainly held out an expec te ion to all thore who had ferved 21 yearsin the ar my, that they wont.: he immediately difcharged, but prudence would not l'low him to venture on this eep, and in the fare of id; own ptinciples, he atelain ed from clirChatging thole men, who were very nu merous, and who were 'rill in the fervice. If there " fere the flielit Hen. G-rolemen r.:lared the regulaa dons o! Pat riament to iiit his own convenience, fere ly he (Lori Callerear 2 ,'l) might call upon Parliament ,to relax them for the conveeience of the public, and for the advancement of the genet at interest. If he were fo fel tuoate as to pet feade the Houle to agree to his plop feiens for transferring a portion of the militia to the line, and La railing a great number of men hy ballot for the militia, he was convinced he could thew them, that nha.ever might be the expe diency at granting filch an tibial to the peafantry enlieing for the line, it would uttcp.eftionably be ad. enable to give to the militia entitling in the line the option or a limited or an unlimited term of fervice; of cfmtfe with an increafed bounty for the latter ; that thole who were not In fenfible of the charms of a limited term of fervice as the Right Hon. Gentle. man oppofite, might be empowered to make their election accordingly. He did not mean to make this a part of the general meafore, but would fubmit it in a feparate classic. He mull not omit to Hate what it was the intention of his Majeily's Milliners t- pro pole, with regard to that part of the military force of the country which was not regular nor militia ; but which was ready to import and CO ne in aid of both; and fire}, as to the Right H es. Gentleman', meafure of lei year, the Training Bill. In duty to him and to the Houfe, Come explanation was neceffary of what had been done by his Majefty's Miniflers on this fuhjeel 'ince they came'into office, and of what I they meant to do. The feet was, that if they had been the original advifers of the meafure, or had par taken of the Right Hon. Gentleman's partiality for it, it would have been nit of their power to carry it into effeet ; for in happily was it contrived, that the ballot could not go forward in many of the coon ties, and though in this double carrying Bill, the / militia ballots were foroended, it left the training 1 lilts completely in the back ground I Confiftently with the sentiments which he had already (hated, he declared, that though not an original admirer of the Right Honourable Gentleman's meafure, yet being 1 its exinence, he withed to draw even from that mea fure as mech inifitary refource as potlible. 'He would, therefore, not propi fe to Parliament to abolini that part of it which 'elated to claffificationo. ballots, & c for the due execution of which, Go -1 vernment had it in contemplation to fuggen fume provifiens ; hut as to the training part, he confeffed, that he had 'lever been able to obtain•-jofortration; and he called upon the Right Honourable Gentle man, it he could, to afford it to him how that could poflibly take place tinder the fupetintendance of a voidable alone, the only way prefented by the Bill. Indeed the Right Honourable Gentleman had contrived to throw filch a ridicule over this part of the fuhje6, that it was ip vain to hope we could inipire a rti;lic feeling upon it, or con ' vett the training In directed into a runic amufe ment. He pledged Isimielf therefore, to Pro• pole that this part of the training bill thould not be realized ; but he repeated that he would not abandon the bill atogether, or rather be would not abandon that part of it which was token from the defence bill, which was the only efficient part of the training bill, and which the Right Hon. Gentleman had contrived very much to disfigure. A fundamental objection which he entertained to the training bill, was, that Ir' i i I