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AGAINST THE SCOTS RECORDS BILL. / 1.- PARLIAMEA7ARr PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, APRIL 27. The Navy Compassionate List Bill went through a Committee ari was reported. Some private Bills was brought up from the Commons, by Mr. Gooch, Mr. Charles Duncla, Sir Martin Foulkes, Sir James Graham, Mr. Calcraft, and other Members, and read a first time. Mr. Owen presented some East India Accounts, and Mr. Pil !er the Third Report of the Surveyor-General of the Land Re venue, which were ordered to lie on the Table. COMMISSARY AND COMMISSARY-CLERK OF ABERDEEN Mr. CILLIT s was heard as Counsel for the Commissary and Commissary Clerk of Aherdeen against the Scots Records Bill. On the Motion of Lord Redesdale, the order for the third read ing this day was discharged, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. IMPRISONMENT FOR DEPT. The Earl of MOIRA presented the Report of the Committee on imprisonnment for debt. His Lordship observed, that the evils detailed in the Report were such, that be conceived any Ad ministration must see the necessity of applying... remedy. He moved, that the Report be printed. Lord REDESDALE did not rise to oppose the Motion, but to state, that the Report had not his concurrence; and whenever the discussion of it should come on, he should take the oppor tunity of stating his dissent to some of the positions advanced in It. The Earl of MOlfi4 contended, that the inferences drawn by the Committee were deduced from evidence, which was irrefragahle ; and be thought the Noble and Learned Lord would find it extremely difficult to disprove the existence of the evil. Lord REDESDALE,In explanation, said be did not mean to deny the existence of some evil, or the propriety of applying a remedy where such evil existed ; hut to itite bis dissun to some •f the positions advanced by the Committee. The Report was ordered to be printed. Adjourned till to-morrow (this day). A- .... i".••••••••'•.. iintant-General's (Mee, with instructions that if the 1 OAK TIMBER.—NORTHAMPTONSHIRE. papers were not there, they should be finnished by TO BE SOLD BY PRIVATE CONTRACT, the Adjutant General who acted with the army while ABOUT SIX HUNDRED OAK TREES, fit fer in Spain. As to the second objection he said, that Naval ratposesoviih their Top and Lop, (but not the bark); Sir John Moore would have•said nothing to the army •now growing in the :asi,abourhood of Oundle, and of the Navi. which he would be ashamed to shew to all the world. ribfe River Nen. TheTi'lsl'ter may be viewed, and particulars had, by applying to Mr. C. Berkeley, at Oundle.—Particulars tray These orders would throw' the clearest light on the also he had of °Mr. Pitliner, Baker's Coffee-house, I.ondon. state of *le army, at the time they were issued, and were !mist important with a view to the approaching ..__ discussion. Mr, ABERCROMBIE could not impute to the Noble Lord any intention to injure the memory of Sir John Moore ; but thought there was no foundation whatever for his objections. He then ►epeated in sub stance the observations of the last speaker, as to the facility of procuring the documents moved for, and. their importance with a view to the approaching dis cussion. Sir. John Moore never wrote or expressed any opinion of the army, which he would shrink from exposing. An idea prevailed out of the House, that there was much confusion in the retreat, and that it was like a disgraceful flight. It was of the greatest consequence to have a clear and distinct account of the real state of the case ; and these orders would shew that if the idea was well founded, the blame rested not with Sir John Moore but somewhere else. As to hurting the feelings of the army, he considered this asone of the weakest arguments that eotild be used. If the General issued proper reproofs, and if those who were the subject of these reprook circulated ca lumnies against the Commander, it was not only just but expedient that the real Allah should be knoss'n, and that the proper remedy should be applied. There never was a case where Ministers had left so much responsibility with the Commander ; but the friends of Sir John Moore were not disposed to object to that responsibility, if these orders were produced. The responsibility of marching through Portugal by land rested with Sir John Moore. It would appear that he had adopted that plan; partly with 4 view to pre pare the army to meet the enemy in the field. This succeeded so well, that when the junction was formed between the army of Portugal and that from Cerunna the former was by far in the best condition. He did not by this mean to make any invidious comparison, . The difference arose from the circumstances in which Sir John Moore was placed, of which circumstances he took advantage. It was incumbent on the Go. vernment to take every opportunity of doing justice to the memory of the Officer whom they had em ployed. Mr. 1-lORNER could scarcely believe that the Mi nisters would'persisc in opposing the motion, if they had no better arguments to produce against it. Lord CASTLEREAGH repeated that all that was material to lay a foundation for the discussion of the point to which these Orders referred, had al ready appeared in the Extract of Sir John Moore's Dispatch. The House then divided—Ayes 37-Noes 62. Majerity against the motion 25. MR. FRERE'S LETTERS.. Mr. EDEN rose to make the motion of which he had given notice. He said that on the 3d of Decem ber Mr, Frere wrote to Sir John Moore, mentioning the disposition of the people of Madrid to defend the place, and requesting Sir John Moore to delay his intended retreat. This letter he dispatched by a Frenchman, and General Moore received it on the 5111 December. He received, at the same time, a dispatch' from the Junta of Madrid, and this. was the paper of which by 1-is motion, he wished to have a copy laid before the House, or at least so much of it as iniht with safety be produced.—lt had been intimated to him by the Right Honourable Secretary (Mr. Can do;;), that Ministers had not possession of this pa per : he happened, however, to have himself a cor rect copy of it, and would, with leave of the House, :cad it as part of his speerb, which he did, and it purported to be a dispatch from the Junta of Madrid, dated ‘2‘l December, signed Castel l'ieinco and Don 'Fhomas Morla ; and stated to Sir John Moore, " that Castanos was advancing- to Madrid with an army of 23,000 men—that 10,000 men, or another army, were also on their march to Madrid—that the people were determined to defend it, and they had nothing to fear from the French ; and concluded by pressing Sir J. Moore to advance with his army to join and support that under Castanos." On that very day it was to be observed, Don Thomas Morla had an interview with the French General, the Duke of Istria, and on the very next day the French took quiet possession of Madrid. Whelller Morla acted from ignorance or treachery, he could not have employed' a better in-. strument than Mr. Frere's letter. This dispatch had been received on the same day as Mr. Frere's, and there was every reason to suppose it was intended to lure General Moore and his whole army to their ruin. That gallant General had received orders from his Maksty's Ministers to attend to the requisitions of Mr. El-ere and the Junta of Madrid ; and it was a most providential circumstance that the gallant Ge neral did not allow himself to be drawn into the snare, to which either the ignorance or credulity of Mr, Frere had rendered him liable. It appeared that Sir John Moore had attended to Mr. Frere's repre sentation ; for by part of a letter which he wrote in August, he refers to this dispatch of the Junta of Ma driti, and says, he had ordcrcd Sir David Baird to fall back upon Astorga. It was therefore of impor tance to have a copy of this dispatch. The remaining part of his motion would be for the extraordinary cor respondence between Mr. Frere and Sir John Moore. He ..eaeluded by moving for " a copy of •a letter from the Junta of Madrid, referred to in a letter of Sir John Moore - to Mr. Frere, dated the 6th Decem ber, 1808." Mr. Secretary CANNING said, he would restate what he had bdere intimated to the .Honourable Gentleman, that the paper was not. in the office, and could not therefore be produced. It seemed the pa per read by the Honourable Gentleman was a copy of !hat moved for. He did net interrupt' him in his seech, nor call him to order fur reading it, as he had been by a Right Honourable Gentleman oppo site on former occasion. lie did not mean to.com plain of what had been done, but should content himself with repeating, that it was not in his power to produce the paper moved for. As to the other part of the motion, the papers were not in his depart ment. Mr. TIERNEY said, there was a great difference between the case of the present motion and that allu ded to by the Right Honourable Gentleman. He had not called his Honourable Friend to order, be cause he had done nothing-that deserved it; and when S he called the Right Honourable Gentleman to 6rder on a former account, it was not for reading a copy of any single document, but garbled extracts of several documents which were in his exclusive possession, and which no person on his side of the House (Mr. Tierney's) had it in his power to contraaiCt or r(Fute. —He thought the House was obliged to his Honour able Friend for having brought forward the motion. Mr. Frere had either kept a bad 100k -out, or been ex tremely credulous ; and he hoped if the Right Hon. Gentleman could do it, he would produce the dis- patch in question, As the other pipers were not in his depart►nent, he should say nothing further of them the issuing of EBO,OOO in the coarse of sions, for the purpose of defraying thi transporting the Royal Family of Po: dominions in South America. NEWSPAPERS. The House having, on the motioi Ktssos, resolved into a Committee, for revising the 3,7 th Geo. 111. respecting Mr. HUSKISSON stated, that at Act was put in force, the price of tie was only 441. each, and that the a( since imposed, of IA-d. rendered it imi persons concerned in this trade to deri from it, if it were not permitted to above Gd. In consequence of this, allowed in 1797, of 12 per cent. whit nue, provided the price of the Newsp: teed Gd. From the present extravaga) terials necessary for a Newspaper, Gentleman contended that the situa: soils engaged in this trade was by no as in the year 1797. There were t, lief open, he observed, which were, e the discount altogether, and thus tnl( the paper optional, or to raise the the discount should be allowed. Th( he would submit to the House wouh bring in a Bill to alter an Act, limit: newspapers at which, discount shot He believed, from the state of the would be found necessary to raise tl In 1801, though - the duties were tic was an allowance of 41-cl per cent. He had already apprised the Hence serious advance in the articles of prii since that period At that time th, might be estimated at leorn 38s. to —at present the rate was frcm sand ; all other articles, and journ were in the same exorbitant propert rise would not diminish the number were so productive to the public 7 stamps urn newspapers for the la , duced two millions. He then prop( for a Bill to amend so much of the Mr. G. JOHNSTON said, he wa, this suggestion of his Right Hon. disposed to think it was proper to tae : entirely. For his part, he believed • newspapers were carrying on a trs that'it would tr ithorise an increase • Imeans. He argued, that the inc " stamps proved there was no necese couragernent. • Mr. HUSKISSON did not this down any article of trade to a eerta, ." be a hardship, he said, to take off s yet confine the: price of the paper to conceive that there was an increasa - Morning Papers of the metropolis. , quiry to this effect of the Commissi Lottery speculation, he wag incline I was 'mended with greater risk tiia. T . . If it was intended to bind agreement of 1797, he was of should be permitted to raise their se The CHANCELLOR of the observed, that at .the time the disc( 1 the restriction was irnprev.al. His I (Mr. Johnston) had allowed it woi when the trade became mole extee should be hound, unless there were tages to counterbalence the addition his Honourable Friend had assume( of newspapers ; but it would he only lay in the half weekly and or such as were sold not at the • These were not at the original • -.. by other papers, as they could from. those papers. Others carriei I different principle ; they wholly ladvertisements ; and from the earl they were published,. they could nei bute much to the instruction or readers, paleicularly with regard House, which frequently lested till It was not, he observed, a willing Chancellor of the Exchequer, or Sea • sury, to propose a rise in any other increase tliderevenue ; he would, by concurring in the sentiments of able Frnd. The House having resumed, tin atm leave given to bring in a bill Mr. CURWEN further postpone Bill to prevent the sale of seats in attaching penalties thereto. SALE OF OFFICES. The order of the day for going into a Committee on the Office Sale Prevention Bill being read, ,Lord FOLKSTONE said, that in consequence Of a motion which his Honourable Friend (Mr. Curnen) had given notice of, he did not mean to introduce t ae clause ince this Bill which he originally intended. Mr. lIORNER, at some length, stated the au thorities winch since the Act of Edward VI. on that subject, had all concurred on the necessity of abolish• ing the sale of places in the administration of the Lira In the reign of George 11. a Committee, at the sug gestion of Parliament itself, and, in the year 179, a Committee of Finance, recommended, he said, to the House of Commons, that those offices should not be allowed to be saleable. How it happened that :ill these authorities had been 'disregarded, and the ex ception yet existed, he could not possibly say. There was a voluminous body of suggestions on this head , which like many others on the table of that Housc , were inefficiently made. It was not his intention .it this period to introduce into the present Bill ally tieing upon the subject. In his opinion it should be made .t subject of distinct consideration. Somet!,ing migia arise out of the third report of the present finaece Committee, for at a further stage of the present ses sion, which may be favonrable to the object he had in view. It was some time since, he said, suggested that there ought to be no delay in making the &aloe' of the Puisne Judges more adequate to their situations than it was ; why this had not been carried into effete he could not imagine. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEP. knew of no subject more deserving of consideratiee than that on which the Hon. Gentleman had saoker(• But it should not be entered, upon too hastily ; :r should be attended with previous inquiry. As evee thing was to be done prospectively, it should be doe= Ttith all possi§le circumspection. He had himsc;f, ja then. Mr. Secretary CANNING in explanation said, the dispatch alluded to had been sent by Don T. Morla fr:m Madrid, from that part of the Junta left there ; but Mr. Frere had accompanied the Junta when they left Madrid,and went to de la Raina, so that he might know nothing of it. Lord HENRY PETTY could perfectly compre hend that the dispatch might be sent from Madrid, but he hardly thought the Right Hon. Secretary had attended to all that had been said by his Honourable Friend. There were two letters from Mr. Frere, and the motion went to the dispatch accompanying those letters. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, he was not in pos session of any such information as that stated by Mr. Eden. He denied expressly, that Charmilly had been sent into Spain by his recommendation. Mr. WHITBREAD said, the motion had pro duced two things which had surprised him, the speech of the Right Hon. Secretary, and to find that the Noble Lord near him was still his colleague. The Noble Lord continued one of his Majesty's`Ministerse but he should remember that the sturdy oak fre quently fell a sacrifice to the storm, while the mare pliant bulrush bent beneaea it in security. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, whatever his inten-. thin might be, the opinioneef the Hon. Gentleman would ;sever have the least weight with him. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he believed, that whatever might be the stir prize of the Honourable Gentleman opposite (Mr. Whitbread), it was confined solely to himself ; and the conduct of the whole House had evinced that they thought his Noble Friend had no intention whatever to act contrary to the privileges of the House ; and there was not, therefore, any reason, why his Noble Friend Should gratify the Honourable Gentleman by resigning. General TARLETON said that he had heard Boel naparte once called the Child and Champion of Jaco- ' bintsm, now he would call t.! , e Noble Lord the Child] wed Champion of Office. He wished to relate a story" of Colonel Charmilly which had come to his know.... ledge, and which would tend to set that Gentleman's, character in a clear point of view to the House, He had been acquainted with a Mr. Devereux, a Cathoe: lie Delegate, from where this Colonel Charmilly had:, unfairly won a sum of money. Mr. Devereux, in dignant at this treatment, came to him. (General ! Tarleton), to be the bearer of a challenge. Mr. W. STUART called the Hon. Gentleman io ' order. The SPEAKER said it was for the House to cee .1 skier, as the name had been mentioned, wheth._. should enter into the merits of a character ..hp had been introduced incidentally, and respe.tiee . whom no particular notice had been given. General TARLETON said he tie....eht it his duty to detail the anecdote, in order that the character of I Sir John Moore might be effectually cleared. motion was here read from the Chair. General TARLETON proceeded.—lt appeared that this Colonel Charmilly had been the bearer of! the dispatch to Sir J. Wore ; he therefore came be fore the }l.-.use in that kind of military diplomatic character. Now when. this Colonel Charmilly was charged with his conduct to Mr. Devereux, what did I he do ? Why, simply denied ever having played with Mr. D. at all. The business was not proceeded in, owing to the interference of a very respectable man,e the Compte de Vauderuil, who reeresented the total ruin in which it must involve Colonel Chermillye— Such was the man whcim Mr. Frere chose to euthe iise to interfere with Sir J.' Moore. Mr. YORKE said a few words ; he was totally 4naudible in the gallery.- Mr. EDEN shorty replied. Mr. WHITBREAD and., Mr. CANNING mutn ally explained ; atter which the moron Nyas put and negatived without a division. SIR 11. IDALRYNIFLt. Mr. PONSONBY said the object with which he . rose to make his present motion was, that light might be thrown un the conduct of Ministers with respect to the campaign in Spain, and that the political in formation which they received relative to the state of that country and Portugal might be before the House. •He understood that Sir H. Dalrymple had no objec-. tion that the papers, for which he was desirous, should be made public. The Member for Cambi idgeshire could correct him if be was wrong in this idea. He then moved, 46 That an humble Address be presented to his M ijesty, that there be laid before the Ho!ise copies of nine letters, with their inclosures, addressed from Sir H. Dalrymple to Lord Castlereagh, between the Ist of March and the 4th of May, 1608, and of the answers thereto.". Mr. YORKE said, that Sir Hew Dalrymple had no objection. Lord CASTLEREAGH opposed the motion as injurious to the public service: The papers moved for were more of a political than a military nature, and of course he was sure the House would not ac quiesce in the motion. He was anxious to do every credit to. Sir H. Dalrymple, but he did nut conceive that these letters were necessary for that purpose. Mr. PONSONBY replied, that to answer the Noble Lord's view, he would add to his motion, " as far as it was not detrimental to the public service."— He conceived that the political information which Ministers had was particularly necessary to be known, as upon that alone could depend the 'nature or neces sity of our assistance to Spain. Lord CASTLEREAGH explained. The motion was then negatived. GRANT TO THE 'ROYAL FAMILY OF PORTUGAL! Lord H. PETTY gave notice, that he would to morrow, as on that day the Army Extraordinaries were to be submitted to the House, call the attention of the House to the propriety of issuing money during a Session, without the previous consent of Parliament. The fait ea which his motion would be founded, was OAK TIMBI TO BE SOL ABOUT SIX I Naval putposes, •now growing in the phie River Nen. The by applying to Mr. I also he had of °Mr. Pi I ' PARLIAM • HOUS: The Navy Compat ari was reported. Some private Bill: Mr. Gooch, Mr. Cht Graham, Mr. Calcr time. Mr. Owen present !er the Third Report venue, which were c )1 COMMISSARY ANI AGAINSI Mr. CILLITS wat Commist•ary Clerk On the Motion of L inn this day was di: third time to-morrce IMP The Earl of MOI on imprisonnment evils detailed in the ministration must s moved, that the Re/ Lord REDESDA to state, that the It( the discussion of it tunity of stating hit in It. Me Earl of MO I ; by the Committee irrefragahle ; and I would find it eatren evil. Lord REDESDA I I . deny the existence remedy where such • •f the positions adv The Report was • Adjourned ti The LORD AD' to-morrow of a MI Militia Bill. Sir T. T t 1 RTO/s • an Insolvent Dttb:o; 'Fite Fourth Rept venue of the Crowe Table. Mr. Johnstone, brou .ht up an Aces land for one year, c • laid on the table. Mr. FOSTER br Beer in Ireland.—B cond time on Mont r VlVltif: S. t i r g se. the expetnocetii.f: gal notion of Mr. Hes. c, for the purpose i 7 ). cting Newspapers, tat at the time t : i i, of the Nowsp;Te rs , the additional rititv it impossible Crf tiic :0 derive any bend a LI to raise the [rice his, a discount wa- . which was to conti- ewspaper did not or- .tvagant price of ma. )er, the Right Ho r . situation ..; the per . by no rnean . s go v r ere two modes of re ore, either to take c 6 he s to leave the prix : ' i i : o m ftP :e i s thjol e i oel t e t rdf i lo t n i rlt fe g biti itsli p tte t r o a‘\ • mits e for l should price he , a r l e l ? o t n . • 1 1. the present duties, it :re double, yet then. : r ent. given on them. . , .1. ), printing and paptzt ne the price of pap er to 4Cs. toe theusan2. CS's. to 659. th:: thou- journeymen's wage., oporticn. The smlili mber ef . parers Iv:licit blic revenue that the le lat.t rear had pr;... proposed a Resolution the I;7th of the King. to was not pi ernri:d i‘‘4 Inn. Friend. 1-i? wa s to take otf the discount . :ved the Proprietors a trade so beneficiai, ease of revenue by tha increased number eeessi;y fur further ea- : think it fair to bi;:d certain price. lt would e off the discount, and ?er to 6d. He did not :rease. of stamps on t!..! olis. He had made in- mh.sioners. Except the nclined to bel:::.ve e..»ie • than tilat of a news- bind ,•. - ietorsl4 is of they .eir price. the EXCHEOT77.I',. discount 'was Honourwble friend it would be hard, that extensive the traders e were greater advae- tdditiomil price. '11;3 ssumed on the increac be found the intreasz • and weekly p. per., t the regular pfce.— mat e;rence incurred oul collect material; carried on trade on a ally depended on their e early licur at which Ild net possibly contri— or information of their Raid to debates in that !d fill such a late hour. iiling office in either the n. Secretary of the Tre;:- . other way than would uld, however, conclude is of his Right Honour. :1, the question was put, bill accordingly. s it t t p s o i n n e i n an m i t e i n c t n , d a 'FICES. ;oing into a CorcrliV.ce Bill being read, , that in consequence of le Friend (Mr. Curw,m) t mean to introduce tae originally intended. length, sta.ed the an- of Edward VI. on that the momi n n ri s e at e iri l t s ei i o t , n y a o ot rtt ; h t h b ee o s it C and, in the year 1797, ommended, he said, to HOUSE OF COMMONS. The LORD ADVOCATE for SCOTLAND pre notice for to-morrow of a Motion for leave to bring in the Scotch Local Militia Bill. Sir T. Tt i RTON gave notice of a Motion for leave to briny in an Insolvent Ettitgors' Bill for England and Wain. The Fourth Report of the Surveyon-General of the Land Re venue of the Crown was brought up, and ordered to lie on the Table. Mr. Johnstone, from the Irish Secretary of State's Office, brou ,ht up an Account the Incidents of the Post Office in Ire land for one year, coding the sth of January Last.—Ordered to be laid on the table. Mr. FOSTER bronght in a Bill to prevent the ndulteration of Beer in Ireland.—R cad a first time, and ordered to be read a se cond time on Monday, and to in painted. Mr. CANNING moved that there be laid before the House a copy of the letter from Sir John Moore to Mr. Frere, (laced De cember 16, 1808.—Ordered. Al ILITA IIY INQUIP.Y. Mr. WARDLE gave notice, tact he would call the attention of the House to that part of the Sixth Report of the Commis sioners of Military Inquiry which related tp the Accountant De partment of the War Office ; and that he would to-morrow move for some Papers, of which it was necessary the Hod se should be in possession. NOVA SCOTIA TRAM% Mr. ROSE obt.inea !rave to bring in a Bill to permit exporta tion and importation Isttwt.o. Novi Scotia and New Brunswick, in vessels of any description whatever. MARTINIQUE 111Anr• Mr, ROSF. brought in a Bill to rendor the importation of Su gar and coffee from Martiniguc and blade Galante suljet:t to Duties not paid by these articles when b( longing to thy British Plantations.—The B;11 wa: read a first time, and ordered to be printed. No particular day fixed for the second rtatiiltg. AIARTINIWE. Mr. ABERCROtTBIE moved for the production of copies of the Proclamations issued by the Commanders of his Majesty's Forces in the Island of Martinitil:e to . the inhabitance; since the capture thereof. After a shcreconyersat:on between Lord CAsT tut: Aes , Mr. ATAP.RTATT, Mr. ROSE, and Mr. N% - timiß LAU, the nw.ion was then agreed to. smrs IN DISTRESS. Mr. WHARTON moved f•): leave to bring, in a Bill to pre vent frauds omShip-owners and Underwriters, by pilots a;:d miters who got possession of property belonging to ships distress; and also for adjus:ing the terms of salvage. This was intended to extend to all the sea-•por:s in the ki:•;;dom. There Was to be a provision, that the property :11ould be lodged a: the nearest cus tom and air.: an account of it should always be given in to the Trinity House, so t':^* the Agents of Ship-owners might always know where to a;Tly.—Leave given. The Bill was broagl.t read a first, aml ordered to be read a second time this day be ' nnight, and to be printed. SIR JOHN MOORE. Mr. ABERCROMBIE rose, pursuant to notice, to move for the General Orders issued by Sir J. Moore to the army in Spain. The principal object was to en able the House to judge more impartially, than it could at present do, of the circumstances of the retreat with re , pect to which the character of the Gallant Officer had been called in question more than upon any other occasion. The orders were three--the first issued at Sahagrn ; the second at Benevento ; and the third at Astorga ; together with two other orders referred to •in these orders. The production of these was impor tant also with a view to the discussicn that was to take place on the subject of the conduct of affairs in Spain. He could not imacri s ne there would be anrobjection to the production i 4 these papers from any hwonve nience resulting fr mr their publicity, because they were in their nature ; had been read at the heads of regiments, and enterectin the orderly hooks. Some of them were in circulation ; and he was told that one -or two had been published in the News papers. Lord CASTLEREAGH had every desire to do justice to the memory of Sir John Moore, but it was not necessary with that view !o assent to the motion. He objected to it on two grounds, first, he was not certain that the execnrLive government had the means of producing the papers in question—and 2dly, it was improper in point of prudence, without some very strong and particular reiton, tft grant this species of it Cr ;unto;, ht a.lopt a information, because different tone in orders to his army. from what he would do if lie knew that such orders were to become the ., tibjec tof Parliamentary discussion. The 'foun dation of any argument as to a w Ant of discipline the army during its retreat, was laid in the extract from the last dispatch of Sir John Moore. It was not accessary to hurt the feelings of the army. The corn parative want of discipline was attributable neith er to the army nor to the Commander, but was occasioned by the peculiar circumstances in which they were placed. General TARLETON observed, that the Govern- anent had the means of producing these papers, for • .hey had only to send the order of the House to.the Ad-