Star. — London, England, 1811-01-29 00:00:00

"PP . tier r .d if liclusinktptwroileht held himself responsible for whet be.did,' - If he Aik'd in MOtinit wlti 4 iiistife from his country, which he'dioughiliesbould not. he should still find joitice is; the eye of his 10 . for what kf had done. • * - - . Earl GREY explained. Tbe precise • charge libich he had made against the. Noble and Learnetl Lord (Eldon) was respecting kis conduct in Wal l 11804. • The Noble and Learned Lord had, come /Wired of basing. been Selected • from among the c Cher Ministers of -hit Majesty ; 'but accordfpg to the practice rf . the Coristitution.. no. other person was responsible for the epplication - of the Great Seal. In ; constitutional point of view', they knew 'othing of the Committee—they 'had only tq look p those who used 144:Great Seal., iSlii that groiind; be contended, that *hey had been justified in select ng the NoltlU and . .Learned •Lord pn the WoOlsack from among ,the Ministers of his .Majesty, for.. be t. was that applied the G rea t , Seal. to the Cassini' , iOn and other Acts ! The awhif day of trial might cline, when thfY Volad have to determine whethm etch application of. the - Great Seal was right or wrong, and if it should be foprd, than by seal} ap plication of the Great Sea), the Minister had violated his - duty, his .lordship thought that that Noble'epd Learned Lord (Eldon) would owq that it was • he; and he alone , who was responsible. :Hell would again repeat what he bad befo r e sa id,thati during February, from the 12th to The 23d of April, aiiii, down to the Igth June hi that year (1)04), his Majery, as .appeared from the examination' of the rhywcians, ,bad been :attended by Dr. Simmons; and it wain evidepee that Doctor; bidaluring. that pe riod contort' over bit Majesty. It also appearid.that lef.tete of the King's mind vas y such. that 4 wip , wed to ! have such attendance. That HOOF, were: .111,4Tdie136 of the hereditary rights nf.tbot Crovin i mid or the pepple, 441 their. Lordships Weis now telle4;upon uq decide whether they would prevent a ' furtixet s osurpation of tbe Kingly authority ? He was rolticncl- to the principle .of limitation. though he, 0' ould support the Amendment. but he weuld take.' en early opportonity of oppoting the limitaticrus now P',",rogledi • • e . l:oßio CI - lANCELl.DR'explained, After iiirie observations, he observed that the two Noble liords (Grey and Moira) had expressed their "Zelirr of his responsibility upon the occasions to which they hadalluded, but neither of them had said that lie war responsihk,ls.4o. had they, there was no language which ,eottla be used in * company of Gentlemen with propriety to Ore at. denial,, but what he would adoipt• to convey a contredictiop to any such assertion? . The . quntion was then loudly., called' tor, and rangers were ordered to withdraw, vhen two divi sions took place. The first on . the amendment pro prised by Lord. GOsurille,.npoo which the uturibers were as follow f Contents - tin*ies lipn-COntents . el• Pieties - . . st—i3p Majority against the Amcpdmrnt —l7 The rev divipon wag pa the Orig inal CI 4u4e.. The limbers were • t • • 89 51 -la4 • • . . fiti Si--124 CrnaTnt4 Prr'zsre Non-Cqntenti • Pro;140 • • *sleety in !away ' • nocestpLO. On ear. re.achisission.itelwr the Bar, we fontd . Lord CLANCARTY gu his legs: he contended, ip an eftergetic Manner, against.the.clatise respecting the Household as it had originally-smod, previous to the Amendment in-the Committee, bui , thought that 'some sspecific and distinct measure should be adnpted before passing of the Bill, rather than arrangements of .that particular clepartment should be positioned to sithaerpient period. With that view he submitted' to the House two claeses, the first allowing the Prince Regent the controul over i ll that part of the House. hold which hid heretofore been thought necessary to the support of th; dignity and splendour of the kingly (Zee, and the second investing in the Queen the cen ttoul over the snhordinate officers, such as the Vice. Steward, .the Chamberlain, &c. After carte eonvernition between the Earl of Lt= wirjusoot, and.the Marquis of LAwsrie•*:ve, pn these chases, the question was pot from the Woolsack, and they were negatived without a division. .I.orcl LIVERPOOL then moved, that the amend. into& 4 . F.hich bad lbeen7m4de in the Committee in the ilauae respecting the Household, should be omitted, Intl that the eleitte,„ in its original form, should be substituted. • • .The MaiqUis.o6t i t t iONfilllßE took that oppok. trinity of de cl aring sentiments Upon the measures wl.,ich bad been proposed in consequence of the Me.. loicholy sitqation of his Majesty, To do t4is l he was principally induced by his knowledge of the dit- Ecelties to which Ireland woull be reduced while the Government was is fact, porlysed by the stepi which had brew propNeiiby.t.lF resent Ministers. The si. Illation in whith %bet einotty.was plated, weSof such a nature. that the snoslvigOrous and ef fi cient flovern., iniitt only could !lave us rota destruction. With this feeling he deemed it incumbent whim to reteegainst, ;he restrictions on the Regent, as they. equld oily tend' to deprive him of that Rower which was essentjage necessary. to the 4qe support of bi. important office, sine to the welfare nf the United Kingdom. Lord 130RINGTIKK expressed a wish that the Noble Marquis (Lansdowne) would for the resent withdraw the clause as it bad'been passed in the Com * rtiittec t Kr a l between that time ;TA the cis:4,7T dal? r prepare a elau . ihat would defien in distinct terms the . me.isiires y.h i ch, in Itis (the gable MATtinies) . . . rind, might be most axpedicni fortheadvar.tageof the" Country and the . diguity of the Prince to adopt. In his ( I.ord Boringdon's) estimation, nothi ' tg could be rote indecorous or more disrespectful than to strip the ray il a;..0„:1.3 had been proposed in iheorlgi nal clause, pc all those eiternal marlts of splendour and grandeur arhichi irt,ll ares , had . been considered ' as most con. di icitt p' its support and respectability. To plice P.:e HAnisehold upon such a, footing, he thought, iroill , l be ;}ii most anomalous proceeding that could btu be suggested. The only substitute that had bOp FroposecT,loWever, for tw it roost obanxicuts and improper course sr.is that ch ba4 bees sob - - iiftste4 by the 144)b1c Marquis ( Lanidnwee. iig 4 0 ,114 oot help bring 0044 if 'the Noble , init. l e a, t onsinued to abi,de by, thbitk plan,. t h at. it pig be la Ved Stith copshlerattleAucouvenience ; be took the ty, tbeFtfore, a( 0%4 kb 4 , 01 1 440 I. OP*- . .. • .. - • ' ' • , , • sitter the sohjeet, and to come forward with soot P specific propotition, which would prevent the unplea sant necessity of hereafter , imposing on his R4141' j-lighnsiss the odium of so ungenerous a task as that of again drawing th e *mention of Parliament to a sub ' icct 'so delicate ;nd so closely connected with the ietiiings of his Royal father. He thought the best '• and most satisEictory line to pursue would be at once to provide for the per,onal dignity and splendour of the Snvereigit and the Regent; in such a way as to be epiaducive to the respect t)1 the one, while it did not increase the pain of the other. This cculd be done Br 4 single act, and the aid of a future Session would not be required. &hook' the Nobrl -Marquis feel disinclined to adopt this suggestion, he ( Lord ,Bit ringdon) had it in contemplation to offer an amend spent, the object of which would be to leave all the :officers attending the Royal Peyton at they were dur ing his illness, and as he had already stated, to provide for the splendour and dignity of the Prince in a dis tinct manner. To make arrangements, founded on the probable recovery of I;is Majesty within twelve or eighteen months, he could not but pronounce as et tremely indeliCate, and completely at variance •with„ the general feelings of the country. The Noble Lord concluded, by e;pressing a confident hope, that the Noble Marquis would see the force of his argumenh and agree with him in the impmpriety of introducing the subject again toParliament in two or !lime munths t .l io an invidious and unbecoming manner, 'Lord MOIRA was persuaded that nothing was more foreign to the wishes of the August Personage who hail been alluded to than the assumption of the 100 Power over the Household. lit his opinion, the most simple and espedieet Mode m adopt would be, to have a department independent of the Royal Household in every particular; and to leave all the irMt. appointments as they were, in the hope of ajestfs speedy recovery. Such a proceeding, he felt convinced, would be entirely accordant with the wishes of his Royal Highness, who felt most anxi ous to avoid any proceeding .which might give pain to his Royal Parent, for whose recovery, in conjunc tion with the whole country, be entertained the most sanguine wishes. Lord BORINGDON explained. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE expressed his highest respect for the opinion ofhis Noble Friend ( Lord Boringdon), with whose suggestions, however, he re gretted he could not coincide, as he felt it would be de parting from his original plan to withdraw his amend. ment. In submitting a plan to Parliament, he deemed it necessar7, in the first instance, to lay down the groat outlines of it, Rad to proceed to the details afterwards, which was the course he had chalked out fpr himself on the present occasion, and he had no doubt that he would be able to convince his Noble Friend and the House, dint he had not set out upon a vague or as indistioct view of the subject. As to the right and principle of the Household being divid ed, he bad no hesitation in admitting, that a division , ought to take place ; but it was a question for fur ther consideration, how• that division was to be ef fected. He had no objection then to state to the House, the manner in which he conceived the division should take place, with a due regard to the.comforts as well as the dignity of Ifss Majesty, during his in. disposition. The three great establishments to which his Majcsry bad of late years been attached, and from which all his comforts and enjoyments seemed to be 'derived, Were those.of Windsor, the Queen's House, and.. Kew ; these. he did not intend to touch, nor did he intend to. interfere with the officers belong ing to them. With respect to the Great Officers ci,the.lionsebold, however; such as the HighSteyv ard, the Mister of the -Horse, &c. those he conceiv ed, ought to be devoted to the Regent,. while he would allow the Queen the controul over various suhordi nate officers,. such as the Irtrst Equerry of the Horse, and to whom lie should propose to add the Groom of rh* p t ale, as more immediately connected with his Majesty's person. This outline, he conceived, would convince the - House that he felt every disposition eo provide for the dignity and the comfort of his Ma-i ;este- It might be asked why, .if he had his plan to well arranged, he did not introduce it without further delay ? To this he would willow, that such an ar rangement would, before it could be carried into ef fect, require the adjustment of various accounts, which could only be settled after an inquiry by a, Committee. It would therefore appear evident that it! would be impossible for him to prepare his clause in such a form by to-morrow as to he carried into effect, without difficulty. He .could not agree with his No. ble Friend (Lord_)3oringdon) that any degree of odium would be affected On the august personage• alluded to, by the introduction "of the subject here.' after ) , the mote ppecially,when it was evident that any benefit which was.te bedevived fivm the arrans& meet would esseptialiY depend. upon the time whirl was taken to constilt the interest of the country, by 4; strict investigation apd a close.regard to economy...—. Upon these grounds it. was, that he felt it necessary to ground his motion npap the Clause as it then stood, to which it.waa not his ' iptention to make any alte r i f r firm, If, however, the Noble Earl ( Liverpool) should prevail, and du* a majority in favour of his Amend ment, be (the Marquis of Lansdowne) should still oppose the'origipal Clause, and support any Amend ment which his Noble griend, or any other Noble Lord, might propose. • Lord defended Lho clause as• it rirelrom the House of Commons, and declaredit to be the mop ustisfactery to thp feelings of ,the Aoyal Family. Lord GRENVILLE pbserved, that of all the plans that ~ad ever existed, that which came from d.e,Hpuse of commons was the worst. His Lots'. ship then, in an eloquent strain, argued against the whole of die measures which had keen suggested by Ministers, a nd declared, that he should not let the matter rept there, if the Amend ment o f the Noble Earl (Liverpool ) was carried, but should mo ve t h e clause of 1780, talon he should like to see who dared oPtinse it. The Hopse then divid e d ! Fur the Ametalment . 16 Vratifes . —137 Against the Atrrielment • I • I • Pruxiee . • • . s,--f VI ~.verify fo r Mi•isters —lt 410 CI. A NCA R ry then proposed an A men d ment concernir.7, the Queen's Hou s eh o ld, w hi c h was .carried in favour of .11Iinisters.by a majority of five. Upon the admission-cif strotnge.rs at use Bar, L or d GRtNVII..LE was arraigning the conduct of Mini. Mai. In not ad, tering to the e preceden t . and the exam f'"; • - • • ple rf Mr. Pitt, which they pmfessed to follow. That eminent and wise Statesman had paid all due regard to the public economy of the public .expenditure hy the conduct of Ministers, was now left without check or controul. Lord L IVE R POO I. explained. Upon the clauses respseting the Queen's Council, Lord QRENVILLE moved that the Archbishop of Armagh be eue. This was opposed by Lord LIVERPOOL, on the. ground of the inecnivenience which the local situation, and the other avocations of that Pielate,must occasion, Upon the motion being put, the numbers were { For the Motion - - - . 8L Against it p pp 85 Majority for Ministers • - —4 Lord STANHOPE, after an animated speech, in which he severely censured the conduct of Ministers throughout, hut especially in their arrangements con- ; corning the Regency. moved that the Duke of Bed ford's name be inserted among those who were appointed as the . Queen's Council. The Motion, however, was negatived without a division, Lord KING then rose, and after calling the si r tention of their Lordships to what he conceived a . flagrant abuse of office in some of the persons acting under the Royal Authority, desired that the two commissions in 1804 be read. Under those commis siont his Lordship observed, that the Noble and Leareed Lord on the Woohack, had affixed the Great Seal to no less than fifteen 'bilk, at s period I when, according to the eviilence of Doctor Heber-1 I den, solemnly given before their Lordships, his Ma jesty was incapable of exercising his regal functions. Upon that ground his Lordship moved that the name pf John Lord Eldon be withdrawn from the Council appointed to assist her Majesty. Upon this motion being read by the Loiso CHAN. Ost.Lopt, and the question put, that the name of John Lord Eldon do stand as originally, the latter was ' , agreed to, on a division, by 139 to 54. Proxies as before. Upon the return of strangers to the Bar, Lord GREY was complaining that no arguments had been. used on the part of Ministers, but that every proposi. tion was carried by mere vote. Lord LAUDERDALE then proppsed an amend. ment, which was lust without a division, when the House adjourned at Four o'clock (this morning) to Four o'slock this afternoon: HOUSE OF. COMMONS. Several private Petitions for Inclosure Bills were brought up, read. and referred. to Commlutes, Sir J. GRAHAM presented a Petition from the Parishioners of Mary-la-honne, praying leave to bring in a Bill for the tree. tion of a Church In_ that parish. Referred to a Committee, tp consider of the contents thereof. Mr. H. MARTIN moved, that the Report of tl:e Committee on Saleable Offices in Courts of Lew should be referred to the Committee on Sinecure Places..—Orditred. On the motion of Mr. ARBUTHNOT, the Chaplain of the House was ordered to preach a sermon before the House of Commons, at St. Margaret's Church, Westminster, ou Wednes day, the moth instant. The house then ai!journed to this day. • STAR. LONDON. „ TUESDAY, JANUARY 2.9, sTocics THIS DAY A I ONE O'CLOCK. Cons alp, matey, 651—fur account, 66i. Recd 664-4 per Cent. 1134; • • 5 per Cont . Navy 983 I—Ez . li la, 2a. to h. prem. Panda, !4s. YU. prem.--Omnium • " WINDSOR CASTLE. ..iiiNDART 28. " His MAsnrry is rather better to-ciay thin he was yesterday." (Signed. as usual.) " WINDSOR CASTLE, JADIUARR " His MixesTy goes on favourably." (Signed) " H. DA.LIPORD, W. HERERD&N, R. WILLIS.", The progressive amendment in his MAIRITE'S health, to which we had the satisfaction to allude - el few days agn, has not been interrupted by any relapse. On Saturday, the I,onn CHANCELLOR and Mr. na cisvm. had an audience of his•MAJEarr, which lasted upwards of an hour and a half; and they afterwards visited the Qur*n, at her apartments.—On Sunday, Earl CAmnex (the President of the CSHIREiI), arrived' at the Queen's Lodge ; and, after holding a comma ? firm with DES. REYNOLDS, DAIL!" 1"111211DE.Y, and Wiws, on the state of. his MAJESTY'S health, the result of nhich was highly satisfactory, his Lordship returned to London.-*--His MAJESTY has not walked on the Terrace for the last week, owing to the cold and damp state of the weather.. So confident are the best informed of all parties of the speedy recovery of .- the KDiCI I that a report Was last night in cistalition;at the west end of the totvp, that an plscial scaninunication siould be made on the . subject. to both Houses of Paeliatient. 4 sthis was not the case, however, althosigh the Losto Owl "c1ILLOR expressed himself very strongly in, he Hoist of Lords, on the wint of his MAJts,l7% reeoiesy, Dispatches were received this mooting from Lord Wawstrros t dated the sth and 12th. A Lisbon Mail also arrived with intelligence to the 13;11. . The reinforcementi under General I".}nous: have at length joined MAsse.va. They came by the same I road which bfasspia took, and being much superior in numbers to the force occupying'Coimbra under Colonel TitaNT, the latter was obliged to evacuate it, and to cross the Vopga towards Oporto. Colonel Wa. sox, upon the arproach of the enemy, fell back from Espenhal and crossed the Mondego, but as Ole enemy I marched from the Alva to Espenbal, he recrossed it, end on the 43th and 6th harassed them greatly..-. , They ernisisted 'of 11 hattilicms of the 91h corps. Gaanatqes corps remain at Pinbel, tile detach mint that was sent tuVastel-Btaaco rejtkined thel tniin army, Upward:9g fifty vessels Ind aTrived its tha Tagus, fro, Ameikl and England, with Corps LISIIOI , I, DAC. Si. • 14$ *ecturieKatitl! - emir lint Spain coprlrm tis 3 Pdsit which is containe4 -•-; : , . - -• • • • in an article from SeyAls—that Bonaparte wishes ;s ratite the entire of the Continent to the French Ern. pine, without taking Joseph into consideration ; aro. that he transaaita.hie orders direct to Souk. %shun; afmaparbe wens to prifer to MaSSeTI2, and to the Military GOrernors,esublished in Spain. JAL 11.—Coimbra is now said to be occupied by Drouet ; Captain # fr.ant found the enemy too far ham, and therefore evacuated it, and reheated across the Youga towards Porto. The reinforcements lately scceived by Massena are 9000 infantry, and only 300 cavalry, a harp quantity of stores, and a small park of artillery. AU the soldiers in this neighbourhood went up last week to the army all remain in :tutu quo at Santa. rem and Cartazo—General 1-till is still unwell is L. bon ; General Campbell is dead of an intermittent ; Colonel Finch (a General in the Portuguese service / died yesterday of a typhus fever ; the good Marc Lil ness of Angaja also died at her Palace at Belem tle day before yesterday we have had two or three tre. incisions days rain. Our overland dispatch arrived from Cadiz a fee days ago : the enemy hays managed measures so as to be able to throw shells from Mattagorda into that place, but they do very little damage. The enemy has detached a corps from before ca. die ; their destination, as yet, is unknown to us here . Our people bhere *re, as yet, too weak to attack tl.e remainder of the enemy. Every thing here become; snore scarce and dear ; but we hear large cargoes of wheat, &e. are daily expected, and then we may look to have it at moderate prices. Eleven American ves sels are off the harbour Laden with flonr—a most sea .sonable supply ; also 21 or `l2 transports from Eng land ; and, report adds, a packet, 1u( • the signal hAs not yet been made for one. THE ARMY. • ' Brigadier-General . LoNG, late of the .15th Light Dragoons, we have heard, is expected scion at Ports. mouth to embark for Portugal. He is 'to replace Brigadier-General Fags in the command of the bri. gade of cavalry in that country. GenerakLons was Adjutant-General to the late expedition under the Earl of CHATHAM, and is esteemed a good Officer, The reinforcements for the army of Portugal are all embarked, and expected to sail this day from Portsmouth, uit4et the VENazi.4t, Rear4dmir.ll Sir J. YoRKE. There are, besides, to embark at Cork, fuiPortu. gal, the 6th, 20th, 30th, and 76th Regiments ; and, at Plymouth, the 11th Light Dragoons, a full and very efficient Corps, The whole of these reinforce. ments are estimated at 8,000 men. Thursday e'nnight, a splendid ball was giren by Major-General P.F.:t EH, and the officers of the garrison or Musselburgh, consisting of the 42d and 91st regi. meats. and the Itenfrewghire militi.t, to theiadies ar.(l gentlemen of the town and neighbourhood. Brigadier-General Cog, who commanded the gar tison 4 Almeida, is detained st prisoner at Verdur. The French Qfficer to whom he surrendered the gar. rison, in testimony of his bravery. gave him a pass port to return to England—but this docuttent, it appears, was not respected by the trench Govern ment. The Chichester packet is arrived from the Leeward Isleads, with a Mail ; she sailed from Tartela on the 27th nit. By the accounts received, it appears that the enemy's privateers were numerous in that guay ter, although they hare no port to which they can convey their prey. The Books at LLOYD'S contained yesterday an entry, of which the following is a copy : " The Rosetta, Coca, from Goadaloope to Charleston, was taken po Me 4th uk. "Sombrero Island, and watt for ;ranee by the Duke of Daatzle privateer...of 14 giant and 100:1 men, from Name, which had also taken sod deswoyed the Industry, Mooa t, f rom St. Kitt'! to Wilmington ; and a Spanish three-masted s chooner from Cadis to Vera Cruz, with dry goods." The Captain's Journal also contains the following entry " um. llll3.—Lat. 30.4. long. 39.46. saw a ,hip a-head, firing guns, and !misting Nghts of dimes's; found bet to be the Iris, belonging to Glasgow. lef•Doso•tn muter, front Der r anis bound to Greenock. out 44 days; bad lox her rudder on tile sth log. In a gale from the N.L. part of her cargo damaged. At day light sent chi boat on board. '1 he weather being very fine, the ahip's company agreed o i stay by tbe,slup."' It appears, that besides the three French frigates which lately made their escape from L'Orient, dur ing the absence of our squadron from that part of the coast, two others sailed from Nantz on the 27th Pit. To prevent our Commanders 'tom getting any knowledge.of the_ circumstance, an embargo was :mimed oc all vewl;, until the, lit instant, it i, sup osed the whole of these frigates are bound to the Isle of France. The Two Brothers (an Americas), with cotton apt dye wood, has been taken and carried into Czlais PLYMOUTH, JANUARY t 7. • Mired, the Wenle schooner, from. Torbay; the M&!:1 schooner, from Ilfracombe; the EHza and Jane tender frwr. but.- In, with - impressed men and volunteers for the navy ; the Ma-• I duller Pullet. Captain bliss from the Brazils, Lan from fay ' mouth ; and the Chichester p acket. Caputo Row's, oho from the Brazils, het last from Falmouth. Sailed the SrAITAN frigate, for the Rachefoil station. The Princess Mary packet, Capt. Pocock, will sail te-MOrruw, if Ors wind permit!, with rapes for Malta, Sicily, and the Meditert i• nean. A packet is anchor In Cawsand hay, name not knots •:. The Princess Charlotte packet has just hove in sight from is. bon. A large frigate is also standing 10. 'l'he United Sta ,, frigate Flom, is now getting under weigh for Cowes; it ii rs mowed 'helots to receive and take bustle Mr. Pins Nx v. PORTSMOUTH, JANUARY 28. Sailed his Majesty's ship Di:twice,. for off Cherburgh, P eVi with coevoy for Cork, FAANCIIIIL, JAS/At and with transports, lice. fur Portugal and the Mediterranean ; lit SAt frigate for the Cape, and his MajetKy's ship Aralen tub the West India convoy.—Wind S. DEAL, JANUARY 28. Arrived his Majesty's ship SAN DOMINGO from Portsmouth, Active cotter from the River, and the Olympia AChts.lier trvic M'ookiden. The Kmorkaooo tales convoy for Portsint.n.Lh. LONDONs Primed sod pubafthed by Lavrt, Ken's - , at ele 57 g Orracs, We. I, Quity-dtreet, Nee Nt the Olice, Tgatrie4ar