Star. — London, England, 1816-02-13 00:00:00

- • , . . . L,' bid innekeat. . The lll 7 l 4ll Of th. tal ge ill* . --- "li it! 'ASP subject to sometuicirtalnty; F e nd Was I . _.,, .....n ft Si ni il lksalli , "kit ' ophices, might be us ' lws. - . Pr. , in MP. is m b e r eed at t h ree mullions, ..... °lea Nees in • and Customs at tit of ; • , the 'war ' ra zes of thelzeise ithsen the deductions ens. The Property T'ei w • r? 44 P- be made iroin it, he would not cakalate. Za . '' h 'T o ld six i t ifili on x ti The Lott:ry nly wo rem elel i li ng ie ,se 15 .5 1 h e n treed thousand pounds. The Ways and Means' Was an advance of six le t --it ef s th b e y t h e Bank. //:, 0 most eligible mode of rosef ion f o r t he wants , of the State wag one that . 1:41'. "ling public credit ; and, therefore, in. l'4l/.. .' nut injure P Iran of twelve millions, which in' • d o f . pro e po b si es u n g mic a HiePropos), Tax 1 oet . Id bare . essaty haJ the d no assistance given by the Bank, isti, a n lib° th i llueht it his ditty to continue a modification : t ile ° tit that - j unt as - and to apply to the Bank for the ad. .. had t n% mentioned . The Bank had agreed to "le 1 ehe " millions, which; deducting one million eep ot . ~- nee h 'six to them for Exchequer Bills, would four millions and . CriteTi i 8 • • a half . I . applicable to the. ser- kino •of the year. He had, in mak ing . this agreement, li e „ tir ,Led to recommend to Parliament the continu- poyments fo r some ,"Ithe restriction on cash n r ie- 4 ." .. ofo linger ; but no consideration for the wishes or ree l interests i of that establishment would have in- -1; • • - a - hi:to consent to such a measure, had he not a o f o pi n ion that the resumption of cash p. y eP , .. '.. ~ on the sth of July next, when the Restriction i oo - ~ . wo od ex pi r e, was impossible, and that the could suffer nothing from its continuance.— I ,,rs is necessarily a great holder of Exchequer t h;: ,'das 16 milliont were, during - the last year, be thought that it would be consistent Ring 4 its • • make the advance he had 'th ability to 4:I • ' '' WI • A further deduction might be ly specified. ! '• • , ted t o take place, as 18 millions still remained r; 'o The Chance lee of the Eichequer then 6 „,' : 4,1. ' "as. as favourable circumstance in our prospects sau - "•"' ':sl. ve er ove r the last, that the accounts have given - -m -, v'''' --- o , result, although they have been q t , lid -. - vata v y two months later in the..presen t year than lie went on to slew, that in point of r rPk e , o4. . the. lasi. ntim• y, in point of a real saving to the COUSS- ar t j ult , the arrangement with the Bank was the best that have been made for assisting the finances of the ! ' bett : ' ' ' I nstea d of coming . into the money market for Cal - h p. . bats , . which W ould certainly have depressed public it, a:i n bad put o $ the fending till two years of - i t Y ,j el elk . ' dn e wben . the tranquillity which this nation en. road and our improving resources at 'borne, s th ili it on i .:, 'a m b ake :the addition from- any debt less felt. • He "" .. d, however, abstain . present. as an opportunity would be given for °ni "' s 4t - this awn. when he brought in a bill to B: the jeussiag formed between the Bank e-nal .. the Government o iich, 'try - i n to execution . 'Th e Sig mil. teogok oas are advanced at four per cent. interest for two Le to eats, and afterwards to be continued for three years subject. however, to a renunciation of the :"4„' Irnger' eemen t, by either of the parties, on six monlhs' ice. The whole amount, then, oc the expenditure; xis , ploy., flan means provided for meeting it, were as follows: SUPPLY, 1.816. are mr - - - - £ 9 300 .' 40 'uinraissarlat . - - 680,000 'e '•• •Arrado - - - - 259013 d I :tramlines • - - 2,000,404 to ---12,226,000 1: a st 7 . • P . 7,000,0 1. 0 I (ananCe . . - . re rOO,OOO - a. P•10( 14 1 . C.. • Dak . - . - 1,000,0'..0 le ...--...—...21,7311,000 *met to tie Dank . • 3,501,0:in ~_' • - Mt interest - - 4,0.0,000 7 a ir ' • Dodos Zulu qtter Mk - 260,200 art, ~. . • , . . . 900,014/ 1 , .------ 4;550,000 ice. ....-.--- * . $9,9911,000 iast : . Mak Proportion ..' - 2,9 1 02 354 :Ora. • 4•1•011...M11••=0 i. . • 4126,487,646 ..-±' ha . • WAsza. AND It BA till. . to is, • • °tenants, after l discharging Debz isa ii ex Pet nsub and America - X 5,000,000 CousolidatLd Fund . . 2,500,000 33 itil0 old MA - - . 2.000,000 giss, ants and L%cier (War Taaeg) • 6,(0),M 3 4 ad . rty fag . '• . . G r 3i4J.ooo tat 31. try - . . . a....,0' u iliswance - . 6,000.1,UP % krW aonocir sr Re concluded by observing, that he twi.q..d nut used le understood as settling the p...,,ce establishment.' Web trould be premature for him, or even I. 4* 1•41-lia- eavA .t, to decide whet that should 'e.:: wit auy degree Wing precision ; but he might assure tn.! Hor=se :hat the we • utivt tumid aiwarfa he wild:,: to CO-c4peraie WWI US - legislative in taking those rneacures which Otoisid lan once provide for the dignity and security of the es.- -lire, and' conduce to public economy. He could )10 t help congratulaheg the House, nettwithstanding ;est , gloomy views of some, on that disclosure of the 4i 'wishing onditi. n of our finances which he had Pt • ' enabled to make to.night. He hoped that fur- arrs . reductiohs iii the public expenditure might after- , ice lois be made, and that , eir public credit, supported la ' fthe firmness and the wisdom nf the legislature,. 0.-• culii improve in a rapid and powerful manner, and :hill •ty us out of all our temporary embirrassments. by 3 lit Right Hun. Gentleman then moved the genolu- ° ter, providing let the payment of Exchequer Bills, 2 . 1 . 221It o" e d upon the aids of tht pie:ent year. Mr. PONSON BY rose (he said) not fur the poi. Ist; "se of entering at length into the statement of the its • ... hi Hon. Gentleman. There were some points; ' a.: ika . ever , which he could not surer to pass without a ids observations. The first related to-the enorrnons pt lie.ley establishment of the country. He called at. enormous, as on no view of our situation, abroad .at hrme, (lid lie see any thing to justify it. He . ' ~ de thi s remar k b ecause the Right Hors . Gentleman ' le;: much of his desire to participate in measures 1 ' 1 ec:twiny, and beca use t h e r e was no h ea d un d er ..ch so much reduetion of expenditure could be d *" 1 ", as in that military establishnient. The nest pine tin uhich he should observe, was the proposal of rin g on foot for two years, the Property Tax: He ' _Melted against one shilling bei ng raise d i n the cape of t!ie Property Tax.— (Hier, hear+, Ice r.)--, I • !At not the Honse,'let not the country suffer them- !eives to be cajoled. If Parliament coutinued the lax, never wi.uld they sec prop,..r retrenchment On any oi.ject. The only way of obtaining that retrainch• niece, was to deny the impost. The flint point vr•as i the agreement which theltight Honourable Gentle • - , * j ai' said he h a d conc l u d e d with the li el Ilk He had I !in . dud to the papers as being on th e ta bl e ; t h at ri l b t be the cue, but aft% what had passed in the • • . . fearr 4, iris O u t havi venteeell to malavanp agmeinent. with elle nk.withotit inking the sense of Haase. If be hesteonclucte4 that arrangement, he must Agatha he differed sonsi,eompletely . With him meet!pg ite merits. He Considered it as most dared tan* for the public, Thenswas another, puirtt: ihic a l i n:lsPfn Niro for had completely underitioo4. , . The Right HOl4 Gentlentan had said, that the best way of relievkng the distress of agriculturalists would be by OPPorting the public, credi4 that to attain dm end he should abatain from all loins, and that' be had conceived a. scheme which should have for .object to enable fartners to receive certain relief through the accustomed chant*, throne, which they had obtained assistance. .He had then alluded to . COUOLTY Banks, as having yielded that assistance.... Was it then intended that Country 'Banks should re (alive a stop from the Treasury, for the purpose Of affording relief ?—( No, from Me Treaters Beech.)—•• Or was it thought that because no' loan was to be taken, Country Bankers would have more money in their hands with which to relieve farmers ? But that would not be sufficient; it WAS the value of ,the far mer's property that ought to be augmented, in order topitable them to procure relief. For by what magic sould farmers raise on their property, if it remained in the same depreciated state, a greater cumin future than in the past. It was the. value of. their property, therefore, which it was important to increase, before such a source of relief could be opened. The Right Honoorable Gentleman. also professed to entertain most economical views he hoped it xas theca's.. But he relied only on the firmness of the .}louse a the spirit of the periple far compelling retrenchment. Should the Hume nut deny the means of extended expenditure, the people mid the country would cote. ceive that they were no longer represented, or that their constituents had deserted their duty, Mr. BROUGHANI did nor. intend to go mnclj farther than his Right Honourable Friend. es 11*i should have another occasion of discussing the sub ject. He felt himself called Roots, however, to fol ios* the'Cbencellor of ape Excheauer through some of his details, partly to enter his protest against some of the. measures proposed, with-nt which Goetrn went might p rnc ?ed to CR: r y thorn into - effect, nod partly to en.rble the Right Ilonourat,le G-ntlerrt tn to go more at large into the ex i danations which, with his usual candour, he had professed himself ready to give.. The first subject, and which WAS indeed up permost in the minis of all, was the distress which now existed throughuut the country —(Near, hear.)—. When he should remind the Right Honourable Gen. tleamn of the picture preseLted in the Prince Re. gent's speech, be would no doubt share a- feeling of Oiappointment, after examining the state f things, at finding it less flourishing thee it was represented. 'Those distresses were now acknowledged, for was not his very first p an inquiry, how those great distresses could obtain-relief ? Toe. Right lioneur. able Gentleman bad alluded to a remark which he (Mr. Brougham) had lately made on the situation of agriculturists, but lie had ne cted o:hcr amide. rations which he hid then setoorittcd, acid which -h: would now briefly repeat, b-.:c.risse he hoped the can. dour of that Right Hon.*Gentlenein would lead tarn to consider Ahem more deeply. lie did not know why he rejected leis prop's .1 respecting the limey lases. Was it because the: d stresses or the costal'' , re.. ea., of s permarientiatiire 133 it Was beeatoe they were not permanent ;*breaue.e. when things were subsiding fromm, a state . ef 'tear to a state c l peace, and during the moment of change great clistresses might press upon the community, that he had suggested the propriety of adopting wiertever welsid afford facili ties to borrowing on -mortgages, in order to enable the farmer to hold out till the hour of dilfieoltY was past, • Thai.would indeed prove a permanent relief to the landed intereW It would be almost neeiless ler him to say that the'restriction which the law im- poses OR borrowing on mortgages at a higher rate, than 5 per . cent. operated as a prohibiting). He would prove it- by a single instance. Those Liklie ;trance Soci,r.ies, which, being wealthy bodies, were in the habit of supplying loans, not only to other bp, dies, but to i3:l:viduals, were the mast likely, as they Sme the n:nst abh, et affording relief to LIMNS at lowest inter eat. • put how did they at present their :pit.ll? In no outi4stanee to the amount 01 a single shilime on mortgage security, This was not the case hernerly—he spoke before a Gentle. man who ceuld contradict him if he were incorrect. They did not lend their capital on mortgage in. terest, except in 'extraordinary cases, when they ob tamed a bonus for doing so,. Ilut then parties had recce'. se to raising money by annuity, and, instead l itif 10 or 20 per cent. were content to pay 8 per cent. But then it was required that their life should be insured, which formed an addition of 2 per cent. tusking the whale interest 10, and sometimes in the criuntry 15 per cent. The usury laws were the cause, 4nd the oole cane, why money could o ot be '110; rowed at 5 per cent. and only obtained at 10, 12, Or even 15 per cent. But the Chancellor of the Ex chequer would not alter them,. and said that he should prOvide relief some other way, and how 1 He 'would net interfere with ',the money market,' but he srfould'allow 14 / millions of the Sinking Pond to go to market, and redeem stock, which, placed in the hands of tie Commis:meets, would, he expected, 'ul timately find its way to relieve the distresses of the farmers Supposing, the usury laws retnAitted as 'they new were, what reason, what tier had ho to expect that those IS or 'l4- ralions would go out in loans at 5 per„cent. to individuals? To a- certain trent. masses . thus created might bring relief to the landed interest—but could any ene, Sho knew the dithetilty orgetting one 'sixpence out of those bodies on mortgage security, imagine that this plan would at truce bring down - the interest from 10, Vond 15,. to 5 per cent ? Its only operation would be to induce those who pet the money into their pockets, to lend it out in AprilliiieS at 10 per cent.- Be therefore en. treated the Right.Honotitable,Gentlenson not to pro-, teed oft such a vain hope and speculation as this, belt to abandon his plan, andintroduce a MOM.% which all men agreed woad be • perkolr ale, and Would adord the degree of relief sought, it world.be with (he same view that hg, should. throe, nut some ohm, vitions on other matter: The' Riehe Gent* man bad said nothing DE the obviate mew* of **r lieving landed proprietors He. kW' not ;lauded to the restrietimas on the exprxtatiun of "root, it was iurmerly punished with death, and wee still tinted As leldah and the Autos ,14 law 1114 S ibat the cow • • itettiee inlgia . t bey else*. -But arlay eat tended proprietor that relief whichthe foreie 50 1 4 1 Might afford him ? He had also Walla .dist . great assistance Might he derived from. a Oto4ift .of more equal levying the poors' rates.. Tbehurdien of re naming the poor. now fell exclusively upoi .tind., ,proprietors, contrary to The spirit and letter...if tile. statnte. No levy was made on tuanaificttirdi mirclianta, but on the,larldholderz. SupPos4 a .n l 4 4: t oufacturer's boost, full of spinning machinery, and yielding thousands normally to its possessor, this house would only be charged at the rate of sedoo a-year, while his nett neighbour ' because a landhol der, would be charged on £20,000 a-yeal., the whole produce cf his estate Yet the manufacturer was not only the manufacturer of wealth for himself) but of paupers for the community, and the poors' rates Were applied, not only to the reli4 of the poor, but to the cheapening of labour. It world, in fact, re quire something approaching to the Pro s )erty Tar, to effect a fair assessment Icr all. He threw, out these hints in the confident expectation that they would not be entirely neglected .-(Near, hair) The nett point that. he should consider would be the etpences of the military establ6h tn. nt novi proposed. He had participated in the regret and the itlclignati of his Right Honourable Friend at hearing Olt called a peace establishment, which, ,at anyouther period, would have been considered a now grkv.)us war ea, tablishrucnt. After strewing that 11.9,0:.:0 :nen would be necessary for the service of the year, the Chan cello, of the Exchequer had stated that there were 40 or 50 00 ti re be:Arles, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER' explained, that besiJes the 10,000 men, fornong nolitary force eniploya in all a ; iiiskvs:essione r there weft linty thousand more is a course. of teat. 601 4 tir whom it tv,io:d lie at-testacy to provide Mud that_reduction was al,:omplislied. Mr. BItOUGHAM i4ii, that about' 30 tr.illiens were asked fur the whole empire, :tee toe millions for England alone. A relectioa of . 10,000 s tilers Via* in contetnpletion, and eiking- out the 4.);00e hew ineatiOne4s what pro Feet wee there for the coire y that next year the expenditure weule be tee:we:db.:- low. 25 millions lie could - net see aey ether head of expense likely to come 41.en,_ for all the items con-ested 69f aii iirrnensa t*ii!nrr ez.! 41)1 , 4hrornt-... (Hear, Leor—o.s the Oppedtien'siec), f t'ere..t Bii. Wit) and leer colonies, weice had gr., I ) from war tar war. However good, each peace. lea.: 41u-eased our burden, and -we were nuw saddled an army of I50,0(X) men t .'lo,ote) of these :he Slinist tilted bound the House by Treaty. in case it should ratify their conventiens, to meintaii in Fraece ; 20,000 more were to be kept in Lelia. But es it, Was SAW MI, wire paid for by the Lest-India Company, lie found' by the Right Honourable Gentleman's 021) suite. ment, that this was not the case, sia,:e money was vs ! be paid to the Eest•l Cempeey nn account tsf ; the war. Ll..ven thousand men were to be main tained in the Mediterranean. lo heter times. in times of greater financial prosperity, and still more fevour able to the Constitution, tl a whole - army of the na. tiva did not exceed ier ;1000 men, OA of that it had grown tn la 1,000 nieu, and for the Mediterra keen alone 11,000 were required 1 We were to keep in that see, not only Gibraitar, which might be . a va -1414100 30Wet of the Crown, but M ilt Yet we were sw lougeteed that we should retain drat Wend to Acetate Egypt, and *at w .enure -ifeweetereeTtat be, cruse liseie would be in danger. t why keep the lonian Islends ? They were fertile in patronage, and he believed they produced currants too. y these, Additrals, Governors, commanders, in fast, the whole appa.-itu. patronage would be wanted -- The troupe in. tle. ;Vest behee qui to be 7)(10, now they wore to eeiount to ;$,OOO, but a was thought to be a triumphant answer, when it was slid that we had many mere island,. at present. He reteuld tii e the liberty of asking why we, tinder the present cite emnstances, had so marry mote? We had not been able to keep Java, which it was necessary to teeter:. to row good friend the King o f Holland, and which sees poisonous to , oer troops e but we' had kept St. Lucie, which was equally bad. but it ovoid be said mat it was a good widen slid 4.iinprtgoce to our CrlliZrff and the security of Nu West India posses. sions. Yet without any dread of France, in case of 'new Weir, why no: trust our navy •to do .again . what they hove done ? Were war to begie agein, he firmly believed that our baying those colonies, and the id, bailee of IfoUend, would not cause the reduction of a single frigate in our naval establishment. We bad never kept these islands before,' and yet we had thooght ourselves sale enough after former treaties of - peece. Why were they now" retained ? He really' believed, because h was good for a small number of merchants, who, during the war, had vested therl capital in loam to obtain the trade of theme 'places, and Who could not bear to ,gire them up to their lawful proprietors, because • the consignments. Ittust then be resigned to foreign merchants. For this that were retained by. this country, which not only 41. not went them, but would be .better without thedu , for it was glutted whit their produce. But tint wits of no inominit, more sugar, more co ff ee, thottgli OUT weeeheasge overdewed, for each of those island; bad its regular establishment for patptnage, and'wes ifL meet as. rich in it se an lonian Isle, end afforde4 pretext for keeping up a large military establishment, : He now found tbet 25,000 men would be uccifisityr for Ireland. He was glad to hoar at last the Ortifie of our sister isle i he had leered Abet he should hue I%!sted tbectegh the Whole Session Witbotte bearing it pronouhced. )Slo untie( whoever of it had hero lett% in the Prince Regent's Speech, Nit he now heard of it with a vengeatice-25,000 nun wanted 4 So that irelead required a military estalslisbaxatt larger then England, Scotland, and the isles of Jersey and Guernsey, And this was during peace, when there was not a chance of . aggrestion, when the disaffected in 4eletad could not hope for . assistance from ally potser. Could there be no means of redircing a force which wits merely implored to keep the people of that (Noun down i for it was idle .to • suppose that if Ireland were tike England, the seat .of rest anti* cunt/ l oath a military establishsoeni would be requi site. Heitteretore hoped, that Me situation of that 1444 Would induce the Right-lioaotwable Gentle man to consider attentively the scutimaus which his Noble Colleague was known to profess, end the pro priety of &tug day emancipation so long withal. den. In the sadden reed prodigious change which had 'mewled, o=4 state of general war to a time of F0i9.644 raft, we •wilts go thin* of Out great re. Hilineitihertit dint Stiftht he e% 4iftrismte th WWI' star* of the Government. Every man must hare is hi* Mind howUnnecessai y it is that in time of profottnel .ftette we sheield• Ifie•burthened with so many Louth of the Aelmiralty s :If seven tordennly were n e er * . ,savy for t‘e dun's/Willa ..ofllce in. the times whelk the ots (ler nary was .emplieyed in getiie tat: vice, sureiy four Were neva fidlY adequate, When we bed only two huncired vessels •he tonitttitson. rEirr :;i § own p in he elleuld trot lid disposed hi Votes, lifts till Nioisters would fay what reason existed why Loird.Melvi 10,m:0 two or three l o os& to assist him; might not do ell the business that would in freerre re main upon weir handr. it such a nuirgeo tf..:l-e not' competent now, seven roust have beet a most inedfoo quate proportion indeed in time of war, when. the number of ships itt commission being ten tittles as great _as at present, it was reas nab'e to suppose diet ten times as Rlany Lorde.end Secretaries weriertqiii. site as now. He truoed this night would not pus without Hon. Baronet opposite-being called noon • to chord seine means for understanding le v it is that these seven Lord; have sUr vived the letteuet !era might to hive occupied seventy. The country tee elit to be satisfied by eeeinq an inquiry made into; Oeta after item befere the House were called epon to vote single shilling. Reopetting the Peace reetablishment, wZiere were the reasents for its enorino , :s arneont t „In the whale of our establishment aneointed to little more than five millions. How then (lid it hap , pee, that new we focird ourselves in a state of perfect tranquillity —now . that the power of France was re. dueed and brok-n, while we were told that offer power eirentinott untoueLed—how was it, that when-e,:ults. ;ion was manilcsted st :lie:ng . its scrte of more pro: . ound peace and tranquillity even than we were a'ter tte peace of - Utrecht, the result should be, that instead of an establishment airtoinitin3 to five mil eicrue we should h; told that it-was neceetety to keep .up one at an merest of from twenty-5 ve to 50 t The Right Honourable Gontlethan had de need that paper-money aas - depreci.ited he would fake him at his:1,100 ; he small also. greet him that gear' thin bad wily doubled and trebled in value during the weir; stqlie would maintem that good reason ought to be. s'ievre, why, az this !twee:fed thlue e ttee peace establishment ought to ccet pulse than ten thißilos. The enormous expenditure given nit aliected.eyery mot in the country; and every men must demand to be satisfied this such an 'estehlish. ' meat ought hot to be kept up, ualess Ministers can give a triunap!iett ensue., to all the objections that ere urged agz . zo.,;t it. As to the Ways and Wens, ail the-relief.thet •the Right Hpo. Gentkmau had :proposed to the agricultural interest .wes the taking off about a million e year. The tax on husbeedry horses was One nt whole amount, perhaps , toe smallest that eeisted,• it ought to be taken off ; but to My that ibis weuld operate as any relief.to the 1.0'41101.1er% was a mere jape, .Ey the repeal of the lea,lier tax, which, when. it tray proposed in that House, Ito rememeored, .was lost "by a majority of one, sonic real -the n small relief wou:d he expe rienced by the farmer; aellte weuld venture to say, that i% a.iy Honourable Member were again to pro pose it at this time, the Ceanceller of the k:echequer vouid not he able to rasi,t its ebolitien. The war • Malt Tax was eserious and crying evil! it Affected the. barley grower to the cetera almost of anniltd ► • tion, while it went direct!; against the very meet eel Jriuti eye the latouseiog classes -of the people. Last of all carpe the obnoxious Income Tax, which, even in the way it was proposed to be continued, teso ..by iteeinquieituriel made ot execetion, most oppre.siee. and injerious, and coild never produce the benviite expected from it, The case with which it had t,een hitherto mired, might spoil the most economical Mi. eigers, even those who reight be more economical Oran the present. Bat thoegfi we Were told that, in stead of ti whole, we were only to pey Leif of ft, ire w say to the gi . ;;lit Bon. Gentlemen, that this fax never would be passed by Per-hem:no. . Every usae in the country would %Aire by voice against it ; Petitions would pour in open tae House from every pert of the kingdom, and he had no doubt e4itt io a few weeks the Right Hon. Gentleman would co:.te dewti and $ that instead of continuing it, be teri o 4 talk i; preferable to tike a small. Loan, 'Diem was title cf our old and ftithful Alliee, she wes called, who he thetrOtt it. high time should be called on to assist us iii our difficulties, by paying us tome small portion of what was our right.— He meant Ausitia. ritis Power had obtained great advantages by the peace ; she had been enabled to maintain her armies abroad inflater . conntries, and thus to repay herself for a part . of the expettces correct by the war, Sha had gained a great part of Italy, and every beoy who knew the nature of an Austrian army, must be awes' what benefits ;be de. rived from quartering her troops in that 6ne cpuntry. Why, thee, d:d not this faithful Ally of ours come forwerd add repay us be money we had lent her 20 years ago t We had beard muchof the good faith • and honour of thi s Ally, though he recollected that :the good faith on her part only lasted .* year or two after-the money was obtained, before it was broken, We heel leht her seven millions almost twenty yeats ago, and she had not only returned none or ebe co. pita!, but bad not paid any of theeinterest. • If : she Fquld not refuted the principal, she ought WM, rate p 3 lip called on for the payment of the interest; :the sue) at four or five millions only of this interest would be highly acceptable to the country, and be - a -most agreeable and oppertune acsistance to Ministers in tkeirpreseot eetigencies; it would eoable G o v er n ment tb give up the Woe Melt Tax, tutd the ruiners' ,Ploperty Tax. But. no sec!) etatement w as to b e .lOund ha the Budget, and he would venture to say, that pet attempt w sekl be teade,don of the H ouse ro detuonithis tii butt of justice. He begged pir for taking qp ix, much of their time, but be could nor conceive that he should discharge his ditty, if he did not notice those points whit!) ought to attract the attention of every thinking man, in order that some thing' by dope for the_genteral relief of the • country. Mr. ItO.SE could see no reason. to repeal the @fist ing usury laws, as such repeal was never proposed by any one beforsi—i Neer, from the Oppositioa Benches)—tn times Of moiler diffispiti e I. Wi t h regard to poor rates, it was useless to; inveigh generally against them, hs they had been so often already in quired into whiff:lo(4lfeet. lie contended- that bey were of service In a certain degree to okeeagrioyttnrist, as they tended . S 0 diminish the price of Jaboui. As to tithes, therWirt ofd cnasidered by ibs win;