Star. — London, England, 1804-03-20 00:00:00

I' Why, finely, to the proprietot. this reafonAle plan, bewever, is departed from in the prefect iw • Rance. The compenfation is taken away from the party who has a right to it. and is bellowed on suer tier, as a rerompence and inducement to him to defers his mallet's emplorrnent. The Hon. Gentle. man again alluded to the little progrefs that had been Made in the defenfive fyßem during the prefent fel fion, and declared his conviltion that he would not at be wrong in erting that three-fourths of the Vo. lenteers who had been embodied at an early period, bad never yet drawn a trigger. If no plan to expe dite the aiming and training of the Volunteers could be deviled, he wai alltamed to think what opinion their conßitucats mull entertain of the deliberationi bf that Houfe, marked as the prefent Bill wart with imminent fymptoms of imbecility and weakitefs. ne public had aright to tepee, if Gentlemen relied Mwlseie defence ott a Volunteer Force. that they ould have adopted tome lisps to render it as efficient polfible. They were entitled, at fo awful a crifis, when armaments of an unparalleled and gigantic na ture, and not only great bust immediate. were to be bppeied, to eve& Ibmething like a proportionate defence. Like the poet. who lamented that in pro krortion to the &talkers of our liapport, the evils which we bad to encounter were great he trembled at the danger to which we were expodd. He trem bled the lefs, however, becauGs be knew the fpirit of 'the Volunteers. They bad battled and &irmilhed With Miniliers, poll after prin. They had driven dm from trench to trench. and were now come to mar them in their left war dyke. He was happy to think that the fpirit of the country and of the Vo• lunteers would rife fuperior, not to the attempts of our enemies alone, but. a bat t e thought a more ar duous talk, &perky to the imbecility of &gasifiers. (Mr. Fes war incase, jailer:pa "rid kem Iso mfrs.) The ATTORNEY GENERAL could we at all Ate that say *rimiest had been adduced to dew that the re centralising of the Bill would be attend ed with the Intalkli advantage. it wes emulated by the Honourable Gentleman who beggelted the ae• ceffity of the recommitment, that a great d ea l t oo mach time had been already (peat on the Bin yet with this admiffion. the great ar ha a. IP"' ed to have in view was, that Bid lhoot Qiil longer occspy the attention of the Honk and all this for the profeffed parpofe of wasting the chat rafter of ?adieux/it from being &grnded. A great deal had been raid :Omit the recent delatiee 'late of one military elabliffirestot, but liter his own pan 1m could not fee how the reeonsatitman had any thing at all to do with this bufinefe- Could any thing etionseed with the Dill he dale to hieratic our military oflablithinent ? Could going again into the Committee MI up any del:keens is the Army of Referee ? No man could fetiosly arse &eh an opi nion. The Bill was defigned to et c in and meted what at prefent appeared defedive is the Vniontest • Byflein ; but let it be dint back as often rut Gentle men pleaded to a Committee, it mutt llill won out of the Committee in its original foini—of a Bill for the better regulation of the Volunteer Elablilluwents On the one fide of the Houle it was urged that the Bill contained every provilion which w as ca l cu l a t e d to riled its tibial. If on the other fide it was argued that there were other provifitas wanting to complete the efficiency of the Bull, it was then for thole who held this opinion to have, on former occafitnss, ex predfa their fentiments in the Committee. The Bill had alteady pact through three Committees, and it was rather finder that sone of thole Gentlemen who now to graciontly fn Bed complacence on each other in the profped ofbasing the Bill recommitted, had ever thought of presiondly introdu:ing their' amendments. He begged leave to know what realm there was to Cipeit in another Committee fuggeftions which had n• t been Inotight ((owe. d formerly, and miles filch en cep:Elation was held out to the Knife be could not fee why the Report would r.ot afford fufficient room for the reception of leach amendments as appeared to be neceffaty. The Hono u r a ble G en .' denial, who (poke 101 l had Conte down to the Houfe with the intention of giving his decided oppolition to the Bili, but certain eircumilances had fence or cuffed to alter his determination, and he was now contented with infilling on its recommitment. What thefe ciicumfiances were he could not pretend to de termine, for he could hardly imagine that they erode out of any thing which had taken place on the pre fent occaiion. Was it the clank which referred to the tight of Volunteers to resign, connefted with the, corps which had engaged to terve during the whole war, or the claufe as the Bill now hood. which di retied that on the appeaiance of an enemy off the Ma of ',eland, the Iroltinteers &ild be placed on permanent duty ? If either of thefe dames had been to be continued in the Bill, nr even if a doubt bad been retained as to the espedicncv of continuing the clanks, there might have been Come grctund for go ing again into the Committee. When, however, the point was given up in both cafes, he was Ace milted to hear the Honourable Gentleman Wilting on tie recommitment of the Bill. His Right Ho. nourable Friend (Mr. Yorke) near him had made the conceffion on this fiihjea in the moll handfome manna, and though lie liimfeif thought that it would be infinitely better to allow the Bill to pafs as It now lions!, fit far as theft daisies were concerned, be would not at prefcnt go into any lognment on the U t ica. As to the power of rstignation, he did not mean now to detain the attenti•in of the Houle. Thi. was a fubjed which, recoil. Cling the opinion be had given, he could not advert to without pain. H- begged leave, however, to lay, that the oilier. sations of his Honourable and Learned Friend this corning fufficiently proved that this opinion of his, st inch he admitted to he erroneous, was not taken tip in light grounds. His Honourable and Learned Fi , ,nd allowed with him, that Volunteers were on. der a powerful obligation of honour and morality, and it he in piving his opinion As to the right of re• fignetion, had rallied the rti atter too far, his condutt we, not without matetial ciicurriffances of explatia. bon. He begged the Houfe to confider the opinion given in the Court of King's Bench was on a Specific cafe. The Court had not taken lip the matter ge netelly, hat had ceutioully confined their decilion to the ritecife matter referred to their confideration. If the qiielsion of refignation had been brought before N cm on the around% furniffsed by the thole in s i tter. bon, he was not convinced that their decifion would not hive hem very different in its completion. lie, en th e whole, f e w nothing which &mild induce the) kivige not to enter sea the cunfaderatioo of the Re• port noOr. and tholeu that witaietii improvelsests were intended could in this way be equeny well re ceived. 1)r. LAWRENCE, in a nowt (peach, fapported the motion for the recommitment. His principal melon for this was, that a somber of the clanks not in the Bill were introduced on a day (Saturday) when there was a very thin attendance of Members. The Bill was now Peen for the time as a whole, (ince it had laft pall the Committee, and it appeared to him highly proper that it Ilsonld be now recom mitted, to give an opportunity for full and for dif culilon of this very towelling fubjea. The Hon. and Learned Member exprefled his decided difapproba tion of the claufes as they now Rind in the Bill, with refpea to the right of difmilfal, and the eompenfa tion to he given to lervasts and apprentices. Mini. hem in his opinion, bad done nothing to improve the Volnateer alarm. It was merely a republication of the Volunteer Syllem laid down by the late Mioillers. The Attorney General and Dr. Lawrence feve rally trephined. Sir JOHN WROTTESLEY was for the recom mitment. He intimated a Wink to move for the intro. dutlion of a claufe into the Bill, for the better regu lation of the number of days allotted to drill in corps in the country. He adverted to the number of volun. tears in the metropolis and its vicinity : their num bers, he underßood, were nearly 3a.000, but out of this number, if he was rightly sof , rmed, nearly one half had engaged only to extend their fervieet to the vicinity of the capital, even in cafe of invafion. It was has objea that a claufe Gould be introduced, taking away the exemptions from thole whole Cer vices were thus limited. Mr. Alderman COMBE wilted to explain to the Hon. Baronet who had just fat down, the-nature of the fer vice of that part of the Volunteer force in and about the metropolis. which the city of London had (croaked, moms ing to about a a,OOO men It had been underliond as the undoubted prerogative of the Como, that in cafe of aanal invafinn. or the appear ante of the enemy upon the coafi, his Majefty had the rieht to call forth the Cervices of every man in the kingdom. The Magill ates of the City adopting that principle, had recommended it to their fellow Citizens to affociate themfelves for the purpofe of leaf ning the military exercife, and affiliing the Civil Power in cue of tumult or infurret ion. thinking it would he a mockery to make an offer of Cervices which, it a fit feafins. his Mainly amid command ; and he was cirri' e lure. that in tM whole number, there was no. ..ite man who did not confider himfelt liable, in exec at invafirao, so be pot under the command of a Gene al °Seer s and marched to any part of the kingdom.— There was eme other loaner refpeaing the Volutes I of the City, which he wilbed to flute to the Howe, which W‘b this, that no one could doubt that their offers of ferries erok from a gore patriotic public fpirit ' bust*, as by their chatter,, they wire ex emptfroor thole military duties to which ether t•arts of England are liable, they had no occalion to leek refu p from the ballots Mr. PITT owned that the Bill. as it at prefent flood, did not by any means come tip to the fair ex. palatial's which the Houk and the public entertained no the esbjea I and that the hope which he had Formed bad - been materially difappoinred. The only point which had been gained by the Bill, was the claufe by which encouragement was held out to Volunteers to enter on permanent pay, and contem plating a danger, the approach of which might be apprehended to be at hand, this was certainly an ad. vantageous arrangement. He was afraid, however, that even this improvement was not tarried Co far u its vail utility and importance required. There was one other dilute which, quite fimple in its confirue lion, he likewtfe viewed to be highly important : he meant to anode to the claufe allowing Commanding °Seers the power of erred. in cafes of rrifbehaviour at molter anal drill. • Having Paid this. he had to se post that the Bill came very far lbort of what he conceived adequate to the ei•cionliances of the coon. try ; anxious, however, as be was for the perfeelion of the Volunteer System, be did not think that any important objefl would be gained by the recommit. tern of the Bill. It occurred to him, that any amendments to be introduced might be received on the confideration of the Report, and therefore he felt it his duty to °plank the motion. Mr. SHERIDAN was of opinion that whatever idea was entertained of the military fyftean of the country, this wasnot the moment for fuch a dikulGon. If gentlemen thought thisa matter fit for inquiry. they might move for a Committee on the fubjea,and the dif cuifion might regularly take place. At prefent the question was extremely fimple. It was merely whe ther certain amendments, the propriety of which was not denied even by the framers of the Bill. Mould be introduced on the Reports in a new Committee for that fpecific purple. For fosse time pall he had, confidently with a principle which three years ago he had dated in that Honfe, felt it his duty to abfent himfelf from his attendance in Parliament, and he had confequently not been prefent at the different dikuiSons which had taken place on the previous Rages of the Bill. This, however, he knew, that the Bill had already been in three Committees, and the question came to be. &sold it go to a fourth Committee to receive new amendments and improve ments? If it was true what was Rated by an Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Dr. Lawrence), that the Bill as a whole, had not been before the Committee, this would be the ?Ironed' argument which he hid heard for the recommitment. If a Right Honour able Gentleman oppofite (Mr. Pitt) would rife and state that he had new clashes to properfe in the Com. mit tee, or if any other Honourable Gentleman would make a fimilar declaration. he should certainly vote for the recommitment. Independent of fuch a de. clararinn he really had heard no ground laid againil proceeding to the cenfideraaion of the Report. He was the more inclined to this opinion from teeing the candid define of his Majefiy's Minifiere to make every fair conceffion. (Hers 'kers veIN • zenerd h v b.) He thought the question quite important. and that the time of the Houfe would be much more ufefully em ployed in proceeding to the dikuffion of the Report. Mr. PI FT, in explanation, Slated. that be had been osifundertiood by the Hon. Member. He feemed to conceive that he was for the recommitment of the Bid, wh he was again* it. Whatever the principle of the Hon. Gentleman's abfence was, if be had been in his place he would have ken that the claufes which be wiThed to introduce. were not now wanting from any deficiency on his part io pro fig then, hat trrifir his filthility to Oen& the Hoak to adopt them. Mr WINDHAM raid, he underflood, originally, that within but the report Mar to be before thy Houle ; hut before he came dou n to it. he learned that cl ride, had been intrnditee I, which were a fur• prife upon it. He objelled to the line of difctifflon.' becanfe it was debating the Bill as if it were in a Committee, and not upon a general view of the', principle. He wilted for an opporomity to debate it upon the latter ground, becatile he confidered it a firll Rep of a permanent fyllem, and if wrong, the farther we went, the greater the difficulty and dan. ger to recede. He had already objeatd to it, es de• priving us of every other means of al:finance, but he mull correa the error into which thole had fallen who confidered him on that account hottile to the Volunteers, as if any man who voted againft the bill wifhed for the diffolistinn of :he &Sens. With refired to the candour now frond in his Majefly's Minillers, he fair nothing furprifing in the difco very, except that it WAS made from a new quarter (a &BM. It might perhaps be a matter of indif fetence whether the clanks were difculled in a Corn• mince or upon the report, but he thould think the former the fitter place. Colonel BASTARD maintained, that the Volun leer fytteas did not militate fo much as its adyerfaries aliened against the progrefs of the ballot for the Mi litia. &c. As a proof of this, he Rated that in the Mi litia of the county to which he belonged (Devon), where Volunteer Corps were very numerous, the re giment of Militia was not only complete, but bad mane fupernumeraries, although not more than tea 1 ,uineas bounty had ever been given; and he was' confident that if any men were wanting for that body, they could he had from among the Volonteers them- r e ive,, whole fpirit, zeal. and military habit natu rally difpnfed them to enter, if nee/4aq, into regular military fervice. With yelped to the efficacy of the Volunteers for the defence of the country, he refer red to the fpeech of that gallant Officer. that high military authority, the Earl of Moira, who declared at the Highland Society a few days finee, that with the Volunteer force of Scotland. combined with the few regular troops in that country. he would undertake tit defend it againfi any attack of the enemy. This opinion, with that of many other ;camel Offi:ers of Argil char, atter, was quite fufficient to faddy bis.mind of the fallacy of the objeaiona fo oft. n urged againli the utility and firength of the 1/..lunteers. As to the opinion refpciting an armed 1 peafantry, he was not at all inclined to difpute it, hut he would afle, how did the Volunteers Rand in the way of an armed peafantry (eery of Ifeer 1 Near I) ? It did not appear to him that they did. On the con trary, he faid that they might be of the higheß ad vantage to prepare, to direa, and to render that pea hary effeetive. o i Nothing was more deluliye. how • ever, than the afkrtion, that we had not any means M employing our peafantry in the mot of incafion; for the loft was, at !tali in the part of the country with which he was acquainted, that the name of al moll every man who was capable of fervice was en rolled, and his part in loch a cafe alßgned to him.— . Some were appointed to be pioneers, fours to be litanies, and others to convey provifioas, &c. He! was confident from the fpirit generally prevailing. that any of thole men would be ready in the hour of neceffity. to fill up any defalcations that might occur in the ranks of the Volunteers. or the regular army. From this Raternent. he maintained that the opinion was incorrect, that our peafantry could not be ufeful when danger Ihnuld approach us—that they would nut know what to do. Mr. T. GRENVILLE vindicated himfelf from the charge of inconfidency which teemed to have been thrown out againft him by the Learned Gentleman on the Trealury Bench. That he &odd not have attended all the Rages of a meafure which buck him' to be fn radically bad that nothing could be extraeled out of it, was perfealy natural. Indeed. the ember raffment. confufion, and wavering which even the framers of this Bill famed to feel about it, was enough to forbid any ditpalLonate man from fuppofing it probable that it would produce the good expected from it by tome Gentlemen ; yet as there framers were determined to prefs the adoption of this Bill, it was defirabk to remove the deltas pointed out by his Honourable Friend (Mr. Foz), and to which no kind of reply had been made, and alto to introduce the other amendments fuggelled. therefore he 'Mold vote for the motion for recommital. Mr. SHERIDAN, in explanation, Rated that, if any Gentleman had a claufe to propofe which could not be introduced into the Bill without going into a Committee, he would vote for the motion, but not otherwife. Col. CALCRAFT raid, that if the Houfe lhould go Mtn the Committee he would there feel it his duty to propole A deuce refpcaing the grant of additional pay to the Volunteers, and alto a further allowance for clothing. This was a pmpolition which he thought the Honourable Gentleman who (poke lag would approve of, and which, continently with his own declaration, would induce him to vote for the recommittal of the Bill. The CHANCELLOR 14 the EXCHEQVER obferved, that the recommittal of the Bill w ,v not neceffary in order to enable the Hou. Gentleman to propene the Chore he alluded tn, as he might bring it forward in the prefent sage, and it ro. 4 lit alter• wards, if adopted, be referred to the coot:deletion of• a Committee of Supply. The Houfe then proceeded to divide, when there appeared—For proceeding on the Report immedi ately I73—Againfl it 56—Majority 117. On lit-angers being re-admitted, we found the Houfe going through the amendments. Sir JOHN WROrrESLEY propofed an amend ment, purporting that 03 Member of any Corps of Volunteer. v.r Yeomanry who !hall have been corn 1 d fubfequetit to the 2 ad June, (hall be entitled to exemp tion from eompultOry krvice, unlefs be (hall agree to extend his fcrvices to any part of Great Britain. Mr. Secretary YORKE Bated, that moil of the principal mama's/luring and commercial towns in Great Britain were particularly named in the Army of Referee Alt as ear (landing their terms Mr. PITT appro , Worthy Baronet, th. emptions in a general went, our exemptions the appearance of eq o able foundation. Lord TEMPLE obferred, that the ferrite was too limited in many inflances, but one be thou. lat particularly confined in its patricide tote of &twin. that WAS the Somerfet Houle Corps ; the terms OR which it Wfis accepted by Government he usdertlood to be for the defence of Somerfet Route only. Mr. TIE It NE Y Rated, that whatever might have been the original foundation al the Ger, k tat nolo very generally untie:Road, that the young Mai bast long fence agreed to go to any part of the kiwis. ce v where their ferviees might be thought ne • 14 cafe Or 2R !ovation, he believed the only would be in keeping them within the walls 4 fet H , l' le. . Ms. DENT thOnglit ibiettitweatd.i have beat tame regular for loch bodies of men at were appointed e defend a particular building, if dry had bent (was in as confiables. The Right Hon. Co (11,4 Tierney). he underitood, had alio the eaattor o da a Corps in the Borough of Southwark. If eM of that Corps was limited alfo, he would be pledge know what the Right Hon. Gentleman would do with his Corps in the Borough at the tins *wire was locked up in Somerft t-houfe for its defessonvAog would he divide himself Mr. TIERNEY explained to the Hoare what wen the nature of his (kimono with refine to the Soo& wank Volenteers ; be had been firli appointed to din commend of the Souterfet-houfe Volunteers ; bob* afterwards accepted of the command of the Corps Is the Borough only as a matter of form, that he might have power to All in its foundation. and whenever. his prelates was tweedier with the iktataist•boelb Corps, he would retain his command its the other. Mr. SHERIDAN omitted the fpecies of Indoor ferrite which the clerks of the Navy Ogles kid votell —it plainly Sewed that they were deterdifned ea keeping policies of Somerfet4toufe as Inns as dart could. In this laudable intention of S. theirs he had good radon to hope they would not meet with any diftheragement from the example of their Colons/. as there could not poffibly be any doubt of his fie cere defirt to keep eke pablic office committed to Mt charge from falling into the hands of Roy enemy. Mr. FOX adverted to the original detain sitters to proportion the number of Volunteers by, a regular fyflem of fix times the amount of the ithi Militia. That wearer/ would operate very dlre ready in the inked counties from what it world is the counties of Kent, E6e4 Ate. The Sommfee hoofe Corps he thought it perfealy ridicekets Volunteers, ender fuch a lieuted agreement af fee. vice ; particularly as they were invents of the Crown; he thought that more &acid be expefierd from their loyalty throe a bare defence of the pentads, haat* by which they their bread. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQYZI. enumerated revere' counties in which the return of the Volunteers accepted by his Majcay, far exceed. ed the quota which had been mentioned by as Ho nourable Gentlemen oppolite him. Mr. CANNING obferved, that that was an aid& tional proof, if any could be wanting, of the Wirth lion and inconfillency of his Majelly'e prefent. Kip 'tillers, as he knew it to be a fee, that the firli pro. portion of fix too,* was rigidly adhered to. until by, repeated applications from people in thefe counties. I Mininers were prevailed on to alter the plan they lead originally adopted: but even then the numbers which they accepted of. were amfiderably Ilion of what might be railed. After feversl other obiervations from different Honourable Members, the quelion was pat, and there were—For the Auseadoesst 37—Againti it r. Strangers were not admitted any more we th e Gallery, bat we onderlood that the farther cos& deration of the Amendments was put of till wow. row (this day). We were alfo informed, that Mr. Pitt laid that be anderdood that it was the intention of one of his Ma jelly's Minifters to bring forward a Motion upon fubjea fimilar to dog of which be had given soda for tomorrow. It was not his with to prels forward his Motion. if Minifters meant to adopt lay nearer* upon the fubjea : he would therefore parse his Motion, until the Right Hon. Gentlesnankodbeoeght forward this plan. At half pall two o'clock the Hoare adjourned till this day. GE ULM' r. Hartwig, Fez. 2 t.—Gencral Scrotum Das pub liflred a Proclamation to all Magi &arts, Bailiffs, ate. to fend an tuft lift of the Hanoverian prift ners of war now in their refpeilive dittrias, or who have ne fided there ; to fend in has lids every week ; and to allow no officer, fubaltern, or foliier, to depan with. out a pats figned by the French Commandant of the place.—Report (peaks of the ellablithing of maga zines, the introduaion of paper money, Sm.—A n►y large body of recruits arrived here on Friday ; ZOOM it is raid will follow. Fee. 26.—Velerday General Liovino Bearnira arrived here from Paris with his Lady. Yeaerday the General Order refpeeting the ennfoiracy difccrirared at Paris, and the arrea of General Noma, was read on the parade. Fes. 28.—Within there few days, rewind eery eon liderable bodies of rectiiits have arrived hire. They are moilly Ptedornotitele, le‘ied by the trms deems, in the neigh , gnishnod if Marengo and Alefianiitia, and have made the march i• 1 three months. - - - - It is fad now. that the A.:h half brigade will much thortly to PAM. On Saturday so.occ litres were paid to Mr. Pry sacs', Receiver General for the pay of the French tr..ops. Matto' 4. Bociiev of recruits arrive daily from the departmeat of bl , mt Blanc, Piedmont. Ste. —ln the whole. we than have from that rrairter tsco men. who mull be all new clothed. A com pany of ;yo artillery drivers, ha lately arrived here on foot. are alto to be furnifhed with boric'. Ge aeral Neater, who is now here, has the proeifi.w.4 command of the cavalry till due arrival Cameral maws. At Verden a rlblie anion has been made rdYntio• entitled to exemption, notwitg. I bytes of Engliflicloth. which were dirpatched from of ferviee fhould be limited. Bremen. on account of a /Inure in rei elt:fort. and not lived of the propofition of the being provided with the necefary certificate.. were hnugh he was no friend in ex. I felted the-e by the French. The agent at Bremen it view. By the propoled amend- hit ofFete i 2 5...3c0 dollars to have them refteced.asel ns would wear frimething like the Franckf.it merchant has tried to the froort efu and would have fugue red- in Hanover, but its Lain. They ate vatted as awe