Star. — London, England, 1816-03-28 00:00:00

• • . 1 177 &ars hier.)—As to the observations of the Hthnonr. able Gentleman out the salary of the clerks of this Fund, the cause of their having been lately inereassid. was an arrangement which had been made within thit test few years for paying the pittance orthe Poor' Widirws at their own doors, instead of putting them as formerly to the trouble and expense of coming to Leodim.—(Bar, hear.) —The salary of the Paymaster of this Fund had, within tl:e few years, been increased from £2OO a year to £6OO. last ) But the reason for this was, that when the salary . was .1200, the Paymaster bad the emoluments arising tram the sues of £BO,OOO deposited I. his hands; en arrangement which had been abolished. and the addition of ;4400 to his salaiy was a very poor com pensation for the profits of that large deposit. 4s for the office of Paymaster of Marines, he maintained, that no more economical arrangement could be adopt ed, and it was now regulated in the way settled by the House is 1813. The office of Vice-Admiral of Scotland was one which toad not be abolished, as it was reserved speci2lly by the Act of Union, and the office was far from being a :imam - As to the law expenses, the £lOO a-year to the Senior Counsel, was merely a retaining fee, whereas the Junior Counsel 'received £4OO for his whole labour. As to the pay of the Inspector of Telegraphs, it was exactly that fixed by Act of Parliament. Mr. BANKES objected to the increase of the se. parses at this time of difficulty, and odd, that if. he could not now submit a. proposition that would bring that question befog the tlouse, he should do so on the Report. He was muck inclined to recommend • postponement of the vote, in order to give time for ascertaining what the amount of the vote would be, if the Clerks were to be put on the Peace Esta blishment, according to the former system. Mr. BROGDEN stated, that the sum to be voted particularly for the salaries of the Clerks of the Ad. amiralty, amounted to £10,957, Perhaps it would ' answer the Honourable Gentleman's Bankes) purpose, to vote that the sum should be left out, with a view so Substitute another sum, such as he would propose. Mr. TIERNEY observed, that this was the effect of referring to the Committee of Supply Estimates which were not approved of. It would had to divi sions without number. However. if it was the wish of the Committee, he had no objection to withdraw his motion. Lord CASTLEREAGH did 'not see how that difference of opinion could be more easily settled by the circumstance if the Speaker being in the Chair. On the contrary, be thought the votes could be more conveniently taken in the Committee. It was wrong _to suppose that the present Estimate could sanction a course of progressive increase. Mr. BANKES expressed a hope that the resolu tion would be postponed, to afford him an opportu nity of moving an instruction to the Committee not to increase the salaries since May last. Mr. TIERNEY, with leave of the Committee, withdrew hit amendment. Mr. PLUNKETT, in rising to addreis the Com mittee, was too well aware of the lateness of the hour to encroach at• any length on their time. At the same time, he felt it would be doing injustice to his own feelings, to the interests of his Constituents, and the sac r ed rights of .British subjects, not to express the sentiments he entertained on the line of conduct adopted by Adminis&ation. Before Froceedine far. thee-, he would beg leave to ask, whether the salaries of the Secretaries were to be regulated by the diffe. MSC between a state of peace and war ? or, in other words. whether the salary of Mr. Croker was to be reduced to £3OOO in time of peace ? [This question being answered in the affirmative, the Honourable Member proceeded.)—He was gratified to learn that this distinction had at last been reluctantly acknow ledged by his Majesty's Ministers. This line of conduct adopted by the Vepie Lord was one of the most extraordinary whisdrilie House of Commons or the British nation had ever witnessed in any Minister of the Crown. On a former occasion *hen that dis tinction had been pressed in a forcibl e on the attention of the House by his Honourable Friend hNtr- bledwerth the Noble Lord had decidedly given is negative to it t and yet now, with an inconsistency which must strike even the most careless observer, be Nve it his most cordial support. He called on the oble Lord—he called on his Honourable Colleagues in Office—he galled on the Gentlemen who usually -.supported his measures, to say, if in that line of con-. duct there had been the least justice or fairnep.— (Cisserr.)—He called on Country Gentlemen on the opposite side of the House to lay their bands on their bearts, dispassionately to weigh every circumstance which had characterized the proceedings of the Noble Lord, and to ask themselves how they could, consis tently, with a regard to conscience, face their consti tuents, and say they had done their duty ?—(Hear.) He would not Impute to the Noble Lord.any unwor thy motives. He would net for one moment suppose that he was actuated by any desire of degrading that "House in the.eyes of the world. He trusted in GOD there would never be a public functionary in Britain who would be capable of using such Jacobinical lan. But when he sonsidered the procedure of the •fWe Lord—when be contemplated the inconsistency which had characterised him throughout, be would appeal to the feelings of every honest man in that House, %whether there was not an evident design to oppose whatever was proposed on his (Mr. Plun kett's) side of the House, without tbelmallest regard whether what was proposed was right or wrong 1— (CAftes.)—The Honourable Member for Wiltshire proposed a measure which the Noble Lord reprobat ed as improper, and yet next day be comes down to the House and . adopts the' very measure he had re piubated.— (Hear, Hear.)—lt was high time for C a entlemen accustomed to follow is his train to think whether hi consistency with their own credit, as Bri tish Senators, with their fidelity to their constituents and, be would add, with their dignity , as men, the; could any longer be so blinded by prejudices as to tircome the tools of the Noble Lord. For he would eik, how did the Noble Lord use them ? He give them the odium of supporting measures which he afterwards took to hintaelt the grace of retracting.— (Lead chiera.)—He (Mr. Plunkett) regretted he was abider Use necessity ti saying so much, but he telt it his" duty, and should certainly have Considered him oil guilty of an omission of. duty had he not spoken. He would not believe ' indeed it was impossible fe r jins sr believe, th at Gamow *bid to degrade the H nivel of Coltimons ; •but how mita they vole it) eonsisteney with their Own &erecter if diq for one moment considered the tactics of the Noble Lord? The Resolution for economy was now agreed to. This was so far very well ; but why was it not agreed to before ? The answer was obvious • It was for the best of all possible reasons, because the Noble Lord and his colleagues would not su ff er so r dangerous a term as the word economy to be regi stered on the Journals of that House, for had that Resolution been there the Noble Lord and his Friends were in danger. (Chars.) But now it was . quietly allowed us slip in. (Na... haw.) In a very ' fine pompous manner the Committee were told of the difference between the last year of war and the first year of peace. Noaloubt-the expense of the first year of peace must be admitted to outweigh those of the last year of war. But there were elements for re trenchment *liich a Minister, alive to the interests of his country, would lay hold of. These had, in au. tisfactory manner, been pointed out by his Right Ho nonrable Friend (Mr. 'Tierney), who, in a manner that must flash conviction on every mind, had by item and item, 'hewed that instead of being lessened they were increased. (Chars.) No symptoms what ever of a voluntary nature were shewn by Govern ment for any retrenchment. (Near, hear.) Govern. ment now stood in the situation of men on trial.— Clamour ' ignorant impatience of taxation, and a thousand similar motives had been applied to the people in expressing their detestation of the policy of Ministers. But he called on Gentlemen in that House, whose minds were unfettered by prejudice—. he called on theth in conscience to say whether . they could belieie Ministers had ever one serious thought of retrenchment had it not been for this chi . - mour, this ignorant impatience ? (Laid eissrt.)— He would tell the Noble Lord that that clamour hid compelled him to do his duty so far, and might, per haps, if he did not take care, Llainour him down out of office.—(Chary.)—A very nice distinction had been made between clamour out of doors and cla. mour within doors. To the latter of these he would call the attention of the Committee, and he would ask, what did they think it meant ? Why it was imply this. Had the Member , . who presented Petitions (or rather the remonstr.ncb of ignor,nt impatience) to the House. ushered t. mu quietly, with all that suavity and smoothness so happily practised on the opposite side, there would have been no clamour. But because . they did in a manly constitutional manner scorn to abandon their duty, because they had introduced the ciAmours of the people, excited by the dereliction of the Ministers, from their fidelity; because they had ot , en made these walls to re-echo with- their deter? mined opposition to the attempts madesto prera down a people already worn out, they were charged by the Noble Lord with making a clantour.--. (Lodi chars.) The cry excited by the people was not to be put down. The people felt they were insulted. and be implored Ministers not to treat them any longer with con. tempt.—( Rear, hear.) Lo , d CASTLEREAGH bad never objected to the conduct of the House, except that they wished to carry questions without discussion; and it was that fais discussion which he alone wanted, inured of the dictum of the other side of the House, as the voice of the country. One Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Tierney) had come forward the other night before the House with formidable preparations and threats aga'ost Ministers. He had desired the House I to listen to them—he would stew them &prism leas' 1 case against Government—he would make out such a case, that the House could not even go into a Com. injure in which Government might be heard upon the subject. But, after all this, the Right Honourable Gentleman's proposition had been fairly knocked on the head, and was now thrown upon the defensive. As to the Honourable Member who spoke last, he seemed rather more anxious for the conduct of those who differed from him than of those who agreed with liim—(lfeer, hear.) The resolution of the Honoura ble Member for Wiltshire applied exclusively to the Clerks, and he (Lord Castlereagh) then suggested, that this was was not acting upon tbe principle, but upon the case; and his argument was, that if the principle was generalised, it would net stand. The course which be then recommended was, that the proper time for discussing and voting on the clues. ion was in the Committee on the Estimates. His objection to Resolution was because it insinuated a censure against Government. He did net conceive that the disposition of the House on that night was. that the Order in Council of 1809 should be observed as to the Secretaries bit not as to the Clerks—(Hear.) As to those who voted against that motion, they did lit on the ground that the proceeding then was indi rect, and that they reserved their opinion and vote on the real question till the Committee. He was sur prised that the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Plan keit) should have condescended to lead himselfto the point of impression, and not to the point of ergo. meat--(Hear, hear, hear.) Mr. METHUEN said no man could hesitate one moment in saying that Government were improvi dent in every thing they possibly could be.—(Heer). The Noble Lord spoke of two parties being made ie that House: but he would ask him, where were these two parties ? Did not the House know that the point of discussion was between his Majesty's G O .l vernment and the Public ? And he assured the Noble Lord, he had but little knowledge of British spirit, if he supposed it would be put down by any inch argu. aunt as that he made use of. Britons knew their rights, and they felt these rights had been wantonly invaded. To them. and them only. was the Noble Lord responsible—with than, not with the House, . he had an important account to settle. (Chars.) Mr. PONSONBY considered the Noble Lord as . altogether impatient at the discussion of the Esti. • mates. Give es the whole l was the cry.. But be hoped that every man who thought that there was ex. travagance in any one item would vote against this ~ Resolution. Mr. CROKER repeated his former statements. Mr. BANIES then withdrew his motion, and pro. posed, as an Amendment, that the Chairman should report progress, and ask leave to sit again. The House then divided, when there were—For the Amendment, 85; against it, 168—Majority against it, 78. The disCussion then proceeded on the ori ginal question. Mr. BARING proposed, as an Amendment, that the sum of £57,7513 might be substituted for the sum proposed. Mr, CALCRAFT ;bought it would We amide' • rata,' if the office of Paymaster ni Marina should be held by the Treasurer of the Navy. Sir G. WA It RENT) is R eon4dered, that if that were possible little would be saved. Mr. CA [.CRAFT explained. Mr. ROSE said, it had been his opinion that the office of Paymaster of the Marines might be held by the Treasurer of the Nary, but the Commissioners of the Navy bad considered otherwise. Mr. W. W YNNE thought that it was needless to i vote a salary to the Vice-Admiral of Scotland, if it shoted he kept up as as honorary distinction. Sir M. W. RIDLEY believed the race -1 Vice-Admiral to be a sinecure ' and thought It very strange that it should be held by a General in the Army. Lord BINNING believed the office was not hereditary. After ROMe farther conversation, in which Mr. W a ovr fix ET, Admiral IVIARKIIAM, Lord FOLCHSTONE, Lord CASTLEIZAGH, Mr. BARING, and Mr. V. FIT ZORRA I :I took part, The House divided upon Mr. BARING 'S Anivndment, when there were—Fur the Amendment nu—Against it, ut.—Majo rity against it, BS. The House then resumed.—The CHAIRMAN reported pro gress, and the farther consideration of the Navy Estimates was 'postponed till Friday next. 'Hie Report was ordered to be brought up to-morrow. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at HA Lr-rmi r Two o'CLoc a. A List' OF THE MINORITY THAT TOTED ON MR. lIANHLei AMENDMENT ROA HUMMING TIC azrasol rust IJi TUE CIVIL DRPAILTMLNTS OR TYR NATAL IMITIMATES Abercromby,Hou.J. Orenfell, Parcae Osborne, Lord F. Raring, Alex. Guile, Sir Win. Osaulston, Lord Babiagton Thos. Grant, S. P. Palmer, Clarks Banker,Henry Hughes, W. L. Pontonby, Rt. Hon. 111 MM., 8. E. Hamilton, Sir H.D. George Bennet, Hon. H. O. Heron, Sir R. Plunkett, Right Hon. aircb,hoeepb Horoby.E W. C. Briad, Hon. T. King, Sir 1. D. Pattie, Hon. F. A. Brougham, Henry Knox, T. Russell, Lard W. Barham, Joseph F. Lead er, W. Ramsden,.l. C. Lester, B L. Ridley, Sir M. W. Nic. Lainbton, J. G. Rowley, Sir W. Calvert, Charles Lefevre, C. Shaw Romilly, Sir S. Carew, R. S. Lemon, Sir W. Sebring, Sir J. Hon. H. Lloyd, J. M. Smythe, J. H. Campbell, Gen. Lyttleten, Hon. W. Smith, John Campbell, Mo. J. Markham, Admiral Smith, Wm. Cavendish, Ld. G. Marryat, Jos. Stanley, Vise. Cilcraft, lob's Methuen, Paul Tierney, Rt. Hon. G. Douglas, Hun. S. F. Moriand, i. B. Tremayne, J. H. Dundee, Charles Maitland, Hon A. Vernon, Granville Dencannen, Vise. Molyneux, H. H. Vyse, It. W. H. Edison, Cuthbert Moors, P. WWII, John A. Forbes, Charles Martin, H. Western, Ch. C. risky, Kirkman Martin, John Wilkins, Walter Folkestone, Lord M'lntosb, Sir 1. Waidegrave, Hon. Fitzgerald, Lord W. Newman, Wes. Captain -Ferguson, Sir R. C. Newport, Sir J. Wynn, C. W. Fitzroy, Lord J. Neville, lion. H. TILLER. Gordon, k. Nugent, Lord Fremantle, Wm. THE EVENING STAR. LONDON. THURSDAY, MARCH 28, 1816. PRICE OF srocKs THIS DAY AT I WELVILO'CLOCKa RetWeed (shot)—Cons. mo. ‘lii —for sec. tit 4 per Cent.(shut)-5 per Cm. 110-I—Bonds par, Is. pr. esna. per. 1731—rszels. Bali Ss. Is. die. Last right, at a quarter before eleven o'clock, the Pau= RECENT arrived at Carlton House in his new travelling carriage, attended by Sir Bas.rawtx BLoom nem, from Brighton, which he left at two o'clock. Prince LEOPOLD of COBOURO remains at Brighton another fortnight. The ceremonial of the marriage between her Royal Highness the Princess Cuancorre and his Highness Prince LEOPOLD of SAXE Conoutto, will be solem nixed at Carlton House by the Archbishop of CAN TEIIIIURY, on Tuesday evening, the 16th of April next.l A Bill for the naturalization of Prince LEOPOLD went through both Houses last night. In compli ment to the Panics all the forms were gone through. in one night. The business occupied only a few minutes. In a day or two the Royal Assent will be given to the Bill, and his Senors Hionmass will then have the honour of becoming a British subject. The Navy Estimates again occupied the attention of the Commons. A preliminary point was conceded by Ministers—that of voting each item separately.— Mr. Tummy proposed to vote the Estimates fot months only, and that in the mean time a Committee should be appointed to ascertain what would be the fair amount of the charge that ought to be called for; but his proposal was rejected. The question upon 'the Victualling Contracts for the Duck.yards did not come on—but the subject of the Admiralty establish ment occasioned some discussion. In 1814, thirty. five Admiralty Clerks were paid £lo,9so—in 1816 the same sum is to be paid to twenty-eight.— The Navy Office Clerks in 1814 were 186, and re ceived £34,000; in 1816 their number is reduced to 178 0 and their salaries raised to £39,000. The Navy Pay Office Clerks were 60 in. 1814, and were paid £18,470; their number in 1816 is 61, and their sa laries £20,200. Victualling Cletks 164, in 1814 re. ceived £26,520; in 1816, 157 Clerks receive £30,030. Thus the excess of salaries in 1816, though the num ber of Clerks be fewer, is 410,230. Besides the regular salaries the public has to pay the superannua tion of the Clerks who have been removed since 1814, viz. 24, and the amount of this charge is £5,892. Among the superannuated clerks is one 24 years of age. Such are the fasts before Parliament and it was I urged, in addition, that these Estimates having been made before Ministers were outvoted' on the Income Tax, tbe . Clerks receive, in fact, of efficient salary,' onotaih more than was even in the contemplation of Ministers themselves—or, at any rate ens-tevailittli, if it be allowed that Ministers, at the time the Estimate was formed, had resolved to demand only a five per Cent. Tax on Income. In fact, we consider this as the most solid part of the argument against the pre sent amount; for we think it has been w•elbestablished that the Junior Clerks cobld not maintain themselves on the salaries they had a few year, ago, and that they were then in a most wretched' state. — That the servants of the public should be kept in a state of naipery cannot be the wish of rational econo• mists a but, nn the other hand, th• fornm e ing been abolished, so h portion of their was calculated to enable them to m-et ti should be reduced. Salaries to princip.d s entirely p•rformed by Deputies o r A ss i stant be entirely abolished. " What are you ding Nntlling ► , Sir:" "And what are yon doing " I am helping Jack,"—might hare J ne when the Nation was r' lliog ;n wealth, but it sent state of general di .tress should be entire!, We have received the Paris Papers c,t M 7ndiy, General TRAVOT has been I mud guilty at ken nels and General Museum at l'a: is, nt treason and retie" lion. None, however, we apprehend, will undsrge the punishment of death. The character of D EBEtut Appears, from his trial, to stand very high : n or THAVOT by any means a fit tiuj. c• for uuni.hmet. He was entrusted by BusarAturc with the salj 'ion of La Vanae last year, hot he re..l:y setnis have treated the oppressed bin loyal Vcndeans with great humanity. The Spanish General, ALAVA, who ha; Ni g h t ,. many years by the side of WELLINGTON, h, s id t Paris on a secret mission. We wculd fain hope !hag the gallant General goes to MAdrid to op , rde some change in the ill•starred ctauncils of hi s f ixA s sit Sovereign. PARIS MARCH 25. The ascension in a balloon, and the d escent i n parachute, of Mademoiselle Garnerin, so often aa. flounced, and so often deferred, took place yesterday in the Champ de Mars. The air was cold and the atmosphere cloudy, and this circumstance induced belief that the experiment would be put off. At half. past three, however, Mademoiselle Garneriu entered la very magnificent car, affixed by a rope twenty feat long to a parachute, above which was the ballooa, The whole then rose mdestically in a westerly dies tion. When about the height cf No° fret, the IA cut the rope, the parachute unfolded itself, and da descent took place slowly, and without the least ea* tussion. Mademoiselle Gas-Elvin alighted near tbs Barrier of Gras Caillou, and quite close to the River. The young Lady went through the business wick great sang froid, and received the testimoaies of satis. faction of the numerous spectators assembled. A great number of gentlemen on horseback preceded the young aeronaut on her return to Paris, and among tbs company was the Duke of Wellirgton. The ship in which the Duke of Holstein (ci-drvilt King of Sweden) arrived at Ancona, carried tat white flag. It w*s under 1:.:s fl e 7 that die Printe wisher; to enter tke Holy Lind ; aildhe w:isfuri.ished with passports by Louis XVIII. when at Ghent. General Debelle, presinus to the Judges. retiring to deliberate on his case, addressed Ilion in a neat speech. in which he pleaded guilty to the charo against him. He concluded by thrnwiag nu the clemency c f the K ng, and exclaimed Yise Roi ! When his sentence oats read, his av er , w h o v:as in Court, uttered the most doleful cries and fainted. COURIER EXIT AORDI \ A ItY ur• :.111:40tY MORNING. On the 20th of March, at six o'cl.ck in the even. ing, after laving deliberated since noon, the Council of War sitting at Rennes, condemned Lieutenant. General Travot to the punishment of death for re. hellion, and for inducing the citiz , ms to arm the* selves against the legitimate authority. The fetes on the occasion ot the marriage of the Doke de 13:rri, will begin on the 15th of May nem General Maya, first Ai le-de-Camp to the Duke of Wellington, has left l'ocis on a special mission. MILAN, MARCii We learn from Como that the Emperor visited with the greatest care all the curiosities of that city, and among others the Villa of the Princess of Wales, which his Majesty admired greatly. The agents of the Princess, who are now at Pakimo, have received orders to hasten the fittings up so Out they may he finished in a month, when she will return. Upwards of 500 workmen are consequently employed in the Palace and gardens. The most celebrated painters have been sent for from every past of Italy. In the Palace there are apartments furnished in the Chinese. Persian, Turkish, English, and French fashi►►ns. Noy perspectives have been opened in the gardens. c.o. ' cities formed, and numerous statues placed around. Brussels Papers, to the 24th inst. reached us this morning, but their contents are tiniitereitil4: D&AL, IVlnucit ‘27.--Carne down, last evening. after post, the Marchioness of Ely, East Indiarnan, for India; and, at twelve n'ciccic at naidnight,saded with the Warren Hastings and rV),i, lot MaikfA Efengal.—Wind N. E. Mr. KEA it.—This most Ingenious and :ccomplished Actor prevented from coming to the discharge of his duty on Tula{tit night, by an unfortunate accident. He kit his Own chaise 14 East Smithfield, and took a bOat to go to Greenwich by wataci but finding the waterman slow, ar.l fearing lie should nit WI time, he was landed on the Kent side, an 4 hired a one.hork chaise, with which he proceeded to Greenwict, and dined a few friends. He was returning between tour and fire e'Out,.V to be at the Theatre by six, and had reached Deptford, wbetilef strange horse took fright at some geese on the rca.'4, antl be Si overturned, by witch he dislocateil his Fiti:ii!dei, awl WA Car; vied, totally insensible, into the Oxford 'Amts, where unknown, and it was not till late iii the evening that he Vat sufficiently relieved to be al.le to inform the people who 4ti vat Yesterday morning Mrs. KEAN, Mr. RAS, Mr. Pore, Mr. PiN: LIT, and several othLis, went down to him Tiiry foi:n.l tl,3t shooldar had beet. tenet, and in the afternocri lie wAs town, to his house in,Carges-etteet. It ha, hen ascerisiiii : d *boat a fortnight ago Mr. Ktast bad a very utiphavnt drea... front which, weakly enough, he in2idgid in O F g !,,only that he should die on St. I'a: rick'. Day : nor %ea. he 4 til•fi:if the error of this strange treserititirest even whyn the day had Fa.... ed over; but thought the awful visitation, at it thil not take ?lace. on thed;y of the new sryle, must beimiided for that of tbe 30 14 :: We regret that any such notion as this should five been tabled in a mind otherwise to hne and superior,, as we stead it even now continues to prep heavily upr;ii bur, :he tikt of dreadful foreboding not being yet arrived. fro morrowle tt; fearfully awaited day ; and however ridiculous the apprelienskies, Mr. KEAN's friends will do well to tile diary means of trail''. eating from !Vs mind so strange and injoihms'ari Impre .1a this event," ./eirhard teas be himaq . avin ;" au hk; Lis hft4 representative may tor ball a (mewl at 'conic enJ.l the' aniutsl festivities of at. Patrick, to the ha} pintas of his hi c udi " aa J ths • delight of the Ptiblic. LONDON Naomi by Lamm. Kui; P,ckctt limo; roblished *Wee NM*: the mar-Office, I empi. Oat .I MJ 1 T t s this et,, for ti m uts, s h ng, 340, 1• 1 " 3g, Tom, N! very w I in the ly scu m * Mqnddt