Star. — London, England, 1809-03-16 00:00:00

P --- - •, • is not to 'se obtained by doing duty well, but by eon- ' descending to every species of mea,nness to a woman of this kind ? With regard to the case of Dowler, I ' think it involves a serious charge, as ik evident i t ‘ t. that a place in the Commissariat was obta . through corrupt influence with the Doke of York. 4o not b slieve that such situation was in any degree pro cured by the interference of Sir Brook Watson Watson; for it appears that Mr. Dowler's politics were altogether contrary to those of that worthy Baronet ; and, be. sides, it would he extraordinary that Sir Brook Wat son should think of giving that place to the son cf . a person who had been opposing him. As to French's levy, there is evidently something very sus picious in it ; and, although it does not appear that the Duke participated in the corruption, yet, I must say, I am astonished he should have been so blind as not to see that which every man must have seen.— Only consider the evidence of Miss Taylor, confirm ed as it is by those letters and notes, especially those written to Capt. Sanden, which, whether he were the dupe or accomplice of Mrs. Clarke, shew there was a continual courseofcorrespondence carrying on between them, and that she was constantly receiving informa tion on military matters, and you will find it exceed ingly strong and corroborative of Mrs. Clarke's testi mony. If Capt. Sanden were actually the dupe, he could in a moment have proved Mrs.Clarke'sstatement as to influence to be false, by applying to the Duke of York ; but so far from it, Captain Sanden kept ad vsncing money to her, from time to time, in order, 1 , as he hoped, to effect his purpose. Although there be some contrariety in Mrs. Clarke's statement of the conversation with the Duke, and that of Miss Taylor, I think it sufficient still to force me to come to the conclusion, that the Duke of York was privy to that transaction, and therefore a participator in it. As to the case of Captain Tonyn, I think the note produced i relative to it, if it had been a forgery, would have had more added to it, in order to produce the conclusions intended to be drawn from it, without incurring the risk of detection.—Considering that Captain Sanden gave exactly the same account of it to Colonel Ha- milton, at 'Portsmouth, originally, as he afterwards gave at the Bar, I camiot but suppose that it was 1 the real fact, that the note was shewn some way or other, although we might easily conceive that some other pretence had been made to the Duke of York for obtaining it. As to Capt. Turner's case, it appears to me to give an idea that Mrs. Sutherland, at the time of the application, had so great an in fluence over him, although in fact not living with him, but with another, as to induce him to refuse re signation to an officer, whose military character was well known. If then he were so much led away by Mrs. Sutherland, when not living with her, how much more probable was it, that he would be led away by the fascinating charms of the one with whom he lived ? ( Hear ! Hear !) 1 own frankly that my view of the case is this, that notwithstanding all that has been said by the Right Hon. and Learned Gentlemen on the other side, the amendment that has been proposed by the Honourable Member below me (Mr. Bankes), does exactly state my conviction as to the conduct of the Duke of York. It is evident that the Duke could not avoid suspecting that such practices existed. It was a good deal like the general ' conviction and feeling of a nnin, who knows that his affairs are going into a had state; he is always afraid that he is spending too much money, but he does not choose to look into his affairs, so that he almost per suades himself that he can go on living as he has dime. Any one who knows the nature of the hu man mind must know, that it is very possible for a person to have that sort of sensation we are now speaking of. I cannot sa y I know of all these corrupt practices particularly ; b ut Igo as far as I can in ac quitting his Royal Highness, and I should be rather led to agree with the motion of my Hon. Friend, than acquit him altogetlatr. It has been said, that it would be more manly to come to a direct charge of guilt ; but it is because they think it would be more easy to persuade the House to retract. I am as old a soldier as any of these Learned Gentlemen, and am fully aware of the tricks that are practised in this House.— (Hear. hear, !rear!) That is most manly which really expresses the conviction of our under standing. His Royal Highness having put himself, by their advice, in the situation he now stands before us, that makes it impossible for me to do otherwise. It is a situation which I, in common with all others, de plore. At one time, it was said to he a plot ; hut I cannot think there is any proof whatever that it has been so ; for it is remarkable that Mrs. Clarke was u; on bad verms witli most of the witnesses brought to the Bar, such as Donovan, Sanden, Maltby, Nichols, and Mrs. Sutherland This circumstance does away all suspicion that it was a plot. But the strongest of all evidence in confirmation of Mrs. Clarke's testi mony, is to me the Duke's letters, both because they are a species of evidence justly esteemed, and were written at the time these transactions were going on. Fite did not know they were in existence. Of Colonel C., -, rdon, Colonel Brownrig, and General Calvert, none can speak more highly than 1 am disposed to speak. I can never forget the effect produced when I saw Colonel Gordon at the Bar, called upon to state whether that mysterious note was of the Duke of York's Land-writing ? There was a dignity, simplicity, and determination on his part to do his duty, which con duct, however painful it might be to him, one could not but in the highest•degrce'respect. If the Duke of York had stated to those Gentlemen, that he ap prehended Mrs. Clarke was irregularly interfering with army promotions, I am sure they would, when called to your bar, have stated fairly, that such warn ings had been given ; for th e real f act i s , t h at t h e soldiers and sailors of this country, at the same time tl at they have strong bodies, have vigorous minds. It is this and the nature of the British Constitution, that makes every one cf them feel himself a man of consequence. 1 have merely spoken of that part cif the evidence which slims that many suspicions must have rested on the Duke's mind, as to these corrupt practices ; and 1 cannot go the length of acquitting hi m of all ,connivance. Undoubtedly Ido free him from any real knoodedge, amounting to participation i that corruption ; and it gives me the sincerest sa osfaction to do so. Besides this, it is absolutely ne cessary to make that reparation to tie wounded mo r lity of the country, which we can only effect by xpressing 7.11 opinion, that the command of the army ". annot any longer remain in the hands of his Royal Fli g htless the Doke of York." He concluded by im- I Loring the House to co4sider, that the sa!ety of the ( entry depended oil thei(Liccision. • • . . . . . , Mr. Secretary CANNING - kid - , that however he Friend lad fVf6poSeCi Resolutions, and thought it them aga i nst popular clamottr ; no one agt?ci r _ . disagreed with the Honourable Gentleman in manh would be further necessary to lay the decision of the • than he did in the opinion that popular cli: e ~ points, yet he most cordially agreed with him in House,before his Majesty, . who would thereby be en- should be guarded against ; but the Hou se m2;0 : : j this, that in the vote they were to give to-night, the / abled to see what steps had been taken by the House; consider, that this case, of all others, the edues ,; character and honour of that House *ere most deeply I and it could not but be highly satisfactory to the feel- part of the community, was qualified to deride ; e.,,;: ... engaged. He hoped that the. House and the Right 1 ings of his Majesty, who, during the whole course of ought to consider that they had sent aiithenti c cnree Hon. Gentleman would believe, that although he i a long a n d am i a bl e re i gn , h a d ev i nce d t ow ar ds the abroad, and that the educated part of the cometueity took a very different view of the question, yet his I Country such paternal feelings. ; were in the habit of acting as Jurymen., and c on k vote should be determined by the conscientious opinion , Mr. TIERNEY rose. to order, and said that the fluently competent to decide upon evidence , • • 1, ,„ yeee. which he had formed after the most attentive consi- Right Hon. Gentleman was then using the Ktng's they ought nnt to suffer the prejudices of the conV e &oration of the evidence. The debate had now conti- name for the purpose of influencing the House, which pity to interfere with, or influence their e,pee me, ye ,. nued for an unexampled length of time, and had been was contrary to the Orders ofehe House. I their just judgments ought to be respected. t i. conducted with unexampled ability. He had waited Mr. CANNING proceeded, and observed that both thought that the case was fully proved, and drat ei, with patience, and a sincere desire to collect from other the Addresses were highly objectionable. 4 In one of , could not in justice decide that the Com nete e er i :, Gentlemen materials to enable him to come to the them, that of his Honourable Friend (Ms. Bankes), Chief was not guilty. most correct judgment which his mind could enable there was a mistatement in the very beginning. The , Mr. TIERNEY made some nbservetion s epee ti , him to form on the subject. Of all the speeches which Committee had sat six weeks to enquire into the con-' mode on which the diiii,ion should take place ; l ee . he had expected to hear upon the subject, there was duct of the Duke of York—the House had been sitting the House becoming most clamorous fo r to ws. none for which he had waited with more anxiety than six days to consider what way they should communi- ! tion, strangers were ordered to withdraw. for the speech of the Honourable Gentleman. He cate their sentiments on that conduct, and yet the [While the division was taking place, ib e Cl; N y . had looked to his speech as one, from which ]le ex- name of the Duke of York was not once mentioned in CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER addr ers pd 0 ., petted that all party views would be entirely banished that Address. In the whole history of Addresses, such Members . in the lobby, and stated to them t;: It r. He was sure that the Honourable Gentleman would a one as this had never been framed by the heart of , first division went only to determine the be er of t !,,.. not practise any management, or feel or express . man, nor had the like ever before been presented to proceedings. The next question would diee ee e„ himself like a Parliamentary tactitian, on such a : the House. It said no more nor less than this—" We t'ie fa:e eii Colonel Wardie's Motion, aed if i t ~..: day as this. He thought, however, that he would ; believe him to be guilty, hut if he should happen'to ne eitived, he would then propose the se.ceee „f I , ;c not have entered into any compromise upon •such., be innocent, we will still punish him as if guilty." Resolutious, having waved the first. The ma nner it an occasion, or have given his support to an address He hoped, however, such an address of alternatives which that second Resolution was carriecleesuida c ee e which had no character at all. ( Hear ! hear ! ) The would not be permitted to stand on the Journals of whether ti e Dte:e of York, was guilty or no t ? H e Address Which was proposed, pronounced nothing re- the House. The Hon. Gentleman who brought. for- wai'd afterwards propose, if his second Res o l et i o , specting the question which they had been so long • ward the charges had devised one of his own ; but he w.ts carried, to adjourn the consid:ratien of th e m i le , : investigating, whether the Duke of York was guilty had suffered others to interfere, and to inoculate or t, another dray. In every case it was highly desirable or dot? It appeared to him, that the decision of the vaccinate it with matter of their producing, whiclT had that they should come to a conclusion on th e re „,, House ought to direct the opinion of the public in- warped it from its natural purpose, and made it differ i question before they parted ; it was probable se eee e stead of following the stream of popular opinion. It from itself. Some of those who had thus interfered, I divisions would take place ; he trusted no M em b e , was by rightly discharging their duty, that true and might have inherited their presumption and pertina. I would go away* until they were all decided.] lasting popularity was to be hoped for. What was city by an inheritance of the splendid vices of one I The List division was on the quesdon, wheth er t e e it, however, that the Honourable Gentleman had of the mistresses of Charles 11. The question was 1 House should proceed by Address or Reselee oe f.,,,.. stated as his opinion ? He had told the House, that not, that the Committee should enquire into the 1 [This decided the fate of Mr. BANKEs's arnendmeeel after the fullest consideration of the evidence, and Abuses and corruptions of the Army, but into the For proceeding by Address - - 199 after six days had been spent in debating the subject, conduct of the Duke of York. This address, how- For proceeding by Resolution - - t.. 94 lie had not been able to give a decided opinion ever, shirked the question, and shifted it to the abuse. whether the Duke had been guilty of corruption or which might have existed before the Duke of York was not. This was then the result of six days' debate, and born. It had been said, that Ministers encouraged this was all the opinion pronounced by the Right Hon. , this open mode of proceeding that had been pur- 1 Gentleman, to whose opinion the largest number of sued. He was one that did so, because he thought people looked up to fashion theirs. It he was not pre- that proceeding would lead to impeachment, and not pared to give a decided opinion on the guilt or inno- ; that by restoring the SPEAKER to the Chair, they cence of his It( yell Highness, bethought that it would should proceed from the character of inquisitors to have been better for him not to have gone into those those of judges. He did not repent of that proceed comprehensive and general views which rather encum- i ing, because, whatever steps the House might take, bered and perplexed the question, thanplaced itinany ! it would appear to the public, that they wished the itew light which would have been able toguide the house . truth to be fully and fairly investigated. From the in their determination. After stating the immorality ; case of Lord Falkland to that of Lord Melville, the of the connection which was disclosed, the Honour- course of that House had always been to proceed by able Gentleman asked, would it not be a scandal and wayof resolution, and then an address; bet an address a shame to that House not to come into Resolutions 1 with a Resolution, he thought highly unjust. It had which would disgrace the Commander in Chief? For , been said the other night, by a great Grandee of the his part, he doubted much whether the House had I House of Commons, tilling himself an independent any right to consider more about the immorality of I country Gentleman, that Gentlemen in office were this connection than as related to its practical effects I not to be believed. On such declarations, he should as to the administration of that department in the always look with sovereign contempt. He conceived State which had been confided to his Royal High- ; it to be the fair inference, of what would have been nest. . He considered that religion, as well as mo- i the conduct of the man who said it, had he been in rality, was best judged of by its practical e ff ects ; i office. It was not a glass that reflected others, but and until a deviation from religion and morality i a glass that reflected himself. He was the last man had produced serious evils to the State, he did not ! who would wish to have any deference paid to the know that Parliament should be called upon to I Duke of York on account of his rank, but in propor interfere by its censure. As to the Address origi- ; tion as they acted consonant to the principles ofjus nally proposed, lie must dissent from it, because ; tice, posterity would look on them, and he would wish lie did not agree with the averments of it ; but at the 1 the decision to be such, as should do honour to the same time he thought it had this great advantage over ; justice and dignity of the House. the Address moved in its place, that it was much I Lord FOLKESTONE, in explanation, begged to more direct and intelligible. The Address, however, ; make an observation or two on some words that had which was moved in its place, was complicated and I fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman in the course confused in a high degree. It blended all manner of iof his speech. What he had stated on a former night questions together. It took in something of religion, lon the subject of the word infaruy, was from what he something of connivance, something of the immoral• understood the Right Honourable Gentleman tet have ity of the connection, and formed a sot - Leif average said on the commencement of die inquiry. The Right upon all that was in any way objected to the Duke, Honourable Gentleman had this evening given ano without c o ming t o an y decision upon what was really I ther ground on which he rested it, instead of the head the charge against him, namely, whether hewasguilty of his Honourable Friend. He had certainly been in of corruption or riot ? This conduct would not he just error, and he was sorry the Right Honourable Gen to the iliustrions personage who was the object of the ~ tleman had not taken an earlier opportunity of men accusation,nor kind towards theSovereign,wbo would tioning it, as he then should have escaped the using be called upon to punish his son before he should be , the language he had done upon it. With respect to found guilty Comparing the present times with other ! another allusion which went to the situation of an an times, all that should be asked for the Duke of York' cestor of his in the reign of Charles 11. long before was, that he should not be considered more than arm- the person who gave him being was born ; it would ther person, but that on account of his rank he should; be ridiculous in him to seem not to know who was not be made a sacrifice. These charees, in the shape I glanced at in what had been said ; but he begged of accusations, accused the Duke of York with having I leave to state to the Right Honourable Gentleman been personally corrupt. The Hon. Gentlemen say, , and to the House, that every inquiry and investiga ,there is no record ; he wished the matter to be inves_ ' tion had then been made into the truth or falsehood of tigated fairly, not by a spirit of charge and a vote of the report of that connection, and the result was, there compromise. The Address of his Hon. Friend did . was never any warrantable proof of it ; and though the not mean to infer corruption or criminal connivance, ' ALNIIGIITY had thought fit in the plenitudeothis!wrath but was built selely on suspicion, and both Addresses . 4 ‘ to visit the sins of the father upon the children, to the contained considerations of expediency and prudence, ' third and fourth generation," he did not conceive the more than any spirit of justice. The Duke of York Right Hon. Gentleman would have arrogated the had been accused of base and wilful corruption ; he right to do so. He would say nothing of the justice, had also been assaidtedby minor charges,and he wished the moderation, the candour, and the decency of its only to have a fair opportunity of proving his inno- ' coming from such a person as the Right Honourable cence by a fair and impartial trial. The judgment of , Gentleman ! (Order, Order, Order ! ) his Peers was one of the highest privil ege ,: of an English I The SPEAKER mildly referred it to thegood sense subject, and surely his Royal Highness is fully =titled ' and good temper of the Noble Lord, to consider whe. to his share of that right. Justice lie can only h:tve'by slier this was not studiously personal, and if sa, whe the House coming to a decision on a Resolution of flier it ought not is be dropt ? Guilty or Not Guilty ; and he was astonished how I Lord FOLKSTONE then put the matter to the the Honourable Gentlemen could reconcile it to their candour, judgment, impartiality, and moderation of minds to lumpeall these considerations together. The the House, to consider of the decency of the allusion grave charge of corruption the House ought fairly to of the Right Hon. Gentleman, which made these decide upon ; and he thought, if censure should be , observations necessary—(Order, order! Chair, chair, found necessary, it would be better conveyed by a Re- - chair l e ) solution than an Address, a mode which could not I Mr. BATHURST said a few words, but a loud fail to wound the feelings of his Majesty. A Noble ' cry of " question" prevented their being heard. Lord had, on a former night, spoken with some as-' Mr. PONSONBY said, that lie would trouble the perity on what had fallen from him on the outset of House with but a very few remarks ; he was the more this inquiry. He owned he did say that infamy must encouraged to offer them, as the Right Honourable rest somewhere, but he did not say it must fall on the Gentleman had abstained from ill personality, and bead of the accuser. He meant that infamy must re set an example of such fair reasoning.—(Hear, hear!) on that confederacy to which the Honourable Gen- He wondered how any one could think the Duke of tleman had been, he had no doubt, an unwilling : York not guilty of connivance, after the evidence they instrument. He would not say whether the Honour- i had heard. The letter upon the case of Tanyn he able Gentleman was to be praised or blamed for considered indisputable ; if they did not agree that he whet he lied done ; that was between Goo and him- was guilty of corruption himself, yet they must ad self --that he had done any national good, he could . mit that he was subject to an influence interfering not agree. Whether it was right to lfave brought with the public service. The transaction with Kennet foewo: .1 die charges in the present instance, it wasior was one of personal convenience to the Commander in himself alone to determine. He (Mr. Canning) Chief. It was mentioned in the letter from Mr. Kennet, rliouAlit die H o no ura bl e G ent l eman oug h t to h ave t h at if h e o b ta i ne d t h e s i tuat i on, he wou l d. b e able o been sure that he was proceeding on just grounds, procure a loan for the Duke of York ; there was ever} ' and could prove the several facts he had so courage- reas - en to believe that that letter was laid before tht otoly broeght forward. If th e H onoura bl e G ent l e - C omman d er i n Chi e f, yet they d id not fi nd t h at a corn ; : 1 1•t's opin ions were to be adopted by the House, it municationwas discentinued in consequence of it. The otil;la to be . 11 Resolutions. His Hight Hoeourable Honourable Member' wile spoke last, had warned Majority against Mr. BANK Es's amended addrcii 95 A second division then took place on Came! WAIIDLIeS 11106011: For it 123 Against it - 564 Majority against Colonel WARDLE'S motion '24 1 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, we under. stood, having declined to press his Resolution at thlt hour, it was agreed to adjourn the farther cons;dera• tion of the Inquiry into the Commander in Chief's conduct till Friday ; the House to meet on the inter. vening day as usual for the transaction of the ordi• nary business. The next q•testion cn the subject of the Inquiry will be on the Resolution in favour of the Duke of York, proposed by the Chancellor cf Exchequer—Adjourned at six o'clock (this mc,rning.) RIARRIED. Tuesday last, at St. Margaret's Church, WermiLi,ter. Li-ute nant Colonel Barclay, of the setd Regiment of font, to Alks belks Colquhoun, second slaughter of P. Colquhoun, Esq. k.f James-street, Westminster. ,• I '0 BE SOLD, pursuant to a Decree cf the Hig l .l -I- Court of Chancery, made in a taus t, Nvhen2in Thon.ss Morris and others are Plaintiffs, and Lanes Clarkson and anoth.:l are Defendants, with the approbation of Robert Steele, of the Masters of the said Court, in three Luts-- A Variable Co pyhold Estate of Inheritance situate at Child's Hiil, within the rish and ivtanor of Hendon, in the County of r,liddlesex, ad joining each side of the Road leading from Hampstead Heath to the I dgeware Road, containing about ti.l Acres of Land, wiz the Family House, Orchard and Garden, tortler with the Po . - tery, Sheds and Buildings appertaining to the Manufactory, tt.e Sheds for stalling Cattle, Cow-house, Coach-ho ., se, anl Staples ; and also the Castle, Public House, and the several other Noes s, Gardens, Meadows, Lands, and Premises, late the prr per y of Samuel Morris, late of Child's Hill aforesaid cite aced. N. B. The above-mentioned Lands produce the be earth fc: making Sugar-bakers moulds, pots, jars, red rubbers, paving bricks, tiles, red stocks, grey stocks, chimney pots, tg.tc. Th • time, and Place of bale will shortly he advertised, whcn P:tri:o lars may be had (gratis) at the said Master's Chambers, in Sotrii• ampton Buildings, Chancery lane, London ; of Mr. Annesley, Solicitor, Hare -court, Temple ; of Mr. Battyc, Solicitor, Chan cery-lane; and of Mr. Clark, Solicitor, Holborn-court, Cray's. Inn, London. FOR. SALE BY PUBLIC AUCTION, At the London Inn, Foxhole-cr,er, Plymouth, on Theilty the 2: sf of March, THE FRENCH SLOOP SUPERB.—Lc";, ,, :I deck 33 feet 6 inches ; breadt4 19 test ; dtpth b trt: inches; admeasures 93 tons. This Vessel is a handsome model, is esnaper , d, and :ail:: fast ; is well found in stores, and may he sent to Rea at a truing ett pence; condemned as prize to his Majesty'. ship NAL.tf , , I)undas, Esq. Commander, and NARCISiI:S, Ch. Mal.ohn, Esq Commander. After which, her CARGO, consisting of, fur Er.portatic,n, 165 Barrels Flour I 8 Casts Fruits 47 Pieces Corday„. 77 Casks Hams and Potted 48 Bars Iron Mea's uo Casks of Butter 3 13ailt2ts S2usage; 12 Cases Glass Wale 12 Cases Pipes 30 Bales Coffee Bags A quantity of I'•;ts . 2 Ditto 83:.1cloth 8 Barrels Hair l'owd - x I 2 ,Ditto Britannias 6 Bales Canvas 69 Cases Lard and Tallow 1 Case Potnatura 60 Baskets O'ive Oil 2 Cases Bars 50 Casks Nails And sundry other Caods. And theft the French schooner le CENFR.VI. JUNO l'of 63 Tons. This vessel is well found, sails fast, aud condemned as prize to his Majesty's sloop RA Lawn, H. J. fur 1, EA. Com mander. Also her Cargo, destined fur Guadaicupa, cousistini, or, for Exportation -175 Barrels Inir 608 Coffee Bags 90 Casks Butter 6 Cases Cheese B Ditto Candles 5 Cases Tobacco-pipes 5 Bales •f Cloth 2 Ditto Piper 38 Sacks of Peas, green and yellow 14 Casks Lard 6 Cases I lairs 4 Casks Twin:: and Lines 4 Bales, containitlg 1 able Li nen and If trylkerchicfs 3 Bal-.!s ..t Shirts I Bale Thread '2 Casts Mercury I Case Medicines 2 - Bales French Baoks I Case I lilts, tic. After which will be SOLD the good brig HURON, of ahout 160 Toils, condemned as prize to his Majesty's ship TRIM:NY, TIiOMAS BAKER, Esq. Commander ; and the plicate slip of war MARS, VINNICOSIBE Commander. For viewing, Inventories, and other particulars, aprly to VV.=- t .lANI PRUCTeIit SSIIIII, Esq. George -street, Dud., or to JAMES SI.ADE, is Plymouth. Plymouth, February QS, 1809. And immediately after will be Sold, The French Chaloupe le PRUDENTE, of about twenty Tong, perfectly new, and well found, captured by his hlajesty's CoN rEs r, Lieutenant GREGORY Conwiand(r. Also her CARGO, consisting of, for E‘port dion, 25 tasks Honey—.so Ditto Sardinian.—Arply abuvr. 11G11 WATER AT LONDON n"IDGF TO-MORROW. Morning - - 31 minutes after Afternoon - - s minutes after 9 .ONDON: Printed and Published by LEVEL KEN I,ot an. terbury Place, Lambeth, a the STA it-Orrlcir, No. 1. Carry street Atthlibited also at the S TAz -0 Vlr ir Tetnric Par. • • • r S r. if Se .) o- he it 3 )*- t.: • !C: tg- - 271 to- he