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then he would have been better able to answer. But he would inquire into the 'natter; and give the Ho. pourable Baronet an answer either in sp out of the House, as he chose. Sir JOHN NEWPORT would prefer receiving the answer in the House, as this was a public concern, arising upon an Act of Parliament.—(HNr, bear.) profligate Government than that of Palermo. What. Mr. VAIITBREAD begged leave to vindicate ever might be his opinion of the vices of that Govern- himself from what had fallen from the Right Ho- ment, or of the uselessness of our endeavours to de- nourable Gentleman, in animadverting upon what fend it without some salutary correction of its defects, he had said respecting the character of the Sicilian he should not on this occasion take the s ense of the Government. The Right Honourable Gentleman Committee upon the vote ; sensible as he was that he had expressed regret that he had applied the terms would not be able to induce a majority to think with he had used to that Government. What! was Par him. He should, however, take that opportunity to liament' then, to shut its eyes to the real state of the advert to a motion, brought forward on Frida y last, case ? Was it to pretend to believe, that the Sicilian by a Right-HonoUrable Gentleman opposite (the Government was not most profligate, and that the Chancellor of the Exchequer), when he was himself Sicilian pecple were not most oppressed ? Was that unavoidably absent attending indispensible public bu- the conduct becoming that House to adopt, when siness—be meant the Vote of Thanks to L ord Wel- making such efforts Tor the protection of Sicily ? lington and his army. It was au invariable rule with Were they not to tell the Government of Sicily of him to suffer no concerns of a private nature to in- its vices, with a view to their correction, and to the terfere with his attention to his duties in Parliament, consequent more effectual exertion in the common whenever any important question called for the at- cause ? He thought it was the duty of any Mem tendance of members : and he should not have been b ee of that House, when voting so large a sum of out of his place on the occasion to which he alluded, money for the support of the Sicilian Government, if he had not been under a necessity of attending to I to enquire how far the application of it might be equally important public duties elsewhere. He regret- I likely to promote the end, and to do all in his power tee(' haying been absent on that occasion, because he I to procure a reform of those abuses in the subsidized would have most cheerfully and cordially concurred in : Government which threatened to defeat the object of the vote then proposed ; and because he would have of ' ng's ministers the to time, could have paid them—tor having selected a G e- neral, in whom they could repose entire confidence, for the able execution of the very arduous and important • te the subsidy. As to the obser vation made b y the been ready to bestow on the Kin's - 1 Right Hon. Gentleman, upon the tribute he felt bute of his praise—a tribute which he , at no other ; himself bound to pay to Lord Wellington, he would repeat, that his praise of that g allant o ffi cer was , most unqualified—but the Right Hon o u rable Gen tleman had misrepresented him in sa y in g , that he had stated this moment of our suc cess to be pecu liarly favourable for the attainment of p eace. He had King-street, St. James's, for the purpose of further.. operations he was entrusted with. This tribute A Meeting was yesterday held at Willis': Rooms, ing the Subscriptions commenced in the City for the praise was justly due to those Gentlemen , a nd ever y Relief of the Inhabitants of Portugal. testimony of applause and admiration to the gall ant real state of the case, at different time s stated his said no such thing. But surely it w as no t a common place to say to the present Governmen t, or to all the Governments which had existed with scarcel y an exception for the last twenty Years in t his countr y , that the only legitimate end of all war was p eace ? There were occasions, when , in the m o m ent of success The Duke of Yoak took the Chair shortly before General whom they have selected. He had , h e must three o'clock ; when the Marquis of Lansdowne call. confess, from the ignorance in which he was as to the ed the attention of his Royal Highness. The Noble Marquis observed, that in taking the liberty of ad. doubts on the subject of some of Lord. Wellingt o n' s ; dressing his Royal Highness, he felt no hesitation in operations ; and with the degree of information he believing that whatever he might say upon that oc had at the time, unquestionably many of t hem a pp ear- -- ed to him to have been extremely questionable. Now, \ however, that he was enabled to view the aggreg ate of operations as a whole, be must say, that the cam - against the enemy, extremely unfav ourable to p eace. . .on the part of this country , not only t he Government casion would be fully anticipated by the Meeting. became i n disposed to accommodation, but even the I people were inflamed to a high de g ree of asperity He felt perfectly convinced that the same opinions Y and feelings which at all times were to be found in paign appeared to him to have been conductedthe line of conduct adopted by the British nation to. by wards the distresses of its allies would be found in ttPcltr; It too often happened, that the people were taught a most masterly plan ; highly honourable to the die- ; their rulers to entertain such feelings. Success unfor- their conduct towards the unfortunate Portuguese.— tinguished General who formed and executed it, and (Hear, h e ar!)—Sure was he that there did not cola tunately led to anticipations of extravagant r esults ; worthy of' the success with which it had been crown- .to the expectation of fresh coalitions, and the certain an opinion, public or private, at variance with the ed. He was happy, therefore, to acknowledge the . downfal of the Emperor of France. It was not a mo tives upon which their Meeting was grounded.— sense he entertained of the great and conspicuous , common-place, theretore, to state to such rulers, and The object of their assembling was not to adopt any talents of Lord Wellington ; aftd to add the tribute I under such circumstances, that the end of all war was new measure, but to forward the Subscription which of his humble admiration and applause, to that well. ! p eace . possibly had been so munificently and honourably commence , ' earned fame which his eminent services had so deser- .He should not say. for no man cou ld ; undertake to say, that peace was atta i n able ; but he in the City of London. It had been the opinion of vedly acquired fur him. He could not better express many, that to call a Meeting at the west - end of the himself as to the sense he entertained of Lord Wel- would contend that we ought to try.. There were many instances to be found in history of persons ac. town would further that Subscription • and upon that ceding in a moment of pressure to terms which u nder , lington's merits, than by quoting the words of an elo . principle, be thought it perfectly right that the Meet. quent young Member, who promised to become an , other circumstances would not have been listened to. ing had been convened. In his opinion, there was ornament of that House, though he must beg leave no kind of sympathy which was not due from the in. Let the trial, then, be made. Of this he was quite to deny that Member's premises, that any invidious s ur e , habitants of this soil toward the inhabitants of Pm. feeling existed in any quarter with respect to Lord that many o pportunities of obtaining peace had been lost, and that the trial had not yet been made. tugal. (Hear, hear!) Whether we looked to the Wellington ; the words he meant were, " invicfiam He thought he could discern in the present moment misery to which they had been reduced , the devasta zloria seperavit." Upon this question he felt himself , something favourable to that purpose. The pre ssure tions which had taken place in their country , die called upon to say, that in the moment o f e l a tion for upon the French Government, and our great success, causes of the unprincipled invasion of their territory, success, we should not forget that moderation which their patient endurance of those calamities , or the rendered the present a rod occasion for making th e should belong to us under all circumstances—we brave and patriotic conduct which had been e vi nced should not lose sight of that , which , in his mind, trial : and thinking so , he should not have done his duty, it he had abstained from stating this opinion. by the whole nation, constituting not less a case of ought never to have been broken, an opinion enter- I Mr. W. SMITH remarked, that considering how misfortune than a glorious example of triumph-otheir rained by him from the first , and whic h, in his judge notorious the state of the Government and people of claims for commiseration and assistance were alike went, might OR many occasions during the war have i Sicily was, he thought it wisdom and sound policy forcible; more particularly when their unfortunate si. been accomplished—he meant. peace. We should 'to urge such reformation' as might be effected with- tuation was the necessary result of a system of opera• never forget, that the only legitimate object of all war ' out tumult, and convince the Sicilians how much the tions which it was found expedient to resort to, al is peace. This consideration was in any war descry. ; British were interested in their favour. British troops the best mode of defence ; and which, from being at , ing of serious consideration, but more particularly " I would then be considered as friends, and the inhabi. tended with the desired effect, increased the aggro's. in the present oppressed internal state of this country, tants would always be ready to ass i s t them on an don of the enemy, and gave rise to a succession of and in the distressed state of the whole world. I t emergency. He should have been gl ad to have heard cruelties and atrocities, as dis lto humanity, ; was his opinion, that we ought to endeavour t o use whether any effectual representation had been made as they wine incon sistent with t e usa g es of warfare. our late success for the attainment of the desirable ' , iin favour of the people of Sicily —for if their condition (Hear, heo !) We onyht to regard the sufferings object of peace. How that was to be done , i t w as • but it was his sincere con- I were considerably ameliorated, the isl a n d, and even and successes of that unfortunate people as our own , not for him to determine viction, that it ought alw ays ' to be in our view; and i the Government, would be more safe, and our defence and to use e v e r y exertion to heal the wounds of the 'of both would be much more easy. With this per. .affiicted. The only dielculty that seemed to arise that if we were sincere in our wishes for peace, it ! suasion on the part of the people, the troops there was with regard to the promotion of the object in might, as at various other times, be now attainable. I would be equal in effect to double their number, and view. Many thought, that a Subscription, however He had felt it his duty to say thus much, both upon we should be subject to much less expence both in , extended, would be ineffectual. It these apprehen.. the motion before the Committee, and with respect to i 1 the vote of Friday, which he considered as in some ; men and money . - Some small inconvenience there 1 :ions stood in the way, all exertions would cease, and degree connected with it ; but should not divide the I might, perhaps be, in adverting to the state of the it would be impossible to repair any of the calamities had been experienced. If it were possible, House on this occasion. i Governmen t and People of the island so openly—but w hich l Alleviate the wretchedness The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER lin a large view of the matter the advantages were in- even in a slight degree, to , did not think that any Honourable Member could comparably greater. It was upon these principles that ! of the sufferers, that alleviation should not be with did Hon. Friend and himself felt themselves called held, but should be afforded to the utmost pos sible gave any opposition to the vote he had proposed, a dministere d, the feel founded as it was upon the express stipulations of a . upon thus publicly to state what benefits might be de- extent. From an alleviation so . solemn treaty, which had received the sanction of that need, not only-to Sicily, but to this country, from an , ings of mutual affection and regard, which had th al- . I ready been cemented between the Portuguese and is . House. Under these circumstances, he was not sue- ame li oration of the Sicilian Government. 1 Prised that the Honourable Member had not taken Sir THOMAS TURTON bad expected to have " country, by the common blood spilt in the same cause, the extraordinary course of calling upon the House to heard that some representation had been made. If ; w ou ld be doubly strengthened, and an additional cor would bind that withhold a grant, guaranteed by a treaty, during the If' we had been connected continuance of the war. He could not help, however, 6' • to t ' as allies, there might be considerable e jections out stn people, from gratitude and admirationon everlasung expressing his regret, that the Honourable Gentleman But when we defended them as 'inn- ; ity to Great Britain.. The Noble Marquis then interference. had felt it necessary to express himself in the strong le gitimate object to recom. ; apologized for having trespassed on the attention of cipals, it was a perfectly terms which he had used, with respect to the Sicilian mend to them such amendments as would s would mate ri ally '. the Meeting ; bet feeling that the most effectual Government and people. If any thing could make contribute to that defence. He wou ld have suggested d • 'le to adopt, would be to state the events that had the defence of that country more difficult to British taken place, he had endeavoured so to do ; sad hay such alterations as were essential to the e ff ectual e . . 1 troops, it must be the employment of such language, fence of the island . There was hardly an officer in in made that statement, he begged leave to read the which, by holding up. the Government as the most Sicily, he had heard, Resolutions, which are is the Front cf this Palter. the British army serving in as . , ernment of thsland • The Resolutions were then read by his Royal High. profligate, and the people as most oppressed, was cal • who did not consider the Gov . Naples. n the Duke of Yoek, iraousl and agreed to unan r t culated to disunite the Government and the pl o t, as more to be feared than all the Murat in. Committee and thereby to weaken those efforts, which by '' The general opinion among them likewise was, as he intoand a was accor dingly appointed to turf cordial co-operation for common defence might beef: I understood, that Sicily ought either Withto be evacuated • effect the said Resolutions. ficient. The effect of the British support of the Ski- han ds. regard to the Mr. ROWCROFT begged that Gentlemen would lty or taken into our our own hithertohad been the preservation' s gun ' few lion Governme nt address ai' of Sicily independent of France. With respect to the , more favourable tkan another, it was when we were bating publicly to the proposed fund ; and called upon the subject of , statement of the Honourable Gentleman as to the vote I that he could I successful. The occasion, he thought, called for an them to give in their names with the amount of tlMt of Friday, he could not forbear to express his s ense o f , effort to ascertain whether France would yield the in- intended Subscriptions fort wt the grant pro- ! the very proper manner in which that Hon. Gentleman ' After a short pause, the illustrious Chairman ev dependence of Spain. He would not crouch at the enter into any I I had given his unqualified applause and approbation to ' horted the Meeting to lose no time ing ttin feet of France, and crave a peace—but this was a frequently used . the conduct of Lord Wellington—an approbation and i time when they might propose to France to ac k n ow-much more I , applause equally creditable to,the object of it, as to 1 their names, upon which, Mr. Pullet., well wit . ledge the independence of the Peninsula with some in a certain Assembly, said, se Well, come, I'll *en! irable Members : the Hon. Member himself-4nd certainly more un- I chance, however small, of success. He was not afraid expressing his qualified, than there was reason to have expected I put down John Fuller, of Rose Hill, for tBlOO, and to encounter whatever unpopularity might at the let every man put down what he can afford ; if it Lte of elation to ' even from the liberality and candour of the Honour. I time attach to that opinion. As to the grant under but Ss. if he can afford no more, it will be As cto by our recent a bl e G ent l eman . I n the name of Lord Wellington, `, consideration, he did not see how i t could now be re- Bitable to him as if he had been upon an equality bent upon that therefore, he begged leave to thank the Hon. Gen - ' fused. He would say nothing farther, therefore, on With myselfr"— the chterr.)—The exampl e of e a feeling was L eman f or t h e ver y handsome manner in which he ' th at p oint, the countr y not being yet prepared for a worthy Member was followed by other persons i n s influence of a . bestowed the tribute of his approbation upon his con- 1 resolution, either to evacuate the island, or take it the room, and before fouro'clock te377 I. Ss. of moderation . duct. Upon the subject of the general topics alluded 1 into our own hands, unless some alterations favourable subscribed. a moment of leave to by the Hon. Gentleman, every Hon. hlember, h e ,to the people could be made in its Government. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE then begged under considera- was persuaded, would agree with him as to the pro- I Resolution agreed to, and Report ordered for to- to propose one more Resolution, which he was con. voting so large a • olre priety of observing moderation under all circumstan- 1 MM . " , vinced would be agreed to with as much plea A to know to ces : but neither he could think, nor he believed any IRISH PRESENTMENTS. as any of the former. His Lordship then moved, ,e when we were be gives other Hon, Member, or any man in the country, with Sir JOHN NEWPORT adverted to an Act of that the Thanks of the Meeting should , his • it was butfor his the Hon. Gentleman, that this was precisely the mo. Parliament, requiring that the Presentments of Grand to his goyal Highness the DUKE OP YORE, - should be used went favourable to the a ttainment of the object pro- I Juries in Ireland should be transmitted to the Irish 'gracious condescension in taking the Chair that d ay. g .. the Government fessed by the Hon. Member. No Gentleman would Secretary, for the purpose of being laid betere Par- This Resolution was agreed to with the watme pressions under which think of denying, that the only legitimate object of Lament. He wished to know why this had not approbation, and the Meeting adjourned. t _ Aired were to be all war was a safe and honourable peace ; but if the. been done ?—(NO answer). The question really de- Amongst other distinguished persons preten we 7 overnment corrected, o Committee, as he was persuaded it was, should be of served an answer, as the provision Of an Act 'of ?ar.: the Pqk of e Grafton, the Duke of Montrose. M c the Government opinion t h at the Lament moment was not favourable lament had not been complied with. Earl of Buckinghamshire, the Marqtais of Stafford. ersally, that there th at NJ to o bj ec t , he could not considee the discussien of Mr. wELLtsuy POLE wished the Honour, . Lora Viseount Sidmouth, Lord Kinnoul, • distance, a mere that topic useful on ibis occasion, .-• • ,- able Baronet bad given him some Mice of ;lus t wt. tom Lord Castlereagh, Sir Wm, Scott, Itc. Ac, of Re .dered to Bridges which .a, Mr. tzht up td after- From cer minty of ive their r against severity offence. _ e orttrolty of description In this , that a .ssex !ter, case, and rirpose of spe- bar, was thatfact. ' against the purpose Wit which the House 'nes, was totes had 1, that Sir Lordships' resorted to side. morrow to the - were in his of the re- Lordship? te and passed. order of the Gold Bullion the Irish Loan ) be read a Shi time, and or- lots from the A. George.— itd to-morrow Inland Navigation second tine, and the R epresenta , Office in Ireland, Probates ef Wills, account of the week he should w inquire into the Theatres- accrued to the it/ANTON, that amount of Bank , each month, in it Bills. Bank was with on the ground ad another ac under. 3e House an Ae- , c irculation in the distinguishing Notes - ant of Notes in :b. 1910. Also, Gold and Sil year 1931 to the Bank. a Committee Sicilian Ma -oth of June, :terra. CHEQUER to propose iformly recnived since the con• )mittee. lie .ommittee with , subject, but the Committee I enable him to said Treaty, IRISH STAGE-COACR RILL. The Report of the Irish Stago.coarh Bin was brought op. Mr. HERBERT opposed the second reading of tba Amend ments. A division took Owe; when, RI Members only being present, the House adjourned. The Committee of Privileges, to whom the Petition of the Freeholders of Wexford was referred,reported— .6 That the fact of Mr. Am:emu's lunacy being established by a Commission of Lunacy, under the (heat Seal of Ireland, and the Committee having examined Dr. R. I). Watts, and other Medical Attendants upon Mr. ALCOCK, are of opinion that Mr. Atcoce's malady, though severe and aggravated by Its long eon. tinuatice, cannot at present be thought as incurable. That In the course of this investigation, the Commiue have endeavoured to ascertain what has been the law and practice of Parilanient, In eases similar to the present, and find that the House of Corn mons appears uniformly to have inquired into the aatore of the alledged malady, sad to have granted or refused a new writ, ac cording as there seemed to be a permanent, or temporary imps city in the Member previously returned." , I • . al , atilifiNaMlol 101.011.11• M D4RLIAMENTART PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY 1. The Earl of CARDIGAN took the oaths and his seat. Mr. M'CASN presented at the bar the Annual Account e teipts and Expences from the Chest at. Greenwich.—Order lie on the table Mr. RICKMAN, from the Commissioners for Building B In the Highlands of Scotland, presented certain Papers, , Were ordered to lie on the table. Mr. VANSITTAAT, Mr. SWAN, Lord LevesoN GOWER Gout, and others, from the House of Commons, broug several Private Bills, whisk were laid upon the table, and Wards read the first time. BLEACHING. The Marquis of HERTFORD presented a Petition fro f taro individuals possessing Bleaching Grenada in the Cot Antrim, its Ireland, praying that their Lordships would gill sanction to'the Bill for mitigating the severity of the law ateolint , from Bleaching Grounds; it also stated, that the s was so great at present as to prevent prosecutions for that 4 Lord HOLLAND said he should take an early opportt presenting l'etitions from persons of the same deseriptioa I country. 1, I] 'lle Petition was ordered to lie on the t a b le: ROXBURGH PEERAGE. The LORD CHANCELLOR observed, .1 Petition had been presented from Lady Esse against several Appeals in the Roxburgh call he should now move, " 'lln the Agent be called to the bar, .for the purpOs, drying the Appeals to which the Petition alluded." The Agent, Mr. DOBIE, appearing at the b. i interrogated by the LORD CH ANC rum alto tit He answered, that the Petition was intended ' all the Appeals respecting the Estate. The LORD CHANCELLOR then move " That the Petition be returned to the Agent, for th, Of having specified therein the particular Appeals again it was presented; and that the sante be returned to th to-morrow."—Ordered. I Mr. SPOTriswooDE, Agent tc Sir James Inc also called to thii bar, and asked if Sir Jan • been served heir to the estate ? He answered, • James had been served, according to their Lc order • since which proceedings had been re: by General Ker and others on the opposite s • It was ordered, that he present to-morro House such proceedings in the service as wt possession in London. It was also ordered, that all the Agents c speetive parties in this case attend at their L , bar tamorrow.—Adjourned till to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The Slave Trade Felony Bill was read a third time A Person from the Mint presented, pursuant to c House, several Accounts relative to the amount of C • imported. Ordered to lie on the Table. Mr. LUSHINGTON brought up the Report of tht , Bill, which was agreed to, and the Bill ordered to It time to-morrow. I The Royal Naval Asylum Bill was read a second a dered to he committed to a Select Committee. I.` , 1 • Sir PETER MURRAY presented certain Aecour East-India House, respecting transactions at Fort St Ordered to lie on the Table. • 1 Mr. WHARTON moved, that the House should resolve itself into a Committee on t he London Intone Acts.—Ordered. $ , The Irish Lunatic Marriages Bill was read a seem ordered to be committed to-morrow. Sir JOHN NEWPORT moved for copies of the tions made to the Commissioners of the Stamp OM( ti as to the evasion of the duties on Legacies and Prob in the years 1809. 10 , and 11, to g ether with an ace ' s measures that had been taken in consequence. 1 THEATRES. Mr. TAYLOR gave notice, that to-morrow wet I bring forward a motion for a Select Committee to the state of the Rights and Privileges claimed by t Royal, and also what Benefits or Disadvantages at public in consequence of these rights. BANK OF ENGLAND NOTES. f Ordered, on the motion of Mr. HENRY THOR: there be laid tame the House an Account of the ant I of England Notes in circulation on the first. day of ea the years 1781 and 1782, distinguishing Bank Post : 'like Account presented last Monday from the Ea; drawn, on the motion of Mr. VANSITEA.RT, o, that it was not so perfect as It mi g ht be made ; and i mount ordered, distinguishing Notes of £5, and un, llt was also ordered, that the r e he laid before the I ; i count of the average Amount o f Bank Notes in dm 1 ; years 1798, 1799, 1809, 1801, and 1802, disting; f r under XS. Also an Account of the average Amoun circulation in the three years ending the Ist of Feb. I I,' a Copy of any Information 'respecting the Price of 1! ver Bunion, and the Rates o f Excha ng e from the ye; Isar 1746, which may be in the possession of the R 't i SICILIAN SUBSIDY, 'The House having resolved itself into a of Supply, to which the Treaty with his S 1 ! jesty presented to the House, on the 10t1 1808, by Mr. Secretary Canning, was rest - . 1 1 The CHANCELLOR of the EXC rose, and observed, that the vote he was •ik was the same with that which had uniforn the sanction of Parliament every year sit ; , elusion of the treaty referred to the Comr :. I should, therefore, not trouble the Com . i any unnecessary observations upon the I simply mov?, that it is the opinion of the . • that there be granted to his Majesty, to ei • . ; fulfil the engagements contained in the : , a sum not exceeding £400,000. On the question being put, Mr. WHITBREAD, in rising to ad observations to the Committee upon th. this vote, did not entertain any hope tl I i n duce the Committee to dissent from di • ; • posed : neither was it his intent ion to Cl !; of those arguments which he had fret upon this subject, and which had been forcibly urged by many other Honourab but at the same time he could not help e . . opinion, that, notwithstanding the state • • which the public mind had been raised I successes, it was peculiarly incumben , , • -"Mouse to guard against the effect such likely to produce, and to prevent the it just exultation from abating that spirit c which best became a great nation in . . success. With respect to the vote um tion, he was of opinion, that when voti sum as a subsidy to Sicily, they ought what objects it was applied. At a time , It affording such aid and protection to Sic • right that every practicable endeavour s .• to procure a redress of the abuses of the . i •of that country. Unless the oppression ~. the inhabitants of that country labourec removed, and the vices of the Governor it was absolutely impOssible that 04 could stand. It was known universal •'; , i wos not ;Wiwi-not ever had been in oil i __ . • _..., ._sosesiwommamosa RELIEF OF THE PORTIIGUILIE. 74 4 . 4 r