Star. — London, England, 1804-06-09 00:00:00

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The IlVadist Clonhis• MI ten edged to be read a for that co Ilienty son Mr. Sint nod Is as Anon of tip anon el the Weft loft Palos impanel nee die Onstry Iran zft otJawasy Woe. inn net pont oe nigh itzt= g lL eiL etede. op, an aue *eail , the indoeysit of bog* est anent of 11Wo esd MAW less ielikaley mt. • Mr. DIUMDAdf sees& net 41118 Cennwes w eb inkrierwar nil. be ninon to Mosby mosso a fine asnoinote sidinesseedifylobsowais 11111, for Min gnosis he istel e dn he eon illirbehemar doom Aker booltinedoes froisip"WMllialinLableohni and mien. the Medea wee doe. air LAWltalelt ?ADJOIN arid an dm Fern Wel leg es Miami awe Tiede, width ewe gesigoil WI& ilia. lOW thr rib Megleld. lied! be *Mint dee Os et the adimbeemeOedirei --- - Tall LATS. sataeassit taus Sir WILLIAM LLTOAD ranisded is haste itliat be bad on a former day intimate Ma istsedas of bringing forward a Isaias relative to die seeded et the tate Board of Admiralty, aft the Mead of termite perfons from their litestitas soda bib ebb etenhanals as appeared to him as he wertityaf the attention 4 the Houk. Me aim Wormed the Heels that be thooght it necdfary, with dear parasiek to withdraw that. notice. The refpee whidt he owed to the Hoare induced him to explaia vete were his JiliMiTer for wilbing to withdraw his saw His original intention was twofold, fwa to ashooolli to z=e the difasiffal of GO peaces if the Mete in opinion with him as to the impro priety Z: s tir coodue, and fecoadly, to obtain re !refs for the perfons who bad Catered, and for whom he appealed to du liberalitg and jailing of the Houle. The former part of his idled was obtained by the change of the leading men in the Cabinet prodoeiog a change in that Board silo ; and for the latter part he trolled to the honourable intentioss el the new Board of Admiralty. He ihould, therefore, with Irate of the Houfe, withdraw his motion for the pre fent. It he Should chance to be difapplinted in his hopes,* Gould renew his notice, or bring forward famething elfe that would as fufficiently anfwer what he conceived to be the end of Julliee in the safe.— Leave Granted: Mr. JAMES FITZGERALD moved for a return of the names of perfons who had been appointed as commiffioners for the payment of an allowance fur certain towns and places ,which formerly font Mem bers into the Ira Parliament, but which do not, in confequence of the Ae of Union, fend reprefentatives into the Parliament of the United Kingdom, with an account of the amount of the different fuels which they bad paid by virtue of theiroffice, audio whom; 1 and alto an account of the Calories whiett are paid to Inch Cornmitlioners. Sir JOHN WROTTESLEY obferved, that it was an ufual aft of eourtefy for Members to avoid being ing forward any musical of impottanoa which might I be fpoken to by perfons in othcial fturatioas, in the abfence of fuch perfons. There was no perces then prefect who held any public office in the Ira Go vernment ; and he left it to the candour of the Hon. Gentleman to decide, if it would not be more fair and liberal either to wait until fame furl perfon was relent, or elk to barely, for the prefentmve a notice that he woold bringforward fuch a motion on Come Hated future day. Mr. CALCRA FT and Mr. FOSTER urged the inconvenience of waiting and poliponiug bufiness from day to day, on account of the lib:vice of particular Members. After fonie further coneerfatioo, the notice was fled for Mon.tay next. 6 The Bill for atthorifing the fate of the Arehbillbsp of Dublin's enlace, was read a third time and paw. Mr. G. ROST , . Rated that an %moveable Member of that Hoak And ae“pted of • plate that was not Ss &redly under the Crown, but that other Members had, at dares* times, held foe\ Atm. tens without vacating their feat. However, m there might be i .me difference of ..pinion upon the tato" be amid Munk the r.fe to the &Tifton orate Houfe. Mr. BA NKES Paid that at prefect the Hoare mild net be able to form an op:nioo as to bow far the AO of g...f . 0111 Anne might bear upon the rate. He therefore recommended it to the Hon. Member to move fora day, upon wbkh the Houle might go Into . Committee on the particular cafe to which he alluded. Mr. ROSE acquicieed, and Monday was then appointed. I After the Houle had pasted fur Coma time, Mr. ruLLEK. enquired if the Right Honourable C:ntleman whn had promifed to bring forward a tuition refpereing the hills Linen Matrufareare was Frefent In bring .t forward ? Mr. FOSTER allured the Honourable Member . . . . . t . Irk, , ' . •') 4 1 ' (• - ,) , Ac 14 t • ~._,.,/ 4.1 e _ 4Pr ' ---.,.,,,,,_ -c, .... .• •., ....:, . . . _._.,.. ,_e•L_... ..t --r.. that he was as anxious to forward that roeisfui, any other perfon could poffibly ibe. but that he h► waited Co long oo account of the abfenee of the Chan calor of the Exchequer. However, as there did not amsr to be any ether bufinefs then before tht, Houfe, and as the Honourable Member had expret fed a with that the quefilon &sold be put, he hoolff then move that the Order of the Day for the Hoof* • into a Committee on the Petitions of the rid: Linen Manufaaurers in Ireland be then rota '•ditto a Committee of the whole Houfe.--Tbis *hired ; and jun as the Houfe had refolved itfelf Iliao the Committee. Mr. Pitt entered: Mr. FOSTER then fisted the hardhips to which the petitioners would be fubjedied, if the foot end a half per teat. duty was continued. They only -111 . 01 t the high/ad the Engin taaaaradueers enabled top in the Oreign markets epos eq Amin frith other nations, and - that'' *old trait the re& to the excellence of their fahrim The trade had. n fait, detained Co much with% diefe few yeses, that bethought it would be fitter to give them a bplincy on exportation, for the encouragement of the maw Whim and commerce of the country, than to liy en any additional duty. He only *Med, at prefent to' extend the benefit of the pnopofed law to the aide with America, the Wen Indies, Spain and P°11.110.1 and that the traders of both theft countries Mount participate in thofe benefits in the foreign markets. Sir ROBERT PEEL declared that he &Gold be very forry to oppofe any indulgence which was is tended to be granted to that very ufeful branch of hilt maanfadure. He was apprelienfive, howevet, that blame a trade which might in future trench to . much upon the interens of another branch. (the Cat too Menufaeures) • that Parliament might pethapi hereafter be induced to pot a cheek upon the former for the encouragement of the latter. Sir JOHN NEWPORT Lid, that he could noires 'the poffibility of the Cotton trade being injured by the t of the Linen Manufeaure. Mr. POBIER obferved, that the duty was laid on Co differently match of theft articles, that there could leat be any fair consarifon between them. Geode- I men famed to thi that they were running a race ,together; bet fur his part he only withed that the articles of commerce of the United Kingdom,' lhoskd 1 r fairly into competition with thofe of other =hone, a the Foreign Market. He did not ever with to he any race run between thernfelvesbut the fair raintif , liberality. Mr. ORMSBY and Mr. DAWSON followed with • fentiments nearly to the fame effell. The Petitions were then paged through the Cow -1 nate,. The Haste renamed, the Report was brought , op and agreed to. and leave given to bring in a Bill to exempt Irith Linens from duty on exportation.— Mr. Totter. Mr. Alexander. Sir John Newport, and other IriteMenthers were ordered to prepare and bring in the fame. Mr. FULLER moved, that an humble Addrefs be prefented to his Majeny. praying that he will be ssoit gracionlly pleated to order, that Copies of all kelt papers as bad been receive d 4y his Majetty's refpriting the late Treaty. foppofed to have been entered into with General Deffalines, and alfo. of all the correfpondence that has taken place between him and General Forbes. . The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ad mitted the fag, that Come overtures had been made. but obferved, that he was not prepared now to lay any papers upon the fuhjed before the Houle. With this explanation the former Honourable Member expreffed himfeif fatisfied, and there the matter dropped. DITINCS OT TNI COUNTRY. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved, that the Order of the Day for the iecond reading of the Bill for the General Defence of the Empire be then read. On the Tuition being put from the Chair, Mr. CALCRAFT raid, that it 'gave him the greaten fatisfaBion when he firft heard that ouch a meafure was in the contemplation of his Majeny's Minikes. Ever fince the great acceflion of neength ' which had been obtained by the adminillration of the country, (for he could by no means agree to calling it a new Adminiltration), be confeffed. that he look ed up to them in expeaation of tome important una rm for the defence of the nation, or for the more alive and I carrying on of war. After all that he had heard, however, about new meafures for 'dive exertions- s aafter all that he had heard about the extenfive plan and formidable pollure of defence for the country, and after all that he expeoed from the superior talents of the Right Honourable Gentleman, he fairly admitted that he felt hinsfelf extremely difappointed at finding that the meafure which was fubmitted to the Houfe was nothint bet ter than a fubditute for the army of referee, the aft for railing which it bad been thought neceffary to fuifiend. Only fixteen thoufaud men more could poffibly have been expcfted to be railed by that ad ~and by filling up the deficiency of the militia, that is to fay. coon for the former and 7000 for the latter Bet when the Right Honourable Gentleman bad taken another mode of railing the men ; he bad thought proper to retort to the mode which had been adopted in the year 5795 for railing wen to recruit the navy, that is by the means of the , pari& officers. How could it pollibly be expected that the pennies would have it in their power to bring men forward by this means, when they could not be moved at the time that the ballot was hanging over their head? Betides this, there was an inconvenience, and an in confinency in the very foundation of the plan ; for a man was to be allowed to go only from one certain battalion into another equally certain. The one mull ofcnurfe, from its nature, be in Great Britain, Ire land, &c . whereas the other might perhaps be in the Eall Indies. He really did not underhand what were the grounds of the Right Hon. Gentleman's hopes of fuccefs in aecomplithing there objetis with out great expence, delav, and inconvenience. The regulations with refreo to the par& officers who ovoid haie terra& mat t he thought could not by any !Deans prevent them into giving, if not as high bounties as before , at lean filch an advance beyond 'the bounty allowed as .Would brin k f i,j i i t er ;wt e in the amount of the fi ne which they won ' have `to pay for deficiencies. He thought is • fee it would turn out to he an unequal tax upon one pert lof the community, for the ptsrpofe of parse what 0* to be levied bf a cast An An Itlea. Gentleman (Hr. 5011). whom be trbd, sot then fee in his plarA eery properly compar 'ed this new levy to that dike goon twee in 1795. Their numbers were then very as far as he recolleited, thoo¢ be amid not rashly Rate the , antouat of their curacy. What hollowed i mpl a se t facceediogicar was too boobs lOW bee, [maul ofrowGendemosin Ala Ifewiew leofeee/th namely ' to *Robe the particulars at WO calamity. easy generally biased that the, whole of that was to be etcrilsed to the ilellgs of she quota men Mate lii inftaace. He had heard. the contrary, however, stetted, and thereon hi' would not be poUtive ; but this be would fay, that, from the very manner in which they were. collate‘ there were no fet of men mere likely to be the ring. .I leaders 'of a tranfitaion that was fo contrary to the Atonal feelings of every &hi& Gino, and every M. ttb Sadler. They were well known to be the vwp fent% and gleanings of the with in which each r0.,1 fp&vely was railed. The quelico, **reface, was] limply ail, whether the Right Hon. Gentleman MC any (mirky, or even any well grounded , hope, thaa' his military quota men would be.of a better denri deo than the naval quota men of mos He w with the Honourable Gentleman to take alto into his contoderation the propriety of mastitis it part able prepoltion that &Idlers mould be eobiled to di amount fpeeified for a Unshed time, but for ferrite with refpest to (pace. This he thoughtg induce men the more readily to enter,. and more efe&ually aawer the .purpoles o f the If the Wei Indies was oxide a diftioia part of oar military fervics, be thought that that alb wooklim voindocement to men to enter. It was his °Finis that by thefe means the full gawky of .be reallny obtained without running the had already deferibed, and without the extraortroapty trouble and unequal prefure of expence which was likely to be created by the pram Bill. He *iald not uefpafs longer on the time of the Hoofs the, while he declared that he felt it to be his slaty be thofeseafons mon arenuoaly to oppole the tweing of the bill now before the Hoofs. Sir R. BUXTON denied that the men to ba railed' by the regent Bill could be fairly •ana ao tits quota men of ryoe. A very material Ma' Mos was to be fees in the manner in which the two bodies of men were railed. The quota men were railed at the expence of the pariah with the dread of a very heavy penalty if they were not raifed within a limited period; the print officers, therefore, had recourfe to extra ordinary mean to obtain them. The men to be railed by the prefent 511 were to be raifedat the expence of Government—the pariffi officers were only made the inftruments of railing them ; and if any duty was im poled without a fine being impofed in Pat of failure or negled to perform that duty, there was but little ufe in laying that the duty fhould be performed by one perfon more than another. There was befides this, a great good to be fora in this meafure, which the Hon. Gentleman had teemed entirely to over look ; the ballot which formerly excited to much ap prehenfion in the minds of the public, would be now put an end to. The effeas of the Bill would not be, as formerly, to throw the burden entirely on the poor, but would place them on an equal footing with the rich, as far as the operation of the Bill went. From a due confederation of the Rate of the country, from the abfolute neceftity which he faw for reifies an ad ditional military force at the paint period, and from the excellence of the plan propofed, he Mould give it his moll hearty fupport. Mr. YORKE declared, that in riling on the pre fent occafion it was not at all his intention to give any thing like rations oppofition. It was a princi ple which he Ihoold always hold, that it was the duty of every one to fupport the Government, if be was fatisfied that their rneafures were calculated to pro mote the interefts of the country. Confillently. however, with the opinions which he had formerly delivered refpeding the defence of the country, and the idea which he bad formed of this Bill, from the (Dort confideration which he had been able to give it, he could not afford it his rapport. Some parts of the meafure he certainlyldid approve of, while others were of a nature which did not teem to him to be en• tertained by the Houle. He confeffed that the idea of calling men for limited fervke might, if properly organized, be produdive of the greateft advantage ; and he allowed that filch was the fyftem adopted by all the great military powers of Europe. Still the pradicability of recruiting the army effectually by this plan, was a matter of doubt. A fcheir.e, in• deed, of reparating colonial from general service had been in agitation, and 'educed to pra6uce mig:it produce very important confequences- Till, howe ver, that was effected, we moil look to other means of keeping up our regular military force. Till curb a meafure was brought about, he did not fee how, in dependent of ballot, this supply conla be regularly obtained. It was never attempted ii any of the countries in Europe to keep tip the army by volun tary offers of fervice. In Auftria. io Proffia, in France. in Ruffia, compulfory mesfum were uni formly reforted to. and a ballot more or leis eaten five was employed for the porpofe. Wi‘hout fuch a meafure. the military eftablifknent of thefe coun tries could never have been preferved ; and, in the prefent circumftances of this country ballot, was equally neeettary to keep up fuch so army as our prefent natation insperioully demanded. As a friend to the Militia fyfteos. as well as to the Army of Re feree, be could not but think that the ballotting fyf. tem ought to have been retained. But to diredt his olderrotices mac pat ticularly to the quatioa, he de- V. Ailed din to the genera p a t i Ortf the 111114. sp free* obiefin. Na dIS . 1110 to the 112110 UM of the men propelled' is be WWI feemsdy, as to the mow of tharbsieg railed teal shied , as to the time in which the .sailor had both bats forward. Before be proceeded to scabs • tow • on thee points be boned ken ter elf, *Lit was pretty generally Oland that osier the meals es of the late Gave/neat, a degree 4 kinky as applicable to any forage danger bad ban nbtabed, and we had cone to that his whide called on us to look to our gads of porided ib ditto:4We turce. The *eget formerle waist Om admitted to have beat et lad to far aimed as to gin sat art • y twang an anolies as a ree fer sesiddift bid hem* ei to Mb 4c* cehabited te asset thebutht=t." het to as fee aey feteme_ ta ~hisb we, might to b . . . it wsswltfi dis wens that the • was istanasonb and the Hoek were called en to view it as die feestedia eta rear mit Military Effabfillemeni. /a this light he neibbetal it, and viewiag it Ist* light he mama ko arikrate peat obkrvatkes. The Was se el an= to be tailed was the irk greadvt whidthe bed to his spiel del& lbw anis, to him to be me rem to be at alleoldil- Z lP :ith .d the maiden( kir die main ann. Ilt sae resisted that the tt.' A y r mimed to dreskaid for England si•dthapfeed ter haelL Is chit cafe there be. a dmindes Me the anent of tinny theekeff*r laglead. wink dsedieeksedoe fat Bolden wield he is the aniebot of fen theefind. This anther it was kne‘ii throw abegabar lase the Army of Refine. by Ishii antagemeni the mean would be aegmemed to as kb Wu fray cis theofised. This was ea f meet which be leseld sot IB E: t for eri: *Hy interfered with die :21egthe lea gitlear Army sad for_tiat _Merin. the ammiters witty new •nd i r e labeli te, ir the easisits weitett by The of theakfideansia bah , breaches of the wee. Its decker. Leff, en Ring isdecemen ter him to prorate the !Iletinfica of" Ilts Amy at Phew for mai year. With sewn to the reeprint rendes et 3bn boas. be had to aajeeirnots eho meff be did sot fee that leanes tho whisk. amber tot forty-eight, wailed be ante ltd with any bad tentativeness. But whet be objeded to was, the throwing an the vanivies as they matron to be filled up. is the Army of Reeve. If the Army of Itekne were thus to be toppeeted, it was eine Offs. es talk of Stag node nip* army. which. sew that oar maim of inened defame wen atim• was athelited as all heeds to be the great eis. numbers If it was etsempen to in up the of the Army of Referee to the moues pro. poled, he had so diffinity in deckling' It as his opi nion. that the attempt would be wally ditappoiated. With mord to the mode is which the men were.te be raile4 be bad as equally din& *Whim He was convinced, that is prepped., as she kw:bye( the prosifions of the Army - of Rehm Ailt were Edna, the plan of filling up the defile:seeks would became altogether nugatory. As Hos. f rind of his (Ss L Buxton) bad congratulated the Honk as the ides that, as the plan now end. it would relate the Lad owner from the knit prefers under which, by the rovificies of the Referee Aft, he bad laboured. He himfelf confeffed that he • was rather st a lia(s to ie• dertiand how this was to be dated. The' lady el ficacious ptisciple of the plan as it nowise" is the i °Min of the foe. is cafes when &talkiest _amber of men were not procured. If the fine was to be Is. vied at all, it sal be levied principally ea the hied Amen, and this being the cafe, it was sat way sift to fee is what the latencies adserted to by the Hos. Baronet angled. The preket means appeared ot him to have in its mode of exaction a made:able affinity to the Quota BM. It had been kid that as Hon. Friend near him (Mr. Addisigtoo) had as a formes night declared, that eat one tenth oldie nem ber of men to be railed by the Bill bad beespronsed. Undoubtedly this atertion is not to be taken in she full extent. Co far as the recruits for the army lad navy were concerned As to the navy, nearly the quota numbers were procured; but it was very dif ferent indeed with the army. It was tree that about 7000 men were railed ; but then, out of this sum. ber, not more than taoo men were retained as effi cient for military (entice. He bad radon to be lieve, that when he reckoned the number fo high, he. rather over-rated than dintiniffied their amount. At this moment the whole remains of thefe recruits which had been cenneßed with different corps, were embodied in the 6111 regiment at Malta, and their whole number was not above boo. With theta faille before them, he called on the Houk to confider how far it would be proper, under the eaidiniciremellie. ces of the country, tole) , .fade the balloting fyllon He salted, whether it was poffible reafonably to se pta that we ihould, independent of compulfory mem. lures, have fuch an army as all profited anxious to fee ellabliffied ? The principle of the Militia efiablifh ment was founded on ballot. It was rscogeikd and acknowledged by the wifdom of our ancellors. It had on many occalions been the grand fource of our fecu. city. At the commencement of a war, it enabled us to preferve our tank and coefequence in the kale of Nations. It was not therefore wife nor politic to give up a certainty for an uncertainty. to relinquial what bad been proved, for either what had not been tried, or had been tried end totally failed. As to the bounty propofed to be given to thole who volunteered their Cervices, there was TlOthitli novel in the plan. The fame regulation, though to a Ifs extent. had pre , scaled fence the year .756, when it was fixed that thole who were balloted for, unsold receive one half of the bounty. Oa the whole. be was convinced. that if the men were to be obtained. they would be obtained only by compolfory eneafures, or by the operation of a ballot. With regard to the time in - which the plan was brought forward, be had to stet . 4 4 k.44 4- '0 • • •• • 4 • • tacb d IT of fi lS • twirl* ram. wt.* N nf *mu- h and f C•n. Nrt r