Star. — London, England, 1819-12-10 00:00:00

• . . * , II . I . ;tate would consent to such a L House he surprised at the so frequently manifested? excited by some seditious per ,s of those people arose chiefly they had work, and if they 'contents would vanish. The arhood of .ManchesterN when 'lag of the 16th .of August, lei,al Meeting; they believed Magistrates was illegal ; that igh treason was illegal; that mended ; that the conduct of ; that the conduct of the Ma , who refused to take deposi these things they believed to ever excited more discontent -efusal of that House to.enter these things. He tould not these thingsohe had observed eness growing up among the Alancliester—(Hear, 'hear).— ; History, said, that gentle as Hampden, it was turned into the attack made upon him by erved to illustrate the fact he ved that great numbers of per. vere now supplying themselves a state of most alarming dis ,n aniirty for labour, not only to purchase arms. Ever since h of August,• there was a sul ence prevailing - among them. spies and informers, was an tat irritated theta to a hostile iovernment. He knew that a mation sent up to the Govern spies and informers. A great Lhich lie alluded was the man ates were appointed, and the iced to fill the offices of Magis it it would be highly expedient something like an improved to the place. The first object, ished to impress on the House, inquiry into the whole state of stern of the country. Whether d by any plan of relief, he had till something might be *done. 4 undertaken by Government, you'd be to give relief to these t be employed on roads and many absurd laws against Emi aught to be repealed ; and every t get a living should be allowed' f. Ample means might be found iigrate, whose loss would be a y, while they might become use. ish settlements in different parts is sure that all who wished prow ssed country, would agree with ,ad 'for its object peace and hoer war and destruction. He-ccsa. that a Select Committee be ap.-I :o the state of our Manufactures. EAG H observed there was hard* e stated to excitopainful fedi. which the Hon. Gentleman had 1 on this occasiod t . and that no. ar to - defeat theobject which the man professed to have in view, conduct. If his object was, to syment to the distressed, he asked, done by the Government ? There cumstanceof an angry nature to d history of any place, which the, man had not mixed in his speech, was proposing the appointment inquire into all the topics to which as it fit that the House could con- . e a trust which had 'never been nittee before ? No business of such is this had ever before been left to-, mmittee. If, after the variety ot! )duced into his speech, the H 08111) ction to:a Committee; how coal' 'topics 7 How could - the Commit isideration of them from the main Miry? If the fatti which the Ho n had stated, respecting Oritnge vi'coald the'evil be diminished by respecting it before is Committee ithing could be more Calculated to than that of bringing dne party lother before the Committee up ng into the inquiry alt the ingre id to establish confusion and agia thing less than an atteMpt, by a Ise whole of the businest, which the ly decided, by its vote) that there Jr entering into. On thin grounds, t Motion that could Only tend to and local grievances.• denied that his Honourable Friend ! t• of going into astieveltigatiots of levances that had be lb its object 'was to inquire into% irtunes of the cot ; but it was nto have stated the d carry mind . adverting to the sifting state 'di arts. He thought* in s eernwton deb o::gbt not to separate before the without making same inquiry into to of distress which sts many shows ader—even if that inquiry itdtdd not ices relief. • The distress of the ow , es arose chiefly from the diminished ;a markets ; but a certain portion of I among all people. There was a ;u:et, and order at this time in the ,stricts, where the people were in a and if this state of things was not re would be an end to the manufae. Lary. One great cause of their mi. ;nose demagogues, or rather fiends—. r)—who went about inflaming their ,1; them that a want of Radical ROI use of all their sufferings. In most the picture of that Cikarlaten, Hunt, I he was held up to the people as the s to bring about a state of things sieve them from all their distresses. a moderate Reformer, but nothing mid result from such Reforms as we,e o the people; and when the present I represented as the taus* of she de- Pri" Win in •.- landholder. hintielfhall die' I . . ... - . • • • • • --•.•stm.• pression of minnfactates,'the persons holding out that Nation to such a height of renown -I: , (Ther, hair, hear). language ought• to recollect that it was under the They would then be no lonl er esaid Constitution m deluded by thole iti- Parliament, as at present constituted, thitibe menu- nempt demagogu who, wi th th facture, of the country had flourished in the way in their °tilt s , cherished w ishedthe deepest hatred of it in they did. There was not a pa part Of she world, from their hea rts—( Hear, hear!)—men. who taught them Cape Horn to Baffin's Bay, in which our manufactures to despise every moral duty which was connected were not purchased, and under a system of better re- with their security here and their happiness hereafter. gulations, and permanent tranquillity, he had no He wished also - that they had heard, from his Hon. doubt but there would be a sufficient demand in Friend, that awful truth; that if the discontents al other countries for all our manufactures. He did not ready existing, continued and proceeded much fur approve of holding out the idea that the wealthy ther, commerce, with all her attendant blessings, people, i in the manufacturing districts, were the one - would quit the country. Every considerate mind tes of the poor labouring manufacturers. It was would, necessarily, be alarmed, capi tal would be re quite the reverse, for these were the persons whn moved ,' and England would ' c ease to wear her gave them employment—( Hear, hear). These were proudest distinction among the nations, that of corn the persons whosupported them; in consrquence,how- mercial greatness, as Venice and the Hanle Towns ever, of the unhappy state of anarchy that prevailed had done in past ages=(Cries of hear, hear, hear). — in the manufacturing districts, these, and many ether He agreed that part of the distresses proceeded from wealthy persons, were now going away from the the state of the currency, and the suggestions thrown' places whose prosperity they hitherto upheld-(Hear) out for alleviating them deseried consideration. But Tey were investing their capitals in foreign funds; one thing he would impress on the House: he hoped some were even adopting plans of emigration, and a that if ever any political circumstances should occur sort of general feeling, of move pti peat, seemed to which - might seem to call fora war, the House would prevail among them all. He was not prepared to remember the state into which the. country 'was recommend any particular measures for the relief of thrown by the circumstances 'which had occurred , those distresses which prevailed among the People.— and which were the result of the late war,-(Hear). Goo forbid that he should not feel for them • the It chewed the moral order, and the great principle on strongest sympathy, and if any thing in. the way of whit+ the Rutin of the UNIVENOR regulated all contribution was proposed, if it was suggested that things for virtue and happiness. It provedas clearly one or two millions of money- should be granted as it could be proved, that. war , was productive of for the alleviation of the miseries complained of, he mischief and misery, just as every other invasion of would be the last man in that Horne to refuse his as- the rights 'of man inflicted injuries upon the invader igent to it—(Hear!)—.Grants were, he believed, Made as well as the invaded—Gear, hear I)• It was in by the House before in eligencies of less import- cumbent on the Mouse to quell those persons who ante ; he would not -say how far such a measure 'had been going about deluding and dintroying where& might be efficient ; indeed, when ' one tame to din- ever they went. .The House -should quell dtem, or sider it in detail, be would not be inclined 'to raped, they *mild destroy the House itself, and the friends much permanent good from a measure of that de- 'of other would soon have to lament and weep over a scription--(1/ear!)—There was anothersubjectwhich country which had. been so' eminently bleated by he also thought was attended with no inconsiderable 'Haavait—fCriet of Meier, bear): • difficulty. He meant the expediency of Parliamena i- Mt PHILLIPS was-glad to see that one goad ef laity interference with the general , state of waged.— feet, at least, was likely to fellow from the observe- He would not go so . far as to say, that the Le- tions of his Honourable Friend (Mr. Bennet), namely, gislature ought to abstain altogether from , ten- the suppresion ofOrange Societies. Such, herlioped, templating the subject, - and though •he ~was once would be the consequence of the expression of the of a different opinion, yet thee were some antra- opinion of-the Honourable Gentleman '(Mr. B.' Wit- ordinary circumstances in this case, 'which would braham). • Tho - Honourable Gentleman then pro; induce him at least-to go into art inquiry —(Hear 1) tended to support the motion,. believing that a Com rTbe state of the wages was intimately 'connected with mittee would tend rather to calm discontent than to the Poor Laws; in truth, it was this connection,' or inflame It. i Lather the Poor Laws themselves, that involved the Mr. S. WORTLEY said, that the appointment of a 'abject in .0 much difficulty, for they urged thecoun- Corhusittee Would - shew the People that nothing but try into a system altogether artificifil-4411ear, hear). time cotild work oat for them any lasting good. It The misfortunes arising from them were manifest was impoisfide to• attempt' to conciliate the Radical from this—let it 'he sopposed, that upollthe whole, Reformers, as nothing would-satisfy them but a stir there were in employment 100,600 weavers, and render of the Constitution ; and that, if they should that by some fatal occurrence-20,000 Of the s e were sheeted in it, •woukti do them no good. He should suddenly deprived of occupation; the difficulty of read'to the House a few passages from a pamphlet, finding .subsistence would not fall upon thise 20,000 .aid be die production of a Candidate for West only, - but would be extended to die. whole I 1 VIM; niinstee at the lait Elettitm, entitled," A Trifling for the supply of labour becoming - More abundant, Mistake ingsord &eking's New Preface to the Second the demand would be satisfied -upon tents more dis- ' Edition of his IlGerenei of the Whigs." One of the advantageous to 'tit whole body. If inesi of large passages was; d'ikhat preieois the People from walk= capitals, under such circumstances, continued their tog to the Ellmaniand-ptdling the Members but by the forme! rates of wages,they would contend, with dis- ears, and thealooklng the aoor r—(ilasig/i)—•and advantage to themselves , against - the melt of small a g utn, * tilethltr but Mitre force will 'dorm. }ltd capitals, who would go about the country and, pick Frarliameet."•4Hrear, • hear} Jils aalmiit tail, .0 the up werkamo at this limiest rates possible.. Heshould House wbetlams,it was possible that men who.ls4da be sorry so pledge himself; to any decided 'opinion, suehltiqrate; ennid be ebittilfirldlif atty.tileyet ttlice s Ist, thought' it might be kiesirahle to' inquire at skillet she - stirten‘tor Of tliKirtitlitntfoul Vffelttr ' ' ' ' Aso; 'ant i • how far it would be practically useful to rfir.liwprEtt cenben . . the eattentgek establish a minimum of wages--(Hear, hai).— of Parliament to the wants of the People, was a great He would touch the subject with greit reluctance, cause of the little confidence the People had in this b9t he was ;anxious to hear the large manufacturers House. upon it. It was not improbable, in his minci, that the . The LORD ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND would Currency question entered into this subject to some abstain from all exaggeration, as nothing tendedto extent. He could net help thinking, ibat the distresses give so much encouragement to the disaffected'-"'' which 'prevailed since the peace, were more or less Much of Scotland was in iifisturbed state, anti riots" connected withthe state if the Currency.,Upon that had taken place in Glasgow, the second city of tha question, he admitted,' it'was right to return some Empire; ancrin Paisley, ably manufacturing dorsi pernianent standard. A difference necessarily was ;Discontent had, not been confined to the distresse4 produced in the currency, by having that standard . ;districts. No reduction of wages had taken places which had existed - daring . the war ; the evil coasts, vith. eesoett'fas the !pitmen, as the women coul4 I guess - cis which such a crtessrace gave rise to, could carufforoseien Shillings to twelveshilliugs per weeka, m . only have been ieediell by adopting a depreciated 'a ib ' l and e men rota twenty to fOrty-five. shilling • ► coinage, if such a measure could have been at all end yet that; af:isji as much discontented as the justifiable. The most sensible result, however, was, weaveys i its 3it,, *ages a great reduction had that 25 per cent. was adcleclso . the National Debt.-- taken pliice:. ...1 - caper? also were much disaf- This had of itself a further consequence in increasing fected, though ; their wages were Maher than ,they the circulating medium, and the facility of getting had ever beeo.befeSe, and, at thq same time, provl 'money tended to increase it still more, because the ions were cheaper. Before the present reign, these greater the facility compl#* slavery, as the' which' atly s man had in getting men had been in a state of : e z money at' the Banker's, the less was his necessity to could uQt leave the mines without the consent of keep any large sum by him, and consequently the their masters, and were, in fact, Confined to them for amount of the circulating medium became lar g er.— life. Their emancipation from this degraded. state However, he should not now enter farther into the they owed to that Parliament that was new theob question. The Legislature adopted 'a certain line of jest of their abuse. The disaffectiOn, stases tbe *id conduct upon it, and as it was begun they were now die oCA'ugnst; hi& extended to Laiicaatas t amo(rAr hound to go on with it —(1/ eat, hear). He would not shire, a part of Fifeshire, and hid evia attotd-the say that the standard should be higher than at for- Highland!. The disaffected had forniethinsielies' met periods; .or that the facility of gettin c l orv inoney into Schools of twelve in number. Many worked, should be lessened. Bat he could not avoid ing, at thelrloam on tbe Sabbath dayl . and at the rim in that if the Banirof Ragland were empowered to p4y PAisley,the violence had . been directed' against - the is silver, as well as in geld, it would afford them a ministera of rept:mit. Hi (the Lord, Advocate) hail -material facility in misting the wishes of Parliament reciiiitialitlettmrisni the Duke 9f Iclaiintan, stating, He hoped that the Committee which his Hon. Friend that lii - etiulsinet be answerable _for th e tranquillity 'had asked should be granted; but he hoped that it of ilk! Cower • . l ..anark, without a lamer military, would be a Commerci4, not a Political Cominittr•-r:. fisece.._ Stilt be xpbed cai the lotalty Audi:newel feel- Ettelt a concession was essential to the subordination,' eggs of the People or ffcotlaad. When these 112. piaci, and sedulity of the Country, though he hoped formers came among them, *ey were,* to ask, if ._ good **the House would. not be &iris, as wa•sleislau4ed. they were PS hushinsisi..ffla Tithe" , and iihila gpostseas• ' • - were _., not ansyreied, . by * Honourable Member 4 so 'a choice between the men ? and when. .Commerce and the ,Constitution of the Country, to their satisfau,,ther sensibly enough concluded, Both. he !Fasted. would go hand in hand together; as they could not •he very well qualified to reform others, before. He weld never despair of the •reitoratiOn of isilo had yet to *fen* therniehies--(Lostd eleserine. order, whiter he' recollected that the morals' 'of the Mr. FLEICR - thought that:it was the duty of . Mis ?Kyle remained : hunt — ( Ho e r , hear). . The evils listen, at. the preseet.alore?! 4, tn set an irinisT_a a l which occiarred , such as they were, were still sorbing , foot. Upon one subject, it appearod to buss,' t h at w h en compared with those which had taken place at comideratile:beneiteilitfe=a mado r alositfrisis former times, and in other countries —( Haar, bet). l'arliainentary it _ , Mr. B. WILBRARAbi expected that much good lahoix,- this would b donethrosghont the Coentry, by the sound. land. ' ca e l, and phlioeophical speech or the Honourable ' wieriosi just sat down--(Heeei bar) Inv mast aitgaii“ of the inanufactuting dist* icts were the WI clamorous. Some foolish people in .4.i.erpool had assisted at an Orange procession, and had been, in the first instance, well pelted by dm mob, and afterwards punished by she Recorder. Far him self, be disapproved of all such party distinctions. WILBE; - &so& • ~ `Y • down to be distributed amongst these. people."... What was the consequence of this ? why, the Peo . 7 . pie were so grateful for this assistance, that when a . Meeting was called by Mr. Lewis, a schoolmaster of the town, not 200 weavets 'attended th'eie—(Hearf. The Hon. Member added, that he learned from hi{ lleague behind him, that not a weaver at all was there. There .was some commotion at that Meeting, bat how would it have been if these steps had not been taken? He belieVed himself; and he had it from good authority, that the Special Constables, en .:0 that day, exceeded their duty. It was his object to bring the price of labour in Scotland on a level with . is country. In parts of Scotland it was a fact, that a than wilted for fifteen hours in the day, for no more than from Ss. 6.1. to 9s. a week. After some • remarks upon the state of our foreign commerce, he . said, raising the price of labour w's not at all incom patible with that competition which we were obliged to keep up. It was, at least, he added,' a legitimate object of Inquiry, for this House to see to what ex tent the condition of a man might be bettered ( WhO _ worked fifteen hours in the day for Ss. 6d. .a week. Taw reptoratioo bf the currency to its ancient stand ard increased our expenditure by twenty or thirty per cent. and the taxation was increased also to that err- tent. If the tax was taken off raw silk, he would take upon himself, dui the part of his Constituents, at say, that it would Akio a free trade with Franc .., and he would engage that we should supply as ranch mad isufactused silk to France as Fratice did to Us (hear). He-would put it to the Government, if the Nation could-go on with its present extent Of taxatidn with out a revulsion? It was impossible that they could answer in the affirmative.. The truth was, that the Government had not provided, as they iniest have done, for the difficulties of the country; and the consequence was, that a disposition to sedition mans u • felted itself amon g - those classes - who were most'', • pressed by those diifit'ulties. There was undeniably . a. general slain) in the country, . ide could state, ! • that many individuals, and among them several :No. ble Lords, allies of the present Government, had lately . .sold aet of the Funds of this country, and Vested there, [mot* in those of Prance. • This was an alarmin fact i —alarming because it proceeded from those . whos • th ) I duty it was ;ogive an example of confidence to ' (country--4Th' lionintr'uble Member sat down amid. . .cries of hair; heakl) Mr. PEEL wake! take this opportunity of .esplai*,',.. i . i ing 'an opinion of his, addressed to the House a fear nights ago, whiCh hadteen very much mivreptesente4 within the House. it hail been imputed to him,thae he said that the House Of Commons should soon maki its option between a continuance of British manufaci ' tares and of the British Constitution. He hail' said no such thing. What lie said was this, that while per , - sops who were wicked . enough to y make *trade of tinif distresses of decants", wag:offered 'to go aboqt poison* thnttfindi,oftheshinufaetnrers, hp viewed thehnsinifittufrffirdistiicts, wish apPreliension and - -sibtivis. He ate: .60, - *1 opetathig in those districts to cootie treat: bat mitten; atid.ixhile these distreisest ' • oille Medi the instrsteeeiit df tie:ling sedition, he felt vceyteat alaiiii4theitottot oldie insferera; and raid pink& leothrteqisefuies to the country at large. l • did never think that the continuance of Britiskiiiark . nufactures --wit inconsistent With the cantineanit at the British Constitettion. green I* thought sn, t sentiment would come with a very bad grace, aryl id very bid time, from one - who owed all whatsoever . advantage he possessed to the existence of those maw • aufaCtures---(llkek, hear). He would now addres: hbisself• to the question then before the House, and ' he regretted very much that :the subject had beeti mixed up so much with political matter. The more he heard thatnight, the more was he confirmed in the opinion which he entertained when he came inki the Howe—namely. - that it •was utterly impossible Ut devise a .remedy for the distresses of the annufacturint districts , (Hear, hear, httte).- - -4 Indeed, whatever doubt he might have had as to the Nebriety of' inquiry, he was now convinced, by save of the speeches which had been . delivered that ight, that no possible good could result from 'cos • i inquiry, even if it did ta ke place: The Right Rout • e ntleman proceeded to notice the several means of • eniploying• the poor, suggested by several of the ' Gentlemen who spoke in the debate, and etideatroured • itb sinew the difficulty and impolicy of canying them. intoeffect. He had an utter objection to the mode of relieving the distresses of the• pock, by a publie , :cosstriliutiois. Such a plan 'of" relief, amongst many ' et impolitic Coniequenceif would producethe ef fect a counteracting those Checks which operated' . *Oast an increasing population , and which;', he - feared, would be.fbund to be the only effectual rod th medy for the distresses oftheconntry: Under ad throe circnm.stances,'he isottidSiot vote for the' niotidka • ' '• Mr. J. P. GRANT eontended,•that thesitinkitedi ings had madebut little progress in Seed:toil; and, although they had extended to Minded, 'Wept e : onlined ito a very. fee peruses. - . It Was•their ' dere& Itil; into a COrnuftitek tb hit/sire iittktheintfetreand cape' of 'the present distant, and WWoer. _ . .tissfy Odd' see a remedy toot or net ; ftirthen it cod not 4e-ilfeged ! that . they hail' nitteetei t hill'illeans in their itoWer ti alleviated. ' The far siobitter,pait of &attend, was in the.iiepodettstatei and, therefore,they *mild 40 *eft teConfust *eh . ..prehension: to the gmall'manufac tanirs district:. - .lf - there was any thing objectionable 'ls his liontsurabie Friend's motion,' it, might be cosi 'rated, aud.heboped it Wen• would be : he could not perroade himself that Nicol:Wawa:ld refine inquiry. ' 10 ''.8111.101 - stippOrteft the modem* inquiry t - - - Whether it • ' riot be even lisafteekr , afford` ~- ~~~ • IP . sett, he aisapprxiv... Mr. WILBERFORCE wished that all the dist& fected persons in the country had heard the pm : d eal, unambitious,' and eloquent Spent of his Hopi, Friend (Mr. Baring. He was confident, thei If they had heard it, they wield; be induced' to admire, icor" than everpthst 6inetitatlon which het brought ties Re,,• , . 6 Emit, rila ‘tiligeitie and 1 : 1 0 60 . 11 44tatbad.014 diat7Wai4d .adwnßat wards of. aye thousand poor_ peOpie . oat of. employ- ment. By his own elertiotis in Lonileon, amongst his friends, he raised £1,560 niore, which_ he. sent considerable . benest imps DC Inaivw w. , • .........- .„-- r __,_ _ Pattichentair iuterfereme, that was, in the prioit of • Mr. # ts SMITH ibpperted the motion for taquir, t labritir, - as regarded this country with that or, Siotv bird •rvished wiliest:ow, Whether it would hot be even land. In one placethers was an ins . ...:m ,, cr is th e *INW wrisepesch . lintfcediPopertY-tai to aifotd• price of labour . ; and in Theotilt insuruey. istliflis eto Poor. : • . was made up -by peon' Tates, • confequenee. of • 14r; V: SMITH. could not help esposlig that thl. dil `would be s ,thit isk.d•Cfortnet it sboul,d fail, sad see% dairies, that thodestructien *Of, machinery is the latter, Wave sp only.hy the emisisiesathe 'Waite of boo* to thelwor ; 'or .thft awry wog landholder. He titan referred to an **inns ',his ttilietioliewid lig miring- .ON toOLomet itoloiti he hisrielibill made it. 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