The Express. — London, England, 1850-05-24 00:00:00

IM PERIAL PARLIAMENT. MOW thiak, therefor that' =" abeam *Okla, eit the pert of Mr thisetnthirmastir 6lBll ; that It reeled weds ORM terra when be The teas• sheer apes m.. r prat. toed I *bah Beat One had el Ms wets 1 eat 'Abdo** dues the repo whether the pelat ee width they. was taeumbeet ea Mt. Wyse la n. Gad weft tor farther learrieu area doe te eaeiNii W mad ;:tbut thet\ heft MOM e s doily _onienteed4: Oa bola Oita that. nt h ere = grthe we did es to the ler f his im z e idl laterventien that le ram . that is drowse at e ski set or a darker was SO la %has _ soft it,. the despetsbia or X. Delays* Lim& is ... be dearly lays {ewe whet was the vairrotilWalth that the hostler of the ninth Writer. .4 la VMS ere baron woo = tape thintlitne ad set surd to the poorer ainelpise el war demeads.— those tozlestaire meta be giv=zer es erste say et tee SIM pertheler masa, m he loser, te be shared se intedired with; bet the hastier ef the saber order were to be ander te tree tiros soli te whir MO rMelia led bees deed. Bat the pliant& of or es i n g th wee embodied is estithe. treasnthad at the Firth gerniont—sa 11/01111w At the hash to the Fest time ; repooffee to wain fudges who tad bas id hared ; eemponsedas a Mr.ffiredlsp ler lead taken dna Yeti estillsillialim M N. !ONO Weir and eempeo. Miss ter fain es ef six Irian bernenste. quads. Cl omportlea to Id. Pardee fee destrostise a l ter dormers woe eat Instred. New on ef February IL Droop do Fars rites to say as se the Irak= Omit en le be sombed In them ess they era be whia dell met imbeds ■ prlnefrie ;meal at Seller& dine. Os the tied et Nbreary , rain he says, " As to the stood point," "halt be had bra altered to late:roger me, • tbat serif : WI arse I him bod the homer et hamlet that the me. diadem wM err= the ordeas whisk do not In wie ldiest", memisa dee dimemb If the meet of Landon. Maw it Y. is elf •. le whole* thst ma isimendy due to Mr. Foamy twit k somMes mends Mash& be the mond et that mere ether eaters I might reed to the same effect. Oe the red Mama, 11. Dewar et• Lbws wrote • The Ihlbralsrla as armee to ars two quesdons :—Mr. Wpm k rid pm* is emit of an semmeamet keel attheihilow. merliems:-1. Prawn M mask if the indemaitim aimed by miliesesd semi Mina MOM; of the vales of the rem Übe hem to fray, waning to the MEM pet men it MI the mem& of M Lead the images demwdel bathe persona bad , Millesentle width M. -W ks emiessed, se wen dams the pit. kge et bk WON, VIII Oof bk Palmer* , which mei to beambede Showhig that It wee distinetly oadenteed that this pr am of IL Paeifises eider was oath* impure from the Otter. L The trammimisa of a haw le Mr. Wme, esteeming re. pet Mr the serest of as sem at the TM•10111111. 3. Apm mks to mkt a WM temety es the MUM or the Tortiegme deseemete which M.Fsdike - Mare in haw ken aided away he khn. Thk is the smegsment whisk Mr. Wyman tad teen be hstrusied M AM) mod awn" • misenderstandiag, it ether at Athens ea this eshinet, tad ea the Bth of April Drouya de Lhays wrote Mt 011111“11 LsHitte : • Misr trona Mr. Orem (the coral sit Albeek deltoids= es le, it weld mew thee M. Gem on the N th et hr from Alb Y garde that, in sees he Wm selt sis Mit dein that his geed idles haw Mied, and that he smarts m semi hem their esedemese, Mahal Parker would hathan• resew. he embensineeres Wilbelit new orates tem hie penman& Ihmt le ormiktMy meaner feria of hest'), and ilk of meat immetams to ratify, in tint respect, the sphaisa of eer ingelkem. In web bytothmk the awake ammo would ✓esame Oak mem Mojeves, se I hew kid the Mow of issformiag pm ea the Sid et Felmmy and WM ef desk. If us dillkreate of =shield orbs betessa IL otas and Kr. wpm es the gram Mg If the sempeembe whisk the negotiator propose& maim loth, asteColith he WU haw to ssambse, leer is me re vs eaMs boa dem Mr. Myee end Minkel Parker wilt hare to r the is Matt government The quills. is, whatje the port en which the difference hies arisen Mawr' Bur Ott and Mr. Wyss. Bayou Otte directed Mr. Wyse to refer for Jar ractions to his LW:Nment, sad Mr. Wyss not feeling himself at liberty to eon Gros says be will withdraw from the sapodi lla'. Wu that one of the only points which the mired ttor had to examine, or was it not? I think I have shows that it was dearly aaderstood that the cal, points wh'eh be bad to negotiate upon or examine were the amount to be gives to Mr. Fislay and M. Pride for the lands, hoar, and other lessee. It would arm from the papers that the negotiation was broken off, not upon them potato, bat upon the queries whether the Greek goy remold were or were not to Nuke an segagneent that they would not only exam's, the (maim of loss of property by N. Pacifico, bet engage to pay him for any loss which might be proved to have been snotaird by hint is oessereues of the destruction of his documents. Baron Oros on the 16:b agreed to soeb an engegemet. Not only that, bat t • agenW also that the amount of 160,1500 drachmas 'Maid he deposited r security for the fulfillment of that rearimeat ; and the only difference between Baron Gras and Mr. Wye. was that Baron Oros pro. pored that the deposit should be hold conjoin , ly by Greece and England, while Mr. Wyse held that it should be depo sited either in the Bank of England, or, if Baron Gros pre ferred ir, in that of Franc. Berea Gros said in the course the distorts that he would take that view of the matter WM his further consideration. It was after that—after BW•111 Gres had consented to that arrangement—that be, be reasons which he was folly entitled to judge, altered his opinion. He retracted that proposal, and said he wu shied that M. Prifico's shim upon that head wee not deserving of ony pert's& consideration, and that he would naly agree that the Begliah and Greek rovernments should negotiate on the subject, apply to the Portuguese government to know what was the claim, and whether it was not oat which should be paid by the Perhigoo sad not by the Greek government. Thin proposal was refused by Mr. Wyse, who felt he could not consent to abandon the principles on which the negoth tba was established, and because it was a proposal which weitained a imitative of one of oar prindpel demands. Wyse could not consent to that proposal eccordito to his original instruction', still lees in the face of those which I sent him on the 26th of March. Hs, therefore, naturally said that there was aothing to refer, and that he could not refer upon a point which had been settled as the bads re which the good offices of France had been accepted. Hie also said that these were the instructions he had reatived in de spatches hoe the home government, and that by three he was bottom to abide. Baron Gros thought otherwise. Whether Mr. Wymi was Mimi under ea orroaideas impression. as was believed by General de Latina, but which I do not thin k, that was the differree of opinion, sad upon that mainly the noptiatioa was Orr ed. Another demand was made by Mr. Wyss on his own nernsibility, but whirl), for rea ms Mated by him, bar Majesty's government had deter mined he was right Umpiring. Baron Grog had origiaally CirdiWt the ships should be restored with their cargoes met osaththe, or as nearly as possible as they were when etiolated. Mr. Wyse, as a counter - pr oposal. smarted the aseditioa that the Greek goverment should be answer able for all damages arkdag from corn mess es. Baron Gres thee withdrew his proposal, upon which Mr. Wyse withdrew his. Mr. Wyse had obrued that the Greek gerranteut were oellect*t statements of lames, with the view of being's( forward those claims as • set-off against the claims of this cowry for the amount pelt late the sinking had fee the Greek lows, and he thought it right to shut out any such demand; not imptnieg upon the Greek government any pendia liability, but simply guarding against the patting forward of any seek claim. Considering the importance of establishing • good under steadies with Orem, I think he wee right to twist upon the bused= of • Mess in an aureememt, which, if pressed without it, might lead to • recurrence of miardermaadiairs. NJ British governmeat would have admitted that claim, and it might therefore have led to unfrisadly Maras. The Baia point on which Bann Oro insisted, sad width Mr. Wyse felt bound to resist, was the qualm whether the Greek pverameat amid et net to ray whatever might appear vela he he duo le Pecidea for the loss suetelsed by Wm the deetrustien of his domments, of the value ef which we had no wilmate. But be their yam great or smell, we thought In point of rind* that the Groh orseaseent was jowly liable to mire gar the less, se Visit Meg me was one of the rind. pies dwr original demand Mau whir we stated it was Impossible to needs. I Oki that Garr de Lehr* wee wrong I. sherd that the negemiadoe was team ef by Mr. Wyse, and net b Berea Gra, an th at ea the dapolled pent Mr. Wyse mighty to have referred le his retermeat. I need not my that say dilliemem whielt, is w Gems of discussioe may have arid% between the goventmeate ef France and England, must be die rattler of sari pda M regret to her Majesty's ministers. I keys I have said nothimg which mild tend to \mem these d and bed to guru miraiiiir standing. or appear la the slightest a obstacle to their re moral. las met without brim it will be seen that upon • question of this sort tire re* esuld hive bees no latent ern on the part el the Bridal' gewernment is the slightest de err to offer say affecatte a Madly power. I man 4 resist the hope that the dissuades gefoissaseemealhetwegoornments Mill end in • mem satiability and \nameable te both. I should be sorry, indeed, if aerials. I sherd say offered say difficulty in the way of sash adjuneesat, sad if these things I were to be disoused in Utis Moo Wilber IDeeer hew they may teeniest*, I should Mir ON no boot what ever sway be his opinions, witligtilleasy shiniest which may ham • prejedkial sleet upon the Gesso which has hese adopted by her Major y's miaistees. It is the anzieem desire of her Majesty's nevenment te WON, the most friendly relations with Pones. It fit we who antes an of wheel the reeentatiet of Those is the mi geo Pswa irs . ata lt t is th ae at beljusa is, sad %or w ip ith inci w u b iri mi w W e e mity reirill int mmis that w sidladges katever th lu e id go n v . e g rl i m is e ifts at n l ce tan ma n y ot al b iltiegy inill fool as to the mutter at Mae, it will do se the jostles In think that whatever ground of complaint they asy haw they haw against her Majesty's govenment, they have no mead of compltiut for want of good Interior or • do. &Macy in that friendly feelli.g which it is the ditty of her Majesty's 'overuse', and the duty of say goverment that may mend the., to feel towards the government and the mike of France. (Mud duels.) Sir J. WALSH said that no one had a greater sense ef the mho of I rkedly relations between Trans. and this wantry than he, and no one could be more ditll.llllll of ptetleg oet of sight anything which could &stub thew relations. At themes* time he felt bound to say that, putting the most favourable °Deakin:Rion upon the noble lor.i's vale ntine, it did appear to him that he strained very much the statement he made on the anesion of being questioned ROUSE OF 0031MON&—TraspaT, MAT 23. The Swum tent the .Mint 4 shtick. PUBLIC' alumnae. MILITARY KNIGHTS OF WINDSOR, Da SALWHY pue sense that he wend move that Os N. of ON tram the military hankie revises at Whether pee* be Menhirs& ANIMATION BILL. Mr. STAFFORD ye anis that be mesh! move, ea the nest se nage " B FalliMadmit w week thieed Kis be lostirated fee" sad Wan." = ALL OF TAB AMBASSADOR. fie J. WALSH seed I wish pal • go " 10 t h e wide lad appeite /native te the amuse of bun= her fhb melee. (Bear. hear.) I I nadmeind tbe :ad* lerfl ary• J 11 • 18111 ) lass so seseeibet be lasi as anion for piss late ..semi- 4 tee of . Br the Whim Ig_alke s ' a ttU n ir , seseedisseaden ea sae edition. enemies I wen se sek is. whether that of the mak lord had nehmen ma* Is se hea. paths* ea L A M ef the 4 tW ait err ask quoting mid Wee say peeper. or whether it er db er lika isesador ?sat lairli there s wee thijk to be a sestsseat—ei 'neater, t—made sow by die =hie lon the F rett Seenseieey sa llidee with reopen te the extneetianaly e t her terrier" Maoismreseal Lord PALM IO nee amid lend sheen, sad said-- Sir, ens the qualm .1 snag lase eamminse of supply, I wlil advert se what took Wiese here the ether sight with se hems le **affairs of Treace sad lashed. Upset **question that the Speaker de Yen the *hair, esd tin the hew Moles itself isle • essaittee el PAL II - 11118 TON mina nee sad said —I fed that ia esimerresee of whet passed here the ether with respert m • gentiles pet se me by my tight hear= the member he I sr (Mr. Gi s t:hit is due net sale to nerealf, but to the that 1 as pens e natiosa. (Hear.) My right ben trine, is Theredsy s t asked me, d I rightly remenber, among ether qualms. whether there was • perfectly good eadentandiag be tone the severeness of Treace gad the stain meet of ineined with tepid be the of Grease. I stated is reply, se far as I ma regal that the Freed ambush, bad lift Leedom he Paris the day beforti—that he bad bean 417 to 1 by her Majesty's goverameat with expleaatiess to be via the genenseat at Fresse—litet see of the *hots his Mare me Trues use to gin these expleawdoss, sad I stated that I hoped nonstag would eche out of these manse se diets* the hiesdly relaticse onetime between the two semetries. Olen hoes.) Now, about that time wee roadie the Fresh er rather in the French Assembly, a latter from General La Hine nerillisc or rather erdertag. the French anbasseder le return to Paris film Leaden; and it was thought by many panne, sat (sly here bet elsewhere. that there wee aa fammeitteney ea my pert la the mum I Faye to the right has. seetienaa, the member for Mooch..- ter, as to the sonautien itself, and that I was endeavouring to suppress mauling whin it was my duty to state to him and to the boss*. Now, what passed im regard to that cir remstases is this. Biotin. had rises--differeness of chain had arisen between du governesses of Friths and the goveransat of her Majesty, ha consequence of the manner in which the affairs had tersiasted between England end Green at Athens. When first M. Noun de Lhays communicated with me, I had not received the despatebei from Athens. Tile French Asbsssador ease to me on Moaday unfair g, with the view of entering ea a disewaina of the q motion. I told him, however, that I hai to ones down to attend • 110•11.1ittl• of this house, mad I begged of him to Peters the neat morning, Tuesd. Oa Tuesday he same, sad then I went with his at great length into the despetches I had received from Athens, reading to his Mr. Wyse's reports of what had ;amid, and explaining to him that the nurse adopted was ace that ought not, es I thought, justly to give any ground of offence to Frame. (Beer, hear.) Oar conversation was long, and be left mo, rather at • late hoer, saying that he would return the en day end continue the eavasation. The seat day he same, and I forget sow whether at that interview which also hated, as yen are aware, a loss his., but I believe that la the nine of the conversatina we then had together he read me a letter front Geseral Lahitte. Of nano I did sot wane with the opiates expressed is this letter u to the groan& epee whisk the French anibaseder was desired to return to Pails. He shel, " I meet ge back to Paris this evening. TO-111411tOw the papers will be presented Ia the Assembly—to morrow gentians will be asked, and there may be discussions which make it my duty to be in Paris before the Assembly meets, in order to afford env explanation the governante may wish to have home me." I mid that I entirely concurred in that course and would not press him to remain, but begged he would communicate the substance of the explanation I had given him. I furnished him also with copies of Mr. Wyse's despetches, marking tbe pumagee to which I whiled the et tuition of the Fresh government to be called, and begged of him not only to give such explanations is be might think fit to give, but also to lay before his government those de tailed explanations which I had given him. Tale was the state of things on Thursday, when I was questioned on the subject by this house in the first place. It could not be expected is the ord!nazy course of things that the letter of General De Lehitte would have been read to the Assembly that day (loud Sheen hose all parts of the house)—and even before the Assembly was in poseessicn of the document cossetted with the trans eetion to which that letter edited. It certainly never en tared iato my mind that such a proseeding is any case would be vicipted. I was du justified Ia supposing that the expla nations with which I furnished M. Divert de Lhays, if sot calculated to remove entirely the disatishetion or the French governnent, would at all gnats greatly mo lif e that feeling, and lead to farther explanations . Thinking that, and b heels, it probable that at the very soseat I wee giving my answer the Fen* sinister sight be assigns, as • reason to the French Assembly for the return of M. Drouyn de Limn limply that which was the object of his return, mi heat giving any explanation or comma sleeting any explanation from her Majesty's government. —believing that possible and thinking it probable, I would ask any emu in the h use who values the good understand big between the two couch's, or who has any just appreci ation of the interests of this country and the euty of its sinister, whether I would not have been guilty of the greatest indiscretion, or rather of the most mischievous act and most culpable proceeding, if I proclaimed the feeling ea the part of the French government expressed is that letter, and which according to my expectatiou would have mad to exist. Supposing that the French minister bad given a simple ground of explanation u the reason for the return of the French antsmeedor, what sambief would I net have due it I bad called and fastened upon the Preach governmset the dissatisfaction they have expresei t (Hear, lush) I es sue I need ne further justification ler the coarse I pursued en that occasion—it was dictated by an earnest desire to softie anything like an eery Whig ea the part of the French government, leading to eneeequenese of a senses *treater. That letter, however, dos regain that I should mks state obeervatiess. Masse it eharmes her Mejuity's government, and especially me, as the organ of that government in the traneaction, with laving broken faith with the gave/anent of FV•11011, Ines such as it masete thee, ening to enurement, the auto ti sties with M. Banta 0111111111111 *okra off sad put= sod to by the act of Mr. Wyss, is having determined to have reenne to asesive swears epee a pout which he ought to have re lined to his 'overeat's% fit farther expluatiss. It is my opinion that the papers already is the heads of members, and which I made every effort to has delivered this morn hg, will show that the function of M. Baron One ware sot suspesded by any act of Mr. Wyse, bat by the set of N. Bares Gros himself, sad that Mr. Wyse, se far from wining his faustiose to be suspended, ropremed the strongest Emirs that they should be entlased, and that he did not US*** validity of the mead es whisk M. Beres Gres thought himself manned to suipsed his fenatiens. I that that the men will snow that after Baran Gras lied se sem. asamimlsil le Mr.Wysethathiefametione wen aaceendd, end his hisilen emsnated—thaterna after that Mr. Wyse, se far apes teldes edwastees of the sertion opportunity to have new— le esereinnessens. made a nepenthe through Bann Gra le the goverament of Adieu, which if seeded to would have satisfied these skins whisk eves Baron Gros himself did an main in dierstieg, and would have left an• easietel these pante RPM Vida • different* of opinion had saes. Bens ores sews* le Mr. Wyse was, " Refer to yen genomment he iestewelise as to the point of differ ence hien* M i n' ia,lite meanwhile nine your status osso, kaep_pa o f the noels. but shale taking _arsy MM." A ft er Bann Orel bed seneteilinied to Mr. Wyee that his faudses wen nespossied, and that he meet await Anther orders teem Freest, whisk would require an Surreal el three weeks, Ms. Wyse said, " If the Cite* government will mead se a sem which I think is just the amount of sompeneation dee he the lessee of Mr. Fiadlay aid M. Pasha Ia their ► house sad greeadv—if the On* ✓aernestast will send 180.000 drachmas, sad will assearnamy the matey with a letter saying that the sum is e All math heti= of all claims is the note of the 17th of Jut r, with Oa vislos tti the stains of M. Pacifieo, for losses resulting from the destruction of his do. assets, I will thee—what—estiane the sears coo ? No ; I will immisclistely visas all the Greek mercttantsen now tithe detention, and net free the comas rce of Greta " (Hear.) Well, sir, no doubt that would he a ve been • ve ry advantageous arreagem th eat for e Greek government, ad rire via.4 they were prepared to do that which cizennutattess required—usely, to admit the principle of the That arrangement would have left fur future discauion the terms of the Inter of apology for the insult offered to the British navy is the rise of the Pantos*, and wosti also have left for faun discussion all arnagementa of the claims of M. Pacifico for the loss of his deements. Baron Gros replied to Mr Wyse—" I have notified to the Greek government that I as no logger officially is communica tion with He British sibilants I canaot therebre make the proposal nihrially, bat annicially it shall be made." This was on the 24t h, and on the next day Bans Gros informed Mr. Wyse by private letter that he thought the neat day, the 26th, by five o'clock in the afterson, he (dr. Wes) would receive a letter and the money—this being the lout bad cosine the Greek . governinent could take. Mr. Wyse, es receipt of this sonteneniestion, suspended any coercive 2•111111•110 until after the thee mentiosed in Baron Groe's letter. Awl It was not until after five o'clock had sloped on the 26th, two days after the time when Bates Gros ofkially asnuansiested the suspension of his fanstione— sad whet neither the eatisigeted letter or the noisy had arrived—that Mr. Wyss made the autoesessent that be had gives orders for coulee swum to be resumed. We are justified, thee, in auks thee It use got Mr. Wyse who pat an end to Baron Gros' mission. Whether rightly or we** is met men to the pawn. I think rightly hut Mr. Wen inesklered that Baron Gros had officially with drawn hinted( from the misfits, and that of course cause bad ads* to Joni!, at once the resumption of coercive see. MO M. ordisal ,- it spot ef i graAsit .t Ths obit rd send to that does doh. win lobs adaittod la dl doirtistepity , b do Took knowailho sill that se polio sestet seism opmgs is N tie seta/ to b e aortal to IL kw**. now, eel Frookgrearnawat did sat open to scow with do WO had as that, sad Its thoglit it ervidont that la Os despatsbee of Goad De la Nita Ike Froth gavenotett noted is theloaoken if. odds liberty ..tsZa osii ptotioas of detail ia s nagegago asa a r s i e r *mod Patio o Moll sat vesture, idly penis/ the do• sat to wirer th• alatelleni tit law RAMO MEd. ate ..warred with Ma that k was *Ma k that to olOists of sailp with the Imo* pailosstiestill Ism istilltiod, and sot ealy with ths Freed gsroM. Nt that smug with dame other grad m _ ato al Wain Were at pro. seat shoats' htmo so APO M Neteral. Thar* cold bt dohs wbrinatar Mat Op Is of thesis M l'tegsMan had bass It giatm as te i Lla a most walbeaussitt - stilt s. sad that theme is their isom bad Mat mot assossomad. TM Ltd bad doh co Ms sliistms with Foot ; be bad shag Is "Mt Ohms ; that Milano lod base the key dos the Mtk O his pads& sad _Os h.y doe Its bat imattiod Is IMO sat with, itelitssif. The adds bed bad hatili+shall, M &sags hat Frame, o hod that skyhad g la d It that—osemidortag the tam the t Wes tak, sad the obibity that had bees to it— j toil ha to em Os too Moo amiable He Mead rot the toile Mel had astOod to plats himself la sash a data of saugssimma o that goverastest, that Imo geoid be • great biz to the roundag at oiled* relatirro Lord e MAHON said he wished em complain of, or nos go peeirmakiag, to hoot, Ms past dotal that MI tak l, es place is ks gradualist of the eissosat sesswarg he the odenstasding of this wee. 11,. BMYTRE, who was Onset issakblo, sad at Mass sairely esoltdanal that Ms Foreign ilestmorg a t o eittelfall, dm* sassmodo kisses at the Olsen OM Hit my militant Md formed the Yagoda el Ids piL l y i ne thsrallselmai as Okla pedantry th• di/Odom that Os sadmaglO Is doors stadisilme sad pod Oho wad paittsk, la 'PO Of a demos motive from toady sa iMssiis kitiS t MO the sesded panted towards Poo hill wollittedjusimemy, distrait, sad Iseult to the t of Oat astastry, although te Matto& that what S ig hal sa jast Mod liews the SOW MI was " a most wainstly *j. 5." Mr. DRUMMOND alatitted that Os Foreign Beers tarp had afforded a stsiefsetacy oplaaaties ; bat ha argued that, it the case of shims is paltry as had boa involved, it were more dignified for linglead to hoes swigged the whole potion to the adjudication of the friendly atediator whose good offices -*IV so frankly offend. Cei DUNNIt had heard with grad satisfaction the state ment of the salts lord. It was said that they ought to preserve at asy.prio—he thought they sought to maintain— tho honour of the country, sad that they bad a right to rat vire roparatios at the hods of Greets. Mr. DISRAELI could not understaad why the stamasat they had jast heard was tot gives a week ago. For himself, on the present occasion, he maw so amenity to enter upon any diversion what *a what were called the ethics of Ores**. Thumb the noble lord, as he was ready to admit, had uplained satisfactorily his answer to the question of the right hon. gentleman the member for Menettuter lest Monday, he was not aware that the noble lord the Fins dishier of State had yet explained to the house the remark able reserve and somewhat equivocal colouring of his reply to the interrogation that took place. He took it for granted, aad be imagined there was so member of that house and no man of sense in this coastrv, who *opposed for • moment that Oratorio sailed the Greek claims forced anything bat • pretest—so one of Naas could tor a moment suppose that • powerful armament of Great Britain was bromhteaddenly into the waters of the IS editeranean to aeons tha suspicious claims of M. Pacifico. There wee of coarse ease cause which was not noted for this demonstratioa ; and there appeared in which ~~ . patina's -__ ____ _ ... *Mariann see n tu., .odd have bees hauler the wicket of doe nein n tba. ants lord tbe weber for Batton (Lod Hobos) that It would be se well an t o loan Bib Owlet atall Abe new bend the bone kin due be' nein and welsh** nts ates of doe .111•1 have , been nib' sir ace table. (Ben,. bent) Ter,' al if nobble] picketers bat Indoor elope of the ceeteetwal non mph I be would not pats felba into the eilftiee ei grew into Mile he has What In ;kowtow of his speech . i (Hoir,,bear.r For' isetaarn be . isplereed kb won* the of:4liter' bad sot dwelt epos the eimneratisa of the apelL . ^.lfita *Non corny noble Mead wee is show that • mistake had both made by die Fronk IBA*. Jae Fano Alfalte t ht esp posing that we bad sane • inlan'peosiee. whisk we .sat, kept ; tad that wry ante Biwa non antpletely thawed. (Hear.) rha win*. to which the kn. gaullosaa alludes was the annuaties of-thet lift! of April. Now, on the 23ed of Bpi, Dues Gen made that samusetemeni I to the 0,. k hentinteneaden illr.Wyea, whin, la the opi aloe of Kr. Wyse, nipasin fee the time auttllat an end to his hincliihni sea hegatistor. Whether Kr. Wyse was debt ' se wren in that Isterprendon, sy noble bintre aehtneet sees le now that be wee well blooded is that interpretation, am night la ba ting nonne to coeftive smasures. Bat if he wet tight la that courts sad jutlfled is that interpreter Bea, It leabaine that the convention of the 18th of April must ban Iwo late to influsece the proseedlags of the Fronk en the 23rd—that these four days (the despahit any ant eat on the 11th), were net Iwo nallaissit to Barnet is Gems the condom of the Freon and Bahia neheelleart. And yet, it WOO to Iwo been web • pomade eo the Mc. gentleman that he cannot under rated why my noble friend did sot explain bow it was that the ...alien of the 18th of April did not eonelude the boat. wise of Aiken. Had it appeared to us that Mr. Wens bed Wally mistaken his lastrusions. or the purport of Baron Green ansounemest to the Greek government, then we should have said that the convention of the 18th of April must have its duo course and effect; and In that can, my noble friend would, in his explanation. have laid due ewe phasis upon that amventien. Bat the statement be made precluded the necessity of laying any stress upon IL Whether or not we were right in that interpretation, whether or not Kr. Wyse was right in his interpretation,will be a matter for argument when the hoe. gentleman shall have reed the papers end be a little better informed upon the subject baton us. (Haar.) ' Indeed, the hoe. gentleman seems to *awe the far that there has been a negotiation at Athens at all, and says that nobody ever supposed the matter would have beau settled at Athens. Why, from the verLftrat the question was to be set tled at Athol., not by Dv:English government alone; but the French government use a negotiator there Is whom they had every eionfidem, from his prudent. sad @Rpm+ en.. (Hear, hear.) And the first thing which the Flea* ambassador to this country did was to agree with my noble friend that the negotiation should be conducted at Athens. The proposal first made on the 16th of April, and cirried into effect ea the 18th, less, in effect, an afterthought of the French ambassador; and if Bar in Gros had not thought it right to take the step he did take, it would have meddled the whole negotiation between Bogland and Greece on terms perfectly satisfactory to the English government and the French government, and which we certainly lament did not take effect. The hon. geatlemas has alluded to the ex planation which I gyre a few days ago upon this subject ; and without entering into the general discuision, which I certainly will not do, I am anxious ti state a few words with respect to that explanation. Having been engig-d in public' business, having attended a committee of this house at throe o'clock that day, I hail sot at that time read the despatch which woo read by K. Droops de Limy* to my noble friend. I had seen the general statement in the newspapers that the minister of foreign affairs had received • despatch for the pupase of recalling K. Drouyn de Lhuys, but I had not read the despatch itself. But what I bad read was the despatch of Lord Norstenhy, giving an account of his conversation with General de La hitte ; and when the honourable gentleman asked me if I bad any statement to make, I thought I could not do I better than state very shortly the purport of that despatch. 1 stated that, in consequence of the dispi felt by the French governor. nt at the einduct of her /Cjesty's govern ment with respect to the affsirs of Greece, they had thought it necessary to recall their ambassador from this country. That statement wee in perfect conformity with the fact and with the representation I had received. But, sir, I went on to state that the French Minister for Foreign Affein had stated to Lord Narmaaby that the return of M. Drouyn de L'tuys might be considered as natural, sines, he having been mint here specially on the affairs of Greece, and the negotiation having failed, his mission had reached its termination. Now, sir, it is quite right I should state that by a despatch received I Ohm to-day from Lard Nor enanby, it appears that while Lord Nonninby says that he has a recollection that those were the terms used by Ornerel de Lihitte, he thinks they were terms used in consequence of Lord Nornitaby having stated that the consequence of these events might Whet his position at Peril, and that the words used were rather of civility and kindness to him, Lend Norminby, and that GeLeral de La bitten has since stated he does not recollect using thole words. Lord Normanby says that, that b . ieg the ease, he certainly cannot hold the French minister of Foreign Affairs bound by words he does net recollect. I certainly was not aware of that by the statement of General de Labitte ; I stated it a. Lord Normanby had stated it in his despatch. Whether it was a statement which went in any way to explain the ter mination of K. Drouyo de Lbuys's minion, it was not • matter for which lam responsible. I wished to state that— the French government hating recalled, from displeasure with the conduct of England, their ambassador from this country there had been words used by the French minister for Formica Affairs which maned to imply that he thought the breach was not so serious as from that circumstance alone might be considered. With respect to any other statement of mine, I can only say I answered the questions which were asked me • that when the hon. member for Radnor (Sir J. Walsh) as ked whether we had a copy of that despatch, I thought it was the real purport of his question, and I answered that we had not a ccpy ; and in answer to another hat. gentleman I stated that it had been read to my noble friend. Therefore, the whole state ment I gays presented is fact the whole truth, as far as I knew it. (Hear, hear.) Though the house does not think it proper to enter inter • formal discussion of the affairs of Greece at the present moment, yet I am very sorry there should have been any observations, and I thick there were observations which fell from the hon. member for Center bury (Mr. Smythe) which may tend rather to increase than to diminish the difficulties of this question. (Hear.) With respect to any discussion which may hereafter take place in this house, I shalt be happy to take my full share of rispon•ibility with my noble friend who has conducted these negotiations; because, undoubtedly, although he was the organ of the goverment, and as such is full possession of the confidence of the government, I, ea We head of that government, avow and consider myself to be orderly respon sible for the transaction. (Hear, hear.) I must further add, in opposition to jhe opinion of the hon. gentleman, that Were have been mossious—mere than one occasion—when me .iation and good °fine have bean essential for maintain ing the pease. to ef the tilpleneede animists _ hod Useqdred is smother senate? some intimation of what that MOO really was. It seemed to have been siesemory In the opinion of her Majesty's government that there should be a great demonstration of the pewee of England this year In the Mediterranean sea. The bathtub!' member then taunted the liberal members with the division of opinion among than upon questions of foreign and colonial policy, and the unanimity of the support which they never theless 'traded the ministers on all occasions of importance. The noble lord the member for Hertford (Lord Mattes) who had warned them not to give their opinions oa affairs till the papers were produced, might have remembered with sun faction that the paper. on this subject were in the pomethon of the house—he could not say they were in his possession, for he had not yet received them. But they had come too late ; ld like the to, lord's despe•thes they were too late for the poet. (Laughter.) It the noble Lad could only have Coe trived to let the house have their Greek pares se soon as the French Assembly had bad theirs, they would have listened with much more satisfaction to that masterly exposition which hoc. gentlemen were now obliged to say they would not answer bemuse they bed not read any of the documents which the noble lead, tithe s ime time as he made his speech, took out of his pocket and placed on the table. (Hear, hear.) Without the advantage f reading these documents, he had, perceived a very singular omission in the " masterly state ment" of which they bid heard so much. Throughout that singular exposition, not one allusion had been made to the convention of April in London. Who, no. utterly ignorant on such matters, could possibly have supposed, whilst the noble lord was enter ing into all those interesting details about the deal ings of third-rate diplomatists in • fourth-rate stets, that the foreign minister of England, and the enthusador of the republic of Francis were negotiating together In the capital of Great Britain ? (Hear, hoar.) No doubt the sole grievance of the French nation was, that they should have permitted the limbered°, of their republic to enter into a negotiation, and draw up a convention with the minister of England, and then to find that, instead of these great personages solving the knot, notwithstanding all that de. moutretion of goOd feeling on the part of France, and that employment of powerful energies, —all ended in a 'quibble in • remote center of the world carried on by obscure and sub irdinate individuals. (Hear, hear.) There wets other r=f first importance on this question, for which he had in vein throughout the whole of the " masterly exposition," and had never heard the slightest allusion to them. Had the noble lord made the slightest allusion to the position in which we were placed with respect to Bessie is this affair ? (Hear, - hear.) He (Mr. Disraeli) did not expect the noble lord to eater late the details of his diplo. untie dinner party, nor wish his to eve authentic reasons why the plempotentiery of the Haperor of all the Rundas was not his guest Bat, sundering that even in that book. white they had not had the opportneit, of reading, these Min several deepatehes from the Burden minfelter, mth thee thee& was • party deeply interested la all methen essinseesd with Greece, and one of the thief powers of the world, it would have been ez tremely satin/seem If the noble lord had remembered the existent)* of Raub, and could have informed the house that be sot only bad a prospect of re-establishing • cordial uncle e sterase with Prawn ' bat that our cordial suiderstanding with Ramie was not is the least 'admitted. There wee nee the beet menthe of this throughout his " masterly state .thee."—sot an allusion to the eathestion of April. the most ins putient feature of the etese.—aot the lout intimation of the edbot area Russia of the conduct et her = Ma- There was • third point on V armiest should have liked to hear frees the math author of this " masterly nutmeat" some meheithery explanatioe—respostie_g the Islamise( *lib!' they W sues heard so much. He repethated the tome Whit bif ettesidag the chief of a &pettiest instead of the goverement ; he made no Medullas be tween them ; and, if any th ing had falba from him which seemed to violate that role, it had been unin tentional. The thief criminal, if criminality there were, was the first 'matador. (" Hear, hese," and laughter.) He ern the heed of the cabinet, and as suck wee really . roars - tilde. The noble lord who bad managed th e bunter (Palmerston) etecuphad a rabeedthate postmen. It was quite clear that however unwilling the government wan in the beginning to assent to the 'mediation of Prance, and however impolitic it was to agree to Frazee assuming that doubtful position,—her Majesty's ministers having taken that swine, should have sued medially and etheerely. (Heir, hear.) However imperfect the authority with which the republic of Prase* was Invested for the fulfilment of the common object, tit was; not bet Majesty's government, who had refused arbitration or niedituon, that should have thrown impediments in the way of a satiabetory termination of the affair. Had the government dote so or not ? Had they acted cordially, sincerely, and frankly towards the French republic ? That was the question to be decided, even by these gentlemen who had received the "masterly statement" with nick ready cheer, and had seemed se anxious to prevent dbeamion. On that point the evidence triers the house was complete. In that book, which none of them had yet read, he had almost accidentally dud upon a wear which the house would do well to eoulder. It was I. the deepen* of Lord Normanby to Lord Palmerston ' written OR the 9th of May, s ad re solved on the 10th, describing the effect produced in Paris when the news arrive) of the settlement of the Greek question. Bone conversation woe detailed between Lord Norman!), and the French minister of foreign affairs, General Ds Lthitte; and Lord Norniaiby then pro- lio spit wad moo illsopoil. which ha ha imalstatad visa he Mg lea waved it ham IL Devon Vs IMO% d ltio Oslo of h i d la wit& ho hiswelf to Iwo Poured Oa es s. s „ kb awl is Moo obtalood your onoldo nom sea. thaw .stokes by the reasavevotosank dot ht are ef say of 'Oaks hawses Kr. Wye) aossosert a me es b , a. loom to to gropond to the Greek setresuaret. hustle onsoottoat should Ira be rootamessa wall • twitter advatee Won. s u a he laerostioas to Lain sal Pots; ithast, U /mimeo wa d s Mealy by the two to the Ors* grworassot wore Nobs br th a t the cooretro seslMUlle night et esto nin Whot Ooused d e me timed be hod ptlit ewe le swglsla d yr, last nt. Wyse hod sated tart he MI arm teatetti sad Inteastiass Mr. DlSRAELl—Mediation, no doubt. Lord J. RUSSELL—And when good °fame have been mount for maintaining the pans between two countries. I need only immure, the nee of Naples, in which a demand of ours was enforced by coercive measures and those coer cive measurer were suspended at the requ est of the French government, who offered their good cages on that occasion those good offices were accepted, and were successful, and no coercive message were med. In another ease which took place with regard to Mesieer,_the positions of France and this country were ginned. Frame and Minim were os the eve of hostilities; the good cure of England were tendered, and were successful in putting an end to those hoe ditties, and restoring pesos to the two sentries. (Rear, hear.); 'Therefore, it is not at ell tree, as senora Mein, that good °Sloes may not be of great serene with respect to the maintenance of pease. (Near, hoar.) There are other matters on which the boo. gentleman has spoken, into which I certainly need not enter ; bat, with regard to the tenable tins of this badness, I will say that I agree so far with the hoe. gentleman, the member for Canterbury (Mr. Smythe), that if there is any explanation or any proposition that we can make to the French government, consistent with the honour and the inter. is of England, which may remove these unhappy mieunderstanJings and restore to • state of harmony the relations between the two sentries, there is no effort which her Majesty's government will omit to make in order to attain that desirable obj-et. (Rear, hear.) I trust, notwithstanding the taunts of the hon member for Buckinghamshire (dr. Disraeli) that we shall have credit for cordiality and sincerity in that wish. (Hear, hear.) I do not think that any circumstance which has occurred since I have held the Omuta' I now hold in public affairs has given me so much pin as these unhappy differenon with the government of France. (Hear, hear.) On more than one amnion, upon which I do not wish to enter into the details, we have shown a wish to consult the 'purgers of the government of Franco, whea— -1 will not say the interests of England, but the popular feeling of Englana—was • good deal against the French government. It wee oar wish to show forbearance towards that government, as • government which we wished to see strong and powerful in Europe, and whose exigence and when strength Is essential to the permanent peace of Europe. (Cheer .) I hope, sir, that the discussion may now be allowed to terminate. (Rear, hear.) ADULTERATION OF COFFEE. The question being again put for the house to go Into committee of supply, Mr. ANSTE Y rose, but was fcr some time inaudible, owing to the noise oixasioned by mention leaving the house. He moved the following resolution " That for the sakes( the public health, the improvement of the revenue, and the encouragement of the fair trader, It le expedient that the Commisioners of Eloise be directed to mounts all pupas sold . t CA, tosidits l l l . bsy aka, Wife / 'SE Chlineled- Be i'q r) froV TROMPlONSidilliat lt asorstseilW US . people had to do lidateehe hen wan to bay labs the Sad geed it httee *few were Ur. AMOY gatieeterithent std • '• • - 71 134 V V' •Ifif , ,flll7: .• • MAlflfrffitl' HATT.' I the alder cd the dry hang spite seek tiwrioil In re HAMM sailed the attestiop of Ms }'tie iimiessity of providing semi legal means in the royal nem in ease of war. To SEM: mint fleet on the war eatithbeemeat would, -he elimeene manse. ealistment of about 4000 ewe. Us was tai, moss new reaogniasell by whieu s o to a rr= of sir seamen in case of agency. 'But this practice To otntSasy to the free eosatifutiOn of the emery, sad opposed by public. opinion ; so that any murrain to the violent measeres of the praeo-gsag was henceforth Imposslttle. had substite% for this *bedew method, he tweeted that, epee the breaking out of a ear, her Majesty shield he onspowsrent, to keno a prodsanatioa, assigning a certain form daring which every seamen fa the country should be liable to be sailed on to earn fa the royal easy, the number required being sleeted by ballet at quarterly laureate out of the general mass of MOM ' • sad every man, upon completift the allotted term, being entitled to a pension. He relied upon the register ticket system as providing the machinery for reaching the individual mariners who were to be the subjects of the ballot; est on the downed popularity of the navel service is its present improved sedition ter festinat ing the operatics of his plan, and rendering, indeed, the en listment Osman to a great degree voluntary. In order to increase this inducement to volunteer he proposed some ad Mons to the pay and pensions assigned toe various Oases of seamen wed petty officers. He ealeelated the this would give toe navy the navies' of 26,000 ma pa amass. Re said that this was not a political question, but oae of hitcher impatient, sifacti*g the intents of thole who had crowned Britain with %memo Flory. Admiral BERK BLNY itilogfeed the spirit now manifested by the British seamen, maw whoa desertion had become rare, and their love for the service very cordially *staid. The Admiralty, be declared, bad a reserve of seamen in hand who were available on say occasion of necessity. He epic rided In disapproving of impressment as a system, but con sidered that the power et employing it in sees of great emergency sight to be retained in the hands of the govern ment. The subject then dropped. EXPENSES OF COMMISSIONS OF INQUIRY. Ou the question being pat that the Speaker do now leave the chile, Mr. J. STUART referred to • return purporting to con tain an account of the number and oust of the commisehme of inquiry Weed aline 1630. The document he c of as grossly inaccurate. It eentainoi a list of 91 commis sums, sated to have cost 638,0001. This sum he asserted to be little more than one-fourth of the real amount of the ex pens incurred. The commiseions in fact had cost more than two millions. Col. BIBTHOLIF promised to support the hen. member if he weeld propose a substantive 'slotted for ixquiry into the subject. Sr' F BARING apologia:4 for the absenee of ministers better able to afford information than himself, and suggested the repetition et the question when the miscellaneous esti mates were undsr coostderation. Thehouse then went into committee of supply on this NAVAL ESTIMATES. On the vote fa 1033,9h91. to d.fray the expenses of naval stores, Mr. COBDEN said that his hon. friend the member for Montrese (who was absent) hod given notice of an amend. matt on this vote, which he presumed he would move on some future stage of the estimates, and he thought that the practice of appointing the first day after an adjournment of the house for rping into these votes was not only an ineonvenietit system, but ought to be pot an end to. He belonged to two important committee, up stairs, and it was there agreed that as all the members were not I,k :ly to be in trwn immediately alter the Whiuuntide holidays, the committee would not resume their sitting. till Monday neat. He had ob.e•ved that the government ere tematicady named the day on which parliament assembled for voting large sums In the estimates, and if such a court* were persisted in the house ought to • it by a vote. At the present it we, not the intention of his hon. friend to divide the committee. mere 4 : 111 M 2 242M i 11e* Ise doubted very hither the metes w ere passel foe the se elegies of phas es . npply to Oslo; 01 tuna. Ang ;wear thatnrila chat as the highs,. 'cm we of the dlent,hilis- brought is wart ent - sepudi dues salt. - *Mk lestemedeept Maud this. meet, ta w w partieslars. The right hoes . gentlemen said ;4wen lativibill dredge Spam alm a. effect the ease of Bic J. Brooke, to which ha VOW He had beanie pes. et laud Awl gmegielhed mina hie sett aui lt i,„ .ewdeatillsralisid them nephew. • But bad these Orffse•ammitdd MT et ear ter* ? ,,, fffsere was us 141116. Toed ate els initiates as Ws% as ia di ttornoo showed theadarre was so thaw piteilse.. Beldlhensikesatelainita might ileolli WPM aillitaimMteLeviliba, were VI awl warfare with each Winn het would never think .0 11 en Rnglisb resod ; it was therefore sooestrotui 4 a charge of 20,0091, roe servitiongcinet awe pirates rfillpe Brooke had Lib Imo's& tor them e on their retina g itchgreirre ;' hi poured his browhidee iota Seed Without any suntenens—se- seeweedee,ev- as) inquiry anode; they made no resistance, and a f ter th y ry, la whine ablest 16:11 stffetede which was memo like e..bastue of sheep than anything else, the perhement was salted to grant 2011.4. head for the distraction of flaw, poor Ntriattsrev. The wuy in which Sir J. Brooke treated they tlekert safe shbwed that he did not consider they had been ;spiky ot piney. They had been arardered, In (Map es which woulu• wit kooky a esanittion• far petty lace esT. Mem, hear.) Ho themisre ordered to t h is vote, Th e largest portion was ferphery an the maw of China; but of thh what proof wee there ? Our 60 and g 9 gun stamen watt and took tip a Obilitiim on the Chinese coast, and fired into and der:bred vemehLrtelcitthey assumed to be I irate; then they made an estimate of the number of the caws, and a eorrespoodieg demand for bead-money. There was so proof that they were pirates.; they stiiht be maulers and might have been taught to bs so by cur example is impaling opium. But wily eheuld the navy of this coun try go ever all the world offering their services to slaughter Stumm beings? (Hear, bear.) He doubted the lenhty of this charge. Our admirals wore strictly prohibited from meddling with the intestine broils of thews tribes; and look ing at the misgivings entertained by the governor. ot them selves, there was presumptive proof that these ear= were dinged. There woe no evidence whatever that any rd th ee . K-celled pirates had attacked say of our ships errayed in commune, and on thews grounds ho objec:td to the v,ta. Mr G. PECHELL said that if the honourable mem ber for the West Riding divided the committee, be should support him. There was a large class of vessels from 28 to 44 gene, which never could come into no. to war, and which ought to be put up to auction. He complained of t►e enormous expenditure of coals in the steamers and said that he believed a saving of 201. per day might be effected by the eceaomioal management of these vessels. Sit F. BARING expressed his regret that the hon. number for Mow rose was not present, but observed that that bon. member was perfectly well aware that the estimates would be brought on upon this occasion. Great reductions in the estimates had been made—in coals alone these redae•ions were 24,000 f. Sir G. PBC HELL admitted that eonaidorable reductions had been efLeted by the Admiralty, but observed that much further reductions might take place. Copt. FITZROY thought that some improvement might be *tiered in the plan of coaling the acumen. Bit F. BARING said the subject was udereonsideration and that much mut, of course, deptud upon t h e eircum- Henries of time and plane. Mr. DISRAELI was of opinion that important business ought to he brought on immediately after the holidays, not withstanding the absence of the hon. member for Montrose. After a few words from Lord J. MANNERS, the vote was *gifted to. Upon the vote of 324,5391. far ri‘ w works, improvements, and repairs in the yard.. &e., Sir W. MOLESWORTH ohjoetrd to the passing of such an enormous sum. He proposed to step the works, end moved r an amendment a reduction in the vote of 14e,0001. Sir F. BARING opposed the amendment, upon the ground that it would be both unwise and impolitic to stop the works._ Mr. HENRY DRUMMOND was ecdentood to say that there less &bundles' proof, in the remade of our v .yarers of the piracies committed in the Borneo ' , seers. The tribe; might be at war usenet themselves, I ut they were not the law pirates on tied account. The judgra , nt of every coast at Si gapora had declared them to be pirates. TM reason of thole attacks against Ss J. Brooke mac that ace?. taitt person bad sought to obtain a share in his under.aking, and had been disappointed; and hence the envenomed at tacks of Sir J. Brooke. Ho hoped the hon. gen.l , man would allow tots question to be sully discussed wheu the vote for Sir J. Brooks came before the hon... Mr. COBDEN said the kon. mesa ,at was 'peaking of a different set of tribe* from those he had alled'd to. He spoke of Latium, but Sir J. Brooke did not live within 300 miles of that place • he was :icing on his own property is the eguiromi character of a rajsh, and readying 2,0001. a year from the government as &weenier of Labean and 6001 as consul to kis own court. libel had be sides appointed a deputy-goesreor et 1,2001. a ear, sod the whole ialand was in confusion hectaaa the ii.uteLant-evernor had miatonducted himself in the etrence of the governor. (Hear, hi ar.) The boa. gentleman would not tolerate join in England, end he hoped he was n.d going to tolerate them In Borne.. He had no personal hostility to Sir James Brooke; he sever sew him in his life; he had never come into contact with Lim, bat he had a right to speak of him on public route's when he was casied on to Tot* away the money of hie conitituents. (Hear, hag.) He had a right to speak of him when he was called on to vote 100,0001. where no grounds had been ah two fsr the claim, and where these privets, if pirates tbsy wire, were only disputing 101011aSi. themselves. (Hear, bear ) Mr. DUEMMOND said that it was very pronehle that the depredations of these pirates extended over 3 1 )0 mile!, because they had large deep rivers, along which they sailed. (Hear, hear.) Mr. COBDEN said that !sebum was at the elm mity of the island, anti Sarawak wel at the norh west 0 , 3.4', and a person must go by tea to get there. (Hear, hear.) Ile was u:t doing to let the hon. gentleman tiff that way. (" Hear, hear," and taught. r.) Mr. PLO WDEN splice from his sun kitowle.'ge as to the d , sperate piracies committed in she Jaeaneee s• as by the maritime; tribe against whom toe British ships bed recently beeneopaged.. . Mr. li . ll:lGfiT remarked that all the facts ment'oned by the hon. memb r referred to dates previous to 1916. No modern evidenco had been adduced to lastil the Vote Sir G. BAKING viewed the opposition to tho vlte le a stigma upon the ot6e. rs who had gallantly performA a (hi. agreeable and dangerous duty. He explained th.. Nal rra. promise rrquisite beicre the head-money could be &hotted, and showed that it involved a suttltient inquiry into the fact of a piracy. MlCtorther discussion!olt)wel, anti. which Tha ATTUItNEY , GENERAL . observed that the cos. mine* wore debating upjn a point which an act of par:is mint already pa.s_d had Wiwi out of their di‘cretion. It was ordered by that statute that the money now asked should be paid, aid, without repealing the act, they cold not refuse it. The O'GORMAN MARON reed from ea ofcia returt the bummer, of 2d laratical attacks %too,. 11. itish vossals the Horatio etas mote 1539 Tao opposaitivo to tee grant he dcsiinited cc "twaddle." Col. iIiONIPSON indinnwly denounced the ►tmaties which men calliog themselves CMT:41.111111cluld commit . , and a British parliament could sanction sad reward. Mr Syduey Herbert, Mr. 1111 M, and the Attorneyj.Gette• ral, having followed with sense explanations regaling S.r J. Brooke, . . The committee divided on an amendment for postponing the vote. For the amendment 2O Apintt it The emendmeat was consequently Est, the vote was aereed te, the house resumed, and t to report was ordered w bo received to-morrow (this day). EXCHEQUER BILLS (3,535,7001) BILL. This bul was r..ad a Pecoad time. CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. The co r mittee on this bill was postponed. PUBLIC HEALTH (SCOTLAND) BILL. _ . _ _ In ri pl to Mr. OSWALD, B.r G. GREY cud he could not state wheth,r this bill would be pr:ceedid with this session, as it depended upon the progress of uther business WEST INDIA APPEALS BILL. This bill pursed through committees. ALTERATION IN PLEADINGS DILL, T his bill also passed through committee. WOOD USED IN SIIIP-BUILDING.. The house having gone into committee on , his in' ject, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Liutastsd that it was his intention to oppose the further pr , zes.lui on the rieolation of the hen. member for Bei .pert JIG Mitchell), and wee proceeding to state his reasons, •h.n Mr. BROTHERTON moved that the chairman repot progress, and ask leave to sit again. The gallery was then cleared for a division, but now took • Mr. PETO mid he bad inspected the works In question, and that anything more beautiful he bad never seen • but he advised the house to stop with the amount now proiXised. Mr. COBDEN maintained ghat in voting now 120.0001. for steam basins, it was only voting another step towards the whole establishment, inasmuch as the sole intention in building them huge basins was to cot struct huge factories alongside of them. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman having read a long extract from the report of the committees, observed that it was their opinion that when they had com pleted thine factories there would be required for wages alone in connection with them no less a sum than 80,0001., which they all knew implied an outlay of 30 or 40 per cent. mere for changes. It was not a question whether they would stop at 120,0001., but whether they would complete the Whs. The committee had decided that keeping up those establishments was utterly useless, and he was therefore E g e ole. l to a vote which, in order to make it available, must deateseensiderable annual expenditure. He would, l his hon. friend in his endeavour stop Obese work= to altogether. Six F. BARING assured the hon. gentleman that there was not a sixpence in the estimate intended for factories, and that nothing should be done respecting them without bringing it before the house for consideration. Admiral BOWLES urged the necessity of building a steam ballast Plymouth, as a step of vital importance to England as a maritime power. Mr. MACGREGOR supported the vote. Mr. BRIGHT replied to the argument that it was m ensal to hate thole establishments in order to meet concur rent steps on the pert of Francs, by showing that France had not. but that we had, extensive resources in our nume rous private establishments on the Clyde, the Mersey, and the Thames, capable of meeting any emergency that was likely to era*. Kr. CORRY contended that it was necessary to have ships ready built, and that it was en error to sup pose that France had not numerous dockyards along her coast when steam vessels could be repaired. Mr. COBDEN said at present in their steam manufacto ries they manufactiared boilers. He thought they would do better not to manufacture boilers at all, but to contract for them. Then might be a great difference of opinion be tween civilians and professional men, as to the amount of forme they should keep up in time of peace. He believed that professional men, if they had their way, would have constantly maintained a force as great as that which we had in the French war, and they had no thought or care fre the expense. He did not think it wise to impose them great burdens on the people in time of pesos ; he was quit* ready to run the risk, rather than bare the burden. After a few words Orem Mr. Cony, Admiral Bawlee, and Capt. Harris, Sir W. MOLEBWORTH said if under this vote it was not intended to include any outlay for factory buildings, he would not persist in his amendment. Sir F. BARING said then was nothing for factory buildings included In this Tote. The vote was then agreed to. The sum of 27,1301. for medicines and medical sterns was agreed to without remark. The next item was 107,3301. for miscellaneous services. Mr. COBDEN said in this sum 100,0001. was included for the capture of pirates, and the destruction of enemies' Wisc. He asked for an explanation of that. Lord D. STUART would like to know how many enemies' ships bad been captured, and how many piratioal meads had been taken ? lie had not heard that we had BOARD OF HEALTH, &o. telot been at war lately. Oa the motion of Sir G. Purieu., some 1. Sr F. BARING said they had had several discussions to the expenditure of the Board of Health owl L wan' relating to heed money for pirates. 20,0001. of this was for sinners of Lunacy were ordered. the capture of the Borneo pirates. The house adjourned at twenty minutes attar '2 0't1046 place. - On oar te-admisaion, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was al dressing the bouts. He said he was of opinion the s'd drawbacks should be put an end to as tar as p goita.e. The ' only mode in which it had been suggested that direr draw backs on timber used in shipbuildtng coed be carnet J3l, was by employing the surveyors et Lloyd's ; but the number of vessels to which this would apply amounted only a third of the registered vessels is the king,'.om. and by far the greater number of vessels wthl 3 were thus surveyed the drawback would not spp:y to, as they were vessels of • superior description. Vit:n ward to fishing boats and coasting vessels and heroes o! t h at de scription, ao check whatever was proposed. l' not quite true there was • drawback on timber used t r 'oadditut churches, but that was an example rather to b. avoided than followed, and in the case of churches the quantity need could be easily 'ascertained. He did tot mean to say that these drawbacks would cause any scums loss to the revenue. Of course, on the other the benefit would be but small. But he thought it wound open a great door to fraud. (lieu, h ear .) At 'he same time, he was bound to say t hat the whole gate of the timber duties was most unsatisfactory. Mu) of the least valuable timbers paid • very high duty, and many of the most valuable timber raid no duty at all, and he hoped the hon g. ntleman suppose from anything he had said, that he should present an obstacle to the revision of these duties. He enured that the chairman leave the chair. Mr. CARDWELL thought the house was quite justified in the resolution they came loon a former evening roPeculf this drawback. Mr. MITCHELL said the expense of employint surveyor would only be 11. for each verse •1, sal it would he. therefore, entirely a matter fur the c-naideration of the owners of small vessels, whether it was worth ,hile to go to that expense. And he did not think th er th-y could rot t °vide against fraud. He proposed that there s hould Ns certificate that that the wood had paid duty and the name 01 the importer it was purchased from. After a few words from the CIILNCCI.I.OR of the IF 5 ,•1 . ,5• faUfill, in explanation of the statement lie 11:.d 011 s previous occasion, Mr. WYLD expressed his belief that no fraud had beta occasioned by the drawback on timber used iu maths. Mr. RICARDO supported the motion, on the ground that under the new navigation laws, any amount of foreign timber knocked together in the shape a • ship escaped the duty, while the raw article, which would give empioymellt to our artisans, was subject to • heavy duty. At present. 410 olusitleatiou at Lloyd's depended on the bind ofanther em ployed in the construction of moils; and the ammo test Mk" be applied under the proposed medlars. The committee then divided ct For the amendment Against it The chairman left the chair sccordiustly, sal the bout* retuned. THE EXPREBE. iititiAle ' iliVikiiiiltltiii KIM& : , ' ;-..: _ ~. ~.,;4 4 2, ,, _ . . ~..-......-.-.,-.-......r:rP' 'Oats. that IP Ira t ere likt(lit J. W ahl ). 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