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226 the merits of the question ; and he believed that no vote would confer more honour than that of Tuesday upon the Parliament of 1852. Mr. ROEBUCK protested against Lord Palmerston's assertion that the vote of Tuesday was carried by a "conspiracy of parties." Mr. GLADSTONE maintained that the house was bound, before granting supplies, t-1 require an answer to the question of what was to be the policy of the Government towards China during the next three months:— Hostilities are now going forward. It was the duty of the advisers of the Crown, when they determined on adopting hostilities, to come down in time to the House of Commons and to ask the judgment and approval of the house for those hostilities. ( Hear, hear.) Who are to be charged with the expenses of the war? I apprehend it is the people of England. Who i s au th or i se d to tax the people of England for carrying on that war? ( Hear, hear.) Is it the noble viscount? (Cheers.) I entreat this house not to be beguiled for one moment into forget fulness of its first and most essential function. (Cheers.) It is our right, and cur right alone, to vote the supplies oat of which are to be paid the means of carrying on hosti lities in China. ( Hear, hear.) But, now that these hosti lities have been condemned as to their principles and ob ject, the members of the Government come down to this house with that condemnation before them, speak of it as a resolution of the hon. member for the West Riding, and distinctly intimate to us that the war is to be carried on in China just as it would have been if that vote had never been come to. (Cheers.) Most anxious as I am, in com mon with the right hon. gentleman the member for Buck. in{hamshire, to afford every just and reasonable facility for putting forward the public business, I frankly own that I am not prepared to abdicate the essential duties of the House of Commons. (Cheers.) The House of Commons and its rights and privileges have already been:disparaged by the Government. They constituted and created a state of war in Persia, and they began hostilities in China without the authority of Parliament. ( Hear, hear.) It is not the duty of Parliament to allow these things to proceed, and then to have a bill rendered, and be told " There is our charge." (Cheers.) Yon might as well shut up the doors of this house. (Cheers.) It is our duty as well as our privilege at the time when we vote the supplies—before and not after hostilities—to be the judges of the purposes for which those supplies are given. I defy the noble lord to escape from the principle which the constitution of Eng land has laid down as to the right of Parliament over voting the supplies for the purpose of carrying on the undertakings of the Government. I hope, therefore, we shall obtain a clear answer—as yet we have had absolutely none—to the question which has been put before the Government. (Cheers.) Mr. T. DUNCOMBE defended lord Palmerston's foreign policy, and said he was convinced, if the noble lord proclaimed to the country that he would maintain the honour of the national flag, and with respect to domestic policy make more decisive terms with the Liberal party, that he might defy the petty jealousy by which he was surrounded and sst at naught unprincipled cabals. Sir F. BARING pressed the inquiry, which ho con aidered a most important one, whether Sir John Bowring—whose conduct, he said, had been de fended by none except on the Treasury bench, and hardly there—was to continue in his present situation. Lord PALmEnsToN in general reply made the fol lowing statement : Sir, there will be no change,and can be no change, in the policy of the Government with respect to events in China. The policy of the Government is to maintain in China, as elsewhere, security fur the lives and property of British subjects—to maintain the rights of this country as arising out of treaty obligations —to endeavour by negotiations either to improve our existing relations or to restore ami cable relations if events have brought about a rupture. A shorttime before this outbreak occurred we, iu con junction with France, and as we trusted in conjunction with the United States, by negotiations with the Court of Pekin hoped to improve our commercial relations with China. Without stating to the house anything that will prejudice matters still under consideration, I am bound to say that it will necessarily he the subject of serious de liberation who the person shall be to whom shall be corn witted so grave and important a charge. It must strike every• one that a person who shall start from these shores on such a mission should be imbued with the feelings of the Government on this subject, and that, being the reci pient of their verbal instructions, he would be likely to carry more wei4ht than any person who might happen now to be in China. (Cheers.) However, in saying that, the house will see that I w no means undervalue the merits of Sir J. liowring. to whom I think the greatest injustice has been done, and whose merits have been disparaged to a degree that has astonished me. But, at the same time, the Government cannot shut their eyes to the gravity and importance of the matters in hand, and it will be their duty to select for these negotiations, if they take place, some person whom they consider best calculated to carry theta to a successful termination. (Cheers.) The house must therefore'expect our policy to remain the same; it is to maintain the rights and to defend the lives and properties of British subjects, to improve our relations with China, and, in the selection of those means and the arrangement of those means, to perform the duty that they owe to the country. (Cheers.) SUPPLIES. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated the course he intended to take on Friday. In a corn- THE PRESS. mittee of ways and means he would propose the tea and sugar duties for the next current year, making this difference, that the duty on tea would be reduced to Is. sd. instead of Is. 7d., and that the sugar duties should remain as they were. He would also ask for leave to bring in a bill to carry into effect the reduc tion of the income tax for one year. Mr. GLADSTONE thought the house should not be culled upon to decide upon these proposals without notice. The motion to adjourn was then withdrawn. Mr. MAcKtsNox withdrew his motion on the sub ject of inquiry into the land tax. DIVISION ON MR. COBDEN'S MOTION ANALYSIS. AYES-263. LIBERALS. Coles, H. B. Maunsell, T. P. Alcoa, T. Compton, H. C. Maxwell, Colonel Baring, Sir F. T. Conolly, T. Meux, Sir H. Bell, J. Corry, H. L. Miles, W. Bellew, T. A. Cotton, W. H. S. Morgan, 0. Bowyer, G. Dalkeith, Earl of Mowbray, J. R. Crook, J. Davies, D. A. S. Mundy, W. Dunlop, A. M. Davison, R. Nana, Lord Fitzgerald, W. R. S. Deedes, W. Napier, J. Fox, W. J. Disraeli, B. Neeld, J. Goderich, Viscount Doi, J. W. Newdegate, C. N. Greene, J. Drat, J. S. W. Newport, Viscount Grosvenur, Lord R. Duckworth, Sir J. Nisbet, R. P. Hadfield, G. T. B. Noel, G. J. Hanbury, C. S. B. Duncombe, Hon. A. North, Colonel Heywottli, L. Duncombe, Colonel Northcote, Sir S. H. Hogg, Sir J. W. Duncombe, Hon. Oakes, J. H. P. Kennedy, T. W. E. Oasulston, Lord King, P. J. L. Dundas, G. Packe, C. W. Laiug, S. Dunne, Colonel Pakington, Sir J. Langton, W. G. Du Pre, C. G. Palk, L. Laslett, W. East, Sir J. B. Palmer, Robert Layard, A. H. Elmley, Viscount Parker, R. T. Lindsay, W. S. Evelyn, W. J. Peacocke, G. M. W. Locke, J. Farnham, E. B. Pennant, Colonel MacEvoy, E. Fellowea, E. Portal, M. M'Mahon, P. Fergusson, Sir J. Pugh, 1). Meagher, T. I'loyer, J. Repton, G. W. J. M tall, E. Follett, B. S. Rust, J. Mut-rough, J. P. Franklyn, G. %V. Sandars, G. Otway, A. J. Fuller, A. E. Scott, F. Paxton, Sir J. Gallwey, Sir W. P. Seymer, H. K. l'ellatt, A. Galway, Viscount Shirley, E. P. Petry, Sir T. E. Gilpin, Colonel Sibthorp, Major Phillimore, J. O. Graham,Lord M.W. Smith, Abel Phillimore, R. J. Greenall, G. Smith, W. M. Pilkington, J. Grogan, E. Somerset, Colonel Ricardo, J. L. Guernsey, Lord Spooner, 11. Roebuck, J. A. Guinness, R. S. Stafford, A. Russell, Lord J. Gwyn, H. Stanhope, J. B. Seobell, Captain Hale, R. B. Stanley, Lord Smith, J. B. Halford, Sir H. Stirling, W. Starkie, Le G. N. Hall, General Stracey, Sir H. J. Sullivan, M. Hamilton, Lord C. Stewart, Sir M.R.S. Swift, R. Hamilton, G. A. Stuart, Captain Thompson, G. Hamilton, J. H. Stint, C. N. Tite, W. Hamilton, R. C. N. Stnrt, H. G. Warner, E. Handcock,Capt. H. Sutton, J. H. M. Williams, W. Harcourt, Colonel Taylor, Colonel CONSKRTATIVER. Hardy, Cr. Thesiger, Sir F. Adderley, C. B. Hayes, Sir E. Trollope, Sir J. Annealey, Earl of Heathcote, Sir W. Tyler, Sir G. Arbuthnott, Hon. Heneage, G. H. Vance, J. General Henley, J. W. Vane, Lord H. Bagge, W. Henniker, Lord Vernon, G. E. H. Bailey, Sir J. Herbert, Sir T. Vernon, L. V. Bailey, C. Herbert, P. E. Vyse, Colonel Baillie, H. J. Hervey, Lord A. Waddington, D. Baldock, E. Hildyard, R. C. Waddington, H. S. Ball, E. Hill, Lord A. Walcott, Admiral Baring, T. Holford, R. S. Walpole, S. H. Barrington, Viscnt. Hotham, Lord Walsh, Sir J. B. Barrow, W. H. Hume, W. F. Warren, S. Bective, Earl of Jermyn, Earl Welby, Sir G. E. Bennet, P. Johnstone, J. Whiteside, J. Bentinck, Lord H.Johnstcne, J. J. H. Whitmore, H. Bernard, Hon. \V. Johnstone, Sir J. Wigram, L. T. Bipnold, Sir S. Jolliffe, Sir W. G. H. Willoughby, Sir H. Bolder°, Colonel Jolliffe, H. H. Woodd, B. T. Bond, J. W. AVG. Kelly, Sir F. Wyndham, Gen. ltrarnston, T. W. Kerrison, Sir E. C. Wyndham, H. Bruce, Major C. Knatchhull, W. F. Wynn, Lient.-Col. Bruce, H. A. Knight, F. W. Wynn, Sir \V. W. Buck, Colonel Knox, Colonel Wynne, W. W. E. ltunbury,W.B.M'C. Knox, W. S. Yorke, E. T. Burghley, Lord Lacon, Sir E. INDEPENDEN r. Burroughes, H. N. Lennox, Lord A. F. Cardwell, E. Butt, G. M. Lennox, Lord H. G. Gladstone, W. Cabbell, 11. B. Leslie, C. P. Gladstone, Captain Cairns, H. %I - C. Lindsay, Colonel Gordon, A. Cantu, Sir J. R. Lockhart, A. E. Graham, Sir J. Cecil, Lord R. Lovaine, Lord Greene, I'. Chandos, Mary. of Lowther, Captain Haddo, Lord Chelsea, Viscount Lytton, Sir G. E. Herbert, S. Child, S. L. B. Palmer, Roundell Christy, S. Mscartney, G. Peel, General Clinton, Lord R. TUG regor„l. Clive, R. Maddock, Sir H. TELLERS. Cobbold, J. C. Melina, R. Cobden, R. Cochrane, A. D. B. Manners, Lord G. Gibson, T. H. Cocks, T. S. Manners, Lord J. Cole, H. A. March, Earl of Liberals Conservatives Independent Members lO SATURDAY, NOES-247. CONSERVATIVES. Currie, R. Mitchell, T. A. Antrobus, E. Dashwood, Sir G.H. Moffatt, G. Beckett, W. Denison, J. E. Monk, Viscount Bentinck, G. W. P. Dent, J. D. Moncrieff, J. Blandford, Mrq. of Dillwyn, L. L. Monsell, W. Bruce, Lord E. Divett, E. Morris, 1). Butt, I. Duff, G. S. Mostyn, T. E. M. L. Chohnondeley,Lord Duke, Sir J. Mowatt, F. H. Duncan, Viscount Munts, G. F. Coote, Sir C. IL Duncan, G. Napier, Sir C. Denison, E. buncombe, T. Norreys, Sir D. J. Drummond, H. /Andes, F. North, F. Egerton, E. C. Dunne, M. O'Brien, P. Erulyn, Viscount Ellice E.( Coventry) O'Brien, T. Fenwick, H. Ellice, E. (St. An. O'Connell, Capt D. Gurney, J. H. drew's) O'Flaherty, A. Harcourt, G. G. Elliot, J. E. Oliveira, B. Heneage, G. F. Easton, Earl of Osborne, R. Herbert, H. A. E wart, J. C. Paget, C. Horsfall, T. B. Fagan, W. Paget, Lord A. Kendall, N. Feilden, Major Paget, Lord G. Ker, R. Fergus, J. Palmerston, Visct. Kirk, W. Ferguson, Colonel Pechell, Sir G. B. Laffan, R. M. Ferguson, Sir R. Peel, Sir R. Leigh, G. C. Ferguson, J. Peel, F. Masterman, J. Fitz Gerald, Sir J. Pigott, F. Moody, C. A. Fitzgerald, J. D. Pinney, Colonel Owen, Sir J. Fitzßoy, H. P3llarii-Urquhart,W Philipps, J. H. Fitzwilliam,C.W.W.Ponsonby, A. Cr. J. Pritchard, J. Fitzwilliam, G. W. Portman, W. H. B: Robertson, P. F. Forster, C. Ramsden, Sir J. W. Smijth, Sir W. Forster, J. Itayilliam, Viscount Smyth, Colonel Forte:cue, C. S. Rebow, J. G. Tempest, Lord A.V. Freestun, Colonel Reed, Major J. H: Tomline, G. Gifford, Earl of Ricardo, 0. Tyrell, Sir J. T. Glyn, G. C. Ricardo, S. Wyndham, W. Gower, F. L. Rice, E. R: LIBEItALS. Grace, 0. D. J. Ridley, G. Acton„T. Gregson, S. Russell, F. C. H. Adair, Colonel Grenfell, C. W. Russell, F. \V. Agnew, Sir A. Greville, Colonel Sandon, Viscount Anderson, Sir J. Grey, Sir G. S aw l e , C. B. G. Bagshaw,J. Grey, R. W. Scholefield, W. Bagwell, J. Hal, Sir B. Scrope, G. P. Baines, M. T. Hankey, T. Scully, F. Ball, J. Hastie, Alexander Seymour, H. D. Bass, M. T. Hastie, Arclid. Seymour, W. D. Baxter, W. E. Headlam, T. E. Shafto, R. D. Beaumont, W. B. Heard, J. I. Shee, IV. Berkeley, Sir M. Higgins, Colonel 0. Shelley, Sir J. V. Berkeley, H. F. Holland, E. Sheridan, It. B. Berkeley, F. W. F. Horsman, E. Smith, J. A. Bethell, Sir R. Howard, C. W. G. Smith, M. T. Biddulph, R. M. Howard, Lord E. Smith, R. V. Biggs, J. Hughes, H. G. Stafford, Marquis of Black, A. Hutt, W. Stanley, W. 0. Bonham-Carter, J. Ingham, R. Steel, J. Bouverie, E. P. Ingram, H. Strickland, Sir G. Boyle, W. U. ,Taokson, W. Thorneley, T. Brand, H. Keating, R. Thornhill, NV. P. Brocklehurst, J. Kingscote, R. N. F. Tollemache, J. Brockman, E. D. Kinnaird, A. F. Traill, G. Brown, H. Labouchere, H. Tynte, Col. C. J. K. Buckley, General Langston, J. H. 'Uxbridge, Earl of Butler, C. S. Langton, H. G. Villiers, H. C. Brig, G. H. C. Lewis, Sir G. C. Vivian, H. H. Casilerosse, Visct. Lowe, R. Walmsley, Sir J. Cavendish, C. C. Luce, T. Walter, J. Cavendish, G. Mackie, J. Watkins, Colonel L. Cayley, E. S. Mackinnon, W. A. Weguelin, T. N. Challis, Alderman WTaggart, Sir J. Wells, W. Chambers, M. Megan, W. H. Whitman, J. Chambers, T. Mangles, R. D. Whitbread, S. Chaplin, IV. J. Majoribanks, D. C. Wickham, H. W. Clay, J. Marshall, W. Wilkinson, W. A. Clay, Sir W. Martin, J. Willcox, B. M`Gr. Clifford, H. M. Martin, P. W. Williams, Sir W. F. Clive, G. Martin, C. IV. Wilson, J. Cobbett, J. N. Massey, W. N. Wood, Sir C, Codrington, Gen. Matheson, A. Wortley, J. S. Coffin, W. Milligan, R. Wrightson, W. B, Cowan, C. Mills, T. TELLERS. Cowper, IV. F. Mines, R. M. Hayter, IV. G. Cranford, E. H. J. Milton, Viscount Mulgrave, Earl of Crossley, F. Miohell, W. Conservatives Liberals PAIRS. 247 FOR GOVERN3IE2:T: Mr. Tancred (L) FOR MR• COBDEN . / iwovois. Mr. Blackburn (C) Mr. Wyvill (L) Mr. Vansittart (C) Mr. J. Duff (L) Mr. Freshfield (C) Mr. Rumbold (L) Mr. Buck (C) Sir J. Matheson (L) Sir G. Booth (L) Mr. Bland (L) Captain Archdall (C) Mr. Henchy (L) Mr. Percy (C) Mr. Esmond (L) Mr. Goddard (C) Mr. Deo) , (L) Sir G. Forster (C) Mr. Beamish (L) Mr. Baird (C) Mr. Heathcote (L) Mr. Long (C) Sir H. F. Davie ( L) Cobnel Forester (C) Mr. Atherton (L) Mr. Lloyd Davies (C) Mr. Colvile (C) Colonel Lowther (C) Mr. Collier (L) Mr. Lushington ( C ) Mr. H. Baring (C) Sir Francis Baring (C) Earl Grosvenor (L) Sir P. Egerton (C) Colonel French (L) Mr, Montgomery (C) Mr. Sergeant O'Brien (L) Mr. George (C ) Sir T. Acland (C) Sir W. Verner (C) Sir R. Bulkeley) (L) Mr. T. P. Williams (C) Mr. Foley (L) Mr. Wilson Patten (C) Mr. De Vere (L) Mr. Burrowes ( C ) Mr. Heywood (L) Sir C. Burrell ((,)