The Express. — London, England, 1855-02-20 00:00:00

'"NNL I \ . IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—MONDAY, Fr.B. 19. ROYAL ASSENT. Usk lemblige Mt shortly atm fear o'clock, whew the • Aswistimi gives by esessides le the North Amalie= • lsri.. BM. The lords comehelewers were the Lord Chem.llor, the Duke of Argyll. sad She Earl of Hardwick.. THI CRIMEA.—THE LAND TRANSPORT CORPS. THE NEW TURKISH CONTINGENT. Shortly after flee o'clock, The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said he endothelia there WAS no objection to the production of certain papas for which he desired to move is reforests to the Lend Transport Corps. He should move, therefore, for as mush of $ despatch of Lord Raglan, dated the 26th Jaauary, as related to the hrmatioa of the Land Transport Corps. He wished rtes to ask the noble lord (Lord Penman) whim be Intended to lay ea the table the convention recently can shaded with Turkey ? Lord FANMIIRE was understood to intimate that the matter was sot la his department. The Eulof ELLENBOROVOH had thought that as the sable lord was War Minister, a matter which related solely to war was in his department. He would, however, put the qinatioe to the noble sail at the head of the Foreign• alas; bat as he wished to make some observations on the lashiset, be would take the opportunity of introducing t►e matter oa the motion for the wand reading of the Enlist meat Bill. The Earl of CLLRENDON said be could not lay on the table the treaty; it we, to be ratified within six weeks from the time of ►ignature. The Earl of ELLENBOROUSH was very sorry to hear that six weeks were to elapse before the ratification. Six weeks was a eampaign, and if they did not begin to revs the men till after ail weeks, there would be no possibility of arias them this year. Lord PARKE/IR was understood to say that he did not object to the noble earl's motion for a copy of apart of Lord Raglan's despatch otitis. 26. The Esrl of ELLENBOROUSH said there wine two Foliate is reference to that subject which he wished to press ea the noble lord's attention. He entirely approved of the formation of the Lead Transport Corps, and thought it would in all probability enable them for the first time to move their army. Bat two things were absolutely ern tial ; first, *lathe Director• General of the Lead Transport Corps should himself be responsible for the finding of Teo visions for the aaimals employed, instead of depending es the commissariat ; secondly, that be should have at his ea tire disposal the sea treasport service, by means of which the animals were to be conveyed to the Crimea. Earl GREY presented a petition from the Manchester Chamber of COMBOTCO. praying that measures might be taken to ensure the efficiency of the transport service. The house then adjoarned at ten Wastes to six. HOUSE OF LT, FED. 19. NEW MEMBER. Sir C. Lawn took the oaths sad his seat tot Radnor, Is the place of Sir T. F. Lewis. deceased. PRIVATE BUSINESS, - The following bill. were read a semed time and com mitted :—Bangor Markets and Public Institutions ; Bir kenhead, Lancashire , and Cheshire, and Great Weston Railways; Bridport Railway ; Great Western and Brant ford Railway ; Hoarwithy Bridge ; Bonito's Road ; Lan caster Water and Gas; London and Brasaington Road; Saint Helen's Improvement ; Sligo Gas; &menet Central Railway; Tormoham and Saint Mary Church Gsa; Torquay Water; Uphill and Blandon Road; Weston-super-Mare Goa; Wolverhampton Corporation Water ; and Duraley sad Midland Railway Bills. Oa the motion that th• But and West India Dock Bill ba read a second time, The boss' divided— For the emend voiding 26 Arica it 249-126 The bill was sonaniumtly lost. The Lmclon and St. Katharine Dock Bills wen with drawn. CAPITAL . I.. .viomMENT (SCOTLAND). OA the motion of Mr. EWART, OA Add Zen wall ordered for return, showing for what crimes capital punishment is still retain ed by the law of Britland, basics been abolished for similar crimes by the law of England. CAMPAIGN IN THE BALTIC. Mr. MALINS gave notice that oa as only day ha wooM *all attostfna to the node in wltioh the .arepelia k the Bahia had boa 'adducted ander the Nomad et The- Admiral Sir C. Napier. CLOTHING OF THE ARMY. Mr. NEWDEGATE begged to ea the Under-Secretary, of State foe the War whether steps had been taken to pro vide the army, in the East with clothing suitable fora spring or summer campaign, and to replace the tents worn out or destroyed during the present winter? Mr. F. PEEL said he understood the question to apply, to the clothing for summer wear, in addition to their ordi nary, elothiug. A communication had been made to the Horse Guards, in order to wedeln what clothing would be stoat suitable, and when that was decided it would be seat out, and there would be ample time to do so befere it wee required. With regard to tents, be had to say, that every , regiment which had left this cc.untryy, bad taken a supply of tang with it; and orders bad been given by, the War Department that 3,000 other tents should be provided, and which were nearly, ready for embarkation. Mr. NEWDEGATE said there was one part of the sub jest on which the hon. gentleman had not touched, and he wished it to be explained whether the ordinary, supply, of clothing was in preparation. Mr. PEEL said he understood that the ordinary, clothing was usually issued at the commencement of the financial year, and be supposed it would be issued in the same manner this year. THE SOLDIERS' LOSSES. Mr. NOEL begged to asitviimlter , Ttwas the intention of the government to give to them soldiers of the British Army in the Crimea who might survive, new kits, and mob aseessary utiolos as had been lost or rendered unservice able ? _ _ Mr. PEEL said it was the intention of the government to replace the kits of the men which had been lost in service against the enemy, and the hon. and salient gentleman would find in the estimates a vote for the purpose of bearing the expense of replacing them. THE SALE OF BEER BILL. Mr. H. BERKELEY begged to ask the Secret oil State for the Home Department, whether it was the intent of government to :2:al the act passed lut seesion for the refutation of the of beer on the Sabbath? Sir G. GREY said that there was no intention on the part of the government to introduce a bill to repeal the act Crlut session ter the regulation of the sale of beer on the Itth. That act having been only in operation for a short time, it was thought inexpedient to make any change in the law till its effects were farther sun. (Hear, hear.) DECIMAL COINAGE. Mr. HEADLAM logged to ask the Chancellor of the Eachequer whether the government had determined upon the adoption of a system of decimal coinage of whisk a me ddling piece ehotid form one of the component_peets I The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER NM that the coiner, of two-shilling pieces, to which the kes. tie- sea referred, wu one rendered netwelary by e tasaN for silver, and sepecially for the supply of the eseemiredet, in the East ; sad the government had not SIM to say de cision with regard to • decimal coinage whisk would in clads two-drilling pieces. RECALL OF LORD LIJCAN. Mr. C. BERKELEY begged to ask whether it was true or aot that Lord Loran had beta recalled from the ece mud of the cavalry is the Crimea. Lord P —.lt is true that Lord Luton was recalled 'OM UM ago, ht eoasequitaeo of differences wide* took place between him tad the Conaader-in-Chief; Cf. hreaces which rendered it ispossible for them to act to• getter ott the same station. SALARY OF LORD J. RUSSELL Colonel SIBTIIOIIP begged to ask, as:Lerd John Rumen had been appointed to go on a special mission to Vienna, what salary the noble lord wu to receive for the perform ance of his duties ? (Laughter.) Lord PALMERSTON-1 ean relieve the mind of the kola. and gallant gentleman. My noble friend will receive no salary. From the nature of a special mission, its hare ezpeaus only are paid, and there is no salary. Colonel 151BTHORP-1. hope the expenses will be very small. (Laughter.) THE MAYNOOTII REPORT. Mr. SPOONBh should to-morrow (this day) inquire when the report of the Commitrioners on Meynooth would be presented to the hones ; and alto whe ther it we. true that a copy of the evidence bad been far sashed to Dr. Callen, ----- --- TRADE WITII RUSSIA. Mr. DANBY SEYMOUR begged to ask Mr. Collier when he proposed to bring on his motion with respect to our trade with Russia ? Mr. COLLIER said the motion had stood over for a loan time, having been Hied for a day before Christmas; he should bring it on, if possible, to-morrow night, believing the question to be one of a pressing nature—(bur, hear)—and that the commercial interests of the country were desirous of having the opinion of the house on the questions of blockade and the checking of the overlaid transit of Russian oods. THE NEW GOVERNMENT. On the motion for going into crommittimi of supply, Mr. LAYLRD rose and said, that before the Speaker left the chair, to enable the house to go into committee on the army estimates, be must beg the indulgence of the house while he made a few observations on the present cri tical position of publio affairs. He knew that he had on former occasions made great demands on the indulgence of the and if this were en ordinary occasion, be should not spin claim that indulgence ; but the house would bear is I and the imp interest he had taken fa the question new ProlhtheatlY bane the country; awl believe that it was only his conviction that we were now is the midst of a most , monientous crisis, which induced him to address them. He , had Intended to rase the question of the position of oar align, not at the moat moment, but when the motion of his honourable and leaned friend the member far Sher fisld for the &militant of his sonatas was brought , is; bat, as le Used that it was not improbable i that ea arnagsment wad be come to between his boa. and bean friend sea tL woveralasat, which would prevent the his. hem dlesanag the gsamal question on an mor ally whin It might hen ben reasonably brought on, he MOM the a weibi not be satisfied unto another 7l MI to ORM innabon of the house to penp on the situation of our affairs. What beam amain mail then be than when the bons was Gila at Se tete a sum of seven millions and a half for the &inns al dm essay, and so to give a mark of its osedamos to the government as it stood. At this time last' year, whoa a similar sum was voted for the may, there was a large and efficient army ready to tabs the fi eld ; but now it had dwindled down to some 12,00 men, although they heard a very different await of its mann from the government. It was ea imperative duty to call the attention of the country to the smiting state of things, having, as he had, • firm conviction that the country was standing almost on the brink of ruin; and he certainly might say in a position of disgrace. It was no use blundering on in oar present ration ; and he felt degraded ia his own eyes that he had not last year spoken out the truth which weighed on his mind, but which, from various considerations, he bad refrained from expressing. He wished now, hov erer, to mats an or two remarks on the conation of the government. A short time ago, the hon. sad learned member for Sheffield gave notice of a motion for a en mities to inquire into the condition of our troops before Sebastopol, and into the administration of those to whom was entrusted the conduct of the war. That motion we resisted by the goverment, not so much on the ground a its being inconsniont, but because it conveyed a dines censure on the ministry. That was the challenge which was thrown oat to the house and the wintry. He (Mr. Layard), the country, and the house, =Vthe challenge Not only was that fully under at every member of the government declared that they would take such a vote as a vote of censure, not on one or two nienthen of the ministry, but on all and every one of them. (Hoar, hear.) That was tho champ an it was accepted ia that sense. What was the result ? The motion was brought on, and carried by one of the largest majorities that env voted on a question of suck magnitude. (Hear, hear.) The votes were more than two to ono in favour of the motion. blowy members voted for it who poreemally would rather have opposed it, and it was only the very decided feel ing on the subject in the country which caused than to vote In its favour. Other members voted against it ; somas of whom it was probable that they would not see &pia in that house, because they had voted against it. (Hsu. hoar.) The result was, that the government went out FOllOlllO days it appeared to be impossible to form • new administratisa. He would not allude to the causes of Mist ffillealty, el bsegh he should take an opportunity of big so hereafter. However, the noble lord (Palanntoo) =dos wiribielration • and what was it ? It was ides the seine as the l ast government, with one or two enseptions. Under ordinary circumstances, it might have bees expected that some such ministry would have boss hewed. But at a moment when the conduct of the mi any with regard to the administration of the greatest war hi which we were ever engaged, was about to be inquired into, and when the home was about so be called on to vete money for an army which had been reduced SLUM to nothing, and so to vote that it had confidence in the government, he believed that the country would ask what had been gained, as they could see little or no difference between the present and the lut ministry, In which the house by its vote bad declared it had no maidens. It was said, to be sure, that they were the sem an, bat that they won not in the same trlt was tune then had been changes, bat soma it enniesid se they were, and let it be seen ben fki Mom who reassiod in their places wen justified in ralsia kg whim. They had hoard an hon. gentleman the alter sight say that men the member for Aylesbury had net dared Is alarm nowthisg against the administration of the Afarallti. The hem gentleman must have rather a shut oforgy. Hs (Kr. Layard) was surpeleed to beer the honourable gentleman say that, after what bad peami In the hems on two most important points in oosseaties with the Mr—the Noshed. Ind the senile. Had net the alarm Jed offeetaal block= = Midas alooldef and awed one of our primigeldifieshiso (Ilear.berm) Then m regarded the treamert ionise: lad astmembass el that brews, one after the ether. bentsht we She (modes et the hopeless state of seahnies vldeh oohed in Ibe Inemport service ? (Hear, berm) How then add the ben. gentleman venture to mart that his =el amber the department to whisk he belonged, emenre. Then look at oar diplomacy. He Missed it was a duty which every member owed to his ematitnents to brig forward the question of our diplomacy. He believed that the war was greatly owing to the misma nagement of our diplomacy, and that the melancholy conferences at Vienna had brought, he had almost said, disgrace on our diplomacy. If we had pur sued a bold course of diplomacy, one worthy of the country, he believed that we should net now be in our present difficulties. (Hear.) There was a subject in connexion with diplomacy to whieh attention ought now to be called : he meant the subject of diplomatic appoint ments. Hs would not mention names, but there was en instance in which an arrangement had been made between • noble lord and another minister, by which ohs noble lord, who was getting too old to serve his country as an ambas sador, was charged with a mission, the exclaim being effected by what could only be called a " job.' (Haar, hear.) The fact was that the country wanted more truth. The country did not want a government certainly to giro indiscreet answers to indiscreet questions, or to make im provident disclosures ; but it did require that if a member of that house sand a straightforward question on a matter of importance, that he should receive • straightforward newer. (blear, hear,) He had frequently asked last year if a Dionne was kept up in the Black Sea and he was told that then was ; and yet months afterward; they were told that in fast thus hn been non at all. (Hear, hear.) The country would not be satisfied with conduct such as that. One member stated that we had not more tian 12000 sea in arms before Sebastopol, and a right hon. gentleness asserted in reply that there wore 30,000 ; sad yet it was afterwards found out that the latter statement could not be true ; while the government refused to predate doeumeats which would show whether it was true or not. (Hear, hear.) When it was said that our army was starving and obliged to est French bread, we were told that they were liviag midst of plenty, and were adequately protected from late ineleatency of the weather. It was impossible that the omatry could be satisfied with such a state of things. Thee as to the policy of the government. A few days base Christmas he parliament was called together for t it two measures, the Militia BM Peeir li ii r listment Bill. He would say little et with moped to the Militia Bill; bat with regarlle Foreign Balistinent Bill, the liberal party was east ea to swallow all the &dentin's they had made ea Me boo Pegs, sad booed to carry that bin as mplilly as pildble twee perliemeat. A noble MA =low um of thereasimp bombes, in a opeedi it Welems' andeaveand is show that that bill nueileallini Oa sat gaol psiley. He (Mr. Layard) did MS IMO 11, sod lie hal sever it'd that bed Alm &Mai es. in s my that beOM MOE 41944449 SOWSIV 4149 Ingle man bad besa=in ibl lonise of this omentry vadat the F t IML Mos the goveramsat beswOt is th ili rrll it was aatsralb =Slthat they bad the deft& of the measure cut sal ot a bit c f it ; and they W set sow made up their salads bow or by whom its umeemasta were to be emend eat. The result was that Preens had bees belerehasd with us in forming a lonian login; sad as Germsay was se it woecalled, " raig " her Federal army, that is, providing sea sad heroes, and placing them in , sack a Mate of preparation that in 14 days the army would be ready to take,the field, we were now unable to obtain say nee, or, if say, only the scum of the population. It was eery impormat that we should obtain a loves of German meshy. Now, a foreign gentleman had told him the other day that le had been prepared to point out where the best berms were to be had, and the best means of raising a 'aviary force, but as no step had been yet taken, all the beet horses had been taken up, and there would be great difficulty now in raising such a form. The house was now about to be called on in the estimates to vote 14,000 men for a foreign legion ; and on that sunset there to be the fullest explanation. Than : 8 1 .6 6 mush Ads Auer. We were to have made large he sank ma nabob in Asia Minor last year; bat what had beat dose ? The very gentleman whom he (lit. Lewd) bad nesmmended as best qualified for that terries had written to him to say that some offence bad bus Isla by the ffingish government, and hie contracts W berg rased ; t they had been smelted by the Preseh, and that se was buying up for the French, and that very soon it would be most difficult to obtain any for Messeviee of the English government. Again, last year it was 1114044414 that a body of Turks should be taken into the serene of this country. It was stated that the Turin& neldlers were badly ofiloered, but they bad in them the manorial of excellent troops. Unfortunately, a number of them had been on *mice with our troops is the Crimes, and, he was sorry to say, had been treated by our omen sad soldiers in a manner unworthy of British OfaCell aid soldier,, being constantly beaten, struck, and ill-pared in every way. Was or was not that true ? If it was, had such conduct been authorised by the authorities la this country or on the spot ; or had any steps been taken to put a stop to such proceeding+ ? He hoped that on that inabjeet they should bear some explanation. We were now told that 20,000 Turks were to be taken into our service, and to be placed under British officers, but it was to be feared that it was almost too late. These being the antecedents of the former, and, therefore, of the present governairet, he did not see on what pounds the house could be asked to support the present administration. Sums, the mo tion of the hon. and learned member for Sheffield, for the appointment of the members of his camatittn, was pressed to a division, he (Kr. Layard) had not changed hie opinion with regard to that committee. He believed that if it was pressed as it stood, it would operate inju riously to the public service, especially as the conduct of the present government must be canvassed. because must of Ea THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 20, 1855. Ithe atembsrenthe late government remained la the minis try ; so that, ia fact, • memittee mane would be sitting in indrawn ea the sening momenent. There wain however, any see pseud es whin* nose eould be 'willed en telltale the modem fee the appointment of the committee; en net was If it etni be said, yea see that there is a gineremost of sew and untried mss, and they love met a pawns* of measures as will meows the sup pert of the homes an the country. On such rounds • vote might be given aphid the teens, and la favour of the goverment. Bat boo meld the hems on as any such weds is favour et the preset government? far En seek a ens It wield only be again a vote of usafidenee or no sonedence in the same men. How could he now vote accidence in thee* whom he con mod by his vote • week ago? And what was the pro gramme sow ? What did the noble lord propose? What waren. remedies he offered ? Did he mean to sweep away amends, evil, or to recall any individual who had done wen.? No, bat I Mks of commissions neve to go out then to inquire into the induct of affairs. What need of • netatiena whoa we now saw at the head of the commis 's:ham emben Miser of the Peninsular war, who was somewhere about seventy years old, and when we saw that commbseriat in such a state, that our men were Wen, starving for want of food 1 Were not these two facts, put together, enough ground for his recall, without seeding out a commission of inquiry, by whisk his mismanagement might go on with impunity for two or three months longer? What did we see in the me dical staff? Nearly three months ago • commission was sent to inquire into it; but the same slate of things conti nued; Dr. Hall was still at the Mod of the medical com adagios and Mr. Lawson , who was reprimanded for con duet l'hich the Commander-in-Chief characterised as dig (nodal, had been sent to Scutari, and placed at the head et the hospital, and thence removed to Rhodes. What did we gain by the commission there ? And whom bad the government appointed ? Sir John M'Neill was a men of the highest ability, wbo bad told him (Mr. Laved) that he went oat because he onsidered it a great act of duty whisk be esan not refuse; but he was no longer a Mug mss, end kb healtb was se hod that hitherto he had boss Align to rates* these Aloe to which his eminent abilities entitled his, and meopt a secondary appointment In isolland. How could that gentleman go into the to tally ? Could be examine all the foul soots and corners of do mop, in the sold, and damp, and wet? It was phy sically impossible fee him • and whet would be the result ? Why, like every mane pfor e d h by the present government, or the late government—w " was the same thing—Sir John M'Airall would lose a well-earned reputation, and the bolt would be attributed to him. Again, as to the tramsport system, government were going to seed a sem onion to look, into that. We had evidence @comb already about it. At its head was Captain Christie, again wham he would toy nothing, but that be could not go en board his ship an hour after dark without getting • catarrh by which he was con fi ned for some time. It was a fact that Captain Christie was very often five or sia days without being able, front indispositios, to land at Balaklava. Was a commission to be sent, then, to ask Captain Christie the state of his health ? What we wanted was not commissions but men. (Cheers.) When the army of the French Republic was reduced to a condition as bad as ours, and iasabordination too, the French Amenably sent out manna of their own body, men who had no consideration fee pasty or petunia interests who went out determined to maideeMom who were in 'fault, and who did it, and within a few months that army was able to perform the pod= dens which all the world admired. (Cheers.) We be compelled to do the same. The country was sick of ,remissions ; what the country wasted, he would repeat, wee men ; and let him not be told that men could sot be head ;it was insult to say that. If our test of a man was that he should be one above seventy, who was • member of Brookes's, sad who always voted for government, perhaps we might not find such an one who maid earry out this peat business. But let him sot be told there were net men in this country, where, on all aides, be saw onsesselhl works of unequalled magnitude, and vast wealthassumelated, end men who bad raised themselves by their own essegy—bit him not be told Oen were no men to be traadorbe would put in order Bac kless harbour, and bring ear army into • better condition. (Obeers.) It was an Molt to the common sense of the es ualoy to any any such thing. If there were any difficulty la elmetei the men, we might go through the army with a ballel.bea, sad tall every man in the ranks to put in the aim it Whoa he thought moot competent to eon men think gad would there be any doubt of it? He (Kr. Lamed) would pledge his existence that in the artithey, at least, one name would be given by 77soldier. Then what was the commission needed for ? if we wanted a vigorous man in:autherity, we should ask sod the man inlaid's despatches which implied censure, te mike Ida come home, and then, when asked whether he had been recalled, say that he was not recalled. Was that worthy of a Britbh government 1 Wes it English 1 Was it only ? (Cheers.) Why, if the man were guilty, tf he were lassagetent, let us recall him straightway, and not tress -- o ses Nash were the noble lord's proposals; with the 111MOINI of allowing Lord Raglan to be, for the Yams heal esevesger, then was nothing else but that ileesed lbws was sent out to be the head of the staff. That wee a pest mistake ; that system of divided author ity would net ' do. General Simpson might be the ablest of ma, bat was it fair to Lord Raglan, er to the public service, to send out a man in such • position ? If we had at home a regularly organised staff, of whisk General Simpson was the head, be having risen thestigh all the grades of that staff, as the head of the staff la France did, that would be quite another thing ; but no, we crested this appointment now, and sent him to look after Lord Raglan'. staff, whom Lord Raglan himself bad appointed. (Hear, bear.) Had Lord Raglan consented to this or not ? Did he admit that his staff was incompetent or not ? If he did, let him send them home ; if he did not, bow could we insult him by sending out a men to say that it was? If we mast have a commission, let us send out a man who should mix with the army,not with the staff—who should not dine at general officers' tables, but talk with the regimental officers, and with the soldiers, as he (Mr. Layard) bed done, and we should learn from him in a very few days Where the real evil existed. There were no other definite measures proposed. There was nothing said about the War-office, which everybody admitted to be • sink of iniquity. An hen. gentleman had made • most telling speech, with extraordinary seal, at the Horse Guards; but there was no reform of the Guards ia the proposals of government. There was a motion to be made by Lord Galeria on promotion in the army, bet the government said not a word of that. They might depend on it the country would not be satisfied with the appointment of sixty sergeants. The country was no longer the humour to take, as a concession and u a Leigm, what it demanded as a principle and as a right. set be taken, unless government would make a =an redbird Gimp in the system of the army admi. And the seterament themselves admitted that IM mild= ed sae sew was desperate. He read with Mithe speedlief tbi late Secretary at War, who said nds army bee smesstly met an enemy more fell and ahogirene Bae rs ozy human foe—l mean disease , by which it has bass to • fearful extent." Was there nothing else It bed with—no neglect, no mismanagement ? The right hon. sssYsmaa then went on to 'alienate that it was the fault dSe House of Commons in refusing to support en adequate may. It was very easy to throw the blame 11111611 ens MAIM The general in command might say be be not by t i ti n g u o e vern i a j aent ; the governmentehattrme instructions ;ime the eletbasetal officers, sad others might blame the soldiers; sad be (Kr. Layard) would admit that the House of Coal men bed been somewhat to blame. Well, then, let the en•Ary deal with that house; lot the house go to the country, sad be Mead by the country to do their duty. (Cheers.) But pod hews had voted, from year to year, money almost iamb to support the Grades of France. Not the house was to be blamed, bat the maladministration of its money. (Neer, Marl No one had ever objected to • vote of money WOW 11111111111 W for • good purpose ; what they objected to wee deresritlein, and the system of the Hone Guards, and Wain the government were resolved to alter it, how could *man fee the confidence of those who new felt the dis pose of that " heart-reeding " condition to which our assay was reduced by it? Well, thus was a general fear of taking the responsibility. Here lay the mischief, that ' everybody was afraid to act with vigour—we had no man of deW- dos. He could mention some things to illustrate this. In going up to the lines one day, he met • large number of carts, in which WINO men suffering from every variety of wound and of olheme, aad there were the hideous forma of some that were deed. With that convoy,—would the house believe it? there were not more than two or three guards, privates of the lie. He (Mr. Layard) and • gallant officer with him, bass there was no medical man, and no officer We:thugs el sward hundred men on their passage down, weal to Uri Eagles, and brought hint to see that convoy. Lord Raglan expressed the indignation which every manly and besourable nature must feel; he instituted an inquiry; found that the medical moused officers had neglected their duty; and what did he do ? He published an order, condemning their conduct as disgraceful ; but he said " I will spare their feelings, and will not mention their names.' Such feelings were to be revered in Lord Raglan as a man, but not as a eeneral. (Cheers.) What was the result ? Two days afterwards, the marines bevies bees ppaa under the semusead of the colonel who had charge se Eileb l awe, sad beteg seder his charge to do duty, as the soldiers of the lie had been taken to the Rauh& river, a long way off, at night few marines were left to guard the houses at Balsklava. One was taken with the cholera, and brought to the hospital, bat the medical man said, " I have nothing to do with him ; he is • marine." He was taken to another hospital, and refused admittance. The Not of the guard could not leave their poet, and that man was left on the shore to die. (Sensation.) This was told Lord Raglan, and he said, " I yesterday issued a general order, reflectiag on the medical officers, and if I now issued another, it would weaken the confidence of the army in them and tend to bad results " He (Mr. Layard) respec ted such feelings in Lord Raglan, who was an amiable, good man. But it was aot amiable, good men, who were wanted to command an army, bat men with an iron will—mea who would sacrifice their own feel tags and their own friends or relatives, and all that was dear to them in this world, to perform what, under the circum stances, was an act of imperative duty. (Cheers.) If things went on so, but few months would elapse before, of all that great army, none perhaps but the staff would ram That was the on, and could not be conned. This sew mission would only increase the evil. We iheald lead sat a man who would go with a knife wed epee witipky, bat cut down all that was wrong. ( Cheese.) If we In thet, we might hope for some change, sane reedy, and to save the gallant survivors it war easy i if not, they would all pariah, and upon ear beads their blood weuld be. He was told by the right hon. gentleman (Mr. S. Herbert) that our army, forsooth, had not been accustomed to great campaigns, and was therefore unable to do se the French did. That was not the case ; I that assumption was false. Were not our great campaigns in India far greater than those in Algeria ? Had the French may battles to compare to Sebum, or campaigns like that of Affghanistan ? But there, again, our government wen fettered by a mean spirit of jealousy. They would set employ the men who could save us, who could maintain oar I dignity and preserve our army, and why ? bemuse them men were not in the service of the crown; because they took:pay from the But India Company. (Hear.) The people would not tolerate that much longer. Had we not men in India ? Could we forget the names of Outran and other men, who had experience of the realities of war, whilst we sent out thou who were unequal to its conduct, because they had family coupe:ions, or because they com mended votes in parliament, or votes in • constituency ? That each should be our selection, at a time like this, was monstrous. Ile might be told that using this language was to pull down the venom-soy. Why, he wanted to save the aristocracy. (Cheers.) It wee the system he opposed that would pull them down. What did one of the ablest men in this country, and one who knew well the signs of the times, say to him the other day ? He said—" If this army in the Crimea perish, depend on it, that will be the heaviest blow the aristocracy ever sustained." They would n it allow to come, betwixt the army and their nobility, the men who could serve them, and so they would raise the voice if the country against them. He was told the Timm excited all this outcry. What a notion. Was there any magic, then, in Printing-house-equare ? He dared say, in like manner, Charles I. used to accuse the Puritan preachers of exciting the Revolution, whereas it was the spirit of the Revolution that made the preachers influential; and it was act Voltaire and ROW/MU who made the Revolution in France, but the feeling that afterwards effected it was that which made Voiteire and Rousseau. 80, it was the public indig nation of England which made the Times what it now was, the feeling which misgovernment had produced in the sunny. (Cheer.) Would the Times be that which it was, if it were to comply with the views of government upon this question, and were to deceive the country, as the government would deceive it, about the management of the war? No, and if the ministers wanted to have the position which the Times poperesed,lif they wanted to have the people at their back, let them do what the Times did, oome forward and say that which the people thought, not what they wished the people to be made to think. (Cheers.) There were many other things on which he should like to have had the opinion of her Majesty's ministers. The bare fact was stated, that Lord J. Russell was going to the conti nent, to take such a place as that of Cutlereagh. Was he going upon the same principles as actuated Lord Cutleresgh ? Were we to gs upon the four points ? Was the intention of government such u it was a few weeks ago, suck as might be expected of those in the cabinet who represented the principles of its late head ? Surely the noble lord (Pal merston), when the whole country was hanging on his every word, might have told us a little about that—whether we were approaching a chance of peace, or going on into a great war—whether Circassia was to be sroused, and whe ther, if so, we were afterwards to desert Circassia. He did not want the noble lord to give any details, but some sketch of the foreign policy intended. These questions were so im portant, that the people had a right to plain and distinct Information. How did we stand new ? What was our position with France ? He would not enter on discus siou which in a public assembly might be improper and dangerous; but he would ask, were not the government now placing us in • position to be somewhat despised by our neighbours ? It might be that, one day, we should bitterly rue what had now happened, by which England made each an unfavourable impression on those who were, perhaps, at heart her enemies, and but for a period her friends. Did the government forget that England, in the situation she now was, had the eyes of all Europe on her? and would they hesitate, for any private family or party eon sideration, to remove her from that situation where she became the laughing-stock of the world, as a nation de clinieg from her former high place, which had failed, which had disgraced itself, and would be an easy prey to , Wee who might seek her destruction ? Did these consi derations never occur to the minds of the govern meat ? lie would appeal now to the noble lerd at its head. la what a position did he (Lord Palmentos) Mad but a few days ago. No man who ever undertook the guernment had more general sympathy and confidence. He (Ms. Layard) had once told the noble lord that he had Meld the name of Palmerston repeated among tribes of whew the noble lord, with his great knowledge, had perhaps sat even heard. In Europe that name was a spell of magic it represented great principles — however justly, such was the fact—it: represented the cause of liberty. That repu tation was so bright that even the betrayed Sicilians of 1848, and the fate of Italy, could not tarnish it, although he formed a member of the government who betrayed their cause. That reputation endured through every storm; and he rose in the house, as no other man ever did, with the house and the people of England to support him, because they felt that he, in moments of great national difficulties, had undertaken great and arduous tasks; bat let the noble lord ask himself now whether the people of England would be satisfied with what he had done ? He (Mr. Layard) thought not. That people were forbearing and long patient; they would pat up with indignities and suffer wrongs rather than by their movement old institu tions should be overthrown ; but yet the time did come when like a torrent their indignation must burst forth, and sweep away the obstacle. They were so with Catholic Emancipation, they were so with the Reform Bill, they were so with Free Trade. On those questions, night after night, members rose in the house and enunciated truths which every mind mast have admitted ; but the grievances remained, and the people suffered, until they felt that the wrong was intolerable, that parliament was betraying them, and in one short year the thing was carried. (Cheer.) And so it was now ; the people seemed to be quiet, the lake appeared still; bat let us not sail upon it in false security, for the waters would rise if the evil were trifled with, and we should suffer unexpected ship wreck. The present state of the country was • matter of deep and painful anxiety. The nation were not satisfied. They wanted, irrespective of the qualifications of particalar men at this moment, to see whether they could not be governed by something new; they would not have this same partite over and over again. (Cheers.) No doubt, a Cavendish in the cabinet was very important ; but the people thought more of 20,000 gallant lives than even of a Cavendish in the cabinet. (Cheers) The people wanted • complete and thorough reform ; let the noble lord consult their wishes. Hp entreated the noble lord once more, for his own sake and for that of the country, to reflect ; the coun try as well as that house were ready to support him, if he adopted a course by which his own reputation would be, ea haaoed and this great nation saved. (Cheers.) General PEEL said he was not surprised at the general indignation when he read such horrible accounts of the state of the army, for the army was the property of the country at large. A Secretary for War had been sacri ficed, and he did not understand why the whole cabinet had not followed. He (General Peel) voted against the motion of the hon. member for Sheffield ; but it was net that no evils existed, but that he had no confidence in a committee of the house as a tribunal to reform them, for it was the worst they could have—unconstitutional and im practicable. He blamed the government for having com menced • great war with inadequate means. He said the first fault in Its management was in sending out too many troops, without a correeponding force in the commissariat and medical departments. It would have been better to have sent only 10,000 or 15,000 at first, and to have restricted the operations to what they could perform, instead of sending every available man, to rival the French. After the battle of Alma, the victorious armies should have made the attack on Sebastopol, without giving the Rue clans time for reinforcements. He did not oppose the en listment of foreigners, if absolutely necessary. He thought our regimental officers and regimental system were good; and surely those men would make as good general officers, if the opportunity were afforded them. If they were going to rival the warlike nations on the con tinent they must set about it in a different manner. He thought every exertion ought to be made to carry on the war so as to make a safe and honourable peace, and that once done the sooner the people resumed their peaceful punsits the better. Lord PALMERSTON—I am not at all the man to find fault with anybody that will bring before the notice of the house any part of our military system, whether at home or abroad, which he thinks may have failed in performing adequately Its functions, or which he thinks ought in any way to be blamed ; but I do protest against the language which I have heard this evening from the hon. member for Aylesbury, who, while he per forms what he thinksn public dnty,and says what he thinks of the mismanagement which may have existed, hat talked of the disgrace of our army, of our being the laughing-stock of Europe, and has declaimed against the aristocracy. (Cheers.) Why, I lament as deeply.as any man the suffer ings dos: brave army in the Crimea. I am as reedy as any man to admit that thorn sufferings have in part been aggravated by want of arrangement, and by want of proper management by those who had the admi nistration of the details by which those wants ought to have been provided ; but I must say it is a mistake to suppose that those sufferings have been confined to the British troops. I speak not of our brave allies, the French, who have endured :a great deal ; but I know from good authority that in the camp of the Russians there are no less than 35,000 men in hospital, sick and wounded, in consequence of the result of the campaign. But, I say, those sufferings, however they may have been increased by the want of arrangement and want of proper management, those sufferings have arisen in a great degree from physical causes which it is to the power of no man to coatsol—(" Rear, hear," and "No") — the nature of the service in which they are engaged, red the inclemency of the weather. But I say that, so far from feeling that this country stands lower in the estimation of the world in consequence of what has paned in the prosecution of this war, when I look to the matchless bravery of our troops, when I look to the conflicts which they have sustains& sad when I look to the share which the gentry and mis t macy of this country have taken in those conflicts—then things instead of making me feel ashamed of my country, of making me think that it stmts lower io the estimation of the world, make me feel proud of its position. Tell me of the aristocrecyof England I Look at that glorious charge of the cavalry at Balaklav•—look at that charge, where the trebled and wealthiest of the land, followed by heroic men of the lowest classes of the community, rivalling each other, and where neither the officer who led nor the trooper who followed could be distinguished the one from the other. In that glorious band there were the sons of the Gentry of England ; at its head were nobles, and the fol lowers were the representatives of the people of this country. I say, if any instance could be required to show that all the classes of this country, from the highest to the lowest, enjoy in oommen those noble qualities which elevate man kiad, It is to be found in that charge which is the gloty of this country. Well, air, the hon. gentleman has certainly followed a line of argument which is exceedingly strange. The hon. gentleman ins consented to be a member of the committee proposed by my hon. and learned friend. He will, of course, vote for the appointment of that committee, but what was tke line of his argument? Why, that we are trifling with the feeling of the country—that we are trifling with the safety and lives of the army, by sending out com missions with full power to set right the organisation. What is it he proposes ? Why, the appointment of a committee which is to examine witnesses and report in a blue book. This is better in hie opinion than commissions, which are now some of them acting, and some going out immediately to apply a remedy to that which has been wrong. The hon. gentleman proposes, u an example, the committee of safety of the French revolution. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) Hs would have commissioners sent out with powers to execute summary justice on those they thought were acting wrongly. Why I would take the hon. gentleman at his word, and ad mit that the members of the committee should repair to the Crimea and remain there for the rest of the s ess i on . (Laughter.) Then, again, the hon. gentleman says we have, in some instances, abstained from obtaining sup plies in Asia which the French have been able to get. Why I protest against the inviduons distinctions drawn be tween two portions of an allied army, but I apprehend that Asia Minor may be tiiicovered to be sulliciently large to furnish provisions for both. As I stated on a former occa sion arrangements have been made at &sops and elsewhere to procure provisions. The hon. gentleman, therefore, I thick, anticipating a debate which has not yet arrived, has furnished, as far as his argument goes, strong reasons against the conclusion to which he would wish the house to arrive. Then, sir, the hon. gentleman says we ought to have stated to the house what are the terms which my noble friend the member fur the city of London will offer in the negotiations which he is about to conduct. Sir, it is the first time I ever heard it suggested that we should, before entering into a negotiation, explain fully to the ad verse party all the conditions we may be willing to ask, and all the conditions which, under certain circumstances, we may be willing to accept. I think I would rather trait the negotiations to the hands of my noble friend. But the hon. gentleman says that between Friday night and Monday afternoon I have lost entirely the confidence of the country. lam sorry if that has been the case. My hon. friend says that arises from the fact that I have not recommended to the Queen a cabinet of a particular complexion. He omitted to state exactly how the cabinet should have been formed. (A. laugh.) Perhaps he would have added the members of the proposed committee to the proposed cabinet. I am net to blame for the denun ciation thus made. I am satisfied that the people of this country look far more deeply into things than to be swayed in that manner. lam satisfied when they see a government that has been constituted in consequence of the failure of two other attempts to make a government, that they will feel that those who have undertaken the conduct of affairs have done so because they felt the country ought not to be left without a government, that they have done so under a sense of public duty. They believe the country will give credit to them for a desire to perform their duties in a to promote the beat interests of the country, and that the country are not likely from Friday evening to Monday evening to undergo such a change of opinion as the hon. gentleman says. Sir, we presented ourselves to the country with an t and honest inten tion to avail ourselves of the opportunity, if the opportunity be real, which has presented itself, to determine the war by fair and honourable conditions. We will not present to the country a peace which we do not think to be safe and honourable—which we do not think will secure this coun try against the return of events which have compelled us to draw the sword, for that is what the country will not accept from any administration. It is not that which we intend to present to the country. If we should be able to accom plish a treaty which is fitting for the honcar and interests of thecountry,weshallrejoice at having been the instruments of saving this country from these efforts and those further sacrifices which the interest of the country requires, should the war be continued. But if, on the other hand, the adversary with whom we are contending is not brought to that temper of mind that he will accept those conditions on which we think peace can be founded, then we shall appeal with confidence to the country fur these resources which the continuance of the contest will render necessary. And whatever may be said by the hon. gentleman—whatever mey be said by other gentlemen who may rise after me in this debate, I feel confident that the country will give its support to a government which stands forward to do its duty in an emergency—(cbeen)—• govern meat which has not forced itself on the coun try by any efforts in this house—a government which has arisen in consequence of the failure of others who might, if they had chosen, have undertaken the task, but who shrank from doing it when the offer was made to them. I do not mention that as blame to any one, but I say two en deavours having been made to form a government, and those two endeavours having failed, I should not have felt I had done my duty if I had not undertaken the Mgt. I throw myself with confidence on the generosity of the public and of parliament. I feel confident that as long as we do our duty, and we will do our duty as long as we have the support of the country to enable us to do it—l feel satisfied, as long as we are able by the support of the country to do that which we think is our duty to the country, I am satisfied that, in spite of temporary reverses, in spite of a gloomy aspect of affairs, we shall succeed in bringicg matters to a successful issue; and that whether we have peace now or peace hereafter, whether by negotiation now or by force of arms afterwards, we shall be able to place the country on that footing of security which the power of the country entitles it to. (Cheers.) Some remarks upon the expediency of a committee of inquiry, and the necessity of retOrrn in mime departments of the military system, were offered by Mr. J. G. Philli more, Mr. E. V' artier, Major Reid, and Mr. Murrough. • THE ARMY ESTIMATES. The house then went into committee of supply, and the various votes for the army service were brought forward, and accompanied by some explanatory statements by Mr. F. l'sxx. _ . Upon the first vote (authorising the engagement of 193,695 men for the land forces), a prolonged discussion took place, in which a great number of hon. members took part, suggesting reforms or pronouncing censures upon a multitude of points of detail ranging over the whole mili tary system of the country, u exhibited in work at home or in the Crimea. Sir B. PERRY said that although this was a subject upon which military men were more fitted to enter than himself, there were one or two mitten in cident to the subjects under discussion to which he wished to mill the attention of the committee. In his opinion the manner in which the various estimates were prepared rendered it difficult for any ordinary man to understand their amount, and therefore some alteration would be desirable in the mode of prepsratioa. There were one or two smaller points to which he wished to call atten tion. He. learned with satisfaction that about siaty ser geants had received commissions ; but he wished further to learn whether any provision had been made to enable them ' to enter upon their new position in • manner that became officers and gentlemen. (Hear.) A grave question had been most ably raised by the speech of tho hon. member for Aylesbury tweeting the system of promotion in the army ; and that question must be entertained, notwithstanding the manner in which it bad been received by an aristocratic House et Commons. Not only the courage, but the moral conduct of our soldiers in the Crimea entitled them to oar best consideration ; and he felt th at the time had come when such men must receive • treatment commensurate to their deserts. It was in no Taigar spirit of hostility to the aristocracy that the hon. member for Aylesbury had brought their services under the notice of the house ; but the feeling that was abroad must not be overlooked, and the statesman who expected to role must guide, not attempt to reptile the onward movement. He must say that he came down to the house on Monday night expecting to hear a bold and spirited programme of reforms from the noble lord at the head of the government, but be was sorry to add that be had felt a chill of disappointment on hearing the state ment of that noble lord. (Cheers.) With respect to the Commander-in• Chief, he did not mean to say anything against his skill or judgment in the field, but one of two courses should be taken with respect to him. If disapproved of, he should be removed; if approved of, retained; but his position could hardly be satisfactory with two commissioner attached to the staff ' to watch and control all his movements. (Hear, hear.) He had every confidence in the power and genius of the First Lord of the Treasury to achieve whatever he undertook, and he called on him to mould the national doctrines in a way suited to the advancing opinions and increasing Intel vnof the country. . PERCY read some communications from officers in the Crimea, complaining of the clothing supplied to the hospital at Scutari, and also the imperfect state of recovery in which convalescents were sent back to their duty. Another just cause of complaint was the stop page of the men's pay, to meet hospital ex penses. He thought that sufficient clothing should be provided, not only for convalescents returning to their duty, but for those departing for England. (Hear, hear.) One instance he wished to mention of the manner in which our regulations harassed the poor soldiers. When some of the wounded survivors of Inkermann arrived at Scutari, they had no knives or forks,and the authorities refused to supply them with any, because the regulations pi °Tided that the soldier should find his own knife and fork. (Hear, hear.) Others were happily found not hampered with offi cial regulations who supplied the want, but surely this was a state of things that required a re. medy. (Hear, bear.) Another point to which he wished to call attention, was the fact that ships were lying idle at Delco. Bay which might be employed in carrying down the poor sick and wounded soldiers. The medical arrangements also required revision. Our medical officers were over worked, having each 63 men and 9 officers to attend to, whereas in the French army a surgeon attended but 26 serious, or 60 ordinary cues. He trusted that these points would motive the serious attention of the government. Mr. LAYARD wished to all attention to one or two points which, ;in his opinion, were of great importance. The first was the tents, (Hear, hey.) •He believed the teats in use had been supplied Ma lta, h ad re mained there since the Peninsular war . (Hear, hear, )) ig far as protection from the weather was concerne d, the soldiers might as well be under a sieve. He had received a letter from Colonel Napier recommending a tent which had been Invented by a private soldier, and it wee a cluir m fact that the portable tent now so useful in the French army was elan the invention cf a private soldi er . He hope d that the subject would receive att en ti on f n the pro p. quarter, and it might also furnish a useful hint to recollect that in the great storm, when all our tents were blown away, not a single Turkish tent was disturbed. As w° contemplated a summer campai gn , thi s question of th e tents ought not to be overlook e d. (H ear , h ear.) Anoth point to which be wished to alfude w as t h e mo d e pro e posed for providing a force of irregular ca va l r y. H e understood that Thessaly was the place in which it was proposed to nib./ them. In his opinion, they might as well go to h land for the purpose. If they wanted inefficient irregular °. cavalry, they should go to Asia Minor, where: there woald be no difficulty in getting a most efficient force. Mr. IM'GREGOR rose to address the committee, sad on being met by some symptoms of internP. tun, threatened to move that th e c h a i rman re port progress if he were refused a h ear i ng. H e said he had great confidence in the Prime Minister ba t none in his cabinet, composed as it was of persons who h ad been condemned by the country. A s t o t h e generals who had served in the Crimea, his country man Si r C olin Camp. bell was illustrious for his conduct through ou t. W ith th e Duke of Cambridge he (Mr. hit'Gregor) happ ene d to have been acquainted from a very early period, cud it was, there fore, with special pleasure that he had read of that bravery and military skill by which his roy a l hi g h ness had on -a memorable day contributed to the saving of thousands o f lives. The Crimean war had hith er t o b een ona of bravery, and not of judgment. There was not a mingle mercantile house in London, in Liverpool, or in Glasgow that would not hove been ashamed to send out the supplies in the manner in which the 'govern ment had that theirs. Every one of the departments wu defective, not because there were act able nun at their bead, but because there were in them a number of subor dinates who went on blundering as they had been awn tamed to du. The holm was threatened with a dissolution of parliament. In such an event he should not be afraid to face hie constituents, and be believed that those who op posed the motion of the hon. end learned member for Suf. field would find themselves miserably deceived. Mr. RICH said the Under Secretary for the War De partment had set down the casualties for the ensuing year at 20,000. How could that estimate be safe when the casualties of the past year were at least 30,000 ? (Hear, bear.) In his opinion it ought to be doubled, and he hcpsd the government would say something to Briny the house that the army would be kept up to 193,003 meu. Mr. H DRUMMOND was sure that no member of that house would object to vote for certain things that were asked for last year; however, the house having vo t e d a certain sum for clothing, the army now got the clothing; and what had they beard that night to convince then that the clothes for whick they were going to pay would ever arrive in the Crimea? They were going tv vote a certain sum for horses. The government had horses last year— they starved the horses then, and what was there to show that anything had been done which world prevent the horses which were about to be sent out from being also starved ? (Hear, hear.) He hoped the house was not going to vote 9,000 horses for the Crimea which were to be inured to death. What new machinery had they got ? He was inclined to ask with the hon. gentleman behind him (Mr. Lewd), what man had they got who would say, " finch and each things shall be done, or I'il turn out every one of you from first to last," a man with a will, and not a pack of twaddling red tapists? (lieu, hear.) Mr. NAWDEGATE regretted to say he had heard that the :pattern of the summer clothing for the army in the Crimea was not yet decided upon. They had no assurance even that the ordinary clothing bad been sent out, and it was not 'too much, he hoped, to ask whether this clothing, which would soon be required for fifty thousand men, was in progress ? His hon. friend the member for Northamptonshire (Mr. Stafford) had stated, that in the Crimea spring came on very rapidly; and if there were such delays as had occurred hitherto, the sum mer might find the troops walking about in sheepskin coats. (Hear, hear.) As regarded the horses, he did trust that the animals which the government were hastily buying would be put through a course of training before they were sent out, without which, he warned them, they would die like rotten sheep. As the government were greatly in want of cavalry, he would observe that they could not have a :finer or more effective body of cavalry, than the irregular horse in the East India Company's service. He knew they had offered their services, and, as both men and officen would do credit to the Queen'. service, he trusted the offer would be accepted. He denied that the failure which had been spoken of occurred in the aristo cratic members of the service. It was notorious that the failure in the Crimea was attributable to the shameful con duct of the commiesarlat, to the blunders of the transport service, and to the gross inefficiency of the medical staff, neither of which were in the hands of members of the aris tocracy. In whatever situation' the noblemen and gentle men of England had been placed they had performed their duty ; it was in the civil departments of the army, with which the aristocracy were unconnected, that the failures had occurred which led to each dreadful calamities. He wished fair play to be given to the aristocracy in reference to that matter. (Hear, hear.) Mr. ()TWAY said there was one portion of the arido crony to which the hon. gentleman had not alluded, namely, the staff. (Hear, hear.) There was an eminent establish ment in this country which turned out 30 officers qualified ter staff situations every year; but these persons were hardly ever appointed, and consequently the staff of the army was so inefficient as to have become the derision of foreign officers who had come in contact with them. He did not object to the vote now proposed ; and he was only surprised. considering the enemy with which we were engaged, that the number of men asked for was so small. He was also surprised that the hon. gentleman (Mr. Peel) had net inaugurated his advent to office by announcing en in teniion to modify the system of our army. There ought to be, as in the French army, a certainty of a given number of commissions being obtained by non-commissioned officers. With regard to another subject, he wished to say that some months ago he had urged on the Secre tary at War the advisability of employing some of our troops now in India, a suggestion which was not very well received by the right hon. gentleman. He was, however, pleased to find, in a short time alter, that a tent , meat of cavalry was on its way from India to the Crimes. By that plan you would not only get a regiment at its full complement of men, but a set of hardy horses, which, having always been accustomed to be whetted in the open air, were well adapted for ounce in the field. There we other regiments in India eminently qualified for service in , the Crimea, such as the !Rinds Horse, the Sikh and Ghous* assiasents, the men in which were, by religion and habits, prwalierly qualified to serve in the, East ; and he thought that no notions of etiquette should prevent the government using the Indian army for service in this war, by which they could obtain the assistance of excellent officers, accus tomed to the duties of war, such as Colonel Outram, Major Jacob, and Major Edward*. ; and if the directors were eti suicidal as to oppose this employment of the Indian army in the present temper of the nation, it would perhaps afford a good opportunity of getting rid of the directors alto the:. (dear, hear.) Again, he wished to observe that so long as the system of purchase in the army did mist, it was of great importance that some proportionate provision should be made for the families of those officers who died from sickneu, and did not actually call in bstle. Several members of that house bad fallen in the late cam paign ; and there was one gallant officer, a colonel in the Guards, who died from sickness, who could not have paid less than 8,0001. or 9,0001. for his commissions. He did not know anything of that officer's circumstances ; but supposing he was married and had children, and was not richer than officers generally were, ought not some compensation proportionate to the money with which he had purchased his commissions to he given to his family? Whereas the vacancy caused by his death was filled up y the appointment of the son of a peer—one of the wealth iest in the realm—without purchase. (Hear, hear.) Should not that commission to have gone by purchase, and some portion of the money given to the family of the deceased officer, the system of purchase being still in existence ? The subject was one worthy the attention of tke Under Secretary for War, when he gave his attention to the sub ject of pensions. With regard to the foreign legion, it would be remembered that the noble lord (Palmerston) had urged the passing of the bill on the ground that the troops were required to save our army in the Crimea. Now, he wished to ask how many, men had been obtained for the foreign legion ? (Hear, hear.) He asked that because it had been brought to his knowledge that a Baron Von Houdenhcim, or Btrachenheim, or some such name, who had served in the revolutionary army in the war in Schleswig-Holstein, bad been sent for by telegraph from the north of Germany ; and that gentleman, being unused to be summoned by telegraph, rushed at once to the railroad, without changing the clothes in which he received the message, and came over. lie was in this country, and had been passing to and fro . between the locality of Bt. James's and the War.office for c is weeks, and had not yet got beyond the porter, and had never seen aay one connected With the war department. (Heir, bear.) Considering that the house had voted for the Foreign En listment Bill, on the ground of its urgency and the neces sity for sending troops to support Lord Raglan, these pro ceedings with regard to the baron were somewhat extra ordinary. (Hear, hear.) Lord - PALMERSTON—The hon. and gallant officer who brgan this discussion entered into an argument upon the general arrangements which were made by her Majesty 's government with regard to the conduct of the war. He stated his opinion that as this country is not, as he thinks, a military country, we ought not, when we were about to wage war with Rauh, to have attempted any ope rations by means of a military force, but to have confined ourfelves to naval operation by means of our fleets ; and he seemed to think it would have been sufficient if we bed sent one fleet to blockade the Russian pore in the Baltic, and another fleet to blockade the Russian ports in the Black Sea, and that by that means we could have coerced the Russian government into acceding to what we required. I entertain an entirely different opi nion from that of the hon. and gallant gentleman on that point. It seems to me obvious that the mere action of a naval force would never have exercised such a coercion on the government of Russia as to have produced any defi nite or useful results. I deny entirely, however, the asser tion that the operations of our navy in the war have been attended with no results. The hon. and gallant gentleman said that we had sent a magnificent fleet to the Baltic, end that no result had been produced. I deny that assertion . In the first place, that fleet destroyed the naval poor l