The Express. — London, England, 1850-02-19 00:00:00

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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. propositsulk of Lord J Roseau. that oa the alter lawdeys after And 11 orders of the day should bars f lit* of all sakes e 1 seeties, HUSE waved as easseleseat, which Mr. &Vern Gifts .s rapport d. as the posed that g 0.01.1.1.1 AtopolSiliff the tine of the hewn, sad curtailing tdr A re private weathers. t REY said a kw words is euphuistic's, mil de : loot the seradateat l4O 38-102 tilaseuse 1110sTersivitia rand, note 'men 11 by Yr. Doisoli, Colonel Stbehorp, R. reel, iroel other =ribbon. Rowed divieio• L pkg. urn the origisol rNies, orhish woo ear sejerity of 143 to 47-04. USN COLONIES GOVERNMENT BILL. ES having moved the mooed reading of this MS, . 1 17 rote. He said he did not propose to offer orromltioll to the modes as would, if earned out, , wpm of the measure. his object was rather to e metals information as the wishes of the oulosists vet. lie was ansious to improve the goversmeat, td liberty to the inhabitants of our Asetralian id he admitted that no measure had ever }fare ram the Colonial office conferring so large a nes. liberty se the present. But there were esestita lions isevlved is the bill so important that they vaildered before the principle was affirmed. It of every state to give to its dependencies instil. ...ear to those which it enjoyed itself. That wee mode of extending our empires sad esmenting the of our colonies to as. Our ecariezien could not loog lob c.iloniis to which we pee institutioss mem from oar owe. They were now about to give A a new constitution, but what be complained of there was not in that cimatitotion a single feature's .ith our own (Hear, hear) The isonstitution shoat to confer oti Australia assimilated rather to Bean 'overlies-mt. of Frames, or the federal form of prevailing in the United States, than the con .l This was the point to which he chiefly to draw attention. There were other gees valved as th e prerogative of the crown. th e veto, which wen too intzieato to ester upon at that .• measure, and into which he would sot ester. before them contemplated the existents, of one o Ass:rails based of two, and the argument on chug* from our own °methadon was booed was I the colociate themselves. (Hear, hear.) The t stated their own opinion that two chainbere were to one, but they surrendered their own deference to the wishes of the ooloniets, bogie look at the constitution whisk her Ma nnmcnt were conferring on the colony of Atm , %road of the Jai mho,' of the chamber tumid uminees of the government. The chamber imeif Lot of di members, 24 of these would De elected. rosining 12 would be either denials or nominees sea; and the bill provided that, in the event um ber being 'vended, these proportions Iv retained. Now, in mitt of fete, this of would be found tiros mast questions an mud majority to the government, be wuild have one-third official persona always pre hist could on most occasions command • certain r ten -o OS to overwhelm popular sentiment. Sup dritish House of Commons to postale 230 mem :minus of the governmen*, holding their seats according as they voted in favour ef the govern. ..la:it afford a pretty accurate idea of the form .tire government propieed for our Australian I was said, however, that this wee the original consent given to the colonies in question ; bat he recollected that the act giv.ag that form, he tith axl 7.h of Vic , was introduced by Lord passed throw/LI the 1. use of Commons without ad passed ttrouels the Home of Lords after • teal trout Lord Monteagle. But that bill had as a s'ep ',overdo more extended hber•y, :on:inmate a such • measure, in oppo the wishes of the colony, wee much to limper the government than to 'twist .err we- so precut., t for having a single Ike le.o•Stive council itself bad given sc.. to tw thumpers we , r one, even though one !hash. re etnisd be entirely composed of govern. t Pep . and t• • neetitiose from the colony ,re titel the ether tight set forth the of the penti ,nen of two separate Alper I He bif.isud rile double chamber imild le WM of society, each the morale, and toff Ilea anythieg else to cement and attach , the pan at awe; and with the *opt( es wishes .ives b t re the hies* in favour of the double thnocbt hoe. numbers wanted more evidence the tah:* beton they advanced the bill sow settler stage. He. therefi,re, moved as en that that stage of the bd, be postponed until en os the subject be last on the table of the ICCIIERE said he would (wheat from going • of the toll. rause at that stage it was not ro at any gnat length into a di.cussion . of the t." , ut to oohs. that discussion to the pnociple. re.ded the patrol priaciple was to enlarge the e present Inn. stare, so es to enable the cola cr a c scatitation for themselves which they might .• country for conifirmation, if confirmation to ...id be cots:dyed advisable and props,. rct.calla who had just spoken stet• d his belief . tw more erisfortory to the eoloey that we 1. a similitudes he it resembling that which her ..sea had bra advised to grant to the Cape of teat of having two chambers. He (Mr. La -Awed to doubt ',Pother that boa. goodunas, st.te of the saw, di i actually mitoses; and fce'ases el these of whom he woe this coantry. for, from all the mesas her Ida. mutt had aad el jecteino of their wishes, they cotrary to what nee hon. gentleman had Jute 'Le tome. (Rear, beer.) The hoc. ssatlemas there wee eft support of the tingle chamber in s:nra , iy ,aid upon the table. He (Mr. La slanted that the,, wee not 'views is those •n ,w that was the deliberate opinion of cats that tneily and perosaneotly the • r would tie bens, than two chambers, but it a• infer °porn of the inhabitants that they ..tt to Lev pry at 'limitations, with only mesh as shrill eaahle them to propose a rheas' of ge ,r lieweive., rather this that any ' , institution •••rt We, es. and dry for them, from that • we• the sentence of the *eider)* the Ile 'treed with some of the views laid he reourahle baronet, the member for South- W. M rer,rhi touching the massomment .41; and he thftobt that, in natters of sub ft as those aow involved, it was sot asking too ht li , gland should consider the pleas .31 t toles/its of Australia, and he sold usurer Met her Majesty'. present governeetat would ::.e tub ..! considering the with a fia t) mi.:,•.te the wishes of the parties lame : eraed. and to satisfy the people of the iris. U ar, hear The hos. gentlemaa (Mr. repeated an oboe! 'anon mad* the other night by Lamm the member for the Uoiversii, ' f r he said the remedy now proposed 'Peden, inasmuch as the body to whom the sew • to be entrusted would waist, one third d !whale' of the crows, and that these a. .steote the representatives of the people. iv no jute foundation for the doubt this es. CfIiCISIVI %newsiest had egprinsed no appro. e lola the lathed ecianeil, composed partly s 4 the crown, there would not few rieseasalle tateeues which would be suited to the eamism r .11410 they lived ; and, indeed, it was the mult sppniheations to suppose that, became iammi noisier's of the crown, the re prosentativassi Oh heoutveted. He hoped nothing would golf • » her or interline with that karasseay and ger& e m sow subsisting between Raplaud sad Aar 'ell had been prepared with • armee desire to eo law and:sruperity of the Australian solo ' orefore he hoped the house would assent to its • (Hear, her.) •itt'CH said he perfectly agreed with the right e .• , . who bad just resumed his seat, that in the ''we of the measure the house ought to '.f to a d.•cusslon of the pnuciple, and sot enter ''etsil••• i ,w, the right hon. gentleman had said o , lining the principle of the bill was simply to n.erired peer to the existing legislature is the ".1944 He had stated, is so many words, that Rua. et ray ter titre form of legislaten,the power regruted meett parties might act, and that 6 ilftt mid of the bill was to take t, his old met there a sort of unlimited power in 14 •Utlit.ws I,r themselves, which constitutions vsse ban, and melee the went of the crown. the prinnple of the I. Now, he (Mr. Roebuck) !lotted to that principle. Remark how the right ' 1 "" val ' lu 'd to I.veeed. He wish , d the house I— ti nt , by maims len•lative corthils in a great •ieratet by the tf,Wl2 with hardly any Pow° , to the coy, and afterwards, when that v . , nee to these n onittees of the mown, or at least r ilst of to the great L Hou powers of lipids et house (the se of Commons) ought itoeif lie co m pl a i ne d of the government, ,1,:',Oolosallof the house, if it were so contented to of its greet powers of legieltaioai • • the d ependenci es of the mown were for. `" ",1 it were se contented, hon. : confroing their own **maw and *vino, they were not St for the governs's& Rear, sea," from Mr. ) He woe ' lwar !he has. member for Neatress aluterisg met, If as he (Mr. Roebuek) hod been es*, soh wes cursed to the liberties of the mitimies• obeetiatt to 1 He was objeetieg to Rives( , 010 who did not derive Moir will from the pop , re: waved the house to frame a Linke t temelwre east to the colony, and when ▪ Plant at once liberal institutions aad uA ugh 11l the seater sad agony be , created by the passing of this bill. Now, he ? Ile was not going to discus the I . ... , reseu . re as details, hut he was dimming it as et • col "°, and he would invite the Wen , von sal the country to the way in which it had began by enumerating, he did not know THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 19, 1850. o r how many sets of parliament—l, 2,8, 4,6, 6, 7—betweem • 7 and 8 acts of parliatneut; It ittd set repeal, it recited them. He wanted to bow this mostaing of that ? If there was no • pontsa ef them repealed, why reel's them? If they i MI to the Joseph el Aestralla,—.4 Has is your esoillitutiem." bow weirs they to sadorstand it ? S iz ea r bear.) At the end of the first slam, they • Senna sena, and made a new slam, and them , they posumid wad with nth site oath, with refer. am be dl fame asty es that tie Ituseind say one of a* net yea MI6 bave an the other este in year = 3 l yen mat sompan she naderstand these with the ei • of a lawyer ; aid mese bet a lawyer mid understand them. That was seethe way M haw up • metitutioa fora people aL•mysort. (Neer, hew.) It ms so: like the Hafer= Bill Eia by th e noble lord. That was an otheernagly 'instate pardormates. It told as what was the esnalhatiem the veriest towns sad boroughs were to her. its seder to mks the How of Commons. Pediment was abets to divest itself of the power of nakHe set epos with the right hon. an mid gentleman that l w mewm stimald tionse esetain powers to itself. He maid net &spin the trews Of that. He could well nadir stead that the alma should preserve ft through the farmer, but he mai net ogres that they should on every suasion seed their legieleMes sot for the approval of this how, bat of the Celemialreffien That was not what he thought this hoses ought le de. Bat he asked what the been ought to do ? Wes it mot clear that it was the duty of the hoses to madder the whole of our ilsithisa that were of the description of the Annallissi esithise. New lea ked and South Africa, seem set of alsnies, end as ewe to prepare • Initiation fortillms. New, ithmsegiven to seder. stand that there bad gen Mt af the Otheldef Miss a ready made constitution for Beath Illhha. If the Celthial-offiao could mad out a ready mile amstheillea he troth Africa he wanted to bow why the pffilitheth Mann Britaia might not send out • reedy thado immethietien hr the Asstraliaa colonies. He wanted to knew, wheathey bed had losig expe rience in Canada, aad when the right boa. gentle man and the *obi* lord wen both maimed that the legible. tire council chosen by the mown was a seam of mischief, why they should introduce into heath Australia this aewfangled dcstiine. He did mot see the word to bring it nto contempt, or to imply that be objected to • niorfaugled doctrine. but this was altogether coatran to our sone. saes. We had had nothing at all like it, to ban a body of people elected by she "chains and a sit of men chosen by the Colonial-office, or by • clique fa the °obey. Calling it the act of the sovereign did mot lead it dignity, it was no more than a means of giving power to a small body of the colonists, • pewee opposed to the opinions of a large body of the people. Two puns were brought forward. The noble lord at the head of the colonial department, of his own unbiassed judgment, seat out one to South Africa, and iron some strange caprice this other am was brought to the house and called • matintion. Why they had loft all the power in the present assembly; they wen divesting themselves of every means of legislation, and the °sly cheek they had was the cheek of the colonial dries. It was • bill for perpetuat ins the power of the colonial °fees. If the Hones of Com mons was prepared to throw from its shoulders all ease shoot the colonies, lot it do so boldly et once ; bat do not let it wean • dominion in Downing-street,) which all the long years of our colonial ezporisoce had taught to .bit most mischievous. Ask anybody what had been the e ff ect of the Colonial-office on the destinies of America, beginning with New England and Virginia down to Canada. He had sets as or twelve changes in the heads of the Colonial-office; is one administration there were four or bye. No sooner did a man go in end learn something than he was changed for the exigencies of the ad min:stntion, and thus the power fell late the hands of the clerks. They were going to do the same with this bill. The people in Australia wen exactly the same due of penpte as In South Africa, with this exception, that in South Africa they had two rasa—the Dutch and the English. Some of our own coheirs had been penal colmnies,but he believed that the astute and character of the convicts rapidly &united, and that they would find the people in N. w South Wales as moral, and as well conducted, as in any country' that had set been a contiet colony. And that being so, why had they two measurer for the same set nf people? Would his hon. friend get up and tell him that the colonies desired it ? would he all him that New Zealand desired it ? or that Port Phillip Mired it ? No, he would only tell him that certain persons In Slug desired it ; and upon that ground alone had the lion gentleman justified this strange anomaly. la one to created two chambers, both elected by the people, end the other he had one chamber, and put into it one =,L ddrd who were nominees,not of the crown—be would not so dignify there—but nominees of a clique. At th- present moment the great reaptaeln for our emigrant popula tion wen Soistn Africa, New Zealand, and South Australia. The people liked to go under British law. There was a feeling that Canada would not Fistula under it long ; he was sorry for it; he wished to preserve i.. There was a feeling growing up, that in going to Canada they would soon be under the United States, and wou'd team to be Englishmen. Peopl t might call it a prejudice if they like, he was gist that there was such • prejudice; hot E -Oslo. men wool I rather be under the protection of England, and therefore they preferred going to Australia and New Zealand. They were now making a constitution for Begin. men, and he wanted to know how his hon. friend and his J superior. justified to the English people that they wen to make them such 'constitution am this? Because this was tor ages , yet to some, and over • tract of land as large as Eui opt. At this present moment he believed that South Australis, taking ate colony only, was very sear as large as France and Spain pat together. He anticipated the time whoa these would be gnat nations ; and why shoed they not, as wise and prudent legislators for the hum, why should they not lay the broad foundations of justice and right, and not do, as they bad al ways done, except in the cue of the noble lord sending out • constitution to South Arne*, , endeavour to preserve a power which the right honourable gentleman called the power ef the crown, but which he (Mr. Wunsch) called the power of • clique ? He thought the noble lord read the other night certain Spree as to the tureen of the Canada' and of the United States. Let the noble lord ampere the separate states; let him cos pro Ohio with aoy portion of our colonies; let him thaws any one of the fret states, he dii not my the elan states, , with oar colonies, and ha would see why It was that our colonies did net show that prosperity that the colonies of On United ?kites did. There was nothing so miserable for a traveller as crossing the St. Lawrence. On the one side he foiled • people mot under • Colonial office, but governing , themselves. There was every improrement, rapidity of , mint, exertion, law, peace, energy, success, activity, hap- trLLit him cross the water, and ev ry mar was locks sinus the Atlantic to know what D,woing•strest should thy. There was nothithr of the activity on the other side of the water. The traveller asked himself, how is this strange sentran ? Here we have as fertile a soil, as genial • &mate. as sagacious • people, as on the other. Ile striking • difference could not, he observed, he believed on the wide gt•be, the difference Meg the more apparent front the identity of the sources of raity on each side of the river. too from one canton rTtserland, from a protestant to a catholic canton, and they might find some differenoe_, bat nothing like tha t of which he was now speaking. The grandeur, the =guid ance, the spirit of commercial enterprise on the south border el the St. Lawrence, compared with the crushing, cruel mi easy tt( the other was one of the most painful spectacles for se am to witness. Now he wanted to sek the house ' ON to east this mildew into the other colonies. He entreated the Wm to curb and control that power which it was about le usatinse and to spread this terrible mashie/ over our esiesial empire. (Cheers.) Leal J. RUSSELL said he did not think he ever beard a can Is which there were so many errors, so many mis teltsewith regard to coestitnional history and with regard Ile unties as that which the hos. gentleman hadjust uttered. The hoe gentleman had referred to Canada. He did not think then mold have been a mote nahrtunate model for the boa. gentleman to take. The consequence of that act was that the government of Canada being divided into • legislative council named by the goverment, and into a popular assemblage elected by the people of Lower Canada, —who wore pinned up in Lower Canada, and divided from Upper Canada. There was for a long series of yews the most bitter dimension between the Council and the Assem bly, and st length the constitution tame to as satire stop, owing to the impossibility of the two bodies acting together, and the result was that even Mumber sufficient to call the house could not be collected in the popular assembly. And yet that was the model which the hen. gentleman wished these to take. Mr ROEBUCK remarked that be timely quoted that u • logical forme. He was aot speaking of the constitutions themselves, bat of the mode la WU& they where put into work. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, with regard to the logical form, if they brought forward a constitution that would act well, be would give up something of logical form for the sake of pttirg the real benefits of government. Then the hos. gentleman said that in the bill various acts were recited, that was mans= in this bill with other bills. Nay, more, the hoe. gentleman said it required care and attention and legal knowledge to understand this bill. Why, he did not mean to say that persons outdoes and inattentive would be altogether capable of following this bill. Some care and attention ia a bill that was to govern a colony surely was not misplaced. In 1842 , after a council nominated by the crow, for New South Wales, an net of parliament was intro clued which had been a good deal eonaered under &former government, but which he 'believed was introduced by Lord Stanley, under which a legislative mon etl was introdscsd, of which one-third was named by the grown, and two-thirds by the people of the colony. If the people of New South Wales bad stated we do not approve of that constitution, we wish to have two chambers instead of one, and we desire that that change should be made by perihelion ; these representations would have been laid before this house and the committee of privy council, to whom them questions were referred, wouli have seriously considered the mode in which gush coostitutioa would work ; because, when the hon. gentleman talked of the Colonial office, he altogether misstated. The clerks in the Coletniatofike to whom be alluded, though they did their duty with great ability, had ant to decide question of this magnitude, ear had the Secre tary of State. He refe rred to the committee of privy council who reported. It was then con sidered by government and a measure was Wes introditeed What said the committee of privy sound( ? In the first place, that their opinions and prepotosseloas were in favour of two coamils, bat they had " come to the opinion that the proposed act of pasliament should provide for the establish sent in each of the four Australian adagios of a single house of legislators may, mu-third of the geembers of which should be nominated by your Majesty, and the remaining two-thirds elected by the sokoise. For seta is, in point of /net, the system which sow prevails throughout the territories which will compose the twts provinces of New South Wales and Victoria. It was the pleasure of parliament in the year 1842 to establish that system. Custom appears to have attached the colonists to it. Public opinion in New South Wales weld appear to he dosbledly append to an . alteration this he of the wades south.. deo of the esktay hy the authority ef pediment." That apielea wee bonne eat by the haft. Th e 00101111.0 did set say: "We bath maturely coasidered the guetiou betwes• a logfikstoro ithapesed of a single body and oats eampand of awe r bat they did asy We ham • legislature ia whish thew b • piralar dimwit is whisk tio-thinis of the members see Meath br th e Wide and we a le wee Ow i posed to mairgarq Amigo la the priaciple of this *Mater. oath we beveled the insehmdty of southeringsath ohmage and determithe Y YIN maw It ram M treated • (tear, low.) That was all Mrs peinnainime peepm maiggia—le give weight to the 'Moho of the to these to their opiates, and to intritheas "aeon them • memo mph& from, aad similar to, that they at primal had--giving more power to the IrgYloarro, but maiatainiag the peimipls of its eseedtatisa ; that would swath until the solsoists had suasively asosidered • different farm ef representation, as had coasidand bow two chambers could be framed; sad it they thooght a better legislator" might be thus fanned, • favearaMe 'kw of their opiaion would he tabs la this esstatry. (Hear, h ear. ) Ia this these wee wale; of whisk the le a . and I gee dewy had S. complam ; for after all, parliament had not te frame tits sew ticismitatioa, sad the mew might to fu* its went; but that was the satire soastitudim of the country. The gmemosat proposed, in the fret Nor, to aim to South Australia and to this aisw C=of Vittoria a legislative simnel' which they had act Vistoria Wag united with New South Wales, sad South Australia sever laving had a representative soiled- Judos before. Bat if they had to frame another how, a sseoad legistadve wadi for Australia, it was vs! y doubtful whether the haperial legislature mold at one. make melt provision for the formation of that woad chamber as would most with the sporobatioe of the weletrists of Australia. (Hear, kw.) I. the Caps they had proposed that the aloe. tics should be vested ht metals bodies; swag others, in certain pansies who held Mime under tllll governor of the Caps. He did set beam that any Wailer others existed is Australia ; bet Miley did, it was not War that the people of New South Weise mad of Australis geserally would prefer sash • body of &Mon to the dal* elismb-r proposed to be ealabli•lied. Therellsee, the how would have to nth the risk of tombs a ematitatior which would not snit their miler; any mesa their wishes, or else they must resort le the pies of wan out a measure to Australia, sad wattles dap wan of the reports from that !WIRY, ern , the% balm they framed the constitatioa. Was it not • more rational and premised" coarse.-the °enmities of privy watil having ragerted is Marta or April last, the government having iautedthei • bill towards the end or the swim, and the repeat el the bill having gone out to Australia, and met the sassat sad ap; robotics of a great majority of the colonists—that this pessamosa segold now propose to terry into othet erlesionee Ithaded ea them prin ciple', leaving it to be weidered herinfter whether there should be say change In that ametitation 2 (Heath hoar.) Is several of our atimaise the legislative wall had had little weight, bemuse it did, in fact, consist of persons aimalsiated by the crown, and who hai no suthority except in Wog so nominated. (Hear, hear.) On the other hand, that the persons fermis( the legislative council should be earned merely beams they were likely to agree with the representative body, and solely to keep up an apparent by way in the constitatiott—that, again, was • very consider able evil. (Hear, hear.) Is great communities this diffi culty might be got ever. la an ancient society like ours, with all the sidearm.** of great aehiirvementa, of great pro piety, of historical renown, and of rights attaching to certain titles by the laws of ancient times, this difficulity was easily surmounted. Ia a country like the United States of America, consisting of a very large popular Meseta, the different stem comprising we of great 'opacity, and experience from their youth in the budases of legislation, the,. main were the means of form jag • senate; and the senate of the United States, composed of such materials, was asivereally maimed in those states sad throughout the world. (Hear, hear.) Teus the preb lens might be solved ; but it was not easy, on • gives colony being pointed to, to say at moo how a second chamber should be framed that should have authrity and influence in the e &ay. He did not say such a chamber could not be framed in Australis, but would leave it to the colonists themselves to point out how these conditions could be fulfilled. Per haps the hon. and learced gentleman (Mr. Roebuck) would tell thiamine in Ave minutes how • council could be framed is New 8 math Wales to have all that authority and in fluence; but he (Lord J. Ru.sell) was not able to do so. The general prim iple of the bill, therefore, was to continua in New South Wales, and to introduce in other parte of Australia, that form of constitution which was int-Mimed by the act of 1812. He looked with confid. nee to the support of the hones to the second rsadiug of this bill. It had been framed with considerable we, after knowing the general opinion. entertained is New death Wales, and having rOllll Out to New Smirk Wales, it had hien approved of there. The house would do unwisely to throw away a bill of this kind for the purpose of framing a constitution on their own notions, which might be found unpa'stable to the people of the colony. (Hear, hear.) And, lastly, on the principle of allowing the people to govern themselves, this bill wu more consoaaat with that principle than the scheme of the hon. and learned gentleman, who, is stating the history of the colony, and minevesenting the constitution of this country, sought ti induce the house to set aside the opinion of the colony, sad to legislate on sow unsatisfactory notion of his own. Mr. F. PEEL said this bill proposed, not only to establish representative institutions in the five distinct colonies which comprised nearly all the existing oettlements in that great tract of country known as Australia, but also to found a federal union between them, for the management of their intercolonial concerns. To the greater part of the measure he had no objection to offer. He approved of the separation of the district of Port Phalle from the colony of New South Wales. He thought it wise, In the existing state of feeling in the colonies, and the jealousy of interference on the part of the mother country, to allow the legislative council in each colony to have the sole management of it. affairs, with the single exception of the consent of the governor, without rendering it neemsary that the sets of the colonial legislature should receive the Queen's smut hetet coming into opera tion. He approved also of the abrogation of the district eouncil , , which had met with great opposition, excited great discontent, and appeared altoeether unfitted to the wants and wishes of the colonists of New South Wales. The main principle of this hill, the recognition of popular representa tion as an essential and Indispensable ingredient in the form of every colonial government, had his hearty approval. (Hear.) He owned his predilections were in favour of a double chamber; he should like to see the legislative power shared between two distinct and independent branches, each exer cising a control over the other, and etch having a negative upon the other's proceedings. His ides,* and sentiments on this subject were grounded, not only upon general political reasoning, but upon the uniform sanction which experience , read given to the conclusions of. abstract theory. The I policy of • division of the legislative body wee something MOM than true in the region of thought. History and the experience of this country had made it a great practical truth, which it wee unnecessary to demonstrate, for it was admitted and conceded by the noble lord himself, and in the report of the committee of council. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord said he should have been prepared to recommend a double chamber but for one consideration, the colonists had clearly expressed their wishes in favour a single • chamber. Lord J. RUSSELL—I beg your pardon. I did not say that; but that the colonists bad *congaed themselves against an alteration being made without their consent. Mr. PEEL said he had quoted from the report of the com mittee of the couneil. The wishes of the colonists being as the noble lord stated, he approved of the wisdom of the course that had been pursued. They were not justified to legislating upon abstract notions, or general theories, or even upon the eonelusiors of practical experience, against the expressed wishes or particular circumstances of a colony. (Hear, hear.) Bat he could not admit that the colonists had expressed their wishes in that clear and no mistakrable manner which mild alone justity a deviation from the established type of colonial government. (Hear, hear.) The pow/ before the house only showed the opinions of the colonists resident in New South Wales; these opinions might be collected from four sources—public meetings, the legislative council, the executive conned, and the governor of the colony. He believed it was the destiny of the people of Australia to increase and spread themselves over that great colony; that we had sown there the germs of future nations; sad that what was now an unproductive waste, would, at no distant day, be covered with thriving and populous cities. (Hear, hear.) The form of the 00111111i1g government must eulogise a very powerful influence ea the matarity of that country, now in its infancy ; he hoped we should stamp on that form of government the image of British betitutions, and enable the colonists to enter on the emus which lay open before them with all the advantages, in the way of political institutions, which it was in oar power to assibr. (Hear, hear.) Sir W. MOLRSWORTH agreed with the hon. and learned lumbar ter Sheffield (Mr. Roebuck) as to the difil malty of umissatandieg the bill—a subjeet which deserved the essekleenthen of die noble lord. He was anxious that as sjiwssitlen obseld be offered to the first stages of the bill, on 111• 0061•011•16106 that all questions of detail should be carefully anddered la committee, and that full and fair op ponent** Ikeda be given for their discus/lion This could not raw be dew, as one of the most important questions with regard to the form of government and the powets Jobe delegated to the Colonial-office was only indirectly raised, by reference to a previous statute, the & 6 Victoria, cap. 76, upon which this bill was founded. This bill la part re pealed, in part continued, in part altered and amended that act ; and new clauses were added, applying and extending it to each of the colonies. The bill of the noble lord could not be understood without reference to the former act; the powers of the distinct councils, for instance, won not stated in the present bill. Well thin, there wars various claims in this act with re gard to the ditrfK stemnailk one of which was totally imam prshimsibls, and they should refer again to the bill to know what its weaning wee, or whether it had any meaning at all. If a person wished to know the amount of the elective franchise In South Australia he would fled in the third clams that star motet legislature Is to have the power of falai the seinknom value of land which was to confer the right sleeting. But how was this minimum value to be found ? It wee not wedded is the bilL But a reference is Rives la the 11th clause to the 6 6 Vic. and to the 7 et 8 Via., whisk would have to be read before he could ascertain ON the legislature of Smith Australia might fix the ininkauen value at any sum under 1001. What be eamplMsod of, therefore, was that many most important wads= smasesel with the Colonial-office would not he maid W tide bill =rapt indirectly by a raster once to previous seatness—as, kr Wotan*, the amount of the elective traasides, the power of the government to reserve bills for the royal consent, the power of the Colonial-office to disallow bWa. He would recommend to the noble lord to authorise by this act the governors of each colony to camas a constituent assembly, elected by the yes is whisi would have the pewit of frilakillg a KO sutedas it hod/. That he aowatived was the node is whirl the yelaaple el the WU should be raivied out As it asid at lama it* hill was • Mad of hybrid, bourses hit rggia tildwaole et the has sad hanted iambs, the mere he otesideead its dada, the usr• t&d a was that it weld amt gin eadefataisa W Si etleablo la of that view hem. gentle. mu read a striae of width wets to proposed b 7 Mr. lowa that sestaber of the •yistative roriably for Sydney. These reseladeas dammiM fer the eekey the niregaitha of tabdeterial vreoweillbility the right bs ashreid lailipytge—that so atatiesas a/ the wows should 1111“ MI 111. retsably ; that the eastetas department, the wales till mane derived heat theta, should Imiliewal tube assably sad heel itervemsen to. It wee weed aft wer• aothut hrliwrodii V 6B 08411118 Sr loyalty, be having bard of the awe of hell is Coaa&, the people of Booth Aastrolia did sot klt 141 ht to arthavraw the lineament still hasher. The bill Of the bake lord did sot amply with any of those onitlitirae, wawa with& Kr. Laws audited that air mew rare Weald Hies pemareisat vatletwaies to the eelasy. (!tear. hem) With rapes is the dolma ef the bil, be would lISSTT• his Amender till they west hate aeoktee. (Hear, howl _ _ Mr. 0. AIOSTEY sad the wales el Domingo bad boa Mod sad MINI MAXOLEB wkhed the beet institutions to be given at ones gad at first to the Weak& Mr. HUME said that the parka mow before the hoar was whether they would read the bill a wooed time oe post war it till they rushed further papers. He was against e itarporsteat, brume he was maidens that the hill per as speedily _as parable, though be should testae year to amend the bier it outalaeL lie mesidersd the erasure to be • healing we, sad as oat tea&ag to purrs the sleek,. (Hese, hear.) He valued this bill, as hr what it gave be rubes foe what it gas, the seam ot &- tale/sag. The bill was elaselly klarei—(a lmugb)—but still he thought it a. geed mow, mid hoped it would be speedily plated. To make the Wean usetul sad effective it was absolutely necessary to give them elestloo He (Mr. Hume) did not her anytivil era boa a spirit of desocresy. He believed, on the atainey, that If our esdestss were fairly treated that we need bore me appeshea slam whatever of their separatioe from BellYb gournawat, tar they wane tally 'speared with • sorrletion of the sid mats., they 'Must derive Isom the emetsMiea. On this point, elthdlik he regarded the proat meitsurs as tea it atriums, he relied more ups the words of ohs solder lord and the Under fur the Colonies, and felt ended, from what had rid, that he government did intend to es t i s i g i esponsible pvernment toour other North American , which wore still without it, and that if those colonies did call for a second chamber they should (Stela it. There was, however, an exception made is this hill which he objected to, a..maculated to create Inuit discord—be meant the money for the church. Now these colanies had ample means from Mad to meet thei r' wants in that respect, and as canals ee he stood there it world form • bone of contention. Oa the whole, he rejoiced the aseasare as a means for readering our depsdenedes so many great advantages, instead of being sewer of sea barrooms and difficulty to the ormatry ; stall there wore some isperkctions in it which he hoped the government would allow to be mashed in cossitteo. Mr. HAWKS was sure that the panel temper and spirit in which this measure had beta diseased would give groat satisfaction to our fellow subjects la Aurelia. It was tr u e I that the farm of government It proposed did not coincide seemly w th the British constitution, and objection had been made to it on that aecount. Referring to the papas, it would no doubt be seen that the report of the privy council, the opinion of So Cape of Good Hope, the minister of the crown, and he himself, all costarred in preferring generally two chambers to one. He freely made that adenten ; and it war fair to ask why, if such were the case, did they sot adopt that form of government which they believed tO be A. beet ? He begged, is the first place, to say that the measure In that respect did nut rest upon the ground that the constitution of New Smth Wales had given satisfactioo, but rather upon the principle, which he maintained to be correct and just, of consulting the represeotative bsdy when any great consti. tutional change was proposed. (Hear, hoar.) The people I of New 8 ruth Wales were contested with the present form of government, and so far that was a reason for extending it. Bat la the Cape no previous constitution existed, and nothing stood in the way of • double chamber. Here the case was diffaens, the outlines having bees given by the Secretary of State, the train details were left to the col. ists. The ques deg tu r e en was, were they (the House of Commons l_ pre. pared at once to force upon the colony of New South Wales and against her will two legislative chambers ? He was de. cidedly of opinion that the colonists were entitled to expect that no great constitutional change should be made without their previous consent. The bill proceeded upon that prin. eiplo, but it at the same time gave the colonists the power of creating two *hashers if they wished. (Hear, hest.) Mr. V. SMITH could not understand why if so many authorities, including those of the Secretary of if to the Prime Minister, were in favour of two chamber,, why the House of Commons should force upon the Australian cob. pies a single chamber ? His hon. friend said the colonists were satisfied with the measure. They were satisfied with it es the best they had offered, but If a better were proposed, riving them two chambers ' they might be doubly satisfied. The Hon. Under Secretary said that the alteration recom mended by so many bon. members would cause peat delay, bat of what consequence, even a year's delay, when the work in hand was toe vmstructing a constitution for a great empire. Every one seemed in favour of a second chamber ; why not, then, adopt it at once ? (Hear, her.) Ono thing he did not understand in the measure, and that was the adoption of a federative system in the Australian colonies. Such a system might be necessary is the United States, to enable the central government to treat with foreign powers, but why establish it among a people to whom we permitted no power of treating with foreign na tions except through the imperial governments. (Hear, hear.) With Teapot to our convicts, he thought that in return for eeltgovernment the colonies should consent to receive oar reclaimed population, for whom there was no chance whatever in this country. (Her.) He did not wish to force the coloniste, but he thought they should assist us in restoring to en honest life those who had no chance of doing so in this country. Hs trusted that the points to which he had alladed would not be lost sight of during the progress of the colonial measures through toe house. Mr. ADDERLEYdenied that the opioions of the colonists In New South Welt. were in favour of a single chamber. Mr. Id. MILNES believed that so large a permissive measure es the preheat had never been plead on the records of parliament, not that any of the American states bed ever received charters so complete in liberty and power of self-arbitration as were now about to be given to our colonial possession.. In his opinion the institutions cow offered to the colonists were as free as could be desired, and be trusted they would work them as Imam the citizens of a free countey. . . . . . Mr. WYLD was of opinion that all the colonies ought to be represented in the imperial parliament. Until you gave your brethren in distant colonies the right to send represen tatives to the British House of Commons to sup!, se their views and interests, yon would not do them justice. Mr. STANFORDaddressed the house at some length, but his observations were for the most part wholly inaudible In tte gallery. He was understood to complain of numerous °minions in I ► e emech of the noble lord in introducing Lis measures of colonial policy, and to contend that oar colonies could only flourish under the protective system. The bill was then read a woad time, and ordered to be committed on Monday neat. IRIB/1 DISTRESS. The report on the Distressed Unions Advances and Repay ment of Advances (Ireland) Bill wee brought up. Mr P. SCROPE had hoped t►e noble lord would have deterred the report until the house had acme more recent information as to the actual condition of the distressed unions. Lord J. RUSSELL was anxious to introduce the bill which was to be founded upon the report. The hon. gen tleman would have a much better opportunity of stating any objections he might entertain on the discussion of the bill. He proposed to ask for a vote not axeseding 300,000 i. for the purpose of paying off the debts due by the distnesed miens, but mute of the unions might .not require that assistance ; but every information in the hands if the government as to the state of the several unior s would be given before the house was called on to decide on the details of the measure. The report wee then agreed to. PARTY PROCESSIONS (IRELAND) BILL. This bill passed thruugh coalmines ' some verbal amend ments_ Wag made In the clause. at the instance of the Atter siey-Oemwm. PARLIAMENTARY VOTERS (IRELAND) BILL, AND ELECTIONS (IRELAND) BILL. The stooad reading of these bills was postponed to Friday mat. LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND) BILL. Bir W. SOMERVILLE moved for leave to bring in a bill to provide compessatioe to tenants for improvements effected by them in certain cases, and to amend the law of landlord and tenant in Ireland. The 111M11141 was 'ounded upon a bill that passed the lords' committee in 1848. Some important clauses were, however, now added. Oae of these was designed to prevent the carrying off of crops by night from the ground. Postponing any farther discussion until members had read the bill w • h he placed on the table, the ►en. baronet ex pressed hie belief that it would be found as complete and yet as moderate as was rsilble to make it. - 170W - CASTLBRE r naIi alluded to, and reprehended, some anti-rent expressions in the discourse of certain washy torian clergymen. After • few words from Mr. M. O'Conxits and Col. Duress, Leave was then given to bring in the bill. The bill was afterwards brought in end read a Ant time. METROPOLITAN WORKHOUSES. On the notion of Mr. WTLD, the report of Dr. Fan and m r. Grainger, to the General Board of Health, on thirty eight metropolitan workhouses, dead the 26th day of ]Groh, 1842, watt ordered to be laid epon the table of the house, and printed. PUBLIC LIBRARIES. Mr. BROTHERTON, in the abase* of Mr. Ewa; moved that the &Rowing members be nominated the aloft oommitta on public libraries:—Mr. Ewart, Lord Seymour, Mr. Disraeli, Sir Harry Verney, Mr. Charteria, Mr. Ban bury, Mr. Game Alexander Hamilton, Mr. Brothertoo, Mr. Milton Mr. Corrosion Lewis, Sir John Walsh, Mr. Thickness': Mi. Mackinnon, Mr. Kershaw, and Mr. Wyld. —41 1014 4 °' COMMONS IN CLOSURES. Mr. C. LEWIS moved for leave to bring in a bill to authorise the hudoeure of certain lands, in pursnanae of the gm animal panel report of the !flatcars Commissioners toe England and Wales, and to confirm the proceedings in the matter of the common wood Lucian's. Leave we 6►antod, and the bill was brought in and road • daft tinue. The home then adjourned •t tam minutes to 12 o'clock. PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS FOR THIS EVENINO. HOUSE OF LORDS. ORDERS OF THB DAY. Eliccnin allADLltoll.—Railways Abandoontent; Elnaday Trailing Promotion Bills. et Parliament Ahreviation Bill. PRIVATB BUSINESS. Sooorro RBADLIIOII. Bridges;. Forth sad Clyde Navigation ; Horne Bar Improvement; Illtropelilm Union Railways sad Canal; Belfast Improvement; Cale. doniaa sad Ediobarglt and Glasgow Railways Amalgama tion; Chippenham Waterworks ; Cluster and Holyhead Railway ; Man/theater Rioter, Divkloo ; South Wales Kaden (24 2); Reading Union W a t e r wor k s ; R oot h 8 Railway; Bills. NOTICES OF QUESTIONS. AJIIIY °mesas' WIDOWS' Paxatotta.—Colonel CHAT TERTON, to ask the right Hos. the &wintry st War, If ha has say objection to (nal a return of all *Moors' widows VII have ! RAWLS., p..'.... USN 11111 Ist day of January, 1010 : two of dm applicants, the rank of their deceased h the .i per sanua granted to each, aad, in ease of say refral, the reason of such re cal, with rehrearo to" wealthy eirensameuers " only. Cantaaa Psnazoinals' Savtwas BAWLS —Mr. HENRY HERBERT, to ask the at War a question eon. aersiag a circular addraned tot • staff °Olean is Ireland, an the rs. subjact of deposits in savings -banks by Chalets pannie NTIC MOTIONS. RAILWAY Bum.O— M r WO. PATTEN to move that the rometheiosiersol railways be directed to report their opinion to this home, la asoordaace with the proveions of the Act ' 9 and 10 Vic., c. 106, oa any railway bills which here been introduced &rile( the present session, in which it is proposed to raise or alter the Imes and tolls authorised to be taken ander existing seta of parliament. Liman or Amanda—To Mr. Benbow and Mr. Walter, the former till Zeiler, the latter for three weeks. altYlelolt or POOl Eras.—Mr. DISIIABLI, tom amities of the whole home, to take into its sonsideration each rovialcia Of the laws providing for the relief of the p ior of the United Kiegdoa of Great Britain and Ireland, as limy mitirate the thanes of the apricot trial clasets. Mr. AN DERSON,—To move, sa an amendment upon Mr. Disraeli's elation for a revisiou of the poor rates, for the appointment of a select committee to belittle into the efftcts of the laws for levying duties on the importation of corn and other esti• cultural produce from the yen 1816 to the year 1848, both inclusive ; also, into the relative amousts of taxation, local and general, which hays been levied during the same period on agricultural and other property and incomes. Till UNIY/ISITIES.—Mr. HEYWOOD, athirem to her Majesty, that she will be graciously pleased to appoint • corn. raissioa to inquire Into the Uaiversities and Colleges of Oxford, Cambridge, end Dahlia, with a view to assist those ancient Inatitutioas is their adaptation to the requirements of modem lima. _ AFFIRMATION BILL.-I[r. WOOD, bill to tumid* persons who refuse Oa religions grounds to be sworn, to subaututs an affirmation fur an oath_ LONDON Faaaltag BILL.—Mr. Alderman SIDNEY, bill for abolishing the payment Unties and stamp dunes on the admission of freemen of the corporation of London. Rsthwax TsArric.—Mr. RICARDO, bill for the better regulation of railway traffic Counrx Cot:rm.—Mr. GRANGER, to move for various returns as to the operation of the County Courts Act. 9 and 10 Vie., a. 93, the amount of business don., number of judg. aunts, menus paid in, and numbers of executions issued, and commitments consequent thereon. Also, di btor and cre ditor socount of the treasurers of each court respectively. Tan AMT. --Mr. HUME —Nominal return of all officers at present serving on the staff of the army at home and abroad, in the capacity of generals or colonels, where em ployed, date of appointment, &a.; and return of all officers appointed to the colonelcies of regiments from Jan., 1827, to March, 1848, with periods of service, whether in the guards, in tie line, or on tie staff. Two Navy.—Mr. HUME, various returns u to the names and numbers of her Majesty's vessels of war, whether in commission or in ordinary, on the let of January, 1819; of their aggregate tonnage and coat of, in building or repairs, in each year since 1828. Orrtcnxa or THE Nsyr.—Mr. HUME. detailed returns of the various grades of commissioned officers in the royal navy. giving data of commissions, when promoted, &c., and distinguishing the number of each rank on full or on halt pay, &e. TRANSPORTATION AND INPLIISuNKENT FOS ATISDE. )lIIANOUS. Colonel DUNNE, various returns on these subjects. Pool". LAW UNION ADVANCES (IRELAND).—Sir R FERGUSON, returns of the sums advs.ned to each poor law union in Ireland, under the acts 12 and 13 Vie., c. 24 and 63, with the date of such advance, to the latest Period ; and of the amount repaid to the imperial treasury, for the advances under those acts, with the daas, to the latest period. ORDERS OF THE DAY. SZCOND RlADlNo6.—Jadgmenta (Ireland) Bill; Amend. meats to be considered; Patty Proceuions (Leyland) Bill. Sir W. VERNER, to more, as regards the latter blll, several ameadareats. gtie erprPlso• OUTGOING MAILS. The mails for Gibraltar, Malta, Greece, the lonian Islands, Egypt, Ceylon, India, and China, Ma Southampton, will be made up to-sorrow morning, Feb. 20. The mails for British North America lad the United States will be made up en the evening of Feb. 22. The mails aid Marseilles, to the Mediterranean, Egypt, o,ylon, ladle, Hong-Kong, die., will be made up on the inciting of Feb. 26. The meal. for Lisbon, Spain, and Gibraltar will be made up on Feb. 27. The West India Mails, including Bermuda, H h, Nuns, Honduras, New Orleans, and Mexico, and excluding these for Madeira, St. Juan•de-Nicaragua, New Granada, Chili, and Peru,will be madeup on March 2. Tie mails for Maderia, the Brazils, and Buenos lyres, will be made sip on the evening of March 4. MON VAT= AT LONDON MUMS. TIRO Dab —lllsulag. 01. r.. Aliarbeso. Ob. 49.1. T,...sow—rem. Tb. blas 1111obseca. 1 h. 41.. LONDON, TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 19. ORANOEISM has fought its last fight, and has been gully and completely overthrown. Its previous conflicts were at most but partial and indecisive. Again and again its strength was broken and its banner humbled. Bat its pertinacious spirit was not crushed; and though ever baffled and dis comfited it contrived to rally in new quarters, and with new recruits under the old commanders. Its tactics were those of political guerillas, whom no general engagements could bind, and against whom no regular force could well be brought to bear. But in an hour of more than usual temerity Orangeism challenged the executive government to a pitched battle, upon whose lane it would stake its all. Its WATERLOO hu been fought and lost ; and the cause of civil order and religious liberty has been crowned with full and final triumph. Lord STANLEY'S charge against the policy and conduct of the Irish government was characterised last night by more than his ordinary rashness. Tne few expressions deprecatory of bitterness and passion with which he introduced the subject, seem to have been uttered rather with the artistic aim of giving higher contrast to what immediately after wards followed, than with any sincere desire or expectation of being practically observed, either by himself or his adherents. Before he was ten minutes on his legs, the zest of the political sportsman overcame all other feelings, and he plunged from one dangerous and damaging topic to another, committing himself more and more irre trievably at every step. His eulogy of [the Orange yeomanry was fitly accompanied by epithets of abuse flung upon " their cowar dl y and murderous" autago nists, whom, in the vehement), of his rhetoric, he could find no milder term to designate than " the rebels." Nor was the partizan character of his speech more remarkable than its levity. While he attempted to account for abstaining from making any distinct motion of censure on ministers for the dismissal of his much-injured friend the Grand Master of Down—on the pretence that it was in their judicial, net their I political, capacity he addressed the peers—the tory chief did not scruple to crack revolting jests, as he went along, upon the manner in which the victims of the pious Orangemen had come by their death. One of these—an idiot boy—was found upon the field of carnage, quite dead, his skull having been to all appearance beaten in by some blunt in strument like the butt-end of a musket. Lord STANLEY amused himself—we will not say even his own side of the hones—by grim pleasantries, to show that it had been with the other end of that weapon the inoffensive creature had been despatched ; and tried to gloss over the re volting fact, that two women had been slain by his "brave, loyal, and religious" clients, with • ludicrous quotation from the evidence of one of the terror-stricken females who escaped. His lordship's well-known ingenuity and adroitness as an advocate were chiefly exerted, however, in an elaborate effort to break down the faithworthiness of Mr. BERWICK'S report, on which the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland had confessedly acted in dismissing the Orange justices from the communion of the peace. For this purpose Lord I STANLEY set up another version of the facts and testi mony publicly given, purporting to to a report Liken in short-hand and subsequently verified by affidavit. All that this contained over and a b ove w h at was to be fou r i e r i r n t the learned commissiober's report to government be broadly accused Mr. BERWICK of having corruptly omitted. The passages were nume rous; many of them piquant; and the house evidently awaited with tome curiosity to hear what reply would be gives to this portion of the attack. Lord CLARENDON'a defence of Mr. BERWICK was brief but most complete. He read a letter from a gentleman who had been present during the entire of the judicial insestigations held in August last at Costlewellan, undertaking to prove that the pre. tended report (which had been used on a su b sequent trial in the Court of Queen's Bench, and thus had become the subject of inquiry and criticism) had never been taken down in short-hand or other wise by its putative author, but must have been subse quently compiled or composed! With this announce ment the triumph of Lord CLARENDON began: but it did not end there. He proceeded calmly and tem perately to demolish each and all of the charges which had been thrown out against himself and oth. r members of the government on the sobject, more especially that again s t the C HANCELLOR of IRE LAND for having acted merely in a ministerial cipa city, and without deliberation or conanantion. And 'finally, with reference to the efurepeated accusation, that during the unquiet days of 1848, the birth exe cutive had secretly given money and arms to the Orange lodges as such, Lord CLARENDON produeed the written testimony of Captain KENNEDY, through whom the intrigue for that purpose was said to have taken place, avowing that he had advanced the money out of his °tin pocket which the Dublin lodges had 'tickled for, and that he thought the government had erred in their scrupulosity as regarded the sup -3;:;g of arms at the period in question. Well might CLARENDON indulge is a passing sarcasm at the singular mode some persons had of proving the un parchaseable loyalty" whereof they boast so much. With a degree of infatuation difficult to compre hend, Lord RODEN himself, in the very muse of his rejoinder, volunteered an admission, if pooiible, stronger than anything which could be said in sus tainment of the justice of the course taken by the administration towards him. His lordship informed the House of Lords, that a few drys after the m _nacre at Nlagheramayo, he wrote privately to the Lord Lieutenant of Ire:and, offering either to resign or to acquiesce in his own removal from the magistracy, if the government thought that thereby the evil cone.. quences of what had occurred could be at all miti gated ; them confessing his own consciousness' of the lamentable position in which he stood. The circumstances of the tratuiaction were then but very imperfectly known to the executive; and Lord CLARENDON replied, with the credulity of old friendship, that he could hardly bring himself to believe that any step of the kind could be necessary. And this kind and forbearing language, conveyed un der the seal of confidence, Lord RODEN would bare the world interpret into the first lick of a Macchi avellian chain of anti-protestant treachery and hatred! Tun Manchester Church Reform Bill stands for second reading in the Commons this evening. Though promoted as a private bill, it is in reality a measure of very high public importance. And though its principles and objects are so sound that its second reading will not, in all probability, be openly opposed, there are, nevertheless, secret influences at work sgainst its details in such powerful quarters, that public attention to its merit will assist its progress through committee. The present ecclesiastical condition of Manchester is this : the pariah contains 400,000 inhabitant , , and is divided into 30 townships. Of the latter 8 are ' without church or clergymen. In the oilier townships there are the parish (or cathedral) church with 8 clergymen attached thereto, dieidi..g amongst them 8,4001. a year; and ti 3 district churches, whose incumbents have an average endow ment of 781. a year, or more than 2001. a year less than the average endowment of the incumbents of church benefices generally. The Churchwardens and Bishop of Manchester agree in thinking this an unsatisfactory state of things, and they have united to seek its improvement ; though in the particular mode of i s reformation they are not quite of one mind. What, however, they agree on is, that the property of the parish church ought to be applied to the spiritual improvement of the parish, respecting, of course, existing rights therein. Now the property of that church is very large; exceeding probably in gross rental 30,000/. a year; but, having been mismanaged and antici pated by its formerand present incumbents, its present net value to the parish church is not more than 6,0001. a year; with, however, the prospect of ventrally in creasing under better administration. This 6,0001. a year is appropriated thus: to the dean of the parish church, 2,0001. a year, and to its tour canons 1,0001. a year each. Though, however, these ecclesiastics are so handsomely paid, the services of their church are performed by three other clergymen, called chap lains and clerk in orders, who are paid from tees and pew-rents 2,4001. a year amongst them. The district of which the parish church is supposed to have spe cial care contains 20,000 inhabitants, not one of whom is ever known to have been visited spiritually by the dean who has 2,0001. a year, or by any of the canons, who have 1,0001. a year each ; and when a govern ment inspector lately examined the school over which those dignitaries, by a pleasant fiction, preside and superintend, one of the ingenious youths there in structed informed that official, to his great astmish merit, that King DAVID was a disciple of JEbI:11 CHRIST. To the application of the property of the parish church to the spiritual improvement of the parish, as proposed by the churchwardens and sanctioned by the bishop, Dean Bowea (formerly a tutor in and still a protege of the BEDFORD family) and his canons have insuperable objections; and against the proposition they are now (assisted by a clergyman notorious in Capel-court for his railway speculations) intriguing in London. They object, firstly, that though en titles to their 6,0001. a year, no parochial obligations or duties spring out of its receipt. They object, se condly, that the 3 & 4 Vict., chap. 113, made the pari,h church of Manchester as much a cathedral church u that of Durham itself, and thereby entitled the " dignitaries " of Manchester to be as hay as 'the rest of its inhabitants are industrious. The first objection has, however, been effectually disposed of by Mr. THOMAS TUR sit; who, in a series of ad mirable letters, has demonstrated, with almost mathe matical certainty, that the church establishment of Manchester, as originally founded, was essentially • parochial institution erected to provide for the more efficient discharge of all the du'ies attached to a cure of souls, and that its parochial character and duties have been maintained in all the subsequent charters. To Mr. TURNER'S irresistible conclusions the Bishop of AIANCHESTER has given his assent. And, in answer to the second objection, Mr. BA DDELEY, the eminent and learned high chur ch bar, biter, has given an opinion " that the statute 3 & 4 Vict., c. 113, has not released the Dean and Chapter from the cure of souls, or made any material alteration in their general responsibility;" and in this view of the law Bishop Lee is believed also to concur. The facts and the law of the case, the wishes of the inhabitants, the desire of the bishop, and the welfare of the parish, are therefore in opposition to the personal interests of the Dean and Chapter. Long odds these against Dean Bowes, even if backed by the BEDFORDS. . - . Necessary as the opposition of the Dan and Chap ter may render the discussion in committee of their dusty, dirty deeds, to place the case to be submitted to parliament on so low a foundation appears to us to be almost a degradation. The true principle on which the bill rests is the necessity for promoting re ligion and piety amongst the 400,000 inhabitants of the City of Manchester, and the obligation under which the legislature morally lies of re-distributing the property of the church in Manchester for that purpose. Now, as the right, much more the duty of re-distribution, was lately denied in the House of Commons, we beg attention to its assertion by Bishop BLOMPIELD on a memorable occasion : Is It then to be averted, at this time of day, that there can be no such thing as a lawful re-distribution of church property ? My lords, the principle of re . distribution is one which must be acted upon from time to t ime, or the church, as ea endowed church, will pease to exit. It is a principle which his been acted on by every branch of the Christian church—by she church of Rome in different parts of Europe, and by the church of this country. What was the alien*. lion of tithe from their original destination—the spiritual instruction of the priebionere, to the uses of religious houses—but a re-distribution of ecclesiastical property? What was the resumption of these tithes, and their appropriation to other purposes, 'n the time of Henry VIII., but a fresh re-diatribution ? The cathedrals, my lords, of the new faun. dation existed only in virtue lit re-distribution ; a , :con.l ro- ma this Sir L