The Express. — London, England, 1850-07-27 00:00:00

lbl PE MAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS - Fll DA T. JOLT 26. The Lofty C 11411011.1.011 t Da ►i. we it Eilieettlest. COUNTY COCBIII EXTENSION BILL. --- . Lewd BROUGHAM meented a petition from guessers sad *then, es the subject of a coecurrent jurisdiction being S ot to the immix warts. He would take this op- Portulitf Of saying that he had received various letteas, alluding to hi.. the promoter of this bill, and charging hit with gressineonsistency, being a op ember also of the Law Avairodasost Society, in advocating a osocuvreat jurisdiction tO Wag Mended to the superior courts. Now, he had not bon iewssessistent, for his object was to seehallste the present bill to that which he bat introduced in 1833, and which wee lest by a sasjoritv of one In their lordships' house. His =endemism, .0 which their lerdships had caseated, restored this bill of 1810 to the ctiaractcr sad spirit of the bill of 1833. MILITIA PAT BILL. This li so reed a third dee sod passed. IRISH PAUPERS. Lard REDESDiaITai observed from a report ha the pante papaws of amain proceeding at the Thames police mum that two penoas bad bees seat over to this country gram 'Maori, who bad roc/rived Is. 61 seek to make their way to England, to be maintained here by mendicancy, or by t►e rates of t►is country. Such • practise would be Islual ►m, parties io acting to England being subject:to • flag of U. He did not know whether such was t►e case L• Ireland or not, but he aboold be glad to be informed on Me subject. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE made some observations, which were totally inaudible M tbe gallery. BREACH OF PRIVILEGE. The time pennies, gamed Byrne, 111.Arthar. sad Hind, committed fee breath o• privilege I. baring forged signatures to a petitim, were brought up and discharged with a repel ntsad. Payment of the poets of incarceration was remitted, on amount of their poverty. TDB PROPOSED EXHIBITION IN HYDE PARK liiisii: Lord BROUGHAM asked their lordships' attention for a momentho the ill-edvised and most inauspicious course which had bees (Akre, by command of the first law officer of the crows, is reference to the proposed exhibition in Hyde-park. He held in his head the petition of persons living in the neighbourhood of Hyde park, complaining of the conduct of the Anon. y-Oneral on this subject Now he would not sey anything of their comfort and conveniathe, but deal ezeusively with the qwestion of public right. They stated that they bad prepared an information to be pot on the MID of the Court of Chancery. for the purpose of staying, by injunction, an 7 structure b-ing erected upon that which they were advised was so for the property of the public as to be witharawn, by strict right, from the power of the wr yest, of the Crown, or any department of the service of the Crown, without the authority of the legislature, interposed by special act of parliament. They stated their cue in detail; they hod t , ken the opinion of three most leaned and able counsel on the subject (two of whom had been heard in their lordships' house that morning) Three three learned gentlemen were Bir Fiterov Kelly (who had been twenty-six years at the bar), Mr. Roll, a gentleman of many years' standing at the bar ; end Mr. Cairns. a good conveyancer and equity draftsman, and allege practice. To the case submitted to them they bad at first returned separate opinions, and nabeetrawitly an suited opinion. the s Rest of which wee that, epos • review of the law, sad the facts generally, the structure proposed to be erected in Hyde-park was illegal, and they reemaineaded an immediate applitition fur an injunction to stay such pro medicos. The only step to be taken, they advised was by isformation in the name of the Attorney-General, who would proceed upon the relation of the indisiduals who were is reality the real parties to the suit, and had to pay the ewe. In all caws thereat and substantial party was the re lator. The Attorney-General, on the part of the ',abbe, was • formal, hut an absolute and necessary party. The relator With* gave instruction to counsel—be alone had the conduct, management, carriage, and control of the case; the Atorne)-General being connected w.th it merely from his position as Attorney-General, on behalf of the public H. by nn mans intended to assert that the AMT. Bey enteral might not by law, at any moment, interfere, and become from the nominal the real, from the formal, the' substantial psity in the silt. An information could only be died with the assert of the Attorney-General, gni if he chose to withhold that consent it could not be sled. The assent of the Attorney General to an information was as necessary as Wig the assent of the crown, signia ed through the Secretary of State, to a petition of right. where a sub ject. atter having been dieseizA of his fresh 'ld by the crown, or by the enemies of the crown acting cadet the autho- rity d the crown, sought to recover his freehold. The AttornerGeseral bad been applied to by the peti tioners, and had refused his concurrence in the information. Si^ cob was a sufficient answer for hits to make—that was the law—the esart could not compel him to awent to the information; nothing but an act of parliament could compel him, or the order. of hit sovereign, which he might obey or dm Awe. as be chose. (A laugh) What, then, was to be done ? The only course which could be takes was to peti. bon both houses of parliament. Tree relators laid the opi nion of the three eminent lawyers he hat referred to before the Attorney-dearth), who, having taken time to randier, gave • renewed Infuse!, and stated the reasons upon which each refusal was given. Not only was there • fair ground given by thaw three lawyers for an information. but their opinion wee sufficient to justify the Attorney-Oeneral in bringing the case into emir ; he had, moreover, been toll that the merits were with the relators, and that the encroach ments on the park were contrary to law. Now, lot it not be "opposed that he considered the authority of the Attorney- General ightly, or that, in the observations which be might make. he had the Cightest preja , :ice against that indi 'ideal. On the contrary, from his knowledge of him and of his excellent distioguithed rod learned parent, he had to wards him the most friendly and favourable feeling. Whatever remark. ha might Nuke upon the hon. and learned gentleman's conion were extracted from hint by a sense of public duty, and were made more painful to him on that mouse The Attorney General in this case add that it would, in h:s °pleas', be an improper mea sure on his par: if, in the nerd.* of his discretion and sating on behalf of the public, he were to san-tion a pro ceeding directly at varieties with the vats of the House of Common.. Toe Attorney-General could not have had before him a record of the vote of the 11 awe of Commons. Tee vote, which he sail unequiv 'tally expressed the opinion of the House of Commons, was this: The the report reApecLad the proposed eihNtion to Hyde hut In 1451 be ...bi tted to • select easunittee of this house, be V's pu pae of eel/lunation and du, ensekteretion of the .stns: and that the repel of the acid ..Pet eomrsittee be laid upon the tallest of the house, and that the eviction by tale hews be riven t i such report before my bother proceertnee us the part of the commissioner, with lewd to the Pall eatubAlon, shall be proceeded with or ad "Led by them. To which an amendment was sued, "That an humble address he minded to her Majesty, preying that her Ma bty may be gratieuely pleased to give directions that no uildies be placed in Hyde-park for the purpose of eahibi. tine ;" and the question was takes on the molds which were Ant nod standing part of the gentile. Tee division wee upon the mocks referring the report to a select committee, and that the report of this select committee should be laid on the table of the house, sad as that there was • cossiderable majority. Theo the seta queetioe we. put, that the re,ort respecting the proposed ezhibitio• be submitted v. a select committee, and that the committee report to the house, and their report be lasi ea the table of the house, and It war negatived. And this wee what the Attorney General called the usequivocal decision ',the Commons' Moue of Parliament in favour of the proomodisgs of the tommieelotten. He would teke this, not I. form but in substance. He would suppose that sub itatitially there had been elicited from the other hoes- of parliament a vote in favour of the troreedinee in Hyde Park. Wee that a vote in favour of the legality ? Their lordships would see the peculiar end anomalous position in which the public wee placed by the Attorney-General's pro goodie's. Lord J. Reseal wa— llet the hoe. and learned member for Newark had Lid down a ameba which the hen. brat Auld hue well cosesiired—_ tait - rt - wa; - aol - ror . tls7 1;i - ea - To - I;teTar - e - qTre - tkoa7ef law, a preMad to decide questions of law-!hear, nary-and that the right hot. geatlemaa the member for the University of Oxford hod lose too far la wishing that the house should cane to any opiates upon the mention of He Wird J. Itemeell) thought that observa tion wee perereCy true, but it was not quite conatenst with what the sad barna gentleman afterwards suggested, maraele, that the bases should wait In Seder to have the question decided la a court of law. The question before the house was mot a question of law, but the guanaco was whether the house should offer any advise to the crown in regard to the selection of Hyde-pull as the site for the pro pm= exhibition from a wash to take care of the rights of the public, no whether the house should refrain from offering any such advice. Plow, he thought the hour might keep such a question as that en tirely free have any question of law. He defied words mon streagly or plainly to show that the grunion of law was withdrawn from the consideration of the house, and upon the riser understanding that the gees tioe of law was for the courts, and not for es House of Cos. moos, to be dealt with. If as attorney-general had no bettor name than thia--if an attorneyegeneral, because he had some person to please ander whom he held office, was to impede, obstruct, end frustrate the due administration of justice on a most important que'tion, sad oust all reference to the law, then it soil sat be contended fora moment that this was • eusetry yenned by law, or a free country. Lord J. Ros sall and the other Lords of the Treasury were the parties agaiast wham the information ought to have been filed. The Attorney-Omen' said he had the power of withholding his fiat. Nobody dispute 1 it ; but if he did not exercise that power, Vat Ines discretion, that IMOlt dangertru prerogative, upon mender and better reasons than he kwd set forth in the paper he had published, then he (Lord Brougham) said thee It could ant be maid that we lived under the dominion of the law. The Marquise( LANSDOWNE remarked upon the unfair mess of as attack upon an abuts• official without notke given. AU he (the Marquis of Lanedowno bad to say was, that he did not stand there pupated, still less instrueed, to explain or to defend the course pursued by the Attorney• General in the energise of the great and important functions entrusted to him by law, bat to express his oonvictiqu that he would justify himself both in law, in equity, and in policy, as to his eon duct In this meteor. and that he wouli make himself right with the other house, with their lordships rouse, and with the public. (Hear, hear Alter postponing his motion relative to the diplomatic and twit listsalariee until Friday neat, Lord Brougham promised definitively to bring it forward on that day. The &tun Leas ng ( I Maw' ) Bill, the Court of Exchequer (Ireland) Bill, and the Militia Pay Bill, were successively read a third time and passed. The Highway Hares Bill was read • second time. On the motion of Had Ga•siviLL• the Stock•in-Trade 8.11 was red a third time and paned. The other hills on the table were (=waded I stage, and their lordships adjourned at • quartur.past eight,,,, HOUSE OF COMMONS.-FIUDAT, JULY 20. The SPBAIRS took the 4111111. St 12 &clerk. THE BARON DE ROTHSCHILD. Wheat the repeat whisk appeared Is t►e Bret oaks of yesterday's Etyma wee despatched, yr. P. Wood vas speaking. The hen. member coseheded Mae Time may be serious queetioas perhaps in regard he *lt third oath—the sack of abjuraticn —tut we have nee arrived at that yin the oath of &Hygiene* stands fi rst, and that the Baron Ds Rothschild is ready to take, and I my, that by I law, ha has • right to do so. (Rear, Mae) Thu Menton r who hare returned him have u s e a tight to demand it. • (Hear, hear.) I would ask the house this question—Wr. , Salmons has bees sworn on the same oath to the lam of r eheeili—be wil e ;wainted Sheriff of London, and boa taken r th e oath ma en upon the duties of that office lathe Name way as the Baronßothschild claims to take it now—suppose t he had been refused, what would hare been the result ? Not t only would the City of London have lost his services, but he himself would kayo been liable to heavy penaliies for not serv o in. The City cf London had a right to call upon him to I Sake the oaths, and Ito did es ; and in like manner the City r of Ludes bad a right to say to Baron Rothschild : You have been elected by us as oar reprematative—yon must go to the Hosts of Commons and offer to take the oaths re quired on &dominion to that house—we will Lot impose anything upon yolk that may be opposed to your conscience, but you must go and show that you are reedy to enter upon the ditties you have undertaken at your election ; and unless there be some law or Stibnite to prevent you, we inden upon your doing so." (Hoar.) I regret to say that for the masons I have stated I shall be obliged to vote not only against the mottos of the boa. gentleman the member for Oxford Uni versity, bat also against the amendment of my hon, and learned fried the Attorney General. (Loud sheen.) Mr. S. WORTLEY, 4, moldering the nature of the gaie ties before them,—the position of the hen. gentleman who had offered himself at the table that day, and eonridering also the position of the comstituency he claimed to represent, thought it impossible to overate the importance of the sub ject—(hear)—and he could not too steoogly give his concur rence in the opinion expressed by his hoe. and learned friend the Attormey-Oeneral, that proceeding as they were, judicially, it was essential to tie cignity gad character of the house that they should rot decide without due delibera• tics. (Hear, hear) And (manor, he thought it would be wise on that occasion that they should as nearly as they could follow in the steps of the precedent they had in pre vious eases, and to take the same courts which had been taken at similar junctures and under similar circuit. stances. If he remembered rightly it was on a Friday that Mr. O'Connell presented Himself, and, on the motion of Sir R. Peel, the debate was immediately ad journed until the Monday following ; and on that following Monday the motion sanded to by the hon. anti learned A'. toriepCieneral was domusse.l and decided. (Hear, hear.) Considering the little notice the house had had, sad that, so tar as the great majority of the house was immersed, they bad bad no opperusity of making themselves acquainted with the facts, it appeared to him that it would he Wilt to follow the precedent which had b en set in the O'Cooneli case. (Oh, oh,) Monday nay, rat this late period of the maim, might probably ho inconvenient to the government (Hear, hear.) He would therefore amine Tuesday next, at twelve o'clock, sad he begged to move that the debate be adjourned till then. (Hear, hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL said—l own I think that when any hoe. member of this house mks that the di bate should he adjourned, considering the cirmunstancea is which we stand, and which the hon. and learned gestleman has just stated— viz., that up to last night no one tapered that Baron Roths child would claim his seat to-day, I own I consider that the proposal is so reasonable and is conformable with the eha racier of the house, that I think it ought to be taken into delibsratioo. (Hear, Marl I do not thihk the hoe. gentleman is quits right in his precedes:, because he will tied that when Mr. O'Connell made his claim it less pro posed—l think by Mr. Brougham—that should he beard at the table of the house in sup?ort of that claim. Mr. Peel was in doubt whether that was the course which otieht to be pursued, and he asked for time, till the Monday following, to deliberate and consider the question. On the Monday Mr. Peel proposed the', instead of bring beard at the table, Mr. O'Connell should be heard at the her, that course being more conformable to precedent; and, harass come to that conclusion, the house unsnimou.ly agreed to the amend ment made to the original motion to that effect, and a rem lution accordingly was adopted. Bat the house isnot exactly in the same position now that it was then, for we have now a precedent already set. The house hay n i t in that cast, wt.hout division. adopted that resolution, a prece dent exists which we may, I think. safely follow. As 1 have said I think that with respect to thi proposal to be sworn on the 03 Testament, which, however familiar to acts of parliament, is not so familiar to this house, I think it is fit that the house should take due time for deliberation. (Cheers.) And whether the Baron Rotheehild;;;Tiarot 1 to be heard by himself, his come', or agent, or that the house should proceed to a decision on the csee as it now stands before it, aided by the rep irt of the committee-- whether the one course or the oth. r be taken, some days of deliberation, I think, are due W the gravity of the eu : •jec'. ('• Oh, oh," and chem.) The boa. and learned gentleman opposite (Mr. &Wortley) ha. told us that he his not hat hi. attention sufficiently directed to the report of the committee, which is on the table of the house, to he in a pos.tion to state the views he takes of the subject ; and if that is true of the bon. and learned gentleman in regard to a qu.stion miff• sting the constitution and law of the house, how much more is it likely to be the case with otter hon. members, and that they will require some time to look into the important matter of precedents as bearing on this question ? I hope, therefore, bon. members will carefully read the report of the commit tre—(a laugh)—which is lull of interesting matter, stated without argument on the one side or the other,but with a view to enable hon. members to make up their minds on the gun %ion before them, sod that some day next week we may ►e in a condition to come to a decision ;loon it. I shout I rather wish the hoc member himself, who claims a slat to this house, should have his convenience consulted with teepee I to the day which may be named for proceeding with the discussion ; and further, it any day new week would he more convenient to him than another to attend and dec'are either that be does n 4 wish further argument on the *Wiwi, or if the house should think h• to ask any further questions as to any further objections he may Lava wit. regard to the osths to be taken, if he should prefer any one day to another for that purpose, I should, as far as I am concereel , wish that day to be tired; one in the wan while I think the htn:ei cannot attend too gravely to the importance of the question S.r B. HALL should feel it his duty to juin with hie boo. and I d friend the member for Ovord in votiryr against both propo•itione. Tone was no desire to tele, the house by surprise, though he admired that most members i could not Dave anticipate•l this dircuesion. Bat he cam pleined of the dilatory and lukewarm conouct of Lard J. Russell on the subject, and of his unexpected announcement that he did not mean to proceed with the bill he had intro deiced open the quintile. His lordship had forced the electors of London into declaring that they would no long.r be trifled wit►. He asked whether government entertained any real doubt of the state of the law, or whetter this was apt a mere pan for farther delay ? He though• that the oaths ought to be put to Baron Rothschild on the Old Testa ment, and if he stopped at any words, the mat stage of the question would come on. _ . Mr. ANSTEY found, from an analysis he bad in his hand of the proceedings, thot in Mr. O'Connell's ewe the course was this—on Mr. O'Connell refusing to take the oath, Mr. Brougham moved that he should be heard at the table of the house, whereupon Mr. I'eel moved that the debate should be adjourned until the Monday follow inc, with the view, as reported in the " Mirror of Parlia ment," of enabling the house to look into precedents, and to see whether be ought to be heard at the bar or at the table. On the Monday Mr. O'Connell we. called bark and heard at the bar, sad Mr. S:cretary Peel, in opening the debate, on his own ameadmeot, that he be heard at the bar, stated that wording to precedent Mr. O'Connell ought dearly to be heard at the bar, and moved accord. isgly, sad intimating that with the eoneurreace of Mr. Brougham the house would commence sad fiaish the debate that night. That was the case of Mr. O'Connell, and so case bad occurrsd like it since the time a William He contended that the house had had ample time ler con sidering the question, sad that it was the duty of bon mem bon to have made t hemselves acquainted with the report of the committee. Lord John Russell had no right to protract the exclusion of his colleague from the louse; but the feet was that it was inconvenient to come to a decision upon the merits of the case, and the object of thus motions was well undentood. It was notorious that the leading members of the two hereditary factions of the country had, last night, come to • happy understanding as to the obstruction to be offered to Our discussion of thia question. Then never had buns fairer opportunity for repairing injustice, sad that opportunity the house was preparing to dell's. Mr. Ansley then addressed himself to the legal bearing of the case, and concluded an animated argument by announcing that he should oppose the 'notice for adjournment. Mr. NEWDEGATE denied the right of the House of C meson. V 3 settle by itself a question which hid formed the subject of bills submitted to both breaches of the legislature daring two our:erosive sessions. Su is a proceeding stultified the past conduct of the Commons, and insulted the Lords. He proceeded to remark upon the haste with which the subject in its new form was now forced upon their coa sideration. Mr. B. OSBORNE said that Lord John Russell treated Ow Jew question as he bad done becaumilthe Jews were a small body, who could not endanger the safety of a cabinet or his own election. As for the stickler, for precedents, they were sot even true to their own musty lore ; for Mr. O'Consell's ease and the baren'e were quite different, the former refusing to take the *airs and demanding to be heard at the bar ; while the latter did not retiree to take the oath., and did not wish to be so heard. He reminded the house that for sou. ral sessions the admissibility of Baron Rothschild had bean amply debated, and more than omits affirmed by large majo rities. The propoeal that he should now be heard at the bar was intended to delude the house into fighting a sham battle, when the principle would not be fairly decided, and the hon. member repeated, in spite of a dental from Mr. Walpole, that this course was adopted by an " arrangement" with the ministry. He then celled on the Speaker to &Ware whether be could refuse to administer to an elected member an oath midst the same forms which were admitted in every court of judicature throughout the king loin. The SPEAK ER, tiles challenged, said that this was not . • question to be decided by any opinion of his, and that the question was a legal one. A number had demanded to be sworn is • mode novel to that house, and it was not for him (the speaker) to allow the oaths to biadmieistered in an un accustomed manner, without the authority of the house. Mr. GOULBUItN thought there ought to be an adjourn ment, and, at some length, went into as examination of the precedent us the ease of Mr. O'Connell, by which he thought UN house should be bound. Mr. .10LIONI1Y hoped that au adjournment would be agreed to without • diei‘ion. idir F. THESIOEIt Moat* that when tits baron pre. seated Wan& at the table he Would have bean ...had why he deallael to hi sworn on the Gospel s , an d w h y he wished to be swore on the Old Testament. la that wise, all pre liminary dismission would have been saved, mid the whole question would have been railed upon the neat debet•—• counts which he thought ouilat certainly to be adopted. Mr. SUEZ olisetsd to Bane jiothahild's bog utaltisti s or sass isvited, to sunphsy eouassitipea • saaftr is which he and the claims of Laden itemiderod the has elem. 11 1 the sant sincadnesut woes withdraw*, he had cis ob- Jeetian lathe seljnurassent. Lard I. RUSSELL could sot see the hardship onsplaina issamausts as it was compstaat to abs Bsroa Rothschild to &Wine to employ weasel. Mr. WALPOLE suggested that he should be tilled and asked Uhl) would take the °atilt appointed to qualify mop bars otitis knees. 11r. P. WOOD said he had just ►ad a oommuolcation with the hon. member for the City of London (who at behind t►e bar), who bad astborised him t say that he did not with to be beard by sonaml, and only desired to be sworn on t►e Old Testament. Mr. J. STUART submitted that there was no precedent whatever for besting consul upon • question which must be resolved and settled according to the law and custom of par liament. ----- Mr. B. WORTLEY said the question the house had to cleeide was, whether the debits b. adjourned, Kr. HUNK said he had so objectioo to an adjoarnment If Ike amendment of the Attorney-Gummi were withdrawn, spot which Ts ATTORNEY-GENERAL having declared that if the debate wee* adj.orned Pa should, oa its resumption, withdraw his amendment, a prolonged and confased discos aim as to the most wormiest forts for taking the adjourn ment and resuming t h e debate ensued. Ultimately the entombment was withdraws and notice of a new amendment given declaring that Baron Rothschild sh ou ld b e a t once admitted to his seat on t.king the oaths according to the forme of hie own faith. Some esisallanecu but animated oontroverly followed re specting the day when the discuesioa should be resumed. Lord d. RUSSELL 4xpresseel his opinion that the ques- tion ought to he taken u early as possible. Us thought, lON that it would be very difficult to bring the house to son War, as ivies members appeared to do, that any one of the oaths prescribed by law could be separated from the others. de moved the adiournment o' the discuesios till Monday at twelve o'clock. b viral speakers addressed the hone* emit noisy and protracted interruptions, against which the Speaker's voice was heard in vain. Mr. Reynolds (being peculiarly aggrieved by these exclamations) indignantly de• dared that those who sawed them would Sad it very incon venient to do so elsewhere. At last, Mr. Lastly moved that the debate should proceed that evening upon members re- assembling ; but this motion was negatived upoe a divi ion by 191 votes to 62-129. A second division was called upon a motion for filing the renewed debate for twelve o'clock on Monday, which was *dinned by a majority of 168 to 67-101. Os oar readmiesks late the gallery, Mr. ANSTEY was addressing tn. house, and we under stood him to be expressiog a hope that in the event of the debate not coming to a conclusion in the miming sitting of Monday, ministers would take such measures as to secure its being continued and concluded the same night. The house then adjourned to a quarter to 6. The house maned at a quarter too x o"clge.k. PETITIONS PRESENTED. _ _ _ - 8174111 COMML•NIC/TION WITH AWITIALIA. —By Mr. SIMEON, from ab lie a hundred intending cAonista about to packed to Canterbury, in New Zealand, in fivour of steam communication with toe Australian colonies By Mr. SCOTT, from merchants of tha City of London, in favour of the Cape route to Australia ; Mr. CARDWELL, from Li• verpool, in fay.Jur of Elam communication with the Austra lian colonies. CHUMMY INSPICTIOX BILL.—By Mr. WYLD, Iron colliers of Duress*, fa fsv um of this b 11. OATH or Mu CLATIuS (Jaws) BILL.—By Mr. DE ED ES, from St. Juan the Apostle. Dover, and Dymebutat, amtiost this bill.—Pvtltions went ',stemmed by Sir C. LEMON, from a place in Cornwall, against any further con cessions to the JOWL PUBLIC PETITIONS COMMITTEE. Mr. THORN ELY brought up the 6/ at report of the coil. "tt" " public "uti ii " Vim PARK. Sir F. THESIGER presented a petition from four gentle men residents in the neighbourhood of Hyde Park. stating that they hod been the intending relat , m to certain proceed ings in the Court of Chancery to sa the commissioners for the exposition of 18.51 from bu 'ding in the perk. They stated that thee.. had been a surrender by her Majesty and her predecessors of the hereditary ties and possessions of the crown is lieu of a civil :list, end that Hide-park was one of these posteriors. and was placed under the C3111f.11 of the Corenitsioners of Woods and Forests as trustees. The petitioners complained that thentrust had been violated, 20 acres of the park having b:en leased for the purpoee of mewing a building for the exposition. They stated that they bad proceeded to institute proceed'isgs in the Court of Chancery. but that the Attornej-Oeneral hid refused the treasury unction, and they pressed the house to take such steps as might be necessary to prevent a practical denial of justice. THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 27, 1850. NEW WRIT. A new writ wan movs.l tor the borcugh of Dungannon, in th e romp of V.senunt Nothland. COURT OF EXCHEQUER (IRELAND) DILL Tae Lords' amendment to this bill were considered ant agreed to. MESSAGE FROM THE CROWN. Lord S. RUSSE L brought up a message from the criwn stating her Msjestv's wish to sells Marlborough Hou-e as • residence on the Prises of Wales when His R Highness should have reached the age of 18. and also that the 11 ins. of Commons svould take the question of a suitable proinsEn for His R ghnese into their sonsid-ration. His lord id•ip gave notice that he sh .m:d move the cowideration other Majesty's siIMSAft• 011 Monday nest. THE IRISH FRANCHISE BILL. _ _ ...... Lord J. RI:SSELL—I stated that I would give notice to day of what wculd be the ou'etance and terms Lf the amend. ments I shsuld propose r. spitting the Franchise Bill for Ireland. The Isrds made two amendments especially, of very lath.. importance. One of thtm requires that persons claiming to vote for a county should be rated at 151 annually instead of 8/. u proposed by the COMI:113111; and the other ri quires tat a person enti.led to register should himself give not:es of his wish to he so registered. Without going into ceded', I may sate that I shall propose that instead of lit., 121. be substituted as the rating qualithation ; and with re epee to the second. I intend to owes that this house should disagree to the lords' amendments. UNSr AmPED PUBLICATIONS. Mr. SCHOLEFIELI) asked whether government would have any objection to lay on the table certain correspondence which hat taken plate between certain portico and the Corn. missionen of Inland Revenue respecting unstamped cations, and, it there were objection', could be be informed of the grounds? Mr. C. LEWIS said that although it was easy to state what in the eyes of the law was a newspaper, there was sametions csosiderable difficulty in drawing the line, espe cially in the case of publications which lay on the confines. Then were several publications of this description upon which there was oussiderahle doubt, among the rest on called the flowehoki Aarratirr of Cur•era Events, pub. lished by Meters. Bradbury and Evans. The B card of &Hope had come to the coneusion that that publication earns under the deaunation of a newspaper, and a eommunicatin was made to the publishers requiring them to submit to the stamp regulations. A correspondence to* place, one paragraph of which stated, on the put of Messrs. Bradbury and Evans their wish to have the whole questi, n tried no a special nee to bo submitted by arrangement. The commissioners had etudes! to test arrangement, ac cepting the offer of a judicial decision, and a reference was reqnested to the solicitor of the parties. Seeing that the matter will thus to be submitted to judicial investigation, he ' trusted that his hon. friend would not prow his request. (Hear, bear.) BUSINESS OP THE HOUSE. Lord J. bIANNERS asked the First Lord of the Treseury whether, if the;h , use should not dispose of the business filed for Monday, on that evening, he would take it agsin on the following day. or go on with the Irish Franchise Bill. Lord J. RUSSELL said that if it should be necessary to adjourn Mendey's debate, he would adiOnfa it to Thurs day, and take the Irish Franchise Bill, as arranged, on Tuesday. CEYLON. Mr. BAILLIE reverted to the report of the Callon Core. mitres of Inguis y, remarking that the withholding of the evidence from the home wa. dierespectlul,and the report itself discreditable At early as possible n►at session he should move that the whole evident► be Isid nom the table. WELSH BISHOPRICS. - . Mr. J. WILLIAMS 'aid—lt being well known that the separation of the treat body of the people from the church in Wales is caused by the want of sympathy on the part of their English erclesiutical rulers with the feelings, habits. and language of the people ; and that the solemn cer. monies of consecrating churches and confirming children are still per. formed in lauxuage not understood by the people, I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury whether he will assure the home that no clergyman shall In future be appointed to any see in the prircipality of Wales who is not well se ' (inflated with, and able to speak, read, write, and preach in the Welsh !Tijuana? _ Mr. NICHOLL. before the noble lord answered the ques tion, wished to ask whether, con•idering the vecurilies taken by the Act 1& 2 Vie., esp. 108. for preachi ng an d admi nistering the sacrament in the Welsh language by clergymen appointed to livings in Wales, and the adjacent counties wherein that language wu spoken, he did not consider that in this rnput adequate provision was ma le by the existing state of the Ilw ? Lard J. RUSSELL, in reply to the question of the hon. member for llseclesfi, Id, stated that some years ago it wee a question whether or not the house should enact that no clergyman should be appointed to a see in Wales who was not well acquainted with the Welsh language. Thet proposal wu not approved of by the house, It being their opinion that the discretion of the crown should not be fettered in the appointment to sees in Wales. Consider. ing that circumstance, and also that in the discretion which devolved upon him, be had advised the crown to appoint a clergyman to a see in Wales who was competent to in struct in the Welsh lauguage, and well acquainted with Wales, besides being a person of knowledge, leani ng . an d Piety, he could not consent to fetter himself by the pledge now asked for. (Hear, hear.) With d to the question of the hoe. membriopposite (Mr. Nichol)), which referred to clergymen, no► to bishops, without having particularly looked at that subject, be should be inclined to consider that the existing set did nuke @efficient provision as to the know ledge of the Welsh language being necessary to be possessed by persons holding livings in Wale.. If, however, he should on further consideration find that further legislation was necessary, be shi ul4 not hesitate to propose it. (He ir .) PARLIAMENTARY VOTERS (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion for going into committee of supply, Mr. DISRAELI said that when the intention of ministers as to the amendments intreAluced by the Lords in this bill was announced a few minutes before, there beige no ques tion before the house, he could not refer to the subleat. lie rereett d that no man conciliatory spirit bad been shown og . the part of the government to meet the views of the other house and thatooluequently, there wee ben little pro erste the bill pools/ hate a law during the pretest sermon. (" Oh, oh," and *bens.) He begged to ansewsee, go• the pan of the party with whom be acted, that they amid feel it to be their duty to oppose the altentiose which the noble lord had stated it was greposed by the government to make In the bill. (Cheers.) Lord J. RUSSELL bad thought the proposal he had in timated that he should have to make on the part of the *o verflying, would be liable to observation aid censure, on the ad that it wee proposed to make too great a oonoeadoa to the House of Lords—(ebene)—when he said that he was ready, for the sake of obtaining the consent of the other house, to male an alteration in the franchise from 151. to 121., the House of Lords having altered it from M. to 151. He could hardly misseive how the cheep of want of coaciliatictn applied. (Cheers.) CEYLON. Mr. HUME then rose to call attention to the report of the Ceylon committee. He wanted to know by what authority the committee bad referred the end's°, to the goverement. For his part, he was not disposed to leave anything connected with the subject to the government, for they were In tact implicated in the charge, for they had acted in violation of all the prisciplee which ought to have gunned their conduct in the matter. He spoke in so far a. they had approved of the seta of the Colonial Secretary. The committee ream mended last year that ammonium should proceed to Ceylon, but the noble lord, to stifle truth, proposed that the inquiry should be resumed by the committee this session, and that the wheelies whose evidence might be neonsary to elucidate the truth, should be ordered home here. But when the chairman of that committee pointed out the names of the parties from whom evidence was required, the committee were informed that the noble lord (Stanley) would not con tent to their being summoned. He mentioned this to show the nature of the obstructions which the government had thrown in the way of the inquiry. The committee had now determined not to make any report to the I ouse, and the inhabitants of Ceylon were to remain unprotected, and their grievances unredeemed. He wished to knew from the go vernment whether the consequence of that decision on the part of the committee wou'd be to put off the question alto gether until next lesion, or whether any steps would be taken is the meantime / (Hear, hear.) He con tended that the result of the evidence was, that if • wart martial eat upon Lord Terrington's ceninct in any pot of the world, he would not be allowed to bold her .jesty's commission for one hour afterwards. He tberefHe appealed to the house, and to those who were anxious that jostles should be done to our fellow subjects in distant parts of the world, whether Ceylon was to be subjected to a tyranny worse than that which prevailed in any other part of the world, and which it was disgraceful to this country to permit. He t•rone wunot willing that any part of the Queen'esubjects abouli remain for one hour under the government of • men who bed violaeed the principles of humanity and outraged not oily the feelings of a gentleman, but, he must add, the ordinary usages of civilised life. (Hear, hear.) Last year, when the proceedings of the courts-martial were called for, they were t , Id they had not yet been received in England. Yet the noble •lord, in the absence of those proceedings, without any knowledge of the evidence, gave his sanction to them. This year. for the firet time, they bed some exeunt of those proceedings, sad they found that Lord Torrington , hid ordered the sentences of the courts martial to be carried out at once, without going through the ordinary form of re- ferring the evidence to the commarder-in-chief. The conduct of Sir H. Ward in Cephalonia wee bad enough, but that of Lord Torrington at Ceylon was in finitely worse. He had abolished all the safe guards wlicb the law required should be exterded to her Majesty's subjects when sabjec.ed to military law. As he had said, he beli e ved there was any ground f.r martial law, and, consequently, the proclaiming it was an illegal act ; but Bopp • rag he had the power to establish mar tial law himself, it was clearly illegal to delegate that power to Colonel Drought, and for him to delegate that power cgain to the other officers of the army, was a course wholly unprecedented. (Hear ) It was on thee* grounds that at this late period of the session he was anxious to call atten tion to the subject. He regretted to say that they had n)t been met in the committee in that way they had • right to expect from the govanment Instead of affording them every information to enable them to judge, they bad rather stool between the people of Ceylon and the parties who had been guilty of these cruelties. It .Could be remembered that besides the seerifice of life which had been io Hicted, numbers of the people had been sent into banishment, and were at this moment suffering all the inherit" of that condition ; and, in addition to this, under Lord Torrington's proc:ama tine, the military had entered the houses of thou persons who had fled to the jungle ter fear of the martial law, and, taking their absence as • proof of guilt, bad plundered their dwellings and seized and sold their property. This question of the plunder of the property by the military was of itself a matter for grave investigation, even were there no other feature in the case. (Hear, hear ) These were the acts which the committee up stairs had, by the course they bad adopted, et fled all inquiry into tie demanded on the ',snot the purple of Ceylon, who had petitioned the house that thou who were guiles, might be puni'hed, and that they shot.ld not he screen• el by the Colonial,ffi:e. Lord J. RUSSELL thought the house would be of opini en that it was impossible at the present time to enter into the consideration of those affairs of Ceylon with respect to which the committee appointed to investigate the subject had not the ught it right to report the evidence taken before them to the h use. The committee having come to that de cision, for the house now to act on the statement of the hon. member, he submit.ed was entirely out of the question. (Clem.) He trusted, however, that eo hon. member would tak • for granted that the hen. getit'entan's statements were at all berets out by what took place before the com mittee. The report of that committee was 2. lour committee also regret that, notwithstanding their utmost diligence awl perseverance, they find themselves still unable to make a complete report upon some o f the various macera in;u which they were directed by he boot to inquire. 3. Your committee are of minima that the serious attention of her 31a;estro government ehotU be called to the esidence taken in the course of this inquiry 7 awl they recommend that a royal com mission shall be appointed to proceed to Ceylon to ascertain what changes may be necessary fur the better government of that colony, unless same A sp should forthwith be token by the governmeut which may obviate the r tonally of further investigation. Now, without entering into the question whether they were justified is coming to that decision or not, on which of course it was imponibl.+ for him to give any cpinion, he could only state that the serious attention of the govern. ment would be s iren to the 'object, with the view of taking such steps as might be necessary with respect to all pers •os connected with the government of Ceylon whose character was in any way implicated by these t &&&&& ctions. S roe portion of the evidence had evidently been purl lord from a member of the committee and published, hut the committee thought the ividence ought not to be led up.n the table of the house at pr.sent. OLADS 10Nk: agreed with the ncble lord that it was impossible for the house to enter with icy satisfaction upon the inquiry. At the same time, he was not surprised at the strong expressions which had proceeded from the hon. member fur Nlontrose, bat the rrxeedings of the committee had been of such a nature that they could not be discussed now, yet they must infallibly be discussed at some future time. Mr. WORTLEY said that while the committee bad de termined not to report the eel levee to the house, they had •!etermined to recommend the consideration of that evidel,ce to the government. Mr. HAWES said, that he had the honour of being a m. tuber of the c untaittee—that he had submitted the eel. dence to the noble lord (Earl Grey), and that • copy of it had been alas ordered to be sent regularly to the to.ouial office. Mr. PAT! EN said he was thud that such an order was quit* metre!, to the rules of the house. (Hear, hear.) It ought have been done with the best intentions ; but he ap peal d to the right hon. gentleman in the chair, whether it was consiszeut with the rules of the house to issue such an order. The SPEAKER replied in the negative. The committee could not, accordieg to the rules of the house, refer he evi dence directly to the government. They might report it to the bone, or they might state that they did not think it proper it should be made public; but it could only reach the government through the medium of the house. (Hear.) Mr. BRIGHT said he had seen many reports presented to the house, bet lame, so unworthy en investigation of this serious character, as the one in question. (Hear, hear.) He was sati•fied that when they read the report, and considered the painful rumours which were ghat, the very nsture of the report itself would force them to call for the evidence. The whole thing tended to create grave sispicion, and he hoped the house would not be content until the evidence was laid upon the table. (Hear, hear.) The subject then dropped. NAVAL OFFICERS. _ . . that __ -- - --- . On the question the Speaker do leave the chair, in order that the house might go into Committee of Supply, Sir G. PECH ELL called the attention of the house to the cue of the retired rear-admirals,as also to the jedicial appoint ments of the vice-admirals and rear-admirals of the United Kingdom. The practice of the service, he contended, had operated unjustly towards the rear admirals who happi ned to be appointed to civil offices, In compelling them either to resign their app iintments, or oboe themselves upon the retired list. lie moved for some pagers bearing upon this subject. _ ....„.. _ . _ Sir F. BARING cpposed the motion, txplainlog that no recent cheap had taken pleas in the rule of service, and that the removal of the officer's name to the retired list was not compulsory upon his appointment to a civil office. but only upon his promotion, while retaining his appointment, to a higher rank in the service. Sir F. Baring added some ex planations upon the second point raised by the gallant mem ber touching the promotion of the vice and rear admirals of the fleet. Atter some remarks by Mr. Hums, Sir J. Duke, and Captain Berkeley, the motion wee put and negatival without • division. POOR-LAW REPORT. On the motion of Mr. H , to which Mr. BAINES of fered no oppositio•, some papers were ordered in referee,' to a statement in • recent report from the poor-law board, touching the alleged down-pulling of some house, near Read ing, which it was said had resulted in overcrowding the workhorse in that borough. THE EXHIBITION IN HYDR-PARK —THE AT- TORNEY-GENERAL'S OPINION. Colonel BIDTHOKP row b Bellths - nitention of the house, to the pro°. edings on the part albs:Attorney-General, relative to the erection of buildings in Ilyde-park for the proposed exhibition of MI. He regretted that he was pre vented from moving an address to the crown which it woe his intention to have d one , praying her ltd Testy to direct the Attorney-CienerM to give his, sanction to the motion Cr an inj n g° ol ._i".The. mot iO4l he was compelled to defer tiU Monday wnen • w•Juld bring ft on if be meld. The bun. and gallant wwiaber occupied much time in restating hie objeatlo•os to the exhibition. Ile rebuked the Com ' mt d join for their hasty and unwarranted proceedings; Attor.•ey General for refusing Ms signature to the application fur an injunction ; and the Muse of lCommons for peening a vote in opposition to the public voice and hostile to th e p u bli c interests. He called on tki; Attorney-Omni to exhibit the dignity of his *Mos by sa quisling in the dangled of the pablic, backed as that 'de n:and was b the opinions of such emi neet lawyers as * the Lind Chief Justice Campbell and Mr. Jostles Creswell (Hear, hear.) Bet if the hon, and leaned gentleman should not comply, why he(Col Sibthorp) hoped an address would be agreed cut, humbly calling .on her Majesty to direct the Attorney• General to do that which wee the wish of her gra• Seas Majesty's most dutiful subjoett—(hear, hear) — namely, that he should give his mutation to the information tray . not as injunction to restrain she erection of a building in Hyde-park for the purposes of the ezpositloa of 1951. f l o m r p b o ri r n ta g n ln t g t f h o a forward ard every the puobe question, eti bezartuee h The ATTORNEY GENERAL said that so far as he was personalty c oncerne d , h e felt indebted t o th e h on. and e thought memtw It member should be ready to exhibit the ground of his conduct on all occasion, tad also because, on this particular occasion, he wastlesirous of stating to the house the motives that actu ated him in the course he had adopted. (Hear, hear.) Bs- ' fore proceeding to advert to the subject, It was riaht of him testate that the course he had adopted en this occasion had been adopted solely on hie own respensibility. (Rem o bear.) He had not a'ked the opinion of, nor wea he advised by any person, neither bad he consulted with any miss previous to his taking that courses. He might have ban wrong in his judgment, but if he had any doubt on the matter, he would have consulted with those who wen eon:retool to advise him; but having no doubt u to the legality and propriety of the course which he felt bound to pence, he adopted it as the most proper and dignified enures, and was therefore solely responsible. (Hear, hear,) Of this there could be no doubt, that the signing of infer mations by 'he Attorney-General was not a matter of form, le was a matter in which he had to exercise great discretion —to read over the information., and to ascertain whether the case was or was not a proper one to be submitted to the attention of the court. (Hear, hear.) Now as to the motives that actuated him on the occasion, he hoped the house would permit him to say a few words. (Hear, hear.) The information was at the relation of 1 gentlemen residing near Hydepark, and it set forth Timken statutes that related to the woods and forests, and praying that an injunction fright be granted. It was essential that the heum should bear in mind what were the interests con netted wish the place in which this building wee proposed to be erected, and the erection of which it was sought to restrain by injunction based on the information, (Hear, hear.) The information alleged that the interests were twc m number, the interest of the crown and that of the public, the latter being divisible. (Hear, hear.) Now the right of the crown to Hyde-park, as to all the parks, was plain and simple, inasmuch as the parks were part. of the hereditary property of the crown. (lieu.) The crown possessed the fee simple, with the absolute power of doing with the pro perty whatever it thought fit, except gofer as its powers were mourned by the various acts that fettered the crown (rem grandee away that property from its successor., together with those acts that invested the Commissioners of Woods and Forests with the authority to manage the property and receive the fees accruing therefrom. (Hear.) Now it had been stated in the information that there rested no authority in the Commissioners of Woods and Fort ste to permit the erection of a building in Hyde Park; and that the statutes gave them no such authority. In one sense that was true. (t. Hear, hear," Ir. m Colonel Sibthorp ) The statutes gave them no authority against the crown, which had the absolute authority to pre vent the commissioners from erecting any ouch build lags as might interfere with the rights and enjoymeies of the crown; and it any such were attempted, this crown eoeld call on the Attorney-General to file an information et eirscia to restrain such proceeding. (Hear, hear ) But teat the Crown, with the Commissioners of Woods and Forests, had the power to erect a building in on; park they pleased, he had not the sltentest doubt. (lieu, hear ) They found a collection of barracks in St. James's Park, with vari.us water works and sundry erections in the other pasha, for which no act of parliament was necessary, nothing beyond the sign -manual of the Crown permitting the stencil of the work !ping necessary. (Hear, her.) There was the cottage in Windsor Path belt by G .erge IV. when r.gent ; and, as he had before stated, where the Crown sanctioned the exer cise of the powers vested in the comeni•oioners to erect a wek or building, no act of parliament ea, necessary. (Hear, hear) But this contemplathl erection would not irderfers with the rights of individuals; and even though it aid they would hay, their remedy inde f. thdent of the proceeding now under discussion. It had peen said that interference with the rights of the public, I, tar as related to their pleasuring in Hyde. park, had taken pl ice. lie ventured to say that, up in the best considerate n he could give the qusetion, so far as related to the legal point, the recreation and pleasure taken by the public stood on the same tooting in Hyde-park se iii the other parks, and consequently depended entirely on the pleasure of the Crown. It was manifest the Crown would never interfere with that recreation. But in a legal seise, except in ease where a fiat of way was established, he asserted the pleasure and recreation of the public in these parks ,ii pended on the will and pleasure of the Crown; and therefore the public might as well int-rfere to preen.' the closing of the park gates at a certain hour, or insist that a particular description of yekizle not now admissible should bi in future permitted to drive through, as to insist that the Crown and commissioners had not the power to erect this building. ( lieu, hear.) There was no common law right which legalised the enjoyment of the pubic on the property of any indisiluel. There certainly was a custom ; but that did ri 4 wend to the whole class of the community, though it did to certain branches. No act of parliament existed to legalise the public recreating them selves in the park.; ar.d in the absence of an act of parlia• meat, the only right the public could have should be in fl!. pect ef custom, which pre-supposed some pound by which they might be entitled as residing in a certain locality. H admitted there might be such a custom for the people of London and Westo.inster ; but even the rescinding of that custom would uot afford ground for an informat on, which was more in relation with the general public. But the proper mode in such a cue woul I he that tome of the inhabitants of London and Westmin ster should seek to enforce the right : and no Attorney-General could successfully resist them. He, there tore, should say that no refusal of his could prevent any such courts being taken ; but there was no allegation whatever as to the existence of say such tight by any class of the come muliity as was claimed. (Rear, hear) He had already stated that it the Commissioners of Wo ids and F..reets had undertaken the erection of this building without the assent of the crown, he, as Attorney •General, could apply on behalf Oche ertwn to have that erection stayed. (Hear, hear.) Now, hayloft read over the information and given the matter all the consideration and attention he could, it did appear to him that the relators in this case were endeavouring to stoke use of the name of the Attorney-General, not for the purpose of ben, Hung the public, but obtaining an advent tape for themselves over the property which they had been advised, and which they believed the courts of law of this country did not enable them to enforce in any other man. Der. (Hear, hear ) If such, then, were the ClSe, he asserted that the Attorney General who would permit his name to be used for such a pinpoint wool I have failed i i his duty to the Crewe and to the public, and deserve the severe censure of the House of Commons. (lieer, hear.) Had he con sidered his own ease and convenience, nothing would have been more easy than to give his name, as a matter of form, which course could not have prejudiced him, rot dee priced him of his office, nor p d his advancement is his profession. But the bouts must see that he should have been blind not to know that taking an opposite course, with a strong portion of the press engaged in the matter, would have brought down great vituperation and blam • upon him (Hear, hear.) Therefore, tt was because he heli, not in the justice of the c tune he had taken that he did take it ; and as long as he hod the honour to hold odic, he would, in the discharge of its duties, endeavour to do everything on his own responst• tidily, without throwing en the shoulders of others any blame or responsibility. (Hear, hear.) He would do his duty temperately but fearlessly; an I always act on what he onceived to honest and tight. (Cheers ) SUPPLY. The house then went into ecimmtitee of supply. On the vote of 1,342,4301. t, defray the land servic►s of r &gland and Ireland, Mr. HU ME said he shou'd admit that the army was now in a better position and condition than either the navy or ordnanc... He thought there was much to he done in regard to the im proved organisation of the army. However, be would not then eats r upon the , question. Looking at the state of the army, navy, and ordnance, and the state of our finances, he believed considerable retrenchment might be made without rendering either of these branches in the least degree less effective. He was of opinion that the estimates ought to be reduced to what they were in 1535. As re.tarded the army, he telt bound to say that the 'violates were rather creditable, looking at the relative expenses of the three branches. There was certainly much less ground of com plaints in the army, seeing the increased number of men employed, than in the other two departments of tho service. He had examined the returns sub mitted to the house and compared their several item,. The result of his opinion was that the army bore by tar the best comp►rison. He found the navy and ordnance estimates very different lode, d. There was an enormous increase for the last five years on the expenses for the preceding five years. In the ordnance department they were more than double what they had been. Ile should like to see the army as in other countries, when each regiment should t , ke their routine of duty abroad. It was not fair to give some regiments all the service abroad and a very small proportion of promotion at home He believed there might he redue tioas. Military men, of COMM. differed with him. en l if he was in the army himself Le might be disposed to he of their opinion, but rot having any personal interest in view, and look oh at the increase of taxation and the barthens on the country, ho thought great improvements migh , be effected in the services ge Ily. Mr E. MAULS said the hon. gentleman had stAtet) the opiuions he enterained upon those subjects hitm.ell. The committee up. stun had patiently considered t i .ot 'whole of the questions referred to by the hon. gentleto sn They had bestowed great care and attention upon them, and the house would very soon be in possession or s ij t h e ...name. adduced. although the committee might not he able to lay their report before the house this ',minor •, The government ' would give their best and must mete' cons ideration to the evidence. and they would be able or ~ t session to state th , it of inning, and the grounds upon w',,j e j j they proposed such alterations as they considered y could recommend, in con f 'me committee. " C ini ol t lne w l it O h th aA e T r r E rt itTo'IJN called the attention of the Secretary at War to to • charges to which non-commissioned alerts were liable Og their promotion and on obtaining good conduct badges or ',mortify ‘livtiuctions. He thought nob chargee of'oula be discontinued. Colonel DUNNS said no one more sincerely felt the necessity fur eircume.sy than he did. As the committee hail hard - eh — l; s n u o ll t r ec epo t. rtmed: qhmeitereocuoladcaubrartesdiu in fru t ra he any soldiers referred to by the boo. and aag ant mewl, • Mr. BRIGHT mid th re was one s • this vote to leach he wished to c II the -"t moment and th e S ecretery at War. tir allowance to nfilciating c l ergymen for p e ref 6 I service -17,5001 H e was not about to ohiset.t, men or the vote, hut ha thought it riot to stance connected with b ot h . He on.erved the: of bleasieg or emeeerating banners, for the a na , to large clew s i tinned, and he w as pinta d to 'tote regard to that p ract i ce. He believed ' give very gre at pa i n t t tt (bear, hear)—large bodies isonneeted a i ds t/ ehureh—(hear)—and disasters more t.p re • t Manner in which it WAll performed. he wished to call the atten•inn of the tient appeared in the l'reemnris „kr wi l of March, IMO, upon the occasion of the present coloure to the 4.5 th Regiment, in Pteeeniz perk, ceremony ef consensua l was performed by ths, Hen, chaplain to the arena, who wee robe canonicals What he (Mr. Bright) wished to e i to was the prayer which, in his opkion, wa s to! , th to such an would occagon, and he natured to s a y t i t at houee be the newprepared to def en d it la it could be p spa rove per. d to le the ho should like to kno w use and the ca . good object could b e e ff ected by such a cans, necessary that petitions should be put up ti should have th em i n t h e i r pantie service s e n d voted to public worship, hot they should cot Sure Nt.ime and Attributes in such outran described. He had heard of similaroccurrenciel and other pieces, but he the ugi.t that to wilt' h attention was the very wont they could losse a prayer, not only not religku., tat upon the said •mphatically, it wax as tlasphemou• a had been offered i n th e fen of Heave n , ' Mr. F. MAUL': said h, did no • tni o k thy feared to 1 1 th e hon, and gallant nisei were so very great after all whe n i t dered they w, re made with an inerels. • With r. gard to the q aestion of married soldier all in his power to mike arrangeme n e s i n th .. the Ordnance D -pertinent had b.". mo at an him, so as to separate as far as possible the single. He believed that was _attic I n .,. • rent, and he did not find sow mazy eubiect as there were. With regard to the hold beiges's, there were many cues hold brigade and the army generally we e , it and in the household brigade they town I.t smell allowance to pay the solicitor. There detsehed bodies of the army, that they c. solicitors to each of them. • Th.rn, with r., charge, the commending officer put at th. certificate the character of the man. And himself for one moment to the questi .n friend behind him • Mr. Bright) bad that the queen in of the consecration regiment was one which must oeicion. It was a custom which tae down in the army from time immemorial, tics wh 'lane were presented t sanction the present stion by invoking on blessing of the Almighty 00.1. (Cheer* part he could see nothing infective in th nothing sup • 'ow in it. (Caere.) He might not he smeary, in order to ensure the attachment and Of clone,. regard .A I fought under them ; but the *oldies' wen I worse for hearing that Messing solicited. the prayer which hie hon. triad had read. t if this observance was to be practised at could liven to that prayer, he did not se. could be found fault with, 1144 he s.w co • could well be improved. (Hear, hear ) Captain BOLDERO situ be we. el .d th gallant friend had nought forward the eut , t duct pay. He himself knew of the cue of had fon stripe!' for good conduct, and who I coent an adation of 41. a day to his psy, tined remaiaing as ho was than berg r. With regard to what fell from the o n. rn• cheater, he (Captain liAden)) !hart— •O• read a very appropri et.- one. The hon. tc , regiments, as if he were es conversant with wt h the loom and the opioninag•nny o' 5I n were much attached to the colour' of their would defend them at the risk of their I than they should all into improper hand , known to burn them and eat the sates. Mr F. MAC LE explained, with rozei duct pay, that a corporal's pay was 1. I ! was It 101. a day, and the sirjeant woe: was entitled to a higher pension. Sir H. WlLLOCCitilill. who was A.l made some observed.ei s regardirg t`.. prop peals piil by the East India , 'z:•irty rusts Mr. HGMB laid the agreenuct th o shout! take upon itself the poy of etith day it embarked to the day it re'utt.- 1. paid 60,0001. a year tow er& the p . cs. Mr. COBDEN was quite sure toot to- E puny did not psy their fair proporti ;0 u: soldiers in their employ. Take, for ice nrc• The out.pensionere of Chelsea alone cost At this moment nearly one-flfth ef the arm and if the company were charged one-fifth of the pension list would be 200,0001. a ye, the officers. Mr. WAKLEY asked the Secretary at quiries hsci been made or steps tak-u wi sdopti us of the knapsack assented by Mr. Be was admitted to ne much superior to thst n' Mr. F, MAI:LE replied that ha at!e , drawn to it. It did not, however, rest wit the consmander-in-chid. Mr. WAKLEY.—Iiss it ben broutht of the conansntlevin-chief. Mr. F. MALILE.—It has been lirought of the adjutant.gec ersl Th. vote was then agreed tn. The next vote was b1.91t3/., per: ^f :Se th• charge for staMoilfeers at boot and 3hro 02 the next vote for 46,13341., part to the for the princioal otfic.re of the pubdic de a. Lolonel CHATTERION called attetttt salaries paid to the clerks, several h•vint • a year. Tot extminer of army , ICC)lnts and the first clerk 1,0001.; an t there w claw with salaries of trim it 00:. to • move that these salaries be reduced. t• gutter required the c meideration of tee Mr. F. MAULE said these reutlim.n offices. The department alluded to mina: cial department of the army. includlnt e millions per annum. Toe mra why mtaet through a lung life, from the leweit . well entitled to the salaries thee re:,:v 1. 3 great injustice to attempt to seduce :a• m. The vete was agreed to. 8.8931. (put of 16,8954.), the etarre 'ft!: College. Mr. F. MAI. LE, In newer toe ant 4: said th d 4001 a year was given to :he t.r fag the annual examinations of the ; r. Mr. 8. HERBERT cunplato.d :re , • delusive, and led to a false yarn, •-. as the students defrayed the e xpense of tr Mr. F. WAVLE said that the apprort.t the arose estimates to appear l that : Mr. 111.:ME chouibt dui the - entre: w ICC •Ut1...1. After a few words from Lnd J. Mince 13, , rt. and Mr. Henley. Mr. F. MAULE said the whole of the college were paid um.) the public esehequer. and . was therefore reopmnble fur toe iipenditure. The rote WIWI then afreed ta, u ext the 'Abair; 9.o7l(part of 18,071.1 for the ltiyal Military and Hibernian &Moo!. THE YEOMINEY. The T3O 51.N0:.) for charge of Tolman? corps. • Od this vote Mr. II BERKELEY said he should oppose it, as it was mainly for the support of yeomanry corps, which he coati . d red unpopular ma umunisitutional. It e knew that he laboured under great dissavanture, as there wt. a troop and almost a &qua& m of yeomanry in that hum, bland.; with noble indignation using any :Walt an this mimicry " the pomp and circumstsu eof war." (Laughter 1 ll: belonged to no pence association or financial reform sce,•ty, though he respected thou who did. lie meant no Ileftt to the festal( army: but he oplosed this vote bee sve the force did lilt fulfil its intoned Vet. ('hey were de signed to maintain the law,and keep the peace, and protect the lives and properties of her Majesty's litotes. The yeomanry ' had never adequately lfilled that purpose in the put, nor did they promise to fu do it in future. No ormed force could be of any utility umlaut it WAS strictly amenable to discipline, and to tho government, however cotistiiuted. For • long series of years the yeomanry had been inau:,:r denote and disobedient ; and as they avowed their intent. to pursue that coulee, they were unfit longer to be tr. , : with the guardians'aip of the public peace. Looking for the last 3 0 Mrs to a few of the principal events in erh A the yeomanry Sad bun engaged, it would be seen d Biel , were in the habit of reasoning upon their order , .7.. [ stead of Carrying them out. At the coronation of U. IV., the ' , limn Consort having returned from th: nest, esd announced her intention of taking in the. ceremony, there was great excitement. A". a disr,,sition to ri it. Am o ng st other troop.ll 704ar ,nry were called out, and behaved after tit er'.' (12'.0ter)—they proceeded to reason and deb ite up.ntt tn o' den, inste td 01 carrying sheen out as they ought. It• decided that the queen was an ill-used woman keeping the peace, they rode about cheering for tt the •;.1 ,. . and Alderman Wood." (Laughter.) It was unni:•••• to point out the Bang. r of this conduct, and the ine:-• position in which it placid the regular 'rope, an dot was afforded in tile Bristol riots, when the trivet Ow for " King William and Reform," and 'he wil'd we` death of Colonel Ureteral. At the coronation no tat t: followed, but a number of windows were smashed ing to the supporters of o.[orge the Fourth. ir at Manchester, anodise instance of yeomanry ordination occurred, at what was coustuottle the " Peterloo musacre," when, ha ing called on to .. an unarmed mob of both sexes. including a nunoc : , children, the yeomanry conducted themselves bintall, L the results were matter of history. In this ease the ,! given the yeomanry were in C.XIIOIIIIICC with their t.:• titans. They hail been called on to .li‘perie a assembled to petition for reform and cheap bread —o attack on the pockets of the yeomanry. At the of of Or orp the Fourth their sympathies were with the tr and the result was just the opposite. 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