The Express. — London, England, 1865-04-28 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—ThumaDay, Aran. 27. Their lordships met yenewity Puking ler the lot time sitar the Easter pease. the Loan Csixturtuua taking hie seat oa the woolsack at 5 oAdock. Lcrd HAVENSWORTH presented a petition from Dar ham, complaining of the damage done to property by doge, sad prayiag for en Paetmeat by which the careen of the dogs would be made liable for snob damage. THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT LINCOLN. Fort RUSSELL—My Lords,—l beg to give totes that on Monday next I shall move that an humble addrees be pre sented to the wows, expressive of sor ow and indignation at the assassination of the President of the United States, and praying her Majesty to poesy that expression of feel ing to the government of the United Swum Thu will be .he substation of the motion, though the precise terns will be different. The Earl of DERRY—I hope that the noble earl arid her Majesty's government have taken pains to smoothies that there is nothing unusual—l do not say napreordeeted, because the cireumatanoes are almost unpreeedested—l I hope they have ta ken p ains to ascertain that there is nothing in the form of the motion which as reader it in the slightest degree doubtful that a unanimous assent will be given by the howe to the motion when it is proposed. (Hear, hear.) With regard to the substance of the motion, I am quite certain that the expression of sorrow and indig nation at the atrocious wit which has bees committed in the United States will not only meet with the ntiasiceous assent of your loedships' house, but will represent the °Oak& of every man, woman, and child is her Majesty's dominion'. (Cheers.) Eon RUSaF.LL—The sage earl in quite correct in saying Wit the circumstance. are happily unprecedented, but I think there will be nothing in the form of the motion to which any objection can be taken. DLSTRIUT CHURCH TITHES BILL. The Duke of MAILLIK)ROUGH, in moving the second reading of this bill, stated that the object w... to misfile the incumbents of district parishes, which had been formed under existing acts, to exchange any portion of their existing endow:Foote, whether in the form of land or of money, for any tithes which might arias within their limits. The bill was read a seeped time. IMPRISONMENT OF BRSSINIA. ITIsH SUBJECTS IN ABY Lord CHELMSFORD ore in pursuance of notice "to call the attention of the house to the imprieoemeet sad severe treatment to which a British consul sod other British subjects have been exposed by the orders of the Emperor of Abyssinia ; to ask the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what steps have been taken to relieve our fellow-ceniutry men from the severities to which they have been subjected, and to which, it is believed they are still &object ; and to move for papers." His lordship commenced by referring to the amicable nature of the intercourse which the late Consul Plowden acrid on with the King of Abyssinia up to the period of his death, when be was succeeded by Consul Cameron. In the latter part of 188'2, he said, the king renewed a project of an embassy to this country and to France, and wrote an autograph letter to her Majesty, which be entrusted to Captain Cameron. That latter arrived in this country in February, 1863. Not long after Captain Cameron, who had assisted the king on a war expedition, received an order from the consul - general to return to him port at Marsowah. The fact that no reply was sent to the autograph letter increased the ill-feeling thus occasioned, and in November. 1863, Mr. Stere ' an ex *silent missionary from this country, was be and rimmed, and a few days after all the Europeans in Abyssinia, including several other minionartee and Consul Camaro., were carried to prison and loaded with chains weighing from lfelbs. to 2//tbs. After this the prisoners were tried by • great conical of grandee.. Stern, and another mierionary named &menthe', were charged with having used offensive expressions against the sovereign. Some of the grandees thought they ought to be pet to death ; but instead of this they were sent to prison, where they were chained to an Abyssinian day and night. Am if to aggravate their position, there arrived at this june. turn an official letter from England, which, icstead of being as answer to the autograph letter of the king to her Majesty, contained an order for Captain Cameron to return to his poet at klareowah. In • letter which Captious Cameron costrived to get conveyed to Maaeowah from his prison, and dated Goodar,l4o of Febniary ,lB64 . he mid, "Myself, Stern, Rosenthal, Cairns, Bards], and M ' Kilvie are all in chains here so release till a civil answer to the king's letter." The most natural step would have been to seed some peeeon to demand the release of the primers ; but her Majesty's government seemed to have been afraid that ass, person who might be sent would share the fate of the consul, and be imprisoned. la the month of June, 1864, a letter from the Queen wee sent in reply to the autograph letter of the King of Abyssinia. U it were right to send it then it would have been right to send it earlier. No one could doubt that if an Englishman of rank bad been the bower of that letter it would have led to the immediate release of the unfortunate prisoners—(hear)—but instead of that it was forwarded toe Mr. Remain, an Asiatic gantlet:nee, who had been assistant to the roperinteedent at Aden, and the result was that it had never been received by the king. Under the circumstances, he thought he was entitled to ask the noble earl for explanations as to the mine which had been pursued. He would sot move for papers until he had ascertained what papers the noble earl would be disposed to grant. Earl RUSSELL said he felt some difficulty in addressing their lordships es ibis subject, because it was obvious that anything said In that house which might give offence to the King of Abyeeinia would expose Consul Cameron sod the other prisoners to greater hardship. tbaa they had suffered. He would shortly refer to the chief circumstances connected with this question. The late Ooneul Plowden was treated with great eornideration by the King of Abyssinia, and when he died his Majesty paid the greatest reepect to his remains. Hi. summer, Oemml Cameron, west to convey pre sents to the king, and a letter from her Majesty thanking him for his conduct towards Consul Plowden ; but at the mime time the consul's proper plaos was at Maanowah, and he would have returned there had be not been violently interrupted on his journey. The noble lord seemed to think that when the King had written an autograph letter to the Queen it would have been • very simple matter to answer it civilly at osce, Lod to send out some person to deliver the reply. But many difficulties stood in the way. The letter of the Ring of Abyssinia asked permission to send an embassy to this country. The state of Abyssinia was unsettled at that time, and it had become more unsettled since. The king uomplaioad that the Turks and Egyptians encroached on his . territory, and he wanted the English and Fresch to inter fere and take part in his wars—a course which • her Majesty's government thought by no means dem ' table. It became_ , therefore, matter for consideration what answer should be given, and the qusetioe blll oce of Eastern policy, the Secret a ry of State for India h ad to be consulted before any answer was returned. It appeared that in the meantime the King of Abyssinia had taken great offence at the conduct of some miasioneriee. On this fact being officially communicated to her Majesty's government, - her Majesty was advised to forward a letter to the King, . replying to certain complaints made, and expressing regret at the occasion of them. The noble lord seemed to think that Mr. RISBIM was not a proper penon b. I charged with this duty. He was a man of consider ' able experience and importance in the service ; and - when be (Fed Russell) found that be held the *See of first assistant-secretary to the Political Resident at Aden, he thought no better person could be selected to execute this mission. Mr. Relearn wee accord • ingly sent with this letter of her Majesty, and the King of Abyssinia was informed that he wee the bearer of a letter from the Queen of England. That was In August, 1864. By the last accounts it did not appear that the King of Abyssinia had actually received that letter. It was very difficult to publish the informatics , communicated by per sons residing in the territory without exposing them to con siderable danger. He might, however, state that, according to the moat recent information received from that country, it appeared that the chains were taken off the arms and legs of the consul, and that he was not fastened to any other person. The King of Abyssinia had been all this time engaged in a war with some of hie own people who were in rebellion against Lim, and with some of the neighbouring chief. ' • be bad left his capital In consequence of this war, and it was said that as sconce b ete came back he . would most probably take s to liberate the missionaries. No doubt endeavours had been ire . queetly made to excite the mind of the King of I Abyesiala against certain persona, sometimes English and sometimes French subjects. The king was, in fact, told , that if thew prisoners were liberated no reparation would I be required. There was, however, no justification for the conduct of the King cd Abyssinia. Some months ago it was suggested that some person Is official uniform should be employed to demand the release of the prisoners ; but be (Earl Russell) must confess that he was by no means mo guls. as to the efficacy of much a measure. He believed that the real grimiest. , felt by the King of Abyssinia was the fact that no aid bed been given by this country to his Majesty while he was engaged in the ware to which he had alluded. The government of her Majesty had used all the memo in their power to propos the release of the prisoners. Some poems thought that if we sent out a magnificent mission with primate to the king, it would be the means of attaining their object mad necunng the respect of the people ; but to him it appeared that that would be like offering a reward for the imprisonment of a consul. The matter was a very difficult one to deal with, and it had been considered with great care by the Foreign ofd's, and they had pursued the courts which they deemed v best in reference to the end in view. : Their lordshipeadjourned at 10 minutes past 6. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TurasDAY, APRIL 27. The ULM= took t/a• chair at 4 o'olock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. I The followini bills wen road • third time and mewed Bucklsstleigb,Totnes. and South Devon Railway ; Edgware, Bigligate, and London Railway ; Glaugow and South Weston) "Railway fOlty of Glargow Union) ; Great Torrington R ea d s ; Lomb" Eilsekwall, and 11i1ha11 Eximnioe Bail way ; Soottieh North Easton aiikwiar Snoningdale and Cambridge Town Railway ; and Wl:deliver Junction Railway Bills. The following bills ware considered mid ordered to lie WU tie labia :—Galway Want Halifax Extension and AL THE EtFRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, APRIL 28, 1865. ; sad Leedom and Worcester, mid South W P.oilway Bilk. Shortly before half-peat 4 the Obriesellor of the Ex cheqear astered the lme,.•ad was reesived with cheers from the minhaerial sid e " of the house. ASSAPHINATION OF PILISIDENT lOOLN. ffik G. GREY Nee nod asid,—Sir, in order to give the home en epportuoity of expeessing the feeling whisk I am we every member of it satertaiss, sod which I omit mid pervade; the whole artistry, with referees to the mmimination of the President of the United Statee,l wish I to give notice on the pert of my motile friend at the head of the government, that on Moe* next he will move an humble address to her Majesty, expressing the feel btp of sorrow and indignation with which this hous e Imo heard of the perpetralke of that atrocious mime --(Grim of "bear, hem ")—and their sympathy with Me government and people of the United Statee, tied humbly praying her Majesty, in oommtinicating to the government of the United States, her coodolenoe in this matter, to convey at the NMI time an expression of deep feel* on the pert of this hones. (Cheers.) THE ARMAMENT OF THE ACHILLES. Mr. H. BAILLIE naked the Secretary to the Admiralty whether it was true that the Achilles, of 6,100 tone burden, arid constructed to carry 40 gums, was only able to carry 90, and those only 100-pounder Somerset goes ; Lod, if it wee so, whether he thought that • ratkfactor7 result of the first attempt of the Admiralty to build iron ships. Lord C. PAGET replied that it was quite true that from the increased weight of armour that bad been put oa the Achilles sines she was first designed bar armament had been reduced from 60 to 20 guns, but from the increased power of those rune he had no hesitation in saying that the alteration was satisfactory. THE REGISTERING OF CROWN DEBTS. Mr. HADFIELD asked the AttorneyGeniwal whether he intended to bring in • bill to amend the law respecting the registering of crown debts, so es to reader it unnecessary for boos Ede purchasers of real estates to make searches, at considerable expense, before they can safely complete pur chases from persons wh) are the apparent owners thereof. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the matter was trader consideratioo, bat he was sot at present prepared to say when a bill would be brought in for the purpose alluded to in the question or the boo. member. THE CASE OF MARY GREEN. ice 500000._ wax ye, year with the expenditure of the year, a very simple and satisfactory openitioe. The expenditure, aceording to the vecoutte to March 31, 1866, was 66,462,0001., and the revalue for the year ending upon the same day was 70,313,0001., showing • surplus of reveaue over expendi ture, according to the usual and established method of calculation, of 3,851,0001. (Hear, bear.) If, how ever, we take into view, as perha ps we ought to take into view, end r the sheet which I have just laid upon the table does take into view, the additional expenditure upon fortifications, which has been provided for in an especial manner by the creation of parliamentary annuities, we must then add a sum of 620,0001. to the expenditure which hie bees incurred, rais ing it to 67,082,0001., and deducting that from the revenue as 1 here stated it, the surplus of revenue over charge upon the least favourable 'bowing will amountto3,tll,ooo4 Upon paring to another branch of the subject, end oomperiog the rennet with the estimates of the year the molt has also been a malefactor on. The revenue which 1 estimated on the 7th Apnl, 1864, was 67,128,0001.; the actual revenue has not been less than 70.313,0004, showing a surplus brood the estimate of 3,185,0001.. and that surplus extend" I may may, to every material head of the avenue—it extends to the miscellaneous receipts (but the difference on that head has little to do with the &duel condition of the country) —it runs through the customs, excise, income tax, stamps. and Poet-office. The most extraordinary of these augmen tations to the revenue as compared with the es timate is in the customs, which shows an ex am of 752,0001. over the estimate, and in the cue of the excise, which shows an excise of 1,538,0001. In the instance of customs there has been a rather general Wanes. The only important article of decrease has beau one epee which I for one invariably view • large decrease with grist satisfaction, 1 mean the duty received opoo the importation of foreign corn. The revenue from foreign oorn—tbe small-, nets of which is the test of the greatness end abundance of the home supply—has clamored upon the year just ex pired, as compared with the one preceding, by no lees & sum than 184,0004 The wine duty has incresseel by 75,0001., and it appears to have kept up a steady and sufileieet Increase from year to year. But the most important item, end upon which the greatest interest will be felt, is, of course, the article of eager, upon inieh parliament operated by legislation bet year. The legislation of last year was reckoned to give to the consumers of sugar a relief to the extent of 1,719,0001. That relief, to be per. Welly compensated by a recovery from consumption, it woe sinned would entail upon thee 'chequer sloes of 1,390,0001. Bat the circumstances have been favourable, and prices have fallen in sugar in combination with the reduced duty, sad the actual loss has only been about 926,0004, showing a recovery from increased consumption of no less that 404,0001. beyond the recovery which Iliad calculated in tbe estimate. (Hear, hear.) If next we look to the remark able case of the excise, the committee will be struck by ea excess of receipt as great as ooe end a half million above the estimate. It will be well if the committee shall always bear in mind that on new element of un certainty has been lately introduced into the revenue of excise as a result of the cheap which, for all important ropers, was beneficial and rea sonable-1 mean in the malt credit, the shortening of those credits, and the receiving of the duties within the year In which those charges are incurred. In former times they were not included in the current year ; and large portions of the malt duties which were a subject of revenue, were not collected for a long period afterwards. (Hear, hear.) The sum that 1 have referred to of lb million in the original proposal has led to the geoend reduction of items under the head of excise, but the two important items in which the mass of the "crease has occurred ere malt end British spirits. The malt duty was estimated at 5,830,0001., and it produced 6,377, 000 /., showing en excess of 577,0001. The dry on Bette!) spirits wee estimated et 9,660,0001., and it yielded 10,173,0001., being en isomer beyond the estimate of 523,0004 The increase in the spirit duty, not only on the estimate, bat on the proceeds of the preceding year is 432,0001. under the bead of British spirits end 309,0004 under the head of spirits im ported from abroad, making eltogether a total "- were in the receipts of the Exchequer from spirits of 741,0004 within the year. Now, looking at the com parison between the revenue of the year and that of the year preceding, we had estimated a 1061 of 3,000,0004, bat in lien of that loss we have a small gale which, secordieg as it is stated, may be put at 106,0001., or 147,0001. in favour of the year 1864-.5 as compared with 1863-4. (Cheers.) That is not very materiel or significant, bat what is material end Ought:est. and what I am desirous of bringing liner the notice of the committee, inasmuch as it would have an important bearing on the gradual growth sod increase of the revenue of the country, is a matter which I onset state with mathematical exacters, inasmuch as the state ments which are made in the table* of the Board of Trade with regard to the gain of new taxes and the loss by the repeal of old ones partake"a cerbsia degree of the nature of estimates. Still I do rot think that, comparing one period with another, there is much appre beano° of serious error, and for the information of the committee I have endeavoured to estimate the annual rate of growth of the revenue of the country at those periods. I begin with 11340, and come down to 1&52, the year imme diately preceding the difficulties with Russia smiths out break of the Crimean war, which occurred before the close of the next financial year. I take the revenue of the first period and compare it with the revenue of the last, and I find the difference between them. I then take the taxes repealed and the taxes imposed, sad strike the balance, adding the balance to the Improvement of the revenue. I thus And the true meson" of the improvement of the revenue, supposing the sources of mean to continue the same. That Is the true maxim of the progress in the pro ductive powers of the country es between 1840 and 1852. The taxes imposed daring that time amounted to 6,285,0001., and the taxes reduced were 13,597.0001., showing a baboon of taxes reduced of 7,312,0001. During the same period the revenue, after deduct"( the Item miscellaneous, showed an improvement of 5,051,000/. Adding thew two sumo to gether, I obtain 12,363,0001., 'bowing that between 1840' and 1852 the revenue of the country bad grown—assuming the growth of the sources to have ben the same, had in-, creased et the rate of 1,0311,0001. year. (Hest, hear.)' I then take the period of the Russian wet, coding before the considerable mares of expenditure in 1859. From 1853 to 1859—1 shall not trouble the committee with details—the balance of taxes repealed over those imposed was only • million, and the improvement of the revenue six Or SST= millions : and as nearly as a calculation as be merle, from 1853 to 1869 the average growth of the income of the country was 1,240,0004 instead of 1,030,0304 I think the next period, of 18.59 to 1865, the time et which I lave now the loner to address the committee, • period during which very large chooses took place in the banned taxes repealed over taxes imposed. That balance amounted to 6,137,0004, and adding to that the taxes repealed in 1858, but which did not take effect uotillBs9-60, and deducting certain trio repealed in 1864, but which only take effect" 18656, the reel and tale balance will then be found to be, of taxes reduced, 6,713,0004 At the same time there was en In crease in the revenue of 3,968,0004, and the rate of the annual growth of income from the same sources for this period having been in the first 1,030 000/., and in the snood 1,240,0001., showed for the th i r d period an snarl growth of 1,780,000/. (Haar, beer.) Now, sir, having "- presented a etre of Mop which is evidently satisfactory, and hearing testimony to the increase of power and vigour in the country, I must of course remind the committee that this annual growth is not a growth which can at any time be safely ailed on for a single year, because at any time not only one extraordinary calamity, but the ordinary calamity of a bad harvest might reduce this growth, or cause it to disappear altagether. As regards the state of the balances : on the 31st March, 1864, they were 7,352,0004, and on 31st March, 1865, they were 7,690,0001, showing an increase of 343,000/, The advances for public purpcees haver late become a drain, from cares which, however, will cease te operate. I anode to the Lancashire loan. The 'deans.' were 2,900,000/., and the errs of miners aver repayments amounted to 303,0001. The amount of debt paid off was—Exchequer Bonds, 300,0001. • Exchequer Bills, 2,100,0001. • stock t purebred, 939,0001. • capitol redeemed from ; ter ; annuities, 2:060,0004, giving a t o t a l. ga b. ject to deductions for fortifiettioes to the angst of 726,0004, of 4,614,0001. I meat now lake blame to myself for never having before stated to the committee the absolute rootlet of Vaier. We are indebted to the statistical department of the Beard of Trade for "bowies us die amount of the usticeal debt. The ordinary practice has been merely to take the landed and unfunded debt, bet to Mike DO ailos•SOC• for terminable annuities. Bat the retinal deperteont has Digitalized the among et the terminable annuities, and I have their value up to the 21st of last birch. The effect is to make the bt somewhat larger. The total of the debt of de the country oellemous aivrt service, 7,650,000 L That fi gure is set yet fixed with predates, bat it assort vary muck oak way dr, -another, and I may hope that it is su ffi cient for the charges we shall ask the home to sanction. The total of the hgures is 66,139,0001., or exactly 1,110,0001. less than the estimates laid ois the table of the holm ' sod voted by the house in 1864 . 5. (Hear, hear.) The estimate for the ninon of the coming year is as follows :—Customs, ; ?2,775,0001. eras, 19,030,0001. In that animate as allowance ia rude—a ressonsble and prudent allowance— for a considerable reduction from she receipts we have bad' this year in the article of malt. Stamps, 9,560,0001. • sage, 3,350,0001.; income tax, 7.800,0001. • Post-ofliore, 4,250,0001. ; crown lands, 315,0001. irderellanesue, 2,650,0091. • China indemnity, 450,0001 . I may atatethat node. tbs gird of miscellaneous receipts which will eons to our credit this year are included several sums that are mentioned in the first pap of the army estimates for the year, sod that are them taboo credit for as forming a virtual reduction of army theses. They will be virtually reductions in the army charges, because the items come back to the credit ads of the account as well as go out at the debit side. They are I chiefly sonnected with payments for army mares, either from lodia or from the colonies. The estimated OMNI according to the figures 1 have taken, is 70,170,0001. ThZ estimated charge is 66,139,0001., showing a probable= of noise over eharp of 4,031,000/., or above four sterling. (Carrs.) Now, sir, I cone to the difficult quo tire of the disposal of the surplus. (Cheers.) 1 will tintl of all mention changes that snot some value to those they may affect in the general conduct of kenos ; but changes which it will not bo memory for me to takeinto account as bearing upon the future balance of income and expenditure, because they were of too insigaificant a character, and became they may also Deimos one another. It is with regard to the duty on the transfer of share r = mantes to make a change to as to enable potties seas l preoieely to adjust to the amount of transaction the sum they may pay upon it, rather than, as now, making two conveyances instead of one in order to effect a small swiss.' That is to be done in two forms. It is proposed that se 1 anomaly shell be removed with regard to stamp duty on scrip certificatee, and receipt, upon them. At present the l stamp duty does not apply where the loan or compasy, l though made in England, is foreign, but it applies to all domestic transactions, and although I am certainly apposed to the protection of the Englishman spine the foreigner, I am equally opposed, if one can merge it, to the promotion of the foregoer against the Englishman. (Laughter.) It appears to me that if • loan is raised for foreign purposes in the country the transaction connected with such loan ought to be subject to the tame charge ea if it were raised for domestic purposes. Application has been made, which I think is a proper one, to the effect that the stamp on the letting of small tenements far periods lass than • year should be reduced. It is not a very burden eons stamp at the present moment, so far as the paying of the coin wield convey an idea, because it only amounts to 6d., bat whea it is emaidered that in many places booms are let for a week, a fortnight, or a month at 2s. 6d., 3a., or Is. 6d. a week, that forme a sensible tax, and has • certain measurable effect in deterring people front the us. of printed inextunents. Therefore we propose to reduce that stamp to Id. (Hear, hear.) The tax upon amines menu, which at the present day Is levied on a minimum of 501., we propose to reduce by a scale downwards, no that property amounting to five pounds, instead of paying the minimum tax of 2s. 6d. shall pay a proportionate duty of threepence and won up wards. We propose to give certain relief to gentlemen who are subject at present to an anomaly which I am surprised should have arises. Special pleaders and convoyamars ars now liable to pay is general the MEN duties as attorneys and solicitors, but the latter have a very fair Wetmore of half duties for the first three years, while special and conveyancers have not. We togive tin benefit of that partial remissiou. ( tea.) We doll come to more extensive subjects by and by. We = In some newer§ to reduce stamps oil ecclesiastical where they )appear so high as to form • very seem harden, or to prevent the use of the instrument to whisk they apply. We propose to make a change with regard to the law of ohartorpartios, which at preient is in a very unsatisfactory state, and it is a matter of considerable interest to gentlemen muscatel with matey ports, panics/a* in the sorb of England. At pre sent the duty on • rharterparty is ss. Ws propose to re duos it to 6d subject to a condition that it should be drawn on a printed form and on stamped paper - for we think it hater to have a sixpeany duty sawed biller sad get it, white we expect to do, than to ham a is. duty, which in very few instances we are so lodinate as to got (A laugh.) There are oleo some cheeps with regard to po licies for marina insurances—one rs, that policies homed abroad are not to be recovered unless brought home te be I stamped within a certain time ; mother is, that the Emit , of time premed by the alteratios of alts law last yeas an s to ma ri ne mattrances is to be removed, ea it has been found burdensome. Another is, that the rata of duty is to be ra dioed on what are called time policies in marine teammate. The rate of duty ie to he altered in their favour. Ludy, • change is to be made with a view of effecting a more equitable arranputeot in the stamp duties on newsman gum by certain companies for three purpose, two of white hang together very well, but the analogy is net se conspicuous in the third. One is the same= urea accidental death, mother on permed in jury, and the third, insurances for plate gees. These three are substantially alike, and the duty requires some qualification in order to brim/ them into barmooises rod consistent application. Now az, pane majors ens mos. (Laughter.) I come to t he great subject which has attracted the attention of the home os an interesting eves lag's debate during the present year, viz, the malt duty. (Loud erica of " Hear. hear.") Sir, OD that evening hot Majesty's government ezpressod, through my right hon. friend the President of the Board of Trade, their sense of the groat importance of that question, sad their convictice that at any rata, whether they might he sanguine or not as to the result, it required careful and labodoss ocosidan tion at their hands, and that they were bound to meet the desires that had been expremed, or else to eats fully and clearly the masons which prevented them from gratify* these desire in race a manner if it were passible as totareveg, if sot satiefactim, at all one* in some degree, conviction to the minds of those who might hoer them. Now, in ap proacg the ocenderatioa of this very important ciLsties, 1 would begin with deprecating an t which is oftsa mad in rospsat to It. It is °onion y stated, in all yew logialatios you have done nothing far the ohm of apse twists. (" Hear, hoar," from the Opposition.) Now, eim I should like to know what ia the chins for which we lain done anything. In my opinion the most marked of all the eharsetaristies of torbaseantary legislation in no* yeam has bees this, that we ham been endeavoring to existed, ourselves from the vicious habit of looking to the fate nest of dams--(ohosre)—.and to egret* for the Iner rase of the country. (Cheers.) 1 know, indeed, that there are claws whom we an supposed to have injured. I know that there are coostituson is the country where our friends have suffered, WINDS those who are disposed to place confidence in the government have been rejected, simply on the pond that the proposals ad the governm®R concsived in the interest of the public. have been injurious to the interest of agnenlture. But I want to know what is the case in which, during this parte. mem, we have salted parliament to sunned.., or parliament has eonesatad to rereads: the revenue of the country, which is public property. in any other interest than the broad and comprehensive newest ,of the sates at large i tbet ole trimi lonefit ef Sir' I is a . re • eof the Power order not merely Involving at the very outset a trim* of duty to the nation, whose trustees we am without distinction of climes. bat is point of fact conveying far lets a benefit of ultimate advantage even to the favoured ohms than that which they might desire from wise legislation impartially applied and spend over tho whole seem*. (Hear.) lam bound to say I thiak if there is my proposal we have mode which at all 'avows of a in for the interest of elan--I will not say it was es =fair one—but I will say the mse was very peculiar, and I think it is &proposal for which you, air, are partially responsible, altWeift we are glad to nit , mately take or share of aloe rap DAM', DI mewing the pores of hops from the duty to which they wore sub j• Ci. (Lao!lihter4 I proceed to decuse, with the per mesioa of the ooseinlttes, this important of the ma4a r y, and Bret, 1 cossidm the thet is made in to the amount of charge which the malt duty oats on the consumes of beer. It is said, and maid that although the malt cloak, only ' 6,0t,a1. into the Excquer, ye the OM of the ' duty to the consumer is 39,000,0004 I their even die tisgaished 'asthma is this Dims love elaborately AGSM, bees this I:DOWN iSCIFISOD is km. - Perot future from &breed. [An Hoe. liftmen Raga ?) Bags are Sanded, bat I do not distinguish between rags and other materials for paper. The rap faun °sly a small proportion of the whale. Raw vegetable product is, I t hink, by far the largest part. But then is • remarkable fact, that such has been the *dements of the stimulus Igiven to the search for new materials, that the owner of cotton waste is now reduced to ism , plain that he can no logger get for his coins waste one half the prim he used to obtain for it. That is the state of the case. It isnot worth the paper maker's while. en much is his command of material upon the whole limited—l do Dot speak of any isdividnal paper nester, bat of paper maker as • due—that it is not worth Ids while to give the owner of cotton waste the same price that it wee formerly worth his while to give, because be ob tains &saw material from other sonnies. A gentleman who has quantities of cotton waste to dispose of informs me by letter, that whereas in 1860 middling Or estes cotton oust him w here as he could get =a. • pink for sweepings, now that he has to pay • good deal more ter New Orleans cotton ke cannot get more than 9e. a pack for sweepings. As respects the trade with Fiance, which is a subject of special interest, that trade cortinme to increase. It varies in its form. The value of British products has slightly diminished since two or three years ago, but the total trade with Frame steadily Morasses in imports as well se export.. In 1859 the total amount of our trade with France sou 26,431,0001. In 1964 it was 49,797,0004,1 showing an increase of 23,366,0004, or nearly 90 par cent. (Cheers.) And there is Dot • single yew of the whole in which, if we take the exports of all kinds together, our exporta to France have not shown an, increase over the year before. In comparing the °audi tion of this country or the trade of the country with that of Frazee, 1 would speed ore moment in removing a common misapprehension. It is believed, and it is used by some one as a consolation anise • burden of great expenditure, that the public expenditure of France is much higher than the public expenditure of this country. That 'chef is erroneous, and it is brought about by the mode in which the amousta are rendered, sad in which the local charges of France are passed through the medium of the Impede] treasury. I have ne zooms later than 1862, be muse, though, as is well known, the French accounts are • perfect model of scientific precision and cleerness—(boar, hear)— yet their final account does not appear until con. slderably in &near of the period to which it refers. But for this purpose it will do perfectly well, and the mat ter is one of some interest. In 1862 the *peanut expendi ture of France was 88,493,0001., but of that expenditure a very large proportion was tor purposes of • local character, and purposes which do not appear at all' in the Imperial expenditure of this country. The expenditure of France in that year for the purpose of comparine with this country was 80,815,0004, and the expenditure of this country in the same Jeer, that is 1862-3, the nearest year we can get, was 70,352,0001., or an moms of about nine millions and • half bayond the expenditure of France. The account I think stands somewhat better now. I believe we have made a little progress since that period in reducing our own charges ; I am not quite sous that one neighbours and friends across the Channel have been so fortunate, although they are pro:reedier in the direction of attaining the desired end. As regatta the whole trade of the country, 1 stated last year the immense amount to which it had risen. I think the total then reached not less than about 445,000,0001. of mosey. It has aodergoee a large further increase in the year which expired on the 31. st of December, for of course we have nothing to do with the financial year in regard to trade. It now stands thee imports, 274,000,0 1 304 ; exports, 21°,000,00W. ; making together 487,001,0904, being an increase of 219,000,00 W. since the comparatively recent period of 1854. And here I come to • point of very great and real intend, to,which I desire to call attention for • few moments. There is again an imps nsion that while the increase of the trade of this country has of late years bees undoubtedly a remarkable increase, yet it has been less than the incrpass which has taken place in the trade with fo reign countries. And this is a matter which some what touches, not only the reputation of the parliaments of England, which for twenty-five years have attached so much consequence to the removal of shackles from industry and commerce, but it likewise bears, and materially, upon the wisdom and no comity of continuing that policy for the future. It is quite true that the trade of France exhibits a Juju relative increase of late years than that of England, and I venture to say that it would have been strange indeed if this had not been the case. (Hear, he n And why Because the trade of From door the great war, and espe cially aims the wasting and crushing depopulation of the last years of that wee, which destroyed almost half of her labouring end productive power in the men who were then under 30 yeses of age—that trade, for so vast a °matey, remained for 30 or 40 years after the war midis en wins. torsi depression in ooniequeoce of that waste of popu lation. (Hear, bear.) It is therefore not wonderful that the trade of Franco should have shown • greater relative increase than the trade of England, which had lost the activity and vigour of her manufacturing and commercial operations, and, happily, had never been subjected to so sweeping • loss of the best blood of her country through • devastating and desolating war. In Franco, In 1854, the exports—l have only the power of com peting the exports, but that will be sufficiently effectual for ray purpose—the exports were 78,000,0001.; in 1854 and in 1863 they were 141,000,0001., showing an inseam of 81 per cent. In the United Kiogdon the exports in 1854 were 116,000,0001., and the exports in 1863 were 197,000,0001., showing an increase of no more than 70 per mat. That is sot • very bad comparison, but still I grant that if it stood alone it would authorise you to say that • meetly which bad done little in the way of relaxing its oommercial laws had achieved relatively more than a souitry that bad done much, and made great propene en the read to commercial freedom. But when we look at the &bonnie condition of trade it does appear that while France added 63,000.0001: to the total of her exports, Ragland added 81,000,0001. to her pre viously rut amount of o:porta. But if you want to have • fair comparison do not take a country like France, which has been placed under einem- Inalleell so abnormal in commonest* of the ruin and ravages of war. Take two neighbouring countries with free institutions, countries which hare not undergone the same sufferings as Prance, which have been in • more Donal state of progress without revolution and without war. Unfortunately it is (Molt to find countries en the continent without revolution and without war. Let as take Belgium and Holland. I apprehend there is DO ornery which has enjoyed more fully the benefit of the railway system than Belgium. I hare shown that the exports of the United Kingdom between 1854 and 1863 increased 70 per cent. In Belgium, one of the most flourishing and beet cooditioued ocomtrice,the export' ineressed in the sans time from 28,0013,0004 to 40,000 0001., , or 43 per coot. — (hew, bear) —and t h e exports of Holland grew lb that period from 34,000,0004 to 40,000,000—n0t 70, but 25 cent. (Hear, hear.) With regard to Audria, it is very difficult to make a fair comparison, but it is really lamentable to find is • country of that out extent, with its immense capabilities, that the whole export trod, in 1644 did not reach 11,000,0 n and that in 1856, though there had been a very i n crease, the amount did not reach 22,000X0T1. Let us hope that the noble lord sow at Vienna will noosed in persuading the imperial government, not that it is • matter of vital lentiortanes to Fogland that they should alter their tariff, but that it is • matter of vital importances to themselves. (Hear, hear.) We shall be perfectly meth feed with the share of benefit which mist seomearlly redeem& to us in the priecipie that he who gives ia always more blessed than he who takes. Os the whole, I come to this conclusion, that we have derived enormous advantages— almost boundless advantages—from the Menthes mph* which bas distinguished the mechanism of the present age, from the application of sew prinoiphis and methods of locomotion. I believe the railway ores puke of this country receive from the public for the services they perform above thirty nano s nimbus per annum, and I think it would be • mode ate alienate if we were to say thatemother thirty :anew per thrum is the sure addition to the wealth of the reentry, made by the in , Seduction of rallwa eves after main every allowance that may be requited for capital invested in ether forms of llooontotion which have been partially or wholly snpseseded by railways . But, a ft er all that esa be said en this rob)** I think the result of these figures is to show that immense advantage has else embed from the appaceoely simple, bat is peueJos maenad, difficult preens of • emmerring hen, Inters. sod obeirooftono, devised by the perversity of vase Wessel , treat the pate of hums ia&Ohl. sod trusting to the simple expedient of freedom for the development of the productive powers of the country. (Hear, hear.) It is no small honour that as in regard to locomotion, so in regard Is TOrt Purl Binrithaer, Mr. ILLIERS explained that parochial relief had not bees refund in this case by any properly constituted paro chial authority. The hnsband of the deceased woman war not • pauper but an artisan, and had made an arrangement with a medical man to attend his wife in bar confinement. In the Interval that man sold his practice, and with it all his engagements, to soother practitioner ; when the latter came to see the woman he found --according to the evi -1 denoe—that the family were poor . , and not being sawed that he would be paM, he said it was • ease for the parish, and refused to attend her ; upon which the husband proceeded to the Islington workhouse. Its did not, however, apply to any parochial authority, but saw at the gate a man who was himself a pauper inmate, and by him he was told he would not get the medical relief be required, unless he produced his marriage certificate, and thereupon he applied to a medical man, who at once at tended ; bat in coosequenee of the delay that bad taken place, the child was dead, and the woman died shortly afterwards. The relieving officer was at home at the time, and if the application had been made to biro, he would at once have forwarded the requisite medical aid, se it was precisely such a cams as would have been relieved di rectly. THE JEWS IN MOROCCO. Mr. H. B. SHERIDAN raked the Under Secretary of Slate for Foreign Albin whether it was true that the Emperor of Morocco had withdrawn the firman delivered lest year to Sir Moses flootefiore, promising to the Jews in Morocco the security and protection of regular justice ; whether any information had reached the government of the imprisonment of twelve chiefs of the Jewish community of Tetuan for the alleged oon•paymeot of a Moorish guard at the gates of this Jewish quarters ; and whether any steps have been taken to ascertain whether any of the twelve chiefs were British subjeota. Mr. LAYARU said he had so reason to believe that the finnan of the Emperor of Morocco had been withdrawn. On the contrary, be believed that the Emperor had the strongest thane to carry it out. He had !revived no official report on the subject, hut a few days sines be bad seen Sir Moses Monteliore, who bad expressed confideoce in the Em peror, sod satisfaction with the condition of things in Morocco. He might add that the perilous arrested had been Mewed, and that the reports which were published in this country had been greatly emiggerated. ~•~ which Swell t h e to w am, teeth is m a ma, Blee, wee 11151,9114,000 L, while in 1866 it to freedom of trade sad isiderstey, it bee bees OM to the and stipported with micassat that bold • • ----. wig, in the lest. The i n al le °l =ear 'Suit be radiates is sealer sus 008 , 288,0' W.. Mu ri a' in six years a dimaustisis if Limited 'F.S !Shay pregame a say, so heed the Tee. air, we see ve y eesi h e a w ith h e *, a beer anima, mt ki. sides, lent am , blab a j ol t oe mpariess, sad it it aseeneary to bear M 17,1148,0001., ammatievesad ma y y to m ud s w ir e em , e a of t w t h r hi mil so ; . garde( ciien. In the words of me of our pests- i and we are Slid that the me of Mat easelleat ii new mad the west tel whieli ma ebtaimed fa 1880 by the Bose a mer--a am which "To serve an model for the mighty world, ` a Mildewy to deader the insegleatice, tut th erv i t Iso proof of diadems of imagiesties on the pa th - Isms of &beat 2,149,0001. keg sanuities. If we taint, then, at the same tam a I seemed mammies of the repeal of the malt clog rt 4 - wyt I say term the tree expedite» of the emetry, sad °Doddering the seessioes "" beilliassee:santriofd4eadribt.itledetili: _ ear _ And be the fair begiaaing of a timer - • wise in order to mks that tees, add the few other mattes 1 whiab it would are mif we wee On lb i b ) -- •" 1 of a time richly fesaght set oeig with • th ey s how, i s N o g vi a what we meet oh s charme hke stria I ham sum& sad strike out all the Ai struggle foe esieteme, I caa hardly say t we, moriondeal advantages, sot only with malt; which cm be ' ads, w eed s th e r e .. .we, ee g vv r.=,eass eosin. - items of salsosilaeres rierepta, whiels tend more to mislead es • legislative, have risen to • semi of our Olk!rarrd in delisted table*, but more richly fraught with I that sa le a ble sa ti a t e . - - 4 - IW - ave i i ,`;`•7• ogi Z to sgaril te, thee t o nutmeg s oy ens engaged la as inquiry like this, • obliptioas with ngai d of te het tba nsr s t s o tional ibe o.d delit ii „ mo wn: e m its : v .v. : o" Mb ib te o n t : sai U : th cbef e n nat aol intbt c he less amsosind wi wseam th ou cla su s% eri cr es theei se t 2 ,1 ,000 :5 : : ma r e eh r seese. :Leb . wy :" l . o:l ° P eeeeeliosous " „ 0 6 . 00 01 tbs.„ 0001. 4 7 by eem____ 0 : the expeeditare of the lasLym 1884 A will be Wired to ' When I turn from the be 48,957,0001., while the tare of the Ent year of lof trade there Shot me trade of the ociontry on which it is the earth. (Cheers) la mating sea a survey I Mast Ido , ee deayoup to show w h a t i s th e m a chute enta i led " lid* this ti " L . 1859'r— " Imated, th" rectified is ' p a r a" they w W ill tro b l e bl v e ery the sb c" orran itt ri that with fa say the Pu t i n ct d d e m iS home it I avow that I cannot forget the min reed oe trade* is adding to the eat of beerr - rau r ill. peculiar and kindly interest-i who here it Urger share then aii the Der, to 87,471,0001., so that there is a rodeo- Whir Imo sat charge wind the melt tax is that it es • Ihs time Mos 188940, without Merging 1115940 with sums paid which this house has felt mew the Weg annuities which have expired, in need refer to the ooedition of the paper trade. (Haw, ear.) lin mg this blessing for the_ country. 'Well sail wady strict. th e m oi e ties c 4 ma lt t o t h e Nagai el y rs. 4,814,999/. eth very far from denying-ea the contrary I deeply deplore has testiarosy bees horse to his me th withis these wails I pomaded es fax se the pumas o r m i me g . I ree n bees of 14 minim at more - precisely, of Ifgo to the year 188041, which wee the you that the period of transition has Wee for many numbers of /ii may be considered impertinence if I presume to repeat wiewi rceB th a t we hen h ear d mer l o n, beg of . that 6 4 of we . highest expenditure, there was undoubtedly that Wade a period of very great 'Gurney. (Hew, hem) It 1 but closely associated es I was with Mr. Cobdes to ell; (liar, bear.) A bag and careful' series of a very 1 decrease. • decrease amounting to 8,547,0001. Of that I make no dorild whatever. At the same time ittransactions minected with the *reclusion of the am I hireivaphiy establish this esselt_-th e t th e us e r2tUmes If we look to the year 1858-9 -the veer before the extensive is rigid to say that the paper trade as a whole not only has . mensal treaty with Prams, I cannot forbear from resiller. I f ee di ng o f catt l e to he beneficial mon be , i. is th e *viridian connected with the military and naval depart- not left the eonetry, but shows no intention of leaving B.', log ,rich tribute as it is in my power to render, both to his ; se e cocer e ica L s k e w to pimi li m . ....._ aad .. ! .. .asea meets commenced - then we arrive at a airfares% result, and (lieu.) On the contrary, it evidently winos to strike de , character and to his acts. (Hear. hem) he Praibre ! tha th be t a w s ere nboti ot tu b t ni ier ise af a r use d . the modeToft sisi • steed of showing a reduction sack ea that which 1 have roots deeper and deeper liere,for Bulls continually from year ' which have been bestowed on him here, the sorrow which named nt , any rednotice, we Widths* there has been an in- to year for the importation of more and more materials from has hem felt for him by his fellow-oorintrymen-thst am * e i ne hot if thee opinion b, Thil f.h. t. b•W iLd e Tt V al le I erased e xpenditure oe of nearly three and a half millions, or in abroad, while at the same time the consumer of paper in row has spread over the world, arid those praise have bees me ga, w h o l esa l e f or th e f ee di eg ',4 " malt he figures 3,442,0001. ; and if 'sego back one stage further, that this country is supplied with it more largely and more re-echoed is every foreign lead ; and there is no civilised fearlessly, th a t "n er t h e eat „......A ,__, Iwe .to saT ;si to theverydiffermat scaled =meditate which pre • cheaply than at air former period. (liar, hear.) . The • country which would sot clam to share with us in the the ample me ws aso employ in g i t: r iou rst, ihn o !Li e d en t h e R o w an war, end th ee wee pwre th a t p e riod importation of paper from abroad has . rise from theina I hounds we MVO paid him. (Chasm.) Be remixes BO hesima_y thi n k 28 wen th e t o w mother _ •"'" "IL with the year which has just expired, we Wad that the total oilleant amount at which it stood six years ago to fl ee tlyalon f r om m e . his memor y is part of the salmi- ; for the pumas of preparing melt for ° a% RrOrbthr which has taken place in the anneal of the half a million of money, or more soourstely 477,0001. But tame of his country, and this I feel, that Weal l o f cattle after th e pin i ng i g the set et lest country amulet to 12,459,000 k, or very nearly 12 at the same time that these Importations from abroad have with the moollsetioe of Ms distiagaishedi minima there will ' o p th ole t wen t y ...oi b osses a erie hen dosed year, slid ela increued, the &mount of material impirted for 1 always carvers among us a remembrance of his qualities ;so Some c a th e That is the date of the expeaditur• seesawed with whst thus largely i 1 , 1.. Geri brO doing • very actim i t it has bees RI former years, both is the civil breech sloes riskier British paper hu risen from 13 700 toes in 11159, to true, so medal, so conseisetious, so wimple, so usedfalioa sew , w hil e teyWee , I liaises. are d o ing ,__, „._ _ and likewise when regarded as • whole ; and lam bound to 20,400 tons ic 1862, to 44.000 tons is 1883, and M 87.000 Men devoted, and leo genial . Hi was a character which added s h i m Ih e to ld t h a t t h ey have beee "Z e l g T e r W* . Nes. say, speaking of a country of perdu institutions, that in 1884. (Cheers.) And it will be observed that this almost as much lustre to his greatest airtime se it has h ei d eeeecee aa a yee twav„ a mide , ey th e I of% although t h e expenditure o f this p eri od has bees & large me, cannot he amounted for by the disappearance of received lustre from them. (Loud cheers.) 1 ems sow to w hi c h parliament h oe j rnecee d ? We haw _ yet Ido not believe that at any period of our Meaty the cotton weata, because for the last leer or the estimate at expeeditme and revenue for the althbObil w h a t ever that such 1. them e, Not me ": g 17 , sedum the expenditure, small or great, has bees more /lithely in two the ream waste has beers tending rather to messes. year just opened. The charge OR the unfunded debt for h ave o w e d th e i r me lt h ouses h am s li ege y wi "• Mis consommes with the general views end wishes sad feeluip It wen in 1861 or 1862 that the supply of cotton waste wen i 1866.6 is taken at 26,350,0001. The consolidated feud doing anything connected w i t h the ... t " 1 "" far 1r of the nation at large. ( Hen, bear .) I corm sow to close at the lowest, bat while the supply ricottas waste frees charge le 1,900,0001. The vides for the army moue to = ma les o t e ha o:cise tw to thedr have Md found ustry no ; but umeima tay i hme e ll g weA CI I " the - - lets of the year by ounpariog the revues of the our manufacturer has been somewhat reviving, More bee 14,348,0001. ; for the wavy, 10,392,000/. ; collection of the . .. deaesf •.- the esaserialsfor - -- mama- revenue, 4,667,0001. i pectiatarvim, 842,0004 ; sad mis. th a t •- - th oug ht it more p ro6cable ' - to . • thei; = looses to the ion mud ' we of sang malt with a view to the production of bow. / have here the names of several of those pithea ds ‘ 4, have permitted me to quote their letters, stating the o ft why they have closed, and not in one tingle whim big the cent been pat on the difficulty of carrying as p ut trade, or on sapling else, stoop the fan that tine b e. demand adequate to thisearryiag on al their estoblis" Sir, the next Warp against the malt duty is, that ii,... rates injuriously on the price of the middle sad leiri t article. That is a charge of great importance, sag s o i k with the permission of the committee, 1 will pa in i; direst their attestion But I think the last reins charge against the malt duty is, that it rei ns *wraps brswlng at home. Now, it is isposai e that charge can be made by those who my that the ~hd, duty costa the consumer 20,000,0001.—that the lath don which is only 6,000 , 0001 ., through the medium of *show wets the essionmer 20,000,0004—bemuse the sea tho news at home will only be relieved el the shoe el the. 6 , 000 .0001, of duty which be actually pays. (Hoar, bawd It is evident if all then fictitious additions are made tone malt duty before the beer reaches the oniumer, thermst system se one which operates ea one of the pay possible premiums on brewing at home, for the an who brews at home merely pays hi s 21s or 19, per quarter to the anise. (Hear, hear.) But what I Ile question now before us! Are we asked to condor liir abolition of the malt duty, or are we asked to modelle reduction! I pat aside the (medico of abolitions. Se abolition of the malt duty would he the death curbed the whole of oar system of indirect taxation. alear,ber4 It is idle and futile to the last degree to suppose that twig hoer made free from taxation you can tax white sat "Or on the one silo, or tea and eager on the other. (11.0 The only ocasident man who supports the ripen of Ike malt duty is, if I may venture to my so, the sly and den. mimed foe of indirect taxation. (Hear.) I oan quits nein stand the speeches made from that quarter, for the rend of the malt duty. They my his a very unprovideet ad improper tax. They make speeches in this house which at received by hon. gentlemen opposite with great cheen, sad they are welowned on those ;articular occasions with re. workable credulity wocept (modems, sot perceiving that tie end of all this is the imposition of the whole burden ed our taxation on property. (Cheers from the oasis. aerial side of the house.) I repeat that the re of the malt duty is the death-warrant peal of Wired taxation. I say, then, that the quertiou before us Is, not the repeal but the reduction of the malt duty. Now, the reduction of the duty, it mast be admitted, wane's, the argument, because we have still all than magtal terrors connected with the operation of the eras, and all thaw disadvantages which must amount to some. thing, and roust continue as losg as you maiotaie a system of noise at all. Bet I take its granted that she prod ad question ia, at what oost can we make each a reduction of the malt duty as will semi* liswer the pries of beer. That I bops /lONS the minim fairly and honestly. Bat to answer that question we end asentain what is the proportion of the present .price elce, beer that is really due to tondos. I my to tonne, sad sot to malt duty, because although the balk of wane omelets of the charge woo malt, yet them is a comma*. tioa of the hop duty which cocoa eat in the shape of brewers' licenses ; and there is a Wing chugs for coaltateid Bosses, of which account mast be tikes Now these are subjects on which it is ad possible for me te ask the committee to accompany me through all the dna eat the inquiry through which we have pstieutly posed My right hoe. !ring, the President of the Beal of Trade, has dated that the malt duty ioneeld oa bees a tax of 12t . per oast. (Hear, lose 4 ' And lam able to my Iwo dunp—first of all, that lis statement of my right hop. friend (the Presided of the Board of Trade) wee rigidly just is every sus of the cod ' for the purpomfor whichhe used it, namely, for thinnest of comparison with the duty imposed by law apas In; but, esecindly, very high authorities connected with In ' trade, men conversant, Intimately conversant, with in whole details of the brewing trade, have given the vey Bores given by my right hon. friend, namely, ni per endi as the value at the malt dug ; and the other minor dais of which I have spoken will not make an addition el men than one or two per wit. ; an that the whole duty will sot be mare than 14 or lb per cent. I take the incidence el the duty upon the barrel of beer, as that is the fair way of comparing it with the sheet or half cheat of tea. And having on the one hand asked the °Soma the revenue department to make the mot eared ' and sifting exambaation, and having on the other hand on tarred with those best informed on the subject, sad no have Madly at my request goneinto the dinath, I ass in pared to show that the taxation on beer. of whith ail so cept we or two per cent. is due to the malt dog, the tot ion bow aa sold in the barrel may he tens in 20 in mid ' for the sake cl argument. And 1 think lam ate in din Intim% any attempt to impugn that statement New, 20 per cent is added to the price of beer by In malt duty, bow much must we take of the malt ddy la order to produce assemble effect on the price of beer to the ooneumer ? lam now speaking of beer sold by the bun, but dumped bulk of beer consumed is soldnot in thalami. ' but * sold in pints end quarts, sad I tinder* do not din ' that anything that would reduce the price by less the. eso farthing • pint ought to Woos parlianiset to 'WAN ' with the malt daty. Now what ss the redaction al ths ' malt duty that would be absolutel umeseary in order te reduce the price of beer by one firth y * • port? Is ants to affect that reduction in the price we most redoes the duty to somewhat leas than one half. (Hear, beer.) Yea ' must reduce the duty from 2s. 81d. a bushel; it and be reduced to la. 9d. Now what would he the cost to the exchequer of the reduction that Than just detiribed? Wien the strong advocates of the repeal or the Moltke cl the malt duty come to this guanine of theme to the nehmen they are dangerously apt to deal. n geseralitiss, sad to Ist that is one way or other, and especially by the iD(2111101 d onsumption, the cast to the exchequer would be very pm* decreased. Now I will state what the NA would to firsi el all, and thee what would be the effect of the imam al onewaption. The proper time for the redactios of the duty, if it were to be reduced, would be beyond all debt about the Id October. That Is the period at whirl the stook of hoer in the weeny is the lowest, and it ie the parked st white we should have to pay the most mod". 1111110IMi for drawback. We should then have to pa! stow book to the mount of rather more than 1,180,000‘ cm prohabknol ism than 1,320,0004 for the remainder d tie pat That is to my, we Mad ad touch the malt datf for the purpose of giving to eOOllllllllOll the benefit d 5 reduction is the price of ewe birthing a quart at a imeard to the Exchequer than 2,4110,0004 Bat that is sot let wont of th e dory. That is the cod of the first Puri what would be the con al the emu! year ? Accoraln(,r so estimate tamed at fforsemet-home the met d the second year after the reduction from 2s. Btd to le. 21. ,• bushel would be 3,380,0001. (Hear hear) Well, ari,." might anion, perhaps, rent on OW agoras ; they ar"'" more ekvient than thy comment that could passible/ made upon them ; but now I must touch the one topls tem might Isessibly be veiled, and that is the inereesed we anawdos. We may be told that there would be • pelt recovery from the isommee of consumpson. Now I vience_, to my that fa the case of the malt duty. 014 only there not be • peat recovery, but no recovery at sli,sec. _— on the cootrary, the inamas of consumption, fireml , would is all likelihood be a furhter low to the Facheusim Geatiewies may bear these words with surprise, but then* planatioa is that, if them is • large iambs in the owerawY Won of malt, that would canoe a decrease in the oonenwr Yon of spirits. Meer.) Slow mach? (Rees.) You met oat Ws your mimien of pkilaathropy, sod Ism perfectly ree n : u r with you, but I beg you to nod roe the mousy fix lame. (Hear, and lifthter. ) We are sow look* "tb ig manor m Hadrian light—in the light of ponds, t h ilk ll 4.. and peon, sad setting apart the hustings and the Om' , everything else, to the* it most come at last. Now. sue' posing that for every 1.0004 additional laid oat is beer . affix the redaction of themalt dui supposing one-fourth of th at displaced spirits—and Ido en threk that extra hat would be the effect apes Buniquer ? Wwld that be • pia to the chequer! Why it would take 81. laid out il melt after this reduction to bring into the BE' sheep* what 11. lain eat in spirits weld briao is, ad 5 sopently if 21. worth of spirits be die/Awed by the on snmption al 81. worth of melt, it follows that we lose by 'wary oddities made in the cossuniptien of melt. New I de notargns the oleo of malt and spirits farther thee int— act I have Made good my proposition that if the mill duty were iodated from 2e, 80. to Is. 11.. 51n1,,, 04 to Site Xizarquer in the ant year wee* _he tmor- - and in the second year 3,000,0001. or 3,250000/., an Yes will have to lay your account in a further loss in wan queue of the incased oomemption id malt asasieg • dim' WAYS AND MEANS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. laid en the table a return of the pew incense and expenditure of the eouotry for the year ending the Mat of Much, 1865. THE BUDGET. The house then (20 minutes to 5 o'clock) went into coin• mines of wan and means, when The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, who was received with general cheering, rose to make his financial statement He aid, Mr. Dodson : Sir, there is upon the whole a somewhat remarkable contrast between the opening and the closing circumstances of the present parliament. When the parliament met we had been involved—although we did not know it at the time—in • costly and difficult war with China. The harvest of the year which succeeded was the wont that had been knows for half • century. The recent experiences of war had led to extensive, costly, and somewhat uncertain noonetractiona, and clouds hung over the continent of Europe ; although the Italian war had terminated in huh • manner sa to meate vague and odious alarm in the public mind. Since that period, sir, these clouds have moved westward, acne. the Atlantic, and have beast in a tempest perhaps the wildest that ever devastated a civilised country ; • tempest of war, distinguished, indeed, by an exhibition of many mat marvellous and extraoedinary qualities of valour, of heroism, and of perseverance, and of which, perhaps, no scene has been so entirely painful as that of which the intelligence has last reached us, and which now rand one thrill of horror throughout Europe. ((ies of " Hew, hear.) But so far as this country is concerned we have been mer cifully spared. We see the state of the public mind tranquil and reassured, and the condition of the reentry generally prosperous and satisfactory. The history, how ever, the financial history of the parliament has been re markable. It has raised a larger revenue thee I believe ever at any period of peace or war was raised by taxation, after taking into aeoonst changes is the value of mossy, within an equal time. The expenditure of the period has been upon a scale that has never before been reached in a time of peace. (Hear, hear.) The amount and variety of changes introduced into our financial legislation had been greater than within a like number ofeyears at any former time; and lastly, it has enjoyed the distinction that though no parliament ever complete. the full term of its legal existence, yet this is the seventh time you are called upon to make provision for the financial exigencies of the country. Now, sir, I proceed to state the figures of the case, which relate to the year just ex pired. The expenditure of the year 1864-5 was estimated at the period of the budget at 66,890,000/. In the egpropriate bill that amount was not materially varied, fat it stood at 67,073,000/. The actual ex penditure has been 66,462,0004, or less than the estimate by the sum of 611,0001. ( Hear, hear.) It follows then from the figures that between the votes and the actual aerate they are not of very great ante queers so far as the army and navy are concerned, because the final accounts of the expenditure of the year are not , yet made up, and will not be made up for a considerable time. The miscelleaeous expenditure, which was estimated at 7,638,0004, has reached only 7,237,0001. That may be saddered as the final result. Bus perhaps it will be of same interest to the committee to compare that Mileraln• MIMI expenditure with what it has bees in fernier years ; end I will add to what makes up the amount of civil expenditure, namely what are called the charges upon the consolidated fund, charges which do not form any portion of the votes of this house ; and also those which belong to the packet esewire; and I will augment those sums a the case of the year just need with the sum of 174,0001. which was taken for the redemption of Scheldt tolls. The total civil ex panditure of the country under these four heads, which may be said to represent the siva expenditure of the country,was 10,208,0001. In 1859-60, that is to say the first peat of the pelmet parliament, the expenditure was 10,820,0004; there , 141. that shows a reduction of 617,0004 la 1858.9 it was lees than that mond, but it was then 10,040,0001., befog apparently WI bye sum of 163,0004 than in the year just expired. But as the expenditure of the yes: just expired was augmented by the sum of 174,0004, under no ordinary head of charge, but for the special purpose which I have mentioned, sad connected with the tolls of the Scheldt, the total ram, for the purpose of conepari_ nos, really stands at 10,270,00 W., about the Name sum which it stood at for the last year of the preceding pulls. mast. So that this Hones of Commons is a a sesditien to say that the civil expenditure of the country has not been increased during the term of its existence. Now, if we look at the total expenditure of the country, ad compare it with former years, in order to make the comparison • fair one, it is neeemary to make a change in the arras r they lipped is the amounts from the Exchequer—it is assamary to add the spread charge, made under • special act of parliament, for the erection of fortifioetioes—it is seccessary to deduct all those charges which, as compared with former yaws, appear ant in the first year, but which do appear together 4 111 •At . 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