The Express. — London, England, 1855-05-15 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—MONDAT. MAT 14. Ili. LORD CMANCILLOR leak his Hat so Os wool's& at' . issoWocii. LORD ELLENBOROUGH'S MOTION. The Earl of ELLENBOROUO Hi said ie. was now some where about a year sone they had been et war—a period somewhat locger, he believed, than the war was expected to list by the mini-ten who made it. During that period they had put forward the whole military forte of this country, mei a. it was, and their whole navy. They had no resin whatever to be dissatisfied with the madam of either our soldiers or our sailon. (Hear.) They bad rivalled the great actions of those who had preceded them in former wars, sad they had been led en all oe melons by Eogledi gentlemen with their accustomed spirit and decision (Heir, hear.) They had been allied with the greatest military power in Metope—a power almost equal In naval string Ito this country, end though teen had been the meet cordisi union between the forces of the two powers, and though they bad obtained so meth glory, by the side of that glory there was nothing bet barren meow. Notwithstanding all their strength, united with Fruee—sotwithstanding all the courage sad devotion of our trope, they had eel obtained say decisive seen es, nor was there soy body who could say at the protein moment that be had soy expectation of it. These grounds alone would be sufficient to justify him in galling their lordships' ' attention to the rubject, end asking them to consider the causes of the failures they had en eountereil, and the remedies to be applied to guard against them in future. Very recently another event had happened which had given • g hateenr to the war. namely, the negotiations at Vienna, which had failed; and bow had they tailed ? They had tailed in such a meaner. (rots the production of propositions on the past of Russia that were wholly inadmissible—(ns', hear)—u to offer a prospect of a prutracted war as well as a great contest. Under such eiroimsteaces, he felt that the only apology he had to offer to their lordships end the country was foe sot having brought forward the question at as earlier period, end not for its production now. (Hear, bear) Since the 'Minion efLord Palmerston to the government a sort of torpor had existed in pulls:Dent not likely to induce any man to bring proud ouch ain Init. Had it rested with that noble lord. the torpor existing in parliament would have been extended to the pubic mind, for the first measure which he attempted to carry was one td wide the committee of inquiry i•W the state of affairs before Sebastopol, although that committee had been voted by a large majority of the limps of Common,, and was supported almost unanimously by the pe iple out of doors. The mode adopted by the noble lord for inducing the House of Commons to rescind their resolution, wee a strange and singular one. He desired to bear in the political monorails the character of Richard the Second. It hie (Lord Ellenborough'r) recollec tion served him right, that was a prince who owed his fall from power to his preference for mercenaries—his choice of men on private and net on public grout. dieand to his disregard of public opinion. It was represented that Lord Palmer. aton was the fittest person to conduct the affairs a the 1 country during a war, on account of his great military ' experience. It was true, indeed, that for the two, first epochs of his public life he had held this office I • of Seeresary at War ; but that office was not in any way' connected with the direction of a war or of military affair', ' it wee connected only with the finance of tee army, end a person might have held that office sad not posses any greet military experience. They had recently seen Mr. Sidney Herbert, who had discharged the dodo of that office, showing a greet deal of s c at fur the public service/ in aiding mid resisting the Duke et Newcastle, who was at the head t of the war department That was perfectly justifiable, but 'it was a part of the duties of the Borates, at War. 11, in - reality, Lord Pal menton bed, through having held that office, acquired any great military ezperienee it would probably have been haulm to the Doke of Wellington, and must have seduised him to set a high value on the assistance of Lord Pumenten in any government. He (Lord Moth°. rough) did not mesa to soy that the Duke of Wellington did not minutia such an opini in of Lod Palmerston, but be ref -dented &circumstance which would lead him to be lieve the contrary. Ile recollected sitting by the site of the Doke of Wellington during ihn dismission connected with the trusactiom which led to the retirement of Mr. Huskieson cad s son other members of the cabinet. Tee duke was c.lied out of the house, en his return he said, "It was I..ned Pahnergoa who wanted to see me to tell me that if Has- Worm went he oho aid go he e." He ,(Gird Eileaborongh) then asked toe Doke what was his reply ? " I said nothing, feel do set like firing greet guns at small birds." (Cheers, and laughter.) West we. then in the opinion of the Duke of Wellinetes bat • small bird might have since attained the character end dimensions of an eagle; bat there could be no doubt as to what was the Duke's opinion at that liar. Bat a short time since the public ' lestructors of the country infecund the people that the man of all others whom it was necessary to place in the position of minister was Lod Palmerton— that he was the man of the situation. The nation s-thetimes Indulged in au unfortunate weakens, end then like an 1 individual cared only to greasy their fancy ; but when they I did so, it was the mime won them as with an individual— 1 'repentance soon followed indulgence. II- believed there was I 'hardly any people so reedy ee the peonle of this couetry to I give threnseves up to the admiration of en individual for a I short period. It was, however, only for a short, for a very I abort period that they showed the warmth of their affection I ,and sdmiration. A ening:, soon came over them, and the I warmth of affiction was ..cn followed by a frigid indifference more than equal to the intensity of admiration before ex- I pressed. He feared that the people were at the present I moment in that cold state, and greatly disippointed with I themselves, and with the man they had desired to have. I While parli uneet was in a state of torpor, the public had 1 began to speak—(near, hear)—the public had come to I certain cochineals conclu.ious—which appeared to him to I be lust, as to the conduct of the war, and as to the mean to be adopted for the figure for the purpose of avoiding I Mailer disappointineete They had arrived at this conchs- I sion, that it was neawary in the ofectioo of individuals for I the public employment to regard fitness, and not to be actuated ' by favour. He had not lately been converted to that notice, It was the priuiple on which he acted during the period be ' bad been in poeeissiou of power, end be weld speak from I experience of its advantages and its dangers. Its advantages were all to the public; the danger was only to the individual I who adopted it ea his principle:of conduct. (Hear, hear.) ' Re bad seen disaster a:inverted into victory; be had seen ellecouragensent converted into enthusiasm ; he bad men , public confidence re-established, and the prosperity , of a country carried to an unexampled degree be yond that of any previous period, and he had been able in a very great measure to trace all , these improvements in the situation of the state to the adop- ! don et the principle of regarding only the fitness of Individuals in the sehetioa fur public employments. The 1 danger to the Whited who acted on this principle ' wee, that be was amseuaded by prone who, with ell the wasplike* of disappointed jobbers. , would join to emegerbeles who deprived them of I animesity ysy the patronage w WM& &Feuded for promo- I ties. la the pr heft the ,if a vernment 1 VW to be establishe ese d nt dessembilid to peo aet ple uniform go ly on that I principle, he Mt mooed that is would fail unless it re. I solved the cossistent, unarms and vigilant asppeet of the I people, on whom it depended. He had net bean osehesr. vent of the events which had taken piesa to this .1 country for a considerable, time, and had eareversed with I many who bad ;regarded events with an equally vigilant 1 observation, and their cognation was in accordance with his emu. Re had observed with regret a very danpress I *sage which had some over the practice cf the tomtits- I non. Time was when the speeches in parliament directed I the opinion of the country; when, whatever might be the 1 feeling during the recess, however the people might be led I astray reh-• parliament was net sitting, when its sitting I commenced thus members who were in the habit of leading I parties in parliament at once gave a direction to rublic opinion, and brought it late a right end safe is one. A very I materiel change, however, had bees grewieg up in that ' respect, and public opinion was now more generally formed i out of doors. and being then formed acted on the con- ' duet of parliament. (Hear, hear.) He looked with peat apprehension to sash a state of things es that any per son, however able, but wholly irresponsible, should possess a power—greater power perhaps than that of parliament— sad that the gentlemen of the p Worm should overrule the gentlemen of the House of Commons. The stew of things shies bad grown up in this country filled him with consi derable alarm ; he knew the importance of watching public opinion ; he knew the importance of endeavouring to direct it. A public opinion, in essay respects, resembled a great river running between dykes ; the waters rose gradually, aloely, imperceptibly, without any duper apparent to those who were sot secustemed to wr.teh them; at length they overtopped the dyke, bore down on the plains sad ed destroy and desolated every thing before them ; the same waters, it distalbeted by prudent sad judicious previsica into sereemlet• over the fields, Would have fertilised tied beautified them. (Rear, bear.) Is his opinion, it was emestial to the geed marking of the esentitution that perAmeet should dlreet.setm as possible, piths opiaice • sari la is be made it ter the pupa thismed , et 'enabling their te ghee that beam to front of the people--be male it the poopens et ma &Wog them to ge le the hell of the tithe se the hithful lettermen* of public eyielon—(bees, burr)—end state re speetfully to Me Majesty dm extent ot the polite Moulds hones • and to state their determination sad OM et the people . to mast her Majesty with all the remesees et life sea s any la the pmesendien et a Jut and asessary war; bat t the cams ill% is ask opiates *et the gown. ant _ ca me be eininebeil ea tme pubikt priesitkor a sheet* he seismott for employment rely la re ' •••411 . _ he simian the state. (ftt beer.) .WA elegem of the sea; to *des it ea es draw their attention. be wbbid to '' whisk Separated the hmetimeet the et the newel, It wen the duty se• that ata *WM be r ei rlterkaw Ina wassigi." en. Shaw= Um gmenmait ego 4 fIIE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 15, 1855. d the government to form the plea Of the eane-• page, sat place it in the hands of tee gethral to when they entrusted its conduct, and the most perfect instruaset that *old be provided—that was, a wellegulpped army. It wee fee the peered to carry Intel execution the pleas of the getheameat, and parliament had only to deal with the eth duet of the governweet. At th, eummeneenseat of the war he had missed their lord-hips set to look too elessly into the °Padget of the office* in command of their armies and Beets ; he reminded them that military honour was extremely sensitive, and that a•feeling et tee great snaleti R4ht prevent von from exerting all their enerdee is the public eervier--that the hope of public approbation and the fear of public discredit was eutticient to spur their ofikers to every (dot ; be would adhere note to the vale he had prescribed to others, and in all be had ti say be would nada' himself to the conduct of the government. (Hear, hear.) For the purpose of conducting a war, he apps headed that it would be admitted that it was athemery to have men eau animals, men aided by animal., sad the safeties of a government in the eandoet of a war should he to provide the g 1 with aa army sufilciently strong, and the means of moving that army It was by increasing the bounty at an early period that the army could be increased. On a receetoceseion the Minbter of War eery properly issued a circular to the militia, and re leased from services those who bad not entered with the understanding that they were to ho embodied. But he ac companied that measure with the edoptius of • bounty so extremely email as nut only to endanger the memoir*, bat almost to enure its failure. (Hear, hear.) We have, mid the noble earl, lost the services of 16,000 to 20,000 men fee the purpose of saving some 60,0001. or 60,0001. a year. (User.) There had been a* real economy except is that in which parsimoey was most to Sc regretted, and in which liberality was most to be observed in the ebtrining of mesa for the army and navy, and in supplying that army with the means of movement. (Hear, hear.) ventured at an early period of the war to bring before your lordships the necessity of taking measures for that purpose. It is only within the lest three months that any effective measures have been taken with that view. And at this moment that army cannot move, and to move. Its imenoveactlity, from the want of animals, has been the cause of many errors which have pervaded the campaign. My lords, early in the last year it was decided, and I Souk mot properly decided, to separate the colonial from the war departmett. But, my lords, at the time that division took place no measure* were adopted, as they should have bee. , at the same time, for the purpose of strengthen ing the hands of the Minister of War. (Hear, hear.) Now, I entirely object to the principle of robing to pieces treat departments in the midst of a war. I thiAt it was totally. uansesseiry. The only thing absolutely necemary was to give the Minister of War fell power over subordinate depart:seats; making his order run through them, and compelling the immediate execution of that which he di rected. (Hear.) It my noble friend the noble duke had hail that power given to him, if he bad surrounded himsell with a military staff, as he shou!d have done, instead of civil clerks ;if it bad been tbroughly understo od that in giving his order, it was to be at once executed in all the de pertinent' of the war, I Sealy believe that many of the disasters which have taken place would have been arsenate,. Bat I fear my noble friend has had to fight battles here as well as in the Crimea. (Hein hear.) I believe he bad to wrest tho commissariat from Sir C. Trevelysn, that he had to wrest the transport corps from the commissariat. There were diffloolties here as well es there, ash these difficulties to a great extent led to the failure that we experienced. (Hoer, hear) At the com mencement of a war it was a matter of the must anxious and careful consideratim with the government in giving the commend of the war, in what manner our forces should set, whether they should set as a separate body, or unite is operations with those of France. The objectious to the anion were obvious. The existence of a divided command was an ineonvenimos which no extent of cordiality and good seam on the part of the generals could by possibility altogether alter. It is almost impossible for any two men, however able they may be, to conduct difficult military operations with success on the prieciple of a divided authority. (Hear.) The great Nay/loon had stated with iriatb, when toe Mist of sendieg another general to act with him was suggested, that they had better send one ordinary man than two generale, however able. Depend upon it unity of command contributes to sitc om. (Hear.) We hays had as opportunity of employing our troops, to a certain extent, in 'operate expeditions, but we bats the Baltic before us, which was the tree theatre of our operatics'. It was decided, after all, I cannot tell why, to make the forces of the two countries, army and navy, set together, and although there may have been some advantage in that, I think it was an advantage dearly purchased by the want of omit, of com mand. The war was to be conducted in the Baltic and Black Seas. Any one who takes the trouble of looking at the charts of the Baltic will have seen that whilst Russia took every precaution for her dotting by the erection of defences to prevent ships of large draught of water from entering her ports or coming near her dockyards, the Mlle precautions wen not taken against vessels of smaller draught. No fortifications were erected. Sweeborg or Croastadt might have been attacked by vessels of a small draught of water. It was also obvious that it would be most advisable to have • body of troops at hand for sue. ea °Dentin.; because by taking away the mariner, mid employing them on shore, you materially diminish the strength of the ships wail maks them less fit for action. (Hear.) Neither of 'dime things escarrea to the government. They sent a fleet to the Baltic without gunboats and without troops. (Hear) They made it ins- possible to obtain same' with the means they placed in the admiral's hands. (Hear.) The admiral did as mush as he could with the means placed at his disposal. (Hear.) I deeply regret that the public expectation +outsized so high at the commencement of the war as to induce the public to beliove that some extraordinary service was to be performed by our fleet in the Baltic For that exaggerated expecta tion two members of the g.ivernatent were particularly responsible. (Hear) It is a serious thing to disappoint Public expectation in a matter of that kind. (Hear, hear.) It is a cruel thing towards the officer in command. (Hear, hear.) Whilst Ido not question the conduct of the Admi ralty, or dispute their right to state or not to state their reasons for ordering an carer to haul down his fi ig, still I say that it is essential you should consult and carefully consider the feelings of the officer so directed to give up his com mand—(beer, hear)—and I deeply rivet to find that Sir C. Napier is not the only officer in that fleet who has just grounds of complaint as to be manner in which he has bees treated. (Hear, hear.) I consider it • public duty to con sult the feeling: of every officer employed in the govern ment. (Rear, hear.) do much for the Baltic expedition. It was determined to send an army to the Mediter ranean by Malta, Gallipoli and Constantinople. I tan no objection to m ake to the advance to Malta, or even to Gallipoli or Constantinople. I think the two_ lest were _ correct under the then einem- elimess et the war. But when these troops arrived at COn stentluiple it was foe the government to take a general wiemetthe war then carried as on the shores of the Black the, thresher carried en between Turkey and Russia. That war (misted is Asia as well as on the Danube, and up to the present moment the war in Asia, which is almost as irs pertain re that on the Danube, has been altogether ne- Peened. (Bear.) I say it is as important because I recollect well the feeling which existed in the year 1829, and the apprehensions which were then eetestaund of the advises of Prince Paakiewiteh upon &imam All that time the danger to Constantinople was conoitheed u great ea as Asiatic as on the European shore; tint the whole vital strength of Turkey was not iu Strospi, bet in Asia ; that • blow struck in Asia would parapet ale empire, and meth than that, that the whole comfier between Turkey end Persia being clamed on through 'hobbled wed Murtha% the whole of that trade woad be put en end to. Persia would be isolated, and her polity thereby itheeted. (Hue.) But we do net carry on war in MISS in theseige, with arm against army, we have nations there 1111•11111111114 beg ME disposed to throw off the yoke ; there le elether• pith nation there fighting successfully in defense of thews in depeedenee. We should make war with their Sale es well as with the troops which we could detach meatus to aid them. But that has been altogether 'Kelowna, and, as far as I esa recollect, the appointment of Col. Williams, who was went gut es ennsimioner, appeared in a day or tee after the teeth of the defeat of Turkey at Rue wee reesind, by whisk delis Ethenann wag threatened, and only sued by the advisee ef Behanyl. This bens the duty of the =la.il, to leek et the whale war, d net ea as iso s an point, l it wee • nest serious defect in the eciethet of the war, that nothing should have been done for the pur ples of active hostility is Asia. (Hear, hear.) It was decided to send troops to Varna. I approve entirely of that movement. I thank my noble friend the head of the late government for having premed it upon his colleague. I Welk he did it rightly, sad for the reasons he amigned, Meuse it was not only a good military position, but " it Pee the hand to Atheria." Thee were the expreedeas he meet; lead the view he essertakeed was perfectly just. The army proceeded to Venn, end fella that position It wee able to threaten Odessa, Illebeetem st, Amapa, sr say other point of the Russiaa tiering, dm the Blink Bee, wldbt it gave tenuity to the army that wee siting em the Deaths. But no sooner wee our army there—se after did we give the hand to Austria—no Bonn wee Austria about to rest upon it—than we withdrew. Mink that the est of ending an expedition to the Crimea after the ge-theratien of Austria in the Prioaipalities wee Invited, was upset en error in diplomacy as it was in war. (Hear.) I thawed to amities the government at the time as to the Week is would have. We have never up to this day bees is the MSS position with regard to Austria me that in whisk we were when that theperation was given. (Rees, heat) What did Austria my when informed of the kelontlem of sending an expedition to the Crimea ? " net abase my pooition. I cannot water* m flgltt Ruth by myself, and you have withdrawn the focus whisk might he,. es- Mated me." And what have you doge neently, almost at the very time when you were about to ether intometie, togs? Ton have withdrawn the Turkish may, ad eget that army from the Principalities to Ethateria. Thalimee the only amistance Austria could hue. At the thimmet when she most needed animus yes* withdrew it fesee Is, and left her denuded and canned dens • line of ibmierm 'roadies from the Peuth to the oath of Gillian, Intim attacks of Russia, with Oweeent maeortabi blind bib (Hear, bear.) Can you, my I=ers i laila of Austria it you say that dee thine BEM. when that timidity is eddy Is bethtelbued to tits nth► take of the government la sluing the az=M esla► topol sad to Espanola? These tens Austria, end till your army is la a petilje• is which Austria sue depend open lk,, Ansleksina avow venture to give youths mitten's you desire. Tie leeldref rte 14th of Jane between Austria and Turkey wet SOWS ate of the rabies of the siege of &thine. If yea!= at Varna had the meths of movement, could it he that Were the ulnas et that asp yes would lan anneal tothe sawn of Turkey i Was it not distractive of every • bang el Millitery honour to allow a great forever, sad the roe stlegsaid of year ally, to be taken tended Your O wn lc p (Hear, hear.) That was not the fault of the pawl. Waa , he the niseenomat left gio army CO" (iiser,_ re hear.) When Russia wet wspelled abeam of Austria, to tire from the Peladpalitielt ian any general in command press on their rest. and from taking the plunder of the Prinelpalities , me from Yarns ? (Hear.) But your army could cr. * a Ineiri. strwhy ? Becawie me governMesit had not provided it with the means of movement. It was sot the fault of the gegen', bat the government. (Hear, hear.) Nothisg sufficient was done for the purports of making the troops an army, because the troops wero not an srutPuldees they could moms in the field. (Hear.) Consider whet our position would have been if the army had Wu able to move. You had more than 120,000 troops of the allies in conjunction with and stippol.d by Austria; sod what would have been the effect of • move ment on their pert? You would have had Bessarabia; yea would have sommenced the campaign from the Dniester and the fint movement would have placed Odessa and Nicidai older your feet. Bat, however, it was deter milted to seed the expedition to Se bastopol. That nap-ditton involved two conditions both total to the efficiency of au way. One was, that it was quite impossible to send • *efficient form of cavalry or a sufficient quantity of animals to suable the army to move. F,,r this reesoe you have sewer been able to follow up your victories with decisive offset. II you bad had a sufficient cavalry force, the via tory lathe Alms would probably have destroyed the Russian army. If you had had tb• woos el movement, yen might have eat off the retrtett when Mentchikoff was crowing the Balboa What hitt,' position of your army at this moment? You have the worn to it, but you cannot move it in any di rection ; it cannot advance; it is placed in • puction in which it cannot obtain any decisive success, and it is platted there by the sot of the government. (Hear, hear.) It is the govern ment I seettse for pl.c.ng it in such • position. Imy no thing of the indieetetien of seudiou an army acmes the se• at the time of the equinox in 400 vessels, without suffi ciently reconnoitring the place Of ascertaining what the amount of defence might be or the number of the enemy's forces to meet you. I sea only say, that if any general had ventured of his own authority to do that in the geld shish you compelled your general to do—to attack a plea, sad if he failed in that attack, in consequent,* of W hay* had information or reconnoitred the plass —he would be taken before a court-martial and dis missed. (Hear, hear) You, the government, theis t I my, are answerable for having etlerted operations under these eircuntstatteat. I will not go into the impolicy of the expedition. Even if you had destroyed Sebastopol sad eves away, you would still have no security for pew. You threw sway • great army by placing it in a most in ecavenient position, whet see a blockade would have effected all your object. (Hear.) On these amounts I say the gee vernment have not conducted the war well by placing the army in a position in which they could not obtain any decisive success. (Hear.) And now as regards the third point, namely, toe exposure of the troops to sufferings which forethought might have ed. Is there one man is the country who does not believe this to be the we 2 (Hear.) The gentleman who properly advised the govern ment at the oommenoement of the war tells you teat the _ . lass of the lives of huedrede, and the misery of thousands were in eearniquene• of not doing that which might have been done by forethought. No instructions were given to your admiral for the preparation of transports. I recollect that when I was for a short time engaged with the Duke of Wellington and Sir 0. Cockoorn in the preparation of an expedition to Chios, we did not fury t to provide for the sick and wounded. A 74 gun ship was sent oat, and fitted for the purpose of receiving the sick and wounded, although the seat of war was 25,000 miles distant Jogged of 3,000. I will not enter upon the melancholy details of the confu sion that reigned in the transport service, the Ordnance, medical department, the :eepateb of stores, and the late nem of their arrivat—the usual period that elapsed between the demand sn4 the supply being three months. Nor will I attempt to harrow up your minds, by tracing the pump of the wounded and the sick from the camp to Belaklays— who w• re canted by the humanity of our allies ; the state of destitution on shore or the horrors of the middle plunge ; or the abominations at Scutari. (Hear, hear.) All them things will be chronicled by the truthful pen of history. They are now in the minds of every one ; and it is therefore fortunately anoecessery form to refer to them. But we have allowed what has been ststed of the calamities to which our army has been exposed. And I think the opinion of all men is this, that however defective may have been the system, it is not that alone which is to be impugned, but the conduct of the men by which that system has been carried on. (Hear, hear.) To attribute any defect to the system is the subterfuge of sonsisted medioorit (" Hen, hear," cheers, sad laughter.) Mediocrity succumbs to eyvtern—ability don& sates system. (Cheers.) Piablio zeal, seconded by peblie ability, will drive almost any system into the right course (Cheers.) But that has not been done; and one of the west distressing circumstances produced before the oonunittes on Sebastopol has been to prove not so much the detests of the system ' as the extent of mediocrity which pervades all th e public departments. It is this which has led very pee. rally the people of this country to believe that it is abso lutely necessary for the future to adopt a new principle in the selections of 0g1e... .0 al tor psllo elnUP.I..b. enures yr accede to their views. It is my belief that the hest of all governments is that government which affords the greatest facilities fur the obtaining the assistance of the ablest men for the public service. (Hear, hear.) It was on that prioeiple I opposed the Reform Bill. I said it was not ealeulated to produce io the Rims, of Commons the ablest imma. Was I nght ? (Hear, hear) la the anise of Com- INN Mors distiogaished for ability now than it was in fur fit ? Rave we not been compelled to use up all the di Ems in that house—(laughter)—because the regenerated House of Commons has not Prot:aced able men ? say I un in favour of ►dmmistratire reform precisely upon the " ablest same principle. I desire to see the men in the public mein. I can recollect well, many ynrs goo, being much struck with the observa tion of a philosophic historian, who treated of the causes of the soccer and grandeur of the Roman republic. He compared an the circumstances of that republic with the deco II of other states which seemed to have and - of tunes? Bat he said ✓ MAW WM. Medea, Hot he said that the cuss of the mono of the Roman republic was this—the great virtue and ability of a few men. That was the teal secret of the great success of that republic. It is to further that object—to bring able men into the public service, that I now altogether adopt the principle which is generally re ceived at the present tine by this country. I can recollect having heard that Mr. Pitt one, said, that in the whole course of his life he had hardly been able to give three or fear situations to the persons he would have pre fared. Yet he vies a most powerful minister, a bold mind and proud maa, which is the best security after all for the Performance of public duty. (Heir, ar, and a laugh.) Yet he was so eseonspaseed by the trammels of parliamen tary government, that wits all Isis strength that was the result of his experience. What was the result of his policy? Failure in war. Notwitutandiest all the sacrifice* and ezertions of the troops, failure in military operations was the general characterises of Mr. Pitt's policy ; and that was in a great measure to bo ascribed to the action of that seer sky which did sot permit him to look abroad for the ablest mu. How different was the conduct of his great father f His disdained tease trammels, end always acted faders deafly of them. He selected as fittest men he eight led ler the Falk service. What was the result ? He restored eoeliesse to the people, and victory to use arms. (Hem) With the swam aohisved by his energy of character and p aleabefore oar eyes, are we to 'bring from the applies co ear own time. of his principles in deference to neenemel feelings sad political mediocrity? (Cheers.) Mew much more agreeable would the possession of office be to the minister who wad =stare to set boldly in that way. He would feel at least that whatever imputed, whatever may be the susem of his gownsman , he hod fulfilled the moral °Wigans he blurred in accepting otos. (Hear, kw.) But, my kids, how can we, sitting here by hereditary right which his beet conferred on us for the services of our ancestors to the state, and because of their i Muse for public employment—how, my lords, can we re fuss to adopt that principle which is the principle of our own origin ? (Hear bur.) Because my father wu a great lawyer, buses; he woe selected for his Stases, I am able to it in Ibis bum It was not great fortune, or high birth, or party merit , or favour, but his ability es a lawyer and his fitness foe office that made Mr. Yorke a lord chan cellor and an serf. (Hear, bear.) It was not by favour, but by fitness and ability as a diplomatist, that Sir J. Harris was created Berl of Malmesbury. (Hear, hear.) It was not favour but ability that raised the father of my noble friend opposite, the father of the noble viscount (Cap sing) to Aloe, and that title, which was the jut reward of the noble viscount now. (Cheers.) It was not favour, but merit, that raised tie Cecile, cad made them the ministers of Elisabeth sad James, and the founders of two gnat families. (Haar, hear.) Is it for us, my lords, who sit here by the services dour ancestors, who enjoy our dignity and sat heaven by the fitness for offices and the services of ssetellaws—it it for us to turn round and to say, it is Ina Mr musters have been raised by their own fitness, end therefore we, and our relatives with us, are now to en joy Ake. (Hear, hear.) I trust your lordship will adopt a different view of the interest and honour of this haste. I trust you will place yourself on this measles in the frost of the people, and that you will listen to the eomplainta and give satisfaction to the public feeling that now exists in the country. (Hear, hear) I trust, my lords, Juan fully alive to the greatness of the crisis in which we stead, sad that yes feel all the dangers of the contest in which we are Rigged. (Hear.) I feel myself that through this imetest, whia may be a untreated one, we may have need of aka support of the (Hear, heir.) I desire M mare that support by lag the hieing of this beam with the pablie . (Hear.) I dMee In pion the eeantry ea our ide s la eider that we may ptmid to the enemy we here Is Inellesior do impost et a tsiW people► es* that we new. &Ids a sense sad IMsessebie peaseb, i Zz a essethie s ibizlleasst =l4by the eh* et The ache end esishalled, modal Asses. b the y IVthe IdMwiss: es humble sehves be pesseeted T. swan bar Msatety of est atatimed sweet fs the eraof the just and sessesasy war fa dish her Ci Ma essesed. • bite the dame stedisatlea with whirl we have MJell petty* emusseity of emote betwesi her est thi Moweses of the French, sad bare ens astablhbed sod Masashi hatpins the heath people sal war ewe; news fitl st he Ike Paters le elm Whom well 111 te etweihwi Te owes est admire*a et the many deeds of salsas be Wit the allied tense Is the Beat have Illesiwasdibehr - brotherhood in arras, and Sc' satisfaction that the brews' army of Piedmont is now calm to participate t o m o m action sad is their fans. To dealers our perensiba chat, maid all their disappoint ments, the worn of this country still retain the generous feellegs which led them at the commencement of the war willingly to place all the means required from them at bar Majesty's disposal; that they will still protect the weak against the aggression of the strong ; and that they are not prepared to sewn that Russia shell, by her increasing pre ponderates*, so control the Turkish government as practi cally to hold Constantinople within her grasp. To acquaint her Majesty that, while we admit sad lam. at the privations to which war necessarily subjects all clams of the people, we yet venture to assure her Majesty that they would in so jest a nun bear those privations without complaint if they could feel that the war had been well ' , lndented, that the troops had not been ezposed ti any hardship, which could have been avoided by fore. thought, and that everything had been done to enable them to etotieve decisive saner. _ _ Humble to represent to her Majesty that her people, suf fering privations on account of the war, have as yet had no such consolation ; that, on the amnesty, we cannot with hold from bee Majesty the avowal of our conviction that the conduct of the war bee oceasimed g Idi satiefse non, end lives rim to just o toplsinte ; end that we must bumMy lay before her Majesty our deliberate opinion that it a only through the seleetion of men for pubic employ ment, without regard to onythseg but the public service, that the country can hope to prosecute the war successfully, end to obtain its only legitimate object —ammo and honour able peace. Lord PANMIJRE rose, and said—My Lords, after the able and eloquent address of the noble earl.l should certainly have expected that he would have concluded with a very different address than that which he made. (Hear.) That address commences with truisms which no one could ever think of contradicting; it contains coagratulvtions la which every man must unite; it then proceeds to accusations as to the misconduct of the war, and draws a conclusion which has been derived from public meetings—namely, that till the proper persons are placed in their proper position, and selected for the public service, the hope of the country for an honourable and permanent peace will never be realis.d, or to use the quaint expression of his friend Mr. Drummond, artless the square men are put into the square holes, and the round men into the round holes, you never will have things go right. (Laughter.) It appears from the tenor of the address of the noble earl that till that party with which he has now associated himself shall have turned out this govern ment and occupied their places, nothing will go right in the conduct of the war, and that no honourable or per manent peace can be secured. (" Hear," and laughter.) Looking at that address, It is impossible fur me, without exposing myself to misrepre.entation, to deny that there are parts of it to which I give my c,rdial ass-at. (Hear, hear.) But in other parts tie government recognises a censors to which they 'ascot submit. (Hear, hese.) It will, there fore, be my duty to move that this quer ion be not put—to receive it is that shape which sh:Il prove to your lordships that her Majeety's government have treated it in the cha racter which it is intended to bear, and give it their most decided opposition. I will draw your lordships' attention to the character of the address. Who will venture to deny the jesties of the praise wrich is bestowed on those often, both of the naval and military services, who have distio guished themselves in their country's cause during the pre tent war ? Who will venture to undervalue the patience with which they have endured suffering ? Who will venture to on derrote the gallantry with watch bath udioere and men have performed every duty to which they have been called ? (Hear, hear.) There is no one who regrets mere deeply than I do the ' , offerings which have evended the army in' the East; but I an not admit that all these sufferings hare arisen from the misconduct of the government, or tout they have been brought upon our army by the neglect of those means which should have been taken by the government at home. We must all recollect that when this army took the field, England bad been at peace for upwards of forty years. We meet remember th. t, during those forty years, govern ment attar government had employed themselves, not in extendieg the military efficiency of the army, but in econo mising those (femme which were devoted to that purpose. (Hear, hear.) We must remember that it was only yester day that the Commander-huChief :n this country stated, in his evidence before the committee of the Huse of Commons, that during the government of the noble earl opposite, the artillery had been reduced by that false economy to such • point— A Hosts Loan —No, no. Lord PANMURE—If the noble lord will listen to what I am saying. he will probably dud that the appropriate comment upon it is rather 't yes, yes," than "no, no." I was not seeking to flu the blame on the government of the noble sail opposite. I stilted that, during the noble earl's government, from the false economy which had previously prevailed, the artillery war reduced to a state from which the Commander-int Chief and the Muter-Gleneral of the Ordnance, during the period of the noble earl's govern ment, erected It Into the condition in which it was found seteeeeot....s., .hie (u•ter. hear.) And so it was with all our military establishments. Vilma little forese we bad were regimectally perfect, but they were not calculated to undertake great operations; and I am sure that the people of this country will make the allow ances which are necessary for an army sent into the field under the circumstances in which Mat army was placed. The noble earl has attacked great blame to the govern ment because, as he stated, that army was sent into the field incapable of moving. It is quite tree that there was no laud transport service attached at that time to the army. The old waggon train bad been abandoned ; nothing had been set up in its place by any government; and wheat the army was milled upon to take he field, it wee natural to suppose that its means of transport would not be selekiset., But I am bold to say that every means were taken to make that transport se complete es possible ; and I do not believe that it was owing to the want of means of moving forward trout Varna that that army did not advance to the relief of &Hattie. I most say that in these ress.utions I recognise, not what the noble earl would have us suppose from his speech—a we desire that the government should be ear-, vied on by a selection of the b-st men for the service of the state, without reference to their condition or standing, but I recognise in it a general censure upon the government for the toad wit of the war. I recognise the noble earl se throwing upon her Majesty's government the whole and entire revisor sibility of all the sufferings which the army has undergo** end of the position in which it is now placed. Much has been said about the state and condition of our army. I have already stated that it is well known that that army, during the winter season, suffered extremely in its position before Sebastopol. I have already stated that from circumstances over which the government of that time had little or no *Mod, there existed • deficiency if homing and a defi ciency of suptilies of various kinds, which during the last tour months has been entirely removed ; and at thismomeut ma entitled to say tha that army is in u good a condition as it was when it left this country, and teas prepared to take the field, and to carry on any operation which may be assigned to it, as it has ern been since the commencement Of the war. (Hear, hear.) It is possible Ninth. noble earl may hems doubts on that subject. He knows perfectly well the strength of his own position ; he know. also the weak ness of mine. He knows that he may make, safely and without cootradietion, assertions as to the strength end power of oar army ; but he knows, on the other heed, that I am Unable by dominants to reply to him—(hear, hear)—that I en& restrained, by considerations of the public interest, from giving him that wirer which I should be quits enabled to Fake. (Hear, hoar.) That army, from the beginning of ebruary—owing Ia a great measure to the means which had been pre visedy taken by my noble friend who pre coded me in the 'Mae I sow hold—(ltear, hear)—owing to the steps whisk ha bees tabs& by the sovernmeat which t u res... ll "r itlenedide llselbil s il , te es d r tor"4l2gtits one —crebegs. e lved fliciency aill ! roc she early net at February that army began to rid i in the Crimes hem the eases of sickness ; the hoe- L pitak hoses gesdually to empty ; and its provides. and supplies to anise with greater punctuality. Not only bu the um bees faanstaiai in noiot of efficiency, but regu larly sine the beginsieg of March it has been derides rilasesesumes ken this senate, sad from the ifediter rinses, shish bast pat it in a paid= of being more ready fur oremedess et this cement dna it his ever bee* since it mind is the Crimea. (Hear, lust.) The noble earl has dwelt freshly on the duty of selecting proper men for the MP , pines.; but dating the whole of hi. speech, and at the nowiseles of it, I could not gather that the noble earl amid gut lib heed upon a single instance and say that that den had been put in an unfit place, or in whisk he could as the severnagat of making say sake.s willch he thought It wank hi. while to disapprove. (Hen, Mar.) Whether the noble earl intended to Its this n'eetion of unfit men in a military direction or not, and has since changed his mind upon that subject, I am unable to say— (bear, hear) ; but I do most heartily congratulate the noble earl, I most heartily oongratulate your lordships' lime, that you are not stalled upon to look at the question is that septet. For I think that no more unpatriotic coarse could have bees taken—as mires more dangerous to a favourable issue to the war could have been adopted—than that your lordship", by say vote or act of your., should lead the cool menden of our anny—nay, the very lowest grades la our army—to suppose that parliament would be disposed in gay way to do them an Wadies, or to reflect upon their astioes, while they were dna* their best ensegies of body and mind to the sank* of their sesetrr. (Hear, bear.) Is it then la civil employments that the noble earl lads that improver men have been selects* for the ones. in which they have been pined ? I think, if the noble earl advanced "ash a charge, it was hiss duty at least to have pointed out in stances, that we might know the directioe* in which he pointed. (Hear, hoer.) But he has laid his head upon no one. It is reglaientfee him to disparage all pubis' man, by • vogue and mimed easertis•—(bear, hear.)—leav ing everybody to mien tam himself the instance which the noble sari skit have palmed eld, but whisk in his speech of to-' night he hen wllsolg Mod M Swhatentiate. But the noble earl simmand sense spikes in neassalen with that subject is which I easest ogees He says that he opposed the Rehm BM heave he thought that it limited the shake of good UM fee the wk. of the e:untry. He said that se • cording to the ell genstitadon, you bad men In parliament who MOM at es the busies. of the state ,• but that, eines th e pullineset had been esta blished, it had not reamed men Kul to those who presi d ed; that the piddle stpeetation had than dieappointed • and that 'skim bed •• fellers le this lessen. Now' I moan Malt that =OM Bill has had my sash east: Therese* men who have been brought forward under that Reform Bill who have taken a part, and a distinguished part, in the administration of public affairs—(hear, hear) — and I still think that the effect of that reform has been to bring forward men who are able to undertake the public business. So fare. that argument goes, I think the noble earl will lindlittle sympathy on the pat t of those with whom he wishes to associate himself on this question. But, if 1 mistake not, he went further, and he talked of the contract which now existed between the public men in parliament and public men on the platforms of this country. The noble earl seems to think that parliament formerly led public opinion in this country, and that now public opinion too much leads parliament. My lords, laman of those who think teat public opinion is right in leading both parliament • d governments. (Hear, hear.) To a certain ex tent g eat may and ought to understand how public opinion is formed ; but, according to the constitution of this country, it is my con viction that, oublic opinion, which is wholesomely formed in this country, neither too rapidly nor too limitedly, ought to lead both governments and parliament; and I for one sh old be sorry Meer public opinion taking its tone from the "'Foment, or even from the deliberations of parliament itself. 1 now come to that part of the resolutions which seems intended to cast a censure upon the government. The ffect of that censors, if carried by a vote of oar lordships' Wiese, can be but too apparent. My lords, I think this tact is worthy of your serious consideration. Three months have scarcely elapsed Circe we had a politioal crisis of per haps the moat extraordinary description which ever occurred in this country. Daring th .t crisis, the government was offered, I believe, to no less than four distinct individuals. It was offered, among others, to the noble earl opposite, of whole party toe noble earl who h-a moved this address thee formed one, at least by public enunciation. Three months ago, affairs, so far as the motion of the noble earl touches them, were exactly the some as they are now. The policy of the preceding govoroment with regard to the whole management of the war—the neglect to follow out the principles of the noble earl in rerrard to the expedition to Gallipoli ' to Constantino , ple, to Varna, and suSesquently to Sobastopol—stood exactly in the same position a. they do now. The neglect to carry the war into Asia was exactly the same as it is now. Awl yet at that time, when the government was offered to the noble earl opposite, and when the noble earl who has moved these resolutions was to have filled in it the post which would have enabled him to have cleared these diffi culties, or at all events to have acted on the principles which he aow advocates—that offer of the government was deliberately declined by the noble earl opposite (Derby) ; and I think it is hardly lair that the noble earl should now propose a censure urea the present government for a posi tion of affairs which he himsoif had the opportunity to grapple with and remedy, by taking office under the noble earl (Derby). But, I ask your lordships, is it likely to prove of advantage to the conduct of the war—is it tit, in a constitutional point of view, that we should be recurring, within three months, to a chringo of government? (Hear.) Is it desirable, at such a moment as this, that the ccur.try should be agitated fir that purpose from one end to the other? My lords, I say this is a serious question, on which YOU will do well to deliberate before strafing the res-lu• dins of the noble earl. I must say that, so far as this is a matter of personal consideration to myself and my col leagues, we put it entirely out of the question. The public must by this time know that it is no alight matter to under• take the administration of the affairs of this country at any time, mote especially during the occurrence of • meet rosponsible and hazardous war. So far as personal consi derations arise, they are of a secondary character altogether; but I must warn your lqrdshipe against these frequent charges in the administration of affairs. (Hear, hear.) I must warn your lordship that it is not upon slight or party grounds that these changes ought to he made. It is not because one party wishes to put out another that these changes are to be made; otherwise, my P.rds, the public will speedily say —" A plague upon all your party disputes;" and they will put an end to constitutional government altogether. (Hear, hear) I warn you against precipitating crises of Lois desetiption ; and I think it is my duty to remind you of the recent changes thnt hese taken place, and to point out to you the danger that may be incurred by frequent changes of the same nature. I would therefore ask your lordships to pause before giving your assent to this addreie, and rather to seek, by teiectieg it, to calm down the minds of the people upon the subject of the war, to enable the executive g , vernment to carry out the plans they have in view with reference to the conduct of the war, and to enable the commanders of our emits to rest with confidence on the instructions which they may receive from a government that has time to mature hose plans. (Hear, hear.) Above all, I would warn your lordship, upon no light grounds, at such a time as this, to give effect to • vote, the adoption of which can settle nothing, but which can only leau to grower uncertainty in public affairs, and in the prosecution of that greet war in which we are at present engaged. (Hear, hear ) The Earl of HmtritelGKE supported the resolutions; the Earl of ELGIN applied them; the Earl of WiiNGlttLerat raid he should vote fur them. Earl GRANVILLE could not concur in the observation of the noble earl (Wiachilses) that if the Russian fleet in the Baltic bad come out last year we should have suffered some atsaster. If there was one thing which he regretted more than ....it..., it was that once an opportunity was wanting to our gallant seamen to vindicate the honour of the country. Considering what had fallen from the noble earl who spoke third in the debits and from the noble earl who spoke tint, he hoped that before the new government was positively formed they would reconcile their conflicting opinions. (Laughter.) He always considered that the chief characteristic of the eloquence of the noble earl (Ellenborough) was clearness, but that night it had been a vague shrieking from coming to the question. (Hear, hear.) In supporting the resolutions the noble earl said that they could not be envied out so long as the present prinie minister made his appointment, from feelings of a personal and private nature.Tne noble earl has put himself at the head or the Administrative Reform party in this country, and by that party, and by come of the opposition papers, it had been stated that none hot those who belonged to the great families could obtain :ippeintereuts in the government; and it was intimated that they had gone back to the times when the heads of the 0 Jere?, the Howard, and the Cavendish fami lies appointed the members of the rovernment Now, he believed he was the only G over who , had any official em ployment. He was related to the Cavendithes ; but he saw behind him a noble lord who was heir presumptive to the Cavendish title, who had not shrunk in hit private ea. parity from serving the public in many ways, but up to that day had never held office. So far as he remembered, the only relation of his bearing the name of Cavendish who held office under the present government, was attached to a foreign embassy. He be -1 lieved be (Earl Granville) was alio related to the Howard@ ; but the Howard. had now become as large a family as the Smiths. (Laughter.) With the exception of the noble lord who had lately been appointed Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, he remembered no Howard who was • member of the governmen. ; and he had yet to learn that, either in Ireland or in the W.st Riding, that noble lord had been considered in any way inimical to the interests of the people. (Hear.) He had better make a clean breast of it; and in order to do so be was obliged to add that some who went before him had • quiver full of daughters who did net die old maids— (laughter)—that he had relations ow that side of the house and on the other side of the house, and be bad the mis fortune to have no less than three cousins who were in the protectionist administration of the noble earl opposite. (Laughter.) Notwithstanding all this hereditary infirmity, accidental circumstances bad thrown him, during what was a very abort career compared with the long sad vigorous life of the noble earl, in the way of the middle climes, and no one appreciated more strongly than be did their great qualities and virtues. He had seen moo of them, he be lieved, than the noble earl had had an opportunity of doing. The noble earl had put himself forward as a link in the chain which we, to bind Mr. Layard to the great censures tive rarty ; and he thought that when the no bl e earl at the end of hie speech sneered at the commercial classes, he spoke more freely his mind than he did ie the early part of his speech, when he spoke in their favour. (Haar, bear.) He thought there bad been some misapprehension both as to public see, and also as to the facility of obtaining men of business for official employment. The government lost the secretary to the railway department, an officer of the Royal Engineers, because a commercial company offered that gentleman double the salary he was receiving; and be knew a gentleman at the head of a department, who salary was a thousand a year, who had bees offered two thousand a year by a coaamercial firm. The ear bad been made to himself to become chairman of cep et the greatest commercial companies in the kingdom, an Oahe dalle Vied by two member, of the aristocracy, one a diseemileggel the Flantagenen, who he believed was doing the busiassa with great advantage to the company. He mestiessal these circumstances merely to show that men with ware eon. anted with business were not so easily to be obtaised by government. He believed it was a wall known fact that Lord Palmerston offered a privy 000ncilship to Mr. Laiegt, who de. lined it. That gentleman took high honours at Cambridge, went to the law, then accepted a clerkship at the Board of Trade, and after a short time left, is order to try his chance at his profemion, and in one year he received as professional gains exactly ten times the amount he bad r ec e iv e d within the same period in tee civil service of the crown. He was afterwards at the head of a eons inertial company, which when he joined it was almost in a state of bankruptcy, and which be teetered to prosperity, and hi was now at the head of one of the greatest railway companies in the country. That gentle man was just such a person as they would have wished to join the government; but be gave exactly the same newer that a gentleman in the City gave, that be wee tee much engaged in his business. He had at that moment a list of mercantile mess, of thatractore, civil engineer', and ethers, men with whom he would as soon transact business as any men he ever met with, but he did not think any on. of those men would be foolish enough to give up their oodamerelal career for the temporary occupation of political ones (Hear, bear.) did not mention these cireansatesees because he though t there were not persoae who might be made available or the public service. He did sot agree with the noble earl that there were not men in the Hewn of Commons who might be fit for office, but he wished merely to correct the misrepresentation that the offer of oaks bad not been made. With regard to these resolutions one of his objectless was the impressions they must peados,. He remembered the noble earl opposite saying that secrecy was one of the best means of mow is war. Some groat commanders had thought It right to go beyond ethreey—to exaggerate the importance of their_poeition, and to cogent any defects. They all knew th at Buda was as great an adept at this, that she dictated tl-t-r-t;;7".""bea,,a,_ staple when she bad only 2,400 men. One of the eese._" . " l. commanders—Cherie* the Tenth of Swedm...da, eta iwn commanders to tell him the truth, but telt. to ail th e h i the world. Washingten practised the same sate hag enjoined his officers to do so. The Duke of Walt; 414 adopted a different and a more honest system ; secret ail that ought to be concealed ; but when he a il , palled to speak, ne spoke the truth. But we had gee s beyond this. We had done that which no other an :_wr wuuld have dared to do ;we bad—to use the useu r aZitil foreign writer—held ourselves on the o,,rattel table, and exported ourselves and o ur d , to the whole world. (Hear, bear.) Beer y defect alleged—sometimes trim, sometimes' 'l ag sometimes aitogetner untounded—had b een n an - t , every paper and in every speech in and o ut of pale.. aall 04 4 611 ,,_ and had beea rung through Eumpo, Asia, sal Amstly Now he wa. not sure that this had been altogethe r a vaut-le. He believed that to a great country ta w Ea d proud of its resources and relying on it, strenga ~211414 liat. Da wa n e , to sooty such stimulusstimulus to COrrret the y f it T u omission and of commission which had happened at tta gaining of every war we had entered into, aud ventured to say, would happen mono. But he sekaltakt home, if thee were to continue this abuse of then s a a . after the facts which warranted it were camp M s changed ? The whole effect of these resoluta*. after compliment. , to France end Sardinia, which they woolr • value, because they knew why they were paid, wia nounce to the world that at the begionine of the warped* had shown none of the queetheatiene neeeohry for , success of the war, except mere Wawa' valour Nat s word was said in them abeut the exertium sat our Vie, which had conveyed ta the seat of wart hundred tb oasssd men, English, French, and Sardinian ; not one word cau kt use of modern inventions, by which the Reseals el* allied armies bad been enabled to inform their gurersr a within hall a day, of their +outland their m. ata . N ot . ; word was said *eat private enterprise, in the farms*, a t Ora( railway whica bad been or each signal servcs ; aat word about our auceetsful /ending in the C. lanes, nor ash the *doubted facts stated by private letter., by Pantie disesteems, and by the correspondents of oewspapers, tat there never was an army engaged in u campaign more perfect state Chad Was the English army it this moment. (Hear, hear.) He thougot it as worthy of their lardships' consideration, what dm would be produced by their passing such resolutions tease Wnst effect, for *ample, it would team ups Roe*, would play the game of deceit to the* moment. Would the passing of these me lutions iodate her to corns to terms of peace ? On the other hard, if she knew hitter tbaa we did, and knew our army to be of formidable cnarac;er, might she nut propose terra. of past e i whica we ought not to gm* to ? And if we Old &greets them, what would he the effect on other c.aiutries Weald they not take us at our word, and b e li eve that we we n utterly destitute of military organisation? T ne noble lord had thews more c eufidence in the tams he sn ou al suggest than to the milicery departments. He suggested opera. tlier,raiilnitarßyterropeab;:ton of Aust r i a ; bot, and in G eorg i a. Theot ions had i desired li ired Sl moat as they valued the Austrian alliance, they did not think it safe, or becoming the dignity of the flatten, tom* all our miatary operations depenelent upon < en operation of which it was impossible for us to be certain. (Hear, hear.) And these resolutiens, being advocate by leading members of the conservative party, would hare the wont effect abroad; but it was not the lint time that the speeches of the noble earl bad worked that effect in these countries-- them, hear)—and that was shown by the eagerness with which they had been tracslated by Russian agents in Get many. (Mere.) It was teen sisal more laapottant to cos eider what affect the passing of tate.: resolutions would ttave in France. Ho did not wish to deny that there arm a grew peace party in France, and the tanks of that patty bed been swollen by the greeter part of those who opposed the present gave rumen*. Peace of itself ma so great a blessii g, that the advocates of peace always have considerable argument in their &rota ; but the principal argument now in France was that they were embarked in a war to which they sent three Frenchmen for one Ecelieh. man, and in which Feance had no intere,t at all, but Eel land a great interest. That argument was to him perfectly uoin•elleeitle ; fur ho did not see how it coda be oho* that France had no interest, and &gland all the interest; bow it was that to France, with her NI. d.terreuean in. terries, the war was unimpocant, was to him perfectly un intelligible. The mily confirmation of this argument WM to be faund in other speeches of the noble earl vibe hart spoken first that night; and having given that argument to the oppusitiun is France, be proceeded to neght to give them another not less cogent. He knew that notate lords would my that it would be an encouragement to France, and not a discontagement, if* j energetic government replaced one without energy; 'out I could the noble earl guarantee to him, or the Free& But. peror, or the French nation, chat the passing of the tewlu- I Lions would enable the world to see a modem Chatham, who would infuse that energy and spirit into our public I departments that would ensure immix ? (Hear, hear.) Could he ensure him tram the danger of France feeling that she h* embarked in a war allied to a country "unstable as water," and which changed her administration every two or three years; and he believed that this consideration ought to weigh with noble lords, even thoagh there were much more truth than existed in the resolutions. There were LiA...imui peso:dents for such a motion. After the battle of Ilenheins, else yam after the misconduct of the war had been ly commented on in parliament,' all these comments and alleged miscarriages did no: pr. vent the glorious victory of Ramillies the year after. Their lordships would not forge: the despondency which existed at the commencement of the administration of the Earl of Chat. ham, wed* did Rot, however, prevent a most brilliant vic tory; and after the battle of Tal ddresse s came in from the City of Loud At arraigning the conduct of the duke, end speeches ware made iu parliament predicting his army being driven cut of the peninsula in three menthe, but that did not prevent the most glorious success soon after. He knew that success was in the *ads or Providence, but be thematic it was not too much to express a hove, after tao glorious landing in the Crimes, the betties of Alma and of Inkerosann, and after the army had recovered from its distresses, that there might be some great encase in stare for us, notwithstanding aoything that might have been said in that house. (Hear, hear) This did cot dimioi4h tee responsibihty of toe house, and he begged them to consider whether it was tair ' just, or pro dent to adhere to these resolutions, ttliteniuttsly 'Lon& con trived to catch votes, but not to promote soy one great national eibje-t. (Cheers.) The Earl of DERBY said he agreed with the noble lord in the disappointment which be had experienced at the speech—the grandiloquent speech as he thought, but, as he (the Earl • f Daby) termed it, the able sod statesmanlike speech—of the noble earl, so entirely at variance in its ten dency and character foci chat the government had anticipated. Re was well aware the, if not by the noble earl who had just sat down, at least by his colleague and thine who acted with him, it had been industriously and sedulously circulated throughout she town, that it wee the intention of his noble friend ante theme who acted with him to make an invidious and unseemly attack on the con duct of our gallant troops and their commander, and he knew how much that had been made use of to induce their lordships' house last to sanction an attack made on the con mender of the forces, which would paralyse their efforts end do the grossest injustice to men engaged actively and ses• lously in the service of the country, and he knew not if those feelings might not have bad their effect, if in the whole course of the speech of his noble friend there had been a singe word, expression, or gesture which could be distorted into such a meaning. (Hear.) He understood the sneering exp eeee ion made use of by the War Minister congratulating the noble earl on having prudently altered his motion, and having adopted a form of expression that i would not violate the feelings of the country. The noble lord had no right to throw cut such an insinuation—(hw, hear)—for his noble friend had said, not only that night, but in the lost session of parliament, and almost on every occasion when this matter had been brought under the consideration of their lordships' house, he bad constantly abstained from military criticisms on the conduct of the war, and on men who were discharging their important duties abroad, and he sought act to thwart them by the fear that they vomit. be made the subject of invidious criticism in that house. In the Ant place there bid been no ground for the insinuations that had bees so freely thrown out as to his noble friend attack ing the army ; and as to the government, he congratalated them on their ingenuity in endeavouring to connect the conduct of the government in the management of the we with those gallant led distinguished men. (lieu, hear.) The resolutions which hail been moved by his noble friesd had been ut.jected to, because they mutilated cf a series of truisms. Were they a aeries of truisms? No doubt it was a truism that the house viewed with sincere gratificaticat the community of counsels between her Melte) , and the Emperor of toe French ; but he did not concur with the noble earl opposite, that the expression of that gratiflcatioa by the Huse of Lords would be regarded in France and England as insignificant. (Hear, hear.) He spoke with confidence of the great sympathy which bed sprung up between the governments and the com manders of the allied army 00-operating with accounts object in the Crimea, said he would not omit the apple' city of saying it, for he believed it was only justice to the noble lord, the commander of the forces, for nothing could toad more to our advantage than the moaner in which that noble lord had conducted hiaaself in all his communications with our allies. (Cheers.) He dwelt on this, for he felt all the injustioa of the remarks which hod been masa reference to his noble friends the commander in chief, as the commander of the fortes in the Crimea, and if then ha been snob an inference, he hoped that he need not say that he should be the last:man to support it. He need heel, remind their lordships that it was upon hie recommendation that her Majesty was pleased to call to the command of her army his noble and gallant find. He need not mention the high esteem he had for the military qualifications of Lord Raglan, for he had moe. riten not only that he should be Master-General of the Ordnance, but also that his signet merits should be rewarded with a seat is the assembly which he. had the bocce le address—(hmar, hear)—end keying recommended that win! lord to her Majesty on those coomfoes, be might rattly appal tothebireelon th e edahl last pe lad LW the in country country tocia untrywhothir he i 2 inWollosingd net have