The Express. — London, England, 1850-02-06 00:00:00

IhiI'ERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—TVISDAY, Fa. 5. TM Low' CILINCELLOU took Rb neat at 6 eats& PETITIONS PRESENTED. Plume WU TO AOIICOLTUII.—By the Deka of RICH MOND, toga the canary et Rntlaed, and Roo Rents, In the county of Clare; by Lord CLIN lON, horn the comity of 1) von. .tiAn.rl by szt, re than 15,000 wow ; and by Lord ISDNERS, ftoat Ledbury, Roes ; end the neabbout- Reed, rpodei by 1,076 penal; ia farm of protection to apticalture. REGIS' RAR'S OFFICK—BANKIMPTCY BILL. Oa the motion et the LORD CIIANCILLOII, this bill wee Teed • seenod time. COURT-MARTIAL ON LIEUT. GRAHAM AND MR. ELLIOTT. Lied BROUGHAM wished to all the attention of Me hob!s marqui, opposite to a subject on which he desired to ask a question. It was with Tempest te two meet utdottunate young gentlemen Lieutenant Graham aci Mr. Elliott, • master in the navy, who wog fried and convicted by cunt inertial for desertion, and who, in addition to the sentence passed upon them, were declared incapable of ever evils serving her Majesty. He wished to know whe.h.r it was the intention of the government to extend mercy to them) They had been tratafirred nom etc ream to mother, and be believed wcra mew in the Qweet.'s Bench. Up ,a • full consideration of the cane, he telt goof:Jest thatjustiee would be done to them. (Hear, he. T.) The It•reptis of LANSDOWN E bad no personal know kelp of 'lb master, but would make itquiry of the Past Lord of the Admiralty. CLERGY PROCEEDINGS BILL. The Bishop of LONDON awed the first reading of this bill, wh , eS nai rearrence to a court of appeal in suits insti tuted egtuist the dagy fier Hooey and Wee doctrine. The ul knot: app.- al teed lobo to tie high court of delegatee,but that having b. en toned facocentiens, it was thought peeve, in the early port cf the I tot t4l”ion t • substitute the judicial committee .4 the print c..unete That tribunal, however, w...t to: pftp:r one in qaestions of church el th moh i tgra be is Mar. is of tact. There were many of the clergy •td lathy of the chafe. who felt their con , cienoes buz.hurd by the loos 'Alps a' the Let =at questions upon natters alf erg oar ho'y religion, and ihvolving points of false doeff. , ,e,t..:tdd be refund to such • tribunal. It wee sot I rovid 4 that any of the I reates of the church should sit cn tOs- c maim.; an: as s t b .ppeas that • msjurity of ly melobenh who wma'sl hay, to decide such questions, might Ise doeentets. This hOl cuntained a clause which, he hoped, world to tome measure remedy the evil, constituting a new *Abend of appeal in all cues of heresy and fake doctrine, el a purely etc:leek:sties) character, consisting fee we an lent. cd the right rev priiste) of the . rchbishop and prelaa s, ar l whialt he wisl.ed ti submit ti the can ful Num ot *he noble ant learned lord oa the woolsack. A simil it hi 1 had teen considered by a select commi tee ot their 10-reships' how, • and be cal , proposed a slight slteration in ts , e present bill ; and be could sans. thin I....ni.hips thst the qt•sticis was •no which in vowed the e..fety and propetity of sane of the highest in tern*, in toe constitution. (Hear, bear.) The Attl,b4hop of CAN TERBURYhoped the bill which bed been laid .-tt the table wouid ts- arrkd into a law. It aim flight be tatisfeetery that questi,:nt of doetrii.e should be sabmitsei to lava ; they ought to be considered only by a tribe'? .1 cal.:stied or eeale•rories, end such would he the mew anus or the tribunal proposed by the present bill Ltd BROVOHAM highly appetved of the bill. He was at a Mitsui -, and only heard the echo of the arguments in the ease of •• Gatti' e. Bishop of Exeter ;" but able meo ws which would relieve the judicial 0011•Iiitta from the considi rearm of' inch ca:es would he beneficial. The noble and !tamed lord pointed oat the anomalous position cf the court of d boats abe libel fa the last taiga, and con tended that tea judicial isemisittee was an improvement opts it TM LORD CHANCELLOR said it wu not tumid to dis• anss the nu r 43 of 111319 on their Ant resdinz He would iteo Ms but attantics to the subject, and on the woad nabs. expeas his opinion, but beyond that he could cot Ingizyttilag 'mint bill W3l then read a lint time. MARRIAGES IN SCOTLAND. lord CA NII'D LLL hid a bail on the table for alteriog the lay of tauriogo at Boatload. The 1141 a ABERDEEN bad thought it Lis ditty bet Klemm to eppose the toll 01 the Robb mad hearaird loon, bat be es mitred to the peacoat extent the eons laic% ar.d he should be most usUes to sap. port say vas asur- haying in view the correesiwi of what he admitted to be the evs:s a system. The greatest evil arcs. frau the e evading the law at England, sad to thst ez.:at he wool joie is say reformation; bat he did not wish the tv.b:o and l: arced lord to improve the sal u candi ha if tioot:onsl. Toe prop:* of that caw. were r,v.i.tl. 1 with their law of marriage, sad in hie opinion it w o t.t. hie t s the law of E,phiad. If he could g.t the sappcit of • '• urble sad Isms. d lcrd be would tiet.elf in troduce a hill to remedy :he evil he bed refereed to. Lord BROVOILAM thowtht tint ruck a meaning would sot go far • w. a. but as 4i as it went ha would give it kW am% co-dial ippon& RAILWAYS. Lori MONTEAOLTiImTrarei that the Milroy "stars sedated to be laid Won the bosses this 3rd of May In the lasts. Nits, end which bays out been as vet produced, be made ; 16. d also for certain further returns reap eP 'Swap ; aed at the same time to put • question tu the Vare-Pr, elek of. of the Board of Trade rupee:jog the intro duction of • bill for VI! Irtlir audit of railway involute. He held it t• , oe r -.st fair that wbta a eszapany came bef ore Path. want to se k new or additional powers—ants for in stance as to raise an theresaed asemat of capital—it was the duty of PITIISIMISE to inquire how the power which they already bolt hod been exercised. and hew their capital had been Issue d. (Hear, hear.) lie would, therefore, con clude by wore, for " a r. turn of this shares cf capital of every MN, ;In the Gaited Kingdom, and that such be laid before the It ei 4—remise to the order of the 3rd May last —together sink a det of the railway rampant." whose re turn' to sat . ender had nut yet been received." (Hear.) Lard GRANVILLE, who was scarcely audible, could as no objectini to the motion. It the returns had nut been made, the teialt WAS t,,at of the government, bat of the peruse themselves. D...ting the recess the government had resensidered the question of audit bills ; and should railway elear-Yeiter. not came forward with a Mil of their own, or should the hal which they might bring forward be not satis feet ry e he was in a paeidoo to stets that government would be prepared to or in the matter. (Hear, hear.) Earl I Z WILLIAM was understood to censure the ors duet of railway direstors,owing to whose malvereation of the !ands, in inn.; lutes s, depreciation of railway property had taken pace That m detention had had the effect of depreearg ill railway property ; and, in addition, the facili ties affoseliol for their constrrati,n had canted the country to lee saturated with lines of railway. In his opinion oath Ham of reilwq as should be proved to be not yildieg • poet shou:d ant b • rated to the relief of the poor. Toe Duke of RICHMOND said that if that principle were to hula good, few !semen in the country at present should be rated. (Laughter.) L BEAUMONT izguired if it were the intention of revealment again to introduce the bill of last session, which not bee it pr weeded with, to enable comp es to wind up their affairs? He inked the lushes in order that —ea the eta jest affected many important interests at that monsea•, and several parties were extremely anxious about the initttr, their money being locked up in specula tionr—the intention of government might be declared and suidentood ; and tbtt, at the same time, attet,tiou might be Balled to th- fact nf the difficulty experienced by the owners of Lad throuah which lines ef railway pawed In ob'aining what he conceived they were justly entitled to—namely, the right at preemption, to recur, them which, he thought, a special clause thqul.l b • introduced . Lord GRANVILLE was understood to ray that the government intended, at an early stage of the session, to Introduce a bill an the subject. Their lordships adjourned shortly after half-pest six o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TIIYADAT, FEB. b. The Smut ER took the chair at a quarter to 4 o'clock. NOTICES OF MOTION. ___ _ . AOILICVLTURAL DICTITU.—Mr. DISRAELI, on that day fortnight I move fir a committee of the whole house en the goer law. Tilt MAXIMO Chastiss.—Mr. SLANEY, on that day fortnight, to move an address to her Msjuty preying for the appintmese of a permanent unpaid commisuon for pro moting the ',Weie of the working classes. PCNIbIIMENT Or DZATIL—Mr. BRIGHT, tomorrow (Ws div) to move for copies of all the memorials, addressee, =times, together with the number of signatures sp to them, which Iced been mended to the govern• mud is law UT of Margaret Hamilton, remedy executed at Olsogow ; also for similar copies and returns respecting the omelet Cbarlotto Harris, convicted at the Bristol Assizes, together with a copy of the verdict of the jury in each we. THE POOR LAWS, 111. DISRAELI, arcing the right hon. gentleman at the head of tie poor law board in hie place, wished to inquire when the r port of the eoramis,ioners on the operation of the law ? of settlement would be laid upon the table of the home Mr. BAINES said that the report was in the handsof che right h n. gentleman, the Secretary for the Home De partment, aid would, he believed, be laid upon the table either to-night t r avarow. In answer to questions by Capt. PELHAM, Sir 0 GREY stated that papers woald shortly be laid before tLe house with valuable iaformatioa, on which a bill would probably be founded, on the subject of pauper settle. runt and vagrancy; and that the government has no 'atm tion to lo . roduee any mnuaree for facilitating the sale or caching* of estates In England and Wales, or for borrowiag money of real property us additioa to the statutes that had very ' , calmly bees passed for the purpose last mentioned. - - - ENCUMBERED ESTATES ACT. la reply t7illr:ilanutia, Sir 1. ROMILLY raid it was sot the Wootton of the atolls's, to betsr is a bill to mood the Irish Esembered Rastas Act. RROISTRIVTION OF BIRTHS, &c., IN IRELAND. Mr. BADLEIR bogged to ask the noble lord the Fini Wig the T whether it was the intention of the se hadere Raster a bill to provide for a wildenstios of births, deaths, and marriages is tsem ikprovide foe Wadies • better . system of vital statistics 110 UMW . a , .ti. ~~' l ii ta i l THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 6, 1850. Lied 3. RUSSELL replied that • bill was in mem of preparation, and would be istrodueed at the milled risible Inassonth OBSTRUCTION OF LIFE IN ILUALUSH UNION. To gee...ions pui by Mr. Sonora, fla W. SOMERVILLE, Is the absence kingallel deem meats, entered thito some e.planatlons toot the alleged deaths from starvation and inormsed mortality in the Eilrusb union ; as well as the general state of 'embarrassment sad disorganisation in the affairs of the said union. TRNAN r RIGHT. Viscount CASTLIIREAGHt alter reforrip g to remit digurbanois in the county of Down, inquires wat= bill would be ietrodueed to define the renal as of t aid tenant in Ireland ? Sur W. SOMERVILLE said that such • neemere was in preparation sad would be presented the few days. IMPORT AND EXPORT OF BULLION. Mr. CAYLEY oleservid that on referrieg tatheamiptlon returns, he found that the list of the imp 'rt and export of bullion had bees excluded. Ho wished to sak whether there was say objection to bullion being included in the lir.? Mr. LABOUCHERE raid, that he feared it was quite impossible to give the export sad the import of bullion into this country with any accuracy. Although there were public' returns, a greet deal pamed through private heeds, ad it would be quite impossible to give an amount of the Fold and silver that came in and went out with any accuracy. SAVINGS BANKS. Sir G. GREY pompoms!, o e the part of the Chancellor of the Rube gain, who was suffering tram indisposition, his motion fee emendieg the law relating to savings larks till Monday next. ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION. Mr. BORMAN said It was not necessary to state what the ecelesiesticel commission was,—we were too familiar with its character, we knew it to be a very important responsible b...dy ; that it was charged wit& important functions, and trusted with the administretion of tmmeese • we keew there was scarcely a county in Mislead in whic h it did not exercise some contra over large ester a; there was not a parish in England in which its intermeddling might not affect local in . ernes; and, ia short, whether as regarded the temporelitie a of the church or the most sacred interests of the people, it wielded a ;ewer more vast and re spontible than had been held in this country 'lengths reformation. It was incumbent on parliament to donee Its character end regulate its operations, and then take every precaution against possible abase. It could not be denied that the duties of the commission were art on additional and ecclesiastical dignitaries. It was mani fest that one set of duties should be discharged, and it was a matter of necesity therefore that choice should be made between those incompatilre duties. Conviction was gaining ground, the people were persuaded that the more eczlesiastie el dignitaries confited themselves io the spiritual duties of the church, and less meddled with secul urconcernr, the bet er, and this cossistion was daily becoming more matured amongst all claws of churchmen, end upon very cogent grouwis, for there was one party when was extremely anxious for the creation of mere bishops. They said that with the present numher of bishops the work of superintendence must of necessity be incomplete • for the duties to be discharged were beyond their stre ngth ; bat them parties, earoest as they were, were beginning to see that prelates were absenting themselves from their dioceses, and giving up their time and attention to secular affairs elsewhere, which laymen would administer fir bet ter. It was obsious that the deficiency which arose, not se much from the deficiency as the neglect of spiritual duties, would never be accepted by parliament, as on argument for supplying the deficiency out of the church's fund. Then there woe another party, ard he owned himself to belong to that party, that melt still higher ground than to procure the snuaremect of the estates, and carry on, through every district of England, the alliance of the 'unctions of ecelesi.stics. It was not a bishop's first duty to be at the service of the table. Leaving to other men the grosser affairs end intricacies of worldly business, he had chesen a field, that of spiritual lever. Conscious of the responsibilty of his high Mike, and devoted to its melted duties, he ought to be familiar wAh the commis of every parish, cognisant of the character of every clergyman, supplying all he wanted by his own energy, controlling abinee by his vigilance, en eminent' all that was good by his example, to live as a father amtngst his people, spreading around him an atmosphere of 'imam and religion. Seth, in its early days, was the /beech's maim of what a Christian bishop ought to be. Such th. y had been, mach we should wieb to see them again, and to smelt it should to toe earnest desire of every tine Christian to eadeavoar to restore them. But there was a third party, perhaps more numerous than the others, who concurring with the ethers is the character of an ecclesiastic, fortified their opinion by reference to daily . experiease. They re leered to the ecclesiastical amanitas as i existed, which proved its iocommtency to dischage its duties; to the evils which had resoled from the rroteediugs of its dig ' Muria% to the discredit of the church, and upon every ground, whether of reason or expellees:es, es re garded the temporal or spiritual interests of the chetah, they protested against a continuance of a system, of which the pecuniary lose to the church, was slight compared to the position in which it placed our hierarchy before the people. Wnen *plea pal funds and common feuds ware first established by act of parliament, they were placed under the administration of episcopal boards, because it was mid more confidence would be in ane.' to the church. The boards, which could not be un mindful of their origin, and the purpose of the sacred fund, expected that under cmacientious keeping, every talent presented to the common fun 1 would bring forth 10 talents for the advantage of the church and the ear- TICS of religion. the deletion hal vanished. Instead of being intrusted to the safest keeping, instead of sonlidenes being imparted to our prelate s, our confidence in them had been destroyed, and there were no men so pain. filly maxims that the shot, of the episcopal bench should retire from the ecilesiastiral asnesission, as the body of the irgrisis clergy, who bad bums conscious that the presence of digaitaries to the board bad redeuctled neither to their own credit or honour. Same of the beans of oar minim. int COMOSOISiOIIerr were still hardened—they were yet determined not without a struggle to forego their grasp upon the church's goods, sad therefore he was compelled to ap. peal the reason, to the justice, and to the sense of the pubic and the authority of this house, and wit them to give him their attention fur a time, whilst he showed, from the state sent. of the Ecclesiastical Comminoners themselves, what wee the system of management they had carried on, and how far they had jutified the confidence which had been reposed in them, and how unressonab:e and how inde fensible sad anwanantable was the claim which they now put forward to be permitted still further to abuse both the interest and patience of the pubic. The Beelseiastical Commission had its origin in 1838, teat was to say, • previous commission of inquiry, in 1835 and 1838 had been issued, which bad made repels and submitted certain recommendations upon the question of our setheisetical establitheeents, and in 1836 the tame committ ee& was continued to carry out their own recommendations. That wiz the origin of the present commission. It consisted originally of 13. The smallness of the number gave great diseatistution in certain quarters. The Bishop of London, who was a witness before the committee, Pangaea great cause leased for the dilate:unction. He stated that, there being only five of the episcopal bench members of the contraiseion, it was not considered an adequate representation cf the church ; but the people thought bow great was in power, bow convenient were its opportunities. This commission was charged with great powers, not only as effecting in great matters the interests of the c hurch, but in small matters affecting the in of the bishops in para. nds!. All questions very materially affecting the interests of existing bishops were ruled by them. They had to decide what future bishops w. re to pay money to the ecclesiastical commissioner., who ought to receive it in each case, and how much. They also had to say what prelate was to be par- 1 mined to sell estates, what prelate was to be allowed* build palaces, and how much of the church's money was to be given for these purposes. In short, there were e thousand things materially affecting the comforts and conveniences of the commissioners themselves which were ruled Oulu-els by the board. A seat at its fount cause to be looked upon u an important thing, it was one of the great prizes of the church, and excluded prelates saw a small portion of their body drawing praxes whilst they stood out side locking on in blank astonishment. An signallers was got up strewing themselves, as regarded the things of the abureb, as free traders. Whether that version of the story ware correct or not, of this fact there code be no doubt, that an agitation was got up which waxed very fierce and eery krandable, so that at the last the minority were compelled ID gee s way. The doors of No. 6, :Whitehall -place, were =tand the whole of the bishops entered. Oaly three heta an entrance, and they had since been purged by 'plumed superiority. The commission now was altered le ee mingset. Formerly it consisted of eight laymen and the esimitiat. Now there wen twenty.nine eccluiasties to dos Wists. In fact it became practically an ecelesiseti mi beard above all ecclesiastical hoards, composed only of OM NEW of eccluithies ; the parochial eler v ey and thedr 'ons were not at all represented at the board, saw the result in the proceedings whisk task piess. Poor pastors were left leall starved; the poesecetheigations were left untaught, the whole of the sum of the Church Treasury Were squandered on the pastes sad other luxuries of tneir mitred rulers. Aei if to make " month eon worse ethfoundee," sp ecial pens were taken that there should be a permanent chairman. The rale was that the commissioner highest in rank should always occupy the chair until a kigner in rank came, so that the board was often con stituted under 'junior bishop. This was going on until the Archbishop of Canterbury came and jumped over all their heads. If such a rule prevailed in this house, how was its business likely to prosper ? And yet this was considered so wise a regulation that it was actually em bodied in their acts of parliament. Under this areas the despatch of business was not particularly well carried on. It was found extremely inconvenient to carry through mat- tees of detail, and therefore they determined to expedite 1 business by referring particular subjects to select committees. How was this determination curled into effect? When • ' select oommittee wee appointed in this house it eimented of ' a very limited number of persons ; the inquiry was ear• ried on by the members of the committee only, and all personal end pecuniary interests Weft specially excluded, bat the system of the Ecclesiastical Commie= wee directly the neerse. He found by the rears la the ap psaGu that the average attendance of the booth was 10. Hew meayaseasaittees were appointed to carnet this large thlelthalete of 10 ? They actually appointed a committee of 211—the bet amanfittee that sat consisted of 23. The de tente committee for the distribution of fuels molar Peel's Act was 20. The Episcopal Immo Committee consisted of 14. The Finance Committee cothieted of 13; sad of all the numerous committees that were appoin'ed, we did not hear of a single one of which the neaten were not greeter than the myth* it. I Nadeau* of the board which they were intended to correct- This was only the beginning of inanities. ; the farther we went, the more absurdities we found. With them, when.l ever there was a charge affecting a particular bishop, he was homed with a porthole' summons to the nemaattteo. He net ealp attended at their dedbentioas, bat was at liberty In Minsk sad to WWII, as if he ware • nissabee of the enthittee. Every member of the episcopal berth might WWI say committee although not nomiaated apes it, sad tithe week on any 'question equally with the other ntem- We So that anthem might b outvoted by the members elf the *moped board, who wen not named spot it. The Mem of St. Awash had the merit of bevies them se gem to to enable any bishop particularly coavenant with die =ee attend and diva both the deliberations Nth the ef the committee. The sectary to the ethelelththe V o l what way this was dice, He eeld ft ton Matter of arrangement between theneftelves that= May took up any question he bed • and e es he grapbically expressed it, worked it ,through the semunittee. He mast say that when the pastieul a interests Ole many persons appeared to have been concerned, they did appmer to have worked it through is a meet extrema nary manner. He doubted whether, in the days of tautens, the working was more pp.eM istly carried on than it was at the board*: the Beeleslastleal Commission. tin ter such a eye tam the house would not be surprised that the Onsiaess of the commission was not particularly well transacted. They could not but be prepared for carelnesses,ineempetence, peculation, and waste. What did the house think of large estates hi fag sold without a valaation—lerg• estates bear sold without the common caution of a ninety ? what did they think of important works being executed without deliberation ? Surveyors, solicitors, architect', and others were em; eyeri without any stipulation as to their remuneration ; thee, of ' course, chars .d what they liked, and the consequence was that payment was in every case disputed. He believed that down to the time when the Feinusittee reported no settlement oe th ese eggamem had taken place, and, although a deep: rate attempt was made to have them arranged In anticipation of the report, there wee no evidence that it had bun or could be accomplished without a further sacrifice of the church's money. He considered that such management of so sacred a fund was worthy of the severest censure. Remember they were not their own funds that the commissioners lavished, but the treasury of the ror that was wasted and exhausted. (Hear.) But it was not 11l cessary for this ease that he should prove palpable maladministration against the esomatissioners, ell he wasted to show was that the amount of their attend ance was not sufficient to give them the requisite knowledge of their duties. it was said of the bishops that they only attended when a matter affecting their own personal interests was under discussion. No doubt ins great many instances that was true ; but in any came the attendanee of the majority could only be occasional, and it naturally dwin dled into a merely interested attendance. The right reverend members, in fact attended only once a week ; and it was utterly impossible for them to acquire a sufficient knowledge of their duties with such an attendance. Indeed the Bishop of Lendos had car dielly told the committee that there was only one man who practically understood the business, and that was toe secretery, who had become in reality the whole oommissien. (Hear, hear.) He felt that an apology was due to the house for having talked so long about the competition of the ecclesiastical commission without having made any reference to its most important functions. It was right that the house should know that the commission had a secretary, or rather that the seeretary hen a commission, for he was, to tam, the sun around which the bishops , like so many inferior planets, re volved. (A laugh.) It was not ego et rez mew, but eqo et episcopi noes. The secretary did everything—opened letup, wavered communications, arranged orders in council, pre. pared acts of pariiement, and selected all the subordinate officers end empfoycs. No bishop could get anything done for his interest until he had secured the Fete" offices of the secretary. Did any one of the right rev, commissioners with to alienate an estate, the secretary manoeuvred the order in council. Did any one want a new pe.lsce at the expense of the church, the secre tory provided the cash. Hui the commiesion got itself into a scrape, the secretary was called in to " make things plea sans," and if it was necessary to mystify and bamboozle parliament as t s the amount of ezelestatical revenues, the secretary "cooked the accounts." (Loud laughter.) Was there en important debate in the liousa of Lo•ds the secre tary culled the facts for the Archbishop of Canterbury ; and if an awkward question was expected in the House of Commons, it was the secretary whose duty it was to prime the Fame Minister. (Loud lau t ehter.) He (Mr. Horsman) could state from his own experience that he had never asked a question in that house on the subject of the ecclesiastical commission, without seeing in the Court Circa/ea of the following morning the usual anneuncenunt, that the /MO tary to the ecclesiastical commission had had a long interview with the prime minister in Downing street. (Luigtiter.) Wh there was a chance of plunging the commission into litigation there was a general muster of the clan Murray. Secretary Murray stirred up the dispute, Mr. Knight Murray drew up the pleading', and Murray tennis appeared at the bar in his wig and gown as counsel in the cause. (Laughter.) But it was, perhaps, hard to blame him for calling in to there the profits all those en whose affections he could rely. Such conduct had been the fusible of great minds in 011 &gee, but the real charge was—had he plunged the commission into expensive litigation for the benefit of his relations. It did not appear to him that that point bad been fully and fairly investigated by the committee, and he thought that those who might take the trouble to read the evidence w Add c incur with tins in that opinion. But the secretary was a most fortunate tune tiontury, he found friends when he did not know them, and his virtue was rewarded when he least (musk d appreciation. It was wont that the secretary of a commiesiou should he appointed during pleasure, but when Mr. Murray came be fore the committee ho astonished its members by the an sou eminent that he was not the servant of the public during pleasure, but held his appointment for life. (Hear, hear.) And so it turned out, for in an act of parliament paned in 1840, respecting cathedrals and collegiate churches, and which had no MOM reference to the office of secretary to the commission than it had to the beard of the great Mogul (laughter) a clause was introduced, uniting the effic.s of secretary and tree surer, and conferring both on the then secretary for life. (Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") Who mnnaped that extraor dinary clause nobody could tell. The Bishop of London, tee next in authority to the secretary at the board—(a laugh)—could give no account whatever of the transaction. The secretary himself was as innocent as one of his own babas. (Continued laughter.) The idea of making his ap pointment permanent had never h'en mooted at the beard, nor had It ever occurred to a singie commissioner, and yet then it was. The weeds had been flipped in in the House of Lords in one of the latest stages of the bill ; but how it came there, how introduced, why, or wherefore, remained as mash a mystery to the innocent recretary as it was to te e corn mithesen and all the rest of the world. (Hear.) Up t that memo he (the secretary) remained in painful ignorance as is who was his unknown benefactor who had taken it into his head to male the office of secretary to the E telesiutical Commission a clause in a bill for repairing cathedral and unseats churches. (Hear, boar.) Bat these were small matters. He now came to one of a different character, to which he begged the attention of the house, and especially of his hon. friend the member for Montrose, and if his hon. trend's hair did not stand on end, he was not the some man as Irian he first entered parliament. This connstesioh, en trusted with enormous funds for the most sacred purposes, took no account of the vast amounts of which they were the authorised recipients ; for from 1836 to 1845 they had no knowledge, exercised no supervision, asked no qui lions respecting the sums that were paid in or out in their names. (Hear, heir.) This fact had been stated by the secretary himself before the committee. He said that during the whole period alluded to, all monies were paid into his own private account, and all accounts were paid by his drafts, and this without the control or super vision of any party. If there should be any balance at the end of the year—and whether there was or not could be only known to the secretary—that was to be paid into the Bank of England to the suount of the commission. But it turned out that there was no balance whatever. Between the extravagance of the commission and the dexterity of the secretary there war no fear of that, and so daring the whole period the en tire funds of the commission remained in the hands of the secretary, without any kind of supervision whatever, and these funds which thus pawed through his hands could not have amounted to less than one million sterling. (Hear, hear.) Such was the system which prevailed from 1836 to 1846, and no thanks to the commissioners that it did not remain until 1850. In 1845 a new system was established, but the public owed that entirely to an accident. It hap pened that in that year a parliamentary return was ordered of all parties who had subeccibed to railways for sums te n:Win 2,0001., and the name of the secretary to the Eerie siestas: Commission figured in the list for the sum of 580,0001. (Hear, hear.) That extraordinary feet was brought under the notice of the commissioner, and then they appeared for the first tiros to have had their attention drawn to the extraordinary and uncontrolled power which the secretary had over their toads. (Hear, hest.) Then it appeared that another mode of receiving end making payments was adopted, but its adoption was owing entirely to an accident. But even of it' elatedness he had his doubts, because although new checks were adopted, still if they were left in the hands of the secretary, it was make obvious that they must be wholly useless. He prayed the house to pause and to consider the Immense injury to the church which such a aptem so long and so uninterruptedly pursued must crews. Let them consider what thou funds were and what was their destina tion. Those funds were intended to be a great national provision for the purest of all national purposes. Parlia ment had been roused to the conviction that they had long been lamentably neglectful of the spi ritual condition of their rapidly encreuing population. The danger arising from the uncultured state of the wild muses of that population struck them as being a peril and a reproach. The conscience of the community was awakened. The neoessity of making a great effort to renews, reclaim, and unite the gailliou—to rescue them from infi delity, and win them to Christianity—war universally as The darknue of the vast heathen loathe.'" became the text of many a sermon and the theme of many a political speech, and clergymen of all denominations devoted themselves to what appeared to them a pure and holy achievement. The osier-tiring seal of the dissenters added to the excitement, laymen stimulated each other in the good work, and even our busy merchants gave their time and money, while many numbers of their :amities rejoiced is SIN opportunity of devoting themselves to the lofty mid labo rious calling of winning the stray sheep bark into the fold. (Chan) Our clergy toiled with redoubled vigour, our bishops handed round the begging-box themselves, epti while others multiplied their gifts they multiplied their exhortations. (Cheers and laughter.) The effect was hare- I dible. Daring 16 years more was done for the spiritual &deacons:teat of the people than had been done for a eon tury before. Churches sprang up in many district' as if by magic. The character of whole neighbourhoods was changed, and accents of prayer and thanksgiving were heard where previously there had been nothing hat blasphemy and profanes'''. Well, the bishops having, by their ex cam of zest, obtained the guardianship of the toads, acted as U the souls of the whole stadia were no more than dirt in their estimation. They tilt the whole Our to their own sober- dleatir, without one of those cheeks which any man :Ima m= hang tre esnansost sense would be ashamed to dispels' t with la the management of kis affairs. The house would not be earprised that from suck a mode of earrying on business the anal eoneequenees should flow. His history of the Be cleolutioal Commission was now happily drawing to a elms. It was not as agreeable history to a ehurehrnae, bat ea the eontrary, (Hear, hear.) He bar now only to Mate two additional fasts, which would complete the caw. Invite, and which every practical peons would antic pate as the consequence albs ill-advised emaildence which had been bestowed. Thew facts were very short, but in their character very decisive. They were these. About three ran ago it was notified to the public that the commission was bankrupt, and about three menthe ago it formed out, through the wual channels of communication, that the secretary had run away with all the money he could lay his heads on. (Cheers and laughter.) These events appeared to him as a meter of course—in fact, at necessary • sequence as the happy union that wound up the novel. The last untoward event, the elopement of the below d ae cretary, created immense consternation in the episcopal councils of Whitehall, and not, he believed, entirely without the shock bring felt across the way in D nrning-strfet (Hear, hear) But the public had only an Imperfect know ledge on these points. The circumstances to which be had alluded had been kept as secret as possible. No 'outgun to the secretary had been apt ointed, not even a vacancy had boon declared; but the public papery told tht a. that levee sums bad disappeared from the treasury, and that the se cretary had disappeared along with them. but -to detail, were given. (Hear, hear.) And here he hoped he might 'be p emitted to oak the noble lord if he would give the particulars of what had already been ilea perfectly made keown through the public press. Or perhaps the right hon. gentleman opposite could giv necessary information. He wished to know whether it wis true that the late secretary to the Ecclesiastical Commiesier had left the country; whether or no he had created a de cation in the funds; what was the mutat o that defales tinn, and whether ray steps heal been taken to recover from him or other parties; or, if all recovery wee hopeless, whe ther the Ecclesiastical Commissioners bad asked to be allowed to make good the deficiency oat of their own purses (Laughter.) Now, all the circumatane s which he had sated, except the last, he had taken from the evidence given before the two committee.. He ha 1 taken it from the evidence of the commission' rs the maelves,or of p• none in their employ, and now roe hoped the house would allow hiss for • few momenta to draw attention to the character gad coieth tution of the parliamentary committee. The oomenittee was, he believed, originally nominated by arrangement be tweets the mover, the govcrumtnt, and the eockeiattical commission, and he believed that when it was first ap point. 1 , it was granted with two cent:intone He spoke without positive information and uceer cuirection, but be believed that at the time of its aepnintment it was granted on two conditiens ; first, that it should be t..kee without die cusaion, and next, that the list of memeer. a totten should Ise submitted to the Archbishop of Canterbury, and approved of by him. On the first point he 'poke with dad: cm-, but on the ercona he had reason to beihere that 1.0 was correctly in formed. Mr. E. DENISON was undotatood to say that the hen. member was wrong in both. Mr. 1101ISMAN—Did the hon. member mean to say that the list was not subaeitt d to the Archbishop of C tater bury. The tint point was immaterial, but as to the second, unless he heard a distinct contradiction in that home, he must pullet in believing that it was correct. He spoke, however, under correction, having no certain know ledge. The committee, as he had Were said, was named by arrargentent with the Arehhi pof Can terbury, and he believed also that the eccleeiate *lett comininion, or litmus acting on their behalf saw the mimes and were parties to the nomination. But whether that was so or not every ecclesiastical commis sioner in the house was placed on that committee, Charges were brought against the commission, their proceedings were to be grounds for inquiry, and five teclesiestical cone missioncts were named as judges on an inquiry into their own preceediogs. (Hear, hear.) He stated tress lams as h, ing most important. The right hon. member for Oxford University wee also on the committee, as well as the noble lord the member for Hertford. There were two cabinet ministers and the chairman who drew up the report was brother to a right reverend 'notate. In short, what he wanted the house to understand was that the committe e was composed of men of the highest character, of greet importance and influence in that house, and also le isms who, it anything, were lavourebly digested towards the commission. If it had any bias It mast have been towards the commission. That committee conducted its enquiries during two session., and then came to an ueanimoua report, condemning the manutement of the ecclesiuttcal commission, and recommending the appointment of paid commissioners to take charge of the temporalities. The committee recommended the appoint ment of three pain commissioners. The tight hon. gentle man who generally took charge of ecclesiastical bills was not present, but he took a very !siding part in the discussion era the first occasion, and the probability was that if he bad been present on the second, his vote would h tve bet n given for the paid commission. The house would tow, he ho; id, allow him to • xplain the particular object of his motion, gad also the view which the committee took of the question. There was this point of difference : The friends of the commission wisbed for one paid commis sioner, and the committee recommended three. The effect of the apptiettnent of cue paid commissioner would hue been to give the right rev. commissioners more power than they had at present, became the paid c. mmisaiener would absorb in his own person all the responsibility. The view of the committee was, that if they appointed three paid com missioners they would practically 'upends the ecclesiastics' commiraionen in the management of the temporali ties. One would not—three would. (Hear, hes.r.) This, therefore, was the difference between the resolution he moved and the pr .poeal of the commissioners. They wished to retain the power in their own heeds, and to appoint one paid individual, on whom the responsibility under themselves should rear, while he and the committee endeavoured to supersede them in their power, end to have three paid commiseioners, on whom the responsibiley should be cast, as in other public departments. This also was the object of his (Mr. linesman's) motion to night. He begged, in conclesion, to move the following re solution :—" That a committee of the house, to which was entrusted an inquiry into the composition and management of the ecclesiastical commission, having unanimously recom mended the appointment of three paid commissioners for the management of the property under the commission, it is expedient that effect be given to that recommendation." The resolution having been seconded and put from the chair, Sir G. GREY rose. He stid be thought the co position of the commission, consisting of a large body of individuals acting as a Jody, without individual responsi bility, necessarily led to the irregular performance of the business cf the commission, and to the placing in the hands of the secretary a greater share in the transaction of that business, and an amount of respo: situlity which neither his official position nor th i importance of the duties of the com mission justified or warranted. lie was, and ha 1 always been prepared to concur in any reasonable proposal for an alteration of the composition of tha COMOII4 , IOU in this respect, and the hon.geutlemao, in alluding to the bill whket had been brought in, as he said, f. ur years ago. but which he be lieved to be less than three—(hear, bear)—the object of which w s by a paid commissi n, whose concurrence should be neceuary, to cineentsate the business in the hands of one responsible and paid commissioner—that bill met with con-iderable opposition, and on that ground and the lateness of the session it wee abandoned—his hon. friend the member for Ma/ton (Mr. E. l)snison) had elven notice of a committee of inquiry into the composition and manage ment of the ecclesiastical commission ger.erally,and his noble friend (Lord John Russell) seeing the opposition which was offered to the bill, and the desire which obtrined in the house that the whole affairs of the comeniiision should be in vestigated by such a committee, abandoned that bill, acquiescing in the proposition of the hon. member for Melton fur the appointment of • committee of inquiry— in alluding to that committee, and speaking from his (Sir G. Grey's) own recollection and knowledge ot what occurred then, and of the reconimendatien to which that committee came, he must take leave to contradict the two assumptions put forward by the hon. member, that that committee had been appointed on two conditions—the one that there should be no discussion on the subject in the house; the other, that the names of the committee should be in the first instance submitted to the Archbishop of Canterbury for his approval. (Hear, hear.) This was the first time he had ever heard of any such conditions in connexion with the ap p Antment of that committee, nor slid he believe there was any foundation for the assertion that conditions were im posed beyond the fertile imagination of the hon. gentleman. (" Hear," and a laugh) It wits thought to be for the con venience of the house generally that the motion should not remain on the paper,leadine to the expectation that the queer don was to be debated, when the intention was not to pro ceed with the bill, but to agree to the inquiry by a com mittee, ani accordingly his noble friend (Lord J. Russell) consented to the appointment of the committee with out direnuiin. The hon. gentleman was fully aware at the time of the course that was taken, anti the reasons for it; but he did not then sugg'st that these was any unfair dealing in the matter, as he now insinuated, by which the committee was to be packed, and all discussion stopped, and he must say that he thought the suggestion on the present occa-lun was unnecessary and uncalled for. (Rear.) The secretary had, it was true, left the country having been guilty of defalcation in hie Gaming' to the extent, he be lieveil, of between 6,0001. and 7,0001 , but measures had been taken to recover as much of this back as the property which had been left by the secretary would cover. He was glad the hon. member had raked the amount of the defalca tion because be believed very exaggerated reports had gone abroad on that subject. Only yesterday his had been asked whether the amount of the defalcation was not 70.0001 He was happy to sty it was nut 7,0001., he be lieved scarcely over 6,0001., a great portion of which wooln he recovered from the property the late secretary hid left twilind him, to secure which and make it available proceed ings had been taken. The hon. gentleman next said that great secrecy had been observed, and that an endeavour had been made to conceal the matter. Ile (Sir O. Grey) was not aware of any attempt at cones altnent—the fact of the secrets , ' having tibia iuded spicared to tie pretty gene rally known, very many qua lions had been pat to him about it by various parties, and so far from the conunissionen having desired to keep the affair a secret, he believed they had taken immediate measure' for • full investigation. /Chess.) But, said the hon. gentleman, "they have de • dared no vacancy in the °Mos." (Hear, hear.) The reason why no new appointment had been made was simply that it was not intended to fill up again, in one person, the joint office of secretary and treasurer. (Hear, hear.) A bill was now before parliament, which, amongst other enactments, went to repeal that clause in the former act, which he agreed ought never to have paned—(hear, hear)—which had coca- Mooed such 'Maid end iaseaysoisso ; and until polite meat hair ergemlefellee of considering whether that clause ought awl ashengstalall.me Lew appointee. at would take place in the mookisa. Da the hon. goodness had imputed unfairness In the Weed= of the committee. The hon. gen tleman said that that committee was composed of a majors y of gentlemen favourable to the commission, but bow was that consistent with the fact which the hon. gentleman ad vanced as the ground for his present proceeding, that they agreed to a recommendation adverse to the commission as at pretest constituted ? And when he referred to the chairman of the committee as having been the brother of a prelate, the hon. gentleman omitted to state that in the first year in which the committee was appointed the chairman aas not his hon. friend the member for Melton (Mr. E. Denison), but the noble lord the member for Tonnes (Lord Seymour). Mr. HORSMAN—What I said wee, that the chairman who drew up the report was the hon. member for Melton, the brother of a prelate. Sir G. ORSY—In that the hoe. gentleman was undoubt edly correct, and he (Sir G. Grey) had misunderstood him. Bat he must altogether repudiate the motive that in piecing the boo. member for Halton in the chair of that committee, there was any intention to prejudice the inquiry, cr that the report, though certainly drawn up by that non. gentleman, did cot express the unanimous opinion of the cemnsitee, Adopted otter full inquiry and full discussion. (Hear, hear.) Then the hon. gentleman said the committee recommended the appointment of a separate and distinct board, to consist of three paid commissioners, to whom were to be refined all questions of property that came land, r the cognisance of the E-ole,tasticel Commission. That ass not his (Sir G. Grey's) understanding of that recommendatior. (Haar, hear.) ee hat the committee r commended, a]ter full consideration of •he evident, was, not the breaking up of the commie sew, but • change in the competition ot the commission, and that af me tureber aillif/PJA of the du'y should take place in order that the eceleeriastical liminess should be sopereted 17001 the management of the propert) ;and while tome larger bo.iy, competing the present commitsion, might he retained the c niiateratien of great principles and important miestions amerce d with the church and its itoverument,te the smaller body (the estates committee) should dee Ave all matters rat teeing to the manrgement of the property of the ceramittion. (Cho to ) Teat three paid commissioners should be tip. pointed—two to be no-recited by the crown end the other Mr the Archbishop rat Canterbury—who elven i consider all questions of proeerty, ar d une of whom %Lamle' attend the quertim of the g 1 heart when such questions were itie u , ed. The recommen ‘ation was not to supersede the conemi -ion, bet obtain better manse , mete! of the levees; end the reportsof such a committee- riming infers the commis• shiner. with that weight white attached to the nommen. eatiou of men who had given their undivided attention to the subject would have their due weight. (Hear, heir lie di i nit wish, on the present occasion, to go into the qu. 'Oen whether there should be three or two rid e en nideentere, ton be would not anticipate a du-msion, which entail not be properly rat, red upon until the :till was biters them; but when the measure should be properly under din 'maim, whatever its provisions neght be, it would be open tor the hen eentleman to take the sense of the house either evilest its prineieln or aey of its details. (Hear, hear ) He :carcely kiiew weather he was justified in offering another word on a matter personal to hinmelf—(e-ar, bear)—and really be was ularet ashamed to alliele to a wetter which war rent property before the house, though referring in some measure to the subject under CIISCUV6OII—he spok ed a lelter which the hon. gentleman had addressed to his own constituents, in which ho had thought proper to make a ens ohs, rvetions in regard to his conduct in this matter. He was glad, however, that the hen. gentleman had not thought it tie:me ry to coy in the house whet he had con descended to state in that letter, in which he had charged him (Sir G. Glee) with disingenuousnesi, anal wine of honour, end deception. An the hon. gentleman had not repeated the charge in his (Sir G. Grey's) pretence, he thiauld not think it neee•stry to reply to it. (Hear.) He C'Alla not well answer what had only appeerrd in a n :we paper, for he was not 'Killing to be drawn into a newspaper! controversy. All be would - say wan, that every one wh a read that letter must know that the hon. gentleman had drawn largely on his own imagination in clementine scenes which never took place in that nous*, in pestieg any measure pro forma through committee. (Hear ) Mr. HUME thought the theta bon. gentlemen had coals cd his reply to mere trifling, whie4 was cot worth noticing, pawing over altogether twee abuses which were charged. and ought long since to have tarn redressed . (Hear, hew.) No less a sum than 123,0001. had been applied by 'his commission to the benefit of the bishops, and only 93,0701. for the use of the poor clergy and the magmentetint of small livings; though it had been shown is that house teat there were 20,000 werkirg curates whose incomes were only 80s, a year each. (Hear, hoer.) They had abolished sinecures in the army and the navy, why showed they be permitted in the church—why should not the fonds set Apart for religious 'aerates he applied to thew purposes, cud not to the enrichiee of bishops end cleri cal emenoiset ? Mr. AGLIONBY promised some valuable information to the hence whenever the bill should be brought down for die- I cusiion. He defended his hon. colleague (Mr. lioremen), who hod been accused of untairne se by S.r O. Grey, and dt - pre ee tea an ley persoaalities and harsh mitt uctien light - worded phrases. Sir 11. WILLOUGHBY slid he was hog semi cf opinion that the composition of the commission was dangerous, fur the facts which transpired during the filet sittings of the committee ahem', ently proved that unless some steps were taken very serious mischiefs would arise. The fact that the secretary was closely and largely c nnectel with railways. and that he was also connected by family with solicitors had ] tome out clearly, proving that it was possible for mischief te follow from a mencaneciou entrusted with so Liege a mats of property, and that it was the bounden duty of use he use to , place its general management in a safe position. (Ilea.) Sir ft INGLI S was not there to defend the Bcclesiutical Commission. Ever since its institution he had opposed it. He had alerayslrevarded it at a great viteation of the rights vested in the rectors and pastors of parishes, not by the liberality of the state, but by the liberality of private indivi duals, and he apprehended it would be difficult to find any property better guareete - a th an thee possessed by tho s e holding ecclesiastic il prehrmeats. Bee he should be ashamed of himself if he set there, and heard such language as the hon. member (Mr. linesman) had addressed to the house, believing it to be utterly unsubstantiated in feet, am'. did not ri-e to give it an indignant denial. The property of the church was es much its own pie piety as the property ot any individual or corporation, and its duties to the poor were similar to these which each individual memoir of society owed to the distressed. The hon. member alleged that the ecclesiastical commission had squandered and exhausted the funds entrusted to it. (Hoer, hear, trom Mr. Horeman.) The hon. member repeated the allegation, but he (Sir It. Inglis) denied it emphatically The treasures of the poor bad not been entrusted to their hands, and therefore they could not have exhausted them Then, with a figure of speech, the hon. member endeavoured to leave the hoes: under the impression that the bishops were ready to put their hands into other people's pockets, and not into their own. The fact, however, was, that in order to institute the bishopric of Manchester and whether that was • great or • small boon, it had at least been asked for by the great body ot Manchester churchmen, the Archbishop of Canterbury, now deceased, the Bishop of Locdon, happily still living, and the late Archbishop of York coc tributed sums which in the aggregate amounted to 2,8001. a year. lie asked his right non. friend the member for the University of Cambridge, whether such an act as this had taken place ? and, if it did, then tee bisho - s were not men deserving the sneer with which their conduct had been treated. (Hear.) Tne boo. member had drawn a powerful contrast between • primitive bishop and a bishop of the present generation. Perhaps he would draw an equally powerful one between the lite of a primitive layntaa and • modern one, for the primitive Chretiaes had set us an example which it would be well for us to follow. In the altered constitution of society, however, there were diffe rent ranks end different duties; and he defied t!..0 hon. member to produce • simile year in the history of England since the country had enjoyed a constitution, in which the bishops had not held a prominent place is the first estate of the realm, and in which they had not property of their own that they enjoyed with as muck freedom and security as any layman. Mr. E. DENISON sail that as he bad moved the appoint ment of the committee, and as the committee had done him the honour to request that he would draw up the report, he had, perhaps, fallen abort in his duty in not laying the whole ease before the house on a prior occasion. It was one of great difficulty, magnitude, and importance. The go vernment, ,1 however, hod agreed to take the matter into their own hands, and he believed that he ] should best accomplish the object in view by, Laying I the conduct of the measure through the house to their proper guidance. Two questions had been addressed to him in the course of the debate by the hen. member for Cockermouth (Mr. Homan) These were—whether there had not been a sort of bargain that the motion for a committee should be introduced without a discussion, and whether the names of the committee were submitted for the approval of the Arch bishop of Canterbury. The right hon. baronet had already' captained the nature of the bargain, as it wee called. The only banyan he (Mr. Denison) remembered about it war this—that he said at the time if the house would grant him the committee on the day named for bringing en his motion for their appointment, he would not occupy public time b going into the merits of the case. He should have answered the second question with a most positive contradiction, if the I hon. member for Cockermouth had not come to him and asked if he did not recollect something having been said in the lobby of the house about refer. ring the names of the committee to the archbishop. Ile (Mr. Denison) would not say positively that nothing of the kind had taken place, but to the best of his recollection nothing of the kind had ever owurred. With these otwerva a necessarily forced from him by inquiries made on both aides Otte house, he begged to conclude, trusting from what had occurred that the hon. member for Cockormouth would not think it necessary to press hie motion to a division. Mr. 11. MANGLES remarked that his hon. friend having done him the honour to consult him from time to time as to the mode by which he could best promote the object he had most sincerely at heart, he AIWA be allowed to say that in one must essential respect his hon. friend had been entirely misunderstood. lie meant with respect to the con stitution of the committee. Now he understood his honourable friend not to speak at all disparag ingly of that committee, but he spoke highly of It and argued a fortiori in support of its secommendatlons. His hen. friend said here was a committee composed of sninieters of state, with a chairman who was himself the brother of • noble prelate, and he said if these hon. and right hon. gentlemen had any prejudice, they must be said to have a leaning towards the commission. He said the committee had reported that it was absolutely necessary that three lay commissioners should be added to the Emir statical Commission, on whom the labour and respoesibility should mainly fall. His hon. friend, the member for the University of Oxford, had dealt out hard measure to his hon. friend the numb .r for Cockermooth,whcm he believed t o s., warm a friend to the established church u that hon. gentle. man was. They might have different views as to the pr o . mulgation of the goopel. The hon. member for Oxford might think the end could het be answered by givi ng large revenues to the established church. He wi t sure his bee. friend was not for reducing it to a stipendiary con di tion, but he was for increasing by every men s. the efticlency the working clergy. He believed that on these views 1,, bad not only the sopp,rt of the gnat body of the working clergy, but he had the ancorrerce and the outdata of the large mejority of the laity 01 the established church. Mr. HOUSMAN then rose to reply. The hon. member Tor the Universi'y of Oxford bad asked if the bishops Cite not proprietors of the funds now at their disposal, nil s were ? Hie answer was, that they were not proprietors, bat smit e " It was not the property of the basts , ps, but of the church of the people at liege ; end the clifforence between the Isl e baranet and him was, that the hen. baronet coosirterei• We bishop' the masters of the church and he consideng them its servants. He must say thet the ilAht !VL and the mg mbar for Holdon had shown considerable nese in endeavouring to lead tie house away from tl..e y sot The hos. gentl.men said he Mated the commis-Ulmer. sweet into the commission with thus intention not to jutiu. Now what he said was this, calling on the rouse ohurve the recommendatu at of that committee, fs rid observe at the earn • time how the o..rnmittee was They might say "Oh we do notal..ed to a rep stt, be rep .rt of a very hostile commits. ; they er rs men chosen from one side, one Fury. and thud" t. committee di es not cur. teat weight wlio.h 4 committeo would." With respect to the 'notice, t. e government had given good reason for tits not prepiniki , Sanas he gave the notice a bill on the rabjett hul dosed iss.o the othi r house, and therefore he had • ouliamentary ground nut to premed with ps‘. notiun. Tne motion was thin, by leave, withdrawn. TRANSFER OF REAL PROPKItIY. Mr. DRUMMOND obtained liar.w bri• g in a i, facilitate the transfer of rial prnpuriy. LIBRARY COMMITTEE. On the motion of Sir R. It litmus, the f hers were eppointed a standing itoractitts. Bpeaker in the direction of the library, and at be referred a/1 mitten rilating theist.: Sir R r laglis, the Crane :1 r of the Ercnericir. L sell, Bir flnbert Peel. Mr. Oualtittrii, Mr. W. the Lewd Aden:ate, Viseintat M•Los, Mr. 8,1.. r, Mr. Pentanes, S r Widiatia Samervill Milan, Mr. Glwlstime, Sr, David r J . sad Dlr. Clive. _ _________ ________ BANKRUPT MEMBV.:9. Mr. MOFFAIT moved for and ob•amrl I. xre t, • .. in a bill to amend the law rtlattrg to bloarni. the lion= of COMM All. to veca.e the ..e..ts imlcr ~.• insolvent members, and to tecilitate the recovery from such =emboss. The Lill ern afterwards brott;ht in awl sew, a hr.! ,me. Bic G. GREY said, after the exinsio o! tn.) 1.4 sloe, h- could not pledge the gorerr.m.u. to Lupo rt tc raewiure. _ . LIFII ASSURANcE. Mr. W. FAGAN Wetzel 1.-ae,, , 0 hrlng it: a *Alt policies cf inroararee trai.ovhlv si :ate, t • other amen,lments in the law restive thtraio. The ! afterwards brought In and reed a first tint*. Ting ARCTIC EXPEDITIONii. Sir B INGLIS, in moving for re r :a7;nv expep:ition, thinned the govertionenc ~r already done, and urged tn. mto resew withat.: . eft' irts to discover and relieve ttc gallant soy 2 , r commended the division of tee next oinsarni vessel., and the employment of steamy:. as t to aid in the search. Mr. ANSTEY proposed to rend out on rap. de., chi. fly by b..ate, witn a vessel as pone d'at i m needed logien rmsons far the beliat '• t th, . prosecuted with 'ha greatest charm of MICV.• , a' • • Btfatt'e Bay, beime.n Smith's SOUTI Channel. It was advi‘able that the Me:: -a.l should be offered to ony whaler that reiz..: trace or ind.catiin of the tate of the masir.z shit. Sir F. T. BARING, wlio was very ieupee. , the gallery, said it had been hie intention cot ;, . • opportunity of stating the course tho 4ev:;am,.. to pursue In this matter. As time pre-sed. an.l c w sary that government should decide, tic. . upon Bosh to despatch an axpediiit n by 'learn „.•., and it was the lot.. ntion of gay. rernant to str.:l a• lion in search of Sir John Frat,kLa by t.e •• r we understood him]. He thought it w him to deli r entering iato the details of the ri•,,:e ment elopt, and that he should state it be laid before the house, becalm the Liqpi:s But he razureel hon. gentlemen that s.• of theee propositions tad brcn sube.ir . government, who had paid every ett,uii (Y course, on a subject like this every one En: . jest ; but it would be the ondravour of A:- adopt that which they really baieved would .• • lit the purpose. (Hear, hear.) He thnuxh. Bete that in an expedition of this nature tat pt, u• wild nit be a considermi in in We siighta (Cheers.) 01 ea the the time might uni.ru•-, • • when they would no longer have • right t.••• risk ti. • mania such a search That had beet to him a• . con.ideeaticn; but iron the opiaioa of those who s••- able to form an opinion, he trusted there still s' ' hope es jestifiad the government in • measure wrica they fairly and properly con: I • to render assistance, if veal° —at any • to ascertain the fate of their unfortunate countrymen. (Cheers.) It was not for the putt • • nautical science, or for the extension of grograpmei. ledge, the Importance of which he biped he alit a r rate, bat solely for the purpwe of saving I. e. • a xpedition was abort to be undertaken. (C. e r.. I .1.• • &S possible, the papers of , lag the details of t:.e r expedition err ult. Ira laid en the table of the hat.t hear.) Allusion hat been tittle to tt . .e si.ata••,:e r. E.: foreiin governments: he ought to add that •la Majesty the Emperor of Russia bad moat itird:y chaffy ) .iven every assiitanee in his power, a-4 hi 1• to every r, quest which h ;4 been male to him by thi.: • west. (Hear, hear.) lie was also boutd to Hudson's 11. y C-ce parq had tot only aacedad to I. - sentations white; had been mode to them by the A tn.. , • but bad voluntarily undertak• a whatever they thou.c . :: . lay posibility tend to throw ,ight on the caiwana es;:. (Hear, inlet.) As to the papers now morcd I.r, a discretion must be allowed to the Admiralty so t ,- and mode of press rating them; and he had no Z.tu'r , exercising that dist:renew. they should meet the w • the house and of the right hen mover. Mr. WYLD thought that esp-dl•i ins sent by the . encountered difficulties I lot the set of the curry' might have been avoided be the adoptitnt of nor plans. He believed that Sir J. Frankfia was rill eat. where near Melrille's Sound, and the search would Ice prosecuted from the land side. Mr. HU bl E said the right hon. baronet (Sir F. bad mentior.ed the Russian government ; he wish:.. if efforts had not also been made by the goverannnt . United States. Sir F. BARING was understood to say that n communication bad telt n place with the Arnfli: . meat on this subject. Hia statement only ha 11, ...• those quarters in which the government had otfiz.a . ..) for assistance in promoting this object. Sir R. H. INGLIS said ha would not allow the nx:. mined to without expressing his gratitude to the r.: baronet and to the house, for having concurred so the suggestion of another expedition being sect cut of Sir John Franklin. The motion was then egreei to. COUNTY EXPENDITURE. Mr. M. GIBSON moved tor leave to Ming establish county financial boards for the awessinr of rates, and for the sehnlnistration of county es; Ragland and Wales.•' Mr. FREWEN seconded the maiden. The SPEAKER was about to put it from tie e'a:r nnepplied motion, when — Mr. DISRAELI taunted the hon. proposer of tie :I on having changed his mind as to the pressure of ts. which not long sine he had declared not to be any of the occupiers, but only of the o:wes of the lan silence observed in introducing the bill he chtesctel suspicious. Mr. GIBSON would not be provoked into a • - • ' Ixech. It was the favourite doctrine of the eo,. that the interest of landlords and tenants was an • • • fair that the litter should have a voice in the of their common property. Mr. NEWDRG ATE said the am,unt under t!...• of the seiniions was so small, that it was not w trouble of over.etting our present system of count rs • Mr. 'LURE argued the question en priaer:e. theltsl, the i.mount involved was between 1.06‘.. 11,000,000, which the hen. member opposite uemea nothing. Sir R. INGLIS recommended the governin u..• waste vsiusble time by:allowing bills to be brought *h bad no ehenee of being pasted. Sir G. INLET drew a distinction between btlis government were resolved to oppose up in a second!. and thou, ',filch might in some meanie prove • present measure the hon. baronet appeared to COM • second category. Mr. STAFFORD said that members oppositeacie. sog hot and cold. The question was that or the the Le na, which they now considered a matter of the tenants, though they hod been wont to deel.re t., lord as the appropriator of all bent tit from shy reit- Mr. AG LION BY Milne to the rescue of his e declaring that his measure said nothing of the bud. rr Wpitten, but demanded that whoever they were hi • *sees some control ever the Expenditure. The Dif ! :.• he added, formed the worst tribunal fur tas•levy.rz., country ; they were not elected, had nu •sjoyed no confidence with the public. After a few words from Sir 3. rAbIINUTON• Mr. FRIIIVEN referred to the county which h . , itate seated (S a l as • proof of the present mischsei.Eip the county ez;ieniliture. The rate hot t here doe tweets 1834 and 1813, and was still increasing. Sir G. GREY, captained that he was not ri.lo, withdraw all control over the coun ty cep inns fib a O, body. Leave was then given for the hill to be bgenflbt Rum', Colonel Lindsay, and Mr. S. Aida. It w • Beds brought in, and read a first time. PLURALITIES. Mr. FItEWEN, in moving tor leave to bring . 1 ! amend the law relating to the holding of beno..o 14 3 7 1