The Express. — London, England, 1855-05-02 00:00:00

IMPERIAL P, would take plum is ..-- lt wee proposed to despatch Vieille?' of DERBY—I h, boos gailty of indiscretion intela informed°. Clondlstor.) Lord PANIIURB mfosin t ito give details lord. • lank.) Al' lag to morner la .- wm publidtmloow-o-days , lb, speedos di•Millnittl of oar arm.. sot he poelliarosk le in omporata capacity, • rotarmair tib Morription. These ?stunts were gas rally oohed ter Mit Ms map Mdeseod eliciting explanations from the rrnmememt oodt so the mils lord had jest draws from !pl midi lord the Goamealerto-Ohist; Red he Mood, re, that the sable lord would be mtialisd wittiest his mottos any fortkor. TM govocomeett Mi on. a its service every available Mean tramos" het Me a her was still so Midmost* tarn they had hem esm Bed to despatch to the mat if tsar sot amity • pedalo of the cavalry, but even • mega of the infantry rein forcements. (Hear, hear Tb• Earl of ELLEMBOROUGH hoped that the very earliest possible sensation of the sailing of these naval?, reinforcements would be conveyed to the Comminer, Gear Zitotberwies the ofle horses which wets le Iseregtesed perish foe wan ts forage before Mop mar mot the File lt should recollected that our MOM were Irk' yla the desert. They must depend for nastosamo es' ly upon the supplies tent to them ia Me dip Lead it was • aosaparmively sem tt.ing to mom Mel dm i Men, it was very difilcult to keep up the supply of feed he I born,. Thaws ressforceme no would,therefore, make a maims addition Mtha duties of the commissariat, sepeonally snoops bad jut limn taken to supply what ought to have been Wag ante. it pewartul lead transport corm for the perms I marelti a tt army whenever It was thought necersary. He fore. that information would be conveyed to . OMMinery /hider by the earliest possible means—by ••data hisorreph. (Hear, hear.) Lord FANMI7RE had takes care that there should be me lack of forage. He hod given directions that so much pre ' minder should be lauded with the troops that there midi apt he soy ormihility of failure. (Cheers.) Lord VIVIAN then withdrew his motion; and in answer te a question from the noble lord, Lord PANMURE stated that he bad that very day seen General Searlett, who had just reversed from the C I and that excellent officer had put down the sionber if Illa cavalry sow at the seat of war at 1,300 men and 460 wan. THE EXPECTED MINISTERIAL EXPLANATION/. The Earl of DERBY observed that the noble earl the Secretary for Foreign Affairs had bees suddenly called from the house to attend Mr Majesty In OS pliikei evening ; but he had understood the noble 11011111ia to sap that in the course of this day he (Lord Clarendon) wouldho prepared either to snake a statement, or to inform them opus what day he should be prepared to make a statement as to the present position of the negotiations at Vienna, sod the present position of the allies and of Austria, with mpg I le the war. He (Lord Derby) bad upon two or throe emir 14Mns that evening seen the noble earl flitting through the I l ben ; but his motions had been so rapid that he had not boon alio to arrest his attention. (A laugh.) He wished, there fore, to ask the noble marquis once more, whether he could state oa what day the noble earl would maps his state ment ? - - - - - HOUSE OF LORDS.—TUINDAY, MAY 1. The Loots CHATIOSALOA took hie seat on the womb eek at the usual koar. PRIVATE BUSINESS. Os t•.• notion of Lard RIDBODALII, the Dateley and Midisal Reilway Bill was read a wood time. The rollowing bills were severally read a third time and :—Olownp Gas Bill; Moomenthibire Railway and raZ d l Bill; Sheffield Gas Bill; South Eastern Railway La/ , 061) Ball; Bridport Railway Bill; It 4teliff Gas 8111 ; Bradford, aid Halifax 'auction Railway Bill. FLOATING BATTERIES. Earl TALBOT said he understood that the &Win bat teries nin th had recently bare eosstrseled were (morally condemned by sant men. 111 wished op ask, who was th.i. deafgeet of the r ropes, and whether it had been salmitted to any Wean& man for approval; also, whet was the cost of web if these boats, sad whether say trial had bass merle Of their elarew ? lord PAN SURE said thew li batteries bad been coastructed to show the possibility .1 ' amel arma ments into cotton with stuns formates is was cast able to Whom the noble lord who was the imitator of thaw hal- terks; bat the phut bad been adopted after having tested bye:pensions what effort a "moon: ball would have upon an true-plate. The mows of the experimeets bees met as to lead to the constructios of these fleeting Melee Though Though the opiaioas referred to by the noble lord might not be fav ourable, be toasted that, apes trial, thew vessels might turn out more saccessial thee he antiethat.d. In answer to • further question from Earl TALBOT, as to the eonsteestioa and efficsocy of the vessels, Lord PANMURE said these were particulars into which be could not then enter. lie thimble hoped the sable lord Imola nut press his qusatiow on than pasta. (Hear.) The Eel of HARDWICKE add he had sever heard a more unsatisfactory answer. The sn o rt well sue of great taterset, effecting the Wendt , side thisimweley in naval areacesects. Ise times like the yessest, IMO end the other boom of parliament, as well as the people at Ww, were of newaoty eztrentsly sasious as to the sew& of W camel most itself. We had constrained tee Mt theme ships; and he sneerstood that the Espana of the Emma had con elevated • like timber. It did set mash maim who the designer was ; bet it did matter eateemely to the 'saws of the country, and the success of the lbet they should feel attain, whoever was the el egiiiss that at alt events the science of the imentij hi sbid of piled to the wastructios 1.1 thew wintis. Me his boss to Woolwich to inspect tweet Ihmeships; mo d wit giving the opiates of say °We poem, he d mat hantily state his own. He patent efsmeidetration *mirth, the Attestioa of form. Nothing eseki be more unsightly than these vessels; if they bed ben built by the mile or the fathom, aid then saws mender, they could not be more shapeless. Ile entirely pat oat of sight th eir speed, or say question as to locomotion ; he mull deak midi them as floating batteries, which were about to mop* ll me.. that region the means of attack ea the Karim dertmesee. He bad taken the trouble to measure the distant► from the lower sill of the mid-ship port to the water line. The vessel had nothing on beard now bat her 'seines, her empty • boilers and her masts ; no guns so stores, ao single thing of any diseriptioa. Wall , the l ower sill of the port was just 4 feet 6 inches from the water's edge. The farther immersion, after the vessel received the whole of her guns, ammunition, stores, and cargo, would not possibly be calculated at les than one foot; that would maks the distance 3 feet 6 inches. Be ventured to &mart that that distance was not safe, and the vessel must have her guns moored and her ports caulked in, secured by pitched sums, in order to take her to the Bahia. That, at all Events, was as widower that the application of faience I. this caw had beea omitted. They might have had a much bettor vessel sad • groans power of flotation and intending to sea • proper dascriptioe of floating battery that was • paint of great importance. For • vessel of this dworiptioe, a diminished power of flotatipo was • great evil Another thing was her power to Skid shot. This might have been made a matter of sac eriment ; bet them were soma things which struck the beholder at once as de fective. First of all, the iron plates were seemed to the side of the vessel ; and every iron plate touched the other throughout, above and below. Every me who knew any thing of the expansion and contraction of iron knew that, when exposed to the sun, the expansion of iron was enormous ; sad this would go as. These plates ought not to have unshed ; they ought, at least, to have been tialf-an iseh apart, and to have Lad the intention filled ia. The What of alt mate moan ir).l aid ociatradim would stadosb;.. edly be to lemma the plates ; and his impression was that these pinta would hemmed and beat about in all directions. They ought, to rudely, to have been placed at a nnall distance from each other. Those points, as a matter ofeciesos, appeared to have been entirely overlooked. Then as to the meats of pro tecting the men on board. Ile had an doubt that in the first instance it was intended to cover the desks of thew vessels with iron. The deck wee now nine inehse thick, but he apprehended that findiog the power of flotation sodefleient they bad not ventured to carry the plan through. He had no doukt that a shall from a mortar would go right through the deck. The men at the wheel would be exposed to fire through a two-inch plank, • greater risk than they would ran in an ordinary ship. There were other details, as the means of working the cables, which showed that science had not been properly %polled to the constriction of them vessels. No test seemed to have been applied to ascertain whether the beet form had been adopted. He thought the surveyor of the navy, hod he been wasolted, would have dented these defects. The noble lard thee referred to the upsetting of the large ship in dock at Woolerlith, and said that that accident had resulted from the centre of gravity is the ship being too high. That ship had bun bought of a shipbuilder in the river; surely the authorities ought to have sic-ruined her power of displacement and so on. So Mach was this chip distrusted, that it had been necessary to pat 2.50 tons of ballast into her hold and fix it in with asphalt.. the* displacing so much cargo. Earl GREY regretted that subjects like this were brought fojward is so desultory a manner, which necessarily led to ad result. They held the government respondhle for the coldest of the war; but to be so they mast have freedom of aatios, and it was im:gwaihle they could have that freedom if, while measures were 10 progress, noble lords were cot dewily coming down to that house to state their own pecu liar views. (Hear, tow.) As had been properly stated by Lord Pawnor", he could not enter into details on this and other soojecte without of irdiag information to the enemy, It would be much the better coarse, if the noble lord had any somethings to make, if he would transmit them to the Admiralty. (Hear) The Earl of DERBY said thew gunboats were not in progress, but were actually complete, and open to the ia smetion of every one. 1 hey had cost something like 300,0001.. and it was desirable to have the °pintos of com petent authorities as to their construction, and their adap ted°e to the for which they were designed. The noble lord (Hardwtckal bad painted out masons which led his to fear that the coustructioa of these boats was defter tine; sad it was most desirable that this matter should he investigated before the government was allowed to go Over head and heels is Impost", in cionstrasting a thing which might tare oat to be useless. They might rely on it the whotruetion of thew 'yeasts was perfect well known in Reads sad that the Emperor tumid not de rive from this dimension say information whisk be did set already peaces. (Hear, hear.) He (Lord Derhy)=l,4tl:: the fears of his noble Mead would tore out to be . The *MOW thee dropped. CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY BILL. The report of amendments on this bill was received. The LORD CHANCELLOR asked have to re-commit this bill on the 16th Instant. • samba of amendwats had bow introdased, which it was desirable should be cion sidend in the university. Agreed to. /HE CAVALRY FORCE IN THE CRIMEA. I Lord VIVIAN stated coat some time ago he had given anise that he should move for aortal& Mums relating to the wiaforwmtnt of the cavalry I. the East ; but th e noble lord the Commander- in-Chief had informed him that he parpreed to mod • strong squadron from each of the cavalry regiments is this country to the sat of war, ad he had is oons• gismo withdrawn that swim Up to lu s t f ew moment, however, or at l ast till within the few dam, not a single regiment of cavalry bad received me word of natio', or had been put under orders. Now, this was a question of the utmost importance to the wellbeing of our army ; for if oar forma se mi t o move from before Sebastopol, it was mow wesatial that oar cavalry Mould be efficient. He su,nwerd he should he told that reinforeemeata had already been sant from India, and that others were intended to be seat front this eoun•ry. But what he wished to ira• mess upon the government war, the importance of despatch ; seed ha begged to nine for • return of the member of men and hones sent or to be sent as reliefs or reinforcements to the woulry now in the Crimea • regiments or squadrons frets regiments new io this cematiy to be employed whi c h 'orgies date of stabirketion; awns of transports in these reinforoeiseate have been or are to be sent out, stating whether sailing or steam. Pord HARDINOE (the Coarnander.in-Chisf) said it was very true that upon a former mea sles he had bees peened by _the noble lord for info/mattes as to the manner ia whisk he reposed to f ora '.I e cavalry Pros in the Wawa. It was also hue that he had said the best al it seemed to him at that time, would be by mdisg Ores tie regiments of cavalry now at the sea o yak ea, addltioral squadron from each of the she regimen* villa retavned at home. flunsequently he bud reseed le *kik that • preferable plan crowd be to take inre ell ifs Ilme as % ', moot*, and to send them out en baud M sending pia , aqua/Irene. That had rodeo* the sizespry-Dation of the Dike of C onto of dm=sert of Cavalry ; and two regiment", Mold aMi the 6th Dragoons, bad bees seleessd krrilarliellh US twee of cavalry in the Bost at thesimiell Elie mallotei d rather more than 1,300 urn, and OW illsoili be fadelfiled by sh rut 700 troops. T ivo other seglawnes bad also been ordered from ladle, and the lot of OW bad eireOly &meet!. Those two regiments world sonienst to s bow 1,000 ram. There would thus be a cavalry Issue of ralWr more then 3,000 men is :.I!, emissive of the twe in this country, should they be required, ae in T den I V I Z you'd, The number of trained reasits saw tank was at least one thousand, end the author rif heroes 1,600, .- f from five to six pen old. The -Nitwit credit was due to the other regiments for the whim they had taken in acing m depdte, and in trebling wends for the regiments that were abroad. (Hear, beer. As to the mode of embarkation, It did set fall within his depormanat Half of the recedes had Already sailed, and the rest were under owlets. Some of the trewsiserts was stews, has the • sew, ha mrettad to say, were salliel 'lamb / bat cabal"" moue[ Igemorn wen mods, Ml' --- • Tha lliuquis of LANSDOWNE denied that ha bad ever said that his noble friend would make his statement, or • a day for it, on this evening. He agreed with the noble earl that it was of in/mite importance that the earliest pos sible opportunity should be takes for it; bat he could not undertake at this moment tomtits when the statement would be made. (A laugh.) Their Lordships rose at tin minutes past 6. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TUISDAY, MAT 1. The Seaman took the chair at the usual hour. NEW MEMBER. Mr. Daet took the oaths and his mat for the county of Dark, is the room of Mr. E. B. Roche, elevated to the peeress under the title of Lord Pommy. The New River Company and Trustees of the River La Bill was read a second time. NATIONAL EDUCATION IN IRELAND. Mr. WALPOLE gave notice that on an early day la would move an address to her Majesty praying her to duvet such modifications to be made in the rules of the Commis sion of National Education in Ireland with regard to ana vested schools as COMMISSIO wouldipeNnder THE IN the s ARMY. ystem more satisfactory. Mr. HEADLAM gave notice that on Tuesday next be MO* Wee an cadres.. to her Majesty praying her to direst Call doseations to be made in the regulations of the army Wadi enable any °diner dying I active service during Ma ameat campaign 1 bequeath the value of his coinage am to his family, and assuring her that the house woad Undertake to make good any lass to the country whisk might Mille. (Rear, bear.) RETURNS ORDERED. ROTS AT ALDIOIOLOT —L3III 811110tra : Copies of rgailisation for hats at Aldenhott Of contracts. Of ad. werillessmiat for tenders. Date of paper in which the adver limateat was first inserted. And date of time stipulated for Completion of contracts AUNT LAYAZD : Return of all nom alseions granted in the army since the commencement of the wee • *wag in each case the name of the person to whim insatedl,llas regiment, and the reasons for which amatisainiass was granted without purchase. Sairatare ROYAL MILITALT COLLIOIII. Mr. LAY AID: Return of th ae offlarc who have received certificates at the senior department of the Royal Military College at Sandhurst, and hove sot boon subsequently employed on the staff of our army daring the last twenty years stating wh'oh of the above °Sleets are on fall service, and which are on half pay. CsrwaAx EITA.PI.-31r. LATAILD: Return of the names of all the officers who have been or are now employed in any capacity on the panel staff of the army in the Crimea, er on any private staff since the cantenermeat of the war, Mating the dates of their commission, any past services, al na se. maif employments on which hey may have semi AMY Pkottosiox.—Mr. Lamm): Return et all per insisas la the army, with and without punkas% mars Jae ire ea dassmala el the war ; stating the eeste k eeevisse seek eft el peemetior, and time and nation a maim Its eetheese, eel the regiment from and is ukiek the pre ludes Seek pee& TELEGRAPHIC DESPATCHES.—TRE 111:11611. Piz WARNBII ►aped that as the First Lord of the Worm was not la his piece, the First Lord of the Ad- Miralty woald answer the question of which he had given Melee : whether the despatch from Lord Raglan, dated the lilth of April, in which ►e inquired about the Sardinian oontiagent, or may other realist despatch from Lord Raglan, °outsized information on the state of the army or t►e progress of the siege ; sod if so, what was the nature of that information? Sir C. WOOD (need he had not correctly eonveyed his meaning on the evening before. On that, as on the former ocessioa, he stated that no information had been received as to the progress of the slop ; he also stated that the go verment woedd make public any information of interest that they rewind. When that statement was received with a cheer from as hoe. gentleman (he did not know why) he repeated that the despatch conveyed ao information as to the progress of the siege, bat simply acknowledged the re *sip% of another, and asked when the Sardinian contingent would sail. Another despatch had been received that morn ing, dated the day before, ecstasies some lafonnatiors ; it stated that the Russian force stationed between the Belbsk and Mackeede's Farm bad been reinforced by two divisions ; that was the whole of the information they had received. Mr. WARNER said perhaps the right hoe. gentleman would allow him to ask if the government wog, bars any objection to eoeuaanieste to Lord Raglan the faddsat great anxiety existed la this eouatry to receive intelligence of the progress of the dep. (" Hear, hear," and cheers.) ADMINISTRATION OF THE ARMY. Mr. T. DllNCOlifill hoped the Uades-Seesstary for War weed answer the question of which he had given motion He understood that when the Doke of Newcastle !Meister of War he seat a commissises composed of military men to Paris, with the *auction of the French government, to examine the French system of military admiaistration, ending orders to Lord Raglan to institute similar liquifies in the Crimes. He understood the Paris eommiseioa had made their report ; he wished to know when that from the Crimea might be expected, and whether there would be any objection to lay them both oa the table ? Mr. F. PEEL said the report from the Paris isommistioa bad been received ; he did not thick there would be any objection to produee it, but he would Gamer the qaestion on a future day. ROMAN CATHOLIC CHAPLAINS IN GAOLS. Mr. KINNAIRD begged to ink the looretary of State for Home Denermeetorkether any mak had been given to application of the Rama eMbeas - Melbeg for leave for Insets of his denomination* to semdast the service amordine So the Waal of thaegssa imadis shush. in the (soh et a baend spina set aliall abs bed takes the eglaiestef lbs sins, nt the suave, is to the kpkty of a oeseplisaa mil mutt ? Sir G. GREY bed met received any general spoliation, as the question enemy/ to assume. He had resulted an application timmaMlMMe catholic bishop in referees* to a parties' 1r whom, sad a .used from priest in refeeemse to another prises. Tbaaggieseisas wese Imessuai gee of mews, sad isavalig Ml pales free Mag set law days. The subjest wee amiss alma dention be wee sea iHU to give every reassemble facility eeaeletont with the maintenance of the prison disipline. He had act takes the opinion of the law facers, Apr wee he aware that there was any point on which it would be niscemary to consult them. THE TELEGRAPH TO THE CRIMEA. Mr. F. FRENCH wished to knew whether the mesa. meat had come to the &Mime that the electric telegraph to the Odom waste be mama is ton sotosoastat sus*. is the pro •N relation to returns bed fault of hie, , end the de- ~.. twit the speedier cos _ reties of the Warne would have interfered with the work eif tiMilegortneet; two clues were employed on them, and he haeifillbet would bays been ready that day, but for Mareahmmeeef Capella t Miles, ittee. who was under saarainatiois he flebutopol comm He hoped, however, *;sersiehl be laid on the table is a day it two. Loan Bill was read a third time. THE VIENNA CONFERENCES. Mr. BRIGHT wished to ask a question of the Fiat Lord eAthe Treeney. He was not in the house whoa the noble laid gave Messmer to the right hon. gentleman opposite, l a boa what he had seen in the papers, it did not appear be very distinct or satisfactory. He did not pat speedos for the purpose of embierausing the gownm. t; the noble lord knew he bad been very Wed the last month or sin weeks. (Laughter.) There wen eemy gnat anxiety on this subject, a proof of it was the MIS morket had got up an or seven shillings a quarter. (Quire WW) Ho wished to know would the noble lord promise at wine early date to let them know distinctly what were the elms offered by her Majesty's government in conjunction with the French government, to the Russian government; NI also tell them distinctly what the Russian governesses 1 hetlaated a willingness ea their part to accept, and what OW Sums they intimated a willingness to propose on their WA He wanted to know the exact distance between the OW aired on one aide and offered or intimated on the Aar, that.the louse and the country might know ezactly ' what they were going on with a prolonged war far. There 1 Weld be no objection to the production of this information, Wine they were connected with some negotiations still on ea. He did not awn to press the noble lord to make oily statement at that moment, but only to say when he would give the information required. (Hear, hear.) 'Lord PALMERSTON believed that if the hoe. gentle— ma bad been in the house the night before he woald have Neal that his question had been substantially answered. lie bed stated it wee the intention of her Majesty's govern able. belay on the table at the indica opportunity the pro be& ef the conferences at Vienna, which would be found W seem all the information required. Mr. BRIGHT believed that the protocols did not allude ee We ammater propositions. kei PALMERSTON thought they would be found to aslala all required. His noble friend the Secretary for reedit Affairs was pressing the preparation of the papers as feet as possible, and he believed they would be laid on We table in a few days. THE MAYNOOTH GRANT. Oa Mr. SPOONS& rising to bring forward his motion considerable confusion was created by a large cumber of honourable members jumping up at the same moment to present petitions. Mr. SPOONER had ones more—(laughter)—to bring this very important question under their consideration ; en the settlement of it depended the safety of the orowo, the stabi lity of the empire, and the happiness of the people. The question was, were they to maintain inviolate the protestant constitution ? The greatest danger to that constitatios arose from their attempts to conciliate those who would not be conciliated unless they gained ascendancy. The hones had heard the declaration that the Roman catholic , ' Mali net be contest with toleration, sad that nothing would satisfy them salmi the Roman catholic church was fiend on the same footing as the established church of Beefed and Ireland. It wee objected that the present was not a proper time to bring forward his motion ; hut this was a religious, net a political question; the endowment Of Maynooth was a national sio, which had drawn down on them the judgment of Almighty God, and they ought not to persist in a sin for one moment. Another objection was that be ought not to proceed at a moment when the Roman estholics were fighting so bravely side by side with nro- testants. (Hear, bear.) Were hon. gentlemen aware that the question of the right claimed by the Pope to exercise engreenacy wee creating great jealousy in France ? He bad Ward that fact from a quarter on which, it he were per mitted to mention the name, the house would attach the highest importance. The Archbishop of Paris had at pre sent a quarrel with the Pope on the subject of that most manstrou of all monstrous doctrines—the Iroussoulate Con ed the Virgin Mary. There was as much jealousy ill ka ir: A nce in coasequenos of the assumptions of the Po as there was in this country, and upon that ground he had no bar of exciting any ill feeling on the part of our allies. (Hear, hear.) They had generously acted upon principles which would protect the week against the strong—princi ples which would eventually restore peace to Europe ; and they would be deterred from that object by no such fears as those which had been alleged to exist. Then he was told that he ought not to bring on this motion at: this particular time on account of the feelings of the brave Roman esthetic soldiers who were flghtisg our battles in the But. Would the house by entertaining this motion do anything to aggravate their feelings ? He maintained that they would not. Many of those *oldie's were Eames entholies it was true, but they were loyal subjects. (Hear, hear.) They were sound, good, loyal subjects, and if the house would abstract them from the dominion of the priests and set them free from superstitious influences, they would rejoice as much as protestano themselves, and so far from feeling offended at the withdrawal of the grant from May oath would rejoice that the dominion of the prises was at a end. He would trust them to the fullest extent, he would never believe that they would be swayed from their duty Zaly such mean and paltry consideration. What did hon. gentlemen mean who said the present mee ma the time for bringing forward this motion. because SIONNI catholic soldiers were at present engaged in fighting kr ear HOU? Did they mean that they should wait until the fight was over? If that were their intention he would ask whether that was good faith ? Would they con geal their intentions until they had gained a victory, and Mesa introduce a measure which was alleged to be so highly eliltellessable to them ? That was not the way he liked to paned, tied for himself he would rather be honest and slo ths*, telling them that as protestant' they could no longer arks ispent for those idolatrous and superstitious— Mr. PAGAN roes to order. The Speaker himself tad Mid down the rule that any language which was offensive to the religious feelings of any member of the boon should be elasidered unpa•lianientary. lie submitted that the words Malmo and superstitious were not words such as should he used. ' The SPEAKER said that in debates of that kind affect flag tie religious opinions of a great number of member*, it *se very desirable, however freedom of debate might be Weed, to abstain from any expressions of an irritating clut thaw: (Hear, bear.) Mr. SPOONER said he would at ones submit. He meld not use thee* words, but he might say tbst in the Miele. of the thatch of Eoglaad they were expressly em ployed in reference to the celebration of the mess. He would use ether words. (" Hear, hear," and ironical laughter) Did hon. ntlemen mean to say that he was not to use any wor ds? (Renewal laughter.) In the coronation oath, the doctrines to which he had objected were called " dangerous fables." (No, no.) Well, if that was not the suet expression, it was something very like it —" dangerous theeits"—he thought those were the words -I-(no, no)—" dangerous doeteines," then—he knew if those were not the enact words, those used were quite as strong, but he had not the oorenation oath with him. (Loud laughter.) The next objection made was that this motion would lead to a breach of faiths—a breach of compact. It was said that an institution had been made, and that the house had no business to interfere with it. He denied that position in Coto, for there never was a compact. There was anything to bind the lease to oontionethe grant. It was a free grant, and in consehnenos of it no sacrifice wen made by the Roma cathollis. • When parliament made grants merely from free will, without any person whatever being called upon to pay, or to make any sacrifice by way of con sideration, th at grant parliament was perfectly free to with draw. (Hear, hear.) On that subject he would quote the opinionsof ope who** mumey was highly respected in that house, and whose opinions were always listened to with the attention they deserved. On the 3rd of April, 1845, Sir Hobert Peel said, "Itis a measure, I trust, conceived in the spirit to which I have referred—a liberal and confiding spirit. We are not introducing it after communication with the leading oimlesiastical authorities of the Roman catholic elkarch ; it has not been a subject of stipulation or of con tract with them. We are prepared in a liberal and confiding spirit to improve the institution, to elevate the character of the education supplied. Aced by improvement I do not n*ean to imply any each interference in the course of edu cation as would effect • total thugs, but that we should treat that institution in a generous spirit, in the hope that we shall be met in a corresponding spirit, that we shall be repaid /se OW liberality by assuring a more liberal system of instretetios." That was a declaration of that right hen. gentleman who bas the conceding party to the grant. He (Mr. Spenser asked every man who had held office under her M a s i jeekki ernment since that grant was made, or who h had thirg to do with elections in wiss i m Inland, how those bad hoes enewered. Had the views been fulfil elerke which the peat was made? He seateaded that it had entirely failed, and that it had besought about wholly Stlereat results gm thou which had Um anticipated, under which einamelmeas the metre" if there had been one, would have a• 00.0 Yom in the miend. The noble lord at preemie the flownesew he the Weeks had Imeasquely clear a Oh quills. Ossetia* On April 3, 154 h, he seek " I do not mesa Is inquire into the question el esatnet, or whether ft weld be a wise sad sn t sec to gem suddenly, tad deism that you will aka no fortieth sluice 10 'dosage the prints of the Ithean Dahlias rapes, but at the Nose time I will say = a yea fined that it was doles that which wasme te the amamity, sad that the religions steeples ig dm osmopeni, maid not ,ellow the seadathaes of this peak le Intik Sipa* *MVO al MNIIIIIIIIIII gums rs; -- you foetid that these you meant to be teachers of religion their books. H eil; said the hon. member ), were the had become She *dere and condoners of rebellion, there is Emilia govermana end people endming a college, the thee ground entifilent te refuse this grant—then I say that studies of which were mutated by a foreign minden, and - these i s oc , va lid be s o sin u o us y oo —no name why the , the students of which look .d to Rome, not to Ragland, for house should not be justified is &seining that no tertber the selection ot tam honks. He called on hon. members to grant should be given." Leaders of rebeilion! Distarbere !read the evidence for themselves, tied then to say whether of the public pars! Let hon. gentlemen look to their • they would costume t i support this vote. Let them con elections, and say whether the noble lord's words did not ; eider that the !siesta true tesehing the doctrines of Rome strictly apply to the Roman catholic priests. On the 'who- Ito the Peopte, and ants especially as regarded the rite of rity therefore of Sir Hebert Peel and the noble lord the i marriage, teaching them among other things that no member for the City of London, he stated that a deep I heretical marriage carried the right of succemion along with seated feeling on the part of the community at large celled l it. He asked the house to gee him leave to bring in a bait for a rimed oftit meat, and upon that stoned he appea.ed ! which should withdraw the indeed support from an insti to the hetoS ea support the motion for repeal. H in. gen. I tution witch, In his opinion. taught ooctrines so cojectiois tlemen would, in all probability, soon have to - meet their able. The bill would provide that the students in the constituents, and they might depend twig it that the most college at the time of its peeing thould receive their present' important question which would be put to them would have a lawancee to the end of their terms ; and also that while reference to this question of Maynooth. (Hear, bear.) teaching these remaining students, the professors should ',- Surely he had sufficient ground fur saying that there has Lain their salaries. This might be objected to on the been no contract, and that mini( there had, the house was high ground of principle, but previous legislation justified under the circumstances In breaking it off. He had left him no alternative. With that exception would now proceed briefly to the oonaidet tains he would propose to withdraw all corporate power, but that of the comnsimloners' report, through which he: the present corporation should have the power to deal with had carefully waded. He bad had valu able as- ' the property of the c 'liege as trustees. Having cautioned einem who had set with him hour after hour extracting the house against permitting an institution to continue, the points from the evidence, endeavouring to get at the real function of which was to destroy the established church, truth of the matter, and he said, without h. sitation, that the hon member proceeded in an indistinct tone to address the report was a complete sham, and a complete deceit. himelf to the Romeo catholic members present lie re- Three years ego he asked for inquiry; after that he did not winded them of the promises made at the time of the renew the request, because he thought that all his state. Ira incipation Bill, and expressed bit conviction that we menu to the bone* had been fully borne out by the fas., enlightened Roman catholic believed the pernicious dow and because he felt convinced that no commission would be trines taught et Maynooth. The truth was that they nag be by - ' 1 e match for the jesuitry of Maynooth . In alludi n g to the lined teat everything was properly maed report, be would first advert to that most unwarrantable their prelates, see gave themselves no trouble to inquire 1 proceeding, which the noble lord at the head of the govern- into the d ctrines taught in the books. He mould, from his' went bed admitted, that the evidence taken before her Ma- own knowledge, say this much of the Boman catholic jesty's commissioners was sent to Dr. Cullen by cue of the 'undies of Warwickshire, amongst whom he lived, sad commissioners, and by Dr. Cullen to It mI e, without the whine he kne w to make some of the best magistrates and consent of the other commissioner', and teat it was delayed landlords in the county But such were not the men who at Rome for mouths, so •bat while the house was antique to had been sent by the Eurincipetion Bill to that bones ;on knew the remit of that inquiry, while ;nudism at was kept the courts', they were, as a body, the nominees of t. a , in ignorance Rome was gratified ; the evidence was known priests, and bound to obey the behests of the sacerdotal body 1 to the nahorities there, and it was known also that the in everything These were the men wild had friqu. nay report was cooked to make all things pleasant. That was a stated that they would never be content while the estanished moot unconstitutional proceeding, and he trusted that church remained in Ireland. (Hear, hear.) He warned the government would -feel it to be its duty to the house that if these men were not restraint d, they refer such a breach of confidence to the law officers would persevere until the pr itestant institutions of this of the Crown. It would be tampering with the country hsd been destroyed by their machinations. He did feelings of the people if they allowed such a eircumetence not expect many more opportusities of addressing that to go without inquiry ; indeed there was a time when a house on this subject. His age rendered the disclaimer of government so peetectiat its duty would have been ins. ambition unnecessary ; his only waive was his duty to God peaehe& Was the nob le lord at the bead of the govern- and his country, and the responsibility which rested on all mcnt aware, that in a return made by the officers of the who, like him, had carefully studied this question. He college, and published as an appendix to the commissioners' looked upon this state support of popery as a national sin, report, there were given in full the territorial titles of the and be trembled on the brink of that precipice to which the Roman catholic bishops? One was described as the Arch- conduct of their rulers was bringing the nation. He had bishop of Armagh and Primate of all Ireland, while Dr. now done, he believed, his duty, and should therefore not Cullen was described as the Apostolic Legate of the Pope, apologise for having detained the house, but he would thank in complete defience of the act of parliament which bar the house for the attention with which it had listened to him, Majesty's government brought in, and in which the whole and at the same time he begged to repudiate the intention of that home, with very few ezeeptions, concurred. In of wounding the individual feelings of any honourable direct opposition to that act, a report appeared with all the member. The honourable member oonclnded by mum': territorial tiles in full, and apparently under the sanction " That this house do resolve itself into a committee, for the of the commiseionen; but he was authorised by the Earl of purpose of considering the acts for the endowment of the Harrowlry to say that thou titles were not in the evidence C Mega of Maynooth, with a view te the withdrawal of any nor in the report as drawn no by the eommetaioners. How endowment out of the consolidated fond, due regard being these titles got into the report it was not for him to say ; but bad to vested rights or interests." he contended that it was the duty of her Majesty's stomas Mr. DUNLOP seconded the motion, but at the same time meat to bring the offender to justice. If the noble lord disclaimed ray intention on the part of the people of Scot wooed not enter upon the inquiry, he booed the house land of curtailing the civil liberties of the Roman Catholics, would take the matter in hand. The honourable while they sought to deprive them of a a t ollndowment member then referred to a list of the bisholes for their religion. The people of Sco had op educated at Mayarioth, which appeared in page 133 of the posed the regimes doossna as much as they now h op. report. The fint objectionable name on the list was that p ose d Maynooth, and were equally ready to oppose te of "The Most Reverend Paul Callao, Apostolic Legate of maintenance of the established church in Ireland. the Pope." In the premises of the flat lawyers of the He objected to the Maynooth endowment on another country he (Mr. Spooner) contended, that that was a ground, that while it stood we were not safe from the further defiance of the law, and if the Attorney -O I and step of the endowment of the Roman catholic church, and the law officers had done their duty, that ethaniestie would he objected to ell church endowments as tieing subversive not have been allowed to remain in the country assuming of inoependence and free action of the church. The endow that titre. (Hear, hear.) Another was the name of " His runt of Maynooth was indefensible in itself, inasmuch as Grace the Moat Reverend Joseph Dixon Archbishop of it was the endowment of error. He believed it would Armagh and Primate of all Ireland " Th at ' was a report be for the good of Inland that there should be no made by the suthorised officer of the college to the principal state endowment ; but let them deal with one thing at a and muggers of that institution, and he th ought it was time Let them put an end to the endowment of Maynooth, very well worthy of the attention of the government. Re - and he had shown that he should not be reluctant to go (erring to the evidence of the Rev. John O'Hanlon, the hen. further. (Hear.) gentleman said the following question was put to him: Mr. POLLARD URQUHART admitted that it wee an Perhaps you can state what number of bishops of the I ., Gnome y for • protestant state lice that of England to Roman catholic church in Ireland have been put on the „ Dr. s endow • it noun catholic college, but it had arisen out Dunboyne estsblishment ?" and his answer was— of a still greater anomaly, the maintenance by the state Dixon, Archbishop of Armagh , " adding t he names of f a protestant established chetah in a country where several other bishops, with their territorial titles. He con - five . x • h ,. tended that in the event of any disputed succession to the t.• of the inhabitants were Roman esthetics. (Hear, hear.) lie reminded the house that the en throne of England, these concessions would be most du- nutmeat of Maynooth had originated in a desire ft game% and that, therefore, the strong hand of the law conc iliate the Irish people, when in 1795 the successes should replicas them. There was another paper that had of French arms bad caused some alarm in the minds come into his pusessios, bearing upon this matter. It was of the English government. The augmentation of the anonymous, but he was assured that it proceeded from a gen- g rant in 1846 was consequent upon the alarm thew. Oman of high respectability. It was unseught for, unasked coned by the monster meetings, and he asked, would for by him. It was a proof of the evi " dence, given for um it be wise now, at • time when we were engaged notion ; not a revise ; 'but the revision els revise, in which in a war with a powerful enemy, to irritate the public those territorial titles were ineerted—a circumstauce which mind of Ireland, and raise up a spirit of discontent which called for severe punishment at the ha: ds of the govern- might net only interfere with the progress of recruiting is sent, it the offender could be detected. He (Mr. Suoner) Ir eland, butrequire perhaps an army of 30,000 men to main . regrelted to sty that no commissioner was placed upon that tain tranquility there. He bad intended to move as an commission who was not known to be in favour of May amendment that the subject of the ecclesiastical domination nootb. Lard Harrowby wee a most respectable nob emaa, of the established church in Ireland should also be taken hut it was well known that he was opposed to the with• into consideration ; but under all the einumetances tie draws' of the Maynooth grant, and some one should have s hould not prey that motion ; but he should effer hie been sent with him who entertained opposite opinions. Dr, decided oppositioa to the motion of the hon. member for Twin was a gradation in whom every confidence could be Warwickshire. placed, but he, too, it was known, held the same opinions as the noble lord. He thought er n very constitution of the Mr. SCHOLEFIELD rose to move the amendment to commisiton appointed by a government itself in favour of Mr Spooner's motion of which he had given notice, via.— Maynooth, tbrew • halo round the report, which rendered .' To leave out all the words after the word' considering,' it a complete deception. He received it without any and to insert ' all grants or endowments for ecclesiastical I oanfidence, but he found enough in it to show Purposes, whether charged on the Consolidated Fund or an that the teaching of Maynooth was the same as molly voted by parliament, with a view to their withdrawal, it was when he first drew the attention of the house due rogord being had to vested rights or interests.' " to the subject, that ultramontane doctrines were taught, He said that it might have been thought, after the report of and hat Gallican views were day by day declining. the commissioners appointed to inquire into the teaching of In the case of the Rev. Mr. Flanagan nine questions were the college of Pdaynooth, they might have been spared say impressed into one. His evidence given was garbled with more of t hese painful discussions. But those who thought a purpose. The object was to prevent the public from so had so notion of that sleepless bigotry which was ever knowing that a job was being perpetrated by the authorities on the watch, and of which his hon . friend, the member for at Mammoth for the purpose of Petro Rooms catholic North Warwickshire, was the ever ready and willing in - I tethers and publishers. (Hear.) Much of the evidence strum. nt, and which he (Mr. Scholefield) believed could was in the hands of those who gave it for months before the sever be satisfied till it had brought every faith within the 1 report was published to sty wo rm After such facts as these limits of its own wretched sectarianism. (Hear, beeamiag known could any credence be given te the report ? hear.) He held in his hand a production called (Hear, hear.) He (dr. Spooner) had =endued the matter " Ten Fasts from the Maynooth Report," which bad i to Lord Harrowby, who bad informed him that mach of this no doubt been sent to other members by the Protestant I evillest. Was left in the handset the secretary of the con. Alliance. The title implied that the facts were taken from missies foe weeks. With these fleets staring them in the the report itself, and not culled out of the evidence. The thee mild the house come to an other conclusion than that first tact was that the plea of poverty for the endowment farther inquiry ought to be made P If such did not take was untrue. He turned to the evidence to see by whom the phase commissions one t aw d r y wou ld s p ee dily b ecame mere statement had been made, and he found it to be the BA T . toren. la 1852 he had liked for inquiry ; since then he bad Dennis Bruhn. Who was he ? and why was he the Mil pirson who brought an utionlagainst the president again and again touched upon the matter, but no informs. vidusl Monad by the Protestant Alliance ? Why, he was don had been afforded him. He had charged the authori she ties of Maynooth with having and using hocks of an object of Maynooth for • rose beenOnd eelowtoleue libol .l6thable character. The possession of these books was not No matter what may ha ve the libel, yet he denied, bat it was said they were not used in the college, was not the man whose evidence the Protestant that students were not taught from them, hut they were Alliance should have selected. In the paper to which be only regarded as books (Ardennes. But he (Mr. Spooner) had a ll uded, it was stated that the oath of allegiance was knew well that the fast was that upon these very books avoided in various ways by the students. There wy not a word of that in the report of the commissioners; but the legions were founded. One of these vt say authors treated M the force of oaths, and us d. stated that in a good observations were wide by th ree other gentlemen, one of Mithe egaivocation might be used. With such sanction from whom was the Rev. Daniel Leahy, *who was educated at Maynooth, who was now superintendent in London of the the authorities of their own eburch no one could depend upon statements made by the men , and nothing but the most Society for Missions to the Roman Catholics; the second was the Rev. Dennis Braisbie i and the third, Mr. rigid examination meld elicit the truth. He would next proceed to say twit • very few words upon • matter Burke, a convert to protestantism. (Hear, hear.) He did not say that a convert to protestantians would into which be always entered with so much pain, that not tell the truth, but he would say that the evidence of nothing but absolute necessity would induce him to refer to it. It was, however, th eimpossibl to treat this question fairly such perms was not that which should in fairness have been selected. It was asserted also that the report of the or usefully without noticing e immoralities which were to commissioners with regard to the inculcation of loyalty was be found in works auctioned, nay approved by the Roman lo gb o n a pr i est h oo d. g, the a n t pl an , h a mo t w eir t o a only sedative ; but he had shown that the commissioners per w hi c h h e h a ll ooe d bad been Nat to every member of stated that they would be doing injustice to the college if that house, which was fall of the most disgusting Minima- they did not say that the result of the whole of the evidence was that loyalty was inculcated. When his hon. friend hr. ; and he th ought it right to himself and to those who felt and acted with him te disclaim all knowledge of a pani. talked of the Jesuitism of Roman catholic*, be must say that eipation iii so disgraceful a production. Immediately upon he w a more remarkable instance of Jesuitism in receiving the paper to width he alluded he had applied to the protestant church. (Hear, hear.) What was the the leaders of the two associations, the "Protestant ground of his honourable friesd's argument? If it Association" and the "Protestant Alliance," and asked was the teaching of disloyalty and morality, he would whether any of their body or of those under them had fall back on the report of the commissioners ; but his bon. dared to publish so repulsive a statement. He rejoiced to friend went further, and said that the Roman catholic reli be able to say that their reply was most satisfactory, and gion was taught at Maynooth. It was absurd to say that that so far as these two associations collectively were eon. parliament did not know that the Roman catholic religion turned no blame whatever existed. Who was the author he was to be taught when they granted the endowment i (Mr. Spooner) did not know. Every endeavour had been acd what his hon. friend must show was, that the Roman made by him and by others to discover the parties impii. catholic religion practically tended to national deterioration. cated, but he regretted to say that those efforts had not Show him a single instance of the rights of English. been suecesaful. Bat he had also examined the details men beisg jeopardited by the Rieman catholic, and he of this statement, with the authorities from which would joie in the passing of the moat stringent law for they were extracted, and he had found them to be putting down such an attempt. He was afraid, however, earner. Now, every one must feel disgust at reading those that they would have to come to the conclusion that his things, bat they were all in the books, although not in the hon. friend was not contending for civil rights or religious was not the place to discuss religious principles. What was themealar teams, which were used at bisynooth. Ought liberty, but for what he called religions principle, Th a t the house te permit such a state of things to continue ? It meld be failing in its first duties if it did not interfeth in truth to him might be error te another man ; and if so . a goat decisive and speedy meaner. He would not, how- what was the valid authority to decide between them thee, detain the Mar upon this part of the subject, but lie knew of none, nor of any man capable of gam at cos to the question of the seamy of the conies- doing so, and least of all those gentlemen frees awl. Now, it wee laid down in a work of high authority whim speeches and publications it would appear that *mega Roman enhance, that what was said in the ems. they had every chapter and verse of Scripture is their re theeload ought to be kept secret, even although the fate oollection, except that which declared that above all thi s of nations should bang upon P. 'This deetrine was also was charity : (Hear, hear.) Be (Mr. Sitholefield) was not laid down in the becks used at Maynooth—(bear, hear)— the apologt it of the church of England. It had its errors ; and one more subversive of every tree principle of but at all events the high o f En training of its pro• debt or morality it was impassible to conceive. The femora kept them free from the taint of a narrow and ems denial of priadple was apparent in the doctrine Illiberal mind. But he was sorry to semthat even is the of the Romish church with regard to the temporal church of England then was a growing spirit of resistance Mewls of the olthrels. It was true that they Were to the rights of dissenter', the emancipation of the Jews 'ready to declare that the Pops ought to have no temporal and a desire to run down not only the Roman catholic+, power, but even on their own showing they a• tat upon very bat some of the most eminent members of the different assumotioas. Dr. O'Henton admitted that the church of England itself. The bon. gentleman then I distinction between temporal and spiritual affairs was often read an extract from a pamphlet published by the Protest eery nice in its ehumeler, and often very troublesome gun. ant Alliance, purporting to be an Mims of the lime Rebut tithe antes is regime to it. Another point to which he Seymour, at Bath, is wVele, speaking of the Rom a n ca b ° . within% to call atesallen was that serious charges bad been Ile colleges in hilted, be said be thought they had got nig gligiesed or a i li ere efttsrmilhedi bo aa r e asm in Ws t rld ti . , Ovoinalgdftuhlel details,elgy cg w . an st t " stu s d e e a n ti ts on , al be w f" onl i d tim si drpasiosspo nses st the shmesk p td Illitzt, reer h i i i i t :Len: member r si si r similar r e ? , s i ug . ptg s t st i t f t th s e f y F eraa rsis ted s a parish priest, they could " th ve ey might i P ll as" avei ; S a an ada r e el ' ef ie ; . if they vatted an tulle p t he m p _h pe _ Wed to the en of ea& and obligations, quoting deacon, they might have Dr. Denison ;if ippopp Ligssei p as te d phippapp other pc opir dislass applepop , and i po a r d ti th og i i pp ou rpopp‘pd t the ob. the I di i i a n sis it tpd y, they might b m il ig hs h p t . la mg oridomm Meer belline lie Karoo* selimnissisa re- Datord. or Henry of Exeter. (H ipsog the w o g s mo b ga, g asp, Some mac% be gag , was glad that the meal gloominess of them: he ar.) tinge al Walessteriniallalliaiesiikellailli=reallmeniime iss iectri h r tele ar o etbanthe view be reli rs ev r ed ss ri ed the ts j i meene sy as :e v o ke ( th w is u gan can lie ed taan ss ; h a u s° - L a w. : takes by the Isms. WOUND amt. With rapist to the the members of the church of England tor t* aelsa7 an y - Index BansegMorlus, it smeared that the witnesses son- he would nth* 'Para that reverend gentl eman n '- al tared it so ad imindisg in liaised, batthat still the Romish Maeda, and, to Imo his own phrase, he would hava end ob. clergy felt veil 11111111 hawses d by it Is the teloottos of I wi ton ali to4row in his beg. Mead the somber h av e n o bear." sad laughter)—rathes *as loss say of the eminent persons who had bees named. He would say let the dissenters beware how they trusted this section of the church, who were not more inveterate against the Romig eatholia than they were against the rights of dinenters. the grant to Mrywooth was to be removed, and he was es favourable to it as his hon. friend, for it was en anomaly and part of au erroneous system, yet if it was to be re. snored there was only one fair and honourable wig o g doing it, and that was by the sweeping away of all linalogoge endowments. Mr. MURROUGII urged that the report of the eorg. missionen disproved the charges of immorality m►de against the teachers of Maynooth —denied that, considering the peculiar circumstance of Ireland, the power of the prie s th oo d was an unmixed evil—denounced the established church in Ireland as an evil which if the Irish members had done theie slaty would bag ago have been carted away as so auk rubbish—and conciuded by strongly urging that the poet. don of affairs in this country, her alliance) with three Roman catholic states, end the Lecessity for the assistance of the Irish people in fighting the battles of Eng. lend would tend greatly to the assertion of the rights of the Rom.* eatbolirlot that country. Ile. J. A. SMITH said he could not believe the Ro man catholic church was es poor as had been pleaded, liaise it was able to erect, in London and elsewhere, such usagaills cent edifloes. He coutended that the act o( 1815 had not answered its purpose as a measure of couciliatton ; for the papal aggression had occurred since then; and the Ro ma catholic clergy of Ireland had not become more moderate, mo a friendly to the constitution. Ho supported Spooner's motion. Mr. BLAND observed that this was not a propitious time • to designate as idolatry the faith of those naticus to whole we were in active alliance. He disapproved of the ma asse in which the evidence had been quoted and commuted upon by the hon member for North Warwickshire, with Imo candour than might have been expected from a religious mai speaking in that house. The amendment of the hon. member for Birmingham did not, however, go far enough in the principle of religious equality, f it only related to endowments granted by parliament. lie should be glad it his Roman Catholic brethren were in Fisch a position as to be able to do without this grant, betause, if they gave it up, they would have a stronger case against the established church; but as t...eir church was not rich enough to dispels,. with this endowment, he would support the continuance of it. Mr. UDR:WALL agreed in the opinion of the right hon. member for Oatord, in that work of his, which wall pub. fished a few years ago, in which he said that the grant to Maynooth was vicious in principle, and that it would be a thorn in the sides of the people of this country so long as it was suffered to continue. Mr. HORSMAN hoped he might nay, without any dis respect to the hon. gentleman who had just sat down, that he did not ihiok the statement he had made Lad any bear. ing on the question. They were not there to discuss the morale or the tendency of the Roman catoolie religion. The hon. gentleman had quoted certain statistics for the pupas of showing that in the Roman catholic countries there wee au amount of crime and immorality which was cot to be found in protestant countries. He bad put entirely out of sight what might be the government of those countries and what might be their police, but merely because in lonian countries where Ronan catholicism was most prevalent crime was most prevalent he had drawn an swami nt, which be (Mr. lineman) thought was not condo lye, ag.onst the Roman catholic religion. He differed from the hon.gentlerma in thinking that this was a religous question. He telt thatet was a political question, and • political questi g uno e n ru ly . . ,D The tof establishment of Maynooth bed a far deep e r um on policy than the quieting of the people of Ireland. It was welt known that the Roman catholic priests exercised the greatest is. fiuence over their flocks, and it was with a view of enlisting that influence on the side of the e, this country that Maynooth was established. (H u m The question of the abolition of the graot was br av a J before parliament in 1808, and what was the lup us used by Mr. Perceval on that occasion ? li e . 4 14 that as the Irish parliament had thought each s immure desirable, he should not disturb it, la. deed, he thought that the united parlism Jnt was bound in good faith to maintain the grant. (Hear, hear.) la 1812 Mr. Percoral repeated the Fame sentiments, question remained so till 1845, when it was again brought before parliament by Sir R. Peel, and what was his ro l a of argument? He said, if you grant your money forth suppott of Maynooth, you ought to grant enough to keep it in a state of comfort and respectability. He raid that yes should either abolish the grant altogether, or increase it to such an extent as would place it in the position in which it ought to stand. In order to show the principle on which the increase of the grant was made, he would quote the opinion J of one of the colleagues of Sir R. Peel at that time—tins opinion of the Lord Stanley ct that day, to whom the bill was entrusted in the House of Lords. His lordship made such a powerful aid exhaustive speech in favour of the bill en that occasion, that he was sure the house would pardon him if he read a somewhat long extract from it. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gentleman quoted the speech of ' Lord Stanley, on introducing the bill into the House of Lords, in 184 i, to the effect that the question which that house war called on to decide was this, that seeing Roman catholic priests must be in Ireland, whether tiJoy would have them ie.atructed or ignorant, well affected or the con trary to the government of the country. (Hear, hese.) He would now repeat what he said before. He ws.uld not sek if there was a contract regularly agreed to on both sides. He would rest the case on material facts end not on mere intentions; and he would ask the house in what light it would be viewed now, if, after the existence of the grist for 60 years, it were at this time to withdraw it. (Hem, hear.) Were they prepared to the policy mussed for so many years back ? This, however, was not a solitary instance of payment to the Roman catholic religion. They made parliamentary grants to many religions otbet than the established, to dissenters, to Roman catholic*, and even to some who did not come within the denomius Hon of Christian. They supported catholic schools and paid catholic chaplains in the army and in the navy, for the prima, and for the workhouses. (Hear.) The money paid out of the Consolidated Fund was not money taken from protestants and given to Roman catholics, it was money contributed by all the subjects of the realm, and devotedto education on the ground that the state was bound to give all children such a moral and religious education es would best conduce to the welfare of the state. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman wished to be retrogressive in his policy ; but since 1829 the whole policy of this constry ad been progressive. Measures in favour of catholics had been passed in 1831, '32, '36, '4O, and '45. when Maynootk was endowed by the bill of Sir Robert Peel. Why had this been done? Because the catholics had obtained their constitutional rights by the voice of their fellow subject , , and had thus compelled °se concearion atter another. Hence the principle was that the national religion of Ire. land had been recognised, and had been made the care of the state. The fact was that religion must be considered j not as a sectarian, but as a national affair. He objected to the term " toleration." (Hear, hear) In Reglad the majority were protestants, in Ireland the majority were catholics. The majority of the whole were protestanu ; bet taking all Europe the majority were cath , lics. (lean:hest) What was to be done . Were the two faiths to jbe placed in constant hostility ? They bad tried this up to 1829; and since then the policy of concession had byes tried with the utmost benefit at every step. (Hear, hem) The people of Ireland were equal in numbers to those of many of the catholic states of Europe; and what people had passed so nobly through suffering, and displ - yed much virtuous forbearance (Hear, hear.) . In everything that digni fi ed human nature—in bravery, fortitude, and endurance—they were entitled to rank with ourselves. (Cheers.) How absurd then to talk of toleration with re hyenas to such a people. (Hear, hear) Allusion had bees made to the influence of the priests in Ireland ; but it should be renesenbessed that they felt with the people and for flu people. In no other country bad the pri.sts been to much identified with the people. They could not say that the law or the government had been the friends of the people; fat they bad only known lawn government by their severity. But the priests had been attached to end Weeded with their flocks , _ and had done their duty soasa m tiously. (Hear, hear.) While adhering to and c the faith in which he had been brough up, he ay= with every faith and every man who was the of oppression. (Cheers.) So far from apologising comae he took, he thought it was the duty of Mr. Sunset and his friends to apologise for the course they went:o4l they were using their faith ss a means of Miloting injustice (Hear) While *iodic/stag the right of free mdfrieses_ he conceded that right to all. He opposed this moti ons the interest of charity and goodwill ; and the more he vet' rated his own religion, and wished it to be venerated by others, the more would he hold it up es the emblem of jos tics and peter to all. (Cheers.) He agreed with those ele? thought that this motion was brought forward at a tract !el', l j proper time. In Ireland all was p eace , tracquillity, prosperity; and it was most unfortunate that they thole raise this cause of discord and animosity at such a peeled . Were the motion carried, it would raise an lesso more is: portent than was anticipated in Mr. Sponcer's epaeeh, tad mould lead to dangers more serious then he isogon, Se talked of dosser to the country and the throne; 13' the opponents of the motion were prepay d to take the _re o l apopaibility of that measures which had been pursu ed , late years with regard to Ireland, and which had ten dril more than anything else to increase the loyalty of the I rate people. By continuing to promote equal laws,tbey err. have to say of the Queen, that her glory in pew e e , . '7.' s strength in war was, that she reigned in the artier spoke with the voice of a well •g d and united POP" (Cheers.) Mr. NAPIER wished to argue the question porch 'A ll m political eg . e y st . i oo o n t . b ti m e d rcefredd e d to , the original o Duke of Wellington and others, that it was never lutes. _ that that college should be maintained out o f the ptib purse. The motion was not intended to disturb an y thioe that was done before the union ; it went simply to rati t e ! 110 the endowment oat of the consolidated fund. He ese d ! n e en onthe °r a i tiori e t l y tiorß. tee — that the Roman echoic priests had become that loyal see well educated body which was anticipated from the er ts iblislkment of this seminary. In proof of this , be retr i : m 4 the Sizmile-bridge affair, and to the opinion then e by Lord Palmerston, that perhaps the priests who took r t It were not worse than the generality of priests in 7,7 .lemdc The question at issue he believed was w hether thl e o Vint had asystendency to secure an intellectual and The evidence, he thought, was eery °t i t-A ,FEZst that point. The right hon. gentleman rmenr 1 bulls 'rased at various times, particularly Wle!? Laity setter k opposition to the law. It had been mad that all r e J Omega hid berm abrogated, but still he found them petaled in 1832. By making these grants they mare "e: Primes in Ireland to carry out these canon., thus lo lore theme into collision with the law, and rendering !! liable to punishment. It had been argued by 5" .. l~ i media, out the rtisforeennenta +bleb 8110. WOOD replied that the elmarie telegraph leeeeteb to the met of mar. (Ww.) - y under the ocetrol b lthesoverament ;it was alY—I hope the no►le iiirlittores . re ep a s p, hg Arould net' Iv s k II 'discretion is ,'deg the the goremunest melee. i at to the stmegth ,ef Or 7 4 414 411 • ttSpi • • ~, 1 ' ANSPODS sERNIM. Al mid be bad alwarik ar e le i . LINDB asked the *MS of the delay is t + s whiekhlo had =seedier la II Ails of the kiattlek sli• --r . Altkoagh there as no a which every leg relating tithe wet Ihr O. D woe eatremely sorry that the rob .e.daye. anthiag scald be oossested r♦ eat ahnolly been laid is the table; it was no fan di of our armies; bat he thougt It was bat the Mersa embraced a great many devil* an e_ to its corporate capacity, so grant p et was eo pressed with wiirk tlivt the epee, •_ _.-... .a....ee.e■ wapiti have interfered with THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, MAY 2, 1855. pri au to di an Pu it th to in