The Express. — London, England, 1855-06-12 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAIIIENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—Mot , .._ • , lordships set at the causal hoes. SURVEY OF SCOTLAND. Rule( BO LINTOUN wished to homy what demist*, ' , l' uses to with regard the scale on which the Survey of Scotland was to be seseluded. es that the rich missal mad agrieultesal di.tricts were dose on a 251-iach scale, a the Highlands on a 03•Mish sad the large tains is 10 foot scale. He soda an smilers &hack seals for all, as • sap of the dislike 96-loch scale would be large enough to covet ;the French malsessy. (A laugh.) Doke of ARGYLL said that • 2.5.in0h scale wee asmosary for the cultivated distriets, but woull be wholly sloes foe the 'mountainous and sainhabited districts Os As whole, therefore, he thought the present mode suet conveniest. MONTEAOLE thought that, is reference to these es saps, • large sue of public Roney had bun ex merely for the advantage of owners of private pro 4. The ealy Must which could be rendered seefel • As largo saki map would be the Methadon of a of regiesatios If this wen done • great national -veld be (Mud worthy of the large sapinditure whisk had pas. In feet the ene- inch maps were those only sire useful for general purposes. Earl of HARDWICHE thought that the making of *scale was certainly the beet for Seetehreen. It was, swim/ an admirable Mae of their estates at the expense. (" Hear," and laughter.) Duke of ARGYLL said that the Treasury minute that the one inch map should be first proceeded with. / to the noble earl (Hardwicke), be thought it wee sere private advantage to have a plan of the entire try es a large scale ; on the contrary, it war smatter of pablie built. Au a few words in reply from the Earl of Eamirrour, imsbjeat dropped. THE FERMOY PEERAGE. Earl of DERBY would sake se apology in gabg lordship' atteatios to the egged sf the recent seem of the Barony of Feresey, fee as tpeation was mss of urnsiderable importance in sum pinball view. It salad esesiderable impetuses ha teaSLMiste of view. By the Usion the Crown wee to moshiste a sew Irelaed whenever dam sf the 'mistime peerages ba ssinet. In the passe betesse two of the three 'IMMO laps had boss esesseedi le sellsorlse the Meeh an*. Rosie bed lomebeii b,esm pews. The noble spaphdmd swiss Oat the dimitaseee attending eliallee et oft Wee/ of Nosey be referred to the gesalitthisil lithe Committee of Privileges. mike. OW MI N little dismission, was agreed to. AGRICULTURAL STATISTICS. the MOOS of Lord BTAXLIT or ALDIALIIT, the cos. es sgrlssltsral eternities wee appointed. house adjourned at W minutes pest 9 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY, Jinn 11. as Mess asessbled for $ maim; sitting at noon, whoa Speaker, who bas rammed hen kis recent Mhos leek the chair. PRIVATE BUSINESS. WESTMINSTER LAND COMPANY BILL. - the motion of Mr. FITZROY this bill was referred be Amp P, to be treated as so eppeed private bill. Tame ILRADINOS.—East lib Railway ; Fife mad Lime Railway ; Hattlemell Fier and Port ; Leek Im t ; Mid Lest mai Nadi Neat Railway; North V: e dr eals eitire sad Claeelni Salemy ; Searle Railway; fitakpart, Ditty, mad Whaley to the Bills we Bills ; Bills. re Lards' Ameedmata ea !ad agreed to :—llyde Ora ) ; Bristol sad Railway; Liverpool Corpleatisa Water ; Bill. PUBLIC BUSINNIIII. eardsder ef the early sidiag was meapied with the eciasideratiania ammittee of same farther clams of the Meaagemast ef the Kareptile beim resumed at six o'cisels. !AL COMMUNICATION WITH of AUST State RALIA. axed NAAS hewed to mere isaretary for the Celestes what seep lime beau Sans to restore to the aka -, el the Amanita Wake die advantages of steam amenialeadea ? t. WILSON, a reply, odd Nit the state of the Luta postal reestions, which he mbaitted was in a lauds ivy state, was this—Thimble kid was aware that Frost y le last Novena/am was amiably mail to Australia way of &wpm ml amber esamd ths Cape. Saes w. twe of the Pargaralar and Origami Company's boats bees disabled, mad the Tulin TM stopped betwas km sad Samna in eseratursee of the nan o( the vele& Gaplzyld IR TIRT Crimes preventing t patting a °them. At the same ti the Screw Stara Cesepay applied to have their instead for conveying the "1 retied the Cope cancelled, which was acceded to. It prepaid by the Postmaster-General that there should aseathly communication over.laad to Singapore, which to b e .4...4 P•ninsular and Oriental Company too Admiralty had asked them to over a contract fo r , refusing to give up their other monthly contract. - eimpany had asked for time to communicate with the eelesiss before they gave answer, which had not ban rescind, though aim menthe had elapsed. In the mean dr the Partmeebaelememil bad SZTORged for a monthly =eimateyed by dipper alp, mid* was found to be as se the previous mmla of conveyance ; but whoa as modal assayame weld be imaged to Singapore it - mime into °pastas. WOUNDED OFFICERS AT MALTA. IT. JUNE 11. Yr. Witt for War whether say belleindens bed hum sent out to Malta to provide hespiUl essemmodaden kr the.. sick sad wooded officers who wen unable to return home. Mr. F. PEEL said that no instructions had bees Nat, as was quite oomoetent to the military authorities at Malta place *minded officers who required it in the hospital se, or in **convalescent hospital sear Malta. AGRICULTURAL STATISTICS. Lord W. GRAHAM begged to ask the Vice-Presideat et Board of Trade whether government intended to us e the collection of agricultural statistics in England, Hu, whether it was intended to appoint the clerks of salons as permanent collectors at a stated and liberal salary • and whether it wu sweat to *nodose say ' 1 compulsory mesa» fir making a certain class of retains imperative. lir. BOUVERIB said as the noble lord bed stated it did appear by the papers before the house that the erespset et a ediestica of agricultural statistics la Ragland was net eidahrtory. Except in the West Rid* of Yorkshire, it lel been a failure. A large amount bad bees re esieni, bet it did not reach to more thaa from 10 to 16 re OWL on the whole, and that deficiency was ite sough to do away with the value of statistics. The West Lin of Yorkshire had made better returns, the defici ency being oaly esven.tentha of one per cent. of the whole. The ezpeeiment had net therefore succeeded, sad the President ofthe Bead of Trade was that day to move I. Hew of Lords tar a select committee to inquire fate ae oar of olifionitural statistics ia Englaad. Me at tempt Sesdload hod bees aa rusosesful as had bees the telione la Been& It bed been carried oa by the Wig Seihsty el lisetlead, the failures being only ese-third sf MIS par eat. The government therefore proposed to 6111111 m e the esperiassat in Scotland. 1 I 2 i IMPI 1 11 /lOUS/ Thais leek . i ) The Redid MI boas mei Oakum So eseesed lint' Vii„ ke a dem it lbe 1 PM.. allu a es the 11141. I helei Odle F ; • The Dube 1 = g irt the whok El essmehlkt. 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S' !I • .... THE NEW DEAN OF CHRIST CHURCH. ThyVERNON begged to ask the First Lord of the whether the appointasest of Gm Dean of Christ Omsk had bega}sede subiset to say conditions or shim mies as to ommiumeets, or (dimwit*, which my he room mended by tie Oxford University Colataissioners Lord PALMERSTON meld be was net aware of say re commendation homing upon Christ Church havin v e been wads. The Clemakeimma mould nuke sack tin if they pinged, tad be oarteisly did not, ha re emmended a perm whim le wee led to imilmor erms eminently fitted for the o0ef—( 0 heard sear," ms s = and deeply imbued with right primeigiss of thiak it peeper to *met from lan gay condition 'sloes course he should pantie. He tear saddled that tied vide ma would do everything to proms% say measeme of improventeut which the Oxford Clentedeimers may Rink fit to recognised. (Rear, hear.) STIPOLhTIONS OF MEMBERS OF THE GOVERN- iiiirif , itfOialfeeptifici Mr. OT who had as the payer the followiag mass of a questioa—masely. to ask the First Lord of the Trea sury if he would state what the moaditios we. which. on the formation of his governmeat. certain members of it stipu lated should met be inked of Basis, sad whether the m ust government nos den itself bound by that stipulation —said that as it wee unwary, in order to make his question intelligible, to make eau reasesks which he should sot be is order in ashlar/ sow, he would postpone it midi Friday nest, wises, as the mo ths for the adjournment of the house, he should cell attitudes to the sithiset. TEE AUSTRALIAN COLONIES BILLS. Is answer to Sit J. PALIIIOIOII, Lard J. RUSSELL said that he intended to proceed with the Austral;an Colonies Bills as Thursday neat, and they would cone ea is the order la which they now stood— the Vittoria determinant Bill being Ant, and the New South Waits doeernuent Bill sewed. ADMIRAL DUNDAS'S DESPATCHE S. Mr. ET.Liai 1.114 t uk tee Fine Lord of the Ault rslty if he had looked into the dispatches quoted by the night boa. pinholes the amber for Wilshire is the de bate the other sight, sad V be eel prepared to lay PIM on the telle t toostber with the mowers of Admiral Dint Eld O. WOOD mid that the right hew. piallessa the masher fireWhelibso had .Moved the emelles of awl P verwitiat Were reschog thews demetsbes. It wee Iles easiest that despetebse so red shield Mien =SW of the leash sad be was yeepeeei Es theesite, however, it to saki he Ye r ig Areirel Demise *mei eland preassiog his seeicees. (Hair. bear.) He WWI thersforelay es the table Meth the despatches sad Mesh Me the tamers of Abided Donau to the points When ahostshos. (Emir, hear.) THE 111,111111ING OF MEMBERS IN THE A& G. ORM SLICE OF THE SPEAKER. lk Were the hose proceeded saw of the day"he wisest to meatiest 'quasi= to fish she Steam shad sided stestioa that day, skew RI his semobass bootee Skew their sews dyeing his stessee, aad that Nam should he takes to Nose the et that Its G SPeek the ir 3 ea li rthe bssa vight is has gemiensa Meat* ( 11 ff Irli f l a ll. Fail), eta at bad hesseendgel flat a bill sheik( Welt& • _AL THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY . EVENING, JUNE 12, 1855. . muted to the house for the pinkest of remtviast all doubts cm the subject. He oaderstmod that it was desirable that that mane shoeld be taken im il 2s as asnila passed thou members would abatis f takini aa re* hogs of the house. Hs leave r:::•4 bring is • bill for the eiew, read a second time to-morrow. Mr. ELLICE said be Odd AO4 afraid taking to rn iaM Unity of impressing a hops thst 'hi' bowie * half of the occasion to place thii difficult subject ea a Min satisfactory footing than it was in at purest. He was see of the mgmbers of the oommittet to whh bl= referred, and looking to tiro difficulty ofp ro viding fury se emergency as he was sore . to set take pines the abet day, he thought it we. undeniable that no statute to embed been passed placing the matter on a satisfutoey A at stay of the datits of the Speaker were smedery, and ethers were laid down by the orders of the house, relit was damitabla that the question should be plated on a satin =tirs.masilitleaope.d the house and would taw sa t the whe e l: eets Ilseh Eir a OUT observed that the hoe. member for MM. lusi=ested that the emessittee should be re-appoints& IMP t he quintet, but he thought it was the goosed VIEW that it would be desirable to appoint another ear ~ Leave was there gives to bring in the bill. NATIONAL EDUCATION. Upon the order of the day for the second reading of the ilaßill, No. 2, DDEBLEY resumed the adjourned debate. He elosurei that the consideration of this subject had beta site peeled mow for nearly six weeks, having boon interrupted whom the house was under the influence of a speech deli. erred by the right boo. member for Oxfordshire, which was tounikahlo for ably sustained argument, manly sentiments, Ni religious feeling. But if the house had calmly upon the matter, they would have come to very dlilliouetwasielene from those to which the right here. glatioeue (Ifir,, Haley) attempted to lead them. He was appeshonolen hewer, lest the cheer with which the house sombell thellsentrable maxim which the right hon. gentle men memeleiek" that the fear of the Lord is the bagin =misltm:' should have obliterated from their retool the ruel has of the ease. They must remember how merry East this satjut of education had bun brought Wore both Mew or parliament, in every possible form, as • wit or am • private bill, as a general or local measure, bibs else • series of resolutions ' or in reports of select esuraffifee. Is every shape io which it cams forward it was AMMOMIllied with adverse arguments. Sews years ago a enelelly of the ratepayers ot Manchester petitioned parlla met to be allowed to tax themselves for odorants, bat *it request, was unfavourably received. If than the Baia al Camases had made en its mind against the prie d* el the menenett, let that decision be plainly declared. Me meat say Wig the government intended to recommend that 1M them eiweation bills, which were placed in *mittens upon the orders of the day, should he reed mite"estatil time pge4rzes, and sent to be shaped in NM • he sheet to that as a dangerous and eater etitutiutel seep The pdasiple of•• measure could net piers* be NNW is esemittee ; the sound readies wos the thee he its disesedek_ _end all second readier profetwee woos el‘eolienalin est didnet wee with the rulsu of time Sim of Ceassous. Ea lessted the advocates of • bill te fse ollesatiss iambi have to endure no more a onbjealtilkilithatee,4lksiCrirhalir ts w hic h khan something would ey b e le h huea toweedle *lasi esttleatent. He neat reviewed the stabs of egiis the house upon this steatite. There was. BwfelllBl.6. oalmod:br iss wiso lakes wit Sp :LIZ right n hon. amber s r ;s ks te r m fel ; mbeentisa. The named proposition was embodied in two o bilk tee that of the sable lord the Secretary of State Wasik/laimell), and the other that of the right bmmetet the member for Droitwich. Those two bib mere (outdid on the sass principle— Mtge whin private resources failed public rates shed* OM in, which should he distributed under the detect of the religious bodies recognised by the country, soya system had been in operation for the last 25 years or Mese. The third proposition was that of the right hon. the member for Manchester, agreeing with the ememell as to the necessity of the public remoras being ap- Oka Maid of oducation, but widely differing from them it to is mode in which they should be distributed, for he was la Melly sweeping away all the existing schools, mapping eat the kingdom anew for the purpose of education, and Melly ignoring religious Untrue:n fesot. With all respe ct to lightiben. gentleman (Er. Milner Gibson), his scheme tees me teat he (Mr. Adderley) did not feel brink to take any notice of it. The principle el it was enough to condemn it. Ile felt con timed that it bad no chance of adoptioa by the house, sad would be distatefol to the whole country ; he, therefore, deollowl to eater upon the consideration of that plan at all. Ze (Mr. Adderley) did not agree with the right hon. baro nets that portion of his plan which provided for a , sr eibitele. Re thought the two new school clauses were unite aeemrys lessaaas the religious bodies which were now row*. ORE a 41011•110tOn in the country, if only they had titration sum provided for thus, would never leave such a vacuum es to require the operation of those clauses. The same I alg=weal and Josamler. ~moww ar.. ,mowt ip treat is say system being adopted, would serve, els it was once in operation, to ustain its elkissey and supply whatever was want*. Those two dw ems were incongruous with the rest of the bill, and would tapasa it to cavils which it otherwise could not in cur; and the bill was more complete without them than with them. But be protested against the assumption of Mr. Henley that the proposals of the right hon. baronet and of Use noble lord would supersede the existing system or suspend its operations. They would do so more than sup plement its deficiencies. In places where the bounty of the squires or other patrons 'sustained the schools, or where the clergy successfully wasted half their time and lost half their influents, in Wiring for funds, ti m e bill would never be adopted at all. The effect of the bill would be to stimulate, assist, and direct private charity, as the poor-law had done. Thu right hon. member for Oxfordshire would depend exclusively on private patronage, or what he alibi individual action ; but his argument of " let well aloes " would have told just as much against the improve ments which Dr. Bell introduced, or any other changes, at any time. The present system could not be fairly called self- upporting and voluntary; for if so, why were grants repaired of parliament ? besides, what might be called farad loans—be meant the condition of • certain amount being waited by the managers of schools to mains them to any grant from the Privy Council. In plates where the will was wanting in the unit" and clergy, or where they were themselves opponents of education—as in some MSS within his own neighbourhood be (Mr. Adderley) knew, to his grief and shame, they were—in such cuss the will of the public should supply the deficiency. It had been said that mach a system would pauperism 'dui:snot ; but that remark emelt' only arise from a confusion of mind, regarding all local rates as poor rates. The local rates for paving and lighting, for public libraries and museums, could not he regarded as poor rates; then, why should an education rats be so re gardal ? After retorting to the municipal provision tor education in Canada, on which Lord Elgin had justly prided himself, the honourable gentledise turned to another objection, and said he was confident the religions disposition of the ratepayers would he security for religions instruction not being neglected. Whatever theoretical advantages the existing system might have, the question was, how did it perform its work? He allowed that great results came from it in some in stances—(hear, bear)—that from many a dams school sup ported by some religions and charitable lady, and from many a noble foundation of some wealthy landowner or manufacturer, children had contemn so well educated as to be qualified to raise themselves to high plates is society; but the clue whose benefit was to be contomplatid by • general system of education was the poorest class, sad for them sufficient provision had not been made. If they had Daly one-eighth of the population at school instead of one-ninth, then he was authorised to say that in that fraction there was a proof that they had not the foun dation of a national system. That fraction was to be found in ragged schools and in prison schools. V.' right hon. gentleman (Mr. Henley) might say that he was satisfied with this system, but that was a blind admiration which did net art whether the system was in its head or its heels. In that particular he contended the present system was wholly incompleto and it required a supplement, sad they scald only provide a supplement by local taxation. In another respect also he said the protest system was inane plata, and that was it its affect on the adult population, whose sympathies they had not succeeded in enlisting in its behalf. But he was told by the ri g ht hon. gentleman that if he were able to carry out Isis proposition for a supplemental resource by local rates, that he should be driven perforce into &system similar to that of Austria, which he cried down. The right hon. baronet the member for Droitwich rightly I °Denuded that du example of Austria was an eaample of great seal bathe muse of educatioa, and he was met by Mr. Realty, who aid the results wen sot satisfactory, that the anent? of Alibis was not sisal to the morality of Eng land, and, themisre, ha orubMled the system of Austria was worse thee that of MoileaL Bat the right hoe. gentle st& (M. Heeler) did not am that the system of Austria s a rzezelem net patresage. Lit him tell him that the insallusteue of any country were • much stronger edsealbsel power than the schools of that country. It was this desgesteis of Austria that debated the people of that esuatsy. Nut was that any reason why they should not follow the e. ale of Austria in its good part—why they should set heeethe schools of Austria with the high spirit and the morallep IdAll_psople of England ? His propositioa was sot to be MealiMd with the American sesular tutus. The bill of Shod& hon. baronet, and the bill of the noble lord (lord Jobs Zusell) were based IS the sew principle; but he *sip the noble Isla had Isobel too much to town =22IZ vestries. Batumi those two bills there was 00untry wanted, and his hoped that the two bills might be adopted, and that they he referred to anion 'catmints, that they might get %ioll unman between the two. Mr. B. DENISON nid be Might it was undevatood that eat ohs three bills should ho soisrred to a enlist eon mitts" t bat be did net think that was a good poolisamon tary *awn. He wheal to poist out one swainfros~ a whisk was egniaes Se dl the Wile—dst there wee se pieviges to indowitir leselheee sties/ewe M the wheels. la the late disansiewe. velsseues was Noble Kr. Bassi tfana's book ; and what did say in names Wilds webs ? He said thowaet of attoadaare woo v asjZs tea of sehteste, nor was it sots of the bat it was Mut the ts ar mutat of the peeente, and be mid the @tau amid Meese, se edema sielanderses at the sehook This abate etunitteed six weeks see, end he the interims there Ned bees eiessated the last mai of the ocennittom of 4 ch Meese ea edseaties. The oubstattee of that report ".t tilde es the one bead they Wife IMMO* all ..: a .. • . . the wisehlam4l . 7 as impend sad WIS• 111114 eduation, sad MP lisibir•ds of **snail& Thin . wen "will' la 4 :4 . "Sr! V: . V i tt Liti . scoshottele B ri tit it io a re so okildrea who should be st y le:hoot, 17 . .. * wen iwitiond tMe superior ends—than there ever ware before. This was ea odd bled Biwa is inn& would Inds the paints of papaw :he called It retrogradstios. The real test wa, le is than at Mini is Inger but it had a *outran how many ireildrits aro uniestructed that *veld be W ale. thil lindhasd thiehildren could get all sainted ? sad their umber far exseeded the 900.000 of ra mth nsiated . . aid thiseihre thoT kept them at Kr. Hones Mane's calculation; it woo mach seam two 11ygeMM.21111.111, Ri thit e itelf P. Home, the millions, if it did mot surpass that number, taking late as Wig lit ilid being male oblige count the proper ego at which children ought to be alder, *p illaWililikin whit worke d Is was as en- iurrnotion. How different was that from the state of things W. He thought if then wee to be say is Peens. la Mr. Joseph Kaye's admirable book on the it. be much better that it should be is the steno( ediseatioa in Europe and in England, he gave this maiwiledetsted than in the way reposidia the es bilk. &meat of Prods :—,. As I before stated, every child is J. KANNER., objected te try ineellerenes With the Germany, Helloed, sad Switzerland, for the lest 20 or 30 ezisting system of education, and minion anima length year., bee been receiving a goad *dainties. Of the men and someral of the practical details of the bill am presented. women ander 35 nine-tenths ate well educated. They Oat of the three measures proposed he preferred that of Mr. can all read, write, cipher, sing, and chaunt. They all laillses, as being the most direct and consintat in its pro- know the scripture history, and nearly all know the ent ailer'. ham of the history of their own country. Throughout all Mr., W. J. PDX expressed disappointment that the noble parts of these construe thereat. many of the poorest people 1$ lA* bed lastt spoken, after condstaniag the bill before who have learnt more then this, and know something of the his. ea various grounds, had not proposed any more the ;moral principles of science, or the principles of nose ineeideas measure to accomplish the same or similar resets. particular science. Four years ago the Prussian govern. *mid that the municipalities sad parishes would ant not meat node a general inquiry throughout the kingdom to thiamine ; but in another part of his epee* he described discover how far the school education of the people had them as overflowing with benevolence, whit* would supply been ginned, audit was then ascertained that out of all the all that was necessary in the present condition of education young men in the kingdom who had attained the age of 21 is this country. Some localities were meet noires@ of rating only two in every hundred wars unable to read. This fact themselves tot the purposes of education; • majority of the was toomatunica.ed to me by the inspector-general." What ratepayers of Manchester bad been, for a mension • contrast with this country ! where we found that, oven of of years, paining to be allowed to do se—(koar, our common soldiers, who had enjoyed the advantage of Ig o bigier)—aaal those who were desirous of taking regimental schools, only one is five were able to read ; and pen aseinges to he indulged, and every legal eine throughout the country, in every tso marriages one person tin glees to efforts It was mooed the bill would signed with • mark, instead of writing his or her name. have no offset la removing the objections of parents to send This was a subject which pressed upon the attention of the their children to existing schools. It was said that mos legislature. (Hear.) It ersa eminently pressing at the win too pea, sad that some were indifferent; bet this present moment. The state of our troops was one form of hapertent absent was overlooked by the noble lord, that that pressure; and we should do immeasurable good to apposing every locality to rats itself, and supposing ethics- future armies that might be sent forth if they were better tics to be extended by this or any other musters, the popular qualified to take care of themselves—to say nothing of the estimate of education would rise. (Hear, hear.) Those other tannage' of the development of their intellect. The who teed themselves and thus became voluntary payers for question pressed also on account of the public feeling in the the inanities of the children of their neighbours, would country. Who could doubt that the time was coming when be milittens that their money should produce the desired the great mess of the population must and would bays a bank; Per would give a tons to the peying clam in the more direct influence on the choice of members of that ablisa which would extend itself to the non- bean ? Who could doubt that the time was coming when sad would raise their appreciation of the there must and would be a tarp extension of the suffrage ? ro bught within their reach. But it And was not that an inducement, and • most powerful one, was sot a fact that education was despised on to raise the standard of that education by which they were emesat of the smallness of the payment. As in se bo impend for the wise, and safe, and useful exercise of Posts, if education were provided by the legit- their privileges ? He thought it would be no undesirable het e, it would cease to be regarded as a charity ; thing if the eslarpment of the suffrage were made condi paw of @shook would no longer go begging poor people dons! on the attainment of a certain quantum of educe- II Net *Mt 'Whew to the schools they patronised ; eds. tin, which might be raised as high as any one thought Min MUM beitiae a public right, and as such would be MONISM for the purpose, and would still operate with the "hard. (Hear, boar.) For the poor people of this beet effect, would still be a stimulus acting with afeistry were maiht m forward to demand a right as they pianist forte and power upon the gnat body of the INN M reject a been of charity, which they deemed de- +orating population. The suffrage was an object of their phial. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord bad referred settle ambition, their constant aspiration ; it was what they sn ot church-sates; but one of the three bills beim deseemed to obtain by unwise means; end the hope and ITl ll i s ous was free from that objection ; and if the bills prespest of genie' it would induce them to practise mental were seat to • committee he hoped that one would have the culture. This would be especially the ease at that period nettle lord's support. Bat dissenting had spin and spin of life in which oar modern education modesty failed ;be &daed, in their remonstrances against church-ratas, that meant that important period when the boy left school, and they would be perfectly ready to pay them if they were an the young man was not able to avail himself of the advan namtion rate; and that cheap had bees many times pro- taps of tne institute. It was in that time that whatever posed is the discussions on that question. There was had been learnt was forgotten. They continually found nether ociasideration—the dissenters were, to a large those who had been two or three, or even four or five years *Meat, true, earnest, zealous friends of emseatiou—(bar, at school, from whose minds every Mace of what they had hoar)—tad he believed the time was come when all who gained there was obliterated, worn out for want of exercise bunged to that description felt that some onapromise was and intellectual operation. But lot them have some such asseasary in the cosilict of opinions that prevailed, and prospect as the franchise in view, and they would apply that conserioa mut be made on one side as well as on the themselves to keep up their attainments; the infallible n ether ; sad that there was an earnest and general desire to salt of application would be to extend their knowledge ; and have some great measure adopted which should redeem the thus they would become better members of the institute country from its present condition. (Hoar, hoer.) He and of society, and better qualified for the exercise of he rightly understood the noble lord to have re- political franchise. In every point of view the good Donna the nitrites he formerly professed, which were that would thus be realised for the county was of spies* education altogether ; his Utopia was the moot inestimable character ; and its extension had a ' Knowledge on them no lurid light hath shed ; moat saint claim upon the consideration of parliament. But faith stands e'er in education's stead." When they spoke of the present plan SS a System, they (Laughter.) If the noble lord maintained that opinion, was gave it a name to which it was not entitled. They should then so difference between faith associated with knowledge not talk of its permanence; for it was a thing not of a na sal faith associated with ignorant:* ? (Hear, hear.) He tin to be permanent. We were in a transition state as to Intend to hear the objections of Mr. Adderloy to sending education, • state which limited its own duration by the the three bills to a select committee. All the bills were very n 04 410114 ()lite olislowoo• How had this great mow founded on the same principle so far as to warrant their meat of popular education begun? With private beauty being subjected to a common treatment, and, if practicable, linos ;in the form of Sunday schools,—fleet by that expel ,to an amalgamation. They all went on the principle lent usas, Bake., cf Gloucester. From the individual it ,if localities rating themselves. They all provided extended to the religious body with which ha was con- ha local authority in the management of the anted. That was the first step, the approach towards ellhais. They all endeavoured to furnish • check and a organisation; there was association, combination, union. iptintes for that local authority by the intervention of a Prom single or isolated congregations, or churches, it ex eland authority in some farm or other. They all either tended itself to sects, and to those large amociatiou which adietail the direct inculcation of religion, or provided, as had been, from their permanence, taken to represent anemia of the third bill, facilities for its being given, so the natation of this country. It was only another SS to extend the dentines of the instruction to that form step is the same progress that was now sought of religion which the friends and parents of the children to be made. The princtple of organisation and con thought most desirable. And they all admitted, either to a binatioa which led to the action of the church re 'ster or less extent, the principle of free schools—a prin. and the association were still et work ; and if pro cipii, w hi c h wan min t i mpor t an t. With such an amount of gross was to exist at all in education, it would be found 'grummet, the difference was necessarily one comparatively in that direction. These combinations must go on till it of detail, a difference which might be adjusted by • cos- became strictly and properly a national concern, and till, mitts.; and those portions etch* measures which should be is the view of all ranks of society in all their grades, we had deemed the lent obnoxious might be severed from the rest, arrived at the conclusion that universal education was • and put. lora in toe form of i national measure, national institution. (Hear.) 1 which night be expected to ieelise the most ten- Se JOHN PAKINGTON said that he never rose t* portant results. Indeed, the very circumstance of there address the home with greater anxiety, for his tontines' being these three bills before the house indicated that of the importance of the question to be decided by the vote we had arrived at a species of trigs in this of that sight were sincere and deep. He addressed the 1 *donation question. Each class of thinkers on the house under disadvantsges to which no member of the subject had given its lucabrations • definite and tangible house ought to be exposed. He cut no blame on the Stem ; each told the way in which it would legislate for the government, from whom he had received every fairness and satire country. There was only one other mode—adhesion courtesy, but there must be something wrong in the pro le the prompt mixed system of public grants and voluntary medinp of an assembly like that when • debate on a exertion ; and we had arrived at • moment when the contest subject of this nature being adjourned, an interval of six might be fairly tried between the present mongrel system, weeks elapsed before any reply could be made to the sign the present combination in which one part seemed bacon- meats then used. Under those disadvantages he took ea mous with another part, and the adoption of some general early opportunity of reply to a speech of his right hen and comprehensive scheme. He knew that some objected friend the member for Oxfordshire, delivered, six altogether to the interference of the state in this matter. weeks ago, whin, he admitted, was a speech of ' groat But he would ask them—Where is the duty of education ? ability and research, and which had created, as it deserved where has Provideace devolved that duty ? On the parent, to create, a great impression in the house and the country. and devolving that duty on the parent, it gave a correlative He should proceed to answer that speech, and he would in right to the child to be educated. If • parent neglected that the outset frankly say what the substance of his reply would duty, he committed a wrong—a wrong upon his own off- be. His right hon. friend spoke with a published copy of spring, which the state had • full and competent right to his (Sir J. Pakington's) sue& in his hand, to which he interpose end correct. Interference by the state to prevent said be would reply. His answer to his right hon. friend the abuse of parental authority had been one of those great was that he had either omitted or evaded all the strongest progressive measures which had tanked the advance points of his (Sir I. Pakington's) addrese. He would pro of civilisation. And if we kept the child secure from phy- con to supply the omissions of his right hon. friend. His sical ill-treatment (as we did) at the bands of bis parent, we anxieties wars greatly increased by the line taken by his surely had the right to protect him from that moral ill. right hon. friend, and which had been followed by his noble treatment—that defrauding him of one of the best sad most friend the member for Colchester that night. His right hon. valuable rights, which the parent committed who left him friend and his noble friend did not confine themselves to sltoiether uninstructed. Them, society had • right of its criticising the measures proposed by the noble lord (J. Rum en. Its own self-preservation was among the flat laws sell), the member for Manchester (Mr. Gibson), and him that ought to guide its movements ; and the very existence self, bet they both boldly and broadly said that no change of society—usuredly, its well-being at all times—was en- was required with regard te education—that we were doing clangored, if ignorant and vicious parents might at their well as we were, and warned us to beware how we disturbed pleasure turn forth one generation after another of semi. •system which had don so much good. His noble friend savages, to disturb the order of society. to imperil the safety 'aid that night that the system had not failed, and wee not and comfort of the honest and well disposed, and to bring failing. That proposition be intended to grapple with. If confusion into that national existence which ought to be the his noble and right boa. frisads wore tight, it would be bonded harmony, peace, and progress. (Chun.) It was said wasting the time of the house to go on with that the present system had been very successful. He the noble lord's bill or his own. He meant, how looked in vain for evidences of that success. (Hoar, hear.) ever, to contravene sad deny that prepaid= ; and He did not accept for success the number of schools Its would say that if parliament allowed things to and scholars upon paper. (Hear, hear.) He asked soatiaue as they wen, it abandouti one of the first duties for other evidence ; and be found other *vanes, of • legislature. Lit not his right bon. friend think that both as to the extent and the quality of the *dentin such a question as this was to be decided by such paltry given. An hon. member said go to the gaol.. He did ert, censideratins as this, that when he (Sir J. Pakingtoa) was and found that the great bulk of those committed were quoting the Rork of Mr. Kaye he was led into an error with those who had been at such schools as new stated. The regard to an Austrian table of crime. You would not utterly untaught, who had bad no vestige of training at any decide that question on such a paltry issue, but it must be school whatever, were a comparatively small number. The decided upon facts founded on evidence and truth, and in well-taught were • Dumber so small that it was difficult to that only he relied. If the evidence he adduced could be find • fraction or decimal low enough to express its proper- costumed, and he was shown to be wrong; if it could be ton to the remainder. They had all been at such schools shown that we could go on as we are, and that as now existed, and they bad been there to no such perms the state of education could be left as it is with in served to make them honest and useful members of out cuinge to our institution', he would tender society. Take another class of evidences—ths mechanics' his thanks to his right hon. friend, or any one and literary institutes, which were sprinting up latterly is who would convince him of that ; for it was with great abundance all over the country. St hat was the uni- regret that he came to the conclusion he entertained on venal complaint as to those institutes—a complaint *is question. After the length at which his right hon. made by the Bishop of Manchester in Lancashire, friend dwelt on his supposed mistake about Austria, he could by Professor Maurice in London, sad everywhere when not pass it over, but he would dispose of the matter in a rood institutions existed ? That their benefits were few words. He had drawn a comparison between the anted, their advantages crippled, by the want of amount of coavieted crime in Austria and this country es a rudimentary training. That was the complaint in compared with their relative populations; but he only gave every Cu.. Young men were not sufficiently quill. it for what it was worth, on general grounds. His right fled beforehand ; even those who were so desirous of ho.. friend, having applied to that point his microscopic intellectual improvement that they willingly joined this eye which he used so potently in matters of detail, disoo lastinates and enrolled themselves in the classes, were con- 'arid that the table did not include what he called tingly tuned back for wont of that key of knowledge summary conviction.. He (Sir J. Pakington) had wash enabled them to unlock even its outer courts. In the inquired of Mr. Kays, and he believed that his Purple's College in London—that noble institution—Pro. right hon. friend was correct. But he (Sir J. Pakiagton) him Maurice was obliged to establish • rudimentary bad made another mistake which was of importance, with Waal, to prepare the young men for its advantages. What regard to his argument, for he stated that the summary cos ta that but a strong condemnation of the existing system 'lotions in England in the year to which he alined were of education ? They might look abroad, if they would, at 60,000, whereas he found they amounted to 90,000, or one best army—those brave and gallant fellows, who had plenty third more than he had stated. But he would dwell no lithe censtitittienal English courage. Might not a moiety, longer on this point. Any calculations founded on convict if sot more, of the misery which they suffered last winter Lions must be erroneous, because of the vast quantity of un- I haw been averted, had their intelligence been • little more denoted erne in this country. He had got returns from eattinted, had they been but able to do thou common two of the most highly educated countries in Estop*, Dea -1 metters the teaching of which was now to be introduced into mark and Holland, and in Denmark he found that the re oar schools, and which would not have left them the help- Min amount of convicted crime was less than in Eng less beings they were, the victim of their own ignorant*, land, and it was also less in Holland, though not in so in not knowing how to make the most of the scanty large a ratio. Hie right hon. friend also accused =stunk which were within their reach ? Look him of a mistake of greater importance namely, that the I again at our charelise. Look at that census which proportion of number of children at sc hools in Austria was I cold the extraordinary sad humbling fact that one-third of not se great as he bad stated. Now, his right hon. friend the population of this country was not to be found within had quoted from • book in the library which contained a the walls of either church or chapel. If rudimentary nos-official statement,whereu be bad got official documents enestioa were bat better, that number must inevitably be with regard to Austria. The result wu that in 1847, in degreased. Oa this point he would appeal to the United the whole of Austria, with the exception of Hungary, Ye- States of America, so much condemned for it merely secular nice, and Lombardy, and including Gallic* where the rate education. The statistic' of the American churches showed of education was very low, containing a population of 18 that almost the entire population was imbued with one million., thus were of young persons attending schools and form of belief or another. That was the effect of know- unintritise, 2,130,000, and of adults 2,140,000, or inn, imparted on merely secular principles. Their gaols about one in eight of the population. To put it told the same tale against us es the churches. The gnat another way, it would be found that in this population of bulk of the prisoners were not native", who had had this 18 millions there were 2,118,000 children between the ages treinieg, but emigrants from Europe, eel unhappily too of 6 and 12, of whom there were attending schools 1,431,000, many of them from this and the sister country. (Hear, leaving the number of 684,000 who did not attend schools. bear.) He would try the question of success on the lowan Atone hearing his right hen. Mend would have supposed Imillia ina geige l ot th in boast at :l o n g u , m l t b i n s ta t ;s l i W nee in e w l l B B l . B , r e e n d i Lad th ili st atuiese w l" ; aad disi friesi llagesail lie oe4 bad lo i:di 4.11:,..,bedb......4 eiabelslc --rie-4..., cal. .. ; . l ed . ba p tirlE g .rnig t hA os tust ) ii i i d a. la II and a fraction were at school. There was a node • mistake with regard to it. But all he meant =acy in this way of stating the progress. It to show was that in this great question Ent an increase in the number at school empend with hind was lagging behind the Tact of the world the gross population; but what did it show ascent number with the szeeptioa of Russia, Span, and the wilisrlitsiitl the canto slave states of America. Speaking broadly and generally, istionefthet:n education r ° of ?chißldetenh" gene who o e ugre s ete at school. he repeated that statement, and believed it to be comet. and who Were not at school, and found that it was a repo lie referred not wily to Austria, bat to Denmark, Holland, WIT Imillisbis number; it wasted op by tom, and coons, pen of gnu% rim*, B aum an d own all v 4 gwittio Fl i • • ,^ load, mad the. frig Maim of Anseries. whereas his right lie. friend serer elltded to those sanatriee, but Missed on Austria dens, the het beisg that all those Demetrios were ahead tee us. After all, the main question was the state of edsestion d hems, sad he wished to show that his right bon. Irked had omitted or evaded proofs which he had given of the want of education is England. He (Bir J. Pakiagton) had bees amused of ezwesated statements ; bat he avoided laying Miami( Was to that charge, and made no statement except cut official authority sad say ezeggeratedrtotemeat was met his, bat that of officials. He had first alluded to the condition of eight parishes is the metropolis, four south and four north of the Thames, and he said that in these parishes them 111,000 children, of whom 36,000 were at some sort of leaceol, including ragged schools, ke allowed 27,000 fur pri vate schools ; sod there remained 47,00 0 who were not at school at all. His right bon. Mead never alluded to that, for it would be extremely difficult after such a ease to say we were going on well and should be contest with the pre sent system. In his next statement he had referred to five esnaties is the West of England, on the authority of 3fre. Habisess the iespector of workhouses, and his right hen. friend said he had quoted Kr. Raddoek unfairly. But teeth in Mr. Haddock's case read that of Sir John Hays Skuttleworth, which had boss mentioned by his right hon. Mead, both these gentlemen had written complaining of Meniesetion put on their statements by his right hon. heed. Re (Sir J. Pakiegtom) had quoted, ss what Mr. Huddeek said, that in these flee twenties ' part of the chil dren lathe workhouses between six and twelve could not only not reed and write, but that they did not know the Lord's Prayer or the Creed, sad sway of them did not know of the glisten*, of a God. That statement his right hon. friend thought he bad dispoted of when he said it referred only to 6,760 child's', and therefore the induction was a very narrow one if it was worth anything at all. That as the way his right hon. friend talked of 6,760 ehildrea in workhouses. But he forgot that they were a fluctuating body, and come from every part of the union to which they belonged, and Mr. Haddock said that he found this state of the children the rule and not the exception. (The right hon. baronet here read a letter from Kr. Haddock. stating that 19 out of 20 children were grossly ignorant, and that Mr. Henley's statement that the number of children mentioned by him was only 6,000 was beside the mark, for the messes' of the ignorance of the children was the area from which they cams, including tea twenties, sad not five, as had been said by sir John Pikington, among which were Somerset, Wilts, Hants, Barks, (Ammeter, dtc., fro.). The next statement his right hon. friend had referred to was that relating to the ignorance of the militia In the Easter" Coun ties. Before he referred to that point, he wished to allude to a subject which had been mentioned by several persons in the course of the debate—he meant the inferior quality of tbe @shoots and of the education In this country. One proof he gave of it was by a quotation from the re nert of Mr. Horace Mann, in which he said that 700 of our schoolmasters and mistresses could not sign their names. His right hon. friend said that was unimportant, because they were only the masters and mistresses of infant schools. Bet his right hon. friend would not say how many of them belonged to infant schools, and he (Sir J. Pakington) would maintain that persons so ignorant were not fit to have charge of children of any age —(hear, hear)—and, therefore, that fact was conclusive to prove the unsatiafactery state of education in England. His right hon. friend went on to deal with the statement that a great number of militiamen could not sign their names; but his right hon. friend had not quoted that part of his speech correctly. With regard to the militia regi meats, he (Sir J. Pakingtaa) had quoted from a report of the Rey. Kr. Mitchell, on. of the inspectors of schools, and he referred to regiments in five counties within Mr. Mitchell's district, and he found that out of 6,000 militia men two-thirds were linable to sign their name. He had brought that forward as a proof, and he now repeated it, that the state of education in those five counties was very unsatisfactory, and that Mr. Mitchell took it as a test of education in agricultural districts. His right hon. friend said that those man were all above twenty years old, and that they afforded no proof of what the state of education among children was now. He (Sir J. Pakington) had written to Mr. Mitchell, and *eked if there had been any improvement in those five counties in the last six or eight issere, and he had received from him an answer which he stated that there had been a slight and gradual improvement among the working classes, and is the towns where there were inspectors the proems had been even pasese, Mt that both he and his colleague were of opinion that the character of the instruction given in the greater part of the agricultural schools held out no hope that the eilsestion afforded could be improved is the next eight or tea ears ; the funds for the support of the schools were not sent, books were deficient, the teanhen were illiterate, and in many cases not morally fitted for their position. That was the answer of Mr. Mitchell, and it met the argu ments used by his right hon. friend against the deductions drawn by him from the state of the militia re giments. He now cams to a statement of his right hon. friend to which he had listened with pain. He alluded to them • which his right hon. friend had spoken of certain statements derived from Mr. Clay, the chaplain of Preston Gaol. His right hon. friend did not grapple with those statements, but he alluded to them es well known extracts from stereotyped reports from Preston. The right hon. baronet then went on to complain that the statements of Mr. Clay should be treated with disrespect. That gentlemen had been 24 years chaplain of Preston Gaol, and made annual reports showing the terrible state of the labouring classes in the neighbourhood of that town. He (Sir J. Pakington) had stated that he had it from Mr. Clay that in one year there were no less than 3,000 priaoaers in the gaol, of whom 41 per cent. did not know the name of the Saviour ; 67 per cant. did not knew the meaning of truth ; 61 per cent. did not know the name of the Queen, and 62 per cent. did not know the meaning of the words virtue and vice. If that was true of the neighbourhood of Preston, was it true of say other part of the country ? He feare d was with regard to a con siderable part of the country. Mr. Clay had lately sent him an extract from his report, as yet unpublished, foe the year 1854. It appeared that the number of prisoners was smaller than in 1849 ; but the general results were the same ; there was a very large per cottage ignorant of the elementary truths of religion. Siloam statements had been made by the governors of the gaols of Lancaster and Durham, and there was a report from the chaplain of the gaol et Sussex, an egri. cultural county. What said the chaplain of the gaol of Suess: The right hon. baronet then read an extract from the report of the chaplain, to the effect " that the most gross ignorance prevailed among the great body of the prisoners, that out of 177 lads brought in the course of a year, 80 were unable to reed. The number of pri sm's's was 699, of whom 267 could neither real nor write, 304 could only do so imperfectly, 79 were ignorant of the name of the Saviour, and 320 scarcely knew more." He could not agree with hi: right hon. friend (Mr. Henley) when he said they ought not to disturb a system which was producing such results. On the contrary, such results went far to prove that something was absolutely necessary to be done to disturb such a state of things. His right hon. friend had also taken great exception to the manner in which he hod arran a t e tiel monetary portion of the bill. Now he (Sir J. P ) entirely dissented from the statement of kis right friend, who hod informed the house that the rating proposal affected real property un justly. His proposal was a 6d. rate—to which was to he added a sum, equal to the produce of the rate, from those grants which were made in aid of education. He certainly did think that the houses's' thesisstry oughtaot to objecttoany fair burden imposed for the sake of education. He regarded those statesmen who would not propose taxes for education in the same light as he regarded those owners of land who would not bear the expense of drainage. In both cases a harvest would be respod—it would amply repay the expense. He firmly believed that the majority of the people of this country would rather pay taxes for schools than for gaols end workhouses. The question whether or not rates were to he levied as a means of raising the requisite funds was a very important one. His right hen. friend (Kr. Henley), in his speech upon the subject, had quoted a passage from the work of Sir J. H. Situttleworth, conveying the impression that that distinguished authority was unfavourable to his (Sir Joha Pakington's) plea. But since that speech was made, he had received a letter from Sir J. K. Shuttleworth—• letter complaining that the quotation used did not fairly represent kis Mews, and stating that he was favourable to the plan of an educational rate. Allusion had been made in the course of the debate to the volume of minutes recently published by the Privy Council. In that volume he found still further proof of the justify of tho views which he had already expressed on this subject. Several persons, whose evidence was there col-. looted, spoke in favour of an educational rate. Mr. Kew Body decidedly approve of such a plao. So also did several clergymen of the church of England. His' right honourable friend bad objected to his bill, because he said it would have an injurious effect upon the church. Now, in this volume there was an address from an archdeacon to his clergy, in which he suggested that a local rate would be the only means by which, in some of their districts, schools could be supported. So again Dr. Hook, of Leeds, another authority in the church, had written a letter enforcing the same view.' He (Sir J. Pakington) had received a letter from a clergy- man named Ellis, residing in a large and populous district, created ostler Sir Robert Peel's act, in Staffordshire. This cleremn stated that in hie district there were schoolrooms which were closed for the want of fonds ; in fact, throughout , the locality, the population of which was 7,000, there were bas. three schools worth naming —one of these was the parish wheel, one the Wesleyan school, and one a school tablished by Earl Grenville for the we of his workmen. This showed how unsatisfactory was the working of the moat voluntary system. It had been said by hie right Ma. friend (Mr. Henley) that his bill would pauperise the seautry. Was this because he proposed that his schools should be free ? On two or three recent occasions they had had two distiagoished statesmen of the United States—ges t/men who had held the Meets of President—present in that home. Whet would these gentlemen say if his right lea. friend told them that the states of Philadelphia, of New Tack, and of Massachusetts were pauperised by free Weeds ? What would be mid in Holland at such a state meat ? Coming nearer bone still, be would ask those hos. gentlemen opposite wk. represented Scotland whether that country was pauperised by its free schools ? But his right hon. friend had also said that even admitting the evils of which complaint was made, the bill would not cure them, because it would not oblige abildrea to some to school. When he (Sr J. Pakiogton) prepared the bill he had been asked to introduce compulsory clauses, and subsequently the same request had been made to him. Standing, how ever, in that house as a private member, he did not think that be should be likely to succeed with a bill having such peviaions. But this was net his only objection to intro bilis m havoc. Attu assideriDg theynattir,he thoseat it premature to attempt to make the atteudicef o h m compulsory until there were more scho o l s for theiste-: After reading some extracts from repo r t s of the - to show that where good free schools bad been they were well appreciated by the working d am peasantry, the right hon. baronet said he bahi.j the (*difference to education which did uehappo, ;MI amongst them arose in a great degree from tae ;IC4 of the teaching at the existing schools. He referred legs of Ling's Sombourn, where thoroughly goj i , was established, ley the Rev. Mr. De ems ad — ""el attended by one-sixth o the population of dis 11 1, • sides fifty children from other parishes, matoral labourers sendiag their children re... floe miles to the daily school. H e """ett however, that elsewhere there was not sl a t readiness to avail themselves of edu st j a that it might hereafter be necessary to peas as no child should be allowed to obtain employ ment parents could produce a certificate of its heels' a n d s Wu amount of schooling. Another fact noticed er Sombourn was the mixing together of the ithildrea , bowers with thou of farmers end of the tradesuathc T ed (s h.:: ' , ,..:7 " f i ` o n a r g t t h w h it n) co m f r e d l d t tly e g c s r l i us g a r t e , a al a t a t ia o ie n u t t g y of ti l o r az h i e eesno mess a that i ra i i 3 ... wok the children of the poor they were chiefly provide. The free schools which he would have i would not be charity schools, as they would be 6 the rates . • and he wished the farmer or th e tndseea s who paid his euucation rate to know that in it be would be entitled to have the means of read ,L"' unitary instruction provided for his children. Amu; beyond that must of course be left to parents of the —7 tag e edam, according to their means end their jud ges bestow upon their own children ; bet so fu mentor, education went, he saw no reason shy should not have the benefit of the rate, and there vera stances to prove the pouibility of their minus it IM same school with the children of the right hon. friend (Mr. Henley) had said than= Ell ignored the existence of the clergy a i d the pa id system. He (Sir J. Pakington) entirely deal* do* tug of that remark. He thought indeed that the awed the Church of England must not assume to thinesseuei right of teaching the children of dissenters; but their* upon their own people and in their own schools we feepe pen/able. Neither was it fair to say that be (Sir I.Ped u ten) proposed to interfere with existing schools. Beau,' mein to interfere at all with that just and proper iega m i which the clergy exercised ever the church schools, k • a proof that education could not be conducted secluded'''. the parochial system, he learnt from the chugs a A, l g deacon Williams, of Llandaff, that there were is ted i come parishes so small as to have only 37, sod ilet pay only 17 inhabitants. An hen. friend of his um Ulf obliged, on hie estate, to put five parishes toga dug 4 e, school; and he (Sir John Pakington) here fa y d own county some pariahee where there west east h children enough to fill a school. On the elks there were parishes like Bruslem, in Staffordaimsehip that there must be six or seven schools in use was necessary, therefore, to modify the parochial Maim by h Arinst school districts of suitable extent. His tiles t friend (Mr. Henley) had contended that Wiles Wee Oft would not be provided for by the plan *ilk be ilk 1 J. Pakington) recommended. That be shogetker ei Mr. Henley seemed to imply that this plan was the Mu that of the United States with regard te religion. Oa tls contrary, it wu just the opposite system, for be (Suf. Pakington) proposed that every school should haves 4 tinctly religious character ; but in the United Stem he ern afraid it was true that the system adopted bed tended les dangerous neglect of religious teaching. That *id he required, and to which his right hoiranble friend objected, was only that no dissolving ehh should have the church teaching forced upon it; =Her could that lead to the secular system? In the protesten Swiss cantons and in some other states of Serape such t plet was adopted; and in Scotland Roman catholic Udell were freely admitted to the schools without having aeyea tenant doctrines forced upon them. Why, thee, should ity evil consequences be apprehended hen ? He had Istely heard of a school at Wandsworth where the same plea el adopted, end, in fact, it bad been practically introduced it a large proportion of the church schools in this marry, The only real danger of a secular system ever miss *is adopted in this country was caused by the extreme Gun d the church party preventing the sdoptioa of a mina system like this, and so driving those who were male of the miserable state of education amongst the nob n accept the secular system, whether they liked liter egt rather than have nothing done to supply the warnatirlio tion. Mr. Henley had asked how the childrea ulm parents objected to the religious teaching of the side* be taught religion at all ? In eases where the pm** jetted, the parent was responsible, and the parent's dglitte teach his own child religion was paramount ; tea k* fairly be presumed that where religious scruple WWI the objection, be would be sure to teach the child Ids tf gion at home. At present, the children of dined* come to the church schools; but a remarkable fad en stated in a pamphlet of the Dean of Salisbury ca the authority of an inspector in Wale , . It was that is beet where the teaching of church doctrines was insisted elm dissenting parents sent their children, bet lisp them that, although they were to learn to dud catechism, they were not to believe h. WY could be more fatal to religious sincerity, esd nee injurious to the character of the people, thee tub • "organised hypocrisy" as this, in which the chalets, warned by their own parents, not to believe what they hei to learn ? Was not the honest system far better, shoji* to the parents candidly, " This is a church vial, bet it press nothing upon the children of those who direst he the church against their parent's will, and n ine that you, who object to the church deem are teaching your own religions doctrine at hens?' He attached greet important.° to local boards, 'albite' !hey would tend not only to improve the schools, has remove indifference on the part of parent., and Mout better attendsuce of children. As regarded the candle of council, he must say that if increased sums wen 11 voted by parliament, aid taxes to be levied for the Mr of schools, he thought that there should be a sepustsilt partment of State for education,and a ministery fa there Hon of a ;recognised member of the government re* st all times to answer questions and to afford uplands There was one aspect of this question which sore** him worthy of special consideration, namely, that,* was connected with politico. In the year 1853 the 04 lord the member for London, in introducing a stamens the house, observed, if he recollected rightly, that due tension of political rights ought to be preceded by the to tension of education. Nothing could be more deigerm than democratic institutions with an ignorant people. is them follow the example of the United States kith matter. From the commencement of the indepeueme of those states it bad clearly been felt de for the safety of democratic institutions it In euential that there should be a good system of edocedn: Nothing, he believed, was more dangerous than to Mil political privileges before the people bad been fitted fee* discharge of political duties. He had brought forward*? bill in no spirit of rivalry towards the noble lord (Lail. Russell), who had added lustre to his aim, by he turd. in the cause of education ; and, after what had ping tls evening, he need scarcely Say that he had had os PA object in view. Indeed, the subject was above pertyer,'• and he was willing to act as a fellow-labourer with *e lee e lord, on the principle that their duty to their felic. creatures, their duty to their country, their duty to ? ef. required that they should endeavour to remove fee! Christian England the curse of ignorance. felth. l ,l He implored the house to act in the spirit is be had introduced the measure, and to bear in mulel: first words of the first lesson which the church Prellem for the service of that very day, "A wise judge will isereg his people." (Cheers.) Mr. EWART moved the adjournment of the delete.. Mr. HADFIELD moved its adjournment for four go y , but did not press kis amendment. Mr. HENLEY explained that be had used the SPa which he had put forward respecting crime in Anil:MO"' authority of a book in the library of the boys. , After a short conversation, it was agreed that th e °"'" should be adjourned till Monday next. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. us miscellaneous conversation ensued respecting opfalLegigmatiTroembsutasitnedeset.haltnotabeFerioudruay evening le o d g i s scu up essee p .: , l 7 LVA" "- be put down for the first business, in order to gi Layard an opportunity to bring forward his whoa rep' ing administrative reform. Various bills were forwarded a stage, and The house adjourned at half-past one o'clock. The Assize Court at Antwerp was amused ether day by the reply of a Flemish peasant, who, 0 00 lilted if, on the day she saw the accused, he curia*. tesehioe, naively answered " Yes, Monsieur , but I cle'. remember where." The Prince and Princess of Prussia are etelioo Coblents. Ex-King Louis, of Bavaria, has ravage Munich from his tour in Italy. A letter of the 9th, from Hamburg. in the 14:0 pendants Beige, states that huts capable of costliest., of our infantry ars being erected upon the Heligoland, and that the English series Governme n t Wet 7, lug a series of forts upon the island in order tha t it sel; generally available ex a statioa for the SNOW , ° I I j ig o North See. The English annul at Kiel had bete of the approaching arrival of the third disisios d English fleet under Rear-Admiral Elite., intended tif f fore, the fleet of Admiral Dundee in the Golf ° f Fisleo Mr. Hayter writes to • contemporary to 16 J the appointment of his brother's partner was sasie7,e to him (Mr. W. G. Hayti* and that that gentkit °l o strong conservative—perhaps something more.' Tts of the gentleman so appointed, also writes to say Old „.. official " is the son of a man who for upwards of 61 yle°' seitalted es the arduous business of packing, shiPPO. suing. and distributing to our various mr.iful throoge.out the world the clothing and accoutrements! etteF," and moreover "is him self the f at her of 1 1 ut The hut piece of gossip in the Paris esloss 1 the , s Conferences" are to be resumed* bet ibio Paris, and not It Timm