The Express. — London, England, 1850-02-05 00:00:00

i (- -N IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—MONDAT, FEB. 4. fu LORD CRANCILLOR t Ok his ot at at 6 o'clock. PETITIONS PRESENTED. SLATS TRAPIL—By Cut Earl of CARLISLE, from Wok*. c4raplotruig Brasiliaa sad Portuourio elm dindr. New Sorrw WALPS —By Lord MONTKAGLE, from wept my d New S,neth Wales, complaining of an order of mein restoriog trump /nation to that coney. Err , GREY eat I that to as early day he intended to In em the obis of toe house despatches which would ezplein all that had b:en done on thee sist4get. He nuked that trom throe dereatches thr loreithips would see that the areprearnains whiee were ei felt with rapist to this matter were quit* mfour.ded. and that the gmeranient had only acted upon the sec emmeadati-n of the legidatlve council of the col ..ny on tbe subject._ HEALTH OF TOWNS (SCOTLAND) The Dike of eIONTROSE wind whether it was the %anti a of the reveroment to intradoce a Health of Towne Bill fur Sudan duties the remit anion. The Earl a CARLISLE believed that without delay such • bill would be havodueed into the Roost of Commons. ANSWER TO THE ADDRESS. The LORD CHAMBERLAIN (the Marquis of Breadth base) reed beg illajeafe snot gracious salver to their lordships * Wren. ' My lords, I thank you for your loyal and denial adieux. It a highly gratefjiog to me to receive sada an aureate of your felt ere on the lois which the royal fusily and she whole eatho bare suetabeed by the death of her M .j.sty Queue Adelatte. It will be my stu ly to pro mote tne welfare of my pe , ple met watch over the important than cs confide t to my cue." COURT OF BANKRUPTCY. The LORD CHANCELIeeIt laid on the table a bill to unite or otti,e. nt the eller registrar of tke Court of Bant le: LI ar.d tee Lord Cleaccelloes secretary of bukrupts. Lord BROV.IIIAIII said that the team of the two offices wou'al be an and neat suleg to the country. The bill was than a td a tirm AFFAIRS OF GREECE. Lord STANLEY. in musseaces of notice, me for the remote of sad a, 'attention to a matter which appeared of seta:tent importerce to warrant being brought under con siderate n SR roe% 'aphis/et:on as the government 'sight be able te afford. Woes ha took the iib.rty of commenting co the terms in which her KM ay wee 'derma to et . ..Orme parliament as as cur krci..n eel ettoi s. he did rot anticipate that within a Crof 2t bouts a eery estraerdinary .ieht would be w l n %quotient aseerti aof estate ofpcacsaudsmiteinwhich her My -sty affirm d that this country was with oar foreign relations • and it was with cinsiderable surprise and with great trent that en Fria,' or Saturday morning, he found, throorb the chant!, of adieu,. Ufeetnatiou, that an snot bad occurred of eoelielenble e runes, in width, as it same.: to him, this oantnr had proceeded to acts of wejusti- Bible v—lence ane:nst a frit r..:11 foreign stete, the weakness of which state doll have been the strongest induetment fee great farbrarann o our pat, and whale perol positi a with other countries ?soden' any stone rereading a matter of more conse quence than wall appetite from the importance of the state itself. II they were correctly into- , ned it would sprier that on she ram from what he could hardly help considering an ill-advised espedition of A?nair el Paektes squadron up the Detriments, an opportunity was taken to assemble the aqua .T. 41 aa the coast of Grace. Immediately on the wavelet tho fleet it appeared that the British minister at Athena. Sir Thomas Were. oall:d on the Greek minister for foreign affairs, secoanakd by Sir William Parker, and, in his preeme, informed that simian, verbally, that he was tkt,re tee the papal of demanding a categori. al answer and as sweat to certain de rewinds which had been for tome time a heisting en the put of enema ?faith subjects, within tee period of twenty kin lean; addine that if they WIN not complied with Sir Willies Puke, and kb fi -et were then for the pupae of enforelog submission to his de. mead. This demand was addreoed to a minister who, to a very short time had batlike seals of sales; and it had uo refernee to gnat internatiocal questioss not eves to that athirst coo which then had bees so aside disco- sion and difiLulty—the reicyment of the lean by Greece ; but it had mientece to int •actions at very inferior sad insignilleant ebanster, Leyden, (dello for redress on the past of British =s, or by those who called themselves as, some of had bets actually settled, or wen in a wane of being nettled, or were waitic th t I-gal adjudication of judicial tribmals. He hoped the detail which he had seen en some of oversees wen gentle eautherated. He hoped that it was impossible that any British minister could use such empressioas in reference to the justie- of the course pursued, fiat "jest of not it inset be complied with ;" and in reply to a question for farther delay, writ time could be afforded for teceesour icatinp w with Lis e..llearews. and informing Mogul( mere perfectly as w the deaths of the eisims, the answer was that th. re was so orhasioo for any delay, that the berme tillfa which ha had remind were IblbOlibt• and positive, and mins th- demands put formed in so courteous a manner were complied with in 21 hours, the British minister would withdraw os booed a British man of war, and reprisals would be taken by the British *quadrate, which for that lupus was lying in the waters of Greece. But whether such term, were used by the British 'Matsur or not, he was afraid that the fact wee widen:net that a demand for imm dist* et -eplines with certain pending claims wu pe. umpteen,. ousel on the Greek minister by the British minister, with an intimation that the British lint was there to enforce them; that immediate compliance was not granted by the Greek government; and the consequence was that the Mures was at this moment blockaded by the British squadron, with an intima tion' that Greek vessels, it all events vessels of war, would be seized, as an ant of re prise. and hostility. It was state! fur ther that upon this occasion the mediation of two other powers, whether applied for or not he could not say, had bees te. eland and refused, He need hardly my the two powers in coma= were Franc sued Russia. And *maiden ly; the ;maim position of affairs in Green, be could hardly think the thjory done to British interests, and which it was oar great object to insinnin—than interests which arose mat of the friendly fe:linp sobering between the inhabit eats and goverment of that e Amin and the British govern ment and subjeets—be hardly knew whether theme interests would be mere seriously injured by the refusal or accept ance of that proffered melistioe. (Hear, hear.) He wished to know whether the none marquis would object to stole what infirmities th , government had received, and whe ther they now sancioned the course which had been pur sued by their representative abroad ; and whether, in the event of their having given any 'Estrada», they were pre pond lay them before evilest's'. (Hear, hoar.) The Marquis of LANSDOWNE (who was very impaer fatly heard) said he was obliged to the noble lord for having gives his notices of his intention to put the question, and he should feel great pleasure in mow giving him all the satisfac tion in his power in adman to the immediate questions which he had put, and in producing hereafter every paper on the subject. He had to state that substantially the infor mation given is the public prints was correct ; and tumidly, to wore the noble lord that to information of this sort had reached the government when her Majesty's speech from the throne was made—( tear, hear)—cootaining that passage which referred to a state of amity and peace with foreign powers, and which it was so desirable that this country should oratiane to prams with all the states of Europe, both great and snialL (Hear, bear.) With respect to this particular proseedieg, the noble lord seemed hardly to be am* that it ens founded on proceedings, of many yew' standing, sad that it had not been had re count to antil every expedint had been exhausted :fee the purpose of procuring, not, ss the noble lord had stated the repayment of the loan, for that had nothing to do with it, but for the purpose of procuring redress for grimaces Sounded on facts which were indisputable, and which were thought ro atm the best amideration which her Majesty's govenement could give them. Her Majesty's ministers bad leguatedly failed is prowaring that redress, and had at times ba re : X. t by the Greek government, whilst at other times were made by that gentlemen% which ware met tolftlad. Is this ease the British Waster having bad a positive denial of that justice, which, on behalf of British property and British subjects he erse titled to receive, did avail himself of that whisk be (the Marquis of Linsdowno would all not the ill-advised :movement of Admiral Parker's Rest in that part of tbe Mediterranean to demand rodeos in a mama sad under ciressunaus which were not derogatory to the Greek government. if it had been disposed to do an act of Justice. Admiral Parker showed every respect to the Greek government. He west ca shoes to offer his respects to the sovereign, and ft was only when the Greek Minister for Foreign Affairs having Ant tendered a most unsatisfactory ezpiamtion in conversation, and having been told that time would be allowed until the next day for further explanation, finally, tea that mat day, delivered a most paremptin refusal to do justice in any one of the eases complained of —it was only then that Sir William Talker end the British minister had recourse to the mildest act that could be adopted under the circumstances. (Chores.) Because it was not true that they instituted a blockade; they only servile a notice on an individual vessel of woe that she would not be allowed to quit the earbour. (Chem) The information which the government had received only cam down to that time. West effect this promedingsight produce he was, of course, unable to may; but he quite agreed oith the noble lard, that no proceeding would be mere cowardly and unworthy of a great matry than to ex act from a weaker power that which from a stronger mu try would not be requited. When tier lordships saw the papers they would be satisfied that is no Gas eau fa which aompemetioa had been required, could the British go vesnesent have allowed such compusatiou further to be withheld Witlbftt incurring disgrace. Hs had told the sable Ind that this was not a blockade, bat be would now remind the noble lard that the armament with whisk the alb» lord himself was connected made Maker demands on fade poodeat states which wen enforced bye blockade not la 0•11 DOW tWO, but ia three instances.—(hem, her)—sad there: firso lid made lord would not look open tide as ea sauna suppeesess. (Hear, bear.) lie had welt' to allude to sae *lN matter—the offa of mediation by the Praia and Ue da' ministers—he begged to my that sash akar bed bees ode without any authority on' the port el thar aura and it was obvious that if east Mir = s ree:: =el a most immunise delay cwt have asolossi. offers of mediation ludas dream abowommus W bees refused by ether froversumsb—by Ike Plumb pcernm nt for Waterier, and that without say brush of he iced understanding between that IWWWWWOMI sod the =neat of this essatry. He *mkt* *so* that the mishear sad Sir W. Parka had whit greet sod judinews retool week madiallies. (flear7l .113 This wee what be bed as may es do Wiest, and with respect to the laforseaties whisk hod boa ressivoi. sad with refer ease the amuse of the asrdadeo, he should have ma ob. IZZto produce all the pews whisk sight..be required. hem) ' THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 5, 1850. dangers, their statement was unpin', and danger seemed at an end ; bat the sehoremeas paragraph seemed to be *- trammel wittiest geherann on hagieal eciesniumes. It infeseed es " that her Minty having hem appealed to on the aglasion by the Sit.., mead her streets with them of the gallinat of !Wee, to which • MA* oppeo4 hod ham In magi to meld, by the = et of V lie Abeei L ,..in Orman sta mod 'WM el Illift Minims le a meow esesistent m gth w t: i e ti s i. ethg . se the Porte ;" het if en bed lingoes' the Turkish and ffilmerist remove dangers. The noble Med es** hereilltwas *stem mediation of England wee asked the, hi ender le awes that which had already bean The =r may be could account fur this ite by that in the hurry of printiog the w p m train lobs might vejbass men& Why England ri a n li d s c r F r ance shall interfere, when there wu nothing to ic eman,* abed, Mead his oomprehensioe. and called for ex planatioulled Me fiegretary of State. There was another mist ems whisk*, Noble lord debt floc it convenient to give sxplesatise. The 131matellor of tee Buhrquar had esegratidated the blame eet the revival of oommeroe, which was occasioned by the termination of the blockade in the north cf Europe. It was two or three years sines he had called the attention of the house to the circumstance, anticipating that the blockade which had arisen woul d place. 'rho noble lord on that ocessiss, although he recognised the importune of the circatostame, gave the holes those sanguine and satidaetory assurances I. which he dealt so liberally, that no inconvenience did otmer to the commercial interests of the country. Nevertheless, the blockade did occur in the Baltic, and was eatrimely vexations to the commerce of this country. lie should like to know from the noble lord whether the Danish question had yet been settled ? Mr. ROEBUCK, said that the question of Greece was tandentood to be twofold. There were certain long standing amounts made by parsons in the character of British subjects les as British subjects directly, which were not satisflei by the Grecian government ; but there was also another data, of a more imp octant character, T . l. with respect to erns* islands to which the government of Enema laid clem, and which had not been sitded by the govern. ment of Genes. The question that really now became ene of national importance was this—that the governments of France and linage had guaranteed the integrity of Grease, and, therefore, if we laid el tin to any portion of Green, it was a matter in which Frazee and Russia were mourned. Every step that was token therefore wu calling in the Inter. vention—and perhaps hostile in t ration—of the govern. meats of Francs and Ruda. Was there any understanding with these two governments, and were we ready to ri Mt the governments of Francs and Russia if they were to i•iter :ere ? He hoped the noble lord might he enabled to iisttety the pliable mind upon that most delicate question. With re spect to Span, be hoped the noble lord would be rootlet to say there was not the slightest chance of any arrangement with Spain. Mr. C. ANSTEY congratulated the noble lord on the noble position which he had found it hie ditty to occupy in the solution of these differences, and diraaed the attention of the noble lord to the setdement of affairs in the pried p ditties of Moldavia and Wallachia. lie inquired what se• unities were taken for the execution of the treaty between Rods and Turkey as to those provinces ? Lad PALMERSTON, in reply to the questions put by hon. gentlemen opposite, would advert at first to the ques tion of Greece. The grievances for which redress was antra were these : In the first place, Mr. Findlay, who had been long established in Greece, bad his property forcibly taken from him, for the purpose of forming part of the king's guder.s. Mr. Findlay had codes ,oured to ob tain payment of the land so taken in vain. That was one of the wrongs for which redress had been demanded. The other case was that of Mr. Pacifiao, whose hose, was violently broken into, in mi.t day, in the city of Athens, by a mob, of which part were soldiers in the service of the king; and the eon of the minister lc,. the leader ant encourager of the mob. Repeated demand, had been made for redress of grievances of etritish subjects, hut these demands had not been made with success. There were linen subjects who were the victims of plunder or corporal ill usage. The other question about the islands stood in this way : by the treaty between Russia and the Porte signed in MOO certain islands were to form part of the lonian heads. In pursuance of that treaty, two islands were, by the names os &piers& and Cabrera, aggregated to two of the larger islands, and thus had ever been considered as blousing to that part of Greece. When the treaty of 1832 was signed, giving a constitution to Greece, the territory was 'peat, il as consisting of the con tinent and certain Wands, amongst which Cabrera and Si. pierce were not included. There could not, therefore, be a doubt bat that they belonged to the lonian Islands ever since the treaty of 1800, confirms i by the treaty of 1815, t. ad astictl the constitution of those islands. As to the state of our relations with Spain, which one hon. member wished to ace renewed, while another thought that they should remain suspended, he was not able to state that diplomatic relations had been renewed. Sere na committal :otiose, not official, had taken place, but he would not commit himself by any anticipations, but be contest with stating the position of affairs at present, with out bol3ing out any prospects for the future. Up to the pre. sent moment no arrangement had been effected, by means of which the diplomatic relation. between the two countries could be re-opened. With regard to our relations with Austria, our diplomatic relations with that country were such as were very well known to that house. The Austrian government had not at the present moment a minister in London, that minister having, for private and per sonal reasons, retired from his diplomatic appointment, but as an indication that the feelings of her Majesty's go vernment were of the most fiend* nature, the Englith ambassador hal been continued at Vienna, although, for the moment, there was no officer of corresponding rank r, pre senting Austria in London. Of cuing, if the Austrian government should permanently discontinue their ambas sador, it could not be expected that her Majesty's govern ment would accredit an officer at Vi. nos superior ia rank to the representative of Austria in London. It wax known that differences of opinion had existed for the last two BLOCKADE OP ORE BCE years between the government of Austria and that of this Mr. M. GIBSON observed that considerable uneasiness country on questions of great interest both to Austria had *encased &moors: the persons engaged in the Grecian and to Europe, but such differences must sometimes be ex tract-, in consilience of reports which had appeared in the petted, when governments take (Afferent views of the newspapers, as to the peados of Admiral Si, William rams subject. With respect to I)enmatk, he did not Parker o: the goast of Greece. He wished to uk the noble recollect that he had ever expressed a hope that the &hi. v lord if he could give the house any information up in the wig Holstein question would be settled within a week. lie subject. might have mentioned that a certain armistice would pro- Lori PALMERSTON said that certain claims bed bably be concluded within that time, but certainly he cool I not so far have shut his eyes to the embarraenents of the been ands foe certain wrongs sustained by British lonian satisfaction question, as to expect that al its points would have been subjects in Greece. Every effort to Mein . arranged within a week or ten days. Tice house Invite been ineffectual. ceders ware given to Sir Wil would remember that, in the course of last summer, Ham Parker that he should ero to Athos., and place • preliminary treaty wee signed, and the British government himielt in commun , cation with Sir Thomas Wyse, and sup did everything possible to have it finally arranged and rad port the repetition of these demands. By the last accounts of the nerotiations between the Greek minister and Sir fled. He could not pretend to say that up to the pres ent time much progress had been made towards the final Thomas Wyse, the re•ult was not satisfactory, and Sir T. Wyse had gone on li iirl Sir W. Parker's dig ship; and settlement of the question. It was well known that there the account left off. (A laugh.) Hs should nave no for a considerable time the central power of Ger. objection to I.y the papers connected with the transaction teeny had been in a state of abeyance, and had only n ee the table. cently b-en re-constructed. Prussia had been the primary AUDIT OF RAILWAY ACCOUNTS. negotiator, not as Prussia, but as the repro entative of the German power, and it was necessary that her In SWlllf to a question by Mr. SLNDFORD, (Prussia's) powers should be renewed by the newly lir. LABOUCHERE said that the house would recollect constructed authorities at Frankfort. That had been doss, that last went* it wet intimated h i / the leading members and negotiations had been resumed at Berlin between the connected with the railway interest at they would consider Danish and German plenipotentiaries under the auspices of during the recess the question of railway audit. He has Lord Westmoreland, as representing the mediating power. stated that it would be more convenient to government that He hoped, judging front the tone of the parties concerned, an efficient system seould emanate from the body ; bat, that they were entering into these negotiations with a en tailing any scheme brought formai by the railway directors, um deem to bring them to a final and friendly settlement. he should undertake the matter. He thought that the (Hear, hear.) He could arum the howl. that no Mow and the public had a right t• expect that the measure efforts would be spared on the part of her Ma should without delay be submitted to the legislature. jesty's government to induce the parties to come to an HER MAJESTY'S SPEECH. arrangement ; but there were grave questions to be settled, amongst the rest, one connected with the succession to the lln C. VILLIERS brought up the report upon the sidoses, which was red a first time. crown of Denmark, another as to what should be the future constitution of the duchy of &bleu* with others of equal Upon the question that it be read a second time, importance. The homurahls and ICarned member Oar Kr. DISRAELI, in reference to the question which had Younal wished to know whether it was likely tha t been just asked respecting Greece, said that the answer given the Russian government would fulfil the engagements with the Secretary of State reminded him of the assurance regard to the principalities raki, it had entered into with sea to the hoe", in her Maierty's speech, that her Ma' the Porta at ass clue of last year. It was quite true that y happily continued in peace and amity with foreign at the pretreat moment the Russia. forces is the principale peen. It appeared to him, at the time, that the language ties exceeded considerably the number stipulated for by the mas seek as ought not, under any circumstances, to have arrangement of last year, bat one most make some allow perm& unnoticed by the H use of Commons. This was the an o f or e h e m i ens en d di s co' , airennutannit null had mad year in which a very significant alteration had taken arisen since, and it was not fair to infer from the tact that Naas in the form in which the sovereign had communicated the force had not as yet been reduced to the is the npreeestatine of the people the Mathias which sub- stipulated amount, that it would not be so reduced at an skid between us and foreign powers. Usually we bad been early period. He could only assure the bon. and learned =ow" , and it had be" the assurance to whic h member that he felt no apprehension whatever of an attack this money had always looked with andgra!! in.*. by Russia on Turkey in the spring. He was persuaded on twat, that between her ht .jesty all la - the contrary, and his impressions were founded on the aa• mem powers there existed relations of very friendly surances of the Russ an government that Russia entertained ehanter. The language which was generally used trim none hut friendly feelings towards the Turkish empire -1846 had been end on all occasions except last year, in which that as soon as local circumstances would oermit, the amount her Mai. sty assured us she continued to receive from all of force in the principality would be ridded to the number pewee and states assurances of their friendly disposition. stipulated, that was, 10 000 on each side. ;The " l a year there as singular alteration and "Dienes from Turkish force had already bass reduced to that the speech, via., that the house were not idemed that her num b er ,. an d he felt p ec k e d, conv i nce d th at th e Majesty "maned fre m foreigners the assurances of Russian thei ßussian force would, as soon as the season admitted of the friendly deposition. The leaguer this year was still mon removal of troops, les reduced to the same amount. lie was meagre and supiciwts than last year, became to inform par- not awarethat there was any other point requiring es ow. &nest that her Majesty continued is pesos and amity with n on. foreign powers was merely to inform parliament that her Majesty was not at war ; and although to a certain extent Sir R. INGLIS observed that the meet serious question remained unanswered, namely, whether the theek blockade that was a satisfactory announcement, it woe not altogether was undertaken with the conctinence of Frame and Russia. so, unless the commercial clue of this country could The k - n. b aronet crow d e d to pronoun°, a warm eu logy as be enured that there was no prospect of the continuance the talent, as a d i / a mi n es, of the late British wanton he et the blockades, for the establishment of which the Gr eece , Sir E. Lv t administration had been remarkable, and he should • eaL =ken the opportunity of calling the attention of the Lord PALMERSTON said that in seeking redress kr the grievances of their subjects, the representatives of this brass to this subject, had it not been for the muted anxiety country were not in the habit of eking consent from the et both sides to come to a division on the other night, and be should have pared the circumstance imitated in the agent* of other pewees. report, had it not been foe the remarkable circumstance THE ADDRESS.—FREE TRADE. which he thought he might say without exaggeration, On the mediae for bri up the report on the addles, had occasioned considerable mimeo° in the 'nanny, and he Mr. FACILE rose to addease the house on the subject of took this opportunity of adverting to two or three ether free trade and its effects on ageoulturs, bat the noise of con subjects commend with the foreign polity of the sass- variation through **house became so great, that his °bur try, to expect some informatics from the Seentary of Tattoos were almost inaudible. He was understood to say state. As her Majesty exintiand in peace with foreign that it was not his intention to treat the home to any powers, the noble to rd might find it immodest to inform tie rhetorical fireworks, bat to show by figures of &ethane holm whether bar Moiety's representative had yet ever been that U free trade were persisted in, the farmer, received at the court of Ma&id, and also whether there was the labourer, and eventually the consumer kismalf, snot be any psoepeet of the court of Yenta sending an ambassador ruined. Tice honourable member,. then repeated the to the taut of St. James ' s. He thought also the noble lord statement regarding the locomen's and ont might *elk it convenient to offer some explaaation on some of his own farm as previously_ wen by him Is ra hl: peas de* were of an ambiguous character. They were apse* at the H meeting. W. understood the general that la the coon. of the autumn differentiae of a result to be, that the rent of the fain was Na. per ' melees character lITON between the governments d Austria acre, and that even it an abatement of 28 per owl Amok en the one heed and the Sublime Porte on the cent. ware conceded, he could not continue its other lad the Nast paragraph informed parliament that cultivates without a ruinous less to himself, ei whisk took place between the Turkish and It bad been said on the other side that the redaction in the reigm -mnasats bad fortunately removed my danger price of corn woe a bandit to the o TO cheese, but it peast, of Europe, which might have arisen oat at these was got so as regarded the turd operative, who in Mlllissem. ' That appeared to him to he a minpieto state- most Inatome' grew his own corn. No me was Mere re. amt. If explanations took plass &tweet the Terkel mid joked than he was to hoar that the maaaboturing interest IsPerial governments whisk earbanattly removed these was flourishiag, bet with regard to the pun: improvement The Bad et ABERDEEN seeleeed sums blame to the government for the precipitancy with which they hod acted in this affair, end endeavoured to mix up the personal grievants , ' alleged as the ground of til• point blockade the seizure of two islands Wag adjusted to the coast of Greece, and which Lord LANSDOWNE eurlaitted to appertain to the lonian group nadir an arrangement of some era-, aidersble standing. He wished it to be andetifficia that he had not denied that S i r T. Wyse lad demanded '• c m essios of the island., but it hewed no part of the sate eal &mead. The minister ender the noble earl, ha wee in use ., had made the sense demand tetritory. (Hear, hest ) Lord BROUGHAM was glad to hear that the territory was not demanded to be given up in 24 hours. TIMM islands were most worthiest things—one of them, he wait told, support.d two boats, and the other a few h ares. (Laughter.) The aubjeet then dropped. THE ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION. The Martjaisof LANSDOWNE bed oa the table • bill to amend all the trailing Bete with regard to the Ecclesiastical Committable. BUENOS AYRES. 1 he Barl of HARRO WBY inquired whether the govern ment aid any objection to lay on the table the treaty which had been emend into wilt the state of Baena Ayres. Tee Marquis of LANSDOWNE was understood to inti mate that Inc government would not object. Thar lordships adjourned at a quarter put cis. -- The name of Viscount Clifden was omitted by sietskt from the list of the majerity in the lords who v0t..4 in favour of tha 'Odra. —Note. The division lies in the Lords are not priottd with the votes, as is the eau in the Commons, but are supplied by patties interested in their publicity, therefore the journals in which they appear are not responsible for their correctness. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MoNDAy, FEB. 4. -- - The Srsacsa took the chair at 4 o'cloek. PETITIONS PRESENTED. SUNHAT LABOUR IN THZ PUNT OITICIL—By Sir D DUNDAS. fro• flatherlsnitihira: Mr. ROBARTES, from a pplea• in Canswidl; Mr. HENLEY. from Oat , rd; Visoottot BROOKE. from Warwick; Mr. TOLLBIJACHE, from a pl.c in Cheshire; Mr. H. MARTIN, trots the Cheitenbara Wilde:ran conrepation ; and b. an Hon. M from Sowlis.opton, the transmission of letters through tb. Post-efllos on the Sabbath. - - - Tan WINDOW Tax —By Mr. GREEN, from Lancaster, preying torn repeal of the window tax. Tan Swervica Svarme.—By Mr. Alderman SIDNEY. from ecivainjourneymen tailors in the city of Lnadou, cam pla;n rg of the sweating .yetem. Banxavran Acr.—By Mr.ROEBTICK, complaining of the present Bankruptcy Act. NOTICE OF MOTION. AORICULTDRAL Dirrassa.—bir. DISRAELI gore notice that he should, ore an early day, move that the house re solve Peel( into • eommitt.• of the whole binge, for the purpose of taking Into con•ileratimi etch • revision of the tar s relvtine to die relief of the p 30f of the Unind indom as would relieve the diem.' of the agriculturists. (( C ha in.) SAVINGS BANKS. Kr. HUMS mcved for numerous returns on the subject of sayino banks' depositors, whether Individual., chsritsblr inuit it , MO, or friendly societies, far the year ending the 20;h of November, 1847,1848, 1549; and other returns in emnelit , with the tame sabint, is continuation of rutin. ment.ry rayon of 141111i011 1844. . 114lUtTeursiated. THE ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION. Mr. B. DENISON wi.tied to ask the noble bed what course he inteadei to pursue in reerenca to the Eceletiasti. ea Conunimion, and whether any measure which the noble lord =gin prapese to introduce would contain pro %%Sinn for the regulation of Church lands. Lord J. RUSSELL eai I that with respect to the first question, he had to state that a bill had been pre pared on the subject of the etclesiestical comniasion, but as there was a grad deal of business to he brought before the hour, it had been deemed advisable to introduce it first in the House of Lords, and he bel'eved that his noble friend Lord Lansdowne would that night in the other kJuse ask permission to introduce it. With regard to the see n.d ques tion, a repast containing a great variety of information had been prepared by the commission, which had been priNented to her Majesty. When the report had been sutticitntly c n eidered end deliberated on, he htped that the government would be able to intraduce a bid founded upon it. BORNEO PIRA: ES.—HEAD MONEY. Mr. HIJME asktd the first Lord of the Trinsury whe ther :he noble lord would lay upon the table of the house the reports furnished by the commanding officers, whether of her Majesty's or the But India Csmpaey'e navy, engaged in op:rations for the alleged suppres-ion of piracy against the natives of Barnes, on the rivers Mori tatim, Sarebas. S Annan, and other place*,:during 1649; together with the oorresrondence between Sr J. Brooke and her Msjesty's government on the ume subject. He wished to know whe ther government wee going to give the requisite informa tion. Lord J. RUSSELL—We Phall be ready to lay ea the table ell the isforosetien +bleb we bawl. THE NEW HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr. EWART asked the boo. =tuber for Lancaster, who was generally acquinted wilt the progress of the building of the new Hours of Parlimes% what was the rate of the House of Commons, at.d at what period would it be ready for members ? Mr. ORBENE Bald he wrote yeeteeday to Mr. Bury to uk wham he ttoug. t 3 house would ba ready, and he replied—. That thole portions of the banding were now so far alvaneed towerls emipletion, that if a suffident vote were taken—(much taught. r),—the whole might be got ready for the ase of mettoers by the commencement of the next ...aloe." piths leboarlog olosem, as somited by the hoe. Molter of the address, be &Wed be tart... Oae proof which that how. ratlemen addend of Mae poeeperity was the re• duties ia the demand ea **paw Me, lint he (Mr. Peelle) could lakes that koo. gentleness that whatever was the ease in ease dietr us. there had Imes aes redaction of the poor rates ha Lelo stershine. Ia osselosisa the honour. able gentleman expressed hie oenvieden that protein lion was nieeseary, lot only far the agriculturel into net, bat for the permanent prosperity of the country at large. (Hear, beer.) Mr. HUNS observed that the bon. gentleman who bad jut eat eown, 'bough he attended quarter sessions regularly, appeared to be totally Ignorant of the principles which regu lated moiety in reference to commerce end manufactures. What would be said if the manufacturers WON to Orme to Patlismeut and Teri seating the dept rabls state to which they seer' reduced by the reduction of the pokes of their manufactures—that they were obliged now to sell cotton stooos for which they tormitely obtaiued ninepene• • yard for three pence, demand protection on the ground that Par liament ha d bien lestrurnent 1 in producing that even in consequence of inhering consulted in its legislation the in terests et the consumer rather than of the replacer 1 Such • demand would he scouted as ridiculous. (Hear.) Gen tlemen opposite seemed to have been satrap fur the last half century it they suppoed that was the priuciple on which thou things proceeded. (Hear, hear.) No 'perch had satisfied him more in the course of the debate on the address then that of the hon. member who moved the amendment. (Hear, hear.) Though he did not agree in all his conclusions, he went fully with him in his demand for carrying out the (reservist principle in every teing. (Hear, hear.) Na doubt the sudden transition frntu protection to free trade in corn occasioned much difficulty to the producer.; but that diffi oalty mainly due to the agriculturists thenuelyes who had itrenueusly refused to proceed gradually from ihe bad and unnatural to a good and natural system. But hen gen tlemen opposite would never Helen to any prop odtion of that k tee In 1819, be (Mr. Hume) endeavoured to show the absolute necessity of aeaadoniust the unnatural and artificial state of things in regatd to the earn lawn which then pre- veiled, and prepaid that they should do it gradually by fixing a duty 0110. for tl c first year (and he would not have objected had it been greater) and reducing it Is. a year after wards until they returned to a State 01 perfect iris trade— but oat of • full bone.—he believed nearly 800 members— only 13 voted (or the repetition. (Heer, heat.) Since then however a revolution had taken place in mess' minds; the evidence taken by the import duties enmmite.e had opened the eyes of the whole world he might al. mo t sty, but certainly of the mato of the route or tbis country, and free trade in earn had hi en established. If prices continued so low that the lend could not tee cul tivated at its pres nt expenditure without a leas, that i ern tore must be reduced either by lowering the rent or in some other way. He did net refer to warm, which, it appealed, wen sufficiently low straitly. Ile was sorry to say that waves were as low as 7e. or Be. in the he.. gentlemen's neighbourhood. It was not so in his part of the country. But the lsrdlords had raised the alarm unnecessarily, and inetead of exhorting the farmers to exertion to meet the difficulty in which the sudden change front protection to free trade bad placed them, acid anieting in that object them selves, they went round the armory calling public meetings, raising th cry of alarm, end telling the farmers that they must all be ruined, and there was no help for it—(bear) — until they bad BO impressed the farmers with the truth 01 they statements, that he believed that they would be miser, able if they were cot veined. (Cheers and laughter.) Last year, when he moved for a select committee to inquire into the subject of the county rates, with the view to reduce that bunk n, very few of the agricultural members voted with h . m. The subject of der. triati a had been referred to by the hon. gentleman who lett spoke, and he a, creed to suppose that depreciation la farming stock and farming capi tal had never taken place before in this county. Iu 1643, when that question was before the house, a gentleman—a member of the Aerieultural Aar ciation—eent him (Mr. Hume) a paper pointing out the great eepreciati which had taken piece in 1812, in cooeequerce of the 1 w price. of that year. (Hear, hear.) The calculation this gentleman made was that farming stock and farming capital bad suf fered a depreciation in 1812, as compared with the previous year, of 25 per cent., or, in the grove 117,1)00 0001. This return was made in Feb ., 1843. But he (Mr. Hume) took it that the greater the depreciation, as resulting from tree trade, the greater the injustice which had been committed by mo n epoly on the peers at large. (Hear, bear.) 116 hon. triend who had moved the address (Mr. C. Villier.) had calculated that the loss to the c immure, by riot:mien had been 91,000,0001. a year. Now, tie (Mr. Hume) remem bered that in his evidence biters the import committie, the hh. member for Glasgow (Mr. 111'Gregor) stated, as the result of • calculaties made by him in coieuncion with Mr. D. Hume. that the loss to the community by these protective laws was 60,000,0001. a year—an amount equal to the whole of the taxes laid on by the crown. (Ilea.) That state ment was pooh pooh'd at the time, but he rejoiced to find that its correctness was now confirmed. Twenty years ago the cotton trade amounted to 31 or 35 millions, one fitth only of which was taken by the home market, the rest being exported to foreign countries. (Cheers.) The opening of the trade in corn ass the means by which the induce) of the country would be beat promoted and the condition of the labourer improved, as it would enable the foreigner to send here that alone which he could pay for our manu factures. (Hear, hear.) He should be glad when lb • day mime for the promised debate as to the effect of free trade on labour Income he was tours that the result would be that it had been so far se It had gone most beneficial. hear.) The present debate in which the leaders on the other side appeared to be altoge her beaten in facts end in argument must be pecu , liarly gratifying to the right hon. baronet Sir R. Peel, as evidencing the triumph of those principles he so ably ex pounded in 1842 (Hear.) He wished, while on his legs, to obtain some informat on from the roble lord (J. Romell), not on our foreign relation*, but our home affairs, which ap peared to occupy not one-tenth of the attention on the part of ministers whim' were given to fereign metiers. (hear.) Ministers hal intimated tome change in respect to the elec tive franchise in lrelend, but he thought the people of this country were alert en hied to some consid-ratan. Looking at the situation in which we were placed, mad the manner is which the people had supported the government in their endeavours to preserve the peace, the quiet orderly manner in which they bad conducted themeelves amid severe rive, dims and suffering entreed them to some atteation and some ✓elief. (Hear, hear.) He regretted to find no allivion in the speech from the throne to the extension of the suffi age. The promise made by the noble lord in 1832 t f the entire removal of Sins legidation—the taking the power out of the hands of the few and placing it in those of the real representatives of the people had not I been realised under the Reform Bill. ( Hear, hear.) This brought him to the last paragraph in the royal speech; end Le hoped the noble bold would avail himself of the pre-' sent oppertunity to state to the house whether he meant to introduce a retort in paeliement, and make such other changes as would diminish the amount of ceme in the coun try. The para s raph was as follows;—" It is her Majesty's hope and belief, that by combining liberty with order, ny preserving what is valuable, and amending what is detective, you will sustain the 'abric of our institutions as the abode and the shelter of a free and happy people." Ile asked nothing more. He wanted nothing woe than to preserve what was valuable, and to amend what was defective. The noble lord had admitted, and all hon. gentlemen were aware of the defec tive state of the representation; therefore it was sincerely to he hoped that the noble lord would be able to state whether it was his lineation to propose any extension or parliamen tary reform, so ea to take away that which was Winn in the eye of the people—namely, the nomination of hon. members to that house. (Hear, hear.) He believed that a large por tion of our military establishments were kept up in order to suppress the demands of the people. He supported the principles of the chatter, but repudiated al together the attempts made to carry it out ; and it appeared perfectly clear to him that the noble lord and his colleagues hail been obliged to add to the military force, and to increau the number of their condos laws, with the view of putting down the demands which universally existed, particularly among the artizan.. He submitted that the speech of the noble lord against the de- mends of the protectionists would apply equally well is ' favour of giving the people parliamentary reform, placing them within the pale of the constitution, and interesting them in the institutions of the country; and he believed that if these rights Were punted, the noble lord would do more to establish her Ma- Joey's throne in the hearts of her subjects than by any ' other plan he could adopt. (Cheers.) Another question he wished to ask was this, was it the intentioa of her Majesty's government to afford relief by taking off those taxes which were known to be most miechievou and injurious to the people ? Her Majesty had alluded in her speech to the pre eausisse *gaunt sickness, and to the necessity of adopting =unsure+ ; but how could the noble lord put a son that kind in her Majesty's mouth, or appear earnest in Ma 'era sion. of wishing to attend to sanatory measures, when he still imposed the window-tee, which was the great est of all enemies to the health and comfort of the working Hanes ? He called upon the noble lord to lessen the burdens at home by reforming the whole of our colonial system, making the colonies free and willing adjuncts of this seastry, giving them the means of managing their own Whirs, and paying their own expense,. The advantages of 111 la reform would he two-fold. We might then relieve our selves from the support of that large military force which MOO sow maintained for the preservation of order in the Weans, and we should have emigrants in huge numbers front this country of their own accord. (Hear.) Cr i s i rt g re three points, then, upon which the country required information ; and he (Mr. Hums) should feel HeiMidal to the noble lord if he would at once avail himself el the opportunity to satisfy all inquiry. Mr. H. GRATTAN expatiated on the unspeakable die. tress which prevailed is Ireland, and which he traced to the criminal ommaious and commissions of the ministry. That country could have fed England, but that her Curdy la bourers were expatriated, or left in compelled idleness. The product of Ireland was annihilated, her exports destroyed, and hermit left floating a lifeless Nods upon the western water', la a helpless *tradition, which was called tranquillity. After declaring that Irishmen despised the charity of Inglead, aad came not in the guise of beggars, the hon. member declared that the proper plus of the ministers was not on the ministerial, nor any other bench of that house, j but at the bar, there to take their trial before an insulted and outraged country. He prorouneed even the bar unfit for the members of the government, whose demerits could only be adequately vidted upon the block, when, as in ardent Rome, the lbluding head of a minister might haply be the prognostic of safety to Ireland's capital. Mr. P. HOWARD begged to address a few words to the hones en what had fallen front the hon. member for Mon trose. They had men with satisfaction that her Majesty's ministers proposed to extend the now contracted limits of the bishoosetinteacy. Now, he did not feel any jukes, as regarded thew, but be thought it would be most satisfactory to the people of this smutty, if the noble lord at the bead fd_ the administration were to take some steps at this time of promand peace to extent the franchise in this country. He thought government might do It now vrithent appearing to follow in the wake of foreign powers. The people had shown by their good con duct that they wets ripe for further elective privilege a, and he thought some concession should nt.w be made to them. H. thought that an extension to household suffrage might now be made, that it might be done with perfect safety, and that it would he duly appreciated by the country at large. Mr. P. BENNEt said he ahouid not have risen but from the misrepresentation/ which the shover of the address had auto with r regard to the labouring dames. He looked forward to free trade affecting the labouring classes more than any other clan, and by the labouring class he did not mean merely the workmen congregated in large town., but the labouring classes spread all over the country and living in towns which were in a great measure dependent on agricul ture, and he believed that the number of thou connected with agriculture was much greater than those connected with nuaufactures. The honourable mover c f the address ■aid, that even in the agricultural distrie•s the labourers were either better off, as they had either more welts*, or they got more f.r the same money. Now he (Mr. 'Sonnet) denied the fact of their receiving more wages. Their ernes were dreadfully reduced. In his cruelty there were more men out of work than in any district in the kingdom. He might be ashamed of Ihar, but from the great reduction in the prices of produce. the farmers were not able to employ them. Distress 13-d been felt by the agriculturists not rely in 1848, but in 1847, for the crop was so very small, and the harvest so extremely we is 1447, that with •.etter prices it wee equally bed for the producer. In 1849 the produce was much ovirrat‘ ; it was hardly an average. At the present moment there were immettee numbers of labourer.; lurkiug about without employment. Some fsrmois had thought it bete, to re dote the wages, others had redu:ed the number of days on which they employed the men, and the feet of the price ell the principal snicks of consumption beirg reduced was of no avail tot" em, •or they had no money wherewith to purchase them. The wu 'es wore 7E, in some pl , cts only Gs. a week. Colonel SIBTHORP said he felt mxinus during the debate on the distress, to address the hem., but the anxiety of the house to e' me to a dividon prtrluded him from doing so. He had wished to address the house be cause he hail been honoured in having t..pecond a rev lotion at one of the rntest rneett, g• he ever beheld in the county of Lincoln. There were Irom 15,000 t 20,000 perms present, and Mr. John Norton, a hue trader, to whom he put the qu.sion, ack•.owledged that th 3 free traden were ...ead beat, e. d toll him that the b'mn. mew& r log the W. et Riding had bean down there on the Madly lie thenalludedto th.• Financial liploraa AVVII ia.inn, whrch he called the " Anti-Own Law League ta,ivc I," nn.l the " Anti Peace Society." lie charged the gov^rnment with purauieg a course which would al ow toreivntri to carry o ff all the premiums in the coming exhibition of arts and ma nuf.ctures. When he saw . CAIf trusty and well be'oved" pri fixed to the name of the member fa the West 'Udine, he kn'w oirectly whit native icdustry hal to expect. .. ..... (Lsughter.) A'ltiding to the society for iernale emirraiion, be described it as a innehinery for prnmoing prostitution— the system was a " cheap and nasty" 4.• no. He next ad vert•d to the surplus revenue, slid talked of "cooking ba lance sheets " Signsturr* were put to sccounts to suit various pity purposes. lie denied that the excise was in a tbriviog stytc. Tire mo•t convenient period, the year I lading in Jsuuary, nad been chosen for making the comparison. flo felt it hopeless now to oppose the brineing'up of the address, titer the way in which r ilicy had been " upset " tie other Light by " the taintterial bugle." (Laughter.) Ile di a not wish to be captious • but tread on • worm, and it would turn again ; and he , one, would • - • - he (imp. se stop the empplos it the present p liey was lad hovel v. (Laughter) He was eqnvinetd was imperible . . for farmen'to m r. einmin the psition they had held. Let mi nisters seecilhet that their best policy was to uphold the mainstay of the country—the agricultural intertsr. lie next referred to Lord J Ain Russell's speech at the Marsion ' house on the 26th alt , and said he believed the government would be the last to wish to see one man doing the work of five rr six, or they wish , . find tt.ir own nuntars cut down. Alioirers were now too tat and too idle Wdo any work, (Great laughter.) Sir JOHN YOUNG entirely concurred in the opinion that the peesentry of Ireland had ve'y little interest in the queetton of pretectinn. In 1b39, dunee the s-pith ef that e)stem, the labourer, of Meath were only employed on the average 115 days in the year,—and this on the moat fe rails land in the world, and w,th ail the beet fit supposed to be conferred by protectien. (Hear, beer.) He keens that county well; the dwellings of the poor there were the most miserable that could be conceived ; famine and fever had been the constant concomitants of protection. Reams which had been made at 'anoint periede showed that labour had been gradually hemming more 5.:111te, and this was true with regard to nine-tenths of the labourers i.e Ireland. He rejoiced to learn the intention of the ge vcrnmeut •o bring forward some proposal for establishing tencnt-right in Ireland; if the question were fairly deolt with it would be a pest boon to the industry eat Met country, and would disentangle many other perplexing questions. Mr. BANKES soil he would appeal to a great authority for a ',lrmo contradiction of the opinion e intreued by the last 'perigee, that the distr.*, of Ireland was aggravated by protection. It was not fair to compare last year with the one preceding, when may disturbing influence& were at work, and thence to draw the inference that trade was Nourishing. But compare the preset nt state of either Enplar.d or Ireland with their state in 1845, immediately before the alteration of the c..rn laws ; and what was the account then eiven by the government of which the hon. baronet (Sir J. Young) was a member ? In that year her Majesty was made to any, in her "perch (rem the throne:— I rejoice that I eta trained, in attain meeting yon to parliament, to connratulate you on the improved condition of the country. Increased activity pervades almost every Manch of manufactures ,• trade and commerce have been extended at home and abroad ; and, among all ela,es of my people , there is ;centrally prevalent a spirit of loyalty and ence,ful obedience to the Law. I have °evened, with sin ',ere satisfaction, that the improvement which is manifest in other parts of the country has catenated to Ire land. The nulitical :notation and excitement whi. h I bare had here. tofore ere a-ion t lament appear to have aTadual'y abated; and, as a natu al result, r. pilot has been more fney applied in useful worts, no-iertaken through the framing co-operation of individuals interested in the welfare of Ireland. • And yet tne hon. baronet, himself a member of the go vernment who put that site ech into her Majesty's mouth, now came forward to declare that the case was wholly different. Sir J. YOUNG—I rise to order. What I said wu, that the Irish peasantry hie little or no interest in protection. I instanced the small amount of employment which they re ceived under that system, and I stated that in the county of Meath famine and fever were frequent curing the existence of protection. What has that to do with the abatement of lineation, and the cheerful submission of the people to the law ? (Cheers.) Mr. BANKES—With all submission to the hon. baronet, it has moth to do with it. (Hear.) The peasantry were to be considered as the people of a country ; and the minister of that day would not base placed in the mouth of the sovereipn so glariug a falsehood if, at that v.ry time, the peasantry had been eufferine under a system which the hon. baronet now condemned. In his bumble apprehension the whole of this debate had been conducted under false repre sentations—the usumption that we were just emerging from is period of depression anu distress occur, ned by protection. The year 1848 was wholly exceptional. Reference ought to be nude to the five years of protection immediately preceding the abolition of the corn lam., with reference to which the ' hon. baronet, then a member of the government, seemed to hive quite changed his opinion. Sir J. YOUNG—I have never changed my opinion. Mr. BANKES nice if the hon. baronet had never changed his opinion, be mint have entertained the one he now held a lug time without expressing it. The hon. member for Montrose was anxious for sweeping financial experimental and alterations ;of the frmchise ; but let the house beware bow they embarked in such experiments, the result of which might be something very different from what was antici pated. The same hon. member had predicted a rise of prices from the repeal of the corn laws ; in this he was clearly in error. Let him not, then, be surprised if hon. gentlemen on that Bide the house were not disposed to place implicit confidence in his predictions. (Hear, hear.) That the cotton manufacture had increased during the last three years—all years of free trade—he was happy to admit; but would any one tell him that they had any security for its continuance because of their free-trade measures? With regard to the woollen manufactures, was it not true that their woollen goods were charged a higher duty by Spain since 1846 ? Since the repeal of the corn and navigation laws, Spain raised the duty on cer tain woollens 2d. in the yard when introduced in Spanish, and 3d. when imported in English ships. So much with regard to Spain. Mr. SPOONER said that he would not have spoken on the present occasion, but that he had been directly alluded to by the right hon. gentlemen, the Chancellor of the lie ehequer, and the hon. mover of the address, and taunted with his prophecy respecting the drain of gold from this country. He admitted that the importation of corn had not been followed by the export of bullion, but the reverse. But there were causes which accounted for the fact, and made it more dangerous than the hon. gentlemen seemed to be aware of. In the first place it was no unusual circum stance since 1819 to have alternate periods of prosperity and adversity of the influx and efflux of bullion. When they bad great distress it forced down manufactures, which were seat •o be sold in large quantities and at a loss in order to astable the manufacturers to meet their engagement*. Thin brought back the gold, and it accounted for the increase in the bullion of the Bank at the present time. Another cause was the state of agitation on the continent for the last three or four years. The general impression amongst men who were able to form a good opinion on such 'abject& was that from this cause they had at that moment either invested in the funds or waitiag ter Investment no less than 25,000,0001. In the next, English sovereigns, which were a legal tender in Belgium at a fired p&p, were not so any longer, and from 2,800,0001. to 3,000,0001. had been added to the gold in the country on that account. Agriculturists alone did not supplicate for protection ; all classes meandered that no adventurers should De permitted to compete with the native producers., unless on equal onus (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Spooner) looked forward with great alarm to the result likely to follow from the present system. They had an immensely dense population, whose sole employment consisted in work up the raw material. Let them look to the temper and disposition of the penile of the United States, who were already grudging the English manufacturer the small profit he derived from the manufacture of their cotton; and, under the circumstances, how could it be said that they would not be forced to import their cotton entirely from elsewhere ? (Hear, hear.) The system altogether of trusting to foreigners for their supplies was in every respect a dangerous one. lie did not wish to be understood as re- ;•~~ ) a f t oo4.. k ( p H ., e in . t r ted lr a el n a t ed yie w ld e e s g E . t_ tt glan it herring to the luxuries imported from foreig n cosaUries, tras to the staple articles of most vital eonsacnanee, earls a, core or we o ak th po er let them not rest content under the suppositio n V. at E ngland i n nt, tk a tu nd of th would be exempt. (Hear, hear.) Let foreign corn be ad mitted free of t.:zation, and before Ion; Eneleb prop. parity would be reduced to a low scale. he,:r He stn • d up for protection for every native article ae well as agriculture. Under the present system they wo u ld be undermined; the same menu that presented act- Ives in Ireland would quickly spread ever the land, atd the n what was to become of the happin.ss of the agrieul-urel population? (Hear, bear.) He agreed with the bee. member for Montrose that the first object of legislatio n should be to take care of the great labouring p puletini.. Mr. MONSELL said be would take the liberty, :a the outset, of making a few remarks in reply to the ststrineate of t h e hon. gentleman who had just resumed his mat. m far as he (tie. Mansell); recollected the mune of the &hes e the hon. gentleman was the first who hid the holdre s e ta assert that the present misery . of Iselin I had been ast:ra. eared by their recent commercial legislation. (H. ar, I. ) Ile entirely disagreed in that statement. (lieu, h-a,) He would not take advantage of the admiesioes made hr ad gentlemen, as regarded the improving and proepsrous c dition of the north and east of Irehnd Ile would gr, of the worst districts in Ireland, a district which be rcpt . vented, situated in the vide ity of Limerick, end whic:, es aa in n most miserable aid melancholy condition, indeel i t would be Impaisible to extorter:ire its condition. Trt, land lords were without rents; the labourers were starvinr, and the capital 01 tho tenairry re, idly disaprearing ; hat y t ),, averted, were it not fur the change recently m a d, i„ o inmercial legislation, hod as at present was tt e .• dition of the people in teat district, it would b., under the eir:utastances, treldy worse. (11. ar, h. u What had toren the history of the co:a trade hi the part of Liaslti le, in a rich and a:ricultural district, during lb • 1 $1 . ; three sears? This, that that the imp. rta had pr seeded the a :ports.(liar, hear) In 1347 , the 5e...? $ from the port of Limerick were 209,000 quer•ers, es.: the imparts 472,000 quarters; in 1848, the 'alert 295000, and the import', 207,000; and :n 1P1.), e1..0 is were 182,0 A, ;.ad the harms :;91s, quar.ers. If free mad , ' had tot thrown , our pores to the admission of foreizn core, the r, sal.: en :: have keen the: in Ireland they 'mull have heel c , to pay an additional price for the tit(Sl of corn r , over that exported; the poor rates would have n ~ • end the condition of the eour.try in very r op, et w-r s . vita to the failure Of the potato, Ireland was an es; •.. country; since then she was an Importiud cour.lr : . ivr:n,t so, it was onential that else should get h• r . cheoply as poseitle. That proved at once how the si.7. , en Inland on the potato crop sees the result of t• tire system. The agitation en the subject which t n car.ied on during the last three months in Ireland „, imrnenes injury, by setting clast against class—(s s• , ~j —by impeding the proaress of ketprov.niszt, hi. o;.. r.. v the people from sell reliuece. (Hear, hear.) Ile in p 1 , 1 of hon. gentlemen to be certain of the soued toss st r principle balers they sheided upon continairg a (no, : which they must perceive was at v2riance wits the b it 'crests of ;he country. THOMI'SON, in reply to the remerk fri m the hi member for Wuwiskatire, that we end c to freignere became' they were not texed, • • gle w:s not between taxed foreigners, but the taxed agrioulturis bounce of Bralford, and such pin-, who. , molt, those good. that went to pay I the The question war whether that interest was b. in order to cc cure another. Lord BERNARD had beard with surprise from member for I imerick that free trade bed btu. L ee by causing her imports to ieereese and h r tx„urs crease. (Hear, hear.) lie had yzt to :earn, free-trade measures ba 1 bens ht. d Irciaud. It ea., employment that had c.used Irelmers misery. ar d tection that employment would be set ured, by c worth while to cultivate the moil. Hu genie.) results depicted by Mr. klen.ell had folioweo , ecion meetings, at some of which, be s.el. staunch repealtre, anxious l.ke li:ettself to protect industry of the country. He begged to s the government that there were many wits to t• might mist Ireland—and amongst them Le o a diminution of the *norm sus presser • nt grand ti on and poor law instalments. In the C., the grand jury cess had Mc:eased from to 130,0001. a year—the inaeue being f r staiments to the gov,rnment, the tuts f ing of which he thought might taiely be es There were other auxiliory measures which mi..tt beneficial to Zeeland. Durir.st the last year tt, had misted the construction of railways, one o: his own neighbourhood wes now m log ; i, t.. they did not think it fie to continue that might, at cli events, uses som • measure with p:. steatite to three of the Cirlway Act, comptaing give their land at its Lan ora:ue. He thought, a. 1)...• government should introduce ether measures to :t.. the taking of land be railway compar.i,s. I: were done effeettally, he was conv.nc d VAr ways might be constructed at 5,00 d/. re • per mile. He wee not as advesite of frte but if they were to have Ire. trade in Ireland, let it te and afford to the Irish farmer -he means of carry ioe I dues to the dearest market. Ha hoped that the a IVe. would yet gee the justice of enabling the Irish I.e. compete with the fo.eigaer by bringing his pro,'.tit. • better masket. The noble lord then referred to the of the navigation laws, and declared tree trade t mrcktry and a farce, while the government nee'ec!, ports of Ireland, left her coasts unlighted, and cone ;u vessels to he wrecked on her shores. Colonel DUNNE would not undertake to deride err +tmg. unsex. .'Uty it w 0 'Ma free trade was or was not en injury to Ireland, but he matted that as England had abstracted all her mar.ufact. it was hardly fair to leave unprotected the only industry to her. The hon. member then proceeded with some c lations to show that though tr.e number of inmates ire workhouses bad decreased, the amount of charge poourate remained undiminished. Lord J. RUSSELL said that his right hon. frier.: • Chancellor ot the Exchequer would shortly have t r rtiet, proposition to the house upon this iubject. The had been for some time ntder t e coatideeatisu of ‘• meat, and he hoped that on an early day hit hcr.. 1,.. would state his proposition. As to the question of to: • on which the noble lord asked for some assistance.te he would 'not forget that as to the trunk lines, h. regard to the South, and South W.. 0, and West, Ih. re : been schemes which had been proposed to per:ism - iv. were now bein.,7 eitricd i:to effect, As to the net•'7., lines, he honed there would 1) . ; no diflktilty • • p'e•ing the lire, which he t• 11 the how,' . year it was de&rable the government should As to the statemett of the hon. gentleman who pp that although there had been a diminution in the wt.:2.. relieved by the poor law in Ireland, there had be. r. diminution of the expense, he was in error on that ;us.. The expenditure last Deeembee, as compared with ill, penditure of any other December, was 60,0001. lee.; the decrease of expenditure, from 1519 to 1350, • 9,0001. The hon. member for Montrose had addressed the house some o b servations on the subject of the ere!, of the franchise. He would not enter into the argumei• or give his reasons at the present moment, but it wee the intention of government oi propose any bill for the tension of the franchise in England, during the pre ear. He hoped that some gentleman would brie; the jest under discussion, and he (Lord J. Russell) should a. be ready to maintain the opinions which he now held Mr. FREWEN asked the noble lord at the heal ••t ' government, if the Chancellor of the Exchequer r government intended to propose to parliament that tt• :r.. rest paid by the respective railroads in Ireland shou:i more equalised. Lord J. RUSSELL war understood to rep:y .0 negative. Mr. SADLEIII trusted that the hon. gentleman we press on the government the policy of what he ;tree equalising the rate of interest. He countered tha: diminution in the number of persona reciivi,.: door relief might be accounted for by the of human life which hail taken place in Ireland. T l . were an immense number of persons'applying to hos t-, guardians for out-door relief who wire refuse/. A. present Gee-trade policy which had been d,115,r.• adopted by this country, be was anxious that this uric policy should obtain a lair trial. He felt it to be imp that every description of food should be imported free 0: into Ireland. With the lash tenant it was einineat.e question of rent, particularly in the provinces of Leinster Munster. It they could cultivate these lands ander t curity of a valid lease, they would see their spiky to a useful and prosperous condition of their present tame• the difficulty arose as to the equitable adjucment of r ' There could be no doubt but that the condition of Ir.: , had deteriorated under free trade. The land heel pratut of cultivation, and as for wages, there was no rate of a.. in many parts of the south of Ireland. Able-bodied were glad to work for two meals a day, and lodziae: outhouse. (Hear, hear ) Ile wished to impress up.n ' noble lord at the head of the government, if he . place the Irish labourer in a better position than he I. present, the necessity of introducing some general culated to place the Great Western Railwn railways of Ireland o the some tee! as the Midland ay, with res to the acquisition of land. A short bill, giving ' the railways the benefit of what was cal,ed Mulliogar clans,' would be of incalculable Iteciti: land. (Hear, hear.) Lord NEWPORT could not let that without stating to the house and to the government the a di nTm tis e r n at dm tim ent w h h a i d ah lin th try. He rejoiced that the government hal declared the. ft.): that movedparagraph ccaused d is h the throughout did not intend to offer an insult to the agricultural intim:. but notwithstanding that disavowal, he could not but r.cof that the speech had not contained different language. A meeting of the operative silk weavers held the other .I.IY take into consideration the rights of labour, a gentler' , the name of Kidd, whose acquaintance he hail not the hoc • u . r . of posemsing—(laughter)—but who was, he undetstood.: tachi d to the chartist body, declared his belief that the doctrine of buying in the cheapest and selling in the dean cantinas of the operative silk weavers were, he added : 4 int iPew hou h t o th n e * c. a week; and with such wages they must neensw , . 4 ; s t: market must prove ruinous to the labourer . The the ranks of pauperism. Those observations were mously sheered, the cheers emanatie but from the operative silk weavers o f the metropolis; was a significant proof that the operatives acre con whether or not the theory which he lied mentioned wass: Ile should regret to see the government defeated by e nation of politica partiu t in that house ; bat aides n 1, removed the duties which bore especially upon '''. ; the people, they would have to male . way for other sar i s• from 1ant100..,7, t x.. 1 I !V P ■ V 0