The Express. — London, England, 1850-06-11 00:00:00

Audio at legliatite la pods, EN PERIAI, PARLIAMENT. MOOSE OF LORDS—MONDAY, JUNE 10. This Iseehhips Ten at half-past her o'clock, when the iog Mead B ills gby P en ns St the foll•wing bibs: sad Pretties (Ireland) net Hillailliment; Parish Ocestalies ; Ada of refitment Al* bodallea ; Beaday Fain Preemies; Liesseed Victuallers wad Honeral Fire sad Life Assumes Camping (No. 2); WWI Gas Light and Coke Compsay; deal owl Burgess* of Ole gees Cohaisation Amu:sees Gosepsay; ILlala Gelidly Feed Society Vanity of Physi laserporatios ; Ike • else amid frettiten Realwayt Rl7Ol Cowes of 5411.4" of 'Edinburgh ; Nottingham imam's Allotment& ___ _ _ ACCOMMODATION FOR ASSISTANT SURGEONS IN THE NAVY. The Sod of MTNTO said he wished to comet a %ire or s obeyert of the few weeds whish foil from the Whew sight em Obis abbe. He was reported to . - hab said bat it was irowird, et dr r esi g= f tie sar : ooni Adwiralty, wasowinealien as ia the W eirr e E i fid. He mid so sash i Nom Wee 110 infiention • of alt these Gann to ism port et the ship. (IRELAND) ACT L'CUMBERED ESTATES AMENDMENT BILL. Tha Massie of WESTMEATH moved the email read kg of this bill. Dan the gaieties law every man who gyred a shilling ia Ireland could sot be °arena how lone be might aajoy lie Mai* The Incambered Estates Act of bet maim was a meson et eciallecaties, for under its provision property* Inlaid was sillies for sothisg. Rhea that act pared the Hoasoosf Lorda, it wee sot to ebb ism ope ration unless the estate was easamberod to half is wawa but aa altersties was ait s La the Cantmeas, to the ebb that say penes being • es ismbreasse fee so small a eau as 1001., could apply so the Court of Che for • re ether, and thus bring the ease within the opentis of the act. The owner*: ea eetikinight be sad whoa is returned he might find flat his esta a ret bees told. What he prep eed by the pretest bill was, that a moderate minimum price should be tiled, below whirl so man's pro perty should be sold. He should fix that ultimata at 15 years' purchase. He also proposed • pension to this effect, that during the time that the estate of say isdividesl should be under the operation of the set, protect*. (analog , us to the protection in bankruptcy) should be extended to him to mashie him to ahead to his alien. The Earl ef CARLISLE said be shield be alder the as. imenty rpp,slot the mei= el the bide marquis. The Duke of RICHMOND said it New eras& sat that seder the act of last year estate is baud were sold at seven sad a ball yeah' purchase; This was not to be bone s—it was to aleolste condwation of the property of Ireland, sad if hie aolds friend premed his hill tea div Wes he should mast entsinly Tate with hist. o.. Tz h Earl el OLENOALL said he deeply regrestod to beer c hobo sad (Carliele) intended to oppor the bill. 1 .7 1;7C of last year he did set beehive to elem.**, as • mann of soallsontisa. It was plunder of the most infa mous descried.. ; sad be said if this anent of stsfisciaties were allowed to gees in Ireland, aid If perliameat did see redrew the pitmans of whisk partite wow complained, the people *IMAM would meet is Dahlia sad redress their grievances themselves. (Haar, Mar.) He said it sou sot right that the property of Imbed should be confiscated merely to upheld 90169 duty theosy of thellsachnter school. 7110190 wen sot twenty ponies in that bean whet that act Swami he said that both haste were degraded and se keg as they suffered it to remain on the statute He would attempt to obtain its repeal in a thousand ollors every week if he emelt (Hear. hear.) He had is ids pocket the details of many of the sales which lad takes Meer. Is some iestanose estates had sold for tee sad s half year's purchase. sad is some for so high r henna years' purchase. (Hese, hear.)lThe noble earl then eon eland in a most iailigesat tone and with animated gestures. We an disgusted with the Manchester theories, and we will sot have them tried. We defy yea te carry ea this bill; if you do so, yea will have a rebeUisa, and you will deserve it. (Hear, hear) Charles I. sad Jaws 11. lost their thrones for one half of what yen are deism every day. Lird Strafford's ease is aothing to be compared to the Tinsley exercised every boar is that country on this subject. (Hear, Mar.) The amembseat ia the Hobe of Comment with respect to receivers was a mere swicdle. It was brought up three days Where the erasion closed, and not ore Irish peer WY present. Until this set is repealed, there will be no end to the amount of 'nineties done to Ireland. (Hear ) The Marquis of LONDONDERRY ell that he merely rose for the purpose of entreating his noble friend not to taw seek language. He urged him not to defy the govern. meat, or to talk of meetings at Dublin to resist the law. (Hear, hear.) He trusted that whatever might be done in Ireland, yet that the same loyal spirit would prevail there, sad provost the tommissi in of any v.oleace. (Hear, hear.) Lord CAMPBELL mid that, him the speech of the Roble earl, sae would suppose that this was a bill to meal the Inetuabered Estates Al, for the whole of the speech of the noble earl was en invective against that measure, aad sot against the small and paltry bill now brought forward by the noble marquis. IL trusted that this bill would sot meet with the approbation of their 'Afdehipe. Earl FITZ WI LLIAM said this bill was not intended to onnet the bill of last year. far' he believed there wee a great deal of good in that at', but to repeal • Cause under which great Wiest*. wee perpetrated ow landlords of Ireland, that he should aadoeitoodly vote for this bill. Lord BEAUMONT said the noble end learned lord (Lord Campbell) had either sot Teed the bill, or had not under stood it. The noble sad learned lord would have them be neve that by paring this till they would tie t the sale of estates upon which there were receiver" That was sot the case. The alteration under this bill would be this —s large estate whiA was clear from all *cumbrances, except to • very small mount, and that incumbrance affecting only a part, and cot the wholes of that seta*, aid there being • roc inr on that pirt ; an estate in such a posi tion wet sow Babb to be brought into court ad to be sold ; but if this bid were to pus that estate would not come into court. That was the whole abet of the bill. It was to prevent the sale of large estates slightly encumbered. He was bound on every principle to vote leer the bill. In the first place it wee never the intention of the Initiator* to bring under the bill the estates which would be exempted by this bill ; in the second place, their lordibips sever intended It; and, in the third place, common sew required the repeal of the clause which it was the object of this bill to Ind CAMPBELL aid if the noble lord meant, as might well be supposed from his argument, that the lacumbered Estates Ball, as it now stood, required all land in Ireland subjects's receiver to be sold, he certainly entirely maim'. dentood the bill, and he misrepresented the effect of the present bill. By the ball as it now stood, where there was a receiver, the commimioners might inquire whether the estate should be sold or not. (Hear, hear.) That brought It withia their jurisdiction, and they were most auk to be trusted with the great powers with which they were fawned if they did not, In the first place, inquire whether the power that they had ought to be exercised or sot Could it be supposed for a unmet that when there was a ntedver on a small part of a large estate, abundantly able to sent all its eogagentests, that that estate should be sold i When there was a receiver, and an estate 9909 un able to meet its engagement; when nothing went either to the ineutahrsaoer or to the owner, there the confinisionere had the power M cane the sale of that estate. The Esti of WICKLOW rebutted that the arguments of those who web in favour of the measure bad been rather against the Itearabered Estates Bill. He was very much in favour of the Ineembered Estates Bill. He pressed the government to brim forward a eneware of the kind, and nothing that had sines occurred had bossed his opinion in favour of that hid. Bet it had come into operation at a moat anfavounble time. He believe d that if the act had three er four years ageing operations would have been L'iTrl: beneficial; but coming Iwo crustiest last year, when fond in ,all parts of the United Kingdom, but especially in Ire land, was depreciated in value, it was not so benefices'. He should oppose any measure for the repeal of that act. But he had heard with an astonishment he could not express, the opinion of the Lord Chief Justice. He It was who appointed a committee of their lordships' hones to investigate this subject. They went through a car ful inquiry, and yet in the various enact ments that were proposed it never for one moment sug gested itself to the mind of the noble lord to propose any such provision as that which it wee the int. ration of his nobl. friend now to neat. If her Majesty's ministers would sasses him that the bill which the noble President of the Council said the other night was likely to be brought into the Howe of Commas should contain a provision for the removal of this anomaly, he should at once advise his noble friend to withdraw this ; bat, it they would not give that assurance, he should give his emacia tion& support to this bill. The Earl of CARLISLE, speaking lee the second time, withdrew his opposition to the second reading of the bill, as be believed that a modification of the act, removing from its jurisdiction estates whore the inceembrances did not exceed • moiety of the value, was honed in Ireland; or If sent down to the Hone of Caimans, the bill might be discussed in conjunction with mother measure upon the same subject brought in by the Selisiter-Oeneral. The Marquis of WESTMSATII •as much gratified by the bamboo the sable lewd bad made. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE subl, though he esfinly eoscarred with the soli. earl (Carlisle) in consenting to the latrodaetien of this fie the purpose of facilites tag the discard= of this sableet , both i s this and the other house of parliament, he did not in the least admit that any Imputation existed spas the erimmissionere of encumbered - arm is [reload. Lord STANLEY was not Whiled with so limited a • cemnioa of wassdased to the Encumbered Estates AA Twelve yeses' wane bed, ho believed, been the 9 0■Zi1001111 obtained kr kerball had; rad is many NON ail prices had aged from tem be slght, swam, worn sae had a b a ll y ears ' purchase. Hiodand She soeseammet to premium be *hid return of sales essmiseld AIN the act peed. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE premised to lay the re bus on the lobe if it were moved for ; hat believed that it would be fetid insprestisalis to limit the WO of encum bered properties by the eseetesont of a emblems. The - bill was dm rood a owed time. AUSTRALIAN COLONIES GOVERNMENT BILL. Lord BROUGHAM laid em the table several petitines be. parties in Owes eolonies, preying to be heard by their meats or conned at the bet of the how &Oast this bill. His lordship enforced the prayer of the petitiosere, declar ing that the measure had been proposed without due laquiry into the opinion held concerning it in Australia. The gasifies having been pat, Lord ORZT said that if it were in accordance with the pretties of the house to hear counsel in such came he should not object to do so at any stage of the bill, for he believed it might lee attended with newrataries, although with a considerable leas of time. Bat he believed, on the other band, that it was a matter of the greatest importance es far as rAirible to adhere M the lontrecognised pretties of the house not SO 19994 ••••••I at tlb• bar ualos ia_ • direct pommel i•lmon bias • wants of pabile OW, irtt moss ; and, •• • spoors wool that say wide to tb•ir' aro? theANsirstuisailketibe essesel at Ms b i a that Ye _ &or lag difficulties in des way elbselog the person to preseat w pail& lord at the head of the gedipmelee - bedews edam which - ahem*. the whole d the tided =theM der INA k She dell pewee ~aria . lie sable hied the Odeeld roc opera eld MAW be dell BM have beim esemielbet mere MO tam segodaild with *et higeollell deer, Mw anew *sea M be had By odd tie the bar Ythe i (Hear.) , • Esit GRANVILLE NU the report en Whish es :Z= feuded, ad*, MM while embed She lemehe ago, was oebehmehlly dais le as mem* der beige Om beam Led John :Rana be i d=mmdes at dm sod di!, hot mid that he lewd a theme, erlikli bed eldeboom madt dilihmeei "balder , bed Ida maimed ea the met ed the noble Mid. (Haar.) Aber ems fkutbse esavenatice, Lid 11101701LA1d, Is reply, Omitted that bets and ahp wee smalasl limas regesdna tho knowledge of the onlemial ledelminee 'SUM J. lhooslre dinned in as to the lidirdeless Ael. bate malimeded *dlr. See* the agent, *deg wend holddlems, MO hi pewee M 'act without medvag frees *at hely spill Marne** ea Ibis *Midler Oat. Atlit mouth, wow deemary each lhai emmeau dating m lot take tleee hewed rile evaalii and the ether side of the globs; was it to be said that boom* lb. Mott bad now no sped& informatics upon the idled of this bill, that his geseral agency, his personal and his lopreseVative duties, were to go abeigutely r a. antidag ? Why ? Merely *cede it was lispomiblo be him be have get those pertaia and specific instructions. It had been seed that every this' taraed es Mr. Scott now ; in easeser it Add be admitted that that hoe. gentleman was only dee the pstitieeen. Although the spat and representative of, the aolosists of Australia, he, as an individual, wm net the km entitled et be heard by their lordships as pethidine,. Bash heaves of parliament domed to open *I& deem M how the eemplaiste ef all parties, and was We *tides, net to be heard deems it mutated from Madownen who, In stead of being when their property was situated, in a die tanecolony, happened to be in London, end one of them the representative of many others ia that part of the world? Peathieg could be men futile than the arguments used against boating these petitioners. The Earl of BT. MIAMIANS ridded that what he had awed with refereses le Mr. Scott wee that he was set se& Meetly instructed by the edoeists, sad net what the "ebb and learned lord who bad just sat down bad represented. The aebe earl me* seem rerthm observations, which wee, inaudible in the Leen BROUGra begged his noble friend would WI them when he fond the taco he had stated. (A laugh.) The Esrl of BT. GERMANS said he had seen them in the coiesial neetenaPom Lord BROUGHAM—Oh, of course, as my noble friend says he has seen these statements in a newspaper, they mast be true. (Landsat ) Straders were then ordered to 'withdraw, and their lord ships divided, when there appeared— Fr the motion Against it 33-11 Oa our return to the gallery, we found The Bishop of OXFORD addressing their lordships. He said notwithstaading the decision at which they had arrived, they might yet palliate the luting and permanent evil which they were about to inflict upon their fellow countrymenfon the other ale of the globe. He would point out to the Colonial Secretary a way by which that object could be attained, namely, that the bill should be referred to • select committee of the house. After • most patient consideration of the bili it appeared to him to be singularly injudicious. The great proposition in it was, the introductioa of a single chamber, which must necustarily be composed of diseerdant elements, impossible to be besought into harmonious action. That very eircuenstasee should of itself induce their lordships to consider It well and cautiously before they adopted it. Such • measure could not work well, for it carried with it the seeds of destruction. There was a total lack of wisdom and caution ;in it. The answer, no doubt, would be, that a single chamber was approval of by the people of the colooy, and that the hill gave the power of changing it whenever they thoudht it expedient. There were two answers to that statement. First, he (the right rev. prelate) denied that it was desired by the people of New South Wales; sad, if their lordships referred the bill to • select committee, he was prepared to proauce witnesses to prove that the bill was not acceptable to the colonists. The colonists looked forward to the power of recon structing the climber now given to them; but was it likely they would constitute another chamber higher than themselves, and likely to control them or interfere with their privileges? Certainly . not; especially at a time they in all probability would be in the enjoyment of all power them selves—when they might be emisidered the leaders of a greet party, and had drunk deeply of the in to:testing draught of popularity—was it to be supposed that the single chamber would, under each declass:aim:es, constitute soother above themselves to take away the power now most ill-advisedly conferred upon them ? Then it was said that the colonies are not at present capable of affording Ht Oillteriail for two separate chambers. It was quite clear that the colony of New South Wales contained abundant materials (or two chambers, but not for two chambers to be elected in the manner proposed by the bill. It possessed ample materials for two elected chambers. Even admitting it was true that the bill was sinueltrly popular in New South Wales, that was no reason for inflicting it upon other parts of those colonies very diffrently circumstanoed, and where there was no evidence whatever that it was in any manner even acceptable. But he denied teat it had been proved New South Wales was in favour of the shale chamber. Then were other points in the bill whirl smirked the same haste in its preparation. He thought one of thaw was the way in which the franchise was dealt with, and the ex elegem or whet might be odd the hest blood of the colonies from the list of voters ought of itself to be fatal to the bill. Those who heti large estates under the crown would be practically eashided from the legislative amiably. The fnuselges ought to be fixed higher than it was in the present state of New South Wales, but the bill was so framed as to throw the command of power in the colony into the hands of those who ou ;ht not to pewee it, and the convict population and those who owing from them would be dominant in th e coun t r y. There were two other provisions in the bill which were pregnant with evil to these colonies and to this osantry. It maintained, while it seemed to Ore liberty M the eddy, an entire Osumi of freedom au Meg as it was subject to the influence of the Colonial Waco in Downing•st rest. The noble earl the Secretary for the Colonies had, in speaking on this subject in another place and under another name dwelt en the mischievous absurdity of one halt-instra-ted intes tate in 1:1 oweing•etceet governing the antipodes; he dwelt Maths absurdity of ending bills there relating to the social asnlbet of the inhabitants, sad showed how notated, on ate principle of political philosophy was the nitration of seek a power in hands so unfitted to maintain it. It was not of the noble earl and of his administration he spoke, but of the general principles of government. It was impossible fer their lordships to legidata usefully for those Australian colonies unless they could mark out the local interests which should be left to local legit laths, sad the imperial interests which must be settled at the neat of empire. It was said it was difficult to define what were local and what were imperial interests; end this was a strong &raiment in favour of his motion for referring the bill to • select sow mitts*, where these details could be inquired fate The moral character of a people was always formed by the wisdom and judgment displayed in the training of their religious institutions, and how was that dons by this bill? In this country there was an established church posseeedg no my social and civil privileges, accompanied by many restrictions, and they were about to give t o th e colonies this church with all its restrictions and fur:e of its correlative advantages, while other denominations were unh pared —not that he grudged than that liberty ; he rejoiced that they had it ; and he would not take away an atom of that liberty by which they were enabled to fight vice sad misery in that distant land with the weapons of reli es& ; but he said there ought to have been done as much for the church, but which had not been done. Ho did not wish that the established church should be erected in those colonies, for he did not believe it was akin to the temper and habits of those countries. Still, be did ask, as • matter of plain justice, that they who held the fora of faith, the Articles and the Liturgy of the church of England, and only so far as she was • Spiritual church, should not be so burdened, or their energies so crippled, as they were at home. Ile (the Bishop of Oxford) would um dertake to establish before a select comenitt.e, that the church was se shackled and restricted in the colonise. The made of 1604 were by the general law binding OD the own aim; but as the powers of the bishops to bold courts were struck out of their patents,they had as autocratic sad despotic power, and were obliged to deal with the offences of the clergy by means of this power only. The right rev. prelate concluded by moving that the bill be referred to a select eoramitios of their noble house. 0 1 01 r Earl GREY said that he should have been leis sarprieed lf, instead of moving the bill might be referred to a mks% committee, the right rev. mallets had moved that it be read that day vie month, as he had endeavoured to show Wet every clause in the measure was either more or lees e palpa ble blunder. The principle of the bill was this, that finding a certain state of things to exist in the colonies it would continue that state of things with the least possible cheese. Notwithstanding the objections of the right rev. prelate, he felt persuaded, in the present state of oar Australian colonies, the fistula of government existing at New South Wales had shown by experience that it was exceedingly well adapted to their condition. lie thought they certainly stood very high Mikan colonial eontranaltimi for the manner is which they administered their own affairs. It wee because that system worked well that the principle of the present bill was to allow it to remain unaltered. The noble sari behaved in the ordinary coarse of things, as society enlarged, it was likely • change might take place ; bat his hope was that it would not immediately take place. What he contended was this, that when parliament had once Riven are. preeemative government to any e..lony, and when it found such government wuiking well; it ILO no right, against the will of the rolonhts, to iatrodece a n y ohaemt whatever. In support of his argument that en oileerothn should not take plate in the constitution of our Australian colonies, without their comsat; the noble earl relined to NV% _ =sllirlit I WM WM _AWN* etarifeW —wigs higill re la bil beis = erik— lfiailuea lw titles the aidiafte. tile puma Itiolled le energise her view Beery est rewedned 1111-slisellowed. He male- Wird lie pewee of &bailsman, wee abed= my, ma IllialtlielWPlßßAlnegielseeneb in ea est et paia isillfulial tee diseall b and a l.. = what Auld:role 4 1 1•11111s.16 *he try had wither the Or thetatiletell tplatesh in ee load legislation in the • hat isdaktivg We, treated to know In what respite t • . . th ew His belief was that in ao past • Uwe exist any F I : w b h : It " . . , ' , But it tette sil by attelnatieg_ ' ... 1 ' t we ledislaterei but this wu a frilacT. • sat M 100 of the laws yawed is New float related te nerd local nation, of which no th ing was klieWei I s this cesatry. And when the right rev prelate said the working of the rusting esestltattons left so small a usessore of freedom, he hardly fund that to be the cue ; because the question was how the divisions were carried. He found that in New South Wags—not tat:hulls' the last serial of which the Ideates were net In this arantry—there had been 272 divisions, and of *tee me fewer than St were carried by n majority of the demo/ members, sad therefore clearly public opinion was .net with the asinerlty. There were seventy-three diriskors, ' labials the samba of elected members voting with the Iffinerity was greater than the member of elected sumbess with the majority ; and there were fifteen dirties"! 'II the elected representatives were equal, end en lanes was decided by the nominees. But then the eighteen. I prelate said one of the reasons for resisting the mess= that at it unitised • clause by'orla telt the coloaista will be hereafter to alter the coortitutiou. The right rev. prelate aglow, that the imperial parliament ought to dictate the ism of government that should twat in the colonieq. Was the right rev. prelate aware that In the great majority of the. British colonic+ the masa:urines originally established were not in the shape that ultimately prevailed. In the thirteen provinces of America, before the separa tion, there were different forms of coast ratios established by charter, and in every one of these charters there were subsequent modifisations. In Jamaica they begun with one chamber, but the governor and the council together. amended bilk, sad it was. not till some time after that colony was established that tho council sat as a separate ehaaioer, and even to this day the council did not claim the power of originating any bill. In process of time the different constitutions settled into that shape which was found to be bast At this moment, except in Canada, there was no colony in which a new constitution was not is ouration with the consent of the crown. To have totems to the imperial government for every alteration appeared to him to be very bad policy. Then the right rev. prelate objerimiesty mach to the clause empowering the colonists to surname ke dual legislature. He was ready to admit that this clause vim no vital part of the scents. The claw, limited ask ovum come late operation only when desired by the colonist", was a wise and proper oar ; but if the stains were struck out, as far u the individul intends of the cologne were costarred, he did not think that ley serioua irjury would happen ; and In might fairly postpone the coulderation of it till they cams to the clause huff. The only point to which he would 'now advert was in reference to the right rev. prelate's statement of the position of the church in the 1 colonies. He concurred with the right rev. prolate In be litving this to be a motnent,us question. lie entertained the mrongest desire that they should do whatever was prac ticable to promote the interest of the church in the oelonies. But if they' really took an interest in the welfare of the Church of England in the colonies, he called on them to beware how they treated a subject on which the colonists wt re peculiarly sensitive and jealous, how they offended their preluoUes or interfered with their righta. The right rev. prelate said the church was under severe restrictions. If it could be pointed out that these restrictimn could be removed, he far one should be anxious to remove them. He bad not yet *aril it explained what thise restrictions really were or *w they were to be removed. It was - true the right rev. prelate had to night pointed out many resiects in which the pewees of the church were crippled : he said that if the bah* wished to hold an inquiry into the conduct of his clergy theitiuquiry would net be a privileged one, and that those who vs eVi• deuce would be liable te be pros:mated for libel, art at the church of England was thus deprived of an earn means of exercising Its discipline . • That might be the ; but ; the same thing applied to the church of e, to the Wesleyan', or any other church that • fe:ed in the colonies. They none of them could institute these investigation+ with that protecloo which the rightmv. pre late atemed to think desirable. If that protecti was to be accorded, it ought to by en act of the colonial 1 ature. And he must say that his objection to latroducia y such clause was strong. A devoted clergyman from Die men's now in this country, in writing to him 'art the irtrodsction of such a clause, distieetly admitted i was the proper province of the colonial legislature to pass is law, but he said the local legislature wou not. At the time the present system was introduced to New South Wales they had a very small body of cleraptita in deed, and religibus animosity weed very high ' • tat a law was passed, by whisk, se near as poseible, equal adhntsgea were given to all rsligioes. The consequence of *at had beer. that religious animosity had been smoothed Men and lulled te sleep, and a very great humus indeed hid takes place in the church of England, and the number of clergy men who were now employed in that colony was very much greater indeed than it previously was, and greater eves, when compared with the enlarged popularise, than it was at that time. This polity had bad the happleet re sult", and he caned on them not to reverse this w* policy. It it was said that the clause proposed by the sight rev. prelate - was a matter of only internal regulation, then leave it to the colonial legislature, who, when the matter was fairly stated, would, he believed, do what was nuessary. But it was not merely in New South Wales that there were these restrietioas ; they existed in all the colonies. If the right rev. prelate would suggest a measure on the snidest it would naive the but attention of the government who were most anxious to relieve the church from an y incum branco or embarrassment. lie entreated their lordst4e not to throw out this bat by adopting the proposed amendment—not to dash the cup of hope thus suddenly from the lips of the co lonists, who had shown themselves so anxious for the measure. Lord STANLEY complimented the noble earl on the tone, the temper, and the talent he had evinced in his speech, sad declared, that in a grea t deal of what the bolds earl said, he fully con . He agreed with them that there would be great difficulty in including in such a measure particular clauses respecting the church , holm it could be shown that they were special to the colonies con earned; and he felt amend that the noble earl and her Majesty's government were prepared to look to the ques tion is a friendly and sincereepirit of improvement. But there was a portion of the bill to which be certainly could not give his assent without further information. He meant the 'Wien from 80 to 36 inclusive. He did not think the feel. Bap of the colonists were sufficiently well known respecting the separation of Port Phillip from New South Wales, and the establishment of a separate legislature, to justify them in hastily legislating on that subject. If the noble sari would omit the clauses from 30 to 3.5 inclusive, he would ador:::: remainder of the bill, and ask tho right rev. prelate to his demand for a select committee; but it these clauses re mised, rather than In a party to so hasty and du rum a step he would reject the bill. Earl GREY declined to promise the mutilation of the MR. MA postponed all modification' until the clauses OEM IS fee eausderation. He saw no probability of their agreeing, and tweeted that they had better go to a diviotoo, although, if the bill were lost, great responsibility would devolve on those who opposed it, seeing that the colonists were so anxious it should pass. For referring the bill to a select committee Against 3l-13 On our return to the gallery, at I o'clock, we found their lordships adjourning. kra HOUSE OF COMMONS.-HONDAT, JUNI 10. The Branum took the ehair at the usual hour. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Pet-rouses BILL—By Mr. BANKES, from ToJecorden and other elapse; Sir G. STRICKLAND, from Preston ; Lord ASHLEY (place not heard); praying for an effective ten hours bill; Mr. JACKSON, troas 510 persons engaged is the silk trade at Neweaetheandn-Lyme, praying that their present mode of working ten hours a day and eight hours on Saturdays may not be disturbed; Mr. BASS, from 3.700 persons mimed is the silk trade in Derby, praying that their pretest mode of working ten hours a day and eight hoar on Saturdays may tot ba digested. TAINS ON KNOWINDOII.—By Viscount MELOUND, from the proprietors of a Oesenotk newspaper, for the removal of these taxes. NATIONAL nticsmoti.—By Sir J. Y. BULLER, from 2,000 of the clergy and laity of the diocese of Ruhr, com plaining of the regulations of the Committee of Council on Education, and egainet the encouragement of a latitudi narian Deft= of education ; also from another place, to the mimeo ROYAL ASSRNT. Here the Brasdan was sawatoord to the Muse of Lords to hear the royal assent given to several bills, for list of whisk raw Lords' report. THE NATIONAL GALLERY. Lora J. RUSSELL gave notice to more this day, the appointment of a select committee to consider the present moommodatim afforded.to the National Gallery, and the best was of inceensian that accommod Moil ; also, to move the samosa the examittee (thus.. us last )ear) at the same dose. SUNDAY LABOUR IN 1'111.: l'Ori f-OFFICB. Sir O. OBEY, standing at the hcr, communicated to the house Mr Mrjertre greoletui r.ply vo the addreee toted a lett isi s. sta he ti piessi W ei Kw. kar t moth* Weft as die paper, emserills o d i teg o e i l:s her set mantle the legions d mesh** relative *the dew I fist u s i s P ei l t odd WI the smanese *Met She verbs Ism less eitimelea=rilli a roe to meter ties earn arl, = 4 1. 57 dew the maw* In the pien deemed , sod by paper aromeeleg *hear of IP entebled ornate Se siterst piedmont ma *lds* de siwi t el Ihe piss; andtae , eammillse be le Main sire . bra Pimittdd of as Ile diditteme ildlertbse rode by bleimpen MOM !WPM ibafameria*billetql WIG dem rodeetthe semplorme ef ee ander Mel MI re Truseen the dmmeinisers of Weeds mei *he, or rist Misr *etre; ales whet kora: Om sad pretest* nerd ere ran* le be serried at fa ellopislisa the said Bert et Teddersg, with peeper admen dr de she sedum tmeitems so as to mere at the told memo tsr the white halm it r, sod desseedme. lie wee armee. that he wee wadertakieg ea ungteessat daty V mairsittlas these mastless to the house, bat he had buss reqeseted by several members to do so ; and It was evident that V samultlßl wee not done there would be no Halt II Mt imam His did not rake the expenditure of a pupa ohm al twig kr a hew" of peellement which would aid ate ausammistat • So Ms ustabars; but tot e.g the merman ism that had beta @beady crenated, and that (-roper auoseasedeiss bad not been provided, it was foil time that the Sawa of Commons should interfere to prevent further rem* of mosey. (Hear, hear.) None of the requhrites vita hal boa pointed out by the com mittee of 1835, Ital bora aanta out. They required that there should be eitffing room is the body of the house, for from 420 to 400 resehors, with eeeommodation for the re• minder in the galleries. Well, they had been sitting in the new house, and instead of accommodation for 420 or 460 members, there woe not accommodation for anything approaching that number. The lobbies were required to contain—one 1,800 feet, and the other 1,100. They had an opportunity of testing the accommodation afforded by them in ease of a division. They had &division in which 287 mein hers dini fed, and he would appeal to hoe. gentlemen If the lobby was not crowded toms inoonvealent dune. They might thus judge of the inconvenience whets a full house divided, and he had sue ea oceadon is which 600 members had di ' sided on one aide. (Hear, hese.) It was likewise considered of importance that there should be accommodation for 200 strangers in one or more galleries at the er.d of the house. But he would appeal to hoe. gentlemen if that part of the house was not required for the accommodation of its own inemben ? (Heat, hear.) The 11th resolution of the , Com mittee of 1836 waa, that there should be 10 committee rooms 1 about 40 by 30, from 18 to 20 feet in height; ten, 3.5 by 2.5, from 16 to 18 feet in height ; ten, 30 by 20, from 14 to 16 feet io height. He would leave hon. gentlemen who had sat in these rooms Ito speak of the accommodation which they afforded. It was evident that the accommodation in the three points he had mentioned was deficient, The principal men in the boom ' at that time sat upon the committee which drew up these resolution.; and when Mr. Barry's plan had been adopted, the committee Staten that they did so " on the express en dontanding that it could be executed for a sum not exceed ing, by an y considerable amount, the estimate submitted to themMee • Barry — that wee to ay-, 714,0361." Now, he (Mr. Hume) had some reason to doubt the accuracy of Mr. Bury's estimate, for he had written to Mr. Hodgson, the eminent contractor of Bloomsbury, requesting his opinion of it, and Mr. Hodgson informed him that the expense would amount to 1,100,0001. • and when Mr. Barry amended his plan, he calculated the expenditure at 1,300,0001. On the 13th of Juno he (Mr. Hume) presented a petition from 18 or 20 architects of the metropolis, in which it was stated the building would not be executed for leas than 2,000,0001, and that they founded their calculation on the expenditure of Henry VII. chapel, to which Mr. Barry's plan nearly approached. Accordingly a com mittee, of which Sir John Cam Hohhouse was chair man, was appointed to inquire into the subject. It was then referred to the Commissioners of Woods and Forests to inquire into and report upon Mr. Barry's plans and estimates. That report was made on the 18th of April, 1837, and was signed by Lord Duneannon, B. C. Stephen son, and A. Milne. The gentlemen appointed by the Com missioners of Woods and Forests to examine the estimate were Messrs. Seward and Chawner, architects; and they reported " That the new houses of parliament can be tads. famonly erected, according to the said drawings, for the sum stated by Mr. Barry (707,1041.)" This wee exclusive of the proposed embankment et part of the river Thames, the esti mate of which was 44,0001. ; and the purchase of the site, ite., which was estimated at 8.5,0001 —making a total of 129,0001., which was to be added to the 707,1041. It appeared that a great many devia tions had been made from the plan, whether on the motion of Mr. Barry himself, or at the suggestion of some other person or persons he did not know, but it was full time for them to see that some limit was put upon the expenditero. He held in his hand a paper published by Lord Sudeley in 1844, himself one of the commissioners, from which it appeared that deviations to a considerable extent had been made in the House of Lords. It appeared from this that her Majesty was to enter at one side by the great tower, and was to pass out at the other side. But space enough had not been allowed for this our pose, and them it was intended that her Majesty should drive through a 'inhumes= tunnel—a pismire of only 9 feet in width. But as the width of her Majeste's cartage was 8 feet 9 inches, he thought there would be some danger in passing through. (Hear, hear.) If any person happened to be in the passage, he could not well escape being crushed, He was astonished that any go vernment could allow them things to go en in this manner. He was not authorised to blame Mr. Barry ; Mr. Barry might have authority for what be did. He did not mean to cast the least reflection on the eminent talents of Mr. Barry. He was ready to acknowledge his taste and imagi. nation. He only meant to say, that having undertaken to make a Rouse of Lords and Commons, he failed to uo that. Having alluded to Earl de Grey's speech on the late pre. ientation of a gold medal to Mr. Barry, Mr. Hume left it to them to say whether that was cr was not a fair description of the conduct or proceeding. of that house. (Hear, hest.) His (Mr Hume's) object wee to ascertain who the parties were, and by what sanction and authority the expense of erecting the building had been increased from 721,0001. to over two millions. (Hear hear.) It might turn out that Mr. Barry might be able to clear him'elt from all those charges, as he (Mr. Hume) wished he might, because it was through no personal or hostile feeling to Mr. Barry that be brought on the motion, but became he con ceived the house was bound to have a full and candid de tail of every expense connected with the undertaking. (Hear, hear.) He called on them then to disallow the 3,0001. to the Commissioners of Fine Arts for one year ; because by stop ping the supple they would prevent their proceeding further until the building itself should be in a coadition to be used, and then they could see whether or not the money ought to be voted. He therefore called for inquiry into this, as it ap peared to him, inextricable difficulty ; and he hoped the house would support his proposition. (Hear, hese.) The motion having bees put, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the house should remember it was on their unanimous reeonniondation, and with a view of benefiting and pro moting the fine arts, that the present outlay was recom mended at the period of the erection of the new houses. The house perhaps would further remember that it was only in the last year that he announced an arrangement that met with decided and unanimous approval • namely, instead of year after year proposing votes for such a purpose, certain gentlemen wen constitilted • committee of taste, with a car min limited sum to be plated at their disposal, to be employed in the encouragement of the fine arts in the way they might deem fittest. Though some of the gentlemen might differ in their views on the subject of the tine arts, yet they were all agreed that such a course as that was pre ferable to and more satisfactory than taking a discussion year after year on the amount applied for, and never, perhaps, arriving at a satisfactory conclusion. (He a r, hear.) Lest year he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) suggested that 4,0001. might be applied to the department of the floe arts; and the house unanimously acquiesced. Therefore, acting on the faith of that arrangement, the commissioners bed, to • certain extent, entered into arrangements for the works, some of which had been executed ; and, conse quently, if they struck out the vete at present, they would do en act of great injustice to the commissioners. (Hear, beer.) The commissioners of taste relied on the arrangement made with and sanctioned by that house with a view to benefit the fine arts ; and there fore, as far u the motion went to disallow 3,0001., if they agreed to it, they would in future years put an ed to the encouragement of the fine arts as far as lay in their power. (Hear, hear.) Now, though it might be inexpedient to go into the other bunch of the subject—thecost of erection—he yet felt inclined to my • few words in reference to it (Hear, hut.) He had hoped the hon. gentleman would have waited until he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had laid on the table of the house • return which he had promised to bring forward, and which, owing to the hurry in which it was brought up, was not in a very perfect state at that moment. It would show the real state of the cue, and how far the arrangement. and original estimates had been exceeded. By the docu ment which he then held In his hand it appeared that the actual expense of building was 900,0001. The hon. gentle man had refereed to alterations that had taken place in the building. Now the actual suer of additions to the original plan, as ultimately approved of, was 230,0001. The hon. gentleman might have avoided reference to the proceedings of the committees of 1836 and 1837, which, in his opinion, were not very pertinent to the matter under consideration. The house was aware that in 1537, after a lengthened inquiry, a plan was decided on, and wee acted on up to the present moment. The estimate for the building, including the architect's commission, was 707,0001., the actual estimate for the 'martial/being 682,0001. That estimate had been sub. emitted to Messrs. Seward and Chawner, who certified that in their opinion it was a fair and reasonable estimate for building. But then there were many other purposes for which mosey Iliad to be applied, such as the river embankment, the pur chase of the site, and carrying the foundation to an extra depth beyond that originally calculated, which amounted to 129,000/. ; so that the house would see the expenie was in curred necessarily, hut at the same time outside and beyond the estimate of Mr. llarry, in which every it em was erroneously supposed to be included. (Hear, hear.) • - A esseikdocohle portion of the expanses arose from eir eametedsses ever whisk Mr. Berry had no control. For fastens., it was foetid desirable to employ a better de whales a stone. an w d the expense of that was about 221,4100 L Thera there ore antadtuted vestal sathes for the windliers Welled of timber ones, which, with incidental expenses emanated to 82,0001.; whilst the actual expense of the site, embenkreent sdgeway foundation, and improved master ease to 183,0001. Now, surely no blame could alleshie-Mr. Barry if these Improvements were adopted, but which formed no portioa whatever of his ori ginal estimate for building. (Hear, hear.) The userearad sea if sateriab was 88,0001. ; and upon nether larr is item, the ventilating, warming, and fire proofing of building, the expbnaes exceeded the original admits ho 200,0001. In the original estimate neither was 11111“ ray item for fixtures and fureiture. (Rear, hear.) Therefore the items stood, expenditure on the strastare, 882,0001. additions, 20,0001. • improved description of stone, 23,0001. • metal sashes adored of timber, 81,0001. • extra wet, as,'eocu. • cantingeneiss 37,0001 ,• ext r a founds! doe, 183,0081.• waiting, ventilating, and farther fire roofieg, 200,401. • and furniture, 600,0001. New he (the Cluneellor of the —inuer) should my it would he much more erosemt if the debate bad not been taken until after the house had had been sods amthainted with them facts. ' 81r C. BtiFiBBLL made a few observatioas, which did not reach the pilau; after which there were loud Celli of "di vide," in the deist if which Bit M. PE LL preemeled to address the house. He rose for %helpers. of addresekeg himself to that which appeared to be the pert/eau eldest of the motion before the hones, namely, a "'dustiest of the vote granted unanimously by parliament for the decoration of the new houes of legisla ture • sad as that medal, he apprehended, called f or th e rejection of a vote of 3.0001., he had • tow words to say in reference to it. (Hear, hear.) However, that which seemed to occupy the mind of the hon. gentleman opposite (Mr. Rime) as it certainly did nine-teethe of his speech, was the present condition of the New Palace of Westminster, in bladed for their deliberations; for, as to the withdrawal of the 3,0001., the hon. gentleman had scarcely made a single observation iarefereisce to the vote. (Hear, hear.) The hoe. gentleman certainly did refer to a speech made and widess delivered by a noble friend of his (Sir R. Peel's) Earl de Grey, when presenting Mr. Barry with the medal of the Society of Architects, in admiration of his genius, and in approbation of his conduct. (Heir, hear.) He (Sir E. Peel) rejoiced that his noble friend had made that speech and delivered that address, and had availed himself of the opportunity of informing Mr. Barry of the estimation in which he was held by the architects of the country. (Hear, hear.) His noble friend, he felt sure, intended no disrespect to the House of Commons in thus recording his sentiments ; and even though he did, he bad a perfect right to entertain his own views and opinions ; —(hear, hear)—and there he should observe that hon. gen tlemen should be more tolerant of opiciens differing from their own, and should not be so ready to take exception to their utterance. (Hear, bear) He (Sir R. Peel) found by the report of a committee which sat in 1844, that his noble friend expressed himself of opinion that Mr. Barry was not answerable for the alterations that had taken place in the original plans of the House of Commons. (Hear, bear.) The report of the committee went on to say that they had examined various parties as to the course adopted by Mr. Berry in reference to these alterations. and they imputed no blame whatever to him, but that, on the contrary, they had every reason to believe that the altera•ions made would conduce to the convenience and improve ment of the structure. (Hear, hear.) So that, in 1844, a complete acquittal of Mr. B arry was pronounced by the committee. (Rear, hear.) They had the evidence of the Earl of Bemborou th, who, at the period, was First Cimmis *loner of Woods and Forests, referring to the original plan of Mr. Barry in 1636 ; and stating the, if there were expenses incurred by reason of alterations being made in that plan, Mr. Barry was not to blame. (Hear, hear.) The evidence of the Earl of Beaaborough showed that the first deviation from that plan was the erecion of a house for the serjeant at-arms, a very important one, no doubt ; and that deviation ' took place during the sitting of the committee in 1836. The evidence went on to state that plans were offered for the erection of the building by Mr. Barry, amongst other compotitors, which plans were approved, as they also were in 1836, by the hon gentleman the member for Montrose. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) Lord Granville Somerset said—" Did you secede to Mr. Hume's representation ? " The answer was—" I assented to it with very great reluctance." (Laughter.) Here were these two reluctant departments driven into increased build ing and fresh expense, in consequence of the infestations of the hon. gentleman who now opposed the vote. It was very unfortunate that these departments did give in to the suggestione of a private member; the Treasury and the Woods and Forests should have had power to resist the fascination and the influence of the hon. gentleman. (Laughter.) However, there was ame excuse for them ; for when Lord Bessborough was asked, " Did Mr. Hume stale that it was his own opinion, or the general opinion of the committee ? " the answer was, " The general opinion." He Sir E. Peel) mutt say that he agreed with the hon. gentleman that the mode of taking divisions was more convenient in the old house than in the new one. But for that Mr. Barry was not reeponeible. There was a committee ap pointed in 1836 (or the purpose of considering the principle on which the new House of Commons should be constituted, and they expressly recommended that the new House of Commons should not be so long as the present onc. In this, he thought, they made a mistake. (Hear, hear.). The defect of the new house was, in his opinion, that its breadth would be too great relatively to its length, and it would, he considered, add to its beauty if its proportions could be made more like those of the old house. But in that respect Mr. Barry was wholly free from blame. Before he framed his plan, the 1301110 of Commons appointed a com mittee, and on its report advised that the new house should be broader in proportion to its length than the present one, and also expressed an opinion that there should be en apArto ment on each side in which divisions might be taken in the very manner in which Mr. Barry had provided for taking them. Therefore, the House cf Commons must share the blame, if blame there were, or rather must adopt the whole of the blame, with regard to the construction of the new House of Common.. (Hear, hear.) lie now come to the vote on which the hon. gentleman (Mr. Hume) proposed to take the knee of the house. He must say that the house was apt to have a vary short memory on matters of that kind. If they thought that, after act many of the great artists of this country had been broudht into consequence through the competition in the tine arta, in order to mark their disapprobation at the delay of the Hoses of Commons, or on account of the poverty of the country, this 3,000 f. should be kept back, they were perfectly competent to pronounce a decision to that effect, and he, for one, so far from deprecating such a course, would be heartily glad to be relieved frem the duty of attendance on the commission, especially if it were inti mated that the commissioners had not the confidence of the House of C .mmons. But let it be observed that no step whatever had been taken, either by the executive go vernment or by the Commission of the Fine Arts, except in the belief and the justiable confidence that both the government and the commission were acting in coaformity with the wishes and intentions of the House of Commons. (Hear, hear.) When he was called to office in 1811, he recommended to the crown the appointment of that commission. (Hear, hear.) Yes, but he gave that advice in consequence of the recommendation of the House of Commons—(hear, hear) —in consequence solely of the unanimous recommendation of the committee appointed by the House of Commons for the purpose of considering w hither the construction of this maghiticent building did not afford a fitting opportunity to promote the fine arts in this country. The House of Commons recommended that the commission should not encourage oil painting merely, but that, seeing that foreign countries were making progress in fresco painting—a department of art not unknown in this country in modern times, though the cultivation of it had remained dormant for about a century—the artists of this country I should be called upon to compete in that department of art. Reflections had been cast upon the commission for their selection of subjects for historical paintings ; but at any rate in making a selection of historical subjects connect. d with men distinguished in British history, tley had until that evening thought that they were acting in conformity with the wish's of the Illus. of Commons. Here was the opinion of the House of Commons— an opinion which the crown was obliged to respect, because it referred to the decoration of an edifice partly appropriated to that house : " The committee recommend to the favour able consideration of the house the evidence they have re ceived, in the hope that our new houses of parliament may hand down to posterity a memorial as well of the genius of our artists as of the importance attached by the country to the nobler productions of art, and that the subjects embo died in such representations, whether by painting or sculp. tune, may serve to perpetuate the events of our past history and tte persons of our greatest benefactors in the grateful remembrance of the people." (Hear, hear.) Suppose the crown bad neglected to carry out that recommen dation, and had done nothing in the decoration of the new houses for the promotion of the fine arts, would not the House of Commons have taken credit with the artists and the lovers of art in this country for a die Lion to give them encouragement 1 (Hear, hear.) Would they not have said, " Here is a con clusive proof of our willingness to provide tho means of encouragement, but the crown, the natural patron and pro moter of art, has done nothing for the furtherance of this great national work 1" (Hear, hear.) Will, now, the crown had taken their advice—(hear, hear 1: it had appointed a commission. (Hear, hear.) If the commission had abused the powers entrusted to them, that, again, was a perfectly legitimate ground for withholding assent to any future pro ceedings. But, on the part of the commission, he must say they were not conscious of having done anything which jugly subjected them even to implied censure. (Hear, hear.) fie had heard nothing from the hon. gentleman which showed that he wished to reflect censure on the commission. They hail opened the compe tition for prizes to the whole talent of the country, there being three prizes of 6001. each, three of 3001. earth, and three of 2001. each. A commission was appointed for the purpose of awarding the prises, and, greatly to their own satisfaction, the prises were in almost every case awarded to young men whose names had hardly ever !MIS known be fore. (Cheers.) Such was the effect of the censpetitiou, that the house was made aware of latent genius in this coun try, the existence of which it had scarcely before suspected. ' He would seention the names of the successful candidates. Mr. Pickeregill (not the royal academician, but a young man who had sines become highly distinguished), Mr. Watts, aid Mr. Armitage, gained the three prizes of 3001. ; Mr. Frost, Mr. Poole, and Mr. Cope gained the three prises of 3001. ; and Mr. Lawler. Mr. Lucy, and another artist gained the three prism of 2001. It certainly could not be maid that the commission neglected the opportunity of in viting competition amongst all the artists of the country ; nor could it be alleged that any favour was shown in . award the prizes. (lieu, hear . 1 The selection of h i storical subjects for the decoration of the house was recommended - - Iv:, - • THE rip Writ = . -kr: ' EVENING, JUNE 11, 1850. •-•-, 7...." Ithea mho la the .0.-- • uni Oae 41' d '' 4 " :" ' :4: r ilr ' 7 : ell t ligir li t ' s , k ila w= ra ge in r i S. fil. 4 . 017 4.4" " ia ta l latereetialle ="ii • t ... .... 6 , mobile alley, J t _ be ros ~ ‘ ....,.. 1 1C It etlirr ". eull ashes allele eleald 'the out la paella es • a anasare •'4* 2 . . S ' 44, r.. * 3 . is: OS ht I. wpatant allt the piddle emayeatenea. I •. he bell the la reply r. Taoserma, Mee 111 * VII ‘ X„. 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Lord Lenadowne, Lord John Ttu ir sZi - '"` td peth, Lord Milton, Mr. Macaulay, Si n Hallam, and Mr. Wyse. He ought to fob K .; it might be an addition al inducement to theca tot the vote—that, proceeding in the coefidssee the ~„'- s a sent one would benumb:le the totothiscisn had of the highest emnenoe to whom th Mistions, contiagent, i of course, o n th e i r e y had ' 1117'11 • lion of the Home of C ommons. reeeirin g 4 1t. An Her. Maraca —For how many pan: Sir R PEEL would be exceedinal charged hereafter with any concealment *joie": hear.) The 'commission had selected hi; an artist of the most distinguilhee "ethe k"t : the decoration of one ef the apartmeat,.—,:ike. parliament was in no way fettered by what hal c°llll , mid the artist had n o of the undertaking wen — ae I T% knowledge of the preeadouniess of the tentiee aisles entrusted to him. (Hear, hear.) o at . „,i t ime meats having been partieulaily reoommended ter 441 * by the report of the cionsmittee of the limey c the essamimion thought it would b e advautegeoue the decoration of that apartment to • singe, eminence, instead of employing several for 'rest.( re Thez r tought that by that course they wou:elfn a :,k ' T hey 'ty of deep, while it was also in wielm n the practice of former times. They had iaviead 'dish to make • series of decorations, six or ei g h t hi re-Ere il been left expressly for painting. lie would members who might doubt the merits or Herbert, or who bad not had an opportuaity to his works, to look at his inagniti- eat Nora " Lear and Cordelia," which was in ono r,f 1 • ments. If they thought the co d ;4r ^ with impartiality, a n d bad pursued a was calculated to encourage other depart, n , t , besides the ornamental, let them still give •. •••• v ! their confideace. If. on the other hand, elk? commission had in any way a b use d its trust, a encouragement to depsrtment s of art which,,. a" 4 have been encouraged —or if they thought tha• s of the House of Common s , or t h e House of Com is.:. • , rally, would be a better tribunal far the core 'l4 these matters—if that were theiropier - .n, he, e n , a murmur or a complaint, shoold see the coma guished, only hoping that the boos* might too .• authority for the execution of its porpost, if a• w•e. pose, to nuke the completion of thi , m agi ,,., . ‘z• conducive to the promotion of the hoe arts Mr B. O3BORNE brought back the h•APe deration of the real subject before them, from • , served, that they had been deluded • y r i. allusions to certain moments of weekoto Hume. The motion was not designed to ctr , ..- • • Arts Committee, but to euspend operati a variety of sarcastic observations %tome the •: •• • • : architecture, and the business capabdities • • •., of parliament, he contended th at common a r the proper course to pursue, that they eit edifice first and adorn it afterwards. He t .• : insufferable delay, and quoted, as trash, a .. • '; by Mr. Harry to an areoteetural inci t e, z. which in the present age was all ath.l t. se- • • • difficulty of an architect getting into a • r ,• . • mind in which he could carry out ,• • • • his plan. lie declared, also, that t.• • .. posed sum being granted fur B :..• grounded upon his respect for the: • „.., ' it= to see his works in so bad a •,.,, them. Sir R. PEEL explained that the t..act : • Londscet's pictures had been assigned IC::: ch.a: . fullest coceurrenee. Lord .1. RUSSELL replied to Ur. 0- , , , , T z w • that if the house, after app tinting the cam this grant, the only result would could not, with any regard to their c'sra , ..t , r c..• functions. The question di I not •... •, Barry. If the object of this motion h. i • • . by the mover, namely, the getting the h o would have moved (or the payment of tt. quired for that purpose, instead of merely pr • • off 3,0001.—a step which would in no reso• cc - by a day's work, the completion of the „ • defended the architect, the Fine ATIS • concerned in the progress of thu new 1,41, . the motion. Mr. PLUME said that if passible he ••• • • amendment which he bad made to the ro. proposed, and would substitute his matian :,r . matey. Mr. OSBORNE said that he W4.1:1 Otite. drewol of th , . amendment. Sir R. PEEL was understood to soy ".at he ••••e. • what the hon. member 1.1, 3isntnse <s ibr w. • of withdrawing it because ha was CATiLet6 • - pricey. Mr AGLIONBY said that on t F-r.i.y roved from the hon. member for Al- :..r:-• w the right hon. baronet in suptlos: . the impropriety of his amendment. Lard J. RLSSELL said that he rots .J .'l' • the purpose of eating that he .. r L.,: • tion to such a course, when the han.'inem -•• • said that he would oppose the acidic:4w%. meat. The house divided—. For the resolution For the atuendmen• Mr. HUME then moved for the select c stated that he had no other arguments to brir • those he had adduced on his previous mottle Lord .1. RUSSELL sail that his right t - Char.cellor of the Exchequer had alzet.dy • . that in a few days wool t b.: laid on ;he :‘• returns, showing the excess of the tape- '••ure or: - nal eetimates, and he thought that it e 1 4 P . 1 / 2 .tt,r these returns before they d ec id e d on t o. -. , • i r. member for Montrose. S.r H. WILLOLGHBY suppon.l :at IL hen. member for Montrose. Su D NORIIEYS also supported the doings) be asked the hcuse it. after a.I thc.f they had not made a most magnificent ts. . totally insufficient for all the purposes for a tended. Mr. ROEBUCK said that he scarcely knew were going to divide upon, 1121 •hat it WU most pr. in thc la or any committee that they could appoin: tend to len•,w anything about architecture. Ha the it they had appointed one man at tint to build a : them,and Mad not interfered with him,they "mull more wisely. Ho thought it absurd to ►ear one gentleman getting up and talking about ache!, ..,. about pcdimtnt•, neither knowing anything i (Laugh..er.) He thought that it would be be::,: point a committee, but to leave the respond'•. - government. _ _ _ Mr. AOLION BY %strike wont! support .h. hon. fraud the inembrr for Montrose. that the p‘ople should be informed of 3,1 tr., altiretions that bed been snide !Aloe the tr z r were formed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXC 11 . and entreated of the house to RE! the returns alluded to by tars • minister of the crown before :•• • . the motion of the honourable m:mber Sir ll PEEL thought that no • might meet aad consider th: cost of ion, ••• such, for instance, u extending the glair; • • lags at any other committee wv.,:l be perlictiy ••• • The house divided— t or the resolution For the amendment The report of supply was dun agreed to. LORD LIEUTENANCY .tat sr...ITION BILL. Oa the quation of the second reading of th, tenancy Anolition (Ireland) Bia bung put, Mr. ()RATTAN moved that it be real s • upon this day six months. Ile referee guestioti of right, ani denied the right of th.• h sere. He again said that this was an a&:.et.: • by the Irish people, and, under peen:tar minister had brought foment an .sacots' -:. abolishing it. This office was grinte,, ,• ' ' the people of Ireland, and they tad a r.:!•••• officer, pietas tee gentlemen of Bneliii i •.s.l A own chancellor and to their own sovereign ter what the nature of the edict was. whetl; r • • cleat or whether it was isconveniegt, it aro right. Was this a day for government to co ,;, • advance in this march of want of tai:h ••• • proceeding was a breath of faith with this • noble lord stood wholly unseasoned. The: , single petition in favour or the • the office. The Lord )liver of l'_`..• : tended a: the bar and pr;sented a per.': " corporation against this measure. l'he : mistook the sense of Irishmen. What dial the ru •••• to do with this country ? Did they mean to • rebels ? All classes were of opinion th tat U. ' wrong, and they were the more confirmed y did not see the extent of the uoble lord's seamen it was represented that the business of the • was onerous, bat could a secretary transact 0 ,:r• log street as well as at the Castle ? Next to %ha: • grievance. The inevitable tendency of si, Irish gentlemen leave their country. Ones , : : calamities that could befall the country was tale gentlemen of ability, and he believed th: measure that inevitable result mat folio* been said that this bill was a job, the .e.W: Mercies the ioduenee of government by additional Secretary of State and Coder Sal: :ar , meet. lie believed it; and he warned the b so much Increasing the power of the crews. wires, other remedies were wanted for Ireland through which it was heartrending to lat time. The bounty of providence wee g t•res-11, was covered with ripening fooni—but it on.v • mere strongly with the rags and wretchedne sayPeeurpulintrriselept.reodvi(aotioushrdeelarysh'neebiledhena:Lfor)atheldisaliseiltzteicrahtiil.de3al"o.7ilanhe4%:lcse: oned li o e : m a ' d e n h i n Phl c oe l ose h at starvingoth bu ried e d e : s 1 shot, and saw the estates of some English pr: I'' state which taught to cause Englishmen to brut ' , gentleman's house was tit to be looked at 'wep • Lusk the late Irish secretary. le 101• fir . ' l rf_ that all lri•lt gentlemen were not rebels. (' In; laugh.) Would nothing wan; the legislature t' -u tr ino ic tfr t y i h n iasi er git h "l ich itll M armin r b)111(4:;;Y, ” Yirni neis II C.) T fie UM. teem , •••••1 iNstialivelP:fterhtlastelawngt7smily'luisditte'slhhal°l•Uftraspihreg.ert UWenhaied;knenittelrt:T.l uJ girt II