The Express. — London, England, 1850-04-09 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARL LAMENT. HOUSE OP COMMONS.—MousiT, Ana 11.. ' Bri&w took the elk abaft MOM 4 es loek. PUBLIC BWIINUNL NEW 1111141111 k L 4 4 Syngova tusk 4101 Me oast as =saber Li Team PETITIONS PRESENTED. Tan POSTOYFICI.—By_Iir. O. DIINC_ Mi fna liso lia r di r s i NIA bp- a &as is IVETT. boa Bases, la Ilmeed dais pre;sdvism - Lummox sr Gams cos Ram —B Mr. MONTE, Ds= a pins la Losemblie sal kr. BERNAL, from 'Mood, Is Lev r et this Camel. Pesmisiisirs.—By Mr. BRIGHT, tress several . ibesdriss is Olmoew, he the abolition ad this peeislustest. Tits Clausen SlTABLlSiitairr. —BF Mr. BRIGHT, Terkeise. seams the ayprepriaties et messy by tie assablishmost. Laseez.—By Mr. COBDRN. Rem =Swum i: If , mar Leeds, yogis, tee se mosaiss et Ms time d *wide; la famortse to twelve balm. .. . Faciosiss Bur..—By Mr. MUNTZ, from Bitmlogitem, Is imear of this MIL NOTICES OF MOTION. Costume oat Peas.,lo6/11.1\1111—Ills. DISRAELI add that, with aletesee to tic oldie of =mica eves by the table lad. the Mat alaider of the wawa, kw the 12th lath. for a emalthe to lapin ate public Wades, ie mu his io. Nodes IMO the lelleobag reeduideo, by way of mead. " *abeam le pomades o f ticiedleadies requisite to sestilthe these se lee; that a eseaaittee sf *dry, soder gosh ekthadasese, would edy delay each faddism ; and that it is the ti.lt oa the:, swh esegoesibility, to leagues fare neon► eery te cleat every reduedes is the ladled establisdatiest etheisteut with the effic(eut diatom d the public wake." (Hear, au.) lie. HONSMAN begged to A i,. ashen I :Ftbs neat of the soda of the hes. amoebae fa &Ohm : Dbres/i) Was defeated ea the 12th iestear, be sees, as aa asesudieest, that the isquiry ezteed to essinieseical se well es esker eateries." (Brae beer.) FenTRADI.-111r. HUM * gave soda Ad he would, ea to morrow torreakt, meth a resoled= to te. east that it wee the *aka sfi the hoses that all 'minter sow sub jected to endows duty should be admitted duty feta, so that the importatiee at ialautheuriog . produce night be placed on equal footing with that of ',mutters]. AUSTRALIAN COLONIES. Sir W. molifsilciiiisiii;iii:E;der Secretary of State for the Colonies with regard to en order issued by the Govi.rnot of South Australia, directing the publication of certain resolution with regard to the new tionstitutioo of that coney, mad which were to be proposed at the next tontine of the Legislative Coss& These resolutions were to the effect ; Mist the breed yarthreet doer ware epee tbs pens sig: derella = heal eref ia L sad how swy earn the rpo. the aiseld relberat e =l eleatalty etre Prior I 'Detre her el the behlreeo sheer as ✓ah se prier memile Or at the maw gamey, ead heft at apreessit aad two themera a. whet di Yr prang the tam eiretres naMes era et ths esierear road at ere h• ars tar IL UM re Weald vie sherd wit pews the of dballsolog tow eardoeld aseserse. Ihr thin be TO =tgwrinwese. lhat the dell he named ea u the re here weereal. nose the iambi p. 11111•11111 AMU bre atidiabreed Mr the were hods et re rimy. Mist spersta • federal mita d the Autralisa ears tri. As sane W ass. tesolutims woad lied to • enstitntion lisatio•l prbolph with that while\ he (Sir William Mole* Inelk) repined he these winks, be asked the hon. patie nts" wkadma Bs MA smelted • copy of the reselatioas, with or y its from dr ioniser, emplaning why they have bees published itt an offleiil fors, and whether copies of all information ois this sabjest will be viand in the herds of members Wore the next dietitian of the Australian Colo nies Bill ? ---- - Mr. HAWES stated is reply that es Saturday last copies were received is form of a public despatch; aad as re prded the resolutions referred to, hi Right say that they were littenoed to be moved in a futon noolag of oonscil; bat whether they would be received or sot, be mid set then say. There would be no objection whatever to the public:vim of the moieties', which wee" the 'mastics of • private pesos, mid with which the govermaest had had nothing whatever to de. (Hear, kw.) THE ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION. Si, E. N. HUN TON beged to ask the noble lord at the had of the reverminent it it_ were his intention to take up the gamiest of the Eeekelestical Commission ea as early clef ;2B .:, that day week ? J. RUSSELL stated. la reply, that there wire three Tay important masters whisk task prceedence of all other Instate, as had been iatiaated by him previous to the re am; and he thought it most desirable that their course should not be laterrapted. The Stamp Hill was smother natter that misfired aa early aid prompt mange:neat, and therefore he feared the bouts would act be able to enter on the consideration of the E.clesiestical Comaiasioa Bill on Monday. If forced to name a day be would state that Mcaday, the 22nd tut wield be that on which it was meet lttely they would take up the measure. (Hear, hear.) However, math would &spout oa the time takes by the nessares that preceded is. NAVAL ASSISTANT-SURGEONS. On the question that tbhoUe resole, teal! into a com mittee of suppler, Captain BOLDER° said that Issatedistely before the Easter recut he pa* notice of a statics in reference to the assistimit gurus of her Majesty's navy. Sines uses he had bees entrusted with petitions hem various parts ef the em pire —from Hereford, the Royal College of Edinbarsh, from King's College, Landoll, from Gay's Hoeplul, from Chariag mose Hespitek from Stockport, and several other plisses, praying that the maistant.surgeoss of the navy be takes from the cockpit, sad accommodated in the gearoem or ether cabin, sad treated with similar respect to the moistest ear gems is the army. (Hear, hear.) His object was to have • fair and full and impartial oonsideratios of the case of thee path me., while% he endeavoured to lay before the ttPte sues facto committed with it, as would guide them to the wisest and best traclusicat ; and then it would be for the house to decide if each a state of things should be permitted to medals.. It would be sees by the petitions from the various UMlTOTatiall interested in the educatios of niedieel youth, and from the large and impatient hospitels laLudos and elsewhere that the faculty were determiaed to submit to Rub treatment no looser; sad Hashed why—ha would say because a uniform re d navies neglect had bees (I'l'towards them. (Hear, Lear) The tut wu they i: flitted ma the assistair-surguas of the aavy as Walt, in iajury, and an iajastice, commut upon which it was not necessary for him to make. Ha 'mud that as far back a. INS it mil . tratemplated . that the assistant-ingpmef the navy Mould be essiallated Is every respect to ebom Of Hie army ; but from that time to ISIS fie step of is bad been taken towards that amelierie tion of their amaditice. la 1819, the reigning Sovereign ap pointed a emmission to Muir* into the navy sad army ex penditure, mid the report of that ecamisnion—compesod of some of the meet distinguished *km in the as that the medial °Nam of the navy should be mandated ia emit and pay to those of the army, whisk recommended* rose ordered by the Hoses in onnal to be carried late amt. Now, he asked the right ho u ns man opposite maseted with the Admiralty the order of her Majesty in council had sot been wet ? (Hese, hear.) dad anything occurred between ISIS and BO to militate against them ? Nothfug whatever. The committee appointed in 1847 to inquire into the expenses of the army and navy made • report, In which they alluded to the fact, that the emi•tant-eargeon in the navy wag plated in a grade inferior to the assistaat-surgeon fa the army both as regarded his position and rate of pay. (Hear, bear.) The report also went on to observe on the fact, thst molt bad the effect of depriving the navy of qualified ggeeoonas and the difficulty of obtaining them. The Admiral ty _ finding each to be the case, and wishing to remove the ilia - malty, wrote to Edinburgh, sad offered to part with that portion of their patronage width applied to naval medical appointments in the sesimat-= deportment, and which they oared to the of Edinburgh. Notwithstanding that, /sr the diet yam that followed theta were no applications for appeiatmem, mil in the second year there was one only ; Mom the psis** bad resolved, and the college parsed twist*" to the effect not to avail itself of the privilege cared it mks; al l the assistant-surrema were allowed to rem** a hiss po skim on baud ship. (Hear, bear.) Is 1848 there was no application for an at pastas* ; and even it they bad appli cations at present they were not from the best qualified, be. cause the elite of the prat'. nit a would not under the einem stances sater the profession. (Hoar, boar.) In all other profession, they hod abundance if candidates; sad that fact suggested two important consideration. The $M was, In case of war armies the distraction from the new mode of warfare, sad from the imam* implemoats used is action, would be very great of life sad limb; sad, onus quality ;key should have accomplished ssrgeess. (Hear, hear.) Secondly, la these " piping time M peace," when they had only a few mewls afloat, the supply of eon** was soMing emapseed with what it would be la tits event of war ; and they meld mot send about p.mgam ge to the various masses sad Impress the mils* mndeato whether they willed it er not. (Hear, hear.) Therefore, in sash em event they would be essatielled to take warmallial men. If they leek* sense the Atdustie they wassail Sad • diatom* SW* a AMID_ * previa last the beersak e pi pullidolll WO yeaqr 'enthrals Ice tMim *equal ability sad statics In life, mad t every way to the perfermsee of sumtleal epe,a ter d o om , entere d s. waif , mod the other the navy, ens being tom. meta , da d the Wm, weight say, safervesale se fez. The you* me who joined the army was received by the officers of the mess, and emj .yed all the social thrittorts at • do mestic ma. (Hoar, mar.) The bunch room yes his castle, sad be bad ;Amity of leisure and ow-dually for dandyism sad raising himself is his probasion ca which elm** his ulterior prosperity depeatled. (Hear, bear.) Os the other head, the navy maistant- mime OM toyed:log himself to the eoptala was resolved with the mama some y, but was turned lam the cockpit, where his impeder Wahl be bays thirtami yeses et spa He Min la a ha* mink co eft be performed his Wads* to the preseass of ►ape; he had so separate *shin to Mies to Mal we germ* to wait apes him, sad he bed M opmerraelepx4= ha preherimall Maas. Hai* Um pima the thereglitiel and the Serer were preveated hem eking is their pearides, sad the Imre the moral weee the stream was the sear ef degearreM It rear be brae Is wind that thk was • proledat k whir art and *dear were armory, by the sombreros et whisk O w arise be reserved from *bet • What wee a cockpit ? A seriph la _ • ship, wheys the sea nem IS "' ' ' ....... , t lived la ea Japan auscepheme. Who err study la the midst r ..• .. proper pealtisa for • . te a , la • • is sash a midair._ .t riaa ' . 1 .•... petisel laterreptiess, Mirk Ilesser—ea in arty. This lathe kis spirit, destreyed his milmsper sad setherealdeast. took away all stimulus te eseedes. sad led seller spirts se leave the series .es the LA HAr mosabere mart eall this a petty griereem age Tt4 he NSA • prey 'draftee if a der. 0 water erre to 11.21 th s e= e a i lar ig =i l lus b. l .4 a Q sl were he at g tea hers that Mr. Hirehret eat la :Mt Aar, die osamosase would betadief.",o Ii• hid se her Ile lad with ro te My; jolt the soak was a perset mockery. By arkesat mem le ask with lieute nastagertras.• • , and with isMakelnienle of math's' ; bat Wilk a d as.Meatsrst of radme mit asebeakiag west into the weed-rest, the soolimmewmpsia lime Into 0 ill cork-pit. The two mss of equal 'irk Mee 'pima in li totally darer maiden. There were rug otter Mats whisk he.. migkt ham brought Melo& but he did ass wish to Astra the hers. He keret km had oaki rarer le poem tats gross Wades wee tier te the deb 'naval ilemins biro poem* dreagorame. It wee aft tin ammo tithe SW he alvere4 are that 7:ll l =aa r vil eerie,. He was net osßriMd with au sasistaatsurgeoas; Fe had had as mmeessiserm with ere r them ; bat he bid bees lei ft Meg the salgest for mal by pre sad ressisadom bob. ; ark above ell, by r e eakeasded admiration Ise thr marl .rule* ei Gnat Britain. Admiral DIINDAS said the hon. and gallant member bad stated that Mere were no candidates fur the ores of =leant surgeon. Now in the lam two peen there bad been 178 age pllestione, and at that moment there wee • 1114 of 268, on halt pay 23, candidates eligible and is waiting 39. Oaly 11 bad Win takes sines Marta last. The statement that there were no esadadates set therefore fall to the grouad. Sines the increue d the pay there had been no Mirky is obtaining esadidates. Hu hr. sad gallant Mead wee sot j added in spethieg disperagingly of the naval surgeon ; they were, he behaved. as a batty, u well qualified el *NO of the arm . Ware the haat tars years an order had horn the Admiralty, to the art that la every ship above a slush rate, there should be • cable of twice the ire of other cabins, for the susulmadaties of metes, arietaateu gemn, and rand Were. its emelt say that he thought prewar of the urgers tested greatly as keep the aoudad et the young men esenet. limy of these with Mt , m he had thee aesociated ea a boy bad cautioned his firm Meads, tad it appear to him meet desirable that the older should ars•ciate with the yowler. As regarded the amity or the ward rooms, he might steatisaret she ward-room of the Qum was twentreis ism leap by twisty breed, sod that than were twenty-two groom 1 coastaatly there. He maw no rear foe the pro. poetd alteration. He wee certain that the general feel. lug of the navy wee sot in favour of it. Net that he supposed for a resent that the other Akers of the navy wen update the assistant armor ; bathe believed that the beet seems@ whisk tikii navy had at prier were those who lied been brought up in the cockpit. Mr. HUMS felt obliged to the hon. and pliant member for barging forward inc subjeet. There might be Nadi• dates enough for the elite of aseistaat-surgeon, but the question wee whether the navy was net entitled to have r able sees em the army. No medlar men who sour obtain • situation in the army would ever go to tre navy Osly those who Gild elsewhere had recourse to the naval service, and therefore the navy wee in an inferior positim. As re garded the alleged want of room, eight or tea years ego Sir George Cockburn gave the same answer, and sire that time airy additional persons had been admitted. A peeresses ought not to be given to a man who understood the me chisere of steam engines over one who was familiar with the anatomy of the human frame. As re panted the number of gaol fled candid/am if the ',anent admiral referred to Sir William Surnet's *admits he would find him stating that be had no su:h candidates for the earl service es he wished to have. Hs afterwards required addi tional qua &lase. The noose then divided— ._ For going tato committee Agatha it Oa the 11111eadrint being put, Admiral BERKELEY said he was awry that he had not risen at an earlier period is the debate. No was had a greater desire than Mahlon to we the anistant-surposs k the they in the leaden which they deserved to omen ; bct he thought it weak not be ler their own good as mem in the ward room of a Ike of battle ship, and he was mks fd opinion that it would be a Feat bar to the dieriplith of the envier, if, oa their arse entering, they were alleged he men with ,a higher this of officers. The warrant effieme could onl y afford the provisions allowed by tie wow meat; and, essesquently, they had no seem plus but their own sabias. Would the maistast-surgeons like to mew with themselves, net anxieties with any one else ? The gallant officer had compared amistant eargeoas with lieutenants of marines. Many young men, ga entering the tarps of Royal Marines, not hams thinnest assistaaes frogs their Meade, were obliged to borrow the amount requisite for their Galli! ; and, through colas into Ike ermine* werdroom to mese, perhaps they never rem- Med, and eemenithatly were °blind to leave the sonic, Wader a stigma. He ventured to say that no assistant-ear pea, as entering the service, received one farthing from Ids Mewls foe his oaths, sad if ponies in that station were ha ails ward-room is many caws debts would b, iisuned instead a being paid. It might be said that the you' midshipmea were only skylarking bor, cud were, therefore. wont associates for surgeons. Oenerany spooking. they had been educated at the best eradanies— such se atom and Mathew, sad he should lake to know in what social respect the rev. -- meths were their supe riors. He veatand to entered the - - with my that they enter.- navy seareely any advantage but their education as enigmas. Why did not the ga ll ant ofiker propose this rwolution at the period when he was himself a member of the government ? Capt. BOLDERO observed that he had been asked why Ise had not brought the question forward when Le was • member of her Mejesn's government. If ha had bees ia the Admiralty he should have used every of rt to get the Mate of Wags remedied. He did not suppose then was a zdai distimeties between the assistaat magenta mad the Si, MARINO said that he wss sot prepared to divide the helms sofa on the subject. It was the statement of gentlemen eassected with the lava' MITYIOII that there were peastisel difikulties as regerd.d accommodation. A commis sion was appointed to inquire lap the matters upon which them was hardship tattling the assistant surgeons, end the commissiouen stated, upon full consideration, that they found then were practical difficulties in the way of making any arrangement. They said, that the meammerkatisa afforded of late years had been so improved as tel mar Bre removal lass armada then it might have been, sad thew' fere they were sot to make say recommendaties. ' This was the of • commissiou of distinguished ollints. It was impossible to give more accommodadas than actually talked, and therefore he did not think that the admiralty could accede to the expectations of the has. and gallant Hr. HUME said that thou' sumbets who had not beard of the commiesies of 1840 ought to be informed that the sammimissm had recommended various alterations and improvements ia the aocommodatios of the medical tatters, but they could not reonaniend that which was sought for. The resolution was then agreed to. REPRISALS. _ Oa the question that the iiitteier do now leave the chair, Mr. ANSTBY sailed the attention of the house to the illegality of repdmak when nude by officers of her Maksety's navy without aim withority of en order in council. There had bees had on the table of the bows • taw book soneelaba the oorresondence between the government at lens sad their representative In Greece, end repementadwee of the Cheek government, on the subject of the eine widsh were urged es the aJwn of Omen. He did net appreamh the mistiest M a spirit hostile to the pool. lien aka - by the &Monte, or that taken on their behalf by the goverment. On the contrary, he was bound to say, thot he thought that goverment would not have acted rightly Nit had not taken upon itself the claims of time parties, and done its utmost to obtain the requisite redress; but what he complained of was the informality of the procedure. Hs found a letter dated the 30th of N ovember, 1849, addressed by the sable had the Secretary f.r Foreign Affairs to the Lori of the Admiralty, to Admiral Parker, end Mr. Wpe, he ebb* these gentiemes were informed that the noble lira wee wen model by the Queen to give the requisite isstreetions M be desto Admairal Parker for placing kimaitis esothathes dem with Mr. Wyse on the subject of theme Athos, end that if the requisite satidecion were not given, that thew, after concert with Mr. Wyse, Sir W. Parker was to have rowans to such seaman as he might think best -'salad to obtsia the required satisfaction. It apparel own this Icier, the only document which contained my instructions epos the subject, that her Meissfy had been advised to part with her usual powegetive in favour of Admiral Parker, with no other resetielies thee that he should swell Mr. Wyse in the tiniest IL This prerogative weld only exentimed by he Majesty rWi and the Privy Cowen. It might be wit theithess were mere forms where her Majesty's nemmande Me de. to d by the Secretary of State, or the Privy OVlrlat the question wee, whether the constitutiowl ref , former days wee to be adhered to or departed , whether it woo es be left to • saga men, the Semetery of Stets for ForeignAffeirs, to plunge this country into war with the ether powers of Beni* ; because before the esseest of the Privy Cowell weld ,e given to the going earth of the proolueslion, the privy council must have emembird and commlied, whether or not all pacific mess had berm exhaested ; whether the lung-satablished forme of notional laterowne had berm Owned ; end whether the ismirectione to the British Admiral had bees Ist Unless war was &lewdly raging, no misfits, of state, sot eves the Lord High Admiral himself, could au thorise a single set of violence. There was bat one authori'y who could mastics that, her Miejery in cowed. These were the wens provided by law for preventing a minister impru dently involving his aunty in a war with flaw powers. When questions of this kind had come before the courts, there had always bees the tome anxiety shown by the /edges to see that the forms were Waned; to see that sol diers and scenes had not dose sets which might reader them liable to be desk with as Wadies and pirates. The penalty was not bens by the minister, who, having no warrant., gave dieepley, bet by the unfortunate instruments. Re had no heihmiles is saying that if Admiral Parker returned to this emery, the Greek merchants whose goods red chips hei bees mind 'Met instructions resolved from W se*, mil lard, net warna by the r e la mann sr =lseder the mi nd en mei. might newer heavy e Whoa la vein Ow nemeses of a Miler eiss- , lieentaseirring banal the last 10 or 110 yens. He frail Mat laprepaid= as the ell ashen* of Mplantants hid 1.4 11114 it t They • 111. 40/ et le t ' l4 e t tlg ibi ate ma. ten ghe meat hen a reqsest eneastiZl of Inee, 2reir li t h r thi frest is Wee imitenem sea *lmplies's sot lay Oa Ls ening the date el abs me es the dates was datii is dags_wie as ell as the EA of No mestrir. 1 , and Ira — 41V11611111 - 11ea lona -O kayed: So Mead Ism, ISM, whoa W Greek govennen metered in a Wheel Tye ether stains wen ea aid es. 1011, sad 10 saw anima re. " he ' r o r io U rni M at "lb' aft BROM dor rots duo re- M ' let N . There was mmether dem 1040, BM nee. melaitat tirkihree kfir years hatless the het essmalmitien ea ear side:sad the last disekl on the side of the Greek...end notnintraf *me. • Whist right had aeybody to Pi SW die Greek gomenserat would be M 4" 11,4 0 eleilf• Ifni in WM, An it Isni ben at 1. 7 IMO Aim ISO, dialog which tne it ata *ale Mee the WWII he of the noble lord, but she his preinsmer ? WU nen *sir M Omsk to- Tenant to deprive them is/ the old asestitadesal method. He woult sorely add is eanalusin. his hole Ali in this matter the ad ensiltutiestal spent if Fled would aot be laid on* Lord PALMERSTON had se implant to make of the mann in whisk the hon. Oa Willa/ member had brass* this strictly legal qamiisa huts the hose, halal en& rated it entirely ben inpalmpol is panel Ammer, and mated his *aim pnisetly legal sad ornaktiticeal terms. He anti Pakeerners) bad bees advised by the legal 'dithers el the that se eider is email was for •ffeethig Me Meat of dennim a. = pending far Nana near ipilieveaketennsede that if it helms neereasey p • enspinener, and to ear dean eall, esalimete, sad sell sash van* dreir ai r = or rnig esprisah, as order in .smash vial be to establish a ocemainen for the Bat be Wd spa the advise take bei Idea gives ro I S bang himself 'mined that that adds, was send, sessmed that to the perms of oddst lei detainee mesh with a view to evened proeMlaet, It wee manna that an War tress the dsgerinen remsgaible to W soma should be seat to the - Admiralty far no purpose of being nears trommitted to the diner whose duty it was to Garry it late sescution. He could memo the bee. sad teamed meaner that Ise was Washes la suppenem that if these numm nand, as he traded nay wiedd e Wl* a satistastory result, sad that the mesh should be relearml without the usessOty of _ember tioa or Gals the peens to whoa they beamed would ham my iitiod ground of legal proesnieg is the everts of law I. this wintry, simian the anal amen employed . He (Lord Nimmons) was advised, and he was emended of the soundoess of the advice, that the diner would be hell harmless, by slowing that he had sated as a anal sae is the emend*. of orders be had received from semis& authority. It had been laid down in the case of Catt. Damn, as a principle of NG stitatiosal law, that a ft ers, whether naval or military, were bond to obey orders, and that it was eel- Scant for their eamilpatioN, to show either that their acts had malted keel orders previously received frets the crown, or were ratemnently approved of by the depart eat h aving mann. of snelt matters. HUMS wished to luso+ if there was any prospect of these dill/mere being smiled ? Lord PALM ERSTON said the last amounts be had re ceived from Grocer stated thee Baron Oros, who had been em ployed by the French government as the organ of Funk good tans, was at Athens, and was employed in investiga. dog the matters In dispute. No result bad as yet taken plan ; indeed it was scarcely possible geeing the short. tine that had elapsed that say di duet malt could have been oome to, or any iolormatioa received. no house then reeolved itself into commitue of supply, Mr. Bernal la the chair. ORDNANCE ESTIMATES. Colonel ANSON said it was cow his duty to bring ender the winidoreties of the haw the estineatos tor the service of the evanesce aseartment for the present year. He promised to eseaprees hie observations late the smiled pantile cos pus, but he hoped for as ladalgence commensurate with the importance of the subject. Oa former occasions similar to the Feint it had been made the subject of comoleint that ft is stateliest' in the 'etiolates were so vague, and incongruous items were iso mixed up together that it was impossible for members so to frame their ques tions as to obtain anything like swiefutory istormation. He was happy to my that stash ground of complaint no longer existed. The estimates had been submitted to a select corn ; ulnae of the Ague, which otwasaittee bad published an all and voluminous report, end how memben who should have the courage to dive into that report would pin information sufficient to nable them so to frame their questioas so to elicit full and satisfactory "sewers. The house would remember the ciraunstanese under whisk that annuities was ap pointed in 1848. A reverse had some over the affairs of this wintry. We had fable from a Mate of very high prosperity to one of considerable depreseion; the natiosal expenditure had larply 'screamed, and its finsacisl renottress had as greatly diminished. Retrenchment then became abooletely neelesaty, and the "osmium woo appointed to inquire whore and how it could be effected. He felt that under all the ciranastanees, governmeat had been justified is cowmang to the appintmeat of that committee, which was most closely and laWriosaly Weeded by all the mem ben. The result was now Wore the bowie. sad with re krento to the umenniendations of the ariamittee as Om affected the ordnance, it was his intention to refer particu larly sad specially to them fa cease:ion with each separate head as he brined it fer word. The whole moult required for the service of the ordnance department for the year 1860 was Z 434,4171., sad foe the year 1849 had been 2,632,6011., showing a diminution In the present year of 196,1841., but the fairer way would be to compare it with the year 1848, when the estimates wen 2,992,1431., been in excess over the invent year 637,7761. lie thought also that the house should be reminded of the mother in which the estimates had been ineressieg slope 1844, the amount of increue for four years ending in 1848, being no leas than 990,1871. in the annual amount. This would seem a formidable amount, but the blame did not lie wholly either with the lets or the present government, but must be participated la by the house, whose members had been coestaetly collies epee the executive to strengthen the defenses of the wintry. Not only naval sad military men, but independent members of parliament, had been coestantly calling on the govern. ment to increase the form—to strengthen the dockyards and seaports; and it was easspliance with those requisitions that bad so much inersesed the estimates during the lent four years. lie was happy, however, to say that many of the °blotto then contemplated had been accomp.ished, and would no longer contribute to swell the esti mates. There had been an increase of 4,200 men, one battalion to the engineers , end 48 officers, an d 910 men in the sappers sad minas, making altogether an increase since 1845 of sheet 6,000 men. He would proceed to notice the resommendatioas of the committee with reference to their separate heads. The Sect neon. standation was with respect to the division of the service, and that renteisamed sties tea gnat extent had been attended to. The been woad awl that the services described under votes 4,6, and 7 had been separated as regarded at home and abned. In the first vote, that foe the ordnance military corps, it was resommeaded by the 00•116 atom that for the future the number of m en should be voted, and therefore he proposed to place a 70.0 1 .1111011 in the hands of the chairman stating the number of men, the same as in the navy. The unmet of the ant ve.te for the pay of the oedema military carps, allowances sad eselingintiek would be: Oaken and men, 14,669; am out In mousy, 712,7651., being an incrow, as ensnared with lest year, of 8601., and of 446 In men. But in that ate ether were included 416 mappers and minims, who wen employed and paid on the Gunn, but being on the stria gth of the corps, he thought they Would appear in the emernats. There was • farther addition to the number of 31 and 20 second lieutenants had also been added to the estabilehment. Seven had been added to the horse MWery, five to the field department, and two in the meth al department. Tits committee had recommended that there should be no inerease in the ordnance without the sanction of government. Here was •slight increase, bet for the future the noomosendation of the committee would be adhered to. A diminution would be found ander the head el nernifift, and an increase under that of ellewszose ; bet that sreraaallted from an alteration In anengentens. The whole result of the altention he had mentioned was an laciness is the vote of 8601., as compared with the vote of hat year. The next recommended= of the Potentiate was that the medical department of the ordnance should be 0311* adidatell via that of the army, by which • saving would be Amsted is the absiltion of the office of InspesterHeneral. This had been doss to a aerials eaten; the edam of impector-geetral had been abolished, end the dna:Meat wee new es as reduced a sale as the • ealgessim of the service weed admit of. With respect to the senora question of ansalisenatioe, many stress elioniess bad bees urged, but the question was seder the ansideratlea of the at War, and when that hoedown had teemed asepiaera,. he would no doubt isseive every assistant* sad sempentlea from the noble land who presided over the ordain* a Vr The next recommendation referred to the of the sappers In colonial surveys which point was mew geadderatiaa. The last neon mends% on was that shoat be made to the tree. eery, previous to the els WI% Mid* was else wader cessideration. The vete ter esmesheedet apply, Maladies great coats for the army, as., was 273,111171., that of last year being 601,6602, and showing • of 27.8131. This diminution arose principally In the of tongs, which had coat 16,0001. less than hot year. was • diminu tion of 6,4621. in barrack supplies, and she • diminution in the article of great crate, bat W whole reductioo was as he had stated. With reepeet to this Wit• the committee *Mooted to the mob el supplying the mewin Inland, but ao alters Vim bed bee. made, ear did he Hudak it would be expedient. The moserarte this was, that lugs reductions had been made hs the eitaVklismat of the ecemnimarlat, and, besides that, eta Issettea of the essmhearlat was to be brought under the oloiderages of the trommittee at present sitting en rate end erall•NO eaalre. The nut vote was fee the 'aeries et the GOMM SO tbo Tower sad Pall-mall. Last year the ma salmi der Imam WI bead was 86,9004 ; now it was 86,9611., ebowfvet en hostswe Of 1,0611. He regretted that this lememe l'oct mien, but be thought he should be eble to satiety the b nee that It bad not been Wearied with did Pare Mud navies_ lowa gold to moacoty. The c ad fleek_f•lOMMWA, foe 1648 he this department, had bees WOK I. fer Cs moat year it nes 86,9611., showing • &- Imam*, as emspared with 1110, ef WU. The Mamma et** estimate ever lest year was eseedesed by an outlay in the eareelevonenre AN end else Mee CAW A et. a bet then; we.. f le it, sad there win._ it the wet l a Ilrequired thee fpg eameidingin. Stiff, the isi zemmeade l N. bad ben sidled NFU as a p me peel doable. The stese.hettse eammias's elan bed boon fen arwednd the etereekeepre wen an plain seder the is. please existed at Woolerielt. linen resonmeendeties falba Amennittee Mg internee to the dies of the 8 pad kite be wee keep, to say that as two silielibed bees anted, hem widde the key adee, se for as the mode of neglecting wee eese, were likely to he nand. With neon .lil the mean of keens the atoroasemaate, the segnl>lle. conned thanks going!' wee impagen an nen mended is erbersinge. The next Mlle eemmellmee bed niseseei to the learnt of , 1r54dt . 124 b.ea.du le the knee mean, bet, es the dacha leareeen e and se Nene wen throws ea **department 1$ ores then** intesemp anew that warren. 8811 it bad ben bpi nide - awn from 1828 to the present Um*, The men renneniaties. bed referent to the divine of the wn ben admen diem n the To and Pell nil, tbe oommittes nog of *ak e a that the t system eon aimed a gnat lees of time to the sad esesiderable disedvantep to the FOAL T:iieele se ema andel le, ow alt.- ratios la accordant with the having ben effected. He thought the lest renew et the eommittee—that in which they left (either altagenee to be made by the Fent woe dictated by alit of sound wisdom. r.) The next Tote might appear rather lap, but mast be recollsotod that it took a midi range, and @Manual the establishments of the Milted Kingdom and the 'denim It 'messiest from page 17 to pigs 45; and, when the weber of oar establishments wee considered, be did not think it meld be looked spa me a wry % vars. was For the you r 1860.6 11840-6. the eam of remind ; fo o, it hod been 316,11471.; showing animation is Shipment year of 11,6471. The einueltne had made various reseramendations wick Moreno toe reduction of the anent of artificers in the Canna. and elsewhere, end alter can consideration, Si.. of these recommendations had bone effected. Is the ordnance department, for humus* one establish ment had bees materially reduced. Tires stations hod bon radioed is Canada. There had been also some alterations made .in the atorekoepen and deputy storekeepers, oven of the deputy storekeepers having been reduced in the course of the year, The number of establish. meets, too, bed been ranee' is the following miner—in the year 1828 there were 98 establishments; in the year 1849, 92 ; and in the year 1840. 88. The number of barrack tauten _and barrack establishments had also undergone some reduction, and Hien were en anises other torrid. which would be gives up in the cones of the ensuing year. (Heir.) The next vote was for wages. La the present year 129,0001. was required for this purpose; in the bud year the vote was 141,0001., showing a diminution now of upwards of 12,0001. Compared with the vote of 1848, the reduction now was 29,6461. The committee had recom nseni.ed that the number of artificers at Woolwich should be fixed according to the wants of the service in times of peace. (Hear, heir.) This recommendation had been attended to: sad no increase would be made without the proper sane. the. The next vote was OM of wry great importance. It was a vote for ordnance stores for land and sea intakes. The amount proposed was 211,6311. ; last year it was 223,4181. ; showing a decresee of 11,7871. In the year 1848.9 st was 602,4861. ; therefore there was a diminution now, se sees pared with 1848, of 290,9641. The committee bad man mended that the quantity of Mores to be kept on hand should be ad .ptsd more to the service in times of peace, and every exertion had been made to enable the de fi nite proportions to be required for future service to be arrived at. In August instructions had been sent to every establishment at home and abroad to send immediate returns of the state of their stores, distinguishing those serviceable and unser viceable, and from the home stations then returns had been obtaiced. The manner in which these stores would be dimmed of would hereafter form the subject matter of con. eideration, because there was very little doubt that useless and obsolete stores were in many eases on head. The next vote to which he had to call attention was the vote for works, buildings, and repairs at home and abroad This was a very important vote, and one on which hon. members were apt to form an opinion, perhaps, without giving it that deep con sideration which he thought it required. The amount asked for this year for repairs, building., and fortifications was 440,0001 Last year it was 4864721., aid in the year 1848, the sum demanded was 617,4821. This estimate had been most carefully considered by the Master-General and by her Majesty's government. The hone would see hew small • sum was now asked for new works and fortifications either at home or abroad. But these reduction; were in consequence of a larger amount having been expended in previous years. It was needless for him to point out the very low state, the state of decradation in which their works of define bad been in the last few years They were totally inadequate for the protection of our none from aggression. This was so especially in the year 1846, and frequent complaints were made to govern ment that they bad not sufficiently provided in this respect. He had looked carefully through the works in our reneges nonillions, and also at home, end he did not think that the expenditure had been ill-advised. With regard to the works at Corfu and the lonian Islands, a small sum had been taken for the works at Corfu this year. The only sum asked for was for the completion of the bomb-proof barracks within the citadel. With respect to the works at the Mauritius, that subject also had been well considered, and they were waiting till fresh plans should be sent over from that island, and also • report from the governor and the engineer as to the 'mustily for the works. This year the only sum asked for was for the completion of the works at Psrt Louis. Another recommen dation of the committee was with respect to Bermuda. The committee stated that there was a conflict of opinion, and they recommended that before another vote was asked on account of the proposed outlay of 60,0001. the goverem-nt should reconsider the necessity of this expenditure, and de ntine the plan to be adopted. In the course of the works losproventen's were made, and this was one of the conse queens of spreading the expenditure over a merles of years, bat he thought it desirable, and the government had cone to the conclusion that what was required at Bermuda should be reconsidered. The oily vote that was asked for was for the completion of the naval storehouse in that island. 3,0001. was asked for that this year. The next vote to which be should call attention was for what was called the shim tifie branch, and in this there was an increase of 3,9441. Lauyear the sum demanded was 94,8691. This increase arose from a large amount beteg required for the survey. Of late years they bad taken 60,0001 an nually for the survey. The committee in their report recommended that the survey of the large towns should be accomplished as qullly as possible ' • and us • large por tion of the survey was prepared, and they had not force enough to go on with the engraving, it had been submitted to the government whether 6,0001. might not be taken this year to accelerate the engravings of large tuns. The large towns were surveyed on • scale of five feet to the mile, and, if they could have the surveys engraved, they would he valuable for such sanitary and other improvements as might be brought forward. 2,0001. was also taken for the comple tion of the publication of the trigonometrical survey 01 Oreat Britain and Ireland. Altogether that would be an increase of 7,0001. on the am wit for the survey last year. He wished to mention also that strong mprematatiots bed come from Edinburgh, that the survei orthat country should he rro oseded with before that of other parts of Scotland, and that would be done. The remainder of the vote was for the Royal Academy established at Canbalton, and for the establishment at Chatham also there war a small increase. The next vote was for the non-effective service, in whi-h there wee an inereau of 6,8771, the sum re quired • being 177,6061, against 171,6294 demanded last year. All these charges were in accordance, with the regulations of the service, and might be termed fixed charge. He had now gone through the various items, and he asked the house to give its assent to then, not be cause there was a decrease of 198,0001, but because they had received the serious attention of government, and be cause they had been framed solely with the view of having an Aetna week s The hon. and gallant colonel concluded by moving that a Dumber, not exceeding 14,660 men, including nen-ceeamimioned officon, be allowed for the see I ides of the ordains* department in the ensuing year. Mr. HUME said the house perhaps might not be aware that this department was called upon by two see vlees—the pray and the navy—to provide certain stores, and they provided those stores not on their own judgment, but to a certain extent they wen mere executive officers. He considered that the respemaditi was with the government, because on the timinint of dte nay and the navy depended the amount of NOM Ilia lon was merely 'Romney, and as the house bad dateemined M newt the military eetablishineets at the peemt rate, t 4 Mei net refuse the supplies, though they might Mir as *the weds la which the supplies should he mated swi as he the mina sad the amount of stores. The gallant ellen had stand the reduction which had taken place la the last two loam, but he (Kr. Rune) did not know why that rcifto‘esid not have been made ere years before. He elewld say that they were in a worve pcoitlen to make lideelleee this year than they were live years ego—if they wen to adopt the doctrine of governs', at, that they were to have is time of peen a war establishment —a domino that he had always contended against. In time of peace they were keeping up a war establistmont, as it was eaW, hat more than was kept up in time of war. In the yen 1792 the number of men v3ted for the ordnance was 4,986; they were now going to vote 14,000. In the year 1820 they appointed a finance committee, and in that year the unsebn was 8,32 W The exper.ues had increased la 1828 it was 471,000 J, the come ratio. In 1791 the whole impoo t o was 167,00 W 111 ...a now it v: as 7 11,0004 In the whole French war they had never n on t h an 10 b a tt a lions ; hut there wee an ic c r han last 70 , 4, for what rearm no one knee inept it was to make more eillsen, and they had now 12 battalions. It was foe the Gauntry to decide, mad no doubt the country would disable before long, what wa s the prope r amens% to be allowed foe these establishments. What did the banana departnatal lay before the committee? They said they had to provide stone for 186,891 mw. Whet me timit7_waa thus for keeping the fern? It was a easeasm Ora Inullanell. Daring the lest thirty lean they had beta puomete elillsatioa, sad dim bees beentsiag now say raved= to bemuse ft was melees. Bit web, of the naaiber bs freed 111101). He hid so ob. aired, if they redeeed the f.- ma Is arias Wiest of *Howls. for oar esiesise; Wombs were plan my Weeps tiny woad pay Ihr that gevefaseaut algid tha roma vet lee dbwowet with hwirei. of au. ow totem, sod them wild at Md soli be did sot objet to an _ irike pibile, he V the 0,4111118110 without de- TM roes eiseiblitAimM — Th• ma of MAR wh Wag Is lumpish the as of 747561., foe pay, allirrobses Mad settingearies tor 14.1111 slam, sea conunheismed diem and men. Elie ram of 173.8371. tapir the am of 273,8371. for cemeibeeleat and barrack b e proposed, Bk _NUMB seueoleined • th e engem& of them beast madeliehmente. Vats agreed du. Tie eta of 66,981 L to ammishe the Tom for the earls mid imellogeselso of the ordnemes 'llse wee, Mimi a mom& 11 lir. Hams add Od. Ann somp a •Mkg ism 155;_ e ala t ti. PIMA complete the vats toe at bows and abroad. Mr. COBDEN said we had upwards it 110 Mane meats where oedemas Mores ware kept, then being is emit otorekeapen,deputy storekeepers, and all thesessemes sleuth astabliahments ; that was oaf et the potato M whisk dis at tention of the committee had born di:lOK sad le trappestd that a conelderald• sedation wadi hare been nude. The boa. and gallant gentleman laid that a reduc tion had been made to the =tont of fear. He observed that Harwich was still Maimed. Now, he thought that eight others might bar reasonably dispensed with, ransidvring the nay mesas of supplying motes to the United Kingdom. He thought the hoe. gentleman had not carried out the wiith of tla committee by merely reducing four establish ments. Colonel ANSON did not mean to my that that completed the reductions. Oa the contrary, further reductions were in oontemplation. Col. CHATTERTON complained that the charges for re pairing small damages done by the soldiers were most unjust. Another complaint was the bed quality of the glom, which was bought at the lowest possible price. These charges were molt abominable and iniquitous. Colonel ANSON said the language of the hon. and gallant gentleman was rather strong ; bat the feet wag, he spoke krofessionelly, as hav:ng the command of a regiment, and nowing that Mess charges were frequently made. But the House of Commons mast remember that the public needed some protection. Colonel CHATTERTON also complained of the charge for washing sheets, and said that the soap wag very much overcharged._ Mr. HUMH asked if arrangements were in progress for malting the colonies pay the expenses of their own banacks. He would withdraw all the troops from the garrisons unless they would maintain them, and also defray the cost of the barracks. Colossi ANSON said memenres had been taken in Aug. trails for imposiag the charge of the barrack., dto., on the colony ; and in sax months from that time, after the lit of October, the expense would fall on the colones. He was anderstood to add that something of the kind was contem plated with regard to other colonies. Mr. HUME said that all the colonies at least which were to enjoy self government en,ght to pay the expense of their own police, which the troops were in effect. Mr. COBDEN called attention to the following passage in the report of last year's oemmittee on the ordnance esti. mates: —" The large and increasing amount required for barrack accommodation is the colonies induced your cow mitten to request Earl Grey, the Secretary of State for the Colonies, to afford some information as to the practicability of any future redaction under this head. His lordship stated that, in his opinion, the colonies ought to contribute more than they have done to the expense of lodging the troops, and since he had bean in office he had lost sight of the importance of gredually obtaining from the colonies contributions towards defraying this expenditure; with this view he had now proposed that in Australia the whole charge of the barracks should be transferred to the colony." This had been done, it appeared, in Australia. He whined to know whether Lord Grey's attention had been directed to the same subject in the other color its ? Col. ANSON said, as Lord Grey ►Loa stated it to be his intention to do so, no doubt It would be carried out. The vote was then agreed to. Ths neat item was 79,0031., wages of artificer and la bourers at bonze and abroad. Mr. HUME said this was in addition to the charge for officers in another Item, and the two would arauunt to • very large sum. In 1828, the principle was laid down that no article of manufacture which could be supplied be con tract ought to be manufactured by the government. That rule bad been adhered to for a considerable time, but he leered it was sow deviated from. Colonel ANSON said it had not been devia•ed from in any respect. All the articles now made at Woolwich were such as the contractors could not eupi ly in sufficient perfec. tion ; bes - des, on the whole, the expense of manufacturing these articles was not greater than that of obtaining them by cowrie:. They knew perfectly well that gun-carriages could not be supplied in that way. They wer► not to be depended on. The cam was the same with brass guns. Mr. COBDEN• said he had paid particular attention to that point in the committee last session, and he was con. vinced that the parties examined could give no very clear idea of what was the cut of the articles manufactured. For instance, in the manufactory of gunpowder, they kept a large stock of ealtpetre and of sulphur, enough for 20 or 30 years' consumption ; they had • large establishment of Meeting machinery, a number of d aelling.houses for the superintendents cad cottages for the workpeople • but all that capital was put down as nothing. (Hear, hear.) Cal. ANSON said that • large portion of the gunpowder was supplied by contract every year. A great deal of evi dence bad been taken on the subject of the brass guns ; and he was inclined to think that this was not an article which t►er could depend on being supplied by the manufacturers. They were made of a mixture of metal, which if not properly put together, and properly amalgam►ted, might lead to fatal results. By manufacturing them themselves they were sa tisfied that the best metal was used, and that the article would be durable. Col. CHATTERTON called attention to the vote of 74,0001 for coals and mettles, while a halfpenny per day etch only was all mod to the soldiers (or these articles. He wished to know whethir any arrangement was to be made to the accommodation of soldiers• wives in barracks. Mr. 7111AULE. in answer to the i;tt;74;e7tion, said than. instructions had been given to allow mamed soldiers, with the consent of their officers, to live out of barracks with their wives, a certain sum being allo ved them per week )7 lodgings. Tn. vote was then agreed to. . - On the next vote-111,6311. for the expe4se of ordnas,.e stores for the land and pea service, Mr. HUME asked why so large a sum was proposed? Col. ANSON was understood to say that this sum was now necessary in order to bring the stores up to the required complemer.t. Mr. lIUME hoped a large store of small arm% would not be laid up, when perhaps an improved musket might render them useless next rear. Col. ANSON said this country was liable to that expense in common with all others. It was possible percuseisn acme might be superseded by some others, and then a fresh ex pense would necessarily be incurred; but the attention o: the department would he given to the matter. In sn•wer to a further question from Mr. Hume, Colon , l ANSON said it was proposed to raise the store of saltpetre to 3,500 tone. Mr. HIJME said as long as India remained to us, we could have saltpetre at any time in the course of six weeks. He protested, therefore, against the waste of keeping in hen 1 a stock sufficient for a number of years. Colonel ANSON thought the proposed stock would suffice for about five years. If the government had to purchase largely on an emergency, the price would be doubled to them. _ _ Mr. HUME contended that more wao lost by keepin such large stocks lying idle. At one time a contract had bees entered Into for 24,000 iron guns, must of which, he believed, were useless. The vote was then agreed to. The next vote was— 290,0641., the expend of works buildings, and repairs to be executed in the course of the year. Mr. HUILE pat a question about en item of 33,0004 for the barranks at Halifax, in Nova Scotia. Col. ANSON said this was the case of a tonnes main. tallied for oar own defence and convenience, and the expense cAtld net properly be thrown on the colonies. Agreed to. 78,801, expense of scientific works. Mr. WYLD asked why audit was not given in this item for the awns received from the City of London towards de east of the ordnance survey. Col. ANSON rather thought the money bad not vet been received by the department. No drubs the correct course would be to give credit for it in the way the hon. gentleman sagrested. Mr. E. DENISON called attention to the fact that the estimate for the survey of a portion of Ireland had been 30,0004, while the arrival eost had been 120.000!. The minute for the survey it Ireland was 300,0001, ; but OD a more careful examination the house would find the ex penes had indented to 768,0001., whilst it was sought at present to add an additional 120,0001. for gintouring. He regretted the committee had not been given more time to go into this question, 1111 the survey after all, when completed, would be more useful to the large and i•fluential towns than in marking out the general features of the (*wary. Now, unless the government had very strong relearns to urge on ih• pnier, he (Mr. Denison) would invite the house to a re eonaideratiOn of the Mistier, and likewise advise them not to amour is se expensive a project. Cabinet ANSON said the map of Ireland was completed on the print:elide of the town-land survey, and was at present being revieed on the field survey. Ilia sketching was the way in which heretofore altitudes were shown; but that style was supereeded by the oostowing, which was measure effective, and attended with very little more exponee. Therefore, he thought 120,0001. employed is that way west' be most asefally expended. Sir L. o.Bautri could bear testimony to the superior Immner In *hick surveys and maps had been executed in Ireland sines (Widowing was substituted for hill sketching. Ann • 081 .• eenverati•nt, the vote was agreed to. Tree srit vote of 137,6361., which, with the sum of 40 s .s previously voted as soma% anousted to 177,6364,, K;. IMILLIR, tram Num • Er N hen Whoa ; Mr. Z‘LIOTT, gen Weiss, Iletrose, el Reabargh • Mr. MI MUM, hem laymen ; I -LIMA, ills Mr. MAIITNKMAN, fres =it Mend iShZ. . TON, hen Been Sir 1 , 118hest Ih. aat i :gi sad Mr. M. OINION, En Tai labour id the POS*4O/0/4 A rr e r iali • ito:rupos.-117 Mr. W. J. FOX, 6d arest. Mr the Cerebridgethird; Kr. 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A. he mid, I /to Aft Issolly — that '''INIM 'he 'll WitotteillrWiiitillily ; liiV'etTit unsure of the' Ilepetioset Ibil tblev reoluersetsihr protegee& whist this imams is thi tax *lota be eatsiedr oat, bee SW yeas *jesting treasiog dee ether departments. In it anti *lama lawn. .iiiniaia. 4. al.. ..... i.J...a. .... - THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, APRIL 9, 1850. was seat voted to defray the expenses of the civil and tag eou•effectivo earring. The home this resumed, and the report wu ordered slu t Wrto en up toe on to-etorrow (this day). The house In essmait THE NAVY ESTIMATES. otae Or a t n th a e nd il imi nt ungen vota of t el l pnwes 37.Wel of . a ur a Ad defr m j ay ni eh t ;, ,o , 4l64 , taken, Coked SIBTHORP said they were then thirty.fi, M pass. How long that moo might continue he rift to proton, bet such wu the fa c e nevertheless. er as tkowgb they wore at poses they had no lees th,. Lords of the Admirslty, with whose number lanes also ha intended to deal. Hot heat .leughter.) As the resent eras a peri o d a 4 . 1 ,1 v reform, bethought the Admiralty department was 1 :!!• 1 of a little improven.ont , man the First L,. f t' Admiralty with a salary of 4,6001. a year, and, nouid e , the cheep rate at which everythin g cou ld be obtaiciak, Mare, issinding champare — (latighter)—h e di d think he seas dealing eeverely with th a t functionary • he propos ,' so s a k e 1,5001. a Jeer off hie salary, N mmir hi m 3,0001. • year, which was a most ,tap e ,, alowaggp. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) There were twit paint lords of the admiralty who Lad eae, a year, sad from whom he intended to Wet zOol leaving them 1,0001. for the tater.. At present, a s i previously remarked, tiers were no less than six lonia admiralty, and he proposed to reduce the Dumb , r to foo rho princ iple that "too manyeaoks spoil the broth."(Lausz Ho god to ask Mr. Bernal whether it was e9rOp tt , him ( I. Sibthorp), first to take the sense of the the creation oldie reduction of the combined salaries six lords from 9,9001. a year, to 6,8004, ? The CHAIRMAN said the ordinary course was to pose the emir , reduction in the vote at first (kd. SIBTHORP said there was one secretary at • year; he proposed to strike off 6001. There was ,k 1 peerttalT at 1,5001. a year, which he proposed to re:., 1,0001. The private secretary of the First Lord Admiralty had 3001. a year ; with that salary he e:. r=to meddle. The Wary of the s urveyor of thi ed So have reduced from a 1,0001, a year t, The mmonatant•general, , Ise storekeeper, the corarr,,. the victualling agreement, and the director st-rora; received 1,0001. a year each; he wished to rtdute salary to 8001. The total reduction which he propote from 20,2501. to 13,1601 The CHAIRMAN said the hon. and gallant proposal was to reduce 137,1001. to 130,00 n , diminatioa o! 7,1001. The questions having been put, Sir F. BARING said he understood the hon. and er colonel to propose to reduce the salaries of the Lords Admiralty and likewise of the clerks of the Admitaity. Colonel SIBTHORP did not wish to touch ti.e the clerks at all. They set re the working men. sad, n opinion, orght to be well p3id, Laving no patrons', none of the peculiar advantages which attached r higher situation,. Sir F. BARING said the hon. and gallant Clloll,l used a different word from that which he (Sir F. B. employed. He referred to the heads of the &prow Somerset House. (" Hear, hear," from Col. Sib t h orp regard to the salaries of the puliamentary ago r a Admiralty, it should be recollected that his retie (Lord J. Itoasel;) had given notice of a motion Lr a e..i tee in which there would be an op aorta..ity of maid , all the salaries, and he hoped therefore, that the how*. postpone its decision. With respect to the other tilicte thought his noble friend had wisely left the questith of rue ha the heads of the several departments. It w delicate end difficult tags for the government to detet what should be the amount of their remun. ration. ly bear.) The officers whose salaries the bon. sad es colonel proposed to reduce, wt ra not, as he appeared r. vast, paid officers who performed no duties, but .' upon whom rested great responsibility with rust details. The accountant-general had l gen years is his own department, and a more able or 1: public servant did not breathe ; yet it was proposed off a considerable portion of the salary of a gentleato had risen by his own exertions to his present might be doubtful whether in fact the pupils would i if the proposed reductions were eBt cted ; for when the annotation allowances came to be considered 'hose re must be taken into account. As to the number ti though he would be glad to sic it rcdueed, if the wor, 1 kely to be done better with a SOlll,:itt num• appeared to him that the contrary would result. He hoped, therefore, that the house wou. i l t. sent to the amendment. Col. SI STEIORP sada the house had been ,emir the noble lord at the head of the government had pc-, committee. If the nobl, lord would assure him tr..• committee should be appointed, he woad lease his it, to its decision ; but the case reminned him of the a " Timeo Daneoe done ferentes." Cayain FITZROY could not concur in the ha gallant colonel's proposal to reduce the salaries of the Guns. He had a still stronger objection to the ret'....r the salary of the accetuaantigeceral, whose ac: amounting to 6,000,0001. per annum, were kept a. mirable regularity. He did not consider that orfwit paid with a eatery of 1,0001. • year. He thought the of one lord might easily be dispensed with. Under t cumstaacea he should feel gr. at delicacy in vont? w: Reliant et)lonel on this cccasion, and he hoped that he not press his motion to a division. Mr. ARK WRIOEIT said many necessary performed by the Lords of the Admiralty. Stint. the proroga• ien e parliament in August last the haan at Plymouth, and he found it stated that the first : mined • bakehouse, aud that in the e ve•i• R h e b the table of the &di:nivel superintendent with his pr On another day, it appeared, the lords embarked Lightning steamer, under salutes from the lespregni' the Dragon, and proceeded to the Queen, wht.:h closely inspected. It was, he believed, well kora the right hon. gentleman the first lord was ho He believed that these tours of inspection were mar excuse for very jovial parties. The next party, e amongst others, of Sir Francis Baring, Font an excursion to one of the seats of Lord E4tecc and made most important inspections there. Oa t►e 21st the Black Bogle arrived at Patera and waited for the First Lard. They then we , Pembroke, and nn doubt walked through the cocky dined with the superintendent. On the 2Sth Auir found them at Portsmouth, when solutes of the ship announced their arrival. If the hon. and gel.ant nel took the pease of the house as to the reducuoo lords' salaries, ►e should certainly support him. Mr. HUMS quite agreed to the re:ititction of ;'.1 ,, • tt ought it much better to leave the safari-r t.e ,; tioned. He should be sorry to make a •eduction salary of the Director. General of the Medical Depar: because there was not a more important mike cAnrced the navy. . _ Lord J. RUSSELL should regret if the honoutt' learned member for Lincoln was in error I 4 --- committee which he proposed to arp int. The mittee would inquire into the salary of the Lord of the Admiralty and of the other Lodi Admiralty, but not into the ',guy of the Acuu 0 1 and other officers. In hie opinion, tne the head of each department was much better able to deductions from time to time than the committee • House of Commons As to the Comptroller ct Steal ehinery, it would be difficult for the tone) to sty the officer was unnecewetry. He did not adree vita the member for Montrose that 7,04101. could be reduced this estimate. . — Col. SIBTHORP said that if he had the amigo the noble lord that an investigation would take pl tee regard to the Admiralty, he should withdraw his ow. Lord J. RUSSELL—With regard to the First L rd with regard to the others. Mr. DISRAELI hoped that his hon. and gallant would not fail into an error on the subject of the proposed by the noble lord, iltelk*lll he had incase.: notice of an amendment, which was entirely oppose proposition of the noble lord. He Sunlight the had gone by when any alteration in the salaries of the country coed be made consi.: ' with the efficiency of the pah.io 'strict. t' , day next he should state the reasons why h e th it Impolitic and inexpedient that the House of should consent to the motion of the noble lord. a trusted that the hon. and gallant member would :it, his support. Colonel SIBTHORP sai I that after what had s:' , . , his hon. friend,' he would accede to his mummer: and would take the sense of the house on the nisei the offizes of two lords. That would be a ruin... , 2,0001. Sr F. BARING observed that, as to the estate::.' he had stated that there had been vacancies ham‘ clerks which had not been filled up. Si ar t spection of d ckyards being a matter of pleasure, he 6 remember working harder than when he w.ut ore] yards. Mr. HUIHE willingly voted (or the reduction of t' The committee divided. Ay" Nora lle - The vote was then agreed to. 49,7031. salaries of officers in the scientific departt. the navy. Mr. HUME asked whether any steps had been reduce the price of the nautiosl almanac. Sir F. T. BARING promised enquiry. Mr. HUMI. complained of the inaccuracy of thee" general use. Sir F. T. BARING acknowledged the import.: many of the charts in use, but did not Ike to et. government interference with private tnterprise. The vote was agreed to. On a vote of 133,8261. far the salaries of her lit , naval establishments at home being proposed, Mr. NUKE complained that no sufficient mine.. taken place in this department. Ito feared thee ti many ofteen. After a few words in reply from Sir F. Biuts... was agreed to. A vote of 23,7131. was Formed for the ellaries of t jetty's naval establishment abroad, which, after , marks from Mr. Hums, was agreed to. A vote of 689,9711. for wages in the naval est.! , at home having been moved, Mr. HUMS objected to the enormous amour. 01 penditure, and slid that much of it wss causti ships, which were afterwards allowed to rot y Nrt• never sent to ma. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY complainvl m e t it oar been the pramios to apportion the cost of re p lr. manner as to equalise them. Sir F. BARING denied tint any such object .I , '• ttee existed at present. II it did, let ,t and the officials guilty of it would be coil upommt, la fo, „ Id to 44. e,; foie-sof beici • y ivs 1 ) 4 : itass ~; 4 . 1 . 41 11 : isod semb e i, 11 "Ptilf4 14 1 , Weft.. 116,2 4 lid " knee 7, tb% ere tt e I ru e, he Lid 11 (of te e four, IROler eteot oust of of th, 1 ° Pl. %wit* OYtt to of 2 4 did t% re eery o oiln t f LI, o'.t to m led au Dater( .I:tg irClat of to t S• Sri', of it to Me sal to the el ',Li to' af W, t of frier. r 4 4. a. ' 1 ' H-.r. Es..ec: otf*.t,a V. .1 •••• tr. yr, •c •dr• . < . • ••••••• <l. • <! rnd i• 7. 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