The Express. — London, England, 1865-05-31 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. 0/..L0RD9.-•••TOMitmtr, MAT SO. As • lA= CitimatuAin took Lis sea is ihe woolen& at Beatnik- Lard EAVENSWORTH promoted • amber et petitions , ecen. fan= of sed some egged the Union Chargeability VI& Lord PORTMAN, in promoting • patties from 3oreenuel shire spinet the bill, stated that he dlered entzely bem the view cf the petitioners. The following prima bills wen reed • that time sad g=l — Dobliw. Coated, and Dalyument Tramway; Ceara Balmy ; Limenok and Nor th Kerry Jae boa Ballow ,• Whitehorse Jacitiosi Railway, _• Ober' Carpentaria Water ; Suederlead Oarporatioa ; Illetagmbe Bailwey Lades and South Western lailway_oleasiegtee , fto Linda. Blackwell, rod Mineral Ezteesion Rel we, • Kiss's Lys. Docks sad Balla ; Leaden and Soak Widens Railway (Pi:height, t, sad Pas ha. Janata) Bills. SEWAGE UTILIZATION. Lad RAVENSWORTH bet up the report el the emananse we the Collation a Sewage Bill, and mead that the bill , with ameedineate, be pruned 62d referred to • commit ee of the whole Irma en Thursday art The maim was agreed to. THE ABYSSINIAN PRISONER& L ew d CHELMSFORD wished t o pa a question to the Semersary for leap Attain relative to the Abyesie ea tan prisoners, and be was Mimed to do so le coesippienew of article is the Pall-stall Ga.-eas, bat prinoially were ho for the elks of the relatives of Wise unhappy per , w extremely desirous of obtaining autheetio inform/Ana. The article in the Pall-wall Goat/ of the 25th May was ie these terms:—" We briefly ainostooed yesterday ' that lotelligesce had been remand from kieseowah np to the 28th of April . To-day we ere enabled to give • few details respecting the unforeunste captives. These details are oontmenicated in • letter from 11 x Fled, at Gast, who writes very diecounwiegly of the preeeet aanditme and peospeets of the prlcmen. It appears that King Theodo ra, afar experiencing a reverse to Shot came in haste to Magda., procured reinforcements and guns, and returned to that country. While et Magda& he woke harshly to the prisoans, and before leaving ordered a change for the worse is their treatment. Mr. Flad's letter le dated March 16, and contains the tailoring extract from • note mamma to him by Mr. Stern :—" As it appears that they have quite forgotten us in Europe. pethiag monis. but to uxtre oure elves for the wont — a miserable death." these aireumstances he wished to ask the noble lord what as the date of the latest intellitmeas the government bad received from Abyssio is, end whet wee the account then given of the condition of the primmer'. ,He also wished to know whether Mr. Ramat still °optioned at lianoirsb, or contemplated returning to Ada, sod whether any steps had ben cakes to sand any other missive far the purpose of spprosching the Emperor, mid, if so, whether it would be secompained with promote ? Earl RUSSELL, who was almost wholly inaudible, wee nederstood to say that the latest samuen received by the dorm:oast wore to the 28th of ApriL when Mr. RANI= wrote that be had not several message" te the Emperor. and that the rumours of additional hardships lammed upon the prieneen did not appear to be well founded. At that date Mr. Remain was still welting to fulfil hie mission. Lord CHELMSFORD asked whether, if further informs tion reached the Foreign-aka, there woad he any objec tion to commusioate it. Earl RUSSELL said he would commakate the inter . main, but not the bonne from whence it came. RAILWAY DEBENTURES, Az., REGISTRY BILL. On the motion of the Earl of Became,' the second reading of this bill was postponed fora fortnight COMMISSIONERS OF SUPPLY MEETING (SCOT LAND) BILL. This bill wee reed a nand time. LOCOMOTIVES ON ROADS BILL. The nomiliatioe of tbe select committee ea this bill was • deferred till after Whitsuntide. DOGS REGULATION (IRELAND) BILL. Earl Se. GERMANS moved the wooed reading of this bill, the object of which is to impose • tax of 2s, • year foe every dog, and a registry fee of Pd., in ceder to remedy the evil arising from the Dumber of dop kept by small occupiers. It was calculated that the to would produce *OM., which would go to relieve the cempayers. 1116 Elea CORK did not rise to oppose the bill, but approved very moth of a clause in a similar bill introduced into parliament giving power to inspecton of police to act as prosecutors in cases where they happened to know that the ornate of the doge were not registered; and he gave sake that he should more animation of a similar elan into this bill on its going into committee. COMPANIES' WORKMEN'S EDUCATION BILL. This bill was reeds third USN and pawed, • Manes being. added to it on the motion of the Archbishop of Yea& WAR DEPARTMENT TRAMWAY (DEVON) BILL. This bill was reported with smsedmeste. IARSONAGEB BILL. This bill passed through committer. Tll6 CLERICAL SUBSCRIPTION BILL. Oa the question that the report of sassadzesets be re- calved Lord , CHELMSFORD said he wished to call Wristlet to the last paragraph of the declaratioe to be made is reference so theme of the Book of CAWOOD Prayer. He objeeted to the words "woe other, except eo far as shall be ordered by law ful authority," and he would leave the declaration as it stood at the end of the words, "Is public prayer end adminis• lattice of the Sacrameets I will use the form in the same book prescribed." This was a neon= of peace, and be should very much regret that any dimeasion should be crested by the insertion of words in the declaration which might arouse scruples. They would get rid of all difficulties try exeludieg the words to which he objected. Earl GRANVILLE said he should be very unwillieg to make any change in the form of deolaratioa as it had bees framed by the commissioors after due and careful con sideration. Perhaps the nob le and learned lord would sot pees' his objection, but allow the matter to stand over until the third reading. Lard CHELMSFORD serrated to that GOON& Earl STANHOPE wished to point out that the words objected to were cot inserted to provide for any alteration in the Liturgy, bat to meet the case of special prayers, such as thanksgivings for good harvests. The lawful authority was the Queen is Conacil, and there could be no reel ohjeselon to the words. a The Berl of ELLEN BOROUGH suggested that the word " occasionally" before the word " ordered " should be in- IrerL. and that would meet the difficulty, rd REDESDALE was of opinion that the words " noire other" were very important, and ought to be retained in the Maus. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY said the words were intended to afford relief to the consciences of some of the clergy. He could assure their lordships that the declaration had men most sorupuloasly considered by the commis simmers. After a few words from Lord LYrrsuros, which did not xeSar ihe silery, The LO - D oHANCELLSR said there could be no &M. entity in acquiescieg is these words, if their lordahips ob served what was the existing lawful authority. At pre mit there was no lawful authority, except that of perlia meat, to make soy chugs in the Book of Common Prayer. Bat there was &lawful authority, via., the Queen In Cons eil, which could add to the Liturgy s pecial prayers for thankagivimis. The exception objected to extended to this lawful authority. There could be no difficulty in allowing it to mosaic as a part of the deolaratios. The Archbishop of YORK, as a member of the commis doe, said that when the words were added this commis• sioners thought they were doing good service to tender coo sciences. He acknowledged that no mention was made of the power of the Cease io Gonoeil to add something to the liturgy upon particular coossioos. But it was very desirable that there should be power to do that. He hoped that parliament would define what the words lawful authority ' meant. Lord CHELMSFORD intimated that the matter could be further considered upon the third reading of the bilL The Bishop of OXFORD said that in reference to clause 9, he bad given notice of an amendment, es it appeared to him that this clause would be a sew thing in legislation, and it sou not strictly mentioned in the report of the coos missiocers. Up to this time of the declarations and sub scriptions made by theolergy, some rested upon the authority of the convocations with the lament sod liceese of the crows, and some rested upon the authority of acts of pediment. The declarations rested epos the authority of sots of par liament, sod the subscriptime upon canonical enactments of the convocations with the assent of the crown. They were now trying to bring these two chines of enactments sod these two authorities into one band. But it this ninth CILLUNI amid be agreed to, at would be • new limitation of the power of the convocations, with the assent of the crown, end therefore be would propose, if her lisjeety's government had no objectlon,to add the words "saving and excepting the rights of the convocations of the two provinces in any way." If there was any real objection, he would not pre. hi amendment. Rail GRANVILLE thought the clause es framed was meanly in accordance with the views of the royal tom misoiosers, and he hoped the right rev. prelate would withdraw hie amendment. The Bishop of OXFORD assented. Oa the motion of the Bishop of Lulea.", a verbal amend ment, se we understood, was agreed to in the same clause. The Bishop et LLANDAFF reminded their lordships that the bill before the house was one dined entirely of relief sad eoneiliation. Government, is imuieg • mosimiatioo, had no doubt hees iditnaced by the °pixies ermined in the Hoses of 00111111110aa and *lumbers, u to the multi plicity of oaths sod webeeriptions required to be taken. He agreed is tie recioesesesdatiess of the report of the commis einem, bat regretted that os ea* point, deeply affecting the thumb, no reoommeadation had bees mode by them—he referred to the each of soprio rimy. New, be proposed to omit freer that oath the words relative to the spiritual &litho:By of the Pope .within this realm. He had no objection to the re iseithisi of the ward "jarielictiee,' which had a well. 40111143 meaning. bat he objected to the multiplicity of words need, which many Under easseiscoes, sad leagued as well as unlearned wee, fogad it dillealt to eeeribe to. The oath was objected to on two grourrie—firet, at beam, it convoyed to many Elias an ides which arembd that which wan not true ; sad mooed, MOWN tie words were mot altar and neambigsoss, as the words of *very oath eught be be. biotite( meld be cleans thaw that by recast legie 7 Mee the el Rama °Ababa la this country bed best Fase4 obsaged. Zia boa rad et lids 'rap OM bl 'NOG,. MAY 31, 1865 ii b; -.. tassa - --- a:ma ]Maw' sour - -- - sac ow** ot the mow. hod as me re t ee h i at sh s t okes houtg it nessmuy to gnerti l lOsetha i (Mr. I tlierseli), io • speech ie favour of mall f right hes. geotleama the member for Limed& ------" --.-----..----.--.-.....- w . , . - ‘.l,- a. ♦ • v .. -- r ..0 ILlni IL the ta u st er ° l 4 1829 2. 6 t "Li th "*" .. ° ll l7:::q ua amaays , a led 1 ,, mri a s a attempts *poi the Ws a the e i, eit e, sod the freeder a l_both sommout ops ambit* I=2; blelaitl; ebemwed that, inelmithaist as Amadei looked, he quertkra whe th er, if the three p c t. o f ti ts ow . ee tc .. „llts this chasm this th e Pops heel his **What ei l l. to as attempt Os einem the lighbithes, and iliss to foster- meats of be MIMI whether h' wow member was really the rapreeesitative of 900,000 English .b• referred Stens etre& out, the • lit ta- - - "'en lessees.* of thee* historical Roman catholies • sad surely if those 900,000 persona had ! would comsat to the remnactinent le h is f orm — Ple. rash et iog by ism D a. ethicathethal &scads, which was fol. leg • spirit which maimed moessary for loog periods to- in them who did sot loved by td h . r, 0 4 Oardinal Wiseman. Now, the clew eltrit_bsposation upon the Rama mtholo body of penal mama to object to Pr4 7 d with the sl 100 of this oath. but o use Maa ses be ' re te r y seas i &lag u : au tbota beed.. a. gim let t ta wroog am ;, lb: . w.cirtt...whicht at i p mcil mpi lu rt st y rimil iia relat pro in tes t tea t.° tli t eLreewi t. Lty - ..1 Noe wee whether, when they came to **wader tinsmiths, And what boa. mambas said th ey MGM in. until, as wes the wise before the sr th• t attempt deeesiotieee sot, eohesioess taken b y t h e e l e m. they IM' 711TiCheim asked to repel/late theta Worms doetthnee members wore altered is 1848, roam impair, bed Men made • parliamentary imputation upon his beggar. B e sides, so ! (Ni, no.) If Maid not receive a satieferam c ii ! ----- .t tei ,.. ought sot to take time facie into ochtlaare ttee • h e *vela ehe l, that all the y the r ° to do was thi6i either by goverment Or by • sionsmitem of this beam or two perms. were agreed se to what the calla meant. : gasohol' he should, though reluctantly, feel ht e -- 7 a the Not only were there differences the oath altogether, but his mare thsek th at they more Mete to _set in the seine spirts the o th er home into the memst eireiumilawas of opiates amoopt Roman ' duty to vote spinet the amendoisat. (Heir b ehe ) kit hi Re did not wish to sweep sooty proposed the imam from the chines " loth °r °eig ht t ° . 88 the r" body ei the B ele " a l t hea ", la this oountry, Ronson catholic body is this mantry, as these elfeelnlMMOlle catholic*, bat ems ptieteetacts had set made up their sisal RA HOESNAN said that the speech w i t t e b ehin• kid by the MONA ermaisatios or athimpta at about it. He rarolleetod that is 1844 or 1845 Lord Derby, just beard from the right boo. gentlemen who had J ut !' "'„,„ Mss ei -t h el poser o f lethedletios b ad, this realm," . mad is rams, and also it Spain, Irmo the propagators of were affected ar iho sa :Zu bath or." Thom wards bad, be believed, ' those 'hams doetraies were elected from their organ coder the hietareby sowassted sad appolated to replying to Hr. Streit, reed the oath in • wiry totems . down marinated to Dottie' mom than this, that mith eeee - assimiall the difficulty which had tabled. yin that one nary . He ciould sot ustlerstosd at Rome, and by recestosenreasmo spas theeontimist, sod tom, and said that so am amid doubt what that meant. I having bees advancing for a mush muster of - -- "h . by the racter el those who wore *eel ia authority • Aad yet by has side mat bit Robert *rite views about it. An Pild'oeth who e t hs qu l i d - ' cmr" estoblish a log e ofthoW li ;Trinci alid ples " o7 nd civ e i r l and set Ind hi ee l ' -61 1 : z e d oilaN VILLE saggested the poslipmensest el the r i n . my Walt to • soy boo. manlier of that house • time d t. se I wee &a r able then ilia bill should io down to dealers Oat he !mediated the &draw width had boa; ' theme o o h s Roams eistbolks? He bed heard h meld, sad is- Wally to the oils boom of parlament curtly renresentiog the i sepadisted by the pepocl itself. thictidhted at clarinet ' deed had mesa it written, this the Moreau of the rein's , ' vocal cou not but be rciardtd ss absolutely inazioraL which more sod more were growing the ea mee:s r tioes of the etimmisetoo. Ile belev that my times by every Roman catholic government is th e world, by' orders of the thew, the mooted° warm to whisk he sews He most deeply regyetted that 100 hon. members Do the end a ff ection of the people of this cotiotry, h e ~t eee alterative of the oath of supremacy Amid forme d hires IR the members of the t h e cotholia church whose tow ! tinar ego called the *Meshes of the haute, ass • 'attar opposite side of the bones bad declared they would net to know whether his right ova hon. hind writde •- "" o f • separate bill, applicable not to one particular clam but 1 duet commended hod! to the respect and eduairstioe of I totally irrelevant to the matter now Were the home. (Hear.) relieve R o man m a m b os f rom the meeie sooseleot eod eloseot to make e e.t . d . io and r...6c to all permed MMus the oath. Obriltiaal threegbalit lb* woad, of whatever dmossinstion. . Sir Jolts Grey is his speech at Dahill said the shames melees homiletics@ Oil their ohmmeter and senduct. ties sad diesbilitlat - Aith bad t the y e w . Lord ST. LEONARDO apprised the ameadment ea mach He hid nis desire to perpetrate an loisthice. He merely! is the set d 1829 proseriptme et the ssosestle orders were (Cheers.) passed from, swam b oo k van ego. (Cries of "No, so." sad " mho , Emm a th en shoes s tated by the noble tarl. The asked the Roman catholic luesthess of that house to aware I painful to the Pest loiod of PM Robert Peel e ..° 6 l_°°. werth, 1 sir J. PAKINOTON said this was a i t teestioh w hi c h was He supreme! his sinews regret that te st ti bia oh . right rev. prelate proposed to strike out two very Moment them, at that table, that they would act in the Slime spirit of the cootieestal knowledge sf the Link 0 , wellicitcnn not to be settled by bard words. ( User Mar.) Ts the fast as • rumour-that some satisfactory settlement of th e l e illal4 words, b a t th e y b eti p e s h d th be th• pith, inthetame. sad as their Roman catholic anceetres. who costa:molly re- Bat what did the Duke of Welllsitnn 0, 7 °° the euee I plam he deeply remitted the thoe, awl M. matehselb w hich ilea by an tto take Me ocna l b, 1 ,..= • '''' "NI levelhd at all usurped premed these viscous principles,eree is Romeo catholic times April, 1829? He said, Worries to mossettriek "The . this reset was intreduesd. He thought the latimpt at mane to- bees found to be immactie l arle, sl • . . . . • . . .. . -Moe ii , - obeli attempts were made on measure which 1 ro w ropoth laarbereeptesee_., aid ill i t b u • him ., . 60 'pi yki o y the securities owl , y . ed pert we „ eye Do discoodow in the holes had hdes.. ( ni fieez .... .) bt . _.,, a 18 e sec .. ie .. most )11 4 --- sa d *sod se painful se those respecting the oath marrnr of the Oath. — They wen .• authority. and it ought to be podded; and abedonly denied that so foreign potentate had so y power or lat ely denied within this realm. It ought not to les left bypothe tinily, as it would be by the mere words, " ought to have. It was • settled matter of law, and did not rest upon ,apposition. When they saw this Pope clainsiog • tight to exercise jurisdiction within the! realm, es was tb• ease when the kingdom wee parcelled out by him, was theA • time to sweep away the landmarks by which their liberties were onsened Meer, bear.) The law declared, and all men were bound by it, that no foreign potentate, pope or prince, bath or ought to line juris diction io this wintry, and b, that declaration they should stand. (Hear, beer.) The Bishop of LLAN BAH? said he had rather expressed the eiroples of others than any he entertain• d himself. He had so desire to disturb the unanimity of the house gene rally, and he wonld, therefore, withdraw his ameudment. On the motion of the BishoP of WINCHESTER the epee ration of the set was exteoded to the isles& of Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney and Sark, and to the Isle of Han. The Earl of row Y 8 inquired whether the colonial clergy would be bound be the sot. The LORD CHANCELLOR replied that the tot would out, grind to clergymen ordain& and exerci•ivg their faoction within the products of the United Kingdom and the Chinni Islands. The report of amendments was then received and agreed to. The County Voters Registration Bill and the County of Sussex Bill were respectively nod a third time sod passed. Their lordships adjourned at 20 mieutes past 7 o'clock. infers the whs. -...ecapes the life M Qom"' petitioned the Pope to withdraw him eauseariee who brought them iota odium among their fellow oountryineo. He spoke in the sense of those to el Romeo mambos who manifested through all the trembles of the Stood Min their attaohnUot to their unaley awl the freedom it guaranteed in opposition to thawing mad dusitfal counted/ which, be said advisedly, breeglit Charles L to his miserable death ; which brought this nation to the orenrunaion of that crime ; which, as all the world knew, Wooed James to adopt a policy as ie. seffemble to th e people of this country as the outlay of the Neapolitan Bourbons who, in ociesequeinee of being influenced by the same Jesuit advisers, were expelled by their people. Par John Gray had asked if any one could show that any sorties of Romeo catholic oidnious had brought a sovereign to his grave et the hands of an outraged people, or teased the deposition of a soundest. Let any mu who bad a doubt upon the piton tun, to the history of the period of troubles which preceded the death of Charles 1., and in form himself who were the advisors of that king, who ex ercised influence upon hint through his ooliappy Quota. Let him ascertain aloe who were the advisers of James 11. Who were they but the Jesuits, who, adding inmate exile, with their characteristic ingratitude, defeated him as a fool. He hod drawn the attention of the house to these events. bemuse, males the poem:4er' of the bill could show that the opinions against which this oath was directed bed ceased to be operative, sad were repudiated by the papacy,. no ere bad bum made out in favour of the house's not re quiring Its Boman catholic members to disavow the *plaice that the Pope possessed power to depose mid excommuei este soweseigne, to raise their nab:juts in lONA creek's against them, sod to compass the death sovereigns. Look et the rooms history of Poland. Would soy men deny, now that the trials had taken place there, sow that pedaloes were ealm sod full ieformatioe was in the bands of the Reads* government, that the bloody insurrection io Poland, and the murders perpetrated by the so-called National Governmeet, and the use of poisoned weapons, was the work of thee altramontane faction, which, he was haply to say, had received no countensuce and support from the Papal chair. With regard to Ireland, no one mild have watched the prooeedinp . in that country of late years—the repeated attempts at sgitatiou and the use of seditious language--without using that smoog • ell eerily of the Roman catholic body there—and be thanked God they were a minority—there still existed this virus, which the oath they were now asked to abendue required ROOM catholic members of the house to promise they scald repro's. Why, the repression of these vile epistle's— for be called them vile—was a teak which Roma esthetics should be proud of instead of looking upon it es an Cult. The repreasion of thee" opinioos was essential to the freedom of the Roman catholic body itself. Unfortunately they met with too much satiation et Rome. Let them look at the Ipamphlet receutly published by the Duke de Persigoy, is which be said that the pity now dominant at Rouse was entirely deems to the form of government in Fiance, and condemned all forms of government not subject to the immediate control and influence of the Papacy as revolutionary. That was the spirit which had actuated and justified brigandage in Italy, and which was at this moment shedding blood by assassination. And while this spirit had too much influence at preempt at the papal court, it was not for the freedom of oar Roman catholic fellow subjects that they should remove the counteractiog inflames under which they lived, or that they should receive them as members in that hones except as oppro cents of those Jesuit opinions and that ultramootami virus which they were informed by the Duke de Persiguy and every echo reliable authority were dominant in Italy. He hoped the liberal members of the house would excuse him for stating that not very long since there had bean as admission on the part of a very influential organ of liberal opinions that iustead of reeeot event justifying the alma , &lowest of these last securities, there was great doubt whether with a view to the real freedom of oar Roma& catholic fellow subjects we bad not gone already too far is Iremoving thou restrictions to their actions which were in fact, a protection to them against influence to whisk we I would not wish to see them exposed. He spoke the opi 11b0s of those who could not be accused of bigotry uwa this subject. It was the fashion In former days to say t ha t he wad addicted by a spirit of bigotry. 1 . Zio, no," aed " Hear, beer.") He rejoiced to say that that impression had now worn out, and that the Roman catholic members of that house, though be did not expect them to avow it, would recogoise this feet, that if he were • I strong protestant it was because be wee a deter mined catholic—a catholic, by conviction and faith. i lt was because be would resist that spirit which had cor rupted and debased the church of Rome, it was because he would resist that which be regarded heretical, schismatic, I and corrupt that betook the part he now did in defending 'the constitution of this country, which was still founded on the catholic priaciples whirl" were developed in Magus Charts, and foetid expression in the socket laws of Rioliard IL, vindicatiog to Roman catholic& of this country the right to regulate their own church worship, accepting only the spiritual advice of the papacy, but rejecting every attempt to sauce the temporal Wit. plltiooll of that see. He would icon' the fol lowing panne from an article written in 1859 :—" It' is only due to the memory of men who underwent math obloquy for the time, and wore even treated with • peeulidr sod galling kind of contempt not usual in political warfare, to as ourselves, after an experience of just 30 years, which side was in the right. Have the results been in accordance with the sanguine aaticipatioos of Canning, of Mackintosh, of Grey, hod of Brougham ; or ham the measure turned out as predicted by Lord Eldon —` that hater of ell that was liberal and plement, and by Lord Winehilsea, at whose tirades we have all laughed so heartily. There is, unhap pily, no doubt about it, the genius, the liberality, and the eloquence were wrong; the narrowness, the bigotry, and the prejudice were right. Ever since the day of deliverance the conduct of Roman catholic' has more and more con. firmed the predictions of their 'poetics, more and more dn. appointed the anticipations of their (needs. Let any one read the speech of Dr. Moriarty at Killarney, or the dis graceful scene which occurred at the meeting io Cork, and then ask himself whether suck things are the reseh of British institutions, and whether he can recognise ta them any one of thou characteristics which, in spite of all their political differences, distinguish Englishmen from the rest of mankind. Where but in a Roman catholic meet presided over by a bishop, sod ' by of tM sottissiant _ _ _ .00st was likely to lead to the revival of hostile feelings between members of the protestant and Roman catholic communities in this couotry and in Ireland. (Hear, bear.) Such a question es this ought to he discussed with the ut most alarms and in a spirit of justice to both parties. In the next place , if such a manure as this was to be intro idnited at all, it ought in his opinion to be brought forward on the authority and with the sanction of her Majesty's governmat. (Hear, hear.) Whether the change was a gegeod or a bad change there was no doubt it was a most impottant change, and he regretted to see the bill in the private bands of as hop. mealier, although of so dish.- geisha a member of the house r the right hon. gentleman the member for Limerick. He farther thought that the Iright boa. gentleman, If be introduced such a measure as this at all, should have dose so at au earlier period of the session. (Hear, base.) When he (Sir J. Pakiogton) asked the right hon. gentlemen to postpone this dismission in consequence of the Blew of his right hoe. friend (Mr. Memel% the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Man sell) and, ad said with truth, that be could not afford to span a heels day, as the session wee so far ideated. Now he (Sir J. Pakiegtoo), whilst be admitted the truth of the excuse, thought it was a state of things much to be re gretted. llama* further say, he most sincerely regretted ' that such a question as this should be forced upon the house on the eve of a general election. (Chars from mioiste ' rialist benches below the gangway.) He thought be un derstood those cheers better than hon. members asderatood the spirit in which he had spoken. He believed it was impossible to discuss this question at this mo tweet without reference to the medal wishes of each constituency. He wee, indeed, perfectly on- Woes a the generous spirit in which this quotas bad boos discussed on the former cordon and in expressing , his own views berth no isteutioo of dep arting from that spirit. But the question was whether this wee •tinie when we ought to abandon the securities of 1829. What was Sir R. Peel's uniform language on this point! Although he was animated by the most generous helloes towards all oleoses of his fellow-oouutry men, be always treated this settlermot of the catholic question as fleal—(bear, hea ) —aid not to be dis turbed by su bse quent relaxatio n. Now what was the coo. statutia of the Roman catholic oath ! It might be divided into several parts, but its object might be fairly described as being a single one, namely, that whoa the Roman catholic. were admitted to the full privileges of the British constitu tion, when their disabilities wire removed, this condition was ed to their liberation, that they should not era. err the °meditations' powers which the Emancipation Ad I confined ape's them tour hi*, of protestant institutions. (Hear.) That he believed was a fair determine( the prim& al objects which the oath sought to enforce. Acid had the oath that effect? They basil recogniadovwrandover away is that base, the honourable conduct of Roman catholict in adhering to the spirit of the oath they had takes. St was willing to believe that in every instates the bower a Roman esthetics had bound them to °hareems of the ehlib gabon thus imposed upon them. Then, might he not ask were they at this moment to abrogate the security of thi solemn and binding declaration! Could they do so withotth exciting the alarm of protestants both in England and ? Would they not complain of the inertias of the British paliament, who, whilst they always treated Roman catholic* is the liberal spirit, were apparently breaking down the harriers of defence by which protestant inatitatinas in England and Ireland were guarded. Very recently ea attempt had hem made to undermine—he might say—the protestant church in Ireland. (" Hear, hear " and "No, I no.") What was going on at this moment in 6ublin •. His right Inio. triad (Mr. Whiteside) had on a former occesioe' I read a letter from the Secretary of the National Association, in which it was admitted that the principles of the body were to admit no compromise on the subject of the Irish church establishment, but that they would From no effort for its overthrow. (Hear, hear) From all be had heard, he (Sir J. Pakiogton) believed that lUD association, framed under what auspices he would act' say, was not supported by the most eolightenedmid Baal of the Roman catholic body ; but he could not express too 'time! Ms regret at Sadie' the Roman eatholics of Ireland taking up sit sggrestiveattitude egthist the protestant church establishment in Ireland. What was the state of the public miod on this subject! He believed there was no disposition on the pert of any large session of the public to joie in an attack upon the Irish church. It was true that the Chan cellor of the Exchequer—(hear, bear)—had mule a speech lately, from which it might be inferred that he was to be enlisted among the enemies of the church of Irelaod, fat as lest session he made a speech which induced radicilreforreers to think be was to be numbered amoapt their ranks. How far the right boo. gentleman might hereafter dun out any of these prognostications it was tot for him (Sir J.' Pakington) to say— (laughter)—but notwithstanding the right hoc, gentleman's attack upon the Irish church, he J. Pakington) confessed, he believed that no large potties either of statesmen, of members of that house, or of the public at large, were disposed to join in an attack on that establithment (Hear, hear.) For thearetionsit appeared to him that this was sot the armistice introducing this ma- sure ; but as it had been brought forward, be must he allowed to express his views on the question. Practically he thought the Roman catholic Bath might be divided into two portions—one, that part ithich was intended as a searity for protestant institutions, which had been accepted se sash a security by large Bombers of their fellow-oonutrymen. who I were naturally grieved sod vexed to see the Hoag of Oat- MOOS invited to dear, that security. Bat there was another part of the oath, in his opinion of far law importance. as to ' which the Roman catholic gentry of England and Ireland might not unressonably consider that it was an offence to their creed. (Cries of "Hear, hear.") He was glad to make this admission, because he could users the Roman catholic members of the house , with the utmost stneerity. that it was a most painful thing for him to end himself in opposition to them in this matter. He was broadly the advocate of religious liberty, and of perfect religious toleration. (Several boo. members--" Equality.") He repeated be was the advocate of religions liberty sod religious toleration, and he might refer, if it were necessary, to the corms he had takst, on the Prior Minuters Sill—(bear, bear)—as showing the sincerity of his convictions, when it was his =Water to elder from his friends around him. (Hear, hear.) With the leave of the house, them, he would point nut the press he was ()rated la adopt—a aura which he vent the increase of such - _ oppressioa toady individual, fed without injury J06111;3(1 - y, will (.dually pat an sad le those which have been already formed. There is se men MOTO omminal than I am of the absolute necessity of carrying into esecutioe that part of the present measure which hes for its object the extmetion of the monastic orders in this country. I entwine no doubt whatever that if that part of *it measure be not carried into execution your lordships will see this country tied Ife land inundated by Jesuits an d regular mon astic clergy with the means of establishing thinning within her Majesty's dominions." The Duke of Wellington evidently did mot contemplate the Morgue of the isomeric orders In Ear/hind and Ireland as likely to conduce to the happiness of the Roman catholie body or to the welfare of society. The house probably bad not forgotten theesidenne which had ben printed as to the Mcrae. of these orders within the United Kingdom. He asked then if this was not a circumstance which should make them cautious how they parted with any security against the abuse of the papal power, which it was notorious it was the primary func tion of the regular clergy of the name of Rome to enforeal Amy man who knew anything of the history of the Jesuits knew that they were specially established to extend and to toreros the temporal power of the Pope. Re was reading in Bereft the other day an account of their early appear anoery in this country. It was in the time of Philip and Ma, end the Jesuits went to Cardleal Pole. An be would observe that he wished to speak with respect of Cardinal Pole, for be believed that if it bed, rested with him, the Jesuits would not have flourished in this coustry as they did. And be was sure that the eardizial stretched his power* is order to ratify the settlement of property in this +vestry. The Jesuits wrote to him sod testified their desires is an opposite sense, and Cardinal Pole rejected their assistance. He seemed to think of that body as Archbishop Brown of Dublin thought of them, that they promised to be an element of disturbance'. He (Mr. Wend/gide) appealed to the modern history of Europe whether the judgment formed by then eeclesiestles had not been vented to the letter. And let the house re member that it was spinet the doctrines specially promal pted by that order that the terms of the oath were di rected. The liberality of the bouts had removed almost every restriction from the Romeo mauling, and in the terms of this oath there renisised almost the only valid security still *filth.' that the eaestitutien of this country should be respected. He wished hoe. members would con sider for a moment what was the meaning of this oath. Au oath was valuable as a security for the beauty of a witness, inasmuch am it brought to burn his mind mum Missions of the wrath of the Deity if be violated his word. That was th e operation of the oath ea the individual. In addition to that it involved the penalty of perjury. Well, but he set aside these two elements; he set aside the opera tion of the oath on the emiscince of the juror. Hs trusted, sod he believed, that evert member who tonic the oath took it with the Miseries to abide by the conditions of the cmik but whether he did or whether be did not, great import &nes was rightly attached to theta's* of the oath at the table. the terms of the oath abjuring the deputing power of the Pepe and the sweetie, to defend the settlement of pro perty, itieinding the monestie property, the title to which. remember, the Pops bad not coefirmed. Cerdidal Pole es pied that the Pops should ratify the settlement of pro perty, but Pope Julius died, and his successor, Mareellus, Plainly declared to the arnbaseador of Philip and Mary, that, so far from sanctioning the alinations made by the parliament of this country, it was sacrilegious for those who were possessed of the monastic property to hold it. Thu might tell him that it did not matter whe ther the Pope bed seseticeed the title of the prawn pos. sesame of the property or sot. it o .mprieed t be property held by the great house of Bedford, the property be held himself, and property distributed throughout the wintry, amounting to nearly one quarter of the land in Fegbied ; they might tell him that it did sot matter whether the Pope eantioned the title or sot. And the right boo. mem. bet for Limerick (Mr. Moneell) said there was no use of an oath to defend the settlement of property which was held to Ireland. It might mot matter to a protestant whether the Pope onefinned his title to his lands or Dot, but to a Roman catholic it mattered much, became the mace maintained, and he saw by the encyclical of the present spa still maintained, that it was sacrilegious to bold such property. And whenever the owner and of such property, being a Roman catholic, oboe d come to the near close of life when the bresth came bard, and the eye was dim, the priest would be apt to remind him that during his life he had sacrilegiously held property beloag ing to the church, and that he ought to make restitution. It was the feeling that actuated the parliament of Queen Mary—the very parliament which mutated to the recon ciliation of this country with the papacy—to pus a stringent act which, in defiance of all Popes, should establish, so far as the power of this country could go, the title to this property as inalienable. He saw no reason why the Roman catholic member. of the house should ask to be relieved from the obligation not to attempt the enhversion of the church in Ireland. At pre sent they stood pledged not to compass such an object ; but it was well known that there was a considerable body of men forming an association for that very purpose. In fact as much bad been stated be Sir J. Gray, who was one of its members ; and by the 37th proposition of the Encycli cal It was declared that no church should be considered established that was separated from the see of Rome, Such being the state of things, he thought they were justi fied in exacting the oath from all who admitted the autho rity of the Pepe that they would not use their influence at members of parliament for the purpose of disturbing the constitution of this country. If, on the other hand, boo. members had no intention to ceroutemance any such plans as those to which be bad been adverting, they mast feel it a great nepwort to have recognise a couatenctieg power. Jading from what was gulag on in hely, from correspon dence received from France, and from the attitude of the Emperor, he was satisfied that the great body of the Roman catholic* must, in the present temper of the papacy, look to the authority of the states wider which they lived for protection against the adoption of what be was happy to believe was alien from their better judgment. For these reason he ventured to move the postponement of the further progress of the , bill notil some inquiry had been made, similar to that which preceded the alteration of the, oath which was effected in Ifififi, and until her Majesty's government bad "osittoc of their own e - • the tlie talihi. .Tiaioely comfort ;as tiait they W e --- h r .,,, - , - &boat • wholesome sod desirable clump in the sepi. - —; parliament, which he hoped would serer made fregag principle which they had deliberately established. m i l oath had been treated m • grimace 'e.g.. Homan eatholice only, but it wee a pp ml 7Z which effected protestants equally with A we (Athena. (Hem, hear.) The right has. pek e , dwelt upon the oath as being • compact end a aeon* l e protestant.. Where did that security exist? What sty nature of the compact? Every act of parliament Vag settlement of a question and was the law till it el - , repealed bye subsequent set of the legialatere, and a n & more war this oath ? (Hear, bear.) As to its brine a .7.. pact, it might be said that two independent and cupid Parties meld eater into suchnad.ench en agreement, hr i compact between a government and a portion of its sabpp a was nothing men tkem the law of a strong majority is. posed upon a weaker minority, which the weaker n i p would not fall to reverse when the relative strength el oi two parries was changed, either by an increase of NW" cc by as meessioe of badman, or the glowing gm path, of public, ophrion. (Cheers.) The right hoe. pati o . man aid that the Act ef Emancipation eatablished, sad me intended to establish, equality between Ronan catheithapi protestant.. He thanked the right hoe. gentleman for tan amides. Now his objection to this oath en that it sit hlished • distinction between the two in that beriseAkp it made two classes of members—that while the oath, declaration submitted to the protestant, the quaker, lip Jaw, tuned upon the sesamptioe that his creed was 1111 r sisthet with morality and allegiance, and invested lima with the complete function of dealing with any emasia n submitted to parliament, the Roman catholic oath Mad on the assumption that his creed was one which imethiff immorality, and that it wee therefore dateable to rthalai his power, to sinew his functions, and to exclude the from that large and important branch of legislation thiala wee recomdeed seder the title of eadesiastioth bear.) In point of fact they knew that a large pall the Roman cethelientembers feltthennelvesdebareed by oath from disowning questions relating to the temporslithed the established than& (Rear, ben.) But what non ffp dissenters? (Hear, hear.) Why were they not called eels take • similar oath? Had they not • formidable orgadie tics for the express purpose of overthrowing the iambi* meet. asd separating the church from the ante altegetbsej They were straining every nerve to effect that separatise, and yet no attempt was made to restrain them. (Rem hear.) Why not apply the same principle to tbe Rome estWlios which they applied to the diameters ? (Hue) The more sincerely devoted a Roman catholic was to II religion and church, the mote genre mast be hie Ashy le convert the elate to his y opinion and to eriallk his church penefull and morally in the ekes of that church which, in his *Pinion, had act at. severed its purpose. (Hear, hear.) What nearby Min did this ea* give? If the Roman catholic" were pethe tut enough, they would repeal the oath and the law nhie stood in the way of their superiority. The church eith limbed was • amnion of the law ; the law was a deli d opinion ; sod as opinion changed, the law mut deem (" ilea; bear.") lie was happy to lay that d hea years there bad been snob • change of opinion m maid them to follow a wiser sad more liberal policy rim bed been pursued he former days. The time was whse %she said that the meathen of the legislature should be d me religion. &err wise end good man voted for the roped d the laws which required suck uniformity, but the OM( inthierthee ranted every improvement. At brat the Memel= asked to be admitted. Hut it was said, " If you admit lie diameters the thumb is in danger." The intellMime sad justice of the country, however, admitted ther; Af as interval the Homan catholic asked to be admlttii, and lathier's', mimed another cry—" If you admit thole man ethhollea, protest an t hen will be eedasgend." lhe the enlightened spirit mad justice of the cons*/ admhihil the Rases eathence. The desecrate next, and asked le e be admitted. Intolerance "phi changed its ay, sad add— " If you admit the Jews. you will unchristisain th e Were." (" Hee; hest," and laughter.) Bet the . eased feeling of the coluiry, sad a more eaglet& overcame the opposition, and the Jaw ins mind to a seat in that bowie. (Ilear ldmi lieti Thus, dissenters, Boman catholic; and Jews were easoesstvely silage the walla ofd liament, and Doted& standing the cry of indolence*, had each year tecems. thrive irides°, that the institutions of the country wen Id weakened hat threagthemd, and that the Fromm .d Christianity wee sot retarded but accelerated by the ape& cation of the Christian principles of charity and jurist (Cheers.) Ouse more ea the present occasion the my el intolerance was rained is a modified form, and they ewe called on to perpetuate this vexatious, offensive, sad de misting form - ad oath, the remnant of a dark age, whisk was powerless as a security, though mischievous me II Aimee and an offence. (Cheers.) So much from teas Houma eathedie view of this question. But he stood them to oppose this oath, which he MS to be a grievance to him as a protes ta nt. (Rear. 01 If he west into committee it would be for the purees, voting for the ameedmeet of which notice had been give&— that for revising all the oaths taken by member'. Ohm bear.) His hos. friend opposite and himself took the pee tenant oath, by which they swore that the Pope bed as spiritaal jeriedierioe within the realm. Wee that tree? Mr. ERR, who rose from the hindmost opposith• bench, Mad out, " I think not," which was followed bf great laughter. Mr. HORBMAN—Was that oath which he, the bee. member for North Warwickshire, in common with the right hon. peatienam the member for the University d Dublin. tea, in which they swore that the Pops bad la spiritual jurudietioe within this realm, true? Mr. WHITRBIDR— Yes. (Laughter.) Mr. HORSMAN—But the boo. member for North tor` wickshire could eat sa that, for he repeatedly w of that spiritual juris diction, and warned tivenOrri d . Cle.sing danger from It. Mr. NRIVDROATE rose to explain. What I Mar IS, that he hie by law no spiritual jurisdiction, and I ante speak of the Meese, be exercises otherwise than 6E11140. (`• Hmr bear," and laughter.) Mr. BOWMAN knew that he was on feeder bat whin lia bee. friend said that he swan the 4 11 4 " by law" no spiritual jurisdiction within the n01m..1 10 it in words which were sot in the oath. (game • oath i HOIJSZ OF COM3lol7l3.—Trigavet, MAY 30. The gram= took the chair a few minutes after 12 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The following Bills were read a third time and passed : Cheshire Lines l`raciefer,Chistirdeld, Newbold, sod Doestone Rood, and the St. Philip and Jecieb's NSA (Bristol) Bills. REFEREES ON PRIVATE BILLS. Upon the motion of Colonel W. PATTEN . select cow mimeo was appointed to Inquire Into the operstion of the court of referees on private bills :—Oolooel Wilson Patten, ' Mr. Dodson, Mr. Sillier Gibson Mr. Lowe. Mr. Ed• ward Pleydell Bouvet.* Lord Rob ert Omit, Lord Stanley, Mr. higham, Mr. Schalefield, Mr. Woodd, Mr. Bonham Castor, Mr. Ennis, Mr. Thompeoe, Mr. Clethorue Hardy, sad Kr Jetts Shaky. Five to be the quorum. GLASGOW AND NORTH-WRSTERN RAILWAY. B.r J. FS/COURSON mowed that, the fliled.up bill deo°. sited is the Private Biltolloe, as proposed to be amended, and submitted to the committee on group 22, of railway MIL, be referred to the examiners of petitions for private bills, with iostructiou to examine and report whether the standing orders of the house ha/ been complied with In relation to the bell so amended sad proposed to be submitted to the committee; and that all petitions complaioieg of non-compliance with the standing orders, in relation to the sdd ameoded bill, be referees/ to the examiner', with in stant:time to hem parties and their *genie ad 'Muses thareapes. Yr. BLACKBURN thought the hoe. and gallant insintar wag tak!ag quite au unprecedented course. He opposed the motion. Mr. COCHRANE said the original bill was a perfectly different bill to that lodged Let sight, and those parties who were walla' to support a male line were oot willing to support a partial Use. All they asked was that the lest bill I should go before the examiners. /gr. DODSON thought the motion prem►ture. No alteration@ had yet dec ide effected iu the hill, and it would be for the cammithee to deckle whether the proposed alterations wale advisable or sot. The motion was then withdrawn. ROMAN CATHOLIC OATH RILL. On the order of the day for going into committee oa the Romeo eutectic Oath Rill, Mr. NEWDEGATE roes to move that the house would upon that day six months resolve itself into such committee.' The hon. member said that on the bast °coaster when this bill was debated before the home he wee unable through la disposition to offer any remarks upon it, be therefore trusted they would now allow cum to irtible.ithlele ohtervationo to I their eoulderatioe. lie confessed that with the exoeptionl of the very able speech of the right hon. geutleman the mem ber for the University of Dublin (Mr. Whituide) it did sot appear to him that any speaker on this bill bad entered late the subject-matter of is with anything like the scope which so wide • question demanded. It seemed to bite that the house wee proceeding upon the motion of an individual member, without previous inquiry, to deal with en esesobal part of the sot of the 10th thugs 4th. This bill was the tint attempt that had been sanctioned by the boos. to make any grave or serious alteration of the compact of 1829. He knew that attempts had been made to dispute that the oath was the complement of the act of union. Any man who would take the trouble to search the records of that I bons* and the House of Lords, would find that that act was preceded by a careful inquiry in 1825, and especially in 1825, when the whole subjtht-matter of the relations of Roman catholic* to the papacy, and to the government of this country, were carefully investigated. The act they were now asked to disturb ma, therefore, baud on an ela borate *wry, the result of which, he was sorry to say, bad been Wetted by subsequent experience to a very great utast. ti4ll, there was grave inquiry before the act With passed, and he thought they ought to inquire again before proceeding to infringe that act. Now, two committees had been apposeted to °moister the oaths ta ken by the members of that house—one inlBsoand the other in 1858 ; but neither of them went into the subject-matter of this particular oath. Se strong was the feeling that this house was not to suffer from any alteration of this oath that be would refer the Horne Secretary and other members of the house to the proceedings of thou committees, became they would find that although they went into the oath taken by Protes tants, which was altered by the act of 1818, there was so adequate inquiry into the subject of this oath, or sa to the manner in which it ought td be altered. It appeared to bins that the house was proceeding carelessly in this maater,and if be wanted proof of that it was to be fend in the notice paps" of that day. It was felt by every one that the matter ought to be undertaken by the government upon their respossibibty. (Hear, hear.) The government advised them to go into committee upon that bill, but there was not • single notice on the paper giving the slightest Indicatioa of the alterations they proposed to sauctioo or the parts of the bill they intended to reject Yet the Secretary of State foe the Horne Department had announced that be was not prepared to g o the whole length of the bill. He (Mr. New degate) felt justified in resisting the further progress of the measure until the government should show to the house the gruel end favour of stating ie some form or other the coarse they really meant to adopt when the house went iota committee. This subject had on previous occasions been brought before the house. In 1857 Mr. Deasy pro posed to adapt the oath which WWI that suggested foe the admission of Jews to the convenience of the Roman catholic', and what was the determination manifested by the house on that occasion! There were then preseat—namely, on the sth April, 1857-456 mem bers, of whom 373 opposed and 83 supported Mr. Deaey's proposal, giving • majority of 290 spinet any alteration of this oath. Apia, is 1858, the right hon. gentleman the member for Xildere proposed an alteration of the oath in the same wee as in this bill. There were present 411 mem bers, of whom 345 voted against the alteration and 66 in favour of it, giving • majority of 279. They now came to 1865, with no apparent change of circumstances to justify en alteration of this oath. On the contrary, there were many cireatustanees occurring, not only in this country but throughout the continent, which forbade their tampering with it. They found that in a house of only 328 members, the second reading of this bill was only passed by a majority of 56. Nothing had occurred since 1858 to iodate the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Mansell) to introduce this hill, sad he must he omitted to say that the proposal would have now with better geese from any member who was not • Roma catholic than from a gentleman who belonged to that per ausint (Hear.) This oath was adopt.ed u a compact of good will me the part of the protestants of she Limited King dom towards their fellow subjects of the Romeo catholic persuasion. and after such • manifestation of (eolith, and after the removal of everything in the shape of peasi lees- Litton affecting the latter, Romeo catholic members would have appeared with better grace before the house U they turd committed their cue and this pro posal to some protestant member, rather than ap pear before the house to claim that the engagements under which they had entered it should be cancelled, and at their owe suggestion. Let the house rerners- I her that nos of the bitterest charges directed against it for its conduct of late years had been this—that the House of 0002020•11 had °cadre:tad itself like • rich men's club—that boo. members were careful to consult their own cosmetologists, &ODIOUS to relieve themselves from everything which'hound them to an Inoonveolest future, forgetful to • oertaio ex tent of the functions of the POW, which held a Imp share of the imperial power is thin country, for getful that each member of the hones, had entered upon hie duties boned by the obligation of au oath metier' upon the most solemn term end wadi tiese—upos the conditions at that allegiance which a free tendered I. a °aesthetics's! sovereign. He wished to ri alas that the interval between 1858, when the teat ate rake of the oaths was made. sad the present time, • temper had been mehifested by certain Rowse eatholic ecclesiastics and others which ought to warn them relieving their representatives frost reciting at the MI the house their abjuration of to of those visions doctriees which, ha th anked God, be believed were sever sccepted by the great body of the Romeo catholic of this censtry, bat white. ttgaier Plot Ina Forgatodi modiAr dl ing, _ _ _ hirenineA - - deans and canons , could the name - of the Queen be placed some distinct opens motive& with a bunt i of disapprobation which rendered the paper ; for be held it to be the duty of her 'Majesty's speaker inaudible from the very voices which yelled out a servants not to permit legislation in such a matter except ruination to fight for the Pope ? From whom but a upon their own propose% or at least until the matter had Roman catholic bishop could one bear it laid down that it received their most serious attention. (Neer, hear.) was the duty of a constituency io these islands to exercise Mr. TRF,HERNE seconded the motion. their influence os their representatives in order to induce Mr. GREGORY was extremely puzzled to surmise what I the government of this country to put down a rebellion in the appoiotmest of Dr. Massing or his sermons, or the a foreign state. not Oe any ground of public policy is which sinuses of the magmatic. orders, 031111 have to do with the the interensof Eilland are concerned, but only bemoans that preposal before the house. Indeed he was at a lose Weeder- I tyrannical sovereign was the head of their church, and stand what reasons had been alleged on a recent octanes to they had, therefore a vested interest in perpetuating his have takesinto the lobby a hundred gentlemen missy of thee' 1 1 tyranny sod corruption. There Is no divided allegiance. as Irishmen, and twelve of them members of the late geweeu-1 was apprehended. The allegiance In wholly give to One emit, to vote against a measure of the commensal demise, person, and nothing is left for the Queen but yells of die. and justice . It would, perhaps, he illiberal toattribute the, aapppprmobatten and the accusation of having starved two opposition the hill had received to that spirit of Pliatimises millions of her subjects." Non toss Mee verbs. Those words which led people to thank Providence that they were not aPP•stud In a hints' orris in the year he had reentioped, as other moo. He would appeal to the boon whether They most look a little at the eircumstsome of the Roman pearl oonteisions, whether to Roman catholic or to catholic body in Eaglacid. The ecclesiastical thief of the die-enters, had not proved elements of strength rather the t e l i t d Oardinal We ems was no more. He had been sue- of weakness to' the church— whether the Tithe Bill of 1832. by the Rev. Dr. Maiming. Now what had been the the i re p e al of ministers ' money more remedy, a4reitsiihn charanevinice of that reverend person ? Had be show, legislatioe n favour of English nonconformists, had sot lain scM to he a mom* catholic moderato oninioss f Ones nerd the rancour which used formerly to be mabilested to a clergyman of the church of England, did his °pistons seem wards the estebliehtnest S As to that part of the oath to be temperate at al? Why, it had almost becomes maxim w hich related to the son.d.position of sovereigns,be bad bees of Roman oatbolics that those who hail been recently WO. much struck with an expression of the Chancellor of the vested to that comsouoioe were zealous and extravagant in Exchequer. The right hoe gentleman laid, " It does mein their views. (" Hear," sod cheers.) In August, 1859, there to me most extraordioary to ask any one to say that be appeared is the Tablet this declaration by Dr. Massing — thinks no Qom shou l d be mindere& It is absurd, sad worse 1 ever there was a land in which work is to be done, and that. absurd, it is contumelious to ask a man to declare that perhaps mach to be suffered"—speaking of those with whom be will not do a deed which the very Innen@ employed he intended to act—" I shall not say too much if I say that shows to be one of the darkeet enormity. It le eskiog him we bare to subjugate or subdue, to conquer and rule an to declare that he is not totally devoid of moral feeling." imperial will. We have to do with a will which rules (Cheers.) The boo. gentleman (Mr. Newdegate) bed throughout the world as the will of old Rome quoted medimvel writers sod schoolmen in favour of the did. We have to hood or to break that will which nations assassination of kings. But were not similar sentiments ex. acid kingdoms have fond invincible and inflexible. Were pressed by Knox and Buchanan amongst the preebyterians ; heresy once conquered in England it would be conquered and did not Poyoet, • protestant Bishop. of Winchester, throughout the world. All its lines meet here, and there- write that " the deposatlon of kings and the killing of fore the "Church of God"—zoeanio the popish church— tyrants was most true, and just, and consonant with the " must be gathered in its strength . " Now he asked the Word of God ?" Besides, who was it that murdered Mary house to oossider the meazdog and purport of these words. of Scotland , or Charles I. of England ? Who was it that Last autumn Dr, Manning preachill • sermon on the open- deposed James II When boo, members doubted the ing of a catholic) @honk is Leamington thoroughly in ac- allegiance of Roman catholic@ to their sovereign be would oordarce with the oohing, published by him in 1859. It remind them of what happened when the Armada set sail was published in the Lesetienow Courier, and DO coots- against Elizabeth, an eloommunicated Queen, the admiral's diction of the report had been made. Dr. Manning bad galley beating a banner blessed by the Pope. Who emu- been speaking of the church of which be is a member ; mended the fortes at Tilbury. but the venerable Iced be said— 'The church of God is of divine creation, and rests Montague, attended by his son and crude= And who' on divine rule." Aod mark the following words—" And is commanded the fleet which shut up the Armada, but Lord administered by divine persoas." Re asked whether these Howard of Effingham ; both Roman cathodes. As to the were sot extreme opinwes as to religions troth, upon which oath whist disturbing the existing settlement of property, had been (maid Wes mischievous anitimptiose of which he believed hie right bon. friend the member foe the Jesuiti had always bees the exponents in matters tem- Limerick, and many other Roman catholic gents.- poral and spiritual ; and whether them wds. coupled with men, would suffer In much from any such the expreestoos seed by Dr. Manning is 1859, were not disturbs's°, as any one. Although there were only sußleteateo justify the more moderate Homan catholic, inch 11,00n,000 sores in all Indeed, the Wad which had at (lift ea this late Duke of Norfolk, the grandfather of the present rent times been (medicated amounted to 14,58,000. There duke. sod Lord Beanmest (whose friendship, he was happy could thus be warmly any part of Ireland that had not to say, he enjoyed), in the faille." of aneoyaste which they been emdiscated ; and the Romeo catholic proprietors were experienced at the appeiatment of Dr. Manikinss to the . therefore se roach interested as any in keeping things as imprimis control is matters etelesisetioal aoneeLed with ' they wort, Thee es regarded the oath against attempts to their church, Bo asked say member of that house whether subvert tlie church establishment, he cOuld not conceive it ems enrolment& foe these who canted then eye batik ! &Mang mem humiliating thau fee a he/meet MO members angel Won 4•4 Jaw km ear ag i gia Skßiellea al 110 1 $9 V. Ole bawls of le de lb mug% 2110 sfed bat. gia tied coarse .._ (prep, -' Mr•i - - fur -- if ---) 1 - 0 - ok - thought was the moat just and the mat onamiliatory to all his • Be • • orwita• the same -tin ' parties. The Roman catholic oath might be divided howollsble friend, and be biww what into four portions. Of these the right hum- howwwthl• frien d meant to Weer, but he hr able gentleman proposed to omit the f a sonmble friend wes just the person to ask ROOM which it was &eland that the person who the oath twthollow I. _Ulm the weeds of an oath without my WWII' renounced and abjured the opinion that princes exoommn. title Or albleval rewarvatioe. (Putt cheering.) That s : nicated by the Pope might be doomed Or murdemd by their the &Sulky they ware io. He did not mean to ley subjects, tic. He (Sir J. Pakingtoo) for one had no °bloc • they could be soused of swearing falsely. It was mud Ai ties to omit theme words from the oath. He thought that was meant was legal Inti•diction but th ough others mutt minima the existence of such • tenet as th e above was aceept that soktios , it did not satisfy him. He confersi canine an affront to Roman catholic gentlemen., and be was be took the oath under coercion, b"in" the altawch,.-1 willing to cosiest to the omission of these words. (Hear.) was excluias from that house What was ier Then the right hon. gentleman proposed to make a change ioriwilotk• ? Iwielit7 was of two bi ie what he might call the sewed portion of the oath, in which established by law and legality suffered by law. The it was declared that the Pope bad sot, and ought not to have. member for Barth Warwickshire knew Dr. Ullathorse. Id any spiritual or temporal jurisdictionwithin the realm, h a laugh.)Wow Dr. Ullathorne bed jurisdiction which Pe ill To th at change be (Sir J. Pakingt) had no objection. exercised la Warwickshire ender the mandate of tb Then same the third portion—" And Ido solemnly m i me . His was not • spiriteal jurisdiction established by kw," e r! testify, and declare, that I make this declaration in the the law did Dotdareto prouttatebite. Furthermore, the 1 . 1 plain and ordinary meaning of the words, and without any appointed bishops with territorial jurisdiction to Lrelesdi evasion or mental reservation." Well, these words, be this Jurisdiction was recognised by acts of parlisseset la thought, might very natura ll y be deemed to be o ff ensive. wittch, the bishopw••• .1•0010" d by tbe h ,_, liii t Whether or net it wee worth while to have raised • ooetro. awl th ose MU of earliammt were "maw" versy respecting them, which had been at rest for 30 or 40 •by the crown. (Hear, bear.) It appsered to IZ years, it wee not for him to say. But the question baring I therefore, b ed to be very like elliwlntrl,,,to,_ the sedan' beau pat, and parliament having been celled epos to say aye I° o Pi** " spiritual jurisdiction wwww cc. ' &jag or no to this particular paragraph. he rout code= if h. (Hear, War.) But whether that were so or sot, he . lake were a Roman catholic he should look upon the impositio• . feel it a great relief if be were never called upon to •of such a deoluatior es au affront to a man of truth sad i " 1 , 1 .. 1 t with, for tern and twist and argue it as t_,b•r m = ' honour. (Hear, hear.) He now came to the fourth part of . t h ey Wok It i n a Deere which bod iit it more w the oath, and with regard to Met portion of it be could sot *Me of truth. (Hear hear.) All persons be believed um bold the same l e aguer. This portion of the oath m i g h t I agreed that alineosiary oaths were °bitten . ..6bl} ,thi l ,• be divided into two parte. The fret part says, " I do swear i oaths of doubtful oonatutetion were immoral, and tnst,__fir that I will defend to the utmost of my power the settlement ' st ri ctly. oaths limitioe the (onetime of one elms sad Pm of property within this realm as established by the laws,' • monopoly l to another must be uncoostitatiottaL _,llO I and the woo e d—"l do hereby disclaim, disavow, and ' •Pinta In the hoses to go • step further 'ge rm solemnly abjure any iateatios to subvert the present church to say that caw which implied • stigma "Y^ establishment as settled by law within this realm. sad I do oao Masi were li•Joat, impolitic, sod °Moore. La og w, Kama!r swear that I never will exercise any privilege to beer.) He wee ms • 01 . 00 • 10 for One uniform oa th . "" .. I which I ass or may become entitled to disturb or weaken would , bo. L a great rorrowrdatios, if that , oa th 11w.iriC 1 the protestant religion or protestant government in e earlea ri rreVittneeo simplicity . Meer. mu .) Be "', lire United Kiogdoto." In the year 1841, Sir R. Peel in the to see no ea* t that of allegiance. (Hear, hear./ .---_, coarse of a speech on the questios of thee. oaths, said he • was „•• ma which every Mee in the house could...._bi h ,__Am" - thooght the noble lord (Result) acted wisely in sot disturb. www• " 6 " for al goorPo••• ( Hear, beat.) Than 'P....me O M the Roman catholic oath of 1829, se fez as ft ag the oaths was the best sad only security freed ace id . = related to the security of the settlement of property. - bwitta. .thww• 11101r3 , That oath IG ( anisisat r" " 1 I ...14, After giving the most soxions consideration to the questiou takes b y eemy ern would pet au es se equa li ty a nd ....^ bow far it was possible to reconcile the views of the right them together in me great hoed of maimed 010 1 1 00 h„......j, , hos. gentlemen opposite, and the views of thine who bwotherbood• without digthieties of erect or sect' i'...--- thought that the oath should be maintained, he was die. Ho Weed with the hoe. and the right hoe. potions WI pond to adopt the view of Sir R. Peel, and to my that be this rue littn ought to be brotight forward as tb•,___„, weld not relax that pert of the oath which referred to the rdwl i Z a„. h (Bear. bear.) Bit! , th e w""'„„ 1.1 ,, e , ies settlement of property, mid still less could be cooseet to 0 2,, . ..,_ 00 •• lb s oo ,_•d_its *ad,. to,_iedg• of Yoe. " ••",,,..„ 1 --- tts relax that part of It which referred to the se c urity of the' (Bear.) shie ld,___•°••,____,..,_ ,____,w• glad if the ht ,_,„ w 7i.„ --- b ie is of protestant institutions of the country. He was wry that masher or zAm•r". `"""'"'""°' '"" bill, " . ....___ Li '" "-- ---,„,, firth the Roman catholic* sought to relax IA oath which woe the ' thClP•wwww•sh. It we. wet right that _ 4 _ _,___••°'°",,..•-- eq am aal u ty ea wi thei th ice th ei e t il m prow ed zk eir nt ral f ig i na low , .0-coarot.euntirlienn.i. were r i. thdho e peinewm aket "1t ia nr iedgi .......77... d . d. 5. , : — ..p... .....A ulz eoodition on which they won Awed cot terms of :•• though this wi th _,.____ . .woo • 11 40000 • 0 _,_ _,____...... llthwiw ii ... , ~...ro es, Teml serious for the protection of theirs. A dellbsyste estilemeat fore ha =at the dwwwwwlat ought '' I marinade is 1819, sad he did ad think that the Rome celibo. things. was equally dictated y polinitha P ic i ha nos might to seek to overturn it, or that • priguesell punts. Kiblero4 most ought to 'suede. These were the views with which be' Sir. H. CAIRNS—Ws, before we go to • divisico 0t... appalooliall tie asatidalatioa at this aatailias. sad hi woes • this modes, I amid be glad, w ith the w 1 1.1.7 genii doped eek the NORM be dwell leaky foss the Weft to date Wily the pose& on whisk s h all d.- v, Ir.. • ----------- orsiM t - yeas: sad l a ' arta animal to ele lima i w tealsosa te 00 .,th i s seas ta , glesSeibas des E lio * s e. i . o g — , k ilee aws hey* ba if Osleasseis mole w are etseassior, Nati _ye s tire tim• wb" arrric Pcc't4" as Us weetlbyeeme ..13 ril• *Worm r ;sel lee. 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Tim say as imas a niartios to evade assist not to be w with both tile if ; bemuse In bad Whiteemeary—that flid to the teoliap (Sear. bear.) BO allies altentisa. a , a lteratioss, I would :e—Prlnizol spOlmeent of prq try law. sad td solemnly ab present church withia Ode realm, will exereise any Wide& to Mans art" 6 EOVIITI2I . reambln , tie oath say, " shawl bemuse il I bee. member bas 1 Isieras. Do they *take that oath, Si church establi I""tadi S no lar EMMISiit e au :bilged cemanal at at the *lli I l?ro eutli ligL at7l ;liii; limit huti ilkkteatb , fres, I Ire please, and is as imnedin be_ frem tbe Tr s,bi or not? I firs weeks. Bow di the iatseduetic GM* email emu stating that be I lobed thumb. N I mistake not, he itcbat I nese It bad made matradiet it. elms* in 4 *lig es the Keg t breach ass woe 'beget! teethe fetes oil ,sot to I that we op put of the It bee • arit 31 =1:4 IA lea za .,. DIM gad birreel: ablest ie. It drib, establish li 0 rimarkabli r ezb:;: b .e g lielistassa rl ih r directimi ad th.7l 4 :e elm i law Om wits Aura v. anew sad to se y ~ e Smfo.ethse, al both umi at hie ows lamb lestesties wieettwow el t all teems 11 (Row, hem) *angst to ask Part? Half past Ss the 5 way el pewee iZiblot fs e el:sit I ram:oath bete fc . bees the 1 lied Wokohm s awe lbw pa ms tet the me paoloe bows • wens co = Z o e bee ot when he bad lib* moat to bow they am Weep to prim bay* further t, wake She M.- fee 0 the Sbei be -- itterprota !!Ith the ostl time salad add, " that a Mar ? m ote is subvert tl sat to aware ter %s pars Abort° be tl liwastat. Tle kept %viola rtsCal C to *use it' =r em it har.) boom. gar edema way wiesea, ta • way at swastia• a &rasa cat Vet fun ars Wee& *Meek aye %Mess el V Ws *MI Is Its ea I want tc sonata" al oath, sad hay• we, reader tbi be. s Wei