The Express. — London, England, 1860-06-05 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. 110178 Z OP' LORDR—Mos." Jinn 4. The Loma Quacimun took kia mit es Os wades& 61 Sys deka. _ -- Tire Bari at 811•111211,11 CIT pfleillia • to for the trooral al Ur Wardle' m ta r s d tlis is Us rorszerst sebooim of Isdis ; alas polirlses I Vs cif arca rata . . _ whose s I and plans f tram mead poor-law carer la nharl. pegbg ar es imam ia airy ; sloe a radian bola the eery Me. died Pram:tam Safety, qat i that nohland aadiaai at Irelead t formed iris asilleney iar tit. election et awe ap...A. felled Imo to say he did ea epoe la the pre of tl.tpeltiNas. Lord IA v WEB presented rlMie.. laftswer el Vie absi- Um of dards rates. Trued - 71; lircief - CLameost preemiei pedileas be the IMO effect _ . - 1 " .71 Ds Gan red ltirce *..obi petitions from Dart tmot LOodoildre. le the mom 'So .1 .1 1 a r a {i a promoted a prates L Cher h eatry to the some effect. THE NATIONAL to ropiv to Lad ilfcorrtsolt. Earl Irk GREY sod RIPON said Wt b. would toy ea W table of akar lordripd berme Ur report dUr win• roar as the marry debases of tbs merry r soon r ko right bow friend (kr. d Hubert) bid it sr Ur tar d W rim bore. Tlis rum of re Aar to reerilig awes fret the cirounistsoos tatY.rspet bad to be kid Wore the seilitary sororities foe their erwidarsiro. BANE OF IRELAND BILL. The Sart at ti [EXAMS moved the seeted old& hill. UM select of which was to mem tbe whisk the Beak of Inked were sow prevented heft al vaneths mosey on real property by 'my et misst . There wee so sorb restriction imposed ow the BRA el Woad ar W Bank of ficorbeit Alter a for wards tram Lord MONTIAGILJ, NM 1821 woo mad a woad tuna Pr RUC The Earl of WU el this NIL 'AtENTS BILL :I' mo►ed the third reed* After • few I.lllllAs brat the If argehi d B•umentr, the bill vas reed a third time. TR ÜBTRIB. X OBTA GEES, U., BILL. This l was resassiaitted. . _ Lori CRANWORTH proposal some verbal aineudiwAs, which w weed to. El'[ CAL MOUNTS JURISDICTION BILL The report d aneadraunte in this bill w received. REFRESHMENT HOUSES AND WINE LICENSES BILL. This bill w brought op from the Oommes, awl nal a livt tun, Rut GRANVILLE Axed the second rsaMtg for Tossasy. REPEAL OF 81.1 i J. BARNARD'S ACT BILL This bill was also brought up from the Commas, sod fled s B>K tiara The home soljoorned at • few minaM. Wan mix o'clock. HOl3ll OF OOMMONB.—MoNDAT, Junis t The tirsizaz took the chair et 4 o'clock. PRIVATE BILL& . . _ The following bill; were read a third time asts m i ss Border Counties and North BAY • Dover Gas ; Dumfries Lochanabsa, mod laissay Railway ; Newcastle-opon•Typs rid Claillds law and Port Carlisle Dock and Railway, and Wide and Bay Railway and Dock Companies ; and Newry, Warren point, mad ßostievor Railway Bills. The following bills were considered and ordered to be read a thins time : hykabury and Buckingham Railway ; Caledonian Rail i f . Leansilisgew kc.) ; and Man Blink Drainage PAN3ING TOLIA Mr. FEN WICK pre notice for a fatare day that he should move far Ism to inteoduce a bill to abolish paaaing toll. THE REFORM BILL. m.r. sal:train w e soak; that that upon tee motion that the riprekes leave the chair in order t ha t the home should go into conisaittes on the bill for sassading the repseenta is of the ersopla he should propose that setae ether soma bar of the limits than Mr. Maessy, the mpenber for Heifrid, should take the chair, in cyder Uwe Um taw might have the hens& of that hon. gentlemen's assistance in its deli berations is committee. He fraud in Hr. May's book on Parliamustary Practice" that it was earaprtent for bin to prow.: a motion of this kind, sad he lewd to appeal to the Sioaker to instruct him as to the prides mosmat at which he ought to bring it forward. Th.• sPEAJLER observed that if the has essilinsa bad communicated to him his intention to put the quail= he should have been pmpared to answer it with greater err homy. His impression was that if the question arose in I:mutilate. the proper time would then arrive fur requiring the soistaace of the house, THE GREAT t'L(Xli AT WEEMEINSTER. Mr. BOWYER asked the Find Conintiniumer of Works if there wee any objection to give order, for means to be need to tame the ekek to strike the hours upon the la amr ,d t i er.bell (the chimes being silent) until a new greeM a ll have beets east and fay approved. He alai, begged to inquire whether the cause of the defect in the great bell had been ascertained, and if another bell was to be pro. lewd /HAMAN said he mos desirous of adding• apes the saussubject—mob, when the right am war sae would be prepared to titre the tome gods' of may fietorm nation to which he Isismitentimad r telleramsele the great bell, and whether mould the so Wan say further outlay had been i11et117.4. Mr. COW PER said he had secured the Write and now in .4 a gentlesnau of high scientific attainment. spas tbs subject, but the inquiries that had been instituted WOO net yet completed. He thought he should not be justified Is stet:og that the great bell would again be struck within. couseharable danger, but, on the other hand, a did Beams pear that it was absolutely opiates that the lad 11111111111111 taken as a temporary arrangement wee tow the Issiest quarter bell for striking the biers, and the remaining bells fur striking the quart?rs.._ _ THE PAPTS DUTY. The O'DONOGNUE reed the he.. member for the Tower Hamlets (Mr. Aries) whether it waa hie intention to premed with the mattes of whirls he had siren notice lon Tlmmaley seat with refers es to the pew duty. Kr. 4YIITON said he had gives antics of the moll= wader the imprenalon time the boom would hare torn in of the report d tie committee on preocleota, but ea that rep tl wee nal likely to be promoted by that day, be ehuwld 51/sr the notion. .1111211017111111 Or RXlm; Mr. N. /SYMONS abed Ms Praline d tie Seri at Tema it be meal it tie oh, as shish be wadi Maim pleaird MI Is may we the ermaimerbslsa al Iles Maaar el Saw Oesmiesiniss es ha as they Masi Is &lag Litter fry the lareassest .try baskae. Mr. N. OUNOM mid he an meth Se is • kr fa• trodaciag Ow bill, sr it sus `sett, i lir lbstikee ararrtais the bile ddr eels* ammaila Is sit& Iles the boa tin he ft Iva NIL PaN) bed bees nisirra, irmarili as Oil MI ore/id peashiess sesi► less tio Ouse asseasi is is MS ei t i h i sremesa. THE WAS, IN a lk J. seed via mom tbs aa4 lassial to aka is Mamma ts.the mad lime war. ifs CHANCELLOR of the EXCHRQUER rid be bad reagired ea mummer fir the boa g "War ends 'ratios to pia the agars, bat he bad sot yet had aa cia= of earrsttiaatiag with Ids right ham. Mead the for Mt v. to whoa department it had mono iris. I relater, sad he wee therefore 'aside to do more them to state the actual prowielos to the war which bad beam already Dade by • 'deaf credit for 030.000 f. bad beat tribal fen liamacisl par 11100410 bat ealy • portioa of that seam would hi evadable halm the p'e'at year. Them am also • maw at between 1,111411100 W. sad 1,210.0001. ischided is the catenate. fur the pregame year, ead• farther Togo of credit was proposed to be tar d 500,01101. Prom the affirmation which had bees 'waled hum the Mak be thought the probable charges would be gar, ties le lamer Les, list full istatuataJa would be gives la the hems ea the proper tiocasiots. Mix J PAKINGTos usdrrelood hula the st War ~as • forgoer ewers that the .Merest would be able Lt lay Lusa tbe table the probable 'ad ef lb. Chilton war. He wish., to know whoa It see likely that intonation w... 11.1 Ire ~ttsmunicaterl. The I'HANCELIMR of the EXIMBQI•ER N ag tam wan a question for the florretary at War to answer maze than hnuaelf. But he should suppose that ►ia right haw trend would be able to furnish the iritemafin mein& THE IWO= NL On the otlier th• dsy far riftleSe asismittee 011 the bell for amending the reTweentatios d the people, The SPEAKER objectod to several issbeie ato the ceennUttee which **tic. had been gives. se beim ant sd easier, and they were struck out. Mr IiFoNTINCK, who had ea irtArliedial OM the oiipar that the committee should not proceed further With tho bill until prevision lied been made for giv be Me cows- Um is Macleod that .hors iu the to whisk they May he .bows to he en aad property. cueteoded, rootwithrtanding ter P =e do mews, that thin metro. tem wee in .pint, V soli is Qs letter, admissible. The bus. (oedemas we poesesii. wimps lir. Hoes/mix sad Mir O. Geer rose swessodwrly So order, amiss thrt 1.1,,..re was uo qiustiou before the hems. Mr. BIGNTINCK thew mewed the edjemmeset el the boom, mil Shoo argued his iiwtructioe. Mr. T. DlTNyint E oi.mteil to thi ; nid The WRAP= decided th.t the audios meet be la yore., roseksslos his docidoto la to the issinotiow big wt 011 strike. and whim the Louse to revere' it HINTINCIE said he would n.. this motion, awl mu premed*. Mem Lerd J. Beams rid Mr. Ries sucoassividy ieteirepted, Mai he wee *win the lei his inetrwides. = lii matter hi siotios. Th e with some reephee* Mew Ibis ob.. *aim he be cancel lir. abed arepred 9i•rabyeet, sad west ft to wise mother bsiguides. S. which mu oialsolds• ow undo, that the linsillOP lIIPM power to mho yrevielm ter Me hefty of bribery mil commies M elertims. 1W J. mid tbet the mud mum bed bees M perride ler Me baher sepeemitetiew et the preple by Mom THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY -EVEI94Ip, 2 1:p NE 5, 1860. ear inlet hablatra. sad the eaglet eIV Goa ow' at smirks fierier by another ; sad le alt read be beret to adhere to that rem ME wear set three to tir ceembise coridering the latter gauss if it Irel e ferrard. At the sans tire lie lei aria faith isttesisehaveL sem naik Mr. Benairk's retraction' • eueleidag me wately lery and ( orielaprea.is raid se Wt defer by adding to the testnerisa the wade. " tint relies lee takes by et." The eat it wadi eat be in order to add these writ to the inelnaellaa. distWioaos their Swim Its ragas& Loa IL OEM. atom aeon. wog tint it wee weszely Se eseihl e te issi " Ned ' tie Id on Loommt list MI br anwed tLraroo at task chat width mbar Lo sow guilty of lassodasi Law : sad rarred M s moan he is Wires- La In t paps with rotormoo to pravflasfee Wang IL poll of idoodose by arm of vase }ores Is Le Lew of lb. lISWAIsf, as* shish ohs thialms. pelima Ld ILO is the astut e , the oath lor emm tdas as oaisiss that Lot pima 1111S_IPI4111_111 Xvi. IP. I pits! ont that the covert oldest of aR Wee sinsmo7rsiMiwo to tits essaitbso al shish sods bid lista *so, is siliias to somorest sassrlassto, vat to &LS Le Rohm MI by Sand le tbe amuse at No ebsleM, Mr. B. /I=KMIMIT nil that dam& be we Net • pen eibniellr el obeli. be bed essopted but los thelood kat Y obseld he known tied es emir, tint the enimetion to kdid not pwoasd hese an like roweinnenii side el the bean, het hen the dim dds. (Ironing arms hem lin ) If. Mid be aeon noes lion the to tie bill an lb ether Sat. (CAM " from tbe appoint' testa)) Tles erlLiEllit yr ben ankniesd to may net the ham nenher wee net in oder in ming _tin word " seem" Mr. M. 111111XELZT prenserd to say that tires ores e ink set neer is flie pinto , —Onstior)—len notking meld be nor h Oper thin - the boning iegother al the wet be awns tbe bill n Wired mower in = done en Attir the ionewees m =sZ led sane of tienn ming is any me, shed alter the women, , sontemnie tiny bed beil, k a rather aging tee wadi ea ask an ly le art Om to believe sew Mid they okskei be hstradnee panty et elsolione as , a . Mint pinkie We the MO, and tint one the meson y propene& the remise resslnkm Dee emery wee Imre that the MII nee dieheletel to ben goillonon sprain. ind inn they is einythint in their pewee be presseli pe r lone thing bed ben slid obese inteareng try moan oi =ipapmw. Me nab lied were is amen la to omen hiporkke widoit = i nto the system al elestione, be weeM eel era but be would adopt the emb Nei roseedy—ainer i thi ballot (Ineglier. soil derbies there hen the opposition.) The bill Valid eernialy be brown =far it mai net staid spinet the deny, bed arils hi in pregreem It wee =I inderneed not it wield le - *town out by mesas. He did set Oak the government wire In tank on that accouat. (bonsai &sue from the oppeokiem) They bed done disk best to pose n HIM, % in t cheers.) All be would i sei ct won, let those ben. who thought proper to it ban the eousequeeese with the pe on their own milder. (Rem) Mr. BLANEY objected to motives being attributed to either side of the house, sod suggined • system of mutual concessions as the beet means of anivng at • practical result with regard to the bill, Arnim that if they did sot succeed in a reform bull this radon they might get one fee next year. (Laughter.) If Am . thought the fninchhe was teo low IA these berg in • 6i)l ki Agee (I.hu,ghter.) Ha spoke bone* One be nit wt be believed the franchise was tee tow. (ltenneed needier.) He thought a 6/. franchise we tee beer. (Deer .) He spoke the .minion not merely of jusibmess de the oppo sition side of the house, but the opines cif many peke , men on that (the government) side. (Oprilian their.) He believed, that 661. rating franchise would aid seen with general concurrence. The motion was agreed to. The SPEAKER (in reference to two other 1•061/21/-0•0 by the hoe. member for Athlone, Mr. Itinis—"Tleali A be ea instruction to the committee that it is expedient trig owe uniform oath should he adminietered to all meenbura em tabs[ their mate in this hour, and that such oath shall be is future that d allegiance and fidelity to the succession only ;" and the other by the hon. member for Waterfowl, Mr. Haired— " That it be an instruction to the committee to frame end insert in the bill a form of oath in lieu of those now taken by each member of this house upon taking his seat, without any distincticm as to religious lecomina- Mao or praisraion") rid the two notioes of instruction— that of the boo. member for Waterford and thaa t of the boa member for Athlone appear to me to be oat of cede., and both of them for the same reason, but for • reason entirely different from that which I gave why the other instructions were out of order. The other instructions were out of order because it was competent for the committee to take the subject into con sideration without any instructions • hest these are out of order because it would not be compe tent for the committee to take them into emoideration even if they were inasmuch as it has been ruled that all bills and mod:l7. ' l l 3'- Iring to the orate of old members of this house must re in the first instance through a preliminary committee of t he whole house, and a resolution of such committee must be If, therefore, it was attempted to pace a clause to the old seated members in committee of the bill, without • resolution el • preliminary committee, it would be out of order. I condoler this to be • fatal objection to the propmed swine for these ingredient Mr - .IKASSARD aid, after the intimation of the Speaker's opinion, he of erne should not attempt to proceed with hie motion. Xr. S. FITZGERALD made some observation which was sot ',Wilde in the gallery. The iiPEAKER anid it would be very irregular to give a couditimal power-4hre the hems should have the power to do something in the even* et aruesildag else being dose. It waa objectionable and umesemsey,hsemme if • eamentliee of the whole hones were appeireed surd sr altaratite d the oath was carried, it weld be aseepatiet at ray tine to move an isstatailae to the samilitin to ion mit es alteration in the Lord J. KUMIELL-1 now ries to move that the ham go Into nom ngletee cm this bill, sod in doing so I cannot re frais from soeislag the objections that have been made, sot In thin home bat ant of doom, to oar proceeding with this bill, end draw ties cotes which the governmeot intend to take. Now In ties bet place I will answer a question whit* we reed some time ago by en hon. gentleman sitting co this aide of the house. He sated me whether it was oar intention to proceed with the botch end Wok bills in the coarse of the present session. I could sot give him an answer at the time, but I stated I would oe • future oocaskin tell him the views of the government an the subject. I now esy that consider* thee immiling • sew opinioa the English bin should ge tate seeendtko, and that the franchise to be settied by thee till should be agreed use, sad in het wonted to by perinceset before those bins ere mended with, we woe expect that we can proceed with either the Scotia ar the Irish bile in the coons ef the preheat session. Mar.) That, heinwer, does not swear to as to be say MAUI% for not prom& Ng with the bar that mane keel.- mitten We swain. (Hair ' bear.) With repel to the preasat hell, I least Wail the vanities of the grate sad al this bows in 'wiped Is IL I ses not going too elate ter petition of cm side of the bows or the —to make say reproach to the other side of the hews with regard to their emidnet es to tide ; but I amain MGM, pceitioo et the boom generally , including bele Mee m thim gentle& I. doing so I wish seriously ie esti the Weak= eir the house to the sub je ct, balsam if the eberectoor al the p. venneent is isvdved by the mama which they have h. traduced end in the tine d ketreekang it, the character at the house is also impliestal by We week in who* they deal with th..t ineseure. (Bear, hear.) Now, sir, there an Ore different questions which min; LW, with regard to We substance of the weaver% end mat, with sword to the now in which we pawn new to paned Who it in eon. .Mee. With word Seth enbelease of the wiseeen I will only nomedies r ele tica lled it te a thaZt IS WWI during the sewed howl ell railled, and upon which the of km asswers destructive of weperty. givira femme* prow over hteMpuee, tending to Wafeekma to Ow Woh. wr lowed. What I speak of is the beesaglo treambise • and t h at franchise, without wow amealinehe piths: hilly the rate at whisk it k propeeed te be is intended to be confereed with • view. serteinl iPi r of evil/ more power in the meeseetetion ef this house to tie working awes. (Haar _bear.) Ti abet preposition two objections of thiamin bids have been week It wad be admitted, 1 tick, widish mew* he what we. dew la WI, that at theperand time very few penow Meg to the working drew haw the right to vote. La hen. gestkown, at prawn the umber lees the Wahl/ding, stated iu the mune el wer dimeirelsee la the wet year, that though he led_seny essa in bin limploymemi al pest Mien coos, haniMoldere gmai distawler and peat re. apectatwuty, in when he e , * sewilded, not cab et the.. awe bed a TIP* fie vote. Other inatanewe have hew we& by ether hew putleaten al a aludier Mod. Well, them, is it the objection that meow el the working slams ehould be admitted to the finechise, or is it the °Wanton Net this bill wash give web a pewee to the webby elms, that they would everwbabe the PM et the 'oasts- Prany, aed thumb, have la endwindwase ever property (Oppwition cheare.) Wilk wiped Si the fret oNt, I should say that en keg ago as INT the tight hog, pedlawan the member for Heelse .id be wee plead-1 do sot quota hew " Iderowd.' bat I have it partway frome he amid aid bekiwis plowed that I wheinfail bin the work* her ought to bow the trenchea whoa we woo dimenselag the mantra last year, the pules whisk was oasis loy nee to Me House of Ossweams, and whisk wee ferried toy a wegility, vies in the bet Owe that the awe far of the totipf vein hew esannise need not to he mei, awl In the awl place Oat rent did sot meths • winenkos in She borough fragelase ; that is to W. thm objeeNtra wai that there was not an we. a the vwhimere° hf taw Woll, p aliwasat wee he. solved won veto end the grownwent returned here. The right hen. gentleases this armor for Baths elated en fanner occasion abet timogonoworret to whisk be and ef which be was or had" WI wade b eg= there should he • medneken fa the borough awry... awl V" ha wee Premed to sweat to a what'" ? senne puled with such provisione am would gated tie.= a oar Institution., The right he. and I hope he still swabs, am the MOM 1111 — & - i1;11 petty _ km/ sees I sated, I hire sees it in print, Fathaletilimpbsii. geat=e fr ir u hrm s ep the rbati eerao; will state where I have seen it. I hire eau it in the periodical whieh is supreed V ‘ e w the mom the mem sull e r4irty the tertertetig SW le ' hi to towit, aad I s d the alms nght ha bits& the enles 4 lotimiiiase. I semi bet wiped at Wert. Them wee shit pent ow if dal, eed sew* of mem were le amid kr tai by &rpm ver. That I w our prime ell slam se I moil es be teed I ma vym& =ler . I foam& thaimpa of the cusamelive= Vght hos. the maim fa fer hens ismied _to hle mwortity el the seelleise el the rnavo party. (Ones el " No, Ise hers the egmellies.) I quits epee with that bum t maks beam the ihellmes Dee was his tem * the high posi es *sea be* ass el the lessed—by gred "lOW ha e restart of pales able sid efineeinee it hie bue Ids hefts to pee from NM Me el the hems te eis UM% his mead the el thin Aim the be wee hey ma- Ille ill =asiest the halms d lies may. Therefore I are alder sit. ef the mien of the rig* lei. gestlemen se WEI porring the rialles egg @ae great eeneenativet . party - Khmers trim Ves ) Men ties, I sm, with reprd to the masetima or so way *e mites chars shoehl lave Vie aid whether Were aged be • marelles of the hie for ailat' ea gspomv we have se p = i t tl ite of the majority d the be Int hem the asimil sad the someilika ger it a a has. gendlema et the ems the peel/ sus hat yes, is dim The plead hen Isirodsoed a bill which they theset did not carry the frau chime lower than it eight to be placed. You may decide if we have led tee such aerates,, tee much faith, hi the waking sides - Mims hems eft d • swim& ree Thee yea am ay, but Vai to MS queen of =I; the hs midis el tia. a•kia•iii ou elleistlse lea the eisee el fie i c e, fese it is mile chi met mg* to hem egoism& the seem/ reed leg ef the he Perri ham) TM if sot do se mid thereiere I weird, est yes ere ad/ to comier the manes el the slashes el the Tlinime I see Need. 1 thick, ► Meg lath ries el the beim to gp eunaillee, hens" the priMille beim addible Se =Male to dee ftme that peeps emit be med. im flionee we lase /sewed the feesehiee wide is hi the be. I heed seam elnisellsee to that fressitee. I have heard it aloha tha M meld hi seed ovawbelin property ad Ishilimece. Thai alpha she a questa= for the torriailes This / will say, that if you_ will jprepin any measure that has been inedid this emehicellber by raising the fraeohise, by maim its Ming Mimi of a natal franchise, or by Meg the assest et reds% or is smother way which limber rimier netmdstiltimg agrat number el voters who we nittemeheill the of pro cloc=el hiewledge mew propestlios a lidkind shall be hely — ... end by as is 'amities, aid I certainly will sot take the come al maim that we are empletely wedded is our maks to the &made. e that we have propord. I think inn Way agree In committee to • trene thee the house should prefer, it will then be our duty to say whether we think the bill, with such as alteratks, would be • valuable bill, and to declare, though we Met not think it a shaege for the better, whether we could adopt it. I will not speak, there is no secessity to speak, of other parts of the bill. There is no roseeity to speak of the amity franchise. I will only my that I think we are in • position to go into oeseredttes on the bill to decide that important imerieti. If you object altogether to • reduction of the freasieles t Ins your duty to have opposed the sexed rear& sad to have refused altogether to refer the matter to • sinamiliee ; bat having aimed that the sewed reading should pas without oppo sition, it is now the duty of the hones to consider in com mittee what are the particular propositions which the go vernment have to make. Well, now I will take the first objection which is made in regard to the franchise, and that is an objection which an hon. friend of mine is about to rate by moving " that in order to obtain • safe and effec tive reform it would be inexpedient and unjust to proceed further with the proposed legialative maestro for the re. presenter= of the people until the bones has before it the remits of the omens, authorised by the bill now under consideration." Now I must say that, without imputing any desire to cause delay, I cannot reconcile that motion with any wish to have abill for the extension of the fran chise. (Cheers.) It would be three years before the crow would be before the house in an authoritative form, and it is proposed that for three years we should not go into this question—that whatever may be the cir cumstances whatever the demand., however strung the feeling may be, there shall be no amend. meat in the representation of the people for three years. And sow with regard to the borough franchise. One may say that the objections to the borough end the county franchise comprise ell the objections to the bill. During the six nights debate on the second reading those were the objections that were raised. And bow does the erne of 1851 beer upon those objections! We have re nnet—you find fault with them, but we have rennin up to the year 1858—which do no t depend on the census of 1861, but on the rate-books for the year 1858, and you might have them to • later period. Therefore, the main question in dispute has nothing to do with the census of 1861, sod this amendment is • mere evasion—it is • mere petting off on • very hollow pretence that which is the question before the house. ((hears, and " No.") (ho any man contradict me ? Neither the 61. borough nor the 10/. county franchise is in any way affected by the census. Yon may say . that the Si. householder is too poor, that he is qpnosint, and will be bribed, but when you have got the new cirrus you will be no wiser as to the character of the 6/. and the 101. voter. There is only one part of the bill that it does affect, that relating to the distribution of seats. We have taken a certain number of seats from boroughs with s population under 7,000, not became the number of 7,0510 wee &bead* Mg Ctriy and arithmetically necessary in aids,fie es. boro ll egh to return two members, any moire Shen hi the bill of lag year the number of 0,000 was, in th e of the late government, necessary to return two ; but we have takes the boroughs at the bottom of the and have said it was desirable that places with a law hi e. =Lwhich are sow ineariestly represented e of the meether which the smaller boro now entitled to retire. There eight be a of one or two of those boroug bat no one can their politics. They are the boroughs which have the minuet maladies, and have the smallest impairs,. It nisrlas Viet ass borough has gone up 500 and mother gene dem He sad if we wait till the year 1863 we shall mho se lila es remade the ohs borough or the ether ; bed is awe the ansterial Were& of the earistry, apse the peat quotties =isieg at t re se tapisksees I hem made all the I wished le elle eft tliti maths se es iiEt the deresier el the house, ad mot se est Vie of the peered DOT 'Magni IMO Aldose= I. the hill for purposes of delay. , Ws) V. z=op maw say, " Here is • dompooNe and • which we think it our duty sot to matenals,"' I believe that the public might think that opinion hasty, bat they would at all events regard it as dame. If, however, they say that, though they have already entertained the bill and given it a seemed reading, they will not proceed with it say further, Aegis( the paltry ; duce that in three years they would have more mf ormetien r to the amount of populallos is certain boroughs, this I dy that Nobody w ill believe them (Cheers.) I now code Ms the ether me., which I lime seen made for not pm , with the UPI, eameir, that we have arrived et = INSS Jena and that it is Ilse Ms to ester int. committee, became we mot take into ecediserion the remaining esti miss for the year. If the manse we. with regard to the may sr eery abashes I midi mierehad that saw:tent, beams them ere istiuudes of very peat Importance ; but I °root conesive how hoer gentlerms can say that they are in such haste to milder the miscellaneous estimates that they cannot proceed with anseasure of such importance r the amendment of the repreeseedien. Recollecting whet had been dose in former eagles% I have looked to use at what time the nreallenner 11Stilnii•O were con sidered in those years is while there was no diaeolution, and I dal that in 1861 they were ociasidered on the 7th, the 11th, the 14th, and the 17th of July ; in 1858 they were ss ulnlerad oa the 4th, sth, and Bth, of it; in 1854, on the 3rd, 601. 7th, 25th, 17th, and 31st of July ; 1855, on the 26th, :110th, and of July, and on the Ist and 2nd of August ; and in es the 9th, 12th, 14th, and 15th of July. It has lateeiy therefore, been the custom, when there was so ellinhar, not to consider the miscellazeous estimate, till • wash later period than the present ; mad with regard to sew st the years I have enumerated, b masa be mid that there were wading any measures of seek supreme im pedance that the house was required to pat the estimates of till the het moment. No doubt those estimates give rime to very interesting discussions debetes, for in stenos, epee education in Great Britain and Ireland, upon the prasides of religions liberty as regards the regium datum, ups questions of criminal justice, nor the appliejles al the an, arts to the houses of pal mation of that kind, but although those are in tepees d discussion, it has aot bees le the power or the niclination of the house to seer say Ivor redeedim I remember es owed= on which the here refried a grant to obtain two pictures of Sir Edwin Isobar, which would no doubt bare hem admirable *Mee at meals by which a part of the Home al Lords Wed be. bees asionsuL (he another t lhe Raba el • gesthme who had bees Mt Moran* by the Indess er the National Gallery to teem Odom; bid if I were to date the seasomy whisk heeler ellesied during the het seven years at 2,0001. a year I amid be azaggerating. (Neer.) I cannot bellow, then, that then has sprung up all on a sudden sash • sad tae essermy, or that the spirit of reduction and relessemet shoed r sidieely have seised the house that sera wait till Jaly to outsider the miscellaneous eelfinetr Mies) I aaa told dial during the last year or ewe liffinge hue boas mode in our financial system by M m large a earplug left in the exchequer • eat that in order to allow the civil service estimate s en till July or the beginning of August, it Et" be ter the Secretary to the Treasury to isk her tiros to as he did the other day, for some ~deeds votes on amour. Bet that is merely • question of detail ; and it is • question which would nut postpone the coriderstios of the miscellaneous estimates to a period at all later than the usual or. (Hear, hear ) I OMB only way, therefore, of this mem as I said of the other —if the hod Win .th .sett t t list It wee mined with emit • eilliat ailoolible= civil swim ediestee, in Inlaid, for thelesti fill a r getV e rt it molt t= GI ihill bill-7I in eat mai ' II aelt be ilei de- - mead el dem bad led fabled by a be maid mei he mew ea one. Oa the eseliwy, %weld be i I , s atilette nni e n te n tie rid el this 2 a d is ttea r n i t i ad* Kihm!“-) an delel Me the Yr ae Ishii we M.. 01111 Ma I Mad AMMO. ambles that mete (sly at lib beCedes 41t=ilirill asL aw tidally aßSe cis re dm the t i t s se min siii, Amid be aa yam • Mel Ode h op iheo = VI I a ind etemsd. We me see lilm ea hilleltieseleidei within eidelalliallboisl we bow hightesol beim brimses dew le ee deem why we shealli ad =MM it, east why the !MOM el Imes shed& at miiidalto 11. as VW bows 111611 1 11 . Mgr Air memos, be ether limes, at amine whoa wad be . phew* pr te give it their esaeliwialise. i gliehl fled ad shad the means elloy bilk the berise dead vied esewhittee Mk this bill, ad dieted disble the varied eassitem whisk will oohs beige it. flume awned ease tide It we pod piss due gentians, there dale jeep s at hid we sash m a id disit—es blew oder pide lmitli tr ibli widelt esethse memars to tide& is Yea bed eidese te give Ible bal a mened nab*, awl yea bed dead Ad aber de alsble' adds, aid if another bill wale b.s l esedber sedan it dale be sp wild. on the seemed milky ; r e am eaU re: l 2 tied anpmeste repelled, red probably with the hobo melt. That would involve a eekm of pall. time and a delay which would be y tin. igresseary. (Hear, hear.) And whet be the this at which the question would be nedad i You night ham, as you have now, a thee d treavratity when 1 Tim are at peace with all the sakes of Europe ; but it might also be • period ol commis:hi &errs (Hear, hear.) It might be a period whoa war amend to be threatening this country ; wheel rasa wadi Toe very loth to enter upon such a question • at 1146160 'WO they would not be able to give it a i temised, ecasideratioe. If you ean but mks up your as %what our franchise should be, if yea era adept either the of the government, or mess other prepoitioa *lda might seem wiser or more ellimial WINO", the segimesntation, and at the ade wade be eansistart with the mk hew ai Y.* halidltee t. llll de home eddy masieer it. WeMe we ta e emetics before you. (Chime.) Irrelar a— yea so of it ; but do ad t r e t et at th here=r " dr a lep h : to the g = th et r = who wadi hy their mum hews the hillsidey las bete such, that I. a this of presperikr it ide2L.ell pas . away, if it come back at • thus af commerciel it might wall seem irritation. Misr, hear.) I have7ll 7 SM to an article ia • woriedical wide is pasally samosa to repeemnit a gnat party • adtit Is the way in which it meals of the ANN* of this td2l—• gems my t ha t the pub- Hoene are to he eer meted ; dims the trades' unions. It is • eholee—b?tween deksmehary and crime." tired - - (Hear, bear.) Mew mob as these sink in" the mind. believe that imam the world% eimem there arc many men to be found of greater hatelligmese sad equal integrity with hountholders of ICC (Hear, hear.) Many of the latter are beershop keepers and small shopkeepen ; and I believe that worlds( mss in meat mem hays fully a s much intelligence sad es age integnty. (Chairs.) When it is said that if you adopk'this bill you will ha governed by debauchery or crime, can such kriging. produce any effect but irrita tion ! If you go on to consider the details of this bill and to settle what your franchise should be, what has been said will have but a pealing effect ; but if you leave this question open by the declaration that has taken plane—eloquent es that declara tion may have been —you will have dug a ditch between the working sad the richer claases, of which you may have occasion so repent. (Hear, hear.) I therefore seriously sad earnestly est the house to go into a consideration of this bill. If you think that Is provisions are rash, put is better sad more secure one in their place, bat do not, whoa yea have such a question before you, attempt to evade or con ceal its importance. Such a course will not produce any feeling of trust in your sincerity, or respect for your deci sion. (Cheers.) I beg leave to move, sir, that you now leave the choir. Mr. DISRAELI was not surprised, after the len gt hened per iod which bad elapsed since the noble lord had but ad the house on the subject of the bill, that be should have gone at some lergth into a statement of its principles and dila present position. The noble lord appeared to him, however, to have spent a considerable portion of Isis time in giving remote why the conservative party should have consented to the seeond reeding, and then to eom plainte against them for having allowed it to be read. The noble lord had stated accurately enough, though not with perfect accuracy, the observations which he (the right hon. mtleman) had made so long ago as 18b 2 . Being then a ister of the crown be had certainly espoused his opi nion attar a measure of reform brought forward by the noble lord had recently failed, that both in that measure, as well as in the act of 1832, the claims of the working classes bad not been considered. That was an opi nion which he had sot a:premed merely in 1852. It bad always been his opinion, and in 1859, whatever differences of opinion there might be as to the means by which he en deavoured to carry It into effect, there was no doubt as to the sincerity of the attempt which he made to give, in some mesenre, repreeentation to the working classes. (Hear, hear.) Then the noble lord said that after the general election he (the right hon. gentleman) had recognised, on the part of the late government, the verdict of the country as being in favour of some reduc tion of the franchise in boroughs. Those on that side of the house did nut wish for one moment to shrink from the admissions they had made ; but the deductions which the noble lord had drawn from the circumstances in question were somewhat Inconsequent. It might be necessary to admit the principle of the bill, which they had done by voting for the second reading ; but it was not consequent upon the opinions which they had trxmmed. or the pledges which, if the noble lord chose, they had given, that they should approve of the general policy of the noble lord. The noble lord said that all but the minciple of the bill was • mere matter of detail ; but the noble lord seemed to have quite forgotten that he had assumed a line of reasoning which no minister before him had adopted. He mane forward and introduced • trill based irtnj.he principle of numbers ; and documents had been in the bands of hon. members of which the noble ord would not for one moment pretend to my that the accuracy had been upheld. In another house, so important had them returns been considered, that the labours of an eminent committee had been inossmently devoted to their examination ; and if they were to believe rumour, the result of their lordships' investigation was in accordance with the geueralle received opinion. (Hear hem.) But the whole policy of the noble ion' depended upon the fact. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord proposed to entrust political power to • certain number of persons ; and it was therefore tmportant that the probable number of those to whom the franchise would be extended should be ascertained. The noble lord could not, therefore, be sur prised if hoe. members who were willing to see all chases directly represented should resell from a measure which was perhaps founded upon • grave inaocnraoy, and which might therefore ado& apes the country moot NAOMI =seem Pear, hem.) The noble lord bed not m in say charge of immodateway those who sat on those (the conservative) bemin• were net monster at the workbag clamors; ea Ilsz a = the 'talky se the tory party bad never been to them ebrom (Loud conservative cham) They led fat=repurded the franchise • privilege% be osereistd me basalt al the country ; sad whoa • alms was pet ! Hag forward • shim to it they eseesived that they had sot merely to ask whether that class might adey the personal privilege which they sought, brit whether It could be given them without con ferring on them a predominant power which would not he fur the general advantage. (Hear, beer.) The noble lord, then, bad not suoceeded in establiahing say fair ground of °umpteen sgainst the parliamentary conduct of the oppm Winn ; but if he complained that his measure bad been folly sad severely examined, then he meat remind the noble Led that on his own side there had been critics AY able, as eloquent, and as aaaiduous as on the other. (Cheers and laughter.) He could understand the tone of the noble lord if he were about to fulfil that important programme with which he began the session; he could understand the noble lord if he had told them that the Lill was an essential part of his policy, that the oblections to it were of a trifling cha racter, and that even if it were necemary to sit six months without • prorogation to carry it, carry it they should. But was that the course adopted by the noble lord to-night? When the noble land talked of the paltry opposition which was Riede to his measure, and of a paltry course of conduct, the house might be interested to observe what the noble lord • had done. Ho °meowed the session by three measures of representative reform—the representation for England, Ireland, and Scotland—all were to be amended, and the representation of England was to be made the re presention burn which the others were to be fashioned. The noble lord was stern and stiff as to the sew adieus upon which these amendments in the re weamtation of the country were to be aceomplished. The noble lord remembered that in opposition he gay • programme which led to • decision — ( hear, hear)—wildek forced the country to what was probably a premature &vi sion—he remembered that he defined the amount ot the franchise upon which he called for a reform of the canoti- Wilsey. Hut *hat had the boom heard to-night Two of the bills were to be given up, but with regard to the other the house might do what It liked with it. That high policy which had displaced ministers and diasevered parties had melted away, and so long as the home would only shovel the measure out of the way, anything it might do would be acceptable. Well, continued the right hon. gentlernac, it maybe very discreet, it may be very wue to-night to glee these moderate counsels, and temperate measures, when one of those ministers who ought to regulate the public conduct of the Have of Commons—whom one who has just now occu pied such a position, and has given an oddities which is still fresh in the remembrance of parlamentit and the reentry when that minister declares that fair readmit is to be looked upset se patsy. We have 'Waned, I am sue, with no hold@ feting, to • very calm house to the statement if the Noble lord, who has chosen well hie politics and selected well his wools. Everyone must haws felt that the plan which the noble loot has reocourneeded to us to- eight °dere a neat strange and startling commit to the mussels which ware awed upon them benches-- Palaseni—with regard to parliame•Uuy redeem in the tame tad Wow la which these measures were brought before ufillefilejfidifiloo‘ ilielassh But is this all? The date. mist of tie stab Veil mast not be looked upon merely vffiii /spate the slenint el ministers or the dream this house. The question is toe di vai r= "l lrtieleetriss of this nature. After ell eppolitilsa, and these deeply ma- Wei isigeollio position . of a minister of lir sewn tbe Nab Iselenessietweed to-night and tlistwitobefaldreeindeustihmenelllbency of Fog totally and nieseling any noonstraction of the moistitu rens the two Eger iZ lna doms. To my nothing lees of It, le this a sossOWsea— course? I will not rar is it a polio mum; bat it is • way of cutting the %Aim kw Ida& Ids bum will, I think hardly seasliee tar admire. phew) We have always heard that if Me qiesenon of .peellamientary reform is to be brought forward, Ii is not be lie liessaght forward piecemeal, but providing for the *Me eoolrW pan }las e, and there were sound ramotitu- Mina mem for such • course in MA whisk se one could dinpeln bat if two of the immone me to be bled sus to be scedinnod, what becomes of the end Indeed be leased r sentatien? We bele bon jays told by *air that we cannot ladle tribb say retlebeNna to then tbis settlement of thocZeks.ol.l4= wittiest taking their claims into gentlemen from Ireland and ghse.d. s .4 .4 . they are told that the reform of the comitilledien et is to be finished in the month of JIMO, sad enaideration of theirs is to be post te enstbee yew. What will become of those claims iaMss kereased regmeentation of which we have heard no mina? ( L a zy remind the home that no bah or Scotland will be able to meg tarot Ida my effect when the question of Eng ler' is pawl. Set yappers, notwithstanding the " Man grdr MON. of pebble affairs—a description of the pre sent it el t which, coming from a Secretary of State, Emit to meM amazing to all who hear it—suppose that tranquil date et affairs is &mead in the courier of next year. Whit then will be the date of the Scotch and Irish repreentstioe t (Chews.) It may be inconvenient, it may be isummoible, to amend the representation of Scot land and Ireland next year. Notwithstanding the all-per vadingtrullity of Europe, the noble lord may find trouble+ nextyearwwkbichhwill so aborb ender:gross public attention, and so occupy the attention of the ggovovernment, that the noble lord who now holds the office dsxietaryforForefgnAftain may not have time to amend the representation of Scotland and Ireland. But what with reg rd to England? If the English representation is amend 4 are you to have a partial diamagnets of peatiement ? (Cheers.) Are the members for EN! the new courtituencies to be sleeted, and eareetenelne•the members elected by the old constituencies of Miami sal liestiend? Or, in the conflict of our difficul- Mee, bell yea avid tits solution by having no dissolution vbitseerT lathe* one, we who sit here will sit as a con demned_ jpeellossat amiss after seasion, year after year, =MN flair seinderma will my— ' , This man mils the somber far Benbisgasmishire—(cheers and a be is nothing el Sim kind." I am thankful to st ia r bull oan bear the teat as well es mod men, but I am sure it will be embarrand to gentlemen on both sides of the og house. (Laughter.) Hat for what length of time is parlia ment to be in this uncertainty? I cannot wee with the noble lord in those sanguine views which have been enun ciated by his faithful adherente—by the friends of parlia mentary reform—regarding the state of the country at this moment. I have never been an alarmist. I know there are exaggerations of danger which may lead to depression of public feeling—just as they may, on the other hand, increase a high patriotic tone of feeling. But li the calmest and gravest view of public affairs, I think am justified in saying that matters are going on which should excite the anxiety, and engage the deep attention of the country. (Hear, hear.) Is this a period when parlia ment should be left in the dislocated sate in which the plan, I will not say the policy, of the noble lord, contem plates leaving it. I cannot believe that the house um sanction this plan of dealing with the repa triation of England without at the same time deal with the representation of the enter countri es. I do not believe the house will run the chance of Leaving the representation of Ireland and Scotland to be considered by the legislature, with the prospect of meeting next year amidst great dangers—when it will be impossible that the country should look up to the house with respect or ccolldenee—en act having pared which signifies that the representatives of the country are not competent to their duty or not worthy of their trust. This is a grave position. The noble lord has had more to do than to make a few commonplace observations upon going into committee of supply. He has bad to make some of the weightiest state ments that have ever been heard in thin house. That we should reform the constitueney of England without reform ing.the constituencies of Ireland and Scotland is a proposal which was never made by • minister before. (Cheers.) And is there anything authorising so unwise and disastrous • mune ? On the contrary, the noble lord does not contem plate accepting and enacting the policy which he recom mends. Whatever he may have mid of the working classes he has no conviction of the necessity of the measure he has brought forward • he has no confidence that, if carried, it would accomplish and fulfil his purpose. He says to us, "If you don't like this proposition, suggest something else, and I give you to understand your proposal shall be received by the government in a candid and disinterested spirit." (Cheers and laughter.) What does that mean? (Cheers.) It means that there is no policy. (Prolonged cheers.) Giving up Ireland, giving up Scotland, coming to the members for England and askiug them to place themselves in the despicable position which I have described—upon any ' terms which the house can scramble together for the occa sion—ell this proves no conviction of the necessity of this measure—no confidence in the sub of this measure. But the noble lord upon this subject, as from the first, exercising a fatal influence—as I said to him ate time when I stood opposite to him as he sat on these benches—both to this question and to his own reputation, was induced to recommend • policy in opposition which be has found it impossible to accomplish as a minister—but is hazarding the safety of the country in order, not even that he may realm his fair expectations on this subject, but that he may terminate them in a manner which, if nothing digni fied, is hardly respectable, and recognise iu them an un wise, an immature—l will even say—a factious policy. peers.) And then the noble lord turns rowel with much lately beenn u so po p n i zor t o u l ou b s ia u su t tporters i , ve w .o ho w lm e ' d v i e tr abso ; means of extricating himself and his colleagues from the painful position which he occupies. One gen tleman thinks it would be just as well that we wait until in the most authoritative manner we have accu rate Information as to the amount of the population. Then the noble lord thinks that his policy is compromised by his own conduct. If the noble lord had not proposed to give up the marrow of his bill, when be had generally confessed that he proposed to do it—although he did not propose to agree on any terms to the franchise, yet he laid it down as an indispensable condition—but if the noble lord had not Pro to do this—the statesman who comes forward with a plan for the amendment of the representation of the'people, and founds his measure upon population--with what face and reason can be turn round and reproach his supporter who says, "If this be the principle on which the measure is to be founded, let us have the most ample, the moat authentic, the most novel, the most recent interim. tion." Now, sir, I make these comments upon the remake of the noble lord. I think they are fair end just ones. M own opinion is—yielding none of those positions which I have formerly advanced in this house ou parliamentary reform, and believing, as I hope I may on this subject, that I am, notwithstanding the Quarterly Review, expressing the opinions of those gentlemen who sit on this side of the house—(cheep) —I am not afraid to my I think it would be most impolitic at this moment to attempt • inittlement; such as that projected by the noble lord. (Cheers.) If the noble lord had the power indeed to deal comprehensively and oompletely with the subject -- if the noble lord had said, " I have here • compre hensive bill for England, Ireland, and Scotland ; the prin cipke and conditions upon which we propose that power should be glottal in these countries have been long considered and deeply 'natural—by them we mean to stand or fall"--in bringing forward such a policy, even perhaps with impending war and im pending revolution, we feel that it might strengthen the ixmirnon wealth, might iucreaie the public courage, and animste public epirit ru England—we might think the 'mid" lord mid his colleagues rash, we might think them ill advised, we might think the occasion full of danger, but all must admit that it would at least he a policy assured turd determined by eminent men—which they undoubtedly and entitled, if not to adoption by the country, &tinsel to re. spec?. But when at a moment of undisguised danger, at a period of most certain peril, the noble lord comes forward after all while° policy, but with a compromise which, to use his ,own epithet, I must chanoterne as paltry—l see uo safety in such a course-1 reongnise no security in such a proceeding • bat I feel that at a moment when this house should stan d on high, and this country should be united, we are recommended to try a course which may enfeeble the one, sad my dishonour the other. (The right hon. gentle man sat down amid loud cheering.) Mr. MACKINNON moved " that in order to obtain • safe and effective reform, it would be inexpedient and un just to proceed further with the proposed legislative mea sure for the representation of the people until the house has before It the results of the census authorised by the bill DOW under consideration." lie had presided as chairman over the Masters and Operatives Committee, and one of the witnesses examined before that coniniittee was Mr. Potter, secretary to the Builders' Union. Mr. Potter stated, in answer to • question, that he corresponded in directly with 600,000 operatives, who had a cento in d com mittee London. Let the house consider for a moment the peat danger of such a combination of people having the franchise, acting under out. head ; would they not swamp the upper and middle classes altovther—(hear, henry.- and might not the result be that the Mare:Aloe of the Exche quer should entirely take away all indirecttaxation ? (Hear, how.) Why should the house deprive officers in the army and navy, solicitors, and engineer, of the franchise, and give It to these men? Le ss than 100 years ago It had been said in that house that the power of the crown had increased, was iocreasing, and ought to be diminished. Now, lie said the power of the crown bad decreased and oughl , to be supported. (Hear, hear.) The Euiperir Napoleon sail to the Italians, _" If you don't light for your liberty, you don't deserve it ;" and he (Mr. Mackinuoe) said to the ileum of Commons, "If you, gentlemen of England, don't preserve your constitution, you deserve to loos it." The hen. member coacluded by proposiog the anierelment of which he had given notice. Sir R. STRACEY eeeended it. Mr G. C. LEWIS said it would not be necessary for him to trouble the house at ally leugth in answer to the anew ?stifles of his hon. friend (Mr. Mackinnon). The most meg Mated and Pub Mad by vukux won 143" Lounbord Num', la Ye 017 ef London, MOW. a Os 'ass. In Gather& Week f 1 1110 Proem.' W TUSIDAV, JUNK 6, MA portion of his hon. friend's remarks was that relating to letter which he read to the house, and which had been ad dressed to him by members of the working clime or mom of those committees connected with trades, who constituted themselves the represeutstives for the time of the working classes. He understood that letter to assert that the bill before the house was " • sham, • snare, and • delnekm,^ the result of which he understood to MOM that this bill, professing to enfranchise the working classes, did not con fer upon them any essential political power. Unleiei that was the meaning of the letter, it seemed to him totally destitute of meaning or applicability. (Hear.) The plain and obvious tendency of that letter, which his hon. friend had paraded as a great reflection of the esoteric feelings of the working classes, was in fact that it did not go far enough, and did not include in its provisions a sufficient number of the working cleanse. There was one expression which fell from his hon. freed which it was difficult to cone. prebend—namely, that this bill excluded all the "thought. far portion of the working classes. He (Sir G. Lewis) professed himself unable to comprehend how the author of that letter reconciled it that • 10/. or 61. franchise included all the thoughtless portion of the working classes. (Ilmr, bear.) He should now suldrem himself to the subject of his hon. friend's motion, which had for its object to postpone the consideration of the bill till the census of next year should be taken. Now the re. salts of the census could not be in the hands of parliament in time to found any legislation upon it in the course of next session ; therefore the necessary consequence of postponing the measure till after the remits of the census were known, would be to arable legislation upon it next session impels. sible. ("Hear," from the opposition.) That might or might not be a matter of congratulation to hon. members opposite—he merely stated it as • fact that those who gave a vote to postpone the measure till after the results of the census were known, would postpone it till beyond the period of next session. (Hear.) With regard to that matter, there was one obvious remark to be made, that the census had no bearing whatever upon that part of thin bill, which to ned almost exclusively upon the question whether the borough franchise s h ould be limited to 10/. or 6/. (Hear.) Therefore the ground el postponement which was now alleged applied exclusively to that portico of the bill which wee not the 'main subject of dispute in that house. With regard to the question of the °emus, so far as it related to the transfer of seats, there was no clause in the hill which said that all boroughs under 7,000 population should be disfranchised. That was merely a circumstance stated in debate by his noble friend in introducing the bill, and all he asked the house to do was to transfer seats from certain. boroughs to other boroughs or to counties. (Hear, bear.) It was stated as a ground for making • selection that those fell within the line of 7 000 . But them was no charm in the number of 7,000--(" hear, hear," iroeically)—more than there was in the number of 6000 proposed by the late government. They must take some number upon which the franchise should be based ; whether it should be 7,000 according to the census of 1851, or 7,500 according to the erne of 18111, it could not be very material. But what was material was whether the boroughs selected for disfrea. Iah•OWILi in part had • population relative to other If it should turnout that the boroughs selected steel a relative position to other tow= it would be per. feet 4 immaterial whether the highest town was 7,100 or 7,200. (Hear, hear.) And unless it should be maintained by argument that the relative position was likely to be materially altered by the coming census, the ground for postponement must fail. He denied that any hon. gentle. man could show that the smallest reason existed for a poet. ponement until after the next census should be taken. (Hour, hear.) The facts before the house were not likely to be altered by waiting or by further delay, and he therefore thought it would be trifling with the measure if they made this • pretext for postponing it. He believed it could be equally well cond. dined now as in 1861. Indeed he believed that if the house had any option, it would be better to adopt the census which was taken when them was no prospect of *reform bill being introduced, than a census which might be tampered with when they knew that it might affect legislation. He had consulted the R!gistrar.Gestend on the subject, and he laid • he should have far more confidence in reference to the fran. chime in the census of 1861 than upon the one of next year upon which to found a reform hill, because he thought efforts might be made to cause returns which miigght net be accurate, and which might be laid before parliament in that date. He would not say that frauds would be perpetrated, but ill such a case at such a time inaccuracies might arise. (Hear, hear.) Upon the merits of the matter no case had been shown for the postponement of the bill until the census of 1861 should be placed in their hands. lf the House of Lords should be of opinion that the bill was founded upon just principled. and if it were desirable to take a limited population as a pound for partial disfranchisement—u in the bill of last mission and in this session—no case could be made out to postponing legislation until next year. (Hear, hear.) The census of 1851 afforded a most clear and efficient basis fee the calculation. He would therefore entreat the house, if they seriously proposed to deal with the bill, and if they were not merely looking to this motion as a means of post. ponement, but were ready to discuss this bill upon its merits, and to entertain the question of disfranchisement upon the basis of population, to reject this motion withort waiting for another two years to elapse, and until the census could be in their bands. Supposing some bun. mem bers thought they should discuss the elements of property and the number of voters as a ground of disfranchisement, stall all those facts were in their possession, and the quer tions could be raised in committee. The government had considered these alternatives before making their propose tious to the house, because he was aware it might be said that if they took the numbers of voters instead of popula tion, they would arrive at a different result ; still it would have been called a vicious principle, and the basis of popu lation would have been urged by hon. members. (Hear.) There could be no expectation that they would arrive at unanimity upon this subject, and the question could only be decided by a majority of voters when they got into committee. No useful object could be obtained by delay. All the material elements for legislation were in their possess i on, and the country would basally believe that the oh use was seriously bent upon the consideration of reform if they assented to the motion of the hon. member for Rye. A protracted debate ensued, in which Sir H. Straoey, Barrow, Mr. Bovill, and Sir M. Farquhar argued for delay, while the Home Secretery, Mr. Haines , and Sir F. Gold. amid contended that no relay was necessary, and that if the house waited for the proposed census returns, nothing could be done towards representative reform for two years or more. — The tilled* wee protracted until past midnight, and then adjourned to Thursday. On the motion for going into committee on the Sheriff's Court (t3ciotJand) Bill, s discussion nose on the question whether this bill end some other Scotch bills should be pro. oeeded with et a day sitting on Tuesday next, the 12th instant. On a division, the motion for the day sitting was carried by a majority of 102 to 89. The Nuisimees Removal and Diseases Prevention Bill was postponed till Thursday. Mr. HENNEEBY moved that tl;selecicommittee as the Thames Embankment do oonsist of 17 members, sad that Lord Formoy and Mr. Joseph Locke be added to the oommittee. . . . Alter some dismusion, in which Sir J. Paxton Ma Cowper, Mr. Hen , and Colonel Knox took pea, the house divided, when appeared. For the motion lO Against The motion wav consequently last. TITHE COMMUTATION. Mr. CLIVE obilibed lave to bring in a bill to amend awl further extend the aeb for the commutation of titles in England and Wales The other budnems was disposal of, awl the house ad. Journad at 30 minaie pest one o'clock. TRAFFIC RETURNS. Mir Par Mee. Total. T. SAILW ATI. NM. 1111101.16 dm/06a MI& UM. Week ending May lf. It t I A Detroltandllilwaukee ll6 1.134 1,108 2,202 1.113 Week ending May 18. Buffalo and Lake Mixer l4l 1,059 73 (treat Western ei Oman& MI 4.,214 1.901 7.129 0.1:9 Week ending JUDO 1 . South &Latent • •••• L 0114041, Bright Oa, sad B Curet 224 14.107 S.= lti,ati '19,45 • Epsom Itaces. BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, AND DEATHS. BIRTHS. CirTHBERTSON.—May 31, at the Old Mill brae, Langaide, Oar Glasgow, Iklm W. O. Cuthbortaon, of a son. I/ILIA/N.—Awe 3, at Cravewhill, Bs water , the wife of Jain Dillon. Esq., of a moo. aoLDieurr —June 1, at Huntingdon, the wife of W. W. Heidi cutt, Eat., of a aoo. lIEWITT.--. l une 2, at Cromwell-terrace, Harrow-road, the wife of Mr. H. F. Hewitt. of anon. HI OBILAT.—June 1, at Brighton, the wife of F. D. ilibberk Fee., of a son. NARRIAGED. APPIILBEE—JESRAIL—Itay Sl. at St. Marfa. !Winston, by the Rev. J Jernan, ILA., I. Appelbee, Say , of 1 ewiteebury. to Hannah, daughter el J. Jertaut. of Highbury.llll Boum. BROWN E—SURRWOOD.—May 31, at at. Luke's, Cheltenhaalv by the Rev. Canon Boyd, Lieut.-04one, 0. Browne, Indian. Army. to Lucy, daughter of the late IL C. Sherwood, Isq., at motto* Lawn, Cheltenham. HELPS—ROBER T, .—.June 1, at M. Peter's, Chaster, by the Bev. Mr. Watson. T. Helps, Req., of the Friars. Cheater. to ifSllOllll lallabeth, daughter of R. IL Roberts, Esq., of Abbeyaquarr, Chester. DEATHS. BARTILOP.—May M, at Klagstou.upun.Thames, Martha, wife at Mr. B. F. &Angola mod 6a. Bllllql.—Jour 1, J. Birks, Erg., of Hentillgliciti, near Barnsley. aged eg. 000taxotrow—ase 1, at laleworth. Middlesex, Prancer, rend et the We Samuel Ooodenough, Eau., at the advauced age of 100. having survival her husband 50 'eats. U —May 11, at South Wembley House, near Plymouth. Mary (.V.l4welL wife of A. Little, four lantler R.N. LoMOILIY.—Jane 1, at Frognal, Hampstead, Smith Weak daughter of Me We nouns* Stelae , at lowfwes t r bi 11 Triaity-tensee, laagea-road. • J. B. B. Murphy, lrg., used I&