The Express. — London, England, 1850-05-28 00:00:00

tAIPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS -HONDAT, MAI 27. The holm net at 6 &sleek ; Lard Carreen• sat Speaker. ICCLESIASTICAL APPEAL BILL. The Mabee el LONDON sold that haviai received. seta Boat the aehl• ateritate lord pesableat of the anuwal siteelay that be was imagoes& be we seder the aeoweity alpeespeatag the mesa masa of this bill wail WOIOTIOW (bie day) tertalekt. DIARIST OP ST. MRRYAN, CORNWALL Lord PORTMAN laid ea the table • hill lot &nobs the isemery et St. Maryut, Corwin, into three punkas, with wee reed • Ent time. BIRTH OF A PRINCE —ERR MAJESTY'S REPLY TO THE ADDRESS. The Mamas of WESTMINSTER (L Steward of the lisasehold, whoa wee deemed hi the uniform of lr office, sad bell • while red la bb load) saki : My lads, I have the hussar riders year isedahlp that, eatordiag to your kal i*/ amisue. I have laid year adders of etiapratalatioa =the birth et moiler is beforo Mojomy the sad that she las cradosaitidad to romam it mod yeakraly. sad te Mara this MAIM : " My lords, I have senalval raw as sad sesetionate address with muck seta. !allot. I thsak yea lost cordially ler year czegratulatios es the bilk el amebas prince, sad the ammo of the la. halt pee take in lay domestic happiness." MASTERS' JURISDICTION IN EQUITY BILL, Oa the masa of Long Dioramas' this bill went threat* sommanor pro forma, sad war ordered Se be reed • third Vas le-ntiartew (tMo day) week. REMOVAL 011 , 10BMlUCTIONS IN CORN TRADE 11051 . 1. AND ?) BILL. Lord szotraiCaa pospaSsi th. essaisse as this WE sac Wee woks. ILLNESS OF THE LORD CHANCELLOR. • Lord BROCOHAY, is vialkwsome papen, tee nature of whisk did not need the gamy, said it had been weaned that then was • gnat linear of beauties in Donk queue* of the Lord Chan/senile. aberusce. He most positively gar* his d. trial to such an 11/11tti011. TN" arrears ia that honed were bat little more than the ease* entered this seo sin. This appellate jarisdictioa was wholly without arms. It was ciertaialy not quite the same in the Court of Chancery, bat the mews there were much less than what his took the great seal in November, 1830. His could sot help availine himself of that opportunity to express his deep sor row that hie noble and 1 si friend was not likely soon to resume his moot meld' and invaluable labours. This waa fitting occasion for their lordships to (sprees the sorrow which they all felt at the ilium of that most able, amiable, and admirable judge. (Hear, hest.) It would be well if the opp rtuaity were seised to make a good and permanent app iLdisseat, which would be advantageous to use public and the profewion—to the law and the lawgiver—s perms- Dent and adeantageous arrangement with Menace to the hadiviinal who was at the head of all the Adios, and the Minister of Justice in that house. AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS. The Marges of SALISBURY, pursuant to notice, pre vailed a petition coinpninlag of agricultural and penal distress, and praying for a return to protection. The noble marquis was all but inaudible in the gallery. As far se we amid tallow him, we ut.der:tood him to enter into an ar gument to show that the number of paupers had increased sines the repeal of the COlll laws, and that the great increase of paupers in 1849 was the immediate cense of the existing ' agricultural divines. He proceeded to show that the pros putty of the manufacturing interests had not tended to pauperism;lewn wages is the manufacturing districts had fallen ten per erne lower than they were in 1840, whilst in Manchester only two thirds of the artisans were employed, the remaining one-thud being idle. He had always been taught that the prosperity of a eoustry depended on high Irmo. He hoped the duration of the act of 1846 would be limited, and the ukases amongst the agricultarists, which had been so install, admitted, relived. Z el GREY said the act passed in 1846 did not contain any clause limiting its duration, and ha had never heard the remotest intention expressed in say quarter of making any alteration in it. --- 11teEarToThIALMESBURY sail big noble friend had obtained • similar answer to that which he got from the go vernment • sheet time age. If the noble earl meant what he bad just said, he was better Sued for the incited empire of the Medes and Persians than to be • minister of this country. In the lint the years pauperism hod increased to the extent of 130,000 persons in England and Wales. Now, he did not want to exaggerate. He merely wished to get at the truth of the matter, aid to see what connexion then was between the experiment of npealir g the corn laws with this incrieue of pauperism. He naturally looked at what the average price of wheat was is 1846, when there was a diminished number of paupers, sad he found it to be 64.. In 1830, when their number was iscreand by 125,000, the price had fallen to 38s. (Hear, bear.) On. of the great promisee nude at the time the con law was repealed woe, that pauperism was to during. In feet, two promises bed then been mad*. One was, that reciprocity would be esta blished, and the other, that a positive advantage to the lower classes would ensue. But reciprocity had not been established, and how eould it be said that the second promo* had been fulfilled when there were 123,000 paupers more at present than then had been when the old can law wee repealed? (Hear, hoar.) He had expected to glad • greet increase of pauperism in the mei miltural districts, sad he had mark.d towns of thrills shimmers in the Mune already laid upon the table of the bore. Ia Cheltenham, which was souse an agricultural ace a manufacturing town, but which was very much visited there were 990 paupers and 1,800 its ) 1154. 6115 ir verpool, is 1846, there were 12,200 paupers; in 1960 there were 17,800. In Manchester, in 1846, thus were 13,900 in 1860 there were 29,000. In Pesetas, In 1844_, there were 3,021 ; in 1860 there were 6,187. The same result w.s everywhere al.. observable. In Ponies, in 1846, there were 3,200 psalms; now, then were 6,000. A noble lord behind him wished refermos to be made to Newcastle, a town with which the sable earl (Grey) was doubtless well arquaiated. Well, what was the return for Newcastle la 1816 there bad been 4,900 paupers in that %Ain ; at present there were 7,966. It was impossible with such results as these before the house to argue that the change made in our policy is 1845 had been beneficial to the lowest CWWW of the people. What clue, then, had bee. Useatod ? (Hear.) Is 1843, when the old eons law wits la full levee, 5,700,000 quarters of wheat had been maid is England sad Wales; whereas, in 1840, the quantity sold was 4,500,000 quarters, showing a durum is sales sa those two years com paratively of 1,200,000 quarters. Either, then, fru trade had diminished the Um* sales, or there most be a large stock in store. He believed, however, that from these and similar returns, it was manifest that all the promises made in 1846 had feed, that reciprocity had set been established, that low prices in England did not check importations from abroad, and that a return to pro tection was the only means of promoting prosperity. Earl GREY said that no practical result was likely to be attained on tat subject until the noble lords on the opposite beach,* explained what their object really was. No duds.t motion seemed to be brought forward. Some wanted the total repeal of ths primmest law, and others wanted a qualllsid re peal, bet noose noble lord had stated distinctly whether ha wished the home sad the country to go back to the old state of the law or not. Wu it meant to repeal the act of 1828, or W return to the rata of things existing in the agricultural diarists in 1836 sad 1836? In another plea, very high authorities bad given different opinions on this point. One said that what was deiced mesa fixed duty of 84.—• measure which had been offered mad scornfully rejected in 1841. Another gentleman had elsewhere said that maritime for CiWINS was plunder and not protection, and that what he wairmil was an alteration of the incidence of various 'me dals es land. Taxes, local or general, were again de- Bounced by high authority as nugatory and delusive. What, then, was wanted? Wm a fixed duty wanted ?—or was a sliding scale, or was an alteration of taxation ? Let noble lords say what they wanted—what change in the ex isting policy of the country they meant to propose ; and, when that was known, ha believed there would be no difficulty in producing good reasons against the adoption of the proposal. (Laughter and cheers.) He believed that to the alteration made in 1846 we owed it, under Provident*, that this country had paned through a unexampled for the extent of its distress. (Hear, r e e r a i rl Let hiss advert to one or two points in the address of his sob!, friend opposite (the Earl of Melmesbury.) His r.ble friend had referred to the number of paupers receiving relief in England and Wales at present compered with the year 1844. and had eontrairbed the prices of corn then and is 1850. It was true that there wa an increase in the number of paupers now as compared with 1846, but then, according to the schedule from which the return had been made, the year 1850 showed • teductios is the amber of paupers upon every 3en exeept 1846. Poe instance, the total ',pitmen relieved its England sad Wales in 1844 was ii 90,000; is 1847,980,000; in 1848. 993,000; and in 1849, 943,000. Compariag 1846 with 1860, however, there were eircunistithoes quite tndepesdeut of the prime of corn which would account tor the duYenau in the amber of paupers in those two roan. The very height of the railway mania was In 1846—(hear)—when 7,000,0001. were expended in employing 11011 in the construn'the of the various Uses. At present there were not as many thousands of pounds expended in 'employing able bottled labour on lines of railway as there bod at that time been utilities. (Hear.) Then, again. MOOS VW, all the consequesom of the tunas in Ireland had to be encountered--a famine *hint had been the suns of introducing many Irish peepers into the manufacturing towns and districts of this country, thereby lacrimal the extent of pauperism in EagLusd. When Se (Foil Orey) looked at our great seats of commerce, and at the general state of this country, he could ant discover the shakiest remote for attnbuting those effects to the measure of 1846, which noble lords opposite Ware in the habit se (Cheers) In the course of the debate it had been °burred that there was a falling off of 1,200,000 qnsitors in the quantity of urn sold in England and Wales in 1849,.. compared with 1846 But what did the return for 1849 show ? Why, it showed the sales of the crop of 1848, and everyone knew that the crop of 1848, in the south of England especially, had beta one of the most defective mope we had had for many year.. (Hear, hear.) He believed that the agricul tural &stress, now so mach, and, he admitted, so justly com, plained of, had much more to do with the defective crop of 1848 than with the repeal of the corn laws. lint, since the harvest of 1849, there bad been a very largo lacrosse in the amount of corn sold in England and Wales as compared with the last six months of 1848, commencing with October, 181$, and ending with March, 1349. He believed, however, that this wee far too extensive a question to be argued upon cosiparianse of this kind. It was a question upon which opinions must ha lamed by general principles and coneideeatione. noble lewd BTANLET said he w owee noteurprised to find that the earl, who had jut eat dn, wu fully convinced of the merits of entire tree-trade. Ti. noble earl was of opinion 'bat every Wow* was proem* to IA lIIIOTILOILI though he admitted that winker* was sear:Hag a trifle ; It ersosetemprisiag, therefore, to hear him say that if the preteetieniele woeld tell tom what it was they were ping to he was satisfied he could fensish eery geed MOM Bak prepesitioa. (A keel%) TM soaks west had eimpltheei that disemsiems ef this quietism were at peeme while, prier to the re. peal el theretZews, see etjeat woe akar and Me (Lord illealey) weehl Ma tie setae lesi iat this iatenteen if the peetessienisle ors Nam mew te wise* had bola pereimete WM repel Mthe ems law—lt MSS le billrge UM Mb e r @dais use k by week, sad deye l l e :, bes. eperadem awl lateedneed by the sa▪ tire remission el duties the . egrillidtlial cgoure. (CM.. trues the se) He wadi ass at meant whet view it might be Omagh% right to propels—(hw, hoer, ham the maisisteridiste)—hut this he wield say that he believed a cheap was coming ever the *Me mind. He did sot ripest it to was over the Wad Of the ruble old ; far be it from him to entertain any such exgge bad expectation. (A laugh.) Bat thus who were swirly frees the program o' events wen begianiag w epee their eyes to the reel *Lieu of the system of so sailed free trade; they were watching the progress of that exwimemt —• moot dmigwoem sad fearful experiment—ead thq wire gradually arriving at the esetration that on sherries mast be made la that system, sod that a rummies to the of petunia must sine be made. (Hear.) The peoMntisaiste had been promised immense prosperity, SM.. venal omploymeet, high wages, increased eensamption ; and they found now that these promises had not hem fel. filled, and that the noble earl wee compelled, not to past triumphantly at their accomplishment, but to discover reasons why the former prediotioes bad not bin a verified. ' (Hear.) The noble earl's answer le the increased pan/mien in 1850 over 1846 au, that that thereon was not so apparent in 1847. 1848, and 1849, as compared with 1850; bat then 1847, 1848, and 1849, were all so an of fru trade, and moss queenly of hes importations of corn. It must also be recol lected that the mode of making oat the returns of pimpernels sow diff, red from that formerly premises, emaese at priest only a limited number of a family was counted—so that a re turn of those now and heretofore treeiviog relief dia sot give a correct comparative amount of the pimpernel existing in the country, and toe cons. pone, of ths new practice was, that the real increaser of pauperism was greater than the tables indicated. (Hear.) Bat, if the government denied that the present state of things arose from free trade, the poverty of the hone market, and the inability to oonearee, then let then (the government) say from what it was it proceeded. He would call attention to our exports. Great credit was taken Lr an increase, between 184.5 and 1849, apparently of 5,000,000 1 . is the declared value of oar exports; but for the first time were introduced into these papers now, additional articles &notating to 2,500,000, which did not exist at all in the papers with whisk they were compered. (Hear.) But her admitted the exports bad Inetresed ; still, important as that trade was, it was unimportant as compared with the amount of dm home trade which had declined. The imports of cotton, for example, for the three first months of 1849 were 547, 0 00 bales: for the three first months of 1850 they were 488,000. The consumption of cotton at home foe the same period in 1849 was 432,500 balm; for the like period in 18.50 it had fallen to 388,000—• diminution of about 2l per cent. The exports of cotton wool were 22,000,000 lbs, Mine an increase of 4.000,000 lbs. Of that there were exported to foreign countries 1,745,000 lb.. ; and one of the happy results of free trade was—that, while we exported to all titres countries 1,745,00 C 1b.., the ezpere to three slave. trading ports exceeded 2,000,000 lbs., while the exports to the oth.r countries showed en actual dimiouthn to the amount of 335,000 lbs. (Hear, h Sr.) Toe consuming power wee, therefore ' dirainishieg, and the onus of showing to what that was attributable, rested with the overnment. (Hear.) The return of the quantity of corn sold in England was moved for by the noble marquis (Lowdown.), most probably for the purpose of showing that these sales had not diminished under fres trade. Those papers, if they proved anything, proved directly the opposite of that which the noble marquis intended they should prove when he moved tor them, tor, although the amount of corn sold in 1849 was greater than it was in 1848, if the noble marquis would refer to the returns for the four first months of 1650, wh.c.l, of course, referred to the pro dune of the harvest of 1819, he would find that, with the single exception of the four fret months of 1849, those boasted large sales of corn in the British markets, had been lower this year week by week, and, upon the whole, than in any one of the years included in the table contained in the paper the noble marquis had moved for. (Ch. en ) But, independent of corn, there were certain articles which, though they might in some degree be regarded as luxuries, yet had entered haply into the consumption of thou who were removed jut beyond want, and the diminished eon• tampion of which proved clearly the shifts they were obliged to make and the petty economy they were obliged to exercise in order to make both ends meet under this entree silly prosperous system of free trade, of which her Majesty's government were so proud. He would t five or six arti cles of ordinary common consumption—cocoa, coffee, i:ried fruits as fiis and raisins, unrefined sugar, and tallow—in all of which he would show there had been a considerable filling off in the cossumption during the last three years. In the firs: three months of 1843 %hassles of cocoa, for home consumption, had been 977,000 lbs.; in the corresponding period of 1849 they had amounted to 92.',000 lbw. ; and in the first three mouths of 1850 they had fallen to 724,000 lbs. Of cof f ee, in 1848, the first 3 mouths, the quantity entered for home consumption bad been 9,900,000 lb*. 1849, the first 3 months 9.386,000 lb.. 1850, the first 3 months 7.465,000 lbs. Comets-1848, first 3 month , . 73,000 own. 1849, n 18450, Figs 1648, PO 4,746 „ 1849, 1850, Ravine-1848, 19 1849, 1850, Unrefined _ _ _ Bugar-1848 1849 1 469,000 ir 1 494,000 „ ~ 1850 ir 1 413,000 „ (Cheers from the protectionist benches.) The can of tallow was still stronger. la the first three months of 1848 the imports for home consumption had been 292,000 cots., in the correeposdiog period of 1849 they were 313,000 and in the first three months of 1850 they had been only 194,000 cots. (Hear, hear.) And this diminished consump tion in the horn: market had been coincident with a con siderable export is the sbsp r of candles and soap, which in cluded a large portion of the raw material taken into the returns of the cocsamption of the home maim, and conse quently added so much to the decreased e resumption of the people of this country. Tone facts, taken in conjunction with the increased pauperism and diminished employment— (and he believed the noble earl would not deny that many stills were working short time in the manufactunog districts, or that wages were falling, and mast a retinue to tall, in the agricultural districts)—with these facts before them, and then proofs of the diminished power of consumption on the part of the people tinder free trade, they (the pro- tectionists) could not congratulate the noble lord on the success of that which he (Lord Stanley) would still call an experiment- ( bear , hear)—nor would they for bear pointing the attention of the government and the coun try to the practical working of that experiment, leaving it to them to justify their perseverance in that policy to its fall extent notwithstanding the failure that had attended it. (Cheers.) True, we do not (said the noble lord) bring tory d any specific Tonsure upon the subject, but if it will be any satisfaction to the noble earl to hear again the de claration made by me to an important and influential de putation that waited on me, and to which he bad referred, I here repeat my opinion that this country will never be restored to prosperity until parliament not only deals with the stunt' and unjust taxation under which certain interests of the country are labouring, but until we return to a mode rate, a just, sad an equitable system of import duties for the protection of all descriptions of British industry. (Loud cheers from the protectionist peers.) I am satisfied that that is the policy which In the long run will prevail (hear, hear) —and as confidently as the noble earl asserts the success of the experiment, eons I confident that its failure is becoming more and more manifest every day, and that before long he will have to retrace his steps, and that parliament will hen to retrace its steps and return to a just and moderate system of pro tsetioa. (Cheers.) Earl GREY had heard with great satisfaction the last observations of the noble lord, in which he declared his desire to return to a moderate protection for British industry, for it was evident now that the noble lord himself gave up altogether the sliding scale of 1842. (Hear, hear.) That act wee at all event; henceforth abandoned by the noble lord and the noble lords who acted with him. (Ministerial cheers.) Lord STANLEY wished it to be understood that his intentions and thou of his friends won not to be judged by the construction the noble earl might atoms to draw tram his (Lord Stanley's) observations. (Hear, hear.) Earl GREY-1 am quite satisfied. (Cheers and counter cheers.) The petition was then ordered to Ile on the table, sad their lordships adjourned at seven o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.-MONDAY, MAT 27. TIN ElrsAmia took to Asir at 4 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. CHESTER AND HOLYHYAL RAILWAY BILL Was read a third tins atter oonsidsrahls discusion, and two divisions upon peolowsd &woodman.. The River Los Trust Bill was tin and a woad Um. BUSINBSB.. HER meinTfilTiiwtCtotHE ADDRESS OF THE HUUBB ON THE+ BIRTH OP A PRINCE. Mr. LAW/MUM appeared at the bar, and said that he had presented to bar Majesty the address of the hew con gratulating her Majesty . on the birth of a prince, to which her Mejsety w as graeso nely p'eased to return an answer, Dubbing the house fee their loyal and dutiful address. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Ifizmay C BILL.—The Sherills of the City of Ltedon appeared at the bar and presented a petition front the Lwd Mayor and Corporation of Landon, against this bill. THE ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION. Sir B. HALL pave settee for Friday emit, to sieve for • return of all the data on which the Ecclesiastical Commis sioners had founded their r•p',re. TRADE AND NAVIGATION RETURNS. Mr. MACORIWOR, to is,,. on motion for committee of supply, for certain retorts comes:ad with trade sad lIST-- 111‘011. THE NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT. Mr. HUME gave miles that whoa the report on the sup ply Tote for the earadltare upon the new bosses of parlia. meat, he should take the seam of t►e homi epos the gees. Hon, whether the ..ovules VA of that edifile should out be subjected to investlgation sad control by the legislature. LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND) BILL Mr. BRIGHT gave sodas that ho should ilk this right boa. &retry for Woad oat Tau* or Thermally whir fir goversarst lateaded to rove tha ersed reading of thls bib. STAMP DUTIES BILL. The CHANCELLOR of tho EXCHEQUER, is rower to Mr. °twist said it or sot probable rat . tke Stamp Dries Bill w orld arm sa ea the dig kr whisk is Ira at proud Sze& THE BOARD 07 TRADE. • Mr. DISRAELI rid it Was his latipasiss, ea the was No. 6 (e jihkelt related so this Privy ivil esevios) berg Caron din sad the = 8 :1 11 Trees, to bar brought tu tor the heir the ocastitutios of Au bumf i but es, owing to a dressastaao• *high they rut all (hest, hear)—the right hoo. prsidest of that board (Mr. Lebo-- shore) Gould sot poorly ho mesas, he hoped auditors ovoid fled it soneeslent to postpere that ode. Tito CHANCELLOR of try EXCHEQUER said bo would at Ines steeds to the yogurt. METROPOLITAN INTERMENTS BILL. In amO;;;;STirl.llau, Sir 0. (IRBY said be themillt the meet esavealsat mums with Ibis bill would be t. °moat it that day, pro Jeans, for the purpose of instrting new dames, and M move MR re committal for Monday seat. He was set quite sure whether he should be able to bring it es as tbat day, but :be would give notice in the interim. SUPPLY.—THE CIVIL SERVICES. Tim bongo then went into oommiiteg of supply (Mr. Bantgat. to the chair)) on the estimates for the 'gravamens. THE NEW 11011888 OF PARLIAMENT. The first vote was 92,3001„ " the Marge et salaries and expessesof the two house, of parliament, amid allowances to retired damn of the two houses." Mr. HUME ssid he found then was a seasidtrable in • crease is the &want proposed to be 'would as salaries sod expenses of the House of Lends. Lest year it wee 21,9001. ; he the present estimate it was 32,4001. The amount regained in aid of the Is* feed was last you 14,0001. ; is the present year, 24,6001. Alter ease oosvasatioe, the ocineraittee divided— For the rots For the ',mimetic 4B-62 The Tate was then 'areal to. PUBLIC SALARIES. On the vote of 66,1001. for salaries and expenses on the part of the Treasury, Mr. FORBES snored that the vote be redhead by 10 per ant. He thought it toes only fair to dues who had sufftred in consequence of the recent change in their commercial policy, that the salaries of public (SOU, should be reduced to proportion to the fall in the primp of provisions. CW. THOMPSON said that the profits of his coutiments bed gone up 27 per cent.. not in consequence of any injury which had been inflicted upon others, but in consequence of the abolition of a wrong done to themselves. (Hear.) Col. SIBTHORP said they might not to agree to this vote until the committee which was now sitting upon the subject bad made their report, unless the Chancellor of the Exchequer pledged himself that the government would int mediwely carry into effect the recommendations of that casualties The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that in we the committee should recommend a reduction in the ea krise at the high political officers of the state, the govern meat would be prepared to reduce those salaries from that time. Mr. HUME wished to know whether the committee had come to any determination as yet with regard to the stlerits of the hem., of departments, which amounted to 18,6001. There were, he perceiv. d, 45 clerks, with salaries from 9i4. upwards. He was net disposed to strike off 10 per cant. from their salaries, and would rather reduce the number of persons employed than the amount of salary paid them. there were 20 messengers, whose admits amounted to 2,3181 That was a large amount, and he thought it pro bable the number might be reduced. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER acid that the committee had not made any rap rt as yet with regard to the "alarm of the high ofßwrs of state. lie agreed with the hon. gentleman that the true_principle of reduction was to reduce the number of ponce, if they were too many, other than the amount of salary. They had already effected a saving of 5,8001. by a reduction in the number of persons employed. Mr. MACUREGOR could:state from his own experience that, Instead of their being a superabundance, there was rather a deficiency of messengers. El. DISRAELI hoped his hon. friend would not press his motion, bruise it was evident it would at firmest be quite union for two reasons; firs*, because of the nattiness of the committee sitting up stairs, and, secondly, because of the eistence of the ti uncial reformers. (" hear, hear," and • laugh.) Mr. FORBES said he would not press his motion to a division. Col. THOMPSON hoped the liniment reformers would not look for any amnia for economy coming tram the other side—(cheen from the protectionists)—prefaced by the as sertion that the country was less able to bear its expen diture, in consequence of the recent changes in its commercial policy. (Hest, hear) He 'maintained that the people of the country were better ►ble to bear the expenditure of the ocniiitry than they ever were. (Hear, hear.) That was no TIM°. however, why economy should not be practised, but net on the ground waned by hon. gentlemen opposite. Mr. HUME protested against the doctrine that the prin ciple of economy was not to be adopted, from whatever side the proposition essanatsd. (Hear, hear.) M:. COBDEN retuned to concur in a spiteful and mali cious vote introduced merely as a medium of retaliation and suggesting a general reduction in the wages of labour. In the great industrial Held in the West Riding of Yorkshire the rate of wages had been for some time on the increase; and if the agricultural districts exhibited • decline of em ployment, it wee because the abundant materials for repro- Lective lab ter which they contained were net wisely and actively developed. Mr. DISRAELI ret:rted upon the financial reformers thiir many forgone statements of distress among the middle and employing classes. The " paying power " of the coun try was diminished, distress reigned widely in other districts, though the West Riding was said to be an exception, and the universal prosperity prophesied from the abolition of the corn law seemed postponed indefinitely upon various pretexts. Mr. Y. SMITH agreed io the principle that the relative value of money and wcesearies should regulate the amount of fixed salaries, but declined to disturb • question which was now under inverigation by a select committee. Mr. NEWDEGATE inquired why the economical pre possessions, so strongly evinced against the milisary expendi ture, were not equally directed against the outlay for civil services. The amendment was then negatived without a division. The next vote of 26,0001. to defray the salaries and ex penses incidental to the home impartment was passed without opposition. THE PASSPORT SYSTEM. _ . _ - Oa the vete of 71,0001. expenses incidental to the Foreign office being put, A brief discussion upon ywasports was introduced by Lord M•KON, and shined from Lord PALKIMITON an lignottnee meat that the intention at one time manifested by the French government to abolish the passport system had not been carried set; nor was there any present prospect either in that or other continental countries of having the embarrass. ment thus caused to travelling removed. The vote was agreed to. The ram of 2,7001. was voted for the salaries end other expenses of the State Paper-asses. ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION. On the proposal to grant 3,8401. to defray a portion of the expenses of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners far England, Mr. V. SMITH said this vote ought not, in his opinion, to appear in the miscellaneous estimates. (Hear, hear.) The committee which sat on those estimates in 1848 had de clared that the emptiness might fairly be defrayed out of the funds at the Opus' of the commission. The time was come when they Rigid very fairly sak the oomnakeloners to take this expense speatheesselvm. His only reason for aotopposing the vote was tWtheire was a bill pending with regard to the Goole• siastical comminii3n, and that it was not clearable to raise the question Involved in that bill on that occasion. It was desirable, however, that the house should have some infor mation with respect to the bill to which he referred. (Hear, hear.) _ Sir B. HALL agreed with his right hon. Mend that the house should be informed when the bill would be promieded with. They should have as little to do with the commie donne se the commissioner, desired to have to do with them. I (Hear, hear.) Three years had elapsed since the commis ' donors had made any report. From the moment his hon. I friend ventured to make observations on the report made in 1847, they had coned to famish to the house any information with regard to their proceedings. His hon. frie nd the member for Macclesfield (Mr. J. Williams) having moved for certain returns with regard 1 Welsh bishoprics, nine months (not • very uncommon period of gestation)—(laughter)—elapeed before those returns were obtained from the Bishop of St. Day.d'L Sir 0. GREY said that with regard to the bill which bad been referred to, he could amaze the house that there was not the slightest latention on the part of the govern ment not to proceed with it. (Rear, hear.) Whether they should do so or not on Monday neat, mum depend ea the state of publis business. As the subject of the 'Waited cal csassaiinicia had arisen, he was quite willing that the rota should be postponed until after the bill had been dis eased. (Hear hear.) With respect to the returns referred to by the boa. baronet (Sir B Hall), he must say they were returns with which the ecclesiastical 0 0 t111/0140110,11, es such, had nothing whatever to do; they were to be obtained by the bishops Irons the clergy of their respective dimness. The vete was then withdrawn. POOR LAW. Oa the proposal to grant 227,6001. to defray ezpenses con. neat. d with the administration of the laws relating to the poor, Ccionel BIETIIORP &d the *Bice of the Poor-law Com mission had now beta established about twenty lean, and he would like to know what good it had ever dm*. He objected to this vote, end would not assent to the propo sition put by the hen. chairmen. CoL DUNNE wished to call the attentioa of the home and of tbe Irish members particularly to the fact that the amount of the salaries of the medical ofileas and school ' masters and schoolmistresses attached to the poor law were paid out of the consolidated fend is this country. Bach wee sot the ease in Ireland, when the tare. pressed so griev unity. No assistant, of that kind was given is that country —(hear)—sad hs would ask the hoes* to consider whether it was not highly unjust that Bath should eiratinue to be the we. Mr. HUMS mold that be would rather have tithes charges withdrawn from the isosoalidated fund. Mr. BRIGHT said that he wished for • moment to make an alth•lost is the salaries paid to the ftcretaries of the Poor law Commission. Looking at the estimates he found that the Presidia{ of the Poor-law Board had 2,0001. • year, while the two surstarlas bad 1,6001. a year each. its was THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 28, 1850. rnn tits! tt wool be me M the noble lard (Lord Ebriegion), who was ease of the ism sire, ma had a seat In that bums, if be *see to say that it was mard that be, 7 ns iLlet a tecetvett rite salary et 1,6001. a year, while eke say 2.09111 a year. TM predigest skoald be a um ef. agile, steadily, cad having a grease degree of responsibility. if the smestmiss were to Yam 1,9001 a year, and the presideetb salary to remain where it was, they wield be absadantly paid. He woe quite satisited that the salaries of he lIMINtirW were hr too high, sad he wished to Wag the matter under the goadderatbea of the right hen. gentleman. After a few wends from eh H. Ynnerm, Mr. DRUMMOND wished to impress on the his. gen tleman the member for MOWN.' the necessity of having some antral board of makoemy, Alderman SIDNEY emplaned of the large ram *Bowed for the expenses of the poor-law laspeston. Mr. BAINES said that at present the seersteries, together with the proddeat, right be mosidered se the representatives of the Board a Commissioners which did mist nadir the former reguladon, end was somposed of three OD•nais stoners who had salaries 2,0001. • year s ack. It would be obs erved, then, that the whole of their salaries amounted to 6,0001., whereas at present they were timely 6,0001. shag« thee, asking • saving d 1 4 11901. a year. With referent* to the inspectors, it had bsim asked what duties they had to perform ? They stead is the piste of those who, in the etc set of parliament whisk had hem pa ssed ea the subject, were celled easitese-memintiewn. ow they were galled inspectors. All Methane a the original amistaate, ether with additional min i tome east oa them. as emiereil that to these isepsetem might be attributed any deem of sooner that may have allinded the wedging et the poor law. The mato/ d suitor essamielenem under the former set wee 9; nailer the pesseet h We unlimited, and kin pramemor led made the amber U. With regard to their salaries the junior dem had 7001. a year, with a guinea a day for travelling expeetese. After an explanation bola Alderman SIDNIT, Mr. BRIGHT said that he did not think the right hon. gentleman had given • satisfactory answer to albeit the ob servation made by himself or by the hon. member for Statiord. He stated that at present there were two were lark s and a president who were to be considered in the place of the board; that the board cost 6,0001. • year, while they now laid the president and th e two secretaries only 6,000 1. a year. Why should they be saddled to pay 6,0001. a year because they ones paid 6,0001. • year. These secretaries stood in the same podia's to the right hon. gentleman as the Under Secretary of State did to his principal. It was absurd then that he should only have 2,8001., and he (Mr. Bright) did not parrse to increase it—(lsughter)—while they had 1,6001. He would not comment on the capabilities of these gentlemen. They might be as good as any they keno-, but their salaries were too high. Hs intended, therefore, to move that their salaries be diminished by the sum necessary to bring them down to 10001. • year each. The T CRANCELLOR of theEXCHEQUER said that the duties of the secretaries fully entitled them to their pet not salaries. If they did not, however, there existed a committee of that house, to which he believed the hon. member belonged, who were empowered to take into con sideration the propriety of making a reduction. Mr. BRIGHT said that that halo( the cue he would not then press his motion. After soma conversation as to travelling expense', Mr. ARKWRIGIIT moved that instead of eight in specters at 7001. • year, and fiat at 5001. a year, the number should be reduced to eight at 7001 a year. Mr. Alderman COPELAND supported the motion. It was quite impoa.ible that taxation could go on on the pre sent system, and the government ought to apply their minds to the question whether the property of the country should pay the taxation. Sir R. PRICE said that the question was whether thee hoard was too large for the purposes for which it was in tended. la his opinion, the poor law would be of little use if they in any degree diminished the power of the board in London. They should have a hoard of supervisicn to keep every part of the country under control until one ge neral system was adopted. Sir G. GREY observed that the increase of the number of Inspectors was founded on the recommendation of the com mittee, which went fully into the whole administration of the poor law. Mr. BRIGHT would not consent to vote for the propos', lion of the hon. gentleman unless they had some more in formation on the subject. ANL COPELAND said he had bean assured that in the borough which he had the honour to represent, fur every abiding spert in the main'enance of the poor, another shil ling was spent in maintaining the executive. (lieu.) Mr. BAINES said that with regard to the number of inspectors all he could say was, that when the question caw under discussion in 1847 (there having been nine up to that time) parliament came to the conclusion that that numbei was insufileient. The next proposition went to in creasing the number to 12, and a clams was introduced making that the limit, but it was the opinion of the house that the limit of twelve should be struck out, lest circum stene s might at a future day req-iire a greater number. When his predecessor (Mr. Buller) came into office he consi dered maturely the question of the number of inspectors, and when examined before the committee, gave it as his deltrw rate opinion that less than thirteen would not be eh& dent. On his responsibility he made the number thir teen, and everything that had occurred to him (Mr. Baines) dung the year and a half he had been in office had led him to believe that thirteen was the proper number. The committee vended— For the amendment Against it 157-121 A second nivision was taken on an amendment moved by Alderman SIDNEY for reducing the number of poor-law an• &Agri. This amendment was likewise negatived by 181 to 58-125. Un the vote for 227,6001, to defray expanses connected with the adminktration of the laws relating to the poor, Mr. W. MILES observed with regard to the item of 35,0001. for the salaries of schlolmasten and schoolmistresses in unions, that ever since the new system of the government paying the achinlmuten and schoolmistresses came into Nitration in 1848, though alterations might have taken pace in the saluin, thu it:m had always remained the Mr. BAINES regretted that not having had notice of the question he was not in a position to ans..? it. And he w.s not aware that exactly the same sum had been voted since 1846. W. MILES said it really did seem to him that on such a vow as this they should have the fullest information. When the salaries wero adjusted those schoolmasters and schoolmistresses who were inefficient he presumed would be discharged. He wished to know whether that had been done and whether the education of the poor was conducted in an efficient and proper manner. It was only with this view that he put the question. Mr. BAINES could answer that that had been the case within the last two years. Of count these improvements were gradual. There was a constant course of improvement now proceeding. Mr. Alderman COPELAND thought that in the absencs of information it was his duty to move that the chairmen report progress and ask leave to sit again. Mr. LAW hoped his bon friend would not take the sense of the house upon that question, because, though it might be the furthest from his intention, it might seem to amount to a censure on the right non. President of the Poor-law Commission, cf whose labours the house had the highest appreciation. It was to be lamented that his right hon. friend had not had notice of the question. Mr. MILES agreed entirely wtth what had been said by the hon. end learned gentleman. It was not his intention ' to object to this vote, bat he wished to get same information. As the right hon. gentleman was not able to giTe it, but still said imprevements were going on in the character of the schools, that to him (Mr. Miles) was perfectly satisfactory, and he could only say that the sum of 3.5,0001. to educate the 60,000 children who were in union workhouses could not be better spent. Mr. Alderman COPELAND withdrew his amendment. The rote was then agreed to. Oa the vote of 35,0001. to defray the expenditure for the several branehes of the Mint in reply to Mr. THORNILY, Mr. SHELL stated that the bens of the florin coin would be renewed as soon as a new die was ready with the letters inserted whose omission had occasioned so much public dis cussion. A large issue of the threepenny silver coinage was also ordered for the convenience of small traders. Alderman COPELAND remarksd upon the frequent re fusal of the solicitor of the Mint to prosecute in charges of passing false money. Mi. HUME wished to knew when the changes recom mended by the Mint commission, now a twelvemonth ago, would take Whet. The public expected some frail to arise from that inquiry. Mr. SHELL said, that in consequence of the report made by the mist eosamission, the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the government ►ad directed their attention to the sub , prat; and the result was that a representation had been made Ito the moneys,* and swayers, intimating that their relation te the mint was to undergo a very speedy and considerable change. The committee would not expect him to go into the details of the change, but so time would be lost in carry ing it into effect. Mr. LAW said the subject of the Mint prosecutions was well deserving the attention of the government °fawn. The Mint stood in a different position, in some respects, from other bodies. If the magistrates recommended prosecu tions, the officers of the Mint, on their own responsibility, either took that course or abetsined from it. If they came into court without sufficient evidence, the court had no means of disallowing the expenses, as in ordinary eases; for as the costs of the prosecutions were defrayed by govern ment the court had nothing to do with it. Thus, the Mint was in a position to wire= from prosecuting with impunity in CUM where they ought to prosecute, and they might prosecute in oases where they ought not, and still be sure of their expenses. The ATTOiNBTOBNERAL explained that the go vernment prosecutions were on many sooonnts very reluct antly undertaken, the principle being that a public officer should ppm, all prosecutor except in cease where, from the nature of the evidence, a conviction was certai n . ... After some farther converse' tion, the vate;;;;;:reted to. the vote for eertela expellees for the guardiaaihip of the public !words, wu followed by a complaint from Kr. HOPII. rewording the insufficient and unsafe depositaries provided for the mast important national &robins. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that s vote would shortly be proposed to the home to pay for buildinn a suitable Record-Mike. Col. 818THORP moved an amendment to a subsequent vote, by whieh 6001. was to be »trenched from the salary of the secretary for Ireland. The amendseent was lost by 166 to 41 vow The house altstrwanls reousiod. COURT OF CHANCERY (IRELAND) BILL. This bill, after a clause relating the retiring allowance for the (vetoers of the court had been Inserted, was read a third Else sad prat ELECTIONS (IRELAND) BILL. Oa the motion that Me be read a third time, Mr. MAURICE O'CONNELL moved that it he pia pone& tenured*, sir, as he had an important amend meat to Nev.. wideb he could not think of bringing for ward at that late bout, sad also as the greet majority of Irish members who would support the amendment had left. blm W. SOMERVILLE sonsylaierd that the bill was postponed iron day to day, and much time lost in souse guano. Sir G. OREY said that u It ware the wish of Irish mem secede. hers to pee pros the dB, the goveiressist weld of anima TAfter a few worde trout Lord J. Maxerzas, which did not reach the riflery, Col. DUNNE said that though he would vote against the bill, he was yet to favour of postponemeat. Sit W. SOMERVILLE then gave nodes he would move the third reading of the bill to-morrow (this) night, pro vided the business of the hium permitted him to do so up to 'levee o'clock. He would net bring it on later. (Hea►, hear.) MEDICAL CHARITIES (IRELAND) BILL. This bill west through committee, after which the house resumed ; when the Centric% Prisons Bill, the Summary Juriodiatien (Ireland) Bill, the Collection of Fines l Ireland) Bill, and the Exchequer Bills (0,668.7001.), were postponed to Friday. METROPOLITAN INTERMENTS BILL. The house went into committee pro fa wed en thle bill, and then resumed; when the Petty Sessions (Ireland) Bib was read a second time. The house again resolved itself into committee, when the Mankipal Corporation'. (Ireland) Bill, sad the Vietries and Vestry Clerks Bill, pared through committee, as did also Um Acts of Parliament Abbreviation Bill. The Court of Prerogative (Ireland) Bull went through commitwe, with the view of fug being referred to a &clout ex/matinee. KILRUSH UNION. The following hon. Inernhare acre, on the motion of Mr. P. SCROPE, chi ten as • select committee on this 'abject: Mr. Poulett Strop-, Sir Wm. Somereille,Sir L O'Brien. the Bari of Arundel and Surrey, Mr. 'Lomeli, Lord Naas, Mr. Stafford, Mr. Herbert, Mr. Fagan, Mr. O'Flaherty, Mr Shaft* Adair, Mr. Bright, Mr. Common Lewis, Sir Robert Fergnson,arilh!!. Clemente. :ADJOUItiIbIENT OP TILE HOUSE. Major BERESFORD gave notice that tomorrow (this day) he would move that tha house should, on its ruing, ad c o to Thursday. The house adjourned at a quarter past I. Vle eroreoo. OUTGOING MATIA. The mails for British North America and the United States will be made up on the evening of May 31. The West India Mails, including Bermuda, Havanues, Noma, Ho-items, New Orleans, and Mexico, and ex lodine .b•oe for Madrirs, St. Juan-de-Nicaragua, New ii e ,,, Ti d a , hull, and Peru, will be made up en the evening of June 1. 1 he mails for Itladeria, the Brasile, and Buenos Ayres, will -e =Lie up on the evening of Jane 4. The mails kr Lisbon, Spain, and Gibraltar will be made up on June 7. the m ai ls cid Marseilles, to the Mediterranean, Eta pt, t.; lon, Indio, Hong-Kong, &e., will be made up on toe syming of June 7. The arils for Gibraltar, Malta, Greece, the lonian Is:ands, *Copt, Ceylon, India, and China, via Southampton, will to made up on the msrning of June 20. 111011 WATIR AT LONDOI4 1111.11102. Tap Dkv—Mnekilkir, P. 74 a. Tookeasow—Mknksag. Alternook. LONDON, TUESDAY, MAY 23. Tne Bishop cf EXETER wIl! now, it is to ba hoped, rest satisfied that Le cannot, by a side wind, revive for any inaction' purpose either the Upper or the Lower Reuse of Ome,cation ; and that he, in his high sta tion, is just as amenable to the Queee's ordinary tri bunals as the meanest of her subjects. In his relent less persecution of Mr. Sainte, he had the satisfaction of thrusting that victim of his episcopal wrath into Exeter gaol ; but, after his scarcely lees vindictive persecution of Mr. oultrlAM, he will have the morti ft:ration of instituting this more fortunate object of his ecclesiastical bigotry into the vicarage of Brampford- Speke ; besides, it is very sincerely to be trusted, paying him his legal costs. And, by tis ducomtiture, that great principle of comprehension which has so long adorned the Church of En,land, is re-established and confirmed. In the midst of the high church confusion woes: confounded, which has followed the decision in Mr. Goausar's case by the Privy Council, two things eve very apparent. First, that the noise, the turmoil, and the disorder are entirely clerical ; and are coon led (even amongst the clergy) to a couple, or at most to three bishops, to a few tractarian archdeacets and a crowd of silly curates, whom Oxford has let loose on society, whose reading is greatly in ad vance of their judgment, and who, seemingly, will remain all their lives what certainly they now are, great boys. S.condly, that these ecclesiastical rioters, in spite of all their protestations, their memo rials, and their flood of pamphlets, have not agreed on what it is they want. They are all, it is true, vastly dissatisfied with the composition of the appzllate court which rebuffed the dogmatil tyranny of Bishop PHlLeorrs; so dissatis fied, indeed, as to be nearly as rebellious and revolu tionary in speech as the ettOwLEits and GeowLees of the Crown and Anchor Tavern. But, unlike that red agricultural conclave, they know net what they want. Some bawl out for Convocation ; others shout for a Synod; one turns to the Bishops for help ; another demands the interference of the Laity to coerce the bishops into furious courses ; this pamphleteer places all his hope in dogmatic teaching; t'other is strongly of opinion that in the greater excommunication only is there any safety. Canon TOWNSEND, of Durham, notwithstanding the cool 6,000/. a-year he gets out of th 3 Church for teaching the doctrines of the Reforma tion, posts off to Rome and begs Pto Nosni to add to his own troubles and instruct us heretics, by summoning a Oenerrl Council; whilst Pro fessor MAURICE, of King's College, issues penny tracts in Fleet-street, recommending hid reverend brethren visit to his tailors' shop somewhere near Oxford-street, and there learn that Clwisran ..Fortalisne is the remedy for all their ecclesiastical woes as for all our national griefs. Mr. SEWELL, of Oxford, and late of St. Columba's, Ireland, contemptuously and angrily rejects and re:mdiates Convocation : stamp ing his foot he denounces it as " a civil creation—a clerical parliament —an institution for purposes of finance—to which the church owes her present trou bles!" After the fashion of the Cameroniane, no thing less ti an " a synod of Guti's ministers, for proclaiming His word," will satisfy this gentle man who seems to know a little of everything but the Bible ; though " with what form and precise jurisdiction," he intends to clothe his synod, when ho gets it, is, he says, " a ques tion for the profoundest research!' Mr. BEN NETT, on the other hand, implores the Laity of Belgravia to arise and mob Buckingham Palace—" to set the church right in this her danger." " The reme dy," he, with comical mystery, assures thit pious but polka-loving locality, "is with you I" His neighbour, Mr. Ism, of the less fashionable, and, we fear, the also lets moral Brampton, is much of the same mind : for he thinks that " a Bishop does not understand theology ono shade better for being a bishop; nor a priest for being a priest ;' whilst Mr. KEBLE, rising in audacity, boldly denies that the bishops " are representatives of the general mind of the church." Nor is this denial of Mr. KEttLE'S with him the mere proposition; ho draws from it a practical conclusion, almost as revolu tionary as the decision LEDRU ROLLIN came to when he resolved to the blouses of Paris, that the Roman expedition being an infraction of the constitution, im posed on thee: the obligation of rebellion. For, argues Mr. KEBLE, the bishops not being the repre sentatives e the general mind of the church, the church never assentc d to the powers of this J ud icial Committee; and for want of its assent, and because the act clothing it with powers was pealed in the session in which ton Irish bishopric. were suppressed, it is the duty of the church to resist the decrees of that tribunal. And, in like manner, Mr. MASERU, Mr. DODSWORTII, Mr. NEALD (all but Dr. PUSSY, struck dumb by the decision it may be presumed), indulge in what poor SYDNEY SMITH (oh, that be were still with us to pillory such ecclesiastical puppyiem !) used to call their " little books of nonsense." To calm tho perturbation, to smother the rebellion, and to avert the insurrection of these red men of the Church of England, oar busy Diocesan has introduced a bill into the House of Lords—not to send them all to the treadmill ecclesiastical—but to erect • purely spiritual court, of bishops only, " to determine any question of doctrine or tenets of the church of this realm arising either in a criminal or civil snit." In such an enactment the first thing that strikes one is the strange inaccuracy of its language. " The church of this realm !" There is here either igno res°. very extraordinary, or (more likely) pretensions very presumptuous. Fur of " this realm " the encl.- siastieal establishment of the southern division of~tb island as not the only church. Blore the throe with Scotland, the " realm" aoesisted of Englatui only ; alter that union, it incl o d e d a ll G reat Britain; atii;„ sequently to the union with Ireland, the wad • realm" signifies the united kingdom ; and the dif. ference between the meaning of the terms " realm" and o dominions" is, that whilst the former to exclusive the latter is inclusive of the coloni es an d t ran/Irwin; dependencies. Now, u the established eourch of this part of the kingdom is not the estabhshed ch urch of the northern portion of this i s and, it is only by e ft abuse of terms that the church of Eogland and lie. land can be called " the church of this realm.' But the pretence on which the bill d is, th at a court, composed of spiritual persone, is nereesszy to give satisfsc ion to the church in the d-dertumstiou of such question'. Now, admitting for an ins -ant this to be so, Bishop BLOXFIILD ought, I th ere be any such necessity, to have plucked up courage to have gone much further than he prop - aes te do. For, alter all, his new trib una l o! only to have appellate jurisdiction ; the h'il still leaves original jutisdiction over " gootio is of doctrine or tenets of the church of this realm," to b e exercised by laymen officiating as judges in tie ecele• siastical courts. Th.-re is an inconsistency item quite fatal, we submit , to the assumption i.: wide, the bill originate s, and wholly at variance with t.... theory that in criminal or civil suits questions of doctrine ought to be decided by churchmen. For, ("act the Bishop's bill, and nine-tenths of tit's-, quer•iiats will still be decided by lay judges; it will way b - ; where length of puree enables a litigant to upper!, that the episcopal court will come into o:ieratiee. But the pretence is wholly unfounded. Thtre is DO general wish for niy such court on the: part of tux church. The ultra high churchmen, uwe Lave stew, repudiate it as wholly insufficient for the emergency ox crisis to which, in their eau& d the church has been brought ; and the low churchmen are utterly opposed to any measure, b: it whi.r it mar, that will increase the power of the tistcps ere jot; whilst to the co; tritution of •• this ream;," a c ourt composed of spiritual persons is u terly repro:ant: it would be intolerable al ke to all our national trarli. tions and to our legal habits. On this last cint, deed, Bishop BLOMFIELD himself would epee: to have misgiving., for his bill only eirecta Lis ep'•• copal tribunal to certify ite opinion to the Judicial Committee ; and though it gee; on to cite: tf•.a.t the opinion " shall he binding and conclos!ve for tle pu pas( s of the appeal," and provides the , it "•hall be specially reported by the said Jir1:•:•..1 c,e ni mittee to her MAJESTY in council," it add. the important words, .• together wit t !heir ed. vice to her MAJESTY on such arpral." New, if the opinion so co titled "shall be nirrlirg tad cmclusiA e for the purposes of the appeal :" ni y notwithstanding the Judicia' Coins:tit , es Las to rep ,rt the opinion to the Succreig.i, wits their own ad.:ye to the Crown on such appeal, it is quite nay, at present it would be meat prob.b/e- -that !'7.e, " advice 'of the Judicial Committee world ii wih the " opiniof: " of ;he b:shops; and in that t 7e: t the So-m.lRn would have to choose bete •:.e " opinion " and the " advice." )fat the Sovereign, in such a dilemma, weeld be to seek responalble aid in de•erruinirg ult'rh to prefer. So that this precious bill mlghr attire:rt . 7 farce the decision of " questions of doctrine tr tett. , rs of the church of this realm," on the political net for the time being ! Such are the elastuditi , • hi:r commit when they meddle with matters of thi<:,r. The bill is, in truth, a measure to place t,t reign in a"Ex ;" to increase the at: • -•.' . • • of the church ; to produce collision betwee r the.% and the highest judges "of this realm ;" toe xi•• ee rate the laity, and to introduce an eLtire'y r ; : r . ciple into our national system cf judicatute. I• et!. , :t pasted, settle nothing, and it may unsettle tve rv•!:H2'. One thing, however, it ewainly vrot.l • :I enacted—incrrate greatly the power or th- sh •• ; and that probably is fiao very be,, vs.on ;even for its summary rejection. By re: c • latioo, the episcopal order has obtained e: rn: .:s powers over the temporalities of the ehe:• , !. : 1 - 4 'hese powers a committee of the rep.itted they have abus -4 to t. _ . prslnal and private advantage. By L. prejudices of the high church party, the ish.: . -. possession of in or di na t e au th or i t y o ver the art s . socie:its furnished with wealth by the I.'ty, • they contrilrre sparingly and meagrely th. 7:•.: and of which their management was so übj...l; cff:nsive, es to lead to the tnrmation (lath:. 6 independent of their control. And now i! poscil to give to the bishops legal jurisliction '• terrnine any question of doctrines or tent:: of church of this realm, arising ei•hnr in a vim's-. civil suit." Why, give them this and they w: little short of masters of the realm. It is not in an iigeWhen;f;tliechurch (lE:gal, pretensions almost papal have been prof oun !td. the power of the bisk pi ougl - .t to be LikpLeutt is rather at such a time that the more ration .-.1 v:ews of the new Dean of Briirol, the Rev. GILZERT ELLIOTT, ought to prevail—viz., that it is - n church which is created by the law, upheld by the'..: r, paid by the law, and which may be changed by the 1:.-v." THE CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Milt reedy have discovered that his Savings Banks Bill is an unsuccessful attempt at legislation. Since the house adjourned for the Whitsuntide rreese, st-ance has poured in upon xemonattance, and repre sentation upon representation, until the right hon. gentleman's budget of " unanswered letters ' the celebrated collection of communications which followed the introduction of the Stamp These remonstrances and representations proceed from every quarter of the kingdom in whLii a savings bank exists. The managers and trustees have for the most part adopted the views eroposedtil...t. the serge. gate meeting, held ct St. NI 1r: en's-pia,e, last week. They tell Sir CHARLES We et? very plainly that his treasurer system will not work: aid that, except as regards the appointment of inspeet" the bill contains nothing which is calculated either to increase the utility of savirgs bank•, or to angina'. their stability or safety. The appointment of government inspectors of savings banks is not objected to inane qu.rtor. The trustees and managers of most of the he its mtge. indeed, that this part of the measure should be passed into a law. The superintending committee of :he Bioomebury Bank are of opinion : " That the appoiLt meat of permanent inspectors, duly qualiti,d, woul establish a sufficient cheek without interfering with the existing arrangement of w oi-conducted banks.' At Warrington the managers have resolved, That this meeting desires to express its approval of the provisions introduced into the bill for the appoint ment of inspectors." And so say the moortgers of the savings bank at Grantham—" The inere:tion and audit proposed by the bill present the only alter:it:ors which it is desirable to introduce." But whilst the savings banks agree upon th'e point they also agree that the proposed division 01 the responsibility between the government and the managers—by the appointment of ',salaried treasurer for each bank—is in the highest degree objectiJnab:e. A " Memorandum of the new Savings fink sent up from Dundee, declares that "Midi 11 division of responsibility would lead to con fusion, would be derogitory to the p-esent trustees and managers, and incompatible with the in dependent discharge of their duties." 'lip Glasgow managers are of opinion, "That the appointment of paid treasurers should be dispensed with, or limited to those cases in which the Inspector or the trustees may recommend its adoption." The Warrington trustees declare that the treuurer ship clause " is extremely objectionable, inasmuch as it tends to place the management of the institution entirely in the hands of paid ottixrs and thus virtually to nullify the sup:rvision of those gentlemen who day by day devote their attention to the interests and salutary operations of the bank. The superintending committee of the Bloomsbury Savings Bank, one of the largest in the kingdom, agreed to the following resolution : "That Weil-eon elected hankie do not require for their benefit the proposed arrangement of an indirect g uarantee, through the appointment of a triteesurer, tor do the depositors need it for their security." The super intending committee of the Brighton Savings Bank go even further. They say "If the appointment of a treasurer, as proposed, be persisted in, this com mittee entertain no doubt that it will be followed by the resignation of the managers, and that a largo portion of the public who have hitherto taken in in terest in these institutions will no longer join n Pm" meting their welfare or prosperity." The banks also declare, usei pore, that the PeePcl a limitation of deposits and reduction of the rats of lA' 1 1 1 1 1