The Express. — London, England, 1855-07-11 00:00:00

_ ,;/-7,7- °fl3r-eSCS • EVENING EDITION OF THE DAILY NEWS. No. '2,774.) --=___-_----_ VAU.DENIE.—Oar Customers from Pots ma. r, &hilly Arm that they hats racy met with BRANDY to 1 w ere is ezewillooe silk that width they bate heroin the habit a ,awmf from ws In Tees* Auks, St elf. per tkam.-1111N137 ma ty at Co., Ohl Farstrh's Duality, Itsibirs. Tug BEA R D , W RISK ERS,and MUSTACHIOS. lb* =pretrial/Id maws ROWLOIDIP MAChelOOlt OIL irodu bli tteeteemiehe et lbelteel er kasha sad 00 .661(4. iod nelledildibrll~lololMblidladd. N ee esithe. tbe MOW etaltedies. 0111eleemeet Imilmis peepteUe. tow thi a the Med i sturbbee the Ws It Ile eialleee wee. a pretetes evett dimes Mem Siert sal Disheer. seggee y, aid loni preelitsel Weft Owen thee Wt. qu a d lusarlosa ndaddnig. SIM Yea peehtef Mem a. rn .ut, tw. rummy Now 1 1l os trar ao •tallie. aid deities Owl ose. 210. NY bottle. ein b y a . No mad t u tte e.rezees. Iced" owl by el amble awl Pee. two* THROWI:IId ARITLINETICAL Qt:VVTIONS. 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News Aron. - QAYSWATER.-DAILT NEWS LENT TO .1.) MEAD; and supplied to tbe osoalry by main( pest, at Dior d. et quarter, paid to alsours. Y. 1111:11tBICIL, Osocrelsereee, *set. rews, osowdests THE HOUNDSDITCH CLOTHES MART. Yesterday morning a deputation of tratiommem con sisted with the Roandaditth Clothes; Mart, inelediag Mr. Levy, its proprietor, had aa interview, by appointment, with Lord Robert Grosvenor, at hie house in Park-street, to sell his attentioa to the injurious misreprthet.tatiouo to which they had been esposed, in connexion with bla recently abandoned Salida, Trading Bill. 1 The &pawn's, who were most courtiromly received, submitted to the attention of his lordship the attacks made inch the character of the Clothes Mart tradesmen by Mr. JEST Se, mu in the Roam of Commons, and by the Rev. Mr. Huge, curate of St. Ritolph, Bishopegate, through the oalumas of a daily newspaper, who had branded them se thieves ants felons, and accused them of living eatithly by disreputable means. The fast, however, wee that the tradespeople connected with the Clothes Mart were quite as basest as tradespeople in other localities; and with regard lathe charge that the goods sold in the mart were pithei pally the produce of robberies, the deputation amend hie krdship that they were always honestly come by. One smarm through which they found their way to the mart was that of the " Old Clo' " men, whom fame were en familiar to the West-end. Another source, the fashiestable helloes el the West-end, from whom the Meemsditch tradesmen purchased their 'misfits; another, tie journey- Mee tailin of the district, who purchased cheap doth and made op garments for 11.1110 in the Mart, SO IS to save the profit of the middlemen ; sad finally, the aaredistmed pledgee of pawnbrokers and the section-rooms of the metropolis. Clothes thus obtained were mild cheaper than Is any other part of the metropolis, and were bought not only by the poor these, bat also by wholesale dealers from different parts of England, and segaddly hem Irehted, to witch country ism , quantities we SWlT g uiported. Eider these circumstances the defleliblik ht it ea new gva l ly hard that trey should be so milempressated • principally becalms of their habit of trading, sad therefore they sypealed to his lemliblps the by of setting themselves right he* is hie egbloa and that *the public. It was true they bed glees areleilleW 'Meddle to the Seciday Trading Bill, whist' was area* ruppmad to the interests both of buyers tad 'ellen in thelir mart, bat that they considered they . had a peeled ideals de. Lord R. Onosvxmoa, in reply, adnattedi that they had .rely sited is a legitimate manner in the appoolden widish they had given to his bill. With repord to the missy* Its/ought against the mart by Mr. Her &yam., heabedbt thee were hardly of se sweeping an as the iopemefoa bad represented ; but his own °panics of the mont h owl in rased character, bad been formed, sot upon the roomer tattoos of that gentleman, bat upon those of the City mitt NOGlifief, who bad represented its son= of Sunday trading es being decidedly detrimental* the renews. character of the district, sad It was upon dal liiimed hie Own objections were bend. The artkuk la kat wee an Wear:ion to people who, if it were stet would make their purchases elsewhere, and out seethe day than the liebbeth. However, *wadi make *Om as mesa meat submitted to him, sad summaalsom - ilis summit The deputation theabodhle lamisarip Mr Ms adimatimit aad before isavieir him szpsuimsdl dmdmariusS et Imo Musk Mad* upset his hoes' by ties nub es Sealy Meta, ummadog Ws lordship that with that stank at the prosalies diermaasers ties the people ef Heenan** had maims essissmiss air irliPsak7 Lord It.. Ciaoovarroa said sea as asmammass was til l sa marry, for he attributed Um visions which boat someofttod to ea mainly diarist tailattast Ito &risottos thee witadrsw. COURT OF AL DERMlRN.—Yeeterday • end was auranoned for the deapatab of pablie bes&aso wins &r J Musgrove, Bart., took tbo *hair ma hem dome de the Lerd Mayor. Alderman Fambrothm objected to tdo of the clammiest appointing a looms taissu, spa the round that although it had app , aded to it the algastaro of Um Lord Mayor, Tat it bad no goal awed to It. Tho otysetion woo bald to bo fatal, and the lasaben Lass diately saporatod, no Nudism bar's' Woo transitotod. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—Tuzinuy, JULY 10. 1 The Luau exascau.oa took his seat oa the woolsack at 6 technic. THE HANOO MASSACRE. army seises& Therekee it wu that b• was about to romi— Mr. RDEBUCH rose to order—Surely tho hog. mentor (Ir. Stafford) had right to bass his question ou the report _ . Of the Sebastopol oonsittee. The SPlteliltli said it any hon. gentlenien objected, ( f course the bon. member for Bury could net proceed, as there was no question before the house. Mr. F. PEEL said he would not read the letter which he wee about to read. He wished to state, however, that the government having been asked by an hon. member opposite, on a previous occasion, whether they intended to take ad vantage of the offer made by the writer of the letter in the Teases, a letter from the war department was addressed on the following day to the editor of the Times, requesting that ia order that the enquiry might be conducted in tte Imost satisfactory manner, they might be furniutied with the name of the Writer, and the result wee that the editor The Earl of MALMESBUB.Y asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what had been done with respect to the firing by the Russians on the boat's crew at Hang* bearing a flag of truce ? The Earl of CLARENDON was sorry to say that be was notyetis a position to supply the further information which Its noble friend naked for. Admiral Dundee had asked for eiplanatione, and General de Berg replied to that demand by unsupported charges. The only passage in that despatch that was unsaid , red satisfactory was that, instead of 17 men being murdered, es we thought, then were only 7, end a number of others wounded. An answer had been sent to that despeteh by the instruction of hie hon. friend the Secretary to the Admiralty. Admiral Dendas stated that it was Impossible to disbelieve the statement made that the gas of trues had been hoisted, god had been seen, and that is wee the known custom is the Baltic, as elsewhere, to hoist • white a l , as an easouneemenit of • peaceful character; ..bie glen if tbs n o Una load not been wan. Admiral D u du saw no justification whatever for the Rus sians attacking a boat's crew with so over yhelmieg • force In simmer to G lDe Berg's statement, that the men did not go on a peaceful mission, Admiral Dundee was is. Mooted to state the fact that the muskets were at the bot tom of the boat, that they were not loaded, and that that were covered with a tarpaulin,, and therefore the fact of the weaken being in the boat meat have bees unknown to the Ilasise*. And then with regard to the Run's& flag being heisted, as the noble lord had said, it was • common strata. gem premised by all cations. The only limit was, that the crew hoisted the teal nalonel colour before the commence ment of hostilities. With regard to the statement that an attack had been made, tinier cover of a flag of truce, on en anprotected village, government had no such 'nformation. On the contrary, the instructions to Admiral Dundee were to state that her Mali say's g iverament could not be lieve that any officer in her Maj. y's service had used • flog of trams with soy such object. With regard to the state ment that appestat in the newspapers of soundings having Imell taken ins the bay of Kerteb, taking advantage of a flag fiese for that purpose, it elides happen that before the =lof General De Berg arrived in England , a d e nial :t made of any such proceeding having taken place. Under these circumstance's, till we could know the real facts lithe case, and in what simmer the flag of trees was hoisted, which we should not know till Lieutenant Oseeste end his companion were est at liber.y, Admiral Donde* was last/acted to demand the immediate release of these wi eners, and the Danish government had been requested to represent to the Russian government that until her Majesty s government got the evidence of Lieu , Genesis, till they clearly knew what the facts of the case were, and till they received the answer of the Remiss government, they could not decide on what course they should pursue. Lord CAMPBELL said, having devoted • considerable portico's: . his life to the study of international law, he could state that, on densest De Berg's own showing, the Rus sians, on the occasion referred to, had been guilty of • vio lation of international law. With regard to the hoisting of Ru•slan flip, it was well known that that was a stratagem that wee commonly rs pored to by all nations. Lord COLCHESTER said it was no satisfaction to 4a to have losses through the misconduct of the enemy. He trusted that instructions would be given that the utmost strictness should be observed with regard to flags of truce. He did not mantissa these things u at all exculpatory of the conduct of the enemy. The subject then dropped. bopped to be excused from mentioning the waiter's name. Sir J. TROLLOPE said the isomer of tte hon. gentle man that evening was, not in conformity with one which be had given on the same subject on a former mutant, which was that the medical department of the army was to bi pai orrisi - eittirili row footing, and 111 Ife governed by a board. lie would now ask the bon. gentian's whe ther it was intended to appoint so individual ti superintend the medical department Or a board ? Mr. F. PEEL said ea individual connected with the medical arrvice of the army would be appointed by the war &partway to succeed Dr. &Mtn ; the other appoint. matte 'mold be made by the board. THE NEW TURKISH LOAN. EXCHANGE OF PRISONERS. The Earl of DIALMES BURY asked whether government had adopted any course, or received any information, with respect to the exchange of prisoners ? The Earl of CLARENDON said be bad the satisfaction of being able to answer that question. Proposals bad been made to the Russian government, end there was to be a j , int commission of French sad Blueish °Seen on the sub ject. VICTORIA GOVERNMENT BILL. The bills acceding constitutions to the South Australian Colonies were read a mond time on the motion oil Sol OLVIVILLI, after a brief discussion. THE DIPLOMATIC SERVICE. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE moved for some ratline reepecing the diplomatic service, and to. k occasion to Wu dilate the functionaries composing the diplomatic and con sular body from the aspersion which, he contended, bad been east upon them with respect both to their probity and their ability. Some discussion took place, after which the returns were ordered. Their lordships adjourned at ten minutes past 8 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TUUDAY, JULY 10. ETINING SITTING. NOTICES OF MOTION. LORD J. RUSSELL AND THE VIENNA CON FERENCES. Sir E. B. LYTTON gam notice that on Friday night, en the order. of the day for going into committee of supply, or otherwise when opportunity might be afforded to him, be should moves resolution to the followiog effect: " That'll, conduct of our minister in the recent negotiations at Vienna has, In the opinion of this house, shaken the confidence of the country in those to whom its affairs are entrusted." DR. SMITH AND DR. HALL, AND THE ARMY HOSPITALS IN THE BAST. Mr. A. STAFFORD wished to ask the Under-Sseratary of the War Department whether Dr. Andrew Smith had retired; and whether Dr. Hall, after the publioatioa of the report of the Sebastopol Committee, still continued Medical Impactor General of the Army in the Esat. Mr. F. PEEL said Dr. Smith still officiated as the head of the medical department, and be would continue to do so until his successor had been appointed. Considering the great amount of current business to be performed in that department, it would be very inconvenient if thine were any bre.k as regarded nyerinteadenee ; and considerable time and care would be required to select a person fully qualified to succeed Dr. Smith. With regard to Dr. Hall, he had to state that, during the time that Lord Passim had bees at the head of the War Department, no complaints kid bsem mode u to the manner In which be had performed bib dads; t ea the contrary, satisfaction had been impressed. NG al aware that the committee had stated that they were at a bee to understand how the report which Dr. Hall made with regard to the hospitals at Scutari could be reconciled with the state of those hospitals at the time ; bat, at the same time, that report was made in the math el October last, and therefore Lord Fawn* had net calessed Dr. Hall from the superintendeaos of the medical dew► meat is the East. Au Box. 1111111311 wished to knew whether the home was to understand, from the hes. gentleman's answer, that the gevera meat was sandlot' with the tendert of Dr. Hall? Mr. F. FEEL said, during the time that Lord Passers had been at the head of the war department, the govern. meat had had TOMOS 10 be satisfied with the way la which Dr. Hall had performed his duty. Mr. ROEBUCK said the hoe. member (Mr. Peel) had stated that Dr. Hall made his report is the month of Go ober, .• and thenfore"—hei quoted the hon. gentleman's own words—(bear, heu)—Lord Penman had sot thought St to remote him. He wished to know whether that therefore" was what the bon. gentleman relied epos. (e. Hear, hear." sad laughter.) Mr. F. PEEL said oertainly not. The lesson why Dr. Mall remained inspostorgeneral of hospitals was because during the time that Lord Pawner* had been at the head si the war departmest so ground had been shown for feel lag any clbsatiefactios at the way in which he had performed his duties. He thought he might infer that these caustics. with regard to the removal of Dr. Hall arose oat of a latter which appeared is tM Times of last Thursday, to the effect that there were defects in the medical arrangements for the assault of the 18th of hue—(hem, hear)—end believing that to be the ease, he would refer to a medial meineesadma (as was undentood) is Dr. Hall's vis ibilities. The statement is the Time was that oa the 18th of June the womb,/ were left without any bed, aid that on the 19th they were left without say food wept dry Mr. STAFFORD said his question did set refer to that matter at all ; the mead as which he put his naiades was distinstly stated in the sedge. Mr. F. PEEL amassed: Bat the hoe. palliates% question was as easel repetition of one whisk bed ben put to him by anodise hem member ; ami Immediately lewiep the letter which he read from Dr. Hall e it imbed that Dr. Hall's statement was not to be bolimad. and Mali' isepUeit coedit wee to be etteebed to the etabolgest of Se LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, JULY 11, 1.4: 5. -- --- Mr. J. L. RICARDO said, some time since he ventured to put a question to the noble lord at the head of the go vernment with respect to the rumours as to a guarantee at a loan to the Turkish government, and the noble lord gave him an &o'er which 'plowed to him to &hug an erro. Wrens intpressi:ll. A p►get de lot had been presented to the French Chamber on she subject of • guarantee, and perhaps the noble lord would ~ow tell the house, first, whe bee the government was about to guarantee a loan to the Sultan ; secondly, when toe question would be brought ' before the bowie, and in what form ? Lord PALMERSTON—At the time when the hon. member Delors asked me a question on the subject, I INS not is a condition to make him any other answer than that which I gem Sines that time a treaty has been signed between France end England on the one bend, and the Sultan on the other, by which the governments of Fiance and Eaglann make certain engagements with regard to a loan of 6,000,G001, which the Sultan is to raise. The en gagement, on the part of this co•:utry, is that her Majesty engages to recommend parliament to guarantee one hall of that wan, France guaranteeing the other half. It is to be • joint guarantee on the port of Englaod and ' , meet. No treaty is yet actually signed, and when the ratifications have been exchanged an application will be made to parliament. Sir DE L. EVANS inquired whether the treaty would include • provision as to the employment of the proceeds for military rupees. ? L ird PALMERSTON—In the arrangements made be tween the two governments Care will be taken that the proc.eds shall be applied to the military purposes for which the loan is to be raised. - --- THE POSTAGE OF NEWSPAPERS. In reply to a question from Mr. BMA, Mr. J. WILSON said that, it a newspaper were put into the Pon-attic" without a stamp, it would of course Ivu obuted as a package, according to weight. Cases in which a stamp had been I'm off woald be treated u it there had never been a stamp. GOVERNMENT SITUATIONS AND WOUNDED AND DISABLED SOLDIERS. Mr. W. 8. KNOX wished to asi the noble lord at the head of the government a question of which be bad given him notice—namely, whether it wee the intention of the government to reserve such situations in the pubic service ea were suitabl• fee woubded and disabled soldiers who had d in the Rest, particularly oath (Aces as were con nected with she Wor Department? Lord PALMERSTON—I brg to say that those persons at the head of the venous departments who aro responsible for the eelee.ion of persona w fill the vacancies which may arise in those departments will of course ecercise their des cretion as to what they may think best for the public sir-' oboe, and most in unison with the claims of the different candidates whose names may be submitted to them. (Hear ) LORD J. RUSSELL'S SPEECH ON FRIDAY LAST. Mr. DISRAELI said he wished to make an inquiry of the noble lord the Secretary of States for the Colonies, and, although that noble lord was not present, as he thought there ought to be no delay in such a matter, he would at ones state on whet point it was that he desired information. The noble lord the other night in the observations which he made informed the house what occurred in her Majesty's councils on his return from his mission at Vienna. He wished to know from the noble lord whether he had re. etived her Msjest3's gracious permission to mike that com munication to the House of Commons ? PUBLIC BUSINESS. 1414, tea questnn from Mr. 1:11111LIT, Sir W. MOLES WORTH said the Metropolis Dianne meat Bill would be takes on Thursday morning next, and the Metropolis Buildings Bill on Tuesday morning. ADMINISTRATIVE REFORM. Mr. V. SCULLY roe* to move "that an bumble address be presented to her Majesty, thanking her Majesty for her most erazious Order in Council of the 21st day of May last, by which certain persons were dirseted to examine into sad certify the qualifications of all young men pro posed to be appointed to junior situations in any depart ment of the civil service ; and praying that her Majesty will be graciously pleated to direct the examination to be at even one, and held in public, and that the eta tethers do base regard to superior qualifications and merit." The hoe. and learned member oberrved that be bad in. eluded In his Motion the diplomatic and consular services; but, in order to simplify the matter, he should reserve those departments for the present. The only points which he wished to attain upon that ootheims were that the examine doe of civil servants should be open to all, and that those examinations should be conducted in the only manner in which satisfaction scald be given—namely, in public. These propeaalt, if carried into effect, would render &doll. Digestive reform a reality. Viscount OODERICH seconded the motion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the hoc. gentleman who bad brought the subject under the coa ct tendon of the bouts had re .thentended it to their atten tion by stating that it was • measure in pursuance of administrative reform. Now, her Yojesty's government were as desirous of promoting administrative reform as either the hon, member himself, or es any other hon. gentleman in the house amid be ; and the gayeties, therefore, that re mained was, wtat was the particular administrative reform whisk the bon. [gentleman sought to effect? Under the term " administrative reform," he (Sir 0. C. Lewis) could conceive two Masse, of measures. The one would consist in ea examination into all the ezistiog department., with respect to the qualifications of those employed in them, the distribution of their labours, the number of persons to em ployed, their duties, and their efficiency. In former die . SWUM he (the rig hti bon. gentleman) had stated to the house that a series of investigations into all thee* matters had been instituted by the successive governments of his *obis friend and Lord Derby. Tame investigations were conduethel by competent persons, and all the practical re commotdaticas °pulsated in their reports bed been curiel into offset. He ehaLenged any hos. member to say that ' thoraces, well sustained, had not been made by successive governments, both for secertaining the defects which might . hist in the different public aepartments, for removing thine detests, and for increasing their efficiency. (Hear, hear.) The second oleos of measures cannscted with administrative reform had reference to an improvement In the general character of the civil service, and on tbis point be need not again travel over the ground over which his right bon. friend (Mr. Gladstone) had gone in his historical account of what had already been done with that view, or of the step* which had reeulted in the issuing 01 the order in conceit in May last. That other in roused was intended to improve the civil service, subject to the general isomlldeas by which it was now Dowd , toted. At present dare were separate e l iminations ' in • gnat majority et this public departments, but they were examinations ethluelal under the authority of the r heads of those dopertmenta sad they were not conducted on I , any telltale er onaelematplaa. The object of the order in eouscil, tbarseaue, was to place all these examinations under one hoard, whisk obirald idrednee a system of regt.luity into the mode el madocalag them, and which should be at the same time lemispendent of all influences connected with the several dirpoinerrate. It was intended to create a , standard auk WO for all new pewees to be intro , deed ince the palate minim ; but the plan was to be subject ' to tbenniadag riplallems with respect to nomination and ' Trament. The emandsoinases had been appointed; bad already mama' apse their duties, and the I boa. member bimielf &W OW that what had been , dons was a stop in the sight dlirealea. Bat the honourable gentleman said that it wee an unsatisfactory and inufficient measure, and that lt was incumbent upon the hones to call upon the grown to set in mottos its prerogative for the put pose of medium the existing order, and substituting for it • new or de r founded apes the resolution he had moved. There were three pasts on which the system proposed by the hen, member differed from that which had beet h.i,hed time government. The boa. gentleman in tbi ndu gitrst plate proposud that tbe examinstions should be cocted in public—seat he proposed that any person mignt tf, hirissel as • candidate without teeing any qualification whatever— Mr. SC LJLLY—So far from suggesting that the candi dates should have no qualifications„ I proposed that they i.hntild have the best qualifications that could be procured. (Hear, bees.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER meant to say that the candidates would have no preliminary qualifica tion in order to be admitted as candidstesi arid that their qualifications for °Moe would be afterwards ascertained by the emmination. Lastly, the hon. gentleman proposed that the ett.j.ct of the examination should be sot to determine whether the candidate came up to a certain etaudard, bet whether he was the beet of a given number of pawns who bed entered into competition with each other with the situation as the prize. The necessary eff. et of adopting this plan would be that no one would be re. sponsiule tor the appointment of any of these public ser vants, many thousands in number. There would, in fact, be no veto on the Dart of the crown to tie appointment of any penon who had received the certificate ui the board if examinee. (Hear, Lear.) But I • (the right hon. baronet) would proceed to notice the three proposals of the bon. member in their order. In the first place came the question of publicity of examination. At present all the examine doss were conducted in writing ; and that beg the case it _ accessary to remark that the admissive of to w oo be wholly nugatory; for there could be no advantage in permitting the public to see a number of pntlemen aittiog round a table and wr.tiog their answers to • let of questions which had been famished to them. (Hear.) The hon. gentleman wished oral examinations to he substi tuted for eliminations in sensing ; but he (Bir 0. Lewis) had so reason to bedew) that a practice which had been followed for l years in all the public departments, which bad been the result of experience proceeding tenta tively, was not the moat efficient that could be adopt. d. The hon. gentleman had stated that all the university examinations were public. The hon. member might no doubt be better informed, but lis (Sir G. Lewis's) own ex perience led him to believe that a very large proportion of the university examinations were conducted in whiner, acid that the porno) were not admitted to them. At Cambridge such he believed to be the case. At the examinations fur scholarships at Gilead, at which he had had the honour of being an, immune, sot even the nesmb.ne of the university were admitted. (Hear, hear.) On the whole, therelorr, he (the right hon. gentleman) was at • loss to conceive what would be the advantage to be cierived from publicity. The really importaut part of the bon. gentleman'. plan was the permission w bo given to all persons to constitute them selves candide, es, and the proposal to reader the exemi• nations competitive. The first objection to such a system was that to which he had already alluded, namely, that it would abolish all personal responsibility. At prwent, for every a ppoinmeat, from the hignest to the lowest, somebody was responsible, either the head of the department, or the Commisaiouers of the Treasury. If an improper sp. pointment was made they could flu the responsibility upon some definite member of the government, and they could call him to account. But suppose under the proposed system an improper appointment was made—and he sup posed that the honourable member would not go the length of saying that it would work perfectly—who would then be r.sponsible ? Nabody could be called to account for the original nomination—the candidate had nornicated himself. The examiners would say that they had proposed certain subjects to the candidsted3 they had examined the answers without knowing the names of those who had given them In; they had affixed to each certain arithmetical mark', and on aiding them up they had given their certificate to toe candidate who had obtained the greatest number. Thus sU personal responsibility for the appointor at would be completely eluded, cod that seemed to him (Sir G. Lewis) to be one treat objection to the plan. (Mar, hear.) Another objection was, that it would be impassible by such an examination as wee coo templated—wd examinations were nut always a satinsetory tent even of intellectual attainments—to geese the moral qualities of the candidate. They did not want for the public offices men of ambitious and eager aispolitions—men who sought to *Avenue themselves rapidly is the world; but they wanted trustworthy men—men industrioua and attentive, who would perform the duties en signed to them by their suorriors (Hear, hear.) How could they ascertain whether the candidates pawned those qualities by any i•timey examination? (Hr. W.WiI , llama—Hear, hear) What would be the class of perms who would in all probability succeed is the great majority of 'lives They would find that schoolmasters, and ambers in schools— persons who bad been employed is the practical business of education—would be, for the most part, the successful candidates. Sach pewees would be the most apt in answering arithmetical question", and they would be able to give the best replies to such ordinary problems es would be proposed to the candidates. They would be the moat experienced in the process of examination, end they would thus come to the tria! with advantages which other persona would not have. He hoped he should not be under • stood to east the =ellen refi: etion upon this most respectable class of the community, whose employment be honoured as much as any member of the house ; but be would suggest for their consideration whether they should give advantages to that class net poo• reseed by other classes? (Hear, hear.) The public servants were of tee classes—one, the clerks in the superior offices, whose employmeat might be called intellectual ; apd the other consisting of that numerous clam of persona who were employed in the nestles deprtments, whose mrnees could scarcely be designated by that name. Did the house think that any great advantage would mese from cdtablishing com petitive examinations for plain as boatmen is the rhea' guard, tidewaiter', weighers in the Custem.house, Peat office Merienyere, or messengers in the public departments ? (Hear, hear.) He (the right hon. baronet) fully agreed with those who thought it most desirable that they aheuld have a standard for offices is every class, theluding the lowest. Nobody could be mon dispoeed to enforce • rigid examination into the qualifications of persons seeking em• ployment in every department ; bat he must ask whether they would derive great advantage from establishing com petitive examinations between the candidate' for situations in the class on which he was now remarking ? (Hear, hear.) He would go even further, and ask whether they could apply the principle with ad vantage even to the higher claw* of public servants ? The house must not shrink from approaching this pert et the subject, which the mover of the neolatioa bad most eldn lonely avoided. If they were to make the appointment of educated clerks, wh a were to hold responsible, sod often very important and difficult situations in public offices, de peed upea a competitive examination, would they stop with them? Woulu they not apply the same principle of competition to persons holding higher and more important situations? Would they undertake to appoint permanent undersecretaries of elate, permanent Secretaries of the Tree- Bury, permanent secretarial of the Admiralty, by a literary competitive examination? Would they undertake to ap point judge+ of public court", commissioners of bankrupt, and legal officers of different descriptions, by a competitive examination ? Would they go higher, sad appoint the judges of th- superior courts in this way ? (Hear, hear.) If this principle were so good,— if it were to work with infallible, with mechanical regu larity for the selection of clerks in an office, who often suer clod most difficult and responsible functions there, and exercised them in obscurity—would they say that it was Impossible to carry the principle further ? If the priaciple could not, is nation sad common sense, stop at the point where the hos. member fixed it, would any hoe. member in that house get up and say that he was willing to trust all the great permanent appointments of the country, judges and others, to a competitive literary examination ? It was utterly impossible, if they %reed to the address proposed, that they should stop at that point, and not carry it out to all the permanent civil service of the crown. But, in con sidering this priaciple of a competitive examination for the civil service, it was natural that they should look at the general o:lenience of mankind. It was an almost cer tain presumption that • great principle of this sort, which had been proposed for the first time for practical adoption in the year 1866, was at least liable to some strong objection, which escaped notice on the first consideration, and to which the hon. member had not called the attention of the house. Looking back late history, we did not find that any country hitherto—whatever its form of government—had ever selected its civil servants by a competitive examination. Not to weary the house with historical allusions, he would only take the great republic of antiquity—the great masters of government end jurispru canoe In antiquity, who were the authors of almost all that was important in practical politics—the Romans. Did the Romans ever think of appointing consuls, or vetoes, or any of the great officers who administered their drain at home, or carried their triumphant espies over the whole of Europe, by • competitive ezamination ? Looking at more modern times, had a single country la Europe ever resorted to this priaciole ? Did Italy, under any of its forms of ',Tommie% ? did Say of the republics of Italy ?—did any of the sovereign ties al Italy, eves resort to this method? Did the great ifs memeerelay resort to this method, whim it extgaisd Me diemimien owe the India, as well as over 4 large OM et Bente P Del France, in the plenitude of its power, ever thisk-ef its civil inmate by • slow petitive emmalmatien T Mad Mad, the pest asistrees of SeentleSlSSl MIMS •Saala emir restated to thie matted Had ewe essossiesin tbe Ainerisene. ame. woes to sine membus el lbw bee" naMerigped their Mrtrton in den whim, and _wit% at Amps, bad care the Weed want the pdaeOtee of • pepsine demo erotic government, bad they eves eemeted he the principle it • competitive examination for doll amments ? So fat from this being the caw, It was well known, such was the popular jealousy la bowies, that whenever a new pane sweseded to power, ft was compelled to make • elms sweep of all administrative employments, to eject ell those employls who were dependent oa the party formerly ia power, and to /rpm them by affhetenlo •f their owa. He was amazed (Stamped Id. Additional.) [TWOPENCE. by those who could not be mistaken on the subject that the popular jealousy in America was directed against the per manent retention in office of civil servants, upon the ground that their appointment ought to rest upon political and purely political grounds. He did not defend that principle. In this country, each political party as it succeeded to power took the permanent appointments of its predecessors in the civil service, and thus contributed in the most effective to the proper administration of the government. No person would deplore mere than to should to see that principle invaded. He merely referred to the example of America to show what was the practice of that unquestion ably enlightened and popular form of government, and how far it was from recogoiaMer the principles recommended by the hon. gentleman. They had heard a great deal in recent debates about the incompetence of government to manage its swn aff.irs, of the ignorance of persons appointed to public offices to discharge their duties, of the inefficiency of mato critic holders of pnblio functions, and of the importance of following the maniple of the mercantile chows in the ad ministration of public affairs. Could any light be derived from the example °Clairmont,' bodies with respect to the appointment of their servants ? Did joint stock companies, railway companies, dock companies, or any of the numerous bodies organised for commercial and 'Remounts pursuits, wader special acts of parliament, in different parts of the country, in appointing their civil servants, resort to the principle of competitive ezmninatioo, and not of discre tionary choioe ? (Hear, hear.) He =Let defy the mover of this resolution to point out a single instance of these enlightened bodies, guided by rothing but a tonsideratien of their own interest and that of their shareholders, appoint ing their semelatier, manager., and the numerous ether persons whom they employed, by • system such as he re commended. Did they not all inquire into the character of tee persons recommend, d—(hear) —one did I they not select those whom they thought would he the fisest, precisely in the some manner in which public ser i vests were selected by the State ? But if the hon. bet's principle was good fsr the civil servants of the crown, he could not atop there ; be must apply it to the versus employed by all municipal functionaries, by all magistrates, by all public bodies exercising in different mano,rs a dele gated authority, but un authority of a public nature. If it wan to be made a m ewer of public right, why should they allow any person to mire forward as a candidate fur a mon positive examination for a clerkship in the Home-office or i the Treasury, and debar him from beiog a competitor for the office of clerk to the magistrates, governor of a county prison, rierk toe board of guardians, town clerk to • map°. I ration, or any of these numerous municipal and local offices with which this country &hounded, and which he strongly suspected were not lees in comber than the civil servants of I the crown ? It the hon. member was consistent In his principles—if ha really believed in their efficacy, and thought that they could be safely acted on, ha was bound to bring in • bill—not merely to propose an address to the crown—applying the MU* principles to all the lota' offices above referred to. With respect to the order in council now under consideration, ho would call the atten tion of the house to this circumstance. It was admitted to he a step in the right direction. It unquestionably secured, if honestly and effectively acted upon, efficiency on the part of every person appointed; and be could give the most positive assurance to the house that in appointing the ex aminers, and in all the subsequent steps that had been taken, the government had acted with perfect good faith, end with a desire to reader the measure as efficient as omelet°. (Hear) The plan that had been adopted, if it did cot secure the best candidates, would, by means of the examination for arts degrees, secure that every person should have a certain amount of crept ition. Since the commissioners had been in ethos they had granted certificates to 10 clerks' ' and to 15 persons for subordinate situations ; and they bad re fused certificates to fire clerks and to four persons in sabot dini4e situations. They had thus granted 25 certificates, and bad refused nine. That result had been accomplished within a few weeks, and must satisfy the house that the examination was not a mere form, but a substantial security fur the limes" of tie candidates. (Hear, hear) The order in council was so drawn that if any head of a department come to select a certain number of persona as cindidates, and to express his wish that the examiners should select the beet out of those proposed, it would be competent to con duct an examination upon that plan of competition. The order was drawn intentionally so as to give considerable latitude in the execution of it; by its terms it was comes tent to every head of a department to send 8 or 10, or .any number of names to the examiners, with the request that they would select one or two of the best ; and then it was competent to him to appoint the persons so selected. It did not go the length of throw ing open, without any discretion whatever, to the world at large, the right of constituting themselves, without soy qualification whatever, either pecuniary, intellectual, or moral, candidates for admission to the polio service. The order afforded, therefore, within its own terms, consideeable latitude in the execution of it; and it was intended, more over, that it should be carried into effect in an honest and efficient manner. It was only established It the end of May, and therefore had been scarcely in operation ala weeks. Under these circumstances he would ask the house weather, so soon after the issue of an order by her Majesty in council, which was admitted to be dictated by proper motives, to be a step in the right direction, and which could not be denied to give a very considerable and • most im portant security fur the efficiency of the public service, they thought it would be advisable or prudent to address the crown to revoke that order, and to issue an other founded upon eotirely different and novel principles? At nay rate, they ought to allow some experience to be had of the effects of this order ; • session at least ought to elapse, and then there would be some means of lodging whether it had proved efficient. There was an other strong objection to the course proposed. The pretest order in council was intended to improve the efficiency of the • . It took the present method of appointment as a basis, and attempted, consistent with what existed, to in traduce regulation sod improvement. A change to that extant was fairly within the limits of an order in council, and might with propriety be carried into effect by the pre rogative of the crown. But when the bon. member asked the house to assent to • principle altogether new, when be proposed to disseise the mown of so vest a nu mber of ap pointments, to give to the public at large a new right which they bad never before enjoyed, and to introduce a system fundamentally different from that which now existed— the proper course would have been to introduce • bill embodying the regulations which he proposed, I which would thee have been deliberately consi ' dered by the house, instead of calling upon them in that sodden and unprepared manner to assent to • resolution which involved an entirely new principle, and which would lead to consequence' that it was difficult for them in one debate to exhaust. Mr. WILKINSON said he had hitherto declined to join the Administrative Reform Association, thinking that the government only had the power of carrying out their views. He was in favour of the system proposed by Mr. Scully, and should be glad to see the Goderich pledge " adopted by all the members of that house. For his own part, he could say that he had dar .coed the doors of the Secretary of the Treasury. (Hear, hear.) He thought the Chancellor of the Exchequer bad conjured up a great many giants for the purpose of slaying them. He did not find anything in the motion about a literary competition. The case of rail way servants had been referred to ; there could be no doubt there was an examination in their cases. What was wanted was the abolition of the system of patronage which bad been so strongly complained of. (Hear, hear.) He had hoped that the government would have accepted the resolution. He still trusted that they would aim at extinguishing the system of patronage. Mr. LINDSAY, defeodiog the unites, entered into a de fence of his own statements sod conduct, impugning in the course dins remarks the management of the government. Sir C. WOOD replied to thew defensive statements endeavouring to establish that the original accusation had been eeeee mated or mit-stated. Sir S. NORTIICOM supported the resolution, and Sir F. Sainte opposed it. Mr. GLADSTONE supported the resolution. Mr. TITS (who was court interrupted by calls for a division) denied that the movement in favour of adminis trative reform hal anything to do with party consideration', or that it wse promoted in order to oust the present ministry. The dates proved that; for the ministry oame Into power on the 23rd February, and the first administrative reform muting was not held until the 6th May. With regard to the motion before the house, he would suggest to the hon. member who proposed it that the best course which could be punned would be to fall In with the suggestion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. ("Oh," and "Divide.") Lord PALMERSTON—I think it may be said as the result of the discussion which has taken place that all parties are agreed as to the object we ought to have is view, that object being the filling of the different offices of the government with fit and capable men. The differs:me be tween us arises only with regard to the mode is which that object is to be socomplisbed. I must say that I think that a great deal of smiles clamour has been raised with regard to the effleiesey and conduct of those officers who. belong to different public departments. It has been the fashion to say that different departments have been filled by men in competent for the duties wb oh they have to perform. It often happens that somebody goes into • public office about some application wbieb is perfectly imishaimible according to the rules of the office, and when he finds be ascot obtain what be wants be goes away, and runs up and ' down the town decsiming about the clerks of the depart : runt. Though I think that we are all: agreed as to the object In view, I must say that that object has been • little forgotten by many who have discussed the subject, end that arguments have been adduced which are not emends those upon which the question ought to be derided. Mars can be no doubt that it is of the utmost importance be the poetic interest that the different departments should be filled by competeot persons. But 1 cannot go aloug with those who think that the main and principal reason for that object is that members of parliament may be relieved teem the trouble of corresponding with importu nate constituents who apply for places. No doubt it is es mat inconvenience, and it is most likely that those who are the most importunate arc generally those who are haat qualified for the offices which they leek. (Heir, hear.) hut this is an evil which hoe. members might relieve ' themselves frem by a little firmeess and di.cretion. Again, we aro told that another reason why we ought to adopt this principle of open competition is to avoid the evil of long service in civil departments, arialog trots the principle of seniority. It appears to me that that e .il would very much increase by the institution of a eye- teen of open competition. I ate supposing the' the' woe a follow which it is said bythe proposere would be the result of the system. We are told that the effect of this open competition would be that all the lower departments of Ma civil service would he filled up by men of talent, If all the lower departments of the offices be filled up with men of great telent, how could the system of promotion be carried on otherwise than by seniority; and that being so, how would those who are now kept waiting be renewed ? WI en in a public class one or two happen to bo clover beyond their fellows, of course they would obtain rapid promotion, bat when all are nearly equal in capacity, then it is plain that every government would be driven more or lees to the principle of eenior.ty. It is said again that the pre sent system of appoistment bs ulution creates greet die appointment. No doubt there are great numbers who pass their lives in making applications for offices for which they are not qualified. But what would be the extent of dump • pointment if every year young men who had tho talent • were to come up t e Loudoa and be examined, in order to • test their capabi:ity, after which they would wait for et vacancy? I will venture to eay that under such a system you will have a great deal more disappointment than now exists, and it would be a disappointment fostered by the course which you bad t shoe. I quite agree with throe alio say that e xamination is the real test of capacity. No doubt it is often only a test of memory, but on the whole it is the beet teat of intellect end acquirement. I do not ogres with the hen. member for Oink, that a public examination would be an advau•sgeous arrangement; far I agree with my right hon. friend the Chancelliir of the Bache quer, that there would be so in terference and an intertuptios to an (lamination if there was a great affluence of spectators; and that it would disturb the operations of the minds of those who were being sxnmined at a time when they ought to have all their faculties concentrated, and I thick they would be in an unfair jo Utica by the presence of strangers; besides which, as the examination would be conducted chiefly in writint, it would possess but very little interest fur strangers. I would entreat the house, therefore, for the promo at least, to be content with the plea which has been recently adopted. I do cot say that the principle of examination might not be prac tised in the case of the heads of departments, who, instead of examining one candidate, might examine several, and give the appointment to the ono found to he best qualified. But I think that the principle of seise tien of candidates by the responsible bead of de partment ebould be retained, and if that was confirmed by a proper examination es to the efficiency of individuals to• be appointed, it would tend greatly to the efficiency of the public service. There is one great difficulty in the way of sehetion for which I see 110 re mede. Some persons have argued that the higher offices in the public service should be nuariatsly given to those who reach them by steps, and other', again, say that those offices should be given to pereena chosen from other wales of life, who by the exhi bition of certain quali:iet bare shown that they were fit to be employed in those depiertments of the state. It is difficult, indeed almost impossible, to take either the one or the other, as the invariable rule. It is not very likely that, looking to the disheartening slowness of promotion in the public offices and the little interesting nature of the cecupatione in which they must be employed in government offices you would get many such men as have been described for the higher offices in the public service. If you could get them they would be the best persons to employ. But if you give a monopoly of the higher departments to those alreauy In the public service you would ant be always able to find men 'Muhl' for the situations. It should he borne in mind when considering the best method of tempting young men of abilities to enter the public service, that it is inseparable from the nature of the business transacted there t-at they should pass years of their lives is occupations which give them no opportunity of developing ability, but rather damp and paralyse mental exertion,and them a young man if he has the qualities necessary for he higher dInCtP, Is likely to leave the service before long, end take to other occupations in civil life, where fame, torte:le, and eminence may be more easily obtained. As regards the present motion, 1 may say that it is the anxious entre of the government so to arrange the examinations for the public service as to secure the beet persons for the service of the state ; and I hop* the houie will give the recent arrangement the fair trial which it has not yet had, and if next year it should be frond not to have succeeded, it will be for any u ember of the house who thinks it has failed to suggest another m plan. I hope, therefore, that the howe will agree to the otion of my right hon. friend Me Cheacellor of the Ex chequer. Mr. V. SCULLY replied. • The house then divided— Ayes Noes The previous question was accordingly carried. The announcement of the numbers was loudly cheered by the minority. CALL OF THE HOUSE. Mr. ROEBUCK, at near a quarter to one o'clock, but in very full house, next rue to move, pursuant to notice, that the house be celled over on Tuesday nest. He said, I shall have to crave the indulgence of the house for albeit time, but I will promise to be as brief as passible. The motion of which I have given notice, fur a call of the house, is one that I think must recommend itself to every hon. member who considers with me that the question I prorate* to bring under the notice of the house on Tuesday nest is one of great importance. (Hear, beer.) It is one which concerns the present administration, a large body of political men, and the army of this country. It is the in terest as well as the wish of Oh country that its army should be watched over and eared for, and a committee of this house was appointed to ascertain how that duty had been performed by those to whom it was entrusted, They were condemn( d by the committee so appointed, and I went to ascertain whether the house concurs in the report of that committee. A mare impatient question could not be put, and therefore I move that this house be called over on Tuesday next. Lord W. PAULETT would not oppose the motion, bat feared that it would be ineffectual in securing au attend ant*. Lord SEYMOUR did not think that the object of the hon. and learned member would be effected by the motion, if successful, while it would put the house to great inconve nience. (Hear, hear.) There was a large number of mem bers in town, while thou who were not, were engaged on militia, assize, and other important business. Besides, the notice was exceedingly short. It was usual to give at least ten days' notice of a call. Tnee, when a call took place, what usually happened ? Mem bers came down and answered to their names, but there was nothing to compel them to wait for a &Thins. Besides, the bin. end learned member's me tion might lead to an adjourned debate, and, in eddition, there was another motion of went of coefidence f r Friday, the debate on which would, most probably, be adjourned deo. Under 'lithe circumstances he would suggest to the hon. and learned member to withdraw his motion, seeing that so large a body of members were in town, and that those who were absent could not return without much in convenience. Mr. HADFIELD supported the motion, and urged that the private affairs of members should not be held as justi fying their absence from the house in a time of national exigency. Mr. 13. WORTLBY appealed to the hon. and learned member to withdraw his motion ; adding that thus were enough of members in town to discuss a r. uestion of impo tines. Mr. ROEBUCK—I am sorry to give the how" this trouble, but I think I show some very good reasons for my motion. First of all, in reply to the noble lord the member for Totness, I have to say that in a treatise on the rights and privileges of this house it is laid doers that the time for • call should be from one day to 'ix week", bat that was the rule when communications were not so rapid. N..w that we have the rail and the electric telegraph, I think that seven days is quite sufficient. I shall now state candidly my reason for making tnis motion. It has bee. stated to me more than once that attempt' have been made—l won't say by whom, although the house well knew by whom—attempts have been made to induce members to leave town, and there fore .1 take my stand on the ancient stages of the house by moving for a tall. It was the only detente I had against the artifices used to deprive me of the means of testing the wishes of this house. And when lam veld that it is nonecessarily harassing ,embers, and at the same time likely to be anavailieg. I think that there is something contradictory in the statement. If members are only brought to the house, I am sure the importance of the motion will induce them to remain; while, en the other hand, if they are induced to leave town, the question will be robbed of its due support, and the country will "offer in an equal proportion. It is not therefore to give annoyance to bon. members, but to obtain a sufficient discussion on a great question that I make this motion, end I beseech the house to take the conatitutionel means of eafeeedng a fall attendance. The house divided— Ayes lot Noss 133-25 The motion wu therefore lest. The result of the division was received with sem. cheering. The beam roes at • quarter peat 1. --------- Jut vallik!kart_Es• Tint AJIIAM.m eIISISIMN 1... i being tr-Alta piogmr• s t i J), r ad Os Is ife UPI massy Ist Obrommiste• OM. aa... • SILT II . l irf e aKA tad D — dr 1111•11. Lades : Lotman mod 011% 110.