The Express. — London, England, 1850-03-08 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF LORDS.—TIII7IIDLT, Mims 7. The Lou Croocau.oa took ►b scat ot 6 o•dock. PUBLIC DUBIN BB& NEW PEERS. Lord Lonasesononow, who was introduced by Lasd n dhbsry sad Lord Foley, end Ltrdthasavonit, tetrads's! by I,sadCampbeil sod Lord Pommes, Wok the sags sad tbek mats, sad subscribed the peeliamenasry rell. PRBSWITERIAN MINISTERS IN IRELAND. Tito Ilisessie el LONDONDWARY said, with roierause ta the abject he bed alluded le the mbar sight, namely, kis bevies received letters kis swain Presbyteries Mika• ton is the earth of Irelsad, whisk hi read to Moir lord skips, be had to state that the listen par/muss to be signed by eke Rev. Mr. Reatherfeed we a isepry. lie kid ravened' • War kook the Rev. Mr. Debbie. stubs' that Mr Esther -104 kaew satidag, dinedy or ladirestly, about tie letter; 11,. Dibble did au limey the Utter which hi had writisa I. has. sating ups Mat, se a peer of outlines', to retreat sr esbetantlate *semi* statemests whisk he had made to the house. are bad sot wit out rereseepposeil the letter hem Mr. Rutherford to be mutual* imams& a he fond that sortsin speeches made by that rev. gestlimaa ware is the ems spirit. AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS. Lead STANLEY gave nodes that his noble friend Lord Radesdale would, on Tuesday seat, present petitions from the 1:01111tile of Nerthemberlead sad Worcester, complain ing of saricaltural distress, and amid take that oppertssity of calling the sucution of the hones te the subject. LORD LIEUTENANCY OF IRELAND. Tbe Eat of MOU NTCASIIELL joked if it was tree that the office of Lord Lieuteeast ei usual was about to be abolished, u bad bees mated. Tbe Massie of LANSDOWNE said It we set is hie hepower to give any informatim so a the future Wisdom of r Mejesty's goveramest ; bat if • champ so impermat was about to be made, dm Mammies of it would be wee. The noble earl meat be aware that each as ogee could only be abolished by set of parliament. (Hear, bear.) REMOVAL OF OBSTRUCTIONS IN CORN TRADE (SCOTLAND) BILL (No. 2). Lord BROUGHAM tensed the 'amain.' of this bill. which pared wages committee. PARTY PROCESSIONS (IRELAND) BILL. The Manisa of LAIdBDOWNE moved the ceder of the day lar krinaing up the report of the antesdnents to this bill. He soppeatd to the now dakv (Welliagtes) the par pristy of permitting the report to hi wow received, sad of moving the saw of whis b Its had gives mass as the third resdiog. The Dube et WELLINGTON agreed lathe reggeetioa of the noble martial', sad gave soda that cm the thud reading otthe bill be should mu* a classic personas say perms appearing in arms in Irelead out of his boom. He banded the chose to the clerk at the table, and moved that it be pristed, which was agreed to. - After twat. eoarereation, The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH gave nodes of sa amendment on the third maditm, which was Amid for to morrow (this day), and the report was aimed to. SUNDAY TRADING PREVENTION BILL. Os the colon of the Earl of HARROWBY this bill was read a second tic*, sad Warred to o select eosaittaa. Their lordships adjourned at half-peat six o'clock. SOUSE OF 003010N8.-ThruDAT, MAIM 7. TN itrNiza took the char at 4 fetlock. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Tea Tak W 19,000 of the hthkeitaate of Maaehteter ; Mr. HEY WOOD *swab Ir Ai Cheeky sad other places is Lee.- atm, for a lug. sad immediate redaction of the ditty oa tea. Taa•aorm Bar..—By Mr. BANKES, from lialifix, ie favour of ao oikatue Tea Hosts Bill. Tenn on Enowimoon —By Mr. MIINTZ, from two Birmingham newspaper aloes; Mr. HUME, from Nor wich—for the ahohtiom of tune on knowledge. NATIONAL EDUCATION (InsLenv).—By Mr. G. A. HA MILTON, several iron pleas is Ireland, against the as thma' system of education in that emintry. lteßateose Btu..—By Mr. W. EVANS, frost Derby, in layour M this baL By Mr. DUNDAS, trees pliers is Lie. littiteershire ; Mr. MILES, free the Chapelry of Theitop wearsouth—sieinst the bill. Counts BOARDS.—By Mr. W. PATTEN, from t h e faardiass of the lAm:sitar anion; Nir. RUOBES. from Comma ; Mr. SPOONER. from t h e guardians of Rugby union ; Mr. U. BERKELEY, from • board of guardians in Olouseetershirs• Mr. W. BROMIC from a plum in Lases- Mu» ; Mr. MiDSRLEY. from a place in Staffordshire; Mr. HUME, from Norfolk—praying Ow the establishment of county doascial boards. AFFIRMATIONS IN LIMO OP OATRS.—By Mr. ROME, from Messiah ; Mr. BRIGHT, from Galubiels mad Dal keith. is favour et Me adoption of this prinsipte. Vora DT BALLOT.—By Mr. H. BERiBLEY. from 2.136 of tiro innabitants of Brio' al, sod also from a engine- Mon of Mptir4 in Wake Add, in farms of vote by ballot,. NOTICES OF MOTIONS. ------. LAWDVD Paortarr.—Mr. LOCKE VI NO, ea that day fortnight, to uses a resolution that, in swestqueneo of the removal of protvetios, sad the Innate whisk km resulted to all classes from the adoptia of free tirade, it is expedient to adopt mitamms to pat as and to the restrictions en the conveyance of landed peeperty, and to distribute it, I. oases of intearaey, according to the regulatioas which apply to personal property. 08T111/ MID AFFIRMATIONII.—Mr. P. WOOD, to moss, on an early day, for the appointment of a committee to much the parsers belonging to the hones, and to report upon such acts 01 Par:lamest as relate is the rights of Jews to take their seats by net being sworn, and also to report upon the circumstances under which Mr. Joseph Pease (a quaker) made affirmation' an talc* his seat, and in what manner Jews and others are permitted to make oaths sad affirma tions in courts of jambe. Saaawax.—Mr. HUME, on that day fortnight, to call the agitation of the hoses to t h e proceedings of our troops in relation to the affairs of Sarawak; and, in the meantime the hon. =scoter laid he had to complain that certain papers be had moved for on tbir satires had not been printed. He knew sot what remedy he had, but he feared ha should be obliged to submit some plan for having the mien of the boom carried into sleet. POSTPONED NOTICES OF MOTION. TAI OW KNOWIRDO/L—Mr. M. GIBSON postponed his used= relative to tun en knowledge to that day fest t. ADVIRTIMENNT Doty.—Mr. EWART also postponed his notion en the newspaper advertissaaat duty to the sane day. DCCRIRS OW CORNWALL AND LANCASTSJIL—Mr. TEE LAWNY pow:sowed his motion relative to the Dasky of Contest! antil that day fortnight. - - Tam LORD I.IIII7IIII3IANCT 01 I/ILAXD.—Mf. REY NOLDS, to-starror, to atk the noble lord at the head of the governs's% wheilast ft was tha Mantra of her Ma jimmy's 'enamors is the presort mosiau to intraday' or sup port say measure for the abolition of the Lord-Ligatoassey of Inland. DUTIES ON AORICULTURE AND MANUFAC. TURKS. Mr. HUME discharged sa order for a ?stars ol duty oa all articles of agriesluire sad asaasteetares, usderstaadiag that it mild sot:be node up within a ms•oasbla time to • meat date. He mooed for • rerun et the duty oa those articles to the 6th ethanol,. Agreed to. EXPLANATION. Mr. W. P. CAMPBELL compleiaed that t►s ta•mbsr far Middlesex (Mr. Sere al Osten') had es Monday let talarepesNoted hie expreesiose relative to ths proposed ea brashisensat it H•mmersmith e Chaim, sad Fulham, Rirsa is th• scares of • debate spas W modes it Mr. _ . _ 16. B. 0$ BORNE excited gash seaseement be the booms by aceepting this complaint ae a at and appropriate apology to the iahabitants of the 'metropolitan rebarbs in question. LIQST•HOUSE DUES. In answer to FOINTII, 11,. LABOUCELIBE mid ft WM quite tree that at the doss of the lmt ..wire, whim ho mensal to the lams that the Trinity-home were plowed, es the resseeseisdu ties of the Board of Tender le mho s peat seinedee is the light dam, he mated that OW weal& set Mee him foss brining forward a gtharatemintam with repel to the light due, bat he certainly did dot /Mdse himself to Wei in a imams in the present ssmiem, And he mod my Net, lade' alresdy brought la several hi with slepset to aterehast shipping, be Mould he wins improperly, lit be saw what was dons with those mseserek if he bevmdd is another. IRISH POOR-LAW UNIONS. H. HERBKRT said be saw by the Irish poor-law eecessiseieasee report it was the Intention to create a ans. elitMe.ntdwee Is Ireland. He wished to ask the debt the Secretary of State. If that was the law sistif is the sooty that he represented there had been ear monism **premiss new of **aim wind wlestaa.loa a %slam Air O. OM Bald he orehl act give os7 portieubwe, but the Imbed ghost to the poor-law co the power ciasellog sew Won. OFFICIAL SALARIES. --- - - - Is reply to Colonel Bnrrsonr, Lard J. RUSSELL stated that Lord Caspbell, in sae. median pa the ChM Justesehly at the Qum% leash, *raid be la the resolve et the radioed slaty of 8.0001. per easy., being the sass which Lord Duman had enleyed sine the death of Lor(Tenterdea. It was also Weeded to reduce the 'noose of the Cale Jostles el the Cossets Pleas to 7,000‘ These Moslem mAeld require ratification by Patiimarat,aad,ke les sodas, fez Monday nut, eta bill to relpelas the Misled salaries of them high.legal insatiate:is. Thrasabssasas query, Lord lobes IM..L replied that Lord Campbell ►ad seised to be a amber et Us .Mast. ELECTIVE FRANCHISE. LEN NUGENT asked Sir Do Lacy Evens whether he WOW he uoileseteod es Witc blew la say event, to 10 " 0111 •• • Meesee i ski elividemos the warden asp lbw the Emir ramie, 1110 seeeert whieis he peoposeel co' Tawas,' me*/ leckicrpoef/a. ea eateweloo tithe elective freaakise. _ 'Olt D. L. 'VANS replied theicwas tit lehresisa Si do ik, bet, if trees say softworeet deitiorleies b• was pm vestal, the wattle lord we et Mbesti N Wag formed the eatiWot Windt —.-- ..., I Oft Ms Ws Nur own minim sad Waggly, era P the sod. It was ial THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EYBNING, MARCH 8, 1850. TIE Kr. P. BCROPE the esteaties ef the .. Kane* to the meaty man • epeeist meet Vii, be MIN MC to gl ut if see of the distressed he hued, the but • time ...ses great to - T A . tales *".. -- - - --- - ---- peffeethiela them - pais me whisk precast Se e tada*. e artnty ofr . ibei Meg Clan ;it projected late the Allude, I. as acute sage. It was about 40 miles manks (lfslatel si bnrhe hy ith loth aa. the tatzet e. %h. imp. • sap.. la length from east to west, sad mealy three Mee is its whims gessienr owe frees sea tom. Thu earth, of tha f =Br e gi g griti t i t, l , a Elk patio._ twat _h ._ _that . bet met eseauteleue ; It wasig i de . mule. awl' dollathilwind - hspi =:"• j a ws w orme d eat theys thee . the helm . with rot treads it. (Han) - egelei liSdlilt ll. ' * ran De lead real if *ls: Mk lIONSELL said he weld set a SIM kin Melt Egswo ws °lll2a It s _ twe e wig about 60,000 semi, - her. Mad, that . p.'ilighe hapreamat " hem plea la he 1131 wee oi r, sad the estsenes la the anion of ladrusi. BTUs Tut accouote he Misived bola we ithelafen la th e Temeweiser that mime, it would appear lei bi piling wane Man of ' Siffelethaegre pan este hal, hod this better ; sea ha was ebeld , If the pauses" wen en Cape Kemeny whoa he auhl oat anatica act p ,epersd to deal with _ that. _ tam _la 1111 sr sailhie4= 4 lll hi. a the Mem is which only sew sad nee saaner, that its einditioa he heal the Maga *OS ej e the gibe. Cease mild not be retrieved C i r e I: the death of a emiders ble per. stated that the pesielsithe ' Me an asaphinue the of the pepalaticia. ( Haar.) With respect tow present irk auk Seholllll6 as they me arras,., Rot follow state of the union, there could I* so hatter authoelty Moe the that ef the silliest barrister. Mr. Miyoe, who dated that lim er:rerk r as. etssese d ia l use, ib—e r t hisab bs it was str i with la the whole come of his life he never witained mesh gaill tae Ma nu, edam§ es the meenthes ef the ONNelle, and pageas spay, sad that had he Rot se i e n a them be should .se g =i as MOW from thee lareffeeth. Is fact he have thought the saffellags of the poor t his trio, to be of the inieegent penis 'harmer beyond hasp eadarapes. His et Mead sai d that *Mem gelma= m4b as weigathe ea newest sad meth coats there misers workhouse accemateelatioa. Hecould oily say of based. Ii was we seethe thegian that a moieties so that he had received an comsat from ar e lakatit desaasteaced should hue felt the meagre of the potato an of the uses, and whisk hebelheat i o s t e na b letaatially le 1846 with Werwhelesiag moray. Not ode did correct, sate. that 106 ea poor perms, who, hal some from Its that sesesion the male subsietans of the pope- different parts of the u=iatie of them a OSUMI, 01 Mt t they ruhateed eupised to the pa pasts of these 16 miles, Ming fur ad , had been allowed to weed t nate to which he bed alluded, sad to which they their way back epic without haring received a mill or ones ly liable. All sense soffered, tad it wee sot to the hem assistance ; and whined the guardians hubs the Mt weeise.d at that whin the retie of 1847 was offered swum decesagy el Investigating their mese. (Hear, there wee a general sausble for it. The hone would Mr.) What he would mare to wee that the Sadly credit it that in the meaty et Clare alone the caper maagemat of the axiom shoul d be peal is the Dare ler the relief works amounted to 470,0001.. sad that leads of some awe in whoa the Romanist had ten th Ibm sake of Inrush alone the expenditure in relief works Meson such as Mr. Truism or Count Streeleaki- that menial to ea lea a sum dm 110,0001., early double the be should get power to tax the silos sad distribute it sub& of the Ma. These gestema who bad looked Into as earned hest to him, either fur the promatiou oi emigre fhoonthla of the Commies/ire Depanaleat and of thekleard dos, for champ, Cr the cultivates ef *eland, sad that he of Wirth Departmeet would be mite aware that In the should also have power to charge the eon of then works es also of Illemsh the slid intended ler the destitute poor the districts whisk Melted from the.. This wei ar was not received by them. but nee distributed mons Mends they very mach set of the ordinary mode, bat the eon to 011ie relief committees The temporary relief grained under whisk it was tobeafipplthed wee set aa ardiaary ma He what wee called the Soup Kiwis. Mt amounted to 23.6001. ; entreated *be eginurniat se he dismiss the tee of eat that to the 110,000 f. ithealed a relief works in one Mei ise.sembee ferlithenL Lathe assamtheaCipp j e l i :atel; per. ending Aegall, 1847, thle Moe of Karma received of let them inquire into the feathiley of sums sack plea ae he the plans maeay no leas a stn then 133,0001. If that mousy (Mr. Morrell) bad eadeavougal te sketch at, and see If it l heathen well espeeded he should aet have °lotted to the wield nut be preible le 'MT it See Alia. (Hear, hear.) assent, but it us sprawl Ina mazer that tended rather le cam thieve. Meath pat this si= s his right hon. to amuse destitution th en to make the union self-support- Mesa the Beggstary ler th e Hem t ; did he, or leg. At the edge of the eosin of 1847, the Poor- law Ex- could he, halm that, seder the I siring spates, the union MOM Au lades belga pang In that easicia, the union of of Leash amid be Weep% round without the sacrifice of =ask, like the other Mies, wee throw& upon its owe re- the lives of themads et present resident there I (Hear ) 1.010011. A. the Ilium wee aware. he "waded the e ataa a iaa Lord J. RUSSELL said the speech of the host. gentleman ef Na poor law he Ireland's it existed in England, hut he who had last sadressed the house, and who hsel been an eye mews he a mimosa isugieed that in an anion like Hanish wine of the grievous distress that prevailed in that unite, ObeFello Withal' we maw to succour the &mew Is did edit to his beavolesit wish end desire to improve de IN/ he urged the Intregaings of a scheme fur the mem. coadilloa of that Mem people. (Hear, bear.) But Nee of wastelands. width he WW I the noble lord would in when ha (Lord J. Russell) attempted to consider baths asemeesaltent Sao paw law. gee suartuastely what the knowable gateman proposed as the inea ladlioll alho hied wee dam The poor law, and nothing mare to be adopted by her Majesty's government, he bat the ruby, wee paseeL And what we the ems owned he wee sot a little surprised. The hon. gentlemaa i=iit In August, 1847. the board of guardians of had tad the inhabitant, of the union of Klimek as entered upon their once. In the preceding meth hang ice a most miserable and appalling condition. The ma lim a number than 51.000 of the aliseitate had been lune& sad proprietor appeared to have neglected their 11111119011 under the Soup Kitchen Act, a proportion almost duties and to have been save only in electing the wretched equal le.iwo - thirda of the populates. In Auger 4 1847, they people who previously ontrived to lin on an spicultursl a rate, but the warrants were not issued for some months pewees that no longer to the same extent as heretofee streak for the collection of that rate. It was perfectly exi-ted. (Hear, bear.) The firmen, is appeared, were well known that it we. only is the autumn that either rents w i t h out skill or capitol, and mere l y scratched the ground I. or rates could be collected in Ireland. The guardians of that order to raise a scanty crop to meet pretest emerseacisa. union wife themselves landowners cr agents, and of course Th ose th a t oug ht t o be l a b ourers were l oo k ing t o th e p oor their gnat eject was to collect their rents. The cam rate fur a sustenance, and in many cases were Rot able to peace 'mobil when Casa Kennedy war appointed on obtain even that sustenance. Such was the state the 10. h of November. 1847, as the inspector of that union, of things represented by the honourable gado he (sad is M this sere: he said that no rates, or next to moo wh i s k, he said, s h ou ld not besufferedis none, had he collected ; that the rate collector's warrants continue, and t r the abolition of which he proposed had been lased too late by a meth, and that there was a remedial measure. (Hear, hear.) Now, what the hon. great distress in souseppeace • that there was Nothing gentlemen proposed wee no lees than this, that the state gives bet indoor relief; Mat deaths occurred he' should step is and take the whole amagenneut of these quietly la Me alai bows • that there were 21 in one week, ad" , w hi s k were usua ll y neg l ecte d b y t h e kw,' pro. that Mere had been 536 deaths altogether, sad that there pietas; that the state should step in, and, is the first was great ward of clothing for the inmates. And he ree' pip er , furbish seeds, tegether with the agricultural Spit ported shortly afterwards that the arrears of rates were meats Raceway, and set the farmers to work, stabling them May due from the guardians themselves. Bat while Ent to pay mosey wares to talent, the lad ; and then, there was great slowness in the collection of rates, there Wall having done that, sad gone to vast expense-no doubt with me luesitatioa ia the creation of pesperisa. Capt. KenagdY immediate benefit, that he would not deny-is producing's cps informed that Re less than 6,000 notices to quit had ertilleiVe crop, and employing the people at present subsist heel eery" is the union. Is aoaewlalate the woraheaw a iag oa miserable alms, the landlords and proprietors should -theme overcrowded. The tide of destitution rolled ate in, and find the land reclaimed and improved for them, S. Captain Kennedy urged the guardians to make all at the expense ef the sat,. (Hear, hear.) At ea allowance se as to enable the paupers to find shelter as meat they were merely able to collect the rates with wit se DM. They refused. He min applied to angst difflaty and insufficiency for the maintenance of the the eamadmisme, who retuned for easwer that Ina- &sties, which object they were amicedly not able to bet is food smut sufkient for the impoteat poor, sad that accomplish; but if they should set about levying rates for ea snowmen Medd be made to enable them S. procure the improvement of the land, he (L . rd J. Russell) did nut Wpm and elethinr. That was, however, refused, and the t hi n k they ever could be raised. (Hsu, bear.) I n f ect , mesh wee ea amount of mortality fearful to contemplate, the propa 'don of the hon. gentleman wse, that the state this hue the exposure of these pie people to the stele- should step in and undertake to farm the land, and do that limey of the weather. The si.ery inflicted on the evicted which ought to be the duty of private individuals. (Hear.) seer was MPtfal. Capt. Kennedy repined on the 18th By u- (terabit" any such duty the date would be Fels., INS. tha wedges and hem levelliag were going pef incurring an demean rearoasibility which it ought load the& aa WM allialla alone 200 houses had been levelled not to incur -(bear, hear)-and imenedittely that *this three 'MAL Is one small towelled twelve died it withdrew its baud, the evils would be certain to recur is ens week, and five out of six In one family. He went on to with double force. (Hear, hear.) There were certain eats Mat he was confi lent oaktlaird of the out-door poor would autism to be made and duties to be performed, he swept away by the ensuing summer. Oa March 7th, 1849, which were not the duties of the state, but of the landlords the beard of guardies was emenedad, and vice pardises an d tenants towards each other; and whilst these duties wire appointed, who, he believed, did their best ; but et the were not adequate'y performed on either side, no legislature as.. time the amount of &illation was dais the on the ie. ter government could undertake to perform them. (Hear, °°°°°°,.. _? is °°°°°4 l°° ° ° ° of these eviction .. In Much, 1830 , hear.) There were changes occurring at pretest under the ILIIIIIOIIII Kennedy reported that 1,000 cabins keel been operation of the Eacemared Estates Bill, and if )(Arab levied in that union within the last three maths, and should be affected by the operation of that set in the sale of Set he looked for a steady Scree.* of paupers. Oa one an estate, they would find that p -none of capital were car man property 23 houses were demolished io one day, and t a r o to be found coming formai to invest that capital in the the number of houselees paupers was beyood almanac. itapri. nem' of the land sad the employment of the people. The evicted families crowded Into woe **fhb: l w . * cabin. (Hear, hue.) There was no superabundant population in end thus dimes was generated. Meantime the workhouse the union. He believed the Encumbered Es ate, Biil sad the fever hospital were crowded to the utivet meat. was calculated to agent a great Maiip in the condition of la a eagle Mawr he reported that 900 hems had been Irish affairs but he b lined at the same time that the levelled, sad he expected that 600 more would be so. A reme d y prop osed by the hon. member for Snead,. namely, to IM of *videos the made out, and authenticated by Capt, make Lindh sa 'medalist union, would be productive of Kuudy, showed that 2,801 persons had been evicted up to much harm, as it would give a bad sample and mischievous April, 1543 ; sad upward. of 15.000 a the following precedent, and is tee end only make things worm than thee thirteen maths. In JsaulwYe 1849, the actions were at present. (Hear, hear.) Wen going on, Captain Kennedy dearnbad the Mr. HORSMAN declared that if a person travelled mus of the people se starving, and the land lying waste. through Europe he could not we so much misery He attributed this state of things to the want of employ. arising Mai one cause as he had seen ooacentrated neat, and the lad being left usealtinted. He implored ia one week in the union of Kilrush (as we the Maths of the house, as ma and as Christians, to aadentood the honourable gentleman.) It seemed Use atateseate. Mr. Phelan, the mak& officer of the . h ,. to him (Mr. Haman) that the right hon. gentleman who P itt/14w wwwfsaWswa ' had b°°° awn W °mat " '"" followed alter Me boa. member fee Stroud stated a strong aim, and his :gm fully oosfirmed that of Captain Kek foes in essfinnation of the „ cagey of inquiry, when be aed /' It Ira. evident that the amount of oat - door relief ' admitted that eas-fonnk of the oscdo tie retie walla's. given wee iesafacisat to life. This destitution had - tend throughout Inlaid wee administered alone in Clan. continued through 1849. In the autumn, when the The noble lord at the had of her Majesty's government vies parables quitted office, and the boards of guardians to bad asserted that the state should not at ( a and do that gamed their dudes, owing to the slowing with which the rates _...._. . . . . .-.. Z . _ came in, tho whole of the poor creatures, 11,600 in cumber, Wnlea wish! to ce . uou by plasmodium But were they not,very y . yda dm, that which the noble lord asserted the who had bees receiving out-door relief , were st once unmanly dienekeed. oy he re li ef ens suspended for three wash . ht Rot to ao 3 (Hear, hear.) Were they not at that ' moment advancing large sums of mone to the Inrush whoa many deaths having taken piece, t he Liar. union, or at east post illas the paym e nt of sums pro claim ware compelled to resume it, thereby ad- _,,,,,.., ..,____., , 1 . (Hear, beer .) He confessed that than that they had acted wrong in the first Instance . :,;71._'"":77".. ' beyond el, that Agate, cia the 19th of Jamey the relief was disonatieued, ,.7.. w .„ s ta rafaso w fi s 11 . 1° w . w . . J a r s . s that legally , to a state VI II kind of apitiosat ; bat st the sod of tea days or a the y '..." t me from coalmen causes, should not be dealt with fortnight it was reameaseed, and had continued to the pre- did not erenneon manner. (Hear , hear.) eat time. Meantime, the woekhouse was in a deplorable "" ' state; hod wee mallet for the intimater; for a week they Mr . HUM Weed in the stalthent of the noble lord. win fed se t urn ip s s e mi i an d t h e d ea th s i n consequence , that any attempt on the part of the government to become Increased from 21 in November to 71 in D.cember, and 149 wholesale garners, sad provide seed and labour wool.' be telemetry. Them , dame Woe Mega , Irmo diarrhea, impanel , . But that was not the question submitted to Cngthe in su ffi c i enc y of th e f oo d. C row d s w h o coss , them. Meer, hew.) The question before them was, akt anos of 16 or 20 m u ss to go L eto the workhouse whether say portloa of Irelad, ISM% for ineteßee, wee were templed to waltall day Is the fleet or saw, and then usfortuastely circumstanced, and whether there were en! rears without an atom of food. Amongst those thug re- Peculiar eifoulaetaleme sad what they were whisk had lod ithedadmittaam several deaths had occurred. Than who to that reiserable date of things. (Hear.) It wee • het that could Oct got relief had to return in the night acme an they had &deiced sem ; and public money should set be arm of the sea; and on one night 34 were drowned, from a Riven WWI Sec purposes of hafwoothellie. Now, In Vandal ctruy boat. There was baton mds e remedying the evil- 11 ,9oniole of ISO the =owl to Lira* sight It a0t,.... e 1at to call OD the landed proprieties to employ the able-bodied well lo intake if the odeweeee mode to other www'm m• poor in works of arterial drainage, te., or else to do it them. been repaid why were they not repaid by Karla • eau, selves, and impose a lien on the land for the repayment. (Rear, hear.) It had bees mated that there will we t What he proposed we., that a commission should be cep- Lb!* of* the civilised world that could hil ° smi poised to epee Into toe fats he had sand, and into the kiirush. Now mu such a state of the c a , ' sa mdi si llallie Me w caddes of the i Hanteh Unice. country or to the government ? He, felt ea. di& Mr. FAGAN seconded Me moti o n. that inquiry should be pealed. They ea he mega ai r W. goyouto mut said m it. could ru d e ' s , corm. off than at )neat; but the abases were=lll bs poedence is the books to which his Isom. friend referred fat better s pad that they might lain at a e without experisacing the most pallid feelers. (Hear.) aatilfletw7 bt the °Will.° of such a sea ef di Z (Hear hear ) The oeadition of Yana had been anything but 6 wish- , ' ' . . in for three or l OW y ears w ore t h e per i o d to w hi c h hi s Colonel DUNNE believed that so boa. gentleman would honourable Mead referred, and therefore the eels. refuse inpary.did be believe any beeeflt Meld result. The city w hi sk had fallen ea the w h o l e country rendered t h e distress *ought to be ascertained by the commission was • and the government others, th e n u ad , maim of that union owner the most desperate in Ireland. mitted on a side. Nosh i ng °m id h e non distressing t h us t h e „ ports o f p_uardians, could, if neemeary, bear full testimony to it. Captain Kennedy. The Mathis it was that induced Therefore, he could net main Mat benefit a committee Kennedy. of inquiry could effect. In his opinion, ill-adapted Isis. the tto peas the est of the 11th and 12th Viet., a 4 for Me relief of destitute perms evicted in Ireland. WWI was at the bottom of the atila of that country. (Heir.) Tat might sot have peeved gefleiest for the purpose, Lord NAAS said that, erwurriag is the views of the but it showed, at all ovule, that the government had noble lad opposite (Led J. Russell) that it was impossible not neglected their duty in sediesuring to apply a regsedy for the state to interfere with the employment of the people, to that state of things. Weald his honourable friend yet still, after what he had heard of the uoprenedeated eats have the soveramest or the legislalls to step in and my of misery that existed is the Kdrush union, he come/lived that they would not allow the proprietors of the soil that house would not be doing its doty to the ualurame to take on of their property when thus people if they did not show them tint at least they were who cum ed it had not Milled their segmemeats ? inclined to take some steps for their Improvement. (Hear.) is honourable head that came to the year If the government had come forward and stated that rat 1849, and he blamed the poor-law commission's for is the rains of the year measures would be adopted by them their conduct In Mama to the elected board of for the improlemat of the country, there would he undies' of Kama, and to the stoppage of relief. nun to hue. His hoe. friend had sided the he correctly. The elected Lord J. RUSSELL war understood to say that various guardians had loot all their credit, and they applied to the Roma, were In contemplation. sontaissiours to terry out the law. The commissional Lord NAAS had not heard mention made of one. *a ught tha t the guardians bad failed In the necessary He begged to support the Ratios of the hon. member for duty of collecting the rata. They therefore refused the Stro ud. - funds which had tees asked from them, end they thus- tad he Muck% justly-threw the responsibility of suck a Sir G. GREY ould not see the Messily of a committee state of Wage on the gurdiens. If they bed samosa to obtain further informatics, as he did not deem it possible funds, his hen. friend, as ho Inferred fee hie speech, they could obtain stronger information than they already would Mane the goverment ler doing so whilst any poseemeed from the report bikes the house famished by the rata remaiaed uncollected. There was a sec and stoppage poor law commissioners, as to the can,. and extent of the On the lieli January. The elleetheinten neared hatstep dthings prevaleat le the lamb union. (Hear, hear.) OD thorn of the guardises. but Mktg' at it rather as an Thu, they had also the evidence of two hon. members who tree, for i =oat than es a proof of their determination to had be eye witnesses of that distress, and he wished to ' tritklabl , and sot wishing to have recourse again to know was it likely that any eciescasion that might be the extras step of dissolving a board of psalm and spii granted would be more competent to report then were these patting paid °theses ea their oleos, they took no farther boa. gatemen t The Roble lord opposite (Lord Naas) had steps tote matter. Hie bon. friend asked for a cosamissioa, **mislead that he heed of no measure f.r the Improve hut he did Mese that it mold lead to any good malt ceded mat of KAMM. True ; no special moms for the is ft mild imply any additional isermation thread what wee pronseat of that locality was contempt. ed, but measures tobe (sada thecorrespondeseselnedy lab% balm the them we coatesplated that would have the effect of extending He thought it might do Meths( by excites hope whisk easplopesat, tb i r . s d proprietary, to the labouring point could ace be realised, and leading the people to rely on NOW lollies, and la at the emu time the sedition of thing the then Sleek own essliess sad ladrelly, spat the sell . It was 7 such cases as that presented by .—..— .h r 'HE IL [MUM Ulf: l k V .s . high WY d9•4 111 1d emliactifite nzi , the PE then, pumas to le' IA Apnoea, but /as holm to the medal 4Be ones aft list there et meaty of Clue, and por siler eh, •Hiecatiag Qat oint 111 &MI be semidries ie impel. hnie t tlee 'ea • lent rerta iAsse esess sh e hat ay be Viol NI he apeelio las gr i now alive top astk o , .am loe give ali sad I. tiptoe. asp anj , Ism %if The MO i Mimed salsas ' a weefea 'reknit +MO, the Kibosh stated thpe poirrieleaswer• at a type of many ethos is similar edema. shag, ad dm' was is"Plial MIMI" in Mpifuw the lead, miss a Ka m a, w in d t h e wel t ers sad Shot She quadty of potatoes teem woo pest, if set _ —. . . . =....e..iik•m la Jr. ram Anon grid& amargadi.thaihmina_ this Rikeili "pied that the government had in view whet they emotephoped the s Eneambered BMW affily .W of width manure rty we" aim MI off Made those who Nod not a sliUlbsi to missed In Mailmportementt. The hoses had bikes it all the tests whisk were mosseary to torsi ajedgment tpsn'; and he hoped the mean would not be supported Mier from a holing that the mat were not prepared to miroarap, by every mein, the eisploymout of kbour in IMAM. or koms desire te courage hopes whisk would, he felt nmenedi, he ultimately dasappolated. Mr. U. HERBERT the figtoMm,•md.iisolt the impertanity of readies elnelleistlig the ohs rector of ortala defaulting Main if din the west of Ire land Yrden the charge. alleged against then by Mr. Bright in a previous debate. Mr. BRIGHT substantiated kis el trationi 'upon the authority of the palate Joireall ell inland. Prising to t the question before the - house, be advc sated the appointment Of the esamiesion. The . right lusteur abie baronet Sir George Grey) mid Mr. Bright is in the habit of instituting inquiries with regard to a variety of matters. He door sot hesitate to order an inquiry with respect to an explosion la a coal mine, or an accident mishit trom a mill In Lancashire, or • steam-boat boiler on the Tomas. Way then did be objets to as inquiry present case? I have heard nom very wed panne that, on a moderate calculation, one death is mused on the average by the eviction of one family in Ireland. I do not say that that statement Is menet ; bat I think ft might be easily shows, that there Is sot meek exaggetratim In it, in reference ta as inclement sossest; the prom sedition of put. of Ireland being sash. that whoa whole families are turned out there an very fsw ponces who area anfficiently comfortable endition to give them refuge by night, or food by day. Throe is one proprietor in this distract who has evicted not lam thaa 1025 pinata; that will give about 20C familia, and if there be a death for every family evicted, sad several persons have stated to me that such is the ease it follows that about 200 deaths have resulted from the evictions on this ono estate. (Hear, hear.) Now this Mate is not the property of en embar rassed parson—(hear, hear)—it is not in Chan cery —(hear, peer)—it is not In difficulties. except indeed, the difficulty of being owned by a man who hes, I take it, mither bean nor head. (Hear, hear.) It is time that the unlike of the governmeat were turned to this subject, in order that the_ pooled= may dad the moans of obtaining • livelihood. Whether we hays regard to politicall economy as a Mena, or whether we have regard to the morality of &delimit", the owner of that estate has no right whatever to come and sweep from the estate, the popu lation which exists there ; and if he be not embarrassed, ii he lave money at his disposal, I say there is not • karma being ia existence who Quest to be mare generally scouted from society, than the individnel who could commit atroci ties like those which have been brought before the house. (Chien.) Besides this estate, there are many others in a different cooditioo. Many of the estates in the Kil- rush Union may fairly be described as bound up with settlements, entail. jointures. mortgages, and judgments to such a degree ;hat it is impomiole for them in their present state to be properly cultivated. It his bees said that some of these proprietors had never been absentees, bat have spent every shilling that they bad Whetted. Why, that it numerate their atilt: they have spent every shilling which they had themselves and every shilling which they coald get from anybody else. (Laughter.) They are now in a position of irreta it 'able ruin, and the population, which would probably hare bean comfortable bad they (the landed proprietors) bees prudent, are in the lamentable condition which has been described. It has been stated that a rate of three sbillicp in the pound Is paid is the district now under consideration. I should like to know what rents are paid in the Klinish union. (Hear, boar.) , Three shillings In the pound is not a sufficient rate to levy whilst the proprietors of that onion US continually coming to this house end asking for grants whit amount of 20,0001. or 30,0001. per annum. We have been offering • bonus to the proprietors to exterminate the people, and to neglect the culti vation of the land. The starvation of the people is always attri buted to the potato and to Providence ; whereas I believe it is traceable to the psrmanence which is given by the kris- Man of this house to old and stupid customs which were established long ago and which are totally unsalted to a period when the population is so d nee, and when, If the people sre not employed in the cultivation of the land on commercial principle, nothing re. mains for them but starvation, and nothing for proprietors but en increase of poor rates. (Cheers.) Mr. O'FLAHERTY said that, though he did not expect much benefit from the adoption of the motion, knowing the, philanthropy of the hon. mover, and the deep interest which he took in Ireland, he could not rouse hi vote. Atter a few words from Mr. Moose, The Earl of ARUNDEL said that no hon. member had denied that the miseries endured in the union of Kilrush were almost unparalleled in the history of any civilised mashy. Ho felt graistul to the hon. member for Stroud for introducing hie motion. Mr. P. SCROPE, in reply, aid that without some such step as he tad proposed, everything would probably be lett in as present state year after year. He believed that a sensible man, entrusted with adequate powers, would easily remove the existing evils, and fiud employment tor the distressed population. He ihougat that they would not be acting properly if they did not take some steps immediately to esploy the famishing popula tion, who would otherwise be found goes beton the act Lc the sale of encumbered estates was in lull operation. (Hear, heir.) The house then divided— waiting legislateree He would say *Reword to those gentle men in the heneirerke now, moording to the Marquis of Anglens, put theft kepi is slack water. He would call en these hoe. *tailcoat to resellect in what position we stood now in 1810. Surely the threat made by an hon. gentleman is the hoses for ea appeal to the country was still ringing in their leers, and were they to forget the last appeal of tie same sort, the electioa of 1841 ? If that was an eketion in which corruption et every kind on.. est, Iwkabwould be snob. en appeal as that with which we were threareedr Whet tors the MOWS ?. The powers of the world with its treleeedra trollop would be applied, whilst intimidation sad tramNlmt =der foot the chartered riehts of the ternary would tie more unblushing than err. The *at peorodea destisa woe of that nature. What Ike sent lisotlea would be, he slat to the hoar to Arid& *sit be sae rllllllllll sear of demoralieetioe. An apr m t w o the speatry rear as appeal from the snoop I. Is the weak, ea appeal to wealth to deal pith poverty, and aa appeal to a More of Lords to elect a Horse of Crafter. No effort bad bean rade to prove that the ballot would he as adequate shield fee latiridatioa. Oseraptisa sad bribery would be in she small soarituesoles, they were Gorr* already, they eould not be made more irrupt let the ballot act as it would. lie begged to ray au wok on the vain attempt that bad been made by resent lenialatios to deal with the least of the evils of eureleeteral system, the evils of overt bribery. We had made laws strin gent enough against overt bribery, whilst they entirely omit ted the p lion of secret bribery, and they pasted over inti midation by exclusive dealing, which contained in itself the very essence of bribery, as not worth noticing ; in short, they . strained at a gnat awl swallowed a camel. Now re done dealing, which was the right arm of intimidation, contained is itself the very memo of bribery ;"and, in the worst form of eases to which he could refer, he would show the &thrown brines the two. In the. ore of sim ple bribery the elector was rewarded for gelling his pas science. He bad known valor our in which an elector by simply selling his vote had saved his family from ruin, end trma starvation by the sale of the vote. Although this was not defensible, there might exist extenuating circumstances about it. You rewarded him for selling his conscience, but in exclusive dealing you puaished a man by taking from him • sum of money for following the dictates of his conscience. Which of the two wart the first offence ? Then, again, in their efforts to elasticate, they had actually paved a bill by which r r in ti rs impossible for say person to stand against treewtery and rascality, and that was by the way they bad dealt with the law of agency. By the law of agency, as it stood at present, a man conversing with • candidate, being seen with him in a committee room, or walking with him, inch a men might go and give • sovereign to any elector, end the member was straightway ejected from his seat. On this subject he had taken the opinion of several electioneering • and their opinion upon the point was, oa the foots being stated in a petition, that • person !teeing been IWO in the company of • candidate, end simulating agency, such • eircurestence might be fatal to the candidate. Having pointed out these several defects in legislation believing that that house could afford no prone: Lion against intimidation and spire' general bribery except by the ballot, all he could say was that he had argued this question from an honest consciousness that it was a measure due to the people of England—a measure called for by justice and humanity. He committed the slight sketch be bad given of the ballot question to the indulgent conside ration of the bones, prepared to hear whatever reply might be offered to the argument be had put forward in its support. (Cheers.) Lord D. STUART rose to second the motion. He said that the hoc gentleman had done hinted( credit and made his name diet to the people of England by the consistent, and able, and not always unsuccessful manner in which he had advocated this question. For be it re membered that there was now on the journals of the House of Commons a resolution to the effect that its the electien for members of parliament the votes of the electors ought to be taken by, way of ballot. He believed that this was the darling measure of the people, and that it was one to which they were mcst justly entitled. It was demanded by all who were electors now, becalm they felt that it affected their comforts, sad in many instances their fortunes, the heppiners of their lives, and the support of their families. The great body of electors were also most anxious to see the Latin passed, beaten they looked at it, in the hope that when the great boon which thej demanded was accorded to them, it might not be a mere delusion, but indeed a reality. The motion lately aside by his hon. friend, the member for Montrose, if it had been carried, as carried it would be, sooner or later, would have conferred upon the people this prat advsntsge, as well as many others. He was in favour of that great and comprehensive motion, he was in favour of every part of it, but particularly in favour of this, end without which he did not believe that the people eould really and substantially have that which the con stitution granted to them. Were there not many who were induced by fear or interest to vote contrary to their consciences aid to their own opinion t Itallot, by makings vote secret, would do away with this, prevent in• timidatton, and the possibility of corruption. He found It very difficult to believe in the sincerity of those who made use of the argument that this measure tended to promote deceit. H. thought that they could not be very sincere, or at least could not have looked very closely into the question. He believed that the indisposition felt by those who opposed the ballot was not ("untied on the motives alleged, bat that, if analysed, they would be found to be love of pow.. r, and a nation that they had a right to govern the pertple. They talked of the great influences of W' . of property. lien a man who had property wu found to be Just, and looked by . . For the appointment of a commit , ee 63 Against it VOTE BY BALLOT. Mr. H. BERKELEY. in moving for leave to bring in a bill to Inman the parliamentary electors of Oreat Britain and Ireland from undue influence by the use of the ballot,said that it there were any need for an apology for bringing forward !his quesion, it would bs because the hoar at that moment was rather late. He would impress upon the boos that he would confinue to preys the qu,stim until some more competent member undertook to bring it forward. He found in her Majesty's speech at the opening of the session, a very sound constitutional maxim laid down. It was to this effect, was _ up Co thcies around hint, bat was the just influence of property. It was said that the ballot would not be effstitual. He admitted that that might happen in small towns, but the conclusion was that the franchise ought not to he continued in those places, but given to larger electoral bodies. He did ItA think it would be a panacea for all evils, that it would not have some disadvantages. It would be much better that the electors had the Independence to resist influence, end that the persona belonging to the higher classes were too high mindtd to stoop to intimidation a..d corruption. But they must legislate for men, not as they ought to be, but as they were. Then, it was said that the ballot would be illusory, because others would tell thsir votes. He did not think " that by combining liberty with order, by preserviog what that en elector would be so suicidal as to proc:aim whit he is valuable, and by amending what is detective, you will bad done. He wanted the people to have the power which sustain the fabric of oar institutions as the abode and the the constitution ranted to them—that of electing their own shelter of a free and happy people." No sentiment representatives. Whatever tended to place the hawse in the could be more constitutional, but be would submit to her situation of being the real, and not the sham representative Majesty's government that when such a philosophical state- of the people, would tend to improve and render more meat cam* from the ministry the people would expect to independent and more moral the pourer classes of society, gather some fruits, and when they had such liberal prind- and tend also to improve and make better these in plea laid down they were led to suppose that they would be the higher classes, and would tend mere than anything else followed by liberal effects. He was there to ask the house to the general welfare of the nation. Fur these reasons he to carry out the maxim that was proposed by heartily supported the motion before the house. her Majesty's government. He wee there to as k Sir G. GREY differed altogether with the hon. member for them to preserve what wu valuable by securing Beistol ;as to the vast importance to be attached to the ballot purity of election, and he was there to ask them to aid he did not b e li eve that h e b ad ever stated that, in; amend what was defective by introducing a shield between his opinion it wu • question of much impirtance, When the electors and those corrupt persons who wrested from • he had voted for the ballot, he had done so without any man his right to put it to his own purposes. He canal great confidence in its success, but merely in deference to dered the ballot to be the primary step to all other Measure% the opinion, of his constituents, to whom be owed so much of r. form, because it was the stipples-stens to liberty. He an d w h o h a d g i ven hi m such ' very disinterested support. considered that in seeking to carryout that measure he would That the object proposed to be attained by the ballot, that be acting in • manner weigh was most unpalatable to the of protecting parties from an undue influence, would members of that house. In doing so, however, be be attained, he did not believe. Indeed, he agreed was attempting to alter no constitutional principle; vary much with the opinion that bad been expressed he sought merely to protest the elector in die• a few nights since by the hon. member for Middlesex, that the advantages and disadvantages of th e b a ll o t h a d charging that duty which they had entailed en him, both been overrated, and the more consideration he had been end because In discharging that duty he was not protected fr.m those abstractions and abuse which had crept into able to give the subject, the more he etneurred in the pro. as the system, and which were notorious as longitude piety o f that view. So far from its p and ing bribery, his belief was that in small constituencies it would be practised latitude in navigation. This siuple proposition, simple es it in the most wholesale manner, for it might be done in such seemed to him to be, had @Drape been met with the most lively antagonism ; minister after minister came down to that a way as to render detect io n a ma tt er o f extreme dies houseprim- driven to their wits' ends to prove tint there was some cony, and the bringing to conviction the p e r sons violent and vital objection to a man's discharging his duty nab t i a i air i t a t hi ng almost impossible. He was may. t , . oilentio which enabled him to Methanol his duty tine non . admit that there were cases in which it might Arvidisig to the recent defection of this home secretary from give security to the voter, aired enable him to exercise smog the advocates of the ballot, he called on the hon. his franchise without being subject to external control, but baronet to explain the reasons which led him t h„. were exceptions, and Ina baud was, that in the gnat now to vote *smolt • measure which he bad mejoriey of eases it would be wholly inoperative, one way or supported in 1838 and 1842. An appendix an the the other. He did not believe that the ballot, if adopted, evidence taken by the commune. in 1836 was to be would do the injury anticipated by some of its opponents, found in those election committees which sat from that because the record of votes at the poll was not, in the vast day to this. Year by year he proved that the same majority of cases, the ant indication of the reference of corruption, the same state of demoralisation was found at the voter for any particular candidate. Whenever the thew elutions that had been hid before the house by the particular opiniors of a candidate were marked committee in 1836. As to the golden.. then could be no and distinct, and also those of the electors, it was mistake in the world. Then, he asked, which was to be pretty well known how the latter voted, so that whether akin t the bell and bate la"rikil of a n y ri g ht has ' g aide. secret or open voting was practised, publicity would un man, im his position be what it might, or the statement of • * i nns mhe b elieved, to be the mums of English election ni t a l l al a t m ' lath ? Had aba hal " ka i dded what war prooiedings. The question next came as to the expediency stated by the boa. member for Binniaghase, an hon.member of adopting the ballot. He did not believe that its adop who gateway spoke his mind ? Did he not state, and , lion would be expedient. As he had said before, he bud would he not State. If Called on, °I" no . letii°n 63 " voted for it in deference to the wishes of his constituents, plus in that great city which he npneeeted without at but he stated at the time that he did so with reluctance. least 1,000 of the electors being unable to vote .. c . by intimidation ? and that was withclut a ealculation sa .M. GIBSON, amid loud errs of " divide," said ot the number of electors who did vote by intimidation. that this discussion. far too important a question to be decided Then there was one member who did him the honour to w ith out (" Divide.") It seems there is im. dMe motion In 1849; no man was more capable of seam patience at the slightest deacon= on the question of re iti(jelang e W vi illia ea V h — an who th . , ap h tti a 'hi la s o e w ni n b. e r xpe fo r r ien M er t i lilt ell o d f — a alt rm. (Hear, hear.) Why, hon. gentlemen oppo site had led for • ditiion before the right hon. the Secretary of firsbelue tradesman in the City of London, sbewed the state Suite had an opportunity of declaring the views of the of intimidation in which the population was placed at every government election; and he related the eircumstence of an election Sir Q. GREY—My own views only. (Cheers.) arising in Wales where there was one of the most diagustlog Mr. M. OIbSON was stadia hear that the ballot was to ejections of • tenant by a clergyman for not voting. These be an open question. (Hoer, hear.) Now he wished to eases arose se an election occuionally took place make a remark to agricultural members especially, who either by the death or retirement of • member, seemed an impatient. The hon. member for Buckinghamshire es in the ease of an election in Hasapthire. had lately expatiated much on the importance of having the When we had such cases as them, where could he find the independent voice of the tenant farmers of England ex increase of virtue in the upper classes ? He should trouble pressed in parliament. The hon. member was desirous the house with no father remarks on 'the opinion of the that the °Manna of that class should be obtained free from right hon. "mailman than simply to say, he eked him to all external influences, and that they should be treated as show to the house whether the increase of virtue was in the an intelligent and independent body of men. (Hear, hoar.) upper Masses? He asked him to show why, if the ballotwes He (Mr. Gibson) was prepared to treat them in that spirit; good and expedient in 1838 and 1842, it was bed end inexpe• and for that purpose he would give them the protection of dient in 1848,1849, and 1860 ? The opponents of the mea- the ballot, in order that they might give their unbiassed sure would not resort to the old and exploded argument (be- votes at elections. (Hear.) What he asked was this—what cause the eouatry laughed at it) of maallnees and tumuli- public advantage did yon attain by compelling men to aces, and of this being English and that un English. make known their votes ? The advocates of the present Tiny would not resort to the twaddle of telling us that system of open voting said that • man must give his vote it was cowardly to use their vote and to conceal it. under certain restrictions, one restriction being that he They might just as well tell us that it we. cowardly to use should be compelled to publish It to all the world. But If a watch and then to conceal It, for the political intimidator yes established such • restriction, you were bound to had no more right to your vote than the pickpocket had to show its advantages. Wee a sun to vote as he wished or your watch. Perhaps they might hear it said that the was he not? That was the question. (Hear, hear.) He peplos wen not so aniline as they were beaus the people (Mr. Gibson) believed that the house would say that every di i not ask the ballet ae they did t that the question was not man was to vote asoording to hie conscience. Well, then, if so mush argued and agitated. Lot the beware bow they by your compulsory publicity :you compelled a man to vote used that argument, for it told against them, sad c on firmed 'otherwise th an he would have voted, had he the protection what the people said—that goverment would yield to tip- of the ballot, you violated the principle on which you had tation what they denied to reason. It sonfinsed the opinion given him the vute- , -namely, that of voting wording to his given by the straightforward Marquis of Anglian, who said conscience and uadentandieg. (Hear, hear.) If, on the that the old whip were cumin to float, and when it otter hand, publicity had no effect, and • man became them to retire from the bask water they slipped voted publicly as he would have don* secretly, Asa the said.. Let them beware when they used such arguments I restraint in question was inoperative. In litter case, there lest they laid on themselves the Minder of being mere tide fore, there was no argument or the oontinuanos of the nom- ~ ought to bu'eergo:7o; parry publicity of • m gr an o 's ui v i o d te. Ice the ( math H ed e ris a i r h , eirain h re e t er will .) *°nu Th "W er p e threa wa i s v a e : o i t n he th r argil lautt:areonitrtwwouhlipiehnirPl:sprpeate:ii. eh rn oi e h w i e :th . td of ithinacir eultecpsiceortileanirbolloybitxci:utiaaldonsr.xerwiah'ciretnha,tlohteijaiirge:o:Wrdn2reeratel. hers of pu li rment, they (the candidates) would n o longer appeal to • mere unthinking cry trict. Every candidate, thus knowing that eviry voter was at liberty to vote as he thought fit, would wore maturely consider the subjects on whirl he had to adder" the constituency. The rank would be a change for the better In hustings speeches, and the introdurion of g higher and more considerate tone to rolitical exposition'. The electors would also be induced to give greater considera tion to poliiieal questions, and feel mere tercet in their in ' vestralion. It was a fact, which be could vouch for, that many area at present would rather know mord , ' of tat* political crustier of the day than be Informed of them, end felt a great reluctance to investigate them, simply bemu se b y being ignorant of the MUSS they were about to tasks, they avoided the risk of having their convictions running ouster to their intimate. (Hear, bar ) On these gr undo, with the view of improving the political intelligence of the p eop l e of improving also the character of the vetches end app ea l; of eandidurs, and believing that it would create greater tranquillity at elections by doing away h mobbing sa d other such proceedings, by which men were deterred from the ordeal of passing through two lines of °pre irg voter In order to retried their rob a, he held that the electoral body ought to pones , the protection of the ballot. (Hen, heat) Mr. 7. WILLIAMS taid, npreseasing as he did in that house a large portion of that particumr class of her Ma jeety's subject* who desired to be enabled to use the , franchise, without the permission, and not under the corn. pulsion of their landlords or their customers, he deemed it to be his bounden duty to speak their sentiments, w'ienever the to them most important subject should to brought for. weed. Ile hed nit much pleasure, when his hon. f r i end the member for Brissol last anion "eked leave to bring ie a bill, in seconding his motion, and boldly repulsing his sen timents on the question. Ile then corroborated to the ut most eztent the statements of the disgraceful rate of thraldom in which the iuhabitante of this metropolis, es well as other cities and boroughs, were plunged. And be wee enabled to point out the dentoralitation of constitusheies in Wales, his native country. Well had the hon. mem ber celled attention to the fact, that although ;ear the last few years the screws and engines of compulsion had not been resorted to, unless particular invent's, with that fierce determination which marked their use .ut x ti r m ot es ul o e f in gr to eat px po ete li n ti d eal thm exci t te h m er e e a ro t r ; e yet it w ee :t u t:l2 : i misera b le argument out of fashion. Let th e aristocracy now, it they could, stir up an election, and the sire scenes would be c re amed which he bad ventured to describe last union. Cerrisgs I, with their titled occupants, would toll from door to door, es they 1841. The threats r t e o ats a a m e u rl di caj g ol r e e ry nee extent with G t ia r i r d de hi s tn m et en than their male relatives dared to to. (Ironical cheers.) Now, as a plain man, but he trusted au honest one, he contested that he was utterly unable to comprehend how hon. members could defend the present sjo.em. Why would they not be undid, and say that it was fully to entreat the present class of voters with the franchise, but that emu should vote so many times, according to hie property ? Ha could understand that, although he should not approve of it. But that they should by law qualify one set of men to elect representatives, and then permit that privilege to be usurped by another, did seem to him to be a state of things contra., to reran and common sense. It was with greed pleasure that he supported the motion of his ten. friend. Mr. HEALD entirely differed from the right hen. gen tleman the member for Manchester that the motion might to be agreed to on the ground that the electors required the protection of the ballot. lie did not aemit the Mika w ould be • protection—(scar, hear)—and it it were said that a large portion of the people agreed with the right hon. gen there, Ilia (Mr. Heald's) answer was Coat the electoral body di i not ask for nor desire it. He represented a popular borough, and was prepared to state that rot m.rely Nin eteen of his constnuenta, but niee tenths t them, did not want the b.lbt. lie opposed its adcir.iiin a.so be cause he thought it would amount to a charge upon the in tenrity of the electoral body, and because he deemed pubii. city essential to our national character. He hoped the house would not cousent to abolish the present long Main tithed and greatly honoured system. Mr. BRIGHT raid it would be extremely 'sties:eery if the very favourable character which th e hon. gen•leman gave of his own coortituente cou'd be received as a hair one of the electoral body generally. The hoe. gentleman re presented Stockport —a borough certainly not remarkable foe its purity.—(a laugh)—nor for the little cat of :ta elettioes —(hear, hear)—but somewhat remarkable for the tumultorme and disgraceful prom:idler% by which several of in geeloma had been characterised. lie knew something of that bourant, end would let the house kuow something 01 it. (Heart bear.) Crossing the enormous viaduct by which the North Western Railway traversed that town, the passenger might observe en either side several lug, mills and tall charades. indeed it was well known that Stockport was almost entirely supported by its cfftou trade, and twat many of the ctern.n of these mills employed from :aO.) to 2,000 persons each in carrying on their business. Now, not only over these, but likewise over nearly all the tradesmen in the town who supplied the hundreds of articles required in the wear and tear of those large ara..ufac tones, did the owners exercise a direst influence, for a large employer was, in tact tile the great tended pro prietor with numerous tenants Led labourers dependant on him. lie was himself much in the polities he sou de limiting. He employed large numbers of persona who at frequent stated intervals attended at his couuting-house to re crier payment and orders—men employed at subtidiary trades and manufactories. As a matter of mune, that spec es of m- Hoene* which the ballot was intended to guard against existed to a large extent in aura ease-, and at was left wholly to the morality and conscientiousness the parties having that influence—(laugeteri—whetbee it was exercised or not against the rignts of tae rumors who were subject to it. He was not ab cut to say that the em ploy, re at Stockport were lets pure or Ina eispmed to em uss their influence than those of Rochdale or of this metro polis, or elsewhere. Ile merely asserted that such sa influence existed in the bands of men employing musseds of persons likely to be affected by it, without caarging any one man more then another with abusing tt ; asap be asked whether, when party spirit ran high, as it often did in null towns and sometimes where there was little to fight about, sometimes through private and sometimes through personal motiveo, they could lay their hands to their hearts, end say, that that influence was not exercised by candidates and employers connected with all political parties. (Hear, hear.) lie believed tbat no one could con s cientiously declare that in the great ma jority of elections, whether for counties or for boroughs, particularly where the constituencies were limited, . such influence had no: been exercised adverse to the lade ' eendence and commentious voting of the electors. (lieu, hear.) The borough of Stockport was no exception. The hon. gentleman said that nine tenths of the electors of that borough did lot went the ballot. Nine tenths of the elec tors did not vote for him, and be could not speak for more than did. (Hear, hear) The hon. member would, per haps, before long, be asked to present a petition from the majority of his constituents in favour of the ballet. (Cries of "Hear, hear.") In Lone entre, when all deems were as independent as in any portion of the king dom, he (Mr. Bright) could assert that the gnat milord, were in favour of the ballot, and the principal region achy it was refused to them by hon. gentlemen opposite was, because they knew that in many instructs wars the ballot granted, the returns to that house would be very dif &rent from what they were. (Hear, hear.) They had had one night's debate on parliamentary re:orm, and they should have many more on the subject. (Hear, hear.) The thing was so monstrous upon the face of it that we were subjected to the rithcale of every . foreigner who examined into it. ( Laughter on the opposition benches.) It would be wise for hon. gentleman it stud of raising an unmeaning laugh to give name argu ments to the house in favour of the system they upheld, a system which was ridiculous in theory, end which, in prac tise, was found to occasion great evils through:ut the country. (" Hear, hear," and cheers.) Mr. MASTERIIAN advocatad public swing, and was understoGd to say that his constitusats did aid dame the Mr. MUNTZ said that he should give his vote in favour of the motion. The hon. member for Stockport had said that only one-tenth of his constituents were anxious for the ballot. The experience of him (Mr. ?Junta) of the borough ,d Bir mingham led him to believe that a very large proportion . of the electors would like to have it, and that that properties consisted of the moat respectable clam, principally shop keepers, who did not think it just either to themselves et their families to have the system of open vat ig continued. lie asked hon. gentlemen whether they should save the franchise is such a manner as the: it became prejudicial to the Steeliest' of those who openv and consciei , tinusli exercised it;? He advised those who •travelled on the con tinent to ask what had been the effect of the ballot is Bel gium, where it had been established in the >ear P4O. Be bad inquired about is operation in that country, and found not • single instance in which it had operated If it hail worked well in Belgium, why should it not work equally well in K:glead ? His own 'solid was that they would realise the independence of the people of this country until they bad given them vote by ballot. (Hear.) Col. SIBTIIORP hoped that England would never imi tate Belgium or any_ other country . He oirjected to th ew foreign imitations. He objected also to the ballot, and would despise the support of every voter who wished to have to such a subtlety. Open and honest reptseentatom ought to be eleo:ed by open and honest voting. Mr. HUME referred to the clubs of London as " Erglish" =tsen for the ballot, employed by the most oi nn and able gentlemen. Patitious he bad lately received contradicted the assertion of the member for Stockport, that the majority at his constituents did not densaud the measure. The enfranchisement of 750,000 voters in inland had bees resisted on the plea that they would be driven like sheep to the poll. Mr. BEALD explained that he had nut eluded to the constituency of Stockport specially, but to the average of the esnatituenctie of the empire. Mr. H. BERKELEY replied. No arguments had been adduced against his motion, bat some assertions were made that the necessity foe the ballot had direini‘he t. hear minions he met by showing that intimidation and corrupts , * were still as rife as ever. The boon than divided— For dm mottos Against It lie Majority -16 SCHOOLS IN SCOTLAND. Titcount MELOUND obtained Move to bring is a bill W reform and extend the school umblidiseats of doot)Aad.