The Express. — London, England, 1855-06-08 00:00:00

lir' the coequal a Turkey, sad that Genstsatiaople was setup to be used es a entre from ' whisk all Zeno might be threatened. It was sot samelp,that an insulting embassy had bees motto Coestaatimple, it was sot that Russia* arias had crossed the Torkidehoseildries, It wee that the Witten* would be • staadiaitheneagaiasti Zoom, and the weed of their Malay me fist the saight i of Resin was to be crippled mil Mr Wine erligieselleithes away ; our *blot beteg sat simply to pretest the Tartish empire, bet the entire laterests of eivilisatioa. (Hear, Mar.) We wad to war, disseter followed MR war, sad a mottos was made is this how by myself withal led to very impartial esamaseaess, too ementence being the utter destateMes of Lod Alserdees's goirernmest. This house pared • moieties, by a majority uspreeedeated, against the mode ia whisk the war had been **admitted, and sub's gently 'Misted a essuattes to inquire into the drone stuns ; bat beim. the vete of cuisine std the appellee west of the semmlitee, the mulish:, of the sells lord the mobs, lee Mania, came into of ot. Thatmlaistry the km. gmademes Imbed, when it must have bees doer cad teat to everylsedy that the mamitto would be li Weever, astwitbsileodleig that difficulty, the r a igrt ial lt i l jibed the admisistratioo aad the lint geodes CPI= su b s equently before tic house was the spa Oatmeal et the committee. Thereupon the right Ilea. gentleman the opportunity of leaving the adeatele- Intim, aaddg.glt this out as a significant eircussumes, the meet t that oscarred between his siva**, toe mar eel equally energetic subsequent advoesey Mf I sow ask him what warred in the interval to grebe Ida the advocate of peace ? It was quite clear that AM the vote of censure else committee would go oa, and it astempally certain that the discussion respecties it in this bum would 'evolve the question of whether the war was to hessetiond. Now, the right hon. gentleman having boss a member of that administration, we have aright to consider• menteing dose by it as done by himulf. When the expedi ent le the Crises was prepared by him and his friends—for Whets it was prepared—what should they say ?We have a despatch from the Duke of Newcastle to Lord Raglan, in which he says that there eat be so peace for Europe until Sebastopol is takes. That was the statement, nos of the Duke of Newcaatle, but of the administratio 0, and for that statement I hold the right hon. gentleman responsible. (Heim) When the conference had virtually ended, before that shun one that was esasted in this bossy, at that time had Sebastopol fallen ? I will allow that the Russian Beet had loss destroyed, I will suppose that we had thereupon suds peace, no I ask the house what would base been the malt tithe prosodies? Would there be a realm in Europe that west& not have said, " Zealand and France have been eessuseed ?" sad oar army and navy would have retuned frees the Crimea with disgrace and degradation. (Hear, hear.) Aad sash is the conduct which the right bets gas. Haman edam auto pursue. (Loud cheers.) - Why, themb not a tribe ia the eastern deserts that would not fast cemented we had retired because we weld sot take Sebastopol. (Chests.) And yet the right hon. gentlemen says we Wield have retired with one military honour tuatara mislaid, with the Mints of the war acomptisbed. (Neer.) I teat to know, than, what were the objects of the war? Would Hoop* ba t he —would the Turkish empire be sets ? True it is that Russian armies have retired hems& the Prink ; but whatemority have we that midge Is. age they would aot be on the Danube again ? (Hear, hear.) Weald It not be said that England and France had failed, and should we have been in a position to undertake the szpedition which we have undertaken ? Is abort, would it set be dear to everybody that instead of obtaining the idiots of the war, we had failed in engem of them, and that the intense, of civilisation and hamaity would incur great demos from oar failure ? (Hear, hear.) Thee what would have boom of the principle of political morality Wash Wesel us to undertake this war, if the omit* of the eight her. boast ware acted epos ? (Hear, hear.) We IWO lisimeamiflatil millioas of treasure and %beamed& of t flw what? It may tot said that the right hon. pgo :, b out of idles sow, and that makes a woadrims ; but I would mak him, sad I would ask house, if any coo object for whiob, when ta alAss. he was a party to our uttering into Mk war. hes bias &wised ? I ask, is the power of sews adelea—L. Europe safer, or is the Turkish empire mkt the. when the war drat coinmenced ? It is clear to sall that if paled followed the advice of the right hon. hersost, yew sidght bare satisfied him and his right tweeter ▪ bleeds, but yea would have brought degradation upon the esestre. (Cheers.) I know that what the right hon. Mout doss is always done with deliberation. 1 don't say that le alwaacts prudently, but he always acts deliber ately, sad if he does sometimes act imprudently, he does so with his eyes open. (Hear, bear.) Did he not, then, under take this war advisedly ?--and if so, fur what did he induce the people of Zeeland to leave their peaceful avocations and to sacrifice their blood and their treasure ? Was it Dimply that the Remises should retire beyond the Peels, bet heaping hie army inuct and his pewee as great as ever ? Yet this is all that would have bees obtained by (attests, Me right boa. baronet's advice. (Hear, bear.) Tres, me should have bad peace ; bat it would have been • ildrararabis ponce, and we should have been weaker se S satin than when we entered urn the war. (Hear.) ' I obit to be frank with the noble lord at the head of the 1 gemsemees I said is this house eons days ago that the eseser, bet se oonflieucts in the government of the noble 1 lead tor esadacting the conferment at Vienna, and now I I will tell the mottle lord why I said so. In the first place, • ' now bad gone abroad that there were still in the goyim. ', ment.of the noble lord persons who sit as the right hem ' genlibmen felt who, with his two right hon. friends, boa I Needed hem the cabinet. (Haar.) When I say this, Ide 1 Mt alto le impute to that right bon. gentlemen what I kora be e s said in some quarters, that he is the friend of I isle& tar.) Nosuch thing ; but what Ido impute to Ma Is oak that he was the teiend of Russia, but that 1 la this matter —using metier a mistake--he was not I the friend of Eagland. I do not suppose for a 1 assist that he was • traitor to his country, 1 bee that he made a mistake, and having made it, ' i t u have vet t what 1 wijottui;de°l:74:oentre in n ore tOr d ef l ir, u t t l f a o : it be w i es utQ flie I I sat of doon that there were persons still in his admisistra tan who entertained similar opinions upon this question with those who had left it, and the person I Ohio" to more ' aporially is the noble lord the mambo for Leedom. The omen I say this is, that the noble lord held or acquiesced la Issigusgs at the conferences of Vienna which was un worthy of any English minister. (Hear.) I say that so HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TIIIIIISDAY, JCSII 7. Beets!' minister—especially the author of reform in ,par Th e house met at 4 o'clock. hament—ought to have put his hand to that protocol the PRIVATE BUSINESS. shiest of which was to take from an independent people the power of self- government. (Cheers.) English interests are The following bills wen severally read a third time and tee interests of the world—her interests are the ja r/esti: Basingstoke, Stocktnidge, and Lobcomb Conn to ta of civilisation and seli-government, but in this Road ; Bridport and Broad Winsor Reads ; Bridport Roads. n e . ' case the noble lord sided with the despots Gumtreal and Dewsbury Road ; Honiton Road ; L i e bt p ill the world, and Birdlip Road ; North Yorksh ire and Cleveland Rail- who wou ld crush an independent people and deprive them of the right of managing their own concerns. way ; Oaford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway Hear, hear.) The house well knows the protocol to which (Improvements and Branches) ; Orford , Worcester, and i li de A minister of Knelled understandieg the into. Wolverhampton Railway (Narrow Gamer) ; Portsmouth a ll u de . •Enis d and the par t A u stria was playing, should Railwey ; Rhyeeney Railway ; Stroud and Chalford Reeds; ThICIIrs whispered g a the ear o f . • Stroud, Caissons", and Minchinhamoton Road ; Bills. into ear ISAMU', three words—l know there are persons in this house who will raise their yeas THE CAMP IN THE CURRAGH , against me when I mention them, but I know oho that the Is answer to Colossi DU/WOMBS, time will come when Ones three words will be the watch- Mr. IdONSELL stated that by next week there would weeds of Europe and of good goverment—the three words be camp acaommodation on the Currsgh for 6,000 men. I would have whispered in the ear of Austria are " Poland, THE WAR.—ADJOURNED DEBATE. Hungary, Italy." (Cheer,) It may be said lam now Mr. ROEBUCK, in re-opening the adjourned debate raisiog the question of natmealities. I take the part of natiosalitin against despots always, and I firmly batten said, at say time I should be abalone to address the bows as that Austria, if these three words had been whispered is briefly as possible, but I am more than usually so now, OD her ear, would have understood her position, and net have unease of my own weakness, with which I hope the house played fast and loose with this country and with France will bear patiently. (Hear, hear.) I shall proceed at case bat would base trembled before the spirit which those to state sty opinioas—for I cannot argue them—as to why I three mods would bays nisi tared up before . ber.. (Hear.) lon quite aware what 1 lour by this declaration ; but, think the war should be protested vigorously until we ob- feeble as las to ezprsts adequately the feelings I entertain, tail an honourubis Pease. (Hear, Ulm) The opinions of lam yet strong in the oonvietios that in the three words I the right hon. baroatt, Oa member for Carlisle, ere always have mentiosed is the talisman of European safe ty.rs matte of consideration with me, and, on the last ousel= Thom-) I would say to its a lord the member for melon that his speech—sot the mead, ead, bat the first upon which he addressed the house I looked for these with sperah. L drat far to swim the apiaries la the paws mad coasiderable cariosity, for I had &shrewd supine' as to the genet him. I believe from his ststemeat the scold wen course be isteaded to take, and I wss mints to Mew the led to suppose that the noble lord was of the peace party ; grounds upon whisk he would rot his adoption of that but his subsequent epoch has tended meth to undo the is presidoa produced by the first. I object to this fast and course. That right hon. gentleman haA bees a ameba of loose policy. (Clue's.) The people of England have, by Lord Aberdeen's goverument, and can of the mast proud- the i r leaders, been dragged into this war. Ido not say nest in determining to go to war with Ruins. He said the. tbey have gone into it reluctantly, or without fuU confidence last time he addressed the house, that, in his opiates, the in their leaders; but I say that it behoves those who are war was a just and necessary war, and that it was for the the leaders of such a people le be steadfast in their faith— (hear, bar)—and not in the moth of September send oat interest of this country it should be entered Into; I was a despatch to their general-in-chief that the only hops carious, therefore, to know how he would shape his wane of safety for Europe is the destruction of Sebast ipol and in the present debate, and be all for peace now, Meng boss the "rippling of the Runlets power in the Black Sea, and all for war only a few months since. (Hear, bear.) I was is lass followiag to come forward as the advoca mations to know what had occurred between his leavbg pules smi i = to England a degrading subseissioe tu l le office, and the swiferenee, to change his opinias. I was sow P awl/e m u s wi ld (Hear, hear.) Ido not believe that the the member for Tiverton is of this wavering dia. Giant be would state the ()blots that had led to the pedille, • (Hear, hear.) I Olio's that he went into this war, and would add, that in his opiates those war With IM eyes wide open, sad with a firm spirit—that objects had now all been obtained, mud I was he will sot be to by esaiddaradows of • permed curious to see how he would sump, to peon the nature to vacillate in hie purpers—bla that he will seer last position. Two years ash We siosstr , Was is a state of keep before him the intonate ell Isislesd, which, is my rorsaad pram. We had hiss hog tesestemed to, and mead, are paramount to all others. (Hear, hear.) I bops that be will retain that spirit, and that as we have entered were pursuing tho avosatioes of pees*, with as energy saw iato this war so we shall continue it until the ead we have valeta in the Metal of man. Art and slam were by es in view is obtained—that we shall be firm bold, pushed into every Oboe, Own was not a sea that tom not and straightforward — that whet we Pie we oltell in se self envie" spirit unwarily gi ve visited by our ships, or a market that wee set filled with /, • - - our goods, but while thus pursuing our peosstal atheaticias esenieg on a war which we an tol d Is to maintain the muss of civilisation against barbarism—of European freedom the Mulish world was suddenly startled by ea appeal hem se bl a t i h ns e tralaa " of toyurner cress, d w ain e sti bi ali tioe— tstai w a n d at ne we ly ge by in t ho he a s el m tly cur hasten, telling so we mat go immelistely to war mean (cheer.)—that oar object being to cripple Ramis, (Rear, hear.) On what ground' was that appeal mode, soil will we take from her we ehalt hap. (Hear, hear.) These ee by who. was re made more earnestly thee by the right hon . are gnifittant phrases, an I man them to be so. ( beers.) gentleman ? (Hear, hem) TM finned was that the lade. Is sling with Ramie as our 'assay we ere so longer to p m g cme , o f E a .. was * L w o w, that there w a s a great 0004dtlf her honour, but to madder mantled as our allies power that wes — aierigois " ppm prrossa id the dark, —that we are fighting the battle of makied, and that is mad Irma ft, peels had boa with am u s i ng swa mp maw. crippling Russia we are benefiting the whole bums& race. lag asibiti°6B pro Bets of daialaiaa ' It was said that the Mt. S. HERBERT observed that the bon: and leaned time had aew some whin its designs were to be disclosed, geatleman hid advanced as attach ageism ` a right bon. sad thuds" arse see wee to be the absorption of the Ottlams Me (Sr J. Orshens) upon gnus* a(11. Her ithliii•e• We eon all mallet% the eciandiag of that war lord to show were 'theft usiebodal. The bon. H ad trumpet, and bow vigorously the right hon. lOSUNIMIS blew salt that It %WOW *Aden by the into it. (Ho., hear.) We a u maws . u . - _....,. .., erre= la June lath mos . prodused before Reform Club— the than . I— speech a' ''. the Itheirespel eansmittrie, ant Mlle duke pledged the silo the moth at the diet there siontel benicgoesomail Settestopol was Manisa — t haa ; liwel l— " a . we wero.teld that the at bet the birm awl liaised gentleman's war "1 " 1 " sf *eagle ligelest damn, of d•wistbs et the to hir so the words were issa was met 'estrost be Dohs of Neweastle saver 164111bubaliuntilasa. hear.) .ers thss" It was inerlissi" that ailialt 5111' si Then awn be se pear, ' be mid there would 1"46.16 shy V the sietwdag 0 vs. s a id emetic* by Bemis, would be is m should laden Mr to most the ISMS 1141 . 1 ... . .. .. . . . .. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LOEDS.--TRI7ISDAT. JUNE 7. Tin Logi) USAlCat.ink took kis seat Open the wookeek a t ye o'clock. PRTITIONS. Lori BERNSB,S ;!•••• I .•d • ?ethic% 'genet the May ' see* T.ie Bishop of LINCOLN prenatal! a pititiee. signed by 'snow eharchwardeas residing in diffneat parts a the eosetsy,.opinit tko bill for the shoikke sharek-rates. TMEET-OF.I.RAYI SYSTEM. Lord LYNDHURST wished ID *all the attendee of their indshipe a can whin appmeed is anis sa to sa ma a t the day, as to having bete beergill before Ike. laribiri, pollee magistrate. It was the ma Si a farillin, sat ages tickeVof-leart, who had bees linielikt BMW the elegdo• trite epos the clause of hang onedi ! Z age a polite consta ble. Referring to en asses " the Lague meet have hues bed Weed toebeek • man. It formed • d ribseg ionerear, no Beebe. IMO seetimens mtprosse y the is bids iniereletra with the chaplain of the prison from miff* M Mal ellielitel his ticket-at4eave. Oa these sesesioni. It greeda adoptioa of a hypos:Weal tone sad s seating espeneiMe of the etnritensace (which the worst of them were *saes' of Naming best when it carved their parpme le de se) r eused is obtain their diabetes Wore the alpine= a Ildlf the term of the original seatenee. with the farther oteerstex of • written character , cashing there to lapses gen publish Why, he bad not presided there say day Mr ems Nee put inti r= without having to dispose ed MOO ▪ " ticket et -leave" man. Ike atighbenr lig with then. They stand at the 0113111111 of 'boon at mid eight, end pouncing suddenly apes the lamely passage! half strangle and rob hint beton eves as alarm I na be given.' Their lordships would observe that this wee a magistrate's stateneat of what bad eons within his owe knowledge. Upon this the Polies-inspeettr Meekensis said :—" There were 40 ticket-et leave men is the insinikie seighboar hood of the eoart who bad retuned re their aid trains and to their former none ef life. la seder, beremnit, M meld the peewit consequence* they usually emploped tips tea ironies es assist them, and these were ammientip ypr heeded while the principal delinquents treiged aiMgal 9 9 The ma/strata then said :—" He bad a very Ong bali ng open the reject. Sniety was not safe with the presses system is operation. It taintst be a desirable thing to deer the gaols of these saes, bet it was • bad thing for the peblie wham they nomad to • life of seise, having mosped man then half the pool/bone% which it had been thought proper to award then for previous oiliness. The imposes even of re-prosecutiog then men, when they are detected, mast amount to a f orm idable ma." He (Lord Lyndhurst) well present is theirlordships' hoses wises the dimension look plan urn this Convicts' Tioketeof-Leave Bill, and he resollestod what was thee said by his noble and learned (dead the Chief Intim on the aubject. He thostaht that the fasts which he bad just read to their lordships tally wormated the obs melons which his *obit and lensed Mead im pressed epos that occasion. B. would am her Majesty's government to mooed', the subject, and he was certainly of opinion that the sooner they did se the better it would be for the public. He trusted that amidst this did' of sew which was oceurriog every night at a plain not far distant, a question of so mush social importance es this to which be had called attrition would not be quite lost sight of. The LORD CHANCELLOR scald only say that if his: noble friend would either give notice of a entitle or of his intention to put a question upon the sableet, it should have the most onion, atteatioa of the government. He mild not then go into the matter, for the statement of the noble and learned lord was quits new to Ms, as he had not nee the newspaper to which reference had been nada. Re would only my this, that his right hen. (rind the Seastary of &mike the Home Devastates% had the matter caw neat ly seder his &meatiest. Lord CAMPBELL said that every appealbeinkim whisk ke had satertained ono this subject had been Moe Oben peel bed by the facts which had occurred Anse die peenieg oldie Ticket-of Leave Bill. He had always lesised - with doe greatest tiers at the abolition of traegeriellion es a menu of panisksteat, aad he feared that still INNS etimegasecas they them already&dented to sight seise from it. CRIMINAL JURISDICTION. Is newer iOI:O7CiBIOI3ORP.M. The LORD CHANCELLOR said be could snare his noble friend that this subieet was an lost sight of. Oaly that morning he had received a bag report embodyhig • enema. That scheme, however, did not gaits tally with the plan of the bill whin he had prepared, and sane alter ations would. is consegiseacie, have to W made I. it. Ile hoped not those eltersiiins wield be enspieted is a day or two whoa be would play the bill upon the table. Lied CAMPBELL suggested that noble sad learned friends is that holm would obtain the beet possible inform shoe se to the working of oar system of criminal juris prudence if they would go upon ow of the circuits. They wen already seated is the comminon for the Central Crimisal, and there ieotild be no difficulty is their going epos cirneit. lie would especially saggest to his noble and learned irked opposite (Lord Stoneham) that he should go epos the Northers Circuit in the Deeembn anises. Lord BROUGHAM said nothing could be mine hied— (lniatter)—sed move kindly anent then the suggestion of him onblb sad learned (rimed (Lord Cempbell), sad be should be wet happy to concur in it bet for two MINAS. la the Ant plate he should not like to interfere with whet was sew so admirably done by his sable and learned friend sad the reverent , beech of judges over whom he presided—C.' bear," and laughter) ;—in the neat plane be felt himself ne feeble is health and strength te enter upon the labours whin had been so kindly proposed to him. Short of this, however, he would do anything to put an end to • system under which men wen left in prison for 60 or 70 days before they wen brought to trial. CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY BILL. The above bill paned throagh committee dm 'unmanly a prolonged diseued•in soon the several elesses. INPANTS MARRIAGE BILL. The LORD CHANCELLOR moved the second reefing of this hill. Its object was to legalise the dieposal of pro perty by persons married nailer the legal age. The bill was read a second time. ECCLESIASTICAL PROPERTY (IRELAND) BILL. tir his bill was reed a thin time and passed. TIN hoes* adjourned at a ginner to nine o'clock. ....air _ e I hoped to be able to dictate. (" War, Mee," hem Mr. Ambush.) The hoe. and kielled times sheaved that. L . Well , la the Sop deem to X n erbiett the 6- the of N. said, '0 wav e s wiskielm , . 41;L ass : 41111"ta seasig . .. t othase "nallr eliesit st al teig isemd "fill emirs " ma tlo be la sr . , okaleam elisieitsr." Bet offensive illisis le their ; sa w. a stere u r .he say plith of a elerrastimi for tilh Fish% lig . ,3 * o l , "mid AO KIM eV** a s th e som ai i i.e. % pf Rosie would be Measles! es the Skies ef Se battotiol." Sir J. PA. YIN ( that the IR*et'April de ?' m r . jog BRRT—Yes, the 10th of Altiell &smash, Ayr limas m u ' the despatch earth 10th of 7rine. But hew meld theta kiss of Masohave bees regarded as la k m . m u ea Gan a Won. as the bo und barged psalms& um. when th e a u; sentence in the &apse* kit it to the dismal= of the gen.irah fa summed to Milo whether it should be *Mistakes* meth ? regthere If the taking of Sebastopol was to limo be.. • ienditiserelpmee, why wee beet theleded is the Loth _riots ? (thews) His right Item friend the member t o Bouthwatk tha said that if we did not take Sebastopol, aemles weal suture to Bag. hid fatting their banners with diagram What, then, i irenla have happened if tos days ego Rooth had sempted the NM pepeeed to her ? The whole error mere from the I Mathisa of two thinp essentially distinct, vim,. lb* opera- I time elf the war as a mesas to as mid. with the I end to be obtsined by those operations. AU car oile r Weft emanated with a view to Ph ' ere at war pier endeavour should be to hum ble nonessithey, On Wen her, if possible to crush her; bat whim pee ease 1 to make terns of peace, you should recoiled that yea are 1 isg with them whom you wish to make away frieads, i egg wbsa th erefore it would be unwise to humble beyond VW the fortune of war has done already, or to Jesuit by 4 dishimearable terms. In dealing with this goes- L igil lg illi the MOMS the difficulty which arms fres its beim lammed by sot oily different parties, but by members of the mss party levies widely different views, different objects, and different antecedsate. There were those who thought the time had arrived when the country might con chide a sate ad honourable pesos ; then there was the member foe Meschester who objected to war altogether; agate, them woe the right hon. member for Manchester who disappeared of this particular war, bet did net share the plot principles of his hon. cal liope; sad seat, there were these who, like himself and kb light hes. friends beside hint (Mr. Gladsome and Sir J. Grebes) were advocates for the war in the flat isetasee, foe the attainment of certain objects ; which objects having bees attained, were now for peace. The hoe. harslet (Sir B. Islam) asked how could they be the advocates of war me day, and the advocates of peace another? But that was begging the whole question of what had happened slues the war began. He justified himself for having advised the was by the magnitude of the objects to be obtaleed by it. Time objects, which had been fully ezplained la treaties end public documents, were the abrogation of the network of treaties by which Russia held Turkey in her grasp—the &betides of that exclusive and painful protectorate claimed by Russia, es founded upon treaties giving her a right to interfere in the internal affairs of Turkey; and there was besides these the question of the navigation of the Danube. In none of the public documents in which these objects were set forth, was there any mention of "limits tiou ?" That was a child of after growth. Bet all the objects he had enumerated be believed to be of para mount importance; and when he was asked why, having hem formerly for war, he was now for peace, he replied by skies bow would them who had gene for war for those 'Wits be for continuing that war, those objects bevies Mss obtained ? He thoaght we bad not, in this country, done to our military successes, sr the extent of the wtmislea Roosts had bees forced to endure. It had ben said that the submissions of Russia were comparatively small. imiliese the result of victories, and not of negotiations. Bet Me MOM of negotiations was not to obtain substations, but to arrange terms based upon the submissions won in the held. Bat with regard to them submissions, Ramie had been compelled to evacuate the P 4 intieittiell ; her fortificatioes on the Circassian coast had hese alias &sad and destroyed; Bomanund had beat tap. Soma; the two seas which had been regarded al most as Russian lakes were blockaded; the pro visos where the nobles were Russians, and the people Poles, were, it was understood, in a state of inanition ; there was growing discontent amongst the nobility,who bad bone accustomed to seek abroad those pis tires they could met lad et home; and lastly, there was the inability of Rua. Isla—the strongest military power in Europe—to expel from its shores two hostile sores that were encamped ape its Ise& There was also the fact that the fleet of Russia was unable to have the protection of their forts ; and there were, also, the recent reverses she had suffered at Keith, ' and in the &sof Mott The hon. and learned member for Plymouth bad attacked the members of the late govern- Mat, who, like himself, left it under the air gemetanees described by the honourable and learned ipmehiman below him (Mr. Roebuck), and stated that ask presence in the cabinet was the reason those successes wife not obtained before, and that as their hearts were not in the war they paralysed the efforts of the military ism sanders. That was • grave charge, and he would not attempt to reply to it by any prof. salons of his. If after 20 years spent in that house, devoted to the public service (and he spoke more for his two right boa. frauds, Sir J. Graham and Mr. Gladstone), he could be supposed to be guilty of conduct so base, there was no use in character. Nor would he condescend to eater protests, caveats, or death's spinet such • charge. (Cheers.) With mead to the lasses which had ciecuseed in our army, he believed that since the begin ning of the war 13.000 men bad fallen victims to it, either from the sword or diatom—but he deprecated a pesetas which had been too frequent is these debates, of exerts*. rating that lase, as denegiog our position in &shag with the enemy. The hon. and teamed gentleman ( Mr. Cellar) said, thank Gal the three traitors have been expelled from the cabinet, especially he, who, for his own private reason% prevented the bombardment of Olsen and the attack aeon Bench when it ought to have been made. He would read a despatch (the noble lord at the head of the government having given him leave to do so), whisk would show hew far the Marge was true that his right hon. friend beside Um was the traitor, as the hen. and learned member for Plymouth said, whose orders p ted those active omenores being carried out which the military eorantaiders 1 tbonsbe necessary. Ibis despatch was dated (Heber 13. 1 111114, and was from the Secretary of the Admiralty to Sir,—l am commended by my Lord" Osea l" nt iral issi D ou u e n re das :" I — the Admiralty, with Isthmus to the essestioss of the test under your orders, to call per spatial ma particular attention to the amenity of exereteieg the lamest vigilance and care in preventing the moves's% of WOW all deseriptions proceeding out of the Bay of L. er ects and the river Dniester, and 1 am to signify to you their directions to take every precaution is your pewee te pre vent tionumnication with the Cristo& from poets in that direction. My lords are further of opialon that. ith the mew at your disposal will admit, propos measures should be concerted with your colleagues in commend of the allied forces, for obtaining an entrance by the Gulf at Kedah into the Sea of Asoff, with a view to iaterrupt the cemmunications of the enemy with the earners shores of the Crimes, to which their lordships have always attached the sweetest importance. In comert, likewise, with your col leagues, my lords consider that no Oppettnnitiee should be lost to occupy the lineation of the emu by frequent attacks upon all parts of the mast extending trim the mouths of the Danube to the isthmus of Perthop, and that any proper opportunity for the bombard ment of Odessa should not be omitted." He wished to say one word is defence of Admiral Deeds. There was a conclusive reams why that gallant officer had not attacked °deem. He waked to do so, and hit made the atheathry preparation", bet was premated,not by the Zilpah only, bat by the French general as well, who were of opinion that the destruction of Odessa would liberate a large body of troops, who would go to swell the army in the Crimea. He (Mr. Herbert) was giving no opinion whether the stra tests mesons urged by the allied generals were sound or not, but they were sufficient to acquit Admiral Dundee of any charge of neglect. (Hear.) If there was still any doubt of the intentions of his ngut hosi.friend hewould read asether despatch,wbich he thought mall not fail to satisfy the hens. He would read from a despatch, of September 8, which he 1 bad the permission of the noble lord at the head of the government to nee--- Lowd SEYMOUR here rose and said, I beg to ask a 1 question-4 beg to ask whether there despetathe have beck I laid on the table ? If there is to be • dietaries ea despatches on ease& we ought to have the answers to them. I move that the despatches be laid on the table as well se those in answer to them, and I ask the noble lord whether he will lay them on the table? Mr. 8. HERBERT said that the objection of the athis lord was a fair one. It was a rule of the home that despatches should it be read which were not ea the table, but there weer measions when a public mast was attacked when the generosity of the house ought to be appealed to, and as is this imams, the noble lord at the heed of the government had no objeitioo to their modalities, believing they would lead to no public inconeraleme, he hoped the home would bear with bim while he read them. withe Ilmestary to the A.dmimlty to vise-AdmiralDan das.-40theirelty, Ithoseaber 8, 1864.-84,-1 am ens. nmeebe4 by eeir Lords Commission," of the Admiralty to call_ MIS eglathen to their letter of the 13th of °sober last, RC mu, eespoedng an attack on the port at Odessa at any =togetweroity. Although this pieties has bees post at the request of the generals aossaanding the allied fermi ea skim my lords are et opinion it shoal be agate takes thee eansideration, with a view to aa fleeted opera tioe' ',hemmer eireuenstances will permit.—" R. °thecae." The sate had (Seymour) said that he eight cot to read despatches without the answer to them ; but I am reading these oely with • view to acquit Admiral Deeds. of blame, and he made at the tame aims no imputalea ea the eons sanders, or these who, no doubt, had good and sound M eow for their fondest. He (Mr. Herbert) lad beard sem plaints lost Austria meld not light and Prussia would not light. But whisper the word Poland, sad es i f f ra ti quid sot /she. Bat which way? Wes it to drive them settees iato a striae Shansi with the camel power of Ruda? In dealing with questions of foie*. Milky, you must deal with them on other gratis& than mama or religious sympathise. The third word which was to be whispered was Italy. Whisper that word to Asada. Yee. But wee all Italy Avestan? You must whisiter the word elsewhere, and in a gentler voile. Wes this the seismal to naistion i nathmaties, es the posed -ela whisk yea were gin . le meadmi your Miley ? •If ever a wee foe satiesaßtlee wee eery Mod ,on by' &whoa, yen must pot tarp% me eettatity Which .. bed tell ' )beetmed Peter clam dam P"gasa or sopii: ro.4' aid Reagan might be op., gremed. bet it wee, Sa te speak: • boatly4lreanielle set op gremiesof peeemel liberty. Bat there 4 901111 1 / 7 VIM. ad by • goverment which Psevidenee a Mean, to serious *ever tie trust n eseleelestice. if that state ern still d; trim on . amen of the effendi. .of ,f a 1 He saw fa sae of the paper* nen; jr ig : oat tics • the P ara Hear, anted hie .Hems bone...el a Mara" (Hese, hear.) Ineyine del rake se fillhory thee sables bat military term men re& Dat stew* an meld Chet was done “by stadealag Fat damn pitili plibels ef landres." (Hear, bear.) If yom Ilhe mote Irelool. Hungary, and Italy, you must te • mesa wilful' proteins the Roan masa pegglearesbigh gnus gremenppeet to tbat relights, emil by w lnit the ?gab Masked fa - ble .rnra eloadaions ; pea mast It ti an ally Olin bad directly Opposite sympeMku to your ma, bat which was ila ally toe nimble to he Tithed fee - the bidet- Wm of Unpin feelings Hit. thew; as ally which was IWO, fa good fellowship by our side :and he smile orWlllealibienwa friperteafea whoa in the government that theist** of the Fronk bad beloved to the English grnernmerat with • frankness, a cordiality, mad • good faith of ea ally which he (Mr. Herbert) thought of great I is . Did think that, because we weer engaged In egoist *Omen together I No, bat because I. thought tho Imeperor 0 the Fronk was acting for the Preach mein, when lemings and wishes he understood, and he Impoil lint when the war wee over it would learn behind It Ile seeds of • lanai aniline bowies this coastry aad that feint and eh - nohow people. Bat the question was, what wets we now to es I The four points were sot put an end to, for Lord Clareadoa had toted, what he thought, terms for the basis of oegniatiow, which were almost the same as the four points. The ante lord (J. Rasoll), however, bad spoken of Ruda sae 'Mad, awl of the influswe of Russia is Germany, eauseel by intermarriages among the prism of that contry, in • manner which was very alarming He saw also that LOri Clarendon had spoken of Russia's seaverteng her sailing ships into screw steamers, sad covering the land with a network of railways, sad he (Mr. Herbert) could only say that be hoped that royal marrisgeo I. Germany, and the conversion l auding ships of war into steamers, and covering • country with a network of railways, was not to afford us • pretext fa going to war. (Rear, hear.) Bat the noble lord, in his hpeseltea Tuesday, greatly took away from the effect of his tamer doelgsaderrader be ead that all be said was only used us segmeat ageing the power of Russia. In the absence diced Olageades. he (Ur. Herbert) would be towilliug to make any eammentsonetwanatioas of his, and the more SO bessue, having 'hula the eaktgae of the noble lord, he left the saint eaterteials4 for him the greatest esteem as wet) as odashetna he the pilau* industry, and feet with which he had , ernes& ea SSW issailiet of the moot momplieated allies; the men ensphoseed Imam carried sa in concurrence with three ether /ewers. Bat, before the Wm and the scantly &Med ea alas of this kind, they Would look cierehaliy to the state et war alliances, and the gate of Swope. He spoke of the interest which Frans sad Austria had la a war of nationalities. In France the war was sot so popular as it was is England, though the laglish allows was popular. At present France was not subjected to aay heavy additional taxation, for the wee had been carried oa ea credit. You could net there in, trees the indifference to the war in France to the pres sure of taxation. He (Mr. Herbert) thought the war was time remote to touch powerfully the imaginations of the Meech people. They did not undentand too a war which aging with a self-dasyngordinanoe egainstconquest. There was • very significant fact. The Foreign Minister of France reigned. The Emperor was his own minister. The resign Minister of France was the Prime Minister mad the Bonenr was therefore his own foreign minister. M. Drouyn de Lhuys made a pray sal to us. whisk it mast be supposed was that of the Browne, whisk we. rejected, sod he resigned. In a few e. vs after, 1 the lieffilewr, which was strictly • government paper, betroband into benisons istatement of the hicknerickino; = hick said that -tropossls had been sacs which were wn, as not being ' consonant with the interests of Neale, but it added that the Emperor naturally wished to teepees the wishes of the English goy,. o mect. He (Mr. Herberi)inferred from aUtbis that France was nearer to peace Ma we were. (Hear, hear.) She would stand by us in the Mingle, but her interests wets different; her friendship be us could be orm, bat like all friendships, it ought not to be taxed too heavily. Mr. DRUMMOND observed that the right hon. member he Wiltshire had approved of the war when it originated, bat recommended now that it should be discontinued. Now bb (Mr. Drummond's) opinion was exactly the reverse; for he began by deprecating the was, bat he now contended ✓at we had nothing lett for it but to go on is what we had eidertakea. He was sorry to hear the right hon. gentle man appeal to his character in the house, as the right hoe. baronet (Sir James Graham) did on a former occa sion. There woe a story of Jeremy Bentham's sung to Sir Francis Burdett as a young man when ha first altered the Howe of Commons, .' Whenever you bear a man appeal to his character in the House of Commove, put both your bands in your pockets." (A laugh) The right boo. gentleman need um fear that any one would apply the eneedote to him ; but such an appeal was unworthy of him. Now be (Mr. Drummed) thought the country had been stimulated with tales and exageerated representations of the aggressive power of Russia. Everything had loan dons to Intake Rung odious in the eyes of the peoploof. England. whilst our statesmen coquetted with the oppressed Nationalities, with Italy and Hangar,. They encouraged rebellion and sevolutioa to ferment in Europe, whoa the Emperor of Russia stood forward as the bed of cones.- Tatiana. This was not • war for the integrity of the Turkish empire. No Satopern state had ever recognised snit a thing. Nor mild we prebend to be defendiag civilisatou ; for the social condition of Turkey waa the most abominable that ever existed, all the female sex loins treated as slaves and boon and mortared when they grew old—Jos no woman was allowed to survive the sego of fifty in luny ; infanticide was an weal occurrence, and marriages was im possible. except to the rich ; so that the immorality which prevailed in Turkey was such as be could not deueibe. Then was it not an algae of terse, to say that wo were gong to war for the asks. of civilise:era ? (Hear. hear.) The hen. gentleman Wen oussural is general that endues of Mr. Cobden, monolog him that the tribunes oft tbs WO" often became Ws first victoria el the passion Ahoy embed.. He said the popular rap now sought a inent, and meld not loot be content with a general *ea hatband, bat would penaps demand a cabinet 1111661110. it was impossible to ben any annum in publics ma whilst the opposition told government employed thealselees 1 la blackens/ each ether, and whilst the ezamrat of Sir 1 Robert Peel was renealabuid, which had inflicted kr a pare. ble mieshisf ea the 'haunter of our statesmanship. (Cheers.) Two geed thieve, however, might come out el the war. 1 There wield be attend to the Mehometan power, and the I ether thing wee that France, whatever haepened, would be to nada the mistress of Constantioople. I The debate was continued by Serjeant nal, who deli. won a proNaisian speech, Mr. ALcoCx. sad Sir W. CULT, who interned to support the government; and Sir H. Wu.- LOllOlll2 and Lord R. CuoIL. IIIr.BRIGHT said—l feel very muck is the position which I felt last year when the declaratioa of war was brought down to the house, sad I made a speech in opposition to the government policy. I was then told that I was too late, and it has Wen said in the come of these debater, more than I nee, that thew who take the view I take are too late ea this occasion. And it appears to be one of the consequences of the peculiar sad irresponsible system of diplomacy in this country, and of the management of foreign affairs with as, that we sever are allowed to discuss a mischief while it is yet growing, bat mast always wait until it ts completed— when it is too late for any remedy to be applied. (Hear, hear.) We. however, obtained the liberty to discuss the endued of the government in regard to the contemns at Vines, though we were told from the Treasury bench that it would be injurious to the public genies to discuss what was going on a reference to than conferences until the whole was completed. I think, how ever, that the house will have concluded by this time that we have been pursuing our true duty to the country is carrying on these discussions ; and I think we are greatly indebted to the right hon. melons. for Buckley bullshit. (Mr. Disraeli) for placing his notice on the pew of the hoses, aad to my right hon. friend and consign (Mr. Gibson) for moving the adjournment of the debate previous to the holidays to this week. (Hear.) lam satis. fied that the !people 0 this country have no intention to go wrong either in our home or our foreign affairs, and it re. =sly that questions of this nature should be frankly 4 in this house, to set before them the true state if affairs, mad bring them to a wise and sound opinion as to the policy which has been pursued. (Hear, hear.) We are net now dimming the question of the coign of this war. If we wire, I should claim confirmation in the result of the views I ventured to express in the first boom —for then seems to be a general feeling that the sacrifices that have already been made are somewhat greater than the results which have been obt tined. (Hese hear.) In the observations I am about to address to the house, I am desirous, of course, to speak as wishing to im press my opinions upon the house, were it possible to do no, but principally to lay before my countrymen out of the house, whet I believe to be their true interests in rapist to this question. It is neceasary, therefore, that we node have I Weis for our discussion—to fix what are the objects for which the war was undertakes—to ascertain whether those objects have been itecomplieted, and also whether think anything is prospect we are likely to gale, that will justify the government and the house in proceeding farther with the war. Now, in my observations I am not sheet to carry on the discussion with the hon. iten thmett below me, who are themselves interested is a villein which is by no means that before ,the bosses Than hon. gentlemen are interested in some vast and gigantic scheme of supposed advantage ti Europe, to be obtained only by means of long and middy extended hostilities; but, so far as the house is coagegial be dimming the question with the goverment, I think ~.. hon.gentlemen are out of court. If they were bread be their um, finding that th e policy of the goverment nag the "icy of the French goverment is altogether at miaow with tbeire—if they think, as they say, that the object of the albed governments is not worth currying on wee foe—they ought, to be consistent, to join our tasks, and thus we should add to the strength of the pease party in this house. (" Hear, liesp" and a laugh.) The noble lord ON Secretary Yoe the Colonies has stated over and over agaial—sad, amidst the confusion of statements whisk be and consume hate made, I think be will searady Ist 4 fault i y th to o se e il e y e l re ass t :ta T e a w r h k a is t it he se w fri ish o e 3 s u , I hout presme. tbe „p g.'s we lboul understanu him towns is—that the *Nest of this war le , and I suppose from the grasp 0 any ether yowert•- apprehends that if Rode wen to extend her pivot lisv A s acquisition of Tuley, it would gin bib sash 110 stress*, as to endanger the rah* Wire N pow.. And wiles he spate it she • tle• Wad 1 I ssanall to ..1 . • • I most eall it absimi—linguip about the liberties of Bumps and the civilisation of dm wOrld, I should say the noble toed moms these great objects so fax satiny ma be conserved by the menservation of the Turkish territory. (Hear.) The sobs lord tells us—and so far we are getting at length out of gems of that vsystifiostien which has hitherto shereeterbed the government that he has no kind of gym. pithy sub as would lead him Mb war for the sake of what are eaLled , the net/mantis* of Boron. The noble lord termed the sold shoulder to the people of Hungary when I he mid that be thought so greater aeleinity could bonen to Europe than the separation of Hungary from the Antrim empire. (Hear, hear.) Then we have got rid of Hungary. (Hear.) The noble lord said also the other night that it was a mistake to suppose that he ever intended to go to war for the restoration of Piked ; end he stated further, what must he dishersztenhig to these who supposed the government would ever go to war for sash a Quixotic object, that the cense of Poland was hopeless, ad that it would be utter madness for England or Francs— not merely indiscretion, but madness—to take any part la promoting resistance es the part of ithe people of that country to their crown rules. Well, having got rid of Hungary sod Poland, it requires only to assume, what so doubt u ill be the one, that some other niamber of the government will get Ilp later in the evening and say that it se impossible we should enter late hostilities with a view to the regeneration of any part of Italy. (Hear.) The sable lord then tells as that we are not going to war for =lest, sad that should be borne in stied by those who urge on the government to • proissmist war. On Tineedlay the noble lord said "Be it always remembered Mgt we are seeking no object of our own. It seams odd to me that we should go to war for objects of eemetode else's—(" bear, hear, ' and • laugh)—end that whet , peace is concluded we sh all net have senired en ell of nee tindery or sensed any &unsnap who tevsr fir °woolen. Olean hoar.) It is for Turkey and the geeeral 1 system of Europe that we are strugelieg. In tkis war the whole thing always resolves itself into some (mural mystification, and we are sow all of us almost in the dark as to what the ultimate objects of the war are. If any diplomatists on the part of this country, after agree- t isg to such tenet as those proposed to Russia, bad von- lured to show themselves within the door of that house, they would have been met with shouts of indignation. (Hear.) 1 I want to ask the house if they have made up their minds 1 which proposal is the best ? If they have made up their minds which is the best (and I rather think the general 1 opinion is the% that of the goveronsent is the worst), but if 1 they have made up their minds, I ask what is the differ- 1 eon between the two, and if thtre is any difference, whether I it is worth to the country the irremediable calamities which I a protracted war will bring upon us. I am of opinion I that, with the territorial guarantees which are to be given, I either the terms proposed by the noble lord or by Prince I Gortchakeff would place Turkey In as good a position as it is I possible for her to be placed by any power in Europe, I Recollect that these ere not the original propositions ; for I when • proposal was made by the cabinet of Lord Aberdeen, 1 it meant rousetking very like that which Russia has now I proposed. If you look to the protocol and to one of the speeches of Count Buol, it will be found that by the third article it was proposed that the treaty of 1841 was to be re vised. What was the meaningof the revision of the y ? It was intended by that to obtain the same object—that is, a guarantee to the Turk of the right be has claimed ever since he has possessed Constantinople, that be should close the straits against all ships of war excepting in ease of war. When the cabinet of Lord Aberdeen agreed upon terms, the object of them was that the Black Bea straits should be thrown open, or at least that the power of closing them should be relaxed ; and I presume it was not until after it was found that Russia was opposed to them that it was deemed necessary to change the terms, and to insist on them in another form. It so, it ought to make the government and the house very chary of prolonging • war against Russia , sloes, she being willing to accept the proposition as originally made by the government of Francs and England, and which they know to be the best for Turkey— and I believe to be the best for Rumps. If that was so, was the government justified in breaking off negotiations ? That is the issue the house has to geoids. Can you get better terms? If they are sufficient for the protection of Turkey you ought not to ask bones. You may perhaps get better, for I agree with my hen. found (Mr. Cobden) that England and France, it they am prepared to sacrifice thou sands and thousands of men earl millions of treasure, may dismember the Russian empire.. but even then I doubt if. you could get better term► et security both for Turkey teed for Europe. But at what cost do you propose le gain all this ? And, hare I may be permitted essay • word with regard to those right hon. gentlemen who I have lately become the anapests of this bench, and ohms eseduct in this debate hat mused great complaint to be , made, and language to be used which Ido not think is Justified by the circumstances in which they are pines& I presunte that those rigbt.hon. gentlemen know the. objects they base in view install as any gentlemen in tn. house, W. laming serious idw of the remit of the policy of the wee ens at liberty ta.proolaim that they think the terms to shish they were patties were sulkiest, and it that is their ormiletion, no ema has a right to say that because thu were mann» of • cattiest which went to war, they , should be dragged through godless years and great 'uti lities to maintaMn.show et aratisteuev forahich they were to sanitize ewe belies whisk is cherished by an honest man. lists those right hoe, gentlemen gained anything f Have they gained popularity is the country or in this home, or in the press? 1 am ashamed to say anything La de face of these tight hon. gentlemen whoa they are so isolable of vindiening their own cause ; but with the views I hem always bald on the subject of this man no one can be sur prised it I. rejoice that men eminent for their abilities and their outory, and who have ling Wen distingband for their 'neat services to their commie. should have separated throwing from the rashness whisk marks the present ge veromeat, and should be anaiou to deliver their country frc.m the bonus of war. ("•011," and cheers.) Hon. teutlearen bolos do not approve of what I say, and I am wary to say anything wbich. may offend them, many of I whom I reckon among my personal trued.. But hon. !members seem to think of looking beyond the very immediate injects of the war, and that man who loon no further is no friend to hianantry. Jr war the an., under.' teeing win:en:said to whickthe cost is not to be counted ? Yet nave lost 1 an. ..raw to say hcw ma .$ .nousands of men, who a year ago wore dwellin among us as Gins as, interested in all the slain of our social and political state ; ' and in addition to those men, you have lost, I am afraid to say how many millions, but I belie.. 30/100,0001. or 40,000.01:0/. wouid not be beyond the cum white has been, already 'upended. Let the house remember that the four nations engaged in the war have already lost as many men' as if you were to go from Chelsea to Blackwall, and from Highgate and Hampstead to Norwood, and take every man of the fighting age you met and put him to death, and then you would not sacrifice ' a greater number than have been last is the twelve months of this war. Your own troops in the Crimea have endured horrors red sufferings aneh as the great Florentine never Imagined in his Seminal epic. Then, are the @cerement desolation which have been brought on the house sad bearte of oar country to be counted for nothing ? In the last 12 years, too, we bays been undergoing a gradual ream tion by taxation, and there has bees an immense improve ment in the mo ral and intellectual condition of the people. Bus in the last two years we have begun a system of reimpo sition of taxes, and have had recourse to loans, and have the prospect of Uhl more extensive loan., if the war esstinuse. Hon. genUemea may think all this nothing, and say this is taking a low view of the case. But these things are the very foundations of our national g ea, and you may be fol-1 lowing visionary phantoms abroad while you are becoming rotten at home, and in the time of on childrest or grandchildren calamities may come on ear I country and on oar monarchy of which you never now think at all. Evert trade bas diminished inapt that of contractors. By bow much have not the rewards of industry diminished ? The price of food has been raised, and there is a pressure ea all classes ' and espe cially on the poorest of the people, which by-aud-bye, not now, whoa the national feeling is every morning lashed into fury by the newspaper—(" oh, oh!" and cheers)—a dis content will arise which will become serious, and you, who fancy you are following the behests of the national will, will rue Osseouse taken by those who should have been Its leaders. I will not mention the harvest—that is in the hands of Providence, and God grant that it may be as abundant as that of last year. Bat you must remember , that in 1863 we had the worst harvest that had been known', for years, that prices rose to • great height, and although last year we bad the most abundant harvest that has also I been known for years, pries. have not much lowered, and men of sound judgment look forward with alarm to what may be coming on us. I ask the house if there is any statesman who has unlimited confidence. Gentlemen on the other side of the house of course do not place Implicit con fidence in the government, and many gentlemen on this side wish that the affairs of the country were in the hands of men of greater solidity and better Judgment. (Laughter, and " hear.") I will point out one on two cases to justify myself in the opinion which I openly dealers that I have no confidence in the governs ant. Take! the single question of what they are doing with the Empire I of Austria. The noble lord at the head of the government has stated that it is of European importance that Hungary should be connected with Austria, and the noble lord the member for London has said that it is es sential to support Austria in the position she holds as a great conservative power In Europe. Yet the govern ment has for months been urging Austria to enter into the same ruinous course in which they are going. They knot, that if Austria joined Russia en the one hand, or the Wee tern Powers on the other in this war, that great empire I would no longer be a solii conservative power in Europe, that the would be stripped of Italy and Hungary, or, if not stripped of then countries, they would be plumped into such anarchy that the solidity of the Austrian empire would be destroyed. What then can he more unwise aid impolitic than the urging of Austria into a course which every one knows would lead to the dig. replies of her empire and destroy that solidity which you say is essential to the preservation of the balance of power in Europe. We are told that oar other alliance is a delicate topic. But there is a subject still more delicate and impor tant, and that is the future oenditioa of that alliance in regard to this country. We hove one before spent • Olonsend millions to support a French dynasty. At this element there is a French army in Italy, a French army at Gallipoli, a Fronk army ia the Crimea, and the sad of all this has not yet cents. It has ben already slated by speakers in this house, and therefore there exec reason why I should not allude to it, that the Fessektreople are not enthusiastie on the subjeet of this war This alliance, so far as the war is concerned (for I hops that a reel and endurlik'frkeary frifitig is growing up between the two temples); but so far as the war is can-, mod this Mileage depends es One life and memo dyeally, :o ebtathawelh: which may be permanent or may be epliemertifiAl men are looking forward to prolonged warfare they look carefully at the ground on which they are a s Lord Clarendon has end that Europe has been eteedisene a mine, and did not know it. Ido not know that that amg. - - lord is much mere acute than other people, bat I • giy that be by hie blunders will bring Europe to stand a miss much greater and more dangerous than that be het rowed out was laid for it by the colossal power of E • - t ..". Thew ill one point which is to me frightful, and tb is when the noble lord (J. Russell) tells the house that we St ar. Beerldsg not for ourselves, bat for Citrates,. I could i . - b. tie mealy pneeages in speeches; but really the speeches of may- tees on this natation are so various and extraordinary, th at • I wonder that they allow them to appear in Hansard -Su the noble lord said on 17th Feb., that " England and Praise - were finittiag not only for eause of the indepoul e - 4 Turkey, but for that of Germany, and all other Euoteas-s nations." (Hear, bear.) An hon. member Gaye si g - uey bear." What notion can he have of the people of this: Wands, if they are to be celled as to defend the 60 million - of Germany, and that the blood of Englishmen is to be s b ed. sot for England, but the treasures and toe brave-y, am th high spirit and courage of her soldiers, are to be emended. not for ourselves, but are to be squandered to p re NM the integrity of Germany and the civilisation am mouthing eke of all Europe. (Laughter and them) The noble lord takes a better view of things past thee he does of the present ; and, indeed, we Meet of u do that, I The noble lord knows very well that we went to war nary Mall Europe ; but we did so with all Europe with u We are now going to war with only France by oar fide, except the little state of Sardinia, which has been forced eir cejoled-(oh, oh)-into an Milano', and to take a mere • which many in Sardinia will yet live to regret. We are going to war in alliance with France alone; . without Austria j without Prussia, without th at : many, without Italy, without Spain, without Portage". . without Denmark: without Sweden, without Holland, without Belgium none of the countries of Europe tau pert in the war with us, and yet the minister, have, if I were not it, this house I would say the effrontery me • audacity, to say that we are fi ghting fir the liberties M Europe, and that all Europe is united with its. (S ur . hear.) In th e former wars we fought for Spain, bat it wee not until the patriots of Spain called on us to come to their aid ; and I believe the Duke of Wellington said that lilts had known how little aaaistanoe he was to have got from them, be the nations of Europe will not even lend you 'bete men in return for your money ; for, although you an try. log to enlist men in Switzerland and Hamburg, year mega ere looked on with suspicion by the authorities, end 1 hie lieve tome of them have been given into custody. (i , H ear ," and laughter.) Why, then, pretend that all Europe is rityleag u to ed fi g w h it t h th y e ou ba ag ti tos o t f R E n u es m a pe a, .a.ndhetnhseht she stand s n h j a dieing at the folly you are committing ? I ask the noble lord the member for the Colonies -(laughter)-I beg the noble lord's pardon, but really he has occupied BO many po. sitions of late that it is difficult exactly to identify his with one. (Laughter.) I want to appeal to the noble lord him,th e member e n m e :este cams for Lotontdhoenco; conclusion s however t Ih ha bad differ n latest' of his unwary at heart. I have believed him to be incapable of appreciating argument, or that he wee actuated by any but the sincerest political b clings. I will ask the house if there is no other world of kingdoms, ex cept that of Europe,with which the noble lord can entangle this country ? I wish the noble lord would blotW.lliatnlll. out of his mind, and what the right hon. gentleman the member for Bucks has eaLed the Dutch congaed. which se enthralled all the whigs. I wish the noble lord would do that tonight for an hear-for five minable There is • eountry called the United States of Amtriell. It happened that on Tuesday evening last the remarkable circumstance occurred of our having listening to oar dolling two distinguished men who have sacepied the petition of President of the United States-a punkt. which I hesitate not bossy is not less is honour aid dignity than that of any crowned monarch on the aurfece of the globe. The Limited States of America is preohely the country which is sunning a ram with us for paler and greaten,. Its po. Migsat the sent census will exceed that of the United enn. In manufactures and industry we have ao mom formidable rivals to ear great manufacturing in theists. She bee steamers ten ter one of ears; her meg 'aliteent steamships have crowd the Atlantic at a geisha late than asyof oars. The finest vessels that navigate the Australian seas have beee.bult in the United States. Theis fore, in ship-building, indastry, and commerce. she it not only competing with, but excelling, this etweatry. Look ati our position this year, and ampere it with that of the United States. May I surest the at eation of the. House of Commons to. this? I am nee declaiming or, making any ;Arty attack, but I ma treating of what is of vital importeue to the interests of every family in the United Kingdom. This year the Chan teller of the Exchequer has told LIB that he hu to raise 138.100.0001. steelier( for the expenses of carrying on the e• vernmeat and providing for oar military expenditure. The United States has at this moment in her Tummy enough to.pay_off any debt she may have. Take the eepenteed the United Skates, not only of his general gam. meat, Out cA that cf her thirty independent Matra and deduct ie from the 86,000,000. we ere spendisg, aid it will leave 74000,0001 , that we are paying this year Mee than the people of the United States. 01 course I am speak ing of taxation. Most hoe. geatlemea kaow what it is to eta a race weighted. 1 have heard of akorae-I forget drum -which, won every race it ran until it was weighted, end then it test the race, and it ...... tone one . keeieeida It this we true of a hone, it was more true of a Lana; foe when a nation one* goes back it is difficult to recover her oositien ; and if a nation is praised in the race, it is difficult for ato come up again in it, I wish to speak to ton. gentlemen opposite, who were quite as much in tweeted in this question as any of us are - I mean those gentlemen who are in possession of vast, beautiful, and, I hope, uniscumbered, estates-(1SUBMIT)-•• 4in various parts of the country. We are now ten days dis tant from the United States. In a few years wenn% no doubt, have communication by telegraph with that mouthy as quickly as we now have with the Crimea, and I hope for better objects. Theis people is the same as our own, for there are few families in this country which are not con. united in some way with the people of the United States. In these days attachments to home and ma's own coal try are somewhat weakened by the facilities obtainable for travelling to moat parts of the world in a few weeks Dore believe that where the capital of the greatest backlog house in London can be transferred to the United States on a piece of paper no larger than this which I now hold in my hand and by one post, that the imposition of 75,00e,000i. el taxes over that of an equal population in the iJoiteo States, will not have an effect on the transfer of capital thither? Declaring that he had no confidence in the administration generally, Mr. Bright referred to the speeches and aided of the whelps' members of the cabinet in wreaks to show that they did not deserve his confidence individually. He concluded : The noble lord the member for London peculiarly presents himself to my mind's eye at this moment as a statesman in whom I should not place inn plicit coofidenoe. (Hear, hear.) What can be more re markable than the experiences of the noble lord of late times? During his tenure of office in Lord Aberdeen's government, at Bedford, at Greenock, I think, certainly at Bristol-is fact, whenever he could find an opportunity of bringing himself before the public, he did all that lay in him, by his great power of speech, his long experience, and hie eminent character, to stimulate the people of this coun try to a policy which I believe is destructive of the country's interests, and which I think the majority of this house, in their calmer momenta, are disposed to consider not the wisest that might have been pursued. I don't know how the noble lord's conduct maytbe regarded by other,; bat it appears to me most unjustifiable that whilst his thie4 Lord Aberdeen, was honestly endeavouring, as l Nines to bring the negotiations to a peaceful conclusion, the noble lord was endeavouring, on the contrary, to rouse the went passions of the people, and to make statesmanship sad caution valueless in conducting the fureign policy of the nation. Why, the noble lord had finally brought that Ovi duct to a climax. My hon. and 1 d friend the megabit foe Sheffield (Kr. Roebuck) was the little David (geed laughter) who with a sling and stone (renewed laughter)- h, did not even use the weapon that was in his hand, he merely showed it to the noble lord-the sort el whig Goliath of English politic-(laughter)-sad the noble lord went vanquished and howling to the back benches. (Much laughter) I am afraid to trust myself to speak of the conduct of the noble lord ca that occasion. lam afraid we shall have to wait for the advent of the Somerset historian, fee whose coming the noble lord pants-(laughter)-before we can know whetter the noble lord's conduct was dictated by what some people call treachery to his chief, or by that description of moral cowardice which, in any man, is the death of all ties statesmanship. (Hear, hear .) But toe noble lord gave to a string reason is 1862 why we should not have confidence in hie present chief. Does not the house recollect the night when the noble lord made that explanation of the num which had induced him unceremoniously to eject the noble lord the member for Tiverton from his cabinet? (Imaginal He told as that Lord Grey and Lord Melbourne, being m's of great authority and experience, were able in some degree to control his noble friend-(opposition laughter) -but that he himself-I forget his precise weteh but lam c 'erectly giving the substance-he himself, being younger than the noble lord, and not having been to long on the pelttical stage, had found it difficult, if not iseles' sible, to control him (Laughter.) In fact, my lutPree* *l at this moment of what be acid is this, that he described the noble lord the member for Tivertoa as a runaway honk who had got the bit in his teeth, so that there wane hold' lug him. (Laughter.) At that time the noble lord the member for London was captain of the state vessel, end the noble lord the member for Tiverton was mate. Whet b the case now? The noble lord the member for Load , * hue accepted the position of a mate, and in most peli lo4l _, times, in mat tempestuous weather, and with no c har ' before him, he goes to sea to make an apparently inn; minable voyage with the very restless captain whom hel p % described. (Laughter.) Sir, the noble lord (Lord a Russell) has made a defence of hie conduct in the sen ferencea at Vienna. I am willing to give him credit !m es having honestly intended a peace; but I dO think that van; be goes again on such a journey he ought to leave toms .e! his historic allusions behind him. They are what ma y called historic fescue. (Laughter.) Nothing could, to . oe! 1_ mind, be so out of pleat as the compar i son betwee n _(.._ limitation which he proposed to Rosie and the date s' tion of Dunkirk, or between the position of the oln. II Sea a e a n n o d ble the lord ixi c i‘ o l u ° l n d the Fells of Niagara. (Laughter.) If there lied..' Falls of Niagara between the leek Sea and the Pi r . .. terranun wk the case would be somewhat similar; r! UM the 1 Met in tits Black Sea, whether it vests of een t i e ol l y ake se s v o e f r Nboarvoth hAtatoreaLlc: are circuit. no Isereed 'rimed op wpm the Ruth,' Lord BROUO Deumbtrr)—and him uubtli sad lets he wit happy t arn alt = 11. 4 116101 ffiarliSi 1.0.16 I as/ Isaehter) ; fa health and its been so kirdly p would do asythi wen were left it brought to trial. iI I CAME The shove bill a prolonged dire \ IN The LORD I of this bill. 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