The Press. — London, England, 1853-06-18 00:00:00

THE PRESS. I ili l•aw . Commis+r►►xl:a : Was that all? Nlr. HArrEn : It eats lint exa►•tly all. ()HEE l'oNtAlissioNEß : What w•e•re these t•►►urlit iuus i uttditiuu " 'Fa : I 1 Was !ay tillty Ito (ii to). ,mm issioN it : Whitt ►li►l l.ur►l .I . 4.htt ,•iiy '3 ?id 'dill ADJOURNED MEETING OF THE SPECIAL COMMISSION UNDER THE NEW ACT TO INQUIRE INTO THE PRACTICES BY WHICH HER MAJESTY'S MINISTERS OBTAINED THEIR PRESENT SEATS. The Commissioners reassembled yesterday to take the evidence ef the Right Hon. W. Goommorau H.tvrEß, M.P., Secretary of the Treasury. It had been arranged to examine the Right Hon. 4 icntleman last week, but he had been nttaeked by a nervous com plaint. attended by an unusual los:4 of memory. and the inquiry, there 14e, had been postponed. The Right Hon. Gentleman appeared, indeed. very inueli indisposed, and in an almost prostrate condition. Ire leant upon the arm of Captain BERNAL. OSBORNE and Mr. GRENVILLE Briiim.Ev. To the preliminary inquiries of the Chief Commissioner he replied, that he was Secretary of the Treasury ; not the Conserva tive. but the Liberal, Secretary of the Treasury ; that he was not a batter ; and that hr was a Privy Councillor, though he believed he was about as tit to be one as the other. CHIEF CoNIMISsioNEn : I understand, previ►►usly to the division which terminated the Ministry of Lord Derby, you were instructed by Lord .lobo Russell lind his friends to ascertain what were the prospeets of obtaining the support of the various sections for the overthrow of the Goverument? NI r. II AYTER : I hire no distinct recollection of anything that (weaned before the formation of Lord Aberdeen's Government ; but I will not take upon myself to say that what you assert is sub stantially incorrect. irt - Commtssioxun : Will you deny that you were in commmticati4Pu with SOM. Of till' leading Irish members of the Roman Catlinlie party? Mr. II AYTER : I had many loose moven:Minns" at that time with several members of the House of Commons. coml. CommoonosEn : I)id you approach Mr. O'Connell, and after ,ome preliminaries inquire how he and his friends would vote on the impending division on Mr. Di:inteli's budget? Mr. HArrEn : I did make sonic approaches of that character. CHIEF COll NI IMION • I)id Mr. O'Connell reply, that the conduct of himself and his friends in that partirular would depend upon their receiving an assurance from the Whigs that they would not impose an income tax on Ireland ? Mr. litvrca : He replied to that effect. CommissiosEtt : And what did you rejloitt ? HAYTER referred him to a previous deelaration by Sir C. Wood, when Chancellor of the Exchequer, that the I invent ment of Lord John Russell disapproved of the extension of the income tax to Ireland. and I stated that I was personally aware that that opinion was still entortained by the members of the late Administration. Oulu . CommissioNca : Now, sir, you lamsl speak out. The ('mm inissioners desire to know whether Nlr. O'Connell was satisfied by this mere assurance, or whether he made distinct con- ►liti►ni. of i which the support ►►t' himself mid his Neill Oil NVtOtlll Lr ill'eOrtled to till' Whig OppO :it ion? : I endeavoured to dissuade hi 111 from insisting on con ditions, lint he did. nevertheless, n u tty them. Cum' CommisstoN EH : That is to say, however willing to assist you. Mr. O'Connell mould not induce his friends to co-operate with him with o ut distinct conditions ? Mr. II ArrEn : It would seem so. HArrytt : The first was. that hr should be emiroacred at at mooting ot the Irish sectitat to %tat..• that ht. was authorised 11% too to assure theta that. ill the Nit of the I)VelihrOW Li .111 Derby's t itiVel'lllilellt. and the tormatiout of a I.iberal %dittinktration. the income tax sitotild not he extended to Ireland : and secondly. that Lord .101111 Russell or Sir t'llarlea Aluald make It litrinal and tli•llnrt in the r 'arse tof the progressing debate that they disapproved of such fAteiisif in and wtaild never sanction if.. t'lll 'oNlNll%slo \ Eft : yon otaisalt Lord .lul u s ltiistsell nit these : Ile shrugged his shoulders and smiled. and asked me lether I thought it wnuld In. a untoi hedge against the Dur al letter? ommtssiosi:n: .Ind what did you say" A:rt : I said I thought it would have: that tendency .: and that lie could end his speech by ~ .onts,thing about relitiotts SATURDAY, liberty, and denounce the Stockport riots, it would have a very good effect. CHIEF COMMISSIONER: Did Lord John assent to the conditions ? Mr. HAYTER : He said that I might see Sir Charles Wood, and that Sir Charles Wood might say what he liked. CHIEF COMMISSIONER: What then ? Mr. HATTER: I made the necessary arrangements ; I complied with both conditions of Mr. O'Connell; I authorised him to state to his friends that, if Lord John Russell returned to power, the income tax should not be extended to Ireland, and that Sir Charles Wood, on the part of the late Government, should make a declaration to that effect in the debate. On these terms the Liberal Irish members unanimously agreed to vote against the Government of ball Derby ; which a large portion of them previously intended to support. Sir Charles Wood went down to the House and made the promised speech. Lord John Russell at the significant passage cheered him in a marked manner: the Irish members were quite satisfied; they voted against the Government, which without their so voting would have had a large majority ; and Lord Derby resigned. CHIEF COMMISSIONER : And when the new Government was formed I believe the income tax was extended to Ireland ? Mr. HAW ER : It was. CHIEF CommissiosEtt: Did Lord John Russell offer any excuse fur this " anomaly" ? Mr. HAYTER : He said he had only engaged forhimself and Sir Charles Wood, and that he could not undertake to bind Lord Aberdeen and Mr. Gladstone. ClilEl CommisstoNEn : Notwithstanding Lord Aberdeen is Prime Minister, Lord John Russell is, I believe, Leader of the House of Commons ? Mr. HAYTER: He is. CHIEF COMMISSIONER : And Sir Charles Wood is also a member of the Cabinet? Mr. HAYTER : That is so. CHIEF CommtssiosEn : These, then. arc dm means by which one of the sections was induced to vote against a government which otherwise it would SCCIII they al►pmved? Mr. HAYTER : 1 have placed the filets before the Honourable Com• missioners. Sir ItonEaT : Would the Right Honourable Gentleman the Secretary of the Treasury have the extreme kindness to state whether he be aware that persons professing the Roman Ca tholic religion are exempt from keeping faith with those whom they are taught by their Church to look upon as heretics? Mr. HAvtint : I am not aware of the fact, though [have heard of such an opinion ! Sir ROBERT INGI.IS: Might not, then, a true Protestant, like the pre sent Leader of the House of Commons, be of opinion that there are occasions when it may be his duty to God, his Queen, and his countiy, to hold a similar tenet with regard to his dealings with Idolators? Mr. HATTER : 1 c,utnot take upon myself to answer that ; but if the Commissioners wish it I will ask Lord John the question when Igo down to the House—or perhaps the Honourable Baronet will give notice and put it himself ? Sir B. HALL: I beg to call the attention of the Right Honourable Secretary to it paragraph which appeared in On Irish paper, and which was generally reprinted in the metropolitan journals, to the etreet that a very active member of the Irish section was to be elevated to the peerage by the title of Lord Blarney. Wits there any foundation for that statement? Mr. HATTER : No; it was all blarney. Sir 11. : lam glad to hear that. I beg to give notice that, if any Irish member be elevated to the 'peerage in preference to a member for a metropolitan district. I shall prefer articles of impeachment against the Government. Jhe CHIEF Commission:a now said that they would proceed to examine the witness how, on this - great day of the sections," the Radical ploy iu the House had been induced to vote fi► . the overthrow of the late Government ; but Mr. HAvrEn. in a weak voice, begged that his further examination might be postponed. Captain Bttxm. Osman:, however, whispering very fiercely in his ear. gave the Right Honourable O c i i ttemao at good shake, and then, saying -Who's afraid ?' announced that the witness was prepared to proreed. l Cum , CoNtmisstosEn : 1 it true that a large portion of the members of the House of Commons, of Radical opinions. were un willing to assist in the overthrow of the late Government? Mr. IlvvrEn : They entertained a prejudice of that kind. CHIEF Commission:a : Did any promise on your part induce them to forego it" Mr. HAvrEn : They exacted. as a condition of their support, that a large measure of Parliamentary Reform should be introduced by the new Government. Commission:a : And did you promise, and were you authorised to promise, such a measure ? Mr. HAYTI , * : 1 consulted those AVIIO Were elaalletellt to guide 1111(1 instruct me under such circumstances, and I certainly did on their part enter into such am engagement. CHIEF CommissioNEß : Has it been fulfilled? Mr. HAYTER : It has not. CHIEF COMINSIONF.R : Has any indignation been expressed by this Section in consequence ? Mr. IIAYTER : Shortly after the formation of the Government, the declarations of Lord Aberdeen particularly on the subject being considered very unsatisfactory. there was a meeting held of members of extreme Liberal opinions, anti they came to liklEiwspAipti ft [kyr! Er Co: 41.'.vt 1 1 i . . T•\ i'. li wh. i ~. i;f : (,„ 4 0 • ---.!_,•, him 1ic...„., •••••-••i: ••-•\., ow ( . .i. • cr.cia t •.. • •,, %-, -4- - :7-,\.••• Mr. Iftv IA