The Express. — London, England, 1855-05-11 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.-THITEADAY, MAY 10. TM Lost• CKLMOILLOa took kip scat at flys o'clock. THE VIENNA NEGOTIATIONS. Reel GREY gave the following notice for Monday, the 21st lest.: That an humble address be promoted to her Majesty, to thank her Majesty for having ordered the rowels of the recent negotiations at Vienna to be laid before us ; to inform her Majesty that this house deeply de plores the failure of the attempt to pet an end, by theme negotiations, to the calamities of the war in which the country is now engaged ; and to express our opinion that the proposals of Russia were such as is afford a fair prospect of concluding a pease by which all the original objects of the war might have been rased, cad by w►ich her Majesty and her allies might have obtained all the *demitasse which can reasonably be demanded from Russia." (Hear.) Several bills wet. advanced a stage with bat little dis- =I6OM THE SEBASTOPOL COMMITTEE. Leave Wm given for the Earl of Aberdeen and Lord de Eon to attend and he examined Wore the Sebastopol committee. Toe house adjourned at stew minute before tit o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TuoUDAT, MAT 10. The Sriensit took the chair at 4 o'clock. THE NEW YORK AND PARIS EXHIBITIONS. Mr HEADLAM asked the Vice President of the Board of Trade whether any °outspends's., had taken place con- G enies the retinal, duty-free, of articles sent to the Es libition in the United S ates ; and whether he could state what arraegements hod been made with the French go nommen concerning the transmission and return of articles sent to the }lnhibition at Paris. Mr. BOUV ERIE said that with respect to the goods sent to the New York Exhibition, the government and the Board of Trade never undertook soy responsibility. and there h- d been nu correspondence with the Doi ed States government es this subject. With respect to the French Exhibition, the arrangements made were these—the articles to be inhibited were divided into two cloves; these con. noted generally with industry end manufactures, sad those connected with the fine sets. With respect to then connected with industry and manufactores„ the arraegement was, that the exhibitors should deposit their goods at the Iroogate Wharf. in the City of London; the government of this country undertake to convey than from that wharf to the frontier of Fraser, and from theses te the Eshibition bonding in Paris the French government leadirctook Mei:barge; the arrangements for the close of the Ribaudo° were the converse of tome ; the French doveta il's:lS tonight the goods to the frontier, end the English thence to tb. wharf. Wish respect to articles connected with the gee arta, the government of this country under took to convey them from the bosses of the eabibitors to the treatise, and the French government under took the charge from thence to the Exhibition building ; the articles would come back tie same way. He aright state that all articles connected with industry and manufactures in poenl were at the risk of the exhibitor—the government undertook uo risk; but with respect to matters connected with the tine arts, the government undertook the elec, and bad already effected insurances to the amount of 140,0001. the Eabibition was to open on Tuesday neat, and be was happy to say tbet this country was net likely to lose her high pu-eminence in the articles she was in the habit of sending over the whole world. (Hear, hear ) THE CAMP AT ALDERSHOTT. Mr. BELLEW asked when It was intended to send the ttoops int t camp at Aldershott; whether it was the inten tion of the government to leave the troops is wimp at Alder- Mott during nest winter; and whether (if such was not their ii.tentioe) any steps, and if any what, had been takes to provide barrack accommodation foe the militia reg meats now embodied Mr. PEEL was informed that sow militia regiments would arrive at the camp nest week. No resolute ia had yet then come to as regarded the leaving the troops in the camp during the winter; it had been denied that the otitis should not be permanently billetted ; and the Ord awe and Deartermuter.Geoeral's Department were using every exertion to supply the deli nue, of aoominsoditioa by providing huts MR L and hiring houses. AYARD'S MOTION. Lord PALMERSI ON --I understand the hon. member for Aylesbury proposes to bring on his motion on going into committee of supply en Monday night. I should be very sorry to oblige the hones to discus that no lien in each a shape, and shall therefore be quite ready to give way t the hon. gentleman, and allow him to bring on his mr tibt as • substantive nu at the beginning of the evening. For that promo 1 will on Monday move that the orders of the day be postponed till after the hon. gentle mac's motion, provided otter hon. gentlemen having notices ea the raper will also gin way. (Hear, hear.) With that unierstending I undertake to move on Monday that the orders of the day be postponed till after the motion of the boa. member for Aylesbury. I may also illenti 3n that her Majesty's government are SO SISCOUS to forward Ole very important bill of my right hon . friend the President of the Boar) of Health, for " The Local Manigement of thy Metropolis," that we propose to take it to-morruer after the Newspaper Stamp Bill; the Vies- Presid , rat of the Board of Trade, therefore, will not bring forward his bill relating to the law of partnership SO MM.% TILE MILITARY DUEL AT CANTERBURY. la reply re a question tr..o Mr. 0. STANLEY, Mr. PEEL soul, an dlictr acting es behalf of the Ala taut Gee, rat wu at that moment taveatigatiug this water, THE TENANTS' COMPENSATION -IMPROVE MENTS (IRELAND) BILL. Lvrd C. HAMILTON would be glad to hear from the ►an. and learned member for the county of Kilkenny (Kr. Silken; Sbee) whether hi meant to accept the offer of her 11laiesty's gnvernorint to take charge of this bill, and if .o, whether he would accept it on the terms which the govern ment prepare.: ? Mr Serjeant 81:1E11 begged to say, in reply to the noble lord's 8r t question, that it was his intention thankfully to swept the effer made to him by the government to take charge tf his bill. At present, he did not exactly know what the teems of the uff•r were. (Laughter.) Mr. HORSIIAN said he was prepared immediately to issert to the votes the anten.lments which he should propose on betel' of the government, en accordance with what he had oil the other evening. THE VIENNA NEGOTIATIONS. THE NEWSPAPER STAMP BILL. In reply to a gaieties ham Mr. Dvia&Au. Lord PALMERSTON said it wall WI wish of the govern ment that the business of the following (this) evening should communes with the adjourned debate oa this ►ill relating newspaper sumps, and that the fineasal measure should M tak*; ;eat. THE INDIAN ARMY. Sir E. PERRY rose to mews, is pommies of aotkm, for a whet committee to consider sad inquire bow the army of India may be made most available for t►e war is Burope, and to inquire into the steps necessary to be taken if it should be deemed expedient to ormatitate the army of the East India Company a royal army. He said he had now to bring forward a motion which had stood on the paper for same weeks, and which the noble lord at the head of the government had thought of sufficient public interest to warrant his allowing him to bring it on in yaw Grease to the government orders. As the media had bees in some degree changed in Its terms, he thought it desirable that he should state, before be pro ceeded to speak of its merit., what the modes actually was. His object being :essentially inquiry, he had asked several members of the house what they considered the beet method of obtsioiag an impartial inquiry into the facts of the cue, and he found them unanimously of opinion, that for that purpose there was nothing to be compared to the appoint ment of a select committee. He was also informed that his subject. being a military one, it would conduce to his sauna to ask for a royal commission. He framed his emotion in moordence with that view; but when he came down to the house on the evening on which the subject was fixed for dientsein, he found that her Majesty's government were about to oppose hie motion, on the ground that what be asked for was a royal chimiesion, and not the more constitutional tribunal of a selkat, committee of that house. Accordingly he re-changed the 'lotion to its original state, and he was confirmed in his opinion that that was the beet course, by the fact that the hon. stai gallant member fee Westminster, who would second his 1116 n that evening, considered that the royal commission whisk had sat upon the army had proved utterly inadequate to the purposes is view. He ought perhaps to apologise to the house for introducing a subject which might perhaps in many respects have been more adequately treated by a military man ; but his excuse for doing se was that in India he had had opportunities of becoming practically ac quainted with the civil and military organisation o f the country. He assured the house that he bad no other object than that of developing the resources of the empire and strengthening the relations between England and India. He regarded the subject as one which was at the present time peculiarly fit for inquiry. Even the answers which they had heard that night to the questions put by the hon. member for Manchester, confirmed him in the impression that it became them all to braes up their minds for &struggle from which it was impossible for them to with draw without disgrace. If this war was to let—and that it would lest was a possibility which everybody was untemplating—he affirmed boldly that they must look to the Indian army fee reinforcements. It was obvious that India was a country which Mid great military resources ; and unless the difficulties which presented themselves were inoperable, they ought to be employed in an emergency like the present. If the house would allow him, he would enter into tome details se to the strength of the Indian army, and as to its organisation and efficiency; and he could assure the house that sueh details were by no means within the reach of superficial inquirers. Even now, al though he had given his best attention to the subject for many weeks past, he was not in a petition to give an accu rate statement as to the total military force of India. The lets Sir Charles Napier, soon after accepting the post of Commander-in-Chief in India, endeavoured to ascertain what was the amount of the fordo placed under his com mand, and he (Sir li. Perry) heard hint state that, after having summed up the force to the amount of 400,000 men, he found that there were still troops to he enumerated, and gave up the task in despair. Daring the last few weeks be had moved for a return with the view of obtaining accurate information; but that return did not supply all the fasts which he desired to lay before the house. He bad gone, therefore, to parliamentary returns which contained in forms, ion here and there on this sabjeet, and he would now give as complete a statement as he could as to what the military force at the disposal of the But India Comma, 'tally was. Taking the last return, which was laid Wm, the committee on lodise affairs in 1853, be found that the Indian army, including the Queen's troops in the pay of the East Indian Company, amounted to 289,529 men. This force included about 30,000 European in the service of the Queen, end 20,000 in the service of the East India Company. The contingents supplied by native princes raised the total to 349,000 men ; and including 35 battalions of militia, and other forces, the result at which he arrived was, that there were altogether 457,000 men, and 12,000 officer., who were maintained at an expense of 20,596,0001. Thi. extr eded the number and expense of the French army la 1852. In that year the army of France numbered 377.000 men, and 19,604 oftizers, who were maintained at an aspens, of 12,340,0101. ; so that the number of the Indian may at that time exceeded that of the French army by !Dearly 100,000 men, while the excess aeon was 8,000,0001. It was well known that the army in India was divided into three distinct arms, each arm having a separate commander in-chief, and a separate staff. The commander-in-chief of the Company's army was also commander in-chief of her Illejesty's regiments in India. He begged the attention of the house to the remark which be was about to make, as it would show what was the fundamental principle of the emernment of India. This large army was placed en tirely under the control of the civil power ; the Governor- General was supreme over it; all its movements rested exclusively with him; and, as the late Sir Charles Napier forcibly ob d, the Commander-in-Chief in India was nothing more than a monstrous adjutant general. The house would observe here an embodiment of the principle which distinguished the governments of modern from thou of ancient times—the principle, namely, that the army should be subservient to the civil authority is the state. He had now to touch upon the efficiency of the army which he had described; and in order to guard himself against the presumption of attempting to speak on a military topic like that, he trusted the house would allow him to read some sheet extracts which he had culled from parliamentary documeats, and at the tame tints to state that he had been careful to select the opinions only of men connected with her Majesty': ureic*. The first extract which he should read was from a speech delive,ed in 1813 by the Marquis Wellesley in the House of Lords:—" The army in India rested too much oa the footing of profit, without reference to honours at home. An army more full than the army in India, of honour, loyalty, and valour, he had never seen, and he could not have conceived that it would under any authority hay become otherwise. . . . But it did happen, somehow or other, that the officers of the army in India were not held forward to public view as much as other officers in other parts of the world, and they felt that honour and disticctions were conferred for services not more merito rious or important than their own, which were &obi to them." And, a little later, he said :—" He had had peat opportunities of trying them (the Indian army) maim great difficulties and privations, at a distaste@ hemillesir homes and families, and yet their zeal and an tamer abated. In the wars of Mysore and Egypt, the native troops did not hesitate to embark in ships, although that was contrary to their usage" and prejudices; and the reason that they so cordially consented to embark was from teeing that there was no compulsion." He would now cite the opinion of that gallant officer to 4 whom he had already referred—the late Sir C. Napier. He ought to observe that that gallant officer went out to India with the strongest prejudice against the But India Com , paay and everything connected with it, and unfortunately be committed himself to print I but, after having served in several campaigns with the Indian army, and gained for I himself immortal honour by the victories obtained while he was at their head, this was the opinion which he gave:— " My opinion of the army generally is, that it is a very i Sue army. The 'adieu artillery I really think is the meet i 'feeder artillery in the world. Its practice is admirable. , I have seen a good deal of it. The Royal Artillery may be i stoerior as a anent fie corps ; but as a practical corps in the field. is erasing mountains, jungles, rivers, and in every- , thing that artillery can be called upon to do in the field, , I never saw anything better than the Indian Artillery." , Lord Gough said on the same subj ect :—" I think the Indian army is neuly perfect. . . There cannot be an army i more loyal, better disposed, or more ready to do their duty. It is quite impossible to have a more brilliant set , ei officers, or a finer body of men than the Artillery of , ]angel. . . . I must say of the natives, as well as the Inropeans, that a more devoted sat of men cannot be found." I Theo, with regard to the Bombay army, hie gallant friend lir Willoughby Cotton had often said to him subetan tinily in Print* what he thus expressed before mint- mittee : " I do not conceive that there is a mere effective I army, certainly not in India, and I think I may say aot anywhere, than the Bombay army; they will go unlike's; , they never make an objection to embark to any place; wherever you may require a contingent .c-morrow, you can mead whatever number of them you please. If they are • alone they fight well, but if they are mixed with European troop., I think they are fully equal to any in the world." I Again. his gallant colleague (84 G. Berkeley), on being questioned as to what be thought of the Madras army, 'said he thought item good indeed. What was the cipher's' of Lord Gough with regard to the medical staff of the Indian army ? His lordship said : " It was my fortune to serve de-in the whole almost of the Peninsular war, end I have served through several cum:olives in India, but in the Panjaub campaign I do not think that at any one period there was a wounded men without his dooley (litter). nor wanting any comfort it was possible to give him." Then, again, in reference to the commissariat, Lord Gough bore this important testimony. H. said that "during the Mak ratta campaigo sod the Sutlej campsites. the army under my command was never one day without its regular provisions.' He was quite ready to admit that at length an effort in the right direction bad been made by the organiestios of a land tramper. oorpe, under the command of a most gallant soldier—us who would, no doubt, justify the high repute time which he had theretofore obtained. There was also an attempt about to bo made—be trusted that it would be v, emosessfol esse—to aim a Turkish contingent, and to office r MikaeelWn. Certainly, if due diseriminati on lisms in this matter, the service* of nos who hg wished thenssilves in every field is India for the bat twenty yeses might have b ee p assonsed. Bat, by Cs infelicity of t..a steps w helk bap Majesty's governmeot had takes, they had. gam I M rep themselves of the ureic** of the s .ea *bow gem woad have pointed out as the moat ardetept, Ha , gdgl sus without the intention of coatis, ' an y di sparage -I, mina upset the-Abort who had bee. mgema to ea w spa& the wok* of organists, sad aom,mengspe they as. Pages*. Bat and tin grist :stemma at stake de. Mr BRIGHT said be wished to oak the noble lord at the head of the government a question, arising out of the pro tocols wh;ch had been laid upon the table of the house. He observed that in the last protocol there was a passage which g eve the opinion of the Austrian government with regard to the Russian proposition for pesos. The Austrian taleicer stated that the proposition seemed to him to admit of a pea...fatal applieation, that it admitted, at all events, of diseussien, and contained the elements out of which Austria would en.leavour to offer something which might lead to a settlement of the question now at issue. He wished to ask the note) lord whether the Austrian government had sub mitted any proposition since the 26th of April, which was the date elate last protocol, and whether be would be able to lay that proposition before the house as distinctly as the other repositions were now before the house? He should like also to ask whether any other proposition—sad there was a strong rumour of one baring come from Paris—had been retched ; and further, if they were to understand that the negotiations were 'loftily closed ? He said this, became he should netlike to bring forward any motion relative to the aegniations if he thought they were not absolutely ter minated. (Hear, hear.) Lard PALMERSTON said there had been no formal or written proposal male by the Austrian government since the period to whit: the hen. gentleman alluded. Verbal communications had pasted between the representa- :lives of the Austrian govornment and those of the English and Feria-11 governments, and also between the representa tive, cf the french and English governments; but he was sure the hon. gentleman ',meld feel that, considering the state in which the relations between the three governments were, it wou!d not be for the public interest to give a de tailed espl►oation with reward to them. With respect to the gae•tion whether tb.: tegotistions were entirely broken off, bit soccer wee similar to that which he gave the other evening—that the elements of a conference existed at Vienna —that there was there a Br.tieh representative, a French representative, a representative of Turkey, a representative of Austria, and a representative of Russia; and that if there fore, at any time, any ursposition wee gar.di, either by Russia directly, or by Austria on the part of Russia, which appeared to eflir a fair prospect of the resumption of nego tiations leading to a successful issue, there were the means and elements fur resuming them. Kr BRIGHT wished to know whether the house was to undentaed that the tastier wm to sash a muddies that , say motile with regard t t those atirotiations, and t►e (vilest discs sine of them, wosiii not be opposed by the geverameet as prii silica' to the public service. Lord PALMERSTON said, of coarse the boa. seatleauus mast 13.1 t hie own dieere:init os that satdiet. If his (Lord Palmerston's) opinion errs asked, be should es, t►at:he Aid not think say public actvastago would BTU*, sad ►a could imagism that eertaiu immensities might resat, hem thu govenraeat bele% compelled la the yeses' state of thiaire to eater isle e deiei:ed dimwits urea whet had passed. epos proposals made sad; greposals *bleated to, sate bestiag, is shod, the whole geld ed dimwits ociasseted with toe relatioas between this mashy sad the other istma tries demented la the turiseetione. Agreed to. Lord J. RIISEELL (des SOON that es Thursday seat ha should istrodase, ott behalf of her Majesty's govendoest, two hilts relating to the essethstlom of t►e Australia* eoloater. Os tat molds of Lord PAIXIMION. 'event orders of the day were Men peatimsed. THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, MAY 11, 1855. -- ---- i....J anaw " ..r • line wal e s lll6°llBl tod • h th • they smallest the change then proposed, on the ground sanded that be should state that noses os _...„, mat if their stray were isomers with • Queen's of that minas* wid th the nouns isnia.ndod' — " aa r.... he wand isat all prestige and patronage, and become Cypher,. amuse Mows Stadion story. What was the, mit n ' -- d these Thee deflated the bill, hut in 1833 the question was :Rein rellWwed to ilea wise Came "an mot atec'ell . - . - , a k rand banes • committee, and the then Secretary to Om Minn 1' • When hes month:lan the Isaias of Genet ni ii ass- Beard et Control circulated • number of queries to Indian Great, ho mandond the name of on who—if pa•o_". it icedhings as to the expedients. of the charge. A vast body of tag t and the rules of porn did not Fou'f"a,' avidosoo was collected, which would be found in the report. be the man to fill at the present ••-- . 1 1e admitted that then were but few great aames to be =al Minister of War ; one who was versed in the t ad amongst the witnesses, except Sir J. Malcolm, Of military matters, and who was capable of tithing ots his views were identical with thou which the 1111111181 1 1 411 the a ff airs of our ernes at th• present nu , 11. , B. ran. . y) advocated. Mr. Elphinstone Jaaelliga. Yet this geatlesnas was unemployed. Then was ' be ( else Hodgman, of whom Sir C. Napier had spoken di 4:IS , m t ,4 of the project, but his authority was not so great as s th iP at of faie J. Malcolm. He now come down•to the - last • atm and, pn g P trang srlism e e i n p o ta u " gh, c° in that committee this o great question was la ebe „ tel l :t i c b . * ses There ws u w k ly . : l , s o governmentß l er Ob bed d i i e a r al . t• item that eat I ndianil • reale te peerreadri to take • subordinate comniud. Now, mooted, end or that Teash e had no recent de aridness w nth he mold avail himself. Ha admitted aiwompleyseat a men of that kind was a national not so much as h _ t ealsmity Is essmodaining that no um had been ma of the inns y, it was essenti I that he should that th em were same difficulties surrouadiag the question, pont out what me might have been lade of it, and those difficulties divided themselves into two classes— After much attention to the subject, and gassy commuei• diffieultim of principle and difficulties of detail. Tn. satins with military men upon the sohjeot, he had diffieeltlee of detail he would pass over, as being better eel the slightest doubt that under proper t adapted for disunion in committee op.staire, hut there • European force of from 20,000 to 21,000 men, terming • were two or three difficulties of principle which must be complea, corp s d'arsseo, might be despat hed from India to settled by the legislature. The fact was the objection raised the Crimes. He was also informed by many of the highest by Lord Grenville was, that if the Queen's army were to be authorities, that it was possible that a lava- army might be the only army serving in India, it would be necessary to make despatched through the valley of the Euphrates. so as to the government of In .: ta • royal government. lie diu not form • junction with troops in Georgia. No one could have shrink from that proposition, nor from expressing his studied Indian history without knowing that a body of opinion that such a change would he highly betencial to 26,000 cavalry would he of the most essential service in such India. The legislature bad not however thought right to a oampalien as that la which we were now elegised. The adopt that course, but for seventy years had been Warfare in the Crimea Will in some of its phases not unlike gradually taking away from the company every vestige of Oa Indian war. There were the same difficulties power, and leaving them at last without any function wOlO - transport—the same diflioulties of provisioning. He ever. But the question had already been tested, for we had Mir B. Perry) had known cases in India is which men at this moment in India 30,000 Queen's troops acting ureter bad tarried with them provisions sufficient for ten days. the control of the civil servants of the company. Therefore inn ea army from India would be moat %send in the if the government stile preserved this phantom of • c on pleinglat state of things in the Crimea. It was too late to pony, the latter would undo the control of the army of the Oda Manta • thing for the present campaign, as the rainy crown. Lord Cornwallis had considered the difficulty, and hams Mil set ie. But, in time for the next campaign, men bad provided for it by suggesting that all despatches eldniktlM despatched from the different ports of India to • should pus through the B ard of Control, and inesaiont plan of rendezvous, whence they might proceed that the Horse Guards should have no him; what to the seat of war. That such a plan was perfectly feasible ever to do with the administration of the army in India. was proved by the fact of two regiments hiving already But there was a mid more serious difficulty. The lotion found their way from India. He (Sir B. Perry) bad a doubt service was apprehensive that if the armies were fused, par that it would be said by those who entertained a different liementary and aristocratic influesce would algulate the view from himself, that it was very easy fur him to promotion, and that those officers who had not high friends get up in his plus and state vague generalities, in England, would be passed over for those who bad. lie sod he could not bet admit that the very nature of the sub- could assure the house that if he believed it likely that such Int obliged him to he somewhat geseral. It would also, he would be the cam, he would not support the proposition for united not, be said that it would not Is, sale to denude a moment. He did not fear the erection of any new India et English troops. It was well known that objection abuse in the distribution of patronage. It was not Mind been made by Lord Dalhousie to the withdrawal of a easy to eradicate old ones, but we were at that task desk man excepting cavalry regiment,. The opinion which at present, and, under each circumstances, to esta• Lord Dalhousie had upon this question might or might not blish any new abuses, would be a task of such enormous be correct—he (Sir R. Perry) had no means of ascertaining 0 Scotty that no minister of the crown would attempt it. Ole fact. But supposing it to • a correct view tithe matter, But they had in India the principle established which par. the plan which he would suggest was this, that. the freshly hasent had diecivered to be the true o e—namely a mixed raised regiments should be sent tot to India to replace those system of seniority and selection. He admitted that in withdrawn for service in the Crimea. This, as it seemed to ludia the system of seniority had been carried too far, but hios,would be far better than thosystem which now pavailedot recently selection had been added with the best possible sending out raw recruit', most of whom were mere b is, effects. Soto bang the cue, he believed that the fears to almost certain death, from unaccustomed hardships. which were eaten eined in some quarters against his project There was another objection which might be lured, as., were perfectly chinserioaL lie had a body of evidence to the difficulty of settling in a mixed cups d'arnife the relit• show the mixed system es it was carried on in the tions of the officers amongst themselves. It had bees thought French navy, furnished to his by Admiral de Cha• by some hon. members and out of doors, that • Isle order bannes, and in this country it had be en made most had put an end to all difficulty on this quest.oo. He available in providing captains for the Baltic fleet. A third thought, however, that such was not the effect of that difficulty was one which bad been put to him by some mill memorandum. It would be in the recollection of some hon. tary men—namely, how would it be p nsible to amalgamate members that he had a few evenings since taking !ha ripper- the company's army with the Queen's, while purchase WV. Unity of putting a question to the President of the B .ard the spat. mof promotion in the one, and seniority in the of Coated upon this matter. From the answer of the right other. The obvious answer to this was, that the two @ya hoo. gentleman he had inferred that the memorandum in tents existed in the Queen's service—seniority and pur question, emanating from her Majesty, meant nothing more chase; but there was another answer, and that was, that if than upon its face it purported to mean, and that its °sly the war continued, purchase would completely disappear. effect, therefore, wog to give to Indian officers an Any one who studied the Gazette for the last few honorary distinction all over that rank which they bore in weeks would see that, as a military fact, the India. This was the whole and sole effect of that memo- system of purchase had already disappeared. One word random. It was plain, therefore, that no 'amity to c em- as to the comparative effects of the two systems. He had mud, except in Indite, was conferred upon Indian officer, read carefully all the authorities in favour of promotion be and hence, if those officers were employed with Queen's purchase, and be found them all to have one basis, namely, troops, they might he told, as in the time of Abercromby, that inch • system permitted the advancement of young that they had no right to give orders. Even if the reading men to positions of command ; but the Royal Commissii n which he put upon this memorandum were incorrect, still it declared that for this purpose the system of purchase had fall far short of what the exigencies of the times and of the failed, seeing that the average age of major-generals in the service demanded. The British army tt this moment Queen's service was 65 years. In India, where the much coosisted of about 460,000 men, with upwards of 10,000 dreaded seniority system prevailed, the average was officers. The state required that this large army should be only 62. These, however, were questions of detail made as efficient as any army in the world. Oor officers, He thought he had shown the house that these were facts whether Queen's or Company's, were, es • body and upon which it was very desirable should be investigated by an the whole, superior to then of any other nation. But in impartial tribunal. Papers bad bees showered upon them some things these officers were not to be compared with from bath services, much information would be elicited, and those of foreign meiotic He required in :his branch of the besides, the inquiry he proposed would be, perfectly pulls. service, as an administrative reformer required in other mentary. Ile irk that he bad left many topics, but they benches, that the best men should be found to fill the would afford a wide field for the speakers who were to hal highest posts. At the present moment there were several low him, but if they should be advocates for the East India important military questions waiting for settlement. There Company, he begged them to remember that during the were the questions of promotion, of recruiting, of military last 70 years, whenever a project inimical to the interests of notation, of training, and f pay. All of these re- the company was brought forward, the most plausible and gaited the greatest consideration from military and ingenious arguments were used to deter the house, and that professional persona Any measures which might be wh parliament, in its wisdom, slighted these predic. takes with refereace to these matters could only be satia lions, subsequent exp erience was sure to prove them ketory if the whole army were dealt with; and i• fact, to have been perfectly valueless. He ventured to predict anordiog to the opinion of the best military authorities that, if the how.e granted:him this committee, such evidence 3:46,1he matter, no satisfactory reformation could be would be offered as would enable parliament to add another in these matters, unless a complete amalgamation to their important measures for toe amelioration of India. auk Oboe of the Queen's and Company's services. It was (Cheers.) The hon. member concluded by moving the re aft only in a B • ' h point of view that this change was solution. important —it was no less required for the benefit of India. Sir J. FiTzGEKALD, Colonel Durso, and Sir J. W. He had no hesitation in affirming that in India the military /loon, opposed the motion, the last-named gentleman in a sad civil forces did ant —to use a F....4s evorewion— speech of coneid rahle length. " function" well ;in order to this it was necessary that N I DE D. Eva1 . 4 ,..,..a.. „..,,,,,, 8 ,,, m ..„,,.. a ... I the army in India should be a royal army, under the modest one, and not likely to produce such alarming con antral, as at present, of the supreme government of look'. sequences as the hon. and learned gentleman the member There yes also another important question upon which he fur Banton seemed to think. He believed that it was ea felt it his duty to touch, although it was • delicate one, for meanly inconvenient nod injurious to the public terries he had known much good arise from the mention of such that able, eminent, and distinguished officers should not be things in parliament. He affirmed that there was some- liable to be employed everywhere where their cervices were thing unsafe to the mode in which our military force in required ; and as he thought you could not have too nasty India was constituted. A large number of officers were at I'4o officers available for the service of the government, he oststation,, far from the control of public opinion. Nor should give his hearty support to the motion. was this all; we had had mutinies in the army itelt—a spirit Mr. V. SMITH slid that as the office he occupied had of disaffection bad prevailed for years. It was the part of • boon so pointedly alluded to by his hon. friend who brought wise statesman net to shrink from grave facts like these, fosward this 'nation and other gentlemen, as if it was ea bat to look them fairly in the face, and, if possible, tirely resocusible for the combination of the East Indian devise a remedy by which they might be met. He and the Queen's armies, although that subject was more believed that tithe Indian ermy were • royal army much of connected with the department of the Secretary for War, this disaffection would disappear in the ahegiance and he trasted he should receive the indulgence of the home loyalty which were natural to the position of royal troops. while he made a few observations. He was not much urged Hon. members wou.d see that he had no desire to esti' the thereto by the manner in which the motion had been sr Company's army at the expense of the ()area's. Indeed sired. Indeed, his hon. and learned friend himself seemed he believed that, as • whole, the latter would be entitled to rather to shrink from his own motion, and the hon. and rank higher than the former. He needed only nnme Law- gallant gentleman, although he seconded it, said that he did rens, Clive, Wellesley, Lord Lake, and let, but not least, not 14ok so much to the result of the motion, as to his wish Napier, to prove this position. There were no names in to show that he was still favourable to propositions which he the Indian army to vie with those which he had just men- h a d f ormer l y ma d e w it h regar d to the employment of Indian tinned. Indeed, to make the ladian what the royal force officers. But it was to the result of the motion that the was, it should be bound u closely as possible to the mother holies must look. If he rose for the purpose of showing that country. He would say, bind the Indian army as closely to such • committee was an improper tribunal to which to ' sis as might be, and, following the example which the refer such questions as were proposed, he felt great dint- French in Algeria had set us with regard to their army, cult, in doing so, from the danger there might be of his make it gradually as national in its character as possible. uttering anything which might be thought offensive either 8a far he ha I traced the benefits of the proposed change as to the Indian or the Queen's army. The real question was regarded the state : he would now consider it in relation to whether the subject in question was one which ought to be the soldier himself. Viewiug the matter in this light, he submitted to a committee of the House of Common,. He desietat that the proposed °hinge would be advantageous entreated the house not to be led away by the natural bilk MI the Queen's and the Company's men. The Queen's anxiety which everyone must feel during a state of warfare, Seem would have opened to them not only those staff ap- to look to every means and chance of obtaining success ; and piatisents which were so numerous in India, but also he hoped that the hones would not be influenced by such an several civil and political posts, which were row, from the anxiety to pledge themselves to any scheme, which, for exigencies of Indian service, often filled by military men. aught they knew, might be such as rather to endanger and The officers of the Company would also be benefited. They militate against success than to promote it. Still it was no wruld have the advantage of en increased field of doubt the duty of the house to see that assistance was Military exertion, as well as the prospect of higher military brought from India or any where else from whence assist reward than they could at present Gilgit. In addition to arose could be obtained. That had been done to a certain this they would have the honour of serving the Queen—an extent, and the late government had brought home officers honour which, as everyone knew, had great influent, with who had distinguished themselves at the Cape of Good Hope military men. He could sot help thinking that it was pee- for service in the Crimean expedition ; and be could see no Actly ridiculous that the great advantage which would arise reason why the services of Indian officers might not be made nom this tact alone should be lost to the state The available for the same purpose. He agreed with the hon. hon. gentleman here read a letter from Brigadier General and gallant gentleman (Sir De L. Evans) that Indian Mayne, and another from a native gentleman, who officers should be appointed to commands in India, had acted as interpreter to Sir W. Gomm and Sir and the honourable gentleman (Sir J. Hogg) said that i Charles Napier, in confirmation of his views. There on that pint he had received a favourable reply was • question closely connected with this subject to from the late Pestilent of the Board of Control ; and he which he would content himself with briefly adverting. It could assure the hon. gentleman that if he applied to him was this, whether the amalgamation of the royal and (Mr. V. Smith) he should receive an equally favourable ladies armies should be complete, or whether the Indian and courteous answer. Bat he would not say that Indian army should be a distinct portion tithe forces of the empire. officers should be so appointed of nouns, if at the same The latter was the view of Lord Grenville. Of courts this time there were Queen's officers eqsally distinguished, was a rpseatioa for the consideration of military men; bulbs who might be entitled to such commands. The role should thought that there was this objection to the plan of Lord be the appointment of the best man, whether he was an Greaville—it would tend to make the Indian army a mere Indian or • Queen's officer. (Hsu hear.) But there was local body, and thus render it a species of militia. Such a one thing that must not be negle c ted. It must not be state of t hings would, he thought, degrade the dignity and supposed, that because we were engased in an ex lower the efficiency of the ladian troops. Of course, if the pedition to the Crimea, that we could neglect all plan which he then advocated were approved by that boon, other parts of the empire, and especially our Indian it would require to be gradually introduced, and the changes empire. We were at war with Russia, and we had men it should be made with consideration and care. He did not stated in speeches and pamphlet/idealists the last half century wish to disguise from the house that the principle of the that we ought to beware of Russian aggression in India. He plan which he had ventured to bring forward was no new thoug h t t h at t h ere were many difficulties in the way of such I thing. It bad been brought forward by Lord Grenville in a thin*, and that the passage of an army through the Seri -1813, in one of the most effective state.theata whi ch .„ had ever tcry of hostile tribes and the difficulties of providing atom hum made within the mall of par li ament . ma ny of t he miseariat rendered the notion of a Russian invasion of India ebanges foretold in that sprach have since come to pus as somewhat chimerical. But he could not say, that if you stunt facts. Amongst other matters, Lord Grenville went stripped India of her army and denuded her of her bat fully into the question of the amalgamation of the Indian dicer., that on might not be holding out an in army with that of the Queen, and gave it as his opinion ducoment to Russian aggression. That matter ought, th a t stick an amalgamation ought to take place. But there therefore, not to be left out of consideration. He was another authority yet stronger upon the point. Lord so ld assure th e h o n. and learned gentleman and the house Grenville was not a military man, and had never been in that be bad no prejudices on this question, and if he had India. But he (Sir E. Perry) would seat cite the any they would be rather in favour of Indian officers, who opinion of • man who had been in India, and who was were i n a manne r confined with his department and with thOgrainted with military affairs. Lora Cornwallis, on many of his „ mo w associations. Re agreed that II I ill. ~_ _ _ _ , 7011 , 1 ", to England round tha _,S a l m .,_ M 1794 , a FF li ad during • time of war it was desirable ant aecessary to lay mum"•" ( w lama" to " e "‘"aera" o f the °°°- sails many points of routine and etiquette, which might be Mitution of the Indian tinny, and to the best lards of making it available fur the purposes of the suite. It all very well in time of paw; and that we had nothing - to do but to select the fittest men for the came to the knowledge of the Board of Control that Lord h seue rri°°' It wan „a y onthat groun d t h at he Cornwallis had considered the saute; and, upon i we so._ could consent to argue this question. and he would not go Me arrival in England, Sir G. Du wrote Dudes bin, to know whet were the details of his plan. opinion Hpes that Lord Coen walla nomad a mostelaborate scheme, the same time eanmosin g his that no scheme could bapersamentlO useital unless, ass preliminary measure, it was not in the power of the government to employ ladies llpatbatlordCorawlliapropaesd•matekbonusobeme, officers of the Indian army, and that that could only he at decided by the Governor General. The hon. and learned I gentleman had brought forward his motion in a speech full the whcla of our fora 'al India wen ttaasy4"ed to the roy a l of interest, and containing much information which might service, to be oondartod for the future on the ninonLin: which regulated the. royal army. the Cognarallee said, it was to be dearly nndentood that all his Majesty's troops Lenin in ladle were to be perfectly sub ordinate to the , arempany's goverment, and to resin their an d orders through the court of directors. To carry cm this not be familiar to many members of the house, and he At from the necessity of going over the use ground. B u t there were two great gaieties. to be Considered. The flrat, • very large question it was, was the mialgatnatioa of the two armies. The other was OM of &m -oue" ei authorities , h° show how "' Um "' u p hi the really inferior importance, but one to whisk much meant time load dealt with the mutation, he would read the op i ii i inn wid th b a d u s% g ives A m . IT N. iyritatio• was owing, bat width he hoped was la of I . ( gm Lord o ranv di o ma d e bi a grea t mwah ea being put as end to. The hon. and leaned saaticmaa led hardly dealt saffitiently with the difficulty M the weeps the subject, end the company promoted an shit Wain hardly ~,,i • tie hoi ma tte b a d b ass "pa as H 0 plOOlift nor II •SG r it was entirely one-sided, and that wee the greatest danger of all. In the event of the amalgamation el the armies there must be a reciprocity in the employment of the officers; bat you eoold not pat English officers into sepoy regiments or the irregolur cavalry, for which they were un fitted from want of knowledge of the natives. 'I he h; n. gentleman (Sir J. Hogg) b►d quoted the °pi ston of Mr. Macaulay with regard to the character of the espoy and the sepoy regiments; but the danger of employio3 such offic rs as ire had alinded to with the native troops was cot an imaginary one. A remarkable cue cc curred in the yr.ar 1818, when an officer of Dragoon', Major Dunce, a man of capacity, command of temper, an Oriental scholar, and acquaigted with the natives and their habits, wee entrusted with the commend of a native corps; and his 2 - be exprtgg, TO CORRESPONDENTS. Avertisements intended for Expre,s,”l,,,,,k, must be at the Mos, 10, Bouveneatreet, by Two o' --0 C q iw day of publication. slam HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE Tan MY—Morning, Mi. 5im...... Afternoon, 61. TO-KOZZOW —orrusg, lid 10m ... Afternoon, !In, . was the only instance in which an officer was cut to pieces by his own men in trying to control a mutiny. They would have to consider in connexion with the subject now presented to the house the unequal discipline of the two armies, the different modes of enlistment, and various ether mitten, which he had no hesitation in saying would render the question of amalgamation a question of imprac ticability. He was surprised to hear the hon. gentleman the member for irevonport quote from Lord Grenville in support of his views. He (Mr. V. Smith) had referred to that re markable speech, and found that the hon. gentleman had made • mistake in the interpretation he had pot upon his r. marks. Speaking on the 9th of April the noble lord acid : " To blend, indeed, as has sometimes been recommended, into one indiscriminate mass the general army of the crown and the local force of India, would be the inevitable ruin ea the 'intim. I have no doubt of The military patronage (tithe crown, greedy so great, would then ex. cet d all bounds ; we should lose the inestimable advantages of local education, knowledge, and habit*, so necessary for the command of native troops; and the unjust partialities, preferences, and supercessions to which the distant service would infallibly be exposed, must soon break down its military character; must, too, probably renew—l shudder to pronounce it—the criminal scenes which we have so lately witnessed, of military and public rebellion." NAV, be thought that a stronger opinion could not pos sibly be expressed agair,st the amalgamation of the Queen's army and the Indian army. (Hear, hear.) Precisely the same argument applied to the quotation which the hon. baronet had made from the Marquis Wellesley. And again the same line of argument applied to what had been said by Sir John Malcolm, Lord Cornwallis, and others, whose remarks had been quoted. The result Of the proposed amalgamation would be, that the Queen's army must be inferior to that of India. The 'chime of Lord LONDON, FRIDAY, MAY 11. LATEST .FROM ABROAD. ANOTHER REPULSE OF THI RUSSIA INS. .---0 -.- Lord Panroure presents his con, plimests to Editor of the Daily and has great pleu tire , transmitting the esclobed intelligence.wL ich his f t ,„ day reached him from Lord Raglan. War Department, May 11, 1b5.5. "SEBASTOPOL, Id Ay 10. "The Russians made a sortie with a large body l troops on oar right advanced trench this motai bz but were driven back immediately. Cornwallis bad been spoken of, but the obsetvations of that noble lord applied to combinations which might have taken place in the Indian army, and did not, as far ma he (Mr. V. Smith) could me, refer to any am a lgamation be . . tween the two services. As the hoe. hatonet — the member for Honiton had r.marked, that scheme had been silenced by the revolutions of 1796, and nothing more was said about it until Mr. Dundu brought forward the question in 1811. When they talked of the consideration this subject had met with from parliament, they must remember that since the time of the distinguished persons whose names had been mentioned, three acts of parliament had been passed in re ference to the Indian army, namely, in 1813, 1833, and 1853. The question had been brought before parliament, and by that parliament settled. It was hardly fair, there fore, on the part of his hon. friend to go back to 1812, and to say that that was the last time the question was seriously considered. As an authority against amalgamation, his hon. friend (Sir E. Perry) had passed over the committee of 1833, when Sir Jasper Nicholls, General Scott, and other distin guished men gave the most positive evidence against any measure of the sort. There was another point to which he (Mr. V. Smith) must advert. If those armies were amal gamated, the whole of the patronage was to be given to the government at home, and at the present time, when so greet an outcry was raised against the patronage in the hands of the Commander-in-Chief, he thought it a somewhat strange proposition to add to this patronage 6,000 officers in the Indian service. (No, no.) His hon. friend the member tor Devonport bad himself proposed that the whole of the newly-created patronage should be placed at the disposal of the crown. (Hear, hear.) The hon. and gal lant gentleman the member for Westminster had elated that although sepoye could net be employed in the Crimea, yet that Europeans in the Indian service might be so engaged. He believed that the hon. and gallant gentle. man was the only person of military rank who entertained that opinion, for all other officers of whom he had heart approved of such an arrangement of Europeans and natives as would bring them into the same active service. In reference to the "memorandum" so frequently alluded to, he (Mr. V. Smith) had been called upon to explain what was its intended effect as to social rank, and whether social rank was the only advantage it would secure. Social rank was a thing to be talked of—a mere act of c uttesy, and this memorandum was intended to confer greater privileges than that, for it would give to officers a right to that rank which otherwise they would have only by purchase. He found that in the Indian army there was supposed to be a higher social rank than in the English army, for the radian officers always returned thinks for the army when they were drunk—(laughter)—he meant when they were toasted ; and this in many cases created some annoyance. He ventured to think that the memorandum went considerably farther than a bestowal of mere social rank; for be believed that one effect of it would be that when a man became a major-general in the Indian army, if he went out to the Crimea he would take rank there as a major-general, whereas, under other circumstanas, he would be obliged to obtain a separate commission. He would take rank also from the date of his s' A second and similar attempt shared theft fate. " Nothing could be better then the mho of tit troops who took part in the affair. commission, and not from the date of his appointment. Tees bete g the lesention, the memnrandum was issued by Lord Harding., and he bad no doubt it would be found to work exceedingly well. The hon. baronet (Sir W. Clay) had read a letter from General Mayne on the subject of amalgamation, but he (Mr. V. Smith) might mention on the co:aer side the names of Colonel Sykes, Colonel Oliphant, Sir George Pollock, and other persona of equal distinction Now he would come to the question which was after all the question for that Mane, namely, the appointment of a com mittee of inquiry. It had already been remarked that the hon. and learned member for Devonport had experienced some difficulty in reference to his motion, inasmuch as wh he first recommended a commission, he was now seeking a select committee. Although he should have objected to a commission, he thought a commission would have been better than a select committee. There might have been placed on a commission a military man of expe rience out of the Indian or Queen's army ; but out of mem bers of that house it would be very difficelt indeed, if not impossible, to form a proper tribunal. The hen. gentleman who moved the resolution said he did not wish to have any thing to do with details ; but details were really the only matters into which any committee that might be appointed could legitimately inquire. No doubt this resolution had been moved for the sake of raising the question, in, order that it might be discussed in that house, and not with any idea of pressing it. That was perfectly legitimate, for it was well that such matters should undergo diseu-sion. But if the hon. and learned gentleman determined on piessirg it he (Mr. V. Smith) would repeat the warning of the hon. baroset the member for Honiton, not to trifle with the question of the Indian army, for on the Indian army depended not only the existence of that empire, but the whole of the civilisation of the country—(bear, hear)—the stability of this country in India depended upon the prone? maintenance of the army. He could not better state that opinion than in the words of one of the greatest men England ever produced or India educated—the Wellington of civil life, who in the course of a long life swerved from his duty, and who, when at last called upon to make a great sacrifice, did it with the same cheerful spirit that had characterised the earlier part of his life. He alluded to Sir Charles Metcalfe also said, " Some say that our empire in India rests on opinion, others on main force. It, in fact, depends on both. We could not keep the country by opinion if we had not considerable force ; and no force that we could pay would be sufficient, if it were not aided by the opinion of our invincibility. Our force does not operate so much by its actual strength as by the impression it produces, and that impression is the opinion by which we hold India." Now, he would ask the house net to peril, by sending it to • committee, the existence of a great army, and through that army the existence of a great empire. (Cheers.) Mr. OTWAY supported the motion. Mr. J. G. PHILLIDIORE thought there were grave constitutional reasons against this proposed change. Mr. DAN BY SEYMOUR said it seemed to him an in. superable objection to the proposal of the hon. geatleman that they could not *operate the present question from the great political question—in whom the government of India should reside. (Hear, hear.) The time would come when that question must be settled ' • and when they were pre pared to say that the Board of Directors should no longer exist, it would he time enough to consider the amalgamation of the two armies. (Hear, hear.) After some remarks from Mr. JOHN M'GREOOR, The house divided — For the motion Against it MR. LAYARD'S MOTION. . . . " The loss of the enemy was serious:' (BE SUBMARINE AND BRITISH TELEGRAPH) (FROM URI CORRESPONDINT Ok. THU DAILY SIM) PARIS, FRIDAY. . __...i. The Moniteur contains a letter from the Polak General ltybincke to the Emperor, in which g writer says: "Poland is suffering, but looks to the %tie aid; she sees and loves your Majesty alone; ego vinced that the power which has been lithert Di..ine Providence, continued in your hands, vita e exerted by you for the right came." The regulations as to prizes to be awarded ants Exhibition are now published. There are to be ion classes of rewards; namely, the gold medals, ter silver medals, the bronze medals, and honourate mention. His Majesty reserves authority, atm.:: bestow upon masters and workmen who may wee to merit such distinction, special tokens of the pchL; gratitude for the peculiar services rendered by they to civilisation and humanity. With regard to the department. of science see art, it is announced that there will be four clasped rewards for specimens of fine arts ; and that is tion to the grand smiled., the sum of 130,0001= has been allotted for distribution amongst the dies. guished "laureates of art." TXIb DALIII. tgLr.r.i. (Hy INTERNATIONAL TELEGRAPH., (PROSE THE CORRESPONDENT oP THE DAILY SllsyS) KIEL, Tut IVA The Orion, screw line-of-battle ship, suited r eight this morning. The Cossack, Arrogant, Esk, Tartar, and Arm have arrived at Farosund, with nine collienfortG fleet. Letters from Helsingfors, of the Stith ult., ret that the formation of the 26 battalions of Fin'Wm ordered by the late Czar, is now complete. Them steam frigate Galkao, of 360 horse power, id teid! for launching, and the \Vyborg, a scong ship of at line, has just received engines of 430 horse powt An order was lately issued that in fume ship' ba: in the Imperial yards shall be fitted with the dart It is now ordered that the exibting esiliog mei shall be successively taken into (look and mon engines and propellers.—Dai y Newc. Mr. LAYARD wished to say a few words in order that there might be no mistake as to the course of business on Monday night. The noble lord (Palmenton) was under • misapprehension when he stated that it was his (Mr Lewd's) intention to force on his motion on Monday night. Its bad no suoh intention. He understood that on Monday night • similar motion was to be made in another place ; and, under these circumstances, he believed it would suit the convenience of the house better to have his motion put off to a later day. (Hear, hear.) Hs would, therefore, avail himself of the kind permission given him by the noble lord • few nights ago. EDUCATION (SCOTLAND) BILL. The LORD ADVOCATE having mimed that the house go into committee on this bill, Mr. CUMMING BRUCE raised v. debate, which was ultimately adjourned till Monday. Several bills were read a second time unopposed. CONSTITUTION FOR VICTORIA. Lerd .1. RUSSELL snored for leave to bring ins bill to enable her Majesty to assent to. a bill, as amended, of the legislature of Victoria, "to etrablish a constitution in end for the colony of Victoria." Leave was given to bring '.n the bill. NATIONAL GALLERY (DUBLIN.) Mr. RORSMAN obtr.ined leave to bring in a bill to amend en set of the l.ast session of parliament, intituled, " An Act for the lest , Alishment of a National Gallery of Paintings, Sculpture, and the Fine Arta, for the care of a Public Library, c.nd the erection of a Public Museum in Dublin." FORMS OF PLEADING. The ATT'ORliiiMiiiiiAL obtained leave to bring in a bill to °matinee an net of 13 and 14 Vie. to enabl►, the animas of the Courts of Common Law at Westmintt►= to alttr the forma of pleading. The home adjourned at half-past one o'clock. THE VIENNA CONFERENCE. _ te r EARL GREY has given notice that on Moak week he will call upon the House of Lords to deem that, in their opinion, the proposals made on theta: of Russia were of such a nature as might her been acceded to by the other Powers. It is to be presumed that this declaration relates to the propo sals made on the part of Ramis with referescs tl the third point, inasmuch as it wee upon them tha the Conferences were broken off. These proan 4 were twofold ; one set were propounded in tin twelfth Conference, at which the French and Ear lish Plenipotentiaries declared that their instruences were exhausted. The other set were proponadedn an irregular Conference, unsanctioned and swas tined by the French and English Governments, sia held after the English Plenipotentiary had quitti Vienna. The former are to the effect that the Strso connecting the Black Sea with the Mediterren should be opened to the ships of war of all unite. the latter, to the effect that the Straits should s I closed against the ships of war of all 110013/1. Russia professes its readiness to conclude peace tlf: either of two arrangements so diamer rice.ly oppose each other, admits only of one intrapretation. sees her way to make either t'lle one or the ote arrangement conducive to the attainment of is ulterior objects. Russia feel' confident ttij neither the one nor the c ther arrangement ca. diminish her prepondere ace in the Black . 56 or secure Turkey against her aggressive p role,' It is clear that the consequences of throwuog Straits open to the ships of war of all nations, ;d certain conditions and restrictions to be settled tot; after, or of closing them against the ships of 151 ', all nations, must depend entirely upon the nituro the other stipulations to be entered into by . the c cer tracting Powers. Now the only other pats Ps 1 which the negotiators had even apparently corm as accord, before these alternative prolate? Irt'ci tendered, were those which relate to the previa .° Moldavia, Wallachia, and Servia, and to the bit navigation of the Danube, We say " aPPar e°tl Yl to an accord;" for, with reference to the 6rot, 14 .0 everything was left to subsequent 'n l4o e4 16 1 ' be made by a Commission ; and , with rtfels.` to the aecUnd, Russia had reserved a fight .t° hold here assent from three of the most essentalsa done. The proposals which Earl GREY is of opt ought to have been acceded to by the other Por, le fman literally nothing, could have n o sad would leave matters in a state quite as. and anarchical as at present. The tr uth a posabi