The Express. — London, England, 1850-04-19 00:00:00

IMPERIAL I'ARL LAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS-TIICZEDAT, Aran 18. TM Uses sire at Eta O . OIOCE. LIM LANGDALE Mt Eposkor. PETITION PRESENTED . PosT orrics —By E WALDEORAVE. Asir pion imst Meld. agaiimit Sraday Wiser is as Pcwolliet. ADVANCES TO DISTRESSED NIONS (IRELAND) The Marquis of LANSDSWITE said the sago mom& (el Westmeath) opposite bad pet a qsoetkat to hiss the oases sigOt is to the ootwelaistios of tits remises( of the amens he IMAM : he (geld sow answer the seesaw. sad he bird Is Worm die wide =mph that the pen balk of the Aohiswesid be assalidaded.lost the ulnae's wider Mr. Leheasheees letter woad sat be festsilei. All thalami. pre paid *be sesemildwed ardor the sew set related to weep shwa is pails Wish Att whisk eosaties, er divisioss of as sin% et seine, woes subfred to wee, sad did sot Sided, TM sdissdas ask to induals. mar t ais of WESTMEATH refused to waive ash holonsaties, sad tbesebt the soveraverst had takes • oil sided view of w qeetties. He 'amid all &maws to the Noblest as Meads, size. !RR CORN TRADE. The Reel of MALMRSBURY gave make that ou Wa tley he sheald wove for corsair Wares relative to the Import of wheat sad other grain, sad should feel himself obliged to all atteutsou to the state et the corm market in this country. CASE OF MR. RYLAND. The Duke of ARGYLL iegaind wlwther the sable earl fhe Bowe ary for the Otionles. bed received say despatch Item Lard Alain rergasalag the owe of Mr. Ryland. Earl ORE! bell In kl 7 heed pep.e relating to the as of Mr. Rylaad, laded*, a dispaMt from Lard Rig* which he would lay on the table. PIRATES '. HEAD MONET " REPEAL BILL. .07« i t;;;Waiiiread• leg of the Pirates Head Mosey Reseal Bill. It was of isteaded to d• prim parties espied in the septum or die. Mrsetios of pivotal vessels of all reward ; but it was thought better to give to the crows the power of rewording these assordies to the mature sad est. st of their envious. Lord COLCHESTER defended the present system, and thesght it would be highly iscouvesiest if captors were compelled to apply to the crown or puliament for rewards Is Imre sem in which they were engaged with pirates. Lord ELLENBOROUGH di:ought the peisciple of the bill by which the Admiralty was to adjudicate oa all such shims 'moldiest, Ins advised that the rewards should be paid by that department of the public service. The bible mil peceeded to comment severely an the resist MUM with pirates is the coast of Borneo, which he stigmatised so military @licentious, and gums sorties that when the bill rattela committee he should move to eubstitate of the present clause a new clause, the effect of whist' would he to give the sane power of content°, rewards es those angeged with pira.se se shore which wee sow granted to the Asuralty with regard to those gigged with pirites at sea. — lce Earl of ELLESMERE roan to defend Sir Jallllll Brooke, whose conduit in Borneo bad been each as to ',Weie him to rank among the heroes of civilisation. He (Lord Ellesmere) had dune all that he weld to obtain from the government the es•ablisbment of Lehi in, and he had little doubt that under the seletary super tones if Sir lames Brooke, with whom, however he had no peroaal ac quaintance, it would sour become a thriving and fl mrishing settlement The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH reiterated his state ment respecting the satires of Borne), SW: declared that what woe termed piracy only amounted to international was. If Lord Ellesmere had dons all he could to establish the oolocy of Libman, he (Lord Ellenberugh) had done utmost to oppose that establishment. It was utterly useless to England, or, indeed, to say but those who were speculating in Bunco. . . . . . Earl GREY denied moat positively the amortise of Lord Ellenborough, that the natives of Borneo attacked by Sir J. Brooke were enpged in international warfare, aad read extracts from the depositions made before the Hiatt Court of Admiralty at Sioppon, which proved irrefragably that those natives were determined pirates. whose expeditions were a term to all who traded in the Indio. Archipelago. Whit est wishing to elevate Labia to the rank of a colony, it could not be doubted that it was an advantageous position for the prat/mien of oar commerce in those nu, and a va luable station for the supply of coals to war stamen. So far from being a failure, at had progressed in a peer and • half more tepidly than could have been expected • and hr the last advises itt appeared that 120 town alloteants had bees disposed of; while the entire amount of mated for the current year soder that head had been realised during the smouth of January alone. After some further observations from Lord ELLIKIIIO - who doubted whether the coal referred to, though nominally cheaper, au not actually dearer than Englielt coal, the bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed at Thursday next. Their lordships then, at twenty minutes after six o'clock, adjourned. ROUSE OF COMMONS.—THCRSDAT, Arm 18. The STURM took the chair at 4 o'clock. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS ----..—. nits or KNOIILIIDOI —By Mr. T. DUNCOMBE, troun.Cleikeawell, for the abolition of duos woo. NATIONAL LAND COMPANT.—B; )jr. T. DI:NCOMBB. from • plate in Nottinghemsaire ; ir G. B. MICHELL, kern members of WI batty at Brighton ; for • legislative maser, affecting thair interests. Btu.—By Mr. CLAY, from Goole ; Sir R. FERGUSON, from Londonderry ; against this buil. FACTOIITISILL.—By Mr. DUNCAN, from Dundee; Mr. DUNCU FT (20), trom Oldham and other pleas; Mr. HORN BY, from a place in Lounger; the Marquis of GRANBY, hem fietenford; Mr. F. O'CONNOR, from Militia and other plows; Lord A. LENNOX (4), from Bury; Colonel THOMPSON, from a place in the West Riding; Sir F. THESIGER, from places in Lambskin; Lord D. STCART, fr•im places is Lancashire and York shire; Lod DRUMLANRIG, from Dead's and other places in Scotland; Lord ASHLEY, (a large number) from Yorkshire and other ematioe; Lord J. MANNERS, ism rend) from factory operating of Bog ; Mr. HENRY. from Lan:robin ; Mr. BANKES (21), hem operatives of York l i - Mire acd Ltacashire ; in favour of this hill. Lawn's or Facroatis.—By Mr. STANSFIELD, hoe millowans of Yorkshire, in favour of an Eleven Hoare Bill. Tau PomOrrica.—By Mr. DUNCAN, from Dallas; Sir R. INOLIB (two), from plows la Scotland; Mr. FLOYER (three), from Dorseishire ; Lord MELGUND, from foralasid; the Marquis of GRANBY, from &a lma ; Lard GALWAY, ,roe Raeford ; Captain BEN NET, hoe Norfolk ,• Mr. ROUNDELL PALMER, from Plymouth; Lard JOHN MANNERS, from Lincoln ; Mr. M L 138 (sestina), from Somenstshire ; Mr. COWAN, from a MINIUM if plows in Scotland ; against Snday 1411091 is the poet-41m EDCCATION BILL —By Mr. W. EVANS, hoe Derby; Mr. DIVET trom Easter, in favour of this bill. By Lord ASHLEY. from Manchester, with 4,000 Mumma; Mr. L. HODGES, from Maidstone, against thes ADTBIATISRMINT BUTT.—By Mr. PETO, from a place (same not Maid), For the alrolition of this duty. ROYAL PALACES. Oa the motion of C 0108•1 SIATMOZP, it MU ordered that the resents (ordered 6th February) " of Um sums of money already voted for the different royal pa/sees for the last three plan," &c., be laid on the table forthwith, and be printed. ECCLESIASTICAL BENEFICES. Sir B. HALL fa,* notice that on Friday neat he should move for an alphabetical return of the names of all parishes and districts of parishes in every diocese in Eanland and Wales, stating the pipalation of such parish or district, the iseome received by the incembewt, the diocese in which shame, std in whose gilt is the benefice—ens% return to be given I. tables matmenelag with parishes or districts under 601. per annum ; next, from 50/. to 601, from 601. to 701., from 701. to bOl , from bOl. to 901, from 901. to 1001., and so on in sections, each Girton lacremieg 201.; if any parish or district is held by any bishop, teen, archdeacon, chancel lor, precentor, succenthr, prebend, or canon ; the name and au. of such bishop, dean, or other dignitary as aforesaid to be given : also, whether such bishop, dean, or other digni tary is resident or now-resident in the living, sad the Wavy paid to each curate or curates. if any. Also, a retire show ing t►e several pieces of preferment held byneery arch. bishop, bishop, or dean, together with the villas of each of such pieces of preferment, and the number of homes at tacked to each of aunts peas of preferment. THE NATIONAL LAND COMPANY. Sir B. HALL said, wing the hon. and learned umber for Nottinchant (Mr. F. O'Connor) in hi. place, he begged to put a question to bias in reference to a bill which before Rester he stated he would irtroduce as early as possible after the Essay resew, namely, a bill for the purpose of winding up the affairs of the tumoral land company. Hs begged to ask him whether he now intended to introduce that bill, and if so, whether in the shape of a public or of • private hill. Mr. P. O'CONNOR said the hon. btronet woe correct in spine, that he had stated it to be his intention to introduce the bill is question as soon as possible after Easter. The truth was, that he had act boon able to be In the house until the night beim last, having been ill since before Emmy, but be bonged to tell the hon. baronet that he had Walmpoiated the •ley, 7 '4 Parliaisanlaft7strast, willatittwiettawitori womplishing the object He had now a question to put to the boo. baronet He begged to ask hiss whither it was Woe that be was twee a trustee of the toads of a amber of pow people in his neighbourhood. (Cries of " order," sad laughter ' amidst which the h on . and learned member resumed hie Nat.) SOUTH AMERICAN MAIL PACKETS. Mr. H. HERBERT. is permutes pf lb* moth*, inked ch. government whether negotiation are at present pentlith, at whether my arrangements are &Satins', settled with the Royal Mad Steam Packet Company, or with any other company, f,r the establishment of steam eonamannatios wi the Breath or the River Plate ; also whether it is lb. intention of the fOIIWIIIIIII4 to renew the reign" contracts, or to enter into any fresh arrangements with regard to tho tfinamiseina of the Antrim', West Indian , and Peelle malls, without hWally determining whether a pout of departure us the math or west omit of Ireland for the packets thaplond Is that senior wruld be dtairable. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was gage awe that t egotiatione with the company were pending, but at yutheet so dellaitive arrangement had bean Lined apts. He aid not think It desirable that the r ta i i n a tr departure oloald be treastared fres this Neatly a LARCENY SUMMARY JURISDICTION BILL. bil 0 1. • the wilco ter the how gong lets sesuaittee en Ws Sir B. HALL was Ant to make ea observation is refer saes to a qieeticm Wed Skim by Mr. P. O'Coeoroa, when The SPEAKER said—The (20111 kes sitiadg fah4 the order et Me day ; therefore It h irregular to pat my goestioa. Sir B. HALL—I beg to sa fad weed in referstme Mirka, has follow morn the his. ibr Nottingham. The SPEAKER-1 8 oust labs sow cam opportunity et sating sliesesitim. The modem .cow made is that I leave the as. Bir B. HALL—Theo I seal Mulkey his to leave hie plow, and shall risk him what lowans. Oa the media that the Ifigeolme de taw leave the chair, Mr. M'CULLAGH, mei., that this how do remelts itself into the said semmittes apes this day eta sae= &neva the enemies a the hems whMet •he s the news which had Massed kW to give notlee of the aseinadment. He did met wish to fereetall any discussion. His elejestions were is the whale embetanes of the bill In point of primal*. end Ia riot of prestice. he Weed it weld be Gambled that so *PM geoid he some impeoloth the& that aMa emsomell the eabotantial show. 1a riot of yomet'oe it wail le moo. he him to eon lb. Months ad the home te a Moms tibia he had Maimed with mesh aro of the mid number of ammoniate's tow trial at the minas sod qnseller insiene adios Demonther, 16491 the somehow of moomielah wed gm mambo= omen rieredie. 16 lime of eV: esiother orith the ui oll:ales where palmy was 'ldea WM& did mit soles& the ode. of is. The Mimi ammelotelo is me, try wen 2,024 in 62 et the lemma Moos is Basted. Tice member IMMO momemilled y yams. aster 16 years was 261,heiogaboutenosighth et thewhale amber. The numbs, of ethos= esmoehled. Ishii did net mend o th e r shoat thwormath of the whole. The total aof bilk ignored was 26. These Wawa it wee uses tad were oom- WIWI by persons of the wasp, dams of the entamaity, end what he objected he we, that yon were proposing to abeam the statists, while yea left eschewed the ancient prieciple of the woodmen. He thanks, it would !readmitted on all hands, as a pleolyth of the minted law of this eseantry, that there Aeon be a soaspetthe judge sad a rota meat. homed* and bpi tribes& It was proposed by this bill. as sow so elbow were seaweed, to take up a rlcalor Wee, that they might naive the potteries of a cosemesst_ judge. It was proposed to substitute nothing widish meld he aamsr with whet was takes swan cad as each it wee paged to establish a priaciplo dangerous to the best intercom of aseisq. The object pat forward cote.- sibly was this, to save expeme to the ratepayers in each lega lity, and Othosik it appeared a most legitimate object where the rateparen were fomented, it did appear to be is. epee to the greatest *Wise when the pockets of the upper closes were to be mewl la the expense. Siam he had give. notice of the awadment, he had commentated with • prise of it:mimeo and authority is Ireland, and also with one of the most accomplished of the militant barristers in Ireland, and he stated, sad most distinctly that be was opposed to the bill, and Wald deeply r grit having to feel himself, in criminal casts, deprived of the assistance of the jury. One of the present judges bad said, I think this bill unnecessary and mischievous, both as regards England sod Ireland. If it should be necessary to accelerate trials, the stater sight to provide the neesesry tribunals. It was oat of the question that you gam an option whether the accused would be tried by them two ',mucosa or by a jury. This option was a reality, or it was a sham. He would give an instants what the option was. He hesvd only this day from the elm* of the pesos of the town of Portsmouth, that out of 66 can which had ben tried and adjudicated on, in no ace we. the prisms' told be had the °pies which it was proposed to insert I. this bill. It was stated, and with comidemble force, that is the present state of this country taxation was of sash im portance that there should be no waste of the money of the public in "'akin a criminal amicable to justice. He did not suppose that any one la the how could dispute that pro. poution, or urge one word against its being duly considered ; but there was a warning familiar to am, it was the danger of asking for public remedies sorely for the 'eke of a public principle, where departure from cults and duty were implied by the innovatkeL It WAS said that this was at most but an experiment. His answer was, experimental's' l os yourselves in the first instance. Sir 0. STRICKLAND deeply lamented to see the attempts which were continually made to do sway with that which from his earliest years he had been taught to believe wee the dearest right of Englishmen, he meant trial by jury. He objected to this bill, both on account of its on oasoitutiocal nature and the utter ine,mpetency of the persons to whom were given this unconatituconal, tyrants'. cal, and cruel power. He complained, besides, of the unli mited newer given under this bill of flogging all persons 'under 16 years of age without the intervention of a jury. The other objection he had to this bill was the utter loose money of the id iunal to be entrusted with such a tearful power. The hoe. baronet the member for Droitwich very justly boasted of having been for many years chairman of Quarter Sessions, and he said that having been for many years chairman of Quarter Sessions, he had acquired such a knowledge of the law of evidence that he was fully moth's of trying a criminal. He objected to this bill also because it gave to the magi' taste oho may convict the criminal the power of nominating the constable who should indict the punishment to be award. dto the criminal. He sincerely trusted that the bill would be rejected by the hens, and he hoped to live to me the day when the Juvenile °Bowies' Bill would be re pealed. Tn.: motion and the amendment haring been pot, Sir J. PAKINOTON said that he thought that the time Ise debating the principle of the bill was on the second read ies. Oa the wood reading there was a full debate and no dividoo • and though the bon. 'Belabor for Dundalk had given pollee that on that reading he would move an amend meat, yerhe sat in his place and moved no amendment. The bill was then fined for committee ; and when it came to that stage an amendment was moved thee the bill should be divided into two parts. And 113 w, for the third time, the hon. member for Dandalk mowed an amendment that the bill be read a third time that day sin months. He protested against such a course; and, though he nid not mean any disreevet for the boa. member for Dundalk or the right hon. gentleman the member for Preston, yet be thought that the house rhould go into committee, when he woald be axle to denied every portion of the bill. Mr. P. HOWARD said that he would give his steady op. position to this bill, beaus be thought it coatained prin. ci,,les which were not inherent is the constitutios of the country. Mr. AGLIONBY wished that to. power of infl:cting summary jurisdiction in the cases to which the bill referred was gives to the magistrates. Mr. HENLEY wished to ask the boa. member for Droitwieh whether he intended to divide the bill into two parts or sot? Illr 0. GREY said that he thought the bill ought to be divided into two parts, and that the committee should deal with the first part before they proceeded to deal with the second. Ho should be prepared to sate for the principle of the bill, as far as the fleet part was concerned, and be sow proposed that the house go into committee on that part of the bill which related to the jurisdiction of magistrates in oases of Cfiolll4lllendor sisters years of age. Bir J. PAKINGTON said that he attached much more importance to the second than this first pert of the bill ; and that the course which he intended to tease was to wet the sense of the house in committee as to the propriety of divialog the bill into two parts. Mr. LAW mid that in taking that noun he would be disobeying the inEructioss of the house who had already decided by a majority of leeventy, that it wee their desire that the bill should be divided into two parts. In the event of the hos. gentleman persisting in that course and succeed ing, ho (Mr. Law) would deem it to be his duty to vote with the hon. gentlemen opposite) against the bill altogether. The house then divided. The numbers were— For going into committee 133 Against 76-57 The hit . *** then went Mtn essaamittee on the bill. Oa the ht clause, Mr. LAW moved an amendment, the object of which was to divide the bill into two parte, and to strike out the latter portion. Sir J. PAKINOTON insisted upon the bill being consi dered in its integrity. Sir. G. GREY considered that the opinion of the house bad been decisive as to the division of tae bill. lie trusted therefore that the hon. baronet would not insist on preserv ing it entire. After a short discussion, Mr. LAW premed his amendment, and the committee divided. For Om clause For the amendment lO2-52 --- Sir Ci GREY observed, that the alteration which had peat been effected would not render it neeiseary to begin de novo It was competent to the committee to proceed with the remaining p'rtion of the bilL Sir J. PAKINOTON understood, then, that he was to proceed with the fin* ran of the bill. Mr. HUME suggested that as it bad now been decided to divide the bill the better course would be for the chairman to do so at once, and then report progress, in ordtr that the two bills might be printed in their separate shape before they were called upon to consider them further. Sir J. PAKINOTON thought as there appeared to be a general feeling in favour of the first part of the bill they might go on with that now, leaving the latter part to be dealt with as a separate immure hereafter. Mr. PACER then moved to omit the words giving inrks diction to the magistrates where the property stolen did not exceed Is. In value to deal summarily with offenders under sixties Testy of age. Mr. ROEBUCK thought it desirable before they pro eeeded turther that they should understand what the bill was to do. Already the hos. baronet (Sir J. Pakirgton) had got a law giving to the magistrates summary jurisdic tion up to fourteen years of age, and the whole object of the bill as it would now stand was to extend that jur:edlction to juvenile offenders of sireen years of age. The purpose of the bill was then that justices sitting et petty sessioas might have the additional pleasure of hogging children, whose ages ranted from 14 to 16. (Oh, ob.) And these measures for depriv ing the poor gradually of the protection of trial by jury—by whom were they broaght in T They were brought in by a chairman of petty *melon", and were supported by the pity mesions magistrates. Ile would do all in his power to prevent the progress of such • measure. Mr. AOLIONBY would not be led by the example of the bon. and learned member into the use ahead words. (dear, bear.) He spoke as a member of the same profession es that of the hes. end learned member, and MI foliE who had prae• toed snare, perhaps, in the criminal courts than he had done; and from the esperienee he bad, he must say he to ally (Re sented Are the hoe. and learned gentleman's stew. He was net a petty sessions magistrate, but from what he knew of that body be could not admit that they were guilty of the lajaitiat which the koa, and learned gentle- THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, APRIL 19, 1850. Ewa attributed to them. (Chili,.) H. dhl eat believe it wee a u plawate • (kr that was the, wed the boa- aad bond goatimen used) to no, magistrates to Mkt ptintineat ; bat, ea the esstraty, k war rely la the belief eat they were atlas la stria went , anti with b r iat inZ e iga st ow i r i is tint, *swan, dad whkg Ann to thowesine nit *ay wittand Wo n , ws esavistioh. a widergo Guth pnalebanws as ► the im VrEßucKlutg bg. ested that If the ewe n Onfes bid jatioiktioa um, Mg*, litesay, the oblestisa as to per 5050 iinutedWin ma Whoa lyng a hag thee to gaol buten bid would be obviated. 1, Mr. PAOLI, oars.. to tho quokka of publicity, baleen the bin oad leaned asenher (Mr. Ron band to that the courts et petty soden were as epos se the worts of quarto swains fit no wain own At the petty sessions at Lima* NM Loughborough, when he Wended, the Isar wpm palibliall is dot wany wan always row.- sewed, and the pareoullegi WON eenpletely tiler the public eye. Sir J. PAZINOTON, hinny list any years setiond l the Digest gad esuliduseo el the aegistraita with when be send Is 'view sMpoIW Geoid Wird to beat AIN omen of the his. and leaned swabs, kw 11118110 IL Ho advised the boa. ea leaned somber to huh at the set of SW, to wine ha hod veferred, awl be would Sad that it gale power et jurisdiction to juniors of the pane sitting et no usual where the potty sewing were hail, vend ht epos curt. Mr. ROISIICK admitted that there was publicity la the lone town, but sot Is the rural distils*, where the potty seesaw wen held in sone publialows parlour wr in the equire's boom Bir G. GARY hoped the question would he Amused calmly without the iatnrlssetiou of perseaallti.s. The house sewed to think that this proposal for "(rimy sununtry jwisdletioa to wiagierates was new, bet it was se so, for tba swiss of sets nand by the right hos. baronet (Slr A. Pool) wen years ego guru extensive power of orantasowy nriedistisa to magistrates ectiag Ia potty esesioas, and throe years age the hos_ bareaet ((Sir I. Pahlavi.) henght I. sad carried the Jamas Offenders Bill, which gave do inners jwiedictioa la ones whore the puns charged worn ender 14 wars of age—an act which net with the narked approval of Lord Deana.. The qualm they bad to decide was, whether they should extend that jurisdiction hoe 14 years to 16, sad melee that to ordinary wen, as the classing of wieners sod the pow Law relief, 16 years was taken es the sae wine the pewits wand to be chased as nvesiles, he saw no wawa why they should lot adept the sane principle here. After new observation 15... Sir 1. PARIXOTON and Mr. Lk!. Mr. HUME was ef opinion that Intr7 moot of petty smokes should ban the assistance of a shainasa bred to the law, the expense of which woad be amply orapea sated by thu meadows which would be felt in the admi &intrudes ad jostles. With regard to the places when these matte were held, he found that in Worcester shire there were fifteen places when petty sessions were held—four of which were la public. homes, three at the I clerks' houses, and two at the union worktteme. (.. Bear" and laughter.) This wee opposed to the spirit in which the law ought to be administeted ; and if the house did not carry oat the rotes' of justice is such a meaner as to obtain popular sanative and approbation how could they look for the support of the . people ? Again, in Cambridgeshire there were 12 petty mamas held, nine of them in public-houses. In Buckinghamshire 12 were also held, nine of them in public-houses. Mr. B. DENISON objected to the messum, bewails It would bring under the juristlicties of the magistrates a elan of offenders between the ages of 14 and 16, who armed a very eonsidereble portion of the riving rogues of the kingdom. Mr. LAW, thinking it desirable to shorten the discussion, moved that the chairman do now leave the chair. Mr. MILNES said it was a very digl•.ult muttrr to deal with prisoners who bad attained an ace between that of youth and puberty. It was at that see prison contamination effected its worst, and thereto» the house should do all in its power to gaud prisoners of 16 from that contami nation. _ _ After a few words from Sir J. PAX INOTON and Mr. B Da:41110W, Mr. ROEBUCK said he wished to divest himself of every personal consideration on this subject. What wculd the bill do ? It would enable a magistrate to inflict punish ment upon him who had "leased to be a boy. and to brand him indelibly for life. Was the house Frepared to gine to two magistrates, sitting, as the bon. member /or the West Hiding of Yorkshire (Mr. H. Denison) —himself the chairman of a Quarter Ammions—oonfessed, in the back parlours of public-houses, without the aid of a jury, without any one of the bulwarks which the institutions of this cou o try had thrown around us all, a power to degrade a young man for lifelby en posing him in the market lace and ordering him to be whipped ? Whip a buy, arid there was nothing in it. (A laugh.) If you struck your own child, which he would not advise any man to do—and if he had a child, and struck him, he would not be a man—but supposing • child he be struck, no imputation would be rut upon the boy, whereas • grave Imputation would be east upon a man if immoral ehsatisement were inflicted upon him. (Hear.) Hs hoped, for the mks of the due administration of justice, that the house would support the proposition of the bon. and learned record, r for the City of Lmdon (Mr. Law), who had dealt with more criminals than any other hon. member of that house, and who had told them that this was • most mis chievous bill. Mr. VIVIAN ealled attention to the heavy expense which counties had to attest at present for removing criminals from sessions to gaols, and said that some alteration of the law in this respect was needed. Mr. LAWLESS intimated his intention of moving at a future rage, that " sixteen " be altered to "fourteen" years of age, and that Use bill be not :tended to Ireland. Lord BERNARD said that the existing law in Ireland had been instrumental in suppressing much of juvenile de linquency. Col. THOMPSON said It appeared to him that the knotty point tutor* the how. was—at what age posterity ehould be whipped? (Great laughter.) Now, he was not for whipping them at all, and upon that principle he would endeavour to regulate his vote. The house divided as the motion " that the chairman do leave the chair " _ For it Arial* it Mr. ROEBUCK then moved ea amendment. the effect of which would bete restrict the operation of the bill, es far as personal chastisement was concerned, to persons of 14 in stead of 16 years of age. After a few words from Mr. Aohtosne and Mr. Hcmi, Mr. M'CULLAOH again declared his opposition to the bill. He observed that the Juvenilia Offenders Act bad not been beneficial. He believed that the onetime of juvenile offenders het greatly multiplied under that set. Mr. DRUMMOND declared his intention of voting fur the amendment; but be denied altogether the statement made by the hoe. member (Mr. M'Callagle) as to the opera tion of the Juvenile Of Age, which, from his own know ledge he mild state to be unfounded. Mr. P. HOWARD said he wt uld give his most determined opposition to the bill. The committee then divided, when there appeared For the amendment 7B Against it On our readmission we found Bir G. STItICKLAND stating that they had now come to the most objectionsble part of this objectiorable measure. The punislumert of flagging, besides being cruel, was bru talising, not only to theme who suffered, but those who were compelled to behold It. lie t►ought that in this age we ought to have recourse to moral agencies, in preference to such a degrading practice as that of fioggiag. He should, therefore, move a pros is*, that nothing herein contained shall authrriae or empower any justice or justices to order the punishment of whipping to be laflie•ed on', persons whose age shall exceed fourteen years. Mr. PAKINOTON said that the origins' bill was framed with the humane intention of saving persons from the con tamination of the gaol, by according the pool/hottest of whipping and immediately discharging the offender. If that humane intention was admitted, as regarded persons of fourteen years of age, there would be no sound objection to extending it to persons of sixteen years of age, They should recollect that their own sons were whipped at 9149001. Mr. ROEBUCK said there was a wide difference. A child was still a child at fourteen—at sixteen he was a man— (hear, bear)—and the punishment which to a boy was mere pain, to a man would amount to a feeling of degradation. Why were they to apply this brutal, this degrading, punish ment—this last resort of a poor and pitiful jurisprudence —to entorca their criminal cods ? Were they reduced In this age which boasted of its civilisation to that 'tete that they could not govern their ma without the I.sh ? Ho was surprised to hear an hon. gentleman, a chairman of quarter sessions, my that whipping belonged to the law of England. And so it did, and they whipped women la the market place. But they did not do that now, there was a distinction made between women end men. Whipping, the boa. smile-ran said, was in the spirit of the Euglish 11119. Uod help U 9 if we could not get out of !kat spirit. Mr. LAW said this law would not only be a direction to masistnites who convicted summarily, bat It would be guide to chairmen of quarter suuonsand to judges to fix the limit as is whipping in future. He did think they had arrived at the time when they should sty whipping was a fit punishment for boys, but it was a degrading and unfit punishment for min. Mr. 1C1L16)7117i observed that the has. member for Sheffield bad a right to object to a clause, and to draw a distinction between a boy of 14 and a boy of 16, and say the one wait a boy and the other a man ; but be bed no right to ray that this bill bad fur ita object the degradation of the poor. It was not the poor, it was the criminal. (U. ar, hear.) Mr. 'MUNDELL PALMED could not help expressing hirthordial concurrence with the views of the hon. gentleman who had just eat down; and, although it might he unpopular after the eloquent denunciation of the hon. and learned member for Sot Ifitld, yet he ehoule. not diechlrge his duty if, thinking that this was t h e CrUlo of humanity, he 'brook from saying so on the pmaeut mouton. It appeared to him that they should rot be led away by sentimentality, which mi g ht d o very well ist popular assembly, but in that house they must look to the real and practical interems of satiny. They had to deal with a chi* in which sentimentality did not prevail in the same degree as in their own. Wh. n they talked of mining and a degradation, it was the dtvy of the leitialtture to say thin , wits the migma—(tiesz, hear) —and they must not he deterred it applying the core...tithe, becituee the criminal might for the moment hams irritated 4. line with reap, et to the punishment. And he world Mutt ask the huute whether that wag not the tits. punialtm• nt which combined these qualities—the quality tit Wiry sulli-iently severe to prevent rept:kiwi, the quality of brig c'ieep, the quality of being quick in its operation, and of being i xpeditious in its inflic., Lion ? Dot not alb , punishment and personal nilostigment , unite all these points more than . ny other 1 Ile hoped the hew would agree to the sham, bellevier as he did that • at of ',hippies, whatever might be mit •it, wee really meeetfuL Me. HEIGHT said he agreed with all that the his. and member for Shellel4 had mid ola Me of eibippbx. He should eldest to 'lambs pusses 16 Mims seer, pees hely an the petted that the hem end learee, pnthessan objeeted so It. Bet he oared to it ea ode. giessith which made him rival et Mee apro ns( the hgl rbe gamut shape The hoe . baronet prepesed that thepembiseent should be . balloted by the ceder of two magistrates. Now, lot them omaider who magistrstes were —how they were appointed, sad the mode in whisk *air trashiest was sommbess ondosted. Now he believed there were many hundreds el magistrates to wham the 'sentry was greatly indebted; many who knew the law and who were just and easeful judges S bat then he know that magistrates were appointed frequently lessees they happened to be Melt gendemee of the neigh boarbood, or became they bemired to he the pellucid =al governmestomel that they were net appointed alnquiry into their capacity or boo ledge. And if he regarded may the madeet and the cha neer sad the ids's** ar the magletrates themselves, he would wars the. against main from parlienteet theee ad ditionalwers. and he would ask them mere than any odor men le t hat house to vote decidedly against the p:opositioa now Wore theta._ Mr. ROEBUCK said the hos. member lad put the quo dos en a ground which he could unierseand. He said that whirpLagzsa cheap. Now he wail/show him that another pun t would be quite as cheap, that would inflict • great deal more pain. Ho would take torten. What was this but torture ? Take the thumb-screw. A boy had orimmitted a theft. Take him into the look room of a preen, sad put him tato a screw ; it was very cheap. But if it would maim bins, sad make him a pauper, be would nave some other portion of his body. (A laugh.) The only real question was that by this infliction they degraded the man. lie sok. sowledged at once that society was perfectly justified, when its laws were infringed, to pauish ea Individual so es to deter other from the perpetration of crime, but only with this proviso, that they inflicted the least possible pain end the least possible miesitlef that they could inflict. If he could prevent murder by the infliction of the fine of a farthing that was the utmost that he would loftiest He had no wegsamos to seek, he only sought preventioo. And whoa hon. member for Plymouth would inflict pain with • lash; but be assured that this was a rude system of legislation ; and if they were dealing with meta they were not to inflect on them such a degrading punishment es the. Aad when the bon. gentleman told him that being in prism for • mouth was a more lasting degradation than flagellation he knew little of his countrymen, or of the feelinse which influ enced them; for the idea of suck an infliction was a deg's. deities that would last for • man'slife, and no future conduct of the boy of 16 to the man of 60 would wipe it out, but it would haunt him like • spirit from the hour of its infliction to tho hour in which he would breathe hie last : he would be pointed at as a man that had been degraded by corporal punishment, and long so degraded, be would be like the man in Homer, he would thereby lon half hie manhood. Colossi THOMPSON believed that there was no serious fetishes of applying this bill to the sons of gentlemen. ' Eton boys stole geese. (Laughter.) Hs had heard them boast that they did so. They were forced by certain rules and regulations which placed certain children of the ariato may over other children of the aristocrecy in a way that did ' not improve their morality or their honours. No, there was no intention whatever that Eton boys who stole geese should be punished either in the market-place or in the prison. They admitted the propriety of obtaining a power over infants, or these a little older, in order to get that authority which was necessary for their well being; but they absolutely abrogated and denied the propriety of whipping everybody or anybody. The root of all this proceeding was thatthey were to whip at size eon or fifteen, because a law they all ought to be ashamed of allowed whipping at fourteen. Sir It. H. INGLIS said they had just been told by one of the gnat orators of the house, and its greatest actor— (laughter)—that the sufferings of a boy of 14 or 16 when whipped were hardly to be conceived. lie had added that the pedagogue or ectooleauter, who had dared to touch his lured person, would —, and the hon. and learned mem ber bad left the rest to imagination. (Laughter.) Ile, in common with the hon. and gallant Etun boy who bad last spoken, had been subjected to a punishment in reference to which he believed he might look round the house, and ask, Who has not ?" (Laughter.) He would ask who liked any kind of punishment ? Tile question was not whether the punishment of whipping was lined, but, when youths had committed a crime or an offers°e of any kind, what was the best mode by which it could be redressed / Mr PACKE said that whipping was the law at present for boys of 16, when tried at the sessions. The question now wee as to eleanging the tribunal ; but the arguments hid been directed against the punishment altogether. Mr HUME bad been surprised to hear the hon. member for Plymouth (Mr. it. Palmer) advocate flogging for up. grows men. This was a bill for regulating the punishment of juvenile offenders. What would the public say when they found the house so ready to degrade persons just enter ing on manhood 1 It reminded him of the day when the corporal punishment of soldier was defended to the extent of 600 or 600, or 1,000 tastes, co the ground that they were a class of men who were not sensible to punishment, and that wee the only wsy by which they could be kept in die dello,. The house was by degrees convinced of the &not ity end brutality of these punishmenttand they were abandoned. Had not men from the ranks declared that many a good soldier had been destroyed by the first infliction of punish. meet—that in nice cases out of ten he was lost to the serv ice, and no longer fit to be trusted as a soldier ? Since the pass. log of the act of 1827 the number of juvenile offenders had been greatly increased. Mr. PLUMPTHE would prefer to see corporal punish ment confined to the se under fourteen, Mr. HEAULAM said that two arguments had been brought against the proposal: first that it ought not to he extended to culprits above fourteen; secondly, that the tri bunal was not a proper one. lie differed from both those arguments. If a magistrate could be trusted with the in fliction of this punishment on boyeof fourteen, why not on those of sixteen ? Tne evil of the punishment had been enlarged on, but no reference had been made to the treater evils of other punishments. Summary punishment was the most merciful course towards juvenile offenders. Mr. MUNTZ said he understood a bill was to be brought in giving the power of summary jurisdiction to a single magistrate; this he considered most improper, and a thing to be locked at with very great suspicion. He should have been disposed to support the proposition before the house, to prevent the contamination of boys in prison; but feeling the other objections so strongly, he had not been able to screw up his courage to that point, and had therefore voted against the bill all the while. He regarded trisl by jury as one of the greatest bulwarks of cur liberties, and he should ever oppose any unapt to narrow its application. (Hear.) Mr. HENLEY said the question before the committee was, whether corporal punishment should be extended to pe 'sons between the age of fourteen and sixteen. The question as to the propriety of flogging, as a punishment, was not before the en, and, therefore, he would not enter into that question. With regard to the extension of the punish. ment he would vote against it, and for this reason that pee loss cf the age of fourteen being considered as boys were Hinged with a rod, but in all probability that would he con sidered too light a mode of inflicting the punishment on a person of signet, and the oat would be used. (Hear, hear.) Now a person flogged with the cat would be marked for life, and he would not afterwards he taken into tha army. (Hear, hear.) Mr. SLANEY said he should vote against the extension of flogging to persons of 16 years of age, although he ad mitted that his bon. friend (Sir J. Pakington) was actuated by the best inteneions in what he proposed. (Loud cries of Divide, divide.") Sir It. PEEL said be wished to state, in a few entering, the grounds on which he should give his vote. At present he found that the law established a distinction between boys who did not 4 zee 04 the age of 14, and boys who were above that age. In the ease of the boy who did not exceed 14, the law tre eted him as a boy, and made him subject to corporal punishment, under the summary jurisdiction of two wagis. traces. In the case of the boy who exceeded the age of 14, true it was that he was not exempted frees corporal punishment; but they threw around him this sanction, that they required that the conviction should take place before the ordinary tribunals of the country. (Hear, hear.) It was now pre ,ed to endured this distinction, and to permit the boy, between 14 and 18 years of sge, to be subjected to corporal punishment at the discretion of two magistrates. He appre. bonded that before any such alteration of the law was made, which would, apparently at least, be at variance with the ' principle which of late years dictated a milder policy in th it criminal code, a ease of necessity should be made out. (Hear, hear.) He bad heard none such. (Hear, hear.) Ile thought it much better that the distinction recognised by I the iodation law should be maintained than that they should confound that distinction without any allegation to the ' necessity of so doing. (Hear, hear) He apprehended that there was a growing conviction that corporal punishment ought not to be inflicted except in oasis of grave necesaity— (hear, henr)—sod although adults were subject to corporal punishment, yet, upon their conviction, the judge. generally seta on the principle of selecting some other punishmeut than that degrading one. (Hear.) The committee then divided— ,r the proviso Against it B9-81 The eatearden of corporal punishment to persons between fourteen and sixteen years r (age was consequently rejected. Mr. BO U VERIE moved that the Chairman report pro. gnat. Mr. ROEBUCK wished to know from the hon. member (Sir J. Pakengton) whether, after the decision ea huth th e house had just come to, it would be worth while to proceed with the bill env further. (Rear, hear ) Sir J. PAKINOTON said that though he very much regretted the decision to which the committee bad just arrived, be would still persevere with the bill, curtailed as it war, becalm the other tarts of the measure would enable these, at least, to preserve juvenile offenders from that con. lamination in gaols which was the frequent cause of their ruin in after years. Mr ROEBUCK did nut think the bill could have any such eff.e., because the magistrates must 113 W either dia. inir the es offenders without any punishment at all, or send them to gaol. Mr. AOLIONBY said the hon. and learned gentleman had mialsken the bill, beeause it prod, sten as it now stood, it woull enable the magistrates to pod juvenile offender, to prison for a few days, as a punishment fur their offence,. But if the measure was given up altogether they would be commuted to poison, and wham remain in gal previous to trial ler three montu. (Hear, hear.) He there/.re I , (pe I the hon. gentleman would persevere with ths bill as it stood Sir It PEEL slid he could not eenceive a stronger proof than that given by the hen, end ►earned member for Cock mouth, that the sense of the house was decidedly agtinst the bed. The hon. member said: " Rae have bees isimbm dreg/slag la who have not been subjected to the ssubmiegise and seadasesent of the house—(iaaghtee)— sad see alter fasether they have expreeeed ea epi-ion ad verse Si the proposed jneistbetioa." (.. Rear, hear." sad laughter.) This was so very recoadits question; it was simply whether t►e Jarbdisuas of fllgging should he uteMled to boys between kourtson sad sixtooo. Mr. RUMSadd that la two divisions the majority was ria or seven and il the cabinet had beat taken ant the mead neat We ald I. tea cow haat bees carried. lir. IiTELLLOR said the hon. member for Droitaiieh bad, sins the last division, frankly admitted that the great object of the bill was to metre the power if the lash over those who oases under the jsuisdieties. If the hon. baronet were determined to premed he wu disposed to divide the house against that coarse. Sir G. GREY said tke house bad already decided oa the principle ofeammary jurisdiction on the question that the Speaker Austad leave tbe chair. It was gait* competent to the house to extend the jurisdiction after deciding against the prapend punishment. Atter a few words from K. BZIONT and Sir I, PALIXO TON, Claus I was agreed to. Mr. LAWLESS moved the Insertion of a clause exempt ing Inland from the operation of the bill. The hon. member stated that his principal reason for doing so WM that in Ireland there wee net the power of appeal which existed in this country. Lord NAAS thought the bill was more required In Ire ' land than in any other part of the United Kingdom, Willi' that so much contamination had arisen there from the over crowded state of the gaols. Sir J. PAKINGION said that when he introduced the limeade Offenders Bill in 1847, he was strongly appealed to by Irish members to extend it to Inland. He declined to do so et the time; bet in the following year a bill for that purpose pared ananinimuly. Mr. ROEBUCK said what the hon. gentleman (Mr. Law less) complained of was, that there was no unitornsity. He said that Ireland differed from England, inasmuch uthe I accused had not the power of appal. Sir J. PAKINOTON did not know what the hoe. gea amass meant by a power of appeal He wee not aware of the existent* of may such power. Mr. LAWLESS hed not the book before him. Sir J. PAKINOTON said that what the bon. gentleman called the power of appeal was no appeal at all. If the hon. member thought the distinction between the two arts of so much importance he scald propose a clause on the report. Mr. LAWLESS said he would bring it tip on the report. The preamble was agreed to, and the bill was ordered to be reported to the home with amendineuta. TENANTS AT RACK RENT RELIEF BILL. This bill wait through committee. MARRIAGES BILL. Mr. S. WORTLEY promoted petition in favour of this bill; Mr. F. MAULS, petitions against the bill, from Roth say, B.shops Wearmouth, and the ministers and elders of a preabyterian congregation ; Mr. COWAN, two petitions from Glasgow, against the bill ; Mr. LOCKHART, two petitions from the synods of Glasgow ar d Air. Mr. S. WORTLEY having moved that the houses go into commit ee on the bill, Sir F. THESIGER hoped the hon, and learned gentle man would not attempt to force on the pill at this late hour (a quarter to 12 o'clock). He had been expecting the bill to come on et an early period of the night. Mr. S. WORTLEY said that the present regulations of the house were such that it was almost impassible for a private member to proceed with a bill. He believed it was for the convenience of toe house to proceed. Sir F. THESIGER begged leave to move that this debate be now adjourned. Mr. RUME said that really the house ought to be pre pared to decide one way or the other. Mr. ROUNDELL PALMER thought it was not doing justice to the melees which &nutted thou on the other side, in wishing for an adjournment, as if no question was to be discussed which had net been discussed already. Mr. F. MAULE said that he had a motion that Scotland be excluded from the operation of the bill. This question which he had undertaken to move was the only question upon which he could really say that he believed Scotland was almost unanimous. He believed there did not exist a difference of opinion to any extent on the subject, and Scotland would be disappointed if the matter would be taken without full discussion. Sir B. HALL said it was very seldom that a bill of great importance aas brought on at this late hour; and, looking at this bill, it was the very last which ought to t e taken as an exception to the general rule. One thing he must ray, because he felt it most strongly. It was said, in re ' (creme to this proposition, that this bill was brought for ward for the advantage of the poorer and humbler classes. He denied that. Looking at the former act, which was the precedent for this. acei looking at the expense which had been gone into, he believed that this bill was not for the tooter classes, but it was for persons of a higher grade. He would not mention names, but he hussy the parties who paid the expenses of this act. Mr. COCKBURN said he did not understand why this hour should he considered a late hour. If this were an imp aunt polit c.l matter it would not be considered a late hour. He hoped that his hon. and learned friend would po rest in pressing on this matter, and getting into com mittee. S.r R. H. INGLIS said that he would join issue with the hon. member who had splken. He did not think that any advantage would be gained by their going into commit tee at that late hour. He held with the h3n. member for Anis/doe, that they should not go into committee. Mr. HOU VERIE agreed that no advantage would be gained by the it goine into committee at that hour. Mr. S. WORTLEY trusted that the house would so into committee, and then they mild adjourn its con , sid,ravon. Sir G. GREY thought that that prof sition was a reason able ono. Sir F. THESIGER said that he had no objection to their soing through one rags of the bill, if the hon. gentleman (Mr. S Wortley) would then agree not to discus the merits of the bill Mr. QOULBURN said that he wished it to be understood thatithere were many who had remained in the house in the expectation of this bill goinx into committee. After a few winds (rum Mr. Fox Mat:Ln and Sir R. R. Imous, TIN house divided— For adjourning For going iwo committee 152-63 Captain BOLDER() begged to more that the house do then hear.) Sir F. THESIOER said they were not going to discus the principle of the bill at that moment, and therefore be could ate ne objection to their going into committee. All that was then intended to be done was to take a stage on the bill. (Hear. hear ) Mr F. MACKENZIE saicrtbe;right hon. and learned gen. tleman expected to gain something by pressing his prop ni. Lion, or he did not. (Hear, hear.) If h- did not exp ut te gain anything, why persevere? (H e ar, h ear. ) Mr. F. MAIILE stated that be iris there to oppose the bill on every stage, at no person felt more strongly on the matter than be did. However, ke would not oppose going into committee at present. Mr. PLUMPTItE thought full opportunity should be given to discuss the principle of the bill. Mr OSWALD and Mr. WALPOLE declared themselves in favour of going into committee. Mr. R. PALMI3It thought the bill might be. advanced a stage by going into committee. Sir R. INGLIS said • great deal of time had been wasted in discussing whether or not they should go into committee. if farther divisions took place more time would be lost, and therefore he recommended the with• drawal of the propoaitiin for going into committee. (Hear, hear ) Captein BOLDERO wes determined to oppose the in every shape and form. He considered this bill the mist obnolioue ever introduced into that house—(hear, hear) — and he therefore would not give up a single point of opposi tion to the bill which the forms of the house allowed. (Hear, hear.) The house then divided— For the adjournment Against it On our return to the gallery we Sound Mr. FORBES moving the adjournment of the debate. The house divided—F.r the motion 4B Against it Mr. WORTLEY appealed to the house to allow the bill to be committed proforma, promising to defer discussion to • future occasion. After a few words from Mr. llnsithr. Sir G. GREY deprecated the oppasPion with which the hen. and learned member had room encountered, but thought that it would be futile to persevere further with the bill that evening. Mr. J. 8. WORTLEY withdrew his motion, and the de bate was adjourned. PARISH CONSTABLES' BILL This bill went through committee and was ordered to be reported. The other orders were gone through, and Um house ad journed at one o'clock. PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEES. KIDDERMINSTER ELECTION COMMlTTEE.—Yester day the committee appointed to try the petition against the return of Mr. Beet, the member fee this borough, assembled in Commit... Room No. 3, at 11 o'clock. The committee eionsisted of the Hon. E. P. Bouverie (chairman), Viscount Enfield, Mr. A. Stafford, Mr. D. Morris, and Sir W. Joi. litre. Mr. Serjeant Kinglake, Q.C., Mr. Edwin lambs, Q,C., and Mr. Parkes conducted the use for the petitioners; and Mr. Alexander, Q C., and Mr. Montague Chemben appeared tor the sitting member. The petition comolained of bribery and treating on the part of the sitting member. Mr. Serjeant Kinglake, in opening the case for the peti tioners, said that the constituency of the borough of Kidder minster amounted only to 181, and of these no fewer than 70 or $0 were publican' or beerhouse keepers. At the election is September, 1849, which followed the death of Mr. Gideon, the late member, Mr. Best obtained a majority of 17 over Mr. Gibson, by whom he had been ()mesa, but this a t sjoeli was composed entirely of voters who had promised to poll for the latter gentleman. lie would show that a system of treating hod been carried on for a month previous to the election, and was prepared to prove more than one case of gross and palpable bribery; and that these proceed. jags were carried on with tho full knowledge and consent of the sitting member. The learned gentleman then pri.cecileil to call evidence in support 01 his statements. Mr. James Naylor, clerk of the crown, proved the receipt of the pill books from the returning officer. J , hii Talbot Niekleram examins,l b y Mr. & t i llin g King. peke—Wu clerk lo an &Rotary at Kidderminster. Knew Mr. Bat, and had seen him canvassing with Mr. 'Mired Talbot and Mr. Chillingworth. Had seen him on two or Undo occasions walking arin•in-arm with Mr. Boycott, the them come out of the White attorney, and had Lion Hotel together Ingram Cobble, examined—Wm an Innk«prat Waster, and had wren Mr. Boycott and Mr. Chil'Minoru% asammeini for, and in the company of, the sitting member. Mrs. Mary Fsßowes, examined—W as the wile of il e t, ward PeHowes, a builder. Mr. Bet, scompanied by w r Boycott, had called on her to rs quest her to induce her Mo«. bawd to rote for the former gentleman. Thomas Tattersall, examined—Belonged to in re Or ecg , lodge. The were limo or six in town of Kidd erminster. The akin of the lodges were summoned by the masters to attend a meeting at the Hen and Chick' ass ihn for elm. tioneering pitmans. Was present at the meeting, whi c h was attended by Mr. Alfred Talbot and Mr. Boycott, who made speeches in t f Mr. Beet. There WU II mod deal of drinking going on, but it was andentood that nothicg was to be paid. Mr. Alexander here objected to the course the examination was taking, and Mr. Serpent Kinglake having replied, th e room was cleared. The committee ultimately derided th a t Mr. Sodium Kinglike should not prove any act of tr eat i ng until the fact of agency bad be en esta bli s h e d . Benjamin Harvey examined—Had been to the Grand Turk, on Button Common, the Monday previous to th e elamtkia. There were several friends of Mr. Best in ay sdatisoom, among whom were Mr. Pitt the butcher; and be was informed) Mr. Whitehouse Bust. There were pct • sitting round the table drinking, and :epeeenes were m in favour of Mr. Best. Was offer. d some brandy. Paid for nothing he drank, nor did any one else. There were as many as 30 persons present, but would not swear there were more than three vcrers ; but did not recollect clearly, as he had taken a little too much. Mr. Whiiehome Best and Mr. Pitt helped him down stain, and his daughter seendocted him home. The committee then adjourned. GOVERNMENT OF CEYLON,—The members of this committee re-assembled yesterday. Bir Emerson Tsnnent, Sir Dar d Dundee, and other witnesses hive been examined. It Is now more than a month since the committee reported progress. ghe etn)reos. OUTGOING MAILS. The mails for British North America and the United States will be made up this evening. The mails for Gibraltar, Malta, °nem, the lonian I.:ande, ggypt, Ceylon, India, and Chins, via Southampton, M made up to-morrow morning. The I ndia ` Marseille*, to tte M.4ttrrai.ear, Eqpt, ttpylon, Hong-Kong, &c., will be maJc tip clt the anemia.; of April 24. The mails for Lisbon, Spain, and Gibraltar win be made np on April 27. The West India Malls, including 13,rtou , itt, flavanoah, Nam, Honduras, New Orleans, and Mexico, end reel uelicg tines lot Madeira, St. Juan-de-Niettra.nia, New tiraowia, Chili, and Peru, will be made up on Met 2. Ins mails for Maderia, the Brazils, and Bun°, Ayrei, wade tap on the 4th of May. HIGH WATZIL AT LONIAIN 11141110 r. no. DVI—MMIVIrig, r., 411. LONDON, FRIDAY, APRIL 19. ONE of the most dangerous ideas that could gain poseespion of the minds of our governirg clue would be the belief, that Englishmen were not burthened with any grievous or exorbitant we i 4 lit of taxation, that the amount of re venue year l y ra i sed in this country is but a fair and rational am , tint, such as ought to be raised, and such as can be raised with , out retarding the prosperity or causing the suffer ing of the people : that far from our debt ~cd requirements rendering England a heavily taxed country, it, cn the contrary is in this respect leis burdened than its neighbours, and its ex penditure lees extravagant. Such is the philemphy of finance that a great city authority has thought fit to preach, and such the principle of which the Edin burgh Review, the great organ of the whige, thinks it just and a lee to assert the force and the truth. The principal argument of this optimist school of finance is, that accumulation has rot boon ironed by it; on the contrary the amount of capital and fixed property has signally increased of late years in despite of the burden alleged to retard its progress. There can be co doubt, indeed, that our population, and chiefly of course an industrious population, have from 1816 to 1850 increased tram between thirteen and burliest millions to twenty; and tha' the capital required to support and employ this increase of populrioa has augmented in about the same proporion. It is, how ever, impossible not to perceive at the same time that the fundamental sources of wealth have not increased in the same proportion with the artificial wealth based on them. The land is certainly more productive, but bat not in the proportion required of it. Colonial !sources, in the same manner, have increased, but by no means with the same sue •ees or in tae same proportion ; whilst the gains of industry and menu facture are not only much less in proportion to Ca pital, but far more fitful and irekcure. Thus although capital or fixed property may have doubled sitce 1816, it ie, at the same time, twice as diffi-ult, not twice as easy to earn, to live, and to prosper. Toe economists who vaunt our prosperity adduce the increased amount of property Witte ithed or inherited, upon which taxes are levied. They also adduce the in crease of real property assessed. Tne yestion is, how much of these are necessaries, and how much that surplus which offers a fair basis of taxation? Every family must have a house : a h use is not pro- ductive property ; some one must ply for it out of some other productive fund. Evers- family must have a certain capital to carry on any busin. as. The clues ' tion is, not the number of houses or the amount of ,capital, but the means for e.mfort over atel above necessaries, and for accumulation oe:r acd above in evitable expenditure. Now it is admitted on all hands that, as far as the labouring classes are concerned, however thee num bers have increased, and the capital spent on them been augmented, their means have sot risen. h . o. on the contrary, declired ; and the nece sity nu been found and admitted of exempting them. as tares can be done, from the emus of taxation. The yee - re arc not the middle and industrious class going the same war, and falling into the same predica ment? We very much fear that it is, and consequently, instead of king able to bear twice the weight of taxation, u Mr. NORMAN and the Edinburgh Review assert, we are inclined to think that it is at this moment not to well able to bear taxation as in 1816. Even were 'se so very prosperous, nothing is so easy as to test it. Let us reduce ell our indirect to direct taxation, and doing away with all insidicus and circuitous modes of filening money far the recalls. place a broad property tax upon our boasted wealth, sufficient to raise our sixty million of expenditure. And we should be glad to know how it could be borne. People may say that it is borne, for after all it is property that alone can pay taxes. It does so, indeed, but it does this, we fear, more and more by disinheritirg the lower classes of every particle of comfort and independence. andby grinding the middle and industrial classes almost to the same level. And this leads ns to another of Mr. NORMAN'S sophisms, by which he averts that we are a less taxed people than the FrenA. A ready answer to this is an appeal to the experience of any one who hu crossed the Channel, and who has settled as all soil. n i e n -b e a n & y t c h a e pa re c v i t e y nu o i i e r ef : d i. u .r s a t n r yon ea i Fc tib r;eh di rect taxation, and is based en the value and prodwe of the land, of which produce it takes a certain portion, just as we might take tithe or rent. These shiny, a at !cut five-and-twenty millions sterling of Frecch taxa tion does not weigh upon any one. They merely Vise the state in the place of the landlord, just as we plika the church in his place as far as tithes are con ned. And thu., although it abstracts a cer tain portion of the annual wealth of the country, a is not a wrong, or even an !plait burden upon any one's expectations, or exertion?, or Mein-try. The comparison, therefore, of the Eueiishnnen'e burdens with those of the Frenehman'e, er of the native, g any other countty, is quite preposterous, and nroceets upm altogether fable and direptive mem options. Another sophism in wh-eh cur &lucid optimists love to indulge is the amount of taxation, which they sly has been remitted. Thus, if the CtiAX CEI.I.OIt of the EXCIIEQUVR wsa to give up half the duty on the malt tax, and if the increase of consumption was to make up the supposed deficit to the revenue, sill these g,utlemen woald arom th at two and a hallos thr c millions of taxation had been remit.ed ; and t! us make up the Tutu of taxation to nitt. d to many tnilli,,ns. Now, the slaw.* fact is that .ltt milkmaid t et rev Imo we ic ritiOed the country in I ma, whilst in the essonouiio %Cif 1849 there were 49 millionetaireel. This is the true account of the remission of t.,xsti .n. In objecting to theme arum gra of a 'Awl wh: , is too much inclined to lull the veil iie ‘er-seee" . Y• and the governing claw s in ov. r cocci owe. 4 `' should add that the Elinhur.th R v eAcr does not the length of Mr. NOUJLAN'eI ep.imi.m. Instead d 1 00 ain s hioe die& r p oints drawb time • n atpt We r eview would presto' a nd th flit tI) the ill bedfell, Sty] s ome 1 1 Douse. (ureic in the 4 Sir WA ri cer, t. lion of of the c De ck co Sir JAN the dep favour will bee next y. the peel canvass quietud British few reti greater to disco simultal teem, ti of one I fifty mil The • • r a the 7eFithllfgla;dcrtt iganlYrn:sho e e aelfglin: r eposed rectors, j ea zues. at the I thirce 41 ItOek and are tel. ction Due car • day of • gentlem , Mg for to the • a yearlj the nth' the Indi, though u a regi lectively • public re every Elf pitting i For e cater fro 24 direct daily pal a interest" lowing LrruNt PETTY Esq.; 241 e To this I, t "proprie 1 letter of (the Indi t be preset tion in and ten! , o pared ac • all ballot • times one At 6 o'cic taken," ai " duly ele in the go India ; fo tad the e • Ws pi *Act IN nererthel, • plated j it • on the pt each as th calculated jobbery Jr defects an admittanc character The to Restive p most &ft rats for a berth in t election of Piet. Tbi of the Ind so humbly men" so e pines sal agefensib a little tl ma its billet of twitirar • A , be a sham. Althoug to devolve ladie s and Etat India hered then k ilt,' eons, it so re , tot tali I nations ti le East dote' its v oluntary Meat of wl lu mp , as t Stoutly, th, lt is rested 61 1', of (V the qualitie t l enten whc to preen, I People. _We are ai retort wi the int•i "agues, Pie of ch we a ce tanned to that ' jot t est have "sera. ' t Reed 'ill the e a t 1 :c "Pent, let have military o ltevLl! lea nrl nt ttn ; and i gocoship t broo g i . of hi s 'th reap er ,' Irdia . • or • Revernej full 4-0 aratleta t ! b e other of the r .f"ole ile a • , iat e it eat ip AI 'Downer, a • I