The Express. — London, England, 1850-07-16 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS —HOWDAT, JOLT 16. The how not at quarter past War **crook when Bares Motto (Sit Thom Witte) w istrodared by the Duke of NORPOLR (Bail Marshal), Lord Rataloosin. and Lord Door oak", sad took that oaths sad his seat, sad elmosid the partisan/my rolL ROYAL ASSENT. Tho /lapel Ammo was even esimsakeiso to do Stllow- Mil Ras: Pintas Read Mosey Rotes] ; Titles of Oolsoloademe ; Juhroests ((reload) ; Thralargo sad ha. ponsonesta Laud Advises, ; Shutt of Westmoreland Ap • Goma Hord of Health ; C.stt of Chummy ; 11.114•11. (Wand) ; Police lopeoutateot ; Sarsama MI Corporatism ; Yemeni Cattle Market ; Bolton improommoo ; Pool, sad Aberdeen Railway Js ids; Cambridge Regulation, Improotwont, Market, mid Mei Rost sad West ladle Dirks and BinMagiom hoollso Ralimw • Booth Yukettire, Doeaster, sad Goo!. IRAgwey harnalim;at ; York sad North Mullaod Railway ; Mosso. noshes; Salk Wake Railway Aoradatent ; D.biis *ea Drolikeda Railway ; Small sad Coyish Cow moo; Comes owl Wipes , Tarapike • Suserbridge Vales ANN ; BOWSSIS Doak Coosa, ; Viceloria London Dock ; rissypri“ Ouilelis sad Coke Coupes, ; Yak, Newootlo, sod Bawl* Rallsn aa rftamements ; City of NorwlelsCrittais Wachs; Zweee•l7 Railway; LoodasCitylmprovements ; North Emillooliffon way (tverdo. of boa); Stash Yorkshire, Diensow. and Goole Railway loprovremat ; South Steamed*, Railway Amendment; Kan Water works ' • Sinithamotoa Waterworks Waterford and Kil loony Railway ; Greet North.,. Railway Diniatioas; He roosyke aod Essaoat-htidro Tarapite ; (Doorstops. Mill. ill d Lancaster Torapthe ; Tye* Nevigatioa ; T:wer aid sad Leers Bad Amondoeut ; Monmouth shire Turnpike Roasts ; itoadiap Votes Waterworks ; Cu diff Waterworks ; Edialtarpli Slanskterbmaire Removal ; Gamow Turnpike Roads; Pnaneisa Mishima' Reaidesee ; Bo rock's or Player's &tato ; sod moral other priest. bills. The Lord. Cossabwkiaers were the Marquis of Lie Il• DOWNS, the Earl of Marto. sad Lord EDDISBORY. Their lordships theta adjourned Suring Floosie, and re mud .howdy after lee o'clock. Teo LORD CRLIICSLLOR (Baron Trot") took his seat on the Woolsack. LARCENY SUMMARY JURISDICTION SILL. Os the motion of the Marquis of /ILLUSORY, this bill was read a third time and pained. VESTRIES AND VESTRY CLERKS BILL. Os the motion of Lord BahI:OMAR, this bill was road a sosood limo. COUNTY COURTS EXTENSION BILL. Lord BROUGHAM had great satisfaction In redeeming the pledge which be had gives the last time the hoses met, as to the course ',bath he had suggested, and which had been adopted, of referrieg the important bill relating to the meaty nem and which was certainly one of the met im perm, bills which mild occupy their consideration, se • select committee—he had undertaken that no unneeneary delay should take plow, and he had then said that if he saw any modesty is any quartet to interpcm delay at es Ist. a period of the 'Moe. with • view to defeat the measure, aid not to improve it, he should at ones mars that the chair man report progress and bring the bill again before their lordships. He rejoiced, however, to say that he had been more than able to red's* that pledge, sad it was with peat satisfaction that he new reported the bill to the hem after only me sitting of the select committee. The commisebe had sat three hoary to-day, and they had dimmed every part of the measure which presented any doubt co difficulty. In fact, U they had dimmed it for three weeks, they could set have goes it a more ef6Seat consideration. He ► had to trader his thanks to his noble Molds who had served with him es the 'elect committee, aid be moat ales thank a loosed gendema—Mr. Herbert Lora C,ousel, tad judge of one of these bed Goons, lobe had melded the ermines and gives them the emistasee of his valuable ex perience. (Hear, hear.) No difficulties remained except on ens poiet, which before proseeding further with he should modem to his noble and leaned friends (Lord LI ndhunt mid the Berl of Cottenham), and hi. noble and learned Mead the most Lord Chancellor. Bet amoept the mead meats he had to dine attention to one which bad been sug gested by • sable friend oppaiite to give sonata pewees to these boil coon., not of desliag with amities generally, .but of filling up new trustees, sad thee la the ease of smell shanties, prevent the a .esseity of an applicatios to the Cowl el Ckamery. Perham it would he better to take 'the ant stage of the bill on Thursday in Mead of temonow, which would afford time to consider I the imeadmet. He looked upon this as on of the most jextresedisery sad useful measures that had ever been drought ham parliament, and it quite consoled him for the lees oda bill of a similar chancier which he brought hewird Is 1831 He maid merely add that any assistance jobb* he mkt give to his noble and learned friend in re spect to the Pub.:sal !mime of the Mese was entirely at his servise. PACKET STATION BETWEEN PORTPATRICK AND DON AO H A DE E. The Mande of LONDONDERRY moved far a copy of the confect issued into between the Post-office and the steam picket eseeposy for the reenyance of the mils he lves& drama wed Belfast. The noble samais watered llnto • istelled heeds* t, to show the isfenerity of the Medea between these plows and the tomer pachetotaden .between PeelpMeisk sad Damped's. If the alteration had sot been needle in the stations, the setidest to the Orion steemer, by whisk many lives were lost, would sot have ( lli re a tarquis if LANSDOWNE made an observation which was istudibk. t The Moguls of CLANRICARDE, who spcke sitting, said that, on the pen of the Post Wise, there was no *m ottos to produce the metric& to which the noble marquis alluded. I TM subject then d FACTORY BILL. The Duke of RICHMOND, in ia mooting several peti dose genet this bill, said that their lordships Maid be *made aware that the factory woken is this country were extremely and eagerl) anxious that they should have the Act, which was passed in the year 1847, carried out in its Integrity. 0a the motion of Earl GIANTILLI their lordships then west into committee on the bill. Earl GRANVILLE then said that if this was a bill for the lengthwise of new arrangemeets with respect to labour, it might be mosery for him to go at considerable length into the dismiss et hew far it was possible to promote the morel end plitsied advantages of the factory operatives by *Math* enactments. This was not a bill of that nature, 'sad he did not require much to trespass on their lordship' time, either in defence of his own Jodi ' *dual opinion., , or in opposing those held by other", the object of the bill surely being to obviate esnain unouvenissees arising out of the imperfect state of the present law. By the present law the labour of youest perms and women was restricted to tra hours on ordinary days, and to eight hour on Saturdays, and the limits within which they were to work were half-past five o'clock in the meting, and half past sight is the evening, on the first five days in the week, and half past five o'clock and half-past loon o'clock on Saturday. The proposal of the government mew was to limit the margin within which the work was to be done from IS hours to 12 hours on ordinary days. The Duke of RICHMOND was understood to say that' that would Interfere with their hours for mesh. Earl GRANVILLE said that by the bill they would have • full half-holiday to provide the necessary articles of Nod for the week, and foe latellectual or other improvement besides. It appeared quite dear to the government that they should not put ea them netrietionses Lbw for the bene fit of the operatives without giving NMI emeepoodlog advantage to the milkmen. 'Duey ask this really a ten boors bill both for the saillowsen end the eporatine the former of whom had the advantage of the lame of t he latter for 60 boon instead et Si, as nadir the present act. No doubt those who would 'ppm this bill would point to the agita tion whisk bed been pin on to show that it was not con . Mowed by them to be an ameptabN one. The proposal wee neeind by a large majority in the other house of par lk.esq sad although this agitation was going on it should be reesUessed that it was headed by a gentleman who had onmiderable experience in getting up agitations and wee assisted by another gentle's= who held a high position in the adections of the operatives, sad that it was encouraged by advice and mosey from political perVes in Lyndon to induce t h em to raise the plausible cry that it was the intra dos' of the government and the legislature is take away from the operatives the boos which they were promised by the act of 1847. (Hear.) He thought, how ever, that he was justified in saying that that seila dal was • Nam. Hs was of opinion that the effects of this bill meld be met iesprtant, and he would new make an appeal to the MN deM (Richmond), praying for his support. He meld sell ups. the sable duke to eoadake the mespesses of not posing this set, which would bs • vest Name in that, egitatkoe which was sow going me, to the detriment both .1 the millowser and the ope rative. Their refusing to peen this bill would give rise to q all those ueens. the rights of labour sad taL which had been es dimmed is other countries, sad would have the effect ed petting capital is vpsation to the 'cheerers, by when labour it wee Malted, and of doing injury both to the rei ll owners and the operatives. (Cheers.) Oa Clams 1 being Lord HARROW ea said that he, la addreeing their lordships ea this subject, did not wish to enter Into any pieties of polities' economy. He had to pro pos es an mouldiest that to the of parties who were not to be employed et an= before sin WM& is the monis( or after six in the erasing children amid be Melodist He solid hardly omens es what ground the excision of children could be defended. Their potectico had been the first object of past factory legislation, mid was that which had been considered to excuse later farms with the 'stand operation of the laws of polities' mosomy, seeing that of ell parties they were the lest able to pretest themselves. Their lordships would he told, perhaps, that this bill I. so way losited the am of shade's, mad that therefore there mild be no asemity be the legislation which he proposed. Preetiedly that was not the ass. The practical operation of the law had hitherto been that child/es bed not worked later than the period up to whisk young persons and females meld be employed. He was afraid that if Moir lordships passed this bill es it stood, saki*g it impeedble to 461 P 10 , yeeng persons and females ramp between those Men, they would stimulate masters to make • us of the mithig law to which they had not hitherto been drives, and to avail themselves of the 'Moor of Mildews before and after the hems lied toe the employment of ping persons and females; thereby exposing children to an amps of lordship to which they had shrank from exposing even thous who were better able to protect themselves. The hogs sad :osselided by moving, that In lime 10 of dime 1, Wire the words " mos pemene." shoal& be M. anted the weed " led ORAN VILLI wield asentiee at say *lk Isle the maim el the lasselem Theiritedeblps wets aware NM Ig wee the Inemeties tfthesMwl4. rea week reelay, some before and some ahoy Mame sad ebjestiel to ere amemilmeat wee, that Ike passim bill wee oily deelaramey, sad wily related to a perils of the minim law. If • sew ▪ teem Wei pampas& the &amines: might be worthy of wenn emsliseelles • bat, sad.. the eiresiestasess, it would be iessenklest with the sliest in view. Mid KINNAIIID mid he bad bees informed that tea mills, at least, weld be immediately set to week la the isanisat headed by the noble earl (Hanewhy) if the till la the t shape. He did am think the tof the earl stall laterfued wit'a the prie st:eel the bill. BTANLIY was sesiess to who the reissue why M sesta see support the amseintent. The APO of • logielsture shoal/ be to eosins Ake Demi% whisk It less seeded (wafer by the factory kelolaties ef 1844 sad 1847. Bat eite dietlastiss hawses the seem of yam poems .ad of slalom wee very breed, Mel with re out to the misessal ow& with velord I: the Ow *it en whisk nihnsties of doe law wee weeks. His noble Mend es Ma seem Mashes had set draws with sea. 'hat atenney Ike line ties between relays and AIM. TM peat mil z Visod of with mud to shillemm that seder Ask pug pro sad Modes wise re- Seised at er the AM for a sorb Mew paled its It bailees isessisi Met Meg dwelt le, agile" am= drunk OM week ill net sassed et: hems, yet they did am sheds the bees& el the relanalies emits shy he mental impremsoest supposed to hem been ism tiered by the aim of 1844 end 1847. Though they oaths M unemployed daring • pante ef the day, yet they midi net avail themselves of say of the time samenpled. His web Mead had talked of the relay wawa a. ea chew. l He (Lind &Leaky) had sew mineesed that it wee an abuse. (Hear, bear.) It wee essesmplated by the set of 1847, because witheat it the whole wait if the all must necessarily stop, net at the espintion of 12 Mem, bat of 6i hoses. By the existing law childres might be worked from the epsuiy of the mill until dinner-time, bet thee fee the nailer se the day they would not be worked et all Lord _ said, that by the set el 1844, the ttkYt s was sot contemplated, arbors. as the relay gal= ma actually meted sad as- Ilhasitad. As regaidad dbildres, the relay system was did. Om* sad dirndl, MlabilehmL Usder the ezieliag set 111 ig bt be mph's& either six boars sad a halt bet▪ tor, or six bow OM a MU atm diary; their week Mr_te spread owe dams hware—from Warm dm t. eight. 1/bat kis adds friend pregosed was, that thislienild be limited be *ewe six se Whom fIV. ; sad he amid am but think that the aside lead's (Lord litsaleVe) ebjeedwa le the proposal, maideries whit be Massif ma prepared to de, reesable4 Ma " w= gr a o t a gang sad in a semel." He (Lord W ) mat admit that, twin this bill ss it steed, &Wm amid net be is a worse ratios this they bad beta. The pi* lege of employisg ipso belt-past sight would mit eaimpertaat or without its value to msaufseturers,• bat still he thought the greet majority se them wood* Aar. tally went to the asseadmeat. Dike cißlClTleab said that if the ameadateut had bees very generally desired by the operatives it would surely have been Cathodal is the bill brought in by Lord Ashley ia the other house. He was, however, eoWsly in favour of the principle of it, and were it broaglit ia sepa rately front his own proposal ha would willingly support it, as it would not then hamper the cue with additkinal di/R -ealties. The Roil of LIARROWBY, in replfiag, observed that in all the petitions presented on the subject of factory labour, quite as much stress was laid en the protection of shikken as on that of females and _pug persona The Bishop of OXFORD was cantons to cell the aner don of the noble lord who bad moved the amendment to sae view of the subject which seemed to nap bins. The noble lord had premed, with his mecuMemed ability, that the veer sere ought to be dimmed on the prieelple whether or not they bad kept faith, as to the legislation that had already peered with the working clams, or whether there had been as infringement is the agreement made. (Hear, bear.) Now, technically s peaki n g, this was a new boon gives to the children ; but taken in a higher view it was not (Hear, hear.) Because the set, whether passed with the amend ment of the noble lord, or as the other bcnee had sent it up, mated a new evil foe children. Now the evil we, this—relays bad been essounged fora wise purpose, because relief was afforded by the children working morning sad evening is alternate sets ; whilst the shift system was eaku brad to toad to the nods that women and young penses would be compelled to week at present as long as they wen under the old set. (Hear, hear.) la point of feet, there would be no boos to either children or elders; bemuse the children being essepelled to reveals two hose sad a kelt after the anion, the quiet and repose of the family circle seetki not be maid to have settled until after the lapse of that time end the return of the children to their homes and families. (Rear.) Their lordships then divided, For the amodatat—Contents Noa.contasts The Dale of RICHMOND. in aseviog the amendment of which he had gives notice, said he heard with considerable surprise that his noble hind opposite had desisted that, in the event of his (the noble duke's) amendment being I serried, it was the determination of her Majesty's government to abandon the bill altogether. (Hear, bear.) Now, he did not conceive that to be a parliaseuesty course : but in any use he was prepared to relieve the noble lords on the pennant benches hen all difficulty la the case. H. amend their lordships that U he should emend in carrying his amendment, mad that her Majesty's solaisten did abandon it, he was prepared to tsk • charge of it himself, aid also to get his ngble friend Lord John Mennen to take =nit in the Common; sad then they would see if it not be carried. (Heir, hear.) Therefore noble lords sped net be alarmed, lest the bill might be lost for want of sow person to take charge of it. He asked their lordships to make so change, nor to iaterfer• in the hours of labour. He asked them not to abridge the hours of labour except to the extant istooded by thee act. (Hear, hear.) He asked for no favour, sot for the alteration of • principle; but he called upon then In their public capacity to do that which in their prints they would not hesitate a moment to perform. (Hear, bear.) He called on their lordahips not to break faith with that large portion of her Majesty's subjects., the factory operatives. (Hen, hear.) Their lordships should Ito aware that, after • struggle of twenty or thirty years' dentin, the factory operatives sumeedad In 1847 in obtaining the Ten Hours Act, whisk they considered to be the groat charter of their liberty. (Hear, hest.) Feeling it to be such, they, like English and independent men, told the govern ment that they (the gastronome) Intended to give them, sad did give them, that act in its real and true spirit. (Hear, hen.) Bat now what did her Majesty's ministers mean to do In consequence of the recent decision of the Court of Ex chequer ? Some millowners—a minority. he was glad to say—discovered • clause in the act of 184 e, of which they took advantage, and turned to the shift system, a system the most prejuricial that the cupidity of man ever invented. They were brought before a bench of magistrates and fined ; but, on the advice of eminent counsel, they took airings of • point of law, went to the Court of Exchequer, where, unfortunately, they were swops hl. (Hear, hear.) Hs asked his noble friends opposite, as also en the noes beaches, it this decision of the Court of Exchequer had been in favour of the opera tives Instead of against them, he asked did they believe then was • single peer in that house, or Individual outside of it, who would have ventured to propose the repeal of the par titular clause, or the diminution of the hours of labour as set down by the bill ? (Hear, hoar.) He, therefore, asked them, as honourable men, could they take &dressage of their own saran is the set of th eir own framing ? (Hear, hear.) The factory operatives called on their lordships to maintain the solemn pledge, and keep inviolable the promise they had solemnly recorded. He would not, at that advanced hour of the evening, delay their lordships with extracts from the reports of the factory inspectors ; but he would remind noble lords that the inspectors reported that the Ten Hours Act worked well, (Haar, hear.) The clergy of the various denominations bon testimony to the fact that the morality of the working classes bad been much improved, and that the evening schools were better end far man usefully sad regularly attended. (Hear.) It was also • fact that the de mand for 6.1 d allotments had been much on the hialtiO4 thus affording healthful and pleasing exercise to the opera tin, who formerly rushed into the excitement of the beer she (Hest, hoar ) Tho physician reported that the of the factory operative was mach improved ; and he Manion asked, when everything was going on with such oppanat satlafoctios why their lordships were to take ad wing, of the quibble of a lawyer in an act of parliament to the detriment of these laborious, but peaceful and loyal meat (Hear, hoar.) In their pension they told their Inkhips that under the kroner state of Mop, themselves, Mask wives, sad children were happy snd contented. Ths noble duke concluded by moving an amendment, the eons as had been moved on a previous occasion by Lord John Manners in the Common—" That half after 6 AM* be substituted for sir, whin' will, In point of fact, math the measure a too boon bill." (Hear, hear.) Earl GRAN VILLE memPained that the noble duke lad sot rightly described the paition of affairs when he made it appear as thou/ s t o le government took advantage of • slip M ftrive the operatives of the boon they lad ems- Mon se them in 1 lbsEhleop of RIPON said he felt gust eneourapasent in thee feet that all the evil progoostications uttered during the poem they wen lateusiag for the, Ten Hours Act had failed, whist the meet OlOgOill• expectation of the benefit likely to be menfaned by it had been more etas realised, and the fears of Ms lestsey iiepeelme fail, quieted. That act had induced mash to the prommedget of the moral, social, phyaletal, and nips= sunlillon of the operative clams in the dithien (Hear, Mar.) Educatio• had pro end he had been sworn that In the parish of Leeds also HO night ono& had been established sines of ton Men act. (Her, hear.) t ire = the that it wend greatly tend to aggravate dissen tient between the lomengs and the men, If the operatives won disappoimmil la obtaining what they believed to bo their just sod righteous claims, and what It was the un doubted istontios of the lsgialatun to secure to them. (Hear.) Lord WODIMOUSE said that a peat responsibility at tached to their dosisiou on the present ootealos, bonus all most feel that, at the.peaeeat time, questions affeetiog the working demo essenned • serious and grave importasco. But • pod osenMarstions had been introduced which did rat peeper) to the subject. Her Majesty's go verment had sesned of • breech of faith is Mendes irg this measure. But If fist mostesstion was true of the government measure, It was equally troll of the amendment of the noble duke ; now his amendment, no lee an the government properties', was a departure in many respects from ths bill of 1. (Hear, hear.) He believed that they wonld be seise unwisely if Vilayndiestil wie the hal as peoples& 'by boo s esas* whisk, keel teat* "Smoot silty somas of tie ofiof logoom devoid Mai& of the opotothea. (Own.) _ Lint IFETSIISRAIII Nig it we set 1, merest toppeeru idea to Nato that the iertemere wait : e Nesivoilwith se tistaeheet by the opereelen. Tee with hod beau mantled to ties hear MS the a Losizt: t t eN d sad Oki haperlast lasauflasturher .hewed duo they wield be disatkled will swede& lest them UN tea leen bilLi p le . :2g th; i str ep ' pelts Mal Grey) who had r. Ass 1847 wield ost eoesiesetly hi inter piled*. ad mete ea the prowl aeries is ea alleleat tee Mew' bill. (Hear, beer.) Bui GREY emblem& the eireuesseater seder whisk be had supported the adsteel bill—areamesesee with did sot at all pesetas Ida le 'Wag his adhesion to the mesas awns. Lor — dIiTAIILIIT Sought that if the t hill wire passed it wield de geed Injury to the feral Wires% of bosh =Oster' sod employed. If they rejoined the aweadsest of las sow disks. they woad .... 4 6.4 .:e 5t as "ad to the 11111=111601111 wattle( el tke prisms sad renewed sgleseloa woo be the isivies eissaisena; el any further dairy s sealement the writes. The Bishop of 1141/40a1ISTia was hosed, is.. kis uprises* in the essanisetorkg &striae, to 'one M s die iniseiesily smoke ocnoineiss feels that arriood at toy Lwd Broaley, sad amid ant theonese• smart inewhoset. Thellishopil OXFORD add that es Ite Wheat anted woke pert la the dobeleets this sable* bi Intim temenwiees to say stew weeds new with rippeorstt to is. It wwwwil to bin that their Isiah* hod w.N.red him the pint beim thaws. The gnostion. ht his *pinks. was srhe the bill. willing the osiendnieat, was or wee set s tassel of the orwigsin wowed fate with ON operative dress is 11147. U. ihoosla k wee, and he fat he etaald set he gilded by the ernweense of expeaiosey be had heard, to Wiwi kW to eels is favour of the proposed ..care. It seemed to hi. to bin a direct breath of faith, sat s violation of the sageganent with the working dosses of the routs,; and he would not therefore support It. The ailvsatsge propelled to he 'inferred ea the inillowsers was very ma. bet net w ont jeitify a tweak of empaet with the poor Wawa Wipes emit a subject . this. The /Witt reatreaa oaseladed by 'eying he felt bound to give his support to the unessi , sent. fit; Magas of LANSDOWNII said the ad of the ellaBllll, Moat felDefkabr i e it ual who had bees fries& sad 'theft who had has easaalea of the Ti. Hoare NUL Ameeget these stood esospinan Len Ashley—(hear)— whose sunless fee tho list 17 years, at the smaides of time, Mentease, and se:inlay that might have led him to the attaisimeat et other eels, had unremittingly wad palaver- Wyly proved kiss to as beet the friend of the operative classes ;—Laird Ashley, after t masa, his great abilitiessad knowledge upon the gabfest, had introduced clauses in the bill for the to asking snaky to the operative classes. It was fond to be impassible to give that security. It was ems thing to give it by as may words is an act of parliumeat, bat It was cola soother to have it carried late efface. For the benefit of the opsrains thamelas, Lord Ashley bad swam forward on discovering that last ad gave the bill his support. To a. vat to this Malement made by the right rev. prelate as to the violation of a alleged to have been entered into 1 with the eperada alaaar, he (the Marquis of Leasdowas) wished to state duly that parliament sot al y had a right, but that it was Moir imperative duty to legislate now apse the abase, lad sot all misoomeeption at rec. He bad hosed Me Malenate MI6 by the right rev. prelate with semossrptiee. The operating had sesested to give up half as beer • Lay for fire days sine week, mad the measure was etiolated to meet the vine of all parties. Half an hoar in the day might be • smell matter for the operatives to give up. but it was of very gnat lapertaace to the saillowters sad masafratarens to gain. I their mackinevy stood still for bailor eves a quasar of an hour they might lees isfaitaly more by it thaa mould be gaited by the employment of labourers for may sddi anal hours daily. They had invested large capitals. sad it was d vital importaace to the operatives as well as to these that tho matter should be defleitively settled. It was not only foe the aterest of the tableware but of the satire population. whose life de pended spot the manner I. which the capital sad insehinesy of their f 1200711111 were worked. Parliament was bend to legislate span the subject and with as little delay as possible. They penned to relieve the operatives from a law which permitted the istroduction of the shift main which actually defeated the very übj get of the law itself. The bill conferred a very great boon upon the operatives, and it would be productive of the greatest edentates as it met the views of all parties. He trusted their kodablpe would, so far as they could by their vote that sight, put an cal to that whin bad been a sauce of so mach heart-butting dissua sion and leaf/satin. (Haar.) Their lardnips then divided— For the iseadaseat Against ft 62-13 The bill thou pared through casualties. Other bills au the table were forwarded a stage. aad their lordships 'tamed at tau Veloric. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAT, JULY 15. The 8 PRAM took the chair at 12 °•sleek. PRIVATE BUSINESS. - - - -- - -- Loans' AMENDMENTS CONSIDISID. —Newcastle-epos- Tyne and Culla* Railway; Shipwrecked Fishman' and Mariam,' Benevoleat Society •; SECOND RILADINO.—The Bishop of Load's (St. Michael's Church, Chester-equate) Estate Bill. LONDON (CITY) SCHOOL FOR ORPHANS OF __ _____FREEMEN BILL. Mr. MASTERSIAN haring moved the second reading of this bill, Mr. Alderman SIDNEY moved, as an amendment, that the bill be read a woad time this day these menthe. The bill was to repeal the potters of the 13 & 14 Geo. 11., and also the act of 10 Geo. IV. The funds clearly belonged to the poor of the City of London. In the preamble of the act 10 Geo. IV., it was stated that they were to hold those funds for maieteinieg and educating poor children, the sons of freemen. The principle of thee' ac's had continued till the present day, and the funds had accumulated. As he felt that great injustice would be done to •he poor of London if this bill were allowed to pass sub silentio, he was now ►ere to oppose is progress. He unhesitatingly stated that the corporation of Leaden had no claim whatever to the control of these hinds. He opposed the bill now a second time, the object having been to alienate those funds which by right sad justice belonged to the whole of t►e poor. Mr. MASTERMAN regretted that the hen. alderman a►enld have felt it his duty to oppose the bill. He supported the bill. — Mr. C. PEARSON said that thia bill had passed the Hons. of Lords with the approbation of the Lord Chancellor, who had approved of the scheme, and he hoped the house would allow the bill to pees the second reading. Mr. W. PATTEN considered the objections to the bill could be such better dealt with in committee. Mr. LABOUCH ERR also thought that the objection. might be easily eossidered by a committee of the house. Mr. Aldermen SIDNRY persisted la his amendment. _ ___.... Pot elm ainentlaind 7 Per the bill .e... 46-38 The bill wu ilea read a simosd time. PUBLIC BUSINESS. MERCANTILE MARINE BILL. _ . The houssWetitinteeOZnitteeonatle 1;i117 A desultory conversation ensued WI to the propriety of re laxing the registration regulation, provided by the bill, in the sparse of which. Mr. ANDERSON proposed an amendment, which ha cos tended would remove certain restrictions which had weighed heavily for fourteen or fifteen yenta both upon the shipowner sad the seaman. He moved to strike out Hawes 24 and 25, and to insert the following : " And be it enacted that, from and after the let of January, 1861, so much of the said Gene ral Mu heat Seamen's Act as relates to the keeping of a register of seamen shall be and is hereby repealed." Mr. LABOUCHERE opposed the amendment, contend ing that although the registration tickets did not effect all that he could wish, still they were the commencement of a good system, and therefor* eould not be diepessod with. Mr. RI CA supported the amendment. Mr. M'GREGOR opposed it, believing that the Haus sa it stood would work well. The eentauttee divided— For the clause 46 For the amendment Mr. RICARDO wished for a pledge from the right hon. gentleman, that tome measure lot dealing with the whole system of registration would be brought is early nest sestion. Mr. lABOUCHERE was not aware that any net of psr liantest would be a for the purpose ; but It was the intention of the Board of rade so soon as they should have before them the ammeary information, to take steps for placing she system of registration on • safisfactory footing. The cLutse was than agreed to. Clauses 25 end 26 were also agreed to. On clause 27. Mr. WAWN asked a question as to the appointment of the 'hippies officer ; which Mr. LABOUCHERE replied that to all ports where there wee sufficient trade to rt gob.* a shippiog officer, local boards would be established, and these would have the power to appoint the shipping officer. lar. MOFFAT moved the omission of this and the five following clauses, on the ground that they imposed on the awi n g , interest anew burden and new obstructions. ffr. LABOUCHERE thought the establishment of ship ping officers was one of the main adventagse which this bill gave to the merchant After some conversation, - it -- - eti tlUt Mr. WAW nor the chairman report progress, sad ask leave to sit again; bat this motion, at the same tioa of several hes. ambers, was afterwards withdrawn. The committee divided— For the of the clause Against Mr. Mollit's auks was comatensatly bet. The haus renawd, the ohaltuan rusted and the hones adjouraed at a quarter put 3 t o 6 o'crorieg. The how resumed at 6 - o'clock, and the Speak er was ha smodlately afterwards reasoned to the Romeo of Loris to but the royal asssat gives by commission to certain bills. SUNDAY LABOUR IN THE POST-OFFICE. Oa as &mutates !stem Lord MARCUS HILL appeared at the bar, and yid—i have bad the homer of waiting oa het Majesty with the ad dress of this hoaosrable how to which her M a j es ty h as bora pleased to rotors the following gracious 'rimer : I have reaped Jon aft" ravine that I wilt num an twit, to be made whether the anneema et Sunday labour In the Pewt-utnoe might not be eacalderably illminkhen without completely puttinw all end to the eallection sma thaw, of hut yr on a Nutolay; and I have gheeWawa= that mil islarisy shall be lostittuedL (Um.) LEON SISAII VI SIMILS or WAR. i Sete& petltiese Imlay bees preestatt4 Os the Intim el Mr. WAWIIt, tbie the follbill na lliri e. wen ordered :• --" AS Ire. week, swing their lens razizt power, the geas they ere planed Su, the gess ere teg wry, the height of the allitip pert whom see, the 'reality et ode they slew, end their diet, the saghlei soi lellep : Meoplaveerdered for INS the ream they yen not pse es bond : Mires merle sal per what : sad, implies of repeeenet the twe eeperhensi Idol es to the Obese el ebet ea the Or.. WI emetisetel Jut nob ezperlreent.." AUDIT OF RAILWAY ACCOUNTS. _ _____ Mt. H. SROWNBoard of Trade whether the imeismest proposed to MMus, my ether bill for the better srol of railway sesessio ? Mr. LABOUCHERN 1k Ile tension wee whoth3r, la the mat otaides d psdimmed. &NW in mates any ether ? Whoa Is Issenstistl tbse be had failed Is belsologlM goad's lairs Me Mess ell Illeasst of the proem ad Ober Misus e he mos ttstrlNq M give say pledge. TM siesmilmest should amiss, to orsapy hit attestioe_, 111 r. 11. BROWN pee seem that es as early day sent mei= he orealdi_elme_bedies the how the adoalair.ratios of railway Wain 011 k. CUSTOMS UNION. Is some to a los by Mr. Swum.% Lord P N stated that some aerapos4seso wo. is wpm the various (lamas mom 111110,11 the eeseempiesell recesareetles of the Zoftersis emisig le;goe. &owe Aswan were oadetwood to be wwwweisted by toe eembissi pollen ; bet the wore of thew Ames, or their probable Abet area the eseeaterce et tbh trawatry, wee sot yet eioartsisable. FRENCH OCCUPATION OP ROHL __ —___ ____ .. . Mr. 13.00CiiiiiliwisitiaTe knew,frowt Tbs7lsantary et Stets far foreign affair; whether any rommetrasse had Won made by her Majesty% geretwatent to the French go vernment acalnat the roadased escapades of Rome ? Lord PALMERSTON—No ronowetrasee has boos made by bur Makatea goverment. METROPOLITAN COMMISSION OF SEWERS . Lord DUNCAN asked Lord Zortngtoa the following questions: I. Why the Metrapailien Cbssodrahmers Serum whin on the Skil et Nowerafte, ISO. Wm made Weolaw emele. the eke of Omemmt, zed Wood the Mirirsos lAA tiko ova I,MIN. a poor At lb. Wry sod travollo, swam of gash ollsor„ gala* so. amool lis Mown Yoe As moo of As foonoliboaf ebni they aloolol Itoo ler. Pods Italts. orll so ontbool Min ▪ lho lAA of hiseary. elk, hakes eleineed al re a re. kw sad messislol ospeoloslomil. duo powor ot As solopoyess to aiftst warn samskement, endow lie eel 11 Is II eke, a. 112, had ettskedt—S. tYpea elk eulteetk, meld er wefts% Me arrow. Men hemedsimsra et Boma imp/ So moo of Ass fonlotdool oetspoully asmomosi so Mils. nook Imist Ye Mr. Wu* Yorker !- 71. Whelk Mew aid to the retire (/hediast Pow No. 4111, at aid UNA) se Feu solo !!niter ougloosr, Am of the per ie=abrheemowesed es Mr. Trak Peeler. mg esterqueetlyar aisrupasea ommigierract Semen as Freak Peeek▪ ra Whether the eesteear M. keteepolltaa Commie. keen et ammo k sem pink es the kr. kande ranter who valued the Osee rears et las request of James Mary Wars, aw aed wheels &soakag, as a la peso 77 of the appeal ot °Small r. Attwood" k Se I= r of Lords! Lard EBRINOTON was miseesoot to 'sewer to the various viewless, that the earawbelewere bed found oat their mistake. sad sormeted it ; that Mr. Freak Foster and Mr. Fmk Forster wire the same person: and be trusted that the report of the ovidessa referred to might be Mo ron/161y ismotigotod is the proper quarter. THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 16, 1850. PUBLIC SALARIES. Ms. P. WOOD,sitit7;;;;; of tie — g;lect Committee on Pees in Courts of Law, liked the Chancellor of the Exche quer, in the absence of the noble lord at the head of the government, whether, as the Lord Chancellor had been appointed, and the committee in 1848 had recommended that all °Sas of the Court of Chancery should in future be paid by salaries, that reeomesendation bad yet, in any legialative issasser, been acted spot ? The late Lord Chancellor had, before the report, recognised the principles of justice by a private arrangement be tween himself sad several of his officers who had received such upstate. Re directed that his private secretary whose income was 1,2004, should receive cal; 3001. He directed the Secretary of Baokrupte whose income was 1,8001, should receive only 1,2001, ind that 6001. should abide the Chancellor's order, and he directed that two gen tlemen of the bedchamber, who would have received 1,2001., should receive 7001, should pay 2001, and account for the eurples out of the fee fund. AU these were mere private smarmiest. which were determined by the cessation of the Mace of Lord Chancellor, and it was important u to this eiretunstance, and there being six secre taries to the Lord Chancellor, that be should mak this question, which he now put, admitting the inclination of the government to effect useful reforms, whether Reverential could mare the house that every art pWatment to be made by the Lord Chancellor would be sub. jest to revision, with reference to the oontiaaanoe of the ofike and Ito smolemests? and whether government in tended to introduce a bill daring the Mont session of low limiest for the abolition of useless aim in Chancery and the paym rat of Melees salaries ad tees Lord J. RUSSELL said that any appointment made by the present Lord Chancellor would be subject to any abolition of aloe which parliament might de sire. As to the fleeced questioa, something had passed between Lord Cottuthus and the present Lord Chancellor, sad be was not are what was the ultimate effect of this wastaisaiestioa, sad therefor* it was aot is his power to Ova iolormatioa aa to tlutobtict. SUPPLY OF WATER TO THE METROPOLIS. - _ Sir D. L. EVANS asked the noble lorJ, the member for Bath, when the appendix to the report on the supply of water to the metropolis was to be laid before the hone*, and when the evidenee would be available ? Lord ASHLEY said that a amaiderable part would be ready for presentation is tea days. THE LORD CHANCELLOR'S PENSION. Mr. HUME observed that six weeks ago be bad pat a qualm to the noble lord respecting the pension of the L trd Chancellor. He wished now to ask, was the Lord Chan• eellor an hie retirement to racily. she same rate of pension of 6,0001. a year am the other three were now receiving, or w►ether any other arrangement had been made ae to the present Chancellor. Lord J. RUSSELL--He has taken the dace subject to any alterations that may be made by parliament. He did not my that be wee prepared to recommend to parliament any alteatlon of do pension. ATTORNEY'S CERTIFICATE BILL. - - - - - ----- Lord M. GROSVENOR moved the wooed reading of this ►ilL The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in moving the rejection of the bill, adverted to the canvassing which had taken place cut of doors, and observed that if the house was prepared to repeal taxation to the amount of 100,0001., there were many other taxes which had a preferable title to remission. These licenses were not more objectionable than others, and if this duty were repealed because it affected an influential body, it would be impossible to retain other simi lar duties merely because t►e parties paying them were weak. The general charges of the profession would not be reduced by the repeal of this duty, so that the public would not receive the slightest benefit. Mr. Mullins and Mr. Monts spoke in favour of the bill, and Mr. Bus against it. Mr. GOULBURN remarked that there was nothing mom fatal to the revenue than for individual members to propose the repeal of a tax which, though small in amount, in volved a principle applicable to other taxes. He opposed the bill. Mr. BRIGHT said that although on a former occasion he had voted in favour of the bill, he h►d lace considered that a revision of taxation Rust take place next session, which would be the fi.test time to take all taxes of this chi radar into consideration, and upon this hypothesis he should vote with the government. _ . Cal. BIBTHORP (with great solemnite)—The minis terial fit bon the hon. member. He is looking fora place. (Cheat laughter ) Lord R GROSVENOR said a few words in reply, which were rendered inaudible by the impatieave of the holm. The house divided— For the second reading 'Against it ln —l7 ECCLESIASTICAL COMILISSION BILL. The house went iota committee on this bill. _ _ Oa clause 15, Sit B. HALL (who was indistinctly heard in consequence of the number of ambers leaving the house after the divi don on the Attorneys Certificate Bill) was understool to sapthat be wished to have some information as to the mode is which the amount of archbishops' and bishops' in comes was ascertained, bemuse he feared that the returns were calculated to lead to very false interences on the sub , jest. The secretary to the commission had admitted, in his evidence, that the returns made b 7 the bishops of their were fallacious. He perestred that they drew a dW ,, entie between net and gross Income, and he wished to know In what the dilennee consisted / Lord J. RUSSRLL replied that the oomniieslotien had b its:red inquiries upon She subject, and their returns were upon the inforwiatlon aS obtained. It was upon those returns of the average value of the property in each ease that the cowippuloonrs had fined the amount of in- B. HALL wished to know why, in the ease of the Bishop of Oxford, 8741. had been in addition to the 5,0001. flied by oiler of the conualialoners Lard J RUSSELL—The principle on which the Eccle siastical Comraiseion fixed the sum to be paid to each bishop was according to the average income of the me for a certain namber of years previous. In the ease of the Bishop of Oxford it wee found that the avenge exoseded the 6,0001. by the amount stated, the melts of the year subsequent to the order is council hula; been greater than those of the previous years. Tho object of the present clause was to make a new arrangement for the Adam, by which the sew paid would cadet no eireuntstawne be wee or lees than the amount flied. Sir J. lallAY, referring le a statantrat made on a pre vious evening by the hots. member fur liarylebone, desired. oa the part of the Bishop of Oaford, to offer some explanation. That right rev. prelate stated that after he had been pre sented to the see of Oxford. he was informed that, by a new arrangement made by the Bonlesiutleal Commission, that he would not be allowed to hold any other church preferment, and that he would be expected to reside in his diocese. The five previous bishops had all held extensive church prefer meat its commends as, and so holding it, had very rarely re sided In the diocese. The present bishop, oa succeeding to the biabliprio, found the episcopal residence destroyed, and the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, by an arrangement at once economical and just, awarded to the bishop 3,6001. to render the eplsoopal residence habitable, and afterwards 1,3001. was granted in addition tentative apablie-house which overlooked the house end grounds, making 4,6001. slither. The bishop baring received this sum, laid out 1, 1, more In the building, and be applied to the comm ies nen to make • further advance, but they refusal, advislog him to borrow the money on the mouthy of the revenues of the see. All who were acquainted with the rubject would bear witness to the exemplary conduit of the bishop, kb tilloiont perform sate of Ibm dodo of hie Odds, nod hie ready sooneibility to hie derv. (Load edam) With regard to the giddies beer. the home he wee deeded], is favour of the Whop's receiving/ e axed WWI of a varying Isom', sad therefore be eorilially_agreal is the datum Mr. Mr. GOVILBUBM bed reeeired • letter hem the Bishop of Loads, la Mamas to a statetuoat roads by the Ma. ow giber at Msfyleboao. &pities the sentredy of the re turns of the loomoo of kto ete ma* to the eosailedoseve by dud rfslit roc IMOD. Ili*, with the pedaled.* Of th e bows, be woolisood: My der Ms.Oseited•—la rime sow al the Adele ea the tedhel draidalessee mow • Ili Diet Meld, Yr B. Mall Is b left INK flat lho boom Muth esee dad Whops, the ofvas 110,0051. • ponied Pat kt ens gales stun m tl slot do Wimp's own nom it the ode'. The guard isalisid lad& itelmat it le peeteps vartb al art warn IWO eashigellOmers Ups my howeety third it right to repsh= Mat east dreseter ac 4 wok is is rsiAirr sea es Medi be dash WWII to re If yoo, wall Ms alt of mat wile Rasa of Oise= Is ay sow Ibot Mr is low B. ream' wars saw* eared, mei es essedeletmemet the laws of mgr bishop* ta For to "NA they NW& (Cheese.) Of mares me me would it a mement believe; that the right rev. prelate hod wilfully made ea inearreet titers ; hat he had thought is right to read this Letter, in order that if than should ha any misanderweedlag arising out of the hos. harmer:l statesman the house should be pat le possession of the facts. (Hear, hear.) Mr B. HALL explained that the Bishop of Loadon had Maned his Mom la the year 1837 at 14,6101.. bat is 1843 he had Maned It at o n ly 12,4811., invite a elimination of 2,02 W , while at the same time the smessmeat of the parish of Peddiagtea, the pester prinked whisk was the pronort7 of the see of Leaden, had TIM from 112,8681. in 1837, t o 191.164 le 1868, Wag ea hareem of 78,4881., and the present asemement he bud was mime thea 343,0661., slaw. lag ea tenons wee rated 1837 of 230,1981. Suet was the dames Mike be bed node hie wilaemat, and ha nest my that it apr o r z lie de llen utraordleary that the bishop should return a Memo while all that met the eye would lead to the that it had considerably increased. (Hear, hear.) Mr. GOULBURN observed that as the hon. baronet had now mated the emends as which he had made the charge, it um ease to explain how he had fallen into the error. It was cults tree that a portion of the improved ruatal of the Padden/toe estate want to the Bishop of London, but oily to the extent of ese-third, the remaining two-thirds going to the repeasentativse a(, the origiaal 'embolden under the terms of the est of paslimmat. The hoe. baronet seemed, however, to suppose that the whole of the bishop'. Mouse I was &aired from this estate, but that wee not the fact. It arose partly from the rental of that sedate and pertly from flees and heat m Ban y aecideat the fia fall o ff (and the hoe. baronet et met be aware that there was nothing more Sec tasting than the reeeipts from those Wm). the angmantatne of one-third is the ground rents of the Peddiogtee estates might be wholly inadequete to cover the deficiency arising from that caw. The hon. gentian* was not justified,' therefore, na such premiers, to impugn the character of the bishop. (Hear ' hem.) Bit B. HALE. wilted to know exactly the items which I constituted the diatoms between the gross and the net in come. Mr. HUME enfiladed the noble lord that in 1837 the house passed a resolution to the effect that the bishops should receive a Axed inesome, and it was determined, at the same time, that the surplus should be paid over to the general fund; hut this had not been done. Now he would suggest I that la any new arrangement this should be made impels- I tile. lie also wished to know what limit there wee to he to tha money laid out in enlarging and improving the episcopal palurs Lord J. RUSSELL observed that the hon. gentleman was mistaken is saying that such an arrangement had been come to by the house, or that that wee the understanding of the act of parliament. Mr. Il(JME—There is a resolution to that effect on the journals. Meer, hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL—Did not deny that ; but the act of parliament said nothing of the kind, and the ecclesiastical commis.ion having great objections to fixing the incomes at one navaryieg standard, agreed that there should be a cm , Lain supposed income taken (or the future, end if the receipts exceeded that the bishop should have the benefit of it, and if it fell short he should suffer the variation. He (Lord J. Russell) now proposed to alter that arrangement, and that (or the future the income should be fixed and neither increased or diminished whatever might be the receipts fmni:the property of the see. Mr. HUME would suggest that a clause be inserted in the bill, providing that whatever might be the decision of the commissioners, it should be always subject to the revision of the Treasury. After a brief discussion on a verbal amendment proposed by Mr. Got:mingle, which wu withdrawn, the clause was agreed to. On elute 16, providing for the endowment of the Deans of York, Chichester, Exeter, Hereford, Lichfield, Salisbury, and Welly, Sir 0 GREY proposed an amendment, no tking the maxi mum income of the deans 1,0001. instead of 1,3001., as tired by the Lords. Sir B. HALL wished to cell attention to a communication he had received from Hereford relative to the livings held by the dean of that cathedral. It had been recently stated that the recently eppointed deans had given up all the livings they held. Now he was informed in the communication to which he alluded that the Dun of Hereford had not resigned his living of Kings Sonabourne, and that he had recently presented himself. with the concurrence of the chapter, to the living of Medley. The value of these two livings was 6081, besides the income of the deanery. In the can of Brutal, also, the dean tas he was informed by a clergyman who had written to him from that place) had presented himself to the living of Alvaston by consent of the chapter, and the rumour was that he had taken this living with the view of e :changing it for another. The value of this living was stated to be 7911. a year with a house within ten miles of Bristol. lie contended that deans and eenons were useless officers, and that unless some scheme could be devised for rendering them somewhat ref viceable to the church, the money was literally wasted when they wen given rich appointments and large incomes. Lord J. RUSSELL said thy hon. baronet 'seined to have misunderstood the object of the clause, inasmuch as it did not propose to give the deans any more money than they already possessed. It was colts another matter whether the house should or should not alter their incomes. The question whether or not deans were of any use in the church was a very large one. They certainly were part of the regular order of the church. They were head of the chapter, and he thought they were of great use in a cathe dral town, for the general pupa" of carr•yingon the business of the cathedral, and assisting in the spiritual business of the diocese. He intended to propose a clause, by which deans to be hereafter appointed would be prevented from holding any benefice or cure of souls which was situated further than three miles from their cathedral town. He had made inquiry as to what the Dean of Hereford was likely to receive from his former living, and he found that he would not receive anything until October, and that in the meantime he would be subject to considerable expense in preparing the deanery house. It, (Lord J. Russell) had, therefore, thought it wrong at once to deprive the Dean of Hereford of his former living, but he had atipala'ed with him, and a clause to that effect would be inserted in the bill, that six months after he had accepted the deanery he should give up the living. With respect to the Dean of Bristol he had received no information whatever, but if this clause passed he would be unable to hold any living which was situated at • greater distance than three miles from his cathedral. Mr. S. HERBERT concurred in the propriety of restrict ing deans from holding livings further off than three miles from their cathedrals. Sir B. HALL sous called the at•ention of the noble lord (J. Russell) to the uses of the deans of Bristol and Here tad and expressed a hope that something would be done to prevent them from holding other livings. Lord J. RUSSELL repeated that with respect to the Dun of Hereford, the benefice he held would become void in six months from the time he had been appointed dean. He knew nothing of the circumstances connected with the Dean of Bristol, and therefore he could not say what should be done in that caw If, however, the clause passed, it would be impossible for him to hold a living situated beyond the radius of three miles. After some further conversation, Mr. WILLIAMS said, it was not his intension to have taken any part in the debate now before the committee had it not been for the allusion made to him by the hon. baronet the member for Mary!shone, in reference to his knowledge of the Welsh language, and the way in which some of the English clergy appointed to high ecclesiastical offices in Wales pronounced the Welsh language, and the great blunders they sometimes committed it had been rumoured that a kilned English dean now is Wales, and who had learnt how to read Welsh, had at one period, In reading (parrot-like) our language said, when he ought to have pronounced the following passage of scripture, " ?di gaff y Thal Cyflawn b eyd tragwydde," " The righteous shall in herit eternal life," instead of which he is reported to have said, " Mi gaff y Cywion bwyd y gwydde," which means " The goslings shall devour the food of the geese." In fact, the church in Wales abounds in anomalies and abuses to monstrous that common sense must be shocked at the idea of contemplating them. We find In connexion with that church Englishmen, deans and bishop', grasping the most munificent incomes, as our religiose guides, and teacher, who are utterly unable to give religiose c 'amends and promises in the language which the people understand. Now, sir, fancy • Welshman from Bala—he said Bala, be cause the chairman knew something of that district, and un able to speak one word of English—tancy that man appointed rector of Marylebone, or, if you like, Bishop of London, and you will see in its true light the glaring abuse which defame the church in our country, involving the interest of the moral, social, and spiritual condition of the people on the altar of the selfish ambition of English statesmen and poli tical cliques. The hon. member begged to call the attention of the committee to this fact, that we have in Wales at this moment two brothers, sons of a late English bishop, who had the good fortune to be appointed to one of the Welsh sees, whose imams) from the church (and neither of themunderstand one word of the Welsh language) is more than the income of 87 curates, who are doing duty from one end of the year to another. What was this but the crea tion of sinecures, absorbing the pay whilst incompetent for the work—pocketing the money of the people, as the law directs, but whom souls they fail to inspire with the feith sad hopes of the gospel ? There are now doing duty daily at St. Asaph, two gentlemen of superior attainments, whom income for that doily duty at the cathedral is thirty pounds per annum. He begged to tell the noble lord that there were also at St. Aleph and at Bangor, he meant in the diocese, clergymen, Welshmen by birth and in feeling, who would do eredit to the bench of bishop, whenever they had the good fortune to gain that high position. After • few words from Mr. C Sir J. NICOL said the government had • difficult tack to perform in making church appointments. now, for In stance, had been steoassitatkd for syythutteeot to Welsh t it ld ared d o ast my f ~~4Ai hey for hit e f rom tialitslivicaadZiltrllts.chthawlulthill"ll"l6ll4"4l*":lll:lliiiiioTMellitaitileah:ltAi n al. I,6Wr i i: Lr:i I .....as":l:majßwitalwß:zeludilitbal:Rtillrist:Storbbell""griktrontb.llß4lsWamsnikstbeillanatalith.ttit:a..a.epteoldtolibaata""iliala:bßl4.4ltioa°l°.ll3l46l.lala.ola t aught to ht 44t hP:ii gl It n 7n n itc hyt all l'oe.eit.:l n,te mo ved gt o la "a ain amendment hwut d ;bil hr.fe9hb ei ra ."4ewhic : oill.vehariWldit9.-l e trie sihn g ArPc" s tieree ehildnat the cathedral 'rele t e ttcfl 'ini:Lt—QhhgOtaelf:ficd: hhnr•l a :TlMYli"Dilitir et I les:lo•anc-1 t i t" 111:1 matt a ti* rj?t daff :'.**B.lr4l t misfit . 4 t ‘'t'4l 444:1:41'1' a't ein the oaf and part • aver f tAa athedral Kr. P. WOOD ei h in op e j! peaso th , at limitation g r ta ir L ag such lima L " la r i ar ir d ic on h ala t l b o ioarsges o un D t ea o u r e of St. Paul's present archdeacon of Londn received for his ~u g g; C e ;and sou ma , [et of T ar m ;ae ga ceo ll, ri o n n of .ri S n t. P el a wed ul's, 1 f ,2 0, 00 , 1 harter-ow at 1,4001. substituted divieao , nut nee. plea, it being agreed (se we wen informed! that .i/rl, r. CiLA f D or S 2 ro l l.l Mr. E then rose to brin L, g : r ucant i o . bithi lotion of which he had given notice , and A roan by observing that complaints had beg. ,4 - ,•"*. bishops becoming too aristocratic, beoeu, e - o ;17 * e “.' " harnessed they remained the see n then beams more powerful and arbo r .," .'"`" T ",..r. were they to remedy the evil? There ; • to rt , -e° Ono was to have suffragan bishops. Thy nab "fornesuewhhybishtheotprsicshouulduineotbisbehosaprtisicfasetory lie Itrotee might be desirable in some cues to b.,. ° O , oe or woe bishop was incapable from age, but hi. would M an i 'ening office between the bishop sad the elm, only increase the evil. Then, if th ey speo.:, -- 0 ;,,,T bishop!, there were but two methods. Oa t ca ,, was pursued in the cam of the di s a rm of Mend: thought it would be useless to go i nto that , theta. tu.' it appeared to him that, rightly or wrongly, partiame.ebe. net give Its swat to any more acts for the bishopric on the same footing as t h at of *melon...ow liassent would not pars any more acts for eed isvne tan! with 4,0)01. or 5,0001. a year. Assuming then that the the question really came to this, wool t they b e new bishoprics at all, or would th e y h ave new be b op ,: humbler basis, setting aside all idea of the ate t being peers of parliament, and of their having Ors comes; and contemplating, if possible, their h e ' toe h i of dioceses of a more manageable scoe a. to %ie., an more limited scale as to income. The main ,uteri; was, would they open the door to the formation of a , bishoprics at all, or would they cOoe the do a t. motion of any new bishoprics, under sty trona. , He did not thick there was any darger in having without a sect in the House of Lads. If there wi such danger, that danger was incurred insernuce as he already one bishop without a seat in e Moose of It could not be denied that the work of the courh w done In large tdwos ; it was done to a great tE'n: country, but cot in towns. He thought the accomplishing the work of the church was by Lace bishepe. The reason why there was • prejudice in 'h against the creation of more b shops was, that supposed that by cresting bishops they frittered a• resource, of the church, end that it was much twat r smaller incomes to the workingclergy. That might to. certain circumstances, but it would not be to if bisr appointed under the circumstances he propped. W they done in the colonies ? They appointed bislo before there was any considerable number co hag clergy, end the consequence WAS that tea ing clergy had doubled and treble 1. In tt pulous districts of E•orland there was no dco' the church of England was a missionary church. the bishops of the order he proposed could be 'predate! must be a desire on the part of the inhabitants by a large rubecription; there mast be the COO'rf.t bishop of the diocese, and the archbishop of the pro there must also be the consent of the eccleeiaetke. Lott o lion, and of the !administration of the day. He commecOel this matter to the consideration of the house and of the noels lord at the head of her Majesty's government. Lord J. RUSSELL said he wished rather toots:. the doubts he had of the adoption of any such clause as tt,s, rather than to argue that it would be well to give up a.. pooped of creating such b:shoprics as the bishoprics of Ripoo or.at Moe cheater. It appeared to him that that was the p.ar. was in harmony with the constitution of this counter . that, where there w. re very large dioceses which h.. - creased in population, that was the course to puma that great advantages had arisen from the creation cat • dioceses. The bishopric of Manchester was of later o - but the bishopric of Ripon had existed fora greater cum - of years, and he believed that a division o' the dixe. York had acted well. But then these bishops were ere • . is perfect conformity with the present law. Who right hon. gentleman proposed was to have a t3tal:s rate order of bishops. Now he quite admitted that wh, read the clause at first he mistook the meaning of it, arc: he thought that the election of bisbeps was to he conduce I different manner from that which now obtained. B.: te still retained the objection, and that strongly, to :to constitution of a new kicd of bishoprics not toe eo a seat in parliament, and existing totally indepolloo of the present order of bishop.. Ile thought the roamer. would soon be that they shou'.d pay these bishop. out , f the funds of the existing bishoprics, and as the e engirt `est oe would have much lees labour than they now had. itia: 'tor incomes might to a great degree be dinsinishe!. there were two orders of bishops, one which hat e- i . • ia parliament, and the other not, it they deprived the le:coo having seats of a sufficient income to enable them to e me to the metropolis and attend to their parliamentary :roe. he thought the next step would be that they E.: `oter put them all on the same foatint, and take away :zoo power of attending parliament. He thoutht the IrtUtICL: would be inch. and that it would be vary 1 lo a .IC c.-ssful one. He was no: inclined to adopt the r: the right hon. gentleman proposed. It appeared ti ;a lead to changes which would not be consistent wish the coc stitution of the church. At the same time he .ti 1 n t say that in future years it might not he eli• : .:11':e t 3 have bishops of a kind somewhat el sn'ar ti that which the right honourab:e ;entlem en had ;ro• posed. But he thought that suffragan bishops wire Pre' f. table, because they would then hare the •uperior bishop holding control, and have him in hi. place n rartismenq representing the diocese. The right: bon oent.eman had thrown out matter for the considerod sn of parlament, acl he did not say that something of that kiad meet n...t here after be adopted. Lord J. MANNERS said he coold not gather from the noble lord that he bad any definite scheme on the soil. jeot. This was no new question. All who hot weatin en the subject had agreed that a greater num at of the episcopacy was shsolutely mercer!. 1: the number of bishops was proportioned to the p000d: a t i n on i , I t t h al e y r: t o h u e g p h ro t to b i s t e pihr. pressed u.G o count r y. o. n t t ie r ) y sd . Ti e a En i u o . g n o l h a o( fe:rh. the thelonl bi s ho p s was rw e h a s : a t s i e e p: u u i ll uS w t c h ph is e icanle;a'n'us t han ought to be left in the hands of government ; and if pa ,47, were is sd the pecifying ot the clause d w giv e n gto .uetit nzhitteh;:tsaio,mtstaEtehthi he Tmeri,....aw;tieotlejunrtitiwesrouteuch wit hd rew .d erp l be consid e red, da e ttedgi tehrt:lie am e nd men t. hoi „.pseh way intro duce/ for the first time, the house was scarcely prep ared decide on it. The searedmeat wee withdrawn. Lor J, M AN N £lls moved the addition of the fallowing claus the the Let:, e in trust fin the bench[ .•1 such lureonaa.•, r c i : ur nee..my f ri.o y, it rT z t r :r stii ,T:h tu r.t: te aps t v ic ision n i ir O . wasu. %r Olt no gium ß oa l d : _ t n' e s ‘ y a 1 1 :d . 1 .4 4 :h w as e ca w : rrudwithuowe arisen rd par o r a Y m e n e t c ' pt: 1 " r. e hd s which h a b,anfwing A SL :tal: ltirdi rs„ o be w; i i ea t t:i g lec ßa : AE ; Y : 7l ,,, Nt . h a u n ei t i n i 4 i ng enae Sc i nihse t t i h s en i t,: : :t7h:a:t t: i tre ed g i t h iw oatteh : c . lf a a . ... Tinal Lode, tithee ,. n. , tMr ,hail trot extend 1.5 .iii I raw to r :e i h: d.ry o k 7r , e ,or n i:i h n , the ai l ,rn leee. a. r ry oo .„ mh i proposed , and which was an entirety dpo":l:tria:wheAnower'ingriifregial:o:nt"L'flie°l°tsthallin:pi:;olifo:tirtresoi said n t hacmheeatuathi:haw:useori could not consent to the clause, se some malin ' aiias of the o cla weit A si : s um os f r r t amma. e v . r on tl xo a L ot - it f t n i ll2 :w as. ue w it o e r N lNa de u E z fro l ow 7in ued s w hi sit ti ta hst.h r. Goceuca.'t and Lord 1.. bellowing nano ,inn ndr.- eons a peculiar car exempt cch•,aawscsl lurie.lsa'ti.ns. whit h t:i; ..+: 3 teas effect usy of the rocomntenJetiwu therein rrne.t. thins ointained Is any or either of the .aid mtitrt r':. or elm .i(t Anil be it declared aodenacted, that in the c. 0.,. oral en J . a rnrr ,_ which shall ray longer be Arid by the archdeacon soh, • .1. coca of the twaing of the secondly recited act in toeririon them pmelaiona of the mane act which Mote to the Markt . tniastainere of the eetsies of any arehikeconry upon ‘t, rrlowmd et is either of the mutes therein provided, and alio to the MJn•+nr airs any nob arehileweeary of any benefice with can , • he con.trued and hilt to authorise ouch trawler or soh d o onneei . .... o with the consent of the bile , io of the iihreae, and of the arch 'caa a‘ l iht*""ni°n . :Mg t. nnlUtan ta h' t i h tt'et e der . w 7t ith . le rra 'r t ‘h i t,el ,; %l"l"l :l7 en th n : t7 b, o;' Cu ltt ' l l ' l tt l h l h .g eh' :L hn:h:; o4' ;; l'' , 17 1 "11 4 71; r7: 1 : s a- , ,il i coi l iii Drs an owed in the aooion of rat hanient \chi in the 711' sort • of licr Majesty', reign, Imitated, ".113 act to ca s tain and 1,4 a. apt ett , IJ4 .Eat t o )61 44 Vitt, !is dig. .ntiist s th i spi . n. 414 44 .4 4tv, of th, It t s r t b . h * pot is et to tot tae r at try t'ob 4. 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