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IMPERIAL PARL 'LAMENT. nouss OF LORDS -TUMMY. APRIL 23. ny limo mot at In ieskok. Lard CAuraml. IM IS te a. PRIVATE BUSINESS. 111/ICOND RlBADlloll.—Becklegasashire Ramps.; A r ad. wies, Civil Eagiawas, BaiNcn, aid Chanel roe awl Life Issersaes, Annuity. sad Riiveniomry Iw • .reit Company of the emspail sada 111 ,are se .e) ; W= Bong\ Mukat tot , ippresielta)i How sad Pmelolism W isproviimat Mar ket AM 0$48) A..aireast ; t, Pur chase of Royal Pavilion awl %made, sad Ameadmist of suiting Act ; BWa. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Law oe Mknat•on.—Ply Laid CAYPBHLL, front the siesaty of Dews, spinet any alteration la the lea of mar riage. He bald MIMI petitions with reiseecos to a bill ea the subjoin, new in the other house of parliament, which he weld set present whilst the bill was la the other how. He kepi, la fact, that he 'Wald never have occasion b presses them, for he trusted the bill would wryer neck their lordiiipa• Imes E DUCAT! on, 2e.—By the Earl of POW IS, from the Chars!' of flowlaret Ley Asseelation, praying for Worry Lite Ma ntes which had arisen between the C immittse of the Privy Cooed! and the National School Society; aloe petitions *on Llnoolnehire and Sontersetstaire, spinet Solidity labour In the Postofiloe. EMOLUMENTS OF OFFICERS OF THE HOUSE. The Duke of RICHMOND presented the report of the weamittee appointed to isomers taw the salaries and t Molts meats rewired by the Alan of their lordship's haus*. The eienmittee recommended the ritemutation of the fees re *Dived by the doorkeepers, and the toted shame of a barer Wale of ItlllSetlitiOß for those °Moen. One of those door keepas hat realised since Ib3d sums varying from 4001. to 2,5701. per annum. Some other officials, among which were *e sick of parliament and the usher of the black rod, had Contented tea reduction of th• it present rate of emolument. The ?Kiruna of LO,NSDOWNE felt ballad, as a tatimher of that boas., to say that they ought te teel grateful to the noble lords who had bees ea the committee for the pains they hal taken on the subject. It was a quastiw of great impartacre, and affected both the dignity and character of their loritoiipt• bons*. He would not sit down without bearing his testimony to the fairness of the principle adoliud fa the report. (Hear, hew.) The report wee then ordered to be printed. The Duke of RICHMOND then moved fir a return of the duties and emalumente of the wwienver of the Great Seal during the yews 1347. ISIS. and 1819. Ordered. SMOKE PROH kFrinx Dom, DISTRICTS CONTRIBUTIONS HILL. Thaw bah wer;;;;Zireilisilifuri time and puss& ALTERATIONS IN PLEADINGS BILL. Lord Cd.YPBELL moral eM M c,ad nadiagof this bill for the ametuisent of spacial plesdlac M civil gaits; mid he was it ttppy to ay the measure was highly approved of by all the. ju3 ms, mid there could be ao doubt that it would lead to beneticfsl results. Tele was a fresh nroof that there was no deuachootion on the part of lawyers to any reforms which would he likely to bmedt suitors. The bill was then read a second time, and ordered is be committed. TITLES OF RELIGIOUS CONGREGATIONS SCOTLAND) DILL. The Marquis of BREADALBANE =MA t h e emend reeding of this bill. He hoped the noble sad (Aberdeen) oppoiite would not object to the bill this sdnion ' as it WaS admitted on all hands thick would be an amendment of the existing law. The Eat of ABERDEEN objected to proceed with the measure last year, betimes it was introdtt:ed at so late a perbd tithe session. Trim was no reasonable objection, however, to the bill, sad he should not now epp.se it. The bill wa. then read a second time, and ordtred to be committed. CRIMINAL LAW AMENDMENT BILL. Lard CAMPBELL laid on the table a bill for the La remainc of the administration of trusties' justice. Its Wet object was to remove roan, of the tecneicalines which se sten deiced the purpose or justice. The bill wee mad a tint time. AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS. The Earl of HARD WILKE, pineuant to notice, pre sented several petitions from the county of Cambridge, ems. pinning of agricultural distress. Toe p.titioners said they were now suffering tinware distress, and bad bettors them the prospect of enduring mote. They could not compete with ' belies grain, sod nothing but utter ruin was stasing them in the ;we. They were, in fact, ready to do anything which desperate men were likely to do. It w ig now proved that the experiment of free trade which bad been tried had hitherto mow entirely failed, sad the house would be obltged to give Witt to the agricultural interest be long ; mean while, however, a great number of worthy men would be ruined. He knew that he should be told of the emission of taxes—that commerce had improved—that farms might easily be let—that aerkultural pr:ces were as low in 1615 as they are now. He should be told also, he supposed, that the income te: had increased; but all these facts could not prove that the agriculturists were not safferiag Brest distress sad on the verge of absolata ruin. (Hear, hear.) they would be placed on the horns of this dilemma—they must either go beck, they mast retrace their steps, or the people would ne looser pay the taus. Tial , COON no: go on without involving the ruin not only of the agricultural hat of the poorer classes of society. He be. keyed, however, that the agricultural classes cool not des pair; for the of that evil was so rapid that the we could not be ar distant. The time would soon arrive for the Scal agricultural Sitarist to obtain relief from its present dif ds& The Earl of MALMESBURY said, that in passable of the notice which be had given a few nights before, he bad M move the billowing returns :—Return of the imports of wheat and wheat bur, also of barley and oats, into the United Kingdom, is sack week since the let of January. Ifsith and of toe average prices of each week; and also, return of the total amount imported within the same prod, dick/is/Wag the countries from which imported. He might be tad that the returns relating to trade and nevi plies would show how much foreign corn had been brought into the eotsetry ; bat be thought it most impinge" that they should know hem what countries importamoas had pro considering that they now arrived in the face of a !Lisp market. He was aware that he needed indulgence (Cr introducing a question so chin discussed and so little attractive • but when he saw the dangerous, the deplorable state M die agricultural interest at that moment, he thought it his paramaaet duty to entreat their lordship to consider the ect of the repeal of the eons law. At the beginning of the amiss their lordships were assured that the eau of the markets at that time would sot last. The state of the markets had not lasted; for prices had falls* ocasiderably sines that period. (Hess, Mail Tars were three parties to the repeal of the cora law. Of these *se of the most intelligent sad active was composed of those who, disapproving of the constitutin as it stood, had cot scrupled to declare publicly that they considered that the repeal of the cons law would lead to the establiensernt of a pars democracy. (" Hear, hem," from Lord Stanley.) Tint clam believed whet woe prophesied on that side of the house whoa the corn law was repealed, that through the depreciation of the value of agricultural property, there would bee loss of the politkel power and social maw quince of west was called the agekultural body, including not merely the nobility, but the whole of the landlords of the country, who had always been the etrosgeat bulwarks of the throne against democratic innovation. Another clam, pa sowing greet activity and abilities, assisted of the theoretical economists, who, bounding their opium' on what they termed reseal and normal troths, wholly laid aside all those principles which were applicable to the state of society is this eountry. These were men for wham he entertained the high• et respect, believing them to be as honest is their opinions as they wen seagaine la their expectations ; but, like her Majesty's Secretary of Mate for the Colonial Department, who had lately songratakted their lordships on the effects ef free trade, they threw down a principle like a piece of raw material, without coasidering what would be the that of Imelda, it out. He did not hope to make any impressioa on this ekes, but he ark-e 1 them to look at the cora markets, and to amidst whether they had net been too sanguine. There was a third party ia that house which had suoported the con laws—a party mastitating a majority of their lordships, and whieh mast always be looked apes by the seastly with the deepest respect. lie referred mow esposially to noble lords who sat on the cross benches and ea kis right hand, from whom they (the protectionists) had unfortunately been severed for some time in 'that opiates. These noble lords no doubt yieldi that ag they were doing their duty to their coun try in eo what they regarded as a universal ary for the abolition of the cola laws; they hoped rather then espeeted that no such miechisf es bed bees prophesied would same, sad that *genial stream, rather than an overwhelming torrent, of food would flow into the country. In that este pory he placed the noble marquis opposite (the Marquis of Lansdowne), who', at the beginning of the musks, teemed the abrogation of the corn lairs an experiment. and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who had reesatiy declared that he had sot sametiM that the repeal would osseous each low prices. He (the gee of Malmesibary) aosepted the noble marquis's term experiment. He w oul d always pre test against the language which had ban used, ant so meek in that house as out of it, bylined* journals end by ma of Lint and eloquence, that the law se it the* stood was tad. (Hear, hear.) Ouch leaguers he masidered an insult te the mamma sense and the good fleallog M the ematry. (Il_ ,eer hear.) WM M to be told that a kw was haat before it had been tried a year, Magas, tio, as it PM se a fiscal sad financial question (Rear, kw.) Their lordships might depend upon it, too, that priest weald be still lower than they were. They had net yet meertaked the prefect pat up to which the foreigners math afford to export to this country profitably ; hat they were rapidly ptomaine the &Mover,. I. the meantime What must be the sate of mind of the farmer, as he saw the downward prime f He knew that whatever capital and karlastry he might apply to ,the cultivation of the lead, the foringam would meet him. He knew that the core factor would shake in his face • ample of corn when he watt° market, and tell him that he could get cora like that at a fewer ppries than he was offering to sell foe. lie (the Earl of bury) had heard seek leaguer need in atry markets. Both • state of Wags bad a natural Madeira to MIMI a pion. Many farmers had late stocks on hand, having been induced to hold them partly by what had been said by the government, parhy by what had been said by the admeates of tree trade ; sad what mast be their feelings, when, within three maths of the inset. end with thaw stocks on hand, they saw greater impoaaWns In the fees of falling prices / If the large farmers endured this for a time, how were the smell ones to do se ? They were constantly hear ing that timers who were not conversant with chemistry, and Who did not possess 00%4 mart thin; and the was said is a toss which implied that tblL: e illtl 4 ° °G. Tkice wee an quad's whisk n W°l° 110- ginnieg to eak, easiely, whether it wee kir Wadley ehould pay du ease NW of blued lo lir pads enkfart se thee had dead Mambo ssi who bed bees issermsess tal la brieg~'y Mona th e Of the sees bow wield do wail to senile whether it was desirable that that question ▪ be arkiods_ (liser, bear.) The sidle weevils opposite (the igropmpeemeaagossia) WEIS doped upon it that this tostatey would sot be a oak phso kr prefeull to xis in, mad would sat be savable of Wag maned with bouts while sash grenade of ous;delat were naremoved. (Hear. hear.) The Deka of RICHMOND winlemed the assertion that the distress of the agricaltoral body wee unexampled. He adjured the house, the , sad the hadholdere not to math too far the sf_ kids, whist sill existed among the fanners 'WA at MU leader the despair of an alleviation of their enissilise. • speedy return to a "just end ads quite" kris of preteethra, he leobed fur from the retarmag gad urn ti the senate,; and meantime he exhorted the farmer, to poem their mingles so ter u to seam caodidate upon every menu the eludes of the protectioakt • The arquis of LANBDOWNZ said be was sot about to eater into the discussion whitda bad been introduced by the noble earl, and continued by the noble dale*, as he thought the !Whig opportunity for considering whether the experiment hail been sufficiently tried would arise whesever a distinct pronoeitioa founded on the re turns should be brevets forward. He was net pre pared to say that a state of things had arisen by which pm liansinit was called upon to reversejte ss listern which it bad adopted; sad whenever it was pro to do so he should state the grounds of his opinion. H. should offer no oppo sition to the notion ' but in order to make the information complete, he would propose that in addition to the returns already moved fur, there should be a return of the quaatlty of wheat, barley, and oats sold in England and Wales in each week of each year ef the five years (as was understood) I ending Jan 1, 18150. and in each week since that date. TIN Duke of RICH POND said he did not believe one single syllable of what was retuned by the corn inspector, and any owe who was at all acquainted with the subject mu.t know that to these returns farmers generally attached nu Ilaitte. Lord STANLEY said that, without going so far as to say that be did not believe one syllable of the returns of the corn Inspectors, he felt that the addition to his nob:* friend's motion would not add much to its value. It was notorious that these ?nuns left unrepresented a very large proporticn of the corn sold in this country, ►nd therefore he did not think they would famish their lordship, with much aristance in the consideration of the question. Be was glid to find the noble marquis rope sting his expectation that the quation had, at no very distant period. t 3 be &rata discussed and decided. (Hear, he ir.) Ho collected also from the noble marquis—and he hailed this adminion also with satisfaction—that the pneent prices were too low. Tree Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, what he meant was that the present rate of things was exceptional. Lard STANLEY said, be might, then, assume, and he rejoiced in being able to assume, that the noble marquis thought that ansitieatedle low prices were not an 'dean tado to the country. (Hear, hear.) He collected from him that the present low prices were not prices which the government desired to see—(bear, hear) — and that they looked forward to • rise. (Hear. hear.) They were carrying on an sap , riment, and that experiment had not produced the effects which the government eaten Isted. (Hear.) It was then the natural consequence—if that state of prices continued—that the present state of was not exceptioael, because there was no tendency in priors to rice, but, on the contrary, a permanent cause to lead to lower prices; and in that case he accepted the admission of ministers that the repeal of the am laws was merely en ex periment, and further, that it would soon become necessery that they should retrace their steps. (Hear) But how long was that her trade experiment to lest? (Hear) How many more hundreds of their unfortunate countrymen were to he ruined? (Hear.) How much more of nee, say and useful °vital was to be sacrificed before any step was taken to recover the national property ? (Hear, bear) He was willing to give her Majesty's ministers lull dais for consi deration but then there should bosoms limitation to the experiment. (Hear, hear.) At the commencement of the session they were assured by the noble marquis opposite (the Marquis of Lansdowne) that all would be right. It was arid wait awhile, only wait • month, or site weeks, or two months. The month of March was looked forward to es the period when it was expected that averages should rise and prices improve. But the ides of March as also of April had come and pa-sed ; and its his noble friend (the Eal of Malmesbury) had remarked, within three months of the new harvest, im ports were sot diminishing but increasing, and prices not tibias but telling. (Hear, hoar.) He (Lori Stanley) considered it of great importance that his noble Maio*. mo.ion should be agreed to, that it might be seen from what countries the importations took place. Because, if it should appear that these imports were not from di-tact pore, but from pone always in sight 01%11(.4 own, having daily accounts of the priers and %rate of the English market', the prices daily decreasing, mid all that, then it could not with reason be said that, owine to increased exportation from these ports, home prices would not fall still lower. (Hear ' hear.) He begged to instance the article of cotton, sad its consumption within the last fifteen years, in which period it increased fifty fold. But what was the peke of the article ? Did it rise in consequence of the greatly increased demand? (lieu.) Sr tar from lt, the demand had not stimulated WI Lamm in price, which constantly redwood ; sad the WWI might be said of the 'that, of tea, sod every other commodity. (Hear, hear.) Larder quantities of corn could only be grown by increased outlay and further ispendi.ure of capital; but then, were not prices to be consulted ? (Hear, hear.) He asked the farmer of the Lothians—the garden of Scotland— when cultivation was carried to perfection, and where any ad ditiosal outlay cf capital could net be Weeded with increased productive/ma—what wise to become of them? (Mear,heer.) The Margins of LANSDOWNE (who wee frequently inaudible in the gallery) complained of the course taken by the noble lord (Lord Stanley) is drawing deductions from orders then only moved for and about to be puiduced, sad inviting anemia' to the results of curtain papers not yet laid upon the table. (Hear, hear.) The disposition evinced by the noble lord in so doing argued in his (the Mar quis of Lansdowne's) mind • doubt of the intention of the noble lord to bring forward the subset on which be had been addressing their lordships in a plain an I tangible form for consideration. He (the Marquis of Lansdowne) was not then about to enter on the subject, because he conceive lit would be Irregular to du so; but he could not help alluding to the assertions of the noble lord in ref rence to alleged ad missions by him as to the result of free trade measures. (Hear, hear.) He bad never stated, at present or at any former time, that that house would be boned at no distant period to return ti prineeli)u. L'rd STANLEY—I did nut say so. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE understood thit to be the substance of the noble lord's assertion. Lord STANLEY—I yoke of the thing not u a fait acconspli. I said the preeent state of pricks was regarded by ministers as exceptMaal, and not lasting ; and the in ference I drew from that was that present prices are not each as were contemplated as the result of the expaimeat. Mew, Ti. Marquis of LANSDOWNE should deny that at any time he expreend ma opinion as to the period when the ex periment of free trade might be said tot to have succeeded. (Hear, hear.) If the noble lord thought the state of things so exceptional as to make it expedient for parliament to re tries the policy ft had previously punted, the matter was open to the consideration of the noble lord to amend it; and when he should introduce the question in a substantive manner to their lordship, he (the Marquis of Lansdowne) would &impend to most him. (Hear, hear.) Lord STANLEY—The noble marquis may regard the existing state of prices as exceptional, bat I do not, as I feel they will continue. (Hear, hear.) As regards the in. trodurnioa of the question of free trade before your lordships, I em not sow prepared to bring forward say distinct pro position on the subject. Bat I will exercise my own discre tion as to the period whet I will bring it forward, and alto as to the opportunities I may take to express my opinions as regards the proems, or otherwise, of free trade or any other maser& (Hew, hear.) Earl GREY said that if sable lords opposite entertained a strong opinion on the question offress trade, as they appeared to do, they ought to bring it forward is a substantive manner, and let the decision of the home be taloa upou it. Fur his own part he could tot sae the possible good of discussions which had no end, aim or object. (Hear, hear.) Is such disourteras they were left to fight with shadows. (Hear, hoar.) lie should deny that parliament cool d or ought to maks itself reeponsible for the state of prices. (Hear, lam.) Tice noble lord opposite (Lord Stanley) soused to think the immure of free trade had failed because the prim of wheat were low. Now, he (Karl Orly) heard honourable gentle mes In the House of Commons, men of greater benevolence than judgment, amongst the rest he believed the noble lord himself when in the ministry, deny that the house should interfere to relieve the hand-loom weavers, who complained of distress and insufficient wages, and endeavour to show that It was not within the power of parliament to determine rates of wages. (Hear, hear.) In like manner he believed it was not in the power of parliament to determine what should be the rings of prices. Meat, hear.) He thought nothing had occurred in this country caledated to shahs the views enter tenth on the great measures of free trade. (Hear, hear.) Lord BEAUMONT conceived with his noble friend the Earl of Malinesbury, in moving for these returns, Manse they wen is this peculiar position that they should meads the foreigner was willing to import grain into this matry In groat quantities at consist loss or else the pretest low lain. should be permanent. (Hear, hear.) They could not imagine the foreigner would continue to import such ha wse quattitim, at certain loss; and if they believed that, they should Pm to the 'Quinlan that the present was set en exceptional etate of prim, but one that would costume (Hear, hear.) On that account he thought the returni would be useful, as by them would be seen which of the two ewe was the trues one; and they would also knew freak what countries and states the imports came. (Hear, hear.) The Earl of MALMBABURY having replied in a Sew words, begged to ask the noble marquis opposite when be thought it probable the returns could be bad ? The Marquis of LANSDOWNIketated in reply that they would be forthemMg s oorc a resible. The returns as an The Hake of RICHMOND gave notice that, on Friday • he would present 40 petitions to their lordships at free trade, and praying for a retu rn t o p ro b es : tioseaughtar, and " hear, hear.") Earl PL URAL' TIES. FOWLS wished to ask the noble marquis if it were los!nention to suggest to the noble lord at the head of her Majesty's government the expediency of introducing a clam int o the bill affecting the holding of benefices by deans, which benefice, were more than three miles distant from their cure of ends, In NM where the deans were heads of Kilian THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, APRIL 24, lB5O. The Marquis et LANSDOWNR said that the subj... lad mat! , t e ha u l/la= t ra dis = e b i r e i r t lib14111111[17071). hit:educed halo the ether hoses of peellaninst. SOROOL DISTRICTS CONTRIBUTION BILLS. Oa the motion of the Marquis of LANSDOWNS, this bill was reed a third has mad passed. Their lordship. adjourned at half-past saves. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TCESDAT, APRIL 23. The Braman. took the their at 4 o'siask. PUBLIC BUSINESS. RETURNS ORDERED. Anur-visaurtos or Correa —On the motion of Mr. ANSTET, copies of memorials and papers on the subject of the adulteration of (toffee, or the use of routed vegetable eubatitetes for coffee (in continuation of three presented in the last session of parliament). JUDOS or PRIZOOATITI AND Amass Coollll.—Mr. FRENCH, return of the number of times Sir H•tbett Jan ata Fast sat as juigs in the Prerogative sad Arches Courts during the last four terms, and the hours of sitting.— Lord MOTHAM return showing data of appointment of Dean of the Arches and Judge of the Prerogative Court; the number of muses heard ; of appeals prosecuted ; of ssa teams &dinned, reversed, or carried on appeal : also, show ing the number of allegations, libels, articles, sets on peti tion, and motions in each year since the appointment of the present judge of the said courts. Also, a return showing the number of anus toady for hearing end left unheard, and of causes heard but reserved for judgment at the ruing of the courts for the long vacation in each year during the above period. CORN RETURNS. . . . . Mr. NEWDEGATE having adverted to returns which had been laid before the hotter, of the price of cora in vari ous countries, in pursuance of a motion of the hon. member for Montrose, ssid, and pointed out, what he considered to be inaccuramea and deficiencies. Mr. LABOUCHERE ssieFthat the returns to which the hoes. gentlemen had referred gave the highest and lowest prices of wheat at the various ports on the continent, end it Owl gave the mean prior, being the highest and lowest prices. This document was Strived from various returns made by British consuls abroad, and transmitted to the Foreign-office. They were n d able to give the average price, and therefore they had given the highest and loweet and mean prices. Mr. NEWDEGATE thought that the hon. member f..d Montrose ought not to bring on his motion founded on these returns, until the house was in poeeeceton of some data on which they entail proceed with certainty. Mr. HUME sail that the object he had in view was to rise the question how far it was time to carry out free trade into a law ? It was his intention to apply to government to site him an opportunity of bringing on that question. Mr. LABOUCHERE thought et would be • great public convenience if the bon. gentlemen who referred to any re turns which had been laid on the table of the house, would give some notice to the head of the department from which the return proceeded, which would enable him to give the aecewry information. Mr. NEWDEGATII said that his reason for raising this question was, that there was • motion on the papers an which the hon. member for Montrose proposed to make thus specific returns the basis of his motion. TREATMENT OF MR. SMITH O'BRIEN. Sir L. O'BRIEN observed that the right hon. gentleman the &meter, of State for the Home Department bad t o doubt read a stateLt.ent in the newspapers complaining of the treatment of her brother. Would be produce any deepatett stating what treatment his (S.: Lucius's) brother bad re ceived I Sir G GREY said that he bad not read the p spen to which the bon. gentleman referred, but despatchn net been received from Van %MM . / La. Al relative to the hco member's relative, and if he would more for copies rr ex tracts of thoes despatch's he (Sir G. Grey) would have no obj‘ction to produce them. EFFECTS OF FREE TRADE. Mr. 111: ME referred to his ino ion reistivo to the amount of duty raised on insnufacturel article., and said that the object was to show whether free trade had done evil or no', and he wished to know when be could have as opportunity of bringing on the motion. In reply to I..rd J. Ituestu., whom answer did not reach the ;slimy, Mr. 111:ME said that he had no hesitation in bringing on the motion. KILRUSU UNION. Mr. P. SCROPE repeated • question which he had pot on a former night w►ether Bor 9,000 persons had not been refused outdcwr relief at the Ki aunt union; this having oc eurred for the third time since the pment boar 4 of guardians entered office in November last. Eiv wished to ark whether the workhouses were not full, whether deaths were no: oc curving in the workhouse to the number of .50 a day, and whether there Lad been any correspondence wish a view to renal. Sfr W. SOMERVILLE said that be had looked through all the documents In his possession, and had received no offi cial information whatsoever. Oa t his day be had written for further information on the subject. DISTRESSED UNIONS IN IRELAND. Colonel DUNNE asked the noble lord when he intended to bring in the bill for the relief of distressed unions in Ireland. 1;3;r J. RUSSELL said that he arm very ansione to bring on the bill on an early day. COLLEGIATE REFORM. Mr. HEYWOOD, (*ha was imperfectly heard) rose to MOTO That all systems of aeadenleal education require from time to time some modification. from the ehangs of external circumrtancer, the Pfeirresi of opinion, and the intellectual lineament of the people ; that, in the ancient English and Irish Universities, and in the colleges connected with them, the interests of religious and useful learrung have not advanced to an extent commensurate with the nest re sources and high position of thews bodies; that collegiate statutes of the fifteenth century occasionally prob lot the local autlionties from introducing any alterations into voluminous cults, of which a large portion are now obsolete ; that better laws are needed to regulate the eeremony of nistriculaUun and the granting of degrees ; to diniinoh the cselu,oe. ness of the university libraries; to provide for o fairer die ribs:firm of the rewardsof scenutie and literary merit; to extend the permiroion of marriage to tutor of cohere; and to facilitate the registration of electors for the unimesities ; that additional checks might be con sidered with reference to the ecatlatted extravagance of indisidual students; and that the mode of tenure of eelege property ought to be meliorated, particularly in Ireland :—Chat as it is her Majeels right and pti prep satire to name 'triter§ and eonimberioncrs to inq into the ancient univereitiei and colleges of England and Ireland, an humble address be prevented to her Majesty, praying that her Majesty will be graciousfly pleased to issue her Royal Corantinsion of Inquiry into the state of universities and colleges of Oxford, Cam bridge, aril Dubl:n, with a view to most in the adaptation of those important institutions to the requirements of modern litlCl. Hs commenced by refinrins to the different attempts which had been made at various times for nearly 100 years, to re form acsdemical education. During that period the house had agreed that this wes a subject which wanted reform. The question had been dealt with by some very distinguished persons, and this had led to considerable alterations during the last few years. The University of Oxford was consider ing the question of higher examinations for degrees, and of • r. golfing more knowledge. There were, however, some L changes which it was nut in the power of the Universi ties themselves, or of the Colleges to undertake. If they were desirous efficiently to reform the universities, ' they must restore them to the purposes for which they were originally intended. At present their affairs and finances were in some instances very strangely managed. Some time since it was contemplated to establish a museum in Oxford, and subscriptions were sought ate time when the fellowships were worth 100,0001. a year—those of Cambridge 90,0001., and those of Dublin 30,0001. But thin was to be said, that ' the colleges were by their statutes precluded from making alteration themselves in the disposition of their revenues, and they, furs he considered that a commission would be the best mole of proceeding. There had been commissions in the time of Henry VIII., of Edward VI., of Queen Mary sad Elizabeth, and of Ch arles I. In that reign Archbishop Laud tried to effect an alteration in Oxforl, and the um versity had been suffering ever since under religious restric• Lions. In has (Hr. Heywood's) opinion, a theological chair should be established in the different universities, because it vas exceedingly difficult for a tutor to teach in the same ' course logic and clunies, mathemathics and divinity. With respect to the college lands, he believed that on the whole they were fairly managed in England, but a much better income might be obtained under a more exact systems. In Ireland, it was different. Dublin University had large estates in I Kerry which were let to issielnkmen, who grown down the tenants while the college derived little bowfin Indeed, he believed that the fellows hardly knew the extent of the , college property. He had hosed an anecdote of one who I asked, whether the whole of Kerry did not belong to the college. The bursar received 6001. a year for the mange , aunt of these estates; sad so good a thing was it thought., that he was changed every two years, in order that the, emoluments might be fairly shared. The senior fellows had 2.0001. a year each from the renewal flan and he was not ' aware that they did anything for the college in return for their large incomes. The real busineu of teaching was wholly left to the juniors, who received a very small allow , mice, and the scholars a still smaller. There was an , ancient law in Dublin University, by which it was enacted that a. the 'units of the college incensed, such increase should be fairly divided amongst all the officers. He was nut aware that that law had been carried oat, but he should be happy to be informed by the hon. member for the university. There was an importance attached toDublio U oiversi ty,in con sequence of its being the great literary institution of Ire land. The right hon. member for Tamworth had done a great deal of good by establishing the provincial colleges, but SU looked upon them as merely superior grammar schools, a sort of feeders for the university; and the great question was, whether that university should not be opened, or whether the lay endowments should remain as they were when religious liberty was not so wall understood or so generally appreciated as at present. Cheat hardships sometimes /ONO from th e ap plication of religious tests in Dublin. With to the English uni versities he believed that Oxfo rd was so much more monastic in its institutions than Cambridge, that it would be a matter of consideration how far it would be advisabe to alter them, bet he thought flue the matriculation genes might be haw ficially revised is bah aaiversitiee. He had life seen a mane bees ass as sigaleg of the thirty nine articles at Oxford. TM yams ass sand little about the articles, bat a peat dal alma their order of precedency. This te a ought to be abolished as it inflicted harm on many conscientious dissenters. With respect to the curriculum he thought that too much value was attached to ancient learning, and too little to living and native lite rature. He quite agreed with Mr. Hallam that the advance of England was greatly owing to the sold. ration of native literature. How ignorant did not en Ox ford or Cambridge man appear when he left the university to travel/ (A laugh.) Hs bed acquired a quantity of knowledge which he could only leave to gather dust on the shelves of his memory, while of French, of Spanish, of Umlaut, or easy modern aquiseasst, he was wholly all. I obed. He 1/1111&di that la Ozhrd a step had been and* in MN eight 4l e• ia r but be feared that the modern Nimes were net m sedeat as wu the sanest learning. Hs HA • pea a• hey good Wan be doneey a samprised d sea, sli g btened ms as mr, m a . many. the Due of lanseh4 Kr. Stanley. sea of the late Bishop al Henri* sad Wier leented atea. Hs brought this gulden UMW the anise e 1 the bean bosun the uni nviting mould not do It themselves; and to one quake more he wished to all that attemica—he stout the registration of electors. Ia neither Oxford nor Cambridge could say me vote without having . previously subscribed to the thirty-nine articles and that waa • regulation that ought to be abolished. It might be urged as a ream n for preserving the sectarian character of the universities, that they were mainly theological schools for the clergy of the church of England, bat he believed that not mere than one halt of the students subsequently entered the church. He thought that the best talent ought to bs available to the country foe educational purposes, and that re. ry man who deserved it or eoald afford it should have the advantage of an university degree. It was • great ad vantage in missy of the pursuits of life, and the London University did notsapply the deficiency. At present the estranging, earned on at the uoiversities deterred many of moderate means and ruined some of those who ventured. The catalogue of clergymen's sons ruined was melancholy. (Hear, hen.) Much of this might be avoided if the young men's bills were sent in every mix months, but the tradesmen were very lox in this r.spect. He remembered in his own case one bill which was not sent in for three years. He thought that much extravagance might be avoided, and that a great step would be those distinctions of costume which marked the rank of the student. He be lieved that noblemen would receive all necessary respect witt•out the gold or silver lace, while those badges were so many incitements to extravagance in the wearer. Tha time had gone by whea such distinctions had any value fa the eyes of sensible men. For the rea'ocs he hod stated, he hoped the house would give its assent to the motion he had now to submit. The question having been pat from the chtir, Si, R. INGLIS observed that, although io notice of the prtc se terms of the motion or the grounds which were to justify this address had been given to those bodies with whom it was prept eed to interfere until the previous day, the general object of the motion had b ee n *e ffi c i ent l y made known to all the world by • pamphlet published some time ago, in the shape of • letter to Lout J. Russell, which pamphlet formed in point of feet the bill of indictment which the hon. member for North lAnceshire called urin them to prefer against our ancient universities. Mr. HEYWOOD—I was not the author of that pamphlet. Sir It,. INOLiti—No ; bat the hon. gentleman was cog nixent of it, and it was generally understood that it repreeented his view on the subjece, and wee to form the basis of his statement. The hon. gentleman's bill of indict ment contained no less than seventeen counts After the preamble, which declared a truism so obvious that it wee ostlers to .waste time by offering an observation teem it, the hon. gentleman proceeded to state "that in the ancient Blueish and Irish universities, and in the colleges contested wish them, the interes:s of religion and useful learning have not advanced to an extent com mensurate with the greet resources and high pesitien of that bodies." Now he aersealed to the house whether there was a single sentence in the hon. memeer's speech to substantiate that proposition. Not an ins:ante had the Lon. gentleman adduced to "how " that the interests eine ligion end useful learning had not advanced to an extent eommensurate with the great releurces and high position of these bodies." (Hear, hear.) And unless the hen. is ntle man could establish at least a pressen Mtn case against these institutions he had no right to a-k the cr Jun to inte-fere. The honourable gentleman had, in speaking of the interne us wealth of these institutions, confounded the Doe unities with the C Mere, and heel staked of the 120 0001. a year, the income of the fellows of Oxford, and the 90,0001. a year of the fellows of Cambridge, as though the interest of those Universities was the same in regard to these funds u that of Dub ie. Bet the feet was the property of our mil versiti s was very small indeed, that of Oxford depending as the profits of the University prey. The great wealth to which the hon. gentlemen had alluded was the property of the Colleges, and with it the house had no more right to interfere or detect that it should be applied to extending a supply of book, to the University or t o any whir purpose but that to which it was originally devoted than they had to call on the Fishmongers' Company in London to contribute 20,0001. or auy other sum yearly of their ere perty to the supple of books to London and Westmiester. Wan respect to the statutes of the universities. they were in coarse of alteration at this moment. The University of Ox ord had bean a greet reforming body ever since 1800, and at 3 o'clock on that day, when the h on . member told the house that the statutes of that university had undergone no alteration, a gnat measure of university reform was under constderati to in the convocation of Oxford. The writers of the pamphlets to which he had alluded had been guilty of several misstatement'. Though the original statutes in some three or four colleges might enjoin mass and that the Latin language alone should be used, no such regulations could be found in the statutes of the majority of the colleges of Oxford. Then the pamphlets referred to an oath being required from the students to obey statutes to which Seep could not conform; but would the house believe it, ne oath whatever was required to be taken to obey the' statute*, the oath having been abolished in 1537, and is lima of the oath the Vice-Chancellor at matriculatioe admonished the candidate that it was his duty to obey the statutes as far as he could. He denied that there was that profane laxity in regard to the articles of religioa of which the hon. gentleman had spoken, and referred to the statements of several of the university tutors showing that the candidates were always rigorously examined in the history of the Bible and the &urines of the church of England, as contained in her catecbism and Ve thirty-nine articles. He could rot help thinking that in the eighth count in this indictment the real object of the hon. member lay concealed. That object was there sated tote to facilitate the registration of electors for the universities, and he believed the reel object of the hen. member was to facilitive the admietini of d_, Inters. (Hear, hnr.) The hon. gentleman had flatt e r e d hi s r i g h t h n. friend and a distinguished relative of tho right boo. gentle man in the chair by regretting that the want of such neje tin had prevented his supporting them at the late election for the university as he had wished to do; but the late was the boo. gentleman wished to become a member of the electoral body of the university, and finding that he could only be qualified by subscription he wished to remove that which was the bar to to the admission of dissenters. (Hear, hear.) The whole question resoved itself into thie—whether dissenters should be admitted or not, and that question had already been fully discussed and decided by parliament. He contended that dissenters could have no tight to admission to any of the colleges of our two ancient universities, for though Henan catholic, might urge that in some few instances col leges had been founded by members of their religion for the dissemination of that religion, and that therefore they had a right to admission, no such claim could be urged by the dissenters. The large majority of the property of the two universities of Oxford and Cambridge had been devoted te protestant purposes, and confided to protestant bends. With regard to the professorial and the tutorial system he held a list in his band, which would show that the cols leges at Oxford were furnished with the most competent tutors. The senior tutor of that university was well known, and had indeed been mentioned by the hon. mover—namedy, Mr. Stanley, the son of the late Bishop of No rw i c h. l a Baliol and Oriel colleges the tutors were firsecless men, and the same might be said of the tutors of several of the other colleges. The hon. member had observed that the greatest number of the founders had left their property for the benefit of the souls of themselves and their successors. He (Sir R. Inglis) admitted that so far as All Souls was concerned that might have been the case ; but when the church of England bad reformed itself parliament was asked to sanction that reformation, which it did and parliament had made it illegal for any fellow of All Snub, for the last 300 years, to say mass. When. Hine James the First granted to the two English universities the right of sending members to parliament, it granted these members the privilege of making statements in defence and explanation respecting the universities they represented. Here, then, was he (Sir R. Inglis) surrounded on the present omission by the two hon. members for the University of Dublin, the two hon. members for the University ofCambridge, and his hen.col league the hon. member for the University of Oxford, each of whom, he was sure, would at least be able to satisfy the house touching the rights and privileges granted by King James the First. He might, however, advert to one circumstance in proof of the extreme unwillingness displayed on the part of the University to depart from the principle u; on which it was originally estabed. The student of one college had lately left 20,0001. to that college, upon condition that they would add to their number four fellows. They refused the offer. Their founder had required that the number of fellows should be forty, and they positively declined, not withstanding the tempting nature of the offer of 20,0001., to add four fellows to the original forty. (Hear.) The hon. mover had complained that the college in question bad few scholars, bat those few as it happened had not been the least distinguished in the university. The general denrip. tion of university men had been classed by the hon. opener under three functions : they were eating dinners, going to chapel, and reading books; bat it should be re co ll ec t e d th a t it was part of the duty of university men to read books and go to chapel, and that it was an inevitable necessity upon their parts to eat dinners. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) The hon. mover had alleged that the University of Oxford had been suffering ever einem thetimo of Laud ; but he had not brought forward any evidence to sustain that anent in his indictment. Another allegation was that many discoveries in theology had been made since Land's time, and that it would require clever and able men to teach these dime's rine But all the truths of theology were contained in the blessed bible, and en discovery which did lot pref e r that as its origin and foundation, its Justification and explanation, could never be worth teaching or knowing. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member had laid it down in his motion that " the mode of tenure of college property ought to be amelio rated, particularly in Ireland." Doubtless that was a point upon which the hon, members for the University of Dublin would be perfectly able to reply. But then it we. said Ox ford was so much more monastic than Cambridge, that it must be a question whether it would not be desirable to throw open that college. Now, whatever might have been the character of Oxford in former days—and that unreliable historian Gibbon, bad called its inmates monks— yet their habits at the pneent time did not justify any such appellation. Its venerated president, who at the age of 93, retained all the freshness sad vigour of mind that would do honour to • man half his a g e was certainly not at the head of • slothful body. (Hear.) The hon. mover bad next said that it was mesa and degraded to make • man sign the RI articles when he same to take kW degree, bat was it not man mean and degrading for a man to sign these articles for mere temperer, rewards and purposes if he did not mean to abide by them ? (Hea r , hear.) n. (Sir It, Inglis) stated, as a general defence of the University of °mord—sad he could not defend Oxford without at the MOO time defending Cambridge—that the professorial eye. mm, which so messy p none seemed anxious to restore, be. legged to the Infancy of eduation and not to its maturity. (Mer e beer.) He could not agree with those who weal transfer the nomination of professors to the grown, become he believed that better men than thou hitherto appointed by eonvocition could not have been found In Betsland ; and he was quite prepared to de. fend the elections of fellow* which had taken place both at Queen's and Exeter colleges. He denied that the duties of die heads of colleges were light. With respect to the *t ot young men, a statement from an anxious father appeared in the papers,ln which It eras eaid that the gunnel IMMO of expenditure above income o f 15 young men had been 8601. It had been said by Lord Bowdon that students ought to diminish their expenses • bat he would rather say that parents ought to evince less ruklasaness. (Hear, hear.) Wherever the son was aware that his father was worth 20,0001. • year or so they might be certain that he, mains properly instructed on the subject, would act accordingly, sad find it easy to get credit. But he contended that as regarded the necessary expense of the university that it came within the means of the middle chases. Taking four outs in the university of Oxford for 1849, he found that the expense of the first was 851., the second 921., the third 91. , and the fourth that of a clergyman who obtained his degrees with the small sum of 3301. One of the heads of colleges told him that his expenditure while in the university amounted to only 1301 • year. There were in the univer silty from 1,800 to 2,000 students, and if 1G or 20 of them got into debt, and for debt into the Insolvent Court we heard of nothing else f<r • while; imputations were freely cast upon the management anti the corporation, and the root of the evil left undisturbed. Our legit!' ion was most imperfect as a means for controlling young men in such reckless expenditure. The fault lay with the parent in neglecting his early education, and in sending him to c 'liege with his po:kete full of money. It would be a great source of regret to him (Sir R. Inglis) if his noble friend (Lord J. Russell) were to sanction this motion, and thereby hazard the value of universities which contributed so largely to the reputation of England, to the improvement of literarure, and the advancement of science. The honourable baronet c included by denying what he said war some time ago imputed to him by tho Tight hen. gentleman, the Muter of the Mint. nsmely, that he had even canvassed for his election. He thought it war pretty well known that candidates were not permitted to canvass, nor bo present during nor for some time previous to an election. Mr. FOR FESCUE supported the motion, as a member of and a friend to the university. He believed that such an inquiry would disclose very little that any individual need be ashamed, and nothing more in the way of abuse than it was natural for any great corporate body not acted on by the public voice to have fallen into. The reformation itself had to be effected by an exteraal agency acting with the crown. Throughout a great part of the eighteenth century the unit , tonne, in common with our corporations, remained in a torpid state. From the beginning of the pre sent century he admitted that great improvement had taken ppiece in them, °wit g perhaps to the g rea tly i ncrease d intel ctual light that had shone within them. But while he admitted the% be must main'ain that there still ex isted in them many obsolete institutions which ought to be abolished. There was much in these universities to be proud of as sources of educatioo for the higher classes in this country, but he could not core-al from hfinelt that there was much also to deplore. They saw great and noble found's. tions established for purposes which they no longer fulfilled. They saw 530 fellows enjoying an endowment of 116,0011., and only • few of them performing service Lathe university, while a great many of them were elected, not on account of merit, but on account of certain benefices they held in certain dioceses, or of certain lawn they held by their family. When he saw these things be felt how difficult it was for any great corporation to cony out reform without the aid of public opinion acting upon the agency inside. He believed that there was a great deal of life and vigour in the universities. He knew there was in the universit of Oxford, in its youn ger members; but they were shut tled by the statutes of the univerai.y, and be thought it was the du:y of the state to come to their relief. He could not conceive a way in which the state could do grerver service than by so disposing of those great foundation, which were equal to the revenues of many of the petty kingdoms of Europe, without diverting a farthing of any ot them to any other purpose than edu cation. It they wanted • p recedent, they had one in t9^ ecclesiastical commission. He should like to sea such • commission appointed to inquire into the state of our univer sities—men of high character, who would go into the in quiry, not with a hostile intention, but with a desire to amend and improve, so u to make them more useful to the community. Mr. FAGAN said that he should confine his observa tions tithe *object of Trinity CiAlege, Dublin. Planted in the midst of a populaion, seven-eighths of which professed the Roman catholic penulliol2, placed there with an income of some 70,0001. or 80,0001. a year, with the rents of 200,000 acres of land at their disposal, and plated there, to use the words of the Lord Lieutenant of the day, at the period when the charter of Elia • beth was granted, for the purp tse of giving a liberal education to the people of the country. Well in that anomalous condi tion in which that university was, he defied any man in that house to say that it had afforded anything like adequate education to The pzeple of that country. It was quite true that Line* 1793, or rather lines 1791, the Roman cetholics had been admitted into that university, and could take degrees there, but at the same time they acre nearly altoge ther excluded trim the honours and emoluments of that great establishment. It was calculated that no more than fine seventy-fifth of Ise honours and emoluments of that institution were within the reach of the Roman catholic.; and the natural constqueuce was that the !loosen catholiss did not go in any numbers to that university. The number of Roman catholic students there in a Roman Catholic country, did not amount to more thUlibifty in each year. They could not gain a fellowship or a scholarship. He could uodcntand why they could sot gain a fellowship. It was because all the fellowships but two were intended for those who intended to ewer the church, but why they should be precluded from scholarships be could not understand. And what was the consequence? He was ashamed to acknowledge it, but he understood it ass the constant practice fur Roman catholic' to confsrm far five years for the purpose of obtaining these scholarships. Now, he contended that there was nothing in the original charter of Elizabeth, and that there was nothing in the mare exclusive charter of Charles the First to prevent Roman catholic. from obtaining these scho larships. He only hoped that the house would reform these great universities, which were capable of being made extremely uscul, and that the intentions of their rounders should be carried out. Mr. NAPIER said he really was not surprised, when he heard the masa of mis-statuments that were pat forward in that hone, as to the iastitutions of Ireland especially, and the church and the universities, at the opinions many per sons entertained with regard to those institutions. He be. aeved the best answer that could be given to many of the arguments urged by gentlemen on the other side of the house was simply to state the true facts. Let him, in the first place, state that the land re ee of Trinity College were less than the sum that was granted to Msynooth. And the revenues of Trinity Col lege arose party from private endowments, because it was composed as well of grants made by private indi viduils from time to time, as from the bounty of the crown. And then the Roman catholic. retained the exclusive use of their own college for those who professed their own religion, while they made use of Trinity College, and now they (the protestants) were accused of illiberality, and they were called upon to address her Majesty to ask her to maintain a great and fundamental change in the constitution of Trinity College. He would say that the peculiarity:of Trinity College in allowing Roman catholic. to participate in the education given there, was of great advantage. It was not true that they could not participate in the honours and emoluments. They participated in enry honour and emolument, save those connected with the foundation—namely, the fellowships and the scholarships, and one professorship, which the will of the founder required should be given to • protestant, and a me dical professorship, which, by an act of parliament, was also so confined. But all the other honours and emoluments were as open to a Roman catholic as they would be to himself. Then this was not an institution which was created and founded in a period before the *formation; in which case the cath thee would say they were the persona that founded it, and it had been trend. rred to the protestants. But Trinity College was founded by Elizabeth. True it was there were some efforts to found universities before the peeled of Elizabeth. As he observed in that house on • former occasion some gentle= n more learned in history than himself had discovered that there were some previous unlveniiies, and that Elizabeth by way of destroying thee' universities esiablished Trinity College. But Trinity College was founded to maintain the pro- Wawa religion in Ireland. Whether that was right or wrong was another matter. It continued to admit only protestant" till the year 1793, in which year an act of parliament was passed for the purpose of enabling Roman catholic. to enter the university and take degrees, and that act of parliament carefully provided that they should not be members of any lay corporation. Now, as he said before, so far it had worked well. He had been educated with some Roman catholic, at the university; he had been afterwards on terms of the happiest intercourse with them ; and he thought that such a system was calculated to soften some of the aspenues that would otherwise embitter society. Several of these Roman catholic had taken honours there and distinguished Runnel's., and he was sure he did not grudge them any fair reward for their talent and industry. But the university being founded to maintain the protestant reli dlon, and having Nand that it could be liberal without etriment to its own proper purposes and admit Roman catholic. to the general advantages of that university, while it could not let them into all without committing suicide—if that were the case, how was it to be brought forward as a grievance 1 Allusion had been made to the small number of Roman eatholies who availed themselves of the advantages of Trinity College. If any class availed themselves of these advantages, it would be the middle class; and, looking at the proportion which Roman catholic* ben to protestants in respect of property, he found it almost exactly to correspond with the proportion at the university, which was , about one-tenth: of the whole number. Unfortunately, many of his fellow-countrymen game over for their education to this country—to Ottani ; and thus a college, denounced for its intense bigotry, was pre leered to one which admitted Roman catholic,. An other misstatement was this—that • by law was passed after thews of 1793, to compel young men to take the sacra ment as a condition of attending at college. Something of that kind had been stated in a book, published, as he under- Mood, at the charge of the hon. member who introdu* d this motion, which contained as large • number of untruths as any hook he had ever met with. What took place was this the visitors stated that they were in the habit of inquiring whether the candidates tor scholarships received the sacra ment on Malty Sunday; and if they found that any had not done so, further inquiry was made as to their religious principles,and this had led to the discovery that one w Roman Catholic. It was said there had been Inatome Roman Catholics remaining five years in the college repo dialing their religion for that time, and afterwards to up again. lie had never heard of such cum ; but were true, what did it amount to? That when a Umtata univcrei:y opened it doors and freely adositud ot i to come in and partake of its advantages, those advent, were suck u to limit them to forsake their faith. Ei the Roman catholic' must complain that they were abut or that this temptation was thrown before them. Whet of place would they make of Trinity College ? Would build a Roman catholic chapel opposite ifs door, could such a system be carried cut ? ActOrdivit - 0 argument it wee impossible to have an institution f',at on a protestant basis, for the purpose et mailman :nog protestant religion, and having the clew, and laity eda m together, and slowing the Roman catholic laity to sha le same advantage. Re had been told by one of the student Trinity College that the system of admitting Rou t , c. , lice at present worked very eel . , and all was hum or , , that if they were let in upon the foundwions they "male regarded as an aggressive body, and jealousies would,: up. In respect to the other part of the motion, the member for North Lancashire bud truly stated the respecting the progress of academic bodies ; but that rule much better laid down in the Dahlia Uoiversity es;, for this year, as one of the subjects proposed to students. The provost and senior fellows had the pow modifying the course of education. They had done 1833, introducing all the modern ircprurentarits untie that time. In the present year they had altered the d for undergraduates; and a mere complete, sound, liberal committal of modern education was nut int.( in any univenify in the world. Nu branch of le lag was neglected. Something had been said abutter) languages. In Dublin Univ./say they tut cmuniew and professors in German, Sieniele, Italia', and Ire and they had honours for them all. (Hear, hut.) A important school had been recently established, that of engineering; about 70 students attended it, which could do br about 10/. over the e :pease of !Letting Rams on the books ? and ihns obtain a most perfect tlon in a course of civil engineering. The Roman (.4 had an opportunity of getting the best education on the terms as any Pr -distant had; but the emoluments wen sore point. The income of tho tensor fellows 1,3001. a-year ;of the junior fellow", whose pre , exertions to obtain a fellowship were such as to require to peril the whole mutts of .heir lives on the stump' then they itieiht bc disappointed—the utmeet locum/ 6001. cr 70 , 01. a year. Surely these wets not exorbitant the former attained only at the end of a long We of toil no class of men ought to be more honoured and rt sp than these wt o devoted themselves to toe purposes of tint. But the hon. member wante4 to get t 0... tut ried. laugh.) He ought to knew the: that u interdicted. Mr. SADLEIR, after stating that the lint, at nth Trinity College comprised 230,000 acne, argued tr.. small amount of receipts from that vast area, only ..., being the nit revenue of the university, proved V whole e dablishment was very badly managed, and r• reform. On this text the hon. member foueded an • - tic discourse in favour of a remodelling of the tenant system in Ireland. Mr. G. A. HAMILTON wished to advert to one only, as to the management M the collegi.te short time afro a proposition had been mode by tr, , to carry out the recommendations of the D ran c x, Legal difficulein not originating with the Board o' T College were interposed; bat the board were now ;,e eaucication with the Lord Lieutenant of !relaxed to subject, and it was hoped that measures w matured during the present session of pir..ament to ' the comeleints and objections made by a.: boo. sex'. opposite ()Ir. Sadleis). Colonel THU/11'80N said that one of the tarred sem, advantage and happiness he had had dieting tie 1 a o have had the good fortune of belonging to the univ, re , Cambridge. Bat without meaning in its smallest any unfriendliners to the universitioe he felt bout:: t knowledge that they were gully of soniethis g very - approaching what he would call a fraud. fee thee . • riaht to exclude dissenten from the advantages of educe But undoubtedly the universities must in the end pee because they were in error, and they should act in fermi:y with the trogress of the times in whisk w • He could not allow the dictum of the hon member University of Oxford to pus without at least sej in" disagreed with him. The hon. member had slid Mat was no right in pirliament—meaning thereby to speak whole got...moment, of which parliaencht was a com,, part—to interfere with the decisions or doctrines ~ church of England. lie apprehended that was r.ot t. was contrary to the opinion of his (Colonel Thompse• - • of the house, and of a taxi s portion of the country. should Tote ET the motion of the hon. member. Lord J. RUSSELL—Sir, in addressing the home o important subject I feel seesibly.the great disadv .r.' having had no personal experience with re•pect to two great universities which are main ly the :eject. o motion. It is however so important that same cutm'Ar house should state the views which government ere to take of it, that it is for that purpose I address the on the present occasion. Let me say, in the nest ;,.. do not think it would be possible for me to ernes. motion as now placed before the house, comticl.: • number of questions and placing them in a term which the hon. member for the University of Oxford to say form a bill of indictment against the waiver.; ies. In ever way I view this Subject I should say, at the that I car. see no cause for adopting any plan of I or, to which the name of indictment can be applied . there is any cause for considering that then univer.:" the object of accusation by a majority of this hou: sir, in considering this subject there is another per: subject which I think should be kept totally apart tr main subject of motion now before the house. I do r. that the question, important as it is, of the admire. r seaters to universities should be considered together* question of any improvement in the plan of educe: tner dissenters should be admitted to study in the 1.• ties—a bother they should be admitted at OnCc. set • the power of admission should extend, does ant , err be a question of principle as important as the hoc. :- for the Uneversity,of Oxford said,wheo it was debars years ago at great length in this house, when L r t - made a most able speech in favour ei mission of dissenters to the universities, • , signed reason. that have never been answered. r , occasion I do not think there has been onythdor - or • administration. Tne Irish parliament deeol,4 when they admitted Roman catholice to degrees ix voreity of Dublin. Ido not this k, therefore. that a. •. at all take into consideration the question of the of dissenters; but when I proceed further in this .7 portant question, with respect to the education .: English universities--approaching the subject wd.. ..• care and all the respect which is due to these , must, in the first place, say that I do tot think ::. 7 be any objection, and 1 do not thick try h a. . member for the University of OsMrd made • jection in principle to the appointmert of a core-, to consider the state of these universities in erten education that tney give. The precedents are cu on the subject ; the precedent which has bet.:. to of a conmaistion to inquire into the Stet: of the , , of England may, w ith due respect to the at . -.- of that church, be cited. Then there was the , memo- - inquiring into the S ••otch universities. That wes an :: which was instituted g Ile to endow schoois for cation of the poorer classes under L vet Brougham s inquiry. All these are precedents which show the::: : no objection in principle, to the appointment of a Con. They show still further, that those who are leading - these universities ought not to consider it any disperse , - them, if a commission is appointed on a subject so em: , :r. to the people of this country. Basing thus ihsteu the principal matter, I will now proceed to consider a-... , there is sny case—whether there is any ground of :.:e• and experience why such a commission shouid be errs In considering that subject we must consider the elms ! which these universities have undergone a late years: s let me first state that I think it wit he geaeralt agn (certainly it must be acreed by all who arroyo of changes that have lately taken place) that the eeta . given in our unirenities some twenty or even so ad. , ten years ago, was not adequate to the Imo., and the wants of the present day. t hear.) I b., stated to me Ma letter tram a person who was eagae , classical education at Oxford, that some It) pars tt:. • mistry was entirely neglected ; that although the 7. honours in mathematics, mathematics were little se . , to; that modern history scarcely received any stun. , that they seldom went beyond Herodotus and L0y... , aid of small portions of 'recites. Neither Honier.lcu • Plato, Cicero, Demosthenes, Plautus. Quintilian. 0.: minor orators were read by any large portion moat diligent young men, except in preparation ter examination. My correspondent goes on to state, it these last few years these defects have been corrected . the univereity is no longer open to that reproach, a... these authors have been made objects of attention a. study. But in making the change that I have state?. is evidently still a very great defect, and which l this.: be admitted by all who candidly consider this sub je.- decisions that have been lately made, both at VitubriO at Oxford, the important subjects of modern hates been admitted as questions for exam: : They then became questions of study to the but then the question arose, how to combine that tt hel hitherto been the distinctive character of our u• ties, via., the study in the colleges, with the instrue professors who were named aad appointed to tesco moot important sciences. On this subject, those h.!. have spoken, who have been educated at these who have taken, some of them, an importer:t part Sion, they say there is a very sonsielerable defect, iv , that defeat consists very much in the restrictions et x . placed by the deeds of endowment of the separate with regard to the mode of electing to the fellow, ' ~ , appears to me that unless this detect can be com,• 1 remedied, that the great changes which hoe, introduced both at Oxford and Cambridge CO. nee, the full advantage you ought to expect from them you ought to expect from the introduction of 1e... modern history; from the introduction of leetut• chemistry and political economy. is that the you,. shall have in the colleges sufficient instruchon subjects to enable them to derive all the .1 lectures which they would hear from the prO•c•s..r this subject there are two reasons of defi c iency. one , - suf pr o fessor ticiently csan o o f t te o n to, the . the benefit they ought to derive; en , ' • next place that the colleges having been 1 . , -• with a view to another mode of instructe"• is mere favourable to classical learning at Oxford, sr. I , enableatte attendance at of tel the od.:o(urn matical learning at Cambridge, you hive not. Colleges, fellows who are able, or inelined . It i : studies to carry the young man en n tit . ledge of those parts of learning which '' •-•••••••• r 9 e tee of reps. tee, Pr,. otleere et on kiael I thq How o ttu jaded 'll ', :Mired re die :Mein t•tho. hot ddb, rprir roe e rile le Rs, cdar o th ewer 41 lain 4 4 et eta's, , ,ad •ented learn. Ildaa ati 4,1 read, , et', nt c, ‘ ,l they their e Kee- . ••••;., re *; u e •lit er r. .e., , ri. r :gee. : ,• I •I • , • Crel, I• tr.! ••••: . 4 1, , •••• • ! •.•s • • • It • :4 . 1 r. 1 C,L• • .. . r •r.e r. • 11.5 re .1 t: . . • C.:. ill 7C ,‘ • ".• tr•: •. . • • • •• •• • :‘ • . • • ::at ••• • . • * • • .. • .4: . •••• lOgeo ;reed t the :c ,c.: 1%, • M• • 2 :t6 • • 6: • 1: • • • • • • • •