The Express. — London, England, 1850-04-13 00:00:00

M *foa ere m donee, ale the of of Um intoise, tate the malaria of 'Moles in tho solo ▪ 'Teat committee would be obliged to semi is the ibe u rl :,, 6 ., 'nommen'. Ttat woe hie traperime. sod be did t b .6 diet 'my toga would mesh fovea the eggelatmest t i n toossitee. He was owe who bad %%forts • mo s. h• end years coramitters. sad time' .Ll° i .-newire en led etsemie of Frost importasee to is 1. s. err streeered is genius eaythiag tinted. ~ k g eter.l The 'obi* lard mum allow him le tll`p . ; b i t if t`e meet of the mementos should be la eith ale wiesee d the world it would be ,• „,,,g4t, but if sot it wor ld wed he acted spew. 11 1 •• wet *mat to ham goy materiel reduat this way to go about it. What they ought to do w • s sarjorPy of the home should exprres their die • e • 'lli the pretest imams of mils lee, sad all on their own mepoeribility to mAte - them (Chien.) He world rote for the • Seesese he thought that it we calculated to 12 " L che in the rerryiog oat of the prirelple of is. IT. •, • The hon. gvitleman then brought forward many .. rov i n e the weelmentse of the reformer committees n . . .07,,rt. Blood piaiug ialtiemetion, committm , red. miler govoinment west sleep with there, c ar „. teen was ant a Maple fact which you mold ed ert ..you en titbit! penes, subject to, sad au ,; : the eon•manl of the government. (Hear, If W.O OA • hen Founds he thought that • ry into thee:perm of the diplomatic service ought • listsk - u by the esreutive. Planer( r‘dactiou had . . •i Mooch' on by the head of the goy , mental my pre,hius committee, and they were at ones he the Cerise. Then, se to the jadgira, there woe h ies wbi . n Omit salaries were iccreased, and there le suck difficulty M getting the holm to ~ •• , a d.eresse wiMost cne. What was there la „ it,. .her a ematuittee to irgoire kite i Tao At had armed the salaries as ti.ty thought right. • mini•me could only get information trim the.M. • hentee.ves who would at course say only what , • views of the peernment. As to the diplomatic . rt. a Jody could know mare about it than the . the tertiary for Foreign Affairs. He knew • t and every one crecteted with it, he wanted no e to inligmen him, and, therer re, there was no t :et coltulated at once to propose a redaction. (Hear.) • • • .eiminted a cmimittee Lord Palmerston would be ~nae ore.oculd, Ws views would be eked ad to. and why t let as tat once s e is ". „. !be Luse. (Rm.) He (Mr. Hume) supported this nt, free from any consideration of party. Th. • stabs my that it was not mug the govrrommt „ • ... thleamendment, ming that they (the govern , • -. w:i:iag to place the matter in the heeds of a burly stamen. There might appear some foundation • :want .t first glans, but aft, r the instances that ,• I ore) hsd gives , the house would se* that that , : •. • .e to eapetting any good to coma from a committee. . • ..loty of t.e eoyeromes.t themeless to coma be• t. pore re,.u:tiscs. The sight hon. mem& r for . • •• . .oa a former occasion decliosd coming forward sc.lllld his tee, but the noble lord and his colleagues ". • .era their tee, and should be ready at one. to , •...:1 plan of reduction to the house. The • . s •thci.st cocildsuse in the government to map : • • say amount at tneir Muds They bad already all •. . that (meal be procured from &commit:es. Ha • tent% and he was not to refuse, when a favour : • • fitted, Mums it came from owe who bad • •t be.n vary active in promoting public economy. SLEr aid that when he datum the noble lord's utterly at a bee to know what the noble lord . M bad no• ma •b iaerased the amount of Ms the noble ►ard's observatsons. r 4 I s: Ent intimat.d whe.her the ONAttlill to be the Pomade,* was to be ridge:lens or to.. .• Healey'r) impression was that the whole • . • I Ls 'lse eroded:lcm of another blue boob. --.itraties they had of the noble lord's intentions . . them to •uppewe that he did not aces redaction, • p• ict the noble lord prupeeed to refer to the ani the judicial selsries. The arreransmit had • . e Mi. a that subject already, mad the how kaew • •nu it w.a a step= the way of redaction. (Hear, . thia proposal fa • committee • practical r tat ? He doubted it eery meets. (Hear, I before had select lememitters ea ewiesseee, end that C3llnittell reported • Ai sot tales it right to deal with • attain • . •evisig that they had an all salaries of • 1 , - thew Tau chewed what was to hi AZ •or-Ittecs. In bis opiakts eke gaily hope a .-.• 'a • ow up. n the government. They hod •••... power to elect retrenchment, ant had • o • j•; egg of its necessity. They could gain • • manse g ute matter to • csninsittee, and there o.d suNeert the motion of his hon. trawl lb. Mit kingkaasttiro. . . V tNE, belt wag that this committee would t•—rolieviast that e,ononty would be pew • • i• m u fu as was connotent with the interests of -y int tessad to vote for the committee, sad • . a-tecilmeat. t.7LEY BERKELEY said :hat aotwith • ; to haw, bun tne practice la lat. he the scoo. let tie votes of members is their favour, “want .4 • diaaintiem of parseaser.t, he amend t • •• roe nu vote amareing to his conscience end the ~ nt•tinn. He 'Could ewe his asocial support loth* • • s• ' .or. friend .he member tor Buckingham. • s. • t` . . , • r •esoo,tost he believed theithi• a:tempt of pr dewing every demire to eacioomile-- • the •e•porieibilior t root %booming to • committee ii of of Cosansecs—wae Rabin more nor I se them • - .a to emirs the subject altogether. (Cheers.) . • ii :lie par of It. people, • lair sad honest is.. - • -% c. caplet, aal sacient each my as should re •..r.try Iran the Caress it wee now suffering. - • • tte nppositioa.) But when le hood the noble • downs wilt • fair and simple prepaid el • y as .n•teateur to threw the responsibility alto •. • shoal. we, le, as • feu-train, amid not ehterity of his intentiosh (Cheers from the • - •ti trim of '• Oh. oh," sad laughter, !rota the • ....a :as.) If the ir Jumada' nuly were to lighten • at ei naive tie distresses of tre eeeetry, why • • the cans Os themselves and pitapat their r • • r remedy' / that datum she-k their mu • ••• ted—Ortseioal cheers from the Uaisterial • • - .of seekiag to shift the respecsibiiity sat • '' •.e Hasse of Commons ? (Bear, hear) He • ' every memo., woad, note ithstshelsars the threat .•va, stand by his Olabalitualtill. and hot allow the • • '. by carrylag their swims for a committee, to • - ,u•nion to some future time, which tiny might : • • (H•ar.),. hIiCIDI was 'tamely prepared L.r se Swoon '•• s...nota, etas Irma hi, hon. friend, as tau in • a:I-as:ad to the Lou. as a fr-e trader to cony out :•• . .c almost tree same breath ascr.beei th• die tt 'he country to free teed. measures. (Ireolad ..• th• protecutaists.) lie was Oct obje..tieg to • • t. sty of bon 'cuticula's opposite, but to the is . • .• to of his boa. fraud. Jt appeared to him is 1. - rd (.1 Kumla) bad taken the most straight ! - • r ;or, aLd cohstitutional coulee. I Hear, hear.) • 11 q.O Commons was the constitutonal tribute' on • .41. ting the taxation and e zye.ditere of the • Mar) ; —and the proposition fur a committee •• use a Cotonou to investigate and amtorteia whit .oimst be made in regard to the salaries of '• -•,••••• wee founded on consti'utional th••• • • a tatty had all the informastioa beer* • It to etch* °win to arrive at a correct judg.. • "Ojict• ebete 4 en with the h. n. member hematite, but he din not Nat* in the boa. •- 'dement that they had. (Hear, hear.) He "•• y had eansidershe iolorination, p e g ..ps seta ,ne a the mow tof the several salasie., but to •oi to decide satalactonly what three sAlas;ss I.r tit. latex they reel-aired to know somashiag t• • r .--ss for isistantt , •h• nature and 'vest of the chased by each puo..c savant, the cep uditare to ssexios with those duties he was sap gad, sad • • shish should he taken into automat is salon nyey sad permanent arreagesett. (Hear, hear.) •• •• w teat desirable that when they intettered in this 'y place it 0. ce for all on • peemehent •-. avoid the ilWollVtbir Lee of bri,ging the mead. of • reticle &tare the pabiie 1/0111 time to time. (Hair, • When t•.e mini- er of the crown came I.,rwerel • reduetaira in the salerk lof public ‘ffie• re, it was teat he should h. twined by the reew..inerelevient me' tient the h• use, an 4 Int this resew', that it would • : the zolaister in an whir position to Pell upon his ro?srest . lity Vs proems reductions is hl. own • 'he seigits of .Ran 'Bern of the state, whereat, et the aerial of a sommittee of the Hogue el •.e wool'. Stand Ins trans prejudice, all risk of • -• wheel he avoided, sad he would be enab'ed to :he redactions with an un.poing hand. (Hear ) • •• o °. a Prolion•se this enurse, had premien% in . .e Ater* chubs be so doubt that SS it WAS the ^l' le. ws ale it esu the constituti eel, them they head tom noble lord propane, w- ice had fur its e bjeet the redee•ion of the '•' bolters. sad eosin-Mos of the dilleol•ies remise such • conews-on to ;mist 'olortit the tvet.e would be westing I. that • `"" di.' t • the sold, lord and the ministry, it • 0 • 1 dr them to he eat ramped by the woad . lumber for Beekieghanwhire—( hoer) • •ta proposal," of the noble lord to he jilt voce, r • *nomad give it hie cordial support. Lreel era% of • irate ) • It. s elmi•ted the the governs at iota ided to • 'hat lemineh of expeadi•ere to which it i• the ameadment of his boa friend ( tr.• • ' shad the limits of the ig.vtmieasst pre . • .• *bertha..., prehralel,. To. a 'hey had to 6 . 14 lunge of preceeding wee he a new wr.ether lie revereasent shoul.l stet • • eiel.ey of 'he reemstioas oft threat Ives I • •'d .1 tsio,e bemired iato the nature and ' •e • let the starts' Whet, and bed '.elided is a• to the • rent to set ice the redaction. Il• er, hear.) It so, the Homes of Commons " • Lleare they eamematal to go loon tow ' I ohe st••• fairly aad 'goal, what they me 5. • cede lord. is • doe WWI hi ' • r••ps. c i boa she bongo, wee nest desks, " 7 ' 11 •••• ) The Roble hird rained la his S ''"loeew'•e4hd&Mudybeenmadeby eta * eissoot, mod oho to thew which had re . ..__. ee rre;etterpiesscelinqeiri,esile ','l tke ivory ye., ert thAt.tht, ...b ebh witts•4 tbs. the Astute* .4 rs '''er, elected by the govelawat these.lves. h of kora eras leaki4 lit reams N voirsioNNl should he the mesa f • is the puldte expediter. as tles meson Mete sof the emstry, and • dee regard to the ea =of the ph* service, demeaded. The news lord SWUM* forgive Ma Is, espies that he wee led to dash the mho theurity in Wileg to redeem the expesillhe when be • eemmilttee se the memo of arriving et OM sad. (Hear t hear.) The emporium of the working of committeespve little nth that ether than dm latish= ef the gmesument hula Soh est of them. He Imbed urea the males et ft him Mead (Mn. Dim mai) es the mere medial, book stralaheihmerd, and welstinitieael the two, smil thelebie he hal he bealtatien teleg e t 1111'=titat if say him essealat ea Me Me the hives Ms awed to gem whb the km geal lemma the member ler asebtXembhe s be theaght_iibe meld ampirla the pmed wpga be shed* as ea Ms laNevalthet he wield be Imiameal la oohs to esti a emostmlea ss: N: peemigat opinion that there he eased le the mem of that home, ry li te that eemmitteee wen to a great 'meat sham The lens main led him (Um Bright) to tossing the pereltha of the bra. Beetles= with format wham he feet mad it ; but ea eamiaing lofted la it wallbag semsgeal the say thins thet Gould Mee hem the gageistamat et emelt tee, seeerdiag Ihdr superbness elite miles el sommit tem. The hm. guabosa's mopesidea Mil age Oldie the house to say pedants's ef expenditure, nor &glare that the ezpsediture on mecum of haries was tee greet. (Hoar, hear.) If the hes. gentleman had made a rehatential pro position, if he had pledged tee hoses to the direst opinion that the meth expenditure was es megrim one, and that it wu the duty of the government ad the hones to reds°, it, no:htag should hats imbued hies (Mr. Bright) to give his vete for the upsisammat et a ecommittee, is opposition to such a 'liberals' gwegashism Bat the he.. member for Butkinghamshire, la the muse of his speech, gave no ex. peetation of a departure frees the policy ha had hitherto followed epos these quashes. lles proposition before them was this, shah the government at one make such re Ouches at they may think proper, or shall a committee in vestigate the question, and then recommend to the house what shall be done. He w.a of opiaion that U the com mittee could he fair and impartial, a committos would be the better course on many grounds. All the g-stienten os the Treasury benches were directly and persosally latereeted in maintaining their salaries at their presost amount He did not mean to gay or insinuate that one of them, any more than himself, it he were one of them, would hare to keep his salary at 6,0001, if it ought ti be only 4.0001 Bet there was that tendency in the human mind to regard these things with a petal eye, which made him prefer that the question should be left to a committe • thee to th • re. cipients of those salaries themselves. (Hear.) Besides that, the Roy/rot:sent were beset with itifitencen out of doors which it we almost impotaible wholly to resist. He believed that the task would be performed by them with greater inequality sad unfaisness, however honestly they might desire and de. termine to perform it. Another strong reason in favour of a committee was, that all those parties whoa Wades would be hereafter diminished, and that wee sow the certain result of either come, would receive thou reductions less hides. Lastly if made after as investigation by • committee of the hosse,and upon the report of that committee, thin they could possibly do if made by the single act of the prime minister sr other misnhen of the government presiding over the it respective departments. It tne neb:e lord were to appoint such a committee as he (Mr. Bright) had seen appointed on other occasions by the ;what end preceding government', he would:not be treating the house fairly, while be would plaid; show that his object wee to delay and shirk the investigation of the questicn. But Uhe appointed a committee in which the government influence sheuld not predominate, upon which present cr past officials should net farm the majority, and upon which so salaried or pensioned members ot the bcuw should sit, then the noble lord's proposi tion wee better than that of the hon. gentleman eremite. Hopis' the noble lord would use his paramount iellaenee to process such a committee, and calling upon him to ap. ' point it, he should vote in favour of the original motion. ( Hear, hear.) Mr. DAUMMOND sai I that if the centime of the nob!, I lord bore the slightest reeemblane• in any one feature to the picture drawn by the hon. gentleman who had just spoken he would toes la favour of it. The noble lord asked them to inquire. Why, they could only inquire of him—(a laugh) —and yet this was the true pledge of the economic inten tions of the government, for which all financiil reformers mint to vote. It wee not $ ennesittee to reduce one frac , ha of the public expenditure, or do one single thing but make an inquiry. (A laugh.) Were they to take the sable lord's intentions from his own words or from the words of some volunteer reformers whom they might chance to fiod on those benches. le was not- rioue that thithnotion would .ever have been made but far the hon. member for Oxford. (Cheers.) The whole object of it woe to trip up the heels of that hon. gentleman. U. felt muck indebted to the noble lord for thus shortening the labours of the sued. ; for, after this quitioa, it would be absolutely useless to entertain any nther question of &asocial norm. He would co: be led by shy misiver who might seek to bully him by se, eh he would ries away front his post and leave them in contusion. As to this motion, he be lieved that nothing could flaw from it, The CHANCELLOII of the EXCHEQUER said he had humid attentively to all the speeches that had bees made is Emu of the amendment is i•hout discovering a veiled argument against the motion of he Roble friend. He Hes entirely coneurred wi.h the hon. member for Oxford. that it they acted on the proposal, of the hon. members for Mouton and Muylebose they could not arrive at a prow sisal cuslasion It had be en said that the government ought to taker sou themselves the thspoe..ihiliti of making redac tions if deemed necessary. He (Sir C. Wood) neva shrank from such responsibility. Tlte governmeat had very lately dealt with the public establishmests is that say. Bat, in Coder so, they felt, that es regarded sa laries, a different principle ought to guide them. He held that it would be a very unwise and ill-judged economy to reduce public salaries in one fell swoop, without duly and maturely considering the circumstances in each case, the amouat of wurk done, the nature of the t mp!oy , hut, and other e esichrations, which justice, as well as ezpediesey, would suggest. V. bitterer might be his (SI C. Wood's) meshes of his own salary, he differed from the hos. hatter for Bockioghamehire, in thinking that Moisten of hi erown were as impartial judges of their owe Warier, as they would be of oaken under their con huh At to judicial tmoes, hie noble friend thought bet right that they should ant in the slightest degree depend spun the executive government, and that it •at f r Utter that the subject should be inquired into by a committer. The hen. gentleman vaid it would be impossible to summon those eraltre bah the committee. The Lord Cmanceillor did not emessider it beneath his dignity to appear and give evidence before Lord Altherp's committee, and they had that evening the testimeny of the hon. member for Southampton t i the effect that there would be n) cliithuhy in commending the attendance of the other judges. The hon. guiles= n au mistakes in saying that the diplomatic salaries could sot be altered without an act of perhement. The total sum was voted by parliament, but the government could spp ,r -tion it as they thought fit. Thus had the hon. g. ntlesou brought hoard • motion in ignorance of the subject, rasher than get offinel lefurmatios trom a committee. The hen. member for Surrey said the moiler did net costal& a word about reduction. Hie noble friend stated distinctly that he washed to leave the committee entirety free, and therefore declined to give any °pities as to otfie lel salaries; but es re garded both iodide and dipl emetic uteri's he stated it to be his m.iaion that a reduceim ought to be made. The arguments of bon. gentlemen on the oppoeite side tailed to show what hermit: would result from their course it adopted by the house; whilst it would be evident that the 'Redo' of his noble friend (Lord J. Rowell) would lead to direct and practical inquiry ; and he put it to the opium of the house if more success might not be expected to result Ircui it than from the proposition of hon gentlemen oppo site. He called on the hour, therefore, to adopt the: pro. poem% as best calculated to ensure the olyect that the govern hest, as well as the hoses, had in view; and he would then leave them to excretes their judgment between both propose the. (" Hear, hem," and " Divide, divide.") Lord J. MANNERS said that the right hon. gentlemen who had just resumed his seat seemed to fi el quite indignant that a supposition should to lint rmioed to toe effect that the motion submitted by the noble lord at the head of her Majesty's government was caused by a supposition of utheipstion 08 his (Lord J. Manners') tile of the hove.. He begged to ask why it was that a motion of such imp irt• Gam had been deferred to the 'niche of the shim ? ( Hear, hear.) He had often hoard young members commence their Teethes by saying. " they bad listen d to the three of the debate, bat had failed to discover an argument • ufficant to induce them to deport fr..m the course they inten .ed to pursue." But he was not • little surprised to War the right hon. gentleman, the Chancellor of the Bung ter, say he listened in vain for an argument against the proposition o' the noble lord at the head of the mioistry. Now what was that preposition, and what dil the Roble lord and hon. gentlemen at the oppoiits aide propos Why, to submit the question at issue to a committee, and n aive the report of the 'Menai taken by them. But suppose the cossinttee constituted as the hon. member fed Mao. chaster desired it should be—supp ise it manhunt in • fru and liberal spirit—why it wee not at all unlikely that some of the salaries would be reduced by the committee to a point which the noble lord might think wood not be adequate remuneration for the services rendered; and what would then follow ? Why that the noble lard would have to come • forward and cell on the house to Warpage against the re. commendation of that committee. (Heir, hear.) An hon member opposite had said that it the eminence were to he composed, as previous committees were, of eta- an In the army and navy, of noble lords and members of government, he would not vote in favour of it. But what pledge had he received that it would not be ea emastitutea ? (Hear, hear) Tutelar* he called on that bon. earthman sa d reminded him that even yet it woe not too late to amend his vote. L.rd J . BUBBI < LL said the objections w►iek had been made to the proveition which he had the honour to submit that evening did not require much time to answer, because they seem-d to him to have Men all di•povd of for the opponents of the motion themselves. (Hear, hoses.) An bon. member at the opposite side ohjeced to the committee of inquiry, on the ground that it did not go bey trd t time slaw of cams to which it referred, and to welch had loss answered that if all the offices were to he included, the inquiry would last so long that no pmeercul good could be *spewed to come of IL (Hear, hear.) The honourable ..mbar fee Wolframs, for the lira.. time during his long sad boaourmble career, that night re:7arod as mesh its that a eom.itae of intiniry would effect ho good. ("Hear" and laughter) It appeared, however, by the speech of that how gentlemen, teat he, on a former mast in, mend on the government the formation of a committee to isqufre into army, navy, si.d ordnases affairs, sod that the committee wee productive of great advantages. (Hear.) However, the hem. member for 111mtrose wee of opsoirat, ea jodsing bees his speech, that a select committee brought out a great deal a truth on the evidence, sad made many facts knows whisk otherwise would have Indio cone sled. ( Ileac, hear Oath was ►is abjection to s seicct coiam.i3se ; bat IN (L.rd THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, APRIL 13, M. J. Swell) thought that ohjeetten anewered itself. (Hear, beat) He did set attribute to the hos. member fee Moo *rose a desire to sewed the Path; bat yet the hen. radio Rea gemmed to hail some alarm as to the rime be knows, The hes. member had over ezhlMsed Sleet fa daury M a for unarm is depaslasat km late Prot Land of ressluT downwards, wb retains he admitted to ha most useful, as ecierneybeg wry ansessary inheresatioa; ash yet. sarpeising to say, he seemed elessmismal NUM* a ewes am mains teas t feet that thelmumeighteatlaiaquire lutothe matter submitted, sad ham ad 11•0 sad *aka before they atr. (Bee, kW.) They all, henna had heard that Lath SaMataaisatiese mem& good morale," and he doubted illeb mesa the tlhot of the romamaleation of the httsswtls somber fse Hastrom with the honourable teraiibut be Beals sbanslitre. (Laughter and sheers ) The has. member for Surrey had said there had been nothing dew on the subject of eistmomy nor spoken in that debate, sod therefore it would be melon to appoint a com mittee. Hew he (Lord Jolla Heisesll) should my that, leaden her Maj sty's (prevenient believed that reduction sad economy would be the coneeirmnee, they would not have entertairied the matter at all. They bad been told that gownsman were is puesession of all the neeesary informatics, end therefore needed no committee. That was Mae as regarded all the offices depending as them. On a former ocomien, when he (Lord John Ronal) proposed a reduction in the salary of the Chief Justice of Common Pleas, he was toki it was not sufficient. Every hon. member at the opposite si Is declared It should he a matter for inquiry by woman. tee ; and be was badgered he keew not to what extent because he did not appoint a committee on rig matter tHrnr, hear.) Hut now, when he purposed taking that Diana, he was met as vigormuly as before with an orrel don. (Heu, hear) He (Lard J. Ruwell) had not heard a sufficimt objection to the prop gal he had the honour to submit; but he mild not emit thanking the bon. members for Stamford and Buckinghamshire for their warm vote of cot Sham in the Intentions of himself and his hon. col leagues as regarded reductions and 'mummy. (.. Hear, hear," and laughter) Surely the government should be very secure that could ufforJ to slight such each, of appro. tia:t rn, mining from the quarter thty did. (" Hear, hear," aid laughter.) But, nat•ithAtanding, he thoucht it woutil Do better on all hands to agree to inquiry. (" Hear, hear," and cheers.) The home then divided, when the southern were— For Mr. Disraeli's amendment l5O Agaiust 260 11 4 0141 7 allsbet — 91 Tlis orteittal Reties ror the appeheteest of the tom Lit tc e wee then aarepd tn. Mr. HORSMAN then moved en addition to Lord J. Rusell's motion on salaries, that the Inquiry be e :ended to incomes of (nein:Writs:l dignitaries. He thought he could, in a few wee Is, sheer the necessity of his Ileletiell by conspiring the ine dzvs of the dignitaries with the in. COEN* received in other great estatili•hinents. Let him compare the can of the Lord Cunt Justice wish that of a dignPary of the church. Tin former w.s selected from the most eminent of hie pro. (onion, fur en office ot great toil and reoponsfbilite, and when he ceased to b' efficient he ceased to be • Judge. But in the church the faculties. of • dignitary might desert him and yet his tffice remained, sad he was also the (M -inoan of large patronage. Tee Chief Justice had 8,0001. a year, and bad to provide himself with a residence. The Archbishop of Canterbury had 15,0001, and a palace was provided for him—(bear), and yet they would in the former case Walden an ingeir) bevels* teey thought 8,041. too high, but would pass by the 15,0001. of the arehbist.op with. out a word of comment. (Hear) Let him take the WO of ministers of State, of the Prime Minister. Was his ogee one of lees state or dignity than that of a prelate ? He held his offin at the sacrifice of health and strength, and s .me. times of lite, and set his official In.:nem was only one.therd that of the archoi hop, one-half that of the Bishop et Lowlon, and considerably below that of the Bishop of Durham or Bishop of Winchester. The hen. ens Taber ter Oxfordshire lest year proposed to take cli tea per cent. of the inc or the Prime Minister, but he would not touch that ot tee erieceiriatical dignitaries. The energies disproportion between these incomes justified in quiry. Now let them take the Beard of Admiralty ; it cem ented of • first lord and five junior lords ; tt.ey were charged with the administration of one of our most im p de partment'', and yet their united Dairies did not equal the official income of • dogle primate. Let them take the customs cad excise. They had two b sede ; one with a chairman and eight commissonert—the other with a chair men and six commiadorers, and yet the united salaries ot both beards did not equal the i Celle of two prelates lie would take another bran ch into wt.ich the hon. me r proposed irquiry—that of toreign anibundors aid minis ters. They represent our sovereign in ell courts and roue. tries with wh:gh we hod to deal. There were 33, and e - me meeting with the high at in Paris, who receive . 10,0004 • year, to the Court Charee d'Atfeires, their malaria together die not comae within 50 per cent. of that a nount which w es annualty divi•led emouget toe bench of bishops. He w tuld take soother service—die govern'.-, of eelonies—they were 43 Ia sunbelt, cud from the bight st in C eada, who received 7,0001. • yen, to the lowest, the goverrew of the Falkland Isles, who received 4001, the whole expense did not come near the amount annually divided amongst the hisheps. ' There wee another establishment into which the noble lore proposed to institute it qeiry—the judicial establishment. Uf all public funcioneries there were sore so cherished and revered by the people et England es their jedges—(hear)— and nag might the judges continue to deserve and the people to *uterine thee sentimeut. (Chan ) The salaries of the Chief duet cc of the Court of Queen'. Beech • d of :our faunae jutgee amounted to 29,0001. a )setr; the Ces sna' Pleas and the Exchequer Pad each V • same establish. meat. This there wore the Lord Chancellor, three Vier Chancel:on, cad tee Master of the R ills. All these jades' wars weeks .g jseedenari , ", and yet their combined siderite did not am , not to so much as was paid annually to the bishops. (11.er, h me) There were 13 judges in S:otland, cashing 3 ju 'gee for the two cow:tries ; and the salaries of the whole of an, hard-working men. holding 10 noisier and re:pen:lgo a petition, did not equrl the parlieniewsry incomes uf twenty-seven proles,. (Hear, bar.) Toe flame of the Scotch judges was the Lori President, who's eatery was below the parliementary income of a Wel.), prelate; and the salaries cot all the Scotch judges put together were not equal in amount to the parliamentary incomes of four of our prelates. Yet, the judicial establish ment was one which was supposed to he too costly end in w..ith some reduction would prohably trk t plan. U. came now to the last establishment included in the uteri nof the noble bed. He need that the washer. of that and of the other house of pirliamene, who held e thee during pleasure in the administration of the neble lord were fray-eight in number. The horn knew their labours and t` sir r.eponti. edifies, knew that their time and their strength were devoted to the publics/rein. Yet the unite.l easeful of all the mem ben of the adetinistenior, charged wi:h th• tietratior, of the sad seal offers, did not . opal the e ,mhined peril e. meaner incomes of 21 prelates. In this case eyes; sixpence was paid for value received; and yet wi It the except:on eel the Lord Chancellor, not one of these public servant', e t home or abroad, had a salary excewlitg the incorn- of the Bishop of London, or which was more then two thirds ot that of the Archbishop of Canterbury. lit held in his hand a • return of the vermeil property left by prelates who had ;died since 1828. it amounted in the ag. giggling to a million and • half *teethe,. (H• ar heir.) This was left by 29 bishops. Now, consider. log that prelates were generally men advanced is life (at least they were not young men when venerated to the effiv), and that there'ore the period within which they ac cumulated their ftr,unrs was necessarily very short; and eeZteider:ll/ further that during them episcopacy they wore the dispensers of a considerable amount of patrona.c, he would ask in whet other profession, or in what other country in the world, were there to be found 29 members of • pro feed in who had left personal property averaging 50,0001 (Hear, hear.) If he had gone into the case of the ca l erieler bodies, it would have been found a still stronger one. Tee prelates had duties to perform, and many of them p.r ores 1 their duties most zealously and efficiently; but the deans and canons had ne duties , ; their offices were acknowledged, and, at present, injurious doneures. ( Hear, hey.) Yet they annually divided amongst th.mselves • greater amount of income than the united eateries of the functionaries of any one department of the public service in eluted in the noble lord's motion. (Hear, hear.) Parliament hat in 1840 fix d the income of deans at 1,0004. a year ; but the noble teed had told the house on the nee:outs day that the leishop of Salisbury had stated to him that if she income of the vacant deanery of &Waxen were not reined from 1,0001. to 1,5001. a year, he did not think • proper person could be gut to fill the vacancy. (Lsughte r.) Lord J. RUSSELL said that the opinion expressed had reference to p. nowt without private fortunes. Mr. HORS MAN continued—Among all the hardworking sad overpaid mew of the church of England there was not a single good man to fe gat to take 1,0001. • year for deing nothing. (Laughter) Not one wouel sell himself to a sinecure under 1,5001. a year. (Renewed laughter.) He hoped the auble lord wou ld try the . eperi mem, and toll the committee whether or not he had sue eeeded The proposition which he =downs a reasonable one; era trusted Met the house would not reject fete, all history sae all experience told the:lll6st it wastherejectioa of treasonable proposition, xnioh rendered the success of an unreasonable one amnia end speoey. He therefore moved the of then words to the motion of the noble laud: That the inquiry tea extended to the incomes of ecclesiastical doe "Marisa." periods for serials ditties. His besatertbk blend lad masts est a triumphant NM, and If he dietled he would divide with bin. Mr. Nil WDEGATE Odd thM the boo. isentherhai tikes co this see opport threlt unity to Rohe sae of the Nom mink attacks Cl Mr. P. WOOD % li t* he entirely s'mea'red is the spirit et the eheorwitime it the km. member for Cocker mouth, via. that It wet meet desirable far the Mare& of linglaad that this great and swims qualm should be Imbed a/4W Heltheneht the time woad speedily come whoa would be .'essay te hays • revision et the themes it pa the id to enr illigoilatise el the dough. He desired to • soMetent weber bad cony sot the great with whisk the Nora the spiritual lvetmetios and teaching of the people; bat he thought it well worth y the otheiderstion of say ecommittee bow fur there Mould set be a prevision for Witter epis copal supsriatendesoe. He Leed with the bon. saessber for Coshermeath, the, it did sot tend to the Imam cof the church generally, or the beneficial legume* of her teeth ing, that there should be salaries of 10,00 W. or 16,000/. a year sad that they would the the Marsh plated on ' a for mere @walla foundation, if they had a total milieu of this whole @punt, I. give this postal Wrest to the monies plead at the die• pod of the Mara for serrying est the greatest of whisk meld be earrisd out by any nadoe, vie. th• instruc tion and teaching tot wi ly of sealer otheleste, but the spi ritual lastrretien sad everlasting welfare of a large portion of the souttualty. Mr. HOHBMAN said that he bad made no allusion what ever as to the tenure of this property, whether. Public or private properly. Hs merely spoke of the ineoses which were regulated by act of whiteout, sad asked the govern ment if they would do imam what wee deem is 1836. B. had no more idea of reflecting on the meatier in which Moss functions were performed thin he had of retesting on the manner is which other functionaries performed their duties. Mr. 00IILBURN observed that the hon. gentleman who ROW propomd this measure only walked in the C had ORM which he Lad takes on • former occasion ; he recorded his opinion distinctly in a published do :umen t. The hon. gentleman took every oecation in his power to dls I mams and lower the office of bishop. ("Oh, oh," and " Hem, hear.") The hen. gentleman drew invidious dia -1 tinicions between the episcopacy and the inferior clergy, which hid no application in argument or in justice. The hon. gentleman must have formed either a very low view of the epiacopacy or a very unworthy estimate of the duties watch devvlved upon them, wh. n he spoke of them in the spirit he had done. The hon. gentleman said that the bishops were paid their incomes for doing nothing. ("No, no," and "Divide, divide.") That only proved that the hon. gentleman did not know much of the duties which they had to discharge. (" Divide , divide.") Mr. HORSMAN sold he did t state that the bishops did nothing. 04 the contrary, he said that the bishops had duties it perform. and that the deans had none. Mr. GOULBURN said that the hon. gentleman bad d's tinetly stated that the bishops were paid for doing nothing, and to show that, the hon. gentleman contrasted them with the judges. Mr. HORSHAM repeated his dei ial that he had made any such statement. After a few words from Colonel S IIITHO RP , Mr. MANGLES said that he had hitter or a snore unjust attack, or one exhibiting so much of the odium theologicuni, as that of the right boo. gentleman the member fur the University of Cambndge bad just made on his hon. friend. (Hear, hear.) Bet tee majority of the country and even the clergy par.icipat & in the feeling which had been expressed by his friend. (Hear.) Hs (Mr. Mangles), as • sincere member of the church, agreed wi.k his hoa. friend in the opinion that the income of the ehurch was badly diettibuted, and that the best interests of the eha'ch required that the subject should be speedily look-d into. (" ar, hear," and cries of " Divide.") The house then divided— F"r the amendment 95 Against it The motion for the committee was then agreed to. I'UBLIC HEALTH (SCOTLAND) BILL. Mr F. MAULE moved the second reading of this bill. And after some diecuseion, the bill was read a second time. POLICE AND IMPROVEMENT (SCOTLAND) BILL. This bill was read a second time, after • few words from the LORD Anvocsac PROCESS AND PRACTICE (IRELAND) BILL. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL moved the recommittal of this bill, for the purpose of introducing ems, amend. meat, whii.h he said had been simetinced by the hon and le riled memh.r for the University of (Mr. Nsp:er). The bill was then &I-committed, and the amendments were introduee.l Sir 0. GREY said, it appeared to him, that the bon. gentlessaa wit* not doing justice to the o'jrct h. had in view by endeavouring to mix up the subject whioh he bad intro dosed with the enquiry proposed by the noble lord. He did sot deny the right ot enquiring as to the amount of the episcopal and capitate, see. That right had been asserted and acted upon. Neither did he cont. nd that the amount fixed by parliament ought to he taken ea final, or that the subject wee not a fit one fir fitter, inquiry. Bet he did say that episcopal and capitular inewnts stood upon a total, different footing from the official, the juai isl, and the diplomatic incom , s which were Indy' , el in the mo•lon of the noble lord. (Hear, hier.) The litter incomes were derivvd, u the honotuabb genleasn had cb• 'treed, from toe public tales, and any r e d a cti o n ea tar relieved the country front the pressure of taxation. With refuel cr to other objects of equal importance, and, above all, the wider diffusion of spirituel Instruction, no doubt it was 'Winn to emsider what won the proper ditri hutirn of ecrleeivtical lecomt ; but the subjrct wee totally iiWtiact from that of the motion ot the noble lord ; and it it wore included, thc ri stilt would be to make the ti,m• maw prmpiesl. if the addition were agreed t-', it wash! be impossible for the committee to c Include its labours hi the present aeries. Mt. HENLEY said he, for one, cou'd weer cons's. to :lee' with the treat property of the shore's in the same manner as with the public rev, nue. If there was a eve for enquiry, l.t ittbe proposed on its own grounds, and sot la the (aviilions manner adopted that evening. (Hear, hear.) Mr. AG LI )14 BY denii d that this was the property of the bishops; it wee the property of the country Titled in certain PEES (COL RT 01 , COMMON PLEAS) BILL. The house went into committee en this bill. In answer to Mr. HEMLIT, Mr. BOUVERIE stated that the bill deal: with the feel •A two officers, the et nior muter of the C ditortn rleao, at.d the Met r who attended t the thee and rec,veries. Their Pei were to ba commuted for s salary; and on the neat vacancy, the office* would be either abolished or the &vacant greotle reduced. The bill visaed through committee. ESTATES LEASING (IRELAND) BILL. This bill was read a third time. INDEMNITY BILL. This bill was read a woad unts, sad the onittnittee fit d for MAday. AUSTRALIAN COLONIES. Mr. HAWES hid on the table some returcs conncctcd with these colonies. The hot e 4.-journed at a quarter after ;wales. MEXICAN BONDHOLDERS. Yesterday, a meeting of Nlexican bondholders took place at the London T to receive a stet, mi at of the proceedings of the c.imenittee since their appointment. At the door a printed statement was delivered to the bond holders, stating tbe reasons which had induced Mr. M. Our:- dells to send his rseignation at one of the committee of Mexican bindboldeis. JAMES CAPEL, Esq., having been voted to the c:lair, stated that he would endeavour to do justice to all parties as far as 1... y in h:s power. The nutting had been (*livened by the csnamittee anointed by the bondholders some time ago, and the object of their assembling now was to hear a statement of their proxedinga Mr. W. P. ROBERTSON stated that, in co:sequence of the resignation of Mr. Outdate, the committee was re. deiced to four, which made it necessary ter him and the others to c.II a meeting of the bundho:dere, in order to -bet • new committee, or to add to the old one, as might be deemed arlviesble. It was his opinion that they ought to have such a committee as would represent all classes of the bontlholders, and that was the reason why his late colleagues and hintatlf had agreed t 3 pr.sent to the bond -olden on mph list of nam a, of most of wSom he could speak fevoarably from his rwn pinata knowledge and obstrvaion. The speaker then moved the Wow. ing resolution " That it is essential to the interests of the M aitan bondholders, that a large and in floential committe be appointed to represent them from all classes of bondholders; and that the following gentlemen be elected to form that commi•tee, viz : Baron de Goldsmid, Admiral Entwine, W. Marshall, Esq., N.Y., J. Sakti., Req., M.P., J. L. Prevost, Joshua Walker, Jamie Capel, Charles llPLlarel, and David ltobertaon, &quires, Captain Rise, R.N., James Rhodes, E. A. Moriarty, Charles Her. ri• it, Richard Garde, and Thomas Reeding, &quirts." (Anplause.) The motion was immediately seconded. The CHAIRMAN said that Mr. David Robertson had held 100,0001. in the Mexican Bonds for many) ears, acd be had no deabt of his beteg of great use to the committee. (Hear, bear.) After some obeervatisna fr.,m Mr. Levi, Baron Goldsmid, captain Ross, Mr. 'thud's, Mr. Morgan, Mr. Robinson, end other., The resolution for the appoicvment of the committee named was then parsed unanimou-ly, red amidst octal tokens of apprebation. Mr. RICHMOND made an able speech on the subject before the mating, and concluded by moving that the report of "Mr. W. P. Robe neon, and ale the circus:titaness connected with it, be taken into the inuardiate coati lera ion of the committee, and that their report thereon be submitted to a meeting of the bandh coders at the earliest possible period." Mr. W. P. ROBERTSON seconded the motion. This having been 'greed to, another resolution, to the s ffect that the moment ieformation arrived float Mexico it should be sent without delay to the Stock Exchange, and that all hooks and doruments be open to the inspection of the bondholdeek was also primed unanimously. Mr. LEVI and some other bondholders stone of the UM sity of pay', a the consmitree for their services. The CHAIRMAN objected to receive pay. It would always be his desire to do what he could foe the bondholders, seed , g how many of his personal (floods were interested in the Mexican funds. Mr. LEVI hoped certain pante, would not get informs tie, over whets. which had too often happened before. Mr. MORIARTY then moved, and Baron de GOLD SMID seconded • vote of thanks to the Chairmen ; ealLett wee tarried unanimendy, end be mooring separated. PARLIAMENTARY AND FINANCIAL REFORM.-00 Wedotaday evening last, a mewing of the inhabitanb of Hontingdo• was held at the Public Institution to hear Mr. M'Enteer, so a deputation from the council of t►e National Anmietion. The chair was taken at hall-past seven o'clock by Rdward Mardis, Req., of O waanchestor, who, in as appropris's speech, intronuced Mr. 11.Eate rto the meeting. Mr. M*Ento.r, in a spec* of two hour.' length, gave an ei.horate ezpoed of the abuses existing in every deportment of rver. meat—the corrupting inflame:es of which pre. sweated thrtmgh court, COlebiti, army, navy, au! thureh. Mr E M .rtia, and Mr. J. Cook are a maed as the del gates to be appoiatot from this town of Cromwell's birth-place, at tbe ennference in London on the 23 , 4 bud WESTMINSTER FREEMOLD LAND SOCIIItTT..—. A public meeting was held at the Lecture r mu, Hill•stritet, Peckham, on Thursd.y last, for the purpose of exulainiag the ohjeceof this society ; J. A. Lyon, Eau , in the chair. Mr. D. Haggett, the secretary, explained fully the objects and advantages of the ii,ciety, atter which J. Duncan, kwi , p out the advantages—social, moral, and political—of fin freehold land movement. Mr. Borg• as moved, and Mr . Dalton .etton.l. d the following reloluti is : " Teat freehold lent ancieties are calenlatel to extend OH twis of the repro• sentation of the peopl,,, and to e'evate and morally the industrious oe-s of rti, cornosu pity. That the coned. , cation and regul Wont of the Wes minter Freehold Lind Society, as explained to this otteting, entitle it 0 the sup port of the inhabitants of Peckbaus and its vielnity." Mr. W. Cox spoke in te-ve ur of the resolution, which wan carried unanimously ; red a numb". of ;Maus hiving bean taken up, UN meting separated. Vie Onnoeol4. OUTGOING MAILS. The West India Mae, asiading Bertuuda, Thema* If maw, Sondem, New Chimes, and MOZICO, aad Maladies times far Madeira, fk. Juan-de-Nieeresm, New Olusadu, Mai, and Pon, will Mobley OS April 17. Ths mils for Lisboa, Spala, and Gibreltar will be made ap ea April 17. The nails for British North Americo and the United I Snare will be made up oa the wooing of April 19. TM malls kr Gibraltar, Italia, Grow, the Lhasa Islands, Bane. Cleylea, India, and Chime. via Southampton, will to mob up es W e looming of April 20. The mane Mansillos, to the Mediterraaem, Berypt, Cephnh led* Boner-Beam &AL , will be made up as tie Malta ef April 24. TM mil Per gadgets, the Braid* sad Buenos Ayres, will M made tip OS the 4th of May. MON WATIN A? IMMO)! liRII)43S. ft= Dat—llravlze. Ma. Sia T•••••••••—nessise, h. is.., 11,111 s. LONDON, SATURDAY, APRIL 13. COXBIDLRABLE expectations had been excited of what Mr. Diiintaam was to do in the after-Esster campaign. Those expectations will scarcely have been answered either by his motion, by his sptech, or by their joint result last night. Tee first was ill judged, the second dull, the last a complete /sumo. It was extravagant to ask the House of C41031111D11 to fling itself et once in mediae re*, and set about the docking of divers salaries. To pass each office in re view, to hear what could be said in defence of its existing expense, and the nature of the value given for the money, is unquestionably the busiress of a limited number of gentlemen assembled in a commit ter. It was neither decorous nor possible for the house to manage it. And for ministers to be allowed to propose a hasty or convenient schedule of reduc tion without parliamentary inquiry, was surely the best way to defeat the economic reform that was demanded. As Mr. BRIGHT justly observed, the best machinery for effecting what was desired was a com mittee; all depended upon the formation of that committee. We believe that ministers themselves are ready to admit the advisability of doing away with those very high offices, which demand exorbitant salaries for the sake of show. The Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, our ambsssadors at the three great courts—the object of them, and of their large expenditure, is display, not for display sake, but for the prestige ' and weight, and influence, which the expenditure u sed to give. But such has been the progress of things, that this large expenditure and display have no Losgsr the same effect as of old. The Viceroy of Ireland no longer dazzles the mob, or commands the aristocracy to his revees. Ambassadorisl splendours are equally thrown away. At home and abroad people look more to realities. Then, if the great offices are lees useful of themselves, they are lees necessary for the purposes of political management. The great lord has no longer a dozen boroughs in his pocket, and does cot requite such dear propitiation. But, as long as those magni ficent pests remain, of course they must he filled. Eerie and marquises will ask and will expect them. And eerie and marquises are to longer the servants that a government require. When our diploma•ic poste no longer present prizes to lords, they wilt be filled ti) , men who are cot only better, but more liberal diplomatists. With respect to judges and ministers of state, there is this at least to be said for them, that they work hard for their psy,—as hard, perhaps, as the mind of man can be worked. And it is not only jug', but politic, that they should be reum.orated so as to render high offices possible to be held by men of great talents and small fortune. Wo have not heard ru our time of statesmen who hove smarmed fortunts, nor is the tenure of office ever likely to be such ae to admit of it. Judges and bishops are, however, in a different category from statesmen. They give thews-Ives to amusing fortunes, and they d, crewed. Raised not only in their oa n p.ra ,, te, but in their femtlies, to the highest grade of scc'tty and rank, monied wealth is indispensable to keep their sons teed dau;h•ers in this Reid lel wk . ; a•.d scarce beccmes the buein-ss, the duty, and the cha racter el these othermis: venerated pr ifersio: s. More than one power, however, is in operation for bringing down the profession of the bar. The p ople will have cheap justice, and not merely the people, hut the propertied classes. And we are much mistaken if the two great pr lessions of law and cliv;nity be tot brought down to the popular keel by those strong de inocra.ic tendencies, which begin to mark the prin ciples and conduct of the country party. Some writers bless their stars every morning, and congrctulatc their readers on Englano's being so unlike the Contin nt, in offering an imp •netrable barrier against democracy. What delusion! We know of no country in which th- demo- crat has more cause to rub Lis hands and be delighted. Ile cannot look up withcut perceiving all the cleans a l ;o7e him engiged in the labour of pulling down each other. Tee landlord and the manufacturer have had a long tussle, and each has floored the other more than once. Now, both have set upon the lawyers; and when the law vers have been well beaten, the y will help to pull down the clergy. It will go the round. And none are more fierco at the work than the conservatives and tories. For ow- part, we are I contented to sit quiet and applaud in contemplating this labour of lore. For, after all, it does but work things back to what they ought to be. But it is curious to see these very champions and classes of society, so full of aristccratic and feudal tuitions, the they bemock and contemn all other countries which get rid of them, indulge in the same levelling ten dencies and efforts, and rush to the si It-same goal with the nations of the Continent, although by outer paths, and under deceptive banners. THE Irish Franchise Bill has passed through com mittee and now stands for the third readirg in the House of C rmmons. We agree, for once, with M r . STAFFORD is thinking that not hing could be better than the tone of the discussions which took place upon the manifold details of the bill; and nothing more matter-of-fact and business-like than the manner in which its various provisions were debated by those Irish members, more (specially interested in the general dila and tendency of the measure. We are happy to recognise this growing dispcsition on the part cf men who differ in political opinions so widely as hish liberals and Irish tories necessarily do—to deal with such matters practically and dispassionately. When once the principle of a measure has been affirmed by a decided majority in either house of legislature, the re-opening sf geatr.ll discussion elms each subor. inate particular can lead only to the exasperation of prejudices and the painful waste of public time. And it is highly creditable to the house that, notwithstanding the factious sugg..s tions given out of doors at the commencement of the debates in question, there has been no attempt made of late to thwart or retard the legitimate progress of the bill. It som etimes happens, however, that upon an in. termediatc and usually formal stage —technically de sleeted as " the bringing up of the report,"—occa sion is taken to raise a debate upon the collective me rits of all that has been dove seriatim in committee, and thus virtually to force a generkl discussion, in• voicing a consideration of the main principles of the bill. But &sides its inconvenience, this practice hi ob jectionable, on the ground that it is always more or leas open to the imputation of being a re-heating of the cases disposed of in committee, or an anticipation of that breed and oomprehousivo view width is appro priate to the third reading. The proper business ap pertaining to the stage we ore 'Huth' g to is the supply of casual emiss'ons, or the repair of errors of inadvertency that may have occurred in committee; and wf.atever exceeds tinge limit, m.iy be justiy sus pee ed of covering designs not fully or fairly avowed by their authors. We are not disposed to judge severely what is done by persons like Loid CASTLEREAGH ; but when we learned that he had given native of his intention to move, on " bringing up the rt port" of the Franchise Sill, an amendment raising the rateable qualific taut' to 121., we could not ht Ip fee'i-g and t xpreesing the conviction that if this were done by concert nud deli beration, it must be regardi d is a forerhadowing of what was intended in the llonso of Lords. Bat as we were prompt in recordlog our objeetione and miPgivings when the notice of Lord l'Atcrns. emit was given, we toil bound to ao equally frank in acknowledging our satisfaction at his hAving publicly withdrawn it. Still more do we wish to call attention to the reason which the tuble lord wiped u influenciug his change of purpose. " lda had found," be said, "no support for his proposition on either side of th e house." In other words, the liberals were not disposed to abandon the pricciple for which they have so long contended—namely, that at least as numerous a constituency should exist in Ireland as in England : while the protectionists, conscious of the advantage which the present make believe constituency gives them, cling to the hops that the Rouse of Lords may raise the qualifica tion to 161, and so drive the Commons to throw out the bill. A compromise suits nti;her. Lord CASTLEREAGH has discovered this experimentally, by proposing his amendment ; and be has acted like a sensible end straightforward man by consequently withdrawing it. An equally interesting, though for the present less important intimation, was that given by Lord Josue RUSSELL respecting the proposal made before the recess for grouping together neighbouring towns, and so forming boroughs, with adequate constituencies. The Prime Minister stated certain difficulties which stood in the way of carrying such au arrangement into affect—difficulties *Lich nobody denied, and which from the first everybody had foreseen. lie did not state, however, that these difficulties might not be overcome. On tte contrary, he intimated pretty plainly, that he thought they might, and that without encroaching too much upon the small-town element in the county constituencies, the existteg evil of very small boroughs might safely and Oren:nail, be remedied. Only he prayed that Ma part of the question might be allowed to stand over until next w salon. is pretty clear what that means. It is another virtual pledge given by Lord JuuN RUSSELL, that he will not willingly allow the present parliament to expire without introducing a3me general measure to make good the imperfect and defective Reform Bill. Meanwhile it is of great importance that upon the third reading the present measure should be affirmed by such a mij rity as may serve to mike the Cham ber of Obstructives pause era they vintur,. to meddle with it in any essential point. It is really a bill for the repair of the county franchise alone. That of the towns it subs'intially leaves as it was. In some places the electoral numbers may be increased sqme.shat ; in others, they will cm taiely be rather diminished. But in the ceinties the number of voters wiil be augmented, so as nearly to equal that which is toned to exist in English counties. In this respect it is a valuable, though it must be owned a tardy cocci mien of justice to the people of Ireland; and as such it behoves the House of Commons to clear themselves, by an impreasire declaration of opini ,n, from all suspicion of indifference or half-heartLdnese in the matter. FRANCE. PARIS, FRIDAY, 7 Lot. Great importance is attached to the declaration of M. Thiere at the meeting of the Fatty of order at the club of the Conseil d'E'at, that the majority ehr.uld support, without nictitation and without timers ',emir?, the es - abiishment of the republic. I am enatikal to cited vcu a r authentic report of the mar row of M. Thiers' spe,:eta on this occasion. M. T.:iera teiniu:h d his auditors that he had already declared at the tribune that the republican goverrment was that which created least division amongst the people of France. He thought it politic and rectesary to support it, and to do to so enequtvo cal'y es to leave as doubt as to the intent.r ni of the majority. That w hich he then stated to the meeting he was ready, be pail, to repeat at the tribute. Would all the members aho thought themselves bound to represent a party act as he did? weld they undertake to do this? Would they ebi.ndon their regrets and their e. to concur in the nro_t effica cious manner in the defetce cf society ? The chief flees of to-day is that the debate on the Av'g , ,o3 Railway Bill Ire been adjourned, in order to give the ministers time to breathe. The vote of jes ter+.y by influenced the fonds to day lets than was expected. Bat the emnession to two companies was already foreseen, and the conviction that M. Cumbarel de &years amendment would pass by a coitsidemble uujmdy, cai.sed by ent:cipati al on mt ..rday's Bourse that fall which wax appre hended in the price+ of to. day. Tule, at haat, is the Tea!oa assipeal f r a dip of 30 ceotimes in the Flees. The moat notable feature in the proceedings of yesterday was the cud den itstiact of silif-prta•rvati exhiba dby the go vet, meat when it totted the question going against them. No aooner did the rock of eefeat loam on the alarmed vision of M. Bineau than with au alacrity, more prudent than dignified, he put the helm emu and notified to the Assembly teat the ministry would agree to two separate cornimnies : bat these two companies must be asiielaires, or jointly responsi tle for the execution of the whole line. Tuns :he mit Were abandoned tfeir flr-t line of b-ttle to fall back upon the ee ond, and begged to- day for time to entrench themselves in their new position. Now the government, ever since last August, has insisted upon the necessity of grantirg the line to one company, for pretty mo , h the earns rearm that a butcher p'ear's for not peparating the meat frcm the bone, but selling bc:h tog, then What company, in fact will tyke the lean railway from Lyons to Avignon, without a slice of the fat ore from Paris to Lyon.. The propose' of M. Bineau, the I Nlinipter of Public work., is just the port of sot of which L. b an p-op:a d bet veen Richtl end Leah. Still the comp.tinon apeieLeud,d f.o.n .1e• Rhone navigation seems to be Emewhat exagat rated. Every bode knows that the caprices of the Rhone r i der the norfgation of that riv r mare uncertain than that of almost. any other oft goal importance. The sitting of the National Assembly fo•day opened with the ad.riseion, without debate, of MM. Barba roux and Overland, appointed representatives for the d-partmer tof Vienne. At the reveot of the Ml ni,ter of Public Works, the debate or. the Avignon Railway B'll was la:jot:rued for some days, In order to give time for the preparation for the pr. p ashen of two diatinet estimates for the two vaginae ice. It appears that the government is not pirg to with drew the bill, notwithstanding the ehttlt received yeirerday. The debate on the budg.t is also ad journed at the solicitation of M. Berry-en the repirter of the committee, who found that he sto d in want et some documents which he bad not brought with him. After an uninteresting debate up m the o: der of the day, the Assembly discussed the propriety of taking into consideration the proposition of M. Na daud, tending to abolish Art. 1,731 of the Civil Code, which declares that the =stir is to ba believed upon his affirmation as to the role of a - 1W 8 for tho payment of the salary of the 3ear expired, and for the sums paid on account fur the current year. At the clue of the sitting the Assembly derided that the 1 ropcsition of M. Nadand should b.• taken into consider . ttior. The division : ape, 381 ; ems, 231. The number of votes wee, therefore, 612, and the majority 307. It will, however, I hear, be found to-morrow that this large majority was occasioned by a miscoreeption of the voters, wt,o did rot know that the they were voting fur the taking into consideration of the propo sition. 'l'o day the President of the Republic started at mid-day for Versailles. He was accompanied by the minister of war, General Neomager, end others. The troops of the garrison were drawn up in the Arenue de Paris, under the command of Gair ral C \vrighao. General Grouchy commanded the brigade of cavalry. Louis Napoleon then passed the tr tops is r, view. The committee charged to examine the measure on stamps on onamervial bills and transfers et rants have ter:sleeted the exemination of the ant, iidmen tit proposed since tl . e second reading. It hsa in iiiituined its re.clation in what concerns the tranfers es rente. M. Deem did all he coAd to obtain the ejection of the prowsition. After a sharp &suasion, t .o in, tu bers changed their view., and sided with the in no rity. The third reading will probably come on , cat neck. It is said that the government is resolvea to uovn to opp is t the propreeti measure. The report on the bill to authorise the President of the Ite i niblie 0 dispcse of the produce of the mans lectures of &errs, the Gebelies, and Beauvais, I,,ra been distributed. 'I he committee states that the value of the articles at present at 86ties amounts to 2,392,6841 r.; of those at tl - e Gob, lies, 1,933,602 fr.; at d of the pictures and other articles at Beauvais, 216,497 fr. It doe:tarts that sines the mutter relates to dieposing gratuitously of property of so such value, the Asse mbly ought not to abitrion them alto. ;tether to 'tie free distribution of tie executive power. to vele,' gutsier, it proposes that in couturitt, a of 16 in , ultras, uominated Uy the bureaux, and renewed .very year, shall examine and give its api:,rohation to the decrees of the President, which are to be lined on the proposition of the Minister of Commerce and Agrisaltams • AgiNIA