The Express. — London, England, 1855-02-24 00:00:00

' many. How caa mei a committee impairs into the stab of your army in the Crimea? Its power does not extend bead the Wein of this kingdom, it is to hear witting,* at borne, sad it has es pews" to real those whose conduct l i m y be impugned. I will sot now speak at any length of the proposed maimarso of my noble friend, but it Y. impossible sot to me their miimatag• over any. wog that maid be dose by a committee of this house. Bees if the usamittee should ascertain the truth ; it cannot apply a remedy except by applying to that atom. the which ion now affect to deems. But what I principally object ts is the formidable character of tho committee, which is not a committee of punishment or of remedy, bat a ton tines of gots:saint. It is limply taking out piths hands of the government its most important and most delicate functions, and I say that such a proceeding is inoompatible with the authority which ought always belong to the minis ten of the crown. But tie evils of the case are much ag gravated by the circumstance that the committee is to be Moat, in which you delegate inmost' powers to a small committee of your own members. It is said to be an easy matter, but let me illustrate the difficulties into which you will get. I Mud the hon. mem ber for Aylesbury cite ono cast is which you could proceed at once, namely the dismisul of Captain Christie for neglect. Here the government had the advantage of the house, for when the suorestion was made, Captain Christie had already been dismtued. But that is not all. Captain Christie was at Malts, on his way home, when my right bon. friend hay lag lessee to think he bad been guilty of mismanagement, ordered him back to the Crimes, to tab, his trial by court amnial. (Hear, hear) The** were not matters for the house. 'The hon. member for Aylesbury,who left the Crimea in October or November,says Capt Christie has been guilty of misconduct; bet the bon. member fur Linlithgow, who left in December, bears the testimony of an eye-wi:neos to the main of Captain Christie. Here is a conflict of ee-wit nesses respecting tranuctioas occurring 3,000 mi le, off, which shows how much better such mitten mast be la the kends of pusses is authority than in a committee up stain. But frankly I own that I object to the committee an coasti rational grand* I am no perot, nor remsrkable for the Gamma conservatism of my opinions; but I confess that I em emservativit trough to revolt at taking the army out of the hands of the government and entrusting it to a committee of this boats. There are a* presodante for this course, bat it is said that we should toy aside those eousidsratiuns in a cast of great emergency and ealainity. If you could show me bow you are to reach the Mom I could understand your argument, bat se you manse de so your argument about the 'majesty loossmse weak sad futile. However, supposing all thew say settled, those is yet no answer given to my right the moot serious and solemn anal ilsrademe townseeta with the discipline of the army and our Wanes with the French army. The right bon. baronet the =tsr for Droittrich thinks be con distinguish n the policy of the expedition to the Crimea gni the circumstances under which it took plus. I* enetset that he will find the task /ethic did , ▪ Bat suppose be can. Among the circumstances are Ike Want of information and the lateneu of the smut. Doss he think that these circumstances apply to the English army alone, or did the French go sooner ? Does he know either .at what period the bareriag train left Toulon? (Hear, bear.) Aurae other things a committee would have to inquire iota is why a rood was not sootier made from Balaklava? If the committee does not inquire into that it will do nothing. If it do ioquire, the answer will be want of la. bout. If it be asked why there was want of labour,the answer will be the men were working in the trenches, and then were of great extent, in consequence of the mode in which the lines were divided between the English and the French. I hope it will not be supposed that I hint a doubt of the gal lant spirit of the Fritsch, or of their disposition to give us all the aid in their power. But what the French would claim would be that they should be totally independent in their action, and that no committee of this house should pre sume to interfere with them. I tell you that your inquiry will he a mockery if it do not inquire into the question of the roads; and if you do inquire, the defence of the parties sector' will go right up into the most intimate relations between England and France. (Hear, beer.) 80, then, if this step is to be taken, it will not be taken without warning. The patient* of the British army is great, and its discipline is admirable; but 1 would not sneerer for any army under such inschiaery and such interfi rent* with its generals. It is impossible for me to discuss the question farther. With respect to the gen tlemen who sit opposite, I have great diflieulty is ander staading their conduct, but of this I am almost sure, that if Lord Derby came into office three weeks hence, or even now, we should have his best assistance in getting rid of this committee. I may be accused of 'silty in not thinking of this matter three weeks ago; that may be so, bet that would not justify us in adopting a policy we thought wrong, sad besides I thought but that my noble friend held similar views to myself on this subject. He knows that before I accepted office we had convenation respecting this committee, in which he gave his opinion that the opposition of government ought to be offered to its appointment. (Hear, hear.) This is no secret, for that, and that only, was the meaning of my speech of Friday night last. I have now to thank the house for the attention with which I have been listened to, and I trust I have said enough to justify my friends and myself for the course we have taken. I trust that this house will be content with its own greet and noble functions ; and, rely upon it, we shall Dave enough to do. My hon. friend the member for the Wick burghs said that now we had the prospect of the great question of army reform, why not at once take the question in hand? If the proposition be that promotion should depend upon merit, to that I heartily assent, but I fur that the greatest obstacles to that principle will be found within the bons, itself. (Hoar, hear.) I admit that in the course taken by my right hon. friends and ausolf, we are opposing ourselves to the popular feeling. The time of military disaster is always the time of public excitement, and at other periods that excitement has led to lament able results, and even blood has been shed under the idea of justice. But we live in milder times, and the fault of the constitution is that public stresses are not called to accounts stißeiently stringent, and that their rsepoaai bility is only found through the medium of their honourable feelings. 'rho support of Thyestes, which are daily served up to the people, do not stimulate them to cry out for ungoance, all they wish for is this parliamentary irregu larity which we oppose on other than mere tudiaicial grounds. We say in the first place, that it must disappoint mpectation, and next that it will involve gross jejune,. Immediate) y in the rear of this is the dark form of public disaster, and it is therefore our duty, whether alone or in company, to resist sad protest *genet this measure with that immoveable determination which our conviction of what is due to public justice demands. (Hear, hear.) Lord PALMERSTON—I can assure my right hou.friends (Hear, hear.) Well, this, that °plaice of the trountry roasted urn this lour. *gybes we mat this bones as • goyim**. seammlllelled eller the attest* irk* had tailed to wid elhe ila 4 m teeement, we hit eueb. selves this we might bath wished, either Sheathe eithmilles=tet be appeal* et all, or that its endear* *Nil be paelpieed, we had no right, any of ue, to deader enrealle by the ea paeeuys that it wee pomade to nit the minimittee er se persuade the house to moil thew* to rells i rrhad seem. (Hear, bear.) I did nadetthletift think that *en we shield state to th is house the me theism &gee, impthemeate, eel administrative reform s whisk we were prepared to maise.--• that when we should state to the bolo the ***which we were ourselves making into the eases of thine fair chances, this house might be disppoaasesdd,, Ise a time in least, to forgo the appointment of • and he war to see the result of our *sages and impairie• Bet, sk, I never would have uadertaltaa th e teak, net would se* and right hos. Mods bare jibed me be tmdmtakmf the task, if we lied Weeded to stab the seatieneem of ear ea anions veva the question whether this boom would as tinue to affirm the vote which is bad pealed. (Chem.) We should have thought that that was not worthy of us. (Hear, hear.) We should have been trifling with the country and with the Sovereign of the country If we had determined in oat own minds to shrink from our poets if the house should not be per suaded to rescind a vote which it had passed the or two weeks before. (Hear, bear.) Sir, no doubt there may be inecevotheasse and evils at the isquiey ; but I think it would he a ;poster evil that this sesatry should present to the world the lementable *Waale which would be pretested, if, la esesequesas of Faisal differences, in eenaequeue of the fragnestup divi aiene parties, we were for • month or six weeks, *Hie t• lied say set of paha men who could present themeless le the annley Nil go vernment, and undertake to endue the puling Wake Mika country. (Hear, beer.) And at what period would this spectacle have been presented ? (Hear, hear.) Why, at • period when you are carrying on • greet and arduous war; at a period when we are ere aging in a most important negotiation ' • when, on the one band, energy and vigour in conducting the war are imperatively required ; and when, on the other hand, • great spirit of Lou-Illation and noes ration may be required in conducting negotiations for petite. (Hear, hear.) Sr, I think the coons which we have fol lowed ii the none which it was our duty to pursue. (Cheers.) I think that if we had absedoned our posts on this weasion—if we had set up our opinions against the deli berate judgment of the nation—(hen, hear)—if we had undertaken the task of resisting the unanimous sentiment I may say of the where people of this country—(hear, hear)—by • '-opus" le refuse inquiry, I think we should bath undertaken a vain task, and should not have pedants d the duty which we wars pledged to per form. (feed thiseis.)_ Now Sir , we hays been asked by the hon. eatable by Manche*, (Yr. Bright) whether we knead to abide by those erereideu for peace which were settled by the *shiest whisk nil* before the first vote on this subject, end irk* wen esseaneed in afterwards by the cabinet whisk wee km* aka I bed received a commission to form a getheitineal 111,, must usdsebtedly we do intend to abide by these proC:. (Men fr om th e Ministerial side.) Uequestionab the thetractient seder which my noble his* (Lard J. ) is now peeseeding to Vienna are founded upon thus resolutions to whisk my right hon. friends who sit upon that beeeh (roferrieg to • back bench I on which were seated Sir IaINS Graial, Mr. Gladstone, ' and Mr. S. Herbert) were parties; end, meet undoubtedly, when I am asked whether cos NO p 111.4111011 le *egotists in good faith, I say that we are myna to negotiate in good faith ; and that if we were not prepared te do so, we should be unworthy, not only of holding the fallen which we do, but of being members of this great mumbly. Sir, we are as anxious as any man can be to be upon terms consistent with the future safety of Europe, consistent with ' the attainment of those objects for which the war was began, to put an end to the war by an honourable treaty of peace ; bet if, through an over desire for peace, we were to eon clads what would he more properly described as a hollow and insecure trues—if we wen to consent to terms which would lead to the same kind of danger by which we have been driven into the arduous straggle in which we are now engaged—if we were to agree to terms which would leave that danger in all its former amplitude, instead of deserving the confidence of the cottony we should, I think, deserve its censure—(hear, bear)—we should have betrayed the trust reposed in us, and,. for the sake of achieving a temporary peace, we should have laid the foun dation of great future calamities. (Cheers.) That, then, is the line which her Makesty'sgovenment are prepared to pursue. We have felt it our duty, is a moment of great emergency, when other persons who bad the opportunity of forming • government were usable to do so—when the question pet to us was, whether the country should be left, I may say, In a state of anarchy, or whether we would undertake the task of directing its affairs, we have felt it our duty, I say, to undertake the task of governing the country. We intend to perform that task honestly and conscientiously. (Hear, hear.) If pesos is to be obtained consistently with the future smirk of Europe, it will not be our fault if peace is not obi Oa the other hand, if it shall unfortunately herpes that the abilities of my noble friend, and the sincere *sirs of the government to put an end to the was up= proper enaditioas, shall ulti mately. fail, it will then be our duty to theesente the war with the vigour which may be neatesary tie bring it to • successful termination. Aad fa that mees I am persuaded we shall not appeal to van to the genre= support of par liament. (Hear, hear.) I am einviinied that whatever differences may exist between parties who sit in dif ferent parts of this house, those differences will, for the moment at least, be laid aside ; that we shall all feel that this is a national, and not a party ques tion—(cheers)—we shall feel that we are bore represeating this great empire in the face of Europe, and shall not exhibit a spectacle which would be humiliating and disgraceful to the country—the spectacle, namely, of party differences or personal jealousies or differences upon minor questions, p Ogg the parliament of this country from giving to the govern ment which may exist for the time those means by which alone it can conduct the country through an arduous and difficult struggle to • successful and honourable result (Loud cheers.) Sir,these are the grounds upon which we have undertaken the task which has been imposed upon us. If, on the other hand, this house and the country should think that we do not properly perform those duties which are expected from us, and if any other government can be pre sented to us w hich will be more acceptable to parliament and to the country, then, I say, no feelings of personal ambition, no paltry lon of power, will induce us to cling to the posts which we occupy longer than we tidak we can do so with advantage to the county and with credit to our selves. But until we shall find that ws have loot the confidence of parliament and of the country—(load cheers)—until we shall find that the nation is disappointed with tumid condemns us, instead of being disposed to support us, so long as we have the support of public opinion with us, and the good will of parliament and of the country, this house may depend upon it we shall exert ourselves to the utmost, and shall not gait the places to which the confidence of the Queen has railed as. (Cheers.) who have this evening explained to the horse the grounds upon which they separated themselves from her hlajeery's government that I shall not latter a single word of criticism on the source which they have thought it their anti to panne—convinced, ea I ask that they acted from sincere ronviatisa—that a sense of duty pointed to the path they parmd—ead that by following that path they not only gave West la the best mom to their own eaaviatkes, bat they performed what they considered to b. their duty to the seamy. I feel the greatest repel at having lost the anieteame of ay right hoe. friends, with whoa it ha. Mu ay good fortune to act for two ysan past, and of whoa I au say with whet truth that no different, of °plaint as to the great principles sad policy of the government has ever weaned Utensil no. On the other sand, when it me her Majesty's pleasure to monamad me to endeavour M ham a government, it was impossible that either I or then with when I was about to sat mid shut oar eyes to the fast that then was this oonesittse whisk the ham had determined should sit, and ths ap polatmat of whisk we nun be premed to meet. Looted as s Is.. oseerlea **objectless I had to the wane which the Mee hod dotemind by • large seniority to plum. These Amens, to a man degree, still remain ; bat whoa I had to ernsider what was the real natal. of the scum whisk the limn bad hilowod, it was leeposmiblo set to see that whoa this goodie, was Messily proposed, the peat majority whisk Amid the sonlin of may honourable sad learned friend send on two apstW sad distinct • great ponies of those who airasi the itisoin="t:imi d*ubt•dly did as became they thought**, ought to take plan. (Hsu) Bat there wn mariasedsaably mother portion who, as hoe been stated by ny right _hen hinds, supportad the main booms they cosiherod that It was $ am of so *sadden.. is the goverment whisk then ex ited. Well, Or, the 111661011 woe sinned. We eases. ilex Majesty then sonnissimed Lor r d e tl: 4 r l y to Sin, anther government. The noble Mod was unable to de so, I mated to bin that I thoutAt that, ander the eiressistanose, say jonetion man not enable kin so ism that Mug gave/moat whisk it was stained en all mob the country required. That man felled. Mg nein friend the swam for the City enemas Mamma to fore a gonentant. H. use, was mssesisfuL Why, then, sir, I hit, Mos called glige t m wee ay dad: is endeavour, to the best of ny )—to govirsmat which the nanny enegastry mon. If we had set fennel a Warms% sad pummeled ourselves to the sentry, the emelt nail him Ms, I that that sobis lord who ildt that he Mil emedit'lm ihmelf or with advaa legs laths amloy i gmonat del giumminmet ash` be email Ism% nen hen Ina eel nein te mule the oftale, sada nem* lbspieminlet whist be bad hen self dent dna AWN to the eneeeles eel the esentry. Mace, hear.) Well, de s de an deny net then ere piat °Nunes to thleennaitter ; but the essatry took a difrenat Nen ben that in whin_ any pause Mr. DISRAELI said the noble lord was sweet is sail (Arida; that say existing goverment would, in the present emergency, noel,* a liberal sad candid support fres that home. (Opposition sheen.) Bat it would have bees satis factory to the house, that being the esoalades of the week, if the noble lord could have foetid it coshesient M More them and the matey that a government was is ezisteme. (Load opposition cheers.) The noble lord omitted in his speech to answer the arguments of the late First Lord of the Admiralty sad the late Cheapener of the Embergwar against treating this committee. The motile lord also mob mallies eiaimioa ascot equally singular: he forget to ebb lOW he (Mi. Disraeli) had thought they were ell salted tegother to hear, namely, that he, at lead, had Ma emenulli it imolai an adatinistratioa. If that were the OWN Si be meted it was, there was some meat of busboy In the leader of the Hem of Comm peraittieg thenaloolgenen that evening without having snob gratifying YAtmaYsa moseyed to them. Instead of that, the asii• M NM. " shin Mg as we poem the conlidenes of the bowie milks matry we Mead to do oar duty to bet Musty ad to nab our plasm." What they (the swam) wasted to know was, who are we? (Olsen sad lora The prompt moment, no doubt, was use of gnat peril ; the einergemy was 'noted by all ; all were NO* fe mend to the government, with Isis reforms 1:10, mots Mg than wee exhibited at any time, a Netlll support. But it was not a very severe MININIII Er:- posed by members of the Hems of 01111IMIMI fejt should at least know the Imes of bee a Ministers—owl know Meld knew wen the paidels elm they me isiggettleg la the fulfilment of the amuse dulls - et a - sibs es pave as the lomat. e , Rem" MI ahem) In Mee log te the renisite el the mile lord with regard to the =Meet be shoal poem in sehmen So the sposiameas of this osmium, is bend the mile lord to he sit wet estiebelby, but even lasehemit. Ile led mi= Ina the aside bud arm miser to the ea You speeltes of his late cellsegnee s sod ems Militia of a pansy which seemed to he ordinal with the gee seat administration. mile lard bail igeeed - ot - ter — soinaiiii; Aim —_ by geatlesten es that (the eggsithis) fi et the bra" said by may others es hle evis sib, in Laps. the nest strenuous, sad hi a spirit the area us. etwessekkig. The governasest et whia the sells lord wee sassisher, after tits tote et the Uses, sewed Ss mist. It was sessesuary for hiss (sr. Diemen) is ye late what weal is the interval Wows that vete sal the period gybes the adasishbelles et the ad& lewd was Sward ; sad there was only use remenik be wield stab!. Decew et a Miasmal of the wile THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 24, 1855. bee, but whisk no doubt lived In the seamy off the bow. TN any agile heed had farmed his ad if minishalem eta mineiple at all on the rier aphid opposiag the natio. for • committee , to inquire p into the audition of our army before Sebastopol. In trying to hem his govesniment, no other subject required say con mead= between him and his late colleagues. o As re- M:INIall the members of his government, said the noble "ms Yo subject of foreign policy there was no diatoms el lt,inion between his cabinet and that of Lad ." There could only be one ques ting en which en explanation was to take place beltegin the noble lord and his colleagues when he woe bean his administration. The right lon. hart. (Sir J. Guam) had enplaned why there was net so complete a mainteasebetweea the noble lord and himself, as was usual as sub eesedenn But they had had it from the right hon. gentlemen the members for Wiltshire and Oxford, and the noble lord had not disputed their assertions, that the committee was a subject on which they neighed a steer sad complete understanding, sad, as ha (Mr. Disraeli) collected from the two right hon. gentleseen„ the noble lord was of the same opinion then as he had bees previously, when he opposed the motion in the House ef Commons en principle, and offered to it $ determined resistance. What did the noble lord do oe Friday last? Again he summand that he should resist be appointment of the committee. And what was the ground on which he founded his resistance to it ? Why, on the ground that it was not constitutional. It was not a petty or slight ground that he took, but he urged against it the most powerful of objections. It was mange Wen the first Minister of the Crown in a short week prepared to agree to that which • week ago he declared to be unconstitutional, and for what reason ? Why, because he was determined to remain Minister of the Crown, as no one else could form a government. He (Mr. Disraeli) imagined that many persons might be able to form a ministry as strong es that of the noble lord. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord voted and .spoke against the committee ; he funned a cabinet on the Insis of an opposition to that com mittee, and before • week had passed he rose in his place and staked the existence of his governmeet on the appoint ment of that committee, and that without urging one res eon in its favour. After listening for boon to the arguments against the committee, which he (Mr. Disraeli) thought answerable, and which could and ought to have been grappled with in discussion by the leader of the house, the noble lord merely stated that he had changed all his opinions, and that that which a week ago in said was unconstitutional, he not only accepted, but made the basis of his government. (Hear, hear.) And that was the man whoa firmness and ability was tosses the county. (Loud cheers) The noble lord did not give • reason for the granting of the committee. lie had head out saes last Friday that there was a strong opinion in the country on the 'abject of this committee t, inquire into the condition of the army before Sebastopol, and that a feeling had been produced so irresistible that no ministry was justified in attempting to resist it. What me acute observer of the nation and of public opinion must the sable lord be; how skilfully be must have felt the pulse el die public mind, if it was only since last Friday that he hod head that out. The disconteat of months, which had ellenhigLin the overwhelming majority which had de =ed•le late government, had not induced the lord to thick that • committee like this was a weseesity. Called on to perform the most responsible duty Mlldsk • man could assume,the formation of a government— s time when, if ever, men felt and thought profoundly, the mile lord was still unconscious of the necessity.of this cow mate.; so ignorant of the public mind, that the noble lord formed a government, not in oblivion or neglect of that great meanly, but in absolute defiance of it (Hear, hurl Yet that was the political sagacity of the government. (Hear, hear.) The administrative ability bad vanished in the last two years, but the political sagacity at least was supposed to be a quality of the First Minister of the Crown. Atter the experience of one week, and after the speech ef the noble lord that night, his (Mr. Disraeli s) hope were much less glowing than they were. Be had referred to the change of opinion in the noble lord; he could not say anything about his argu ments, fir he had offered no reasons for that change. He (Mr. Disraeli) had not changed his mind with respect to this committee, though he bad listened to the speeches of the late colleagues of the noble lord, to which he bad ex pected an answer. It was said that the appointment of the committee was not a constitutional proceeding on the part of the House of Commons. He hardly cared to enter into that question, because it bed been amply hemmed; after listening to the speeches of the right hon. gentlemen, he could not have alluded to those speeches but for a remark of the member for the University of Oxford. For he was not there that night to argue the legation of the committee, but to hear the statements of three distinguishes' statesmen, and to listen to the reply of the noble lord to those gentlemen. He thought that the three right hon. gentlemen bad taken the authorised course in the statements they had made to the house. He was sure the Wag would have been justly offended if they had not made teeth • frank exposition; and he thought that it was an error elan noble lord that once when he left the government et Lord Aberdeen and returned, be did so without such an =planation to the house. He (Mr. Disraeli) did not one there to see if they were to have a coin tattoo or not, for that question was settled by as overwhelming majority, and he should like le see the minister who, directly or indirectly, soldered to overturn it. But it was impossible not to notice the statements of the right hon. gentlemen, and especially one of them (Mr. Gladstone). The right hon. gentleman bad taunted the member for Ididhunt with appopling to precedents. The right hoe. gentleman found that his right hon. friend had brought forward pre cedents which it was not easy to grapple with, and saw the impression this had made on the house. and therefore be divided the appeal to precedents, and:said be would not deemed to argue the question on such low grounds. But the question of precedent was Introduced by another right hon. gentlemse(Sir J. Graham), in the com mandment of his weighty and matured speech. The right hen. gentleman said that there were thous one or two preestents, but that they occurred in bad times, and be spoke of them as of no sense queue. But if the precedents had been good ones, they would have had considerable :effect on the house and the country. His right hon. friend (Mr. Walpole) had quoted many precedents which the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Gladstone) admitted to be applicable. Reference had been m ad e to committees of the whole house to inquire into the circumstances connected with a war, and he (Mr. Disraeli) would mention one, which occurred in 1779, when Lord Cornwallis was examined before a committee of the whole house What was the opinion of Mr. Burke on that 001311a1011 ? He (Mr. Disraeli) was quoting what was said by Mr. Burke from the Annual Register, and he stated that the committee produced no effect, from the bustle and confusion in the house during the examination. Not only was that not a precedent for a committee of the whole house, bat it proved the inconvenience of that course. Bat if you admitted the precedent of committees of the whole home, you admitted the principle of an inquiry into cirtamatamme like throe is the Crimea, and precedents there were out UM bat legies. He (Mr. Disraeli) would not plain the questina se pendent, bat there were numerous presidents. Than was ens in the time of Charles 11., another is the reign of William 111., another in the time of Amu, and others ia t he reigns of George 11., Gouge 111., and daring the Regess7, I do net bass this question on precedent (continued the right bon. patianian). I say, had there not been a proso dist, la the mesas instance. it woe the duty of the hones to , nuke a precedent ; because the circumstances of the awe don are grave. • fine army disappears, and the noble lord,' who was shied walaistes o f the crown fa this house—the loader is ids Men at the right hon. gentleman—tells es that to blo t ispasessien of the secrets of the cabinet, the causes sin& disaster were to him inexplicable. New, sir, I say, if them bed been ao precedent, it was the duty dna brass, vela suck circumstances, to have made a pe salmi I sea notwithstanding all the refined and sustained ugumeatatins of the right hon. member for the University be may rely upon it that the people of England, not fa a moment of pules, but in the calmest periods of exist. sees, will always feel that in such an unparalleled disaster net estplioable to the chief statesmen of the day, it was the duty of their representatives, and their het duty, to inquire into the cause. (Hear, hear.) Bat, says the right he.. mamba for the University, leave it to theGovernmant—why did pa not leave it to the Government? I am for intothy, says the right hoe. member for the University, but not he WOW in this way, by a committee of the Hoses of Caw moss. Wei. am, I am perfectly ready to shalt that yen might, under eallinuy circumstances, have found modes a inquiry more satlefectary than that which is proposed; but what does thee ISM to ? I admit Ot that t , ander ordinary dr camases., the piereneset * debt duty end the phase le ample imm malatlmiOleMina the , and le seem easel end me devise a taimady. Bat the fest is, that to the present slab of lairs the country bad so esahleses I. the government (Ohters.) It is that coevlstise I that me irk gelid, se sheers and ended relief, email be shred by the admilabtratiou, whether by the late se he peimei ailmlnineaties (far I am speaking new ebbed ...knave to any peseresleseelderationS)—it Is that eimeisthin that the geversmust meld not male the inquiry that was wasted whisk has made dm psle feel that ft vs their own House of Gmenswe hem - wWch aloes they *Mak endemism& ea iefaillse. gheme.) Bat that the de anti mise he the Uniesseity, _ with cabman lasseantly—and this was shame lie mast Waimea poet ef kb argument— Mhos up the Ist of the eamatittso, be moms very huhu with the eptians d ail the potions" upon it, sad he NM 1111•11:11 epiniw st a peat ell auth.. a • ss ass be ahead, unless the bear met "high emnisyed his hems( the task whisk e espy. to ;" and that was eindderad by bit Mimi se sedeinly a moat inmserarshis argument. But MI h coat NM to kin that every orpreest that he was apiett he sametituden ef side_ sabot essamittee cabinet • but lam certain ;hot if you wish to deal a Wow eplast puikunentary authority, you can deal no more effoodve one than to impress on the country that the ele ments of • parliamentary committee are not adapted to ' effect their purpose. (Hear, hear.) Sir, the noble lord has, instead of answering the arguments of his late *oi liness respecting this committee, which, a week ago, he declared was unconstitutional, end on which to•nigbt he has staked the existence of his government —the noble lord has again favoured us with flattering visions of an im pending peace. lam quite sure that if the country believes that peace with honour can be achieved by the noble lord's ministry, the noble lord may count on the earnest support of this house. (Cheers) All I can say to it is this, that I hope the instruct►ons which the noble lord here has given to the noble lord the member for London, are con ceived in a more imperishable spirit then the communi cations which he had, on behalf of Lord Derby or the right hon. gentlemen—(cheep) —and than the understand ing which he had arrived at with his late colleagues, as to the basis upon which the government was to be formed. (Cheers.) If the noble lord has gone to Vienna to be the promoter of peace, with a foregone conclusion in favour of war, that, I think, is not a satisfactory prospect for the country. I can, therefore, only hope that the instructions which be hes received from the Fint Minister had been couched in • franker spirit, and expressed in mere intelligible language, than the conditions which he made, apparently, to be the basis of his government—(bear, hear) —e government that, after ten days' existence, has expe rienced a disastrous blow, et a period when, as the noble lord assures us (and it was unnecessary that he should wears us of it) it is most important that this country should feel that it was effectively governed; and when the noble lord, after all, after circumstances so discouraging to the country, after a week nearly has elapeed since this unfortu nate and untoward event has been proclaimed—the noble lord dies not find himself in • position, at the con clusion of the parliamentary week, to feel, alter all his exertions and all his combinations, that he can aunts the country that kis sovereign possesses at this moment a complete body of responsible advisers. (Cheers.) Mr. GLADSTONE—I wish to explain a few points that have been touched upon in the statement of the right hon. gentleman oppasite. One of them is with respect to pre cedent. What I stated was, that all the precedents which had been quoted by the right hon. gentleman the member for Midhurst failed entirely in the essential point —that in every case they related to operations which had closed, whereas the es once of this use is that the operations are still in progress. The other is a matter of much more importance. lam afraid I may have been unfortunate in my mode of expressing myself, or I certainly was misapprehended by the right hon. gentle man ; he is of course at liberty to put his own construction upon any statement I may employ, but I am sure I stated that my noble friend told me that Wewould form his government on the basis of resisting this committee ; or that I asked for any stipulation from him on that subject. I , indeed, made it a subject of stipulation at all. (Hear, hear.) I until I had written to my noble friend, and acquainted him that, after the communication* we had had respecting foreign policy, I was ready, if it were his desire, to accept office in his government. After that, I had the pleasure of using my noble friend, before any final agree meat was meee, or rather at the interview, at which I may say the final agreement was made, and I then inquired of my noble friend abut this matter; I never had the least doubt &boat it, and therefore I had no idea of asking for a stipulation ; but he then acquainted me that his opinion continued to be what it had been, and that his intention was the same, as to that committee. (Hear.) Sir G. GREY denied that thecommittes bad been formed on the basis of resistance to the committee of inquiry. Their great principle was the vigorous prosecution of the war, and to this sad all other consideration were subordi nated. After remarks from Mr. MVNTZ, The nomination of the committee was proceeded with, end the names of Mr. Roebuck, Mr. Drummond, Sir John Pakington, Colonel Lindsay, Mr. Layard, Mr. Ellice Lord Seymour, Sir George C. Lewis, General P e el, Mr. Brans ston, and Mr. John Bell were agreed to—the quorum to be seven. In the discussion which 'prang up, Lord PALMERSTON mentioned that he bad no inten tion to propose any limitation as to the points of inquiry. lie had every confidence in the committee, and was confi dent they would not travel into the delicate subjects which had been adverted to in the course of the evening. The other business was disposed of, sad, at a quarter-put two o'clock, the house adjourned till Monday. 1 ,. : . , .: • • . 1 ' 1 If ' ' I . i I 1 111 1 i 'I 1 1 , 1 t.l 1 i II i ll I 1 11 ' ( ' t 1 1 1 ' • 1 t 1 1 1 i 1 t II 11 ' i • t t • 1 : ! 1 ' 1 VD, Court. The Queen will hold a Privy Council on Monday next, at Buckingham Palace. A party of 35 Invalids of the Scots Fusilier Guards, con sisting of men who had fought and been wounded either at Alma or Inkennann ' were inspected by the queen at three o'clock yesterday afternoon, in the Grand Hall of Bucking ham Palace. Her Majesty was accompanied by Prince Albert, and was attended while inspecting the wounded soldiers by Col. Monerieff, lieutenant-soloael of the regiment, Colonel Rid ' ley, and Dr. Richardson, surgeon-major of the Scots Fitfu -1 tier Guards. The Prince of Wales, Prince Alfred, and Prince Arthur followed the Queen durieg the inspection. A few of the Grenadier Guards recently arrived, disabled, from the Crimea, were inspected at the same time by her Majesty. Thu Prineeas Royal, with the other Princesue of the Royal Family, together with the ladies and gentlemen of the court, were meant in the Grand Hall. The Queen and Prince Albert, attended by the Countess of Desert, drove out in a sledge yesterday morning. The Hos. Captain de Roe attended on horseback. Tee Hon. Mimes Paget and Seymour, and Lord Alfred Paget, followed in a second sledge. Prism Albert, attended by Isis equerry in waiting, visited the Duchess of Cambridge yesterday afternoon, at her resi dence in St. James's Palace. The Royal dinner party in the evening included the Earl and Countess Granville, the Earl of Aberdeen, Earl Caw dor, Lord Ashburton, and Major-General and Mrs. Boothia. A Cabinet Council was held yesterday afternoon at the Foreign-office, Downing-street, which was attended by all the ministers. The council eat three-quarten of an hour. A deputation from the select vestry of the parish of Liver pod had an interview yesterday with the President of the General Board of Health, at his lAN, Whitehall, on the subject of the Nuisances Removal Lela Ameadment Bill, now before Parliament. The depatadea (whisk was meow aad introduced by the Hes. Wary The ma Liddell, P.,) otataieted of Mr. Cane, elmainrardes ; Mr. Brad ley, chairmaa of the medieal relief mausittee; and Kr. Charles Hart, vestry clerk of the parish. Kr. Townsend also had an laterview with Sir B. Hall on the subject of the Public Health Act Amendment Bill. Vieptita tan from Haddonfield had an interview pater day with Sir Benjamin Hall, at the office of the General Board of Health, on the subject of the Public Health Act Amendment Bill. The deputation was introduced by Lord Goderich, M.P., and conaisted of Mum. C. H. Jones, Thomas Mallineon, and T. W. Clough. Despatches were received at the Colonial-slice yesterday from the Governor of Sierra Leone. The Judicial Committee of the Privy Council sat yester day in the Council Chamber. The lords present were the Lord President, the Dean of the Archie Court, the Chan cellor of the Duchy of Cornwall, Bit J. Pension, and Sir Edward Ryan. The appeal hom the Admiralty Court "Schacht e. Otter" (the Oakes), part heard, was concluded. On the Bth inst. Baron Bnick was received by his Majesty the Suttee, to take leave. RUMOURED RETURN OF LORD JOHN RUSSELL. There is a report to-day that Lord John Russell, who had not left Paris yesterday evening, has been "sent for" to assist in the formation of the Ministry. INDIAN OFFICERS FOR THE OTTOMAN CONTINGENT. We have been requested to publish the following : " MamosANDum.-oMcers of the Hon. Eut India Company's army who are desirous of service with the Ottoman Contingent will be pleased to present them selves at the India House, between the hours of 11 a.m. and.l p.m.; on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednes y next, when an officer duly empowered to con sider their claims will give them a meeting. (Signed) "O. C. MUNDY. " War Department, Saturday, Feb. 24, 1866." MR. CHARLES Don.—Thin gentleman, so famous for hie parliamentary animals, died at hie residence at Brizton, ow Thanday. For the lent 23 yeas of his life he had been asserted with the Ti..... ' TEE BAIL or Lur.att.—The late commander of eavah7 in the Zest im daily expected ix London. _ Mit NUMBERS OF 0 . 178 . ARMY IN THE EAST.- tO ns rall;tlS e t r l i tooss! ".1 lar as be idir w as= 11. 6 . 11 sia skid I oafm : s i m mers 'ma M arUM dair lieg h ".Dy Yi & ad= Mo. 11 Mee sa"e;;;;$ ei oeasaMn tir thr co eveq d s s eert: s tie; The Mor o t f eis t r Post publishes & f reers, riga to nis( to be instant. I have, Bgc-.9 RAGLAN. to their places as if f nothing had ha d t . ir s enell,.ls . neting ire le Ile pearameat as Ora' TM Mall, mansted, bosom be soda Mt hem m admimistratios, every Mgr decal. oeq WIMMIN Why, tali ' no. pal on pes ' the lit ° of Janu actual number According o :ni b : fi gures reSi t h us His Grace the Duke of Newcastle, &a, &e., Bco. te. the forbearance. a. country the ... an their r d friwehneden they t ,1 46 • u., • .e. L id/ alla a late WNW Obt ( 11 " , bat .sews wad a" axa l a aglainkilladla il anima stay ennal o f t ri s 111/Y e e lwa iw um bena "le ut t a si a r m asaald 'h ym i r i ! _IT_ • adaus - " -try `' . olo for gas that day 24,621 in the present juncture to ID NM I t ft . ,n ).„ •08 olintry berZy s te s siMaties axed ums th; mold cot Malt th at tbs. ailie The following returns, signed by the Adjetant-0414444 Within a fortnight they squabblino sgssalsas lona van pa *ties o r n ann ...b n yi ng pi m a , in wadi *. m u. kedge, ) able to _ the sidoest maim_ MI Mink,. 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IlenibmMia with the Penissakr aune. vacant offices , y ' disistbisg ben NW ad b " 41"111..1•1 7 1, 1 4 " alli" PESP• el L id Fdift 11° ges isdi simielMilas sa Oa t h waaaPa v Ind " ale tall th " idol , Pekin, Oedbi, ! e 17; rthule itivay= mhz.e...ii-h—efft.r.e.t. e apuy. taken up and laid aside as may suit the humour of the slily mew, and W 4 apes Meta( as Wittily as le for a dee a 'thalami, mg he ether beams the table ked st the bead el the sagWratitisakta YAW. 19; Vigo, February 20. &Holm me resew tats Kamm sess, ma Regiment er yew. , burnsoratic 8 1 116dees and we en to Cnnakler tki mew se the eakshemees a. take p 10616" 'Lakin 1M (Mr. Hassil) AM MI Meow the mores of use week, dupe die whole rig et an piasagms wor.esseid Quo., LA, 'cinnamon . ..no^ es* glow of yol e whirl n q , • , • Ott exprelso. TO CORRESPONDENTS. Avertiaements intended for "The Express," London Evening paper, mat be at the Offtee, 10, Eourerie4treet, by Two shock on the day of publkatioo. HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE. Tan DAY —Morals& nu Um Afternoon, 7h. Mt. Thenotaow—Kornlng, eh. lOnt Afternoon, bh. LONDON, SATURDAY, FRBRUARY 24. LATEST NEWS FROM ABROAD DEFEAT OF THE RUSSIANS AT EUPATORIA, BY OMER PACHA. OM RUB (FROM TUE AND ZNIONIAN TILIGHAPII.) PONDENT OP TIM DAILY NEWS AT EEPATORIA.) BUCHAREST, FRIDAY. A messenger who left Eupatoria on the 17th Feb., and performed the journey from Varna to Bucharest in twenty-six hours, brings the following despatch from your correspondent: "ECTATORIA, FEB. 17. " The Russians attacked Eupatoria this morning. "They were commanded by Liprandi; and their numbers were 20,000 infantry and 6,000 cavalry. They commenced the attack an hour before day break, and had with them seventy guns. "The conflict lasted three hour& The assault was signally repulsed. Th., steamers threw shells among the assailants. The Russians have 600 men hors de [combat, the Turks 150. " Omer Pacha commanded in person. " Selim Pacha, the Egyptian, was killed. • is Vast masses of cavalry and artillery are now as sembled round Eupatoria." [ET CONTINENTAL TILEORAPII.] BERLIN, SATIIIIDA.Y. The official Prussian Correspondence of last night contains the following intelligence from Riga, viz.: " Troops are expected in the beginning of March from the interior of Russia, which are to increase the garrison of Riga to 40,000 men. Revel in likewise to have a strong garrison, and a military cordon is to be drawn all along the coast from Riga to the Prussian frontier at Tolangen (20 miles from Memel), in order to prevent a descent of the Allies." SEIZURE OF NEWSPAPERS IN PARIS. —•-- (BY ELECTRIC TILIORAPE.) (PROM TER CORRISPONDINT OP VIII DAILY WIWI.) PARIS, FRIDAY. All the journals are forbidden to publish the , speech of Berryer at the Academy. The Presse had previously struck off 5,000 copies of the first half. The speech contains an allusion to the degradation of the Roman people under the Lower Empire, and this is supposed to be the key to the unexpected blow. The Suede is seized for an article by Eugene Sue, describing an orgie at the Maison Dorea as a type of the luxury officially called prosperity, calling it Belshazzar's Feast, and demanding when shall we read " Mene, Tekel, Upharsin ? " [CF.S AT VIENNA. The Independence Belgs says it is no longer a matter of doubt that M. Titoff will assist Prince Gortchakoff at the conferences. The negotiations were to commence immediately after the arrival of Lord J. RusselL The Russian ambassador is repre sented as having expressed his anxiou wish that there should be no DESPATCH PROM LORD RAGLAN. (MOM LAST NIGHT'S GAZETTE.) War Department, Feb. 23, 185.5. Lord Panmure has this day received a despatch sod its enclosures, of which the following are copies, addressed to his grace the Duke of Newcastle, by Field-Marshal the Lord Raglan, G.C.B. Before Sebastopol, Feb. 10, 1855. My Lord Duke,—l have nothing material or im portant to report to your grace since I addressed you on the Bth. There was rain yesterday and the day before, and in the course of lut night there was a considerable fall of snow, which remains en the ground; but it does not freeze, and the country is again saturated with wet. It is reported from the front that great activity pre vails in the town and harbour of Sebastopol. Large convoys of apparently sick men were ob served to be moving out of the place, and numerous carts, with one horse, to be coming in. The enemy appear to be breaking up hulks in the Arsenal Creek, and to be using the material for platforms and chew= defies at the battery "du Mat." We are proceeding with the armament of the works on the right. The health of the troops continues to improve in some slight degree. They are amply supplied with warm clothing, and with provisions. Forage is our only want, and this arises chiefly from the Commissary.deneral not receiving from England the supplies of hay upon which he has reamed. I enclose the return of casualties to the Bth instant. I have, &c., THE LAST OFFICIAL INTRIGUE. THE snake of Coalition is harder to kill than some simple folk may be apt to imagine. You may cut more than one joint off its tail, yet all that is left will prove itself as vivacious as ever. The operation may be repeated, but life will nevertheless remain. No amount of pain or lose appeal% to be fatal, so long as a head is left, round which the pliant folds of a many-coloured tail may coil. After the memorable vote of the 29th of January, Lord ABERDEEN and the Duke of NEWCASTLE were quietly lopped off from the Administration. It is hardly worth while to notice, that along with them dropped Mr. FITZROY and Mr. LOWE. After the meeting of the Cabinet on Tuesday last three more of the most conspicuous portions of the same con stituent section—Mr. GLADSTONE, Sir JAMES GRAHAM, and Mr. HERBERT—were severed from the still palpitating trunk in like manner. A few honourable obscurities were said to be about to share their fate, but nothing precise was known as to their number; and few people felt curiosity enough to inquire. Several of those with whom they had most sympathised were at first supposed to betray no ambition to share in the penalties of excision. Mr. CARDWELL and Lord CANNING still lingered, and the whole of the household troop of Aberdeenites mustered next morning as they were. What was the Prime Minister to do ? He bad started a fortnight before with a motley band of colleagues, and already a third of them were gone. Their places must be supplied, and that without loss of time; for the country waxed impatient, and with the legislative session uncommenced, and the preparations for the next campaign still to be made, days wore on, which all classes felt to be precious, delays indeed appearing little short of the highest treason. What was Lord PAL.' MERSTON to do? There is not a man of common sense in the country, whose intellect has not been bewil dered by the jargon of clubs and coteries, who would not have given the safe and obvious advice to the noble lord which, to the credit of the press be it spoken, was offered simultaneously in the columns of every liberal journal in the kingdom, and even by some that do not affect that appellation. "Bo just, and fear not," was heard on every side, stimulating and encouraging Lord PALMERSTON to break the paralysing spell of hereditary imbecility—to go below the gangway for colleagues—and and un e orr u p t t o e fling i himselfn pLple f 0 r s u u p o p p n the c e t a Bightedris n ew impossible to believe that age and the long habit of listening only to the worthless whisperings of diplo matic and dandy politicians should have prevented him from hearing these disinterested admonitions; and many as have been the noble Viscount's error', we can hardly suppose that he was altogether un moved by them. But while he hesitated what to do, the tempter came'to hisi. The old author of Coalition, by whom he had been lured against his own better judgment is IBS2 into accepting the Home Secretaryship, once more tendered his insidious aid. Lord ABER DEEN affected to blame the secession of Tuesday last, and with hardihood almost incredible undertook to scheme out a new joint-stock Administration. He had counselled Mr. GLanwroNE and his friends to hold on, after he himself had been driven out by the majority on Mr. ROEBUCK'S motion—first, because the veteran politician knows the power and influence that the possession of several great departments of the Executive confers; but likewise because be believed that it would materially faci litate his return and that of the Duke of NEW CASTLE to office after Easter or Whitsuntide, when the present discontent might, he hoped, have sub sided. If " the three deserters"—(Sir JAMES GRA. HAM seems to feel that the reproachful epithet will stick to him, and vainly tries to retort" it)—if the three deserters of their posts of Tuesday last could not be re-enlisted, Lord ABERDEEN was at all events sanguine that the President of the Board of Trade and the Postmaster General, and the jobbing Lord ST. GERMANS, might be made the nucleus of another coalition, which, when strengthened by the junction of Lords ELGIN and DALITOUSIE, would yet be able to keep thing. pretty much as they are. Lord PAL. MERSTON agreed; Mr. CARDWELL WAS offered the Chancellorship of the Exchequer; the offer was . declined by the timid member for Oxford. Will our readers believe that the indefatigable intriguer actually proposed to repeat the offer, and under took the familiar function of persuasion ? Up to last night his veteran arts had not, indeed, succeeded ; and Mr. CARDWELL took his seat yesterday on one of the back benches behind the Ministry—if Ministry there can be said to be. We also learn, with more of amusement than surprise, that Lord CANNING, finding himself at length absolutely alone among the Whig relics of the Cabinet, has tardily followed his example, and resigned. So slow and sad is the death of a Coalition. Let no man tell us rashly to believe, however, that we have done with the imposture. Twice already we have seen it resuscitated, when it was generally sup posed to be extinct. Far from deriving any assur ance on the point from the disclosures and recrimina tions of last night in the House of Commons, we are more than ever struck by the inveterate care with which Sir JAMES Glaktuat laboured to prove that between himself and Lord PALMERSTON there was no difference whatever in principles or policy : be had demanded explanations regarding the terms of peace, especially, before re-accepting office the other day, and had received the most satisfactory assurances and pledges from Lord PALMERSTON respecting the extreme moderation of his demands. Very acceptable intelligence this for the CZAR; and very patriotically volunteered by way of helping Lord JOILI RUSSELL'S mission. According to the ex-First Lord of the Admiralty, no difference what ever exists between the foreign policy pursued under the late PREMIER and that which the present hu pledged himself to pursue. The sole ground of tem porary alienation between the members of the hitherto united Cabinet is the question of the Committee. That once settled, we are given to nn• derstand that there is no reason why the pack should not be once more shuffled and another trick or two be played by the same adepts. It is equally worthy of notice that there was nothing said by Lord PALMERSTON that would in any degree serve to remove such impression. In the meanwhile what is the duty of the people Will they suffer this egregious mockery of constitu tional rule to be impudently enacted week after week before their eyes? They have, by their represents• fives, judged and condemned, for incompetence, an Administration self proclaimed to be what our French neighbours would call La creme de la creme of the old official monopolists. They mutter among themselves for a week, and then strut back THE NEW RETURN OF NEWSPAPER STAMPS. The return of newspaper stamps just issued gives the following results Pint Quarter. Seoond Quarter. Daily News . 319,191 346,044 Morning Herald . 303,000 299,000 Morning Post . . 206,000 226,000 Morning Chronicle . 162,600 186,000 Express . . 177,133 196,369 Globe . • 176,000 196,000 Sun . • . 168,000 192,000 Standard . • . 103,000 104,000