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I { IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS—MONDAY, JULY 8. fl. Moss mat at awe Voiack ; Laud LA sat Spasker. PRIVATE BUSINESS. Sitcoms HlS.Dilthe.—Liverpool Cattle Market ; Lanes skin and Yoekshire Railway ; TIIILD RhantheM.—Lent Waterworks; Soethamptun Waterworks; Ediaburok Slaughter-hours Removal; Car diff Waterworks ;• Mai reeked Fishermen sad Mari ners ' Beneveleat ; aid Hering fir he Templet Road ; Bina. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. FACTOIV Lanus.—By tin Bishop of LONDON, true novena plugs in Lawmaking ; Lord FE VERSH Alf ( twesty), teem Laaaaakin sad the West Wang of Yerkehire, and Donde. • the Dike of RICHMOND, from Bentley, and th• females le the employ of Messrs. Fielder' at Todmordes ; in favour of an efficient Teo Hoer. Bill. POWs orrice.—Bl Lard HATHERTON, from Torquay ; Earl GREY, from Nenowitle ; is Wow of reecinding the sewn wage mode by the Post-oNce authorities for the woe delivery of bitters oa gradate LAW OF DIVORCE. Lord BROUGHAM preowned • petition from Mrs. Ouggiase Hall, of Bayswater, whose maiden came was Foley. It appeared that she had contruted • olemdestiu marriege with a person of the nese of 'la.'. 1848. They separated at the chur.th door, sod had gem/ seam seek other slue. The marriage had never bees ow summated ; the cue of this lady was that of • maiden Mlle She had encleaveared for tree months after the ammigge as obtain the consent of her fries* @appeals', is her Ignermem of the law, that if a cossanimation bad not take* place the marriage was sot legal. Meaawkile the knehgnel, who was a good. for-nothing nun, who. bind with • young lady, • milliner in Baminnieek He took her to Bestow, and alter they bed cohabited together for some menthe, they wore married 64 the British embassy io Paris. This cue resembled the ease of rs Battersby, is which the husband was convicted el bigamy. Iti the present Cu. the petitioner bad obteinoi s dives• a nuns rt Moro, end she now prayed for a diverse • risortslo matrisonii. The whole matter was Gllll of im portance ; and he should consider what steps he would re commeed their lordebipe to adopt. Meaawhile he would lay the petition on the table. GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTH BILL. The Earl of LONSDALS presented a petition from Dom is favour of this bill. The Doke of WELLINGTON said he had received a totter from the Mayor of Dover, stating that the inhabitants were generally la favour of Ike hitl. SUNDAY LABOUR IN THE roar OFFICE. Oa the presentation of the petitions as this subject, Lied BATH BETON mid he did sot believe the male. tics was aereptable to the majority of the people, and he thought seek • change ought not to have been made bat by • separate Inialstive eneetment. Lord BROUGHAM aosearred. The Bishop of LONDON baked upon the recent order as a great triumph of religious principle. Secular inconveniences might be the result; upon tbie point he aid not caress any opiates; bat as • Christian he exulted in the change which had beta made. Lord ILINNAIRD hoe, that the manufacturers and pro !unseal sun in luge tows, wen desirous of baying the Sanday to themselves, and thorsteee they did not wish either to receives" sand letters es that day. Lord LYTTELTON cosfirmed the statement made by his noble friend. The Earl of MALNESBURT hoped the goverment would not proc ed tee Invite in dealing with this subject. The Bishop of OXFORD said nothing could be more in mealiest than them diemusions which arose by chew. Parliament was bond to protect those who wished to speed the Babbitt' aright. Lord csmrom.t. condemned the stoppage of Bemisey deliveries, believing as he did that it would be !tabooed,* of the highest lateness et religion. The Dabs of GRAFTON wished to mews his thanks to the How of COMMA., for haring adopted such as address. Lord 'moralism said en the northern circuit, after three o'clock ea Sundays, the bey bad eionsultatione, and , afterwards emitted the hospitality of the arehhishoe. (Hear) GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTH DILL. The Earl el CARLISLE moved the committee en this bill. The Earl of LONSDALE then morel that the General Beard of Health Bill be re:erred to • select committee to in. gain awl reran whether the preliminary forms directed by the Public Health Aet, 11 th and 12 b Victoria, chap. 63, to be observed is cesfirming "provisional orders" by pulls moat, have in the eau of this bill been duly observed. The Earl of CARLISLE was under the necessity of opposing the anieudment, se it would lead to unnecessary de&y, wtieh would, pother, defeat the rorpsei of the set. Atter • few words from Lord EIDILiDALB and the Mar quis of Satisorao. Their lordships divided. Foe going into committee Against it The bill then poised through committee. The Court of Chancery (Ireland) Bill was read a second time. FACTORIES BILL. On the motion of Earl Gnascttas, this bill was read • second time, on the understandieg that the diecuniosi would he takes in committee on Monday next. MA O STERS JURISDICTION IN EQUITY—REMO VAL F OBST RUCTIONS IN CORN TRADE (SCOT LAND) BILLS. These bil s were reed a third time, and passed. COUNTY COURTS EXTENSION BILL. Lord BEAUMONT, in moving the second reading at this bil, said the bill estahlishiog the county courts the 9th and 10th Victoria —at present in cperation since April, 184 i, had been *emi nently sucesenful in two ways, not only by the number of debts that had been recovered ruder its provisions, but else in c , nsrquence of the existence and threatened inter vention of the courts, which was of great importance. (Hear, hear.) Nthough limited in jurisdiction to yet the retina from Mara, 1847, to December of the sew year. showed that the number of summonses ensred were 429,216, of which there were tried 267.445; is 1648, the number of summonses entered was 427,611, whilst the num. j ber tried was 239,118; and he might say be believed that in 1847 and 1845 no less • sum than 2,700,0001. had been re covered through the agency of these courts, which was cer tainly a very large amount, cemaideriog their source tote one desalt debts. (He.r, best.) Their lirdsbipe might judge of the gnat benefit atladed creditors when he informed them that the number of summonses issued wee in the proportion of four to one of she superior courts ; so great and beoeficial wee the operation of the act. (Hurl However, in conse quence of the jurisdiction being limited to 201., many debts of 401. and 501. had to be reduced to 201. by the erediton in order to brims them under the jurisdiction of the sort ; therefore, is order to put an end to such fraudulent prac tices, he th,ueht it would be wise to sanction the extwisicia of jurisdiction. There was one other reason amongst many why creditors and parties in general preferred going into the county extension courts to the superior courts—namely, that the partite themselves were allowed to give evidence, which minim, he found from various sources of authority, to have a moat beneficial effect. (Hear, hear.) Lad BROUGHAM said the bill was one of great import ance, and likely to work greet alterations is the judicial system of the country. It was certainly an experiment ; and as such he should declare that he would not then oppose the second readier of the measure, as ht WAS undoubtedly open to conviction on the matter. Lord CAMPBELL apprehendid assay evils from extend ing the jurisdiction of the County Courts over actions in volving questions of tort, and wished that more time bad been allowed for its coneideration, as well as to ascertain the results of working the present courts. As the general feel ing of the country was, however, in favour of extension, he contended himself with this warning of possible mischief. After a few weeds from Lord BEAL:MONT, the bill was read • emend time. BENEFICES IN PLURALITY BILL. Th e i r l or d s hip, hsviag rag into committee on this biU, Lord LYTTELTON moved the iourtion of the words "take and," before the word " hold," in the second line of the first clause, which being agreed to, some further verbal amendments were moved by the Archbishop of Canterbury and agreed to, and the bill pared through committee, clause six being on.itted. UP TON CUM CHALVEY_ MARRIAGES VALIDITY BILL. Os the audios of the Bishop of OIIORD, this bill was read a t►ird time and payed. REGISTRATION OF DEEDS (IRELAND) BILL. Os the motile of Lord LANUDALZ, this ball was read a eselnd time. Bernal hias were brought up from the Coousoas sad ferwerded a map. TINS+ lordship then adjourned at 8 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.-MONDAY, JOLT 8. ••"'”J.-. •,------- -- The Sputaa took the Glair at 12 o'clock. POST-OFFICE. Mr. FORSTER rive Loam that tomorrow (this day) ho should premed • restiMas frma the underwriters of Lloyd'e, who leaf sernmely awerieved by the recent reguinions. THE MEECANTILE MARINE BILL. Oa the question of the house going into committee on this till bet?! elnytiotli Mr. MOFFATT, in moving as as ameiadmist that the Mil committed that day six months, complaind that it bed ant receierd nation' discus/non, and that the interest which it was intended to serve would be prejadieed instead of being berthed by it. Tne shipping interests of this mom fep had not been fairly dealt with by the government. The right hoe. gentleman at the b. ad of the Boon of Trade WY earryism this measure against the wines of the great body onneeted with the mernatile intereem, f or h e was eteen . Q uay opposed by the ports Cl Bristol, Belfast, 11.11, Lublin, Dundee, North Shields, Yarmouth, Ursenock, Plyasoath, Barbovoigh, Cameral linters, and Exeter. When such an imputing portion of the mercantile interest was against the riebt hem. gratleicaa, he 111111 surprised that he persisted in praising this meassirei be was doing so without the encomium of the majority o that interest, and it wig ell them grounds that be (Mr. Moffat) moved this rand mint. Sir W. CLAY said that isammun as be repro nut hornet which instituted one of the WPM ?orb the Windom, he could not be 'morale' gi ve • ailed vote on this retsina. lie dialysed with the on. anaemia who was of opinion that the inejority of the 'mercantile interests IMO against this bill, though he had rases to haw that a large portion of them had that feeling. at whether that was se w aot be would give hie *Menu support is It, as he be lieved that it would be highly beneficial to that interest. It Amy be tins that their hardship required to be inserted in THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY points‘ a esonneessies, but the a.- iad ois e nly progoped .the usesabig. corms 14 tend to allay ths oblongs of eh. CLILSIASEICAL OOMMISSION Oa the house gobs tote commies'= this blit, a i ss Mr. BOWMAN papered the hawing antes vs on the Sein elms "To leave eat Ile worde ' Beg land; aad substitute the words, 'tad the three aria* estate oommissioners se appoiated shall, teeethee and ealasinly, ormatituts the body enmerate of the sakelestioal commie semen for Beehmd, raM he entitled to meeise all their powm sad pri.'" He We. of opinios that, Instead of having a censMion of 62 member, they should have 'three pad and reportable members, who should be always rat attendance. Lord J. BUSSELL said that it appeared to him that the proposition of the right hog. gentleman was directly opposed te the repel of the aronernittee of this holm. Tiro is. gen tleman bad stated that a change was nemesery, but the shop he reetweaseadad we. that there should be be a totem &Anon of ditty. He proposed to dispense with the larger body who wen beaded to take into einehiseation questloas of great priseipbe sad that Step should only rehda the small committee Mink was intended to not is miser matters. He (lend J. Bussed) did not at all thigh that that change would he an improvement. S'r B H. INOLIS, in opposing the motion of the honourable member for Cockermouth, slid that he found fault with his bets and not with his resionias. After a few wards in reply from Mr. KORMAN, Sir B. HALL said that he was very glad that they were now ambled to discus the whole quinine et the proseedinp of the Beelesiestied Commission. Orie proposition wee that the episcopal bod should no longer form part of the Heels siestisal Cos In that proposition he mut entirely agree, aad if aa appeal were made to the whole of the matey, it maid be found that the game opiate spinet the peeseedloge of the Bealmiastioal Comminion was a strong one, and that people would unsainously desire, as Meade of the shateb, that the episcopal body should no beget eratisse in the oommissioa. If aaytb g could be possibility,brino into disrepute thoesaduct of the commission It was the wedeln of the episcopal body in the Bale sisstical Combines. The best proof that what his hon. bleed had endeavoured to obtain was right,was that there had be. n a bill brought down to reform these eeelesiastical commie stoners. Allusion bad teen made to the feet that there were bishops who had incomes ten time greater than the First Lord of the Treason. Ho had no heeitation in declaring that the Bishop of London bad that amount of income. At all events he had the honour to represent Paddington—ons of the meet valuable properties in the United Kingdom, and if it was well managed it ought to produce 100,0001. a year. What was the return made by the bishop foe seven years subsequent to 1837 ? The Bishop of I. radon's Income in 1837 wae 14,5101.. and in 1843 the net income was 12,4811, showing • loss of 2,0391. What was the state of the perish at that time? In order to show that this was not a mere naboaded statement, he would show the assessment of the parish in 1837, and bow it was increased largely in coors- Tremor of the buildings of the Bishop of London. In 1837 tee assessment of Paddington was 12,8681.; is 1843. 19,1641. ; being en increase in seven years of 6,2961. derived from buildings on the Bishop of London's estate, although during that period of time he lost no less a sum than 2,0291. Here was soothe , very carious cue, that of the Bishop of Exeter. la 1837, his income was returned at 2,1361. (be was now speaking of the income of the ens), and in 1843 he put it down at 3411. How was it possible, unless it was from the litigious character of the proceedings of the right tee. prelate, that he could put down only this sum ? It reminded him of a elergyman of the diocese of London, I whose living was 1,7001., and his return 1001. lie said thst he spent 1,8001. a year to mailmen himself and his family, and had at the end of the year 1001., arid he moldered it u his net income and returned it as such. The income* of the bishops, in 1843, amounted ' to 97,5591 la. Bd., being 8,0001. a year for each bishop. That was the gross income, hut to skew how remarkably well they d their affairs, they returned their net income at 153,7031. From tee time that hon. friend had taken notice of the proceedings of the Se slesiastical Commission down to the present time there had been no report of their proceedings. They had been particularly sileht as to any proceedings of the Board, I slid when the noble lord was asked when be thwart he should be able to let the house have the report of the Endo- I siastieal Commiseim, the noble lord oboe* hie head, and said ! " I will undertake to say that after the bill has passed, some report shall be made annually." Then was one difficulty in touching upon this question, and that I was to make a distinction between the men holding the office I and the (Ace itself. lie confessed that, as a member of the church of Wigrand, he I ad greet veneration for the epic. copal voice; but he had very little veneration or respect I for some of the gentlemen who held the office. The I bishops were desired to send an account of their gross in- I eine, and they returned their actual income at 123,2691. He thought he should be able to show that they bad ex- I pended this money for their own peculiar benefit, without this king sufficiently of the clergy at large. This I.tata• anent was made by his hon. friend three or four years ago. I On eight palaces they expended 143,0001 In 1842 the Bishop of Easter was called on to pay the assessed taxes; he demurred to the payment, and said he we. non-midget. The case was brought before the judges, and they deter mined that, inasmuch as he had left some portion of his I furniture, he was liable to the assessed taxes. What I took pine during the time when be made it known to all the world that his was an ishabited hoax. ? The palace was ! going into dilapidation; be sent for 13,0001. fur repairs. and it was granted. This was the whole of the capital I which we. left for repairs, he had expended the whole of I this capital sehen be ought to have kept his own palace in I repair, end he had prevented hie own suclemors for genets tions from receiving interest for the money. By an act of I parliament the bishops could borrow money from the epis copal fund ; they did not pay interest upon that; they ex peeled it upon their palaces. In the eve of the Bishop of On- I lord it came out in the evidence of Mr. Murray, late secretary to the commission, that there were two grants, one (swards improving the residence, and the ther towards the dentin of Caddesden, and they were granted under this special cm ditioo, that it the sum of money to be impended, or here after expended, should exceed the amount to be granted by the ecclesiastical commissioners, the bishop ehonld pay the whole of the surplus himself; and it was cow paid out of the income of the see. The Bubo) of Worcester rime iced 7,000 1, the Bishop of Rip .n 16,1111., the Bishop of GI itiLeeter 23,6271, the Bishop of Itrchester for his new pike ' and the Bishop of Line An received 54,4401. for his paint. in Litieolo. lie undertock to say that there never was such misapplication as this. In these eight sees there were 85 parishes where the income of the clergymen we. less than 501. a year, and 417 vinare it was between 601. and 1001. The manner in which the money bad been rquandered by the ecclssiastical commissioner', had been rendered still more evident by the very extraordinary paper which was placed on the tables of bon. members this morning. It wai moved for on the 3rd March, and it was a document which mioht have been placed on the table of the house the following week, but every delay had been ti rown in the way of ibis document being printed, and it was not printed until after repeated 'milli:mime to the: house. One argument used by the hon. member for the university of Cambridge, in reference to the large income derived by bishops, was that they ought to have large incomes because they spent so much in charity. In an article which ap peared in the Daily Nem, a few days ago, he found that the Bi.hop of Oxford gave exactly 2s. Bd. in charity for every 1001. of his income. The bi.lorms had sent round a circular calling upon persons to subscribe for a new bishopric at Quebec. On lnokiog over the whole of the dona tions he found that only 6101. had been subscribed by arch bishops and bishops of England, whilst six laymen had sub scribed 9001. In 1838 the church leases committee was op pointed, sad the noble lord war chairman of that committee. They made their report on the 6th May, 1939, and they said that the system was equally detrimental both to the lessor and the lease. By a table which he held in his hand it ap peared that the cur nes who performed the duties of those reverend absentees had salaries varying from 401. to 1101. a year, and yet the rpisoopal commissioners had not lbseght their case worthy of consideration. lb J. PAKINOTON rose to order. The mattes alluded to by the hon. baronet wire quite beside the question which She committee had to decide. That question was whether the three episcopal members should be excluded from the commission. Mr. BERNAL considered that the hon. baronet the mem bar for Marylebone was laying grounds fur an argument goriest the retention of a certain portion of the commission. In en doing he was perfectly in order. (lieu.) Sir B. HALL said he had been endeavouring to show that the episcopal body was unworthy the cot fidence of the ' house, and he would proceed to show that while exhi biting the most commendable seal in taking gaze of themselves they had wholly neglected the interests of the poorer Weir. He wondered that the bon, baronet the member for Droitwich should have interrupted him in an attempt to bring forward the ease of the poor curates. 2,958 of these poor curates had no house ; and he menteined that the funds of the commission would have been much better employed in providing them with residences than in tuilding palaces for the bishops. (Hear, hear.) Had the episcopal portion of the commission made any attempt to stay the plague of pluralities, or had they endeavouree; to remedy those institutions whisk were &disgrace and an abomination to the church, the cathedral establishmeata ? (Hear, hear.) There was another board, and a most useful one, with which these right rev. prelates - were connected, that for distribut ing Queen Anne's bOunty, and their attendance at that board when the interests of the poor curate were concerned formed a strange contrast with their &modem at the commission when their own interests formed the sub ject of consideration. The revenue of that fund was about 180,0001. a year, and the expenses &blot 11,0001. ; but at the meetings in 1848 the Bishop of Durham, with 26,0001. a Lear, attended only once, and the Bishop of Salisbury, the Bishop of Llandaff, and others not more than two or three times. He went on to the building fund for the poorer till, and he found that the only time the bishops at ill was when they wanted to borrow money, they having borrowed 80,0001 , at a low rate of interest to build palaces for themselves. (Hear.) The bishops had always expressed thrombin anxious to abolish pluralities, hut so far from that he could show the house that in the very diocese in which they were standing there was at the present moment one of *must monstrous eases of ploraliim that ever misted, and that was in the ease of the man who wsa called the Ocrlsts vim*. the bishop's own archdeacon. But the uses were &onerous, and a disgrace to a Christian church. Four emus of Canterbury held preferment, to the amount of 11,7101. a year, four canons of Ely to the amount of 11,0001., G ad sae held a rectory in Wales, where he had to preach to • cos aof whose language he was wholly ignorant. And here ht be allowed to relate a story which would show the eves ludicrous consequences which monitions MOB from this ignorenee, A short time since there was ea examination of adults by the bishop, who was anxious to as ertain their proficiency jegglials. It occurred in the library of the episcopal Bales, is eh* press of the ofeellye abde he believed, some these four points to which the ken. geodemaa bad elided, but that had oath's, did* with tk• preemie usestion. He would ask the Mater consider whether at 'resent the men who m's* engaged in the mercantile navy weete either in see or in position such as should upressat the mercantile ry or the drat commercial coast* in eke world. Mr. CLAY powdered that the bowie was legleiseilig en a great subject is way. Why was the iseastin trade to be left out of this bill altogether ? He obj _need to girlug ca pt a ins increased power. I could net believe it was visible to interfere between muter and servant, and such isterference mutt be productive of additional exposes. If no member awed hr a select einsintittee he should vela with the hoe. mend. be Dartmes.. Lord J. MANNERS m dThathbegisignld& talkie bill bad esEddlealle nee1...11. 111 1 time whim the diti banes end the runniest had "ilrg li d i = sada hed fobbed for • long time, end the West of whisk bed been Mayfield the mercantile istend, the shipowsers did net skim, bell the consideration of 'milepost, • remind. of the milli burdens to which they had been subjeated. It was true thee great improvements bad taken plans in this bill; but his opinion wee unchanged, that there were many details which had beds, be referred to a select com mittee than diseased withie the walls of the house. Mr. LA BOUCHERE said that se he was anxious that the bill should speedily get late committee, be would not detail the house by any leagthened observations on the present stage. lie had been told that it wss generally unpopular with the shipping interest : be directly and explicitly eon tradieted that assertion. The great ports of Bristol, Glee pw, and Ltverpool had expressed their unanimous concur rence hets provisions, sad as for individuals approving of them could enumerate hundred'. but should confirm detail( to two—Mr. Gilmore, of Glasgow, who owned x 6,000 toes of shipping, and Mr. Green, of London—the latter a gentleman generally and favourably hoera he the Interest he took in the comfort and wellbeing of chessmen is his employment. Both of these gualsoun were warm serputen ef the main provisions of the bill, sad, laded, bad given valuable suggestions and adduce in the framing of those provisions. (Hear, hear.) With respect to the charge of not having legislated on so important a question se the light duties, he begged to remind the born that during the last year the Trinity-house had redueed the light duties on the northern coast of England one-half, and that the parties interested had /unwed thentselve , very grateful for tee reduction. The bill bed three great objects in view— first, to provide that every sae taking the command of • mer chant skip should previously submit to en examine:los, and novehisecupetency for sorespoosible anoflles. The next ob .'', and one which buttressed much discussion, was the ap pointment of shipping waiters at each port to get as in esemediaries between the captain and the seaman. The tided object was the prevention of desertion. and in making stringent provisions against that offence be felt that he wee serving the men usually with the owners. He trusted that the house would now consent to go into somasittee on the bill, which, he tad it on the authority of Mr. Consul Crowe, would inaugurate • system precisely aaalogoue to one which bad given tee greatest satisfaction in Sweden and 'Norway. Mr. BERRIES dialed that the government measure had met with general acceptation from the shipping interest. His objection to it VOW from the fad that when last year they repealed the majesties laws, they were to do everything pos sible for the British shipowner to enable him to struggle sae oessfally with foreign competition. They had iss, cad on the mercantile marine an onerous condition—pointed out to parliament at the time—which pressed heavily on the British shipowner in competing with foreigners in regard to the manning of ships, and that without ant removing the bur den of the timber dudes. This was a muter for considera tion in imposing any new reynthtiou upon that interest. He suggested that they should go into committee on the i bill, consider and amend its provisions, end then allow time for its consideration by the shipping interests before proceed- iag further with it. Mr. CARDWELL thought the question was, should the measure be defeated for the present sessim or not ? Appry iog, as he did, of the bill in its altered shape, be was anxious that it sh.uld pus. Ths bill as originally introduced placed the whole of the mercantile marine of the couatre in the hands of • government department. In the present bill that objection was removed, and the powers of the Board of Trade were limited and plainly d. fined. Mr. MACGREGGOR believed that if the bill had passed fi'ty years ago one-bail of the shipwrecks and consequent hie of lite which bad occurred dutieg that time would have been avoided. If this bill bad been law the Orion would not have been line Mr. MOFFATT, seeing the opinion of the house to be generally anima him, would withdraw his amendment. The amendrunt was accordingly, by leave, withdrawn. L'lrd J. MANNERS moved that the bill be referred to • select committee. The house divided on this amendment, and the !nimbus were— For the motion For the amendment 34-86 Mr. WARN objected to all measures of restriction, until the 'ornament plated the British shipowner on a footing of equality with the oreisreer. He protested against the de cision which had jut been come to, and espressed his r.grat that the government bad not held out any I teepees of the removal of those burdens by which the shipping interest was now fettered. Toe house then went into committee pro forma, and hay ing mauled, and the chairman having obtained leave to sit agais tomorrow (this day) at 12 o'clock, the sitting wu mounded till 5 o'clock. The house PETITIONS PRESENTED. Jaws' PAILLI•DINNT•ST 0•SIL BILL.—By Sir R. H. INGLIS, from the clergy and congregation of the church of the Holy Trinity, Tewkesbury ; rector, churchwardens, and other inhabitants of Witchamptoss, and of Hinton Perm, Dorsetthire ; rector, churchwardens, all the county voters, and all but four of the other inhabitants of Syclenbus Ds mareU, Devon; Lord ALFRED HERVEY, frees Castle Ri.ing, in Norfolk; Lord BUIiGHLEY, from Bukingbass, Lincoln; Mr. PLUMPTUE, from Willesbrough, Best; from Birchen, Newton, and Docking, Norfolk; from Sand ford and Croutnarsh (I.fford, Oaf rdshire ; Mr. MOODY, from Winsham, Moatacute, Otteriumpton, and Locking, aid from Solidus, in Cheshire; Mr. bURROUGHES, from • plea in Norfolk; Mr. MUNDY, from Demeston, Derbyshire; against the admission of Jews to praliameat.— Be Mr. MOFFATT, from • place in Oxfordshire, ix favour of their admission. POIT'OFFICE —By Sir R. H. INGLIS, from Wattles, Norfolk; Marston Sias, Gloucestershire; Mr. VESEY, trim See, Queen's County; Mr, GREENE, from the Lan caster Walking Men's Society; Mr. NEELD, from the high bailiff and other inhabitants of Crocklade, Wilts; Mr. PM; APTRE. from Troyes Newton, in the county of Nor folk; Mr. MOODY, from Somerset and Compton Dundee, is Samertetabire. and lialpth, in Cheshire ; Mr. WALPOLE, from Sussex ; Sir G. GREY, from Tatton and I lexhans, North umberland ; Mr. BURROUGHES, front a place in Norfolk ; Mr. MUNDY, from • place in Derbyshire; Mr. CHRISTO PHER, from a pia e in Lincolnshire; Mr. COWAN, from Free Church Presbytery of Edinburgh; Mr. FULLER, from lliellinibs ; Mr. FARRER, from Darlington ; Mr. HEADLAM, from Newcastle, in favour of the recent alters don in the Post-. Mee »gaieties' being not interfered with, or having a fair trial. By Mr. ORD (3), from Newcastle; Mr. STANSFIELD, from Yeadon. Yorkshire ; Ss C. LEMON, from Tantworth ; Lord A. HERVEY from Brighton; Sir W. MORISON, from Atlas; Mr. 0. RICARDO, from Wor seder; Sir J. Y. BULLER, from Axminster; Mr. TOASTER, from Witham and Royston; Lord G. PAGET, hem Beaumaris; Sir A. HOOD, from Wivilseconsbe, So. Inmost, praying that the resent regulations he rescinded. MALT TAI.—Bv Mr. FULLER, from Winehilda, Udi seen leklesham, Playas, and Guldford, for the repeal of the m alti tax. STEAM TO AUSTRALIA. Lord NAAB gave notice that on going into committee of ' lowly he shield move that an address be presented to her M sped , ' for ensuring a regular steam navigation to the Aus tralian colonies. EXPENSE OF THE POLICE FORCE —THE INDUS TRIAL EXHIITION. In answer to an hon. member, who inquired whether any addition to the police force that might be required, in con sequence of the industrial exhibition of 1851, would be at the expense of the metropolitan parishes, Sir G. GREY said he had no reason to anticipate that them would be any inereses of the police force for that Puflxse• CASE OF MR. JOHN FLEMING. Ia nrly to Sir P. NLOENT, Sir W. SOMERVILLE laid that it was true Mr. Firming had been appointed a stipendiary ma/Mints by her Majesty's goviireateat. He could not Mato the exact date of the appointment, but it was within the last m:nth ; net • they could he tell the exact district. The salary was 4001. • year. THE EXHIBITION OF 1861. Col. SIBTHORP asked the First Lord of the Treasury, whether he will gin ea assurance, on the pan of her Majesty's government, that no engagement has been or will be sound into, directly or indirectly, to any party or parties, for the payment or promise of payment, of any sum or sums of money that have been cr may be hereafter incurred, in aid of tie expenses for the proposed Exhibition of 1861, for the Works of Art and Industry of all Nation', in whatever glace Or part the United Kingdom of Great Briton and Ireland the of said proposed Exhibition of 1861 may take see. ° Lord J. RUSSELL said with reaped to the question whether any engagement had been entered into, the only one that had been entered in** was wader them circum stances: before the royal commission was appdetted there had been a contract with an individual with reeved to sa undertaking to pay the expel= el the grestina of a bri, and other expenses canneatati with the sw conditions. - When the rionimimiew wee thm were representations from vail piety in mg= straggly urging that that private enntrast abseil he The comminkesen the was net peened that 11.0 ink loge sonsideraties these representations, cad were nowlelenella opinion that the entrust ought to be anetelisti, in order to do that It was to Bator iMe name aseuranse that the °Winter ehoald be paid the cam which, wader certain eireurastanece, it had km Weed should be paid to him. The only engagement that the trea sury took wee, that they would immediately find the money that was noseseary to get rid of the contrast, provided that they had sewarity that the money should be repaid to them. They got what they eassidated galena% security, end, the:e lm, there would be no express to the public THE lONIAN ISLANDS. _ Colord DUNifir, e;riagii; BeieVary7oi the Cerra Ia his plass, barred whether it was true that re mate of C afa hid appalaeid a coraiedoa to inquire foto the con duct of IM Lewd 11.1 Coratironer of the loran birds, and whillise the Lard nigh Comminionsr bad not pro rogued the rare la eoreosease Mr. HAWES rid he premised the hoe. rarabor resat the @marbly. It was not rue that the marbly had ap- EVRNING, JULY 9, 1850„ A Oise wee asked to repeat the potable at the sewer, which be did; bet es subssossilibes dui pane% the Wimp pensived that he plis yen speoldg by rote, end asked Us to esplain wind - 4nd tenni by " The birds of the sir." The men easwend be Welsh, but the bishop said, " Oh, you en answer well ensile in tegible f "es have plesty et theta in your eon perish." .Thiontill and energenally, " No, Skink God ! v'a't an . be pressed for as eagleastion, he sad that he " Riede of the air " to MUM py girls, who went le &web, sad embed tiNdp naps at the parson. (Loa/bees Oa smellisee sesseies, wiles a clergymen attempted se anseamle Oat es tie" tabeerin Saaday there would be • nblitaleliete he Sbi Irish, he said that on that day ibry weal p Amadei IM Isiah. (A laugh.) But thew wes• *sly two est If Wee& of same in which Weals@ twee frees the fast of &grew being appointed in Wales de "mew settling of dm Massage. now came ben e'Ml= d Ste inmelemess_ is the disease el Leaden. al fa the iIIR be laid Is his hand Hal*, Arced... 1551.." hat In oddities to that is was canon of St. rasre,' 1,2001., Master of the Chute, House, 1,4001, Wier of Si. Odes% Capplegate, 2,01111., mishits, a total of endsments of considerably upwards of 6,0001. a year. He alba bow was it possible for one man to "find to all these &lin (Nest.) Again, there was Archdeacon Crofts with 10 maemeefelesisil eutelement ineludine a Hang which be bed tit visited for ten yeses and entounting is all to unions of 11,0001. a year. (Hear.) Should not the commissioners who bad pearlised such abuses be dismissed at once ? He would Set even let them down easy, but dismiss them at nee from the board they had disgraced. (Hear, hear.) There was ' one case in which they had abolished a pluselatrao curios' that he utald not pose It ever without notice. The Bishop of Rochester's income was fined in 1846 at 4,5001, and he retuned his nett receipts at 9641. They added 3,6401. to make up the deficiency ; but is the meet year the bishop made an application to the eemmississn,teUiag asset that he held two other appointments, but that if they gave him 4,6001, he would resign them. And thus they would have the credit of Ir.ving abolished a pluralin. The plan was agreed and the bishop made 1,6001. a year by hie bargain. Who would not give up plu ralities on such terms ? (Hear, hear.) Baskin that, how ever, a passe was built for him, which cost 28,0001. Now, to show the contrast between a bishop and a curate, he would take the cam of the Archbishop of Canterbury end one of his curates. His grace had been Bishop of Custer for 20 years, and canon of Durham for 28 peers, and two years Archbishop of Canterbury, end during that time had ro - caved 174,0001. Now, npposieg the curate to have non of the year one of the Christian era, he would, down to 18.50, have received 129,0001, leavings balance of 46,0001 in faveur of the archbishop (Load laughter.) But that was not all. Whole pages of the Clergy List were filled with the name of Sumner, who appeared to be ell natural born par sons. (A laugh.) he (Sir D. Hall), was reminded of an Waltman who applied to him for employment in the puller at Abero y, and when as k ed for his qualifications, said, " Oh, please your honour, I'm a natural burn watchman." (Laughter.) It would seem that in lake gunner the Sumner@ wen all natural born parson. (Hear, hear) Agin, the Bishop of Enter had during nineteen years in his various appointments received 129,3001., while one of Lis curates, commencing with the Christi ,n ere, would have received 6;,8001, leaving a tulance of 64,6001. in favour et tag bishop. (Hear, hear.) But the Pitillpotta were as numerous in the church lathe Sooners. There were sons, and sons in law, and nephews, with two or three appointments each, and all these pluralities had been perpetrated while the commistioners were sir ing,themen whose duty it was to abolish pluralities. (Hear, hear.) The hon. baronet concluded 1.7 expressing his in- tention of supporting the amendment. Sir 0. GREY said that a large portion of the hon. barn. net's observations had nothing whatever to do with the question bekre the committee, perhaps arising from the fact of his being unacquainted with the statutable duties of the commissioners. The hon. baronet had cited many instances I of pluralitier, which were no doubt much to be regretted, but the fact was, that the commissioners hail no power ct dealing with the question. He knew nothing of the case of Archdeacon Hav, hut it did not appear that the hon. baronet's remedy of sending the bishops to live on their dioceses would have done much in that case, Is adopting the proposal of his noble frien.l (Lord John Russell) to place the whole management of the property in the hands of an estates committee they would be carrying out the view of his hon. friend the member fee Mahon (Mr. E. Denison), and he hoped the committee would adhere to the recommendation of the select committee by sanctioning the larger body for general purposes, but placing the property under the management of a limited body. Sir J. PAKINOTON wished to say a few words to relieve the character of a connexion of his, the Bishop of Winchester, , from the injurious imputations which the statements of the hon. member were calculated if allowed to go unanswered end unexplained to cast upon it. The hon. gent:come said that that bishop was one of those who had spent Large sums i in building and improving the episcopal palaces, and that not being content with the palace attached to the see he had ex- ' ended upwards of 20,0001. on a palace in Essex. Nothing , could be further from the fact. (Hear) The expenditure referred to arose from the alteration in the limits of the diocese by which the old palace at Bromley was no longer ' within the limits of the see, and had the bishop remained there he would have been non-resident. (Hear.) But that , poises had bean sold and the amount obtained for it had tar mere that. paid the expense of the new palace in Rues. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman had made another statement equally unfounded and still more invidious. He had said that the Bishop of Rochester I had made a merit of giving up his pluralities, but had in- t creased his income by 1,600/, a year by the change ; but the truth wee that the plueslities the bishop o dared were of more value than the bishopric. Sir B. HALL explained that his statement had been founded on the only documents which the ecclesiastical com missioners had made public as to the value of the bishopric, and the value of the pluralities he bad obtained morn the Clergy List. Mr. GLADSTONE wished to have informationg respect ing the 64,0001. which the hon. gentleman had stated had Men spent tter the palace o' the Bishop of Lincoln. S.r B II ALL observed that that included the estate. Mr. GLADSTONE wished to know whether that sum was not included in the amount which he had taken as the total incomes of certain bishops ? 11e would not go into the details of that transaction, but the opinion of the commissioners was that uo better liar. gain could have been mode for the interests of the church. It was mut unjust to soy that this money was taken from the funds which would have been applicable to the increasing the stipenls of the working clergy (and he mum Repudiate the distinction which was ettempted to he drawn between th, bishops and the working clergy, for he believed the bishops worked harder than any curate). But with regard to the case in question, he believed the transaction was in the shape of an exchange of lands, in order to bring the residence of the Bisbee of Lincoln more immediately within the neighboutheo tof his duty. He was alive to the detects of the administration of the ecclesiastical com mission in regard to certain portions of their buoions, bat he must protest against the attempt to throw on the shoulders of the bishops all the short comings of„the commission. He believed the noble lord's amendment would ett; et a neat improvement by limiting the : management of the property to an estates committee. Aster a few words from Mr. E. DENISON, Mr. HORSHAM observed that his objection was to the bishops having secular duties heaped upon them at all. lie believed his amendment was addressed to the right govern ment of the church and the steno:Mt fulfilment of the epis copal functions. Mr. P. WOOD thought it would be better if the nominee commissioner were permanent. The nmmittee divided— For the clause 6O For Mr. Horentan's amendment 24-38 The clause was then agreed to. On clause 2 Mr. E. DENISON asked the house to support the re commendation of the "elect committee, that there *hotel be three paid commissioner to manage the property under the ju risdiction of this commission which amounted including tithe rent-charges, lento, and other matters to not less than 70,0000001. This was a more important tuition than it mig'it seem at first eight, as ultimately all the church property of lesson would fall into the hands of this estates committee, and some cen tral authority was necessary to administer such a vast amount of property. Mr. GLADSTONE opposed the amendment. It was principally grounded on the immense amount of property which would come under the management of the commis sioners ; but et pretest that property was not of one-third the amount. It would be a treat error to appoint officers with large salaries before the duties arose ; it was a much more anneal course to make the additional wpointutects when the increasing duties called for them. The parliamentary committee had recommended three paid aseimissionere, not on account of the duties, but to create a ennterbalance to the two appointed by government. Sir 0. GREY concurred in the propriety of not burden ing the funds with unnecessary salaries. The government had thought the services of a third oommissioner might be secured, who was receiving a salary from soma other otlice, and mirth' be es efficient on the commission as a paid officer. Mr. P. WOOD did not think it probable that the regular attendance of an unpaid commissioner could he secured. Sir B. HALL said he objected entirely to the composition of the commission. He would propose that two commis eionen appointed by the government and one by the arch bishop should be paid. Mr. HORSMAN suggested that the Church Building Commission, and the Commissienen of Queen Anna% Bounty, should be amalgamated with the Ecclesiastical Com mission, whereby a great saving of salaries would be sifec . d. Lord J. RUSSELL was understood to say that it was not ' desirable at present to appoint a third paid commissioner ; but that it might be done, should an increase of the duties render it necessary. Lord HARRY VANE supported the recommendation of Mr. Horseman for the consolidation of the three commis sioner. Mr. E. DENISON withdrew his amendment, and the clause was agreed to, as were the three following ones. On clause 6, which enacts that the church estates manse stoners shall, with two other members (one a layman), to be appointed by them, form" the estates committee," Sir B. HALL said the whole country wu crying out with disgust 'Rana the management of the church property being confided to a body appointed like the present coalmines'. Hs would therefore move the omission of the elate*. Lord J. RUSSELL said the select committee had recom mended that three paid oommissionen should be members of this committee, thereby clearly showing that they in tended some members of the present commission to be mem bers of the church estates committee. Tbe government had gone rather beyond the recommendation of the select committee as to the constitution of this estates committee. The object of the government was to make an ediciest cum- •.. -~. emission. erel sa l Melseet it many laymen who were *Reel lest men of Mr. BUJ:ra. the commission had not abused their trust, why WO this Ethisrought in ? (Rear, hear.) He should vote for striking eat this clause. Sir J. TROLLOPS. is a member of the select committee, said the be. beennee (Sir B. Hall)) had fallen into error in stating that the Bishop of Lincoln had received 64,0001. from the sithalastial commission ; he had only received 6,2001.—the romalader had been applied In the per. sham of estate. Mika had bees obtained at a cheep rate. There had also hem a mastatement as to the Bishop of Rochester • the feet wes. he had sold li t i a sziscopal resi dence at Bromley for 30,0001., and pure another (or 24,0001, the eceleethatial fund beneadng by the difference. Mr. GLADSTONE defended the proposed tromposition of the estates committee, sad tM seems having the appoint ment of two lumbers, would have a complete control over the amassment of property, as two of the Mara estates otuanalasioners must concur ea every act done. After a few words from. Mr. Mayouta and Sir G. Gallo, Mr. HUME said that if three outs, the five eemmieetonen were to be ealestatinal commiesionen, it would be giving a direct majority to the church. Sir G. GREY said it was not necessary they should be ecclesiastical commissioners. Mr. HENLEY thought the clauses were not at all suffi ciently precise or clear. From the manner in which they were drawn no one could say what their effect might be when they came into operation. He could not see what were the powers which were to be conferred on the estates ociessaittee. Lord J. RUSSELL called the hon. gentleman's attention to the terms of the 6th and 7th clauses, which appeared to him to be very clear. Mr. HENLEY thought, with all deference for the noble lord's opinion, that the difficulty to which he had referred had sot been at all cleared up. The 7th clause empowered the estates committee to manage the property of the eccle siastical commissioners, bat there was no provision whatever to restrain the ecclesiastical commissioners from doing anything they pleased. Whet was to prevent them from dealing with the suttee ? A report in writing was to be made to them under the bands of three at least of the committee, of whom two should be church estates commissioners. It seemed to him to bo a very incoasenient course that the power of the estates committee and the power of the commission at large, should be concurrent. He thought it ought to be made quite elem. Lord J. RUSSELL said the sense of the clause was quite plain. He did not, however, mean to say that the words might not be liable to the interpretation put upon them by the hon. gentleman. Care should, at all event., be taken that there should bs no enisapprehen.ion on the subject. Mr. HORSMAN said, that although great respect ap• peered now to have been paid to the recommendation of the committee, it had already been dissented from. The committee then divided, when there appeared— For the amendment Against it 76-43 On clause 7 being prepaid— Sir G. 0 ItEY said it might be right to take • little time to consider the insertion of some words in this clause, in accordance with the suigestion of the member for Oxford, but they might take another opportunity of doing so. Mut. DENISON proposed adding these words to the clause: " That the estates commissioners should have the power to employ such solicitors, surveyor., or actuaries as they should think fit." On putting the question, Lord J. RUSSELL objected to the amendment on the ground that it would be laying the foundation of perpetual jealousy and controversy between the church commissioners and the committee. Mr. GLADSTONE said the matter was one of import. ance and some difficulty. The amendment might be printed, and considered at a future day. Mr. P. WOOD said it was obviously the intention of the government that the estates committee should be the work ing body, and have the sole management of the church e states. Mr. HENLEY suggested the withdrawal of the amend ment, which was age, ed to, and the clause paned. Clauses 8 and 9 were also passed. Os clause 10 being proposed, Mr. HENLEY said it gave all power over the b:dy of the commosi -in to ens branch of it. Sir G. GREY said that an alteration had been made is the clause. It was then passed as amended, as also clause 11. Oa claws 12 being proposed, Mr. HORSMAN said this clause referred to the audit ing of the accounts of the ecclesiastical corcmissi niers under the directions of the Treasury. He wished to ask whether the noble lord (J. Russell) would have any objection to in trodueo words calling upon the commissioners also to make au annual ri port ? Sir G. GREY !aid an annual report would be required, but he did not exactly know whether it would contain minute details. Mr. HORSMA-N said he was only axioms that • report should be made annually. Sir G. GREY said he had no objection whatever, and the clause was passed. On clause 13 being proposed, Sir 0. GREY said the effect of the amendment proposed to this clause, would be to assimilate the bile to the mate in which it was in the other house of parliament. Mr. GLADSTONE said this clause gave the ecclesiastical cominis.ionera power to transfer any surplus arisirg from the episcopal fund to the common fund. Nothing could be more outrageous than to deprive the poor of the blessin is of spiritual education. The parochial funds had lost a great deal g srhico ought to have been made available for those purpose.. He could not consent to the clause without moving an amend- t meat, of which he had given notice, although it was in the , shape of • clause by which it was proposed to enact, 1 Tkat wherever it shall have been shorn to the satisfaction of the Ecclesiastical Commiseioners that the sum id 30,0'01. has been pro- I sided by private contnbuticms towards tie endowment of an episcopal ; see, In any place or district having a population of not less th-in one hundred thousand souls, ce towards the erection of an episcopal residence, and that one half at least of the raid thirty thousand pounds has been contributed by persons red .ing or bolding property therein, it shall then be lawful few the said ecclesiastical eo I.lntesion ere, it they shall think It, • ith the consent of the bishop or bishops at the true having juriial.etion ovor such place or distritt, and of the archbishop of the province, to frame sod to submit to her Majesty council for her approval, a scheme fur the erection of a bi-hopric ul such place or district, and of any parts contiguous thereto, accordingly; end to propose the appropriation towards the endowment thereof of any sum not • sceeding Mt en hundred pounds per annum, from any monies now standing to the en dit of the epis copal fund, or hereafter te accrue to the comtriscliners from am- epi copal estate or property, or from the regulated anneal paym.nt . of any bishop, or to prepare the annexation to such I.est ut any estate or models veetet in the commission, and estimated to produce an average act income not esceo.tng the said amount, and In such ease, to make provision for the redemption of any portion of the raid estate or estates, it it shall appear that at any future time its perma nent net income Is raised beyond the said amount, and likewise sub. }ect to such consent as aforesaid, to define the limits of the dowels to be constituted; and when her Majesty in council shall be plowed to give her ascent to such scheme, it shell bold good in law te all intents and purposes, and the diocese so described shall be separated from all other epoicipsl jurisdictions, and shah become sue ject to the sole epis copal jurisdiction of the Whop to he appointed thereto. lie confessed that his object in providing for the raising of oo large a local contribution was not merely to lighten the tee on the central fund, though it was important that they should not have any claim on • fund which ought to he applied to parochial purposes, and therefore he had fixed the income ¶at 11001 a-year (of course the bishop not having a seat in the House of Loral, that intention being palpable from the amount of income fixed,) yet it was likewise with the view, and the more immediate view (the nbecrip don being conclusive evidence of it), that in the place itself and among members of the church, there should be a desire to found a bishopric and a desire to receive a bishop, thus making an °peeing for ;all the excellent effects which were likely to follow from the estabiishment of the see, and that the bishop should be received not with mordants but with eagerness and satisfac Lion, the plan having originated not (rota head-quarters but from local feeling ant desire. A bishop appointed under such circumetances, would become really the spiritual and eccle.iostical head of the community over which he was placed; and although he might not know personally every one in his diocese (for he, Mr. Gladstone, doubted if St. Ambrose had • personal acquaintance with every one in his diocese of Milan), yet be could discharge duties similar to Shoo) which in Leeds and other large towns were performed by men of great energy who were only in the position of paro chial clergy. Lord J. RUSSELL said that the reason for adopting this clause was, that after the discussions in the house and the report of the committee, it was thought that the spiritual wants of large parishes (and this was confirmed by the firet report. of the Commission of Inquiry) were so great that it was considered advisable that all the sums which could be applied to that purpose, should be devoted*, the increase of parochial cures. In compliance with that view an alteration was proposed in the original emoritution of the funds made by the first commission of icquiry, namely, the separation with. episcopal fund. It was a question much considered by the commission, and he did not think that if the right hon. gentleman had been a member of it, he could have the appropriation of certain funds for the purposes of bishoprics overlooked. It wu a subject of frequent discus sion io the commission, more especially as the late Arch bishop of Canterbury, and the Lite Earl of Ilarrowby, enter tained • different opinion on the matter. Thee the right hon. gentleman said that if the house decided that there should be no separate funds, and that the common episcopal fund be made one, it would at ones tt shelve " the question at the creation of mew bishopric., and would, io tact, be a decision that there were to be no new bishoprics. He (Lord J. Russell) could net consider that question so absolutely decided. It was true it was not proposed to pro ceed with the royal commission which was in exist ence three years ago, for the creation of new bishops. The commissioners and the Archbishop of Canterbury had considered this question, and they were of opinion that it was desirable to give as much of the funds as possible for the creation of parochial districts, and that no hill should be iatroduced for the for mation of any new bishoprios until there was a more general assent to each • proposition than was likely to be obtained now. The right hon. gentleman said that at was a mistake to create the see of Mancheeter. He (Lord .1. Russell), however, thought that if • diocese was so enormous as that of Chester, and if it was impossible fora bishop to visit the most populous p iris of his diocese, there would be more likely to be dissent from the church than the feeling in favour of the formation of a bishopric, which the right hon. gentleman seemed to think necessary. lie differed with the right hon. gentleman with regard to the creation of bishop rics. Supposing that it was considered right to add to those which were now in existence, he thought that they should be added on the ism. plan as the diocese of Manchester, with an income of about 4,0001 a year: that would he acting more in conformity with the arrangements of the church, and the regulations of the church, as at present constituted. lie did not think that such bishops could not ho the spiritual heads of their dioceses, or that taking into account the secular duties they had to perform, they mad fail in that respect. Sir R. INGLIS said he differed with his e, St league (Mr. Gladstone) wi t h regard to the est:otiose the see of Manchester, aad ee %%eked his rda, (Lord J. Rossetti) for having selected that great tom s seat of a bishopric. It being so large a town, e n d a dean and chapter having been aimed, forme., j„,, selection, and It that his noble Mead did good:Lenin, ggereh; bat be most remind hie noble friend w it* . formed that see, he also undertook to create other and nothing had sines occurred to prevent that Lei nct , agreed that great inconvinienoe wou ld arise hoes' pinijon of the episcopate from the state on the plan right hoes. friend, which in other hands and ot b., might lead to the separation of Church and State, was another plan which might be carried by la ms tote still in force—namely, the 'unseat/lie of bishops, whom sees were crested by the statute VIII. They were not intended to sit in the Bou t sad though he did not admit the pltrael of " thi clergy, in contradistinction to such a bishop n t of London, and though he would not admit that bishops only were entitled to be called 0 w oi dd it dill their junctioa would be more purely epiemp4 Material sense. When he remem be red that 21e) there were two bishops for this metray ,l e the Bishop of Westminster sat by the tide ni of London, he thought it might re &deli/hi. I a Bishop of Westminster, end precedents ethos so. Hie objection, however, to inirpirl the epi, the common fund, wet, that what wouid be would never be reeevered. - no d aspe llik b p th ir l r o eb ; h l e ßfse o er r n U d fd liage oe li v i r ja rdt e .h is eh o oftling : s u u i t n te h oi e bv rig ie " ::::::t yh t in o b : an th io : . e bu"e r : b th o red u i :r nb 4 ut : tio l h i. t i: l p;l Sir J. PAKINGTON said tle argum," o f t "' (sodsba oi bishoprics. f ah ho r a . p a ra l n ia l c : p o a. a h n ot a t .r fff h t h o a A N es °l na h i at thought h P eaa Pi n i l oo : ha l: sam e mast cisab l d sou n fulfilled his former premiss to create th;o. self on that head. Mr. S. HERBERT said the reason the LA, much over merked by secular labour at pi , they were few in number, and their elioseses The way to correct and remedy tail:ice e..., ducemen of superior mincsand eetivehel..t. Let the house reflect upon the CM• of tke There they had a man of rrong and warm the peeple, one who by his labours ant hti effected much benefit. But what bed le duties of the episcopate to his charge that if the episcopacy was to be reins! ' love, encouraging the timiu and azioi...ne the ems, who could fu;fil these several date ta—s a tk o p d hhen b a hn i ea i Sd o eay a st t e u t:Te h pr. cel y h y enia. 'ae‘k peace m akers, demands h i p o s t w d ra elser a k t if , ego u l 'kr i : i b ta nswdi i l io ect l nohwua a gofln a dpd succession' bt t a b sine: forwarding h were o nenia p ag e tn 6 :P a h ael mind to sine. a l di.igence. ,y copacy by the faithful discharge of L i s dot.. , em lad ,prat. flick. (Cheers) He regretted that V (J. Russell) had not adhered to the oelly stood, and that he did not interel the episcopacy, as he had promised to do in 1 Sir B. HALL sale! the red question before •1 whether it was desirable to have more ls.s.t..te, number o. working clergy. Now, he teat' 't the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, on :he the Bishop of Lincoln was asked the B lest, told be one of your lordship's brethren on It. additi mai number of bishops is desireb:e ," reverend prelate answered, "I Wok :tat bishops is very desirable in some TWAT. wets asked whether I think it were more d. increase of the working clergymen I do a.: desirable." Look at the condition of the w;rs., had taken the cases of eight alphabetica;lc, neigebourhooel. The livings of ail of them w year; they varied from 451. to GS.. the isigl,e,t etas of St. David's there were 23 curates. exceeded 1001. a year, 14 not se:coding ceeding 801, 14 under 601, 39 under 501., sr.o comes varied from 191. to 401. (Hear, be, those men were obliged to appear as geritteece a case, happening nearly at his own do;r,.; man who was anxious, in consequence ot the peed he had as a curate, to have el thee him which were about being given to the po thankful that they were bestowed upon tin, dignitary of the church saw Lim w site In a coloured coat, he blamed him ter rie.K s which he could not stint to purchase. 11 , said the case of the poor clergymen ought . before they appointed more bishops. Mr. A. J. HOPE said the statement of tl.er. , :c amounted to this—that rich and overfed 1.14:. ; • et; their duty. Now, the proposition before theta w bishops should be created with more halite icc)mes occupy a less dignified positias, who should eel m. working derey. Mr. DRUMMOND suggested that the tithes been remitted should be restored. Mr. HENLEY sopvrted the emendmect. Sir T. ACLAND thought that if they refuse! t: the clime as sent down t, them, they would be p.L . T.". in perpetuity any hope of adding to the inferior crilt clergy. Mr. P. WOOD objected to two failures it; the disco — first, that which divided the episcopal fund from the . men fund ; they were both the church fund. Tie next hey woo in the distinction drawn between bishops and the working clergy. He had always ob' to that distinction, and always should pr ,t.st He should, therefore, support the aniendmen'. Lord J. MANNERS contended for the cause 51 diwn trona tie House of Is Ads, and called on tie n to assent to the amendment. Mr. C. 1 CSUNER hoped the noble lord (Lord J would sate whether he conceived that the clause the effect of preventing any future endowment ot t He thought there was great doubt whether es,. not be the ed-ct of the first part of the Howie. Lord J. RUSSELL said, as he understood to • clause, its effect wan this. There were en-, -7 which could be provided for out of the constri n :.- were other purposes which could be provide a r episcopal fund, and the episcopal rani coull to the purposes of any other fund ; Du: r., •. : either the one fund or the other was a: yieeeLt • . the formation and endowment of any new ' • the clause proposed by the House ot L •rds e . ••• episcopal iund remaining as it then w is. ooe might accrue should be applicable to the pt,r? •:- mon fund. The clause which he prop se d s.v.t • t .T only one fund in future; but it provided tr.a: c..y provision be made out of the: fund her tr.- .t. livings, and other objects which were the', of the common fund, but that that fem.: able to the increase of the poorer tee , . ••• .‘ which were provided for then cut ot •-es Therefore, by the amendment which he • r latter words of the clause, power eves :to—. • ei would thereafter be the common food. o‘t ' n • both of the episcopal fund and the ..r. . purposes to which the common fund '!.. • • namely, the increase of Has smaller blebs::: • . viding for smaller livings. He did not the.: 5.,.. one clause or by the other as it then : a. ment then proposed it, was there ant , I , new bishoprics; he beii , ved that mass' ...r. parliament. There being at present on . might be argued the. it would ho a pr.', r . that fund to foundnew bishoprics and to aged, r • the surplus. In the winner, however. tr. w.. vernment proposed the clause, it would m r • . argued that the first an; Itestion of the c `LtTT..T. of assns Leo^s. not think that by the c 50.0 t ips h L e in s s e g at n o, p : p o li oth ca f etiparoastnue.eh::,c;.: wools be to rep; :y it there wee anything to :MIT the ‘l.•ctre:ion m a p . par: amt or to in the number of bistu pries. It: c.rts..:.r might from time to time he right to inzr,..,e aa , ntp ta t: . 3 bishoprics, but the inten.ion of the p I SSD 11i1114%, himself was, that the increase o should bo e first citation of new livings in populous gicrieu, Prevent any increase which milt. re ‘ :no it u ‘ h a t that ,11 Aa. provided for. (Hier 1 Lord J. MANNERS slid that Is th:re hid PITt sly bete en 1,100 applications to the e.?:nnot.-: : r sta.l. would put it to the boas; what p;oh A :to rlo. re a of increire of bishoprics if al such c'plt:eior.. were Satibtiekt first ? The house then divided For the amendment .................. 1; ; Agana: it ....................... Clauses 13 and 14 were then quid la:ass:on Ou clause 15, Several hon. members suggested a pm:t:,:::ctue:d of further consideration of the bill. Mr. DISRAELI said that as the Poi.e vonel wept the subject, he would move that the chairarot tceor. grew (Hear. hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL was disposed to po efl to or to take any other business th e house nii,:ht o n. However, he could not consent to rerun prog-, unless the house should con sent to proceed alto nos. (" Hear, hear," and " Divide, divide.' t The gallery was then cleared Pr a division, but r •ce place, in consequence of the motion, that the chso Loin t port progress, being agreed to. INCORPORATION OF BOROUGHS CONFIEIId 2 TION (NO , BILL. On the motion or lir. C. LIMA, this bid passed committee. POPULATION BILL. Oa the motion of Mr. C. Lewis, the different. esu•er this bill were agreed to. . MACOItEOOII. moved the addition of r.cht•,!..tto viding a variety of minute statis tical rcturrt•• re` 'r••' ! employments, productions, possessi on s, sc.! religt .11. ter.. of the nt Mr. C. dweLewis llers in aoric Srrlt o. uural districts. and Guar oppee. .1 the re,•r:. 5. .; which encumber the returns. an d must delay ' the cool'o'• 4° of the circus. Ater some discussion th motion was h.!rorn. A simil f ar bill (or Ireland was a e ftetwsrds carried rbrouah sitter. gee. e- Mr. C. LEIS, in ely to a uestion of e a h. • man, said that t he 314 r t r ot March w q as tiled instead of the of June for the census, in consequenco of the r bitiou next year having boon five.' to he held May. POPULATION (IRELAND) *JILL 114, „,._ The house then went into co mmittee on Ws bill. several clauses were agreed w, and the Woe resumed. otiotr bterel. 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