The Express. — London, England, 1850-02-08 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—Tnviumtv, Fla. 7. The Lotto Csexceta.os took kis eget at 6 Vela*. PE lITION6 PRZIMINTRD. POST orrics.-37 Legd PMVERIIHAM, frets York, lived by the Lags Meyer, shaft, sad allergies, 26 anew ben e l m em s conneil, sad s large umber of this Whs. Weals, Is &soar of closing tlllll Pest-elks es Budge ; oho bees Rosie, weld, to the isms asst. AOSICULTUSAL Dentin.—By Lord FIVIRBRAM, Hess 1001 Meonble, eeeeptekoiaig of serksulturol distress ; Ital et BANDON, Ire. the tows sad seiglibeerkood et Modes, said ether plans to tle moo West. • 4 I • ECCLESIASTICAL Lord - 111151.• GRAB pee maim that to morrow (this day) N should pt • pasties to the whir marpie the Prs sidriat of the Compel, ea the subject of the smarm of • clams lithe Faclesiostierd Camisoles Bill, reaming to the appiatisrut of oue ratlines for lift to tae Mona sear MIT smd treasurer. RIGIBTILAR'3 OFFICR BANKRUPTCY BILL. 0;74; woo minim • . now lordo►ipo adjouraint at f pant 5 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—THCRSDAT, FED. 7. Tim eirzakrit took tke choir at tow o'clock. NEW MEMBER. lit. H ATC HELL (Bolicitor•Omersl for Inland), the sew 'maker for Wind sor, was ietroducvl by Sir W. Somerville, sad took the uvaal oaths. NEW WRIT. Me. TT. FNELL :Roved fora new wit for the borough of Rltheedbright. 'genet by the seeeytetice by 81r Theme Illaitlasid, of the °thee of Chief Janie, of the Coot of Sot. aloe (Scotland). PETITIONS. rapnn ♦xo Any.l7;titeawr --- btrerze.—By Mr. A. IRAS ns, oiviow. for the Abolition stilts Mattes on Paper and Adeertieintenta. _ _ Hush Moues —By Mr. COBDEN. from a meeting bald I at the Louden Tavern, calling attentive to the existence of a law on the statute bock for the papoent of head money, a law which the petitioaers regarded as likely to lead to unne. mazy sacrifice of life, as eaemplified recently in the Eastern seas, and prying for its abolinen. Cevios.—By Mr. HUME, from a gentleman of the same of John Selby, a member of the bar, and as in►abitant of the island of Ceylon, weds' forth a variety of grievances, hardships, end illegalities to which the Caadiene were subject. The petiuoaer stated that he could bear testimony, from his own obsc ration, to the illegal proceedings and SUMMON of the court mastitis recently held in Ceylon, and that he wee prepared as a lawyer to substantiate his opinion if an opportimity were afforded him. (Hear, kw.) NOTICES OF MOTION. EXTENSION 0F race l i ftil4llllll4l. HUME gave AMOS that lumbould on that day fortnight mom for inve to introduce a bill for the extension of the national represente d= to every male of ye, sad not legally Of mentally dis qualified, and having boon the occupier of a whole or part of a ►ouse fo twelve months and rated to the poor of the parish „ for introducing veto by ballot, and for shortening lbe duration of parliament/to Ares lean, and for proportion ins the number of ropresantatims to that of the represented. Raraa.. top or ta■ CIST OF LONDON. Mr. LUSHINGTON gave noting that ha should to furrow (this day) ask a question of the First Lord of the Treasury involving a point of privilege, and deeply touching niobium:sr and character of the house; ha meant to ask whether the noble lot d wee prepared to introduce any swami this ses sion for the purpose of accomplishing, and if necessary en forcing, the completion of the representation of the city of London. Mr. HORS XI A S gave notice that ha should to•merrow wir fa, a stlict eomsit•se to amines into the circumstances savading the einifootion of the late sieratary to the sods alanlesl onnmisiion. THE MALT TAX. Yr. FREWEN 0707h;d - Wat — h . tioWOO. member for North Irceitehire (Mr. Coyln) when bo intended to introduce bis bill lee the repeal of the malt tax. Ms. CATLET said that it had btu his intention to do so IS Tuesday week. but the how. member for ➢ucks had oh SAW the retrousse& eight. Considering the Wiper. tames of t►e subject, be meant again to try the ballot for es introduction on the subsequent Tuesday. WOODS AND FORESTS. • Viscount DUNei.i assq;ticd wiehth; important bill for the better asearenunt of the Woods and Forests would be intraine.d. Was it pa•tble that the Chasesher of the Ex denser would be preps red to stake his statement on the in• eratartiee of the Nasser* en Tuesday next ? Mr. HATTER replied that the bill had oely been plat gra eoneeesee of the Wane of his right hon. e: d d, wh o , if be were able on the day 'mentioned, would asks the gamiest. ELECTORAL DISTRICTS (IRELAND). Mr. TRENCH asked whether it was intended to intro duos an measure for is alterations of the electoral districts and italic's, as •rdlag to the recommendation of the bonadas y rommteei , wers. Si, t, (,E}. said that several reports bad been received la sescowsion from t►e boundary commissioners, which had bees forwarded to the poor law board, with the suggestion that they should lose no time in cocsidering the recommend ations thi y coat►ined, Considerable proposr had been made by toe cornai:wiesers, and he was expecting a state ment from then which should, as soon as he resolved it, be laid upon the table d the hens,. COUNTT COURTS (iikt.) IN IRELAND. Colonel DC NNE molted to ask whether it was the Istitu to= of her Majcity's government m introduce a bill to assi milate the law of the Irish Cesar, C•iurts to the law of Engles t ; al.o, whether they intended to introduce the fiscal withdrawn last session, or any sanitary nisteure this sorsos, r r any ball for the regulation of medical charities to Ireland. Sir W. SOMERVILLE could not undertake to ray, la reference to as Ant question, that it wu tho inten tion of tin government to introduce any sinews to assiamitt the nasty wens of Inland, to those of Ragland. POSTAL COMMUNICATION BETWEEN DUBLIN AND CORY. Col. CHATTERTON inquired of the &emery of the Treasury that sups had Leen token to promote the postal cosuavamstlua between Dublin sad Cork Mr. HATTER had not yet been able to obtain any later- maim as Ina sager. THE MINT. Mr. HI:HE wished to ask the noble lord at the hind of the Treasury whether her ►lajesty•s government were pre to bring in say measure to put en end to the irregu larities eompiesnod of by the commi.sion which had sat to 'again inn the condition of the Royal Mint. Lord J. RUSSELL said that a bill dad been prepared and would be shorly laid before the house. ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION.—Mr. HORS- Id AN'S LETTER. Mr. ROEBUCK said hould e w t ake this opportunity to pet a qui bison to the noble lord appetite (Lord .7. Russel), aad to the right hen. geatirman the Secretary of State for the Nam D• unseat. Seeing the hon. member for Cieckermoutlt (Mr. Hormuz) la hie place, he would beg_ also to s)heit hie a nation to the question. lie (Mr. Roe black) hal no doubt it was within the knowledge of the noble lord and of the right hon. treaders= that some time Mace a letter signed by Edward Sauna& had appeared in the pubic papen The mama why he wee about to put the tie. stloa was that that letter concerned the honour of the nose. and required that some explanatiom should be made. That letter charged the noble lord opposite-he 'egged the noble lord's padon-with something like a fraud upon the The charge wee not his-he faunl it in the letter. The author of that letter charged the noble I , 7rd with having /riven a promise to an Wu. member of that boast is, the fen of the house, and that he had then em ployed a• as instrument of fraud-ke (Mr. Roebuck) email trice it no other term-the right hon. gentleman at his left (Sir 0. Grey); and lest there should be any misunder standing on theAphjeet, he woull read the weeds of the hon. gentleman the member Ice Cocker's nth. The hon. gentle men, after ref-min to the estrandinary nature of the men sure :intraduced by the Secretary of State for, the Home Department, proceeded to ay But the sulorstuent proceetiMewere still more strange. Teter. ie views were sourrtit with the Naiad mad a reprwentstion mule to Lira of the intend ler ebereeter of dr till ; Wad Its objec tionable Cam* haring ham piled out. It wee vied that It could mot gene eateleeti m or he mepeed as • setlhmsee of the question, haler trammed arm a anseamee whit the waneemasedmien d the curium Lord J. lama tee& timeline the Asdibla:swot Can terbury, and rrplieel to ma by arraimmest es the following Tuesday la the bus, His words were to this tank-the baying oonferred with the archbishop, be was now resalyienept the 'lamina which had Mee sunned to hem, md Iwlnt dome .o he impeded the till to pan without further appositlem No. Lim moat be a more oat deelarsties to us that our sogge•tiont bad been adopted, and that the reminnewiticma of the torwamt•ev would now be carried out in the bill. And when the wale lord preceded to my that he should Invite the house to go late eameuttee os the MY pre /sown, la order to Istrodeme there am es& mesa. eat ...al he a few days' delay, me reedit, amerced. It was tam the delay wa wry disegentse-11 wee ha Is the media; ow, ay was sos promisor; and dartag. net Mat miss pit/, hat tb three roste.edeet erl m heibess•ameleet bat* sits ieiy en the oaf the drenemat. we b e d now the atimidaeir sam bls marines Oat SIR be Inks ma a slaps saes e fie prate Mama Midi,. elided IF-end tee the showed re mare age te be het The nee went lees commattt.' /informs me IN /di I it ram late at *M. mg the boar impehest. The . I =.oellest orem meted Ime disk. The Nome Secrete/I le Ids emssiegnasse-Mie some pa. ere after anther, Gem the diary* me bard • ward -sad sb some tiled to be t s. It woe • rase er ammo Met theorem the amemmt. meats worth the prime Wader had maned inn be latrodused trucommittee. 1 Medi me some Mee dreamt id my eye aim • varlet =DM/. Mt he shwa Ned win bat, as,: g him ur euientatiag me est or mineedmente Ar another o Wen lased. le the bralllllllll was t. The as tuned Wawa usually is. at Was hit pot t. The amendment were repurted to the Orsaltar, erl tle m he repeated; aid, thumb .me rip am mast be hat In the ripetstiop u wo le* the base whit dr aniatior that at last asia elep W hem arrayed is She Snag med il= tica utek d Para ' reform end that the day. of Co. mbar, la it. them siembirmee and krespesd the its elope, were pot- Tou may Yes teemilma hat I omen dante ti= my mane whet Ur seedelsa bliasiesuL I isold hardly soy yea Net • trigterri of tar mord tairddir s Ird been Ice. tressed ; say,* wee Indeedblo le die sear, dais w bierfts Sat bill "thaw% tbes idrid Ira er Per ritiolir - Ird ton Pond to at to Mae it were late seahrmtly with the resemsamdr tires of Yost temmlttert ee whom min it vet piennedly bweded. Where, den, were the dip of pppperr which I maw the some heal tot, as the ommiad to hie eallanno Pe a = you Minn tea the amen of that !Ma eat permit lee.e leis If to make a sinew waiwient. but Its was that the merman had sinew is pining. whole Milk et lice close eight arra ; the slungr a reassatreme or rate* • discoi dal at that Mte prated, ater d idling • veil 1411 Wed. who Minty hopeless. Vbe gesernment= su alecenes shed Its purpose of uh r=g y La r lesprossemed °Ms Oommtestes sow ne •. He did not went to sob that hos. member 'beam the UMW was randy kis Immo, he (Mr. Rostmeith had to doubt of It; bat it twataised chows elf a veep gross avian, sad what to wanted kr Mk Sem wird steps hod bees taken to midst the fours, sad the MOM that thole sharps were lam Ines Lord JOHN HUBBELL said—As the km. ph - llamas has 110•11 down so the house fee the purpose of reading a mew mashie, • personal Week upon my isharacter, I thank it "would have bees obit, sad perhaps righi to the hid that he aboold hare gins mme some nothes. (Hear.) This is the more noosseszy bemire nays never read ewe word of the yeedeetioa whisk he has Not rind. I was told that there Will an attack apes me, sloped by the hon.. saember for Cockiest/nth, sad I thought - if be had asp attack to asks that he would have IMMO leeward with it is this house— (hear, hear)—ead than I 'sold have bees ready to answer Um upon any one of the pendentive. (Chests.) I have never read the letter; I sertahtly have heard, la the sesta of soft. variation, some single portions of the statement whisk the has. member fee BheMeld has bat read. Now, sir, with se. gard to the particular allegations, though I manse say that my memory will enable me to answer as to esok partleular transoodon, but, so far as I am able, I will state aorarately what has boss my coarse arm this subiect ; and In stating that swam, I hops I shall be allowed this aredit with the banes. that in • matter Moscerning the composition of the esolesiastienl eossmission—a matter very nook affecting the state of the church, sad the welfare of that alwiteb—ot was my object to obtain the unction of this and of the other how of parliament, Isclading the distioguished prelates of that church, to an semitone's so beneficial to the church. The hon. gentleman, in the speech which he made the other night, totally omitted ass part, and I think en essential pert, in the history of this transaction. Is 1846, whoa I came tam Wks, I communicated to some prima connected with the subject and acquainted with the Ecclesiastical C..sainiesion, that I certainly, although I had sever made any public remarks upon the conduct of the ommaission, wasry ill. satisfied with its composition es being too numerous, as va Mb% ill adapted to conduct business, and therefore requiring amendment. In the beginning of the following mesion, that M to say, in April 1847, 1 Introduced a bill, which other provisions provided that there should be a chairman of an estates committee, receiving a and appointed by the crown ; that with sin others appointed by the commissioner they should tors a committee of estates, and that without his presence no business should be conducted Another part of the bill introduced, pro vided that the o ffi ces of treasurer and secretory shou ld be separated, and should no longer be held by the same person. No sooner had I introduced this bill than the Archbishop of Canterbury gave me notice the bill would be opposed, and still more strongly Dorm afterwards, that he believed it would be opposed in the House of Lords by all she members of the setcleeiss' deal sonunissies. Upon this course being takes, it appeared to me that the bill, which had not attrated mach public outwit's—which would have beast seat op late in the seldom of 1847—would not have mush chasm of passing, and that it was very desirable, that the public generally, but esp eci ally the house, should be acquainted with the compositiou of the Ecclesiastical Commission., and the mode of carrying the business. My hon. frend, the member for Mahon (Mr. Denison), had given notice that he intended to move for a select com mittee, sad I told the Archbishop of Canterbury, that, as he had taken that course, I though; the only soups was to give my meat to the proposition el the appointment of a 0. lest committee. It was aid that this was the suggestion of the Archbishop of Canterbury. So far from that being the cur, the Archbishop of Canterbury entirely disapproved of the committee. I state them facts to show that it was not from the appointment of this house generally that the pro possl to alter the composition of the eaclesiestieM commission originated, bat it originated from my views as to the work lag of the comndasioa. The commission went ea; many very able members of this house were appointed members of the committee. They took a view still more strong than that which I had taken, that it was necessary to appoint not only one, but three paid commissioners, to *mist in the heal nese of the estates committee. I come sow to the boa. gess Henan, who suisl that he was about to bring forward some question, that he appealed to ate as to the difierenos that than was between the bill I had introduced and the report of the committee, and he requested that the bill should be a tend, and certainly, after hearing his suggestioa, I com municated with the Archbishop of Canterbury, and leerat hie views on the subject. 1 1 kiwis. communicated with other members of the committee, but more especiall with my right hon. friend near me, the St cretazy of State for the Home Deputniont, and I learnt from him, as well as from others, that they did not put the same interpretation upon the recommendation of the eommitum which the hon gent. had pat. I agreed, however, that it was desirable to maks some cossiderable alterations ia the bill as I bad proposed it, and especially that several of the proposed members of the committee should be omitted from the bill. With regard to other points, I certainly did not concur with the hoe. gentleman. Ido sot remember sweetly what were the words that I used, but I could not have said then that the suggestions of the hat. gentleman had been considered, and we meant to make alterations. If I said everything he proposed was to be adopted, I did not use words implying that meanie. because I did net find that the Archbishop of Canterbury took the same views. After I had gone thus far, having furter communication with the present Archbishop if Canterbury, I found that he had very strong objections to the appointment of more than one colanussioner, to be paid out of the revenues of the church. He stated that he and the ec clesiastical conamissioaers whom he had consulted, the bishops with whom he had conversed stated that one com missioner paid out of the revenue of the *bench would be quite sufficient, and that any further payment would be depriving the church of those moans cf plating spiritual instructioa in larger parishes, which they considered was an object of the commission. I did Lot entirely agree with that view, but I certainly did propose to mike an anseadment in the bill, which should, to a certain degree, consult the opinions of the Archbishop of Canterbury, and s cable us to paws the bill thro .gh the other house of parliament. In as doing, if I may be allowed to state it, my motive was a doable one. First, it we/ that I should be enabled to make what I considered a very groat improvement which, sines 1848 and 1847, I had contemplated in the construction of the commission, by which there was an estates committee having upon it a person responsible for the tisanes' of the committee. In the second place, I thought that unless I carried with me, to a certain extent, the consent of the pre late at the bead of the church, the ecclesiastical commission bring kept up, and the estates committee being affirmed by a majority in the lionssof Lords,towhich they had assented, there never would be any harmony between the two bodies, and the successful working of the committee wisuld be greatly impeded. With these views, I framed, after many consultations with my right hon. [need, some of the amendments. They were done in the same way in which amendments pro fermi are always iatroduced. The classes end the al. terations are putin at once. The chairman does not put them as a separate question, but the bill is printed for the informs- tion of the house. Exactl the same curse was taken with regard to this bill. It Is very likely that I ought to have explained to the hon. member more in detail, after the various communications that I have had, how far I varied from the suggestions which had been made, and how far the bill was to be altered in accordance with these sagginiuons ; but as the bill was to be printed, us it was to be brought under the consideration of the houses, that did not appear to be necessary. The exprevions in the letter show bitter hostility on his part, but ft appear to ma to result from an inflated vanity, which seems to con sider that nothing is to be done without he knows of it. (Hear, hear.) With respect, therefore, to the charge of fraud, lam not going to resent it. I am not going to fall Into • passion on the subject. I can only say that I entirely despise any such charge, and that I need not refer to any detailed proof that I cos propose to the house as to what took place day by day, and what I proposed day by day. I might refer to having been for many years a member of this house, that I should be unworthy of the vanities which I hold—(hear, hoar)--if I Wan capable, but 'should not be capable, of a disgraceful fraud—(hear, hear) —kg the purpose of deceiving the hon. gentleman about the eons position of the ecclesiastical commission. I certainly was very desirous that, in a matter of such importance, in which I thought reform should be made, the heads of the church, and especially ere, for whom as • man, independently of his ' high position, I have the highest respect, I mesa the pre sent Archbishop et Canterbury, sho u ld b e satis fi ed, anxious as Le is for reform, and anxious as he is for the spiritual welfare of the people, and that I should in some degree conciliate his support and his goodwill towards us all. These, then, have been the natives upon which I have acted. Ido not know that I can give any fur ther explanation to the house. I do not think that it is secemary for me to regent any further the charge which has been made. (Hear, hear.) Perhaps the hon. gentleman might, u I said at the beginning, have giien se amiss; bat, upon the whole, I am very well satisfied with what has liken place. (Haar, hear.) Sir G. GREY said that be had read a few weeks ago the letter Mood by the hoe. member tor Cpckernsouth. He noticed the letter the other night, although he believed that it was beneath notice. He did so under the apprehension that the bon. gentleman might, in the count- of 11 =otitis, write another letter to hie constituents, in which he we:mid taunt him with having a knowledge of the contents of the letter, and that he had shrunk from its notice on the House of Commoss, when he had alluded to the subject. The charge was brought in January last, in reference to transactions which to.l place in the lows' of the last session of parlia ment, sia weeks before its termination. During all this time the bon gentleman might have brought turward the charge which he had treasured up fur his constituents, and When the chirp we- made he might have asswered it. He usteguivoisally denied the imputatiuu which the hoe. gentleman had thought fit to cast upon him. In all the communications he had had with regard to the bill, he never adverted to the suggestions which he received from the hon. member for Cocktratouth. He had stated that it was his intention to commit the bill pro forma, and he did It in the usual way in which every member does it; he did not band in the amendments on slips of paper, but the bill, as amended, we. pat into the hands of the Madman. Tee Attorney Gnome' had taken the chair in the absence of the chairman of eemmitten, and be proposed the bill ea amended. Nothing was said 'phial receiving the bill in its SW wiled shape. It was committed on the 14th June, and ea the 20th July was reposed. The first intimation of the charge of fraud we. not made till Dicembcr, 1649, or not until January. Mr HORSMAN claimed ersdit fur buldnesa in bringing forward a charge which It so difilcult to substantiate. That charge be now reiterated, avowed, and we. prepared to prove, although he mood there uasupported by any party. Lord J. RUSSELL—The bon. gentlrman bas said now, and be said the other night, that be made a charge and re iterated it. He does not state wtat the charge is. Re refers tea letter to hie constituents, and soya he reiterates h. Went I think be should do, if he wiehm to preys • 'barge M . ageless the right hem and myself, le to seem down mig ruse Ms aad peeleeti re. t e ts, f% .4 z, hioV:t i g: T a i. Oahe erat ef M. ' fpasb) The *Uwe wens then pekeseded with. IXEMPTION or saw &P 01181181 Wl O Llii" - - 1104 Waal° . • Mal. zra... ...11•111.5 for leave 8. *lag ,in • lin to tempt Mew a este& vehm, se ra heal taxation. There was ne mideeir more generanthilaittad by the pabliamMeletat ihmalhee the amilieltra of the boo , mate of the rignit 4 Oh many wee not what it ought te be, aad.obehe 4 easenif ought to be tabs ley the govern, meat sad the legalsemine larva their elerntiMA Ivor one who - ponied the 'irelat reports preetated to pugs- meet woad ,IS them paints. There was • nett ileitimiti t in the' sonar sad home aeeeaemedalien If t • poorer °lama giving rite a the pawl physical sufftriag, it win also • mune or great igniesalhatien end injury to their character. Draining we met demo madene ; the overcrowding of the dwellings of the peer mat the mat s evil. The high daty on timber and bricks Mae MOW evil, and anasher rewriters was gie .shyer temditioa of the law of settlemeat. It we undleikeble that the effect of the law 4 pareehlal amtlemest operated a an Wee/meat to prevent the residents of the peer vpoa the land. It might he thought that ander the present ryotem the bosses of the peer were is the great majority el Mottoes. relieved from the rate. To mortal& in bow far that Immo sits mined with the feats be bad °Waited • retina from fear to Laserater, as beim, • aseaufactariaa toasty, 01••••••0 as partly amen'asturiag and partly errs. oulioral, and floats and Suffolk as purely seri valuta tenatles. Prom them he would read, with W permiesion of the Moues, the following summary of fasts. He found, that la Lencsattire, oat of 840.000 houses nearly 60,000 were wand from the rates. The whole amcmat of property in value was sixoad-a-balf millions, of width 47 was excused. So that the homes stewed wen 2-16 the la amber, and I.lBth ia value. Is Gieneemsa oat of 67,000 bosses, 14,876 wens sneered, tad of value ill the amount of 1,800,0001. about 36,0001. was excused, being about 1.20 th Ia valise. In Suffolk sad Heats, which gays nearly uniform results, the secant of value (ot houses) teemed wee Suffolk, 1-28th, Hants, 1.20 th. Them exmonis toot place under the 64 Geo. 111., a 170, width eapowueed megistrame, overseers and churchwardens to —apt the mailer occupiers trot; the rate on the ground 4 pevertp. But that mod* of exemption we oft** a matter 4 elt deliosey and intricacy ; sometimes favouritism' crept In, - and sometimes ioinstioe was unwittingly dose is the seleaden. The main objection however which he had to that sett ems that it pauperised all who applied for exemption, a every one applyiog was obliged to plead poverty before leo could be excused. The overseer wee obliged to lava& the privacy 4 the poor acs's house Ted ielt i di f it did not primate every appeoreaco of distress theirs was so exemption. Here was • direct discouragement to elea4l - neatness, and provideses in the poor man. His pro per! was to give satire sad ustiondltiosal ereaptioa in the following our. He proposed to scampi in the rural districts, end la towns of Rader 10,000 inhabitants, homes of the meal vale, of set exaseding 61. Over 10,000, sad up to 60,000 iakabitaate 71, and a all tures of a greater samba of inhabitants ha would Woad the ezemrtion to bosom of 104 la annual value. He might here mention roe instance of tho failure of the plan of rating maws. A local act bad been obtained for Liverpool levying the ram en tho owners of email tea eats, but the effect was • frightful Wafts, of pauperism, arising from the attempts of the owners to strew the rati • out of their tenants, %mil at last the inhabitant., alarmed at tie state of things, called a public meeting, and actually went to the expense of repealing their own act and re-establishing matters on their old tooting. He did not think that the change be proposed would have the effect of pauperising the people, but that, on the contrary, it would elevate them in the social scale. TIN proper way of 'fleeting that object wee, in his opinion, to educate the people, and to maks their homes more comfortable and mote assfonaable with the dictates of morality and cleanlinam thaa they were at present. Mr. FAOAN seconded the motion, which having been put by the Speaker, Mr. A. STAFFORD believed there wee no dispo sition, nor would it be wise on the part df the house to Rees the amount of property on which the relief of the poor and other local burdens must fall. (Hear, hear.) He also ols• jected that the effect of the all would not be to relieve the occupier, but to put No much la addition in the shape of rent into the _ pockets of the owners of this description of pro perty. (Hear, beer.) Sir O. GREY should not have opposed the introduction of the bill atter the conversation be bad had with his boa. friend is the subject; brt as the whole principle of the semen bad been gone into, he concurred with the hon. member opposite, that the hemp was in a position to decide at once, and if a division wee taken, he should vote arainst the motion. Haviag reed with much attention all that his hoe. hiend had written, as well as all that he had said, on this subject, he was convinced that the adoption of his pro. position would have a directly contrary ter deny to that he proposed, and lead to the erection of a number of inferior low clamed houses—(bear, hear)—unlese the rate of exemp tion was Elated so high as to include a very large proportion of the bowie property of the country. His hon. friend stated that in some pariettes the owners of cottage property already tarried the principle of exemption to a large extent. This was a proof that the owners of such property had an interest in exempting those houses from the rates, in order to put the money into their own pocket'. Mr. MAXEY gave credit to the bon. gentleman (Mr. Scrope) for his humane and benevolent iirentiots, but believed that instead of improving the condition of the poor, and advencieg their interne, his plan would tend rather to depreciate their condition. To peas this bill would, in his oploior, be to offer a bonus for 'tie worst class of but..., and to atop that progreie in improving the dwellings of the poor which was now in operation. Mr. P. BCROPE observed that he bad not intended to raise au y argument at this stage of the measure, nor was he aware that he had said more than was necessary as a 'unifi cation for its introduction; if, h , it was the 'pleasure of the house to rsject the measure at once, he must submit, though he had not anticipated such an opposition. Mr. HUMS could Mate from information he possessed that there were individuals possessing property of this kind to a hies extant who made a point of getting their cottages exempted from the rate and hying the amount on the rent, Anything in the way of essoption had only led to abuse. (Hear.) He believed there was a general desire to im,,rove ins physical condition of the poor—(hear)—and he knew of many who would gladly erect comfortable and wholesonsepot cages for their occupation, if they could be made to return, be would not say five or four, but eves two per cent. fdr. BROTRERTON was also of opinion that this bill would inflict great injustice. In &Thud, there were more than 10,000 houses, 9,000 of which were under 101. a year to exempt these isms toe rates would be molt unjust to the rest of the inhabitants. (Hear, hear.) Mr. P. SCROPE, seeing the feeling of the house, would not go to a divmon but begged to withdraw hie motion. The motion was imordingly, by leave, withdrawn. THE EXPRM3B, FRIDAY EVENINQ,, FEBRUARY 8, 1850. AFFAIRS OF EUROPE -HUNGARY AND __— TURKEY. Lord D. STUART then rose, pursuant to notice, to move " that an address be resented to her Majesty for copies or extracts of any conespendence betweea the British govern. went and the embassies at Constantinople, St. Petersburg, and Vienna, respecting the demands of Russia and Austria for the exuadition of Polish, Hungarian, and Italian refugees; of any correspondence between the government of thi s country and Use governments of Turkey, Ramis, and Austria, on the same subject; of any correspondence between tire government of this country an d the embassies at Vienna and S t. Petervtug, respecting the late Hungarian war ; of any correspondeace between the government of this country and the governments of Austria mei Russia, on the same subject; copies of any propel addressed by the late national government of Hungary to the government of Great Britain, respecting the admission of British manufactures and produce into Harriet, ; also, copies or.extreets of say correspondence between tne government of this country and the ambessadors rat Constantinople and St. Petersburg, and the consuls at Bucharest and Jassy, respecting the occupation of the prin cipalities of the Danube by Russian troops; of any corn. spondence between the govetnasent of this country and the governments of Turkey and Russia, on the same subject; sad copy of the circular of Count Nodelrode, dated the 19th to the 31st day of July, 1848, addressed to the repre-eatativee of the Russian government at the different courts of Europe." He believed he consulted the convenience of the house by seising the earliest opportunity for bringing forward this souject, rather than by deferring it to a later period of the session, when they would be too fully engaged with other business to be inclined to devote their time to matters of foreign policy. His object was to obtain information on subjects whirs had excited the attention and the !newest deals* of interest is this country and throughout Europe. Toe house was aware that during the last year a war had been regiat in Rams, which had excited is the minds of the people of this country perhaps more interest than any other war had dons, in which we ourselves had not been actually engaged as principals—and no wonder, for that war was carted on by a despotic government, fee the purpose of putting down a free people, and depriving them of a free constitution, very similar to our own, and which they had enjoyed as long as we had enjoyed ours. (lieu, beer.) The kingdom of Hungary had never been conquered— it had always remained independent de furs and de flick, until it was put down laid summer by tie power and treachery cf Russia. In 1948, certain reforms were introduced in the constitution of Ilutiguy, and laws passed the diet for carrying them into effect. These passed born chambers and received the royal assent, seine of them Mira rather d eclaratory thse new—such as the one which enacted that the ministry of Hungary should be resnontible to the diet. There were other laws whereby civil and poli tical equality was established, without distinction of lan wage or creed. The privilege of exemption from direct taxstion, heretofore enjoyed by the nobles, was taken away, and participation in public imposts was extended to all Hun garians. The labour rent also was not only done away with, but the lands held by that tenure were given up to the pea sants, woo held them se their property, compensation being guaranteed to the landlords, and the suffrage, formerly ma nned to the nobility, was extended in counties to all persons possessed of real or personal property to the value of 30.. • year, sad ia towns to all persons holding property of 101. per annum, and to the holders of diplomas and workmen. These reforms, regularly voted by the Home of Commode, were seat up to the House of Lords, and passed ; and they re ceived the royal assent from the sovareiga on the 11th of April, 1848. But, though the Hungarians were carrying out these memento of reform, and were Amnia( strictly according to the spirit and letter of their constitution, that did not protect them 11 . 001 dr, illegal, and uneonwitutional, and violent acts of . he Empseor of Austria. Croatia had been united to Hungary ter eight centories by a moat intimate Intim. Bat MO apneas mess between the two eatatrito etieliSalaPt their bhaneensines et • a um; Dist is *Ouse et • Mimi Bea the Lennie Os parliesenpipsy Asialseer the Wiest . mp , r:esi o T o ke tease el TiMusk peke le es these . It spatial i of Creask4 whose appgataslSS, sot bring seerd by eny odsistet. was wandered Ward. Neverthelas. Bernerstromenbeas he sendliatiessolli use elsjset to resoles We, end lb" laded his to eilesmankats with their Wafts& No replied by f e ti o riz i tt a Crest magistrasse te held as senuessi ygllh•— i 7 "'martial law aghast ems wk slitenhl la jxactLles. The WWI *pea his At. this sad a esasibelenes eresered to Massa Whelp* ;ri . 4 as the wry inerities That aininiseloan was ibises away by fora , sad litssforogeriaa Wahiawa dellend sable% but sus usurpillsit. • Tbi - esandes et c latary were food et reps sating Lama es • repaler, y beans* they thought that assists& the nest eis s use in this ontatry that could be unelbed to him. (A laugh.) But there woo ma truth in the etstement. Kossuth wished to have separate ballades' be • eenatry which bed sever bees naiad to Austria; sad there was • powerful party is Croatia who published • pretest, sad declared their desire to remain gaited to Husgary. The tab ieltablting the meth bulks of Danube benne ilinalleted, sad alt hough they had only vitals a few pmm .siad la the country in ant anobas, they mow elemamded a sspeatia gevernesent, sad the horrors they seandited esepeseek probably marling that bad been heaven is history, Be bold is hie haad • book written by a Bowden bey. who was is that assay, at the time, and who was new in inglana—• bask which gave a most interesting oedemas allure tronneetions sad was about to be published. Be had ban lambed with a sight sad loan of at previous to its publication, sad he would reed a short piUN4II luivisg rsterence to the stroei.ies committed by the Aus tri an it Overantatt at that time. The hon. pen demon here read the tollowing pump from Madame , Pulesky's new week ; 1 The eed earegrenes of Ws dot mandested are l tlasorease m wawa bet rewbete eeseaas in de do do = dada et Ladd% The dell eilserdithsee pude wee swilled? senearid *madly Ihesdal Wolleshe. arse In twat Is this oats d Map, dna I.WO he set real d Iheir aseadp somalad. They WM ge all odd s kaa the WOW Nthelwal,diadpwmssewdmM by ad drama ddiesa All Ansi la iist er i porpsee dead te- Sa de d Sad. at smog am Ida. te be shallead km as all erldt " ant wed, to wary 4:09 who dawn* not to bo W sod die wore aa. sear ad • pereare Wit. It wee yet at sone disbars tad &Li nea when the dims we wreraWl try • rest tram of armed Wham hot sopa asee who pretaded to be acting N she near el the r ely, a • neoadeden woe entered epee. Its melt via that the onipaate agreed N deliver op that swords and mitele. soda essellaut that they Amid met be prevented tuna =yreetedlog be Nadi. before the dleinahig wee completed the hd ado ea. eased asdrase awe alba with th e and they welted for diva as illme ft* javesay. sight the Wallahs ant a reatempar le the w eeder, who wee ea Amnion aim, at Zeta tem be hiquire what they Mould do " with their pitmen." The =made returned with the lamb reply, " Put the wretches to death.. 4Nsn the pormaglery mow or murder arrived, ths riotous people Welt was theaderstrusk sod tar • keg while se one attempted to break the plate* at a tres Ink parties hanietted kw tome instants to take say iS at NM the disarmed set theneelves la enotiom slowly the premiss adamnd Until far elmatmatanos, which has mew Ism peels* amertnised, was ameldsesd by the Wellaelts a Mad leateask. Now followed a barstfylm mum fl oraE rt of Om dineruisd were cudgelled to ildr is pima with ustatats- Eicts. howl ea tram wee vkl; ; ethers throws lab pits ewe bolsi wa ft read dews ups theft wows awl ElliilMl IFIMI tmalieaf awl madam' Ethanol dread ed rem Theteasiber treed bleu a diemen, A da impector ot ialatuya, sewn= hen, his train pews up yskters, not nein. T ui riellility et amain Oak drimital dn w out his doable p whisk mwe diereedel this hie_ emnpardier, be bed retained, dist down left hie Pee eiregblies. leaded agelh - shet his wife, Md. Wily, kited limaelL Ted hafts al the smitemeet, in white he mileeed Ws mend deed, remiered his heed useettale, kis mutilated wiissuniesil thishmethlemthenienhe,and !timed h. Ofl,llo persons about IN remilmedwommiedeemegst the Wise of their com rades. of tireemewieers. thine Maria, meet of thsmwenwn, one, the wift et thisiede kenteseedem weumftohamted these selves beam the of the rte= of Oyulateheredr (Serlsburgbi. Bet the and. Aim whisk was aceinpsed by Austrian teems, &Ma Ifsexhasieledi . with blows tram the gates, where. stioe kWh. been Named millesso , they had sunk power less le the peamL ?nese hereon never wen naiad by the atistritas, and when NM mouth Mar, Pothser was bienniums Transylvania by omelet but, sal theitylos ibmgarien essememery, sentenced several of the lanagsasesendperpstratere of the abovisementiuned blood-Ind to be the ssermpeadlems of 1.1 Allan= party lilted the papers of t b 0=1110112&11111 with decimations us Hatimarian terror-ions. The ben. gentleman pea:owed to say that, while a depu. taLos sent by the Diet was at Vienna, the King sent a letter, dated the 31st of August, which stated that the law of 1838, by which a responsible ministry bad been granted to Hungary, was contrary and detrimental to the interest of Hungary and Austria; and then it was an nounced that the King was determined to aggravate the laws and subject every one in Hungary to the central power of Vienna. Here was the cause of quarrel. Austria wrs determined that all the laws based upon the constitt.tion should not be carried into effect ; Hstogary was determined to rave these laws acted upon. It was exactly the same sort of quart el which we had had in this country, and which led to civil war. In both countries the King was determined tortee by prerogative, end in both countries the people were deter mined to be governed only by the parliament. It could not to said that the emperor was coerced by the Hungarians, for he came of the own free will to Freeburg, acd granted his use nt. The pretence that the rearrest carried by the diet was contrary to the pragmatic sanction, was just as if King William the Fourth, after having given the royal went to the Reform Bill, should have tried to set amide that aot, on the plea that it was contrary to the law of settlement. (Hear.) Jellachich, formally deprived ot power, was, nevertheless, allowed to hold it. Then toe Hungarian ministry resigned. The diet decided that t co laws which had been in vain presented should be put in forces provisionally, and meanwhile Jellachieh crowed the Danube at three different points, ith regular Croat troops, aided hy Austrian regiments. The Hungarians, in the ab sence of any regulated ministry, and in consequent confu non, were nadirs to oppose any considerable force; and the consequence was, that the Croats advanced into the heart of the countre, pillaging and plundering as they went. The . diet then offered the command of the army to the archduke in his capacity of captain-general; he accepted it, and joined the army, but after having endeavoured in vain to effect ar rangements between the o,poeing forces, he left the camp and returned through Path to Vienna, where he teadered his re. eignatitio, which was not accepted. Oa the 25th of September a royal ordinance, which had not been countersigned, placed as the Hungariaa troops under Count Lemherg ; but the Diet d dared the appoin meat of the Count illegal, and re qutred the counter signature. Lemberg braved the decree, and was proceeding towards the citadel to take the command when he was met on the bridge 01 boats by a crowd, dragged from the carriage in which he was seated, and murd. red A great handle had been made against the Hungarians in consegoence of this event, and most deplorable it was. But acts of this nature perpetrated by mobs were not the acts by which a country could be ,airly judged, and they affixed no stain to any nation, unless indeed it appeared that that na tion had manifested an utter indifference to the crime. (Hear, hear.) The Hungarian Diet, however, had passed a resolution expressive of horror at what nee occurred, and they directed meisures to be taken to bring the criminals to judos. The friends of the Ans. trims gevernmeat bad taken pains t, circulate slanderous reports respecting Count Bettbyany, and after a succession of singular events the Count was murdered. The Hungarians had hesitated to advance against Vienna, but at last they did advance, when it was too late, and they fought a battle, the only one they waged on sell which was not Hungarian. General Beni, who took the command in December ot 8,000 men, appeared by the middle of March in the province of Transylvania, and forced the Russians to fly into the Turkish territory with great lose The Hungarians then rallied, and having beaten Windisehgrats and many others, drove them to the frontier of their country. In time the Camarilla adopted certain 'measures of importance. The Em peror Ferdinand was induced or forced to abandon his course, and his brother's son, the Emperor Francis Josech, a youth of 18, ascended the throne of Austria. Oa the 4th March a new constitution was published to abolish all the laws, customs, and institutions of all the nations sought to be placed under the Austrian government, without regard to whe ther they were useful or whether there was anything iu them to recommend them or not. A vicious form of goy, resent was introduced, the object of which was to throw all the power into the hands of the democracy at Vienne. If the Hungarians bad been the frantic revolutionist. their enemas wished to represent them, they might have been content with this constitution ; but they. like us, being attached to an ancient constitution which they had enjoyed for centuries—they, like us, being anxious to adapt their constitution to the times in which they lived, and to make it of practical utility—being anxious to advance lately and gradually, and being reformers and not revolution ists, could not be content with such a constitution as that ; and, above all, they, like us, could not accept a constitution, which, not agreed to by all the different orders of the state, was only granted m a favour by the Austrians, and, being so granted, might the next day be withdrawn. When the diet saw their legitimate sovereign deposed, they adopted the precedent set them by the Lords and Commons of England, and declared the throne vacant, sad that the line of Hapsburg should be for ever excluded. The tendency of the Huneari. n people had been always monarchical. The " Governor President," which was the title given to Kossuth, was one known to the constitutional history .of Hungary ; acid the Hungarians would be very willing to receive any prince as their king who In his turn would have been willing to give them guarantees that be would adhere to the spirit of their consti tution. In fact the Hungarians had all but succeeded in their wishes until the Russians were called in ; , but not all the dower of the Hungariaa generals, assisted by the intrepid dariag of Hem gad the ardent courage of our own countryman, Guyon, cold prevail against the number of the Russians aided by the broken fortes of Austria. The influence of this intervention would be mast pernicious. The constitution of Hungary was no modern experiment. Her example would have extended to other countries. Free trade would have been established, the Austrian tariff would have been dune away with, and a large market opened to Ragland, all of which facts would be made manila if one of the papers he moved for were laid on the table, as be 'kapott It would he. B-sides this, Hungery was an elitism herder ageism Russia on the side of Turkey ; bat such was the barter which the conduct of the Austrians bad inspired the Hangarians that they would now much prefer the rah of Prussia. The interfe rence of Russia had been • flagrant violation of the law of nations. He had also semi papers to move for with regard to the Danubian principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia, with which countries Russia had interfered two yams ago on some flimsy priteues. She had no right whatever to do so ; It was against the law of Deaths—a violation of the independence of Turkey. But the object with which it was undertaken wee obtained. Re forms had been entered upon by the people of other c hn tries which Russia had determined to put down, Those rename were put an end to. The country was restored to its • _ fens state. She awn prevailed, unhappily, upon the • srmeat a alga soma kind of mit sailed she con -11111 Limas. by whin it wee stipulated that should ban only 40.000 trams In those .tosid=se ' wham Turkey had an equal amber. obtained thin did not adhere to her own olswalles, =wee dead ow the la of histlloy. She had ea • large seen la IS* atonality. He thought that s ashjest maim ligation own MA be pressed upon tits amain of his Doha Mead. He was well aware that it had as, whoa first he beaten it _forward. rivetted daallatin of the salary, and Is thought that vas a riallININ pickup., why his anis Mead did not employ more imaged@ senores at the Has than he did. Bat the •isatry woo sow tamed ors rinitia. It was deter mined to manna the ' c ol the Ottawa empire. Every goversommt Is eMesiM imd desisted that, as well the government of the Doles a Wellington, that of the right hat. smoother he Totowa* as that of his noble Mad, and oven tho lea protoitiosist government, whose advent they had bees to aspect, would, he presumed, follow thews. course • for on a former constion the bon. member for Bacicingbainstilre had in strong and, he must say, in wry eloquent taus, retarded his conviction that it is this Interest of this country and of Imps to follow that course. Now, in arg uin g this matter, he would not be apposed to b ean advocate of war. He believed that in the prosiest anemia was was altogether asaiteessay. A . pat deal had bees maid about Russopbobia, and he was consedered to be affected with that malady. He woad tell them how tar he was a Ressophobist. He was quite °maimed that when this country spoke in preset to Russia, and told her that she wenn not have certain thief's done, that the vase of this anintry would be obeyed, and that she would have no occasion to mike it heard by the roar of smarm. He knew that it was a perfect faros to tack of Russia misting the power of this country for a Biagio day. At the mss time, he wee se tar infested with Russophobla, that ha was not disposed to take such a course as weld tun that weakness into an overpowering might. lie was not deposed to allow Russia to ream the most tends portioa of the globe, nor the second station ; because, 1 if that were dose, she would no longer be weak—she would as longer be obliged to come into such measures as this onto. try should state ' bat she will have made a great stretch ' Mara usivereal empire. She would threaten our Indian ' empire and our 00111laeree, acd then fora us into a war, of which there was now no danger, nor was there any occasion for it. The house had a right to know what had been done in this matter, that they might exercise that supervision over the Ws of the government which the node lord on • former occasion said it was its right and duty to do His noble friend would do right by the country in so doing, and give him leave to say it was exceedingly desirable for his own character as a minister, and in order that he might stand right with the people of this country, and continue to have that good opinion whin, he was happy to say, he had for a loop period enjoyed. It was necessary tee this purpose that he should furnish the house with all the information. And he the more earnestly called upon the noble lord to do this, because he had on former occasions been exceedingly ener getic in pressing the government to give information, an. not only that, but he had made it a boast that the govern. meat to which he belonged has more than any other fur nished informaticn when it was required by the majority of this house. Lord PALMERSTON said his hon. friend had travelled over so wide a field that he was persuaded the house d d not expect that he should follow him through all those earl oars and important transactions to which his 'leech had re. laud. He would assure hie hon. friend that is was the wish of her Majesty's government to give all the inform., don concerning those transactions which it might be consist ent with the public interest and with those courtesies which were due between government and government to afford. But the motion with which he bad concluded em• braced so large a mw of correspondence, comprising not only all the confidential communications between her Ma jetty's government and our ambassadors and ministers abroad, but also communications between other govern. meets, and which knowledge might have been given to the government of her Majesty, that he trusted his hon. friends would not thick that he was asking too much of their forbearance if he entreated them not to press the motion in the words in which his hon. friend had put it, bet to allow him to select out of the great mess of papers suck documents as might explain to the house the course which the govern ment bad pursued, withoot giving details which would be inconvenient to the public service, and injurious to the confidential relations between her Majesty's govornent tit and her ministers abroad, and between those ministers and the ministers of ether governments. With regned to the war in Hungary, he had an opportunity last seseLn of stating the view whicn he entertained of that great question. He could only say that those feelings and epinioos, which he knew were entertained by the great masa of the people of this country, were opinions and feelings which had done great credit to the country—(cheers) and which he trured—he could almost say no Englishman—but he trusted that very few Englishmen would be disposed to dater from in any respect whatever. At the same time he was sure the house would feel, that in a matter in which England had no direct filen' to interfere, that the functions or the British government in regard to the direc• tion of erects must necessarily be extremely limited; and, therefore, that however strong the interest that the storm. meet of England, representing the public opisim of this country, might hike in these event., toe house would naturally suppose that the interference of the government must necessarily have been restricted within limits for more narrow than those which their wishes could extend to. (Hear, hear.) With regard to the principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia, his hon. friend and himself hail discussed that question before. Toe house was aware that Russia stood, with regard to those principalities, upon& foot ing different from that which the government of one country stood with respect to the provinces belonging to another. There was concluded in the course of last year the arrangements, it was not a treaty, it was an exchange of notes, something in the shape of a protocol at Balta-L , man, by which the two governments engaged that the forces of Ramis and Turkey in those provinces should after a certain period be reduced to the amount of 10,000 men. Hie bon. friend was correct in stating that the Turkisi govern ment had carried that into effect. The Russian govern went had riot yet done so. He stated a few evenings ago that he believed, and it was his conviction, that the Russian government was about to carry that convention into I effect. His hon. friend did not partake of his oonviction. He could only my that information which they had received very lately induced him to think that the Turkish ambassa dor at B'. Petersburgh had received assurances to that effect, and that the amount of the Russian forces in those princi palities would speedily be reduced to 10,00) men. He could seam his hon. friend that he did not in any degree under rate the severe pressure which that large number of troops must be on the inhabitant.. It was perfectly evident that tne obligation under which they bad laid of providing for so large a body of troops must have imposed upon them sacrifices to a painful extent. With regard to the more important transaction, roonected with the demand for the refugees—that which took place between the govern. ments of England and France on the one hand, and the governments of Russia and Turkey en the other—it was generally so well known that little remained for him to say upon it which was not already well known to the public at large. He should be perfectly ready to give such papers as would show the mane they pursued on that occasion. It was well known that after the terminstien of the war in Hungary a considerable number 01 per ors--Hungarians, Pules, and some Italians—took refuge in Turkey. A de mand was made by the governments of Russia and of Austria for the surrender of those refugees, of such a num ber at least as were Austrian subjects or Russian. That demand was founded fatten the treaty of Kanagee in regard to Russia, and of the treaty of Belgrade in regard to Austria. The Sultan feeling that the obligations of hospitality, which were considered more paramount in the east than in any other part of the world, were compul gory on bias, and looking to the treaty of Renege*, and seeing that he Ind an alternative, declined to comply with the demand of surrender, but stated that be was ready to fulfil the other engagement in the treaty by expelling the Pules. With regard to the demand of Austria, it certainly did oot appear that in the treaty of Belgrade there was any condition which required the Sultan to sur render Austrian subjects; and with regard to the Aurrian demand, therefore, he was still more at liberty to refuse that. Then, with regard to Russia, the manner in which these demands were made by the organs of the Russian and Austrian governments cached alarm in the government of Turkey es to the consequences which might follow from a refusal to comply with this de mand, even though the government of Turkey found that they were r ot liable to c mply with that demand. In that state of things the Turkish government turoeci its eye to those friendly powers to whom it might look for support. An appeal was made to the government of England, and also to the government of From, to give frieadly support in the cireumetanees in which Turkey was placed. Her Ma. jetty's gt veroment acting, as he th‘eight they did, in strict unison with the universal feeling of the country, as was manifested on that occasion (hear, hear), de termined to give certain support which the Sultan of Turkey had asked; and friendly representations wt re made to the governments of Austria and of Rose a ; explorations followed, upon which it appeared to her Majesty's go vernment, that the Sultan was not bound to comply with the demands which had been made. Now it was but due to the Russian government to state that the Sultan having sent a special ambassador to Petersburg, for the purpose of re questing the Emperor to desist from the demand which he had made, and to accept the other alternative of the treaty ; it was but just to the Russian government to state that the day before these friendly representations reached Petersburg, the Russian government had mode a communication to the Turkish ambassador, stating that they would no longer insist upon the demands, end that they would be content to accept the alternative offered. There follows d upon that a long negotiation with regard to de tailed conditions, which were proposed on the one aide and objected to, in a certain degree, on the other. Those nego tiations ended at last in an arrangement between the Turk'. It government and the government of Russia, by which the Turkish goverement agreed tot xpel, es by treaty it was bound to do, the Polish refugees from the Turkis h territory, and with regard to Austria, to remove the Hun garians—not to place them In prison. Lord DUDLEY STUART—To detain them. Lord PALMERSTON—To remove them to a distance from the Austrian frontiers, and to detain them there under that description of things for which there was no English word to express it, but what was called astressilince Diplo matic relations between Russia and Turkey had been re established. Between Austria and Turkey they had ro: been actually re-established, but by tee last advises there was every reason to believe that they would be so in • few days. He hoped his noble friend would consent to accept the offer he had made, to submit to the house such portions of tae papers he had moved for as could be laid upon the table without injury to the public genies ; and he hoped the house would believe , him when he stated that then were substantial reasons why it was not in his power to mo bm de to the mottos in the form in which his noble Mend had submitted it. (Hear, hear.) Mr. C. ANSTRY had not changed his opinion as to this cowardice and cruelty of Regan, or the MI aft nammity of th e Porte. He saw no reason why all the parses should not be produced. It was fit that the country should have some as. serene, that the language of its ministers had been worthy of the occasion. Lord D. STUART, in accepting the preposition of Lord Palmerston, hoped that the papers would be sufficiently ma t . plate. He alluded especially to the stones of aasate.nation Gad stated, upon the authority of Koesuth himself, that a warning had been transmitted to him from the Turkish go veramat that plots were laid against his lib, from which they were unable to protest Lord C. HAMILTON expressed his Indignation that a member of that hones should, casually, as it were, and by a sidenind, accuse the Austrian ministers of plotting ea- Mr. COCKBURN said he hoped his noble friend would not press his snotlien but would rest satis fi ed with th e as surance of the noble lord (Palmerston), that he would pr o _ den such palms as would throw a sufficient light on the coarse of policy punned in these matters. Otherwise it would seem to him that his noble friend would imply a doubt of the perfect propriety of the course of conduct adopted by her Majesty's government. lie thought the explanations given by the noble lord, the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, .m the present occasion, and On a farmer occasion, when he made • speeeh that gave great satisfaction in the country, should be a sufficient guarantee that the enures pursued by her Majesty's government, and by the noble lord, towards Austria and Russia, In the pre sent instance, was such as became the honour, the dignity, and the interests of Unit country, And therefore he thought his noble f r i en d ought to be satisfied with such papists as might be produced by the noble lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs. (Hear, tsar.) . He held in his hand a publication by Austria herself—an official document of the number of executions since the termination of the struggle, and he had no hesitation In calling it on e o f th e foulest and bloodiest death rolls that he ever cut his eyes upon. (Hear, hear.) Alter Hungary had fallen—not by the power of Austria—(near, hear)—but after she had fallen by the intervention of Russia, a forei gn invasion and domestic treason. (Hear, hear.) When Austria had succeeded by these means, and when, if at all times the victorious party should show forbearance, there never was a time when foruiveness and forbearance were more appmpriate and necessary, Austria cut r. d upon those bloody and atrocious executions which were a diegr,ce to humanity, at halt in modera times. (Cheers.) lie can. freed he felt the greatest surprise at hearing any person de fending and advocating Austria in those abominable pro ceedings. (Hear.) Ile would read a list of those ex. etvions, and the house would, he was sure, feel horrorstruck at the noble and illustrious blood shed on this occasion : EXECUTIONS AND PUNIstIMENTS. I. Oreacm. . - - I. Mr. Ream Lutheran clergyman at Pre.Murg. kneed In June. 2. Mr. Menne*. catholic pries., shot at Raab, end June. 3. Mr. Gonezewiky, Catholic pries., shot m in o e t,,be r . 4. Mr. Rudayanasky, Catholic Bishop of New..,l, sentenced to 2 years' imprisonment. S. Mt. Bartakocies Cathn:ie Mahon of Rawnaul G. Mr. 14 n 4 A MN Archbishop at Erlau In prima under 7. Mr. Baron Berner, Bishop of Grosswardein • trial tur halt 8. Mr. faro% Great Prior of Gran to loon ; they 9. Mr. Levey, Great Prior of Erlau ure trio' by 10. Mr. Pupories, Greek Bishop or Molokai:* court-martin. 11. Mr. Ilsobner, Lutheran Be•hop, deal In prison. 13. Mr. Packh. Lutheran Bishop, hidden In the mountain., prawcuted by ti e He. and Cry. 13. Mr. Michael Toth. Calvinist clergyman at Dehreezia he mon eloquent ;reacher), sentenced to 18 year.' impriecinment in heavy irons. 14. Mr. llornstli, Catholic Bishop of Cninail IS. Mr. Jekelfaluwiy, Catho:ic Bishop of 2,pren Refugees. 16. Baron Mednyanszky, Catholic canon IL STArr. 1. Count Loofa Ratthyant, prime Minister, tried by court math') and abet at Moth; his (11414 CA confiscated. 2. Baron Perenyi (upwards of 70 yeah of age), President of The House of Lord., and Judge of the Supreme Court, banged at Penh . estates confiscated. 3. Ban n Jowenak, second Lieutenant of the county of 7eu.ra, hanged ; comes cootiwated. 4. Mr. Csanyt, UMW. r under Kinsuth, hanged; eututes confiscated. S. Mr. Petres, High Sheriff of the county of Pre,bwg, shot at Presburg. G. Mr. Se.acsway, Secretary of the Diet, hanged at Pesth. 7. Mr. Csei sun, Coun.ellor of the Treasury, hanged at Pcsth. h. Mr. Novak, Secretary in the Ilome.oftice, shot at Peuth. 9. Count Leopold Nadastly, Privy Councillor, Lord-Lieutenant of the e o nnty of Cameron, imprisoned for four years, sentenced to pay a fine of 11,01$1. 10. Count Stephan Karolyi, imprieoned for four years, fined 14,0901., Lord-Lieutenant of the county of Pusth. 11 Count Sudsy, Lard-Lieutenant tit the county of Nograd, Imprisoned for two 7, are. 12. Count George Kamlyi, fined 10,000/. for haring shown great Joy at the arrival of the limners. 13. Mr. 31arczlhanyi. Lcrd-Lieutenant of Trencoen, the first of the Ociannimers of Hungary, fined 2.0001. The number of the shot and imprisoned of no WO station is much greater. 1 General Kies, shot at Arad. . lii. ARMY. 2. Gtrat-r..1 tfy, .hot at Arad. 3. t. I 8 btreidel, shot at Aral !. Gent ral Torok, Ent at And. S. General Lazar, h .nged ►t Arad. General hanpd a: Arad. . - 7. Gentral Count I;lnini;en, huted at And. S. General Count %every hanged at And. 9. General Navy :Amor, hanged at Arad. !? General Ataich banked at Arad. h 47 1 41:" d at Arad. U. General Fiiiiri;s37:tian;;Lltlrad. ..„ General Panii;Tlicia,.banie-4;t•Arad. 11. Colonel liminez? wt Arod. - ",17t C...10uel Prime ' monk .ky, lunged at Peath. 16. Oaloncl Ormay, lunged at Froth. 17. Cohmel Sall, .hot zt Teeth _ . la. Colonel Heripn Mednyanoky. hanged at Freeburg. 19. Colonel Gruber. lunged at Pre#burg. " 20. Major AbanoOtirt, hinged at Preen:UT. 21. Mayes Goon, hannes at Presburg. 22. Mare Felten, hanged at Pentb. 23. Major Murtnann, Phot at Temearar. 24. Mare Leper, shot at Panesora. 15. General Mora. 2i. General Count Lizir,`imprisoned from the to eight years. 27. General Ginntr, 2n. Lieutenant Ite.d./bushal prabowsky, ander trial. Some 3a colonels sentenced to Is years imprisonment in heavy irons; some ail lieutenent-colonela and majors, to li years in heavy irons. /el the officers of the Hancerian army .h, had not served heroes in the Austrian army were sent to the army as private saddler., who ran be Bogged by the simple order of their ettlese. This la the core with Count Stephan &ternary, Baron Frederic Podia, nieitaky. Count Gustav Batthy.ini, the eon of the count well known in England; of Baron Liptay, of Mr. Paul Cary, and a hundred others. In addition to these in lividnala two women of rank, the dauehter of the Bishop Haubner, of Raab, and Mn. Ma derspach, at Ruskberg, were sentenced to he ti ggsd. And not only was sentence passed, but it was actually carried into ezecut•on. (Rear, hear.) And in the face at ad ibis were they to hear it said that the noble lord was to blame when he asked for some security that protection would be given to the unfortunate refugees that their hoes should not be prac tised upon, if not by the Austrian government, and at their instigation, at least by Austrian sub:eats, who perhaps knew what would be most agreeable to their government. (Hear s hear.) Mr. DISRAELI said that the observations of the hon. and learned gentleman rendered it necessary ti r him to say a word in vindication of the coure pursued by the eohle lord babied him. lie congratulated the hon. and learned gentle man and his friends on their sympathy with Presidents of the Council, and especially with bishops. (" Hear, hear," and Laughter.) That must be very satisfactory to the con servative party in this country. The hon. gentlemen read a list cf the executions which took place in Iluoirmy after the termination of the unhappy civil war which rood there. They must all deeply deplore such events, but they could form no opinion from these circumstances whstta, r the cause which the hon. gentlemen advocated or that of the victors was the just end right one in tee present ease. The catas trophe did not demonstrate which bad justice on their side. If these persons mentiosird by the hon. Lind :a arued gentle man engaged in an unrighteous cause, they were the victims of their own ;asinine and want of judgment ; if. on the other hand, their cause was the just one, they were martyrs and heron. He thought the history of England tome-tied et - ample. of similar a 'centime, even since the adveut of the present family to the throne. What did hen ntlemen think of the executions of the Earl of D. rwentwa!er and the accomplished and gallant Balmerino, when it w s thought rignt or just to have receutse to such reine.:ies aed to coun tenance such atrocities. Therefore the los read al the bon. and learned gentleman, even supposing it to he euthentio, proved nothing whatever. The noble lord should not have insinuated assassination and murder against the ..Ity of her M ajesty's government without being able to brave forward at least very strong grounds for his statement. Ile therefore considered the expressions of the noble lord the member for Marylebone were the most unwarrantable ever delivered in that house. (Hear, hear) With regard t• the general political subject before the house he would make but one or two observations. Nothing was more gratifying to him than to tit-al that there was so general a sympathy in the house for the independence sod integr.ty of the Turkish Empire. (Cheer.) He always believed that the main tenance of the integrity and independence of that empire was essential to the peace and permanent prosperity of the civilised world.:(Hear, hear.) H. had endeavoured to im press his views on a former occasion on the house, hut he was in a minority. He oongratulated the noble lord the Secretary of State, who had had of lute rather hard times of it, and also on that evening in referenc- to the sub ject before them. lie recollected when a certain hon. gen tleman entered that house he expressed his intention of Im peaching that minister; yet he saw that gentleman there riady to support him on the present occasion. (clear, hear.) He (Mr. Disraeli) never considered the noble 1-rd a leader; neither hail he given him credit on the other hand for slight and limited abilities, as those who formerly denounced Ma wen not ready to award. lie always re d that that noble lord would have managed affairs very well if it had not been for the liberal party in that hotter. who. 00 all occasions, ignorant of the subject on wnich they spoke, took the most extreme and erron'ous opinions—(laughter) —and who first hallooed on this country against Turkey, and then, when they had done Maslen:able mischief, found out that the existence of Turkey was essential to the interests of England. (Hear, hear.) - ••• Sir DE LACY EVANS, who was almost totally inaudible in the gallery, was understood to say that the Hungarian constitution was one "(the oldest in &wog* His hon. and learned friend, Mr. Cockburn', had that night read a hit of blood and crulll unsurpa.sed in the annals of any country's atro- ities : and he was astonished that in that house such deeds could meet, he would nut say with approval, but even with palliation. (Hear, hear.) Lord CLAUDE HAMILTON begged te say one word, in explanation. He had never said that the Hungarian constitution was not one of the oldest in Europe. In tact, he believed it dated wren years atter Magna Charts.