The Express. — London, England, 1850-05-11 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMEN't. HOUSE OF LORDS—FILIDAT, MAT 10. T►. tame ma at five o'cloati. Lord LANGDALE Mt Speaker. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Law or Illakarson.-137 the Earl of POWIS, from Sabrip,mrsiast any altered's an the law of marriage. _ F A CTORY Larovn.—By the Earl of CARLISLE, from Stourbridee. against the relay system in &Meeks. DISTRAINING CROPS IN IRELAND. The Earl of LUCAN laid on the table a bill the sub. jeet of distrainiag growiag crepe is Ireland, o which woe road • lima time. ASSISTANT OUARDIANS IN IRELAND The noble EARL wished to know it it was Vie intention MUM government during the present session of Parliameat Ito propose any amendment of the act of last rear that would usable assistant guardians (recommended by .blards of guar dians sad appointed by the Poor Law Commissionm) to be paid oat of the rates of the avian ? The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said it was his opinion, and that of the government, that the practice of appointing vivo-guar.liaus Avoid be, as far as possible, disused. Hs was not prenared to say that the government would intro. dace a general measure on the subject. He bad no doubt that there were particular cases of anions in Ireland in which it would be useful to have viceiguraians who should be paid out of the rates. (Hear, hoar.) Lard UONTBAOLE hoped there would be no delay on the pert of the poetraistent in the introduction of a bll to amble the onions to tae tkemeelvcs. After a slant desultory couveraition the matter dropped. CASE OF MR. RYLAND. Their lordships were occuphd for some hours with the discussion of • claim for compensation urged on behalf of Mr. Ryland. The claim had formed • subject of debater in more than one previose session, and was now revived by TM Dubs of ARGYLL, who propose,' a series of reenlu tions, setting forth that Mr. Ryland, being clink of the Eat estiva Couccil in Canada, had tont his appointment threnigh the abolition of that office, and had b en left without compen sation, notwithrtanding the premises of the late Lord Siden. ham and some succeeding governors, aed could now prefer a just claim sgsinot the home government to reimburse the deluge he h.(' secret]. Earl GREY, contending that the this was a subject for settlement by the colonial rather than the imperial legisla ture, moved tho previous question. Lord STANLEY supported the claim generally, but re commends-I sous 'modification of the reeelutionn proposed by tbi Dole of Argyll. Lord SRO I:GRAM eaten-red in that suggestion, as also is maintaining the right of Mr. Ityland to compensation. Earl GRANVILLE supported the motion for the previous qaestior, thinkimg that the Entente: should oe left for decision in the a long. The Doke of ARGYLL baring complied with advice by withdrawing two out of his five resolutions, their lordships divided, when the government proposition was negatived by • majority of 22 to 19. The resolutions were then s , opted, and the house adjourned ate Tarter to 9 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY, MAT 10. T. Braa►Ra toe. the chair a• 4 o'clock. 1117A1NE148. RECTORY DIVISION BILL. Oa the order or the dey for can sidering amendments on the above bill. Mr. GOULBDRN propped that the Waits of th: eanans should be 7501. instead of GUel. as prorided by the bah Mr. M. GIBSONsaI4 that on the part of the promoters of the bill he felt hound to oppo a the right hon. genii.- mea's mordant. To. quegi of the amount of stipent to be riTell to the canoes had bans fully coml.:erect in orosinittie, and it had been de.itled that 601/. should be the sum a11..n. d. Jitter an n-ureva•loe Lw,l J. lileveau, Mr. FLUMPIRE said that if the amendment would have the effect et diminishing the food applicable to the stipends of the ;weer clergy, it would be a ir.htter mach to be re gretted. Is kM bll would work better without alterative. (lieu.) Bir B. HALL geld that the amount of salary for the canons had been fully ditetused iu committee, and the sum inserted in the bill was thon7ht cmply There am ow cathedral church In MlSCheiter. sod the. ~istri.t chisekes, all of which woe to be provided for; aid to thought It hard that after so full and careful • deliberation is committee, the right hon. member should tome dowa and ads ter 7601. • year for the routtns, to the detriment of the inferior clergy. When such • proposition was murk, be thought it ea, time to Inquire what the cos duct of them eanans bad bent, sad bow the cathedral funds bad been flisposed of. It was • ray great question with kit whether they should hays even COOL ; and if tho right bw gestlamta alleged thy' in other eases the salaries or deassd been settled at 1,5001., and of canons at 750'. it would seem that the proportion was as two to one, so t hat as in this en- the dean was to have 1,0007., the salary for the canons ought to be but 3001. He would now state to the house the manner is which the affairs cf the cathedral bad been conducted. They had a clerk, who was nominated by a Roman catholic, who had bought the place, and again appointed a depute, which last did all the work for 751. a you out of 34,0001. (Chairs and laughter.) The coma had 2,0001. • year, sad the canons 1,000/. earl, sad of theme lat ter one lived at !Medley, another at t h e Lakes, another was preeident of St. Bum and another had a living in Bed:ordslaire. One gentleman had not been in Men cheater far 10 years; indeed, he (Sir B. Hall) b:- lelievid be got 4001. •year for staying away. (A laugh.) Now, what had lova the intentions of the dean and chapter with respect to the great collegiate church of Man. cheater ? They had intendea to shut up the whole church, ester. the baptistery. They tad intended to take not only the tutted', bat all the private dispels, and to let them out in pew.. All was to be Cued to the public except the baptistery, a spate of feet by 75, and that was to be the whole church accontmOr6on for • population of 33,000 souls. (Hear, hear.) 'What was the amount of duty per formed by the canons ? He had been informed that when the bishop celled upon them to perform their duty, they ap pealed to an ambiguous clause in • statute of Charles 1., and refused. It was now rropssed to give them an lemmas of 7501. Mr. Morrell was appointed by the goverr meat ti :tonics the chlriry school in connection with the collegiate church, Mnchester. The following was his " Co t cab of to one of those rem of twiner times which an now happily disappeariog under a mute just Idea of the nature sad la. pomace of education properly se called. The instroctios is as narrow as It le very well pssocble to be, sewing and reading me the colt things taught. The children repeat a collect or two, and parts of the catechism by este, bat there is• lamentable want of eniMhten. meta. Moses and DEMO were gives as two of the dimples car Chnet; end by several other =seers erpen`ly usintelhgent. I fear this was am an exanerated instance at their general want of all sanest knowledge of scripture history and Isms. There is no method at ell. Such had been the instruction given by the dean and I chapter to their poor parishioners. (Hoar, hear.) lie next came to eke amount of property which thq bad adminis tered, and would rate it, taking the value from the rate book. Newton Estate, mooed to the poor, 14,8001. ; Kirk manehulate, ditto, 2,1191. Se. ; Husholme, ditto, 7861. 3e . ; Manchester, ditto, 7,3311. 10e.; Salford, ditto, 3,11494 Ba. ; Amount of assessment, 2 0 ,906 1 . ; Tithe of the pa rish, 3,0291. 175. 7d. ; Interest on money invested, 9711.85. 4d. ; Hanalei three glebe houses, WU. ; Olebe-house at same rate : one ditto sold, and included in money out at interest, 2751. 6s. Bd. Making a total of 34,0291. 18s. 7d. (Loud cries of " Hear, bear." He did not mean to say that th e chapter bad reedited that sum, as he believed that through their mismanagement the receipts had been only 7,0001. or 8,0001., but he asserted that that wee its rateable value. Biz G. GREY said that the facts stated by the hon. baronet bad no connexion with the bill. The canons were to have 13001. • year each, with 2501. more for pew rents. That was the arrangement of the committee, and he thought that very strong reasons indeed should be s hown before the hearse con seated toast it aside. (Hear, hear.) Ur. DESDES, who had been chairman of the committee, explained that the decision of the committee in favour of SOU &year had been fax from unanimous, the dissentients thinking that th e salaries having been settled three years before by the atielealastical commissioners, it would not do to altar them to NA as extent Mr. CHILDERS said that the majority of the committee bad 137 mi strongly in favour of reduction. Mr. HORSMAN thought that the house had every ma ma to be satisfied with the bill, which he hoped would B fre general satisfaction. Kr. WADDINOTON warmly defended the dean and Chapter agmust the charges of the hon. baronet the member for Marylobate, and contended that no men wall have performed their duty in a more creditable 111111Sti. Mr. HUME wondered how men could be considered to have performed their duty in a very creditable manner who had themselves confessed that they had nothing to do. (Laughter.) The statement of the hen. member only proved ' that no matter what a man was in this country, he would find another to stand up and take his part. Sir R. INOLIS said that the int ma of the dean and chapter was only 8,0001., and that was not too much tosnable the representatives of the church to live like gentlemen. He should eupport the amendment. Mr. H. DRUMMOND objected to pluralities altogether, which he said would not be permitted In the naval or mili tary, sr say other nerviest, ersept the service of Ood. (Hear.) r. BRIGHT did not think that the duty which at lashed to these °Moss in pest times had anything to do with the question ; some indeed might be of opision that if the same duties were now to be performed by these canons, the leas they had of salary the better. (Hear, hear.) The object ot the bill was to apply large fonds, and they would be much larger when better managed, to the prat er certain clergymen who had no cure of souls is and to accumulate a fond from the surplus to rare ib th il i salaries of the working clergy of the pariah, It appeared to hun that the committee on the NU bad done what any eight or ten sensible men would do whtn having to con sider the apportionment of money under such circum stance.; and he was quite cure their decision wool:L= 1 a largo amount of satisfaction to the people of 11l If parliament wished to free the church at Manchester teem • charge which the dissenters now justly brought against it, they would par the bill in the shape in which it had cone tram the osersittee. (Haar, hear.) CIOULBIIIIM bed twilight forward the proposal he had mshesttted, believing that it would reconcile conflicting Weenie. The house than divided For the motion For the amendment After the introduction ot several verbal amendments the hill wee read a third time, Mr. GIBSON airing nutic , that on the prim of the bill be Moabd move the re-insertion of certain words in the 35te clause, which ite the coafosion that patrolled after the divalent, had bee• attack out at the iaatamet of Kr. Geld burn. DUTY ON IRISH SPIRITS. Lord NAAS gave native that diet W he should call satiation to the law rekting to the duties on home in- de spirits in boad In Ireland. EN C UM 13/1 RED ESTATES MISTACOMMISSION—SALE OF LAND . Mr. F. FRENCH wished to put a gaged= to the Soiled vr-General. He had been informed that a eels of property had lately token nine in the county of Westmeath, under the Encumbered Estates Commission Act. and that the 'ar mor • mployed by the commission included in is survey 4I arm of an adioiniag property belonging to aMr. M. Berry, which 44 acres had been sold with the encumbered prop rty, sad a psflieaumtery title given to it. (Lsughter and loa d cries of ' hest, hear.") The question he had to ask wail, what maps amid Mr. Berry take to rlCOvirt his land ? (Hoar, ' - hear ) The SOLICITOR-GENERAL had received no notice of the gnostic& (" Ob," and a laugh.) Mr. FRENCH—Yes, I told you last night that I should put the question. (Firer, hear.) Tne SOLICITOR-GENERAL bad received no informa tion whatever on the 'abject. ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION—THE HOR- D ESTATE. Mr. HORSMAN roar to put the question, of which he hod given notice, when the ecclesiastical commission would pre sent another general report, none having been presented since 1847, sad also whether any sad what proceeding' had been taken either be them or the Bishop 01 Otoucester since 1848 in the cam of the estate of Horfield ? Lorca J. RUSSELL, with regard to the first question, replied that no report had yet been presented, nor could he say who n seek report would be drawn up. With respect to the second question, the arrangement between the commis sioners and the Bishop of Gloucester was referred to the law officers of the crown, and they gave th-ir opinion spinet the legality of that ascsagoment, and it had consequently not been • d out. Since 1849 the commissioners had made no return relative to the Muffled estate. COLLEGE OF SURGEONS. Mr. STAFFORD asked the Home Secretary whether it was the intention of her Majesty's ministers to sanction such an alteration in the charter of the Royal College of Surgeons as should enable the council to elect Allows without semi- nation. Bir 0. GREY replied that application had been made for en alteration in the charter; but no final decision had been come to. There weans intention on the part or the govern or:lt, at present, to propose any alteration. SAVINGS BANKS.-00VERNMENT RESPONSI BILITY. In nyly to lar. FAOUC The CEANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated that, tin,:er the new Savings Bark Act the government intended to IMIIII2II the responsibility tor ell depovits paid to the al pointed trouser II of the ba. ks on thei _ ASSISTANT GUARDIANS IN IRELAND. In reply to Mr. TAYLOR, h'ir 0. GREY said it was not the intention of the govern ment to maks any special provision far the assistant guardians in Ireland as assistant guerdians. TILE NEW HOUSE OF COMMONS. In answer to a series of questions from Mr. B. Osnon fez, Mr. GREENE stated that the new chamber of the Com mons would be ready for the reception of members in a few days; but the actual day of sitting must depend upon the state of the weather. Much laughter baiVd the announct . _ meat of this new cause of delay. AUSTRALIAN COLONIES BILL. Mr. AGLIONBY pee notice, with the view of securing representative government in Australis, that he would move on Monday tint a el _use be added to the Australian Colonies Bill, the object of which would be to re.tore the coastitution elven to these colonial in 1546, but which was suspended is 1849, subject to eettsin alterations. lie wished to ask the solge lord, the First L etd of the Treasury, whether the bill in question would come on (or the third reading on Monday ? Lord J. RUSSELL raid he should propose the third read iest of the hill tan Monday. HER MAJESTY'S IRTIIDAY.—THE WHITSUN 11DE HOLIDAYS. Lord J. RUSSELL announced that on Tuesday next he would move that the house at its rising do adjourn until Thursday, in consequence of her Majesty's birth-lay felling on Wednesday, and on Friday next be woad move that the house at its rising do a :jouru until the Thursday following for the Whitsuntide lsolitiajs. INDEPENDENT NOTICES OF MOTION. Mr. AGLIONBY begged to ask whether the noble lord, the First Lord of the Treasury, intended to alined any remedy to those unfortunate members who had had notices of in MIMS en the books for the lest six weeks? The next open day would be about the 27th of June, and it would be utterly impossible for any private member to expect to pass a b:11 which was Introduced at so late a period of the session as the end of Jane. He thought the noble lord ought to appoint an ealy day for independent members to introduce :heir modem. Lord J. RUSSELL said it was impossible at present to appoint any day foe the purpose. ALLEGED BRIBERY. Mr. F. O'CONNOR said that, seeing the hon. member for Meath (Mr. 11. Grattan) in his piece, he wished to know whether that hon. gentleman hed said at the Dublin Rotunda that he was offend 5,0001. in that house for his vote ? Mr. ORATTAN was understood to gay that he had been incorrecely reported on the occasion in question. Mr. F. O'CONNOIt—I em glad to hear it. (A laugh.) THE LATE ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY. Lord HOTHAM, alluding to some statements that had appeared la relation to the registrarship of the Canterbury Prerogative Caere, respecting the conduct of the late pri mate, declared that the abstinence of that prelate from ro rivatii.g a restive to the reversion of the appointment in question ' was strictly • matter of principle, and wee in entire ac cordance with many previous acts in the life of Dr. Howley. Lord J. RUSSELL did not think there was any stain whatever on the late archbishop; on the contrary, there was but one opinion as to the disinterested conduct of that distinguished prelate. (Hear, bear.) ECCLESIASTICAL PROPERTIES. Sr B. IiLLL inquired whether the Ecclesiastical Cons ea.:loners had received full amounts of the uroperties belonging to the several sees, the date of the leases, the names of the parties to whom leases had been granted, and if there was any objection to lay these returns on the table ? Lord J. RUSSELL said the ecclesiastical commissioners had sent • number of queries to the bishops in 1841, and that by making a compare= eau tables received in return they had formed their estimates of the sums received and paid by their lordships. The act of parliament provided that these accounts should be made septennially, and on the let of January, 1851, the next account would be rendered, and full information on the subject would then be laid be. fore parliament. THE MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMATES. _ _ In reply to Col SISTHORP, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that, if time allowed, he proposed to take three heads of the miscel laneous estimates nitthtt day week. _ SAVINGS . BANK BILL. In reply to Sir H. WlLLoroanr, Tao CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he timid ookbring on the second reading of the Savings Bank Bill before Whimatide. ABOLITION OF THE LORD LIEUTENANCY OF IRELAND. In reply to Mr. DtanAna, Lord J. RUSSELL said that on Friday next, before the orders of the day, he would oak leave to brie( in a big to abolish the lord lieutenancy of Ireland. THE ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSIONERS. Mr. HORSMAN said time commissioners had made no report ance 1847. H. wished to know whether there would be any objection to his nosing for a return of their mere repent proceedings ? Lord J. RUSSELL could not answer the question without first looking at the return. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. It was than agrood that ths house, at its rising, should adjourn to Monday next. STAMP DUTIES. The CHANCELIbiof thiTEMCHEQUER prefaced his announcement of the government intention respecting the stamp duties, by an allusion to the perplexities which had tersifled his predecessors from attemplag the revision of those duties in the pose, and of his own purpose in trying to amend them in detail. This purpose, he observed, was ealginally rather the equalisation than the maintop of the le% NEW as regarded the minor conveyances which were seined for the benefit of small buyers and sellers of land. Airs recapitulating the various modifications which Om pup d measure had undergone, the objections aged against it, and the adverse votes that had passed the house upon its various clauses, Sir C. Wood stated that he intended to move that the bill be altogether dkam., and a new one substituted, of which he emu iianddii the principal features. The duty on CORMS, - anon sad to be It. per cant. on all values. On mortgages and bonder, whisk the late vote had recommended to be Is. per cant., he proposed charging one-eighth per cent., making the duty on value up to 601. only le. 3d. ; for 1001., 2s. 114. ; and as meek men err every successive 1004 For settlements and money mama open land the stamp to be 51. per cent. The duty an esninginal essufties he gave up ullogetbut as will as that upon knew fk ie a pier, of what ever amount . . The stamps on nesimerials were kM at aced., and en the " followers" in anveyances • fixed sum of 105. 1,.. • new feature of ter importance in the bill, he promised a clause by whisk • ems of 10s., paid by way of verifiestion fee, was to rimier the duty charged upon any inetemment the cossimisionens of stamps, effectual in =Mos the t vale in every court for all intents gni pungens Wend of kr*/ the question of validity elm Mr emo irides of lis Mr at the last moment, to is post ad hiftedalla Irealiewabla damage of the suitors. Tba Clkimeellor el kW lindieessee then moved that the Geist fte Om Wilma nemeiller et the obi bill should be dieelmusi I =ft, tarfftwOhnil an Monday next the house ebe nn ticlage tesiumbine In oar ft par the preliminary he the Intredesilea el his new measure. After a f li e:=Esea Mr. T. Eankrox and Mr. IiZAD LA M it was agreed Mat the home resolve itself into • manna's on the sedget of the stamp ditties on Monday. PARLIAMENTARY VOTERS, at. (IRELAND), Oa the order of the diif;; the thin reading of this bill -Bir J. WALSH moved that it be read a third time that day air months, maintaining that it was an undue disturb ance of the Reform Bill, with which a guarantee had been liven that it should be finaL If this bill went merely to :seedy the defects of the Reform Bill of 1832 he should riot however object to it; but it entirely departed from the provisions and the principles of that measure, THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MAY 11, 1850. ny introducing a vastly more dementia system. effect of ottoman' as Chemise domes Irelend, in &form, Hs had drawn up a ached shown; tin state of the en- he aligned, non simple and emmpsliwdvs than that in Min In Irelasd, and how it could be allened by this which it was applied in this ofW (Bear, hear.) The n sure. 0 There were three column showing the number tenant at will, it rated at 81., wwssl in the p resesue of coin:Oen In 1837. he 184 9 , and the number there Inlaid pro- his landlord. (Hear, hoar.) This was a great change, and bably be under this bill. In the aunty of Antrim in 1837 one that would give an undue preponderance to the landed the number of voters was 4,032, Is. 849 they had boon interest, unless the independent householden of the towns diminished to 1,314, and if Shia mums biome law the not Manilas members ware placed in counterpoise wish the number would be 18,692, nearly menthe s@ setteany as the subservient cultivators of the soil. Hon. gentlemen aeries p rese nt constituency. In Limerick the another of desired that a minimum—end the hon. and learned gelato voters in 1837 was 3,280, in • 1849 they had de- man who hadjust spokee(Mr.Napler)onillated between 121 creased to 1,096, and the new conatitmeney would be 14,163 and lel. — s hould be adopted —teat should be both The total camber of toms in 1837 was 80,206; la 1849 sufacisatly high and 'efficiently low for its purpose; high !key had bees reduced to 33,842, and they would be gag- enough to exclude the household contitueney from the sesaled by the resent bill to 3 4 4,771, exellunve of those county,—(ticaz)—sand at the same time low enough to let who might qualify seder the existing modifications. LA in a large mass of quiescent vassalage under the operation of ' him compare the constituencies of Ireland nada this bill the clause. (Hear.) What would be the consequence of with these of England, Scotland, aid Wales. The county that? The occupier of land rated at this, what shall I cell constituencies of Ireland under this bill would comprise on it (sentineled the right hon. gentleman)—this pseudo con the average 11,600 voters. Is Beglaad, taking the counties @genitive minimum—(cheers)—unprotected in everything— and divisions of counties, by a return laid an the table of whose tenure is but his vote, unprotected by any lease,— the house In 1847, it appeared that the average of those on- (hear, hearl—and when suffrage *unprotected by the ballot stituenose in England was about 6,700, and If they were to —(loud cheers from the liberal party)—he would be reject those great constituencies which were more ulna than invested, according to your scheme, with the fran raral, Middlesex, the West Riling of Yorkshire and South this, for the exercise of which, perhaps, you cur - Lancashire, the average would be about 6,690. The nun- CATe this the most appropriate qualifieation. (Hear, hear.) ties of Wales had little more that 3,000, and of Scotland While on the other hand the householder in the county 1,500. This bill, then, would give to Ireland an meant of town, with its 10,000 or 12,000 inkabitante, like Thistles cr voters altogether disproportionee to the constituencies in Carriek-en-Sair, which sends no members to parliament — England, Scotland, and Wales. If they were to carry this the respectable occupiers of the county towns, rated at el: measure they meld be entering upon a new career of nvo- for • tenement, which in this country would be rated at lutionary change. Now, the Mentions that he entertained considerably more—perhaps 181.—the well-conducted man to this measure were principally directed to the 81. rating engaged in respectable trade, inteldgent, sagacious, and pro claim and to the joint occupation clause, and, perhaps, bably not uneducated, in good circumstances, and with a in • minor degree, to the compulsory registration. supplemental capital in his integrity—he would be stripped He considered compulsory registration a dangerous and mis by your ecneme of that franchise, of which ho would make chievous principle. Tee hoe. baronet proceeded at much a fearless, an independent, and an honourable use. (Wear, length to observe upon the character of the electorate which hear.) This would be impolitic, and it would be unjust. would be created under the bill, declaring that its result It would be impolitic, because unjust—(sheen)—and its would be a cottier constituency, with a dangerousapproxlms- impolicy and injustice are rendered the more conspicuous, tom to universal suffrage, and when the landlord would because in this country you hove preserved the 40e free share a vast amount of illegitimate influence with the priest, bold franchise, and because here the great majority ef the demagogue, and the trading agitator. On these grounds English members are returned for boroughs on the low he moved that the bill be read a third time that day six qualification et • 101. value--(hear, bear) ;—but if your pur months; and he did so with the sanguine hope that what- pen sumeed,the majority of Irish members would be returr.ed ever might be the result of that motion, the bill in it. on a qualification of double that amount. This is nut present chap would not ultimately become the law of the consistent with the true spirit of the legislative union. land. (Load cheers.) But you will tell me, many of you—or if lair. E. B. ROCHE owned he was surprised at this oppc- you do not tell me I know you thick it—that the ease of anion at the eleventh hour to this tardy manure of justice Ireland is peculi*—(heae)—that you ere afraid cf agitation. to Ireland, but if he was surprised at the hon gentleman (Cheers and counter cheers.) I think your fear is intsteken opposite, be was still more surprised at the enters he (Cheers.) Mistaken fear has been the hue of Ireland. had urged. The hon. gentleman had at considerable (Hear.) It wet by mistaken fear that the purl cede was length gone through his reasons for opposing the bill, but he enacted—it was mistaken fear thatdelayed its repeal—(`lear) ' (Min Roche) had never heard sounder reasons for the pass. —it was to mistaken fear that that fatal procrastination of lug of the measure than those put forward by the hon. gen- justice tookaolsee which has produced so much misfortent iv tliman for rejecting it.. The leaders of the people Ireland—(hear)—and if I ma; be 'down! to say so, there is in that country were now rather disposed to turn their nothing of which England has cause to be so much ashamed attention to physical and social improvements; but when es this mistaken fear. (Loud cheering.) You mny toy hon. gentlemen opposite raked up alt the old topics of party "what after the scenes we have wenessel in Ireland—the ',effeteness, throwing into the cauldron that eternal grit v- "undermine of landlord from tecant—the paroxysms which ante, the Irish church, they were the reel agitators of Ir • she has exhibited, is there nothing to fear. I ray nothing land, and ought to bear the responsibility of the consequence —(more cheering)—but look at the facts—to the cans •e or of such agitation. (Hear, hear.) Feeling that this bill was events—the eveuts which are peeing before you, and meek based on just and fair principles, and supplied remedies for a the consequences. The agitation I have referred to was le glaring evil, he would deal) he could, as the representative of be ascrieed to two causes. The operation of both those causes the largest constituency in Ireland, to carry it out. Ile have ceased . That result is to be ascribed toe great wets publicly thee ked tbc government for introducieg it, and tion and to a great man. (Hear, hear.) The qneetien wes hoped it would be successfally curled. (Hear, hear.) the catholic qui scion, unparalleled in its it.flueuee and the severity with which it was c Jousted ; the man was an able Lord BERNARD raid it was no matter of surprise that opposition should be offered to this bill, looking at the is and en industrious Irishman—(hear, hest)—one whose eke, portantawinceples which it involved. Ministers had last year looking at the might of his intellect and the eiteree f his character, we shall not look upor. again. (L cud and anseatkeir belief that this measure could be no longer delayed. How was this? Waen a new franchise was pre. repeated cheers.) The hon. and learned gentleman has alluded to the act of 1713, when the 40s. freehold franchise posed it might be supposed that the country was int:unlit was granted to the catholic* of Ireland. Does he not keow mimed, and that the table of the house was that for 40 years that franchise was exercised by altoloaded with petitions in termer of such a measure. Bat not a single petition had been presented, o r tenant in subtler% ieracs to the protestant proprietcr sheeting held in its favour the greatest epathy on the sub- of the soil (Bear, Lear.) And how was the bend prevailed in Ireland. lie Oppow this l aeasere, as broken ? I have no doubt that the great eke-oral struggle Mug et with danger to both co:nettles. It was not a sienre would not have taken place but for the miraculous ore enisa non which the wrongs done to hie country enabled Mr. measure, but one merely to get in the wedge. It had nothing on earth to do with Ireland. The fact was ministers O'Connell to accomplish. But for that catholic questi - a he were afraid of a dissolution of parliament, and thus sought to never would have been able to associate together the cath.eic strengthen their ranks by sone forty or fifty additional hierarchy—the catholic aristecrazy, the catholic [teeny, bar supporters. Another ground why he opposed t hi s rigors, graziers, awl all classes and conditions in that bill was, because it destroyed the real property amazing confederacy before which ascendancy at last fell franchise in counties, which had existed for • down. (Ilene hear.) And, on the other hand, that cone - lengthened period. The last time this question dersef was debated in the house in 1941, the present me amongst us that celebrated men of whom Ireland is justly 'Listen were divided on the question. The noble lord at the Prowl, and to whom she ascr ibes her greatest victory. head of the government had asked the house what would (Cheers.) But, it may be asked, may not a mond OtCez nen arise ? True, nature may supply the same faculties. but be the effect on the country if they c 'minted to extend the (n eer, hear.) Such wee fortune may not again supply the same opecrtuaity— franchise to the Irish populace. nature may create the same versatility of mind—the Wag the noble lord's opinion then ; and he had not once ex- nature resources—the time unfailing pers.evereue —the peened a different opinion sine* that period. The Earl of same indomitable courage—the sante commending elquence, Carlisle (len Lord lelorpetb) had dssetibed the principle which, in his case, converted a populace lute a people ; hut of the bill (Lord Ho trick's) as • novelty in a consteutionel point of view. The Chancellor of the Exchequer sup, °tied though nature may make a second O'Connell, you won: fur nish him ..vith • second penal code. There never wee a time, the bill as extending the franchise to an independent set thick, more opportune tor earryine this meagre. (Una.) Of voters. Tire late Sir W. Follett objected to it as altering the principle of the Rearm Bill, and as directly violatingCOConcessions made to irelani by this country have too el.en the candition on which the Homan Catholic Relief Bill h ad to be the rennet of tear,—:o have beta di asted by a sentiment which nueleilimen ought never to entertain. been paned. Once adept the principle of making the bo (Hear, hear.) But now taat Ireland is at rest, now that she rough and county franchise the same, and where on earth were they to stop ? The nteenery consequeces would be the is wisely governed and in a state of repose, now that adoption of the chartist principle of electoral districts. (Hear.)) you are not pressed by the spirit of menacious no- Under restation—(hear, hear)—this measure—this large and the systemproposed,teetownswouldhaveunbounded compreeensive measure—which May redeems the influence in the county election'. Let the house bear in mind how undesirable it was, now that the co untries pledge which my noble mead the first minister of the crown on taking uffice—(hesr, hone—will appear to be the wen so closely united, to establish different franchises. Ca- gave spentaneous emanation of a nation's fairness, anti dictated piudista here were recommended to invest their savings in by the noblest sentiments of Englishmen. (Cheer.) I Ireland ; at the some time they were told they should not t from trus the sg, in ther enjoy the same political influence, but have it swamped by has been to henceforth o much truth—that E ancient ngl ayin and's diffi weieh cui yis Ire e the town populatioe. lie asked the house to pause before land's opportuuity—wel cease, and that that enamel 'mho it took this step, won. if once taken, they would perhaps find it difficult to retrace. (Hear, hear.) risen, the truth of which the experience of cetouries have 6:r J. YOUNG said that be would support the third read - confirmed, will too mere be heard, but that in the minds of ing of the bill, although there were come puts of it which he Irishmen there may be implanted the convictioe that you feel, that justice to Ireland is the best security for Itegland, should wish to see amended before itassed into a law. He and that her rights are Newland her interest.' identified with regretted that the government had s o pertinaciously adhered to the second clause, which if not fairly ' d out would your own. (Cheers ) give rise to frauds and subdivision of land. He thought Lord JOCELit N quoted tome statements of the numbers that the town land valuation should be adopted , as of rated householders to prove the enump ion that wider an 81. rating qualification the intelligence sad respectability of the basis of the franchise, instead of the poor law valuation, for the reform of which several boards of guardians were the constituency would be entirely swamped. already crying out. (Hear, heir.) If the object of this Lord CASTLEREAGH, without approving tile VI alto gether, conceded the necessity of enlarging the elect:eel alto measure were really to carry out the intention which the basis, and declined to postpone for another estsion the stilt legislature had in passing the Reform Act, be considered of an enlarged constituency to Ireland. It was, neveethe'ees, that a 121. rating would effect that object more fairly than the 81. rating which was adopted in this bill. The county he allowed, an experiment fraught with peril, end he should have prefenea the selection of a 121, rating quelifi. which he represented, for instance (Cavan), had a consti tuency of 3,400, after the passing of the Reform Bill, "den. when almost every person who was entitled to Colonel RAWDON was muted that the measure had the franchise was placed on the registry. But the been prompted by no dread of agitation, but n sincere wish secure juniee tor Ireland. 81. clase would give 9,000 electras to that count A 1(1. r a ting would give 6,000 electors, and a 121. ratingy. co Sir J. GRAHAM disclaimed the party objrc's which Mr. Napier had attributed to all the advocatee of the present would give 4,500, which approximated to the number which the Reform Bill gave . lie had stated what he considered to measure. He had objected to sewn of the clauses of the bill, be the defects of the bill, but a large majority of that house and had, among others, voted against the joinneecupsecy having decided against the amendments proposed to remedy clause, and, while disapproving of the 81 qualification re too low, only supported it because he bed r.'o choice between them, he felt bound to support the third reading, because that tariff and the 151. rating proposed by Sir J. the =enure contained a principle which he believed to be essential to the prosperity of Ireland. (Hear, hear.) The Young. The rapid dissolution of the enetitueneics under the existing franchise proved that no sound hon. baronet who moved the amendment objected to the self-acting registry. He (Sir J. Young) hoped the basis could be discovered except in the occupation government would adhere to that part of the measure, rating. This wits adopted in the pre sent mereure, and which he regarded as a very conservative portion of it. guarded re it was by the necessity for residence and the ale With respect to the established church he did not think it solute payment of rates, appeared, if not the ben, at ell events a scheme which ought not to be rejected without pro ms in any danger from this messure. That church was never later from external attack than at the present mo. Tiding a substitute. Upon the balance he believed that the meet. F or hi mse lf he b e li eve d i t t o be sate i n the truths good promised by the measure preponderated over the es which it taught, in the increased activity and zeal of its that might be apprehended. Looking at the advances lately members, but he believed it would be free from ell assaults made by the " democratic element," he was convinced that it if those who represented it in that house and elsewhere acted could be most effectually encountered by an extension of in a spirit of fair liberality towards their Roman catholic the electoral bens. The dreaded approach of universal fellow countrymen. (Hear.) He did not think that they suffrage would be best averted by a widening of the coostitu should for a trifling advantege_:put in jeopardy the great tional suffrage. Interests of that church. He did not think it wise Mr. DISRAELI said that he had a desire to give his to put in a separate claim for education, and no opinion on the bill which was then before them, lie ad pima could deny that the property of the ecclesiastical dressed them with much hesitation, not only becau-e he emathisions was mansged in • way that no man would wish followed the right hon. gentleman the member for Ripon, te no his friend's estate managed. (Hear, hear.) With but also because he considered the speech of that right hon. newt to the Roman Catholic clergy, it was admitted by all gentleman to be one of a very perplexing character. He had that they exercised an influence which few pennons would called the attention of the house to the circumstances of the tae to en exercised by say clergy. Bat let them recollect case and said that he disapproved of the most important ye llow that influence had been acquired. The people of Ire- patio's' in the bill in favour of which he was about to hod wen deprived of their natural protectors by ab. vote. (" Hear " and cheers.) He (Sir J. Graham) recalled ethaidem—(hear, hear)—and the peasant had recourse to to their recollection with parliamentary pride, the fact that his prima to aid and aseletanee, which was never he had recorded his vote against the second clause of the denied MR. Daring the last four or five years, which bill. The right hon. gentleman equally disapproved of the was a period of great trial and, trouble, the Rogan ca- clause which had fixed the suffngo at an 81. rating, but he Hallo clergy ranged themselves in general on the side of believed that he voted in favour of that clause when in law and orier, and he believed that a return of the number committee. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr Disraeli) was correct ("priests who had died during that period in the discharge when he said that he recorded his vote in favonr of of their duties would of itself be sufficient to fill many min It What opportunity the right honourable gentleman ' with affection sad respect for that body. It was lx- now longed after to express - his opiuion against the cause this measure would ripen the independence clause it was difficult for him to ascertain. He could and energise of the people of Ireland that he hardly believe that atter the bill was • read a third time in hailed it as • boon. (Hear, hear.) It was acknowledged that house, such an opportunity would bo afforded to an in this bill that there were franchises which might suit the gentleman. Nor had the right hon. gentleman, although people of England, but which were not suited to the he disapproved of the most important clauses in that bill, puns and temper of the people of Ireland. The present under the circumstances, vindicated the vote which he was franchise he believed to be suited to their babies, and in going to give, by a frank avowal that he approved of the &medium with their general wishes—(hen, bear) ;—and pneciple of the bill. On the contrary, he had candidly ad ios felt that he was acting in accordance with the spirit of witted that he was going to give his vote on mixed feelings the British eonstitutioa, and in the interest of all classes and mixed considerations. Yet it seemed to him of the people of lealland,in voting for the third reading of (Mr. Disraeli) so far se he could drew en in • the bill. (Loud choirs.) forence from his speech, that what he most approved Mr. FAGAN had heard with great satisfaction the speech of in the bill was that the suffrage wes to be exercised in of the hon. baronet who had just sat down, but he regretted Ireland for the future without any reference to tenure. that be took exemption to what he considered the most ea- And, indeed, the hon. baronet the member for Cavan, wit'. inable portion of the bill—namely, the amount of rating whom the right hon. baronet the member for Ripon had which was to be the bads of the franchise. The amount ed some political sympathy, told them that a franchise in Ire -81. would prophet the tenant against the tyranny of the land moonnected with tenure was the great political desi landlord, which wee apt to be exercised too frequently in annum. He told them that a franchise connected with Ireland. He concurred In the praise which had been con- tenure was not suited to the genius of the Irish people. Now !tendon the self-acr registry clause ; but he regretted that he (Mr. Disraeli) bad more confidence in the genius of the the billwasnot generallyof a larger and moreliberalcharacter. Irish people than the honourable gentleman the The hon. member concluded by expressing his thanks to the member for Cavan had. He should say that if it were laid government for even this putael concession to the people of down to them that Ireland was not in a state to enjoy a po- Ireland. litical franchise unless disconnected with tenure, they should Mr. NAPIER supported the ameadment, because he have before the consideration of statesmen a country which considered the bill was inconsistent with the English and demanded an immediate removal of the causes that brought Scotch reform acts. There was no such clause in either about such a condition of the people. If that were put as the second clause in this bill, which changed before him, and he were to act in the spirit in which that the whole principle of county representation, leaving it bill was framed, he should say that it was not his duty, in band on a franchise wholly unconnected with tenure or the first place, to create a factitious and artificial coneti property. Sapporo the case of a man with his sons and tuency, but that he must endeavour to put an end to that eons-ifelaw clustered together on a farm valued at 261., the sad and terrible condition which had rendered It impossible MU would give these men three votes, while a man worth for that people to accumulate sufficient property to ac -1,0001. • year in the funds bed no vote. It was well known quire a qualification to vote, and that it was the that everything la Ireland bad been made subservient to flnt duty of a minister to pass laws which party purpose. His main Armed of opposition to the bill should develop the resources of the countil. (Cheer.) was that it would emesniMth all the evils of the old system. He should have supposed that if her Majestys goveram Mr. SHEIL observedd Hist the hon. and learned gentle- had given their serious attention to the course of the p o o r man had condemned his argument, and as It appeared to law, or brought forward measures relating to such subj ects kin his feeling in one sentemee, when he said that the bill as the fisheries—measures calculated to develop the resou rces would give the power to these who could move the masses— of the country ; or if they had brought forward • measure he thought it a great misepprehene ion that the vast, the to settle in a statesmanlike manner the long controverted natunl, the legitimate 'aflame of property would be de- question between landlord and tenant—(hear, hear)—he triasentally affected by a bill which, as had been donned by could not help thinking that the result °fetich legidation would the hon. UMW the Member for Cavan, would have the be to qualify bona fitly electors, and do much more good than could be effected by these attempts at factitious suffrages. The present suffrage in Ireland was enacted by the Retorts Act, and if they divested the question of all the glowing sen timents of the Master of the Mint, it amounted to this—that the 11110111tIn before them was an acknowledgment thet the Reform Act for Ireland bad failed. (Hear, ar.) No one would vesture to maintain the thesis that the tenure of land in Intend was the sole or even the principal cause of that failure. The fearful diminution that had taken place in the Irish electoral body might.be traced to causes, moral and mit terial, quite sufficient to account for it —namt ly, us precedents d political agitation and unparalleled remise. (Hear, hear.) The Irish eonatitueades had diminished to an amount that no one would in the abstract advocate. But the moral and ma terial CALM which occasioned this result were also causes that had disinclined the people to a hasty adoption of electo ral schemes, formed only for the political purposes of a party, and not to meet the wants sae wishes of the nation. (Hear, hear.) Her Majesty's ministers themselves admitted that this was a crude and ill-digested scheme, and had, in more than one instance, shown that they were caetemplat ing Gull further changes. (Cheers.) Against the second clause he had voted, beceuse he thought it Injudicious and impolitic. He thought it a clause that never would have occurred to men well acquainted with the circumstancts of the case —he theught it in fact a meet unstatetmanlike clause, and one which ought not to receive the sanctien of the Seise of Commons. He said, emphetical:y that house—because be would not vote for a bill of which he disapproved, and throw the responsibility of rejecting lion another place. lee less a person than tne first minister of the crown himself almost anticipated objections to the second cause, for he threw it sa it were into the middle of the house, into the arena of public dis cussion, not caring what became of it, and yet this was the ob jec. ionahle clause whice was to be carried to another plsce,thus throwi-g upon another place the reupensibility of rejecting what was acknowledged to be crude and ligested. Wes that the way to treat "another place"? (Laughter.) It certainly was not deoeroue in the minister. Still less was it in those who, disapproving of such a clause, and hiving re giaterel their vote against it, were prepared now t s vote for the third reading of the bill of which that clause firmed so promise at a part. He held that the essence of the suffrage was, that it was a privi.ege and not a right. Fur his part, he believed that the people of Ireland were equally cap ible to exercise the same rights as the people of Englar.d. To announce that they were differcut from the people of England was to tell ui that the genius of Ireland was incapable of making the exertions and erj eying the necessariss of Englishmen. Lord J. RUSSELL would not detain the house long from • division, because he did not thick, if ha were capable of a 'dressing the Ileum very long, that this bill required on the third :ermine much exp:anation or defence. Here was a grievauce, and they proposed a remedy. Ile would not go into a detail of tee small num see of el, eters existing in the Various counties in Ireland, hat he woull sly perm-01y ape- king, that looking at the e.ectora for counties in Eng land, Scotland, and Wale', they varied from 25 per cent. as the lowest to 32 per cent., wheel was the highest, and an avereeee of about 29 per cent. was, for Great Britain, the average of electors for counties. When they Cl4llO to Ireland it was not 2.1 per cent, 20 percent., or 10 per cent., but it was 2 per cent.—(hear, hear)—of tee Welt mole population of Ireland. Was not that • grievance which, when it was brought before the house in a bill proposing • remedy, it was lit for the house to entertain. But we were told that we departed altogether from the franchise by tenure, ethic', had been the frau:hew in our English counties. It he un &retool hen. gentlemen opposite they meant to mai stain some such franchise as that which existed in England ; if he under stood them to maintain that thc 495. fretkold ought to he restored in In land, and that wan the franchise they were prepared to detend, ho could understand them saying we prop aid n franchise which should put Ireland on a footing with England. But they proposed no such remedy. Did they propose even to eimplity the franchise which now existed; to take the franchise of the 101, to make it more eimnle, as some time ago it was argued it ought to be, and make that the franchise for Ireland? By no weans they did not even propose that scheme. Therefore be laid down, as the first preposition, that the gri- caeca being real and oalpeble, of great infer.erity in Irelan d, as regarded England and Scotland, they did not propose any rem ity of a similar kind. West was the sort of language which was held by the hen. end learnt,' gentleman, the member for the University of Dahlinesuad the hon. gent/email who had last spoken. Oecrsetting the questiou of franchise, and the right of voting altogether they told us there were other remedies, other kinds of laws, laws affecting the eels ' don of landlord and tenant to which the legislature ought to attend and not to pay attention to the extension of the fres , chise. Such was the langetare which was rlwaes held in derpotic counties. There, seething could be so mischievous s s political riehts ; freedom of the press, the exerelle of the right of voting, were political questions, and it was the business of government to take care of the paternal interests of the people, and to look after fiseeries. (" Hear, hear," and lauehter.) Teat political franchise was the source of dig. ord:fr and revolution, and ft ma that they mint carefully se.- stain. In England we had learnt • totally rhtlerent lesson— vie , that if men had the right of sending members to this house, if they were conscious they were represeated with rega:d to the great interests of their country; that if they knew that they whom they sent as representatives had power to control the expenditure of the country; to give ad vice to the crown ; to take a part in all leg:. beim affecting the person and property of their ecuntsymen ; they w that by these rights they w. re mist,' in rank, they were raised in dignity, and so far from being lees able to become wealthy, far from being less able to leek after the material interests—that very freedom made them still more able. The bill proposed, and righ.ly proposed, that instead of 40s. which led to r :radial abuses, of crowd.; of vassals being driven to a place to support some landlords, end then trained by pelfricel see:a:ton to vote against thmelandlerds; that,instead of a franctie:e established in 1829 and afterwards enlarged in 1831, a hich had been thought to be so difficult and so open to Woad, government proposed a bill which should be simple in its endure, by which persons having a vote should not be *Mir el to deice the vote, but sheuld be enabled by the guardian of the poor to exercise the vote whenever an election should take pleas. I Then the member for King's Lynn said this was tar toe extensive ; it you had put the franchise at 121. you would have an intel:igent set of met, but, as you have put it at Si'., you will swamp all the intelligerce. He did not think the noble lord could give any proof that persons rated at 121. were persons of intelligence and that those rated at St. were not. Government haul taken a franchise as to person, paying rate, which showed that they were solvent persons ; and they had likewise taken persons that, in their numbers, did not come up to the county voters of England or of the continent. They had not token the franchise exceedingly low; there was no proof that the franchise had been taken excessively low. Then the hon. gentleman referred to the second clause with regard to joint tenants. He (Lord J. Russell) hell that clause to be of almost immaterial detail. He really did not believe there would ba many joint tenants in a county. Compere this to the splitting of land into 403. freeholds, because it must be a tenement of 161. a year at the least to have the two votes. Taking the anslegy of the Reform Jet of England they had put in this clause, but if gentlemen who represented Ire land thought this clause would have a mischievous effect, he was ready to amend the clause. Ile did not lay any stress on the clause, but on its gunnel effect. He had heard that it would diminish the nu ether of voters ; but he said again, that it was • clause to which he did not attach very great importance. Teen the hen. gent:man who spoke last said they were legislating on the famine which had taken place during the last two years. The hen. gentleman did not know that this diminution had been progressive. He found the statement made in the house in 1841, and what had since taken place in 1819. He band that in Cork the number had diminished from 5,735 to 3,70 in 1841. In 1e49 it bad again diminished to 3,686. The di =elution previously to 1811 was 2,000, and the diminution in 1549 was not more than 100. In Tipperary it was 4,143. 2,163, and 1,157. And it appeared very clearly that this was a diminution not sawing to fnwine, but was a diminution owing to the nature of the franchise. Then the hon. gentleman the member for Buckinghamshire had a strong reason against the bill which with them (the government) was a strong reason for it. The hon. geutleman says there wee no feverish excitement, no clamour for this measure. Why, if there was a feverish excitement it would be said that they were yielding to it. But es the right hon. gentleman the Master of the Mint haul told them before this wee the time for increasing the fran chise and enlarging the liberties of the Irish people, especially because it was a time of calm and quiet, and they granted this increased franchise to justice and not to agitation. The measure fruit proposed to ;dice the people of Ireland with regard to representation in as good, perhaps not quite so good, a position as the people of England and Scotland were. But it was sound in principle that they should not be treated as inferior to E tR land and Scotland, because they had a right, when they soul that England and Scotland had certain franchises, to have the equivalent for those franchises. That right they had not urged with agitation—they had not urged it by clamour; and so much the more did it became their justice—did it become their wisdom—to unite the people of Ire land to the people of Great Britain, by showing them that by equal freedom and equrl franchise they had full confidence in the manner in which they would use those franchises, and that they wished them to have all the free dom of any part of this kingdom. (Loud cheese.)—Tae house then divided— For the third reading Against it The result was received with loud cheers from the opposi tion, and with responsive cheers from the ministerial side of the house. The bill was then read a third time end passed. ELECTIONS (IRELAND), FEES (COURT OF COM. MONJ PLEAS), POLICE, AND IMPROVEMENT (SCOTLAND) BILLS. The amendments to these bills were considered and 'greed to. THE IRISII _CHURCH. Mr. NAPIER moved for and obtained lave to bring in the following bills:—Bill to amend the laws relating to cc. clekastical residences in Ireland; bill to amend the laws re lating to the erection and endowment of churches and chapels in Ireland; bill to repeal certain statutes relating to the clergy of the Irish branch of the united church of England and Ireland. The bills were brought in. and severally read a first time. The house adjourned at 10 minutes to 1 o'clock. MR. GLANTLEY BERKELEY'S MOTION for • com mittee of the whole holm to 000 sider a resolution respecting the exclosioa from our markets of the produce of slave labour, stands now lint on the orders for Tuesday next, the motions p rec eding it haring been postponed or withdrawn. Dispatches wore sent off yesterday evening from the Colonial-office, for the governors of the North Ameri can colonies. Eitt eraMtS;4l. OUTGOING MAILS. The raf ila for British North America and the I:Cud States will he made up on the evening of May 17. The made fcr Lisbon, Spain, and Gibraltar wi.l be mul e up on Ma; 17. The Welt India Malls, ratluding Brrenuda, 'Unmask Kaman, Ilorduru, Now ()risen-, and Mexico, and incltidiai them, for Madeira, Bt. Jaw-Ca-Nicaragua, Now Gem, i t, Chili, and Pena, will be made cap on the morning (.1 Illy Ile' The mails for Gibraltar, Malta, Gr. e.:e„ the lorta.e 1 Aix ; Egypt, Ceylon, India, and China, via Southampton, will be mad, up on the morning of May 20. The mails via Marseilles - , to the) Mediterranean, E- 1 , Cnylon, India, Hong-Kong, /kn., will be made up on a l :, evening of May 24. The mails for Maderia, the Brasil*, md Baenv be made up on the evening of June 4. HlOll WATNR AT LONDON VitTDON. Twn D.,—wmgmee, gll Alt , rl4olo. 1%.47, f.-amaz.•—ltoragair, 3n. LONDON, SATURDAY, MAY 11 TIIE events which take place in France, and •%: . 1 1 we are daily called to record, are not such as ON: inclined to weigh in any scale of jus . .ice, te c scarcely stops to ask, is this right, or c onol i tut i mi, or legal ? The only question iv, will the plan te,•, the move likely to be successful ? Is the par, iv aLI hea just received a knoek-down blow finis; cc or likely to recover from it? In 'act, whet we template in France is a kind of pugilistic erro,. n .„ ;. struggle to br determined by the scietce, pluck, 41.1- cle, and eneNies of the combatants. The French canservative ckampiore, in Viis .cr• ' .e fight, have just laid hold of tl e people's charm universal suffrage; they have torn the par. , ,ra el ... through the middle, and flung the frs.g¢ , ... e c ,1 1e people's face, exclaiming, " Now, my boys, ‘ . l' •, six or seven millions if you, we have one half." And this is cliam, not from a ,c — e tire, but in a spirit of retaliation. Every tnt , aware, that if Paris had dieted the s'a•i • . CLERC, irslead of the poet, SEE, the cite would not have been touched. It is to pi• s• Parisians for having dieted a novelist tint! France is to be disfranchised. Universal suffrego in France states on a ter rent &round from what is speculativelj sere=. other couttsies. In France it is the sole ,;•.. principle of authority and goveremert. .. • have been ai.-carded; all others have 'aim'', • perished. And if the rights accruing from u ..c suffre4e were to be destroyed in France, the would be nothing but a cage of wild beasts. suffrage is in that country the very order, and is the basis on which re-•s the authority of the legislature, but the ri rr once of the executive. In :eh a state of disfranchise eny large body of mn, abtve . intelligent men, is literally to saw rebel..o. to create insecurity. There is no rational person, irdee d, that tv - .. desire to we universal suffrage, wherever is Wished, at the same time &illy regulated. 'I. . gar, the convict, and the vagabend sheu I : • natcd. But in a country where a peculiar ;; • hour, viz., ay isan labour, is, from o:d habit:. ; neczseity, changeable, to iirranchise those . have changed residence , . within three years, . to disfranchise the artisan population armor s tain age. These artisans are amongst t' . .e intelligent men in the country. Their habit ... dering has at least this goo I eff.ct, that they marry and settle till they hive amassed a suil: to begin housekeeping, and until they here ac both skill and character as well as capital. Th now to be interdicted this, and prevented t: In a country in which every one has a rot.", proud of it, they are to be treated as Feria's". . purposes's' teskeetability and solidity one 3 . sidence in a town, every one must knew, w, • ample. But none of the French arthan • better artisan clasp, settle in a town for th:.. ; that is finally, till they are upward' of thine. We do not see what ie to be g deed by el;-t: ing this class, at all to be weighed with the i. - and discontent created. If tee law be real.: one, and merely disfranchise t 7 e outcasts of - its effects will not b 3 worth the heartbarnla.; vocative to strife. If it really dialracchler• three millions of Frenchmen, it must com • and dangerous injustice. For our own parts, we declare that we are mirete of universal suffrage, and should ers.r to see the elector.' franchise go beyond the able male polls" of the old United States cent . . • But in these railroad and go-ahead days, to ir move in three years a disquelitication, is an anal as well as an injustice. It i a measure ne: on any permanent principle of justice, but are: for a temporary and party purpose. We much fear that in the breasts of many wt pose and will vote for it, the purpose is no ;the to provoke to insurrection. The feeling, but ; neral, is that the tendency of things is to cieii that the aim and principle on bah sides are t, cordant ever to admit of amalgamatiov of a prolonging of contention by argumentative a constitutional weapons. belief is that a physical struggle is rose; and the conservatives say openly, the bOOnr comes the better. It is more desirable to it at once than let it gather strength. The most alarming part of these calculatio: admission, universally male by the COlik: , themselves, that the Socialists are gaining They were formerly the majority of the cll. • the great towns, and they still rte:: But in addition to their superiority in three.:`. . fields, they have indisputably acquired force in the rural districts. There are whole meets, peopled solely by rural propricer aro red republicans to a man. The ra turing districts of France are tot the m: vent for the democratic and social :., And where 'socialism is most tlourishin i r. •• cisely in those regions where the prier: , sway, and where tea years back the rigs: catholicism prevailed. The entire of A 1;.,•• svialist. despite of its rude mountains and pr new. The entire south, the land of the V , ' l. hyper-catholic and ultra-monarchic, is s:.. red-republican. What will the disfranchisement of artista cure thisepreadiugevil ? Once embarked in t!:e repression and reaction, neither assembly nor ment can stop. Their only instrument 14 11. And the army is now the most politically deu: portion of the population. They have beer :3. vote, instructed that they have the right to rulers of the country. Their fingers go into the ballot-box and the cartouche boa. • in the morning to the hustings, in tl e parade. The conscription has taken t!:,::; *: front their village, and front hems; It has forced them to become Nei and they frankly avow their preferer , c FLOTTE and EUGENE SUE to Clll.‘ ,l ‘ ol BElse.su. If a socialist officer were to standard to-morrow in any garrison. ehsl: become of the PRESIDENT, and that tierst , - of Paris, which concocts the law, and administration of the country ? And all this chaos is to be reduced to order ; franchising the artisan class, and setting the soldiers in opposite lines—to tight or freer it may be. N't e can descry neither secs'. nor justice its such policy, which strikes us as• and futile, indicating the efforts of di,tr.l.: spite, not of magnanimity, of rupee.% a • caution. THE opportunity, we fear, afforded by thei.. twit of the County Courts Extcnsien Bill, to courts on a satisfactory footing, an d re nderther:: J : of conferring such benefits as we have irdu•A• been lost. The bill as it originally stood t'as" ." much of enlarged fees and extended fu:st,•••• provisos which imparted this character ay' wisely been struck out in committee, but .1., • , defects of the bill have been lett uutoueh-,.. " bill as amended in committee " is of a J 131 •':: afford grounds for alarm to every eredi:et kingdom, and for suspicion of the further." 01. ments" intended to be proposed on bristPil repott. The bill, if passed in its present. be enough to bring county courts into disetet stniously aggravates all their existing v". does not remove one of their known defects. The " amended" bill not only contains no pro , ` . for an improved practice in those courts; but ' variance with the principle of the act whieh tt pro'