The Express. — London, England, 1850-03-15 00:00:00

111PERILL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.-THORSDAT, 111A1at 14. The Loma Cita.scas.t.oft took kic scat at 6 o'clock. CONVICT PRISONS BILL. Boil GRIT moved *et oressd resdieg of the Omelet Prima, The *pins which dm' government designod Is follow us regards the graver elms of or 'labials was ex planed by the sable Sectetavy for the Colonies to include a prelimisary Imprisonment is the mantry, is which separate, malsemest (for a terms sot exceeding eights's mouths), odumation, ladostrial isetrustion, sad various epecies of etWireetive dlwiplino were to be employed esexamiv , ly or skorther for the purpose of War muse the cow/tato. Kul of Nose essavicts were afterwards to Ito employed spas tho publis weeks of the country, either at host* or is Bermuda, Otbraltsr , *e. For the rest as asylum was to be feud in Australia, when they were to he seat wok " tickets of Mace ;" elle wiesalge prainice of " conditional per done" MOIR abolished. Them ticket.of•lear• mem would be kept soder the eye, asd is Pete Measure the control, of the eastborities; would be obliged to tsk , service ander some free settler; would be meads, 11 was species marks," to pay for Ithoirultimate per on; and would he liable, open any serious wdsormsduct, to the further l woishossist of trassportivion to Norfolk Island. After giving this outline of the New convict policy, the noble earl entered i - .to sassy historica and sta tistical details, to show the useful gamuts* which the eon view had been made to serve in New &mutt Wales. Various matriver.ole were sow to be added to increase t h eir utility, and protect the colonists from danger or .:passe. Free emigration was oleo to he enemea,ted, sv as to avoid the dangt r of beet.' g the settlement swamped with a criminal population. For this purpose the legislative grants for t ✓ation would be sew:able, as ale. se transmit their wives and families to such c insists as should deserve tliA privi. The question was put and the bill read a second time, withest author observation. AFFAIRS OF GREECE. Lord STANLEY gave nuti e that he would call their lordships' attesti.n to. morrow (this dat) to the present state of the negotiations is ref reuse to the affairs of Greece, sad at the same Sue ask fur some ezplanation es to our present position la regard to that question, as arising from a recent comeseaketion made by the Remiss Minister to its ambeeseder (Bares Bruesow) ; also as to the precise period whet' die eiders to the admisul enennanding the British fleet La the Pismo were seat eat. (Hem. beer.) THE TEN HOURS' BILL. Lord STANLEY perseeted a potion in favour of Lad Asbley's bat foe put sag en end to the " shift" system i., futons', and observed that when the Ten Hours Bill passed he yes not one of those who were the moat martin* as to its re salr, but he was bolted to sty, from all be crud learn os the subject, th t that measure, during the period it had been in actual operation, bad fully realised the objects of its promotes is reducing the hours of labour, without inflic log any injury on the master manufacturers. (Hear, bear.) That bang so, it would be lomeetable if, under a peculiar construction of the language of the act of parliament, the intentions of the legislature en passing that act should be frustrated. (Cheers.) BURIAL CLUBS. Lord MONTEAGLE, rel. rring to the great increase of late years of the horrible crime of domestic poisoning, which it was generally understood was connected with the spread of burial seieti is, inquired whether the subject bad attracted the attention of government, with the view to deer log a remedy ? It bad been suggested that toms pro vision on the subject might be introduced in the bill for preventing interments is towns, but seat measure might not pass during the present elision, and as he did not with to see a question, which was capable of a simple remedy, if left to itself, embarrassedby being oat ltd with the general question of intramural interments, he thought it they passed a short bill, imposing on the burial clubs the duty of buryine the members, instead of permitting them to pay Over tee tummy to others, they wmti put an effectual step to this crime. He wished to know whether acy such sme lter* was in prepiratioa or contemplation by the government, es if not, he himself would intr "tune one The Marquis of LAN ' , DOWNS admitted that the sub ject deserved the attention of the gov.rument, the crime alluded to, having, he regretted to say, increased to a lamentable 'meat. Ile should he sorry to suppose that the sneer-1 meaner* to which his noble friend had alluded, would not Lass before the end of the lesion, but should it not, it might be expedient to introduce such • bill as he had segiested. PUBLIC PAPERS. The noble marquislaid on the table certain papers, includ ing copses of come poadeace of the poor-law c onsissionere, returns hums the Flab Encumbered Ears a Commis:ins, sad papers relating to New Zealand. Lied MOUNTCASHELL pat.rosed his antis relative to the late itregelarisies on booed the S Arson emigratics ship till to-morrow (this day.) Tagil looJaltipa adjourned at 7 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—Tiwasoat, 2.lAucti 14. The Sr•mcza tork tb cult a few minutes bflure fear o'clock. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PREiEN TED. POST ontct.—By Mr. SIUN TZ. tram Wroslngbant ; Mr. HAMILTON, from Sligo, and another turns Armagh ; Mr. LOCKHART, from • ;dem in Duesirronthire ; Major BERESFORD, from Braintree; Mr. ELLIOTT, from a pisre le Savaged; Mr. BAILLIE, from Inverness; Mr. YORBES. from 'several plague is Ihirliagshire ; Mr. CARD WELL from s dissentieg cosertga•ion in liv,rpool. against Post-elfin labour and the trans ttarion of ma Is on Sunday-. TIM NATIONAL LAND COMPANT.—Bv Mr. O'CONNOR, bon upwards of 200 members of the N Atonal Lend CAD 'any retidif g la Manchester, against the winding. op of the warm. Thu WINDOW DrrY.—Br Mr. MASTERMAN, from London, for the rapist o' the window duty. Taira ox Isowtsnos.—By Mr. BECKETT, (yrs Torch, Mr. F. O'CONNOR, from Nmiicglsar, for the npeal of Vse taxes= knowledge. Thames. tx InahanD —By Mr. HAMILTON, from the eminsy of Loasteoft, complaining of distress, sad praying kr the repeal of the proulaw, and • reimposition of pro. Mastro duties. MAZZIAOII BILL —By Sir R. INGLIS, from o parish in Ir eekS111,11; Mr. ELLIO r, iron a she* in Scotland ; Mr. WOREGOR. from Olagow ; Mr. PE 10, from Norwich; Mr COWAN. from Stirlingsbire, from Elisburgh, and from the musty of Edinburgh, against the bill for ',galls ng montage wilt • deceased wiled sister. COCNTT FINANCIAL BOANDI —By Dlr. W. PATTEN, from North Lsr.cashire ; Sir W. JOLLIFFE, from • b ard of guardians in the county of Anriesea; Mr. W. MILES, from the guarolians of the anion of Cardiff, in favour of gouty financial hsards. Parrot's' L•roca —A great number of petitions were protested wears the relay system in factories. By L r 4 J. RUSSELL • petition from factory workers, lo favour of the play system, so as to extend tits period of work's,/ to 14 hours a day. Mr. BRIGHT said he had a petition on that subject km the workpeonle of Myers. Haig and Co. of Dewsbury; bat the petii to beim" in a printed form, the rules of the Lase would not allow him to present It. GUARDIANS OF STOCKPORT UNION. Mr. T. EGERTON presented a petition from the board of poor•law guardians of Stockport Union, compl.lniag of great itreoularity at the last election for guardians, by reason of thy clerk of the union having allowed and disallowed votes, and praying the how, to direct the evidence taken by Sir. Austin rotative to the said election to Ist printed. Mr. BAINES said, in consequonee of a req ' 'ea Sons the guernians, the poor•lew board institute.' an inquiry Into the irregularities complained of. He had no otjection to predate the evidence, but it wee so lengthy that be thought it wu not adenoid*, on ti.e score of expense, to print it. GREENWICH HOSPITAL. Mr. DUMB al.o move d for a return of the prime? various articles of fn , d, clothing, and household stone bought for the use of the 11 iyal Residual at Or,inwich, and of the rate of wages paid to artisans employed in that establishment ; together with the mints of proridone at littnleas Hospiral ; and of bread and meat bought by the commissariat depart ment during each of the years 1836 to 1E49 inclusive (in continuation of a statement In parlratentary paper, No. 189, of sr siton oar') REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE. On the mstion of Mr. Bournars, a return was ordered meting forth an edeout of the public incense and expendi ttir, in each rear from 1821 to 1849 both inclusive. INTER)dENTB IN ST..MAROAREI"B CHURCH- isßp. Mr. C. LUSHINGTON seal he thonrlot it hie duty as one of t'e members for the city of Westminster to put a questinn to the Noble lord (Lord Ashley), as • member of tae Board of Health, of which he had given but a 1120111011- tau notice, because the cause of it had only just arisen; and he put the question under the ibliuenes of diegant at an set whirl% onset that moment in actual perpetration. Ae he wan rOTiling to perform his duty in that house he passed throuih St. hiergatet's churchyard, and under the tower of the chureb, and within a few yards of that how, le saw an own gr,ve ready for the interrarnt of a eorpse. (Hear, hear.) Now. it bring in evidence that interment. is Sr. .largaret'e courehyard were injarioas to the h..ath of moo. hers of that louse, and also to society I. geoend, be begrd leave to sok the ae:ble lord whether the Board of Health lad any power to put an sod winch a nui,ar.c - : ? Lnrd ASHLEY did not wonder the the hon. gentleman protested against the coolinsance of the horr:d system of in. trammel int. ratata, gad he hoped that he and other gentle men wool! direct their atteetiun to the report of the Board of H^del on the subjact, ilist they might ere in all its lesgth and breath the Roam of the spasm. He in grettsd to Pay that , he hoard possessed no power whatever. Mr. OOULBUUN observ.d the', with regard to St. Mu. gnu'. Chweryard, he had b, to io oommanseatiou with the parbh sattieri , les, a..d was maurrl by them that they were about t purehlaa • Initial ground in the country. B.r G. GREY 'aid bs had had a romosuric Won with the Dean of Wes darer, .who it f 'fated him that they were aNly wahin4 to au. what parli,ineut should d tide on as to letainnea's gaa,erally. The shit ropurt refernd to by toe moblo lord bad ant lowa Icy g is th hands of gov tomcat, bat a belt, founded on that re p..rt, was being prepared, and le hoped , ould .insa he introdeetd. 110% , SMUT OF RUSSIAN TROOP!. Mr. AMSTIOT, Sitar relents g in the question his had pot L ri rilseevAbit, • few days ors, all or h deowoi 01 Ow Resits troops ifo6ll the Mesabi's' provisoes, sad the answer given by the motile lord—asked whether, ivied thing had to this condition of the Turkish frostitr oil that aide, and the 'store and imposing force of the squw yin now fa Ike *stirs of the Levant, it was the tots stints of the oo votossat to wltlaritow that squadron Wan Lb* Russia. -~: troops bad evacuated the Densities to the convection of BaltAmaa. Viscount PALMERS sah; Ya bed ststaii i kontral to the loniser questi.on , thit cn assurance hod bemitiven . by the Remits' government to this goverment of Ter sr teat the umber o f troops in those prettiness w ould be rednotd, is ressordeeee IP kik Use staralatioas of the oaavitatiota, as. sooa as the state of the weather and the roads permitted. Be bad no reason to doubt that that arrangement would be carried into effect; but the stadia' of the novices into the ffltditerrasean had so reference whatever to that Vesamtion • Mr ANSTEY asked if there was say intention at present of withdrawing the squadron from tools water. Viscount PALMERSTON said it was probable they would proceed to Malta when tee service on which they were engaged hod been performed. HUNGARIAN REFUGEES. Mr. OSBORNE pre notice tho., on an early day, be should put a question to the noble lord (P•interston) re 'peening the vestment of the iltusgarim refugees by the Austrian 'c.v. tamest. THE GRECIAN BLOCKADE. Mr. 0. BANKEd asked whether the blucunde at Athens still continued or not ? Viscount PALMERSTON said there bad never been whet could rrictly be valid a blockade in any of the ports of Greece. A blockade meant the prevention of the entry or egress of any vessel. whether toticrou to that country or neutrals. No such blockade had ever been established la the Piteous. What had taken place was this: the Greek vessels bed been prohibited from leaving the port; hut that mewling bad been discontinued, by an order of Sir William Pa. ker, on the lot of this month, in corm qui-cc,! of a cow. inuniesti from her Majesty's government, announcing the of offer and the official romeranze of the good offices of Frame. • THE FACTORY ACT. Lord ASHLEY, in moving her leave to introduce " a bill to declare the intentions of that legislature in respect of the hours and mode of working under the factory acts," said it .ou'd not be necessary for him to detain the house by any lengthened statements or arguments; the cue was may simple • and he would endeavour to despatch it as speedily es possible. In 1847, a bill had been poised reducing the bows of labour in factories from 12 to 10 hours a day for all pumas under eighteen yens of age. That ball consisted of act se two douses to be engrafted on the act .11844, leaving all the provisions of that actuntouched, except by the limita tion stove stated. By the set of 1844 the peeled of labour swallowed to range from 61 am. to 81 p.m.-15 hours ; but dime was &chose reqairiog that the labour of all young posses should be reamed fro is the hour at which they enamenced in the morning, and shoul t not exceed 10 hours a day. The result was to make the lab ur of young persons continuous from the time at which they b. gun ; hence the system of relays and shifts under that into quotation of the section was altogether impossible. Ater the palming of the eat of 1547, it was dinovered by same parties that those 'mei ma which die- clod the p. Cud at which the labour of children and young persons should commence were not so stringent in their wording as to precede altogether the employment of relays. In a vrtein r.umber of mills relays were iatrodseed; upon that • ry great discontent arose, very great toutunon, and a great number of therm tiktory decisions. illsgietrat..s at Bradford took one view ; them at Manchester took an o ther; all over the country I there were contradictory decisions; Bed no man working a sill knew exactly what the law was. logs -eiors, acting on th it own interpretation of the act, end Wined g that relays ' were altogether forbidden, eroceeded against the parties on that ground ; but they w. re of en defeated by the decisions of the mirth To prevent this confusion it was considered desirable that a ease shniallf be tried in one of the .upesior courts; ft was tried in the Court of Exchequer ; the melt was a decision adverse to the interpretation given by the in spectors; and Mr. Baron Parke, in ginner the judgment of the court, dec:ared that the words et the net were not sufficieutly stringent to carry icto effect what they very . strongly conjectured mist have ben the intention of the legislature. Believing that the intercii;tion of shifts and relays wm the in . inien of the legisla ore, he now asked leave to introduce a bill which 'helod c ary that intention into ffect. He bad little et no doubt that the gielature intended the labour of eh young persons employed in factories to be relieved from the', time at which that lebeur began, sed sot to be taken by pens and parcels, with considerable interests, then by cauelug their detention in the milt for full 15 hour. a day. Mr. Boon Parke, in his judgment, showed clearly enough that the opir ion of the court was, that the legislature meant to interdict tells; be said, " It is cot enough that we conj. e- ' lure, even strongly, th .t it was the in emit n of the legisis tun to have protdoited the act ; as i is a penal act, there must be worms indicating this plainly and clearly ; and ap plying this rule of construction we do not think there are weeds in the statute sufficiently plain and clear to render the conduct of the defendant liable to punishment." In the last tame, in D.os, saber ISE), et Mr. inspector Horner, he said, " I can speak from positive knowledge, that it was the intertien of tin framers of the bill of 1841, that the working by shifts, which bud been prettiest under the act of 1533. should be prevented " He added When the bill of 1541 was preparing, the in- 1 specters were celled u; on by the cemetery of state of that day (Sir James Graham), to suggest an enactment which should remedy the eel. et in the act of 1O33; and they oil so." In the iollowicg year, doubts hasiog meat, the ton ter was brought by toe inspectors lettere the secretary of state (Sir J. Graham), sad he direeto his under secretary to write to the limp , coon, tellino them that in his view tilt it interpretation of the law was correct, and that, in fag, ra lays were interdicted, es the time of wishing of young per sons mum be reek sued tom their starting. Hera use the toll testimony of the framer. as to the intention with which they propounded the bill; and he woul l appeal to all mem. b •rs of the house woo were member. is 1544, es tithe inteoti with whica they voted for it. (Hear.) He had received a letter from a gentleman, giving In a ftw weeds, a graphic account of the privations sad loses to which the people were exposed by this system. Lie said, I have been to-day to • see sme of the factories when the so called system of relays is carried on; god I have seen such evidence of the evils t f that mode of wcokiag that I cannot refrain :root pouring out my feelings to you. In one factory I ((rood 335 young persons sod women work ing by relays. They are sent out at different times of the day so as to bring the actual woraten within ten hours. They are sent out of the mill without any regard to their dinettes Item their homes, or the state es the weether. (II ear. beer.) Some of them, I un dentood, lived two miles utf, and thus the half-hour, or hour or two hours, could not possibly be tar, e 1 to any good account whatsoever. TO, lads of 13 up to 18, and the young girls and women are wandering all about the air. eta ; scd to what temptations to vice end profligacy no y ere thus exposed I need nut say." The manager of on , of the mills op Om of the einem with abhorrence, end he told me that one of his own daughters is exposed in another mill to all those mis chiefs. He and others say that the fanny laws never worked iso oppressively on the osrrarives as now. Another very strong argument against 'ho system was the utter ims peribility of detecting evasions of the law, end the glen facility which it gave employers for occupying the partite all the time, or fur extending the test hours to eleven or twelve. He could not cement" the grounds on which any re infinite could be of fend to this measure ; he eeuld not tinning or anticipate any argument against it. He knew that every hostile top'. and anument urged in 1841 and 1547 bad been Lot only falsified, but acme al, reversed, (Hear, hear.) After two years' experience of the Ten Hours' Bill, he would undertake to show that every 41161111 prediction had been falsified—that every lone fit hod resulted where every evil bad been foretold. (Hear.) In 1844 and 1847 com plete ruin to the manufacurieg interest was fentold should a ten boon' bill pass. The Eleven Hoare Bill had been in operation three years; the Ten Hones' Act hod b....ea in operation two years all but six weeks He would appeal to all who heard the speeches of hen. gentlemen on one mi nisterial side of the house on the 'test right of the session, whether the prediction of complete ruin to the menu( .c -luring interest had in any degree been verified? (Hear, hear) fled not speeches of the most glowing character announced the prosperity of the manufacturing districts lie eh odd be glad to hem of :any rent in which the predictions of those who opposed the m &sure had been veri fied, or where its supporters had been at Molt when they snorted that no berm whatever would theme from It Taking the other view, which was w. II worthy the attention of the house, he should be able to show that there had been seek an improvement in the moral, social, and physical con ' Melon of the people employed in the mil's, as he could hardly leave behoved to have resulted from a measure of that Mia ad so short a time, had be not bad it on good authority. Hs seuld produce testimonies enough to occupy the atten us. al *a house for a fortnight ; but he would only gin UM Of two, orienting the house to regard them te s Tesentaties instances. First, bad been said wages be reduced, in many /1111411C.1., to the minimum sl astaistaace. In some instanots , hey hod been reduced, but is so case in proportinn to the redue ion of time--one-sixth. He had a statement from one mill, the general result nil which wee, that in the sinning department the n duei as of time had been one-six h, the reduction of ' work, one tenth ; that the total loss per week on every pels of mule, working ten hours as compared with 12, was but that 6s. bad to be divided emotion four parties, so that the lots to r mit was no very c• said. table am one. But in the same mill, on the weaving side, it WV jost the revel's: there the gain one pair of mules re we• k, in ten hours as compared with 12, was st. and firceifeithe of a piney ; hour, tl.e mill.owntr himself added in a note—" gennal improve ment in the whole of the hands by toll 60 per cent." In another mill the reduction in the weaving &ointment, under ten hour., as empanel with twelve, was only one-eleventh,—on the thin:line. side, one- ointh.l A return from Manchester stated that the anions :clue+ -I was not more than one twenty fourth port on the w tole, in working 10 se compared with 12 hours. In some intoner, ' the wages had Veen reduced, bat is no toe the air.h, sod in some they had rises ; te here there had been a newt-MN it had been in the proportion of l 17th to 1 24th. But how had that reduction been comp - nested? He bad nand is 1814, that if the bouts of labour were reduced to ten, and the weep s in proportion, the work reple would hem ere than enabled to men this reduction by their nosegay, et d would find themselves in a far better poetioti; ant they were prepared to abide the reduction, even dad it taken piece to the full eaten.. They had doge m thin eneke a rompe wittier, ; they were better cif now with the red ileit,ll he had indicated and 10 hours' 'sheer, than t: ey w.r, o 12 hour.' lahour end higher wages--better in a pecuniary Leine of view. (Hem, hear.) He had en instance sop plied by an operative himself, whiele wee stated to he a very fair picture of the effect of the Ten !tours Ant upon wire and the mama of egonernieing. U d r the Teeny, Hours Act a sus, his wife, arid seven children enact weekly 2f. 1k ; deducting fr. m this 10• for Voir not Of other tap aces, there remained 21. 6.. Th. yre guise din tee entree tel the week 26 me la—four for five on, •, sod ten f r two days—for when they were working lull time (nor meals were indispensable; on Saturdays sod Sludgy' three A! tsar sok' time 26 a. 14 sensed the while' that remolded, and - ifft safettatitete family entllog /anther thlaip. The viryliaase pasties were now way*, reader*Union !Ai tits 'Tea Huts Act. Allowing that there was • reduction of 7d per cent., which was above the average, is the 'wages; the total Is coigns of the family would he 31 lie. per week. Deducting, se before, 10s. for rent, and other expositor., it left 21. Is. Now, in steed el 26 then were usiy 91 meals required, width at brombi It down to 11 16.. 31d. The saving, -am the' moils, headman they tad cal y three Meese& of few la the day, amouated tq ds. 81- an d *ea seats is this tart oossideratillri tibial: was well we thy the coosideraticia of the noose, namely, that the eldest females better so looser confined to tke mill. for ml. wide Ina, were able to make their owe' dream and mader Sernlellele by whisk a Navin of at least Bd. • week MIS was ellsehed. (Hear hear.) Then wee a positive navies themes" of 6s. 4d .. • week. In the neat place. it era. argued that a man able sod williag to work would Rollos able to lay by anything against the evil day. It was parketly elear,lodeed, that he meld lay nothing by daring the date of things previous to the wean of the Ten Hours Act, because if he even amid save fn. a week be had more than that to pay in extra expenses. But was that the case now J He regretted that he had no statements of the money deposited in the savings busks ; hut he had received important staismeuts from the clerks of some sorieties in differ , at parts of the manufacturing districts, which showed the improved state of the finaglers of the people in cantiqueee ot the opererion of the Yen' hours' bill. The clerk of the St John's Female Society said that their society consisted of 300 members, of whom 17-20 the were factory worker , . In 1846 7 the deficiercy upon the receipts amt tinted to 41., but in 1848 9 the balance over the expenditure amounted to 441. ; and they expected an equal surplus is the present year. The clerk of the Bt. Jones's School Club states There are 400 members. From 1843 to 1847, much difficulty is coveting the expenditure ; but, in 1848-49, income. 731. ; expanses, 461 ; helmet., 271." He adds—" Same results otserved is many other societies. My opinion ir, that a great saving has been effected here, sad toe general health of the population considerably im proved since the Ten Hours Bid came into operation. The working slaws appear more disposed to clesnfiners and , sobriety." The (Meer of the Old Fellows' Boasts , of Wesleyan' Nays:—" We, the oMeers of the (Mende& Sick Society, do certify that the fends of the sick society have increased coneidersbly during the time of the Ten Hours Bill, sad we attribute the cause of it in feevoarof the members hav leg more time for recreation and working shorter time." The next statement was this, end it was important to those who desired to improve the conditien of the working 'kw e and thought that that. should be a wider system of nelionsl education fur the working cla sec No argument had hum urged more strongly both in private audio public meshed the Ten Hour.' Bill than this that the workers would make as ill use of the time that would be granted to them. Where was the evids nee of any such result ? No doubt amoopt to large a mass of pen ins time few ins eons might be adduced where they had rot turned to god account the pre st blessing the y had received in that bill, but that was not the sees with the great majority who were actuated by a desire to make the best use of the time allowed them. 'rho statements he received, and which he would read to the house, proved that in the most satisfactory manner. He had abandantevidence from clergymen of the Church of Beg. load, schoolmesten, dissenting ministers of all desomina• tiou, all of whom spoke the same language in this matter. First, as to the females had they misused their time ? Here was the statement of a clergyman: " We have now 100 grown pals geing to school, who learn to read, 'elite, knit., and sew, and who in fact learn everything that they could net learn under tree pressure of the twelve hears set. (Hear, hear.) You may see women now, who are clean and renfortable, and engaged in their domestic duties." He recollected to have seen in a late report of Mr. Ilernerfa, a statement to the 'Met, that several dresemakets had given up their business since the limitation of the hours, because the young women h.d now time to make taeir own clothes. (Hear.) The clerk to a burial society in one of the towns of Lancashire wrote to him, and steed that the number of burials for two years had fallen off considerably, r.otwitte standing . the cholera raged in the town, and that the diminution wee in the number of children under five years of see, and the he ascribed to the eircurretani• that the mothers were able to go borne earlier, and give that attention to their chi& leen which no hired service could ever bestow. (Hear, hear.) . Now, with regard te the mode in which the melee ovum, d their time, here was statement which he had r. ceived from a person who had been Meek to varietal deietie a lur many years:—" In cone action with some of the mills young men's improvement societies, in weeich are tauteht the rudimenes of the language, and also • sound knowledge of mechenics, geometry, the minty, and genera literature. These societies are s dely demented by the y , ung men's private contributions." Ilavilig quoted various authorities, showing the beneficial manner in which the time saved by the Ten Hours Act was generally 'peat by men, the noble bred went on to say—The Rev. Mr. Snerples, of Blackburn, nye, that immediately after the purse of the Ten Hours Act, school rooms it:creased on all sides, and there was a gust increase in tt.e attendance. From Behan he had been informed Chet the number of per sons attending, schools and meet nnies' Meta utions was now more than dcuble what it hid been h fore the Ten Hoare Act. (Hear.) And here was the atria:tiny of two Remota Catholic priests of B diem and S otkport, en which he set prose eters. One of these clergymen sat s:—" There is not the Lightest doubt that the sects', moral, en f physittel conditioa of the factory. workers has been much improved. Under the shill !system these advantages would be destroyed. I am of opinion that the Ten HOW/ Bill 111 owe of the best measures ever passel." (11 , at, bear.) A change had come over the minds of many re. SO •s ohs were formerly opposed to the measure. Kr. Rol s, of Huddersfield, who was formerly en opposest of toe measures, declared, in reference to some persons who bad twee convicted before him of evading the law, that he would on ell occasions enforce the 1 sus with the utmoe rigour, that the Ten Hours Act had produced much good, and that the people universally lived b tar and appeared brit. r than under the Twelve Hears Act. That was the testi• stony of one opponent, and, he believed, that one hundred ethen were ready to give the same. He had n sus put before the house the statement of the case of the working men—he bad put before •he haute the arguments adduced against the Ten Hours Ball—he had given a complete re. (station to every one of these arguments—he had given a (deltic Wen to every predic im of the opponents of that measure ; end, having done this, he new asked that this error in legislation might be corrected—(hear, hear)—ae d that a law no fruitful in god re belts be confirmed without delay. (Hear.) This wee that question which, alter 17 years and upwards of advocacy, he row ramie proposed on behalf of the operatives of Lancashire add Yorkshire. Ile could hardly anticipate for it any present or future oppoei tion, and yet he was told that some attempt was to be made to qualify the demand or to Owe to it au evasive answer. But he for one was not prepared to accept any halfway concession—(hear)—nor did he believe that those whom he represented would be less resolute to maintain a certain goad than they had been during 25 years to pursue one that MS wholly centiomest. Her Majesty had lately invited people of all nations to coma next year to this couetry, to wittiest an exposition of all that the world cold 1 produce—every cuss, every preludes, every calling would entribute erne thing to show its peculiar industry. Let it be the work and industry of this house to stow a contented, s happy, and a well govern. d people. (Cheers.) You are not called on, said the noble lord in conclusion, to begin that Mewrl work afresh—it is Mutely halt accomplished, and y a are only now supplicated not to destroy it. (Cheer.) Sir, I formerly app. sled to the humanity of the le gin lature. I now go so no more. I stand upon oar Magna Charts. I stand upon our accorded rights ; and feeling convinced se I do from the bottom of my iota that this question concerns the temporal and eternal welfare of many thousanife, I apical alone in the name of Almighty 0.4 to the justice and to the honour of parliament. (le net cheers.) Mr. HOWARDS seconded the motion, the result of which wee le ek.d t 3 with the greatest iuterest and anxiety by the operatives in the annueezturing difericte. hear.) As a proof of thet let them lo,k to the venue., where many of these operatives were at thee moment. (Cries of "Order.") If he was " out of order," it was from ignorance of the rules of the house. (Hear, hear) But he Could state that the people were most mittens ahnut the result of this measure. Tao question having been put, ' Sir O. GREY sail, though he 'had certainly indulged the hope that after the repeated did-lesions which at various time had taken place on the much disputed question of the restriction applying to hones of labour of certain classes of perserd employed —thmigh he had hip d after these discus sions that they had arrived at a settlement of that question, and that it would not be scum iry to revive spin that which all persons, to a certain degree, should and did deprecate because the Testiest could not Ise considered without necessarily placing in antogoniem el whose interest it WWI to combine—ye t, notwithatand lig all that, he was ready to admit that his noble Iris red who hale duce cl the motion, under existing circumstances and under the present state of the law in reference to the quer , . Lion before the en, war justified in comb g before that boson and a eking for the epplication of a remedy fo- what he believed to be an existing evil. (Hear, hear.) Hs noble fiend certainly had said hut little, if anything, in reference to the mature e the run , dy which he wished to have sp , plie d ; and he (Sir 0. Grey) had to c elect from the speech el his noble friend the pa port of that remedy. However, for time If, and looking back to the part which he had +lien on former recede, a in sew rt ire the existing reetrie duos en the labour of these employed is favorite, he would eindidly admit that, whilst some amendment of the law was expedient, and whilst it would be of great impoetence that such an amendment should he propmed and adopted with the coecure nee of those who former) y entertained dies fere rit, though reasonable and need' rife, views on the clues tens, still be wan not prepared, eau the part be had previously taken, to proem* or advo-ate any amendment of the law which would let ieconsistent with the act of 1847, which No drily referred to women and ehililren. (Hear, hear.) It might be desirable, in considering the present miratioo, to refer briefly to the exiting of that cow. Wdeout mine breond the 3rd and 4th Wil .1V , they found it resetei "that no young per. n seeuld week at night," d, finition of "piglet" applying to the hours dween 11.1 f pot five in the evening and pest eight the followide rte. mine , thus giving a period of 15 hour,. we bin whieb y croons might reprieve OT elOy thi 11111 ) rem. ho the 2,01 be Cti 1 of the set it was pruiille hat no youeg paces seteuld be e mployed longer than 12 hours, including the h elf-hours slimed foe tie ale. by the 7& 8 V.a, parsed in 1844, the set weigh HA uobte fri •ed semen to ern, nd OD the present OXIIII , III, we men were for the fi•-t time classed with reed; potions, and beenme eel je de el tee siteiler restrietione. The sectieue 30 and 31 re-imitate] the ileum of labour for Mahler.; and as re garde 4 (Waren he were the ages of 8 end 13, no alteration in she hot .ek it, was asked f, r. At premot el.il.lcen worked by the system of " relays," to shish no FRIDAY EVICI4INO, MARCH 15, 1850. objeedsa Wert belied, as It induced so preeticil elificulty. Tne fglh eiMign of the act regulated that the hours of work for children and young panes should be masted from the time when they began work in the monde( to the time they lett It off in the evening. His noble friend affirmed that it was the intention of parliament, in adopting the 28th 'anion, that not only the commeneesatiat at the hours of labour of all should be the sense, buellettettnr sentlesons employ. =nit of all within the specified horn was pls. contemplated. (Heir, hear.) No doubt conflicting delete= were pro- nounced by the various megletrenn nut ether ftanctionasies before whom cams were submitted es regarded the construe• tine of the claw. Bat he (Bir G. Grey) asserted that the law could only be taken from sad declined by the public courts of jorirdiction—though, in the first instance, sub mitted to these inferior tribensie—aad that the decision of the superior courts was that wistelicras to be relied on as the true constriction of the law. On a late occasion, the Mused the Court of ll:chequer unanimously decided that the construction put upon a clause of the very act in question wan not a true seen:tie ion, end that neither would it be legally possible to obtain a conviction spinet the wive who had violated that which had been previotely supposed to be the correct anntrection of the clause. (Hear, hear.) However, he (Sir G. Grey) felt bound to say that the construction of the clause, as lately laid down by the Court of Exchequer, in hie opinion, musts* highly injurious, and calculated to effect the very opposite of benefit to the workicer elate a. (Hear, hear.) Tee notion, it would eppeer, fixed the ante hour for the commencement of work for all, but did not Si the hour at which it. was to termleate, and, consequently, the interval of repose remelted quits unelefloe d, and, as it were, unprovided for. (Hear, hear.) lie believed his noble friend (Lord Ashley) stated correctly and without exaggeration the true state of feeling amongst the walking claws, and their desire that the law 'house be made as elm as possible on the subject, and that the legislature should interpose and render certain by amend. ment or enactment the true construction of the law. (Hear, hear) The object of the limitation of the hour. of labour had been referred to e; and which object he conceived to be of a twofold nature. The first object he Leek to be a physical one, and the second a morel one. As regarded the physitai object, it was not his (Sir G. Grey's) intention then to revive a discus-nos in reference to It, or to go into the amount of injury that had been inflicted on society by it. However, he might state it would be in the recollection of the beets that one of the main grounds on which his aoble friend (Lord Ashley) advocated the short hours of labour. was the physical Injury which excessive labour occasioned to pawns en engaged, and the deteriora thin of health, b )(lily langour end shortened lives of those reelected to such excessive labeur. In destine with the physical &Intim), be should differ with his noble Mold an thieking that the system of relays and shifts was ne cessarily praductive of physical injury; and Lenin. he so differed with him, he would jest state the difference between the systems. The relays consisted in the con- Suttees labour of all the persons employed in the same set. But then there were different ate, commencing week at different timer, and none welting longer than ten hours. Now, with regard to the shifts, the ease was different. Ceder that system the PM* persons might be em ployed the lull fifteen hours allowed by law, tbeugh they could not be compelled to work longer than the ten hours specified. As regarded the system of shies, he should say toe noble lord had overreached he ob. jections raised against it on physical menthe though the system was certainly more open to grave objections than was that of relays. (Hear, hear.) He would now come to the morel objection, and he should say he fully and entirely agreed with much that fell from his noble friend. How ever, he should say that, in speaking of the state of the law, his noble friend lost sight of the distinction of classes' employed in factory lab or. ( Hear, hear.) His noble friend did not appear to see that, Innate the intention of pariia mint with regard to women and children, it was nut in bit (Sir G. Grey's) opinion their intention to place restrictien on adult make. (Hear, hear.) As regarded the moral ob it. then. no doubt it was the intention of the promoters tf netririon on hours of labour to promote the social and morel condition of the working dames by affording them periods in the day which they might devote to instruction, Intel reereatioe, or attend to their domestic dull v. (Hear, h. at.) He (S rG. Grey) felt hound to state, and he stied it with deep satisiattion, that the result in • mend point f view was ell that the most sanguine cool I have anticipated. (Loud cries of "Hear, bear!') Now, in justice to the grey mildoeners and manufacteren, he should say that that happy result was in a great =enure owirg to their concurrence ; and he thought it was but due t the m to make that acknowledgement. (Hear, hear.) As an illustration of the shift system, he begged to give a ease in point, premising that he had had extensive communic,tion with iespators of prisons and other public functionaries to ascertain what treasure could be proposed to off. et the main object which all had in view. Now, as a Glee in point, under the 26. h action of the act, the mill owners were oblioed to summon all parties to wrrk at the same hour. They then dinied their work ing claws into six sets, who were each required to draw cut an " end" (with the meaning of which plasm.' he supposed the manufacturing gentlemen were acquainted) after the first set hal workel six been ; and they were thee' eirected to leave the mill and not appear again urea next ' day at eight ceel ck He gave that as an illustration to shcw that, though the parties we re not overworked, still they were obliged to be in attendance, and the law was thus com p lied with. The question to consider was in what way the benefit intended to bar clererred en the working classes could he secured by an amendment of the law calculated to do the least Misty to all classes. He (Sir 0. Grey) had stated that he was not prepared to produce or menet to any amend. went inconsistent with the act of 1847, and which would not be consistent with the &Vein= nt of the main object which its promoters had in view, namely, the opportunity of affording tt • work ing classes p-nods for instruction and recreation, which mould be best attained by devoting a few brute in each evening. (Hear, hear.) New it struck him (Sir G. Grey) that from the courn his noble lii-nd had adopted, he was favourable to the tee coistinuons bouts bill. He did out eti the length of nyinc that the lune^ ions of his noble feeril wet. clearly expressed on the meths of that bill. Now, in the present me, his noble friend did not introduce a de claratory bill on the subject; he wee perfectly urrestreinid in the course welch he thought fit to pursue. He called oar the house to pass an amended law remedying the act at present existing. (11.er, hear.) He (Sir G. Grey) should ay be would certainly offer no opposition to the introduc tion of a hill on the subject. (Hear, bur ) lie had already declared that he conceived amendment desirable, aed that it was important to combine classes and parties holding different opinions on the question, in order to afford 'ho the working classes fug benefit in the time which they would be allowed, and which they might think fit to devote, eitle rto instruction or amusement. (Hear, hear.) In consenting to the introduction of the bill of his noble friend, be did nut bind himself to the a toption of the specific remedy proposed by him. On that subject be must keep himself unfettered. At the same time he was happy to concur with him in such an amendment, as would attain the main object It was tee earnest desire that such an amendment of the law would be found practicable, wit, out briegieg into cullinen ine rests which were eventually dependent or cog. nderini any ill feeling between the master and the operative; and the c mmeuications which be had had with the parties ten caned, had led him to the belief that that nit would not be incurred. He earnestly hoped that the issue of the propo sition of his noble friend would be the bringing about a satisfactory smendment of the law on that point, with respect to which amendment had become necessary. Mr. G. BANKES regretted that the government were not prepared to give an answer to the pie sent implication. The matter was cow in a position which was alike injurious to misters and operatives. He hoped the house would have the advautage of being enlightened by the right bon. gentleman the former Secretary of State for the Howie De partment as to the state of the case at the time of the passing of the ao , t in 1814. If these whc had had Frankel expe rience would rise and point out to tint any great mischief. or difficulties which had arisen front the working of the new system, be would yield a patient and humble attention ;%hut in the tannin, of such opposing testimony, he felt bound to support a bill which appealed to him to be naught with benefit to the operatives. Mr. 111. GIBSON said his object in rising, was to guard against the supposition that by consenting to the introduction of this bill he PLC ioned the plan she dewed forth by the noble lord. He used the words " sha dowed ferth" because the noble lord bed not explained in • definite and clear manner the precise mauve of the scheme which he proposed. (Hear, hear.) So far as he understood the noble lord's plan, it did not seem to him likely to obt,in the sanction of the house. He admitted that in its pre: eat state the law required some alteration. (Hear, hear.) Ile believed that toe whole difficulty aeon from the circum stance that the chutes of a Twelve Hours Bill were imported without due consideration into a Ten Hours Bill. Parlia ment, in fact, did little mere then substitute "ten" for "twelve," thus evincing, as %peal, what he must be permitte d to describe as the little consideration with which that house had dealt with great and imp want interests. (Hear, hear.) lie die not know precisely whetherthe Twelve 11-urs Bel prohibited relays and shifts or not; some thought that it did, and such, he admitted, might have been the intention elan framer.. But, in truth, the effect of the clauses of the Twelve Hours 1111 was never thoroughly tested on it there arose a necessity or dente to have rte , urbe to the relay aye• tem under the Ten Hours Bill; and when the Ten ileum Bill came to be worked with the clauses imported lute it from the Twelve Hews Bill, it was anted that the probable intentions of the. framers of the lest peas oars wire not i serried out, and the courts 'bed deeidedsthat the r lay syn.= was not prevented. He never thought that the clauses of the Twelve Hours would work with a Ten Hours Bill. Ou the framer; of the measure e who had ur - dertaken to regulate employment in rectories, must net the blame of the diffieulties which had arisen. They supplied the law and were responsible for it. The manufacturers and millownere were not j ugly chargeable with having aught to evade the lew. hluch s as they :night have objected on premien to 1, gielstive interference with the hour of labour. he heti. Ted he might 'declare with truth that they had, lair then-04.page earnestly desired to carry out honestly the Itentions o the 1 gislaturt. (Hear, hear.) Ile theught trOnoble lord's pp. ech was on the whole marked by what rfelit be celled a &misled anti seethe. ntal tone. (Laughter, Ire m the house, tied " Hear, hear," from Lord Asnli y) It wee not ati;,tech nand to the character of that assemble — (ben, heer)—witich was a business and prettiest assembly. dive, e. l nein, to whatever bore on is • physical ar.d morel wel are of the bulk of the pepuhe ion, but not to be addressed Mll:rat a wine n•• and impassioned imposts, end with a Venue of re; resentetions which, he was certain, the nobk lord hitos.lf wield, on calmer reflection, feel to have beer. enggerated. Nit having the di tails of the cob's lord's UV more before him, without saying that the law ought to rem tin as it stood at mien*, he ehouhl reserve to himself the right of offering any opposition which might seem to him desirable on the second reading. (Hess, hear.) Mr. F. O'CONNOR said that if the right hon. gentlemen who bad just spoken did not represent the mantstaetur.th of Manchester, he should be at . loss to theonelle hie conduct with respect to the measure under consideration with the motion rf which he had given notice, with regard to the instruction of the working elutes. There were tow gentle- men who traversed more through the manufacturing dis tricts than he had, and he could a•ure the house that he WWI Iptrfeetly astonished at the misery that he found to mast there. The honourable gentleman the member for Manchester should, wnen he went down to his consti tuents, apotopise tor the vote which he wee about to give on the bill. He defied env man to come to a oonclualoa to ♦ots against the proposition of the noble lord. without being looked upon as an enemy to the circulation of knowledge and the eountay in general. The hon. member concluded by stating that he need scarcely have offend any ebeervation on the subject after the powerful speech which had been made by the noble lord the member I.r Bath. Sir It. H. INOLIS said that be did not eke for the par . pose of lattliDt into the temper of the speech of the hon, gentleman who had just sat down, but to defend, If any defence was necessary, his noble (tined from the clime made by the right hun. gentleman the member for Man chester, who accused him of yielding too much to his enthu siastic seal. He believed that nothing good was ever effected in this world, except by enthusiasts. Every reform that had been made had been carried by men who, when they sgi. Wed, were looked upon "u enthusiasts. The speech which had been delivered by his noble friend, and which was designated by the right hon. met._ her for Man chester as that of an enthusiast, was filled with fare which perhaps that tight hon. gentleman may yet have an opportunity of contradictiog. Whether his noble friend had been an enthusiast or tot, it was quite clear that in three years after he brought forward his fen Hours bill, there were fitty night schools established in Leeds. Mr. BRIGHT uid that all must admit that the bill pro. posed to be brought in was intended to settle what was in some degree au nneatist.cory s•ate of the law. He bad not risen for the outpost of enuring into the main qui stion, but ra'he r to express an c pinion, which be was anxious to do at that early stage of tee disettsion, on a point which he thought to quite as much importance as the question of the particular words to he introduced into the bill, or the 'sect time during which factories were to ne permitted to work He was, es the hones knew, connected in bulkier+ wilt concerns which cam under the operation of the Factory Act, and of one thing he was most thereughts convinced, "tamely, that for the beneficial working of any factory legislation, it was of the first importance that it should pass that hems end become law, with a fair amount of concurrence on the part of the Pm; layers es well as ot the employed. Or.e of the great faults of the Ten Hours' Bid was that it had not had that ancurreece en the part of the employing close; and, without entering into sty di•. cession as to the hours. he would merely state that from his own experience and observation he could assure the house that the wrrking classes did not guin as much by the concession of half an hour or even of an hour in the time of warkinr, as they would pin by the operation of a law which was re ceived by the employers u a fair law, aid which the em ployers generally were willing to carry out in s fair spirit. (Hear.) He had k',own many cases lemo It, and, it be were at liberty to state detail+, he could coneinee the house that there were many cases sit which the working people in many concerns had been placed under disadvantages which they would not otherwise have suffered if this law Imo tot been carried to that extreme leneth which created hsetileafeelings on thepart of the capitalist dawn, nod induced teem to abstain (and the to were cases in wtich they did ab stain) from eaters., into • system of co-operation with the working people, which would he beneficial to them, and which would have ask n glace if the estrangement which had arisen out of the law had not existed ( Hear.) The noble lord had proved • great deal too much. Let him look hack to the year 1841, when the right hon. baronet the Mt other for Tamworth was in office. The nianu'acturing distri :is were tin it in deep dis tress, end hon. gentlemen cppotite Wesel almost to credit the heartrending details of the 'off( rises co the people. Atter the pod harvest of I'i42, some improve. mut was visible ; and in 1h43, 1644, and 1845, a great change took place, and it was observable that the chapels and the schools were much better ateehded. That imp "resent arose from causes which null woe he traced to soy tat ory act, and whether the act of 1817 had passed or n-c, aid other changes had taken place which did take ;due, the improved condition of the people woad here been hardly distinguishable from that which existed at the present memett. Ile thought that a prop Won on the ants; tioa introduced by the cot le lord should have come bet .re the house in sine shape or other, such for this reason, that mole r the present system the adult men ha.. some ground of complaint, inasmuch as the m. rain of from hell past five o'clock, a m , Lt half past eis ht n'emek, p.m., showed that a man may bra induct et. it not forced, to w rk more than 12—aye, more than 12 hours per day. Under the restrictions which had been fix. don lab or the employers were disposed, perhaps, to go a little further than they were inclined before this legisliwion had lesion place. Mills had b. en worked under the system of relays, and the men were worked tee whole of tee time while the mills were at work. The condition of thus men wee, then ore, worse than it was before this act was passed, ' when they were never asked to work mere than twelve hour.. Under these severe restrictions relays were intr. - dewed, and adults were works I more than twelve hours. He stmuid be sorry that a practice should arhe from any Con , ' whatever which would compel men to workirnore than 12 or 13 hours per day. Ile would now ask the noble had wheth. r,wi h the i Ounce which he possessed out of doors, representing as be did • large number of persona on this question, not a few of whom were willing to take • fair and a bread view of the question, it would net be pos-ihl- to come to some arrange ment which you'd meet with the concurrence of the rational of all parties. The hon. gentleman concluded by observing that it was for the purpose of bringing ahnut this freeing and this =As of settlemeet that he made this alyeal to the noble lord and to the house. (Hear.) Mr. AOLION HY said that this question was ins cf rra ann and argument, as well u of humanity mud good feeling. He agreed wi h the hon. gentleman who had just sat dower, in thiaking that some degree of harmony should (last between the employers and the employed, et the suns time that he differed wi h him in the conclusion that if iasteed of a ten hours bill, they were to allow tee op ratives to work for 11 hours or Ili he ore, they would be • bit nearer to that harmony which the hoe. member was Minn conscientiously desirous of producing. Len J. MANNERS said that after the Flinches which had been made on this matter he fat bound to state that he std those who supported th:s bill were quite resolved that there should be no compromise. He said that without the !east degree of heat, and without the ornallesc araiety to produce any ill-feeling between the classes who would be ads coed by this bill. The people of Lincashire, Y. fleshier, Steuart, and the north of Ireland hat at (moth see r many years working obtained what may 'e properly designated their Magna Charts, and they were resolved not to yieid one tittle or iota of it, and in that restive they would be backed by those representatives who essi.ted ise the passing of the Ten Hours Bill, and were now pr. pared to vindicate the course they hail taken. (Herr, bear.) Mr. W. J. FOX perfectly agreed with the hon. moth r for Manchester, that • satistectery settlement of this question lows have the concurrence of the employer and tho employed ; for not only was there the difficulty that arose fr m the di te 'mired pursuit of a cerwia object, against any compromise which should affect the ten hours, but there was also thi difficulty, that no plan was so likely to meet the views of all parties, se • reallocation of the scheme which had been to/Uteri to exist, whis h certeinly did exist in the generally understood inten tions of the legislature ; and which hail the concurrence of so large a proportion of those by whom the operatives were enrielot ed. Ho thought that these who resorted to the shift system were an exception to the role. The it spec ters had taken the ['pinions of masters and operatives on the different suggestions which had been made. Mr. Homer had taken the opinions of upwards of 50 misters. He found that 20 of them put. rred 10 hours, 22 preferred 11 hours, wed 15 inferred 12 hours, The same Maputo, had taken the opinians of men and women employed in the factories. The total number consulted was 1,163; the number of men was GM. Ot those 051 male operatives, 441 were for the 10 hems system, 96 foe the 11 hours,and 114 for the 12 hours. O 502 women, 272 wire for 10 hours, 51 ter II hours. and 179 for 12 home. So that the greater numb rof melee and females preferred 12 to 11 hours. lie also miireded in the opinion of the hon. member for klancheiter es to the cause at the present state of Minas in the m•uulac uri• g districts. Ile did not regard the 10 hours as the cause of the present state of things; ere ascribed it to those measures which had made fowl more cheap and more abondent, but be would remind the hon. member at the time time that the ore change would have enducod these results, had it not been we impacted by the other, end that no cheapness of fond could have given to the opt r owes the improvements of education and chamfer, of widen they had not been neglectful. He trusted that the noble lord who had introduced this discussion would adhere most strictly to his terms of not deviating one heti+ breadth from what had been understood to be the deeign of the eniaturcut of the law as it now existed. Lord R. GROSVENOR, who was very indistinctly heard, mid that he should not have said a single. word if it .tsinti.a.dm.tubeiutraiboLunial.fioiserth;aeswseurhnri,tleihnhoehw, .h 6l i m e t h ,,kla f . e y e a l ...o f g r b e i m bmr., t ,u h i j e i.:h, ri mtr o b;i h , t rry h t i r n al . the 0.10 of the joueneymem baler+, in the Wk et Riding ef Yorkshire wee told he was a consanuist. These accusat.oes uo used to throw a sort of shadow ost tho of thou who had shown oho' sort of opposition to the nide lord. lie expressed hie malefaction et the 'pooch, s which !lad biers made, by independent members thee evening. lied iics ehiog hod dam; ed his expectatinne but the speech of the Secretary of St to for the 1/ one Dthartment S.r J. GRAHAM explaitud that when thothill wit under viscuoior, he had, althoupt reluetanely.oorsethed to admit se clause prohibiting the 't stift'folyete tn, on the ground that the measure would bo otherwise nugatory. Ho dot net wish to r. vice the a. g:y oentrevere ire that were then woe.% but telieving the intention of the art at first, and of lewd Ashley hew, was to prevent the machinery of futuirs 1,9101 wo rking more than ten hours a day, his persuasion was only strtoptu , ned.by longer reflecti o n that the operatives thesis with s tamale' ultimately confess that it did the us harm ratita than good. interference with employment was at all macs L ahteliceteand dangerous eperati Mr EDWARDS was untie ritL.o.l to say that the opera. 'tine of Yorkshire and Ltheashith hy all constioutioaal mein., meant so to Improve oa the t .ov.rameht the nrCti• site of keeping faith with the promo , rs of the bill of 1847, that it would he impossible to resist it much longer. Cola', I THOMPSON sod that when this (pinhole wee first brought under discuilion, he was oppet d to it, consi dering it tai he as attack on shy manotacturing icterest Time had gone by, end pother the oerition if things hail changed. Ile had received instructions hem his consth Meats of various kinds; the operative eaters certainly; from various ducripti ens of snanutactuein g oap u ta t m „ . ia4 it did to hat pm that all these eommunicseion. minted one way. They all said that they were anitiOUS that the Ten Hour. Bill should be restored to its Integrity, and they p ar _ ocularly represented the interest they felt in that part which should give employment to all at the seine time ; for they said that they had art on toot inatitotions her education and improvement of various kinds, the carry eon on success. fully of which did depend mainly en tho point, that all in their employ should be liberated at one mid the use hour. (Hear, bear.) Lord ASHLEY replied. It Fad been said that the relay *sateen had been practised be a small minority. I t t ad on found footing at all in the West Riling, and in 3,000 mills there would not he found 200 firms that had practised the relay system, and he would take the part of le:pestlin g hi s approbation of the manner in which the mast. r minutia. titters had received this , act ; bad carried it into effect, and of the manner in which they bad come forward to declare their opinion. He declared most solemnly, on hisirmon sibility as a man, that there was no one thing he had more desires! in the conduct of this measure, ahioh he had carried on for 17 yeah*, than the restoration of harmony and good feeling hePeeen the employer and the am; toyed, He wee un *Ming to take any c Aim which the oppon aaes o f the bill would ray woe unfair; but anted they slew this matter to go over Euter ? There which the p; ople telt so deeply, and to sel iah they would de vote so memo, even to their lives. He would throw fie on the ra s po r onleility of the government as to a hen this ree,ture ttowolT'eind delay. what hs A cl l l tb ah k e t h E l:e ra w ti l wan to be Mare( d of, and he called tu them, it nip., r e m ,. cow ein to himeelf, so long as they tad onlin e d ot hone ma bdf me mbe rs. ee s P ie : : : s'Wtel peace,a rg rg og hem with sentimeneality e te noel.. hue left their remarks unnoticed ; hut when the one spoke. or Ina as n " hire d allatiea's," and the otta r sedu he ass no inner than a socielist, all he could say was that he retuic.4 to took a triseeifeseation of the feeble/eels 01 their cause, hen .4 they had been compelled to adopt the old and coarse mode of argument, that ii you can't confute sour antagetiet, you must anus.leim. (Cnner#.) Mr. BRIGH said that the noble lord I:sd and, r.t,.,d a word he had used in a since which he bad not II ;tea it to bear, a..d wit n, atter uttering it Made. gently, he p .sewed that it had ma le an unpleasant io resei,e en his mind, he had retracted the expresse.o, art seed the word "pledged,' and the w.ble 14d we. 1. - eng en unlit advantage, hi cl. slug his speech with the oh:Lunen he had just made. (Cheers A't.r a few words from Mr. W. BROWN, kiln Was given to bring in the hill. Sir H. INGLIS said, that before the other lodic.a ef m• 1. n we re proceeded with, he wished to ask I i• ti.tie hon. trend. tree m =bee kr Bute ' to what M I he pro, need to put off the nortlrcitlf e on the Harriette' Bill ? Mr. tiTI:ART WORTLEY said that at parent to had no intentionoer:tir frit efi at S.r It. INGLIS slid he should take th• 'tree of the hoes, a to whether it should be proceeded ulth alter 11 Wel k. /FILES OF RELIGIOUS CONGREGALONS BILL. l'E UO mo red 1.. r leave to :,nrg m ■ '• antler more rimy e and of evual the deer by wl..th uo.kng •' ions -r boeit Lts, P r purposes of reliross weed., E gland and 'A slee, braid property nolo r pso s." Ile shoed only ill to show domed, and take any debate on icon the ItCWI.I rte Leers was g:ven en bring in the b:11. Mr. HAYIER moved to app 41,e the C. me ittre c . n Er. pinag lawr:—Mr. fluter, Mr. To:t r.l, Mr A!,,T.r.ry- Gen. ra, Mr. B rail . Kr. imam% the Lad A :v. .'t, Mr. Raise, Mr. itabllschy. M. •Mselc•cs4. B 1...., Mr. Greene, Mr. Rion, Sir George Clerk, r John Yu... 4, -cd Mr. Bt.fford. _ ~r~.❑- .411 in tt.r svth ;AM -illito- t.:t to Mr. BOUYERIE moved for a "ee'ect corrtt.:its •,. into and report beam house on the tart.t. , o et ....it. t. courts of law 111'1 ccoity by tee es Lett' , .1 et b.., amoiv.t thereof. and the nude ut toil coo tr..; prialteno: fica in nouns cf law and y. stet r.:.. emirs, atu. in t. a mutts of gent rd a: d • ;...1 s. En.41.n.1 Wales, a d in the etc!• mute cf tdc..iral•y, and as to the sa:.rite I • • • by the • illc•re of tttie courts, a- d . Lev er e• titans could be aec e :ed with a view at suer :1 .1 reautatieg the e htc ton and &pis , oi.ri,•::on Toc tr..e:a of tile eak were toe. prec e .• d alr a. time c -nitration to• k b1ac.,•.1 to et elf • r Trus•a Ed', the 13.• ates Lyng. g (Ireland) L.... Judgmea . , (Ire lard) HAL vitich ' , ow • u toe • 14, • CAM. on to night, and I. was ue,ctatoo. as". th ; • TITLES OF RELIGIOUS CONGREGATION , " LAND) BILL. This b.ll passed through committee. HIGHWAYS BILL. On the motion for the second reading of this 1.. Sir W. JOLLIFFE raid that uo one mot- • . he dill Inc an amendment in the mod.. in we. • •: roads was manaxed, but he objected •Is I. pervaded the bat, wh:ch litt• the whole tu•• .•• • v c • etlu•sive duke:ion col toe guardians ul con:•ndtd, were rot qualified to • =may. lie e( old re.tt see al.) the appointment of a separate bocrl • f • lie tru,td that the boa. member ter r to reter lie bill to • et lect committee. Mr. RICE, teat bound to press the record r t. bon. hal/riot's obj•ctims could b.: test data, ._ mitten. S:r 0. STRICKLAND opposed the bia, :s airee e ing a cher:etc , . Dir. HENLEY tut-pested the postpnnere.•e• until weer Eater. The trincipL. had Men in parliament. Sir J YAKINGTON feared that the hi'.:, if until atter Eatar, would be v:rtuall mates._ Mr. HILDYARD had a very grave O. pmed b 11. It wire+ the whsle cwt.: lutT , e nau, s of the poo:d.aw au .rdians, wt.) w u•,:. : tiva to profu.a ell), nditure in hathe . ..... i : empley meat fir the poor. He coActir;ed in for pre frown rut. Mr. AGLION BY warmly euppe rt. a .r., !,, that aosurnmssat would mixed wets it Wl'... .11 as pa.rib!... Mr. HOULDSWORTU suported the h.:. Attsr a few wows trom Mr. P. ilusean:. 1:-.1 HABILIS, Mr. C. LEWIS did not eee the, arc a :ran - arise from turf Iv r rev penement et the 1.1.1 it. • ..; 1:11111161 0 111 o , l3LlMltlie/IIOLII which carve: et t: 1.1:a 1 21•41 prieuirlTl tee ITei genera, cmciarr:see . ...Lt. country. Mr. HODGSON was decidedly woe i r) tits frit c of the bill, tut ur.red that it be re ad ...C4:4 time that .1,7 six month.. Col. SI STHORP seconded the amendment . Mr. CARDWELL i.quired what.,[ tee bid woe ic.u'd sat o :elude those districts which were .t.liu - under rye. i__l acts if r atliament. Mr. LEWIS said it was not intended t , iv :: - .1 II tion of the bili to stay districts which Kw:n . ...1 . under any loc.! se , . Mr. MAIO:CST called &Monti n to the writ. of the roads in Cumberland. Sir G. STRICKLAND could cot answer 'or :an but kr.,w that in To:est:ire ycu might ri :.• or wi•hout Navin; recision to clad fault. II : . i:.,•• continual intr,asu of paid agents, and ICU.: ,u amendment. Sir G. GREY reminded the her. gtr.7l. IMAM that this larae st idiot p ,id e ttl..crs cur:. nut hays to or motel, but already existed u of guardian,. (Hear, hear.) The or ly ii.': : •IleTl pot, as snit, il by Lis hon. Inci it who i bill. As particu:ar pars of the country h id. mu t o.,serve th .t the highways in N r.h . : tar fr.,m satis , se , cvy. But he knew ill it is to . of the eeutttry a triry great desire trended t. r sysrem of ni,intaining the highways. tit ,r. ' Mr. P BENNET r supported the stai.nuid -Mr. FREW EN also suppor-ed i.. Mr. DEILDES, 0, deving that the obe, ai the bill would be expunged in committee. w, e are' tad res.:few. Sir W. JOLLIFFE objected to it as pert led 1 4 the pacer law. Mr. AI•DERLEY thought that as t!: • !Alerts re:wilily eorceded—at lea!, t• e • ' such as might be fairly raised in commit: , • time t. direuss it further. Mr. FARR ER so:anted to the bon. men !, point sr d rive hi, own surveyor as he t ll t t o be l elis H orte N a L w E . l r - e 's t i o d o f f a l .: co. obj e eet xte• i Tsire ' te s.i ' ' eerier*, 010 size of which wail in many cats al :a -: ,: • J tru. Ea thiAr Ciptain uo.lll rezto 1 r to u~~.~.~ .4 - • LI a 4 .1 1.1..1 :.r t-e r C '.r. yen tut. The hmwe then divided. For the ..rood reading Against it On our re-schnissiou into the grUery, the h0u.... w .wediug with the CHIEF JUSTICES' SALARIES BILL which st- , ei in the . rders of the day tor s.c ~.t! re Mr. OOULBU lIN uked the Att. r. r-: the WU ma to any dd.:ream in the retiring 11.•. sf chief jaa'i.•ee. The ATTORNEY GENERAL ohi r queolicre fur the consicteratiusi et t h. g.,v, r,... ta;nly the pleat nt hall did not drol toi.mst c s The marinmes of the retiri, t ; a 4, ale br sr et pa• Lament. Mr. MULLINOS thought this bill ou F I. • proc:•rdcd wi i ute.ti a return which 110 i hi. lately Lue t t move for, of the app tt• cur:. of justices, and thesaluimatte been made. Ito was of this ou• , • , ... eslery is .ome sure depended upon the t 1110 , 111111.11 t 0' the ornate erpole.e4l tit.• . 141 Mr, ROUNDELL PALMER cau•i going too teat is the rediattiou .of moat kat...rant that threevhigh I die.. 5 , ..0 they had 11 4 therto b• en, by mea a the aosi moat tandouhled integrity. Mr. SPOONER reialt was 17 sears a' ha I been mule L thief Jima wt.nl4 any ens may Cott a smaller •al•rc • it'.l sufiletent, at the large and fr, n. r.l r tt hot bean made L e tl.e interval. lie ree , tret t bill should be peepsned, till the haus• nits' of couri•lering tvt r general reducti.n. Sir O. ORKY add the house might au for the incre.oe, rather than the raa, :10 •• hear 1• was to reduce the La t.t.• I. I t Janice liNrir 10 0001. to 8,0001. ; eel to • .e. werld In effect be to earetiane the stl.oy amount. (11 , ar, hoer ) It also prop a tinltio of tho 11 air of the Chief •."' P.e,a n f o 1,0001 year . ! The &tails w,,uid b LK:t.t eared in corami:tee. I.mA I, t.. the I'- 41 i i ~\_.: