The Express. — London, England, 1855-03-10 00:00:00

M I'ERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF LORDS.—FaIDAY, MAscu 9. The LOID C at Ave o'clock. took kb mod ou thowooloodk MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS, Mseetniers from Use Commons brought up the Undu emu, of Mats Bill, which WU /tad Arm time. TICKETS OF LEAVE. Lord ST. LEONABDB, who spobe;ta a my low tone of voice, proceeded to ash attention ea the merlins if the ticket of leave gum dace its estalaisimut is this mistry- The noble aad hasasi lord was massaged to assegleis Ike aa priunars assluiest to moves pm' traespaglegies got tickets *cleave at the sad et tam% ihe Iss at Ike sui of four yea* es essaidas el psi belbsikar &wag es ilur terval, • 11laweyy WSWemtG. of selksolislat ambled As worst ehaenelwe M again get loom spas moiety. The err tem worbed is the first laslisse, by attashing un certainty is die pssialmasent la dieted by the judge, and thin making aay sestmes /sr a amber of yearstransportation little more ibis a skim. The Ism knowing it would shorten their time, midst ted themeless well is prism, but the gassuat they were enlarged relapsed into that former bed habits. Oite cause of this was that they had generally a seasiderable sum to receive on leaving prima, eomet:mep 12L or W., and bong reloaded from the long reenlist, they pro et oacw to spend it is all lone of dissipation. Tb. sob!' and learned lord alit read a letter from filr.Berieent Adams, stating that onirniath of the whole criminal committals in the kiegdom took place at the Middleeea flessicas, and that the result of kis experieses was that the re-committals had increased 400 dem the establishment of the ticket of leave 'Man. Tke opinion of this learned judge waa that the ticket of lease system led to the commission of crime. Ile certainly thought that it wu the duty of the govern ment to inatitam some system of supervision, so that the le gislature really might uaderstand the actual rnalt of the present systeni. Hirt GRANVILLE could assure the noble end learned lord that he quite concurred with biro in regretting ;the nes comity for the system of punishment then under considera tion. But their lordships should bear in mind that the whole matter was really • choice of evils. When the ea sent sent stem was adopted it was on account of the fee which eaisted in the colonies against the former meth , sad the very complaints which had boon made to the pre sent mode of procedure in this country showed that the colonies were not without reason in objeetisg to being bar dewed with oar criminals. He regretted to say, that it was act in his power to bold out to the noble lord any hope that. the government were prepared to propose any new system. At the same time, be did sot attempt to say that the present mode of operation was faultless ; on the oostrary, be was ready to admit many of the defects at which the noble lord heated. He ventured to request their lordships to read the report which had ap peared upon this subject, as he 'bought it would plus the matter fairly before them. Although he could not venture to oppere his opinion upon such • esbjcct to that of the noble and learned lord, be could tot but say that he very much doubted whether the course of punishment now adopted was in itself such as to operate to a slight extent only upon criminals. He (Lord Granville) could only say that sines the present system had been adopted, only one case of mis eoaduct had bees reported at the Home-office, and that case, when examined into, tuned oat to be without founda tion. He (Lord Granville) was quite sure that the aoile lord had brought ;this matter forward with no fiche', bat he could not understand how upon a part =ar ty we, for to one only bad the noble lord referred, he could found an argument against a system. The noble lord sug gested two methads for improvise the present system—ths gist wee that some system of surveillance should be adopted; and .in the next place, that government should take active means for obtaining information as to the doings of convicted prisoners who were at large upon tickets of leave. With respect to these matters, their lordships would see at once that a great difficulty existed. It would not do to follow a an about, so as to prevent his obtaining any kind of employment. (Hear, bear.) But the government wen not without hope of doieg something in the mat ter and he (Lord Granville) was happy to in form the noble lord (St. Leonardo) that Sir George Grey had had this subject under his attention for the last few weeks, and had boon making active inquiries with a view to tome practical step. When hie right hon. friend (Sir G. Grey) had finished those inquiries, he (Lord Granville) had no doubt but that the information obtained would be quite at the service of the boon.. Earl GREY thought that this was a subject of the gravest importance, and was of opinion that their lordi were now beginning to feel the difficulties &riot which had warred them long since. He was persuaded that thus matters of which c. mplaint was now made ware but tag commencement of a much worse state of thiase. (Hear.) He had always regarded the act which abolished transportatioa re • grave misfortune. None could have a doubt upon the efficacy of that system, or could hesitate to declare that it had acted, on the whote, far better than any other. The noblo earl (Granville) made a great mistake when he said that the difficulties which we experienced proved that the colonists bad a cause of complaint. The position of this country and of the colonies was essentially different. Here, when a convict was let out upon a ticket of leave, he was east upon society who knew of his crime, and I. was turned back into the world in the chase neigh bourhood of Lis former associates in crime. But in the colonies the ease was fazdifferew. The convict was in a thinly populated country, far from the place where his former offence bed been committed. (Hear, hear.) Aud if en en larged view were taken of the matter it would be found that such a CGOTIO was conducive t) the interests of the colonies themselves. He firmly believed that harm had been done to the colonies by the system which had been adopted, and that a very grave respoufib.lity rested upon those in ithia Country who had worked upon the feelings of the colonists, in order to induce them to mires the system of transporta tion. UMW not hesitate to say 'het the feeling upon the matter which Cod prevailed in the colonies was entirely as artificial one,' and that it bad wholly been promoted by permits in this caustry. (Hear, hear.) Everyone knew that fifteen years So" the colossi's were excited in favour of traasporta tion. (11. ar, bier.) It was net likely that, of their own accord, they would so suddenly alter their opinions. The plea put forward was, that we had abolished transporta tion on accf,unt of the demands of the colonies. He bad no hesitation in saying that if this country was to go upon the inciple that when anything was asked by our colonies, or unjust, reasonable or unreasonable, it was to be granted, the sooner we parted with our colonies altogether —the sooner we got rid of the responsibility of protecting shoes whom we could no longer govern—the better it would be for ourselves. But even assuming the necessity for abolishing the system of transportation, still a heavy responsibility rested upon the government which introduced and the legislature which sanctioned the measure at present In force. Although the system of transporting was abo- lished, there was no necessity for altering the period of the duration of the punishment. But, nevertheless, this had been done, and for *even years' transportation only form years' penal servitude was substituted, and for heavier pm niehment a somewhat aunties scale prevailed. Oa aids it bad been found neemsary to make the length eif pumbb meat vary with the conduct of the prisoner. That bad been found a most excellent plan for keeping up ea effectual state of diseiplias. But through a clause in the set now in force, the discretion in regard to this matter wee fettered, so as to reader it far less useful than it might hams been. He would suggest as a plan for making the set meek to some smut better, that some oysters telitht be adeytad, requiring men having tickets of l eave to report themedeee' at stated periods to salads appointed for the wren The LORD CHANCELLOR said that as sea felt a rester regret then he did himself at this necessi ty flew abolishing the system of transportation. He believed that transportation answered the ends of punishment better than any system which had ever prevailed, embracing, as it did, the maximum of terror with the minimum of suffering. tofortanately, however, in !he °plain of this house and of suete•eive governments that system could not longer be continued, sad it was necessary not to abolish, for traaspor tatios to the exteet af 1,000 yearly would still go on, but to modify it. The noble earl (Grey) complained that the feeling of the mumble was not one arising spostaaeously, but that it was mated by malcontents at home. That might possibly be so; bat from whatever_ came it came, it was as all heads admitted to exist. TEL. en. felt to be tics ea., by the goviirame -- n — t — of of Derby, and of the Earl of Aberdeen. The noble earl who had spokes last (Lord Grey) said that if every rimiest, ressotabe or not, which was nude by the solonies was to he acceded to, this country bad better be rid of these. That might he very true. But in the matter under eousidaration, the colnnista bad at least so much reams on their side, that'' thee carried public sympathy with them—(beer,, bear)- 1 a-ri their demand was one which it would have ban dif-1 Bruit, carhops dangerous, to refuse. It had, than havo,' become necessary that something should be dens-- the qauttte arose u to what ? The act wish& bed that night bees remarked upon was mot the me it was the only mabstitute for the nee= which could me linger be tolerated. He had had the beeees to lewdest that measure; he had not takes—bedbleet Ibse Übe, any rm.it for the wisdom of it; it we aleleduela le simple matter of necessity, and it the Mere bed see pawed it they must have puled some cther pretty nearly precisely similar to it. (Hear, hear.) The noble earl complained of the shortness of the terms of punishment which had been introduced. They had beon taken precisely from the practice which • had previmuly prevailed in the cases of eonvic I who were eci.ti rut! to transportation, but who were seat to pu i c worlu is this canntry in Stu of actual deportation. (Hear, hear.) The question' which his noble and ]tarred friend (Lord Bt. Leonard') mensal inclined to propose to the house was as to the man ner in which the late act bad been worked by government, and the noble lord wine I is doubt whether its effects Wore beeetictel. Now, as the aet was so very yeses% time woe but, no far as Gould be report, it seemed that Bo good results. The laves, . Grey would doubtless WOW doubt usable the i governinlatid regard to the plan propelled . reluiriag tieket•of.leave mss certain times, that was a plan to att .thed Under it a man would to leave his work, perhaps to town, is order to report him would be an interruption to et ; and is the leas, it would, • of the stigma upon the eke man. Ia both et Wes ways it abet Mon Um, ead would, it chollileedytest rip. P ; forom j u dgm en t J u e " r walking had been attended with of his right boa friend Sir 0. 0 light uron ths subject, and no dot to intrudes, improvements With by the Lehi, earl (Ow') of refit to report themselves at is which essay objectioos att .014 every as+ aad thew be obliged to so some distaece to • county to self. In the first plain, this wo widish employers would object serve se a parochial resewal of meter of the ticket-id leave mw wield work with • my bad offs . w 41. N. returns tioluft inn, was to be feared, lead to that relapse gobbet one of the especial *Nieto of parole meat to Lord ST. LRONARDS thew moved for as to the amber of eartviste at law 1/11t which were aimed to. CRIMINAL LUNATICS. Lord ST. LIONARDS rose to inquire whether her jest i agovesnient hod oap intends,* to ergot 'sylvan at IMO* Is titeaght that this was a patina of abobal odabisbotioa of this country in whin a sense defect misted, and that Ins ought le be taboo for the ereotiW of sta Z =of asylums to which his question referred. who had not paid attention to the mailing wens apt Niue that as lawns person was devoid of all the or di noty bangs of bans mature. There was, however, us gnaw mistehe ; and awn persons had a str ong wage of do. podolloa at bang plain soda the same roof with nom no had bon gab of Mon At posesat asylum nits mused lam OM= regulation be Ohs tin middy= bang the islioded to erne nylon looliar, be spa= pnub be, that at preen It was net is cos ose was to lump the sabot Is view ;it was acne poloonon Isse, tubber they amid km= lb se- UM* ion= holm proman of war. Munn sad illabiliOnnte &sub ho wend, it would be aesestaty to IA Ihe greatest attainsa M obinideatioa, wad far that riZalbe pursuant won/be assisted by the uterine* l Lunacy Camonsinue sod of the medical authorities who had devoted Usk Weis to the treatmsat of Insides. Sul 43/IAIiViLLI was happy in being able to men to ibs tobloon of what had fallen from the noble and liaised MA Is we b ms doubt, most desirable that proper wean nollatiss snub ha provided; and the suggestion with n eed to oluslimin was most valuable. Although he could not give a pledge thee the object would be mein out nun diately, be was AN Or state that it was in rnatenputios, sad that the quietism was entirely one of money. (Hsu.) The Eschew: hilb (17,183,0001.) Bill wu read a snood On. inapire+-the men, by the tin of airman and interest—that they were an oared for' It 'mid be a practical declaration that the egos of Ileeretery of Siete ler the Colonies was sae of sag Isseaddereble isperlamee that it might not only be eeeepled by a Walter who bad left this cousin, but hold by a minister when being reeldent at Vienna, was Ca breapable of its duties. (Hear, It from them melionlieas that he had thought it Ms duty to put to the geweennent the question which h. ens about to submit to them He weld salt the =Me mid the President of the Oeuseffi, whether Miami held eM to the been any monition with regard be the peehalie period of the noble lord's (Lord John Rein** meter mil Übe were =able to give any assurance as that Wield alas& him testate within what time her desirst r e gevermeat wield think it jest, and reasonable, and seises eery, thee seem permaaest easagassat shield be made he the dimness' of the dudes in peollion, by a ffieeretny if State rink= in this country, end set by me employed hi protranelaegotiations in Vim& 1 (Hear, hear.) Earl GRANVILLE said, is proceeding to answer the question of the noble earl, be wield first observe that he felt great satisfaction at the dreaustssos that the noble earl appeared sensible of the greet impertmee of the minim which had been accepted by LaMantia Ennoll. He thought no appointment mold have been made which would bane caused the nation generally to feel ass, satisfied that th honour of the country was is sate bends; and on the other hand, it appeared to him of the greatest importance that set only this country, but the while et Europe, should hil that :her Majesty's governing= were perfectly sth core in their profession of • desire to AO& peace as early as it could be secured on sda sad bearersbie terms. (Hear, hear.) Under the cdreemileases he thought it would have been the most Is. jrelifileue Wag that could possibly be imagined, if, when Lndohlut Russell had already visited the Tuileries, and ins is his way to Vienna, he had been suddenly recalled from his mission. (Hear, hoar.) In fact, bad such a rectal taken an in consequence of the ministerial crisis, it would In his opinion have been smoothies like • breech of national faith. (Hear, hear.) Upon the question whether the eir suds to the noble lord by the Prime Minister, or the emplanes of that offer by the noble lord himself, were jadhdese, he (Earl Granville) entertained not the =sheen doubt. They had seen the difficulty of a government strong enough for the OCCILIIiOII. The earl (Derby) had himself given an example of • right sacrifice of party feeling (bear, hear) ; and be did think it was most deeirable,when the government bad been weakened by the secession of some of its most eminent members, to strengthen it as soon as possible in the mime ties of the public and of their allies by the addition of such a statesmen as Lord John Ransil. (Hear, hear.) With regard to the inconvenience of which the noble earl had spoken, it was perfectly true that, formally and technically, any Se cretary of State might discharge the duties of the °Zoe. Without the signature of • Secretary of State it was impossible that the business of the department could ban gone 00. If the duties of the Colonial Secre tary had been imposed on the Foreign Secretary. sad the Foreign Secretary bad been required to 1/1•40/ the questions of the department, the attempt mut have broken dowa ; but the person to whom the duties wen entrusted for • limited time was the right hon. gentle man (Sir G. Grey), who had the whole business of the de partnent at his fingers' ends, having conducted it until three weeks before the noble lord's appointment. (Hear, hear.) There was not half the difficulty which a new Secretary of State would have experienced in mastering the beidnen. That this would be defensible as a permanent arrangement no one belonging to the government would contend for a moment. The noble earl had justly remarked that it was a question of time. The noble lord who was at Vienna was gone there for the =nose of negotiating a treaty of peace. As the noble earl had himself remarked, if it should unfor tunately happen that the negotiations were broken off at aim, Lord John Russell's absence from London would so doubt be vary short indeed. On the other band, if affairs should take • more fortunate turn, the delay would not, he assured the noble earl, be so great as he appeared to sup pose. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord went to Vienna to settle the general principles on which any treat y of must be founded ; and if these should. be to, he did not think it would be desirable for Lord John Russell to stay to finish all the detail. and all the formal matters connected with the carry ing out of the treaty. Therefore he thought he was justi fied in informing the noble earl that at present it was the intention of Lord John Russell to be bark in this country at Easter at the latest. (Hear.) With regard to the alleged leconvenienc• of there being no Secretary of State for the Colonies in this country, he believed no inconvenience had in fact arisen. If any one had a right to complain, it was Sir George Grey (bear, hear)— very arduous duties having been cast upon him, which he could not discharge, perhaps, with justice to himself. So far from its being the fact that colonial subjects were unpopular in the present cabinet, there had already been two cabinets on such topics. Two very important decisions had been given with reference to them, and the right hon. gentleman (Sir G. Grey) had not shrunk from acting without delay on questions requiring an immediate decision. The noble earl had remarked that one way of attending to the dutiis of such an of es was to do hardly anything. He recollected having beard of a remark made on that subject by a dis tinguished member of the noble earl's own government, to the effect that there were several ways of facilitating the discharge of the duties of a public department, and that, gam these, one of the beet was downs. (Laughter.) He (Earl Granville) thought, however, that tf any man in the country would weevers in discharg ing the duties which he had undertaken until his strength bag down, the right hon. gentleman at the head of the Haas Department was such a man. As to the question elf On geld licenses in Australia, he admitted that it might lIINSINO very serious; but it was not a question which mil be dealt with in this country in the present state of Ike khoseation with regard to it. On such matters, how ever, there had been communications, involving only a week's delay, between Sir G. Grey and Lord Jobe the sell. With regard to the Cape of Good Hope, that could he done had been decided 4 :l l 2. thin lie regretted that he was unable to give say assurance with respect to the appointment of an under secretary for the colonies. As regarded the sup ' posed insult to the colonies, be regretted that the noble earl isseld have spoken in the manner that he had done, be- OM hie beguile was calculated to create the very feeling he wished lo prevent. That the colonies would feel allowlet at the acceptant, of the colonial secretaryship by tuna who had been prime minister, and who wee so die m a etateeman, was, he believed, a delusion ; te llh. tgeeght that the intonate of the colonies would not egliegis Re atightitt degree from the manner in which the Igen boa. bonnet would carry on the business of a depart ment with which he wain well acquainted during the tem porary &began of Lord John Russell. (Hear, hear.) Their lordships adjourned it ten minutes past seven. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FaIDA The Imes 'set at the weal hoar. PRIVATE BUSINESS. _ _ 12, MARCH 9. The Chute? ;nil itaii;si was reed n second time. T OP SIR R. PEEL AS LORD OF THE ADMIRALTY. Mr. HAYTRM r;;;;d7;i:;ew writ for the election of s burgess to serve in Pediment for Mumma, in the room of flir IL Peel, who hse sampled the office of sae of the Lords of the Adair. ley. THE CAVALRY CHARGE AT EALAKLAVA. MARCH 10, enigma eamides of Ilk, he thought it woo due both to the arm, ail to the amble lord whims conduct woo impugned, that emlequiry *Mid take plata. (Hear, hear.) Under the slemiliummt silted by the noble lord, he could hare no tosslpealsg his motion until some answer was reenlisi hem the Closamander-in•Chief to Lord Loran's is. Mon) The men rot adjourning the house from its rising to I Xeaday was than put sod agreed to. ORDER pp_PUBLIC BUSINESS. The ardor of the day for the committee of supply having been moved, Mr.DlSßAßLl,referring to the understanding that public holiness should emunmes at half. past four o'clock, and to the feet it'd Walden were not generally in their places at wri tint bin,. lnd that if the government thought it de eleohie d to the old plan of not commencing public WOW= till he, t would be for the convenience of both ides edthe hems if they would say so. (Hear.) Led PALMERSTON intimated that half-put four Wald be the hour for commencing public business. Ste H. WILLOUGHBY wished to know whether it war intimiled to proceed with the Savings Banks and Friendly Sodelies Bill, which stood No. 4 oa the paper of that even ing, and when ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—It is in tended to proceed with that bill, and I will take an oppor tunity la the coarse of nest week of stating when It will be brought on. Mr. RICARDO Inquired when the Chancellor of the Esehequer would be prepared to fir a day for bringing on the Newspaper Stamp Bill? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—It may be for the convenience of the house that I should state at once that I propose to take the second reading of the Newspaper Stamp Bill on Monday se'unight (19th inst.) THE SEBASTOPOL ARMY COMMITTEE. A messenger from the Lords annonnerdJ that that house had given pernitialon to the Duke of Cambridge, the Earl of Cardigan, and Lord Harding, to attend and give evidence 1 before the o.mmittee. ERTIJRNS ORDERED. The following returns were ordered : ELECTION EXPENSES. Mr. B. EGERTON—Return of the al7si;aa's of amounts of election impinges rendered by the different election auditors since the postai of the Act 17 and 18 Viet., o. 102, specifying in each particular case the amount of the bill. so paid, and the names of the parties to whom paid. CLERKS (POOR LAW UNIONS). Mr. T. CHAMBERS—Return of existing annual salary, compensation, and allowance to the clerk to each poor law union in England and Wales. BREECH LOADING FIREARMS. Mr. MAGUIRE, preparatory to the consideration of the Ordnance Estimates in Supply, rose to bring before the notice of the house certain improvements in the manufac- ture of breech loading firearms, and the importance of adopting such improvements in the British mirage. He said ha had had an opportunity, within the last few days, of testing two or three specimens of these improved firearms, in company with certain members of that house, and akin of the army. The particular weapon he wished to call attention to was Sharp's breech-loading rifle. It had been adopted in the American service, and the patentee bad been in this country for seven weeks endea vouring to force the attention of the military authorities. The hon. gentleman then detailed the manner in which Mr. Sharpe 's breech-loading weapon had been taken up by the American authorities, and its having been tried in their service at once for two years on the frontier, and on its being favourably reported on had been adopted, after having been subjected to a comparative trial, as the "best arms " for cavalry. Colonel Harris, who had been sent out to America to inspect and report on the improvement in fire-arms, had recommended this weapon for adoption in the British army, and in September last the Horse Guards had directed Colonel Hay, at the rifle establishment at Hythe, to make a comparative trial of this weapon with other arms, and he had sent in a report three weeks ago, but no de oision had been come to on the subject. The hon. member then described Mr. Sharpe's breech-loading weapon, and showed that the trigger-guard acted as a lever, and opened the breech Into which the cartridge was plated, and the piece was at once loaded, having than a great advantage over the proems of the ordinary muzzle-loading rifle, which re quired the cartridge to be bitten, turned, the ramrod to be pulled out, the charge rammed down, and the ramrod re turned, before it could be fired. The Ming rifle could not be fired more than two or three times in a minute ; but he had that day seen the breech-loading weapon fired 21 times in one minute and a half, 14 times in • minute, sad 40 times in five minutes and five seconds. The weapon he had seen had been fired from 100 to 200 times without being fouled. With the Ming rifia there were often mistake. in loading, and the ball was often put down first, and the rifle was nukes till the barrel was unscrewed. The hon. gentleman pointed out how advantageous this weapon would be for cavalry, to whom muzzle-loading carbines were all but useless. Referring to the probability of disturbances at the Cape, he observed how useful this arm would be, which bul been used by the Ameri can troops against just such an enemy as the Wets, and mentioned that Colonel Bolton, who went out to the Cape the other day, bad urged on the Horse Guards that the Cape Mounted Rides should be armed with it. He strongly pressed the matter on the consideration of the government. With regard to anuaar weapon, it was known that Colt's revolvers had done good service, and he particularly men- Nailed the case of Lieutenant Cross, wbo, with one of them, had killed four Russians, by whom he was attacked. He wished to mention that he had that day seen some of Deane and Adams' revolvers, which contained some improvement' which, he thought, were worthy the attention of the govern meat. Colonel KNOX confirmed what had been stated by Mr. Megaire, having also seen the breech.loading gun tried that day, in the presence of a number of military men and Fun• makers, who all docisred it to be a very valuable weapon. He hoped the government would lose no time in testing it, and if successful of adopting it in the army. He believed it would be found the most valuable weapon for cavalry pur poses that ever was invented. Mr. MONSELL entirely agreed with the bon. member, that it was desirable, with the least possible delay, to in troduce the breech.loading carbine into our army, and it was oily the anxiety of the Commander.in-Chief to obtain the very best description of weapon before it was finally adopted that had caused any delay. Before Mr. Sharpe carnet° this country his breech-loading weapon wee in the hands of thoee who toted firearm for the government. The nurse taken by the government was this. Some time early :n last year intimation was given to experienced gun makes that a breech-loading carbine was to be introduced into tie army, and they were requerted to submit pat terns by the lit of May. Some of the most eminent requested an extension of the time; but the whole of the patterns of the carbines had been sent in, and they were forwwded to Woolwich to be tested, after which they w ere sent fir trial to Colonel Hay, at Hythe. Since than, a very remarkable carbine had been forwarded by a M. Lenoir, a Frendunan, which had also been submitted for trial, and in • very short time which was the best carbine would be de cided on, and when that was done, they would be supplied to the eavalry by the Ordnance as rapidly as possible. He rather thought Mr. Sharpe's was the most highly thought of, and the choice lay only between his and that of M. Lenoir. iii.I3ELLEW stated that he had also men Mr. Sharpe's carbine tried that day, and bore his testimony to its ad mitted excellence. Mr. MAGUIRE said he had forgotten to mention that several of the military men whom he saw that day had stated not only that this weapon was eminently fitted for cavalry and fur infantry, if the principle of breech-loading was adapted to the Minis ride, but that it was the very thing which the Artillery required, and which would ea able them to defend their guns with greater success than they could now. VOLUNTEER RIFLE CORPS. Mr. W. WILLIAMS said that he had the other evening asked the Home Secretary whether he or his predecease la office had had any applications for the sanction of govern ment to the formation of volunteer rifle corps. The right hon. gentleman said that he had had such applies dons, but they were declined because they did not offer to go on foreign service. He wished to a have distinct reason from the noble lord (Palmerston) why the formation of volunteer corps was discouraged, a he believed that such a force would be most useful in case of invasion. After • few words from Mr. G. DVXDAS, urging that the government should break through the routine system of Oar military administration, which caused all the delays temsplained of, Lord PALMERSTON said that when he was at the Nmae-olliee he reeeived • great number of applications from 4111111hesat parte of the country, for the sanction of government is the formation of volunteer rifle corps. He had to cos- Mier. Indy , whether there would not be some expense in the formati,on of the corps ; and, secondly, whether any pos sible utility could be expected from them. There was of wane srme expense connected with the formation of the 'MPG : and it also appeared to him that there would he me earthly use in such a forte. They were to be formed in places and in towns where, if we VIM to apprehend any danger of invasion, they cm/ d be of no use, and then the persons of whom they were composed being tradesmen, and persons occupied in ib e engagements of civil life, could not be expected to leave Valli? occupations without great interference with the com mercial interests of the country; and besides they were by their habits quite unfitted to go through a campaign, wham they must march and bivouac at night, sad expose themeless u troops were accustomed to do; and if they did, the greater part of them would in a week have been in hospital instead of on the field. If, in- I deed, we were at war with • nation from whom we expected en immediate attack upon our coasts, there might be some advantage in those corps In our several sea-port towns; but fortunately that was not the cue; sad it did not appear to him that there would be nay nee in accepting or emeouraging the offers which wen made by some moat SWIM individuals, to whose public spirit the government I was most willing to do ample justice while declining their idles. , ; Cllkmal DUNNE said be had seen many of the improved emit same asbmitts4 Is trial • by a semmitasa of the Osissasisesdobsissmistibs Immah4sadisi had ammosild mapt to sae Wises; there we. skeet lIIVM soli itill comps fg hem the brkaeh w hen the Ord itt: as time. He knew that v dm noble lord 1111=111141421:11 1. 11111 no . sed gun, h inglyara i c e l o o o te eS n o e seash f♦wsMita the army as pesstisally sew almost disarmed ; it was s ass, sad a very bed sae. . MONBBLL mid that is July or Aorust last Sharp's Mlles mho% sod was submitted to the committee at Woolwich, who made a most favourable report of it ; two or three other carbines, which were favourably reported on, were also mut to be tried. _ The helm then weal into Committee of Supply on the Ordnance Estimates, and proceeded to pale the remaining voter. In the course of the discussion, 13 1 EVANS said be wished to impren on the com mittee the expediency of improving the accommodation of barracks as they Gained at present, and he believed they were very limited. It was a false economy, and it operated very injuriously, especially with regard to the recruiting unrioeto have barracks without the necessary acoommoda tion. Three or four years ago, a commission wu sent by the government to inquire into the state of the barracks is Prussia, Franco, and other countries, and report thereon. That report was made, but it bad never been laid before the how. He bad no doubt that that report showed a decided advantage for the soldiers of Francis, Prussia, and two or three other countries, over the British soldier, as to the se commodation afforded them in barracks. He knew that some hon. gentlemen bolding office in this country had a notioa that it was better to accustom the British soldier to imperfect and bad accommodation, and that thee he would be better able to rough it on foreign terries. He doubted that very much. (Hear, hear.) Officers, when they were obliged to rough it, were able to do so quite as well as the privates ; and by neglecting the accommodation of the barracks, they not only injured their soldiers, but deterred men in better situations in society from enter ing the army. (Hear, bear.) Circumstances might easily be addnoed to prove teat an army collected from the better classes of society was a much more efficient army than one of the inferior alum. (Hear, hear.) We had several in stances of this in our own country. One was familiar to every one in that house. There was a consultation between Oliver Cromwell and some of the other great men of that time, as to the difficulty which they had in getting troops who wen capable of resisting the cavaliers, at the com mencement of the civil war ; sad it was represented that the persona who then composed the parliamentary army were tauten and people of the inferior claims, who could sot resist in the field the sons of peasants, and the better classes who had enlisted under the royal standard. At pre sent there was a difficulty in gettiag the eons of farmers and shopkeepers to enter the army, and the inferior accommodation was one of the obstacles. These clamor, as well aa the officers, were quite prepared to meet the difficulties of a campaign, to be without tents, and to lie upon the ground when necessity required it—(hear, hear)—but for a long continuance at home they would probably Improve the moral composition of the army materially, by letting people know that they would not be kept in a state of physical discomfort mine. cessarily. (Hear, hear.) There had been great reluctance on the part of the executive to face the house with estimates for improvinp barracks. (Hear, hear.) It was a most ab surd thing that in this immense metropolis—perhaps the greatest metropolis that ever existed in the world—there were only barracks for about 3,000 men. (Hear, hear.) And it was notorious that one or two of tin barracks in the metropolis were totally unfit to maintain the health of the troops. Medical men had addressed their attention to this subject within the last few years; and they stated that is several of the barracks of this country, not above one-half the proper space was provided. From time to time very little pro gress had been made in this matter. He would suggest, now that military matters were more attended to, from the urgency of the state of national affairs, that the report to which be had referred should be laid before the house. He believed that report bad been made by the chaplain g I, who was partly • military end partly a clerical authority; for he had been originally in the army. He i knew that a report had been drawn up at the public expense, and the executive government had no right to withhold it from the house. He hoped that the clerk to the ordnance, who had probably not heard of it before, would inquire about it, and ascertain whether there was any ob jection to its being laid before the house. He believed that report would prove that the continental governments paid mere attention to this subject than we did, and expended more money on barrack accommodation. The Chairman wee directed to report progress, and the house resumed. _ --- ----- The Lunacy Regulation Amendment Act was read a second time. The Marine Mutiny Bill was read a third time and pawed. The Ecclesiastical Courts Bill was read a third time and passed. The Dean Forest Bill passed through committee. METROPOLITAN LOCAL MANAGEMENT. Sit B. HALL postponed this bill, with the above title, until Monday week. The ether orders of the day were disposed of, and the house adjourned at ten Min u tea past eleven o'clock. Zlie Court. TILE . EXIIRES4 SATURDAY EVEN vut A i 4 mak A w as ( .) Sat thfn it we lobis that the smug mutest 'amides e I. 'Maar.) for the obeli or the ,er part of the proem use mad to the Ml Ma Musa Wirt a Cattail Sear s sst leffe. t r . es t r, wo lte: i r i ) no Tt that sakquiry= 464 leave, slit • I weak, rightly; above l, it would sot be hulk** Is wire treatise the °plosion rightly, whelp, sr Judiciously. (Hear, resolved hem the 0 ter her W hear.) It would create • feeling Is the &peaked« of haler. Maw) keyless !sr this eapire , -ths whole of whisk wesebsesd to the mother- _Thlrseliolt_for ad . THE COLONIAL SECRETARYSHIP. The Earl of DERBY said he shsald be very sorry if the Tomblin he woe abut to pat to the government should ease ray erabesaimett in the completion of their minis. venial eemimgenemb; bat the subject was one of so much importable, sad the negl•ct of it must cause so much public isesevenkmee, and that public isconvenionce mast so wadi imams I by day during the oontleaanoe of the peseest Mahe et May, that he should not fool justified in set (Mai bar ibleete. government an opportunity for explanation. He need not naiad their lordships of the unasnal eirramseemeim ender which the noble lord now at the bead oldie miesiel depeelawat bed seeepted the duties of that eMea. He seed set 14111111111 ii 11111 M lint that noble lord bad mangled a seen lopertems Edwin ea which he had set out Mon thie essawy. Whoa the eseession of some of the most imigailest emembees el the goverment rendered the re- essetrwillea eta» t abeolutoly necessary, the noble le n d (Lag I. ) was, he believed, aske d by elsetrie hieing& whither he would accept the oleos of Colonial Seastaly, gad by th e sae rapid means of com munication the ailbe Bort intimated has consent. Ho had no wish to en.gimin of the noble lord's net having re turned home Wile Ys aseeptanee of that oSoe. On the contrary, he thew& that his titleg up his mission might bays led to great public ineonvenience—(bear, bear)--end that it was quite just and proper that no delay ihotald take place in his proceeding to Vienna and performing his task. (Hear, hear.) But the question whether his amp tense of the ;Mee of Secretary of State for the Colonies was or was not justifiable mast depend on the pro bable duration of the noble lord's mission. (Hear, hear.) He knew that, technically and formally, every Secretary of State could perform the functions end duties of every other Secretary of State. (Hear, bear.) But, although for a certain period the ordinary routine of business belonging to one Secretary of State could be ad- ministered by another, yet it wee quit* obvious, looking at the great weight of important business which premed upon each of the three departments, that an like a length ened junction of offices must be at w th great lime venison to the public service. S. aresh bed that beet felt to be the case that when the pesehet we emeeedeed it was found necessary to divide the wise et secretary of State for the Colonies into two office., or, rather, to withdraw itnia it the business connected with was. He believed there wean° minister whoa, presence in this country was more necessary, and whose baskets could be lON easily performed by any of his eollearses, then the heal of the colonial department, be:ause there was no other minister whose business was so separate from that of his colleagues, and co one with regard to whom the general knowledge of the duties of his °filet was so much confined to the minister himself. He did not altogether concur in an axiom which had, he rot& lined, been laid down by a right hon. and learned goads. man who performed, for many ye%re, with great mime s the duties of the Under Secretary of the Colonies, aim*. that "cabinets hate colonies"—(laughter—but, having acquired some knowledge of the business of the colonial &penmen., he might appeal, palm', to more than one noble lord who was is a similar 'Now im whether of all the basin-sa wt.ich was brought before the cabinet there was not the greatest difficulty in obtaining foe colonial bu'ineu a very small portion of that small part of their time which minium could spare for the cousideraUot of subjects net immediately connected with their several do. potatenta—(hear, hear)—and for this reason, that than were always before parliament matters of more direct in terest (as was understood) to those who composed the cabinet. Therefore, practically the business of the colonial department was more exclusively in the hands of the head of that department than could be said to be the case with ro gand to either of the other departments, and consequently the absence of the Colonial Secretary must be especially in convenient. (Hear, hear.) He was told that is eon sequence of the absence of the noble lord the duties of Colonial Secretary had been undertakes for • time by a right honourable gentleman of very great and well-known ability, but who aee Iliad the office of Secretary of State for the Home Demelment. He (the Earl of Derby) knew something of the duties ell that department, and he knew that, without being aide- lately overwhelming, they were quite sufficient to comp the attention of any one minister . (Hear, hear.) He dal 4 IlialMeao to deny that there were differest modes of doing I %Weems. (Laughter.) One mode was to do nothing and 4 leave everything in &near, and he could imagine a Sam- tory of Stets making his berth very easy ; bat for a genie- 4 man who was desirous of discharging his duty, se be was ; sure the right hon. gentleman (Sir G. Orey) was, the boss{. near of the Home-office was quite sufficient. Moreover, it i was a subject of regret that tbe right hon. gentleman was sot in the strongest health, and, on the ground of ill-health, was supposed to be rather desirous than otherwise of retiring I from public life. But were he the strongest man in England— had be the stroegestmind and the strongest body—it would be absolutely impetellt• Mt, for any lingtheaed period, he Meld be able to embargo the duties of Home Secretary and of Osioaial tkeseenry. sad at the mats time to give his 1 attendees" is yedissent. (Hear, hear.) Well, now, of coulee all this tsised upon the question of time. (" Hear, hear," from the Ministerial besthes.) If the noble lord's abseil*, from this country was likely to be of very short duration, of Min the inconvenience would be propor tionately los. (leer, hear.) He must observe, however, with regard to esienial tonsisess, that at that moment there were several impotent imetioas absulatel in abeyance, is cease gene* of the abeines of the Ceissial Seeretaiv. Re did not rein to the immemeleme e Omy\ the matter was one of emiderablebepeteme, of the &day which there was in ermine to a esednelem with rind Mam answer to, or are kesetledgment el, the sarione 'Sea of military service which had been mesived from ems of the coloniee—(bear, bear)—thengh b eteatibeerved the Ober night by a member of the goverment that that was a question which must await the wefts of the Mould esixesszy. But at that moment he bed la bis paseresiee • West giving an aceoliat of matters which ought to sew the peOset midsty to the government, having reforms to the mailltiem of the "May of Victoria. (Hear, hear.) Tbe OM if Illiat eelsay at the present moment arose partly Gem lbe miamme . about the gold licenses, and partly from the seater of pm eadiag by the Colonial-office with regard to the einteeel of wa vier from one colony to another ' • m ad he appealed to their lordships whether these were not MOM which ye. 'faired the immediate attention of the fiwaseizy of Stets for the Colonies. (Hear, hear.) Again, at the Caps of Good Hope they were threatened with a renewal of the Care war, aid there was so Secretary of State inept the Home Se cretary, to give hie attention to the subject. Further, the Australian colonies had seat hems their eionstitutiosa, and these were now awaiting the acceptance or rejection of the Colonial Minister, pending whose 1 absence the matter was entirely in abeyance. Every day individuals connected with the colonies, and deeply interested in their welfare, were sousing from the ✓ometest parts of the world, fur the special purpose of eon tamiestiag with the Colonial Minister upon matters ni- Fi.t to themselves and to the community to which they Their time was limited, set they would be con r son return . to They found the Colonial Secretary Meat ; they found so under colonial secretary even ap pended, and they would be obliged to return, after having come, perhaps, from tbeAntipodes.without having had as op- =ity of laying before the Colonial Secretary of State utters in which they were so much ononmed. Again, window of deep interest were constantly analog in dm Hems of Lords se the House a Comma on which It wee secereary to put questions to the =Liner specially charred with the &Need the colonial department. In this state of things, there was so *plenal secretary in either house. No wider-nentary, be believed, had been ap- point'' , up to that moment ; and, even if an under secretary could discharge the duties of his principal, there still remained the difficulty, that the appointment depended on a noble lord who was at Vienna. Now, as he had ob. envoi before, the inconvenience of this state of ilia's, great as it undoubtedly was, bra to be measured by time ; it defended on the probable duration of the absence of the sable lord ; and he did not know that he should have brought the question before their lordships if he had sot heard, about a fortnight after the noble lord left this country, that preparations were being made for the re moval of the when of the noble lord's family to Vies**, in cluding some very ponegebildren, who were, he understood, to travel so leisure, that seven days were to he occupied is travelling. That appeared to indicate no speedy return to this country, bat, ea the contrary, • somewhat lengthy Way In Vireos. Me meibesed he hoped that swab would be the ease. Tbe gable Imes stay mod be lisethy, noises *On was an abeelelemptere of the ii,,, ism s patting • positive tenelhatilles to the begs of poen. la that case Om Meld, of seam, be Mb(sg to Mak the mile bed very Ire et Vienna; but the nebio lewd% Ihesily arreegsmusts certaialy did not =„ „ a= . expectation et •weedy terinutatioa of Itiddi be (the aid et Derby) thwerely betel as how lb. AIM ig Tomb, ISM to BuoPe• WED LUCAN. Memh Ole the motion that the hiuse at its rising adjourn to ay, Lad ELCHO said be would take that opportunity of • question el hon. gutless* the member for ill iteb e no the , in refmnse to emotion which stood on the paper, In his name, on Toads, last, for an addrees to her Majesty praying that an inquiry might be instituted into (he conduct of LBrd Limn, for ordering the charge of light cavalry at Malaklava. The question he wished to put was, whether it was the intention of the boa. igestleman to bring forward that motion.—and if so, on what day ? His reason for asking IS was this : since the hon. gentleman's notice of motion ap peased on the paper, his (Lord Elan' s) noble and gallant lithe, Lord Loran, had, as the house was aware, in maser place read a latter addressed by the Bli ghter for War to Lord Raglan, dated 16th Deoember, age=Merges so grave u against the professional e.ha• n of his noble and gallant relative as to Iwkwat him. a vase of what be thought due to his Ismer and &erecter as an raw, to address a letter to the Osininander-in- . .lhiet, paying h im to reconsider that deci des. To make the matter mew dear he would read to the hems an extract from that Mese. After acknowledging reeeipt of the runnuniestkes Mom General Wetherell, Nadas that the Ceausander-in-Chief declined to recom. mend a court-martial, his noble and gallant friend's letter went on say—" This letter costar= entirely new matter, sad is replete with mow charges wideming more seriously thee bdore on my professional judgment and character. Thiele new imputed to me, sad for the first time , j iaattek- VIM Sega neglect of another order, and, again, a tetal in eigieetty to carry out my instructions and to avail myself of. *ewe= placed by his lordship at I my disposal. Chary, ' Se pve, and of a character so exclusively professional, m at . se% sabssit, be properly disposed f without military- in. eseligation. I dad myself, therefore, compelled to express my 'axiom wish that the Commander-in-Chief world be induced kindly to reconsider his declaims, and commit to my whole con act on the day of the action at &lobbies, on the 26th of October, 1864, being investigated by a overt martial " His noble sad gallant friend felt that if his con duet were investigated by a aourtinutial he boiod fasterily dispose of and refute these new oi.arges which had been brought against him, sad as he (Lord Rieke) was confident that the only object the hen. member ler Bristol could have in view was the promotion of truth and justice. and that all parties should be justly dealt by, be ventured to suggest that pending the inquiry whki big noble and gallant friend hoped the commander-iweltief would be induced to great, he should postpone his widow Mr. R. BERKELEY replied that the noble lied bad dose WM no mere than justice is supposing that in aitt ie tt nodes to whieb he had alluded, be had say ftin, in view than to further the same of truth medjwatiel. Re had but one motive ; he felt that a grievous wag hod been dim to the Brltiob may, and that win( habit ming a VISIT OF THE QUEEN TO WOOLWICH. The Queen and Prince Albert went to Woolwich yesterday morning, to inspect the troops quartered there, and also the artillerymen wounded and disabled in the Crimea. Her Majesty and his Royal Highness left Buckingham Palace at halt-past to o'clock, accompanied by the Princess Royal and the Princess Alice, and attended by the Vis countess Canning, the Hon. Mary Bulteel, Major-General Bouverie, Colonel the Hon. C. B. Phipps, and Captain Du Plat. The royal party occupied three carriages, and was escorted by Carbineers. A guard of honour was on duty at Woolwich, and re ceived her Majesty with the usual honour'. Sir Hew Hoes, Lieutenant• General of the Ordnance, and Major-General Whinyates, commanding the garrison, received the Queen and Prince, and attended them to the Common, where • troop of Horse Artillery and a battery of Foot Artillery marched put, and were inspected by her Majesty. The Queen and Prince visited the hospital, and inspected the wounded men and invalids from the Crimea quartered them, and received • report from the medical officers in charge, which was presented to her Majesty. Her Majesty afterwards proceeded to the Arsenal and Laboratory, through which she was conducted by the heads of the different departments. The Queen and Prince made a minute inspection of the Ambulance waggons, the new means of transporting wounded men, and the various works of the Arsenal, and then returned to Buckingham Palace, where they arrived at a quarter after 2 o'clock. Her Majesty and Prince Albert h d the Lyceum Theatre with their presence in the evening. The royal suite consisted of the Viscountess Canning, t►e Hon. Lucy Kerr, Earl Somers, Major-General Bouverie, and Captain Du Plat. A deputation had an interview yesterday with Sir Ben jamin Hall, President of the General Board of Health, on the subject of the gas companies en the southern side of the Thames. The deputation consisted of Mean. Archer, Gregory, Harris, Rem, Lock, Hendoock, John Harris, Browne, and Love. Mr. John Wood and Mr. Timm had ea interview with the Chancellor of the Exchequer yesterday at hie official resi dence in Downing-street. Sir Robert Peel has accepted the office of a Lord of the Admiralty, vacant by the appeintatent of the Hon. W. Cowper to the Under-Secretaryship for the Home De partment. The Right Ron. Vernon Smith has appointed Mr. Fitzpatrick Vernon his private secretary.—Globe. Letters have been received from Molina, stating that Sir John M.N•ill, 0 C. 8., and Col. Tulle& btu arrived at that place on theist inst. by the Thames steamer, on their minion to the Crimea. It was ezpeeted that trey would reach Constantinople by the dth inst. T. C. Brown, Esq., inspector-general of Customs at Liverpool, has been promoted to tits surveyor-zeneralship of Customs at the port of Loudon.—W. Lee, Ban., senior landing surveyor at the port of Liverpool, has been pro. meted to the aloe of inspector-general of that port. —Globe. Doves, MARCH 9.—Him Serene Highness the Prince of Leiningen arrived here this afternoon, by the South Suborn Company's packet the Queen of the French, IRA was received on landing by Colonel Streatileld, R.E., Captain Herrick, R.N., and the Hon. Colonel Talbot, who accompanied his Serene Highness to Birmingham's Royal Skip Hotel. After dining, his Serene Highnwis left by Impress train at 7.30 for Windsor. Her Majesty is expected at Portsmouth en route to (Morns on Thursday, and, it is supposed, will inspsct the Baltic feet prior to its sailing from Bpithead. Lord Carlisle has resigned the Presidency of the Royal Society of Literature, on going to Inland as Lord Lieutenant. Professor Owen haying had submitted to him a earefally executed drawing of one of the more perfect im• pressicats left in the snow at Lascombe, North Devon on or about the Bth ult., decides it to be n the hind foot of a badger." The supentitione Devonian' bad already given the track the name of the " Devil's Walk !" Among the deaths of the week has been that of the distinguished water-colour painter, Mr. Copley Field ing. He wee in hie sizty-ninth year. The Atheneum mays that apooimana of art, both from tits Vernon Garry and the new homes of parliament, will be mat to the Park Exhibition. Madams Grim and SIVQr Mario have returned treat Almeria. MR. LAYARD, M.P., in returning his noknowlecig !BMW for his election as Lord Rector of Marischal College, Aberdeen, regrets his inability, from the nature of his duties m a member of the committee of inquiry into the state of the army in the Crimea, to state definitely the day on which he could come to Aberdeen. Mr. Layard is the youagest rector on the reU, being but 38 yean of %s. tilt' eranti. TO CORRESPONDENTS. .dvartlanateta inten the ded tot " The ?Apter," London Evtaltg par er meet be at the Ofii" 10, Bouverle4treet, by Two o'clock oil ' day of pablkadoo. HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE. Tom DAT—horning, 511. 50m Afternooo, bh. Om. To-moatow—korniag, 611. 29m Afternoon, 811. 62m. LONDON, SATURDAY, MARCH 10. LATEST FROM ABROAD. (aT CONTINENTAL TELEGRAPH) MADRID, THU2BDAT, MAUR S. A battalion of Marines left Cadiz to-day for Cuba. 5,000 men will leave in May. The army of Havanna will be augmented to 30,000 men. The Bourse closed very flat to-day—the Three per Cents., 32.90 ; Deferred, 17.50.—Daily News. Telegraphic accounts from Vienna mention inter views which had taken place between the represen tatives of the Allied Powers there ; but the Congress had not opened, as Prince Gortchakoff was not yet 'prepared to offer his plenipotentiary powers for examination.—Daily News. AUSTRALIA. (BY lIAORETIC TRLIORAPH.) ARRIVAL OF THE ARABIAN. (PROM THE CORRRIIPORDRICY OP THI DAILY Jaws.) LIVERPOOL, SATURDAY. By the arrival, this morning, of the clipper-ship Arabian, Captain Banaatyne, belonging to the White Star line, we have dates to the 18th December. She has brought, besides 200 passengers, 58,000 ounces of gold on freight. The principal part of the cargo is wool. The price of gold was 31.175. at the departure of the ship. Ballarat was quiet, and tranquillity restored. The markets at Melbourne were over•etocked, and prices low, and general trade inactive. The Constance and Delimy, from hence, had ar rived at Melbourne, and the St. Helena, from hence, at Sydney. FALMOUTH, FILIDAT. The Admiral has arrived from Melbourne, with dates to December 11, and landed mails. The steam ship Argo arrived out December 6. The Ballarat rioting had ceased, owing to the re tirement of Mr. Foster, the colonial secretary, which, by the colonists, was hailed with considerable satis faction. Off the Heads the captain of the Admiral met the steamer London going in from Hobart Town, with WO troops on board. The price of gold was 3!. 18e., with little doing. THE PROJECTED "CAMP" AT ALDERSHOT. SOME time egu It was announced that Government had it in contemplation to establish a camp at Alder shot. Ground was procured, tenders advertised for, contracts entered into—all for the construction of a camp. When Mr. MONSELL introduced the Ordnance Estimates, he still spoke of a camp. Bat last night the House of Commons was surprised by the intelli gence that what has been called a camp is intended to be permanent barracks. These permanent barracks are meant to accommodate 10,000 men, of whom 7,000 are to be infantry, 1,500 cavalry, and the remainder artillery. Various advantages were enumerated by Mr. MONSELL and Lord PALMERSTON as likely to result from the estab lishment of barracks on such a scale. They will enable us, it is alleged, to have at all times a large body of troops collected together for exercise and drill. They will serve as a preventive of the de 'moralisation to which soldiers are exposed by being billeted in large towns. Lastly, they will relieve innkeepers and licensed victuallers from the oppressive billeting system. We are not disposed to deny that there is something in these ar guments. Oar troops have hitherto been too little trained to act in large bodies; but might they not be so trained although distributed for great part of the year as they have hitherto been, and brigaded for some months annually in temporary camps ? Camp life would teach them lessons they can never learn in barracks. Again, soldiers cer tainly are exposed to great temptations when bil letted in large towns ; but are they not, at the same time, brought into more familiar intercourse with civilians, and guarded against contracting the habit of looking upon themselves as a clan separate from — perhaps opposed to—the citizens ? Lastly, the billet ing system, as it at present exists, is an intolerable and unjustifiable burden en licensed victuallers, and ought to be entirely changed or abolished ; but is there no way of doing this but by dotting the country with strongholds garrisoned by ten thousand men and upwards? . These cursory suggestions show that the expe diency of establishing permanent barracks, on so ex tensive a scale as is contemplated at Aldershot, is not so self-evident as Mr. MONSELL and Lord Ruatraurroat would have us believe. We are therefore entitled to complain of the surreptitious attempt that has been made by Government to introduce so sweeping a change in our military arrange ments by surprise. Lord PALMERSTON maintained that such large establishments will be required after the present emergency has passed. He observed that it ban been a great mistake that Government and Par liament have hitherto acted, with regard to such matters, "by fits and starts, not upon any settled, steady, consistent plan, but aooording to the impulse of the moment, and the circumstances of the time." There is much truth in this; but the extensive change now proposed, with a view to remedy the evil, ought to have been frankly and honestly sub mitted to the deliberate consideration of Parliament and the public. Lord PALMERSTON and his col leagues have attempted to obtain the consent of both to a great and important innovation under false pre tences. They have asked for leave to construct a temporary camp, when in reality it was their inten tion to erect permanent barracks. This sneak ing and dishonest mode of proceeding en titles us to suspect their intentions. Parlia ment and the country ought to insist upon having time allowed them to canvass the proposal in all its bearings. We want an improved army to defend us against foreign foes, not to enable Govern ment to rule us as it pleases. We must, therefore, be cautious and wary in granting our consent to a proposal, the effects of which are so dubious, and which has been pressed upon our acceptance in to sly and suspicious a manner.—Daily Neter. 1