The Express. — London, England, 1850-08-03 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS—FRIDAY, AUGUST 2. The Loan Caascattoa took kis seat at the anal Mar. BOROUGH GAOLS BILL. On the motion of Lord BEAUMONT this bill was vela a second time, and ordered to he committed on Tuesday PUBLIC LIBRARIES AND MUSEUMS BILL. Oa the maim of Lard WiILABNCLIFFE this bill was teed a wooed time. THE EXHIBITION OF 1861. Lord BROUGHAM inked if it wen true that the road laming from Hyde-prakverseiv to Zensiagtria was to be paved with heavy gear its Nene for the parries el the Great' Yabibitica. Th. noble lord also isommeated am the decision of the Attorney General respeetieg the proposed injunction against the building in Hyde park, tad dealmod that if each prendento were followed op the ameritiatinal avvereign of this measly might become, with the maidens of the Atter. ney•Geueral, the moat ',volute monarch in Eaton. The LORD-CHANCELLOR bad refrained from spoilt. lag ea this subject he'ort, bivalve he thought that the way in which it bad been brought before the house was Irrelevant, and because it was possible that he might have to pronounce a decision on the subject is another plies. If his leaned friend would give the bongo a legitimate opportunity for a debate on the subject, he (the Lord C ) would an (intake to prove that the Sawa of the Attorney• General was insvery remote a legal and substantial maser. Lord BROUGHAM insisted that he bad hew perfectly in order In alluding on the _preseat eveades to the condeet of the Angevin. Genera. There was so geodes's to the right of 13V J.Bassilly to act as Le had done, bat it walla gaieties whether he lad acted with die disceetion. The Memcnis of LANSDOWNE thought Lard Brenham oat of order in what he had said reepeetiao the Attorary- General. As to the question above pelvis( the road, seek a step was never c - ntemplated, hat this contractors had under taken to pore the say from the Princee-gate to the building in the park. LIVERPOOL CORPORATION WATER WORKS BILL. Lord BEAUMONT brought up the repent of the soled committee on the subject of the signatures to a petition in reference to this bill, the effect of which was that, although the parties presenting the petition had sot boon privy to the fraudulent practices resorted to In obtaining signatures, they had shown a great want of Forestial is the employ- Meat of their agents, and is sot anartaiang whether the nistree were load fide or not. MONTEAGLE said it woe a meet hapeenat sub- Mt, sad be should call its atterstios of the house to It cm Thuesday sat. COURT OF CHANCERY (IRELAND) BILL. This bill, which was read • taint tines yinnorday, was new passed. din Yam introduction of an amemmeat proposed by Lad BROCONAM. COUNTY COURTS EXTENSION BILL. A costumes tin took place with rofornce to this bill. Oa the return of the maaagen, the Earl of Br. Gomorra mated that the managers in the part of the Common had gives in their reasons for dimming from thair kirdehips' ameadmens. Lord BROUGHAM stated that the OMENS. bad Rada men' ameadments, to which ke would advise the borne b secede, with one exception. Tsui Common had restored the Hawse which made it compulsory ea Sews seasons to give up their town halls to the judges of aftway seam without he or compearation. lie should Man* advise their lord to leVet that clever. art ELLENBOROUG u was of a similar onions. He knew of cents is which very hank preseedinge towards town councils had taken place Rader the pretest law. Atter • few words from Lard B1•17110lee the considszatin of the Commons' ameadmeam was Seed for lioaday next. CIVIL LIST. Lord Remnant and nose other peen were appointed to coaduet the eonlefehee between the two Uses on the County Counts Enemies Bid. Lord BROUGHAM said that he wished to see aa exact account of the savings which had boon aimed is the eivil Nat. No one amid be less disposed to overthrow the bar gala made with Ins grime, but at the same time there could be ao objection to the production of the papers for which he was about to move. By the revenue returns it appeared that upwards of 148,00 W had beget saved in the civil list on the year 1849, and Its wanted to know the different depart ments is which that saving bad bleu effected. The noble bed then sassed into various details connected with hi. motion, ad concluded by Macias that though he had no objection to withdraw it sor the protest gigolos, he should be PIT:.to renew it at an early period next yew. ! d inged' of LANSDOWNE objected altogether to the motion of the noble lord, bees 'e considered that any re turn conaeoted with the arrangement of the civil list would be a violation of a compact sawed tato between the Sore riga and parliament. Considering the temper of these times, kw was prepared to mist the loan infringement of that onspeet. if any applicadoe for montane to the civil list were made to parliament it would be time enough to inquire into the way in which the sums granted by that list had b e es spent. but no such application had been made by her Majesty, and there would be as much indecorum in instituting any inquiry on the subject as there would be in sailing upon any private gentleman for an account of the way in which he spent his income. Lord BROUGHAM explained that in framing his motion he had wished to avail all indecorous invirsigations. The Duke of WELLINGTON was 'eerie to any inquiry as to the way in which the money allotted to the eeveril dame in the civil lige had been sprat. He could bear testi many to the great paerosity evinced by her Makaty on several occasions, and had often objected that sufficient pro- vision bad not been made for be demands on the bounty of the crows. Lord MONTEAGLE expressed hi. regret that the present motion should have ban med.. This was the first time it bad ever entered into any one's head to inquire into the es. peaditure of the civil l.st, and for his port he had always tkoi.ght;that the arrangement entered into is this matter - between the crown and parliament wag final. Having had the honour to terve under two ',missive sovereigns he was happy to state that no persons ever felt gee .ter alarm at tte idea of incurring debt, ore firmer determination to live bade p odent:y within the income aniseed to them than the late King and her preeent Majesty. Lord BROUGHAM thought that his old whiff friends had mightily changed slue they had tasted the sweet' of ally. He moneyed the time when Ia the House of Com mon he mode nylons for inquiry into the revenues of the grown, for whisk hie friends woo now displayed such extreme seagitivenegs erred without a word of objecion. After came further disturbs the motion was withdrawn. MERCANTILE MARINE BILL. On the motion of Lord 011ANYILLE this bill wag read a mood time and ordered to be referred to a select committee. Their lordships roes at 8 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.-FIuDAT, AUGUST 2. The S tack the cludr at 12 o'clock: LEASEHOLD TENI:RE . /IF LANDS (IRELAND) BILL. On the notion of the A17'01617 Gaissast., this bill, which had eons dons frees the Lords, was read sant tine, sad t►e woad resales flied foe licteday seat. CRIME AND OUTRAGE (IRELAND) CONTINU ANCE BILL. Oa the order of the day for reading this bill a second 1 tine, Kr. 11. J. O'CONNELL suggested that there sere dames in it ulna rendered it a nosey bill, and the gram ma being of opinion that it did satreash upon the privileges of the how.. The SPEAKER bad looked at the clause us question, sad, se far as he could undentand, it did appear to autho rise, under certain circumstances, the issue of a certain sum eel of the ceasolidated fund. As such it wee clearly a money bill, sad one the introduction of which in mother place sleeted the privileges of that home. (Rear, hem.) He cesearred, therefore, wish the hon. member for Kerry that it ought to be laid aside. Lord J. RUSSELL, after what had fallen Isms the chair, would not ask the house to proceed with this measure, but moved that the order for the second reading be discharged, and his right hon. friend (84 W. Somerville) would then mom for leave to balm in tooth,/ bill instead. TM order for the woad readies wee read sad discharged l. ala ltri. It UWE LL then moved for leave to Wag is a bill to continue the act for the suppression of crime sad outrage la Ireland. Sir W. SOMERVILLE thee moved for leave to befog in a new bi:l. obeervieg that, although the seedlike of Inked, as regarded crime end outrage, had very greatly hemmed since this assome had been crigiedly letroduced, there were indicatioaa which should induce parliament set to deprive the Lord-Lie weskit of the extraordinary power con fared by this bill, and whisk had been exersieed temperately sad wisely. Calmat DL - NNE trusted that the bill, white be thought was elm mike' for, would be metinited for a very limited period. Mr. S. CRAWFORD wed. as en ameedmest, a resole that the distressed people of Instead ham horse their usemapled sufferings with seibminion to the laws, mid that It is sot jest to renew measures of uneonstiritiosel semis% while the redress of grimaces esenested with the Matinee of laselleed sad teem% have been neglected. Re expatiated et Rosa length on the mfferiags, the patience, sad 'advance of the WA people, and epee - Me Mese, of them isessene of .slay improvemeat whisk had been promised by the gweeromaß opecially of any attempt to settle the lamella& sal Mute debts. The amemelmost wee meceded by Mr. Illeveot.ne, who likewise dilated open Irish grimace% end opposed the ta- Mr. RAPIER damply lamented that the Nutmeat of the landlord add tenant (poetise—ow of groat practical die. ealty—h.d bi ea delayed; but all boast' this delay had boos prodoctivo of public ird dry dad grievance, this Wei no mood for vitiating a proper woman of preceolloa, which did sot mudding with the rightist:say boost masa, which was only elliaul Hato active iu caresnalsaaus of dodgem to rerpractho ensmate of mienief, sod widish NA oat hies Amid. Mr. Nevin made a @tamest of fans relating to the anemia*. ties of Mr. Maul on, refined to by preceding speaken. Lad 7. ItUIMMLL —I am anzious to addreas the Ws" bourn the his. gentleman, sad the right boa. widow who wooded the mottos, have proposed to refuse thins powers which the government ask for for a limited time, monde while I sortainly think walnut be conaidered by this his... Becanse, what to fast tb.y say mounts to the Yo n ken lad a law anbintiag (or a cl an by which you tun, shamed the Mate of sosin) for the time from one of prevalent wine avid Wimp, hem OM of tenor on the put el the pososside lalablisals, Eros sae canards, sad assmanalito, toques cly and =UM, eanallina. tato 0 " 91=1 stair. wad nogg ty. Crime ha greatly ; these entreess hen berm far lei. frequakthan hemsdy ; the posnable laltahitants, whether kmAtords, tom% or khowang ban kit gr.stor •in at they ham Whir* ins. The country coring his the anus of impronmeat, which it tat Ill i so ohne ad acing* an the rah a eon safe,; bums with die sosilldneeid PultlZ o w : l4l pawn matnnall es yea by pad insist, cad abase of these pewit, yea hue established ungtilißly tad ' astior g altuffirothspnisinat is utterly uidesemkgsfassr Mao% ma thsiliAns was will Taus you any coatimastas of them pecans sail linden yea ors utterly taawortkr Al Si ' pawn whin yeas Nan human ask. Nat.*. I iftlied that that is by art yams Outdid& ground ka rehear* the piton whisk the guseasnat ash- Idi ass say that sash powers an to In for ever contimsed, bat at itho sues time when kesoaratik gratinum &teethe those power; as shay ham destelbed this, as eithversivo of tat rights of ths Irish people as British subjects. I coaland that that is a totally wring denriptiou of the pawns gins by this an. It is an as am having the =with* I thlak is 1333 sr 1334 were granted by par to provost say disowns& is public meetings of any alleged grievants of ski Irish pimple • it is sot an an like the former insurestion acts, by which ens the peanable ithabitants of • district wore prevented from spin oat at night ; it is cot as act which, at lent as I think, affects this legitimate rights of the inaceent and poaceatola—it is an act which gives power to the Lord-Li/mutant, whoa a district is in a state of dint:banes, whin offences an (request, to that district,and 'hesitate metals oraseganore riet is . Tha Lord-Llestinaat may plus la that district a atiastabulary which man be a protection sad a security to the pennoble ishabitants of that district ; cad at the nine time orders may be issued that arms shall not be held, ex cept by persons to whets licensee an granted for that pur pose. Aad thin large purees an not granted to load magistrates, or persons affected by the local pumices or politics of the district, but are the delegates, per sons named by the Lord-Lieutenant. Powers are gives that in districts where mann' nine, and crises of that hied are frequent, to take arms from pereoni who, after ample notice sad produnatios, peesisted in rusiiitg them. (Bear, hoar.) Now, I say, it is sot a nab' denintion of each an act as tole to say that it is an sot sabvinies of the oonstittt , bocci rights of the people. I admit that such rights should not hi asked Is atlas they are Denman for this wolfs» of the people for whom they are enacted. But, I oaten I have had a lesson oa this subject which Witten me to say that 1 will not part with pawns of preeerving peace if I do not feel tioneincied that theardinary laws withal' sash exmordiaary powers will meals the govenissat to =Matteis pens. The noble lord said he had had a Wan la the ceangutese of the abaadonsamit of the Arms Ad not to part with powen mktalatad to preserve the Indio peace until the ordinary law was found snakiest for that purpose. Be was, however, count that the art should be caudated sly until the 31st of Doonaber, 1351, and the ant main of pnliament. Parliament would then hue the gaieties pia be fore them, and have to coaskin whether the continuanos of such powers was desirable. Bat (said Lord John) I would certainly entreat the house not at pitman to dodoes that they are quits satisfied that no sash pow ers are ascusary sad that Inland should be left daring the ant autumn, without the exercise of each Rowers. With reined to the landlord and tenant question, which was sae of extreme difficulty, ks noble lord said the cabanas,- meat is which the government had been pissed by attempt ing to legislate nut this sabjeet had reduced them to the alternative uf either ezeiting discontent in the north of in land, or actin' cosine, to the rubes which ought to regulate the rights of property—la fact, to a certain extent, treader riag property from one to another. tacker these circus steam, and cos sidering the intrinsic difficulties of the wres tler, the government had thought it 'Nominal to pause for a tins bekre they urged forward a measure opts this nbjest, though they had not been backward in intrados:lag other 1 1 meanns beset:id to Inland. _ . _ Mr. M. J O'CONNELL would not eppeas the introdu lion of the bill, as its operation had been limited to two years Mond of four ; bat he could not dissect from the reeelatioa moved by Mr. Crawford. Mr. BRIGHT masidered that no case bad been made oat for the ineleare, end that the diminutioa of crime and out. rap is Irelaad bad aeima from other ceases. The bill being, in las opiasoa, asamsomary, he elould oppose lie letroduetioa. Mr. MOORE moved that the debate be adjourned, and after a long, desultory, and somewhat angry discussion, ul a division advises to that swim Lord J. Russell gave way, and the debate was adjourned until after the other orders at the evening sitting. The home resumed 1.0 sittings at half-put 3 o'clock. PETITION PRESENTED. PROTIIITANTISX.By Mr. I'LUMPIRE, inns a 5110311- nos and respectable body of persons attending the annual meetiog of the Protestant Associatina in L radon. in the present year, praying parliament to provide all such good and lawful means as may be devised for the defence and pro motion of protestantism, protesting egair..st the national part and endowment of Vie Church of Blow and praying for the sapprorion of ntoesesterin end nunneries, and for the final prohibition and banishment from the Coked King dom, of Jesuits, and members of other religions orders or societies of the Church of 821110 bound by monastic or r.rli• gious vo 4s. Also from Ashl-y, fk.affordshire, to the same effect; and from Killinkere parish, dioxins of Kilason, County Cavan, praying that all state support to popery may be withdrawn. ------- TURNPIKE ROADS RETURNS. Mr. BOUVERIE brouaht up a large bundle 01 returns respecting turnpike roads, which he begged to lay on the table, instead of forwarding to the Journal-office, in order that the boas. might see the nature et returns which mem bers occasionally, without consideration, moo, d lor. These returns had occupied two years in preparation, and were utterly valueless. (Hear, hear.) It might be desirable that some means should be adopted by the now., to prevent the unnecessary trouble and expense thus cccuioned. After ems conversation as to the expense of printing, the returns were ordered to lie on the table. THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENRR, AUGUST 3, 1850, =who, he said, astutely hated the eirineen. He alas the wretehed mina Wee width measeatime es 'the mediae gamiest.' juries to at present emedeend. • Mr. HUME beet era the &Wen necessity el Ilipeitt• Ing a public promentor. INDICTMEMY FOR FORGERY IN DUBLIN. Mr. SC CLUE-etmi the Chief flemitary for Ireland whe tter It Was a he that to.. bills of ladiehneet were mat up end head mese Gimp Mathewk idiot Demean Clio ben, at th e ti'''nt esminission Is Greesoneet, Dublin ? M e mo Moeda ark thinners of the elmer esa llgenet doe said ffieth bed Mg era SNP st a darer taken te emeetthe neemid hadi hem is seder stead that Mathew wee as ems Delft and is Ludes shoo thebdis were Sir W. SOMERVILL3I that tree Ire led been fired ageless the Individuate gaged= Isetirrsh hi that it weed be eneedingly Ineeseenient to aphelia lessetly the nature of the 'barges whisk would be ',sheered NOM him by the law oaten of theorems. Beefy ant bed hem mile to dissever the seemed party. r, Mr. fRITYLLY asked whether ka had busied In the Ha* =day. mil Menlo/ a reward had bees offered he his "Prmake ? .. SOMERVILLE &relined to mown the queritioa. WE DI VISION OF POPULOUS PARISHES. U. IL HALL mired who**, the government had had a bill ender their coasideration for the subdivide. of populous pebble he ecclesiastical end spirited pummel, and if so, whether It would be laid on the table this meson ? With re forms to certain livings likely to become vuteat4= due/age. imolai of 3,664 L 'year. sow held by u and compridag 3 disdain rectories, he mated Is lofty mile thee the government had mode any ememesisatles to the Bishop of Womanise, expressing a hope that then seham, en becoming nese, might be divided for eceeMe per. Sir G. GREY odd it was his internam is the puma session to ask for leave to lay • bill ea the Whites the ode jest sew hunght ander lades. He eitield me ester late Me dotage, but it weed Us over for eseederaties during the recess. lie believed the livings referred to were held by law as me living by Lord Gotland. sad that lie maid oat he judged la making any ormtheoleatith le the hemp Mth reforms thereto. No doubt ponies Oh* hthehom beer le mind thet • bill wee chest do be Ishredseed bl i the goverment for the sab division et monism paddies. THE METROPOLITAN SEWERS. Sir B. HALL said the maaagemeat of the omen of the metropolis had lest an immense rem does Lumber, 11147, sad he asked whether It was the istenties et the meow meet to are their attendee to the enbjenderieg the mien r G. GREY said there amid be se ste'ril'e tip mmHg: it. He believed, however, that the seemed had bees strictly audited, mad that there had bees so neglect ef deep • the part of the Commissioners of Sewn.. BARON DE ROTHSCHILD. Mr. ANSTRY said he wished to state to the house the course he latended to panes with re gard to the notice of motion he had given, and which coed for that day, relative to the City of Loaders election. Lest night, on hearths the extraordinary melee given by the Attorney-General of his hoisting to ea the house on Monday to COMIS to a jadgmeat adverse to the shims of B eras de Rothschild, he thought it grey due to the bases to give him an opportunity ef being heard by counsel at the her, particularly se he undent that counsel was reedy to appear on the baron's behalf. Re thought than, and he still thought, that It wee his duty is propose that morel be beard, hue at the same time, he did not wish to take •mserse that might be injurious to the berm. Now, the baron's prendenal advisers were of ("Olio. that the notice ought to be withdrawn for the pre sent. He would, theretore, out of respect to them, not withdraw the node*, bat pompom it melt Money, is order that the fable lord at the head of the government sight then have an opportunity of 'eying whether he thought the proposal a just an I equitable one or not. He hared,_ how ever, that th e ewes lord, attar paring all the votes of sup ply, would feel himself in a peonies to pay little shanties to the Mabee of the citizens of Ludes. Lord J. RUSSELL—If the hen. member for Linden wishes as Monday to be Hard by compel, I will pay every Meath. to that wish. (Hear, bear.) SAVINGS BANK. DEFALCATIONS. la reply to Mr. H. HIRDIST, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he could not cement to postpone the vote relative to the Deal gallons in the Dublin reormthe bank until Monday. SUPPLY. The lemma then went into Dom aine' of supply, Mr. Bruit e is the *air. 0.. the proposed*. that 1,6601. be voted for the repairs end Attie, up of Holyrood Panel as • palms of reception for her Majesty, In answer to Mr. Home, Lord SEYMOUR said that some apertmenb in Holyrood had lately bosom* vacant, and they were being prepared for the occasional reception of her Majesty in pawnor throe* Settland. The vote was roily for repairing .rd painting, end sot for furniture. Mr. HUME wanted to know if Holyrood was to be fitted up as a palace. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it weed be a groat cot:meows to her Majesty In musing throes It Scotland to be able to sleep in Holyrood, and the apartments whisk had been given up were to be prepared for that purees'''. Mr. HUME thought, that in them days of quick transit, and considering what good hotels there were in Edinburgh, they were commeneing ea ill-advised express. Six een hun dred pounds appeared a small as= ; but the Queen could sot occupy those apartments without four Wars that ee nese being incurred. He entered his protest against the way they were going on with the public money. Colonel SIBTHORP said this appeared to him a most ex travagant vote and a regular job, and he should propose that it be reduced by SOU The entailment being put, Lord J. RUSSELL said the hon. member for Montane looked with a proper jealousy on any grant of public money, but he thought he would see that this was not one to be I complained of. It was not the commencement of a large' expaditure ; bet there were some rooms vacant in Holyrood palace, which had been opeupied by the Countess of Strath more, late which her Majesty ould put furniture witboet any expenn to the public and then would occupy them. Col. SIBTHORP begged to ask whether her Majesty bad made the slightest request en the subject or had any know ledge of t h at expenditure. Lord J. RUSSELL would state whet had occurred. He had informed her Majesty on the report of the Duke of Ha the keeper of Helirood, that the apartments formerly occupied be the Counter of Strathmore were vacant, and he spited her Majesty, at the suggestion of the Duke cf Hamilton, whether she would wish ti occupy those "penmen's on her may to Balmoral. Her Majesty expressed a wish to occupy =sad it was his nosiness to state that some small sum be necessary fur repairs ta order to keep the rooms mother *the (Hear, boar.) Col. SIBTHORP would not add another word of objection le the vote. Mr. HUME objected to such a vote when there was a Inge allowance for purposes of Mate, and care should be Nina to me that it was adequate for the repairs of all the royal residences, whether here or in Scotland. On the un demanding that this money was merely for the repair of the sputments which might be occupied by her Majesty, and that she was to provide the furniture, he would not press his objection. The vote was then agreed to. THE NEW HOUSE OF COMMONS. A sum of 9,4001. was then proposed fur altemions in the new Home of Commons. Sir D. NORREYS said be had gives notice of his inten tion to ask whether it was intended that the house which they now occupied should stand niter the completion of the new one until they had had an opportunity of trying the effect of the alterations. He hoped they would not be de prived of the present Mute. The CHANCELLOR or the EXCHEQUER could assure the hos. gentleman and the hones, that there was not the least nodes of pulling down the present house in the nottioe, for, as it was sot coatemplated that they should occupy the aim horse beton Easter next year, they must sit la the planet home for a time fully sufficient to anemia the results of the experiment.. He hoped the house would aliow the experiments to be med. In this respect. Colonel SIBTHORP said that there had not been much benefit from the 'heretics in the new house, and be believed that important body to whoa hearing was of most cones queues, had not found any banal from them. Mr. HUME said there was so vote more calculated to bring theme en the Hems of Commons than this. Nearly ft minioa and a half had been expended en a building which mm la the state whisk it now was, and the principal driest, a chamber for the limn of Commons, an Retest teal had bees found tritely inapplicable to its =l. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Barry had a high character e, but were hie acquirements node and as **public segesNN.l They passed through an enormous bending, seested for what purpose he (Mr. Hams) knew not, and on searing the room intended for the House of Commas they hand it totally unfit he their occupation. Now, hero was a vote for putting on • false roof, coming half way down the windows, making it altogether an alter for which any school-boy would have bees Reseed. (Hear, bear.) He held this to be a moot discreditable Tote. All the fine and goody exterior ornaments were a waste of money, and answered no useful purpose. This 9,0001. would be had, and then 9,0001. more would be wanted to take the "Inn done dowe, mad ens then they would not have a pl ace t o go into. There had been ten years spent on this buntline, when they had been promised a new hones in two, and he dared to say they wouM be 10 years more. He sh ould vote against the grant. Me STAFFORD was sorry the hoe. member for Mont rue did not make any proposition. Oa his own s h ow i n g the new home was unfitted for Its object, and yet he dl not propose to keep the present on.. That this was a dis. creditable vote there meld be no doubt, and it would be so by the whole empire. T responsibility of the rixstrl The the homes of parliament was shifted from the architect to the committee, from the committee to the Woods and Forests, frees the Woods and Fonetc to the government, and from the government to the House of Com mas., so that no one was responsible. The mein chamber of the banding was the House of Commons. Yet they had spent two menden, sad this room was a derided failure. He hoped thin would be the lest occasion on which they should have to refer to this humiliating subject. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER tha t : they would not omen ee say practieel conclusion by da what had permed with regard to this bundle?. He was cony it had ooet so sub, aad that the new House of Com mies had not auseseded either as regarded accommodation or hearing. With regard to the gentles of accommodation, memalthes of the Maw, consisting of 21 members, had mode diligent inquiry as to some plan for this object, and the result of their Inquiry was now as the table of the house. He believed he was justified In saying that 8,0001. would be the last expense thawed In obtaining 6 ,l, qat t s aceommodation. The plan deeded on would Word as meek oeconswedeties arweuld Mr be maim!, sad more *ea wee eonteilesi is the pram* Mese, sad if that were Si. there mild heftily be say apapiehtt. Is this rapist, *ea, he V/45 wrested fa wise this mid be the last enure. He wished he could spelt Whit the maw andidesee ea the suWeet of heariog. Oa this point he could give no positive weerasess. Mr. Alderson HOMPHIRY wished to know w►et wee to be dace fee the 8,1001. He believed they wild build a new house Wafts that (eke old) house sad West aastw•bell for 10,0001., fat saps/elm to the new house they bed now got. The CHANCELLOR of the BECREQUER laid it was proposed to reaseve the wooden mesa et aunt end of the Ito es two feet . . Mr. BRIGHT—Lad skive the MIOTSIITS bask. The CHANCELLOR ef the EXCHEQUER said be thought the repartees would be moved afoot or two beck. Then there was a staircase is frost of the gallery, aad all in frost of that mahouts wenald be throws into the house, and the doom is the entre of the hoses would be walled sp. Then the division lobby would be rather altered, so that they alight take the names ea the division ors mails in at sack mod of the house, avoiding the Ineasessienci, of going up Main or down stairs. The lower room would be so altered as to give additional roam, sad no members whatever would sit on the elute gaiety, whieb would be appropriated altogether to distinguished visitors, or to ordinary strangers' orders. The side galleries would be so altered se to allow a double row of seats, and they were io great hopes that, by advancing the gallery, the heating would be improved. Mr. Alderman HUMPHREY inquired whether there wee as estimate ado, suet of three intended alterations, sad he repeated hie opinion that they might build • new and • better kiiuse cheaper. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that he could only say that a lugs committee of the house was appointed on the subject, and they had some to the condos aim that this wee the best mode of affording the requisite After a few words from Mr. Lacy, Kr. Paolo, and Lord R. Grosvenor. . . . . . ' said the eionnaittee had acted entirely up to the instrections given them by the basso. He believed that the new house would be found well adapted for the purpose. With regard to the sambas who were likely to be in the house at one tire, he thought the number present during the late debate on foreign affairs was a fair criterion of what the Wrest number would be. Without wishing to speak offensively he might observe that they knew eery well that out of the 658 members of the house only a certain proportion attended the debates, and if there was accommodation fa a certain number out ef the house the debates would go on quite as well. (A laugh.) Mr. B. OSBORNE said he entertained the opinion he had always held that they could make nothing of the new build. lag, and that the best thing they could do with it wee to devote it to the exhibition. He despaired of bringing the house to anything berme they appointed committees, who did all the mischief and never inquired fully into the subject. He asked the Chancellor of the I:chequer whether he had ems to any determination as to the claim of the ar chitect. Mr. Barry's original contract was that he should have 25,0001. Committees of that hones had chosen t t alter the plans, and he tow called es them to pay hiss 75,0001 , and the Chancellor of the Bzehequer was now fighting that question with Mr. Barry. He wished the Chancellor of the Exchequer to inform the house whether he was going to pay Mr. Barry 75,0001., Of he was going to law with him. He did not wish to make any atteck on Mr. Berry. He thought Mr. Barry was quite right. If the House of Commons and i:e officers were so neglectful of their duty as not to look after and control Mr. Barry, Mr. Barry was quite right in indulging his tube. He hoped the Chancellor et the Exchequer would give Mr. B-rry 150,0001., and let him retire altogether from the ma nagement of the Hosea of Commons. He did not approve of the suggestion to pleas this matter in the heads of the chief comasimi MOT of Woods and Forests, who had already as meth to sin as he was able to attend to. Mr. NAPIER sMd yesterday morning be found a groat improvement in the hearing. Lord Et GROSVENOR thought with the hon. member fee Marylebons that the ecoommodation for raeraben was safficien., but he did not think the accommodation for strangers was ruffieient. Mr. PACKS remarked that daring the discussion on the Irish Registration Bill there were more than 600 members i• this house. Mr. OREENE &Asti whether really end practically there wan any inconveniince in that house for want of ramie, That house held 416 membirn,allowing 10 inches sitting room for each, and they could sit closer theZ that. The new u house would hold 463. If they mode a large place it would be unsuited for badness Mr. Alderman HUMPHERT said the present houses was so small, that it held oat an encouragement to vice— (laughter)—beesuu members who could not find room in the house west into the smoking•room, where they would not go if they could room in the hone, and some went into the library. Tney might see numbers in the library, where they at and slept. (More laughter.) Sir B HALL said the largest number ever in the Itouee was on an occasion in 1836, when 626 voted. The plan of the committee would sooommodate between 60 and 60 mem bers more than at present. M. OSBORNE said he thought there wee reason to complain of the acoustics in that house as well as in the other for some time ego he put a question which he supposed the Chancellor of the Exchequer did not bear. (A laugh.) The CHANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER said be did hear the question. He was in communication with Mr. Barry. What the precise sum would be that Mr. Bony was to not vs was not yet settled. Mr. OSBORNE —Hu he received anything already ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—He has received the amount, I think, of 25,0001. As the discus. si'm is drawing t', a clout, I wish to give my testimony to the pains taken by the hon. member for liarylebone in this matter. If our condiiins is improved is the new ►ouse, the house will be much icdebted to my hon. friend. Mr. BRIGHT mil he thought the house did not properly treat those whom they chum to call "strangers." He thought that the turning of them cut whenever thug was a division, was en useless andalmoet barbarous custom, and there ought to be aineommodation for a guater. number than there wee at present. Apart from feelings of privet, curinity, he believed there was • great public advantage in allowing to be present al many as they could find aceom• =edition for. They came and understood the forms i• which the business of the hewn was eintlueted, many of them most admirable forma ; t►ey had created in them • strong interest in public stairs, which was communicated to their tanedi a, anti to the circles in which they moved ; and he etought the more they could bring the actions and the opinions of that house into harmony with the intelligent portico of the public out of doors, the better. He wa► extremely anxious, therefore, on public grounds that the ' committee in stek'ng the alterations which they were about to make should c. raider that the accommodation of the public was a really important matter, and that they should accommodate as many u circumatanses would admit. Mr. HUME 'aid if the contract had been broken it hod been broken by the *lterations made by Mr. Barry himself, and on that &ermine he ought not to be paid. The committee cave to Mr. Barry the number that was to be provided for and the cumber of visiton, three times the numbs/ accommodated in the present house, and it was quite discreditable to Ind that an architect who received that instructions both us regarded the number ut visitors and of members should so completely have fatted in every respect us he had done. . Lori D. ST UART agreed with his hoe friend, the member for Manchester that there should be more sccointavda- tion for strangers, and said he could see no good, but greet inconvenience, in the practice of making them withdraw during divisions. List night, • division was called end strangers had withdrawn, • minister got up to make • speech, members observed that the reporters had withdrawn and of course began to call out "gallery." The withdrawal cf strangers always costribnted to con fusion, and if it were necessary that strangers should with draw, he suggested that the reportets for the press should not withdraw. They could not by any means run any danger of coa.muoicating with the house, or getting into the lobby. By not withdrawing they would no; be them selves inconvenienced, and they could hear observations which it might be of con& queues that they should hear. Sir W. JOLLIFFE concurred with the hon. member for Montrose, that the Chief Commissioner of Woods and Forests could not undertake this matter. Government ought to take the matter upon itself. He hoped that before the expenditure proceeded say further the government would obtain imentille and impartial aid. Mr. SPOONER wished I 3 know in whose hands the ma nagement of the ventilation was placed ? Mr. OREENE said the ventilation of the New House of Commons and of the chambers attached to it was in the bands of Mr. Barry ; that, of all other parts of the building was entrusted to Dr. Reid. He regretted to hear such frequent attacks on Mr. Barry. The labour which he had performed was inconceivably great, and much of the blame attachsd to him belonged to the house itself. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY had always been of opinion that too little responsibility had been vested in be commis sion. Sir D. NORREYS quite agreed with the hon. baronet. The noble lord at the head of the government, the Chan cellor of the Exchequer, and the hon. member for North Lancashire (Mr. W. Patten) when appealed to, equally dieclaimed responsibility. Still it was for Mr. Barry to show in what respects he had been thwarted. He called upon the professional members present to direct their attention to the subject. The question should not be leR to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, but should be referred to persons who would take care to remedy, is far as possible, the existing defeats. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought the house must see how imp/amiable it was, usefully, to enter intotinute details. (lieu, hoer.) He considered himself responsible for not suffering any deviation from the plan which had been approved. Mr. DISRAELI was unwilling that the present vote should be regarded as • vote of confidence. The period of the session was too late for that. He had had no idea, how ever, that the question was so serious that if you went into the lobby with the intonate' of being an " aye," you might come out • " ao," and of wares that point should b 3 taken into coulderstion. (Hear, hear.) It was high time that these discussions were brought to a close. It war a scandal in the eyes of Europe that auk eontpleints should be con. Usually published. What was meant by responsibility ? In this country no profit Isles had ever utomeded until an example had besa made. When Lord ?dueleslithl was impeached, the impartialityofJustice was mewed; when Archbishop Laud was decapitated, due proehdOn was sada for the responsibility of future archbishops; and they might depend upon It that by only contemplating the potabty of banging an architect, they would were due reepeaiihnity with regard to public buildiegs in future. (Laughter.) Mr. WAKLEY said he was one of those who thought the bearing la the new toga was at first very defective, but he thought that the sell hid been to a great extent remedied. The ate was thee to. $O,OOOl was prof to enable the government to afford said to the depositors of the Ogife-etreet (Dublin) Savings Bank. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER meld he need searcely tell the house that the circlaillafiell under which this vote was proposed were very painful. In the committee which bad sat to inquire into the cireumetanees that lei to the fellers of certain savings beaks, the hon. member for Kerry (Mr. H. Herbert) and the hen. member for the city of Dahlia (Mr. Reynolds), bad manifested th e greatest porible concern for the interests of their constituents, and the want of greater awes was met owing to lay feat of theirs. The report went very ally into the etr- careateneve standing the beauties*. The committee' recommended that erimaal proesedinp should be cont wanted what the actuaries, on the ground that they had not secounted for diflerest sums which bad clearly 001119 into their posanion. There had been great negli gence on the part of the trustees (he was willies to sup- pose that there had been nothing more) ; bet there was evidently no chance of obtaining from then any such amou n t as would afford effectual relief to the depositors. Under these circumstances the committee had thought that it would be yen fair to recommend to the government that a coatribution should be made towards defraying a portion of the losses failing on the depositors, who consisted mainly of the very poorest clause of the people in Dublin, and who, but for this contr , betien, would be exposed to a total las. That was not quite the can with the other banks, and on that account the committee had thought it fair that a dis Unction should be drawn To a v.ry large number of the depositors in the Cuffe street Bank 10s. in the pound sated be paid ; and if anything could be obtained from the tees. ter, they would receive that in addition. He hoped the house would not refuse thus to remedy the inju ry that must otherwise be Inflicted on the poor depositors by the failure of the,' ',silks. BirJAMES GRAHAM said he sbonld like to hear a more detailed explanation of the circonetanses. The house was called upon to vote this:rnoney without having an eppot tunity of reading the evidence, inaction the report of the pro- ceeding@ ails select committee. He had said *mottling about a parasite of 10s. to the pound. Why 10s. in the pound ? (Neer.) If there was an equitable dais for these losses, the whole ought to be paid. (Hear, hear.) lie further wished to know the precise difference between the Tralee can and that of the Cure street bank. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Paid the re commendation of the depositors in the Cuffe-stre,t bank to the favourable consideration of the government was the una ninaous opinion of tlte committee ; as to the other banks there was no doubt a difference of opinion. The boa. mem ber for Kerry (Mr. H. Herbert), the hon. member for Dublin (Mr. Reynolds), the hon. member for Stroud (Mr. Scoops), and the hon. member for C-irk (Mr. W. Fagan), were in favour of a similar oonaideration being esteeded to the case of the depositors in the other banks ; bat a majority of the committee, tight to four, thought that no each case had been made out either for Vale* or Kill imey. With regard to the second question, as to the precise sum of 10s. is the pour.d, he could only say that, as in the opinion of the ma jority of the committee, there was no obligotitn in any way whatever to make good there losses ; and, as the grant could only be considered as a tharitattle donation on the part of the rovernment, it was thought that this would be a fair mode of dealing with the looses. Sir I. GRAHAM—A eotaritabls donation on the part of the government or of the British public ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—On the pert of the government, as representing the public, of course —a vote of parliament, pr 'posed by the government, and made by the representatives of the people. Sir J. GRAHAM slid that if the grant was proposed as a matter of charity, it was • most dangerous example to set. On the other hand, if the claim were founded in justice, why was a payment of 10s. in the pound proposed ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the ground of the distinction between the basks was this : The Cuffe.atreet Savings Bank was, in point of fact, insolvent 20 years ago. They had concealed the rate of their affairs from successive governments; but 12 years ago, in 1539, • statement of the circumstances of the tank was brought unit,. the consideration of the government of the day. They did not feel that they had sufficient power to apply • remedy to that state of things—to compel the bank to close its proceedings and wind up its affairs ; but they recommended an investigation into the accounts of the bank. Al this was stated in the report. The committee said— Tour committee dad, with rennet to the marines bank in entre street, Dublin, that it was established in 1410, and that the deposits continued to increase until in leter the habil:nee of the bank amounted to 167,7291. 1 le. ltd. That in 1031 a large deficiency was di-covered, owing to the misconduct of the registrar, Mr. Dense, who absconded in the early part of that year. That in consequence of the diseevet7 of this deficiency the position of the bank wee broaph. order the notice of the commissioners for the reduction of the national debt, but it dam not appear that the real state of the hank, or the hill amount of the actual deficiency, was com municated to the commissioners. That Mr. Tidal Pratt, the arbitrator a"pointed by the easimissioners under the provisions of the set of parliament, proceeded to Dublin in the spring of 1031, and adjudicated upon such claims as were sub mitted to him, pronouncing claims to he extent of 7,3891 ham be legal and valid, and directing them to be paid forthwith, and pro nouncing certain other claims to the extent of 4,2741. to be illegal, but recommending them to be paid out of any future surplus which might accumulate in the funds of the bank. 1 hat Mr. Told Pratt d. es not appear to have considered himself suthnrised to inveetigate the affairs, of the bank, or to have been made sequaintel with the real irate of those affairs, and believing that the then deficiency did not exceed the sum of 1., for which the trustees expressed their Teatimes to become reeponsib'e and filling that, under P a radent manages:ma, pt uture surplus migh s . to attained, he Om bank te be keupeo. That the trustees kept open the bank, but did not comply with Mr. Told Pratt's recommendation to postpone the payment of his award for 4,1741. (ibe amount of illegal claimel, but paid that sum as well as the amount of legal claims '7, 5391. es.), and • luge amount of claims subsequently made, which h ad been concealed by the dishonesty of Mr. Dunne. No proper investigation appears to have taken pleas with reward to the latter clam of claims. That though in 1031 public confidence in the bank was somewhat shaken by toe discovery of the frauds committed by Mr. Dunne, the deposits subsequently ineressei, Ind in 1042 they reached the sum of 261,2121. lid., which, however, were largely reduced by a severe and long protracted run at the end of that year and in the beginning of 146. _ -- That the bank cloned in 1819 with liabilities amounting to 64,7711.3.. 6.1, and amets amounting to 901. 16...51. 1 hat subvert's , ntly to 1831, in consequence of grow mismanagement, If not from conduct null more reprehenaible, the definer ey then esint log gradually increased, until it reached in 184, the amount shown in the preceding paragraph. That the trestees and managers of the bank did not comnly with the pruvidous of the act of parliament, either in furnishing theirsc i counts annually n due time to the lemmas:4o*er' tor the Reduc tion ' of the Natheal Pebt, or affixing in the odes copies of suck accounts far the intoirmation of their depositors. That nosceounts whatever were furnished to the Commissioners in 1823 or Isle; and that tot accounts turnithed in subsequent years were not only full of gorse errors, bat knowingly understated the amount of the growing deficiency. That the account furnithed to the commissioners in 1813 showed a deficiency of 3,6711. 12s. 24., which fluctuated largely in the following year., until the account tunnelled to the commiesiocers in 1817 exhi bited a ..eficieney of .',92it. 16a. Id. That in 1338, when the acknowledged deficiency amounted to 23,371/. 6s. 6d.. the affairs of the bank were for the reeond time brought under the notice of the commissioners, who recommended that • thorough investigation el the Bromine should take place which the trustees posiuvely refuted to allow. That in 1845 the state of the bank was attain brought under the notice of the conimissmorrs and the Chancellor of the Exchequer. when the trustees were recommended to clove the bank, which they refuted to do. not the only powers vested by law in the coneniteioners, for the &erection or impression of mirconduct in the management of navings bank, apes ar to be : I. That of giving notice In the Ca.tette in the event of irregularity to the furnithing the annual accounts. 2. Closing the account of the bank in default with the commistion ere ; in other words, refusing to receive further monies on account of ruck beak. *kat the theamlsioners dbd not exercise these powers, partly troth a mirstvian as to the effect of an earreiee of their authority, and partly from an unwillunguraa to run the risk of creating a diacredit of . then .... That though the powers vested in the commissioners are not 'frect tual for preventing all tom to the depositor', it seems clear in this ease that if the commimioners bad noticed pub'iely the irregularity In the furnishing of the immure, or U in Ilse, when they required an in. mitigation of the affairs of the bank, or in 1313. when they meow. minded that the b ink should be closed, the commissioners bad closed their account with that institution, eueli a step would probably have led to a wiadirg up of the affairs of the hank at that time, aid the losses of the depositors would have been lees than they eventually have been. That if the bank had stopped in 1834, the depositors would have re ceived nearly 16s. 6d. in the pound • and UM ISIS, the loss to the de positors would not have much excleded Se. in the pound. That your committee are inclined to allow due weight to the consi derations which they believe influenced the commibioners in IE4I and in 11141 in the court* which they pursued, but that they cannot but feel that, as regards the depositors, who are principally of the poorer classes, a different course would have prevented the total 100 of all their rutin. s. That there doss not appear any probability of obtaining front the trUI, tees or otherwise any runt adequate to cover the looms of the depositors. Your committee, therefore, influenced by the considerations detailed in the preceding paragraphs,while they cannot admit the existence of any legal liability on the part of her MsMity's government, recommend the owe of the depositors in the Cutfestreet Bank to the favourable coreMieration of her klikiesty's government, with the view to the adoption donne measure which should at least mitigate the extent of their less Such were the grounds en which the committee made the rcommendation,notsa a charitable relief, but out of a eon- sideration of the'conduct of a previous goiern meat. Mr. H. HERBER T, one of the committee, said he felt it his duty to protest against the course adopted by the right hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Either the money was demanded as a just claim, or as a charitable donation. On neither gronad mould the grant be supported. (Hear, hear.) If it was made as • charitable donation, where was the difference between the three cases concerned ? In all the direct misery had been produced to individuals and families. He had hoped that this vote would be deferred, in the belief that many now disposed to oppose it, would support it after reading the evidence. If the grant was sup. ported on grounds of . quit , how did the government stand ? Two years ago the Chan g for of the Exchequer had opposed every possible delay to any iuquiry a: all. A committee was at length appointed; they reported last session, and though the right hon. gentleman had sought to quash the inquiry, the result was the avowal that toes* were parties who ought to be punished, whom the government had sought to screen, but who he hoped would be thoroughly punished. If, again, the plea was ad misericonriens, and they relied on the gross insprovidenee and mismanagement of Mr. Tidd Pratt, pie case was the same. On the failure of the Tralee Bank, ale- Tidal Pratt was called in to award between the depositors and the trustees ; he hurriedly made • number of awards, on which sedate were brought agaiast the trustees; but Mr. Justice Ball ruled that the actions could not be main tained, breams the proper notice, had nut been served, as required by the act which Hr. Tidd Pratt himself bad drawn. The awards were accordingly set aside, it might be said, oa technical gruirudaj but Chief Janie' Blackburn, in delivering judgment, said the arbiter had not goer though • duo counia of inquiry, and had nut arvrtained the right of the 'Pis s vagaries ought to be taken up, not as one of local, but of natiosal importance; and he hoped that justice would be June , not only to the Irish, but to the Enallak banks. (Hear, hear.) Mr. J. A. SMITH, the chairman of the select committee, gave • history of the defalcation, of the bank (as detailed in loblif:tantbcobji,e7gthkruiffiaPtateebieikeel)llleg distiagiculeathutpo,°4•""pesiZtorsralltHaiti:etthrheteltifoti°::::",:thety::_t::.44:l44goil "Mrto. RitsEacrthO LD 7B" naa thy d ieo tn ui lso e te l t ai h a n m e t "e h d .e ra tha ibt : i dc r u t a h i trboarLri:,,.... in the local truants and the commissioners ( o wee rt the wis n d t i o from o e t e bad H sending every year a true and full statement oi th e :4 - the beak as required by the act of parliament, and (1 4 1,..'" , in ant closing their account with the bank when the e the aat was not complied with. If they had doen'„, -- ` 4 , beak would have been obliged to close its aff.i ‘e e depositors would have been In a much better pootti l o: d h e — e that were hi saw. The state of the affain of the ssioners luinktn—ni beat brought ander the noti ce of the commi and 1845. and if they had tone their duty in the f in 1 • n ; year, by closing their amounts, the depositors would r °' c l o 4- ; 18t. 84. in the pound; and in the latter theirl would not exceed ss. in the pound . Ha ir e (,hear ) had not the oomminionen cloud their account with bank Mr. Higham, the Comptroller of the Natiottl tYe Offing, stated that reasons of state policy prev ented the front doing DO; and that state policy he interpreted to be an apprehension that a panic should he which would cause a run on t h e other tressed and so shake public credit. (Wm..) He re hoe. friend the member for Kerry had celled for ponti„, greeted ': meat, as postponement in this ca se wou ld be deal to „ ea." However, he WU pfllolllld tO fairness the %%ow •• leatalment, believing that in the g inn ,r , was bound to pay the balance also. Ile thought the ha a t . member for Kerry had made out an equally valid ca., k r the Telles and Killarney depositors and he hoped h e would be succeuful. (Hear, hear.) After few words in explanation from Mr. J. A. Sterne, Sir J. GRAHAM believed hit position was similar to that of every hon. gentleman who had been a number of th e select committee which enquired i nto toe question .rings banks in „mg. (Hear, hear.) I.Mul h e I . Graham) bad received his parliamentary papers that tun. ing, he had no idea of the present vote being brooght tea. ward. The proceedings of the committee who inentigated the matter, were printed and before the house . an d thought they were uniner deep obligation to his hon. friehi opposite (Mr. Smith) for having elven some lieht as to he nature of the enquiries conducted by rum in the tonne of th e present session. (Hear, hear.) The question before them wu one of very great importance, and which they were eal.id upon to decide on insufficient evidence. (Rear, hear If the case presented to the bowie were realiy stetta4oe. evidence, he repeated the imprusions 'huh b e J. Graham) had conveyed to the bout gun he last addressed them, were only streagth•ted by what he had just heard. (Hear, hear, h e ., It was not &Frahm the payment of 10.. in the pound that v. protested, but against the principle. If they revel on grounds of justice it was too little, and it ea compaseinn it was too mach. (Hear.) It appeared that, with the toe: : Lion of the Lord Mayor of Lublin, the boa. member !Or Kerry, and the hon. and gallant member kr C:rli nty taa committee were of opinion that the depositors had no cl:hen either in law or equity. (Hear, hear.) Mr. REYNOLDS—Equity was not mentioned ; it wu said that they bad no claim in low. Sir J. GItAHAII bad understood the chainrun o' rte committee to say that the depnsion had no claim e.:cti in I.w er equity. He must say that he feared that this vote they would establish a dengero...l precedent, .ci therefore he should earnestly entreat the novenae ct postpone the vote. If they would net attend to h tion, he must. however reluctantly, divide agsiast it. Colonel D(NNE would agree to the oostpws , ment:f vote if any further evidence could be eapecttd. I.Lit the evidence had been on the table for a year, and he did n,t see what othcr information they could require. He thou.! cot. 'Maly vote for deciding the question that (miming. Lord CLAUDE HAMILTON cuid he entirely coice:ded in the view of the li , eht Hon. the Lord Maytr of Having watched the proceintino of the committee with ini t interest, be must tender his thenks to the ch , :rmso f r :.e untiring zeal which he had exhibited in instrtuatmr ae claims of the poor contributors to the Iri.h saying• "au , The noble lord, amidst the impatience of the b Red •rtes of " divide," then referred to the proecediLoe of Mr T. Pit., who had appointed two boys, each of the sec of 15, as %rotors. Tce Chancellor of the Execequer h.d used C. ts influence to prevent this case coming be:..re the pub; .c lie rose net for toe purpose of oppcsing the vote—tar fr:m .!. but he rose to warn the house and the committee that !nat would not be the end of such vette. (Cries of '• Mr. GROGAN said it wag satisfactory to those who SA supported the case of the depositors in those flanks dist the government had at length conseLtel to pay them a •un of 3),0001.; but why should the payohsht of that morey bs postponed till next year for furtUr The case was so strong that the government ha! , threc :a nay Lai of the claims of the depositors, and he r.•, -.1 should be injured by further precra :mat: Mr. HENLEY said that the eavernm _ this money without stating on what pr.r.e, about to give it. They could not tea clam on the principle of charity er c.f justice. IL wa• to giving it to them on the ground of charity. be. were justice in the claim he would give them pohhd. rei•ln why they • FT! TT.Ir g tr.ky Wire BROTHERTON, agreed with the hot. zit...-stn wbo had just spoken, end was indisposed to LA.- until there was some further inquiry. If the w, equitable Ul2O b• would vote use It. 'Mr. MORRIS supported the vote, because he : clued it wu a just one. Mr. S. CRAW FORA deprecated the ides thr •:. should be coniidereu as a matter of charity. He that justice and equity demanded the payment of the v . . .e d•bt, if any at all should be paid. The people ia?ae.l ..; ', the government as responsible ter the money leh.za •Ltyr placed in these banks. Mr. BRIGHT said that there was a great di:feret:e tween the case of some banks that were sps ken of at: Cuffs street bank. The state of the law was such make these savings banks in reality little lest than s the people who subscribed to them. Ile sitroed w. hon. member for Rochdale in thinking that there ‘v universal belief that the government were respono. the sums which they deposited. Speaking of the nument and the commissioners for the red.. of the national debt, ho must fly th:: connived at the transactions of the Ca..l:-='! bank. If the right hon. gentleman would erica :7 • 5 ... provide security against fraud in future, he wni:3 to the making good ail the louts caused by oast nee er. riga/did the Cutfe-street bank, he woulo,w.,..ngly r:te the whole 64,000(. The CHANCELLOR of the EI:CHI:A.II'ER sal :`re wee no pretence for saying that in the case at the Ext.:Le bank the government was at all imp:is/tea. The q..ieft::a there was one of pure sympathy and humanity. sod its cue was not be distinguished from that of any other s:er is bank failure. The cue of the Curie-strict omit ass a ve:7 strong one. Mr. NAPIER entire', aimed with VI: her.. weeal , er for Manchester, that the COMlllMiontti, haTtnta,':a:e d their duty, the depositors wed entitled to the DI:: amount. lie would only vote for the 30,00 W. as an it.ta:m The committe then divided. For the vote Against it This being the last vote, its passing was rave , d Witt :)21 cheering from both sides. Toe rotes passed on the last committee day were reported and agreed to. WAYS AND MEANS. The house then went into committee of ways oral mesas, when the resolutions authorising the remisey advances for meeting the supplies voted for the year were pawed. To be reported this day. trs; .r CUSTOMS BILL. This bill was read a errand time. SIARLBOHOUOII HOUSE BILL. This bill was read a second time. INSPECTION OF COAL MINES BILL. Sir OBEY moved the second reading of this bill. the object of which was to prevent the aunsProws accidents which had recently occurred in coal mines. The bill had coins down from the Lords, where it had passed without opposi- tine. After some discussion, the bill sou read • second time. IiEtiISTLIAII 01' 11.71 tildrlTS OFFICE tIRELAND) BILL. This bill was tead a third time. SAVINGS BANKS BILL, In reply to Mr. 11. HYYPEYT, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said be could not tie any day for the sec.•nd trading of the bill, but he wished to take an early discasaios noes lt• LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND) BILL. This bill passed through c lumina, pro krona. MUNICIPAL CORPORAT IONS (IRELAND) BILL. Ou the motion that this bill be read it third time, Mr. REYNOLDS objected to the measure, and cetiP plaineil of its third reading being brou:ht ou at that hour (ens o'clock in the morning). The bill would snoop the municipal rights sod ptivileges of the burge , ws of and it had been ustroduced without any we'll', taticn with those moat interested iii the subject. He felt it his duty to protest against this bill from the an'. although he knew he could not defeat it. The bill was then read a third time. APPOINTMENTS TO OFFICE, &s., This bill was ordered to be committed this day three months. DISTRESS FOR RENT (IRELAND) BILL. This bill was ordered to be read a second time tbn• ,14 1 three months. The other orders of the day were then disposed cf. sod ;Le house adjourned at half•past one o'clock. TAMING OFF VOX TR, RIMAINPRIt OF TOP Sp+,:,,S —Mr. Hrald with Mr. Jaeksai, Lord Larishint rs oh Mt J. Townley, Mr. Heywood with Mr. Blair, Mr. tiaki,l with Mr. L. Hayworth, and Mr. Bataan with Mr. 1. 1 , Duncombe.--Mr. Pato did not pair with Mr. Cnictle•ta lonescuo against Mr. Heywisod's motion for Unoreritty t• fore, haring paired with another inemhir in its kraut- - ; Col. Ghanaian paired off in favour of the Erilreanl , g" Canna Bin with Mr. Grano against. - - COURT OP ALDIRMIN.—At two o'clock yes'erdi! afternoon a court was held for the despatch of the ressainda of the business upon the notice paper, prii r W the uniAl re!' Lion. The sher'ffs having notified to the court the' (. liedgkhason, Esq eitiiten and spectacle maker, had ?.. 6 returned by the livery as Merit for the ensuing tee. C majority of 420 over Charles 8. ttetle-,, tuet gentiers was subsequently called forwardtake the oath usually a:. ministered upon such cooes!.ons, and to give th . requ '°. securities. Boers other bustness of no putties tteeeottance es' then transacted, and the court adjourned rine die. :.Ix:fiSisloN BILL. Mr. GREENE appeared at the bar, and reported that be had solicited on the part of the ►ouse, a coof.rence with the Lords, as to the amendments made in 'Me bill, and that their Lordships had agreed to the sane, and appointed it to take place Immediately in the royal gallery. Managen were then appointed to conduct the conference on the port of the Commas, end, hawing returned, Mr. Greene!reported that the mansion had handed to the Merl of St. Germans and the other mananen on the Fatal the Lord., the reasons of the Commons for disagreeing to the Lords' ameadmeate. SKITHFIELD MARKET. In reply to Hr.r. iiIIaTIICOTB, __ 81r 0 OBEY announced scat it was not the intention of the government to bring in any measure this 110114ila Dr the removal of Smithfield market. THE EDUCATION BOARD. Mr HENLEY wished Toa;i;hrtifierii; Kai Shuttle wor.h held any office at present under the Privy Council in connexion with public education or otherwise; or, It lot, whether any person had been appointed in his room to the ones he formerly held under the education board ? Sir (3. GREY, la reply, stated that by an ceder in council, dated June b, 1810, Mr. Ralph Robert Singer had been appoieted to the oboe of Amistant4lemetary. Sir Key Shut ' tleworth had retired from the office some time before, end now held no office in cause:ion with the educatinoal com mittee of the Privy Conned. The reason why Ur. B.ager had been appointed as Asaistant-Semetary, was, that the act of parliament limited the number of clerks to the board to tee; bet, In point of fact, Mr. Siemer held the aloe which Sir Kay Shuttleworth formerly fi lled. DOMESTIC POISONING. _ _ Mr. STANFORD inked a question ss to the intention of government to owes aty measure to put a stop to this grime. Sir 0. GREY fund he sbculd mot be able to ley may bill ea the subject before parliament daring the present session. STAMP DUTIES BILL. In noir to Hr. MuLuxus, Tao CHANCELLOR dike EXCHEQUER sad OW Ito hoped dariag the present melee to proceed with the Bump Daties Bill u at mama framed. EXTRADITION OF GERMAN REFUGEES. Lord D. STUART wished to pat • question to the go verment as to the reported extradition of certain Ginn refugees from this cousin on the demand of the government at Frankfort. It heel been reported that a German refugee bad been seized at Roll, and given up to the government at Frankfort, on the accusation that he had been concerned I. the murder of Prince Lithuowsky at Frankfort, sad that tire other German subjects, who bad taken refuge in this wintry, had been denuded, end had only not been given up because they had escaped to America. The question le, wished to ask was, whether it was true that any foreigners reeding in this nein had been denuded as esteem& by any ef the German governments ; and if so, whether they had been given up in emikquence of such demsed, or what amen had bees returned to such demands by her Majesty's government ? (Rees, hear.) Sir G. GREY bed ne informatien whatever as to the= tieular ease refined to by his noble friend as having pin at Hull, but had every roan for su that no smolt sees had warred, inesinnek as en had not bag sines bees made by • foreign government to the Forelfp•affe to deliver up two persons re• siding in this esantry on the roud that they bad been Implicated in the murder of Prince Lislemowsky, and the answer returned wee, as it had been is other MIN, that ao treaty of extradition existed between this country and that by which the demand was merle. The only nutrias with which we had such a treaty were France sad America. fa the ease referred to, therefore, as the law slid not authorise the delivering up of forsignen under such circumstances, he could not suppose that there was say truth in the report to which his noble friend had alluded. - 861:7fg - iiiTROT , OI.ItAN SEWERS. Mr. T. D'EYNCOURT, pormant to notice, pot a qua " "as the entdeet of two widow remade presented frees the of 81. Mary, Lambeth, and Bt. Odes's, Camber rolative to the state of the omen in the menopolltaa SWIM south of the Titania," bat soundy a word of what the hod. gesitlemna said was beard la the gallery. Lord IMITMOLIR admitted that the statements of the =Vibe had signed these undoes were bat too wea ns stablest of the drainage of the south side of the Thum bad oesopled tM attendee of the tosualealoaers that day, bat is ssme.gsam e of the chaises of three mud ben of the board we doe•diced had bees some to. Those nemben, however, wadi be preens ea Mosday, sad U the boa. goalless% weald postpene his qsastioa till Tuesday, he hoped to be able to din a sunfuten answer. THE HOM(EOPATHIC ASSOCIATION AND MR. WAILLILY, DUN. Lord R. GROSVENOR, having pulsated a amities from a homosnathic association, oomphlaina of the conduct of Use deputy coroner for Middlesex, la reference to a semen noun, pa the sett= that the Bpsakm leave the chair, Mr. welt= delsdded the unduet of the oaten mon. plaided of, sad dssoassed the petition u as audacious attempt at advestking mi the part of the homonathle