The Express. — London, England, 1855-07-21 00:00:00

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Ter tbildren It is oppei al", resransawded gasisdas die basis of a brastiral bud Ohs& Prfee Sr. rd. ; 1..; isoll= {mind wken mall). Vs. rd.; sad doufda that sate, —Oa the waspgas sr orb bowls are ths wards "Row_ lisassise Oa.* in two tines.—da I by A. ROWLIIID and Kim 111, listruslawde• lawdos; and Iry amidst, and perisattwa IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—FAmmr, JuLy 20. Tho LOID CitAttomos took his loot Dm the woolotek at 6 &cluck. THE LEGAL MEABRAS OF THE GOVERN- MINT. Lord LYNDHURST comil;itied of the abortive tune to which the attempts to pus legal and other mmenris Lad led daring the prompt 11 , 1101011. The LORD CHANCELLOR threw each blase on the Commons, who bad evinced mush inattention to measures originating in the Upper HAIM LAM BROUGHAM. made wane remarks in presenting a petition praying (or the adoption of active measures for the abolition of the slave wade. _ . . LB BILETIIONI PRXRCII GRAMMAR FOR BZLF- IsaTatiCTIOX. gem to the FRENCH LANGUAGEI tape *o7 &doe/ for paw obi wialt to sandy that • JO1411.10:0 Of a Teacher. By J. J. P. Ls 8R1TY 1 1. 4 74 P f .ed ,a.l corrected by L. BASDIII, Pracbabr of Lanimeno. OTC 1 . .. b.. cloth. them use prookol hobkitio. tba amthoilcul oryangesneut elaeataition. oad minutemen of dirk silcalated Susanne, orteral pummel . may be safe, mem dcd as laving maimed • pmettoo la yobbo (scour not sully to to Aston. ' ..-Noralas POill. '' Of Oa natty walks tLat hobo coma 'later our notice foe Machine "liiur sae. Ibsen eIL - -Ilant. Ativm-t in r midlemity remsamead B. as ealy to repos.% Ma to men ptanood Mahn 4 - - .l•Maral Clownea artateetti" et reeked Sod combeetomen et oziontioa."—Now- London : Plinplds. Noreoll, B Co. IWIls Whin .. wi t h Adiltlare. croon octavo, (0) pa, e% 104. Id., FTUDENII3 MANUAL 4,f MODERN HISTORY, eselethin a the Sin azol Promo of w Dread pal Eatroyean oes. their P , il' Dal Ills tory, and the CM la their Sods! thesii ow with a tithe - , of the Colonies tolled by Baroyouss. By W. 0.010 TATLOO. LLD. Leath • : ME W. Parton rad So% We* Suand. essth bed Chweer &Mee. WO yew, sts.. QTUDRN'I'S MANUAL of ANCIENT HISTORY, selatshaind ths Peals' Mow. deogisphica Palettes, ad Age sof the peesettel Sather of Antiquity. sliet.tesi /moos the * D etest h titers itltiortrifesi by the Dbeoseeto of Models &bolus rd ?mulish,. By W. Coos. TATUM, LL D. Lasko : JAB W. Parts, sad bon. West Wool I.L. J soblaned, leew_ppl E urs=o Eli CU ILABUTY cirMtr i aritN ; being ....NM i.wksammling tar rest prominent sad Imports= I . olw Sla the TIIII Ot irte Menem Op E. H. iIAN• DOI. Os the f Ceases al setair Oteet. nos Plosialnen lese dealer Plipiaira is the oe Ifteeri it tee. Sp Op mos Mahar. prise lia dd. • TIKSTIt.t: on ANIMALS lad DUMAS= el the REA T. 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DAVISON and 80 , S, Booksellers Mil NOWI4IIIII6MI, $l, Tromplagtoo.etteet, Cambridge. TEE DAILY NEWS: LONDON MORNING PAPIIt, prise oasimped 4d.. Memel Id. 1 / 1a leiadlart Joarall, the advasatarl tree *Amerce aad tap road rearm& ext;Tunt valued Ito general sews—Mtbs wirer at Ito Ilbkw warts. ana tn the varied mercantile sonmeurelal Warw. rantained in railway. and ineoswy artier--thk paper =I: I. O:MIiteSPONDETITI3 AT Will NWT or WAR. ITS TOULON NEWS IS JULIA 41ILS ARM IMPARTIAL. As very 'arty report of ablWnor in the Indha ear la rap ped to tt by troy Overland M, it 'attains ME MILT DAI LY hilli and lll4o REPORT, Vitt, list of yr,. IT TXCLUDIS ALL OM/NITS ADITISTIMMIIIIIII. Mireektly Wormier. plerlas. per by num Ws dry peamerat ray a/ liammem lets ier lus. by MIS lady Warned" addiend De limit p a Daraft sod gadVsa . Z War Is say. Tri be agreed rift larebefte at roma= Is Ds kingdom ; or at WWI" ik bonersoareet. Plesastrad. Laska. Pa I diliasig be IV pmeinsie gibg Da gaper by softy mooed malared Flaa, the pablaar so eggliorlaa, al* do am pad ready fa sap* 110119/.01. per inerat.sdi la raw* by Part.aere racier. WILT NEWS LENT TO READ, from 8 a.m. IMO 5 reill.• h. per week; agorl od in town or country, at Me., for Si. per day, or 131. (unotensped) rx , r arta ; by Mr. WALTIAN vet. inpra. In, Tonle-Anal, %%Wilms. n All:f NEWS FORWARDED to the COUNTRY by EVENING VON, et Itte. ed. par v. mufti is Memo. c s IOUN 41)00100. Upper. Albray.a.., Negmeepak, lookaellar bed Newt Agent. -VAILY NEWS LENT TO READ, in London, at 19s. par quarter.—SENT by NOISING MAIL, at LI Ifs. 9d. USING DO., 19s. 611. par qr.—U. ADAMS, 9, Parilaatest.strett, Wolsalmeter, New lam& DAYS WATS/R.—DAILY NEWS LENT TO ARAD; and aandlad to dta anantry try events* post, at 19a.(d. Mt quarter, paid la ulnas& L BMW; Browc•brna a apersipat. SPORTING. _ e _... NOTTINOHAId JULY MBETING.—FbiDAY. Tea B PI/131 OTAXES of 10 own each, It ft, with SO added. kr 3-p-ode, oohs, Ist TM i bilis, re Db. Certeln penalties and abowana t. T.T.C.(14 set) 117 IL Low! % Duet, by Jericho, 74111 b. (Wells) 1 Mr, J. feott's et. Wales% by Flateatcher, Set 41b ( Hoses) 2 Mr. barber's Ilba klarkaway, els to Mies Littler, Ist 3lb Forster) 3 TES CIONTILIMILD HANDICAT of 13 we.. sash, 10 (J. ft. and iam Slt distend, So., with SO added by lb@ bade Cbsserdelo ; ths owner of Ws lead hone to ra ni book his stake. Penalties for cereals wilt en. Clew ails and • half. (Si esti; aof when pay . sou. each.) Mr. Johneksw% SoUierbant, by Tombstone, S yrs, Bet Sib (Bates) 1 Pk C. Note% Ties:, Sr., Sat 7lb (des) 2 6 Mr. J. Barber ' s Domino, 4 yrs, Sli lib (Inaluding 3.b cur e (J. Patter 3 Tat OLAND OTAXD *ARM Of 40 eon., added to a of 5 arm each, kw all ages. Optional setae, welebta. • silo. (10 sea) Mr. Ca•k's flees. by Thlagos, 3 yrs (541.),' fist Mb (LOX) 1 Mr. Fryer's Nestor, 5 yss (XL), 7st 7lb (secret) 2 34.11aieweire Veisoir. 8 yrs (.01 ). tat 1310 (Boss) 3 Mr. T.Gralltbs% Crlpple, 4 yrs (3t1.). 74 Lb (Wells) 4 'as by hell a Snits. VlAlfer and Cripple were doss op. The Weser was afterwards sold kw I 23 grilasse. Tat Poseurs M (I7 AMMA, of 2 ours. stet, with SO added; for Y all aeon Me ails. sew). ULLA Bert% Lithe (Lb.), by Fasigh4.l3•llask, seal, Set tilli (Wel 1 Ml.T.Pare% bet sewn, 3 yrs, 74 Mb ...... ....... —... (Aiiiersit 2 WeAlientbre bee OWL 3 yrs fat 1111•1111esbees &seem 3 yrs.'s. Mb .. 10111/f Brews/ i awis..Z . vllll 25 idled, for 3-yrs okis and ',wards Om ails. 3 sobs. Mr. Ihnillet °lllll.l"i lerfl a .‘p Laub Mss., 3 yni (SOL) ISt eh SWOoI Mr, Kanytes Morey Mask, 4 yrs Pie) 7st 31h ..... I 1 (Ckalton 12r. Wee% *AA 4 yrs. (.10L) bet lab. purried 7st end. 3 be Weed is bete& Was seams. b y a leareb. he tkieL The winner wit __ kw IS Ilia gamer% harmer Iblis WI hew of ail arr. Lyre. W 7et 711 i See, he i lieu Ile Ms s nd ail* fat Mb. Two ogles. Ifir. latoplis, by Pew, 5 7111 —IL Maw) I hew% Goodiali. I yrs .....—.......—.... (Web) 2 Obi carlstiet Debase, 5 yrs —..........(W. Web) II slum AT MANCIITATEW— __ GOODWOOD amass. . _ 10 to 1 aid Waft (14 _ 1 i b Wi11e.41. 1111 1 tO lifitebalba (I) 14 to ielpfalM IS to Closotalt 16 to hos (411) 11 to Puilimwono(t) 20 to Wag (t) 33 to —• TOttooit (t) 31 to IltrObted (t) GOODIOOOO CUP. 7 to apt WOMB (I) adds (t) • lo 111101114kle (1) Kirt RAILWAY.—The board of directors kers ordered the mention of a contract for the ooestructian it Ike Um his filmed to Canterbury. The bridge works L ..____ 11 " 1 " 41 .7 and the first portion of the li ne Me river Medway sod Gillieghem will be pro- . espied with et seem se sa to be completed oesteeiporane- Mil with the Wine began the and of neat year. In the oiesatime .. . mob elks, purlieu of the lies so may be deemed "avii•tO with be pot is hand coder the contract. The to Rent Railwaylztenolos to Dover Bill was yederds? hod 'third time the Home of Lards; sad th. bond Inn already oedema Me permanent enemy to be impend, tbet se time asy be last in eostaemeng the weeks as ass se Me am b eimined 91199,1 L PaLACL—arrtrAnte DAT—JULY minimises en paymett, 9,286; ink) by semen *WM 91.•••Tetek Tam lordardpe adjourned at a few ainakee peat 8 o'cicck. HOUSE OF COMMONS.-FRIDAY, JULY 20. TM erzoLks took the choir at icor o'clock. I'MVATIL BUSINESS. ... The Lents' alew74;;Zta7.7liciViag Willa wore 015041- dared sal aggsail es :—Deerawa Valley Railway B I;, Os ford, WOMMOT, and Wohrarharaptini R‘ilway (harrow mow sad Brancie.) Bill, and 84istli Buiffordshire BilL Wyndham's Divorce Bill was and a soaped two. PUBLIC BUSINESS. _ _ ASSIZES AND SESSIONS BILL. Is reply to )tie _ Sir G. GREY said he thought it would aot be desirable to proceed unit *to above bill tnis session ; sod he moved, therefore, that the Uglier for proceedieg with the bill should be diseh.irged, sad that it shoal bo re-introduced neat melon. SCOTCH EDUCATION BILL. ----- Ig 1111* 10 Mr. B. LOCACHIgT o -- The LORD ADVOCA'IR said it was not his intention to briug in any other hill this session on the subjeet of edu cation in Scotland, the bill which he had introduced having been thrown out by the Lords yesterday evening. THE HAMPTON COURT PALACE PICTURES. Kr. G. LANOTON asked the Cent Commissioner of Public Works whether he wu aware that one ef tee piet ars s at Hampton Court Palace had been recently missed from that collation, and that several others bad bees very seri ously damaged ; and, if so, what steps had ban takes to recover the miming picture sad to protest the gallery from further injurY. Sir W. KOLESWORTH said his attention had been ailed to the tact of mischief having been dono to the pictures et Hampton Court, cud that he had Airectuct reward, to be offered for the detection of offenders in lotus. (Hear.) DECIMAL COINAGE. The CHANVlilliii.Talti; -- HidkiEQUER said the government bad determined to eppeiat • Colllllli6ioll/ to inquire into the subject, and had determined that the tribunal sheen be • competent one. Toe committee would consist of three persons; one would be the Comp troller of the Exchequer, the outer Mr. Hubbard, bet there we some difficulty at present about the third, as the gentleman whom the government had thought it desirable to appoint had some tafficulty in acting imme diately. Loyd NAAS inquired whether it was the intention of the government to refer weights and measures to the commission? The CRAM tint it •u not. of the 3XCHEQUER replied BILLETTING OF TUE MILITIA. Mr. WELLS eked the 13;d7r 13ee;etary for WIT whether. M consequence of the permanent embodying of the militia, it wee the inttntion cf her filditety's go vernment to make any alteration in the present system of billetting t Mr. k. PEEL said it was not the intention of the government to introduce say measure iuto the house; but he might state that the embodiment of the militia had led to the formation of coesmpmentr, which had obcously practically remedied the question mind to a great extent. ....... INVALID OFTICERS-COMMISSIONS. Captain J. PERCY begged to a,k the Seeretary for Wm whether an °Ear in bad health ins required, before he got leave to sell his commission. to go before a Medical Board, which Board must certify, before he is allowed to •ell, t. the following effect:—" That be dot. not labour under an impaired constitution, threatening earlier disease than a person of his age might expect in the ordinary course of nature." _ _ _ Mr. F. PEEL said the mode in which application was made by an officer fur leave to sell his commission greatly depended on the particular eircumstlinces of each case, and it was therefore impassible to answer &genera: question like the one jest put to him. He was not, however, aware 'Ca: • formula of this kind was riquired. Oenerally apoakino, en officer was cot allowed to dispose of his conimiiiian when his health was not such as to give rim to • fear that hir life eou'al not be prolonged. IMPROVEMENT IN THE PUBLIC PARKS. . . Mr. EWAHT wished to inquire of the Chief Commis sioner of roblie Works whether it would nut be possible (if not now, at some fature time), to throw open to the public, as a portion of the park, tho ground now inclosed fur private see, and inelcodog a cloosideraVe space of ground in the *at* of Hyde-park, between the Guard-house and the Humane Society's receiving house near the Serpentine ; also, whether the government were willing to submit to the gracious consideration of her Majesty tt e /sped*/ ncy of opening bathe publiethe large park behind Hampten-coart Palace, known as the Home-park, and now devoted each sleety to the use of the residents in the palace ; whether the Fountain of Diana in Bushy-park, founded by': William the Third, wee in process of restoration, as pro mised by the government; and whether, as agreed last year, a large additional number of seats were to be olseel round all the larger tiees in Kensington-gardens and Hyde , park for the convenience of the public. Sir W. MOLES W ORTH, in reply to the first qwstion, said that a portion of the park now enclosed was used as a wood garden, and could not be dispensed with, the re mainder being in the occupation of the deputy-ranger. This could Oct be taken from that functionary at present; but when be ceased to hold slice be (Sir W. Moleeworth) ap prehended there would be no difficulty in transferring that question to,the public use. (Hear, hear.) As to the second portion, it was not correct that the Home-park was exclu sively used by the residents in Hampton - court Palace; the hot bring that the respectable residents in the neighbour hood were permitted to use it. Flute was, however, no intention on the part of the government to recommend its being further thrown open. With respect to the Diana fountain, it was in process of ri , storation, and he was in formed would soon be completed. Lastly, a 000siderable sum of money had been emended in the purchase of seats for Kensington-gardens, and a number of seats, capable of aceemmodating 400 persons, had lately been erected. NATIONAL GALLERIES AND 311781311M5. Mr. EWART asked the First L rd of the Treasury whether the government was willing to came to be Alas to the won* of art (paintlegs, statues, monuments), sad specimens in our different national collections—the National Gallery, Remptori Court Palace, the British Museum, end Ikeda/ public institutioes—abort descriptive tablets or in scriptions, giving the subject of the wort, the name and date of the artist, the school to which be belongs, and such other brief bianwical or scientific information as may be instructive be the pablie. Lord PALMERSTON said he was much obliged to his boa. hived for the suggestion, which was one well worthy of gensiderstion, sad as It might be complied with at no very greet medic egoense would, nn doubt. be serried Cu'. THE DANUBIAN PRINCIPALITIES. Mr. LAYARD said that on Teureday be bad asked a question regarding the Danubian Priacipalities of Wallachia sod Moldavia. The noble lord (Palmerston) then stated that the four pants having been considered:as a whole, the rslimillen of any on of those would infer the rejection of the fear; mad onsinnsatly that, the third point having bun rejelledi, the isreonimant considered themselves free with nine In file Salt two; hat that, in any future aegotia don, the piloted.* Ormeleated:wirh those points shoal' still fors tho In* of on anacgement. He wished to ask whetbetAptinelp tie noble lord meant the prisciplea laid inn dm mete of the 28th of November. He had hoard thenbere ten a eninnission at that moment !Ming at Vienna, fee the anmayemeat of a form of government for the Prielefpalitlete; bedlam! to ask whether the noble lord was aware of that. Ahi, whether a protest had not teen delivered to Lord Claramka, signed by a considerable muster ef Winkles ad Moldavian gentlemen of in finumees bpillb thLe a sioe come to at Viocnt. Oa Waft ant, be ek the noble lord, why eh Charles =7 bed ben nal from, those Innen of the Bath had ban nehmen upon other generals in her Mtre service. PALMERSTON, with regard to the first question, niftwas rather inconvenient t, the government to be Rebid* state what precise conditions they might like to derWad„ err require, or inlet upon in future negotiation* Tim lea. roman himself would see the ionaveniecce. What be meant to stataires, that the detailed arrann• r imer id i s a mi ted to tbsAretand second points were settled , on on.eoaditlea dist the whole treaty of peace Am& la eatietseterily arranged. That not bevies been Use ther, **government held themselves (sod the Austrian t w quite aware of that airennatenee) frosts re. C e e e Z as say of the matters that were provisionally speed to I Mardi to the Prinaipalities. What he considered to be the faadesentil principle of the first point Irv, that Russia Should no longer enemies that exclusive protection of the Prinefailidee whisk bad hitherto been exercised under treaties now expired. Whet might be substitute' for that mast el norm be matter of arratigement when the time game. With regard to the commission there was no corn- We in sitting at Vienna engaged is planning a system of government for the Priocipalities. There wee.: onzinis t i" of a different kind, namely, a commission rosette:jog of an English, a French, at.d so Austrian member, w. ho were empowered to recevis fermentations carves fto tbe in habitants of the Principalities in regard to any grill...aloe or ' complaints that might be made in respect to the orimo,oll troops. Bat they did not do that wi b any view ofestabil'b ing a format gamin cunt for the Principelirlie. und onto& d ' that the Earl of Clarendon bad received some CoMMUDiEII ' Non from gentlemen statiag themselves to be natives of the Princip•lities, bet be did not believe that they had any representative capacity. With regard to the ezcia,ion of Sir Charles Napier, as the hoes gentleman called it, be mold assure him that it was a cimuntirtanee okich gave the government greet repot ; bat the ezelenion wee e,ne teat was stiSizaposed. (Hear, hear) Sir Charles Napier was informed that his name had been recommended to bar Majesty for the honour of Grand Cross of the Bath; hut for mown, which be mutt be left to judge, he had declined to setept that tumour. /Ir. LAYARD a.ked if there was any objection to laying a copy of the protest referred t 3 before the house. Lord PALMERSTON woad cocialt with the Earl of Oisrearion whether this could prorerly be eons. LORD 3. RUSSELL'S INSTRUCTIONS AT VIENNA. Mr. DLSRALLI asked when dm sobloderd would ley so the table of the house a *spy of t►e iestraotions given to Lord Jobe Russell when he went as plenipotentiary to Vienna. Lord PALMERSTON said that as a general rule, for masers which the house would at once understand, it wag objectionable to give a copy of those gencrel instructions ' which were given to a plenipotentiary wbea he proceeded on a mission. The Tema was they entered into nisesurions on all subjects connected with the minim, involved gave• lions as to our r:lstions with different powers, end provided for CStei which might or might not arise, end it wool .l be exceedingly iajarions for the public service if such instruc tions were made public (Hear, hear.) Be conceived the right hon. gentleman's object was to know whct'ser or not those instrucions were is accordance with the despatches that had been laid on the table in regard to the matters to which they related. Mr. DISRAELI said it might be irregular, but he must be excused giving the noble lord a reason for his mokicg the inquiry. He would merely say in explanstiou, be recol lected the noble lord himself moving for a.ms instructions in two cases, and he thought he wu following a great rreudent. Lord Pr said he had no recrllecti• n of thou cases, and Le aid not thlnk he had done so. If it was the right bon. gentlemen's object, or if the house was of opinion that it would be a completion of the case !aid before parliament, to give that pert of thaw instructions which related to the specific points that came under discussion, and were treated of in the coo respondmee, he should have no objection to give such en tracte of the instructions as would complete that rift of the caw. He should distinctly object to give the whole of thou instructions (hear, hear) for the reasons he had mentioned —that they treated of matters connected with the affairs of Europe, and the relations of powers with each other, which it would not ho for the good of the public service to produce. (Hear, hear.) Subject to that, he was perfectly ready to give en tracte from these itietraetions and when they were in the hands Mb= members, be thought tbey would be satisfied. EXTENSION OF THE PUBLIC OFFICES. In answer to Sir Busmen Sir kV. hIOLESWORTII stated that nothicg could be done ander the bill recently passed for this payees,' lust , ' the money was voted by parliament: therefore the whole. question of tie new building in Diwhiag street would have to be brought under the conseirrotion ot parliament, when the vote wu propeeed. Tho bill only went to audio- rise the cominivicaors of wanks to am sash monies. THE MALLAOHEA EXPEDITION. Mr. BRIGHT alter referring to some of the leading feet. connected with this expedition, the particulars of which appestad in the Daily News of Thursday last, said that he understood this expedition, in which between 70 and 80 men were killed and wounded os. our side and 400 of those who wire called the enemy were killed, bad reference be believed t t the violation of a treaty by an African chief, which treaty was not in force, as it had Lot yet received the sanction of parliament. There was at present a bill before parliament fir that purpose (Hear, hear.) It might, there fore, tom out that this transecttoo bssidea being gr es and mons•rous In clierseter, was illegal in its nature. (Hear.) lie wished to know from the noble lord at tic beau of the government whether he had received sry details of this me finch dy affair, end if so, whetner he would by them on the to►le and order an impress inquiry into the partiealass of the transaction. Sir C. WOOD said be had seen the acettact referred to by the hon. gentleman bat as no despatch bad been eiceivod at the Admiralty of as transaction, it would be impoemble to give it. Mr. BRIGHP said that the secant was taken from • newspaper published on the coast of Attics, where the trensactios ccurred. Was the right hon. gentleman mor tals that the dispatch had not come to his, or sense other department of the government? • Bir C. WOOD had not that absolute confidence in news papers u to believe that whatever was there must he true. The government bad not received say despatch, and there fore it vine impartible that he eould prodsce it. (Hear.) Sir H. WILLOUGHBY asked whether the Slave Trade Bill, which stood on the paper for a third reading that night, would be postponed till the government was informed of this inviter. (Hear.) Lord PALMERSTON said the hon. gentleman could urge his objection to the bill when it was before the house. The transaction under dissuasion did not seem to him to have the least bearieg on that ball. Mr. JAMES MACGREGOR called the attention of the right hon. gentleman (Sir C. Wood) to • very irritating re gulation of the naval authorities of Deal, by which all bathing opposite the naval yards was forbidden, and the seats for promenaders removed. There was no necessity whatever for the regulation, and he trusted the right hon. gentleman would have it rescinded. The motion was then agreed to. METROPOLIS LOCAL MANAGEMENT BILL. The above Bill was read a third time and passed after the dilettanti of some supplementary amendments. THE TURKISH LOAN. The house hieing gone into committee oa the Turkish loan, Lord PALMERSTON rose to move the following mole ties "That it le the opinion of this committee that bet Majesty he anthoti.e4 to guarantee the payment of the interest on the loan of flee millions starling, to be contracted fee by Lip Imperial Msjecty the Sultan, in pumesse of the convention signed at London on the 27th day of June, 1855, between her Majesty, bin Majesty the Emperor of the Freed., and his Imp rial 61 .jesty the Suiten, and that proviaiou he made out of the Consolidated Fund of the Usited Kingdom, or the growing produce thereof, for the Mee of such sums of money from time to time, as may be required to pay any interest which may at any time be required to fulfil the guarantee of her Majesty in respect of such batons, con- ' formably to the tenor of her Majesty's engagement as sped. fled in the said convention, together with the attending eharg s of manag,twot thereon." Mr. RICARDO said that if be could reeoncle it with his duty as a member of that house, which duty was to see that en new hardens were imposed which were not indispen sable, he should be prepared to respond to the appeal which had just been made by the noble lord. But be saw with regret that we were entering iato the old system of subsidies —(hear, hear)—whick *heady pressed so heavily upon the nation, that he believed a great wart of our saticsal debt was made op of them. From a !stern which had hoes monad for by Mr. Hume he found that the amount of subsidies gestated in the twenty years termination in 1616 was no less than 68 millions sterling. Recollecriog these feet., he must say that unless he were shown gams indispeasable reason for mommeneing such a arum he must vote against the proposition of the noble lord. (Rear, hear.) A remarkable llialtrattou of the way to which the opts= acted was found is the fact that out of the 68 millions no less a sum then 6,813,0001. was Paid to the Emperor of Russia. (Haar, hear) In feet we bad alto gether paid 9} millirem to the wooly with whom we were now fighting. He did not moan to surer into the question whether then subsidies Were rightly paid at the time, but he thought it would be Blear to the whole of the committee that if them subsidies of nearly 10 millions bad not been paid to Resale her reseerces being to that amount diminblied, we ought not at this moment to have been eugageff it an cereal struggle with her. In these figures he had not inoteded the RusetsDutch loan. What he meld urge upon the committee as the result of the facts whisk he had just stated was this.--that if this moieties wore agreed to we should in fact lie paying both those with whom we were siding and Sam' *galas whom we were costonding. (Hoer, 'hoar.) In the neat plans be would especially all the at tention of the committee to the course which it was pro- Posed to follow with regstd to this has, reminding hoe. pelisses of the manner in which the Greek loss of 1832 was guaranteed, In that me we took • different counts to that atingskt proposei ; sod it should moreover be moolleebettharthat lam was to • king whom We had pat upon the throne—and, by the way, • very satisfactory king he bad proved. (' Hear, hoer," and laughter.) In that case there were three contracting powers—Eag let& Frame, sad Rode. Did we take the wee wane se cow, end put our guarantee upon a par with than of Prange put Russia ? Certainly not We then guaranteed our owa proportion of the loan, and were responsible for that per- iieu only, and although Greece had not for twelve years paid one shilling w e bad had no quarrel whatever upon the -ohjeet—either with France or Russia. We had paid mu proportion 01 the interest, aid there the matter had ended. But would that be the Call where there was a joint " emitter ? (Cheers.) Suppose there should be—he hoped' there would net, but Tenets event' proved that it was not quite out of celeu'ation—a chanson government altogether France, and who knew what coarse the future govern me. at might take ? They might refuse to make good the liability of preceding governments. It might be said then, we should have to pay the whole sum. But that was not WI, we should be involved in negotiatt.ms and disputes, and experience most have taught every one that mob' og embittered the court, of ch.-den:Rey so mach as the introduction of mone tary "teatime. (Cheers.) He confessed that he was not surprised to hear from the noble lord that it was the wish of France that this joint guarantee should be given be could easily understand that there was • wish to make use of Eoglidi credit. Every one knew that the Liabest midis 'gusted the amine, and in ordinary nomereist trannetions as one troubled themselves &bent the names on the bath of a bill provided that oar of them only was above reproach. Bat there was no substantial benefit to France in tbo joint guarantee. No one could mistake the credit upon which the loan would stand; the facts were patent to all men. Every one who looked at a newspaner became 10"1711 of the fact that English stacks stood at 91, while thst of France was 66, The noble lord had said that no berth.. weuli he likely to fall on this country. He recollected that he matte a similar statement in 1852. on the omen° of the guersntee of the Greek loan. (Hear) And another learned member said, iu reply to Mr. Saline, that the guarantee would not involve En.laud is any liabilty, se it was distinwly arranged that all the revenue of Gro ere should be in the first Justine applied :0 the payment of inter, at. Wh et was the fact? Why, that we had to buy the whole of the sharer., and if we had had a joint guarantee it was more than probable that the alienee with Femme net at that moment have been in existence. (Hear, hear) The noble lord had stated that the resources of Turkey were amply *ABM• nt to ray the interest on the loan, as well as to form a sinking fund for its repayment. Why net, then, leave It to Turkey to raise this lean herself. She had already bean able to raise one loan at sic per Pent at 80, and he could state es a fact that one govern meat wee prepared to lend her 2,000.0001. at Pd, and he had also been informed that a French bank was wil!ine to advance a large sum at 86. Why, then, did not the government leave the matter to these melividusls, end not involve this country in • tfaixotie env rprise like the prawn'. (Cheers.) He could not but think that this was one of the series of extrava gances which bed distinguished the conduct of the war, and be blamed himself for not having at an earlier period pro tested against the wasteful expenditure which had neurred. He could out hot think that if the Chancellor of the Exche quer went on in this course he would not find the resources of this country so ample se ho seemed to imagine. (Hear, hear) The house had not been properly dealt with in then matters. Only the other day the noble lord the Minister of War—a peer—came down to the other house and stated, quite unexpectedly, that the pay of the army was to be doubled. The House of Commons Lad never heard a ward about the matter. (Hear, hear.) He did not de the right of her Majesty to pay her soldiers what she like d; but that Louse had to supply the means ; and befote any new immurement Wee ode, they fright to know something about it. (Chem.) Only the °the day, in answer to a question, the Chancellor of the Exch. quer had stated that he load spent more thin his estimate's, and that he should have to i ring forward supplemental estimates to answer his require ments. When that was to be done no one knew ; no notice had been given, end the estimates had enly just teen laid e n the table. Se again with this convention ; the first thing w.:ich was bend of it was from • report of the French Legislative Arepenbly, which appeared In a foreign news• paper. (Hear, hear.) Teem that report it would appear that the eenvention which was before the French Assembly upon the 7th July, it was not until the 17th, and then in answer to repeated questions, that the House of Commons heard anything of it. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Ricardo) knew that some inconvenience would arise front the refusal ' of the house to oentirm this convention ; then inennveni. ems, however, the noble lord had brought upon himself by the course which be had pursued. Re felt that he was only doing his duty as • m unlace of that house when he ,stated that he should divide the committee replan the moque of the noble lord. (Cheers.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. said that the hon. member who had just ewken had grounded his remonstrances upon the assertion that they were ptomain a ' , Wieldy to Turkey, and he quoted a return obtained by Mr. Hume of the amount of money paid upon that account. But in truth what was then under consideration was not a subsidy but • g lee. Whct was meant by a subsidy was wt en the country Mead a sum of money, either by loan or out of the current , sad handed it over to a foreign coantry for the purpose, of war. Such was the practice whieh prevailed during the struggle of this country with Napoleon. Here it was versed that Turkey should rai'e • loan. should pay the interest, and provide a sinking fund for repayment of the Principle. All that England and France could do would be to guarantee rerayment to then advancing the money. With regard to the question of a joint R tee, he had no °Menton to state that if her Majesty's government had exercised their own discretion, they would have preferred that the guarantee should have extended to half the loan only. That, however, was objected to by France, and , under the eiremnstancee of the amicable relations existing between the two countries, her Majesty's Roma neat considered it their duty to secede to that °Neaten. The same arguments might hove been used in favour of a separate guarantee, but an engsgement bad been entered into with the French government, by which the latter under took that in case the two governments should be called on to make good their guarantee, oue-half would be paid by Friar.. In that way, although the guarantee was in form, it was in fact, a separate guarantee. His notate friend also objected to the convention, on the ground that no necessity had been shown for it, and that Turkey might have raised the money out of her own resources. With reference to teat statement, he bad only tansy that the strongest repre sentations had been made to the allied governments as to the inability of the Turkish government to do so during I the war. The house should recollect that the war had entailed greatly increased expenses on that country, and that hitherto, mach to her credit, she bed not been a bor rower, and was almost the ooly nation in Europe that had not contracted • national debt. But veer recently she raised her first loan of three millions, at 6 per cent, which was done at 80. Bat in consequence of several deduction,, she actually received much less than the nominal amount. Under these circumstances, she could not have gone into the market with any hope of Moire the sum necessary for the war, and had therefore applied to her allies, who, after giving the matter the fullest consideration, ultimately agreed to the cenveation which was then before the committee. His hon. friend said that they should not have entertained the propo sition. because parliament bed not had due notice of the in tentions of government, end added that on other financist matter., the house bad not been treated wi-h due respect by her Majesty's government. (Hear, hear.) Among other things hie honourable bind alleged that there had been a want of notice with respect to the supplementary estimates ; and he understand him Wee to complain that he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had not given the house any time to prepare for the consideration of those mei:nate'. With rasp-ct to that he bad only to lay that, having been asked by a right hon, baronet opposite kis intention respecting those estimates, he bad answered merely that it wool# be seemlier to propose addi tinsel estimates for the navy and army; and when they had been agreed to by the house, it would have have been his duty in a nominee of ways and means to submit the plan by which he proposed to provide for them. He was at a lose to know how, in giving that answer, he had been want ing in his duty to the house. (Hear, heir.) It wee Mat the steal practice to give notice of supplementary estimates; for when they were intruduecd they spoke for themselves, and there was always sufficient time given for their discussion. H a hon. friend further said that before her Majesty intend into thin convection with France, that hones should have been consulted, and its pleasure token on the subject. To that his answer was that such was not that practice with respect to treaties en tered into with independent nation. It was the prerogative of the crown to treat with fonds' powers, audit the treaties FO agreed to required the senequent approbation of parlia ment, they were communicated with • recommendation from the Crown for their consideration. That being doe*, it wascompetent to the house to either grant or refuse its assent ; but, he believed that no example could be found of minister coming down to the house, in the first instance, and taking the pleasure of the house respecting engage ments about to he entered into with foreign powers. He be lieved he bad now gene through the principal points which his hon. friend bad brought under the notice of the com mittee ;.and although it wee no doubt incenneient that any prospective burdens should be laid on the resources of this , country, still he could not but think that the committee would, under all the eircumetaages, say that government had no alternative hello propose this arrangement for the successful prosecution of the war. Mr. GLADSTONE said that amongst the many excellent qualities permed by his right hen. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer, none could be more remarkable than the comfort and cntoposure with which be discharged the duties of his °Zee. (A laug h) No one could have gathered from his right hea u friend's speech, that he had just prieetted for their sonsideratiou one of the most Miens and formid able questions for the people of this country that bad ever been submitted to parliament. (Hear, hear.) If ever then was a question that excited a deep and gooiest feeling of distrust, alarm, and aversion, it was • proposal at the! wwwwassusat of a war like that whisk hod Just ben lead tw the table. Lit him endeavour to clear the ground in the fife instance. They were nut discussing the question Os Deem lot or a warlike policy, nor did he look a t it ass mow bar of either a peace or a war party. He should diens« tee ( pe a non as it the difference between foot ships sad ei g h t , between limitation and counterpoise, was net to ,oust all the e ff usion of blood an d all the should qss a b be of carr ie d pea sss % I n s there was to 1.• swat , . hin th it e waste of treasure which it was likely to CM. If Meson energy; the with dis cussed, they milk t gravely differ, but he would not adopt right hon. friend proceeded. It any i n di rect wows of furthering tio objects of which he approved. (Hear) Ther t e: c o a r n e s h id e er di: heetohterobyjoeuet should o ho th uld e P w r as iuc a ip le le gi u trm s ate w q h u i etiel is * optuor t o a at w ac u slmos ex ot pe h.ab u tu et t e ht the i na n teel t ue*. be t give Turkey direct aid be idea the she ies. lygmg w ero a u sea rsT r a: 6t ; re anyhh b meeieah t i zihrs mismanagedeo n v i a i ds t e gtedbuertduni her egdn e r d et seihadnot subject. that ees h p e r principle , p founde , he be t thought Turkey had say had arises, and ho must a. °f ere he thought their Proof* t vimoioutk ittle higher than we our nary war. Not more than the great empire of Austria, no t • .the solvent kingdom of Birdied*, and certainty not notes A ' a n Can.!" had Paid whose credit was as steady as oar o ce p- therefore he thought the case of necessity had not been made out, all Lough be was free to admit that (omen 'ear might be is possession of circumstances which it would h e ineun,_ eon loot o to disclose, and he was prepared to purh e o ,priurirle cocfidenee as far as ficasilee in such a matter. . But Daniell pv on s f a r s o ss mt h ha s t t p s or ts ionnsotss fithethqsutesstiiosnritsohos hm neoffAieaid urged'rter that im tsswar g the lsoasnserosfuttheeenevits righ t utioitary friend we ie r n eau m be i l d bdtie: t there tmhbl it was a great objection to subsidising the Turks, but L • was nut quite sure that goy, rnment had not d too that alien i y in an underhand way. It appeared that for Turkish purr, nee we had been obliged to seek for coals within the Lake is d jpoinions, and having obtained them, we paid to the Turk iefi government a royalty of 10s. the ten, a sum more than could be obtained by the coal owners in Northumberland or Staffordshire. (Hese, hear.) Surely if payments of this kind were to be made, the thing should be done in an ova manner. The aoble lend at the bead of the government bad amend them that they would never be called on to pay this guarantee ; but if he referred to his owe speedier in 1832 he would find that similar promises had been made, and th.,e subsequently they were all falciiied. Or let the noble lord turn back to the debates of 1793, sod be would find Mr. Pitt assuring the house with perfect good faith that be had secured the country against one farthing rise on account of the lose to Austria, and yet of that loan not one farthing of the int had since been paid ; and, finally, when the principal came to be settled, Austria paid 2s. G.I. sad England 17e. 6d. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Pitt soon found that guarantees were subsidies. and soenethieg mo e, and therefore did not trouble the house with the pretest, but on the next occasion came down for the held money. If Turkey wonted aid, and it was !lett that we should give it to her, let her adventure a loao, and let England subscribe to it ; but don't let as en tangle ourselves in this engagement, of which everytinde could see the beginnit g, but no cue could see the a ad. But if there were to be a euarantee, let it be not &joint but • separate one, one which would not lead us into political difficulties of tee most serious kind. The noble lord said, it was true, that half the interest was to be sent front France, but he should like to see it on the face of the treaty, and he trusted that before treating with the convention the home would see the correction made. What were the arrange ments ? Everything was to be done in England, everything was to be transmitted from England, everything made payable in England, and the creditors of the Sultan would knock at the doors of the Beek of Erglaod for their dividends. The Sultan, it was true, engaged to remit them; but suppose he forgot—(a laugh)—soppese the re mittance miscarried ; or reprise that after peace was mode • the ingenious Russians represented to the Su:ten how un ' fortunate had been the incurring of this debt to his English oppressors. Under any of these contingencies, the holder of the stock would not be sent away from the Bank of England unpaid. It was verged that one half would be paid by the French, but still on Enlace' would fall the first responsibility, and be was retry he was obliged to add he believed the last also. (Hear) Again, it wee said that the or. 'lit of France was wort than that of this country, hut in 1832 the credit of France wee no better than now, and that of Russia was worse, ant yet that treaty was so framed that each nation was liable for wily her own share of the lose, and no question was rated which could at all excite any angry national feeling. The King of Greece in the first instance proposed to raise the money, he raised it homo geneously, and the three powers Pave each a separate irulie rantee for a third of the amount raised. But the per emery responsibility was of far lest. impoi tepee than the political difficulty that might accrue from this joint guarantee. Rep pose the war over, and the two governments of England Ind France differed as to Turkey's capability of paying, might not difficult complications arise out of the question ? (Hear, hear.) Stipp: se one cf these two countries obtained an equivalent from Turkey end the other did not, what heart buntings might there net arise. Suppose that Turkey should not pay, ho thought it extremely doubtful that unite! the ' instrument we could 'lineal° Turkey. (.1 laugh.) They had already hod this year the Sardinian loan, but under widely different circumstances. The go vernment of that country had with proper spirit declined a subsidy, and from the excellent state of bar finances there was little doubt but that it would prove a reel and not a delusive security. The only advantage Sardinia had cis lathed was in dealing with the government of England, instead of in the open market. What he objected to in this ease was the non-separation of the guarantee, and the poli tical damn that might arise from that arrsogement. He should say also that security ought to he taken for the right application of the money, as every one knew that in Turkey all the local officials were corrupt. (Hear, hear.) His noble friecd promised them that there should be no difficulty on that score, but he should like some thing more solid than anticipations which might not move more true then those of former times. The French government had already felt the defectiveness of the instrument in this respect. The Menileur paid the right application of the loan was secured by the preamble to the treaty. This was a mistake, for the words were of the most general kind, and merely sprite of carrying on the war with vijetur. He was aware that that house could not take any part in the forming of a treaty like this ; it rested with I the prerogative rod the crown and the advisers of the crown to do this. But no one would tell him that the responsi bility of that house for the burials of the people was to be set at nought by the exercise of the prerogative. (Hear hear.) He for one would sever cement to abandon that responsibility. (Hear, hear.) Lord PALMERSTON said that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had never denied that the sanction of the house was necessary to give effect to any treaty which invol red the expenditure of money. The right hon. gentleman had re presented him as saying that the frown could contract en gagements independently of that house. What the Chan cellor of the Exchequer said was, that the bones had not been consulted in the first instance; but he had stated, most constitutionally, that the course prescribed by prece dent and by the constitution was that the crown should judge as to the engagements it entered into, but that if those engagements required the sanction of the hospe, as et connected with money must require it, they should be distinctly made contingent upon the subsequent approval of the house. But it was not for the crown to come down and ask that house what engagements it should enter into with foreign pewee—that was a question to be determined by the responsible advisee of the crown ; and the crown, acting on that advice, made the engagements contingent on their adoption by that house. With regard to the question itself, he would begin with the foundation. Did anybody really doubt that the Turkish government was in absolute want ot pecuniary resources, to enable them to eatery on the war ? (Laughter.) Dol any man who thought that the war ought to be continued doubt that it would be a great misfortune and impediment to its success if the Turkish army were redoetd, by west of means, to on absolute nul lity, end rendered incapable of co-operating with the allied &MIN? (Hear, Lear.) If it was essential to the wens of the operations in which we were engaged that the Turkish army should be kept armed, pall, fed, and clothed, and if it were inthessible that that could be done unless Turkey oh. Mined additional means beyond those of her ordinary revenue, the question came hum, how were these additional resources to be obtained? Was it in the manner pointed out by the right hon. gentleman, of Turkey going into the market and nego tiating on her own credit or was it cdvisable that her allies should step in and assist her, by giving her the benefit of their greater credit? ( Hear, Leer.) If Turkey went singly Into the market, she might, on some term* or other, se was proved two years ago, obtain a loan ; but our object was to make het as efficient as she could be made for the common cause. dud if it was demonstrable that she would get this loan on terms infinitely less burdensome if assisted by England and France, surely interest pointed out that we ought to step is and assist her in obtaining the pecuniary means which the existeney of her service required. Even Mr. Gladstone did not deny those preliminary positions. He admitted that if the war was to be carried or, it ought to be done effectually, and that that could not be does without money. ("Hear," and laughter) The difference between him and the government was simply this—he would go further than the proposition of the government in the way of imposiog an additional burden on the people of this country. His segment was that a guarantee was es inezpediesit *tag; that Turkey ought to be assisted by a sebaidy. The government, tlunkirg that it was necessary to assist Turkey, wished to give that assistanoe—first, in the manner in which it might be most useful to Turkey, and elms to this eanntry. No doubt the Turkish government I would have profaned • subsidy; but he did sac think that that course was necessary. The government thought that secondly, in the meaner is which it might be least harden the aid which Tarkey wanted could be afforded to her by an engagement whisk they trusted would not be attended with actual beats to this omintey, bat which, even if it (Stamped ld. Additional.) [TWOPENCE wen so, would involve a burden less immediate, leo • e•nsiderable, lees certain, than that which would tripe from an immediate subsidy of the same amount to the Turkish government. It was conceded Olt Sardinia was unable to send 15 . 000 me n : o th e Crimea with out assistance; and could it be wondered that Turkey, which was carrying on war in Europe, in Asia, and is the Crimea, snould need fire millions whoa Sardinia required ere. In the case of Sardinia we had to advance tho money in the shape of a loan. In the present instaneo no echoer, of money was required on the part of England ; all thst Eng land and France were required to do was to give their se curity as guarantees in the event of Turkey not cootioning to pay the interest and sinking fund. Mr. Gladstone ap p aced very meth to prefer the arrangement nude with re gardright. In the Greek loan each if o three powers outran sent lutetium both p at io guaranteed jointly and sb i mire likely to creat e icconvenient question,. He • would Mate what bad happened to the fortes! I sod the enthral thing w as for England to say to Greece—. t I You are our debtor ;we have been compelled te pay ekee ty l ice: el u etrude t arr what tieGut'hg4atr'el:lt:(lei nor happened etu'dwPara:hdp.lol. iereoa ? 'nt. art ;o. u pfa‘ i p o ylbe u lytit ennhinmetliwtabwbuthaa was n iloigtvi p agew i dP"o'pleas o3igh s nitaaci France , rte p ttttd e ehPh t tliitale f ohw o da n t .e: r esa i sib " e . isolla re ; mo o meansemn g b tPal y tt a koabe flr7de°s°ng Graeae Viola te d.' i: e t . gl e - rbe ert y w i: i gh th ic m wat e rsti io n d alis u e l ud g l We don't agree with you ; we look protest t inf the e n o o o a t fel again[ t g ab y k a O i f u n in to t hat hre l : u p r e aa zyn proceedingt e ma n ean t nbk diminish thangd f ui a fn o d t y h n o p p oe o nn ir e t . r ro u eue o r f t h ipGa mustri r g ewt t yo a t to pay our respective portions of that ioterest and sicking e. fund. You will, therefore, be doing us an irjury, and we ab stain from urging your demand for your portion, unless you consent else to urge ours." Had it been a joint and separate guarantee that question could not have arisen. Therefore, considering the qu 'Mien merely S so to the probability of int erna ti ona l dim talties, the present plan was preferable to that n ey col it e d n i d un that m past t hat of •D odd o ya itrateagreement, adopi‘ed in the CC , ? of Greece. The rich : bo o , gent l emen thought that (murky ought to be taken for the right appli cation of the m have been made part of the treaty. It had been th oug ht b etter not to d o so, bbyutwtohmichekig these ink sad French commis , ioners would be establithed in Turkey, to see to the proper application of the loan. Objection had been taken to the mode of con ducting these operatiocs in England ; but on grounds of economy it was better than raising the loan partly hare and partly in France. In the can of a direst loan there would certainly have been the advantage of kinswing at ones what we had t pay ; but by the plan proposed 'finery got the immediate benefit, and no liability might euatually fall upon the guaranteeing powers. (Weer, hear.). Sir DE L. EVANS was not surprised at the kind Of negative retention which the proposition of the government had met with, yet he should he sorry if the home were to throw any decided obstacle in the way of affording eminence to Tutkey in same mode or other. The right hon. gentle man seemed to think it would be better to make this advance to Turkey without retaining any control in oar own finds. lie entirely differed from the right bon. gentleman in that respect. Re should never consent to give this mocey into the hands of such a government as they lint w t hot of Turkey to be without retaining in our own banes an Madera control over the expenditure. But what he complained of was, end *hat the hum had a right to complain of wee, that they sum were called on to vote the largof 500,0041 without n issue once from Turkey that she would amain the condi tions aud contrel which were ti accompany the lora. The noble loci eaid,indeed, that to believed the Turkish govern ment would tierce to the arrangements for the disposal of the m^ney. Dot ho did not think the noble lord'. belief was jwstifleatint enough for them to vote 5,000,0001. of money. (Hoar, hear.) Re did nut thine that the cue of the Greek loan was in point, because there were three par ties, namely, England, France, and Russia, parties to that loan ; and one of them—Russia—had interest, at nehmen with the oth-r two. But in the present case there were bat • two parties—Franca and England ; auel he believed that France hoi the stone interest with Jiogland in the matter. No doubt there was a lavish expenditure of money towards the close of the last war, hut be believed the loans to R Asia, Austria, and Spain contributed to the termiumion of the war and to procure a forty years' peace. The noble lord was in his opinion liable to the charge of not setting forth sufficient ground; fur nroposing this advance. He begged leave to state, from whet he knew of Turkey, some gloom's why it was do irable to sustain her in her present difficulties. The Turk IA government bad 250,000 no, to in arms at the present moment. which was • great drain epos the resources of the country. Of these there wan between 50 000 and 60,000 in the Crimea, end let him and well sup plied with %ninety and some cavalry. To those who knew Turkey, It was a matter of astonist mint how she weal:led her army on the Danube and. the Crimea, besides,. her army, however impufectly supplied, in Asia Hiner. Ilader these circumstances it was quite clear that whatever , defects might exist in the, tinanaial system of Turkey she had absolutely maintained .her army. He (the gallant general) had seen her troop., and they were well armed, wall clad, and tolerably well fed. That we. • proof that there was no sash extreme derailment in the Ottoman empire ; and her army, so far from deteriorating, was im proving. Hat they were told that there was a great deal of corruption In Turkey, sad be thought that if we were tolled upon to guarantee her a loan a strip. arrangement should be entered into with regard to the manner in which it was to he spent. He thought, foe instance, it would be well to stipulate that some of it should be applied to Iltie purpose, of the 20,000 men who were being embodied under General Vivian, lied the 4.000 cavalry who were mho sent from this country under General Beatsca. (Hear, hear.) Mr. LAING felt very strongly that they ought not to sane.: lion any measure of this dereription, Involving, as it did, a fresh li ibility, until they had bad some opportunity of die tuning the principles, the policy, and the objects of the weir. (C Seers,) Since the debate raised by the right hon. gen- Mclean the member for Backs, which had taken plate not only in ignorance but under • complete misapprebensinn of • the facts of the case, the eerresmnidence relating to the con ferences at Vienna had been laid upon the table, and the house found themselves in the pavilion of having b roken off the negotiations contrary to the expressed opinions of tee whole of the eminent statesmen who repretented the four allied powers. (Cheers.) He would, however, abstain from the general question of the war, because he thought that upon the present occasion they ought rather to conbns themselves to the merits of this as a financial measure. sup pule" that Its object was ti good one. Now, the objections which had been urged sgaiut the sys tem of guarantee, iteemed to him to have a grant and overwhelming force. (Cheers) Tinge objects divided themselves into two chaos, tinceetal and political. Financially, there was the same fatal fan lity about raising money in this way that there was in rasing money by putting one's came to bits of stumped paper. (Loud cheer') They were told that the li,blities the country would incur wont(' be absolutely nothing, whereas the assistance to Tut key would he very great. B et that was • complete fallacy. (Cheers.) The national credit, great as it war, was neverthe.ess an exhaustible quantity, and the more they withdrew in order to guarantee a loan the less • they would leave fir other purposes. (Cheers) Besides., look at the effect it would have upon the price of the uted In round numbers to 700,000,0001., and if by entering into • system of unlimited guarantees they reduce prices only one per cent. the coun try would at once incur • less of seven millions, and a Pr bi aceuamb Itblkaoieicnieotaffl Ennaid them a ll . a 12P. T db h ui ° eat Francet the fondss r s t might a instanc e ;°Ecuttt the national credit would also Le shaken to that extent. (Hear, bear.) BeAdis, by benign.); into the market a floating quantity of stock equally eligible for investment they would render has favoursble the terms on which the country could hereafter contract loans for its own purposes. (Cheers.) With respect to political objets tims to the eystcm of quantum, he r cod not enter at any it le ngth hadgt itthe beanut University a o i n v e t sh dealtt t t y witho subject to Abt oy a r t t after his r vr t i h db e hat f to beeset a ib s ! em fri end proposed t e o u rt e h r e. e i in w o bhj memberitecht fo of the loan It was to secure the indepeuderce .if Turkey; d b wo u od t u e deb e e t t e nh p ot t a h l ld gutting of • canal through the Isthmus of Sues, bemuse in e t y d t p h r d oro i se dd cl epi to n ta d k e e dd er e eu ( t u d o u t d a d ll he o e thr ) be t oe politicalright objection to a loon for such en object as the to add to the four pine a Turk, cite i tt igt e eh h t a matter wouf idj interference ; rt i f t e ret w hde • c u e l r d ;r bi tutti desirable is filtuild,nt present obtain o. tht it se y instance ff,tt p uedn e cg r thc p et etual hat It ethic should never guarantee a loan to y, objection involved in the cher Cis it might dweltbeen upon. But did with our associate had already they not all know o lo f r eas b idlin th g a w t in private life that if they wanted to ith m h ein er g eoe s e b e:ne w A ld ar,li l e c or q t r a T e h t t _t h quarrel Rood terms with any one, how desi pthautticouelarerlyshnuld be no pecuniary transectiocs Szp a vo ld se na t t b u e r t au T y u e r c k m ey . should make li w u e s s t h h e a u t ld it g w o a i s n our taro owe fault, and refuse to pay her share. Or France might d e r t h the i foriig Eg y bara Egyptian tribute, thought it was hie duty therefore, as a repre sentative t.a t o d F ef m aul es t; , the (C c h r e e e trito ) r ll me vigorous prosecution of the war, to vote against the motion. rtCe.ak)ne o dy f I l l : h. : ltl p e ople, iheli me du istet however Mediterranean, much he was disposed for a Mr. CARDWELL, ILL COBDEN, end DIIIIIAZLI Mr. opposed the etiolation. Idr. WILKINSON thought that this had been more a debater about pain or war than alma this Pan, and be had no doubt that the peate•at-any-pries party would all be found in one lobby on the division. The qua den waa whether it was best to give this money or to tend it, and that he thought it was the business of the executive to consider whether we should take the one or the other Rode in order to bring the war to a saocesital onelasion.