The Express. — London, England, 1860-06-12 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROCS" OF LORDS.--Musioat, Jusrs 11. • 'n. Loa, Llimpriu.s.us look hi mei is Os wombs* at wEvIIIINNTER PALACE CLOCK. • • (Wl{ H ;..5..1 to put a questi:U wLich the sold. sad tinned lied on the woolsack iaight perhaps he able t • sue er. They an knew the efteuntst.inces under whir.. they Wile dearimil of the emnrewbat doehtfal vent., • o f tler area do k. At the pi mist mumeat sa. suck gay* WA ; re elm the teem et the dock pre wlth has ; and 4. when win plo t wed Jul.ol . the hear. wfth the ex aMe the Ar ads of which he the Yet len days steaddy poiv a t e Z be the hour of TI , • LA PRI I I'll tN t."=tk said the que•tion we ea err whi.ll lay it. department. U the nohla sad had ipso, I.lm n..tl r a his question he might Lire beta able to am.er it ; 1. it he thought he might ray that the clock bad at present ••teateded as well as the noble earl's Reform All ilenjloter. ) ....—.. . -- The . !-IteI7 , ILIkRBY add he pfell/Meli the clock wan, at all or..ets. intended to renton still, and witho:d alterattou, du r in., the priest rt newaion. (Renewed laughter.) Fl a ' GREY remarked that he cordially rejoiced when b• bemJ Ria Ben had cracked. He hoped no attempt would be loads. to render thie clock audible. They had already within sound the clock, of St. Marpret and the Horse Mowed,. and he hoped, therefore, Bag Ben would remain mate --- EEPEL+ENT ‘TIoN OF THE PEOPLE RILL I.nrd BKOUGH wl,heNl to mak hie woble Irked, the chairman of the c"mniwtee which had sat on this bill, when their report would be reedy to be laid on the table of the Lou,. E irl GREY mid that committee had dosed the evidence aad adjoerned to Prider ne‘t, when they would again meet to onst.ider their niolutions, which had been sent to the printer. B..CLZsI.t.. O TICAL COURTS AND REGISTRIES IN --- IRELAND. It. Earl af St. DERMANB moved the second reading of this bill, the object of which was t o confine the pro eerdinp a thew meats to emlesiaatical matters exclu sively. After • short coaversation, the bill was read • second Uwe. CHrECH TEMPORALITIES (IRELAND) ACTS .tIIENDIIENT BILL Tic Earl .1 a. DERMANB moved the second read. i* of this bin. The Bishop of DERRY %id the bill had been carefully oonie'ered by the ecclesiastical authorities in Ireland, sad it lavl received their entire approbation. After a few words front the Earl of Bandon, the Bishop of Casket, tae Bishop of Deny, and the Earl of Clanrarty, the bill wa, read.* secood tirue. BANK Or IRELAND BILL. - - T L, Lill rti.ed through committes. ILILICIOUS INWRIRS TO PROPERTY AC? .I.II.ENDME.NT BILL Tl.i. bill paused through oommittas. REFP.ESHIIECT HOUSES AND WINE LICENSES __BILL On the motion for the thirst reading of this bill, Lord NONTEAOLE expensed it hope that this measure would teed to an alteration of the whole .v.tem of licensing. w.sho,l t, kno•.v the aniount of drawhact. that would be pay thie on the wine ia this country, at the time of the prer‘jr,4 of the reg.lutioos of the House of COGITIMIII; also, whet,. -r ..mr negotiations were piing on with a view to ob tain from !spain and Portugal r,sluctioos of ditty on our arusu !Act u ran ; and also wbethor the revenue derived front malt and ►ops was likely to be affected by the increased consumption .4 wire. Lord - DENMAN remarked on the opening to fraud which the bill would afford by multiplying the number of so-called refreshment ►oases. He anth:ipated that the increased facilitiei fur the a•de of wine would seriogaly affect the me sumpti..n of laser. 'Me result would be to alter the eta. met e , ,4 t►e people of this country, and introduce habits of sll•,ue. and dissipation. He moved th.it the bill be revel a third time that day six month.. The Earl of DONOCOHNORE supported the amend neat. The hill ought to have been separated into two parts —ore imposing new license duties—the other relating to pub, r •platios; bet the Cha: welt* of the Exchequer had refus.-! to .!n so. L0..1 itEDEsDALE said there could be no doubt what ever that thts was a supply bill ; and no doubt whatever that several datum. of the hell were such as ibis house, if it eland .•1 it. strict rights, might rejoet or an.-ugh such as, for ii..tance. the 40th and 41st clauses, which related to police , eguLatisets. But he for one was md prepared to support any ....sth course of proceeding in thin rage, thinking ea h e did that the rerrulations were salutary ones ; at the same time be it r ht, as the subject had bees isenti nod in the home, to call the atteutioo of the govern ment t.s the point. E.-; GRANViLLE aild it was eery far front the inter tip's of the government to interfere with the right of their lordships to eaten-tin 4.f discuss any of these question*. It ▪ 6ppast horses or. that the clause. i n . I su stiou had been .otruductal at Ow russesikis of a secretary of stets is th e L i t e ..;..verornens, mei to the most import's. amend pint that had Lieu suggested he tlionskt a majority of their lords Lips were not dApteal to The house then divided upon Laidirmais amendment, and the 'moiler., were : l'imidents 36 Saircuateats 2-34 The bill was thee mil a third tine aad_prampl. SIR JOHN BARNARD'S Al.'!, kil.. =PEAL BILL. Tlil• bill was read a thud time awl plait Their William adjoarasal at tea abtatos to seven. HOUSE OF COMMONS.— MoNDAT, Jc,rs 11. She srr_ticsz took the chair at four o'clock. PRIVATE HUM I N The Lord.' affiendnients to the fidl..wi eg Nth were emit. awe , ' said agreed to . Buckley and 'onnale. 9issy ( Flint- Airy) Railway ; Cheshire Midland Railway ; Hinckley and Lwicester Ra ilway ; laal.,u and Mouth Wiet , rl; awl awl Easter Railway Companies ; Manchester C. , rporstion water; tetearbridge Railway; and Wellington (sAilop) Water Ras. The Lords' amendments to Commons' amendments on to • 3fai.lstone Water Bill were fonaidlereol and ingne.l to. The followina bills were mail • thin! time sad pissed : Ceislonian Railway (Lairnabagow Branches.k••.); WLlia (Cite) Steam Pat Art Company ; and tie The f bilk were considered and ordered for • Hurd reading : Caithness Roads ; Cork and L.nierick Direct Bklway • Letterkermy Lossloo and South West ern Railway IKicgstoa Railway EsSeasioa. kc.); Xontnee earl Boni, Railway • Swansea 'Harbour Trust ; sod Water- Joni and Lireeri:ic R Wrier (No. 2) FA D& The Dahlia and Meath Railway 801 and the Isle of Wight (F.satesk Section) Railway Hill were nail a awned time. XIL W. H. LEATHANI AND THR WAKEFIELD ELECTION. lEr. BRIGHT preeentesl a petite°. from Mr. Wm. P• ory Loatkosa, obi& 1 e .aid was readered neceaaary 10 con• eopurace of the mime which the Attorney General had taken 113 referetice to the inquiry int.. the existence o' practices at the I elections for Wakefield. The pet. , after stating that he wa. a moiliatite at the Lad eliectiem that he sem returned and subsequertly unseated, went on to sae that a commission was am)inte4l to inquire tat,. the corrupt practices which were alsel to have taken plow. He further sari that the art provided that every parson who was examine I before the commissioners and Amide a true discovery of the facts within his knowledge, shoukl he freed from all penal senor, forfeitures, dieabelities. aud itcapabilities, and that no perms should be excused fort answering any Tr : o 4in. / on the ground of any privilege, or that the answering 41 such questions would tend to criminate him. The petitioner at at , ...1 that he was examined ow oath before the emr•rigiioneen, and th a t he made a trne discovery to the beet of his knowledge touching all aim upon watch be was rrAfillOrd. Mr. Leathato further at. A that he hail trot rea.,:ve.l any c•o-fir-t.• from the coi..misaioners, althoagh no intimation hail peen give. to him in the coulee of hi, c, - .minat . ..m, or at iis conclusion, or at liar time sobsespi •ntly, Cuit the commissioners were is any degree dimitiaMA with the evidence he had given. Os the C.Mltritre he ha 1 re:.o.ri to.believe that the ~tnnilaileim. ..... wet.- not uraininvers in : , .f..r.ng the certificate, but that the comtni.sioner th.....ght such a disclosure had twee um le as pools• ea!itled latu to a certificate. He had now been informed that the Attorney-Genmul hest directed Pnx • teding• to be taken against Lint b refer 4.1.ee to matters upon wl.kh he was compulsorily bef-re Ca. eorrbussiotiers. He added thit be had giv. n his evidin:e with the m scrupulous eonowientiobess, and 'e called the atAbtion of the 1,0,e tlo• lith los two of the act for colso!idating amt ....ending the law, elating to brihety, trentbg, and undue not 1,..04.0 at eleeit.oo, by which it was provided that no per.,n should ho liage t.. any penalty unless some prow eution or suit was ,s•-nmenced against him within a year aft - •r the ”len,e with which he was charged was cola nutted. He exprrissed his unfeigned eurruw at haring yielded. in the ese;terneot of a ousted, to the represeetsi- Lions of his friends. awl at haring supplied his agents with aunt* of money a lar;i: port, n .4f wbieh he had reason to e was .pent Weep . ply. In conchssion he humbly prayed that the house ...hold tali, the whole Mr*cumstinces of the case into consideration with a view of sAfording him such rel ef sw th-v r-ight deem advisable. As some motion would probably he intrndoced bawd upon Ede petitlon, he IHr. Bright) would move that it be pruned and circulated with the votes. The mreinn we* ayreed tn. LANDING OP GENERAL GARMALDI. Lon, KUSAELL hecight ip eerie. of (neth er corn. .Inalrtw•e in reference to the :aniline of General Garibaldi iu Sicily. WAKEFIELD ELECTION. OD the motion of Mr. Wye cont.* were oril-red of all criminal informations hied by the Attorney4eneril in re -1„" o f 1,0.7 ..r opriliptioll at the last electron for the borough of Wakellea -- SICILY. Yr. H. SHERIDAN gaye uolice of his intention at an natty flay tr. avit Ithetber it was the intention of the govern• meat to in , re.on her Majesty 'a .hips to the Sicilian waters, in order that their sight afford :.roteetinti P1:101211332i01.41 o„ -n•-lee . yonder 1:1q11111 411/ whet!ler they inteeded to expel, their abhorrence of a 1.. h seta es the retest bombe of Flamm°, and whetlin it was th.nr intatAtt•si to I.r , tniit against the interference of any non. Italian emer in the ntriip.gk nos pending between the Sing of Naples and hie revolted sabjilia THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JUNE 12, 1860. DUTIES ON GAME LICENSM Mr. lICHILEWION said the Chancellor d the Exchequer whether, with nihreace to the alteration of the duties on lem• breams he propped to contisse the excons in W set 52 Goo. BU, as to the dautryia( crab by ths proprietors el worms or la say easerest or by the towns of bads, or by penes' by their dinettes sad commas!. The CH A :tiCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sail he wished to ry that he to leers the low entirely untouched as it regarded tie - ielrtfs. of ra►bits ; sad, in point of fact, be proposed to tat:oder ao change in the law other than thre impressed fa the nothrikeis, sad the only one of Yrs which had reference to game was that which included the erekt. " deer" nadir the bud of pan. self compelled to postpone this bill until such questions had ' been passed through thin house. There are other questions with regard to the usual supplies of the year, and which are not yet voted.. The every votes have not at present buses granted, and there are the whole civil serves* auliziatas to be dimmed. It might be rairmable to ask for • vote on account, but it would not be nameable to postpone the diseamion on these estimates beyond the early pert of Jaly. Well, them questions would have interfered with the pro ceedings upon this bill, and made it asesssary to ask for delay. But, sir, there is a still fortherquedian with regard to which I must say • few words te the horse, and that is as to the nature of the bill before us. I think it necessary to Mate that the government were persuaded, and are per suaded, that a reduction of the borough franchise is required for the future safety of the state and the improvement of the representative system. (Cheese.) Many years ago, when I had to consider this question, there wee a member of this house (Mr. Hume) who urged that six out of seven male adults were excluded from the franchise, and that among those excluded there were to be found men of intelligence and property who were fully entitled to the exercise of the franchise. (Hear, hear.) The argument of the hoe. gentle man made a great impression upon me, and inquiries were made as to who were excluded, and what was the diameter of the working men, and those inquiries convinced me that many of those men possessed sufficient intelli gence and Integrity which qualified them fur the exercise and to the right of voting. But if that were the case then their continued and perpetual exclusion from the franchise would be an injury to them, and their addition to it must strengthen the basis upon which our representative institu tions stand. I sin persuaded more than ever before, that there are great numbers of persons who would exercise the franchise well and worthily, and if admitted to it, that the basis of the representative institutions of the country would be strengthened and maintained. It is, therefore, - sir, our intention at the earliest opportunity to introduce • bill for the reduction of the franchise, nor am I discouraged fromsaying this, because more than once measures of this kind have been obliged to be postponed. But measures of liberal principles which are in conformity with the opinions of the majority of the house have been frequently postponed, but when once they have obtained the anent of parliament, they have remained permanently enrolled among the sta tutes and institutions of the country. For a long time the sacramental test was required as a test for office, but no one would now think of proposing the re-enactment of that test. Then, again, the Roman catholica were ' excluded from this house and from holding office, in con equence of an oath being required which they would not take, but no one would attempt now to pass a measure for the exclusion of the Roman catholic'. A Reform Bill was passed through parliament, and no one would now think of restoring the boroughs which were then disfranchised. And in the same manner I am convinced that when another reform measure has been passed through the houses of p•rliament, for the purpose of enlarging the franchise, and extending it to persons who are Testified and who have • right to vote, no one will think of disturbing that settlement or attempt to curtail the right so granted. (Hear, hear.) It is, therefore, with the utmost confidence that I look forward to the introduction of a measure for carrying these principles into effect. But before sitting down I must ask my hon. friend to withdraw his motion, and on that being done I will move that the order for going into committee be discharged. (Hear.) Mr. MACK LNNON mid in answer to the appeal made to him he must congratulate the house and the country upon the settlement of this great question. (Laughter.) He traded that the powerful mind and valuable time of the noble lord would be better employed in carrying on diplo matic relations than in devoting them to this bill. The noble lord might be better employed in settling the affairs of the nations of Europe than: in sitting night after night in listening to discussions on the question of the franchise. He congratulated the noble lord, sod he trusted his efforts as their foreign minister would be attended with the greatest success. He also trusted that Englishmen in general would cordially congratulate one another on the determination of the government ; that all recriminations would cease and be forgotten ; and that all hon. members would be anxious to promote the business of the country and set their shoulders to the wheel in earnest, in order that they might make up for the lost time of the session in these fruitless discussions. Under these circumstances, with great satisfaction, he would withdraw his amend ment. (Hear, hear.) Mr. DISRAELI—I think, sir, that her Majesty's govern ment have taken • wise and not undignified course to-night. (Hear, hear.) it was much better, under the circumstances in which the house finds itself in regard to the peeper of public business, that the government should make up its mind to adopt the course now proposed rather than have allowed the house to go into committee and have wasted more valuable time without coming to any satisfactory re sult. The government would only have prevented what they will now find themselves able to do, viz., carry on the business of the house with more rapidity and with greater unanimity on both sides. I would not have touched upon the Reform Bill now about to be withdrawn had not the noble lord made some allusions to this side of the house which I cannot readily pose by. (Hear.) But I beg the noble lord and the house to recollect that if this bill is withdrawn it is not from any successful oppoei. tient, or any opposition of any kind—(" oh. oh")—any op pesition of any kind which has been offered to a real bona fide amendment of the representation of the people. (Laughter.) The bill has not succeeded because the gcvern meat has this year been encumbered with an immense mass of public business of a character which rendered it impos sible for any government in the face of it to carry • bill like the Reform Bill through the house; and, sir, as there have been complaints on both sides of the house of delay, I may be permitted to observe that the reel cause of the delay has been the government undertaking matters of such importance and encumbered with such details that it be. came physically and morally impossible to carry the measure which they have now so wisely withdrawn. Of course, in the beat of debate, some imputatiose have been dealt out on both sides ; but I am now myiag that which I take literally to be the state of the cam, beau,. I believe it would have been impossible for the government to have carried on the business of the country had thee persisted with this measure. The go vernment had other engagements which rendered the fur ther progress of this bill impossible. I shall not enter in de.ail into the policy of the noble lord's bill ; but with re ference to the principle laid down by the noble lord, as to the necessity of the admission of the working classes in some degree to the franchise, I would remind the house that that has never been a subject of controversy. What we have disputed has been the means of carrying out that object ; and in as far as I can read the public opinion or follow the course of intellectual investigation. I cannot help thinking that before the house is again called upon to consider this question, means more satisfactory for settling the question will be found than what I may be permitted to call the coarse and vulgar expedieat of the degradation of the franchise. (Opposition cheers.) I would therefore say, on the part of gentlemen on this side of the house, that while they see with perfect approba tion the course which the government has taken with re gard to this measure, we also conceive that they acted in a spirit of perfect honour and propriety to this house. We give them credit for being actuated by • sincere desire for the public welfare, and an anxiety for the public service, and I can assure them that they may expect from this aide of the nouse every help and assistance in carrying on the public business, and that consideration which is due to a government, and especially to the noble lord, who has sacrificed much that was dear, and honourably deer, to many of its members. (Hear, hear.) Before I sit down I have to ask the indulgence of the house for a few momenta, while I explain • personal matter. If it merely concerned myself I should no, take this opportunity of alluding to it ; built concerns the feelings of another hon. member, and it concerns matters which are generally interesting to all members of this house. The hon. member for Birmingham stated the other night that I had entered into a compect with some one on his side of the house to introduce a re. form bill something like his own, that was to say one with under • 10/. franchise. The statement circulated very freely, but, like others in which I have been concerned, I did not think it necessary to take any notice of it, but when the hon. member for Birmingham was about to found an emu. meat on it I took the liberty of interrupting him and in forming him that he laboured under a complete misappre- hension. It appears that the gentleman whose name had been mentioned, and who was not in his place when I in. terrepted the hon. member, was under the impression that I dared I had had no communication whatever with him, lad that the whole statement was unfounded. I should be glad at all times to remove a false impremion, and as this is probably the last time we shall this year have any thing about parliamentary reform—la laugh)—l trust I shall be allowed a few moments whilst I clear away this one, which intimately concerns the relations between the individual who for the time being may have the leadership of this house and its other members, upon which ever side of the house they may sit. When 1 wee in that position it was often my duty, as well as plea- MIN to be of service to gentlemen on both sides, and I see • rasa many gentlemen on the benches opposite with whom I have often been in communication, and I trust they will admit that on all occasions they received from me every passible courtesy. (Hear, hear.) Amongst others, I mimed more than one visit in Downing -street from the gen tlemen who now represents Sunderland. It was no assent appointment ; he came to me on a subject of great impor tance, and I may my that be came to me because I was leader of the house—that was the fact. I did what! could for him in the matter respecting which he ante, which was of the greatest importance, referring, as it did, to con traband of war at • time when hostilities had just commenced between France and Austria. Now, it so happened that when he cams • newspaper was lying on the table which contained an official, that is to say an opposition official announcement, that a Tote of want of confidence was about to be proposed against her Majesty's government on the ground that they were throw. ing over parliamentary reform, and should therefore be ap pose* by all tonedentents ratonanca Well, the boa now bow for Suadistand called my attention to this pampa* sad said Jima for his part he did not agree with the pro posed inotion, nor del he believe that • vote of want of easidesses was one that the house would agree to. He added that there were • peat many independent members as his side of the hoer who did not approve of it any mare than he did, sad when he svelte to me I cannot say that there was anything confidential in our communications, but with just so much discretion as prevented their degeuerat- Mg into gossip I replied to kiln as I always speak to gen. Horn every night, in that spirit of free and candid intercourse which I trust will always exist amongst members of this house, who will never forget that th are not only members of parties, but also an assembly of gentlemen ; and I said that if h e meant there was to be a vote of want of confidence because there was not to be • reform bill that session, there might be, but that it was not our intention finally to throw over the measure. On • subsequent occasion the hon. member said to me, " I can assure/on there is a feeling of great dissatisfaction on the part of a great many members of the house ; and that if you can only say that government is not going to throw over the measure, but mesa to deal with it another time, such declaration would have an exordingly good effect' I re plied that it was totally impossible for me, or any minister, to say, except in parliament, what was to be the policy of government—that the policy of government must be stated in my place in parliament; but this I added, " Yon may depend upon it we do not mean to bring forward another reform bill this year; nor are w ing to reject the m easure altogether. We do not ourselves bound by the bill which the hoar has rejected, but hope still to dealt with the question in • satisfactory manner, and as you lay many members of the house want to be satisfied before they vote want of confi donee as to what is to be our course, you may take it for panted that before the vote is come to I will state what would be our course of policy, so as that nobody shall vote in ignorance." I believe that the hon. member for Sunder. hand had confidence in what I Mated, and I cannot under stand what imputation could be cast on his honour for wish ing to have a clear understanding on so important a subject. He was not the only liberal member to whom we were often indebted whilst in office for a candid and liberal support There can be no doubt but that he exerted himself amongst his friends' and r to what took place between him and me, it was ari l what may take place between persons similarly situated every day. I think that the conduct of the hon. member for Sunderland was perfectly parliamentary, honourable, and straightforward. I stated that in a letter, when he was attacked last year; but as the matter has now been brought under the notice of parliament, I thought I would take this notice of it in my pies. I take it for granted that the feeling of the house in such matters is the same as my own, and that there is no desire to pot a bar against frequent communications between the leader of this house and the members on either side. 'They do not, I trust, mean to sanction it as a rule that the leader of the house for the time being is to treat all members who may I. politically opposed to him with the greatest reverence, or to look upon ' the conduct of the hon. member for Sunderland as anything but proper and parliamentary. (Hear, hear.) Mr. BRIGHT said, although the announcement given by Lord John Russell was received with much regret in his (Mr. Bright's) neighbourhood, he did not blame him for the course he had taken. He lamented to find his hopes blighted, but felt that it would be unjust to attack the government for difficulties for which they were not entirely responsible. The session, however, had not been wholly without results. The reform of the tariff was of itself • measure of great importance, so was the commercial treaty and nothing could exceed the good faith and honour of th e French government in their endeavours to carry out the provider of the treaty. He had authority for saying that, as the convention was now proceeding, the results of the treaty would be such as to exceed the sanguine an ticipations of its friends. I hope (continued the hon. member), that during the winter—between this time and the time when we shall meet again —such of us as may meet again —that there will be expressed throughout the country a firm and wise opinion with regard to the course which parliament should take in the coming ses sion. (Hear, hear.) Why should not hon. members oppo site entertain more liberal views! (A laugh.) An hon. gentleman near the gangway laughed, but if this wets the time, I could easily show him that all our legislation of which we have reason to be proud daring his life and mine—legislation according to what we term liberal views —(cheers)— has been opposed by the _party ' with which ho is oonnected—(crses of " no, no," and " hear")—and has been supported uniformly ay the party with which I have been connected. (Cheers.) Vfell, if it be so in the past, why not so in the future! (Hear, hear.) We may be as right in these questions as on those previous questions. Look at the condition of our people. That great measure which the Chancellor of the Exchequer has passed this year—the reform of the tariff—is but • portion of the great work that has been going on for 20 years— (hear, hear)—and yet I will undertake to say that that great work, completed within 20 y ears , has done much for the people and poor of England in giving them the comforts of life and some taste of indepeadence. (Cheers.) I say that this has done more than all the party contests, party triumphs, bloody wars, extensive conquests, martial re nown, and historical glories you have had for more than • century past. (Loud cheem) Now what I want is that the house should always consider the great body of the people. The peers, the rich, the powerful, can always take care of themselves and never suffer, unless it may be foe • time, in great political convulsions which we all hope may never visit our country. Look at the condition of the great body of the people—their intelligence, their morality, and their independence—and you find written in characters which you cannot mistake the real truth with regard to the government under which they live. (Hear, hear.) I say then that the course taken by the Chancellor of the Exche quer is one laden with blessings to the great body of the people— (cheers)—and lithe House of Commons would at the same time, whilst so much good physically was being conferred upon them—if in the same session it could have shown its confidence in them by offering them this mode rate extension of the suffrage which the noble lord proposed, I think it would have been said in after times that there had been no session of the parliament of England comparable to that of 1860 for the good it had given to the people, and for the binding effect which its legislation had had between the great body of the people and the three estates of the realm. (Loud cheers.) Hr. NEWDEGATE begged to say that, whatever had been the course pursued by other hoe, members, he for one had never given his approval to the bill of her Majesty's govern meet for the amendment of the representation of the Pe rk JAMES said he most confess that the speech made by the right hon. gentleman the member for Bucks contrasted leery gracefully and strongly with the speech made by the noble lord at the bead of the government on the occasion of the right hon. gentleman introducing his Reform Bill. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord (Lord Palmer ston) had said that the then government should not with draw their Reform Bill, and that they were bound to pro ceed with the bill, for they bad taken the government with all its engagements. (Hear, hear.) He did not wish to make any comment on the funeral oration on the fall of the bill which had been spoken by the noble lord the member for the City of London, but if the bill should want an epi taph to be inscribed on the stone where it lay, there was one he remembered reading in the elegant extracts when he was a boy : " If so soon that I am done for, I wonder what I was begun for." . - (Laughter.) He thought the lines would form a very apt inscnption in memoriam on this short-lived child. (Renewed laughter.) The noble lord (Lord J. Russell) was told very early in the present year by_some hon. member, that i the ntroduction of the bill would be is certain destruction during the session. He thought that ministers had in curred a very serious responsibility by its withdrawriL (Hear, hear.) In justice to hon. gentlemen on the opposi. tion benches it might be said that the bill had been intro- duced in such a form—was such a mere skeleton of a con. stitutional in bringing forward amandmento with •-• they °odd not fairly be charged — wiiii obstructive and on delays. There was no registration provided by the rrirough the bill of the right boo. gentleman the member for :Backs contained clauses of registration. He (Mr. James) had called the attention of the government to the /act, and the answer he received was cold, official, bureaucratic, whigoeratic-(a laugh)—it was that, at the proper time, the government would introduce another mea sure to provide for registration. After that answer he saw at ones the bill could not possibly pass. (Hear, hear.) If the mom» had pawed in August there would bays been no elesdaw until 186'2, and if a dissolution had taken Am afterwards they would have had twentyffive seats diatom &hied without any member being returned for the new am atituencies. He could not consider the taking the CODS= wen any ground for postponing the bilk The government taken upon themeelves a serious responsibility in with & If they had followed his advice with regard to aedersYen a dvice which was given out of pure benevo lemer—(langhter) —and then had had the courage and to go on with the measure, he felt sure it might bees been carried. (Hear, hear.) Mr. D. GRIFFITH contended that in any extension of Om Wimp to the working dares they oug ht to provide an equivalent compensation to the upper classes. Lea FERMOY said that the house wee perfectly boo from any charge of to the when it was w ir ati .t i i i xt t e i e mo, and the argu ment of time fellremem bered that this, which was to haws n par excellence the reform, had lost six weeks at the commencement of the session before they brought in their bill. (Hear, hear.) Then as to the Chinese war and the defences of the country. He did r.ot see say reason why they should not provide for the Chinese war and the defences of the country and for a Reform Bill also. (Hear, hear.) At all events this was no sufficient reason why a government pledged to a Belem Bill, as the present ministry were, should %blades that pledge, seeing that the Chinese estimates might be as well submitted, and the defences of the country as well provided for by hon. gentlemen opposite as by those who now filled the ministerial benches. (Cheers.) Again, as to the want of enthusiasm on the part of the country on the subject, the noble lord had, as he always did on such occasions, favoured the house with sundry chapters of constitutional history, and reminded them that in the several cases of catholic emanciution, the Re form Bill, and free trade, when the principle of those mea sures was num carried by a majority of that Louse, they were certain to triumph. He would ask the noble lord did those measures triumph by being abandoned by their own pro. moters ?—(omeition cheers)—yet such was the course the noble lord took in the present instance. How could they expect enthuses's& in the oonntry when the very men who came Into power for the express purpose of carrying for. ward a bill for improving the representation of the people, abandoned It as soon as they experienced the slightest op petition ? (Cheers.) Mr. B. OSBORNE—Though he had not been so fortunate as to collect the tenor of the hon. member for Devizes' &emotions, AM he pthared from their mournful tens, thst, if not a mute, the hon. gentleman was a sincere mourner on the present solemn occasion. (A laugh.) But the bon. member, at all events, paled in contrast with the hon. and learned member for Marylebone, for it was evident to every one that the hon. gentleman was somewhat of a merry mourner, and that, differing from his noble oolleagne in this respect, he did not regret the premature cbaeolution of the bill. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. B. Osborne) could not agree with the hon. and learned member, that any discredit attached to the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) for giving up the bill ; and thought that the cri ticism of the hon. and learned member was as unjust and ungenerous as that of his noble oolleague the other member for Marylebone. (Hear, bear.) His noble colleague was somewhat astonished, he said, the other sled at the attack of the right hon. gentleman opposite upon the noble lord. He (Mr. Osborne) was much more estaniebed to hear the attack which the noble lord the member for Marylebone had just made on the noble lord the Minister for Foreign Affairs—(cheers)—and be must say he did not think the house would be disposed to endorse the opinions of either of the members for liarylebone in the peemt instance. He could not subscribe to the opinion that the noble lord (J. Russell) was responsible for the aban donment of the bill. (Ministerial cheers.) If responsibility ' attached anywhere it was to the conduct of the house in this matter. The hon. member for Rye had got up to-night and in a somewhat jaunty manner declared that he was the man who killed cock robin—(cheers and laughter)—and then he proceeded to congratulate the house ou what he called the settlement of the question. He (Mr. Osborne) could congratulate neither the house nor the hon. gentleman on this settlement. (Hear, hear.) He had come down to hear the question put that the hen. gentleman's amendment should be withdrawn. But the hon. member entered into a history of a similar motion brought forward by him in 1831, and which he said he brought forward because he was a devoted and consistent follower of the noble lord's. Now, if he mistook not, the hon. gentleman was not a devoted and consistent follower of the noble lord's in 1831 ; but on the contrary, voted on every occasion against the noble lord's Reform Bill. (Cheers.) But the hon. member was then member for Lymington, one of the boroughs minded in schedule B of that bill, and he could understand the hon. gentleman moving under those circumstances that the bill should be postponed until the census was taken. He had, however, no such ground of complaint now—for Rye was not include.l m the list of boroughs that would be interfered with by this bill ; but it appeared that the hon. gentleman was so deeply enamoured of his first love that nothing could prevent him from interposing this ridiculous motion on every opportunity, thougn it had no more to do . with the subject than the speech of the boo. gentleman opposite. (Cheers, and laughter.) They bad heard tonight something of the dignity and wisdom of the proposed course. He (Mr. Osborne) considered that the noble lord hail discharged his duty with dignity, but he very much questioned the wisdom of the house in the course they were taking. What were they in point of fact doing? They were doing nothing but offering a premium for out-of doors agitation. (Hear, hear.) Hon. gentlemen said that the people were indifferent on the subject of reform—that in ha mind was 'not a theme for congratulation, for it showed that the people had no sympathy with the present House of Commons. (Cheers.) What were all the mo tions for postponement—all the instructions to the com mittee which stood upon the paper—penned for, but to obstruct the WI? (Cheers, and " No.") There had been no fair stand-up fight on the question. The second reading had passed not sub silentio—for that was impossible—for they knew the power of talk in that house wits enormous—(cheers. and laughter)—butit hail passed without • fight. The bill had not been defeated bat bed been got rid of by • species of political assaasination —by adminietering small dome of adjournment—(hear. bear)— and now in the month of June, the bill not having got into committee, sod there being no chance of its going into com mittee if all the obstructive motions on the paper wens persisted in, the noble lord the member for Marylebone complained of the noble lord the Foreign Secretary for dropping the bill. (Hear, bear.) The noble lord (J. Russell) had no other course—but it became that house to consider and to consider seriously the position in which it bad placed itself—for out of doors he believed it would not be regarded with either respect or credit. What was their position in respect to this reform question! The right hon. gentleman, the leader of the opposition party, said in 1859, when speaking in support of the Reform Bill of the late government, and deprecating further postponement— " that for fifteen years reform hail been a parliamentary question, and that for ten years it had been a ministerial question. That five times it had been announced as a cabi net measure, and five times it had been promised in the speech from the throne," and yet in 1860 they were doing what they did in 1859, defeatirg the Reform Bill by delay. He thought it was calamitous for the party that the right hon. gentleman opposite had brought in a reform bill at all; but having done so he regretted that it was so summarily rejected, and thought its rejection moat unfor tunate. (Opposition cheers.) He was inclined to think that the right hon. gentleman opposite was right in the course he took in relation to the Reform Bill and the late government, and that be was most unfortunate in the way it was met by the party now in power. ("Hear, hear," from the same quarter.) But what had been the posi-ion of the question since? Hon. gentlemen opposite were recent converts to reform—for everybody was a reformer now—the only question was as to the pace and who should drive the coach. (" hear, hear," and laughter.)—but hon. gentlemen opposite, by whom this measure was fled brought forward, did they even so much aa hint any opposition to the principle of the bill? The right hon. gentleman the memlyn. for Droitwich 'meths first to complain, and he slid so very much in the spirit al Sir Prttful Plagiary. His complaint was that there was nothing in the bill to complain of. The right hon. gentle man the leader, it was true, objected that the bill would s= property and intelligence, but he supported the i reading, and the bill vraa allowed to pass the seemed reed ing without • division ; and now they had all these pretexts for amendment, which were too transparent to deceive any body except the noble lord the member for Mmilebone, and he would no doubt change his opinion the next time he went to a meeting at the Yorkshire Stingo. (Laughter.) He was of opinion that the people of England, motet from being dis satisfied with the course taken by the noble lord (.1. Russell), would sympathies with his position—though be did not think they would very much sympathise with the position in which the great body of the House of Commons stood. (Hear.) " An open foe might prove a curse, But • pretended friend was worse." (Hear, hear.) What was the language used in refer ence to this reform bill by the noble lord the leader of the conservative party in another place ? He said, "I am of opinion that it is highly inconvenient and dangerous that from session to session a question of this importance and interest should be pernetually kept dan gling before the legislature and the country." (Hear, hear.) And he added that, without pledging himself to the details, he would give the subject his attention with an honest and earnest desire not to trifle any longer with this great and important question. (Hear, hear.) But what had the party opposite been doing all this session but trifling with this great and important question? He had quoted the declaration of the noble lord the leader of the conservative party in the other house. What was said by the leader in the Boum of Commons? " Was parliamentary reform," he &eked, " • subject to be left to fiction, to be dealt with in times of excitement, and to be settled, not by the raison, but by the passions of the people ?" What wee the house going to do now ? Were they going to allow that passion and no season of the peo beeple to settle the question ? (Hear, bear.) Could there a time more fit to pass a reform bill than the present, a time when the people would be satisfied with much less than they would be eventually if the settlement of the question were postponed ? He knew the time had gone by for discussing the measure ; nor was it his intention to do so, but this he would say, if the house were cooteut thus from year to year to shuttle off the question with pretexts and delays that deceived no man in or out of the house, the time might come when, with • bad harvest, and discontent raging both at home tad abroad, they might be called upon to pass a measure that was really not influ enced by the reason but the passion of the people. (Cheers.) He was surprieel that the conservative party, with such a fair offer as had been made by the noble lord to settle the question in • way so conformable to the tenets of their own politipal creed, should not have eagerly accepted it and assisted in passing the bill, and thus en abled the House of Commons to show that they were really consistent in their desire to settle the question. (Hear.) Mr. HORSMAN, after remarking that the strongest op position offered to the bill had come from the supporters of the government, entered upon an elaborate justification of the course he had taken upon this question, end of th e mums which had rendered the present attempt to legislate upon it abortive. He animadverted upon the incon sistencies of Mr. Bright in relation to the bill, and, re ferring to the promise, or something like a promise, which had been given by Lord J. Russell to introduce another reform bill, he warned him that it was no light thing for a minister of England to discredit its old constitution, and to promulgate the doctrine that it was a legitimate func tion of the state to make • new distribution of political power, giving less to intelligence and property and more to numbers. The house was now aware that this measure slid not emanate from without, hut from official rivalry and a desire to bid for the support of a political minority, which ruled the Cabinet, the house, and the country, because its support was a political necessity. Mr. ANGER MIN deeply regretted the muse which the government had thought fit to pursue. Mr. BLANEY was of opinion that the government, under the circumstances, had taken the right course. The &avulsion was continued by Mr. R. Long, Mr. W. E. Buncombe, Mr. Warner, and Mr. Whalley. Mr. Mackinnon's amendment w■s then withdrawn, and the order of the day for going into committee was dis charged. The bill was then withdrawn. OFFENCES AGAINST THE PERSON BILL. Tho Offences against the Person Bill, being one of a series of eight bills sent down from the Peers, aud designed to con solidate various branches of the criminal law, was brought forward for second reading by the Solicitor-General, who entered into a legal explanation of the nature, scope, hie- WIT, and intention of the several measures which the house was now asked to unction. A legal discussion ensued, in which Mr. Whiteside, the Atiorneykieseral, Mr. Bowyer, Hz Healey, Mr. Areas and other members took part. The bill was then read a second time, as were the other bills of the criminal 'writ.... The Tithe Commutation Bill was read a second time, after some explanation by Sir G. C. Laws. The Landlord and Tenant (Ireland) No. 2 Bill we. read a second thus, on the motion of Mr. Wernimiu, after a brief diapason.- _ - The adjurnail debate on the Tenure and Improvement of Lend(' reland) Bill was then resumed by The (YDONOG II CI:, who opposed the measure as being absolutely worthless towards securing their just rights to the great body of tenants-at-will in Ireland. He was, nevertheless, willing to read the bill a second time, in the hope of being able to amend it in committee. Mr. LONGFIELD believed that the relationships be tween landlonla and tenanta were rapidly improving in Ire:and. He approved of the bill, which he thought cal culated to improve the law andazneliorate the condition of the tenant occupiers. Mr. WEVOY also thought that the bill, though not good, was ca pab le of being made acceptable. Mr. WHIT} IDE gave reasons for preferring the mea sure which he bad himself brought forward on the sub ject Mr. HENNESSY defended the Irish landlords. After some remarks from Mr. BLAME, and a brief reply from Mr. CARDWILL, the amendment, moved by Sir .1. Walsh on the 15th of May was negatived without a divi• doe, and the bill read a second time. It was afterwards committed pro formd, for the purpose of being reprinted with amendments, and ordered to be recommitted on Fri day next. THE MASTERS AND OPERATIVES BILL. This WU was rod a third time sad passed. COUNCILLORS OF BURGHS AND BURGESSES S t aLAND) BILL. Iltis bill paned sullies. LEASING ANDIMPROVING LANDS (IRELAND) BILL. This bill was read • owed time. CRIMINAL LUNATICS. Sir O. C. LEWIS obtained 1;;;;i;:o1;rirTir in a bill for the better care and custody of criminal lunatics. The other orders were then disposed of, and the house adjourned at 10 minutes to 2 o'clock. We are requested by Mr. Buxton, M.P., to state that his name was ac c identally omitted from the list of pairs on the division on Thursday. Mr. Angerstein requests us to state that he was kept from the division of Thursday night by serious illness in his family, which required his preaseoe. MARKETS. LONDON WEEKLY DOCK KETURNB.—Jcim 9. Importd. Bunan—West India casks 6,838 Mauritius bap 18,971 Bengal and Madras bags 460 Itnang — Foreign 24,657 COr7in—W.l 6 Mocha Ceylon Coons—W.l. bap 3,512 Foreign 233 BUY—W.I 1,949 Deliver& Pr. Steel 2,9t1 16,293 2,210 12,04 133 2,524 800 168 814 IMPORTS OF FOREIGN GRAIN AND FLOE From January 1 to June 2, 1800, and the c period of IS6II I 23,296 241,802 91,027 .: ! 19,440 I 0 , 062 ,109,988 386,301 I zszon 441 635 4,250 ♦,730 25,497 , 35,642 7,757 10,011 10,752 I ♦,059 34,207 I ,016 rlt INTO LONDON, MILO% I BULLS!. OM /LOCI. QM Qn• irk Oaks. 1859 1888 116,791 93,500 I 144,818 18,139 8!,800 Doman, Dorman. Dammam. Increase. Decrease. • Chlegy "Preach. TALLOW.—The unseasonable weather last week elm. bhng the chandlers to work and the supply of town tallow being very small, we had a strong denuoid for Y. C. tallow on the spot, which waa freely met by holders, and prices were consequently steadily maintained. The market for forward periods of delivery was firm, the trade buying from day to day. To-day the market remains good in all posi tions, and closes : Spot, 525. ; June, 51a. 9d. ; July to September, tils. 9d. to 6d. ; October to December, 51a. 9d. buyers; separate monthly deliveries, August to December, al. No Odessa here. South American, 525. lid., first pipes ; 51s. 611. to 52s yellow. For town tallow 52a. net cash is offered, but there appears to be none ready for de livery ; that price, however, would be taken for trifles for delivery nest week. Cocoa nut oil is higher and firm ►t 455. 10d. to 465. ; Cochin. 445. ; Ceylon, 435. ; Sydney, Palm oil quiet, at 45e. to 6d. ; rough fat, 2s. 90.—(From the circular of Messrs. Smith and Charles, dated Monday evening.) merrom.—Lrriamor., Jcws 11.—Oar market has opened very list and irregular, with a moderate business. The sales are 7,000 bales. including 5,550 American, at 4.N. to 80.; 500 Sent, 3d. to 4K ; 260 Agyptian, 8. to ; 350 Perham . Md. to BK.; 30 Bahia, 71d. ; 320 Maranham, 7K to Std.—of which 1,000 are for specula tion and export. The week's import is 26,017 bales. CATITLE.—LnranooL, Jun 11.—The supply of beef is larger, of mutton and lamb much the same as last Monday ; the deriand very good for each at last week's prices. 00ALS.-LoNDON, Jowe 11.-Bates' West Hartley, 15s. &L ; Clark's West Hartley, 16e. ; Davison's West Hartley, 16e. 3d. ; Hastings Hartley, 16s. 3d.: Holywe ll , 15s. ; Howard's West Hartley, 16a. ; Lambert's West Hartley, 16s. 3d. ; To:afield Moor, 13s. ; TanSeld Moor Butes, 13e. ; Walker Primrose, 13s. 3d. ; West Hartley, 16s. 3d. ; Wylam, 15s. 9d. ; *alls End Braddylbo Hatton, 17s. 9d. ; Walls End Framwellpte, 17s. 6d. ; Walls End Haswell, ilts. 6d. ; Walls End LaMbton, 18s. 6d. ; Walla End South Hatton, 18s. &L; Walla End Stewart's,lBe. 6d. Wa n End i&e, 17a. 9d, ; Walls End Hartlepool,; 18e. 3d. ; Walls End Haugh Hall, 17s. 6d. ; Walls End Kelloe, lfts. ; Walls End Shimliffe, 16e. 9d. ; Walls End Sw-th Hartlepool, .17s. 6d. ; Walls End South Kelloe, 17s. 9d. ; Walls End Trimdnn Thornier, 16e. 6d. ; Walls End 17s. &L ; Camay and Marra Malting, 225. Gd ; F'ir Thorpe, th's Robin Hood, 14a. 6d. ; Llangennech, 21.. -Ships at market, 78 ; sold, 77. DAMAGE BY A THUNDERSIGEM.—OG Saturday enening, between mix and .even o'clock, a storm of thunder and lightning which passed over Manchester caused some damage to property. The electric fluid struck the top of the large new warehouse of Mr. S. Mendel, in Portland-street. Several of the thick glass skylights were smashed, a wooden partition was knocked down, and very distinct traces left of its progress. A leaden gas-pipe had a piece melted corn. pletely out of it, yet, singularly enough, both ends of the Moe were fused up, so t ha t the gas did not escape. In Clarendon-street several squares of glass in a window were perforated by small holes, without breaking the squares. We have not heard of any personal injury, although there were some narrow magma. SITIINOSOIII;NE AND SHEERNESS RAILWAY.—A special meeting of this company was held at the offices in King William-street yesterday, Mr. Magnus in the chair, when a resolution passed at a meeting in Queenborough in August last, authorising the mixing an additional capital of 40,000!, with • preferential dividend of 5 per cent.—only 1,11601. having been taken up—was rescinded, and the direc tors authorised to issue the shares with • dividend of per cent., at which there was reason to believe they would be taken up. It was stated the line would be ready for opening in • few days. [Advertisement. k . — HOLLOWAY'S OINTMENT. Smallpox. Vaccinatino. eething.—Durieg the period of teething the child's nervous system is rendered Irritable, the skin becomes dr) and feveriali, • rash succeeds, which Is followed by unsightly elite for the prevention and cure of which every mother may confidently rely on thin cooling and healing unguent which will be found equally beneficial in the inflammation sometime, from vaccination, and In smallpox 'twit will afford ease, prevent scars. and contribute greatly Co the present comfort of the sufferer by soothing the inflamed and suppurating skin. No nursery should be without Holl.,wnye Ointment, %hien will prove itself an an tidote to almost all akin diseases; It will save pain In infancy and dlangiunment in maturer years. BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, AND DEATHS. BIRTHS. CARMAN.—Juno 10, at Ti7emle . ;r 7 t — e - rrace, Hackney, the wife of -- Mr. P. L Cartuan;ut a son. DUCK WORTEL—June S. at Wear House, near Exeter, Lady Duckworth, of a daughter. OOLDNEY.—Jane 7, la South-drank, Tunbridge-wells, the wife of the Bey. O. Ooldney, of a son. HAP.PEIL —June 7. at Italeigh.villas, Cauonbury.park, the wife of A. Harper, Esq., of a son. IIAYTER.—June 8, at Inverness-terrace. Kensington-gardens, the wife of H. G. !Lefler, Esq., of a daughter. MARRIAGES. IDWARDS—BIDEWELL —June 6, at Ayisharn. Norfolk. by the Bev. H. Edwards, H. A. Edwards, Esq., of Ouilfordetreet. Bussellequare, to Helen, daughter of W Bidewell. Esq., of Manor House, Aylshain. EVANS—SMITH.—June 7, at the Cathedral. Manchester, by the Bev. W. W. Johnson, M.A., Mr. T. Evans, to Henrietta, daughter of Mr. W. ii. Smith, all of theetham, Manchester. HALE—PRITCHETT.--June 9. at St. Pancras Church. by the Bey. C. H. Aodrews, Stephen Nickell. sou of E. J. Hale, Eaq., of Wobarn.hill, West Derby, Liverpool, to Elizabeth Ann, daughter of O. H. Pritchett, Esq., of Burton-crescent. DEATHS. BACKHOUSL—Jan. 7, at Ashburn., near Sunderland, E. Back. house, K 9., aged 79. BBOADBENT.—Jung 6, at Blackburn. Mr. J. Broadbent, Iriml CHETWYND.—Jtuze 7, at Blahton Hall, Stafford. Lily Chet wynd, aged 80. COlL—tome 10. In the 29th year of his age, William Henry, second son of Mr. Thome Cole, of la, Newgalestreet, deeply regretted. MWAIL—June 7, at Preeruantle CUR, Southampton, Ann, relict of the late D. Dewar, Esq., aged 74. l'El'AßT.—June 5, at Datgaise Bowe. Makeld, N. 8.. amide Scott Steuart, Fag. Printed and Pabibbed by It tt.21.01 Kno HAW. of Nix S Lombard Street, in the City of Loudon, hinter, at the Ofnee, in Lombard Street, tn the Prwciact of hitariamen Trrauer, Jilin 12, It6o. THE CASE OF DANIEL SllliA AND THE isullaroy. UNION. L. H. HERBERT ad:ail4i Presided of the Poor-law Beard whether his att.'s*a had been canal to the case of Daniel Shea, who, having bees sick for mem months, died on the 29th of Ray in the Killarney work/nese, is eases quenoe of hunger end cold endured by him as his passage from London to Cork ; and whether he had directed as ii gutty to he made ioto the conduct of the deportation offietals of the Islington Union, who caused his deportatiou under circumstances of such peculiar hardship. Mr. VILLIERS aid his attention had not been directed to this matter otherwise than by the notice on the paper. There had been no communication made to the Poor-law Board in reference to the matter. But he had directed an inquiry to be made of the parochial officers of Islington as to whet was known of this case, and they had positively denied that any blame attached to them, or that they were responsible for the death of Daniel Shea, s:ho was in the workhouse, and who most unusually applied to be removal to his own country. The metropolitan unions contracted with a person to remove paupers to their destinations, and be (Xt. Villiers) had directed inquiries to be made of that person, sad he stated that in every respect the requirements of the act of parliament had been com plied with. He also abated that the averments in the mo nomial were untrue, and he courted every investigation, and waa ready to prove his assertions upon oath. (Hear, hear.) THE CORPORATION OF LONDON BILL. Mr. E. JAMES said le wisbed to ask the right holt- dm' tlemsn the Hope Secretary whether it was correct that aa intonation had been given to the Remenibrancer of the Cor poration of London that the government did not intend to peacoat with this bill during this session. Sir G. (2. LEWIS said that no such information had been given by him or by his authority. It was the Bret time he had heard of this matter, and all he could lay wee that it was his intention to proceed with the bill. (Hear.) REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE BILL On the order being read for resuming the adjourned debate on going into committee, Lord J. RUSSELL rose and spoke as follows :—ln rising to address the house upon this question I must in the first place say that it is impossible for the government to accede to the motion of my hon. friend the member for Rye (Mr. Mackinnon), and it would be most inconvenient to the house itself, if, in deciding upon the question of a reform bill, they were to fix • time to which it should be postponed, or if they were to commit themselves to any such motion as that before the house. I trust, therefore, my hoe. friend will not persist in his am ailment. But I have a further statement to make to the house with respect to proceeding with this bill, and in doing so I beg to say that it is cot my wish to excite any hostility in this debate, or to refer more than in passing to what took place the other evening. On that evening my noble friend stated the case in favour of this bill being passed and against any delay, and I do not wish to abate • single word from what my noble friend said on that occasion ; but having said this much it is not necessary for me to repeat any arguments used on the former occasion on the part of the government. It is known to the house that 250 mem• ben have declared for the postponement of this bill during the present session. I say the postponement of the bill, because if we had taken a different line, and said we would go on not only with the English bill but with the Scotch and the Irish bills, it would have been said as strenuously, and to my mind with greater force, " You cannot expect to carry these three bills, but you may carry the English hill ; but if you attempt to carry the three bills for the representation of the people, it is obvious there will not be time for the performance of the duty." I say there were 250 member' who voted for the affirmation of the proposition of my hon. friend, and that being so the government thought themselves bound to consider seriously the position of the question, and what was their duty to the home end the country. I must say that I think if we ere not of opinion that we can succeed in carrying this bill through both Houses of Parliament in the present session it would be idle, and perhaps culpable, to go into committee for some four or fire nights, and make the delays which would arise in committee a reason for abandoning the bill. (" Hear, hear," from the Ministerialista.) The position, then, is this : We have not on the 11th of June gone into committee ; that on the lth of June there were 2.50 members who voted for the postponement of the mea lsure, and that there are some sixty or seventy amendments proposed for the consideration of the house in committee. It cannot be expected that all these amendments would be discussed The question of the representation of the people in parliament is a very large one, and in tho discussion of the bill before the house there is no great objection to the introduction of any topic immediately connected with the representation of the people, for the argusuents upon one point of the bill bear upon another—as for instance those with regard to the franchise, the distribution of seats, and other subjects, though not contained in the bill, belong to the question of the representation of the people. It would, therefore, be • matter which must take a considerable time. But then if we were able to cornmeal all the time from the 11th of June to what may be presumed the time for the usual closed the session, I should then say that it was our duty to proceed with the bai, sad even rats bite period propose it for the considera tion of the other house of parliament. It happens however that there are other questions which must be considered, and some of them would be interposed during the progress of this bill through committee. These are questions which have arisen very recently—questions with regard to supply, which depend upon the news received from China, and which puts an end to all hope that our dispute with the Chinese can be settled without hostilities ; and, therefore, the house will have to consider what sup. plus are necessary for the operations of the army sad navy now in the Chinese sees ; also the ways and means which maybe required for obtaining those supplies. There is another question which my noble friend mentioned the other night, via., the question which will arise out of the coosiderition of the report of the committee appointed to inquire into the defences of the country, and no one will pretend that these questions arising out of the China war and those in reference to the defences of the country will allow of the government postponing them, they being questions of great urgency and magnitude. Well, then, considering the question whether we could go through committee with the Reform Bill, we came to the conclusion that though there might be a pro bability of our going through committee and obtaining the assent of the House of Commons to the various amend. meats in the time to be devoted to the measure, yet there is • farther objection, via, if we were not able to carry the bill into a legislative act, it would not be fair to the House of Commons to ask them to decide any question which would thereby fetter their discretion, and then Imre the question 'pas for another year. Well, then, @apposing that Ws measure could be passed through this house in the ordi nary time of the session, it would not be posible to cam it in such a period es to go to the House of Lords and enable them to decide upon it. There arose a question whether by any extraordinary means, instead of the pro rogation at the usual time, it would not be possible to carry this measure this session, but d think it is evident that ire. portant as the question is, there is not that immediate urgency respecting it, and I may say, there is not such a demand in the country as to justify the government to resort to an extraordinary step of that kind. (Hear, hear.) Such being the case, we have come to the con. elusion which I will state to the house, viz., that it is not our intention to attempt farther to proceed with the bill in the present session, but I shall on the other head propose not to proceed with the bill. I think I should hardly be justified if I did not refer to some other questions which may be noticed, and perhaps against which some protest may be addressed to the govern ment. It nuy be said that on the 4th of June we asked to go into committee, and that if we had pressed it earlier in the minion we shoal have obtained the opinion of the house upon it. Bat upon this point I must remind the house that the first questhin in the session is that in refer ence to the usual supplies for the army and navy, and the government at a very early period this year brought for ward questions of the utmost importance, and not only of the utmost importance, bat of the greatest gravity. We thought it ear duty to conclude a commercial treaty with France, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer proposed various measures connected with it, and which affected the finances of the country. These were very great questions which it would not have been right, accord. ing to our views, to have postponed to an indebuite time, bemuse they were questions which, on account of their affecting the trade and industry of the country, it was rme. °memory to Massed with without delay. 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