The Express. — London, England, 1850-02-16 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—FIUtikT, FIB. 15. The Loa° Csanceuus meet hie mat at 6 o'clock. THE 01.' PRAOIEMIGRAB ON BOARD HIP. THE " INDIAN,' NT S The Earl of MOUNTOMIHELL, Innen to notice, larA to salt • queen*. on the web** of the marg. which had been muusitted on beard as eateries ship called the "ladies," sad boiled to Port Adelaide. Last summer the maul is oared.= left Erglasd with 182 emigrant persvegvn at board, comistieg of *amities sod several unmarried gemlike. It append that the i which the female* had received, and, is but, the whole Grew, newt • public meetirg to be called upon the arrival of the vessel at Adelaide. TM soadueS ci the MIMI MI" • and medical offices lied bees M end • Marresefeit that the maul wee made verse thus • teethed, the mint gross sod brutal outrages baring bees eamemised females. AMU Aroold, who did sot ikon to ISM is ths wishes co tho as mate, was takes an deck. where le& eta of water were tbrown over her, end on of no pmeingus who defended Iter was hawked down by the mak. She war then told by the septets that it she made • send ems plaint she would he placed I. osailasent. With the exception of the first mate • /Lr. Davk. who bad acted is • mast peahrewertly sod gem tlesaanlv mar.cter, ell the °Moen bed behaved meat disgracefully. It was a matter olemEosias , especially at this period, whoa Mr cr.rwas ao vouch talked of, that the Wilde 0111161 Do thoroughly Stud, with a view, is the EOM pielln, to sb. We redress is this particular Meta's, sad eke to prevent the Veurreaci ef suA emus is future. (Hoer, bar.) I. well snorted koala would UM to trust keesolf is beard • semi it she veld sot be ear* of peobastios. (Hess. booe a l. The cue of the lodise" was not • eingeler use; be th heard of other immures in whisk females as board emigrant vessels had met with similar treatment Ho wwbed be home whether the noble earl at the heed el the Centel department, had reseived a memorial Irma the colosy an the Wilda of the ill•treaustrat whit* the matinees lad roseimil ; and if so, whether ha would object to lay it cm the table / Earl GREY begged to Worm So noble suit that so official latAmation had yet bees resolved; but he had sees a sewspaper from W calm of later date thin tb. last othcial despatches, it having bees rearived overload by way of India. From Mist newspaper it appeared that as allegation had been web of the abuses and Gangs to whin the sable earl had relened, sad it appeared that the subject woo oi doe Ills sea lsntl.a of the solos's] go vernmeat. he could assure 1110 alibis earl that the noun would be punned with the utmost rigour by the lewd go messereat sad the pmeremest at hems ; sad if it was proved that such outrages bad taken pleas, the guilty parties would • subjeasid to the most severs pisiehmvat which scald be Witted ble d, rhea (Hesr, hem.) oommissioun were enabled, aster the set . MINN beak • large portion ef the prises a be paid for smigrano as pang* money ; sad wherever such abuses ,had taken pin, that power hod bean esersised. (Hear, hear.) The sable earl add Ws was eat a solitary as : he sold sours ids. however, that dim was sot altogether amid wed, ha woe very nearly so. Is this particular class of the " the engem who had bees appereted was takes ill just see* newel was pin is mil, sad the puma sesaplaind of boll • sppoiated i• W weed. The Earl of MOU ford ? yes mean Sand fibil GREY—Tea; and he (Earl Orly) had seen the tentsimials oa which the appointment had bees made; sad if On isomuseimis were devolved es to the ahazoner of that perms, they wore deceived by these who had famished sack stiong Metimosials in Ms raven. (Rear, hear.) The Wile earl had alluded to ether similar cans, wlth reforms to Id& eisigrants. As he had before said, they ware my veer—thio 'Seers mlly eas ducted themselves my well. No efforts„ wire spared to guard spurt then ahem. (Rear, hear.) The Earl of MOUNTCASRELL wee glad to hear the statemeat of the cable earl, sad had no doubt that it would produce a beneficial result. (Ren, hoar, ) Ater a few weeds from the Earl of GLENCIALL, which were icaudible in the gallery, the tabled dropped. EDUCATIONAL GRANTS. Lord STANLEY, Muria( to the 'abject of national *amities sad On t clause, begged to ask the Debi' marquis to whether a sweetest which he had sees la • pamphlet, within the last few days, to the effect Out la the can of schools hereafter to be meted they skald participate is the :advantages of the public grant, independently of their adoption or son-adop tion of the weeniest Masse, wee Witte ? The Marquis of LANSDOWNE declared that the pm- Octet was published without any authority whatever; r bet the isles relating to the management classes had been adopted with a view to sit's' satisfaction to the members of the Chetah of England. There woe no moon, !mem, why applications foe aseistasee treat schools which had an been erected by miletnnes hem gonisment should not be emulated. INCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND). Loyd GLENGALL moved for a Mara from the COMM" sioaers of the Court of Encumbered Estate.. Ireland, stating the cumber of petition lodrd in their court to this date, the came of each matter, the rental of the property in each ease proposed to be sold, and the gross &meat of encum brances stated to be charitable therein. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE had so objection to greeting the return, provided Lord Olaigal would cosiest to • slight alterations in its mediae. Their loedehipe adjourned at half-pest sia. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FILIDAY, FEB. 15. The SPEAKiI took W sliair at 4 Vekek. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. _ _ Post Omcs —By Mr. SPOONER, from plasm is Bork- Airs; Sir J. WALSH, from Robsenhire ; Sir R. H. INGLIS, from Surrey ; Mr. MACDONALD, from Balli smalee, against Sunday labour is the PatooMee. M*aueolla Btu..—By Su R. H. INGLIS, from the pr abytary of Kelso, and from various plums, against this MaN !inns' Moser (iItLAWD.)—By Mr. MONSELL. from Limerick, oomplaioing of tho =paid= of midistere 110nty. MALT Taa.—By Mr. SOTEERON, from Middlesex, for the repeal of tlia taa. KIDDERMINSTER ELECTION. 'rt. SPEAKER announced tbat he bad ronind a Intl- Um from certain electors of Kiddensiaeter, conplaniag of the ntara to the writ far the late election for that borough. BOARD OF TRADE RETURNS, Mr. DISRAELI task this opportusity of making an in quiry of the President a the Baud of Trade, of which he had Irina him node. yesterday ; it related to the return of the Board of Trade. He wanted eons mama= se to the cause of the delay in the publication ef those returns. At the present moment we were is the middle of the south of February, and the smoothly Maros he Desember had et yet been circulated. (Yes! from Mr. Labowebore.) Not the monthly returns; the right Ins. gentlemasi rain= to the general rftult for the rat. These were the two ports on which he should like to hear sumo satisfactory tine. Another point related to the publicatiem of the Board of Trade—he spoke of the tables relating to the revenue tad commerce of the country. The member had recently had as additional volume delivered to them, and at this mon.ent it would seem that they were is posses lion of the ',tarns from the Board of Trod' as to the Made and commerce. of the country, only up to the year 1847, this heir the year of our Lord 1850. He wished to know from the r&fi.t hen. gsrAlusian when did he imagine that ninths of this nature, of 40 distant a date se 1817, would be before the house, sad whether ministers had taken into ionsideration the means by which they might be carried to a more react period than 1867. Whilst they were favoured with the number of suainsooses again* the spirit shops in Dub lin ; whilst they were favoured with the returns of coffee shops ; he wasted to know whethu ministers were of opi. slob that it was more important that a eerie, of returns should be given of the number of Moth= in blenehester and otbet towas, whilst they were favoored with delays sad procr-stinations respecting commerce tad navigation. They should have some light thrown on the Board of Trade, sad the manner is which the returns of th e Board of Trad e had been prepared end published. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that, with the exception of the last quaint, the first two question related to the delay which the hon. gentleman supposed to leave taken place i the presentation of the monthly returns and the mums for the year. lle could assure the hon. gentleman that he wee under a misapprehension jibe thought there Tit a disi dalay in the returns of this year ma compared with re turns. He found that ever WWI the year I there had been but one year in which these returns had sot been presented later than the present year. These returns were laid on the table as the 11th of February, and every other year they were laid oa the table later than the 11th February, with the exception of 1842. They Weft forced to wait until they received Mae returns from the eiders., department,. The duty of the Board of Trade was to make this ap sad pressen them te the hem. This year, especially, the Chancellor or the Rulisiser and himself were mom amiess, eassideriai the cseseirte whirs were likely to ems bran to Mar, that r late delay is possible should take pare io the prenatal= of these =- counts, and he wine to the based ef =nom to tortielt them with infurmationos men as pessible. It was only yester day that the Raabe man= whisk been give. I. this return was received. He pe e d he bed emesseit the depeelassat over which he prodded of say delay. The se nests hod bees this yew es early is say year Mese 1136. The ices gentleman had shad why the mesa* railed Fortee's Talks may west to th e sa g a w 1847. This inienamica, addles bad bees presented to the Hew of Commons by the Beard of Trade, wee eleven me year mare is anew Mrs it sew wee. If my memo amid be Smiled e eseeletest with esseram, fns men emea s obteisiag assesses ed this deseription , he should be weds= them. He should be meet happy to reader the mere perfect then they ass were, end expe dite their prodeeties. "IMAM COMMUNICATION WITH AUSTRALIA. Mr. klanT7Wisf;ing t• si• vapors that • coitus% had Mss cateredintaMtworatMpurasesysntdtMNapa, wbe wore likely to awry Mew dna immuelsolisa with wkwl whetter way smalmastbai behasattred tow letweet the espy sad the ihnewheaL - - - - M. HAYTI/ said that I/ Mesabi eel sive • willawgar7 wet soma, it even ben ratalle env whimb he woe awry to eadr esa ba: an Bp lb bet sessisekillea with the al the ay be Eleleillir mamboed ken bin that au mews hat We ..k. bat tbah they were meter weeideleties. He Ai set keen, eve did be believe, thee say malesele bel yet bees eahwoi late. CROWN LANDS, NEW SOUTH WALES. Mr. SCOTT, abeam to a statemeat mamba ht the report front the Welt soolosiNee at the Nadi of Hess Swath Wales. ea WOWS leads, dated • , 1649, mid thet this report Mated that • gag sad hembrael MINN were seat at to New • la as enigma lair, is the awns of Irt report eampielai that not ony were they hat Me lead of las ) hal l lea the Immegertation allkse who he magma ship walnut her lea, d wee meet flame ad dlrpos The report also esm that SOK had basa expended at of the ettlealal 1=7. 1 r the- the Ai reeeMag Mae Taigas in :M u t they valuated that them aoseediags.)aight t behe 54 0. GREY said that he had at am the report. He was happy to mean the ben. gentleman that the statement esatahred fa sad ma aintraelt wee altogether *Whoa female tics. No parsons of that eiereeter had bma mat eat at the moue of •the colony. DEATH FROM WANT IN IRLIAND. Kr. P. SCROPB, is worse.. to the aresers' Ja ggiest& h Atlas% year la ballad, amain. la She regret of eM Pest Law Cmambiessub la tale vailialt of eleallt ham want were resirlek @Mad the lisentsey he Inked if the peer his sommheieweee did not flail In several IMIN that erica had hoes sesmissid by such an mina of neglect, ea the pmt aft volksles sew or hosed of gaardleas, es to reemasad Mope to be ham against them for the ofiledal elitist alb* *My. Sir W. SOMIATILL/I meld tot undertake at owe to mower the esseties. Mae wen may imams' of allayed dos* tom want. THE DANISH ABMISTICZ. Mr. DISRABLI MA ass meaume to imagist what would be the sashes is the gwesilia Ms toss alms Is pen s bat he world pat • gsseisa ie Os Roble lied, the bet mildew of the mown, t• whisk he bud he would distinelly reply. He hoped the noble lard Weld answer this question, was it the Daniel somersault width refused to eoatiane the &rah. tam ? Lord J. 11,II&SELL —The Dankit goverassest did aot refuse sometimes the armistice. AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT BILL. Mr. DIVETT asked when the house might taped the Australis Government bill to ho brought on. Lord J. RUSSELL mid it would be takes the first thing it Monday nest. ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION. • ]IrvHORSHAN.eid that having on a former evening given a nodes respecting the delalcaticas of the late secre tary se Ohs ecclesiastical coassaissisit, it hod been Aces =A to bias to move for ;eorese of the de/eiretiees w et the sewneissiest with whisk these ware . He begged, therefore, to Move for thews es an unopposed rotor& Agreed to. - DISTRESSED UNIONS (IRELAND). Os the modes of Lord Joss Rresart, the hewn Pleolved itself into sometime of the whole tome to take into as siderstion ferule reseladone respecting the sus of neeteey du to the orasolitiated fend by the distressed usions in Ireland. ----- Lord JOHN RUSSELL—The hoses will have heard maiden of the state of Inked from time to time during the last year to be aware that Hinges of the very greatest importenes have taken pleas Ice the cooditin of Shot wmatry. The stale of things was this. The man member of the laboWitelamse ia coal ny were ad essperfai by wages, Me IMO Wink cm the prods., of em pins al potato grad e end darns; a groat parties of no pm millered extreme amehetlml, while at tho sans time there was sake ounpelltha kr had, that ves beard from le sheds s re t i eyeer d wham and INMIONO eslYoi sad radiomen wee nisi apes as tine to Me, both and sine the mien to panicle ex- Mediae., mamma of dear sad condos la order to pat a stop is the urines whisk were so frequently committed. Now, without Marla' into any queen of the pale; that he beim adopted of late years, I may my to the bum that the faders et the potato mop MI NW Animawhisk hasconsequently taken pla e, hare o theemolmo peniseed Ammo +Web I do ass thick ass legidatiee gentian& (lieu, hear.) la those dilution o' Inlaid whisk wore Mai dinees4 sad those I. which there was the greatest assepolieles for lend, that eenspetidori has nearly mad, the deeke being rather to get rid of the lead which Meats wry he to hold. Then has been also WIIIMPaIIi migration, sad altogether the alteratioo that has taken pine has been se of the mese remarkable Wad. (Hear, liar.) The legislature has always to guide its 11110 mationly between two dangers : the one of allowires the people who have a no o loages their plots besmisg wage. f of potato teazigisai=" mew The o th er auger to avoided is th u :i of to. greet hennas upon Inland, lest all persons el shored be dieeooreged and the produce of the sot be raised in safficient quantities to sustain the inhabitants of the country. With respect to two or those mune@ which have ben represented as much dis trend, it is stated that although muclsof the land islua isnmesd, yet that there would be no great difliculty is getting lanames it, at a redaction of &boat 26 per cant. as the reset of her or live years beck. At the same time the are Wombs merle with regazd to the fisheries en various paces of the meet which are of a very eadefordcwy snare, sad show the readiness with which the people exert them. selves is the patent of this portinder breath of industry. Bet perhaps dr nom rem:WM cheap that has takes plass mos the posropties of parliament last year, is the very great dimirallen in the proem es the poor rates. (Rear, hear.) I me held is say hand an so count of the demos la that expenditure far the four last mutate, October, November, December and January, as compared with the lain periods in 1848 and 1849. The de crease was in October, 18,0001., ki November 40,0004 in December, 60,0001 , and in January the accounts of which botanist been cloud, 70,0001 , making a demean in four months of no less a sum than 186,0001. (Hear, hear.) The decrease is the number of persons receiving out-door relief is still more rein/kohl., tor on the 27th January, 1849, there were receiving out-door relief 524,284 panes, sedan the 26th January, 1850, only 118,940, bind a durum of 405,344. It is right to say at the same time 'bathers has been an inereem, although to no great extent, in the amount of indoor relief administered during the last-named period. I have various reports and pent, letter from inapecton of the poor and others, nspeetong the enact of this damns, and they all my that the decrease is spew, and in the camber of persons applying for relid, has been mainly caused by the cheapaess and plenty of provision daring the prevent season. (Loud ann.) I wish now to call W lineation of the hone to a comparison which is very re. markable of the expenditure of thirty union, which unions have bean generally taken by the conuniseionn as the mast distressed, sad to which the moot support has been given by ures of parliament during former years. The amount paid for in-door relief has rather increased, being 14,9824. in December, 1848, and 18,2061. is 1849; but the out-door re lief had decreased from 28.8881. in December, 1848, to 6,0481. la December, 1849, being a deers.., of 22,8201. The number of perms relieved, both is-door and oat-door, has diminished from 297,918 to 147,397. (Hear, hear.) This is, ceitainly, eio far satio factoey, as it shows that there is as improvement eves I. those district. which were consider, d the worst, and which many persona anidered would only go from bad to worse until they had reached a pitch of complete desolavices. In proceeding to consider this question I Amid now state that among the opinions that have been given by various per son is Ireland from whom we have received reports, there is name more prevalent than that the birdie= arising from W loans of former yeas fall so heavily on many of the unions of Ireland that although they might be able to bear the pressure aching from the relief of this poor they cannot at the same time meet the sums due in repay. meat of the loans. (Hear, hear.) I wiliest' what have been the loans made of late years foe the purposes of the Irish unions. In 1840, 122,5001. was sinned, of which 47,0001. was allowed to be deducted for mismanagement in the constructioa of the building, and 48,0001. was repaid, leaving a sum of 1,130,0001. yet unpaid The next public debt of this kind was for labour works in the eprlag of 1846. The sem of 476,0001. was advanced, which half, 238,0001, was a free :grant, and the other a loan, to be repaid in twenty half ywly lastabants with interest at five per cent. In the summer of 1848 anther act was pared and in the winter 4,860,0001. was advanced. Of that, 2,425,0001. was remitted, and the rest inverted into twenty half-yearly payntenta, in cluding interest at 31. hs. per cent, In the summer of 1847 &neater sum was advanced. under the tem porary relief act, commonly callet Burgoyne's Act, of which 953,0001. was required to be repaid, the remainder being • free grant. Oa this loan no intend was charged. By ea act paten in August of last year an addi tional sum was authorised for the haildiog of workhouses of 80,0001., which, with 40,0001. advanced under the original act, makes 100,0001. applied to the building of nth houses. The sums, thanker, now due from Inland to the consolidated fund are, first, 1,130,0001.; second, the addt tional loan of 100,0001. The amount remaining unpaid of the relief works under 9 Viet, s. 4, is 158,0001. ; and ander 9 Viet., e. 7, 2.306,0001. Other loans under the Temporary Belief Act, 790,0001., asking altogether 4,483,0001. There was a proposal made with respect to one of these eats, which was beaded to by parliament, width enabled the Tresenn to • certain extent to extend the pay meat over a period of 20 ran with interest, ea application from the different empties to whom the loons had been made, and at the same time power was givenof so advancing the time of payment as to make it WNW men quickly when the unions were least embarrassed. Six cemustiee appiied to have the time prolonged, and three to have the time shartend, the lath r beiog cases in which the advance had bees of small meant. Nolen' propene, Was; the principle of that act, to extend still further the time for repayment. We propose to consolidate, whoa desirable, all t 0... various payments, and to allow a period, when It is necessary, of 40 years lot their liquidation. But In so doing I should state, with Mud _ to th e former lose, one thing as regarded th e time allowed. The eases we celled in by the Treasury in pro endernto um rases. For instance, if the poor rate woe 65., there WM so extension of time granted by it Treasury ; when it was above be., 10 years wen granted ease ila, 16 years; and above 10, , 20 years were granted p es: is tyreen. Wei proems to take the was general .1 none varying Its application wording to the in length of time. The is another einowowlaoso I mats nestles, namely, that while some of OWN lens bear tannest at • dud amount of 1 pa mat there are Mims wblob bear no iaterillt. We prop. ee to take the liabilities nut as they are, to continue asking irtterst whoa provided by act of pa - lama; and te omit it where at premed so Murat is Munn. The orismalttes will be avow that in • ensidetable portion of honed these bar then have been slated to be so large that then has been a difficulty to Omni& he , he straw espouses of the poor rata. But then are some mien is fir p~g.as or , workhouse aseennale• the, and , t• ties pried* of has pose•law, tete, - :nag Asa Min eltallWeire .. ___ I mete Own tint the annual of debt Innen* es esatleneve;nl4. Among the yens ef Wash, tureisbed applies 0 1 feed mil den. big le the weekbente% mad abet ban nee es this nesind mans el their dens swiag le the elele:ef the Asa To pone sass all the of Mee wigell• houses have bast seised, at.d it bee been with Inn eft, sad eidedy *rough the laterlerease et prlvatelgstrdo, this then ants have beset redesand, the Wale esnelalleg to pay mo les ekes in per Nat kr dee lad re. Is me leas then tan have then been gad stem sens of ban bean dripped la simile, swam. • New M sprain us Mat awe 'es are meanly ovens to thi doennsloneen ef the liaise, sal the great iambs? people like had tweaked Win la knew yeses, end Ow V the widen esuld be Mined ken than ftmess they wadi be ttbM to bogie algal, end tribal le stogi ea latt sane Ileaseek admiehloallea ol oosa =r. k dr gonna of the Irish peer law ettim Power, mew la Oils cos try. He bee =rls7,l Mee be is of epistles that several be able to like er It up tenparery yak betters, and that by the application of the weekbeen Met, they world be able very much to Natal* ea= were it met for the debt erMek it lunging ever whit* reeler. aunties ingsseible. Bash being the Ole *ink it advisable to propose se the hone that the whale el Ike 416 M 4,461,1101. be consolidated, aid be, as I have 'god K.M meth mat& by instalments over • period of forty yens, Wilk or without Mauna es they_ nay be re. Cl:6lat prom& Al= le annens which I waived I=d the panel of Ike gsse law Wan wen dindukhed beans Isglneilies amil lkswatise by me leas • , sum titan 100,0001., bah the dieloneed leblek are 1 about thirty is maker, ken mot been able le make say such effort. At the sad of December the amenat they hod se ply us about 270; bat then are Ober sun doe Inn the electoral Ilise who have emened .dense diem lbe general rase die anat. The peer law sonnlo. sin= an of opines this ifthey nen dens null be dle• deep& an only wend be plena a tar beim *kin ee fang ma the yaks, ha t that le scans arse It wadi melds Ihe pen law ccauniesiemen le min MemeMekleme la essiedinse with the report of Me Mr=l fiend 71. w pr i gnallbat part w of the be ould to be Abend be paid la - relief of WNW liabilities, so lIM kW n th they may be able to carry Ike animmglated changes Lord J. RUSSELL—The ma we pewee to advance era 270,0004 to liquidate the able of the talus, and 30,0001. more, maing the whale amount at be debt 4,783,0001. I should now wish testate what has bees done with regard to the rat•-ia-aid, wida was maims* bv Par - Unbind last year for thems d ...flag innediete dis- tress. A sun of 260,000i. per was shied to lei admen to be repaid out of the proceeds cl the rate, sad it was to the relief of urgent distress in June i f =d August, 1849. Of that sum, 150,0001. has be.. rb paW by the sakes, and banded over to the paymaster of aid' services in Ireland. There is • further sum in band which the treasury has not yet ordered to be entered se part of the repayment, sad it is to be considered that there will be some required for purposes which appear to us to come y within the provisions of the rats in aid. The first I re Piri ementiosed—namely, the enabling guardians of the Merest anions to support the poor who are receiving relief from the present unions during the transition, and until the sew unless and electoral division are rated. We likewise think it would be advisable to apply part of this um to the Ambition of temporary workhouses to enable the law to be earned Idly into effect. And I matt now take the oppor t:nali of stating say opinion, se I have stated it on other o s, but nowNting more strongly confirmed is it than ever, that by keeping strictly to the workhouse test you have the best snurity against maladmiMtratka of the pier law. (Hear.) The proposals, therefore, that 1 have to make to the house are is the first place that the gm , nerd sums which have been advanced to Ireland, beginning with the loans of 1859, going on through those of '46 sad '47, and the subsequent years, should be con 'send into eonsolidated annuities payable with W- I terest or without as pronovaly arranged, such pay ments to be estanded over a period of forty yews. l My next proposition is that 300,0001. should be advanced, te enable the board of guardians, under the direction of the war law semmindems, to pay off the sans due for debts ~.tasted for hod and clothing for the poor during the rlirpressare. (Hear, hear.) I feel I should not be led la asking this proposition if I wero not of °pinks that, peat and difficult as the transition is of which I have Vglitthe preliminary &nervations I have addressed to Is hense--great as have been the sufferings of the Irish people is past yeas—then is now a prospect of Ireland, if those burdens are not unduly placed epos her, being able to rem/en from the great dowsed= she has bees suffering, and to eater upon • new social career, loading on to pro.- perky. (Hear, hear) There has been hitherto neither that amezion between the landlord and tenant, nor between the tenant and the labours:, which we are accus tomed to see is civilised oouatries--there have not bean those advances made by the landlords for farm buil • other outlays which the landed gentry in and Soo nsc r i laa an are accustomed to make in compliance wit thole arrangements with their tenants, nor has there bola that regular payment of wages for labour by the (amen to the labouring nen, which ought to be the anon source of their subsistence. (Hear, hear.) On the cow teary, in the relations of the various classes in Ireland, everything has been disorder and disorganisation. Hem we read of thou dreadful crimes in connection wilts the I ompation of land, and those divisions between the different dames of society, which seem to be beyond the power of legislation to remedy. (Chun.) Bat that which is net for us to dispose of, ma be disposed of by a higher pewee —(hear, hear) ;—end I do believe that we are approaching a period when society in Ireland can be constituted in a different manner than it has been haretolore—a period when we may look to a better state of society is that country, and when the higher dames tad the poor may work is harmony together for the improvement of a fertile country, inhabited by a noble and •generous people. (Loud cheers The formal resolutions were then put from the chair aad to, sod on the question that the chairman do report to the home, Mr. F. FRENCH, who was very imperfectly heard, in coasequenee of the bur of conversation which communed in all parts of the house when he rose, and continued' uattl the end of his speech, wee understood to mmplain that the home was sailed to the consideration of this subject in the &boom* of that full information which ministen might have gives. He denied that the proposition of ministers could be regarded as a liberal one, end contended that to make the poor•law work well they must reestablish the workhouse teat, and subdivide the electoral divisions into smaller and more ma nageable districts. (Hear, boar.) 31ONSELL, as representiag one of the most dis tressed district, in Ireland, felt it only an act of justice I. say that in introducing this measure ministers had taken what he regarded as the first step towards the improve ment of the country. (lieu, hear.) - - Agar hw words from the Earl of AIt:NDLL and SURLILY and COL BIPTKOar, Mr. P. BEBOP& said he looked upin the measure as a great indulgence to these unions which were indebted in large auras of money and were unable to pay. (Hear.) But the people of England had some interest in the matter, and if the time for the repayment of these loan which amounted to nearly 6,000,0001. were extended over forty instead of twenty years, they bad a right to know that the poer law should for the future be as fairly carried out in Ireland as it was in England. At present there were very great complaints of the burden of the poor rates in Ireland, but the noble lord had told the house that during the last year of distress the number of paupers amounted in that country only to 1 in 27 of the population, while in England it was 1 in 16, therefore I. pr portion to the population the pres sure was greater in England than in Ireland. He much feared that the Ist* reduction in the number of persons re lieved and in the amount of poor rate levied referred to by the noble lord erase from a denial of relief rather than from any actual diminution in the amount of pauperism. I n some unions, be was informed 10,000 or 12,000 persona had been struck off the relief list, and persons who had been refused re lief out of doors, on applying to be received, Sato the workhouse had been denied and sent home a distance in some come of eighteen or twenty miles, without food or essisteses of any kind. In Kllnsh, out-door relief had been stopped, and the food from within the workhouse was not wording to the dietary sanctioned by the oommindoners bat consisted principally of turnips. the eett.squenCle of welch was that dysentery had set in, and the deaths had increased in the six weeks Febessry 2nd. tram 16 to 140. He bad received sesessesiaaease aldose se to the insuillsieney of the diet, end the 11116 sad demoralisation in which the paupers is the workhouses were subject to. Mr. CLEMENTS eoesidered one of the great difficulties in the western unions some from the large amount of limi ness ..trusted to the several boards of guardians. Lord C. HAMILTON celled upon the house to recollect that there were lyre trees of land in Ireland lying in a state of non-cultivation, owing to the heavy pressure of arrears of rates, and that in conseqaence of this state of things a higher proportion of rates had to be levied epos Ike leads which were under cultivation. He suggested that the rates on the unfilled land should be treated in a similar manner to those on the tilled, and made repsyable like the union rates. because, by such a mode of procedure, the tomer would he brought into a state of calibration. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY &diked whether ft was the inten tion of the noble lord et the heed of the aoyernswint to throw the whole of the 300,0001. present ulnae., as well as t►e 4,483,0001. old debts, molds( i ell 4,783,0001., into eossoU dated enmities 1 Mr. GRATTAN laid he was of opinion that Ireland bad been born—(a latighj—fee a better state of Wogs than that of bring beggar, sad that Providenoe should M the recipient of aim. Bne bad Rota fine climate, sa excellent soil, a hardy people, the Suit harbours la dee world, sad ►onesty in dealing, sad morality at heroin. And, yet, with all them benefits and blaming, weaved upea her, she was now at the kwiff•whit. Tie Ib mica the ildlie%dl and spinets* his • Sae alstseesSlS. Let Mil the Mom *mined beednee the sigma of Intend MI 30 :1• 1 94 6 w il e. it WM , sea her wily way red ; he, fee Mt% never submit le* contiamassi mob a but • of p etea mi t Wags. The Ad wee. Ireland 01 sot swat money—Qmighter t ij she Mt require geld, d landlords aid lenehts of s iL i e si z e try dir i reit duty. Re saw nothing eeplexity aid distress. Ireland was es she had ever bees. the great ddilenlty bt the way of Roglialtstatesmen. He did not sus how they men Piet out el it. Be thought t might have. got oat et It by norm rade& bee It. (Roan of laughter.) It had bea isimalso.did Irby di* Irish memben were so And of prolestim. The answer was, became the Irish had nothing to protest. (Ceetioatd 'suchen ) That was the realm they were all protectionfirs now. Protest, indeed! Rod they acted, as Sheridan would have bad Min e aM, they might have bad something to pro- teat, for his words WM. that they ought to hay. waded knot deep in blood. But as for the dirty *Win that was sow offored—(lsuctitter)—or the barrel of wheat, or oats, he would never take it. TM fres traders might rest assured that be would never go foe the pound of tee or eager now going to be doled oat. (Continued laughter.) Had the Irish held their pianos, as Wellington did at Torres Ifei. des, they would have had much to protect. Enema wanted men like Chatham, Barks, and Fox at present, sad sash men tiers were if the English intellect and am dwarfed of late years ; she wanted those whe would bind Ireland to her with an 'demands. chain, and give the sister country liberty, and life, and action. He believed that Ragland could not stead the shocks abs might matte from other countries U she had Irehuid like • log amend her neck; and therefore it was high time to re. move the log, and to legislate is • spirit of justice towards the country. Viicoant BERNARD expressed his thanks to the noble lord for the 11141‘11117111 he bad that night proposed. It would M • boot to Ireland, and that boon would be greedy in greased by the till, jot which it had been brought forward, ter it would enable parties in the sister country to know how they stood, and enable them to cultivate the soil better thee they bad done in former year'. The einem now proposed would infuse fresh envois into all delete of the people, and the best results might be expected 0 Idirw. (Hsu, hear.) . _ Mr. BRIGHT wished to make one or two observations before the debate on this subject was disposed of. He thought the speech made by the noble lord to some extent satisfactory, inasmuch se it showed, what he (Mr. Bright) believed to be the fact, that in 191310 parts of Ireland there was some improvement visible from the disastrous events of the last three or four years. He could comprehend the kind of claim which hon. members thought they bad for the 300,0001., to pay off the debts contracted by en tail of the most distressed unions, for he bad received letters from those unions, from which it appeared that the very furniture belonging to the union houses bed been put up for sale by the creditors ' and the gaudier. had been pat to the utmost extremity as to bow they were to keep the people alive front one day to smother. (Hear.) But there appeared to be this point of weakness is the noble lord's ease. He (Mr. Bright) did not think the noble lord had sufficiently explained to the house how there hap pened to be a considerable sneer of rates in many of the most distressed unions. The hones could easily understand how it would be difficult, nader the circumstances, to collect from many of the ratepayers; but when he wee in Ireland some three or four months ago he took the trouble to make certain inquiries, in two of the unions at least, and he found that in those unions the greater proportion of the money which was in lunar of the rats owing to the guardians, was owing, not 4 the occupiers, but by the owners, of land in those unions. He learned that in one anion more than half the magistrates were defaulters in respect of the poor . rats (" Name.") Now, he took it for granted that the magestrutee were themselves owners of land. Thee he found that both the members for the county were defaulter in the payment of their poor rate. (" Name.") He was told, on what he believed to be good authority, that one member of the county had made over to one of his relatives, he believed to his mother, the chattels which were in his house, so that the poor law guardians could net take them for the rates. He found that another gentleman, a mediate, who had a large house and a park, bad no chattel property, for it bad recently been sold by auction and bought in by one of his brothers. He found that another gentleman—a magis trate, and a leading man in the union—bed transferred his stock to his son, and that his sheep had his son's brand on them ; that they summoned him for the poor rate and that the magistrates dismissed the case, and that • representation bad been made to the castle, but no notice had been taken of it. Is the Carden, the Bain:nob* and the Castle bar unions, he believed the greatest portion of the arrears was due from the owners of the lead, and not from the occupiers. If that were the case, the noble lord ought to have taken into c sn sideration that these cases had been referred to the authori ties at the Clads in Dublin • and he now found from the best authority that after the se defaulters among the resists. trsey bad been reported to the Castle, there bad been no adequate notice taken of these complaints. New, he was not there to raise an objection to the advance of the 300,9001. They might see it again, or they might net. It it were the last of these grants, they would be exceedingly glad. The noble lord called it an " advance," though perhaps it looked more like a gift. But be did object to a system under which the poor-law autheritim were not armed with sufficient powers to obtain the rats from the men who owned the land, who had In many places exterminated the people, and who, after all the experience they had bad, refused to offer their lends to parties who would be willing to take them on reasonable terms. (" Oh.") He did not think the noble lord was doing right is taking from the taus of this country to make up for the arrears of such men; but he thought that he ought to give to the poorlaw authorities power to seize the land. Mr. H. HERBERT had listened with some attention to the speech of the hon. gentleman, and could not congratulate him in the words of the poet, that he had Returned from hie finished tour, Grown ten times wiser than before." part it Occurred to him that the hon. gentleman was only saggesting what had been thought of and written about at lout 20 yeah ago. It teleran' to the other charges, he was not there to palliate or excuse the conduct of those individuals who had been guilty of that which had been imputed to them ; but he called upon the house to support him in the claim he made that the bon. gentle man should be called on to give the names of the accused. and the authority on which he accused them He said, if he did not give up that authority, he stignstiard the at• tech ell a calumny on the Irish landlords, and the meet eawardly of ail cilumnise, an anonymous calumny. pet. DUNNE said he had attended for some years to the adatinistratioa of the poor law in Ireland, sad he was aware, as chairman of a board of guardians, of the difficulty of ()al lowing rates, and he could safely say that he had not se. partiality to any one elms. There was a clam from whom it was difficult to collect rates in Ireland—the absentee.. The noble li.rd astonished him by talking of the diminution of expenditure in Ireland. The other night he asserted that the expense was greater in the year 1849 than in any pre vious y. at. The noble lord (Arrested him but he thoueht him wrong. The official year ended on the 10th Sept., 1849, and be would answer for it that the expense wee beyond that of 1848 or 1847, or any previous year. Since September there had been a reduction. Sir W. SOMERVILLE observed that the honourable member for Manchester had fallen into what was not an uncommon error; he considered that what was really uncollected rate was arrears. Now, it was not considered that uncollected rata was an err: sr. All the retinas went to show that in Ireland the collection was exneuingly clan, and the larger portion of the arrears was due from the ins I mediate lesson, because there were no effective means of proceeding agaiast thew The whole rate in that country amounted to something man than mesa millions of money, and of that seven million Were had been actually collects d and lodged in the treasurer's hands, 96 per cent. (Hear, hear.) That was really • meet remarkable feet, and he believed he was correct in stating that there was no rate in England which was colleeted so closely. His honourable friend the member for the twenty of Limerick had alluded to the natiasts entered into with the Newcastle union. Some correspondence had taken on that subject with the Poor Law Commissioners, tut he denied altogether that the Poor Law Commissioners were answerable. They had no power to interfere. He quite admitted that the question of these contracts wee one that required • great deal of care and consideration, but at the same time In did not think that under the caretuastances say blame was attached to the commission4n in that matter. This propos ition seemed to have been received with great favour the gentlemen connected with Ireland, and, indeed, he si ght say by most of the gentlemen who had addressed the house. They seemed to have arrived at • state of things when, at all events, some hope was held out, and them was • fair prospect that they had seen the wont of that unfortunate trouble through which Inland had passed. It was true, se his hoar. and !reliant friend had stated, that the financial year of 1849 wan more expensive than the financial year of 1848, but time that time • better state of things had arise*, and the diminution In the expendi are since September, 1849, had been marked. In last January the saving, as compared with January last year, was, he thought, 70,0001. Ilia noble friend had stated that the in crease in the nantben had been ceased by the mel adminis tration of the law. He did not think that wis so ; but every hatpin , weak be nab. He firmly believed that if the home would semelien Ms shame for the purpose of relieving the more altllllllll4 lOW/ from that state of debt which was crippling their eareinisee, they would be doing more to help them than they could by any other seem, and he was not without hope the times was not distant when they would be sidr.supportiag, and AM a more prosperous state of things is Ireland would prevent the necessity of the.. advances. (Hear, hear.) . . . Mr. MONSELL, as to tM alhlllositi sada by the right hon. baronet, that the temihmiesen were not responsible fur the contras% lagilpd Si lOU We attention to the tact that LAN, was pseud at the doe, itiossiso ifolooseg y loppeolse thoe. caught • full and sadefealcoy ly the Iwo main fee Illsoabgene, essres a l lia l:ai r I in he sad arnshiwg reply he bad bud upon Be Intstageho MIL gentleman would also Mlubia ON•• AM ton of two or the*, aot qualify aa man, however able be la \ Of is the pantie y &of a.phHosoplioal Wong. might 4ir W. .4. BON. g lad. that the Ma member for Yeembeater La. made the Meager be bad, become therad been oast with so complete as amwer by the b authority in that home. It had brought Vas. shooing glossiest OM Ireland tad p a id N par not ker peer taste, Is the wies of lan snazamplad diansal. He odd answer It. as the Mail man of a board of guardians, that in bis mama no favour or alkalies was shown to either hadlaeda Of magistrates, of say other wow ; and ha believed that Me Hest goon of the rate were generally the meghlmen =CND inied pro. piston. He holland if the Imo gentleman hod /ahem the wosWe to inales the mass sown wand have Omm with regard bluest, V sot all Ike mime ia Inns& He had Nam* lima It his unpleasant duty in that louse to WM MN* gosyseitiens mak by her Mneety's WWI regard to the paor law ia Ireleed. E l ZeTla i d the goveenaent entertained their moat inten tions and had spread the burden over a number of lean. He congratulated Ireland and the government on this return to joint, and hayed tiny would follow it up by measures in the same spilt. He mild not entirely agree with the noble lord that :the pointy of Ireland was rapidly and visibly dietinhiling. In his union there bad bees sa ionises of 900 mums in Am (menthe. Outdoor relief had been ems plainly done away with, he wan happy to say; but the whole number receiving lodeer relief was 2,700. the p— asta that Mr. Sir W. SOBIERVIIIE said, that in 'mentioning the pro. portion of rates collected is Ireland, be had is wane re spects overstated the ease, sad in others undentated it. Ho had said that 96 per esat. of the idols rates bad been col looted since the poor law tame into operation, thereby Nad ia; the hcuse to understand that four per cent. had been lest. That was not so; foe he ought to have de ducted a portion of the rate now in nouns of col !scion. The real state of the case was *le: Of the rates made previous to the last rare, there had been 91 per cent., collected and lodged; the remaining six per cent. was not lad, bat four per cent. of it had been carried as arrears into the last rate. (Hear, hear.) Of the entire collection since the law had been in force, only two per cent., had been declared irreclaimable. (Hear, hear.) Thrrefore, though he 'sight have overstated the case owe way, be had rather ondentated it is the other. That was the real state of things, and it fully bore out the inference hi had draws. (Hear, bear.) Mr. BRIGHT said the committee would see at once that the statement of the tight hon. baronet had nothing on earth to do with the statement he had made. Everybody throughout Ireland knew, that to speak of Ireland on the whole, was an entirely different thing from speaking of the anions, about which he had given the house in formation. Taking the whole of Ireland, the rate would be found to be low ; and were he to argue, as some honourable gentlemen had been arguing, he might say that the government had very smell cause indeed to come to the house for en ad of 300,0001. or 600,0001. The whole rate throughout Ireland was not very heavy, less probably than the avenge of rates in many. pingo( this country. (Hear.) That afforded no ground whatever for coming to this house for grants. Leaving that out of the question, he OUZO to the particular unions. There were some in which he could not say how large the arrears were, but the largest portion of those arrears was due from the owners of land. (" Name.") He bad named three unions, with respect to two of which he was certain, and he believed the case was the same in the third —Clffdse, Ballinrobe, and Cutleber. The reason why he abstained from naming individuals was, he behoved there were persons in that list to whom it could not be Imputed as anything blameable that their rates were not paid, for such had been the embarrassments of property in past times, and such the state of the law, that they bad no funds at their disposal. But that there were such oases I he was prepared to show. He had taken the par. titulars from the books of the anion; he had them from the highest poorlaw authorities in the union ; and he was as confident as any one could be, on the best evidence, that what he had stated was correct. He should not give the names of those gentlemen to the house. (Hear, hear.) He was quite certain he was pursuing the right course in doing so. He was oily pointing out a fact or a series of facts to the government, in order that their attention might be drawn thereto. He had no wish to make a great public matter like that a ground of personal attack, or to create El feeling amongst men, some of whom perhaps might be much more to be pitied than blamed in this matter. (Hear.) - - - - Lord NAAS said the lion. gentleman had stated that cer tain proprietors were using all the means in their power to evade We payment of rates, and that amongst them was one member of the house. Was it a proper course to refuse the names of those persons, in order that • vindication might be made? At lent, he ought to name the union, in order that some member might move for an inquiry. He had said that Ireland was taxed to the poor rate an a less degree, on the Re, than Eogland. Mr. TRELAWNY said that whatever might be the pressure of the poor law system here, this country had had to pay the whole of its own burthens, and onsehalf of those of Ireland. (Hear, hear.) Sir H. W. BARHON.—No, no; the four millions is a loan from the Excheqser. Mr. THELAWNY said that a loan to Ireland was in reality a gift. (Laughter.) _ _ _ Mr. M'CULLAGH thought that hon. gentlemen oppo site had unnecatarily identified themselves with the charge made by the hon. member for Manchester. For one he felt grateful for the proposition now made by ministers, and must protest rgainst the insinuation of the hon. member for Taviatock (Mr. Trslawny), that every loan to Ireland was a loss to England. Nobody could imagine that the bon. member for Manchester meant to make a sweeping cherge against the whole of the landed proprietors of Ireland. (Hear, hear 1 The rateable property in that country was • little under 13 millions,and the total chargethereon for the poor rate fur each of the last two years was about 2a. 6d. in the pound. Everyone knew this was greater than the ge in England. (Hear.) If the Irish people showed their willingnete thus to assess themselves, not only for the current expense of the poor, but for the repayment of advances, it wu not fair to charge them with indisposition to repay the loans. It was most ungenerous and unfair to be continually repeating this charge. (Hear, hear.) Mr. H. HERBERT thought if the charge of the hon. member for Manchester was true, the parties who were guilty ought to be shown up and stigmatised. Mr. BADLEIR said the bon. member for Manchester had left one point in considerable doubt, probably through not reading the last amendment of the Irish poor law. Prior to the act of last session, the power of guardians to recover sneer. of rates had been vary imperfect In the last session of parliament a summary power was given for the recovery of poor rat,' from the owners of land in Ireland, so that they were now the firs*. charge span the soil. Mr. BRIGHT Paid that the clause of the act, whizb defined what the law was with respect to the recovery of the rates, agreed with the statement which he had first m a d., and with the information he had received from the pJ.irlaw authorities in Ireland (the honourable gentleman here read the 17th and 18th claos,s of the 14th and 13:h Victoria, ch. 104)'; the authorities to whom he referred described the process of law to he exec Jingly tedious. In one of the unions to which he alluded it wee stated to him by the vice-guardians that there was extreme ddfieulty, in consequence of the tardy operation of the law, in obtaining the payment of the rates, although they did their best to collect them. Therefore it -as that he said there ought to be a more rapid mode of recovery if the g ivernment came to that house to aik for advances. (Hear, hear.) Mr. MUNTZ acknowledged the reasonableness of Irish members, who were surrounded with so much destitution at home, in supporting the views of her Maj.sty's government But there were other parties to be consulted, the industrious people of England. (Hear.) They had a right to ask bow long this state of things was to continue ? Whether the go vernment was to come year after year to demand grin** of money for Ireland without ever informing them what was the matter with that country ? Was the fam ne never to end ? Were the government to hang their cost on that peg always ? (" Hsu, hear," and a laugh.) He told them last session that the government would come to ask for another grant. Was there any man so credulous as to believe:that that money would be repaid ? (Hese, hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL said he did not think the speech which the bon. gentleman bad just delivered had suffered much from that delicacy which he stated he Mt when epi ek ing of Ireland. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) The hon. gentleman seemed not to have been present when he made his statement, because if he had, he would have learned the reasons why he proposed this advance. The hon. gentleman called it a grant, because he wid no one would believe that it would be repaid. They had voted last year a BUlllot *250,0001. fur the relief of Ireland, and they were told that the method by which it was to be repaid is obnoxious to the people of the north who thought it unjust, and that its injustice would create difficulties to the r.psyment. Well, but 160,0001 of that sum had been repaid within six months. (Hear.) That did not show any very extreme difficulty in obtaining repayments from Ireland. (Hear, bear.) With regard to the residue, he believed it would be repaid in a short time. (Hear, hear) He hoped the hon, member for Tavistock would not divide the house at that stage, because, as it would be necessary to put the proposition in the shape of a biH, the hon. gentlemen and others who objected to it would have ample opportunity of opposing it. He believed, however, that it w.u.d meet with the sanction of the house, because the print would be justified he the nature of the circumstances which called it forth. (Hear, hear.) After a few words from Col. SIBTIIOIP, Mr. K. O'CONNBLL said, in =ewer to the question@ at t►e how member for Birmingham, what has been, what is, and what will be the matter with Ireland, that Ireland was in her present oondition because the legialatiou of Ireland had been fur a elu•, then for a sect, and then 4aitt for • else It was because they had legislated for Ireland in that home in perfect ignorance of her wants. (Hear ) The resolutions were then rep-mad, and the house resumed. PARTY PROCESSIONS (IRELAND) BILL. This bill was a read a wood time, and ordered to be eom• emitted on Monday. AUSTRALIAN CQLONIES GOVERNMENT BILL. The second reading of this bill was postponed till Monday. COURT OF CHANCERY (IRELAND) BILL. Oa the motion that tlus bill be read a second time, Mr. RO CNDELL PALEMEcerose standing or misrepresentation which had here couple not by any member of that Muse but elsewhere of the remarks which had lotion from his hon. and learned friend the reenter for Coventry (Mr. Turner) the other ev en i ng , on the subject of this bill. It wee well known that his hon. and learned Wend was aaxious for the reform of the abuses which had crept Into the Court of Chancery, and If an impression had been produced an themind of any person that his hon. and learned friend was desirous of seeing the present state of things continue, it wee erroneous and unfounded. Kr. J.BTUART said that the object of this hill wu to remodel the course of pretties in the Court of Chancery i ll Ireland. He di.l not think there were at that moment four In the house who knew much on the subject. The divkleal who presided over the Court of Chancery in Ire land, whe held his cake ea the responsibility on which all the great officer, of the state held their offices, was, he pre. soured, answerable for the course of practice applicable in his court; and if any abuse ealsted in his court he was an swerable for them, becalse he believed he had full power to rectify them. There was no attempt to show that they could not be reformed by him ; and if that were so, why should that house be called on to in taken with the details of his court ? It he only found two persons to support him, he wou.d divide the hoses on this measure. Why is not this nee. sues to be applied to Boghuut ? Because they had in this country • learned judge presiding over the Court of Chancery, to whom, however much he (Mr. S•uart) might differ from him in points, he would say that the public owed a deep debt of gratitude (Ur the great patience, the talents, learning, and dignity with which he discharged his high functions. (Hear, heir ) He wished to know why this bill was necessary for Ire land ? They had been legislating for Ireland, ant for the landed proprietary of Ireland, for many yeah without etc. (MC (Hear hear.) Year after ye ar t h e y h a d bi lls laid nu the table of that house complaining, and most justly, of the are Tof the Irish Court of Chancery, by way of 'annoy. rag they in the last session enacted the Eecumb. red Estates Bill. (Hear, hear.) What he wished to adorn to was, that hut year they appointed three commissioners to preside over a court in which were to be disposed of the Irish encumbered estates, though by right that duty st otnd have devolved en the Irish Lied Chancellor. (Heir, beer.) He (Hr. Stuart) had not the honour of knowing the Lord Chancellor of Ireland ; Indeed, he was nuacquoin•ed with his name—(laughter)—but this he did know, that the trine Lord Chancellor must be one•of the most fortune. o f men, inasmuch as be bad succeeded in inducing the leg,,; e . tore to appoint three eoramissioners--whows salaries wer e to be derived from the pockets of English , and Irish tuison—t o perform the duty, which he is chancellor was hound to perform. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) He dtti24 naniction on that Point. They had encumbered estates in England as well as in Ireland, and which were sold, without complaint, by the Lord Chancellor of England, who dis charged all the duties incidental to his byei elle., without the estraneous assistance of commissioners. (Hear, hear.) But in the case of the Lord Chancellor for Ireland, the cams was otherwise, and he called on any gentleman in that house, who might he honoured anus the ac quaintance of that high functionaty, to grt u p en d defend him, and show to him (Mr. Bann) that he was in error, when he would most willingly retract. (Hear, hear.) Ile called on some gentleman to rise in his place, and in terms calculated to sotto, the common sense of the large portion of that house, to show why the duties im posed on that Irish Chancellor were executed by commit sioners instead of by himself. (Hear, hear.) lie sow the hon. and learned SolicitonGeneral for Ireland in his place, who, he thought, should have introduced the Kin n , . measure. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL—I was not a mim . ter the house when it was introdaced. Mr. STUART—WeII, the hon. and learned gtatle man was there when the bill was moved for mewl reeding, and he should have pointed out the horrid abuses com plained of under the Court of Chancery in Ireland, lie (Mr. Stuart) challenged any gentleman in that hoes, lay or profeseiocal, to describe the nature cf any abuse to be remedied by the present bill that the Irish Lord Chancellor had not already the power to remedy. (Hear, bear.) It had been said in de fence of the bill that the Court of Chancery in Ireland list year had an immense accumulation of landed property to deal with, and which, for the greater part, was in arse hand. of receivers. Now he wished to know who had authority over these receivers, and was bound to see that they did their duty ? (Heer, bier.) The great scope of the bill was to alter the mode of pleading in Chancery by bill and answer to pleading by petition. Now, he did n believe that the bill was prepartd by his hon. sod learned fritnd the Solicitor-General for England; yet he would call OS him to favour the house with his Motion of chancery practice in Ireland, and the necessity that existed there fur pleading by petition, instead of by bill and answer. (Hear, hear.) C hat mode of plead ing had been tried before, by • highly lemntd judge, and had been found, as a general measure, t t have who.ly failed. The present Solicitor. General vr.ultl recollect that he and himself had to consider a porti m cf the aft intro duced into the house by the late d Sir Samuel Rimilly, and which act bad a limited, not a genteel, operation. It was contended that the present measure wculd have the effect of expediting justice, its well u cheapening it also. If inch were the case, he (Mr. Stuart) would be found supporting it; but such a pupposi-ion sac fallatoas. It did not consist with his (Mr. Stuart' notion of diminishing expense and expediting j.. tics to adopt any sun course as the present. And as r_- garded Ireland in particular, he did not see bow it could hope to succeed; as, by its adoption. Irish gentlemen woul bee:potting themselves to courses of litigation, which, con ducted by discreditable practitioners, would in a few years completely eat up their properties. (Hear, later.) In con clusion, he begged to move that the bill be re►d a second time that day six months. Lord J. MANNERS seconded the amendment. Mr. HBADLAM denied that the Lord Cherie. nor hod the power to do anything empowered to be done by this bill, and contended that the bill contained within it the germ of that which would render the Court of Chancery suits ble to the wants of the country, and more in keeping with the •p.rit of the age. (Rear, hear.) Mr. KEOGH did not think it very courteous of the ton. member for Newark to say that there were then in the house only four persons who understood this querion, par• titularly as he (Mr. Keogh) observed the At:orcry , General for England, the Solicitor-General for Ireland, t hon. and learned members for Coventry, Plymouth, and Southampton, and the hon. and learned member for Newark himself in their places. The learned gentleman had found tauit with him (Mr. diem ,h) and others , for having supported in the last session the Encumbered Estates (Ireland) Bill. He (Mr. Keogh) believed that that bill had been already pro ductive of benefit, and he did not regret the course he had takeu respecting it. (Hear, hear.) The remark/ of the honourable and learned gentleman in reference to th't bill only showed how ignorant he was of its operations. The honourable and learned gen. teem asked, why did not the Chancellor of Ire land reform his own court 1 although he confessed him self ignorant of that learned personage's n me. Now, he (Mr. Keogh) and other hon. members from Ireland. were expect. d not only to know who the present Chanced 1' of England was, but those who had been ch mcellors, and even who were to be. (Loud laughter) He was not is the confidence of the Chancellor for Ireland, but he might say that there wee no one who knew him, who did cent sts respect him. The hon. and learned member for Newark asked why ho did not reform his own court ? He (Mr. Keogh) recolleved sitting on a commission with S.r k. Sudden, that eminent legal authority, who said, that al though he had made great reforms in the practice of tile Court of Chancery in Ireland, yet that ill, re were certain other reform., which he did not attempt, because he hod felt himself controlled by long established usage, and doubted, besides, it he had authority to terry them into operation. (Hear, hear.) He thought that alone ou t fit to answer the hon. area learned gentleman's attar. on the Irish Court of Chancery, and the opinion that it emits to reform itself.. If the hon. and learned gentleman tad read this bill he (Mr. Keogh) could not conceive how be was able to doubt ita efficacy in lessening the delays of Chancery stir'. It proposed a simple petition, with the opportunity of putting the plaintiff's case at once before the court, and c mtained a new ingredient in lieu of the present absurd and oft-con temned system of cross interrogators—tamely. this viva rote examination of witnesses. If the hon. and teamed gentle man meant to deny that that would be a less ex pensive mode of proceeding, then must he, inderl, be entscoured of the Court cf Chancery ; hut he (Er. Is..ert.) believed he would much prefer that others, and not the hon. and learned gentleman himself, should enjoy its luxuries. The bill, in his humble opinion, would save firth time . sad money. It gave full authority for pro viding that dishonest defendants should not put plaint. Is to unnecessary casts. In an xtensive class of case in which large costs were daily incurred by preliminary pro ceedings, it prevented those expenses by simplifying and reducing the proceedings. He was quite satisfied it would greatly benefit the people of Ireland, and ire that opinion he VMS Me the majority of Irish members would concur. (Hear, hear.) Mr. COCKBURN highly admired the bill, and hoped that a like measure of reform would be speedily introduced into the English Chancery. The SOLICITOR GENERAL replied. He said the greater part of the speech of hie hon. and learned friend the member for Newark had been satisfactorily answered by the hon. and learned members for Athlone and Southampton. He entirely agreed with them in thinking that it we, possible that the reforms contemplated in this bill could be carried out by the Lord Chancellor at Ice land ; and he ventured to state that his hon. and Ii silted friend did not mean to assert that they could n hie a lawyer. (Hear, hear.) His hon. gra learned friend would not have made the in..irect attack which he had done on the Lord Chancellor had he been better acquainted with the country and with the adminie• tration of its laws. In hie objections to the bill be had. I/m in fact, beerevery sparing. (Hear.) All that he ithe.So.i.l- tor-erit) could upon petition a defendant could not put his own case upon ndi davit, while upon answer he might do so. lie said that lay men were not sufficiently acquainted with the quistion to form a correct opinion, and he appeared to thic k that in using the w ords" bill " and "answer he was employing mystical impressions which would prevent the house from proceeding with the bill. Now, what was, In feet, the difference between a bill and an answer? It was positively a difference in name only. He warned the house that if they meant to attempt to carry out any legal reforms they must nut allow tierce after lawyer to get up and tell them that they were not able to understand the matter. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) 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