The Express. — London, England, 1865-06-21 00:00:00

• THEEX B SS, 21iiiDlif1SIV# EVENING, JUN1021;144365. 6 IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT• &rade ineooveoiesoa would thu be iseariessi which Iniebt in some degree have bun modified. The Duke of RICHMOND said be could not ogres with the noble lord who had jut eat down as to the advisability of intuiting the area of chargeability to the whole country. One gnat objection ia Anise* to what was called a national rue was, that they must ouesaully have govern , meet authority in the management of the poor, and do away with that excellent system that now existed, by which they bad farmers, and Lode...one, sod magistrates. aad clergy working together for the benefit of the poor. He believed that this mature would roofer a great benefit cc the labourer, and be thought also that it would be an improvesout Ise the admioutratiou of the poor-law itself. It had bees admitted generally that the able.bodied, active. sad welleonditioned labourer would be be ne fited be ibis chew, inasmuch ad be would not be fet tered aa he was at present. but would be able to take his labour to • larger market, and thereby get • l a rger price • for it. Itad n said • nobe frid of his that th o ugh the h active bee and good laboure l r would be baufited. the Infirm and old !shouter would not be able to get work, end would be worse off. Hs (the Duke of Richmond) ad mitted that at dent sight this argument bad some plaus lity in it, hot he thought that if it were thoroughly looked late that objection would fall to the ground. He thought that the affairs of the unions would he managed much as they were at present. The guardians who attended were generally few in number. In the union that be war eon nested with out of fifty-nice guerdiaos„ fortyaix being ;elected and eleven being ex offiem, the oversee attendance &win last year was eleven, and therefore these eleven practically csnied on the affairs of the whole ankle. They would for the future probable continue to do so, sod they would discover after • time that every shilling of the funds of the union that was improperly spent would be so much out of their pockets, ' , wording to their holdings, and the farmer would see that by throwing the labourer on the rates instead of giving him employment he would be throwing an expeodi tare oo the rates which he himself would have to pay. And besides this there would be this advantage ' that it would not only be the Meerut of the farmer in his pa rish to employ the labourer, but it would be equally the interest of the farmers in the surrounding parishes. In fact, after a time, though it was possible it would take a little time to get it into working order, but after a time the affairs of the union would be worked and trebled just as were sow the a ff airs of • large paish. Then he must sey that the present law had no doubt very muth fostered the close pariah system was nearly exploded under which bottom were pulled down, and under which there was an ioduoemont not to build cottages. He would not weary their lordships by going through the evidence on this matter, but be warvery much satooiabed to hear it stated that there was no evidence that cottages had been polled down. If noble lords would read the evidence before Mr. Holler's commission in 1837 and that before the :committee st last year they would see abuodaoce of evidence that co ttages were pulled dun, sad that there was not in. &Dement enough to build De w ones. The argument that the existing law prevented the building „of cottagesthis was, he th ought, moat:lel/crab's. The legislation on subject had been tending in this direction for a considerable time ; they had thrown pauper lunatics on the common fond, and the salaries of the officials; and Mr. Lambert, one lot the Poor law inspectors, stated that more than oise-bato lf of the expenses under the Poor-law were now chargeable the anion, In point of fact, therefore, they by this bill only put on the moon the remaining portion, which was lea than a moiety, sod as they had gone so far in legislating in this direction it would be idle to atop. (Hear, hear.) The bill was then read a third time and passed, and The house adjourned at ball - p est seven o'clock. HOUSE OF LOIRDS.—TonsDAY, Joni 20. The hoses met at 5 o'clock. Lard AVELAND prematad • petition frees Wigtoft, Lieeolathire against the Union Chargeability Bill. Sul SPENCER presented petitions in favour of the 17alea Chargeability Bill from Long Buckley, Spratton, and Whitten, is themes!' of Nottingham. Lard ST. LEONARDS peseented • petition from the Chamber of Commerce and manufacturers of the city of Edinburgh. praying that provision may be made in the Law of Partnership Bill for the registration of mocha pushier ships, and for preventing the withdrawal of the mosey ad- mimed before the time contracted for. PRIVATE BILLS. The following bills wets read • third thee and pasha lialtby's Estate Bill, Cranford and Bel e m Erma. Mae chaste Corporation Water, Heysham Pier , Rieknieneworth, Avethate, and Chahar° Railway. Sutherlan d Railway, Barnstable Reeds, Crays Gas, and Belfast New Streets. RAILWAY DEBENTURES, REGISTRATION BILL. This bill passed through committee. PUBLIC-HOUSES CLOSING ACT (1864) AMENDMEN T BILL. On the report of ameedmeate to this bill, The Earl of DONOUG HMORE presented petitions from market gardeners and drovers shandies Manchester market, and from compositors employed on the Manchester Courier, and from the (Manehester Licensed Victuallers' Association all praying the restoration of the fif th clause of th ' is bilL The Marquis of CLANRICARDE presented petitions with • similar prayer from Wakefield. Chelmsford, sod several other places. He said Ii was • greet hardship to drovers and market prdenem who had walked all eight to market, mid who were not able to procure refrosbaseam. He hoped the government would agree to the bill as it stood whets it cams up from the Cornrows. Earl GRANVILLE said the question did not affect the principle of the bill, but only a clause which had been in troduced in the other house. AU the anticipations as to the greet advantage of closing night homes after 1 o'clock in the morning bad been realised since the passing of the act. end no complaints had been made as to the manner in which the police had exercised their discretionary power to grant maul licenses for keeping houses open after that hour. He trusted, therefore, that their lordships would not consent to the introduction of the clause proposed by the noble marquis. The Earl of DERBY apprebeeded that the difficulty which had arisen visa to be attributed to the manner in which the existing law was introduced. The act in question was passed to meet • crying evil which prevailed principally in certain parts of Lmdon ; but power was given to enable provincial towns to adopt its provisions if they chine to do so. A great many towns had aocepted the act, and ea the erbois it had worked well sad been received favourably ; bat is the case of certain trades and business, mid in cer tain localities, it was found that public•housee could not be eloeed within the prohibited hours without serious incon venience. Coesequently, proviaions were iotroduesd to stable the mhos to grant home's exempting houses front the operation of the act under certain circumstances ; bat no provision was made for gran ting special theses' to meet the case, for instance, of county meet lags and county balls, or other exceptional men, which did not apply to the metropolis. The question now was whether in these cases the discretionary power for granting these licenses should be vested is the chief of the polies or the magistrates is petty sessions. With el re seect for that earful body, the police, he thought the mom they confined them to their executive duties, and the leas they conferred upon them judicial timelines, the better. (Hear, hear.) In his opinion, the magistrates constituted • more fitting tribunal to decide these matters. He had seen • notice issued by one of the chiefs of the police, stating that be would not grant . any special licenses under any circum- ' Mamas whatever to his district, and thus one perms bad the powerto make the law • dead letter. He hoped their lordships would restart the clause which had been inserted in the bill by the House of Commons. Earl GRANVILLE intimated that he would consent to the clause of the noble marquis provided the metropolis was exempted from its operation. The Marquis of CLABILICARDI accepted the proposal of the noble earl, and The clause was agreed to, on the understanding that another clause should be introduced on the third reading exempting the metropolis. LOCOMOTIVES ON ROADS BILL. This bill passed through committee. The Admiralty Acts Repeal Bill, the Admiralty Powers Bill, and the Dodlyarde Ports Regulation Bill, were respectively read a second time. PRISONS BILL. Earl GRANVILLE, in movie(' the second reading of this bill, said it had two objects—the consolidation of the preset law on the subject of prisons—but as the bill was one of great detail, he would not enter into its provisions, bat would be ready to consider any impatiens which might be made for its improvement. The Earl of CARNAR VON said he agreed almost entirely with the proposals in the bill, which caned oat very fairly and fully the recommeadatione of the select committee which sat on the subject two or three years ago. He would certainly have preferred the bill in the original shape is which it emanated from the Home-office, but none of the alterations made in it affected the principle. He thought the proper rule to pursue was this, that during abort sentences, and during the eerie staged of imprisonment. • criminal should be kept at what was called bard and unproductive labour, and then by degrees passed through higher chases of emi.loyment. A system of classes was indispensable. As to the bill itself, the hard labour clans*, as originally framed, seemed to him to be one which entirely met the recommendation of the se sect committee. He found, however, that • change had sioce been made, and that the six months had been reduced to three. He regretted this change very much, and thought the clause should be restored as it originally stood. He observed there was a clause which provided for the abolition of solitary confinement. This was altogether • new feature in the bill, and in direct opposition to the recommendation of the select committee. The bill was then read a second time. MALL BENEFICES (IREL LL. AND) ACT AMENDMENT BI The Arebbialiop of DUBLIN moved the second reedig el this bill, the object of which was to amend the 23 rd and 24th Victoria, and sseimilate the law of Ireland to that of England in some matters of church and to remove some serious diseouragements to church building and church esdoemeut in that country. It was proposed to enable ecolssiestiad patrons to bind themselves and their snotemors legally, so that trustees who built and endowed churches should not have all future appointments beside the first. The bill was read • wood time. LAND DEBENTURES (IRELAND) BILL. The Earl of CORK moved that this bill be committed to • committee of the whole house. He was induced to take this course, feeling that the measure was • very bone fish! one. Its main object was to enable landowners in Ireland to raise money cheaply and speedily, without com plc:alien their titles, while at the same time capitalists were provided with • secure opening for investment. It would also enable an owner to pay off incombnaoss at his own coovenienoe, and in small sums. This was • subject which bad long attracted great attention in Ireland, and be believed the bill would generally increase the value of land, sod afford additional inducements to purchasers. Lord ST. LEONARD/3 said the select committee had determined cot to proceed with the bill upon principle, and not with ieference to any particular provisions. The object of the measure was to enable proprietors of Irish estates to make a sham mortgage, to get it registered, and then to hem dale/ahem upon their property to the amount of that sham mortgage. Ireland had been ruined in consequence of proprietors encumbering their catalog to au extent which compelled them to sell at a considerable loss, and he hoped their lordthips would sot, by passing this bill, bold out additional inducements to them to effect m The Earl of DONOUGHMORE considere o d r a s a g t e le noble earl was quite justified in appealing to the house from the decision of the committee, the rejection of the bill having bees determined upon by . • majority of five noble lords con nected with England against three convected with Ireland. There was no greater want in Ireland than the application of capita.] to the cultivation of the soil, and any measure which would promote that object would be a boon to the landed proprietors of the country. Their lordships divided : Per the motion 5l Against l4-37 The house then went into committee on the bill, and it pawed through committee with two amendments. The following bills passed through committee without amendment :—Mortgage Debentures Bill, Prisons (Scotland) Act Aumudment Bill, Trespass (Scotland) Bill, }ketosis& aka! Leasing Act (1858) Amendment Bill, Piers and Harbour Orders Goofireastioe Bill, Pilotage Order Confirmation (No. 2) Bill, Smoke Nuisance (Scotland) Acts Amendment Bill, Procurators (Scand) Bill, Churches and Chapels Exemption (Scotland) Bill, Colonial Law Validity Bill, Colonial Marriages Validity Bill, sad Defences Act (1860) Amsedmeat BilL UNION CHARGEABILITY BILL. On the order of the day for the third reading of this bill, Lord DENMAN said be twined the bill would be post poned till Tbonaoy, as it was so late in the seating. Earl GRANVILLE said it was only • little after T °Palo* sad be hoped the bill would be proceeded with. HOUSE OF OOMMONS.—TIIINDAT, JUNI 20. The Srsaicra took the chair at 12 o'clock. SUPPLY. The report of the committee of supply was brought up and agreed to. WAYS AND MEANS. The house then went into committee on Ways and Means, and some votes on account were agreed to. EXCISE ACTS. The house then went into committee on the Excise Acts. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the following resolution :—" That, upon the delivery for home consumption of any British compounded spirits which may be warehoused in any customs or excise warehouse upon drawback, there shall be paid for and in respect of and in addition to every 1001. of the excise duty payable thereon 'the same rate. as are directed by the 15th motion of the set passed in the 23rd year of the reign of her Majesty, chapter 22 (as construed and explained by the sth section of the act passel to the 23rd and 24th yearn of the same reign, chapter 36), to be paid for every 1001. of customs deity payable on goods toot being tobacco or sugar), delivered for home consumption from any customs warehouse." The resolution was agreed to. COUNTY COURTS EQUITABLE JURISDICTION I (JUDGES' SALARIES) iCONSOLIDATED FUND). The house went into committee, and a motion was pro nosed foe granting an addition to the salaries of County Coact judges on ausaunt of the ir proposed equitable juris dicta**. Mr. AUGUSTUS SMITH thought it would be better to increase the number of County Court judges than the salaries of the existing ones, especially as the latter would lead to demands from others holding judicial positions. Mr. LONGFORD regretted that the original plan was not adhered to for some years longer. By this bill 300/. a year for each judge, or 18, 0001 . in the aggregate. would be added to the public expenses. The duties of the judges va ried very greatly. ' Mr. F. PEEL said the object was to substitute a paymeet out of the consolidated fond for the payment by fees which would naturally arise out of the equitable jurisdiction. It appeared only fair that there should be some additional payment. He proposed by this bill that no county court lodge who should be appointed after the present time should ever receive more than 1,5001. Mr. A YRTON thought it should be understood that if bankruptcy jurisdiction should be hereafter added to the Inuity jurisdiction there would be no claim to any additional salary. Mr. HENLEY expressed an apprehension that the gaols which were already encumbered by the county court judges would be still further encumbered under the equity jails- dictioo. The CHANCELLOR of the MCCHEQUER was of opt , sion that the judicial salaries of this country were more {bas liberal In the present case the proposal was an equit able one, and a handsome remuneration was being granted Ito the judge' for the whole of their time. Sir C. O'LOGHLEN observed that the salaries of the county_ court judges of Ireland amounted to only about Iri..oom. a year. I The motion was that) agreed to. GREENWICH HOSPITAL BILL. This bill was read • third time and passed. FORTIFICATIONS (PROVISIONS FOR EXPENSES) BILL. This bill was road a third time and pawed. MALT DUTY BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. HARBOUR TRANSFER BILL. This bill was read a third time sad passed. PIER AND HARBOUR_ ORDERS CONFIRMATION __ _ _ (No. 2 and No. 3) BILLS. Them bills were read a third time and palmed. TRUSTS ADMINISTRATION (SCOTLAND) BILL. This bill was read a third time sad passed. RECORD OF TITLE (IRELAND) BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. WICK AND AYR BURGHS ELECTION BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. FIRE BRIGADE (METROPOLIS) BILL. The committee on this bill was resumed. In clause 6, Sir M. FARQUHAR moved the following proviso : " Provided that the means of extinguishing fires afforded by the said ' London Fire Engine Establishment ' shell not be diminished within the respective districts within which such means are at present applicable." Mr. LEWIS supported it. Mr. BARING was sorry that be could not aces to it. There was not the least peeimity for it, and it might have the effect of limiting the protection proposed to be created by the bill. It was then withdrawn. Mr. AYRTON moved the following addition to clause 110,--"And no water company shall be liable to any penalty or claim by reason of any interruption of the supply of miter occasioned only by compliance with the provisions of this motion." Agreed to. Ica clause 11. lb. H. LEWIS moved to substitute 871. 101. for 351. ; the effect of which would be to re a d er the inhabitants dthe metropolis liable for no more than the difference between the sum of 25,0001. now contributed by the insu rance offices, plum 10,0001. to be contributed by the govern ment, and the cost of the new establishment. He sew no mews why the offices should be let off what they now paid. Sir M. FARQUELLR said that out of an estimated vales ec 900 millions of property in the metropolis, only one third was insured ; and it was monstrous to expect the of to keep up a fire brigade for the benefit of those who did not insure. Mr. AYRTON said that whatever was levied upon the came would in reality have to be paid by the public. He soneidered that the more equitable way of levying the con tribution upon the companies would be to place it upon the premium, and not upon the amount insured, as was now proposed by the bill. By the former plan they would pt at the owner' of the property stored in warehouses, and the contribution would vary directly as the degree of risk. Lord FERSiOY supported the amendment. Mr. BARING said that if the offices chose to give up the brigade, the legal liability would rest on the parishes. At the same time, by levying a contribution on the offices they were enabled to math property which would be I protected, bet which would not pay . anything to the rates. He hoped that the lowering of the duty would have the effect of reaming the amount of property uninsured, and that would diminish the difficulty of nide( the ecistribttion ; because of course if the whole of the property of the metropolis was immured nothing woad be fairer thee to raise the riecemuy funds by a tax cm the offices. As to the amendment itself, he must object to it, beams the present scheme was a compromise which he 'Wad be lorry to disturb. Tbe boom divided : For the amendment l6 Apiesh‘t The amendment vas therefore lost. Mr. AYRTON then moved an amembosat for the per ilium Arr.) Lord LYTTELTON said be thought the bfil would be d benefit to the workiog classes. It was said that there woeid be s greater stimulant to employ labour if the area of rargeability were refined as at present to the pariah ; but he thought that those artificial stimulacta to the employ meet of the poor were an evil rather than a good. He roistered, however, that he supported this bill only se a to= mi7 lularger measure. He should be glad if Lord ab . row that he bad got rid of him official duties, ward tare his Wearer to the subject and propose some , .suers to carry eat his idea of the uniform rate all over , the country. He should be glad to are that, and a total abolition of the law of settlement sod removal. The total abolition of removal, withor the abolition of the law of mittkessos, wag way years ago susgested by Hr. Coomb. L his opiree, for the borsht of the poor themselves, the brier the area of chargeability the better. He mart say, bowery, that this bell might hays beer brought is with a little more coadderatton than bedroll siso en. Be Wined that in some parishes, those which were called close proshea, the rate would be doubled or trebled. Cori- pose of making the premiums %Wei of the resit ht.: send the basis for orlooletiog the owtsibution of the offlow ; but it was negatived without • division. An anseadment was proposed by Mr. Lanni is Glows 11, allowing neurones companies two years for =akin , up their accounts . It was opposed by Mr. Ayrton , an d the house was eleand for a &vistas, but none took plata ; and the wassdmoot was agreed to. Sir X. FARQUHAR proposed the following proviso— " Provided that any inenrasos company, whieb, at tbe time of the pawns of this set. contributes to the expenses of the London fire-engine establishment, may, ion respect of sli payments to be made by it, in any year up to the year 1870 inclusive, tot not alter wards, contribute after the yearly rate of 3 51 . in 1,000,0004 of the business in respect of which it contributes to the said fire-engine establishment for the present year, "wording to a return which has been fur sidled to the chairman of the Metropolitan Board of Works, instead of in the manner in Ibis sot mentioned." M r . AYRTON opposed it. oit the ground that the return referred to was not before the hours. The committee divided — For the proviso Against it ll-67 The clause sa amended was then agreed to On clause 16. Mr. BLACKBURN moved to omit the words " ten thousand pounds," with • Mew to make government pro perty contribute at the same rate as other property in the metropolis ; but this amendment was sot premed. Os clause 11, Mr. CLAY moved the following proviso " Provided that the proportion of say such payment by the overseer of any parish which shall be attributable to rates paid by soy water company in rowed of their pipes or work*, may be deducted by such water company out of the next pityroent of rates demanded by such overseer, and shall be allowed by him accordingly. " Mr. LEWIS opposed the motion, which was negatived without a division. Mr. AYRTON moved the following clause :—" Maintenance of floating atom fire-engines on the River Thames by the bard—The board shall maintain as many floating steam fin-engines on the River Thames, within the limits of the metropolis, os may by them be deemed necessary as part of the mid fire brigade, mid the Conservators of the River Thames *hall, on the let day of January in every year, pay to the uid board the sluts of 3,0001., out of the surplus funds in their bands, towards ths expense of keeping up the said fire brigade. Mr. BARING could not spot to the clause, for he found that the waservators had no earplug, and, after some con venetian, it was also negatived. Mr. AYRTON also moved a claws making persons to whom assistance had been gives contribute towards the maintenance of the fin brigade, which was negatived. The rest of the bill was then agreed to. HARWICH HARBOUR BILL. This bill paned through committee. CARRIERS ACT AMENDMENT. This bill waged through committee. ROADS AND BRIDGES (SCOTLAND) BILL. Lord ELCIIO asked paroniasion to insert amendments in order that if in the next parliament any very green member felt inclined to attempt road legislatioa, he might have the bill in the form in which be (the noble lord) thought it was most desirable that it should stand. Afters few words from Mr. BLACKBURN, Mr. STIBLING, the LORD-ADVOCATE, and other members, The smenduionts were istroduosd. The sitting was suspended at ten minutes to four. The sitting was resumed at six o'clock. MILITIA TRAINING. Lord BURGHLEY asked the Under Secretary of State for War whether then would be any objection to make pro. vision is the next militia estimates for brigading regiments for review during the last week of the annual training. The Marquis of HARTINGTON regretted he was not able to give any definite answer to the question of his noble friend. The subject must be reserved for consideration when the estimates of the year came to be prepared. REPORT OF ARMY RECRUITING COMMITTEE. Colonel NORTH asked the Under Secretary of State for War if the report of the committee upon the recruiting of the army would be laid upon the table of the house. The Marquis of li A RTINGTON said that the report was one which it was not desirable, on public grounds, to lay upon the table of the house. BRIGANDAGE IN ITALY. Mr. 0. STANLEY asked the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if any communications had takes place between the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs asd the Italian government with regard to the detention of an English gentleman by the brigands. Mr. LAY AM) said, in answer to the question of his boo. friend, he had to state that the account which appeared in the papers last week was as entire fable. There was not the slightest foundation for the statement which had been made. Her Majesty's government had been in constant communication with the Italian government on the ques tion of the treatment of British subjects, and the Italian government were doing all they could to procure the relearn of Mr. Minns. He might state that the government had that day received information that the camp of the brigands had boon captured, and the chief himself, Ciardellm arrested. He was not aware whether Mr. Moons had yet been liberated or not. THE CHINESE FLAG. Mr. LIDDELL asked the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether any communications had paned between the Foreign-office sod her Majesty's representative in China relative to the permissiou said to have been given by the Chinese government to its subjects to own foreign vessels and sail them under the Chinese flag; and whether, with a view of affording protection to the mews and cargoes of each vessels, her Majesty's government anticipated the ' necessity of any increase of our naval forces in Chinese waters, or whether the protection of its flag would be left exclusively to the Chinese government, and all risks attend ing such trade, coasting or otherwise, left to be bone by such Chinese owners. Mr. LA YARD said a rumour to the effect bad appeared in the public papers, but no report on the subject had reached her Majesty's government from the consul at Shenghas. EDUCATIONAL AND CHARITABLE INSTITUTIONS BILL. Mr. HADFIELD asked the hon. member for West Wor owtershire whether it was intended to proceed with the Educational and Charitable Institutions Bill, introduced into this house ea 31st March last. Mr. LYGON said it was hi. intention to proceed with this bill to-morrow. . without promoting diuonteet amcmget the others ; and the could not promote dissootont amongst large misses of th people without imperilling the prosperity sod the stability of the empire. (Hear, hear.) Now the position of the Roman catholic' was one of grievous inequality considering the relative position of the three gnat denominations-- catholic, presbyterian, and p ro testant—with respect to the facilities enjoyed by t hem' for oldsieing a naivereity edu catiosi. As bad been stated by Sir John Gray, of the Dublin corporation ; whilst, *yore ansopment bad been made for the education of preshytecans, the esthetics, whilst they were more than four millions and • half of the population, bad no recognised university, and had no edu cational institutios of a high order of which they could avail themselves. This deseriptioa was perfectly accurate, and thoooliagly he was justified is raying their ;coition wee one of grievous inequality. Let it not 14 sap that the catholic. wished to deprive their fellow. imposuntrymee of any advantage they at present enjoyed. (Hear.) They asked for equality for themselves and for others; they asked the same equality which was en joyed by their fellow oonntrymeo sad their 00-religionisti in Canada and America. He smarted that the Roman esthetics had entertained a constant objectise to the proud system of education in Ireland • and he said that the ex perience of the peat ought by Mils time to have convinced every candid mind that those objections were insuperable How could that be drown except by showiog that the catho lic@ had persistently refused to avail themselves of the pre sent system, and that the eddies system had consequently failed to meet the requirements of the Irish people! (Cheers.) He presumed there was no person foolish, or impolitic, or wicked enough to ley to ado:dice you must overcome your scruples or do without university education altogether. Every oes knew that Trinity College was exclusively and rigidly protestant, and no one was admitted mooed the governing body who was not a member of the established church, and it was not likely that the character of that institution would be altered to meet the want of the catho lic& Au educational experiment woo tried in Ireland be the establishment of the Queen's Colleges. Thou col leges w ere distinguished by two very remarkable pecoliari tiea. The first was that these institution, were to be kept free from the bare suspicion of any bias or religious tendency whatever, and the second was that persons of every religious creed, or of no religion at all. might Woo, to the governing bodies of these histitatione. These extramdieary peculiarities had produced in the minds of the people that feeling which caused the miserable failure of thou colleges to which be would call the attention of the house. He would first of all show the number of students in each of those colleges, including Trinity College. In Belfast the total number of students was 406 ; catholic', 22. In Cork, 263; catholic., 123. In Galway, 169; catholic, 78. In Trinity College, about 1,000; catholic. 45. Total number of student+, 1,837, of whom only 268 were catholic,. (Hear, bear.) The audience formed only 14 per cont. of the total number of university at udenta, whilst the number of catholic@ attending intermediate schools of superior education fully equalled the number of those of all other denominations attending the same class. The total number attending the intermediate schools was 14,003, of whom more than 7,000 were catholic. Now these facts most be taken se a proof that but for conscien tious objections the number of catholic' attending universi ties is Ireland would be infinitely greater than it was. Two of the colleges, Cork and Galway, wore mere schools. as far as arts were concerned ; and were, in fact, nothing better than medical schools, for making third-rate doctors. Bel fast College was to all intents and purposes a denomina tional institution, the profaners being almost delusively presbyterian, there being only one or two protestant, amongst them. Now what was the remedy for this state of things? Let a charter of incorporation be granted, with a power of conferring degrees, to the °dhoti° university in Dublin, which had already been established by the catholic of Ireland, who had contributed 130,0001. towards its support. (Hear, hoar.) They did not come to ask the state for a grant of public money. All they asked was that the state should give them three powers and that character, without which a university was of no practical benefit to the community. This demand was founded on justice and was supported by precedent. The protestant* of Ireland sad England, the presbyterians of Ireland and England, bad their chartered universities ; and the catholic* of Canada and Australia had also their chartered universities, endowed by the state and governed by catholic bishops. (Hear, bear.) On what principle were the catholic. of Ireland to be treated differently from all the other subjects of the crown? (Hear, hear.) Were they alone to be denied the right of university education? Why were they to be told you must avail yourselves of the university system which it is our pleasure to provide, or you must do without university education altogether! ( H ear.) He would not weary the house by calling attention to the course of studies or to the examination papers of the catholic university, bat competent judges were of *aloe that it was fully up to the recognised standard of univer sity education, and the heads of the establishment earnestly desired that all its arrangements should be subjected to the most searching scrutiny. (Hear, bear.) Amongst the reforms were men well known to fame. The professor of chemistry was Mr. Sullivan, who bad been appointed by government to a similar position in the Museum of Irish Industry and in the National Board of Education. The protector of the medical department was Dr. Lyons, who was selected by the government to go to Lisbon on a mission of the greatest difficulty, and the natural philosophy professor was Mr. Hennessy who assisted the late Admiral Viterey in his scientific investigations. The want of university education was felt in every grade of catholic society. It was very rare to Hod any of the catho lies of Ireland in possession of a university degree, because they bad no legally recognised university of which they could avail themselves. (Hear, hear.) In the came of justice, then, and as they respected the right" of conscience, as they valued the principle of equal rights and privileges, for all the subject' of the Queen, he asked them to remove this educational disability from catholic', because they I were not only injurious to catholic., but also I a blot upon the reputation of Eogland, and unworthy of the generous and enlightened spirit which , governed her policy at the meant day. (Hear, beer.) He appealed to protestant@ for support, and be did this with the more confidence from knowing bow he and his co•reli- ' &nista, if a similar appeal were made to them, would act in the like circumstances- (Hoar, hear.) He appealed for I support to her Majesty's government, who already had given many proofs of the justice and generosity which governed their direction of public affairs, and which be for one re cognised and was grateful for—and he asked them not to stop short in their career, bet to persevere in doing justice to all by establishing equal rights and privileges for every denomination of her Majesty's subjects. (Cheers.) Mr. BAGWELL said that his boo. friend had in a speech of singular moderation—(hmar, hoar)—so entirely exhausted the subject that it would not be necessary for him to occupy much of the time of the house in seconding hie proposition. He believed the late Sir Robert Peel had never uttered a truer axiom than when he said Ireland was the difficulty of English administration. Bot why was Ireland a difficulty? Becalms the people of Ireland bad always been refused those privileges which they ex pected and ought to have; and when given, they were not given with a broad and liberal band, bat in a ogprdly spirit, and only whop the exigences of party fmo-W them from government. When, 20 years ago, the Queen's Col leges were founded, the government were distinctly told that, not being raised OD a religious beds, they would fail The late Sir B, Inglis called them a gigantic scheme of godless education. Mr. Shen, Mr. O'Connell, and Lord John Russell, who was never looked oo with a favourable eye by catholic, were opposed to the scheme. He earnestly entreatedlthe government, as they regarded the well being and good wishes of the Irish people, as they regarded their own position and strength as ministers of the crown, that they would look with eyes of justice and favour upon the Ter/ moderate proposition of his hon. friend. (Hear, hear.) Sir O.OREY said the subject of the motion which had been broughdbefore the house by the bon. member for Tretee in a very temperate and able speech was one that had an important bearing on the highest class of education in Ireland, and affected the interests of • large portion of their fellow-subjects in that country ; and if it could be shown that they were really subject to any positive disad vantage as compared with the rest of their fellow-subjects, they were well entitled to have their case fairly and tem perately considered by the house. (Hear, bear.) The hoe. gentleman confined his speech to university education, and by university education he understood him to mean not only that course of instruction in literature and science which was generally included in a university course of education, bat the result of that university education in UNIVERSITY EDUCATION (IRELAND). obtaining academic degrees. What was the effect of an The DON OOH LIE said be rou to make • motion of academic degree? It was not a mere nominal distinction, or which he had given r ue d and in so doing b e wou ld begin a test that a man had attained a certain position in liters by @eying he believed Its terms were neomearily such Lure and science, although it was valuable in these respects, se would arrest the attention of the house. He begged to but it conferred substantial advantage on a man with re move—" That an bumble addrem be presented to her gard to his profesdooal prospects in after life. (Hear.) Majesty, representing to Dee Majesty that consc ientious The academic :degree gave a man a substantial advantage objection, to the present system of university education in who started in a profusion, &sin the case of the bar, where, Ireland prevented a large number of her Majesty's subjects the degree of M. A. enabled him to be called two years I from enjoying the advantages of university education, and earlier than he otherwise could. Before the foundation of praying that such steps may be taken u will remove this the Queen's Universit a denies could not be obtained in grievance. 'He might also say he made this motion with Ireland except at Tr in ity Co , Dublin ; and although 1 the greatest oonfidence, because he believed that there never the Dublin University was very 'herd in he system of in was a period when legislation was go little fettered by mere 'Unction and in conferring degrees, so far as related to party and sectarian influence a at present — (hear , head— religious tents—not requiring them with regard to lay de- ' and his experience as a member of parliament had led to pus at all—yet, as the hog. gentleman (the O'Donosbold to believe that there was an anxiety on the part of the lees- had stated, Trinity College was an establishment essentially lature and on the part of the British people to mske equal protestant, and connected with the established church ; and laws throughout the British empire, and to place all classes we could hardly be surprised that comparatively few of her Majesty's subjects on • footing of perfect equality as Roman catholic availed themselves of the opportu to their rights and privilege.. (Hear, bear.) If he were to pity a ff orded by Trinity College of obtaining an am succeed in showing, as be thought he could, that condign. damical degree. Under these circumstances the govern lions objections to the present "diem of university educe- mint of Sir Robert Peal proposed, in 1845, the foundation el , Queen's colleges in Ireland. The foundation of a naive' , I tion in Ireland prevented a large number of her Majesty's subject' from availing themselves of the advantages (I 4 psi. 'at ' e"eble or e"firri bn a tit degr. was s e a learl wal T n iO ot tli M oloD e an tem em palat 'dimity educatioo, be thought it would be sdmitted east of that scheme, t pro day vida that i th t Leta ai llit er t ain men ed t of ths % th He et ne l ird no bed t re pre m e r i nd the e heolieustratetthise great Pi a non say ef uni t v be enn ee ty vem ehoo mee ld follow, provided which boasted to hive guarded more scrupulously than say the colleges had talon ingliciest root to acquire a Derma- sew, pol i t i ca l lib er t y , No wt. equa lit y, an d th e sent character ; and that wu indicated in the speech of Sir mi d toomplota " m i n e j t o l era tt es ; and t h a t th ere was J. Graham in moving for leave to Introduce the bill. The no omintry where the rights of coo/tithes were more care- object in establishing those colleges, in the importance fully guarded. Looking therefore to the three great re- of which he (Sir G. Gerry) then and still emended. was that Worm dinghies of protestants, esthetic& and preebyteriane, of affording method giving the best awake education to he did not expect to he told— " Yo u proved theexistenco the youth of Ireland, oripso-Uve altogether of distinction of &Omuta' which if it wars proved to exist with regard to lof religious creed—so dielinotive religious teaching being protestant, ot prothyterians we ehoold sorely redress, bat i admitted in th e educational emus& but means usasmnch as it affects only member, of the Roman catholic 1 being , provided for the voluntary religious in. choroh- we have no remedy to offer you." He did mot I 'traction of the stedenis by of their Teepee ahi T i o ba iaajaktoto was boned to ma w & to ma h y t e . tire denomination& He coold e t Y heip thinking that runs that 'Ala it refused to cowed* to catholic& He , that °bleat T" benevolent sad enlightened, Wag to bring thought faissess required that pretatents, catkolies, and together young rase of differeot oriels, sepeaueed thereto- presbyterians should participate equally in all the privileges 1 1 .,0r5, Auderfausettif. , 7by Agora rolieselle switiesitits, into whisk British subjects should enjoy. (Haar.) Th ey could mem 7 won , isthmus& lel students la th e same college. sea maw altaaaadiaaz , pato il agamp „ ow d t h oar l o di es , . esgaged in honourable emulation is the attainment of that THE TRUCK ACT. Sir R. CLIFTON asked the President of the Board of Trade whether his attention had been directed to the hard ship inflicted upon working men by muter manufacturers in their charge of rental upon machinery in reduction of their earnings, and in contravention of the principle of the Track Act ; and whether it was his intention to introduce • bill for remedying that hardship. Mr. GIBSON said be had not received any representations with regard to the subject to which the question referred. CASE OF LIEUTENANT JOHNSON. Admiral WALCOTT begged to aak t ie Foreign Secretary whether any cuticula% hat been reoeed by the govern ment in reference to the arrest of Lieutenant Johnson, R.N., an officer in command of • royal steam-ship on the southout coast of Ametio► Mr. LAYARD said that theme to which the hon. and gallant member referred had occurred not in Brazil, but in the Argentine republic at Buenos Ayres. It appeared that Lieutenant Johnson wee returning home very late at night, and heard screams issuing from a house. After endeavour ing to eater by the front door in vain, he discovered another door open behind, and on entering found two men en gaged in mortal conflict—one endeavouring to take the life of the other with a pistol. LientenantJohnson wrenched the pistol out of the bands of the assailant, who escaped. Several watchmen then entering the house, and seeing a man desperately wounded and Lieut. Johnson standing over him with a pistol in his hand, seized the latter, beat him severely, and carried him off to prison, where he was con fined for many hours before it was known who be was. The English consul (Mr. 'Thornton) Immediately lodged a complaint with the minister, who admitted that a gross moult had been committed, and promised to punish the offenders. The result was that the watchmen were put into prison to await their trial ; and the minister of do Argentine republic in Louden had expreseed his regret for the troy then lesowledge Adak meld be useful to them in life, mid fit and they sent their moos to it instead m e sebolic 7 1 1 them for the performing of thee. duties required from the log them as they formerly did to g ee 7 ". ~--- lßilEbtb. o6B of emetirme onestre. (Hear, bear.) In 1864 the The feat ma, th e presbyterial; of Bellew - mo mSor7 . bed government earned t ote office the nineties announced by • hall in which their youth could be instructed is rum, hod , the government of Sir Robert Peel, by founding a university subjects, and the Roman catholic. could do the ea st —the , c t •"" efteu • by which degrees might beeonferred tudepesiently altogether at Galway and Cork. The presbyteriacs of the tio r tj es erestrus of Trinity College, Dublin, epos those who came up to the supplemented the endowment of the state, and they o f ever stan d ar d c e exam i na t ion a xe d, and w h o b e e pseud through • reaping their reward. (Hear, hear.) He was awes The Ob. ••:_nata P°i course of instruction in any one theQueee's college.. That the bead of the R o m an catholic church in De sa g_7 es peglee being the state of the law, the mention was whether any 0111011—had 'oedemas) thesetoolleges. Now, I n es he me en ee ted tb were debarred by Peel sent Mr.L large portion of her Majesty's subject, arcons and Mr. Major tensest moat'• soy conscientious objections to the system of education par. to sears* for proper places in which to build them o xiF . for exam lwit sued either in Trinity College, Dublin, or in these college& they arrived at Armagh, sod two gentlemen appea r ed Xmontely rm,..`a" 1 1 • V. Now, however strong his own opinion might be in favour of tbem—me was the Primate of Ireland—the late bw,Z sod the d im mixed education, and however much be might regret that and vegetated primate, Archbishop Beredsgra - 7 wee ileresitted there wee such decided opposition on the part of the llamas be urged that One college should be is t. catholic hierarchy to that system, it was no use shutting and he scarcely left the room when em d our eyes to the fact that there were persons who entertained wee introduced, and be, a Mon of liberal views. a ra"`" hay of Or a different opinion to that which be entertained—(hear) that one college should be founded in Armagh. g ra men eePr —sod that the Queen's colleges had no t . been received with • bishop—Dr. Crolly — wss elected by the native eh m mo p*. eoulet 0 , 0 , that unival approval at all events which had beep hope& was much respected by those amoapt whom be lire 4 g the gniPimil for and hem might say that some protestant. also regarded ;he gave as opinion in favour of th ose in mat , , animation these establialuneuts with some aversion and distrust, sad house was sow celled upon to overthrow, for it wrvu4 , ch tea bad? In whi m a with a feeling which in many cum amounted to • con- I to disguise the fact that that was what was et e m i i y r epreie saeotions conviction that it was not the deny of this resolution. (Hear, hear.) It was a fact that m i h - ek M AW ". meal parents to seed their sons to those eolleges, be.' of the Roman catholic church in Ireland dieted to t at e la d te r• ° ' cause they felt that there was not sufficient pa charter for a Roman catholic college; but if it were .. otl born. notes for the inculcation of those religious ninepin did the Roman catholic gentlemen suppose that they. wic (jr7O'Reilly) which they regarded as the tree foundation of their future be allowed to send their ion to any other usi "moo his e welfare, and therefore as the primary object of any minim I (Hear, bear.) Now Dr. Doyle, when he was named 1,.m , may deeth of education.aliem noatim. Though he believed this feeling to be the Home of Lords, stand that the bishops o f faf tgDEDATE I taken and exaggerated he could not deny lie existence, nor I elected by the parish priests and coosecrated by tee r eIy DCVO! undo could he seek to impose his view upon those who conecno. bishop., and that the Pope did Dodds' but what new -• to famed a tinily objected to it. He thought, however, that the hoe. formal—that he did not interfere with tin et mo och of gentleman (the O'Donoghne) bad greatly exaggerated the what had happened since? Dr. Cullen, the might 1 failure, as he termed it, of the Queue's colleges—(bear, of that church, bad not received a mingle earliest P bear)—and he understood that in two of them there were a parish priests. The Pope bad set aside the of ,eboald fur large number of students of different creed. living together don in his ease; and this was the man Ira - it to which in harmony, and reclining to that extent the intentions of • the colleges which Dr. Orally sad Archie. the government. There was • distinction to be drawn upon I approved of. (Hear, hear.) The house et this subject, es it afforded the highest class of education, 1 that commission were issued to and as it affected the popular education conducted in the I the Universities of Cambridge, Oxford, national schools . The edocation given in the national I and many improvement, b adad taken schools was of an excellent character, but provided them in consequence. When Mr. there was any conscientious objection on the part of presented Cork in that house he anted that • parent to send a child to those schools there of Dublin had not done enough, and be sou were other schools to which he could send him, sad mere substantial honours and degrees should be and the boy from the Inatomel school entered upon their graduates. Now though all graduates in " course in life upon terms of perfect educational equality. mutt not nista fellowships or belong ' That was sot so, however, with regard to the higher clue body, yet they could vote at elections, ant of education. A student educated at the Roman catholic; established foundation scholarships, whi c h a , university was placed at this deadventage, that he could way things, and which were open to all; acid . not obtain a degree in Ireland because be had Dot studied when be was Secretary for Inked established at one or other el the colleges he (Sir G. Grey) referred to, called demi-fellowships, which were worth it and to that extent, therefore, the government thought towable for seven years, and several Rerun there was a reasonable ground for compluat, which they gentlemen bad obtained them substantial honours. were willing to endeavour to remedy. (Hear, bear.) Is regarded their profenonhips, they were -eats. England, some years ago, a degree could only be obtained and in addition to these there were through the medium of our two great univenities. open, a nd also several medical Bo b o , vanity College, Leiden, was then enteblisbed, followed by the withstanding the foundation cf the three King's College. They were founded nem diametrically oppo. colleges Roman catholic gentlemen entered the g site principles—the former giving no direct religious instrua in the same proportion as they formerly did; Lion, aod the latter being in close connection with the (stab- they to be demonoced for me doing by those w h o limbed March, and giving religious instruction according to notieced the colleges, end who wished to put an its doctrines. The University of Loodon comprised both mixed education in Ireland? (Hoer, beer.) Be those colleges, and gave degrees to students of each. But the interests of the Roman catholic. -"melees it had bean enabled to go even beyond that point—schools these, what were gelled, liberal and enlig end colleges had been affiliated to the London University, The University of Dublin did not desire to and degrees were given to pupils of those schools coming or from the Roans catholic. But the bane to the standard of examination ; and it bad gone further to s upport this mob:aim upon the grand the still, and offered to receive as candidate' for its degrees system of education is Ireland interfered wi students not coming from any school, provided they had scruples. Re did not believe that it did. acquired that knowledge which met the standard by which no test of any sort applied to the Rama candidates for degrees were ceased. Ix England there was, and there was DO restriction of any eon knows, in fact, a system of perfect equality as reopened degrees. tended, as Oben had done, that it would he It bad been in operation for some time ' sod the Roman ca. want* the youth of Inked from the cradle to tholice here had largely availed themselves of it, I sad this moveassat was far the purple of in order to obtain degrees from the Loudon that object. He deeded that it was • snout University. Thus that wail done indirectly which I thi ng , as h a d b a ss am mted by Dr, Da m . the bon. gentleman (The O'Donogline) wished to Roman catholic youths al the country to Dot* be done directly in Ireland. He (Sir G. Grey) wished to' s ay, when they wee* meet and mix lip with state, on the part of the government, that they saw so pronstant religion* their daily intercourse. reason why the principle being thus conceded hare. our They had already as good profeaeors as the, Roman catholic fellow-subjects in Ireland should not be able in Trinity College, and that being the case ti to obtain the advantage which their ooreligionista possessed no object but to perpetuate the separation a the, in England. The only question was as to the mode In Ireland. He complained of the statement of which the object was to be attained. There was great oh- gentleman as iedegnite, and in conclusion wank, jectioe to the proposal of the boo. gentleman to give a goverment that they had already, entered their charter of incorporation, with the power of granting degrees the ac ession of the motion of his right hoc. ft/I to the Roman Catholic University of Ireland. There were bee for Osmbridge Usivenity, against sei. protestant. as well as Roman catholics, who alleged Mr. MONSELL said he had never lists. that they had conscientious objections to the system with more perfect astonishment th,,, on t h e of education pursued in the Queen's colleges and Man, lie had often heard the right hon. g therefore the proposal of the bon. gent l emen IMMO mixed education, sod now he opposed s would not relieve the inconvenience felt which degrees were granted, they ran the risk of having bo b y n. gentleman had rebind, and they would a ll iu nb ud lio ucuticu , which tu that d am Th en again, if they multiplied the bodies enathemble Take e o c l h ics e to un g i i e ve cce s it ea y t o b f different standards by which candidates were to be tested, trawls: r o m a , gra m must be a member o f ter and the degree would thus lose its value. (Hear, bear.) En sod a great number of them were - The hon. geotleana was mistaken is believing that there ... ea . What the right hon. gentleman h. was any distinct presbyterial university in Ireland in which students of that persuasion could obtain degrees. He thought their children to that university. How could the the best mode of attaining the object which the hon. gentle. "'mixed education was that catholic parents gentleman under such circumstances presume te g mall bad in view would be to enlarge the powers of the He asked, would the right hon. gentleman vote Quote's University in Ireland by an amendment of the I Ling Roman catholic. into the governing body ot charter, so as to remove the restriction which now prevented the authorities from eonferring degrees upon any but those Mr. WHITESIDE—Certaioly not; it would be who had passed through me of the Queen . colleges, and city of Dublin ? tion of its constitution. thus adopt the system of the London University, which Mr. MON SELL—He had expected that •Deirdr, had proved no satisfactory. The particular method of ac- weed on to the real question, wh i c h was, w ho complishing this object required consideration, but he me nial working of our system of granting hoped that the hon. gentleman would be satisfied with this degrees. The Wt census showed t hat of the promise on his part that the government would devote classes t h ere were in I re l an d , Rem .. rat h, their best attention to the matter, with a view to donee testae* 5,799 ; preebyterians, 1,200 ; and is means for the removal of the grievances of which the him. and muerte receiving superior education gentleman bad complained. (Hee& bear.) Roman catholic., 6,262 ; protestant& 5,261 ; Mr. WHITESIDE said he 'greed with the right hon. 749. Bat when they came to the numbers . gentleman that the question was one of very great import• city degrees they found only 25 or 30 Roman cat mace, and it deserved to be rightly understood, so that they of • population of four and a halt might have a clear perception of the policy about to be over, did not indicate indifference on the part s inaugurated by her Majesty's government. He concurred catholic. to the education of their children, for with the boo. gentleman (The O'llonighue) that nothing that in school. of • superior cleat the proportion could be more interesting to the parliament of a free eatholics above the age of 15 was 42 per out., of country than the education of those who afterwards might blished church 30 per cent., and of presbyt be called upon to direct the councils and frame the laws of cent. He thou g ht the inference was that if their country g and he also agreed that education did not be obtained without any violation of asinine consist in readier books, but in that description of instate- time would be about the same. The obj tion which would strengthen the faculties, liberalise the blishiera the Queen's colleges was, first, b. mind. and brief it into harmony with the institutions of the education of the Roman catholic youth out country. The original motion of the hon . gentlemen for bands of the priests ; and secondly, to granting a charter to the Roman Catholic University was intellectual standard ;but what had been the plain and intelligible, but when he mime to the present eight per cent. of the Roman catholic yout motion be came to the conclusion that it was substituted for is schools under the management of prints, the purpose of enabling some minister of the crown to make professor of the Queen's colleges, imolndi a vague and indefinite speech, not defining anything precise Kane end several members of the sees* act or oaten, but which might be useful on the present occasion. sons to the schools of the Jesuits to be Mu' (Laughter, and "hear, hear.") It he were to ben.) Those hoe. gentlemen who spoke so loudly is.. choose between the indefinite conception of the of mixed eduatios took very good care to bare right boo. baronet, and the direct proposal of the and exclusive education for their own children. charter, he would decide for the charter, f or ra yons which bear.) Aad they sent them to these school' alttoeet t he would explato. The hon. gentleman said that objections education to be obtained there was by no mean eel. were entertained to the present system of university edam- that given in the great English schools. Be es I ties in 'relied by a large number of her Majesty's formed th a t i n m any th e s t u dy o f Greek we it • jests. That must be by a large number of bee Majesty's lowest ebb, and that Latin composition, ski* • subjects who desired to enter and were fit to enter so much cultivated in the English abode • the university. Now • mistake might be committed nearly as much neglected. Even mathematic., for el* upon this subject. A book had been published the Irish had such a remarkable capacity, wu not celled an seal/sin of the last mire& which the mark of the English schools. It seemed. theaml showed that whereas the majority of the moos of peasant. that hitherto the Qneen's oollegee bad justified Lad Rt and small farmers was largely on the aide of the Rama sell's prophecy, and had been not only null bat soda catholic, the majority of the other deems was equally in He d en i e d th a t th e proposa l o f hi e right h oe . kid favour of protestant& In the profession of the law the indefinite, for he was following the example whin MI 1 protestant' were three to nee Roman catholic ; and so in calved the ma gma o f the ca th o lic clergy in Belem, other professions, and among the manufacturers Pranoe, and in Austria. His right hon. friend aid, lei and membanta of Ireland, and even amongst the have a common asininity for the granting of degree skilled artisans of Belfast. Now the great body exclusive one would middy the utopias of Rona of the peasantry . were provided fur_ bY that ay.' ]fm, bat it would not give the stimulus of competitor. tem of mixed education from which they sever Wald feat his right how. mead w a s merely establinrn persuade the right hon. gentleman or his colleague to de. system which already prevailed in most of the part Why should they have another naiversity ? There countries of Eu r op e . were the three Queen's 0011ettee, so called, and the waiver- . Mr. ruchrhand y thoug h t t h a t th e ru men* • sity to which they were attached ; there was the college of tak en a vary extraor di nary enures *smooth, and there was the univenity which he hid the acknowledged the truth of the allegations upon honour to represent.ssat. If they looked back a little, they sa d t h at a large portion of the poop '. o f Wiwi as would perfectly understand the real object of the motion. tined acesoientious objections to the wenn Me° He did not complain of it in the ; beady wished it to be miramity educationeducationin t h a t coun t ry . a feet Min clearly understood what it woe that they were about to do, pod previouslypreviously(hawk but t h ey ram m e d as a tem* What he understood was that the Howe of Coalman was the catholic university of Ireland shield have the peek thie the this übjed. 7 asked to reverse the policy adopted by Sir B. Peel and the ma d* It, m o d e m, to the Queen's D i mwit, to be policy of the last 30 yeah. He was once liked by Sir m i me d f or d epose. Th a t was a proposal wheels mu James Graham whether ha had a dein to alter the charter d a d f arem w i t h the Roman ca tholic. of of incorporation for the University of Dublin , and he ea n h a d made over and over DO died tat h th e at had he did eoi no b t ee r a tend oe an to yi tis i z „d ea th % sew eect charter icool , Lela theed tedimmarwayscembelliorojeciiietedhupeln thc.r view Derby. It would be well for the home to mderstead the tlw nature of this grievants, sod he would address himself to petitiima,:d house, nothingwould sally the Roman catholic* members in particular. He wished to else maid to be denominational ; for teat The compromise offered by the government malt trace out for them how this question stood, sad what kw& roman entire failure. If they desired to eat would be the result of the inauguration rata new policy. of the Irish they most plies del! When the University of Dublin was opened to nonconfor. t h e ems firithig as otherdenominatime in regard 10 Watt and to Roman catholic, there was a panegyric pro• city edueedeu. nounced upon it by the late Mr. Grattan. The /ate Sir that university, It was inked how the Roman catholic g F ced ow ee ell ted ßm ie toL e and ble other ee gen oety tlmm eo en oe fro e m icec thie th co e oupentryeieghadot wanwholmVreathnotDpolairUNlCKLlet foc7cdnornitchh.dideteelitstedirt:th:tiwicotht:igietvhQueenel%. sleep were to be educated, and it was proposed to establish 24 °I a lamaisaalY high, good, and Practleal el b u rg ' : Ro iu ma wh n iuh eath mu oli n c ui lai t t hl y m t et ruligi n uu D s u huu blil d and bu dn edu w estud' up 1•84/sea r iPliel "abalaPaa L tioanD a . lioa t n tietbellad:l2c steadil y th e leading . 711 s P petition to the Irish parliament, which was presented • Isy ed --- " and „31 - 7,.1..1Y.1 the id to Ms. Grattan in 1795, and in which were pointed out objets 11.2.%__'""""•, who bid the dvantap of it far theo sa to Ream esthetics being educated apart from the • mas of gentlensen of other religious, an d th e pet i t i mera life which the, Wife digitised to all. With e n --- pe stated that there could be no reel education unless lateltai°a„„;waL„lllaaganaaahrar of a bethought D'DMlKC' ta" t• lit were freed from all external induces and restraint, and •"' a aa ws 4 oll thee declared that it would be a great reiefortune to ti the gran ti ng sad A sa rate the youth of the country late two elsesse—om to be dace educated in one_ college end the other i n ma m a , The by the Home Secretary met the conscientious . parliament of Ireland 'refuel, upon that w ow . he which bad bun urW, and plead Roman catholic. a establish Maimed' as as exelemin emnioary, eel *ma to diPlemee end degrees in the same tooting rod e!„. d y oB egrees e l e s the isy w it h cd o Pda become ece w to ure be er udaiubl ed alas ece ivia ted andl t. ae ch r li e i a t erta kai ragasa id alla xame. W h e I Whili friend, i tte was wisred ill it t. t n o " be tuld 6u eresuPPutocircttthhautriunaidid ooi ue was ' la the faults which bad been toned with the sy e tai i : i Sir R. Peel did, and he admired his greet for clod college epee the vett rats,ommementau moth , eati cee =the fee teen's colleges, of which he • interested in the education am& a body. For mom peon Mr. O'REILLY add, held Raman catho li c be past there had been further berpromments made In the Uni. th rewEbreekthe world held that not oell it ..,nairfte 'amity of Dublin, am did sot believe that Nwthea•ths dwmg° • , tuatie° ,.._ . rot would be for the benefit et the Room catbcdici tbeinselven ."'•• education that their some should be prevented frem Weeding at that Pee use, te• men re Frame,. formally dea ler the university..... founding the three seer ni =s c 4 Bid . • that, whilst instruction should be deocuittaticed, . CusipThi'leouuofopert:rupoinN' Cork, and u waa Sir und L ersta rl l to say u" that Pria the . anomiegTbernit°lllFaletammateititwodoswitakeedYrtid ss 1 to :Ihtetheeibuiedueceiiffinicall"tiimmObi. pree m b . yteriass wßrize in ika mi rt o lo t tua! l tha t t . o3in sa 1:1Z; that dia. I by P reksamil . aa usineitlywbo battbobiebllthmainretlia tiesticia had POWS tip as to tern* reunite in the collie s ge ina d ea rh ea seem ls Ill e j a ah m aillaiDieg e o th a ba u -T m ee rg avai ty l t of Belted, as isemparel with Galway and Cork but it wee D s hi mse lf had graduated la the University of has' m peplu , " the aharD•wiatad ilr° nor b e d es" that he — hoped that he sad other catholic memo if *1 rOll4O wee the vgrl thing while th ey weekrie meek would not he idlest le Kbegalley le Wilt ..Atr7 fact, .011 Starr 0013C41 • of me • dome A they war' KU il the more Rome, throe Iv .fb4 they with; as far favour up Solic state 'ow, it Ir be right he could Nuppoee •• $O. 'MC' , ergt so fel It we, ly we be vil hea Tr liberal iadii relig td fault A be make • At. TIN estkolia kla the [ am shoinasiaso aided Oa to Do mums by the s ssystionog 'a college the Quo beep aftsams apes nasat ths 1846, sal oar Room IMlrsdl that had ea vassal subject, LI os of sly Roos sotharll oonnadic authorial reauntun woe C bad bac aadgalia !libido that --- Quote k. aad Mar sad [ &x i I nods ids rig older a g• of Ilse to la 'bid' i lonaostee he migh gelt• oi *ad it tit be s• a ati les IN _ hem. h : v : o taw po hos. f ty low of w to • H, hed soothe for 15 et %Hog w It on mast 1 Nod/ 111 . 4 117 , 1 POPS I prop Myr I __. s l aut l i Av i d i l r e ta : a c t . .i thabi. l e beili w o:id o e:: : P l trn m d tt it alg esisii° l : 7 "l 7 e . ,sudatie7l. e wbob.. "7"jia f te 7iiie t h .oirthii ii : T h idt l ' deg but what wig - Zj e . w o r r man who had . t which to Moak. • ked ww Oxford. gad b, sad had 1 61d taken plea be breget jot '' Len Mr. rip, tk and h• legated tisk . bed iree , should he ease h IMP Iliad o wl lustre in Trisity • this goo ✓ belong to the gbh our Wang, and then tad emit a Bowe i i apiPB w ; e i n tsh w iebl o hi r bld t w h ai l w ri '" ., el dsad rit s ""'lmilladawd _. 466ba.l: Den to all; wad sebc.' several Boma • • on Ion" ateatial Iteacers..This eissetioe of Ike, were overly ag eau r e l e g m erth roc re were thirty . • ezerelesd tica scholarships. bePoNitt cf the three Qu m ' der gas nay it nen eoterad the mired e(icels. /NH" y formerly did; sad Mead eonoss ag by Agee who had Mew thapi wished to put an salts the IMO° leer, beer.) Be woks '• te gersT oat nn' Molex themselves to are world god enlightened gen: , of reglaed desire to with • • • a.. which I the bongs was • • -• aggnanni° the ground tb " 14 . 1 . 2 . casNcsuc interfered with • deb. boo. me that it did. Thin . to est u to the ROMA% ) b og . or r soy sort Mows.. Bo • r em Maur bat it would be meg b e e th e y wet' roan the cradle to the •• . m d ec oecy pupae of axes. ' were at all m WY e wrong and the gage by to *lnd • d own . 1 - 4 'MAU, to Dula 1.7 the more hai red mix up with theft el . b e topsi d e el y intaroeurse. law, tar ' _ th e more demon as theould ~. R ome, cog the ease t hey Sand ibeille separation at thereat , gte e statement of dangle . conclusion would Mai d eep ady mitered their pm* h e t th e y is right hon. fried ths ' w they gamut sectaries ad • • ••• w leh ae fax , d never listened tea with favour up yet than on the peeved . ca rb o li c Is right hon. petters bad state low he *Probed • Peon , • Now, t who education to Mir nn.. • . but it Is f Dublin, to which the : for if he I, and th ey would 611. 4 rd hit right member of the shoal . he cooid if them were Prolsaul es to suppose . gentleman looked spa • m i d ee r e re goal stholio parents should . . y, -*• moo ly. How could the den Ma friend Mures presume to give • tioo, on. gentleman vote fee ; , to soc governing body of Me 0 d 1 ,, Rem • dild boo. mei ily not; it would be s be mould gil g Re 21 : 4414a ~_,that t bon. gent! ion, weirs wee, whet re 1 ,„„i 0 ,, of rhi Intern of Panting ' eppeered t wed that of the • e s w h o l e ant Romeo cathrlice, •3Z , not in fe no, 1,200 ; and in . bat mu parlor education then • ,• .ly we octants, 5,361: • tight to be VI the numbers taking, Meer, bee 25 or 30 Roman cathera that Tel a half millions. The, 'my liberal nrence on the part el . u an iodic I their children, for he • t religion clue the proportion of ' • mom thing was 42 per cwt., of the the walls a 1., and of presbyterbas Z ere con m u l e once was that if dates ' gag Melt lesion of cousciesos the • • system e an iii:g cl if geoo owli? :: e l Y y of , :s°lt ro Wou llaN tbb. d isig edi°a rt. makluwf i b l s i tat had been the result Snot mamba an catholic youth were • whisk the ement of prints. sad . dii colleges, iecluding Ear • ' to eOh of the sees* actually Nit by the fasciae to be eduestM. ai • r e ce n se . in who spoke so loudly iR fa. enthee, • • - I • / ' I d k •