The Express. — London, England, 1850-02-22 00:00:00

I'ERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDB.—ThvIMDAT, Pis. 21. 11, Lours Ca Malt lb ma *pea dia Wasisark el II **slosh. PETITIONS PRESENTED. NATIOVAL IDETATIOX Osmium:). —By Use Marquis of DOWN SEIRL Irma a plass is Irelaat‘ scam. dm ayes** Si aatisaal eausatimms. Pools Law (Isarrua).—Ry Loa STARLIT. ham sk• Waal M samara si Balawd«.•S• 1 • 4411141 kik Pew kw. THI SLAVE TEAM 11bb1,14 OILFOSD mewl the reoppdatasot et stamina Ish set best sessiso. W wriArs tbe beet mew ,Uey.itNnS the elm mos.—Aimed M. The Deka of RICHMOND NSA the stessliso tbe lease is *a solidest el die dieldbeeloa el mesh fes wastes sossesosais by sea end hal Is Ms mos between 1715 god *514. Ibe sells lobe &semi urea boseekteemy el greeting meieb Mktg tboslo=l.l:seisssuis keteoses, ever is slime osvel est melees ef MUM =cc Ha Ibesibt ell ..be boll imbed tbs.- *elm ea esseisos el porn ovaikt W lush, as egad semi of . acharedearawas. Esd GRIT magma that by She pommisht at the day swish had how glom to the saleser Wiens sad aaea is nay UM dr9 OlEifediel ressived than. It wee scresoalr advisable, Wks a at 10 peals, to altar the dad. okra takes whoa all He widen* wee fresh. That prearid- Mg, his hardship adds& amid be squirmiest is a WO a 11110.1“ OS Willa 11111111111111111 adesiaiewatioas, who bad at the dase dosilsed to resammad the sea. of medals Ihr ear- tai odious. Ti. Doke of MILLINGTON itatowd late 1081111 &WM of th. Nano dist had bass adopted is them pot is essise ;as lasserary mama sod desseetims Ise enviers la war. Lard COLCHESTER thought *aegis soverelea was the lountala of larmear, mad septa to dirme lY moue. Parlia ment was amt the plan te ester hate debate upset ladividesl samisen The Marquis of LONDONDERRY thanekt that by in- Iranian tbo mister they wouid diadaisit the noise of thus. diatinetioas. He laved they had heard the last of the subject. The Duke of RICHMOND weal& make so poetise of Muse abetimuse, but allowed the matter to drop fee the preasot. RAILWAY ABANDONMENT BILL. Oa the minim of the Earl 08-ANVILLE, the order el the day tee the home essolvWl itself Into committee de this hill was dieclurpd. la order *at that bill might be refined to • select committee. INTRAMURAL SEPULCHRES. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE led on the table the report of the oommiseloases applaud to inquire into intra mural sepulchres. IRISH POOR LAW. The Earl of DESART said that the peados which the noble lord (Stanley) had just now read to their lordships, might sins as a pretence to the mod= of which le had given notice. He would ratified their lordshin of the vital importance of the questa& whisk he was about to being forward as to Ireland. It was a gawks epos which hung, sot Italy the well being of my one claw, bet upon which has( the nano of pro perty. et all the interests, aye area of lib itself is Ireland. Itav;ng dew/eased the'lrish poor Isir as not only so utter failure, bet men fatal in its comnaencos. the noble Iced said the manse of the import of the poet had in creased free 1,900,0091. In 1848. to 2,007,000 in 1849. The debt. dm, isdapendent of the debts to 'covenant, wen, in 1848, 268,0001., and In 1819.613,0001. Even in pronouns districta the oocupien of cottages had the stock upon which their malamute depended mired for rates, and were reduced to paperista. He contended that every district should sup port its own poor. Emigration ought to be promoted—not the emigration of thole who, !swag a little capital, fled with it hem the country; but of dues who would not mat is the regeneration of the country. Free trade tad completed the ruin of the occupiers of the soil. The noble earl then proposed resolutions to the effect that the misting poor law was utterly inadequate for its purposes, had }godsend ruin and bankraptcy, driven capital out of the country, and paralysed the saga of bale krone sad landlords—end that lee permaosat peer law mesa weY be effectual with out orates to the niasille eta rag to all slums Of popes. The othie ked by modag— tee ohat wan the meal= et the milks per Is. the n ovena a smay amkb lave hem bust elk* kr the mask al the make= sal era while the met 1 1:= . 1111ad Os oesempilek Ms purpose, k bee grabasul lassbnilar awl nal le wme Mark% kw drives imolai eat of the mato Sod has estssflsi aM tie dbrie of toms sad fa& That it le C ab oX d icseof this hews. ant those alsolthibbavenoshot Pm the woman el the Feet kw Ink sad Os el a swim et ent-lew nest thst time ad smainallial; real it Is farther *Or stlinitio that Pormommt epee= ihr the relief of the peer OS bi ISTViId set In Inked eadp rod Weeedally is receivers or pawn without a rears is the seine et the miginal kw. hy • mkt appl ause el isi.dwir rend i se damn et wpm The Hayti, of LANSDOIIIIII apposed the resanie. and delloaded the pressat ma en the tha k etharld Wth widish it had ever been jsedisi—the isevi ascomity et est-deer relief. He moved OM the home should poised to the ceder of as day, serrarfog their lordships that so alert skald be wend is ether Ie name the original prioepts the Irish poor law. Lord YONTEAGLI said it would weer as if Worms ties had bees withheld ly the povensment for the purpose ▪ iseseselag the preesst Losession. Bme sakes were rs pressated as being fa as isaprined waditios, that the state ment Wise ti ltd the inartistic& of the number of persons taints, relief sad the nasal= of expenditure whereas the truth tor , that away Shama& of pumas lad beta struck off the ragas' is ossowassee of the flab or ithisporition Oda goversaesat W make theassm il l regretted sot to be able to dissever say symptom of improve ment he the sessay. His spuds& was, that lees Inman = s l y wesid have sainted. ad seen peruses mold have died, Has set-door relief had been afforded. Be supported the ressisties. The Heel a WICKLOW said the seem per law was a m eth, end soder the cinemas's , essth set be disposed L,rd ABINGIft was ethelseed that the evils a Inland had been ampanted by the peor-law. The Berl el OLKNOALL said that if soznathier wore set ism Is redress the evil et the poor-, there caul& be are lege of amendment In the state of Ireland. If the system a entither relief were set altered, the ermatry would go to destrastina. The Earl el DEVON anal ace eeriest to the withdrawal of rat-deer Mist, although magas bat anamity wield peaty sash a measure. The Hari of CLARK said that the conlinuanee 'tithe larions woad lacrosse the evil whisk the legislature intended to TIMMS. The Marquis of CLANRICAIIDS sosaidered all peer laws sontrary to sound paid's' meassay ; but the prissiple math not be abstained is the present state of Irelead. The present res guars* would seise Delano sad dianthuses : end although the state of Wisp is isms MOW' was mess pastel, the state of Ireland wee inprovlag, and he hoped that progress would not be interrupted by any unnecessary neastaas is that house. Lord III'ANLIT said, all admitted that rat-door Unsaleable at all, was tally to be defended oa the ground of unavoidable neimmity. His noble friend's 'isolation only west to the extent of condemning the perpetuity of out-doer relief ; and did sot demand its sadden and instantaneous withdrawal. He was glad the government did not propose to meet this gaieties with a negative, as the effect of that would be fatal la Ireland. He would vote for the resolu tions, if his noble Mead divided upon them. Earl GREY said the principle of the satiating law was that out-door relief should not be granted, except where no other seams of effecetual relief ex'sted. He cautioned their lordships splint discouraging the introduction of capital and the progress of improvement now taking place is The Earl of LUCAN said, that so keg SI the present poor law and free trade continued, the recovery of Ire Lad was hopeless. Lord BEAUMONT thought the statement in the mole. ties, that the poor law lad crossed ruin and bankruptcy Ia Ireland, perfectly true. The noble earl (Grey) who now eisensee to deny the effect of the poor law in driving capital eat of the country, had himself en • former occasion told their lordship =my of the emigrants not only paid their rdmosey, hot took oat considerable sums of money. e e ititted, however, that It would not be safe to depart from the priori* of outdoor relief at present, sad therefore could net vote tor the reeolutioas. The Earl of Dawes: then withdrew the resolution, and the hones adjourned at See minutes after 10 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.— TucasDAT, FES. at. The Bruns* took the chair at 4 o'clock. CHANNEL ISLANDS. Mr. HOME, who was imperfectly heard, was understood to sib whether the commissioners appointed to inquire into the mode of administering justice practised la the Channel Islaada had is yet mods their report, and if so whether say further steps bad been taken by government in the matter. Sit G. GREY said that the reports had been recited and had been omitted to the governors of the islands for sums %ions. Some alterations bad been made in the modes of pro cedure is Jersey, but in Guernsey the law wall executed an der orders is coaacil. There would be no objection to lay the reports as the table. ADMIRALTY COURT COSTS. Mr. A. STAFFORD willed to call the attention of the government to a recent sumo of salvor tried in the I.ish Ad. soralty Ceart. A vowel having been driven on the mast at Miltown Malby the fishiness of that place saved the ship. A sum of 8001. was awarded by the Admiralty, bat on set tle* the praefei 's bill the salvors Mead that all that wea tis omisj to Rama was 1181, the balance, 681 f., having boon sa by the expenses et the mart. (8e.,, hear.) Mr. HATCHELL remise& to inquire into the suttee. LAW OF SETTLEMENT. Mr. J. 8. WURTLEY said ha had heard that the poor law commissioners, in their recent report, had unanisously condemns.' the present state of the law of settlement sad nntoval. Ile wished to know whether government intended to introduos say immure bead on that report sully enough to admit of its toll discussion 1 _ ORKY mid that the mart is question bed esafirmid his *vial's previously sabistaitied that it smile bs ',Wiest, it sot seesseari, tos pillow Is awn- Ike ci the law of mettleseeat sad removal. The atteatioa of the soeumisiosers was *say dinetod to the abject, !.et he mid est promise say wean dating the mast moist JUVENILE OFFENDER'S SILL. Mr. M. MILERS oboditott lam to twiaj oi t e l . blillor, _ (...orotomolt @Clayton* Uto sorresiiss sal ECCLIBIASTIOAL 00101ISSION. 2L CROLIIILIT NMI be bad phial at Itis pipit asatisa to is s of m kr lions to twin it I bid to arable b Mr sodsdostissl ssamialsams, *a ciabialoil balm ado aad aspen% lams of Mato' Ylli iho a MIS of psis of at *a, to mos* lamas *rola dor sa *awl reat Amp (aloe saw poem* so eon math oad to spear bas, as tbsir wlw tbo elm* port so of sash vidasua, sarimaosibia s w at Maio el timi will" - is web moos Is doss ; if be ebeeddl kora dot insisarat isieisd to tabs up Ski quoits • its should aldidesw bis media. Sir O. Oarlsola Oat Ibis mar was Inaba be fa tie* mon the ISMAIIIIMNI ea dew& solotob Tbot wort woe soda osoilstatiso, asit IMO dletsestimides beo be. out to, pelage the hi.. bawd wad peeves, " - Motion withdraws. REGISTRAR IN BANKRUPTCY BILL. Os lb* surdas of Yr. alt3lllT, W kalMaring select MM. writes wee sealseted on this bill : —Mr.lleelezi toa ir J. Jer vis, Sir D. Derides. Sir J. Grahams, Sir W b b), Mr. Z. Dodson, Mr. Roebnek, Mr. Pool, Mr. Li , Mr. Bourrie, Mr. Wrightson, Kr. Walpole, Mr. Wood, Mr. Coekbers, and Mr. Seiner. RELIEF OF THE POOR.—ADJOURNED DETZ. Os tisk order of the day Mt tie resumption of U. ad. Whera.lite, Kr. • STAFFORD end. the right hem. the Sum soy he the House deportmeat bad expressed his sur prise that his het. hind the menden it, Baths had not alluded to the law of settlement. but there was not say ro ses why the right hon. geademea Kenai might B et tm Mee that subject is sommlftes. (Hear, ) he moth& embed the tight hen geatlemas that say attention Y the law of seWoment would very mu* alter ids ellithellet no to the distress ef the people. Is net, way elallbtles whisk left eat the highway rate woad He leeporliedy reproseat the *sedition of the people. He was asmaiebed to hen the right hos. hornet (Ws O. Choy) declare that Is his ninon the wages of the labouwer had hems *justly minced in these dietricts *me thug Maya sow reetrOn bet 61. a weak, *lees taste IMPS EM be p(otillS. Bat what right had the light leo. besemet, as advocate of free trade, to no. 811.01111118 quilt= di to the rate of ware, whether they were toe er ire bleb I Wilms the &hash farmer was expend le sompoliisa with ell the would they were told that it wee their israrest owl their tight to bey la the cheapest mad sell In the dome* market—(hear, hen)—bat was it comeitent with that gsbalede sow to say that as E were unduly rents* ? fag r• priociple were ast cable to wager to weciffting ens it wee walk (Hear.) The right hon. bonnet bed alio referred the hoes to the grimiest returns to prove the improved orthillea of the seustry under free trade, and had quit* item • 111110.11 of the boaoarabie and learned 11110014itt is weld It was stated that the number of aftelaals la 1849 wss esseidellably WS than ia the preview year, bet he (Kr. gallegOgill set wadentand the Recorder as draw* the same Memos hem the het se the sight hoe. baronet had hawed hem ft, aid the this resses. the Iteserder was fully aware that 1848 was the yyeoaer of the chartist disturbs** Uhl* had tended eesidmebll le odd to the number of Medea awns. (Hen, Mee.) He (lle which had jut bed Iles* is his nail am said aesteasat, proved that the Alminatiot aims bad net ben woo& The re tries mi d ire cost ly d Duthie% sell the result was that the mine of the stain. whisk la 1846 was 23Y1, had then is 184 to —(" hear," and • laugh)— sad the ember of vagrants from 2,262 in 1845 to 6,684 la IS*. (Rear, hear.) The hoc. member for Maachester (Sr. Bright), altar stating that the crimisal returns of re m* years were lowest in 1836, and highest ie 1847, asked bow, with that not before him, say num could persevere in ad mitting a system naught with misery, demoralisation, and mime ? but the hon. gentlest* seemed to forest that in 1836 there was • stringent ears law, while in 1847 the free trade was is operation ; he sight therefore fairly retort co lea gentleman—how as you ontiewe a system so fraught with criminality ? (Loud protectionist chore.) The hon. gondola* also assorted that when cora roes to a remunerating price the winded relents were highest—if the ▪ gentleman meant by that to say that • remetheratin rice was inseparable from • large mown of crime, the tree in/roses was that they ought to abet" aca? v a aria l is this smutty andetese. (Hear, hear.) boa. friend (lit. Disraeli) interne* an eitemene steams the right boa. gestlonan " Oh, it le se gig** a maws that I outset deal with it, I asset Ulm it fate consideration " but when his hon. hied brought Y a neaten of less "neat, then the right hen. fieded mil, " Oh, it is only burps*, an acre, why make so moth talk about that ? " (Rear.) All that he (Kr. Std. isia sses eeeld draw wu the Wand , that the right him was at heart convinced of the judos °Moir end as he had nudge better to say, he sendemended ft theas shallow artifices. (Hear, ) The debt lass. Mewed said, sow that all those meetings were wear of sysk they had heard so much, he wee glad to lid diet the Isa gentles= (Kr. Disraeli) had gives up ell idea 'of a roma to easeistion sal that the nopeskin bad, al hr all, &Arad Aiwa M Thin Ins it within bed bees thesepatinas meetings. bet esMueitsed me by the isilerds, es hes. _ _ but by the teethe insan, at whist they (the meths egrisaltersi inn ben) thee embed to de their but le reeds le • yesesi des spin. They hod in ommifoonso Ileseght the teethes le In ids et the opening of the endue, est bed been de. Mod by a Wipe dejonty. (Others.) sadtheugh he was set Messed to deny that the misority had impatient rights, he hit that they she'll sever be exercised to the prejudice of the public busin sad it appeared to tte n- ein the dismission of ess, an *street niestion is thehim hat face of such a majority as that by whisk it had already beta defeated, and whose inn was not doubtful, was to reduce the House of Comma's to the pint of a debating society, a coarse which he would never sanction. (Haar, hear.) Bet though derided se far for this onion. the ques tion of pretection was by no gnus settled. (Hear, hear ) With duties on better, *sere. timber, and manu factured articles, bow amid it be said the question was settled ? The farmers dashed, and the assertion had never been matroverted, that the agriculturist had not free trade in laad. They said, "We have • right to deal with the commodity of bud as we Ouse, but yea have tied our hands is respect to malt, hops, sad is ether things you have prevented or doting** air owl sensuldities as we wish. • thmelan, sett yea dad with these ashen es your ewapdedglu, /we sea yes yeessusee thieved's& i" Re sew came to • pert of the solgest en which W the Bewerary of State for the Keme Deportment eneeplebed that the member foe Barldegkasashirs had teethed bat lightly. He was sorry the right hoc. lad so cLsely followed the example of a lee maimber for Buckinghamshire ; for anything MN slum then his alien= le lotted, be (Mr. Stafford) id sew heed. (Prolselidit sheen.) It would he hit plied duty bestirs the hems on the state of Ireland — et eil emus, es tilt pit di with which he was intimately arrested—in add tees the Irish members who intended to vete egoist aay reddliseetio of the poor laws and local Imatiss es real pigsty shield be able to get up in the he and say =s o y believed the present state of the miuntly simpaid . (Hear, hear.) He took the este- Kiehmest thanes to Inlaid to amount to 289,0001. He leek the law at about 36.0001. • the collectors' pedals rate et • and the adminisiration of justice at abaft 66,0001. Altogether the mermen was about 490,0001., which he propised should be granted to Inland by treadlarriag dun charges to the eou imbues& tend. (Hear, hear.) ll* hoped the right ban.lllllll4llll foe Irel and would lay before the house a elelseted el the Teal Indies et ths south and west of Ire bad. la the dessithe he wend state whet had come to his Insowledge es that ethiest. Is • letter he had recently received from a mow In which he could plus full reliance, with regard "Boma the madition of the county of Clare—the writer said ; 'Boma Elm** of the eonmment were talk ing of impeovetheat hi the mit ant west of Ireland ; but the daily edema ef ear seems shows the utter absurdity of those statements. The diminution in the number of out door paupers shish he taken place le causquent on the numbers whisk have bees sweoff the relief' books by the withdrawal of the order of t he Poor.law Commissioners, whisk allowed relief to the able bodied. There is no change let the bitter to be gathered from this apparent reduction in the neither of *upon We had the week before last a elk ion Mr. —, the local inspector, but there was no I nod it ban to p r each economy to us, the whole balance in ism issiolohoi 1671., whin we have to pay the contractor (who lonia es ready ma) for meal 1451. a week, and the sheriff le In the house with an execution. Of 120 applicants who Is one day for relief, all ware refuted, tram then no meal to g lue them." Lord J. USSELL—I non that the secounts were ur teemed'!" from the county of Clue. (Hen, hear.) Mr. STAFFORD said that under thus ammoniuse be would heave the county of Clue and take the noble lord to another county—the county of Limerick; sad he believed be would not be stating any novelty to the noble lord if he read a resolution pus* by the Limerick board of guardian', because, if he were informed correctly, a copy of that 1 resolution had been forwarded to the government by direction of the board. The guardians therein expensed their regret at the ins-statements made in parliament to the effect that poverty had been on the decrease in Ire land, and said that the poor law roans were not a fair criterion to judge of the state of the country, inasmuch as thousands of persons not on the oat-door relief lira, were extremely destitute in many parts of Inland ; and the member of the board who proposed this resolution stated, at the same time, that there were 16,000 people resident is the city of Limerick, in want of the eonsoa necessaries of life. (Hear.) But he (Kr. Sta ff ord) wished to ask the right boo. gentleman, the Semo _fee Ireland (Bir Sumerville), whether he had not ved additional evidence, besides tkft resolutioo, In proof of the great extent of distress existing in Ireland. Had not a report been forwarded to his office, that bands of people, to the great dieturbones of the public peace and the violation of property, had paraded the streets of Li merick in each numbers, that it had been found abolutdy aseeisery not nay to oft oat the polies but the military Had in the cry of this nirguidet, deluded and deludieg pe " breed ce blood? Was it sot tilt opinion di oil amses in that city, that the total stance of oommente ▪ the pest of Limerick, eampallig the merchants * mho their workouts. had been the menu of the outbreak ? e.) He deeply sespetted OM the hes. member hoc tr a i r ty ef Limerick woe sat to ri bet if any hen zoloaboo for the wed d Idled skonld that night vote agebset the pseud mite It was sincerely it to be hoped that he would the ant sale the need why did so, lost he ▪ Ltd he=hslieve this he thought the present Aped shield ensinse, or that he Pm' idea a y m d ihnessaysety this to 'Mood. Sim , aitegi rhea died died pallesis, sessuated without th rot gas yeeleetisid) THE EXPR FRIDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 22, 1850. side of the home vetoes& to separate the question of Inland ban esesideration ea the present osessies. (Bsi ama oiegia4pof Pent tined that Isla* . a g; A " s e w Zedlith 'plea tue lafteend to he the to= Mee tae eltitemes—the vied* bl o battior efts mg exploded wens whisk wield make the v a s : imprea heme mos* and em org:Zsexisus "Meth width would weak by the adihneldi of adds of fe 2gsVty tree. wt A t t row *cystsvtlediesaiveziejahes 111113 rpulii=e7; bee preen en that to be Wo begs* party in = " hensu—a swig twig Wheaten billembnatisa spina then They basest ftemit)we SO be ea ialOugieg re = in this weany—it party set pledged to this et AO hapset duty. bat dowdy, Inns trusted irrovembl, pledged to that matins end somprehessive polity whisk bad simo nises& ow nestshises empire. (Chien.) Mr J. GRAHAM agreed with the hos. paths= who bad jest me dews (16. Stafford) that the peed= sow under disown's was a very largo sae, rt ba *might it weld be oserewod within the limn which the hos esembet kg Besidsglissesaire (Mr. Diana) hod wedded, he should ban boss windy willing to rust Wm vote ea the pressed amain es dut spoon of the right hos. basest the Star twy ire the Reese Department (Mr G. ONO, tee ho sow Moroi that thee ape* had met doe mean in a deer, orawbesin, and someniesodve swam. (Cheers Int 1110 salaidsdalists, sad &dein laughter from Pe prewidiedsw) There wad be so doubt that NM pistol Amine had bon made to him sad 'then with whom is spool he Soo Is the souse of the donee, sad however pied wash diadem must be, yet it tooled see be triton thatedlse, he wgluesas iden prep eat, net oily is M interest at by projs, and with the Wan gentry of t h is vestry—'( elhons)--mot that if he &said, teas a sons of drily, ken WWI co W. Jaw on the ogrisaltural news; they mitllt have the owe- Inn of hoiswing that he bad, et all neon, merlieed his sea Wendt Limbo. (Conies& neon) Under then sireemsesales, he hoped he mishit Peen • pant, if not a to ruble, hearing. (Hew Ms) Mosso West to »- meek, that he did not th ink ;his weeedeSSIPPI be taken cm the sinew grounds on whisk it had been it shoal& be takes by the has member Sr BodftUseskire. He had thought as hose the ameassonasn. Whet be had heard during the debate had greatly osallesedl ism in that improsias; sad he wee saddled that the gowns they were sew Mining web as Leos than this--whdded Ws) would sommens ma andire review of the wiede ie VlG deed bur dens, of tide country. (How, Isar, sat life did sot believe there wield be mini dined from I. the ird hestesce, if they retied Pe es ft bad bean by the Ms amber it ors but t hi n sammeamemost of a owns Mpropeldne he was about to luendsee. It was pito am &Widest they were new dismiss was but a frogmen of that large measure whisk had hen poseeed SO swim in the grass ; it was bet delarairs is Pee that which had his. put prominently helm them is he Wirt salsas last swam (Hear, hear.) It wren the 11111111001111 the peorratessely they were discus sing. They IMO dieressing the wassris of the county rate also, kr, let Ibsen= of the debate yesterday, it had bean wend, chat the Asa was to treader to the con sdidated land the satire coonty rate, and this alone involved a wain of 12,000,0001. (Hear, hoar.) The Ids .usher f. Bwkingkomehire had told the house thee, hig the sake of, amuses% he discarded the laud N. from sonsidenedest ; bat the ,qusstion of the land tax was issivel is the debate—nay more, the malt tax was (awned is it. (Hoar.) He wished to put the question tb. IMO disowning with puke. candour, and it was this—w sem 18,000,0001. or 20,000,0001. should be transfereed from lad to the consolidated fund. (" Hoar, bear," sad ehown) Now, this was a question of immense assaitude. It 'evolved the whole question of our fiscal arranges she, sad the reversal of the policy which within the lest 6 or 6 years had been deliberately adopted I. this sountry. (" Hear," and renewed cheers.) Nay more—it iavolired not merely the reversal of the present policy, but it iavolved the question of a cheep , of administration. ('' Hear hear," from Lord J. Russell.) • noble duke, in another , piece, had frankly avowed what was the intention of that , the importance of which had not been un duly ma p p s i r ld, and which was paw ned has Its numbers. sad station, and Doane:ion with the soil of the Baited Kindel& That noble duke had said frankly what wee mean. He told us that the object was to tan oat the genreamart, to revers the present policy, and to reimpose penestioa. Let the house take that ad- Weiss items:lm with the frank avows' of the hos awns he Ileilthaemosbira is that house. What had the has. somber NM His IS Tuesday night ? He said then wan as olternades—ehat they nom either reverse their pe Soy and Inns to proteedon, or that they must revise their tomtits awl redistribute their burdens. Nothing was more true; ami the noble duke in the other house added that he greatly preferred the first branch of this alternative. He (Sir J. Graham) did not hesitate to avow that wan 'widely, Wanes had "Bitted the landed interest with onsiderable diificulty and distress. (Loud protec tionist aborts.) Bat, in granting the relief now Use tenanteusur would express very 21Ct i' views from the bon. member for Buckingham shire es to the immateriality of giving that relief to the owner or the ocepapier, he In the long ran if it were given the landlord woad be the gainer, and sot the tenant from year to year. The bones Auld recollect, too, that poor rates had last year hales is England 15 pr east., and that the bards. of the sand pew in Scotland had diminished. But, after ell, the peat gesdin was—wasx the, recent policy with respeot to tenths as ho moved, sad were the burdens en MS property to be Omni apes labour and industry ? There was neither equity am justice hi the plan pro posed. Lot the lines reeolleet that the interests of sad sommeres wars Mendell, and that r a re: insisting bargain ever made by the intense was ink ia 1819. He then reminded On loan boas et Pena ankles which entered largely into the been= and mss aspi=c of the humbler closes, and which bad ordempons a wedgies or duties of late years. These won dasher, Widen baths, these, soap, coffee, sugar, 110111•18, entreat', rabbis, and spirits. Now were those mines feisty selected ? Did they not enter into the 'boo kie aseuesseiss it the bulk of the people, or were they to be eansidored only as awns of their consurapdos ? What was the anent el the inns that thus articles paid ? More than the Steens of the Missal debt, more than 28 millions a year, more His 10 siding a year. Then eleven articles yielded to the exchequer about 31 millions a year. They talked of Junes they talked of equity. Was there justice, was then spin in transferring from realised proport7, not tree lied wily, but from realised property in Ito hill enesat, was then justice—was then equity—in tressilswing burdens from that realised property to the IsvaAhltir dames, both commercial, manufacturing, and &gri mace:el Bat was this harden se affecting land a pre =j s ed woe atden ? The valuation of real property, in the currescy, w 61 million in 1913. It roes to di rein= about the year 1846 is the restored currency, awl at ohs t moment it had risen from 85 millions to 90 Apia, was this all ? There was a remarksble fact as to the proportion borne by land. He was now speaking as a landowner. The proportion borne by land, as contralieinguished from other realised property, consisted of canals, docks, railroads, all connected wi the realty, though net land. Taking the entire land of England, la the year 1824 land ben 05 per cent. of the burdens, and other realised property 31 per cent. They dimmed this quid= in 1844, and the proportion of land had thee fallen from 69 per ant. to 62, and the burden on other realised property had risen to 42 per cent. What was the statement made by the Secretary of State, sad was land stow progressively in a worse position? Quite the con trary. Fiveyeare had elapsed, and the burdens of land had fallen from 62 to 42 per cent, and on other realised property it had vises, he thought, from 48 to 55 per cent. Now, it right be said that We was unfair, that it was not a fair re preesstation, because they took the area of England and did as take it se between parish and parish. Now, he would state en thing he could speak coofidently of, that if they west into any parish land was not rated up to its full value, while all other property was rated up to the last shilling. What would they my to railroads? (Hear, hear.) The boa. member for Manchester had stated a most remarkable fact, he stated that In 3,000 plinths. there bad been in 20 yea's an outlay of 200 millions of money. And look at the effect of thatentlay es bearing on the question they wen now arguing. There were 3,000 parishes in England ; the poor rates in those parishes were 800,0001., and railroads were rated to the extent of 260,0001. out of that 800,0001. But did it stop there ? The railroads were rated to every local rate—to the poor rate, to the highway sate, and, if he mis took not, tothe church rate; while they added nothing to the burdens and prodated no paupers, apd they increased the value of land by the outlay of capital and the increased demand for labour. These things beluga*, surely his hon. Weed might pause, if there was such a thing as ounenca pradasee. He said it was not for their interest to open this question. Local burden' were becoming lighter and lighter, if they left it as it now was, He had said. he did not deny, that at the present moment the landed interest was labourits under difficulties, and some one bad spoken about his using the expression showhere about the passing cloud, and he was asked what was the price he imputed to be realised. What personal good management could affect the hoe, bonnet exemplified by his own expe rience, the poor rat*, county rate, and highway rate in his neighboarbood haying been reduced from 30 to 40 per cent. sines he came into his property 1822. The Inc.ewed imports of guano and application for inelo.ure bills showed that agricultural enterprise was still lively. Land enjoyed many exemptions from taxation. Nothing was paid by it on do nuts, while personal properties had paid 60 millions in legacy duties gins 1797. Stamps, servants, rebid's, and horses wore oho exempt from duty whelk they appertained to land and agrisultan. The reliefs to which tho landed in tense who fairly entitled were the alleviation of burdens that checked improvement. Among these were the duties on bricks sod Slather. If the income tag were reenacted after its 'aphides next year, some claim might also be urged for • revision of schedule B, which fixed the farmer's profits at half his rut ; and even of schedule A, where no allowance was made for the landlosi's expenses in ropers. Let them best eisaornise the expenditure of the oonetry—let them endeauer to avoid the necessity in time of pose of impala' an income tax ; but if, Co a large, view of the interests of the country, it were thought bettor to reicapow it, let the landed interest, whole they came to debate the question, press these points to which he had referred on the principles of justice, and he thought it would be found they had a just claim for mike If time did not fall him he would cone to the gaieties of settlement, which was a moat important branch of the poor law, and they could not disturb the poor law without entering into that question. Swim the distress of the leaded interest let him ask them what was the real coadition of the great sue of the people, with the exception of Ireland ? He spoke Daly of his own nee•ebourltood. He had re sided ever lime parliament roG as his state, awl was eemilesent with the audition of the nada' penis a hie nidnefeelee4 and he omit my that gesseally then had hen se et wages, ant be never mannered ee Mialltad neaten man the is pendeat to dkaarts Oi ". 114111 1 / I TO C /ti eseigeolen view to what fe lassly radar yen eyes, bet loth thread, end me what is moths then He wen grieved to beer Me km anither 11=11e ease sight raft. alma_ at Os mo tes sad lesmadel ikon la le Men dean alike hew sad wathallei end Ite ma ear the OW k• slapping% slime% et lest pro ductive el isinos to MN lanied aliesth wasomia his heart awl esnesimee ke Went, esseadve w lho newreeity of the enemy. The light la.. botent *ea seal ea soma foes. essitery report Nadal to the sate el the city of Ginpar, mbleb Med that eity at anon WY le from any =Lae woMftelotai were fall Menglentest, the and liehtdalf damn woes IPA sad there was tbewase• wreela e f a diminald sseetallty. Hada Nana te deal la least bones,lint he kid a conithat bird tort it wee tbet the Mown meld he Marna, that the manertiel Mein shoal nesper, that the mastanseing damn shoal he fully that yesepaity nisi* Si genstal, worm only Ik. istereet He weeldnot Wine that peemansatly, or he a adew the main sad ealtivatees of the soil want sot tthe bu s ee f ti:=l 4 jaaperiir astin - thr2ll4o said 1 . o T i r hs l iat tel in ilea( a desired agile to tlt r e makes. Mr. GLADSTONE eald—Coccurring cordially, se be ed, with his right hon. friend in the penal opinion he hod expressed with regard to the effect of our meat einsmadel policy baying uniformly voted with Ma shin the Maleness of the late mermen upon evuy portent nestles affect the trade sad the internal mann of the contry, and atiag as he did the greaten weak% to his authority, he felt It incumbent ea him le state briefly to the hoses the grounds of the vote whisk he iatesded to • insmanch as on this maks that vote meld be diffe rent from the vote of his right hoe. Mead. (Cheers from the opposition.) His right hon. friend told then that they were now really considering a change of administration, the Waster d eighteen minims of Wades to the onsolidated fund, awl the reversal of the ahoy of hoe trade. He (Hr. Gladinne) saw neither the one nee the other of these three Wags la the Manikin they were wiled upon to give. With men to • Ann in the &databanks., he must my, witbent enteeing We a pe- Waal Inessisa, that that was a Mph MI6 mein net to emir a perantant inflame genes denies on a claim whisk was win ea salsa Oland& Eat hoes the cos strenion he pat es the eLeen lbefirmeary of State for the Nem Dotatztosit, ma eadmossid that that was the peand alas by kr Msjoitfip getuestalat, becalm the right hen. told them that Means fleanolal state. meat of eke your wee predated it mall be rpm to the t M se eider soak of them topise upon its merits. Oft did hot seasirea :that by voting ter the motion they Mimi themeless ton. transfer of the 18 millions to the enseelidated fend. It was the practice to alum the house with the prosgem of ulterior meastins if they pasted paetiau measure, but the noble lord at any heal of the government had replied to such an argument that they must consider each inessure on its own merits, and not withhold that which woo just and rea sonable because it might be followed by that which was uof and unreasonable. Then with respect to the reversal of the policy of free trade — Sir J. GRAHAM here was understood to observe that if be used that expression it was not his intention to do so. What he said was that by this motion it we. intended to reverse the relief of the labouring elutes and transfer to them the bathes; on real property. Mr. GLADSTONE said he was glad to naive that expla nation, because if he saw in this motion that tendency which he thought his right hon. friend had discerned—a reversal of the policy of free trade—he certainly should hay. joined with him in °florins the firm. at resistance to it. The hon. member for Buckinghamshire urged that them was • considerable portion of the charges connected with the poor rate that might be transferred to the consolidated fund without abandoning the advantage of local management. Concurring in that proposition, he was willing to go into the committee, and consider which of the charge, desiccated establishment charges unelected with the poor rates, whether in England or Ireland, or in Scotland, under the term of expenses of management, might, without impairing the great principle of local control, be advantageously trans ferred to the consolidated fund. (Hear, hear.) He Will the more encouraged to do oo as his right bon. friend who spoke last, and the right hon. the Home Secretary, bad both said that this transfer would only be acting en a principle which had already ban established and affirmed,' , and the further application of which was only a question of degree, of policy, and of prudence. (Hear, hear.) He thought there wee some connexion between this pro posal and the commercial polity r.contly adopted ; for the adoption of this proposition would , tend to weaken the agitation for the restoration of protection, and to draw off from that agitation all who were =abeam is ' their views and less apprehensive that ruin was likely to be the remit of commercial freedom, and in consequence to diminish the chance orally formidable agitation for the reel- val of protection. (Hear, hear) The connexion between the two subjects was one adverse to the revival of protection, for whatever was now given to the fernier or the landed in terest, upon whatever plea or ground in connexion with his existing circumstances, was so much deducted from the items of their clam ; it was a part, if not the whole, of what agriculture had to demand ; and while deducting this con cession, because it was just, the fervour, stren, and force of th e demand would be dimlaished . (H gth ear, hear.) He should vote for this motion on the ground on which his right hon. Mood (Sir J. Graham) resisted it,—upen the around of its justice. (Loud cheers from the protectionists.) It was isniaceeiole to look .t the nature of the tax for the support of the poor without beiagstruck with the inequality of its incidence. (Hear, hear.) It was partway true it was impomible to have an exactly equal tax ; amain the 'recent expenditure of the country, the inequalities of one tax might be set against the countervailing and compensating inequalities of another. But this was a tax levied locally, and for • special purpose,—first, for the essential function of police connected with the support of the par; and, secondly, in diszharge of the sacred obligation imposed on us by our religion. (Hear, hese) The maintenance of the poor had been recognised in this country, not only as the dic tate of political prudence, but as We fulfilment of a religious duty. If so, it was certainly • duty applying to all classes of the community. (Hear, hear.) Therefore, in assatial justice, nothing could be more clear than that it wee desirable, as an abstract proposition, that property in general should is some way be made liable for the support of the poor. But it was objected, first, that it was impracti cable to rate penonal prop-rty So it was; and let them settle that question, if they chose, by converting the annual bill for exempting stock in trade into a permanent law, and so put an end to all further discussion. But the objection of impracticability did not apply to the proposal before the hone; that at all event' was perfectly practicable. (Hr, hear.) Though the hon. gentleman had been taun ea ted with its receemer imperfection, it was an approximation to (quality and justice ; and the impracticability of rating per sonal property could not be an objection to • plan which was obviously and plainly practicable. This was not a question between property on one side and industry on the other, but between certain descriptions of property on one side, and certain descriptions on the other. (Hear, hear.) It was said this tax had been inherited by the landed interest, and that, having come to their properties on the condition of being rated to the relief of the poor, they had no claim on the ground of inequality to relief. They were only seeking to be relieved from a small portion et that tax ; but how did the matter stand with respect to the inheritance of the burden ? They did inherit it. but they inherited it along with a protective system—(loud chute from the protectionists)-which gave to their produce au arti ficial value, which was as contrary to abstract justice as the inequality of the incidence of the poor rates, and which on that account had been properly and effectually destroyed. Bat, as far as the inheritance of the burden was concerned, if it had been more than compensated by the other inequality, the fact of inheritance could not be pleaded against them when the compensation had ben abrogated. (Hear, hear.) Ills right honourable friend (Sir .1. Graham) had raised another objection as to who would be the party relieved by the change. It was with the greatest deference and hesitation, on a question connected with the relation of landlord and tenant, that he ventured to entertain and express an opinion dif. firing from that of the right hon. baronet. Passing by, in the first instance, the case of yeomen and small independent occupiers, who were as much entitled to the sympathy of the house as any clue of the community —(hear, hear)—he would come to the holders of leases. The right hon. baronet admitted that, during the currency of the lease, the tenant farmer would get the bees& of the pro. peed change; but in regard to tenants at will, his opinion would be shared by few who were conversant, not with the legal, but with the moral and social relations existing be tween the English landlord and his tenant. He did not believe that, in one eau out of a hundred, the farmer who held from year to year would lose the benefit of the change owing to the grasping of the landlord. (Cheers.) In a change of occupancy, the landlord might get the whole or a portion of the benefit ; but he would not extort it from the tenant farmer under actual circumstances. (Hear, hear.) He said this, not from any mere abstract opinion as to the high character and honour of British g , nehmen, but from the actual working of the relations of landlord an d tenant throughout almost the whole of the country where the ordinary holdings were holdings from year to year. (Hear, hear.) The independent yeoman permanently, and the tenant farmer dieing the currency of his lease, or during his occupation, were the parties who would get the benefit of this change. (Hear, bear.) Even if a portion, or the whole of the benefit, might, after a time, owns to the land lord, the right hon. but. would hardly say that of itself was a fatal objection ; for he advised the landlords, whea the income tax should be re-imposed, to ask, not only on behalf at their tenants, but of themselves, for a removal of its in equalities—inequalities certainly net greater than those of the roor rate, which fell with its full force on real, and not at all on persenat property. The measure the right hon. ba ronet recommended would be one immediately, exclusively, and directly for the benefit of landlords ; this would be one frost which the tenant-farmer would derive benefit during a eisimber of years, and in a season of possible difficulty and dither. (Hear, hear.) As a financial objection, it was said that they ought to have the statement of the year before them, to know their actual surplus, and to consider the rela• aye claims of different branches of industry. He would not allude to the amount of relief this motion proposed to afford, es that could only be ascertained from a rigid investigation of the charges proposed to be transferred • all he said was he was disposed to consider what charges would be transferred from the load rate to the consolidated fund without impair. ing the *enemy of local management; also what charges there were arising incidentally ander sets of pat hament, inch as the registration sets, which bad no fair or aslant wax .xioa with the landi or real property, end erhisti it eres • mess injustlee to charge apes I see sow that professors of agriculture in Scotland are r,,,ti them. (Hear, beer) Beyond that he did not go, sad lag the &etch farmers-the growers of oats-that te,i - ,. Menefee* Goad form so estimate of the animist of relief corn can be brought into Eagland et 12s. • o , a ,4;L'a legto be gives ; bat the feet that they did sot know their it is impossible for them to compete with the meg a ' e li„ - .'w, ss was so stimulate reason tor miming a skim juin in the United litotes, and they are giving the farmers --":," i . (Rear , hear.) He wee prepared to advocate and information at the very time when the prices of lndi m - ,„ 4 press that claim the grated of its justice, believing that in Liverpool, it Cork, sad in Dahlia are fl uctuating b . : he - 4; all might be Ilse which meld ressombly be asked without 275. and 31,. a quarter. (Hear.) I was not indiatestkig task available sums, whether from the surplus early part of the speech of the boae gentleman th p resent a m t t i! . ., edndly SAO( en the shammed of the year, or from re- for Northamptonshire. I ins told be appealed to me to . me mber treighosent la the public expenditure, for which them still whet grounds I thought there was an undue st e t, ton remeinsiahmasseis of room. There were she comiders- prices. (Her) I think there probably is such hL i a ' ikmed gullet , whisk might have Waned the government depression because I find in costinental countries " en d--";e sail theeses (lid set admit the detract jostles of the cenethies when they have protective, the sate d pe.m.',„ '!, mom als she it a feelomenbits hearing. (Hear hear.) No prices and the same complaints of distress *wooll e n th 0 „ .. ".`" desht lIWI el the sell were is • state of considerable gaged in sericulture which we hive here. (Hear, he - ,.", 4 '; daantW nest _ *Meg to mosatlegislatios. The distress find that thermion of prices exists notwithstand%',,,' et the Imunerd wee net seek es would warrant him, ems if market bas been opened to them , and an unusual ln ' du ty NOM were worthy of his, which it was met, is mad for their agricultural produce he' si 1, prelleMen • esit to mantra ter relief : and be cosadestly consequence. (Hear, hear.) I find in France, in E 'en 0; Medea est, whateveg %be :e w e effect, the relief eon- our nearest neighbours, mck of which ludointil s sr, teatipleki by the hos. gsatleman would foe the mem; and period, ample protection to their native produce .r f 1 ; - „,7 Plain. whet: --- 6 1 siassuis to some. in He bulk and salistanee, go to the oe- their sediltural productions depressed in mien and o"t.,7 tenant. (Hear, hear.) While rejoicing in the oecupy tenants complaining that it h impossible -;;," Madltion of the ems of community, and be- that, the land at pment prMs. I say, then, there to O„.."''' llss*ltkat Men • large portion of the pearmatry were in a appear to be pervading many Doiustrim in Europe th e no . — state Owe )Mir average osinforts, _ _he *men the °acidities causes of depression of which we cm of the thembig elms and etas agrfeartneellaboute through- same muses may not have led to it, whether the were." '-"'- out ship melee el Ilaghml---10 my netking of Ireland- ssani.y of 3or 4 years may not have stimulated pre i ~, was mask este domed the serefad shiseatem of the house. or Whether the prices of eons may not have been aff ' e nens- ; Deakins ers he wee Ora the knees Menai &ma disLositicts an mnuutslly productive harvest following on a year 'r e ..,...“: to aid sad smesmap. AIM gmemits and yeamemy their scarcity, I will not andertske to say, but the fact * O ur'''. ;' struggle with isle eel em ileitemitt of the vast many countries of Europe having the advents 0 1 a -- ta d ' national inteneele elenMeettesl with die weieteessee of our tion, there are the same complaints of lir l w " Ir i . h.„ --e. domestic eirdeeihne• be wee still Mm emboss eh 4, be- and coneequent distresses exist here. (Hear, hear ) '' ''',. liming that the bet Idlest of their fisependesm woad be, I came into the houses gentlemen has done me the k• 6iroen and in some immense already had bees, a great Emitter- to place in my hands these papers. The one is In e d o ,o„ -- tient of the esiplegmest affirded by the farmers end severe from Antwerp, dated 9th February, 18.50, whielt n ar . ' - ,0, distress among the peessatry. (Hear, hear.) Looking at the state and prospects of agriculture there, it si ' et e , t h.; the peesently themesives, the removal of the taxes on bricks "at our to-day's market the trade we generally 'il ''', en sued timber, which he hoped speedily to se, would have the turn of pekes was in favour of the buyer, thengliu'ie en cad immenlisto besting upon them. Bo small was their not expect any important cheerio, the value of Mtn re ri be '- =VAof tea, coffee, sugar, =limes, currants, already tai depressed to pay tee rents of our fa r r, that the relief from a remission of (Hear.) Theother paper is a circular from Nante. s o d r o e - o those taxes would be altogether tnfiing, and certainly the same date, it elates, " that the price of e „ i . n o " - ., in no degree to be compared with the benefit they would de- present very low everywhere in Europe - b7 rive from a mere cheerful resolution on the part of the taking into consideration the prod . 1 , 14 ., ' ' farmer to persist is his endeavour to improve the cultivation some dour oats and the best brands of flour, our mar ina ry of the count and to maintain hie struggle. (Hear, hear.) now offers the best opportunity of investing m oney et l As to tobacco and malt, no one was prepared Lc a remission rata against the chance of a rise. The Itadi ne .. ;:e 4 ' of • single penny of the duty on either. They ought not, everywhere disposing of the crop, and the existence of i' then, to be deterred from voting for a proposition lust in sent prices in this pavt of France would soon inv.i'vs itself, which committed them to no details, but only bound landed interest in ruto." (Hear, bear.) Wh en I ~e that, them to aprinciple-by any question about the law of means these countries, which have had the benefit cf free • D o r and substance, still lingering, perhaps, in half •de :an pa- into the English market and protection in the it ownfeh, risk's in Scotland-nor b'y any question about the law of I see in them agricultural prices so depressed that it ' rating railemds which no doubt required amendment-(hear, the ruin of the farmers is inevi t able if that depression' Cai' , her)-nor of t he inequality with which the poor rate was tissue, I conclude that causes other than the femoral made to fell on the owners of tithe*. (Hear.) None of protection have mainly contributed to the production of the these should drew them aside from considering the question distress which exists in this country as well as in others, a before the home on its merits. The plan involved no such that probably there is some cause of the came natur e whit: hiC. overwhelming considerations as the transfer of 18 millions has produce d our depression, operating throughout a gma of taxation, nor was it likely to assist a revival of protection, pert of contioental Europe. (liner, hear.) Anothergroa The right hon. Secretary for the Home Department said he on which I view with less anxiety than others the e: should be open, when the surplus of the year was known, to dition and prosperity of agriculture is this-that I senor coaster what charges could be transferred to the Conseil- with satisfaction the isereasing consumption of food in t dated Fond without diminishiog or imiairing the principle country. (Hear.) It is in the tendency to increased censer of local management. In this there was no absolutely irre- tion that I see, not only the indicstion of general cost conciletble difference with the proposal itself-the differeace but the hope of permsoent improvement. (Hear.) In was one rather of spirit and temper. He thought it of the course of last year, in addition to the great toasumpt highe,t importance, when the party with which the hoa. of native produce, the people of this country hi member for Bucks was connected had made a propoeal, not imported merely, but have consumed-Guar, hear relying on grounds whose abstract justice could not be and paid for, by the produce of their own lire disputed, that some disposition should be shown to meet 5,600,000 quarters of wheat. (" Hear, " and cheers.) A n d f him in a friendly spirit. (Hear, hear.) large consumption of foreign grain has not dimini-bee Mr. WILSON oppesed the motion, and quoted floes, to consumption of wheat of our own produce. (Bear.) prove that free trade had been and must continue to be a 1849. as compered with 1848, thee: has been an jetties source of prosperity to Great Britain. If he were asked why the consumption of British grown wheat, and at the 1 such low prices for agricultural produce now prevailed, he time there has been the enormous consumte ion I hay. 0 would reply that the high prices here, in consequence of the of 5,600,000 quarters, not of Indian corn, not of outs or scarcity of 1847, had given a stimulus to the cultivators of but of that noblest grain, wheat. (Much cheerite the soil in the foreign corn-growing countries to incrusts whom has that wheat been consumed ? (Hear, r., their supplies. He argued that fixing upon the capitalist or When you are asking for proofs of the improved coctliti fundholder a portion of the burdens now paid by the land- the country, wit, should you enter into cry • owner, would be nothing else than forcing the former classes details ? 5,600,000 quarters o foreign wheat have he s , to make a gratuitous present to the latter. This could not ported, paid for, and consumed-(o , at)-and by wr. be celled justice. No arguments could be fairly based upon (Hear.) Not by the upper classes, for 1 will venture t. our present prices, because we were existing under circum- that the quantity of bread eaten by the arisv.eric, it stances altogether exceptional. In Wiltshire, where he bed very little increased in amount, nor ass the quoi:o spent the recess, the labourers were better off than they had sensed by their establishments increased to any ext. 7A:- been for two yeare past. The deficiency in the crops of 1848 the middle classes-those in comfortable eircurces had been 23, 30, and 40 per cent. in various counties in Eng- though probably their consumption of luxuries to land; and, notwithstanding the large importations the pre- periods of prosperity end low prices increase, their C.A . .e sent stocks were light, showing that the whole had been ab- tion of the great element of human life does not. II sorbed. Six countries supplied the great bulk of our im- No, this great Inc aaaaa has taken place In e• r 00,...., ported corn; and concerning the conditions of thou the better condition of those who live by tat ur. countries the hon. seemlier gave many details, to show cheers.) You cannot have the increase el sat:: that they could not permanently continue their supplies, quarters 'except by millions of mouths being r. except at prices that need afford no alarm to the (cheers)-and, sir, I want no other indication of et British producers. The hon. member for Buckinghamshire prosperity. 1 except, of course, the agricultural ,o: had proposed to benefit the farmers by the establish- nity, whose distress I admit and lament; ; but I aat meat of a sinking fund, but there had been during the whole better indication of general ease and increasine to period a sinking fund in the cellars of the Bank of England than the stoking fact, that there has been an Mere which had been withdrawn from speculation in consequence of the consumption of bread, and bread of the best o the agitation to whi .h he had alluded. (Hear.) There had which is perfectly unparalleled. (Renewed cheers been also a great number of exceptional circumstances you can continue that consumption, and under Ono . calculated to t aus disturbance, but when gentlemen asked continue the Mound for labour, and make trade sat whether the present prices were likely to be permanent, he nufactures prosper, I Bay we are not only inereasite . could safely answer in the negative, his fear being rather sum of hum in happiness, but we are gins; to the Agri,. that there would soon be a reaction, and an inconvenient turista of this country the best assurance of its advance in priest (Laughter.) Let them remember that increased demand which most tend to their prosperity slap. it was only two years since Paris and Roueu were supplied I cannot but think, when we are speaking of the supplyino from Norfolk, and that wheat was exported in considerable of Manchester, Birmingham, and the great it is dotort.- quantities to the Rhenish provinces. In fact, it was hard to when we consider the nature of the demand for nor:tors: say what the prices might come to when the present low produce, that that demand , s not limited to corn, ' o. •l.r. .t stocks Were exhausted. He was prepared to say that if they extends to meat, milk, cheese, butter, and other pro 100-1 examined all the corn ports of Europe, from °dust round to cannot help thinking that, with the exercise et Ci, its :. •:..:, Minnie, they would find there was • less stock on hand than and energy, the agricultural interest, having ouch a .terciroi there had been for several years before. lie could only ell, in their own immediate vicinity, need not tear co:- that having taken a careful survey of the whole of Europe. petition from any quarter. (Cheers.) Sr. I :. i he had no fears for the British farmer in the competition ; fir not give my assent to the addl.. is in an.iv r ..) taking every circumstance into consideration, he believed there the speech front the throne under any impression 'E.: .: was no man who had more advantages in the pursuit of his was intended to slight the distress which exists in the .:-.. occupation. It was impossible to look over the face of this cultural districts. (Hear, hear.) 1 nough the words ..... country, and not to admit the great things the farmer had were that "there were complaints." 1 understood thr. o done in bringing waste and sterile districts into cultivation. mean an admission of a distress and a wish to rerretie o. In Scotland he had reclaimed morasses and mosses ;in Lia- and if that were not the construction I put upon ii-o I celoshire he had drained swamps ; and in Wiltshire he had had thought there was any intention to slight or pass 'I converted Salisbury P.aio into a smilingeore field. (Cheers.) the complaints of the agricultural interest as unworthy of He could never believe, then, that the British farmer-the notice, that address in answer to the speech shouid Usti: man that had effected such changes-need fear competition have had my support. (Hear, bear) I took es an ad. with the Russian serf, who had long land carnage, and long mission by the crown and the government that dimes! water carriage, to add to tee difficulties arising front his own did exist and that sincere sympohy was telt for intrinsic inferiority. (Cheers.) those who were suffering it. (Hear. hear.) 1 wit: Mr. BUCK said that the speech of the hon. member for now apply myself to the speech of n.y right hoc. Westbury had little to do with the motion before the house. Inen I, the member for Oxford University, and sail The government admitted the existence of agricultural die- proceed to state the grounds on which I differ from the m iens, but proposed no mesns of relief-in fact their argu- elusions to which he has arrived. My right hop. treed ments went to show that all landed property should be con- takes the motion made by the hon. member for Boca , . sod finsted. All our interests had been sacrificed ;at home and says he is at perfect liberty to dismiss all extrinsic cu.:dere in our colonies the evidences of the results of free trade were tions, and to deal with the abstract proposal rely. I ::'et apparent. How different was the conduct of the United from my right hon. friend in this. ( Gear, hear) It o i-ry States. There the government professed to follow the well to say to a young member of the house, "1 ms. a example of England when her policy made her what she proposal ter the houn to resolve itself into commitce. :sea was, and if Britain put the extinguisher upon the industry all questions will be open for discussion-hen my pro: 'ii which had elevated her to her proud position amongst when we go into committee, reject those which v.O th re nations the result must b 3 national rain. are objectionable, modify others which you may t- :tx Mr. G. BERKELEY contended that in many the country with which he was intimately acquainted, it was discharge oury duty, and if you cannot arree with me . : , : r a iric•il 510 w. ., , distrista of capable of modification-then justly and CO!IPC1.11!:' , 1 impossible to raise more corn than could be now produced, will then be justified in refusing my t r , .. hear.) 1 11 t.. A tural labourers must be thrown out of work ; yet there was this, with the farmer." (Rear, he . tenants and the :mot and if even the present prices were maintained, the agricul- and at the same time have shown a disposition to evo . ,s -no feeling of discontent , however great the distress. But the impression which the occupying h. ~.., how could thin live on their present wages, dictated by free farmers of this country will have it we agree to t .• m .... trade. The time would come ere long when the *gnus'. (Hear.) Ido not say the hon. gentlemon 14 Chart(' t• .e 7 , turists would be righted. any attempt at deception, but let us crafter the c r..- posal was made-at least I thought so, though 1 am t Sir R . PEEL next spike . He said-Whatever other motive I might hare for addressing the house, the necessity it I um. I feel of taking s course different fens that which will be certain now what was meant- te lautk )-but a. stances under which we ere discussing the question. o - Proposition was made in the amends:lot to suet- address, with a view to test the o; i oon o f taken by my right hon. friend, the member for the Univer- stood . it , a.lnoP l w i ., sity of Oxford (Mr. Gladstone), would be with me • the house ma cient reason ffir not desiring to arrive at an opposite -"I a . hear."andof "No °I The too Hear, conclusion to that of my right hon. friend without explaintog not. ( member for ' Northampton IMr. Stattord) adm•tted : the grounds on which I do so. (Hear, hem I have the so, and said he - would not therefore 5 :roe it' obta . dec sion whether protec t io n should be rest red geeatest respect for my right hon. friend. Re was associated with me in the preparation of those measures to the effect so use . h : coesiderol as lt• non, for the question o f protectioi . - , . of which he partly attributes the circumstances which . clil- N n t permanently and for ev e r dectue.. - have led to the conclusion to which he has come. (Cheers.) c eded-(No)-no t ( ter a)- the a • • of this parliament was c ocerces From my right honourable fiend I derived the moat that , sa :1; poaa was not bit law ' ' r lm to occupy its time is wl at mu.; he a need.ess ,liscue zealous support and most effective sesistance in the prepare- the rev i val . p rotection . agrichuhra !„.,,re tion of those measures, and I have now some consolation which they were entitled on so that compensation to when he tells us-though in respect to this motion we arrive t of the removal of protection. Last year the hat m e, .7 at opposite conclusions-that his confidence in the justice of . that a motion was made to give to the Ica than 1',000,000 1 . sterling, and to: those principles on which he contended for the commercial policy which for the last four years has been pursued remain" eke land wee not ea general - and local taxation " •-° unshaken. (Hear.) Before, however, I address myself to j they contributed to h the u.ten not less than 14.0 my right hon. friend's remarks, I wish to state in regard to 1 country, includint classes ela we d re ex , empt. (lieu, best " the agricultural interest that I do not deny that it is at this i from which other forßucks said the a mount of the burden unfairly hero 1 c Imes forward and says, very 1 , moment suffering considerable distress-(cheers)-that for " I will tot urge that e xtensive question sow, bo . • that distress I feel on every account the warmest sympathy the hon. gentleman l l oval o f Utah= hearing on the 10 • • -(a voice from one of the protectionist benches o h prop • a part.* rem dear," followed b y some slight laughter from the sameb u t am the first of &series of measures. oriel be deceived, this is quarter, and loud cheers and calla to order I and adopting the same pro from the other parts of the house.) I hope, will follow incorporate y.. _ as s esm , , . i . ei lel and we bring this forwent sir, the house wilt be of opinion that I take -- o P , a aamiimw i„,, r eoden.i - total interest to the ount of 2.000,000 i. a year. too .•'' protection, as the most becoming course ia passing without further notice for the inarticulate sound with which the hon. we ate' no assumes that hereafter, if , .. interrupted me. (Loud cheer* from all sides.) I wish to con- But he gives . us he will not run* the weole yi'm ,' eider this subject with the respect to which it is entitled, and Present motion ' (More soft o - - which is due to the magnitude of the interests involved. tection. He proposes s removal . ci notice'' that this i , ge ntleman has necessary and just by the removal of Protect"' cheering.) I believe those inarticulate sounds are as powerful as will be the hon. gentleman's argument should measure closing . the account, the it i ural in terest ought to to si: , • real property, lining us distill . t .7" n ' ot a r , ~. debt,and the tr...... 1 s attempt to answer me. (Renewed cheering.) But I shall nut be disturbed or p ted by hint from entering instalment of a great . , .., that it is a small ..he ,_his 0. ,„,, t. r ... with which the agncult into the consideration of the question. (Hear, hear.) know not why the hon. gentleman should doubt my sun. balance of the deb?, And ther t by t he e l motion, tor it the' ,'.. pathy with the agricultural interest; my own interests are say that e de ceiv ed are Uthat is re, usual. hey too: intimately connected with its fortunes, and if any measures for it, and then fail to yield • 1 , , : o will be no satisfaction given h. e ...::,,,, to which I have been a party, however convinced I might he recollect that t hen (Bear . o ____, whit,. of their general policy or general benefit to the country, if I admission of the claim. adoptionl , _°'' oa r i t o o . the instalment be paid, well prreowicitt,,ttu sombre' ,‘,.... found they had a ffected any special or peculiar in- FroP•siticles nefit of theta for w h o m it is id, teres, with distress, I should feel the deepest sympathy b• en o. ition of the thee, • v. ' for those upon whom such su ff ering was entailed. (Cheers.) proposal is made previous 0.0 tt ii , , b t he CD:Otede of the I' .. . I say this, also, that if it be true that the occupying tenants condition of the country y _ and will its . ... t , be ll' de ." ig a - .., ouse under such cireanstano - _, of the country , are not willing to reduce the amount of labour, lof taxation shall be placed on t and are making exertions to prevent that distress under mine that 2,0 ° 40 M-• , s L ., ‘,„ le oo quer ; and will the h . of this on the financial prostole l O a t. at __,,,, sr: oh 3 1' which they may be suffering from visiting those on whims eelliffithsd fund ? ( Hare near- , 1' he country. lot . I labours they depend, they hare on that account en additional claim to our respectful consideration. (item, b ean ) But, to consent to the tirst of • series I, or. el ... cea „ , the surplus o f lb, le" , • the while I admit the distress that exists, I do not view with cop - hoe the whole of which, if followed up, spprop prehension and despondency the future condition of the het ause, upon the ...r..' agricultural internee. (Hear, bear.) Prides the whole of will I ma y re f er plus for several years to _eionse, lens that he sill %Jo' to the frequent occasions on which during nen rro''' nano, of protection the distress of the agricultural interest total exemption of real oerty from taxa . , lit" mint of our beano ir" was adverted to in the speech from the theme, and now that th e 'mime. now put, the hon. member our having the annua e iate 1.„. whole of the .., i ,.. protection was loot, some of those causes which affected theidated PAO, Is that .I. agricultural interest at those periods of distress are a charge of 2,0% d 1 :. ti n the demon himself to hoot. , without doubt again epentiog. (Hear, hear.) But as there hie ? I undentan t e on. gen . _, e ii; ,,„ then, I am . in t vited to i app ro p riate b . I of blic lead. the was recovery then,. I Imps there will be recovery now, the maintenance flu t and that thou who are interested in the prosperity of that interest was . ., , . iacreas „.,) r .e. of interest , and rho Illwaf ,`" a I Yalu interest will set prejudice their cause by the propegatios of alt, • reit! . , i Weir Cparges. muttered interest to ower needier alarm. (Hear, hear.) But this course has unfor- I two adr in his observations et that ' Wastely bee* taken on former occasions, and it is so now. I filers was Feat fora in one of the great . sources of relict , tn r.*: .4 s , r:: • it if a ie tr of in of e. le e. is Ito tir LI. Me as iti la, let is et. oee oat eel Jer of net Ind do g but 'bet lOW are Va . 0115 that Kons bet kid cu. 11 of that arid tick treat ound con- tncei o:tie amp• 'tort, a :be ptioa have sr,— tt..l tte a !Me rTe, in 1:+1, 1 . . r. 't in :at- ie • .: y :•:. V.: t: xim! r. ut.,