The Express. — London, England, 1850-07-02 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS —MONDAY, JCLT 1. Their lordships mat at Ave o'clock; Lord Lebo Dein eat speaker. COUNTY COVETS EX TENSION BILL. Lord BROUGHAM pave norms that he should move the aesoad readies of the Couaty Ceara Ensurer Bill on Mon day boat. FACTORIES BILL. The Hake of RICHMOND said that the Fairer/ries Bill stood oa their lordships' orders foe • mood reading te ✓roriser, sad he wished to repeat • scram which he bad peevisessly given, that mottended to move the board= of • dam which bad beesed in the House of C.MIULOUSby Lord J. Manaus ; sad that if It wee rejoined, he should, cm the third roadie', move that the bill be read • third time that day six swathe. BT. JAMES'S PARK AND THE GREEN PARK. Lord BROUGHAM wished to irk the noble marquis (Laradoweee) whether he would object to lay re the table • paper which had already been permeated to the other horse, velars" to notada ehersaionela Sr. James's and the Green-park. He imderetrod that • row atlas had already bees rat down is Hyde-park. Them teem—aim, in num. bee—wire 40 years old when they were cut down, and it task place, he wee informed, at so early an hoar that no perm was aware of it. He was quite sure that if his noble Mead opposite (the Earl of Culist.; had still bees at the heed of that departmest, a glassiest • pesos would have kit es he (Loci Brougham) did, when he heard of the de street/so of those trees, for he knew that his noble frigad read Virgil as he did reetunarui et lite. Deosol nont afresh* l'anolue; raynantisque; senem, ?Inapt:mune mom! It ought now to be, Yortunatus et ble, Des claimant agnates. (" Hear," and a laugh.) He was a petitioner on behalf of those injered deities to the government of which his noble friend was a seeentor, and be hoped he should succeed in re ferent* to the trees in St. Jambes, and on the mall in the aeen•park, as well as with regard to the proposed build rig in Hyde-park, with room, to which he bad given a nodes Is, to-morrow (this maks.) Two of the four rows of trees now condensed had bees is existecee for two centuries, over since the restoration. The Ilsrquis of LANSDOWNE said there could be no colleetioa to lay eh! paper referred to by his r obis and teamed Irked ea the table of the house. The noble marquis made some abet °trombone, whieh were quite inaudible in the gallery. POLICE AND IMPROVEMENTS (SCOTLAND) BILL. After • diseuesion, as to the obligation of • peer to MEM the offie• of therif, eat which led he no result, Oa the wrier of the Earl of Morro, this bill wed through cased :to e. PARLIAMENTARY VOTERS (IRELAND) BILL. On the modes of the Earl of CatUalm, the house then west into committee en thb hill. Lord STANLEY, to the first clause, lime 14, timed the onsisloa of the words... by virtue of sae qualifieation not requiring cecupation," as be thought these words would dramatise it.. eaters whom it would be most desirable to retain. Af.er • short discus-ion, the amendmeat we. with drawn. Earl St. GERMANS. in moving the amendment of whieh be had given note-, namely, the insertion of the words Twelve pcunis," instead of " Eight pounds," in the first clause, said he sli ruld sp -Ingle* for presuming to pat him self forward oc the present occasion to propose an alteration la • Memnon intended to refer to Ireland, seeing there were no nanny aolde lords present whoa' knowledge of Ireland better qualified thus t b interfere in the matter. However, Lis interferece• was founded upon and justified by tbi iaterest —as should he the cue with every member of their lordships' house who happened to hen official connexion as he had, with that mitautrv—he felt is the affairs of that country. Be had origina.ly intended to propose that the county franchise should depend on the vase of Pt, h .use of the .c spier, gad not on the value of the holm and lard; be e %Use he thought tees, as also sow, that such a qualification would prove highly beneficial. (Hear, hear.) It would be productive of imnrovessent la the dwelliags of small farmers, and world also have the effect of permuting the sublirision •rd sulolettiag of land. (Hear, beer.) It would be. in fact. as besefidel to the landlord as to the tenant, and be the mesas fieal's of iodating the latter to change the mud cabin for the comfortable farm-house. (Hear, bear.) He might be told the Isadlerde, as also the toner to, were careless of the pemession of the franchise. But, if such were the ease, he could say it was only c temporary state of things. Surely be wadi cot ba toll the Irish rroprietors and tenants were note desirous of possessing the franchire as the English or Scotch, or of the political eocarquences that resulted from the powessio• or otherwise of that constitutional privilege. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said he thought it his duty, seeing the great annul= end deliberation which the other house of parliament had Men this measure, and the great m 1.9 of local information which was there brought to bear upon it, to state his reason. why a high rating or valua tion should not be adopted. (Hear, beer.) Looking practi cally at the state of Ireland, he found it would have the effect of excluding a most respectable class of voters He (the noble marquis) thought great exurgeratioa prevailed with respect to the numher of Si. v stirs that would be created under the smears now introduced ; and, notwithstanding the calm:dodos, gone into by the noble earl, he would sty that the fair way to deal with the matter would be to com pare the constituency under an 81 ratinir with the Wont of the adult population in Ireland. (Hear, hear.) He found upon calculation that an 81. banana , , compared with the adult population woul I Rive in Ireland 15 per gent., whilst in England it would give 21 per ctn.. ; therefor* that left a diminutioa of 6 percent. armies! Ireland. (Hear, bear.) He certainly did not mean to adhere to any particu larly low amount of qualificatioe, his objet being that there should be a really *ff. yawl representation of opinion, and that such should be felt and kaown to exist. (Hear, bear.) He believed, if they did not make op their minds to that extant, theykad bitter • .t proceed with the bill at all. (Hear, hear.) Nay, they might as well get rid of represen tation altogether. (Hear, hear ) Iseffeetual representation that did not fairly embody the feelings and opiniecs of the people was, is his opinion, mars mischievous this no r Tee matador at all. (H.a-, hoer.) It was therefore for their lordships to consider whither or not the present elms west too tar, and whether tt - would depnve Lord STANLEY said that either the valuation is these Wass sees be grossly unfair, or the land must be of very had guilty. He muck doubted whether these occupiers were posses who would give ethos free from the iodates' of the 'iodised or eitheyman. He did net *est entsodiss the esiolitosatiss ; the more istdapeolesi "Otis the beat y bet he would not, bemuse Indeod los pesiolbsdi oat amongst paupers, lower the fraaelise solely is Imam the number of vans, where • higher elude mot exh• • 161. franchise would give 190,000 vinare, or so average of 6,600 voters for each of the 32 counties in beiwad ; and no use mild say that sea • egastitnethy was widely restricted. He would extend the franehles as fez as it Gould be done with safety, but not to • elms of men liable to be die missed from their occithetione at any moment, aid who would be the prey of every designing agitator. (Rest.) Looking at the nessesity exteeding the conatituthey somewhat, and knowing there were many who thought it might be safely extended to oecupien to the amount of 151 he was willing to waive Ida objections to reducing it to that amount, and to vote for a constituency which would give sal average of 6,600 to each meaty of Ireland Lord SH RE WSBURY would extend the franchise to the small shopkeeper and the small farmer. for he bad no doubt that they would eased*. it in favour of protection. W Lard HARNCLIFFE proved by stales's*. which he quoted at length, that eves if the 81. qualification were adopted, there would be Is 'Mead bat the elector to 22 of the_popalstica, while in Ragland there wee one is 24, sod la Wake sae in 23. The prethat state of thinks was Rest dangerou, and be hoped that the change would be made now, when ell was quiet, hatred of waiting until parlia ment atiebt his compelled to make larger concessions. Lord NOUN ICABHEL supported the amendment, and Lord DUFFER'S the lower qualification. He was con vinced that the class which it would admit to the franchise was at least ecral It respectability and intelligence to the ordinary English slaw. Lord LONDONDERRY feared the influence which the fir. franchise would give to the Bean Catholic prints and the presbyterian clergy, sad enateadtel strenuously for the higher gialifintion. Lord CARLISLE could not forget that be bad care the honest of reps/seating • constituency of 66,000, while the whole meaty electors of Ireland were only 30,000. Es quoted statistics to prove chat the 131. qualification pro posed 'a the amendment would very inadequately recruit the Irish ethatituesey, but *streets(' their lordships to act in the spirit of a nlighteaed foresight, which they had so often di.plsyed, and take advantage of the present lull of political excitement to place the franchise on a tespeetatle tooting, and give Inlaid a conatituthey of which she need act be ashamed. Lord BROUGHAM thought that the adoption of the fl qualification would serioualy and signally de:eri irate the House of Commons. They were not legislatios for England, or even for the north of Ireland only, toot elm for the south, and he desired their lordships is observe not cute the pro portion to yogis's. but of pauper: to populstioa. Way one third of the whole people were paupers! Be bad always been is favour a extending the f las to the great body of our intelligent, hard-heeded artisan!, who were mach more independent than most of those who were already electors; but he protested against the Reform Act being altered without better masons than had been Mown is Mae ease. After some explanations from Lord St. Goesinten, who d►preate.l the virtual rejection of the bill by the adoption of Lord Du an's amendment, and repeated his own sort potion of s 121 rating as a compromise, Lord FiTZWILLIAIL remitded Lord Brougham of his celebrated address to their lordahips on the Ilifona it'll, and recommended them to consider whether it wee wise for them ti intoner. in measures aff.eting the repreeentation of the people. He supported the bill, because it would place the franchise on a basis consistent with the ecostitu.ion of the country by tasking it dependent on t►e payment of local taxes. 1 The Marquis of LANSrowNE, Biter the opinions h• had heard expreseed, cos d not doubt that an Si. franchise was too low ; and though be had, from rtspem to the other house, eubmittrd that proposal to their tessideurtion, he should now tensest that ttis proposition shout' be tegatived. Their lordships then dtri :cd, when there appearci— For the 161. fraschise - Against it Os oar re-adMstton to the gallery we found Lwd STANLEY proposing in t►e next clause to insert, after the weeds " duly registered," the words, "on my own amount." Earl GREY thought the noble lord should put such en nendineut in writing. Hs believed that it was sh.olutely 'possible to contrive soy 'machinery to carry out the noble rd's views. The Earl of ST. GERMANS said that seeing the nobl: lord (Smalley) had now the bill in his own hands, he wished to know whether he would amen! to certain amendm.nts of which notice had been given without dividing the beam upon them ? Lvrd STANLEY said that he should most decidedly object to the amendmen•e to which the noble tart had mimed. Oa the motion of the Marquis of LAN/DOWN., the Chair men then reported prayers., and their 1 irdships immediately after, at a quarter put 11 o'clock, adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MOcDAT, Jut 1. TM &udas' took the ebak ►t 4 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. WESTMINSTER TEMPORARY BRIDGE BILL This b ll having been read a second time, en the motion that it be eomm;.•ed, Sir R. INOLIS said this bill was one which riquired in vestigation, and moved that it be referred to a select com mittee. ]Sr. W. PATTEN admitted that the bill was one of great importance, but thought the reference to a select committee would place the ern in a disadvantageous position sad ante ineonv. Meat delay. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER opposed the amendment. Although there was no immediate danger in tee present bridge there could be no doubt that two of the arches were sunparted by shores and were rapidly sicking. In feet, aal efforts to render the bridge a safe permanent structure bad failed. After some ensversatisn, The house divided, For the amendment l3B Against it they ... _ ; the - PUBLIC BUSINESS. blll of the character of popularity it possessed amount the PETITIONS PRESENTED. people of Ireland, for whoa monies and benefit ft had been . , Jaws PARLIAMENTARY OATHS BILL —By Sir R. H. introduced by her Majesty. goveonment. (Hear, iscir '' INGLIS, from a place in Oxfordshire ; Sir C. BURRELL, Ho was confident that if they raised the qualification too plats i Slane: , Lord C. MANNERS (7), from high, the measure would late its effect and popularity in fr om • . . n . • parishes in L•icesternire ; Mr. LACY, from Holland, Corn eal country for whirl ift an , Intended. (Hear, hear.) The Earl of WICKLOW • sid that he preferred • 121. to . Hal • Mr. FULLER , from hiounifield and Whittington, an 81. rating, but ha would recommend his noble friend S ussex ; 'ord J. MANNERS, fres Durham ; Mr. BANK ES, from' a place in Donetshire ; an Hum. Al tSt aaa , mem (Earl St. German), to postpone his proposition till the inhabitants of Asploy Gabe ; Hatboro* Crawley, B els ; bringirg up of the report. Lord MONTEAGLE thought it would be very inane- h D evon • Hsnwelj, Oxon • cir cle, church- East Teignmout „ . ~ wardens, and o th er Inhabitants of Llansaulfriend, Glyn Meat to nparase the two propositicas. Curie, Dashigeshire ; Mr. EDWARDS, from inhabitants Earl St. GERMANS said that he had no objection to ' • *ethos. his proposition , and he could assure his noble friend of King s. cross Mr. W. FATTEN , from Bacup, die. ; . E. did net offer it te the consideration of the house, with a Lord It. GROSVENOR, from Staines and Hampstead, view of accepting a lower rem then 121. ageism this bell. STAMP Doom (No. 2) BILL.—By Lord H. VANE, from The DAL+ of LEINSTER thought that a 121. rating eopyholders of Yorkshire, against this bill. would be an improvement on an Si. one. SAYINGS Banos BILL.—By Lord R. GROSVENOR, Lord STANLEY s sid thefts old poor law valuation was ilea* inadequate to be made a positive basis for the sujov- from the managers of the Finsbury Savings Basks; Mr. W. meat of the franchise, benne it was extremely different in I FATTEN, from Cmsfan, against certain clauses of this bill. some parts otthe country. He believed that in some visas the PREROGATIVE COURTS (IRELAND) BILL. ',Justice was as much as 2.5 per cent. too high, and in others .. u p Mr.KEOGH brought the report of the select tom 21 per cont. too low, so that any franchise which was b ased mitts* on this hell. ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSIONERS BILL. upon it must be nneerale, vatying and il actuating. Earl FITZ WILLIAM said that the same objection would In answer to Sir B. HALL, Lord J. RUSSELL said that it had been the Intention ot apply to the franchise is England, which depended on the different amount of note In different pieces. government to bring forward the Ecclesiastical Commissioners After a few words from Lod S and the Marquis Bill on Thursday; but he would now take the opportunity of Of LAMPDOWNR, acting that in consequence of the derangement in the state of The Earl of CARLISLE said that it was much the best P ublic business which had been caned by the recent debate, way to meet the matter boldly, and to admit at once *hat it would be difficult to bring it en on that day. He would there existed in Ireland at present no satisfactory basis therefore state to the home that as the government business had been so much interfered with by the proceedings of the on which to rest the franchise. (Hear, hear.) Taney had last week he would be prepared on Th a to inform Ito deal with a chola of evils they must either continue the them w hat course they would pursue with regard to the present state of things, which ' all admitted to be anomalous and disgraceful, or they must take the best means at hand of Publ" bu s ''' . remedying it. (Hear, hear) MERCANTILE MARINE BILL. After a few words from Lord Marron La and the Earl Ia answer to Mr. CARDMILL, of Wlconow, Lord J. RUSSELL said that he thought that on Thum The Earl of DESART rose to Steve the amendment of day he would he able to name some day next week for taking whisk he had given notice—the nbetitution of a 151. rating this bill into consideration. for as 81. rating. He adopted this course with the NATIONAL EXHIBITION OF 1851. greatest regret and anxiety. His objections to the principle Colonel SIBTHORP put the following question to the of the bill remained unhinged. He did not think that Attorney-General; whether he can inform the house and rating should be made the basis of the franchise at all. But the country by whose authority and directions the eine trees the principle of the bill Levies been assented to, be proposed an of the ten previously marked to be cut down in Hyde. 131. as the lowest amount at which the rating ought to be park had been cut down, and whether this act had been con. taken, and he should give his strenuous opposition to the 'nationally exercised in the grounds which have been for so' Indoor progriss of the mean?, if any lower sum were takes. many years maintained out of the public purse, and by sue. He !onk.l os the measure as the most important which had mein Tons of the House of Commons for that purpose'; come before parliament since 1832. Agreeing with the remark also, whether this power is limited, or to what extent it may of the noble marquis opposite, that the representation should be carried, and for what special purposes, and it for what is be an expression of the pub!ie opinion, he objected to this termed a commission to afford accommodation for foreign bill on that very ground, believing that it would only pro- markets, sad the importatioo or warehousing of foreign lea representation of the agitating and disturbed classes goods ? Au U. qualifleatios would Give a much larger proportion of The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that he would sc ooters than tented in Engl an d sad Scotlan d; it would give cleaner to newer the questions of the hon. end gallant to Ireland 332,214 vetoes, or nearly double the sum• member satisfactorily. He could not answer the questions in hot that existed in Reiland, notwithstending the the negative or the affirmative, without making a few ob grest disproportion of property. A 161. franchise venetian. (Hear.) The house was no doubt aware that would give an increase of 6,000 voters, which would still rain Hyde park and the Regent's-park belonged to the crown in the average a little above that of the Bonder of voters in fee, and that they were transferred to the care of the Com- Wales or Scotland. miesioners of the Woods and Forests, in consideration of The Marquis of ORSIONDE expressed his belief that the the Civil List. He would proceed on that statement to an -81 clause would place the franchise in the bends of a clam of ewer the question. He believed that the trees which bad men who were aheoluttly without property. In his county beer cut down, were cut down by the authority and the the voters were 2,000 in 11141 ; a 121. franchise would have direction of the Commissioners of the Woods and Forests. the effect of doubling them. The house would ate at once, thee, that so long as the Com- The Bishop of DROMORE said, it was no matter of sur- missiosen of the Woods end Forests bad that authority, prise that a measure which conferred great political privr and kept within its limits, they acted constitutionally. 'ems should excite some alarm and nrprise is tome quarters. (Hear.) They would also recollect that their power was He denied that the 81. franehise would be an approach to arrested by set 10 Geo. IV , which prevented them from universal franchise, or would ernes a class of voters of granting leases of the poke for building. or other purposes. low character. From statistics carefully 'compiled, he found They had, howev er , the right, daring the life of the crows, that is five eleetoral divisions in his diocese there were to cut down ripe or mature timber, without the sanction of 51,000 registered ratepoyers, of whom 17,400 only would be the crown ; and they possessed also the right to enfranchised by the 81. clause. (Hear, hear.) Would it be fell timber which was not mature or ripe, contended that the remaining 31000 were unfit to exercise for the benefit of the erown, if they had the the franchise ? (Hear, hear.) lie had not procured these saretion of the crown for so doing. He believed that the returns for the sake of opposing the bill, but to test its real commissioners hod, in this case, acted with the sanction of character. He was decidedly of opinion that to take away the crown, and had. therefore, a right to cut the trees down. the hi. franchise clause from this bill would destroy ;the With remota to the power of erecting buildings, they had strength and vales of the measure. (Hear, hear.) not the power to give a right to erect a permanent building. Lord STANLEY very much dissented from the petition They had, however, the power to make temporary erections, 01 the right rev. prelate that all the persons ratted at 81. if such were not detrimental to the interests of the public, were of entirely good character ; et all events they were not for whom they acted as astute gm trua. The reception person. likely to set and vote indepaudently. The right rev, houses of the Humane Societe, for ies•ance, were erected for prelate had not stated where the salons were situate to the benefit of the public, sad were taken no notice of. So which he had referred. Wag as the trustees of the public were not acting impros The Bishop of DItOMORE sold that three of the unions perly, and making a breach of their trust, they were acting were in the county of Down, and two in another county. oollstitht14•111Y• THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 2, 1850. Mr. J STUART wished to knew from the Attorney- Gavial how the public were to Inviter*, if they thought the enesaiiinioners were net doing their duty. The ATTORNBY-OENEKAL said that it was set for him to suggest lithe way in which the interforeses should he made. Mr. T. BUNCOMBE put the following ipietions to the noble lord the First Lord of the Treasury - Wain it ie Is tooded that the National Behibition, 1831, should elms; and whether, In coinage's's of the isemasieg dissatisfaction on the part of the public, that the prepared exhibition should take place in Hyde-park, it would not be advisable that the selection of Hydeiperk as the intended site should be reconsidered by the commiesinn ; also, whether, In the: event of the amount raison or likely to be raised by volun tary subscriptions proving inadequate to defray the 1 of the exhibition, it is is the contemplation 117Cir s Majesty's ministers to ark parliament, either this year or next. for any giant of public gamey towards such ex penses P (Hear, hear.) As to his first question, he believed that the matter had been reconsidered, and he had no doubt that the noble lord would give to the house the result of the deliberation of the 0/10111i•lifilUre. With regard to the sir coed question, it had been partly answered the other day by the head albs Board of Trade ( M r. Labatt h er.),who said :hat Its had so apprehension that any of the public mosey would be called for. The right bon. gentleman relied en the re lemony subscriptions and the admission money takes at the door being sufficient to defray the expensive( the exhibition; but he wished to kcow, in case of that being found to be ienfileient, who was to pay . the impose ? Did the govern ment not contemplate applying to the public ler additional money , in such a ease ? He was of opinion that the exhibi tion should be free to the public for three dojo in the week, otherwise it would not deserve the name of a national ext.i bition. (Hear, hear.) At present the subseriptioas amounted only to 60 000 ' 1, ano the commissioners were going begging from door to door for more. He thought that such a comes woe derogatory to the character of the nation. (Chien.) Lord J. RUSSELL, in answer to the first question, sold that it was anticipated that the latest period at which the exhibition would close, although it might close e ar;iar, would be the Ist of November, 1851. It was al. ready provided that in seven months after the closing of the exhibition the contractors should remove all the materials, and replies the ground in its former condition. In aeswer to the second question, he would state that there had bee. two meetings of the coat misnomers, one on Saturday and the ether on that day, to take the subject into consideration. They had gone over all the reasons which had originally Induced them to choose Hyde-park as the plate for the exhibition, and which now induced them to adhere to their original choice. It was thought best that those reasons should be draws up is the form of a report, and he would now move for a copy of the report, in order that it might be placed in the hands of boo. members. And he hope .t that then they would carefully weigh the cocsidiratidis which induced the commissioners to adhere to their original intee ties. Is answer to the Quid question. as to the result of the amount subscribed being in adequate to defray the expenses, he would state to th. hones that it bad never been in eon titillation to ask for any grant of money for that exhibition. They had always supposed that the sub scriptions on the part of the public fur such a purpose as that would be *milkiest. He ciuld not however answer ler the result being so favourable if the arrangements of the commissioners were interfered with. seddealg the order lad been .bayed, sad the question wee browsit es warn se rue= reputed it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought that sae tight which had bees given op, wu quite esouth for the rubjeet of Irish eduestbra. As to the ether wetter, he •senld take eats that eaplo maw should be girth et the vete. TRADE AND NAVIGATION. Mr. M'OREOOR postponed his motion for returns re lating to tee irate and navigation of the United Kingdom for the sorrespor.ding_mosiths of the present aid lass yeas. CASE OF MR. SMITH O'BRIEN. Mr. ANSTEY, in moving air an inquiry into the eirthea• steneess under which a letter addressed by Mr. W. Smith O'Brien to a member of this house, complaining of his basing been placed in Willey conflueseut by the present Lieutenant-Governor of Yea Diesien's Land, was inter witted and opens.: in that colony by the keel authorities, said that this was a matter which, although not in point of form, yet in point of aubetanee did concern the privilege of the house, end he treated that honourable memben would give attention to teeir own privileges. (Hese.) The ore was this, 11r. 8. O'Brien having refused a ticket of leave effered to him, on giving his parole that be would not attempt to esespe, was seat to a penal settlement at Maris Island, end he thought that in that situation he bad reason to complain that the regulaticne of the island had been stretched by the governcr in hie WO, for thepurpese of visit. ing him with as extraordinary degree of severity. He had consequen.ly addressed a lease to hint_ (Mr. Anstey) in his public capacity, as a member of the Rouse of Commons, complaining ot his hars'efips and soliciting his intsrvention. He was aware that in E-gland and Ireland plenary poweis were given to govethore of gaols in virus of which they might open and detain letters addressed by convicts to their friends outside, but the case was different in Van D mete' Land. There was there no difference between free and bond, equal powets were given in both cases, and by a local act a particular mode was pointed out for the transmission of, and charges on, convict letters; but beyond that there was no difference between free and bond, and equal penalties were awarded to the detention or opening of letters in either case. He thought be aaw reason in this. In this country there were ample cheeks for abuse in the 'semi** of such a privilege, but in that enormous gaol Van I Muslin's Land, containing 40,000 prisoners, and situated ' 16,000 mile, from the seat ot government, the most stria ' gent cheeks end reculatirnia were necessary to prevent ty• tinny. By low, governors had been given a right in the labour of convicts, and much abuse had been the cones queues, the convicts being often employed on the private property of the goveratre, much to the benefit of the latter. At host it became absolutely necessary that active steps of repression should be taken by Lord Stan ley, and the information on which these steps were founded were mainly convict letters. He mentioned this to show ' that in the colony convicts had been in the habit of having the most perfeat freedom of communication. New Hr. S. O'Brien havhlg addreseed a letter to him (Mr. Anstey), " HOUNI olCommons," under cover, athording to rule, to the esperintendent of convicts, that letter was opened by the deputy goyeenor, who forwarded it, stating that he had opened it to ascertain what were the misrepresentations as he called them ot Mr 8. O'Brien respec•i•g his (the go vernoer) conduct. It came to the Calonial.e,fflee, and was thence delivered to him (Mr. Anstey.) Of that efflee he had no complaint, his whole complaint being against tt • colonial governor. He contended that the letter should have been at once forwarded to the Colonial.effice, and there Will no &mist but that Earl Orey would have sent it to him with the seal ochre ken. It the government had any privilage of opening lettere in the colony, it was only upon information upon oath, that the letter contained something dangerous, it creels do an. There was nothing in Mr. O'Brien's letter to wnieh the slightest objection could he taken. He com plained of mary of the regulations, but at the time time acknowledged the kindness he had received frcen many individuals in the island. He complained of the abominable society to which he was at first exr..sed, and acknowledged subsequent amelioration to some estent by being removed to a cottage where Ps was ;ensiled the use of his books. Mr. DICKSON seconded the motion, but his observe tines were almost inaudible in the gallery. We understood him to say that any miigation of Mr. O'Brien's punishment would he thankfully received in Ireland. Sir O. GREY said that he saw no ground for a parlia mentary inquiry under the statement of the honourable and learned member. But he could assure the ho nourable and learned member that if he entertained the slightest apprehension that what had been done bad taken place 11.0111 a suspicion that he would countenance anything wrong coming from a person in the situation of Mr. S. O'Brien be was complet, ly mistak n. (Rear, hear ) He could assure the hon. and learned memb , r a..d the house that nothing had happened in Kr, O'Brith's case which was not customary in the event of a convict reluaing a ticket of leave. The house must recodeet that Mr. O'Brien had sem 6.ted his life to the laws of his country, but by the free mercy of the crown his sentence had been commuted to transperta %ion for Lord J. MANNERS said that the Attorney-Ueneral had stated that the tree. in Hyde-park could only be cut down by the authority of the sign manual. He would now eau the hon. and teemed gentleman whether that authority bad b, en given in this cue, and whether if it had been given it would have been sufficient to justify the cummissiecen in doing so. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that he know no:hing of the (seta of the matter, but he only stated what the uniform mode would have been. Whether the sign manual was given before or after, it would, in his opinion, be sufficient it, legalise it. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY asked the noble lord whither there exists in the Treasury, or in any other department of the state, a rower to wee', or to content to the erection of, any buildings in Hyde-park, without the consent of parlia ment? Lord J. RUSSELL s: i 1 that it was not in the power of the comeniseioners to erect permanent buildings, but it was in their poser. he imagined, to erect temporary ones. Sir 11. tIALL said that he understood that the question before the house way, whether certain papers relative to the Exhibition of ISM were to b.• laid before the house explana tory of the views of the commies:oilers with reference to the rite, and giving reasons why Hyde-park should be the spot. That, however, was not the question which was before the public. The question bikes the public was one which was well worthy of the considera tion of the house, and he was now prepared to go into the whole question, and would do so, unless he could be given to understand by the noble lord that the matter would be brought before them on en esrly day. (Hear, hear.) If the noble lord would he good enougn to say that he would give an early day for the purpose he would not do so; but, it not, he, ae a representative, not merely of a me• tropolitan t, but of the people of England, had the power of calling on them to determine whether they should pro ten. an address to her Majesty, praying that Hyde-pleb 01 , 0 , 1 not he the site. After a few words from Mr. B. COCHRANE, O'FLAIIERTY mewed the government that if the opportunity should recur, and he trured it would arise during their tenure of office, to do an act of mercy towards Mr. Smith O'Brit 0, they would, by availing themselves of it, secure to themselves the gralitado of all chess of the people of Ireland. (11, ar, hear ) Mr. HUME thought the r'gbt hon. baronet had satisfac torily explained the conduct of the Rovernmen' , and, in his opinion, these were questions which it would be lair to leave altogether in their bands. (Hear.) There was one point, however, apart from the treatment a Mr. S O'Brien which deserved some attentie n. The hon. aid learned number for Tou,llial hod complained that certain letters ad dressed to him as a member of parliament had been opened. (Hear, hear.) Now, he dirt not know what the practice wee now, but formerly he had known letters addressed by prisoners to members of parliament allowed to pass unowene.f. (Cheers.) He admitted that it would be improper to allow indiscrimina'e cc,menunic itions from essviets to parties who were unknown to pass without examination, but at the lime time It appeared to him that there should be moss respect paid when the prisoner wished to mks the commur.icatioa to a member of par:iament, for the purpose of complainicg of improper treatment. To open letters of that descririon was carrying the regulation too far. The O'GORMAN MAHON considered the hon. member' for Montrose bad hit the right nail on the head. Suppose the cue of a prisoner writing to the Lord Cesncellor and every member of both houses of parliament, was it to be 'opposed that the government would violate the seal. of all these let•crs; and if not, where was the distinction to be drawn ? (Hear, hear.) H. concurred with the honourable member for Galway (Mr. O'Flaherty) in hoping that the present goverment would have tie sati.faction of ad vising her Majesty to do an act of merry which would augment, if that were pinsible, the devotion of the Irish bosom towards her. A more grateful act to the feelings of all classes in Irelaad, or one more acceptable to the country at large, could not be performed. ((Teen) He should support the motion of the hon. and learned member. Mr. MONSELL must say that the gavel/swat had shown every diapesition to meet all re4senable suggestions on behalf of Mr. Smith O'Brien, tut he thought the colonial autho• titles had not evinced the sante desire. Lord J. RUSSELL said that he thought that the house would be of opinion that it would be more to the advantage of the public that they should not diecti , a this question before they took the eep,rt of the commissioners into considers. tion. Ile had no objec.ion to allowing an early day for the consideration of the matter. Friday wee already disposed of, and he wrii'd leave it to the house whether they should dis cuss it on Thursday or Moxday next. After • few words from Mr. D. Osb,rne, Mr. Dope, and Cot. B.l:ithorpe, Mr. REYNOLDS said that it may be objected that, being an Irish member of parliament, be shout t take no part in this (Us mad , a. flower, as great inconvenience wee ex pected to arise from having the exhibition ,n Hyde park, he would take the liberty of augge‘ting how the difficulty could be overcame. For the informati on of hon. gentlemen who had not had the advantage of visiting the city that he repre sented, he begged to inform them that her Majesty was the proprietor of • park in the city of Dublin called Plemnix pak—(Laughtetr)—•hich was he understood the largest and mut beautiful park in Europe. There was a portion of it called the Fifteen eVores, be the same more or las, which ie the times of duelling war consecrated by trials of the valour and courage of his countrymen. (Laughter.) That portion of it comprised about rimy acre., and in the name of his fellow-cite:me he would beg to offer to Ilia Royal Highntas Prince Albert, and to the noble lord, and t..ose who were seated with him in the committee the fee simple of the Fifteen Acres fc r the exhibition—(laughter)— and he could assure them that the people of Dublin would be exmedingly ob'iged to them for accepting it for that purpose. They would not consider it • grievance if the axe were applied to any of the trees and would not exclaim with the hon. and gallant member for Lincoln t' Woodman spare that tees"—(laughter)—bat would allow them to cut down as many as they wished in their anxiety to promote such an (abandon. (Hear, hear.) Dublin had many advaneeses for such • purpose, inasmuch es it wee very close to Yorkshire and Lancashire, and as Oelway was the next parish to America. Under all these circumstances, he would advise the royal commission to take the a ugmtion, and to accept tt • Fifteen Acres. (Laughter.) Mr ALCOCK recommended Battersea!park in preference to Hyde-pork, on account of its propirquity to the railroad and the river Tutus. After a few words from Sir L °Tams, Mr. HAWES thought it right to say that, from his knowledge cf what had passed, the governor of Van Die men's Land had been actuated is the enure , he had pursued to Mr. O'Brien only by a Naha of duty as will to thc crown as ti the prisoner. If, however, his health was failing, the subject would be brought under the attention of the gover nor, and Mr. O'Brien would receive all the attention necessary. In the course the governor had pursued, he had been actuated only by a sense of du'y, and not by any desire to press harshly on the prisoner. Mr. EWART believed if Mr. O'Brien was suffering solitary confinement, that was • punishment which, under the strict interpretation of the law, he was not liable to. (Hear.) He hoped the government would give to the case, that co•sid. ration to which it was entitled. Lord J. RUSSELL hoped the house would not take the discussion at the present time. The comusiksionin were using every means of forwarding the decision of the matter by convert meetings. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE mid that he had given notice of a question, thinking it would be desirable for the c instals stoners to consider the subject, in consequence of the diu.itis faction expressed in various quartets. He might mention that the vestry of St. George's, Hanover-square, had passed a vote condemnatory of the site of Hyde-park, and he be lieved that it had been communicated to the commissioner. It there were good reasons for adherink to the original propo sition he thought the noble lord's ecutse was to give notice to the public. As to the question of eapenee he thought that was the most important point of all, bec ause they might depend upon it, that it would come ' to that at list. We should see some of the commissioners getting up with a dismal face, and saying, " We relied oa voluntary contribution.; but we are sure the exhibition will cooed 200,0001 or 300,0001., and we have only got 100,0001. ; and this being a national affair, we hope you will not allow ' as to be out of pocket to this amount of money." They I ought to come to some understanding with the govern meat, whether the were diaposed to advance soy money. If they were so disposed, let them do it at once, liberally ; let us not see these parties o about begging from door to door. He saw that all the different corporations bad been canvassed, and the corporation of Wiabeach had given 61. oily. (A laugh.) If It had come to that, hie right bon. friend at the the head cf the Board of Trade need not rely on voluntary contributions. It would WIN to en icemen of the poor-rates, because somehow or other the public had an idea that where masses wire megregated there must be polies and military. If the whole Wog was a failure, there WU an end of it; but if it was successful, there would be hundreds end hundreds of thousands fli.ckieg from all parts of the world to this town. The correspondence was then ordered to be laid ea the table. ..... Mr. S. CRAWFORD, while admitting that measures of rare custody were necessary, deprecated measures of severity beyond. In the north of Ireland, though there wee no attempt to justify Mr. O'Brien in the course he had adopted, there wee a universal reeling of compassion for him, and nothing would give greater satisfaction in that, or in all other parts of Ireland, than to hear that her Majesty had been pleased to exercise her royal prerogative of mercy in his favour. *Hear ) After a few words in explanation from Mr. AN/STET. Col. DUNNE expressed his concurrence in the views of the hon. member for Montrose with regard to the opening of letters addressed to members of parliament, and declared his intention of esipoortiog the motion. Col. THOMPSON saw no reason why a different coitus should be pursued in the case of ens convict than another, and nave credit to the government for having been the first practically to abolish capital punishment in cases of high tressoa. The house then divided. For going into committee For Mr. Anstoy's motion SUPPLY.-CIVIL SERVICES. The house having gone into committee on the vote of 126,00 W. for the purposes of public education in Great Britain — Mr. EWART rose to move that a statement be made on the part of the government, on going into the education esti mates (es was done on going into the estimates for the army, navy, ant ordoanoe), of the sums appropriated each year to the purposes of education; the attribution of those sums; the rt lathe increase of common schools lof al sorts receiving grants from government; the number and progress of schools of design ; and of all educational institutions (Including public libraries, and museums or galleries of art and science), for which money was voted by parliament. It with the the view of extending the necessary Information to the pablio through the medium of the preen, that he wished the statement to be made by the minister. Sir G. GREY admitted that the different matters to which the attention of the house had just been called were very important, but, is his opinion. It would be extrem e ly difficult for any one minister to make such a gcnersl state- meat as the hon. gentleman suggested, and for this reason, that the subjects comprised iu the vote were subjects which tame under different departments of the government. He (Sir G. Grey) was willing to make a viva vane statement with regard to public education in Great Britain, but he must remind the house that the fullest information as to the appropri.tion of the grants was to be found in the reports laid before pa:Hammy and la the " Minutes of the Com mittee of Council on E location." His right hon. colleague the President of the Board ol Trade, under whose wool sante the schools of design came, would doubtless afford in- formation en that subject; and so on with rei,ard to the dif ferent other departments. (Ilia.) TI:o estimated appro priation of the education vote for the present year as Placed under thirteel heads, amounted altogether to 151,3001. Under the first head, 627 schools hail resolved assistance out of the grant, and the number of LORD LIEUTENANCY ABOLITION (IRELAND) BILL. In answer to Mr. RITKOWIr. • Lord J. RUSSELL said that he would state on Thursday what course he would take ea regards the bill. STEAM COMMUNICATION WITH SOUTH AUSTRALIA. Mr. UIVETT, in reFereOcetoth• steam communication with the South Australian colonies, asked wheat. r there was any otjsetion to lay btfore the house the correspondence which had Whin place with the East India Company on that question ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that, as to the correspondence, be could not say anything without communicating with the But India Company. Mr. 11000 slid that the Ram India Company wets as anxious as any Iris. member could be to complete the steam navigation between Singapore and South Australia. SUPPLY. On the order of the day being read for going into com mittee of supnly, and taking clan No. 4, Mr. GILAD3TONE pratested against the votes being taken out o: their order. He thought the order of 'apply teas a very se rious matter, and that it should not be altered without notice. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that they were not changing the order of votes. After • few words from Mr. Hume, Col. Sibthorp, end Mr. Alderman Sydney, Mr. NEW DEGIATE stated that No. 4 vote was for Mu tation In Maitland, and No. 2 for education in !plena, and the deepest inland mss molted by both these subjects, but children la the mho& was 97,307. Under the second bead, INT grants had be mode, amounting te 11,6001. The somber of embeds wader this head warn 1,361; teachers, 681 apprentices, 3,381; and the amo un t con ditionally awarded this year leas 88,1111. Tee other (tense explained them selves. Grants wen mode to various societies with the view of promotvag the general edem a / a s of the people ; and the peeper estimates Mappropeietio• for the next year were given naundertie head. Mr. HUME ',Doubt the seepages thrown out by the boa. member for Demetrios (Mr. Swart) a very valuable I one. The practice in France was to give the statistics I regarding education through the press; sad a most ex• sellout practice It was. He wished to see a minister of edu cation I. this country, who should bring the subject Ily forward. Ho had always voted in favour of grants for edu adios with great pleasure, because he thought the people of this country required to De morally and politically instructed He regretted that one general plan of education could not he passed, because there was a lamentable amount t , f igno ru ist es pervading the country, parti cu l ar ly th e agr i cu l tura l drict.. Mr. SLANEY thought it would be highly eatiaLetory to be favoured with Inch * mat. meet so the one suggested by the hoe. minable for Dankly'. Mr. W. J. FOX complained that la the papers delivered about a fortnight ego there wee au omission of the educe. Nobel attainments of the criminals in the prisons. Paid calms were given of the age and we as usual, but not of their condition as to whether they could read or write. Sir 0. GREY promised to ascertain the mime of the orris don of which the hon. gsn'leman complained. Mr. HENLEY sated whether hon. members would be precluded from discussing the grant for Koehn. Hall upon the bringing up of the 'ghat, if they formally assented to it now ? sir G. GREY said that of coarse until the vote was re ported an member would be concluded. Mr. 81'00:1ER asked for an explanation of the large sum of 17,001. tar travelling i zpenses, salaries, and swirl:al clerks t 131 i G. GREY said that th• sum of 16,0001. Gut of 17,0001. as espouses of staff and establishment was expended for the travelling expenses, dm ' of the insrectors of schools. Mr. HATTER said that the vote was slightly increased by merlon of the addition of several temporary clerks. The vote was then agreed to, LS was ales a vote of 125,0001. to defray the expenses of commissioners°, national educltion In Ireland. On the vote of 14,7551.0 defraythe expenses of the schools of design and normal schools, Mr. EWART asked for some information on the increase. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the increase of 5,0001 over lute year was owing to the :pease from the outfit feted. After a short conversation, in which Mr. Muse, and Mr. Ewaset• tack part, the vote was agreed to. On the vote of 2.0001. to pay the salaries of certain pro fessors in the Universities of Offload and Cambridge, Mr.EWART complained of the deficient information con veyed by the universities on the subject of diplomacy. Foreign countries had long the adnntafee over us in regard to it, and he now gave notice that on a future rocas' , n he would move that an examination be required for diploma tists, as an the cue of the army, the matinee, and the e x else, and that a professor of diplomacy be appointed. Mr. lIUME concurred in thioking en examination desira ble, but whet be considered of still more utility was tnat attaches to foreign embassies ought to undetstand and speak the language of the countries to which they were tint. Mr. W. J. FOX thought it would be well to consider whether the lectures to which this vote applied were open to the public or confined to the wealthy classes in the commu nity. Air. C. LEWIS said that when his hon. friend the mem ber for Dumfries spoke of foreign countries having diplomatic profess rs he supposed he eluded to Germany ; where he belie v d there were some lectures on the science of diplo matic', which flgnifird dijlomss, or ancient deeds and anti ien lore. (Lsugbter ) Ile presumed that the seience of ointornert in this country came under the science of the " law of nations." (Hear, hear.) Mr. GLADSTONE complained of the continued levying of taxes on de;lree►—a tax which was totally inconsistent with the present feeling in the house with regard to e luca lion. The heads of coll►ges would, he believed, be willing to find a substitute. With regard to the proposal of the hon. member for Dumfries, he admitted that the study of dieloroacy would in the case of a class of students be •ery beneficial ; and he hoped the recent arrangements b,th at Oxford and Cambridge would aft-rd facilities for that branch of study. (Hear, hear.) Mr. LENNARD said that the study of the law of nations and the study of modern history now formed a useful branch of study at Cambridge; and be believed the benefits of both tbcse atu lies were likely to be extended. Mr. V. SMITH agreed with the right hon. member (Mr. Gladstone), that it was desirable that the tax en decrees should be Mr. EWART hoped the noble lord (1. - ird Palmerton) would give him an esturance that the subject which ha had introduced should receive his attention. Viscount PALNIERSTON tr'd be should no doubt be able to make arrangement" for examining tho,e who were about to enter on their hint Mr. ANS CEY slid that nearly all who received diplo- matic appointments from the Foreign office were ignorant of the nature of diplomacy. Then was no person engaged in Russian diplomacy who was not fit to ta, dergs an exa mination. 2,8981. Bs. 9d. wee oral Tied to deha y th e f ' Retie observatories at Toronto, th e C ape of Goo rr Ho orn i li Van Diemen's Land ; a l so f or obseations and set, - ; ear. eying on under the direction of the Ast ronomer Royal, and other scientific works and publications. Mr. annual re HLIME eskid whether th e persons employed mod, ports? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that the officers of artillery, of a scientific turn, were will t o undertake these observations, they were reduced frau th e i r report. The vote was agreed to. 10,0001. wes proposed towards defraying the expre ee of erecting on the Earthen Mound, in the c i ty o f Ediobor4h, Ineildisgs for a national ry and other purpoirs con nected therewith, sod with the promotion has i r e in in Scotland. In reply to Mr. Mass, Mr. G. CRAIG said the plan had met with the universal approval of the artists. Me. BRIGHT said that he had been is Eii.,h esa b on several cm:miens, and he doubted, from the ale. mance of the city, whether it was at all necessary that the pyryh s funds should be voted for this purpose. ilsnehestrr, Leeds, and Birmingham, might make tar greater clams tut a vote of this nature. Mr. V. SMITH considered that the vote hid been pro duced in a very loose manner. Mr. HUME understood this to be a buiPing f , r a nu tional gallery for the public sahitmtion of work. In the fine arts, and also a school for the fine arts, which wh. now ins. dequately provided fur. lle had not sren tr. plane. but he understood they were not more than were autlicitnt for the metropolis. There was ri rising ..cho-,1 of t:,.. foe art, is Edinburgh, and the artiste had shown Cosa:thimble talent. Mr. B. OSBOitNE th•naiht at lei.st that they 'Aloe ,to have the vats postponed until they had the con,. 'pendency, and therefore he moved that the rota b e postponed. Sir G. CRAIG said that tho rehool in S:otland had pr). duced Wilkie and other rrtiste. Tae erhu:e ezitase wou:d be 40,0001. Colonel SIBTHORP mites d his lean lest, as the result of what was about to be done, some persons at the un ♦ersi tits should become too vise. Education might be carried to such an 'crane mto be detrimental. Mr: STANFORD denied thaith.. university education of this country wu detective. The universities sent out men who were fi ted for public life, and men who excelled in all the leading professions. If the government would have an eye to the talent annually exhibited at the universitie., they would gird the gr, atest procticablc encouragement to uni versity education. After a few words from Mr. HOPE, the vote wu d to. 3,9671. was voted to defray the expenses of the University of London. On 7,4501. being prorsed for grants to the S:ottish uni versities, Mr. ENVAIZT eemplainel that the inhabitants of the towns where the univasitics ez:sted were denied access to the libraries. Mr. lIUME thought that where the public contributed money to the formation of libraries, the inhabitants of the towns in whith they were kept should share the benefit. Mr. P. MAULE said the best attention of the government had been directed to the arc,mmodetion of the public in all there matters ; but if they were to interfere with the Univer sity libraries, they would cease to serve their proper purpose. the vote wrs then agreed to. Three hundred pouuds were toted for the Royal Irbil Academy. _ . _ 6100/. was voted for the Royal Dublin Society. 43001. was voted for the payment of the salaries of the tneological professors of the Queen's College of Belfast. , a vote of 39,.5'191. for the new buildings and tidings of the Bri , ish Museum being proposed, Mr. WYLD wished to know whether it was the inten tion to apply any part of this money to the getting room for the reception of mod, to works, for which there was no room at present. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that that was tot the proper time to put that Tuition. This wit the usual annual rote. Mr. PARKER sail that there were alterations about to take place in the registration of books, which world soon be brought into operation. He must alto add that, under the present arrangements there was no better or more accommo dating reading room in Europe. Sir R. H. INOLIS concurred in the opinion that there shcull be more accommodation, though he thought that there existed more in the library of the Museum than in any reading rinm e!Pewhere. Mr:HUME having expressed an opinion that there was net sufficient accommodation, wished to know whether any determination was come to of publishing an appendix to the report of th., commissioners. Lord SEYMOUR said that 100 copies had been published, and that that number had been considered sufficient. In cones woes of an observation by Sir H. VIRNIT, Sir R. INGLIS said that the rules which were now in operation were not to be considered as Mr. Pantrat's, but as more of the whole of the trustees, who should be looked upon as responsible. Mr. PARKER said that any man who was acquainted with books, or with Mr. Panirzi, must know that he was • min who did his duty better than any other man could perform it. Sir H. VERNEY wished to find whether it was the opinion of the house that there should be • finding catalogue or not._ _ Mr. EWART thought that some accommodation should be afttried in the evening to that portion of the public who could not read in the day time. The vote was agreed to. Oa the vote that a sum of 3,0501 be stran'ed to her Ma jesty to en►ble the trustees of the British Museum to defray expenses incurred in pro:uring antiquities for the museum, Mr. IIUME hoped that government would make no pur chases until all the other purchases were properly arranged. He did not object to Layard's collecti.m, but various e.llec tions were not yet clamed and properly arranged. Sir R. H INGLIS said th►t the government of France had prepared en expedition the moment the discoveties had been made in Mesopotamis. We had suff. red the great dis coveries of Layard to remain on the strand at Bussorah till they sunk in the mud, and after all they were to he removed by freighting a small merchantman. The 'sample of France might ;usefully be adopted by the government. The vote was agreed to. 1,5001. beicg proposed for the expenses cf the National Oallery, Mr. SLANEY suggested that the gallery should be open one day in teen week on payment of 6i., in order that per sons who objected to the conduct of the commonalty might have the exclusive use of the gallery to themselves. The vote was agreed to. Oa the sum of 19,0001. king proposed to defray the ex peaces ot the Geologic,' Survey of Great Britain and Ire land, the Museum of Practical Geology, and the Museum of Irish Indurry, Dublin, Mr. EWART asked when the new Museum of Practical Otolo g y in Jernsvn-street was to be on•ned ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—Before the end of the tsent financial year. Mr. HUME asked en what terms it would be opened? Lord SEYMOUR said that it would only be opened on certain days , ts the public. Mr. BRIGHT asked what was the meaning of 6,0001. if) the vote, tor he found that last year, in the estimates, there wane timed a sum for fUtlng up the LOW building? He could not un•lerstand how 12,0001. could be expended in this warming and ventilating of the new building, as described in the vote. _ _ . .- .......... The eIIANCELLOR of the Excuiquaa's reply did Dot reach the gallery. The Tote Wu rgreed to. Mi. Bli!OHT did not think the explanation wee at all satisfactory, because 23.0001. way to lie given out of the public funds. The CHANCELLOR of the EX :Halt:Eß thought it fair that some distinction -hould be made w favour of L an . don, Edinburgh. sad Duhlin, in preference to weer towns Colonel SISTHORP thought that in dealing with the; public money they should he just before being generous. Mr. COWAN roceidered that the Scotch arial. nee, io every way, worthy of consideration and patrtmage aa n h a therefore hoped the vote would be mud. Mr. B. OSBORNE should protest against the vote ur.:ets the plan and correspondence were I 'id, on the ta',.e, wise he should divide the house. (Hear, hear.) Sir 0. CRAIG never met a vote more ma - curate in detail, and he therefore hot ed it would be postoon.d. After a few words from Mr. V. Smolt, who .ho sug gested postponement, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ennov e g to withdraw the vote. The next vote, 4,00/ defrey "be expenses of the ci'il estahlishment of the Bermudas, was then passed without opposition. COLONIAL CLERGYMEN. Mr. BRIGHT misfit d to know when her Majesty's mink tens would be prepared to give the home an eteount of the cireurontsnees under which they were caked pal to r . ,te sums of money for ecclesieries in North Am- faca and the colonies? They were eppoitted under act of parliament, some of which were ab:ut to sere; and he, therefore, thought before the house prot.,edeoi p► an y further votes they a .ould I o informed on matter. IR his opinion it was too bad that they altou'A Le octet' upon to vote 40,0001. or 50,0001. 'seri year for too terry of the colonies. (Hear, bear.) Lord J. ItUsSELL was understozd to state in reply that, as he bad previously intimated, he would state ;he course of public business on lhunday aoSo Koso. Mr. MITCHELL gave mows that, on the res• niett of sup,dy, he would pot certain (Intestinal' to hkr S 1 j stl's sisters iu reticence to the stets of Hong-XAni. The house then risme& COURT OF EXCHEQUER (IRELAND) DILL, NEN AND MANUFAC 1 CUES 1;11.1., AND THE BOROUGH BRIDGES DILL. Those bills severally passed through committee. Toe house having resumed. the other orders of the day were disposed of, and the house adrurned at 20 mmatts after 12 o'clock. Ede erase. .O . IITGOING The mails for Modena, the Brazil., and Buenos Apo, wi:l ta made up on the erciting of July 4. The mails for British Nnrth Amerlea atd the United States will be made up on the evening of July i. The mails for Lisbon, Spun, and Gibraltar will be mare un on July 7. The mail. rid Marseilles, to the Mediterraxesn, Ezypt, C ylon, India, Hong-Kong, ifte., will be made up on the e7cnin„l of July 8. The West India Mails, excluding Bermuda, Harannah, Nassau, fondues., New Orleans, and Blezica, wd including this for Madeira, St. Juan-de-Nicaragua, New Granada, Chili, and Peru, will be made up en the mornirg of July 17. The mails for Gibraltar, Malta, Greece, the lonuus Islands, ggypt, Ceylon, India, anl Chna, via Southampton, will le made up on the morning of July 20. RIOH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE. ; Tnunaow—Yuuca, A it;;;74,. 71 11a. Lftensoos. *a. 7a. LONDON, TrESDAY, JULY 2. WE trust that the lesson of the last momentous week will not be left upon the Whigs. It any party in parliament and in the country has cause to complain of Lord Jour Itt'sser.t. and his cabinet, it decidedly has been the radicals. Excluded most se dulously from power, some portion of their kens stolen without gratitude, and the rest repudiated, too often with contumely I use made of them to star pub. lic opinion, and ktep at bay the exigencies and as saults of the fanatic aristocracy, and this without gain or acknowledgment, we are not sur prised at the more eminent men of the thorough liberal party preferring to brave any coi,tingeney, rather than by a strained vote in favour of ministers secure to them the power to continue past unfairness and old mattruvres. We think these Lading men to have b:cn wrong; but we can understand and appreciate the telings as well as the motives in ob.dience to which they Set.d. No doubt one of these motives was the belief that whatever ministry arose on the overthrow of the present, it could not but make more popular concessions, than the ministers have thought it right or prudent to make these later years. We trust that the whizs wit feel the necessity of proving by their future c , r.duot that this comparative estimate of their power aid inter ference, and of those that other middle party, was incorrect. And ministers may depecd upon i: that if they go on refusing all extension of the franchise, all ! serious reductions, and i qual repartition of taxation, —if they continue to rule the country end the colo nies exclusively by the Lord Joins and Lord Geoe,lys, and if their universal principle is still to be to conciliate the tory tee and spurn the liberal friend, we promise them that when a week and a crisis like thosejust past shall have arrived, they w'll not tind the same unanimity, the samo devotion, the same forgetfulness of ju-t causes of complaint, which have characterised the liberal party on this occasion. Whigs and Peelites have now held power alter nately since the year of reform. Sastained as they have been by popular opinion in all their just mea sures, they have, ne v ertheless, failed to secure either the people's rights or even their own position. Recent events show that the people, and the House of Commons, and free trade, and the liberal cause in , Europe, are all at the mercy of a rote in the House o f Lords—an avowedly aristocratic, high.priestly, and landlord assembly—an assembly which &Aloes every act of progress from catholic emancipation down to the repeal of the corn law. and which would abrogate every one of them from first to last to-morrow if they durst. There is little fear of their doing so, as long as the people aro medico and interested. But their vote, reversing our foreign policy, shows that on any question, or at any moment, when they may cocsi der the public indifferent, they are quite ready to descend from their Olympus, and to take the guid ance of affairs, with the hope of giving them a retro grade direction. Having such an example, such proof, before their eyes, the whigs must be traitors to themselves, to their supporters and their cau se, they do not direct their e ff orts towards strengthening the popular party by a large extension of the au:- frage. We have pleaded long and long since for the neces sity of this, and urged that free trade itself could never be considered safe as long as it existed by the tolerance, not the adherence, of the dominant political parties. Free trade, though it has benefited the masses, has deranged the habits and crippled the re sources of certain classes. They are more active in their discontent, than the public iu their general gratitude and satisfaction. Every one must see that in the recent attack on the Foreign office, it was considered hut the bastion or the outwork thrnugk which the assai into were to get at the citadel of free trade. They were nearer success than is imagined ; and if they ap parently have been so far from success, this has been owing less to the want of power to overthrow, thou t the' lete the ' o tro tbe g: tior tiot Jibe the 1 ope bee the the the Tb sec chi do. wit ere till rat sn , the thi tit tbi fOl FU cu eic re; ni to b. tri a of in tt ar ul ac to ui It is di of tl ti it 11 F I f. It ai t ra , • fi