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THE PRESS, 1 11 FBRUARY 6, 1858. Vroutbinp in V arliantent. HOUSE OF LORDS.—Titurtst)xy, The House of Lords reassembled this day in terms o f adjournment from the 12th of December. The Lord Chancellor took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock, at which time a considerable number of peers were present. Lord EBURY and Lord CnEssAm, the two recently created peers, took the oaths and their seats. LAW OF LIBEL. Lord CAMPBELL brought in a bill, founded on the report of a select committee of last session, to amend the law of libel. It is to give, in the first place, immunity to all correct accounts of the proceedings of both Houses of Parliament ; in the second, immu• nity to all faithful accounts of lawful public meetings wh►re no loss or damage had been done by the publication ; and, in the third place, it would contain a definition of what should be considered a public meeting assembled for a lawful purpcse. The bill was then read a first t►me. BANKRUPTCY TAWS. The Loan CHANCELLOR, in answer to Lord Brougham, said a bill to amend the laws of bank ruptcy had been prepared and actually printed, but all he could say at present was that it was under the consideration of the Government. THE ARMY, &C., IN INDIA. Lord PANMURE gave nctico that on Monday he would move a vote of thanks to the army and navy in India. The Earl of DERBY asked who would be included in the vote of thanks? _ _ _ Lord PASMURE was understood to say, the Com missioner of the Punjaub, the military, naval, and marine officers, and all who had been engaged in the suppression of the mutiny. formed soldiers, not sickly recruits, and to raise regiments in the colonies. Then, too, there was the war in China, in which nothing had as yet been done, and to carry on which "miserable war" we had been obliged to withhold the means of successfully operating in India, and to cripple the home defences of the country. The Earl of Derby then alluded to the recent attempt to assassinate the Emperor of the French as a subject upon which he had certainly expected the Government to have referred to. If there was anything which excited the indignation of an Englishman it was assassination, and if any thing could increase that feeling it would he assassi nation plotted against the life of so valuable an ally —against one " who has proved himself to be a firm friend of this country, one whose life I do not hesitate to say is of infinite value and importance to the friendly relations between this country and France, as well RS to the maintenance of peace and good order throughout Europe "; and it made "the blood of an honest Englishman boil to find that anyone is so deluded, so infatuated, so embittered by hostility to this country as to be persuaded into a belief that Englishmen, forsooth, connived at and sanctioned such an atrocity." But it must be remembered that these conspirators, or, at any rate, the chief of them, so long as he remained in England, was perfectly peaceable and inoffensive, and gave no cause for suspicion, and that no enforce- ment of our laws could have enabled us to interfere with him : What was Pierri? He was a man who for some years had been living at Birmingham as a peaceful citizen, earning his livelihood by the honest pursuit of a teacher of languages ; he was not known to belong to any dange rous conspiracy, nor to be mixed up with any one engaged in secret plots. As long as Pierri remained in Birming ham he was perfectly safe and inoffensive—neither the object of suspicion nor of danger. But then it has been said, " Why did you allow him to leave Birmingham and go to France ?" It was no part of our business to prevent him ; we were not to perform the office of gaolers. ( Hear, hear.) In this country every man is free to go and come when, where, and how he pleases, as long as he is guilty of no offence against our laws. But I must say if any lesson is to be drawn from the manner in which the late unhappy attempt became so nearly successful, and, was only baffled by a special interposition of Providence, that lesson is the utter inutility of the vexatious system of passports. ( Hear, hear.) It has long been the rule at the Foreign-office of this country only to grant passports to our own subjects. The danger arising from Pierri arose, not from his presence in England, but when he landed in France. Howdi ihe obtain the means of getting there? He obtained a passport to enter Belgium, not with the connivance or assistance of the British Govern ment, but, I believe, one signed by the French Vice-Consul in Birmingham. Well, he proceeded to Belgium, and, I believe, the police of that country, who knew him, gave notice to the French Government that he was in Belgium and upon his way •.o Paris. To Paris he went, and there, and not in Birmingham, he remained a week complet ing his arrangements for the meditated crime, and em ployed in consultation with his co•conspirators. The plot might have been de - ised in England, but in the French capital it was carried into execution,—and carried into execution, too, by persons who had arrived there by means of passports furnished to them by a French consul, and who conducted their proceedings in the very face of that which we have been accustomed to regard as a most vigilant and active police, but which we must, I think, now consider to be a body upon which no great credit is re flected by the circumstance that they permitted this atrocious attempt at assassination to reach a point so near to success. (Hear, hear.) So far as the case of Pierri is concerned, therefore, I maintain that whatever may he the state of the law in thia country there was no neglect upon our part, and that we had it in oar power to take no step which could afford to the Emperor of the French that security which I think he had a night to ex pect from the exercise of greater caution upon the part of his own consul in the granting of passports, and from the vigilance of his police. (Hear, hear.) - As a general rule, however, and considering all the circumstances of the case, there could be no doubt that the Government of this country was bound to keep its eye on such dangerous members of society as thes3 foreign conspirators, and to warn foreign Governments of any plot against the life of a Sove reign which might be brought under its notice. This might be done without violating the sacred right of asylum, and if that were done the French nation would have no right to demand that men, of what ever nation they might be, should be arrested and punished on mere suspicion, and not on positive proof : Now, my lords, I say without hesitation that, not for the security of the Sovereign of France, or of all the sovereigns of Europe twenty times over, would I consent to violate in the slightest degree that sacred right of asylum to foreigners by which our history has always been characterised. (Cheers.) Of the advantages of that asylum, men of all political shades of opinion have ever freely partaken. Ity many of them it has, I regret to say, been most shamefully and ungratefully abused—( Hear, hear)—and Ido not hesitate to add that such men are guilty of a serious crime ngainst the world and against humanity, inasmuch as they imperil, by the suspicions which their conduct raises against her, the land which in the hour of their dis tress has held out to them—and which holds out to all who are similarly situate—a place of refuge and protection. (Hear, hear.) Bat not because of the crimes of those 125 people, nor because of any consequences which may flow from them, would I for one consent to destroy, or even to relax, that privilege of asylum which England affords to all those who du not act in direct disobedience to her laws. (Hear, hear.) There is also another measure which I am sure no Government would propose, and which, even if they did, I feel convinced no Parliament would sanction—that is, that any man should be punished upon mere suspicion in this country, and not upon evi dence brought against him in the face of day. (Hear, hear.) If, my lords, the people of France are unreason• able enough to expect such a sacrifice of feeling and principle upon the part of the English nation, they aro lamentably mistaken—(cheers)—and, however I may regret that illwill should for a moment be engendered ' between them and ns, all such considerations must yield to the preservation in its perfect integrity of that vital principle to which I have inst referred. (Hear, hear.) But, while I maintain that no person ought to be punished in this country except upon clear evi lenee of his guilt, I am disposed to think it a question well worthy of the attention of the Government bow far the laws at present in existence can be put in force for the prevention of offences of the heinous nature to which I have been alluding. I do not presume to express any opinion as to the specific measures which may be introduced with the view of striking somewhat more of terror into the minds of the persons by whom such crimes are contemplated, and for the purpose of making manifest to the sensitive people of Fnnoe the sincerity of our expression of good will in their regard ; but I may, nevertheless, give utter ance to the hope that her Majesty's Ministers ma} be able to see their way to the framing of some law which may prove effectual for the suppression of those attempts at assa , sination while it does not infringe upon the vital principles of the Constitution. ( Hear, hear.) To the enactment of such a measure as that, Parliament would, I feel assnred, be prepared to give a cheerful assent. (Hear, hear.) Lord GRANVILLE offered a general reply to Lord Derby. When the time came Lord Panmure would, no doubt, prove that we had not been remiss in sending troop to India, and that things were not in so bad a state with regard to reinforcements as Lord Derby supposed. With regard to the China war, which, it must be remembered, bad been " delibe rately and triumphantly sanctioned" by the nation, be denied that it was a failure, or that it had hampered our Indian operations. As to the attempt on the life of the Emperor of the French, no one could regret more than the Government the publication of the intemperate addresses to which reference had been made ; but it would be quite unworthy of a great nation like this to allow any temporary and mistaken excitement on the part of the French nation to prevent it from adopting a right course. Nothing would induce the Government to give up the right of refuge to outcast foreigners, or to abridge their liberty, so long as they obeyed the law. At the same time, it was the duty of the Government, when so heinous an act had been perpetrated, to the universal execration of all right-thinking men, to examine th., taw, and see if it contained any defects which might be amended. Suchen examination had been made, and a measure based on it would be brought in next week in the Lower House to prevent the dastardly crimes of conspiracy to assassinate or to murder. The Earl of MAIMEBBURY said he should like to know when and where the new Parliament had ex pressed an opinion in favour of the Chinese war. He should like also to know what were the views of the Government with respect to the government of India : At a crisis like the present, in the midst of a rebellion not half quelled, he could conceive nothing more injurious to the future ♦elfare of India than to meddle with the government of that great empire. He did not mean to say that that government required no reform, or that the double government was better than any other system which could be adopted; but he contended that it was most foolish and fatal to bring forward a new scheme of administration for India when that country was disturbed from one end to the other. If one of their lordships' houses were in flames, wonld they, before the fire was ex- tinguished, send for an architect to plan a new building? In his opinion the two cases were nearly analogous. Earl GRANVILLE stated that it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to bring in a bill for the better government of India. Lord PANMURE explained that the troops which had been despatched to India had been sent with all possible expedition, and in a state of the highest efficiency. With regard to horses, it was impossible to send them from this country in sufficient numbers , bat it was probable that a sufficient number of horses will be obtained from the Cape, from Aus tralia, and from the countries adjoining our Indian possessions, to mount the cavalry we have sent out : A constant stream of Loon recruits per month were flowing into India; and if that addition to our force should be insufficient, I believe the recruiting service is in such a satisfactory state as to enable us even to increase the number. lint we are at present engaged in raising a regiment in Canals, to be called the 100th Regiment, and to be added to the regiments of the line. The Earl of DERBY inquired whether it was in tended that these regiments shuuld not only be raised in the c3lonies, but officered by colonists ? That was a point of the greatest possible importance. ._._ . TH E PRESS, r -,,• FBRUARY 6 1858, , 125 ,-------_. . • formed soldiers, not sickly recruits, and to raise people, nor because of any consequences which may flow Vroutbigs in V arliantent. regiments in the colonies. Then, too, there was the from them, would I fur one consent to destroy, or even to war in China, in which nothing had as yet been relax, that privilege of asylum which England affords to done, and to carry on which "miserable war" we had all those who du not act in direct disobedience to her HOUSE OF LORDS.—Titurisosy, been obliged to withhold the means of successfully laws. (Hear, hear.) Thgre is also another measure The House of Lords reassembled this day in terms operating in India, and to cripple the home defences which lam sine no Government would propose, and of adjournment from the 12th of December. The of the country. The Earl of Derby then alluded to which, even if they did, 1 f ee l con vi nc ed n o P ar liament would sanction—that is, that broughtsp any man should be p unished su againstieio n in him this in tb Lord Chancellor took his seat on the woolsack at the recent attem p t to assassinate the Em p eror of the n dance neon I nere e country,and f aceo f d no a t y. o ( is e H e ar vi : five o'clock, at which time a considerable number of French as a su bj ect u p on which he had certainl y d peers were present. expected the Government to have referred to. If hear.) If, my lords, the p eo pl e o f F rance are unr n• Lord EBURY and Lord CnEssAm, the two recently there was anything which excited the indignation of able enough to expect such a sacrifi c e o f f ee li n g an d created peers, took the oaths and their seats. . l an Englishman it was assassination, and if any. principle upon the part of th e E ng li s h na ti on , th ey aro LAW OF LIBEL. thing could increase that feeling it would he asaassi amentably mistaken—(cheers)— an d, h owever I ma y Lord CAMPBELL brought in a bill, founded on the nation p lotted a g ainst the life of so valuable an ally regret that illavill should for a momen t b e engen d ere d t b o etw th e e en p t r h es e e m rva a t n io d n u i s n , a i l t i s suc e h ri c e o e n t s i ide t ratio t ns mu h st yield —against one " who has proved himself to be a of t at , vital report of a select committee of last session, to amend principle to which I have fist ref p e n rr e e rs i n i the law of libel. It is to give, in the fi rst place, firm friend of this country, one whose life Ido not Y(Hea r, ought to be immunity to all correct accounts of the proceedings hesitate to say is of infinite value and importance But, while I maintain that no of both Houses of Parliament ;in the second, immu• to the friendly relations between this country punished in this country except upon clear evi knee of nity to all faithful accounts of lawful public meetings and France, as well as to the maintenance his guilt, lam disposed to think it a question well worthy where no loss or damage had been done by the of peace and good order throughout Europe "; of the attention of the Government bow far the laws at publication ; and, in the third place, it would contain and it made " the blood of an honest Englishman present in existence can be put in force for the prevention a definition of what should be considered a public boil to find that anyone is so deluded, so infatuated, of offences of the heinous nature to which I h ave b een meeting assembled for a lawful purpcse. so embittered by hostility to this country as to be alluding. Ido not presume to express any opinion as to The bill was then read a first time. persuaded into a belief that Englishmen, forsooth, th . e specific measures which may be introduced with th e view of striking somewhat more of terror into the minds BANKRUPTCY TAWS, connived at and sanctioned such an atrocity." But of the persons by whom such crimes are contemplated, The LORD CHANCELLOR, in answer to Lord it must be remembered that these conspirators, or, and for the purpose of making manifest to the sensitive Brougham, said a bill to amend the laws of bunk- at any rate, the chief of them, so long as he remained people of France the sincerity of our expression of good- ruptcy had been prepared and actually printed, but in England, was perfectly peaceable and inoffensive, will in their regard ; but I. may, nevertheless, give utter- all he could say at present was that it was under the and gave no cause for suspicion, and that no enforce- ance to the hope that her Majesty's Ministers ma} be consideration of the Government. ment of our laws could have enabled us to interfere able to see their way to the framing of some law which THE ARMY, &C., IN INDIA. with him : may prove effectual for the suppression of those attempts Lord PANMURE gave tactic° that on Monday he What was Pierri? He was a man who for some years ssassination while it does not infrin ge upon the vital at a Principles of the Constitudon. ( Hear , hear.) To the would move a vote of thanks to the army and navy had been living at Birmingham as a peaceful citizen, P r of such enactment in India. earning his livelihood by the honest pursuit of a teacher I feel assured, be prepared to give a cheerful assent. The Earl of DERBY asked who would be included of languages; he was not known to belong to any dange. (Hear, hear.) in the vote of thanks? rous conspiracy, nor to be mixed up with any one engaged in secret plots. As long as Pierri remain in remained in Biring• Lord GRANVILLE offered a general reply to Lord Lord PANMURE was understood to say, the Corn- ham be was perfectly safe and inoffensive—neither the Derby. When the time came Lord Panmure would, missioner of the Punjaub, the military, naval, and object of suspicion nor of danger. But then it has been no doubt, prove that we had not been remiss in marine officers, and all who had been engaged in the said, " Why did you allow him to leave Birmingham and sending troops to India, and that things were not in suppression of the mutiny. go to France?" It was no part of our business to prevent so bad a state with regard to reinforcements as Lord THE STATE OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS. him ;we were not to perform the office of gaolera. ( Hear, Derby supposed. With regard to the China war, Lord GRANVILLE having moved that the house do hear.) In this country every man is free to go and come which, it must be remembered, bad been " delibe- now adjourn, when, where, and how he pleases, as long as he is guilty rarely and triumphantly sanctioned" by the nation, be Lord DERBY said he was surprised that the of no offence against our laws. But I must say if any denied that it was a failure, or that it had hampered Government should have allowed what was virtually lesson is to be drawn from the manner in which the late our Indian operations. As to the attemp t on the un i happ i y id attemptb y ed became .. so nearly . succes sf u l , . and, was a new session to be opened without laying before the o life of the Emperor of the French, no one could special interposition of Providence, that house a summary of the state of. public affairs. les n a y on is the n a tter inutility of the vexations system of regret more than the Government the nublication of Certainly there were matters at home and abroad passports. ( Hear, hear.) It has long been the rule at the intemperate addresses to which reference had calculated to excite the gravest apprehension and the Foreign-office of this country only to grant passports been made ; but it would be quite unworthy of a requiring the most anxious consideration. It was to our own subjects. The danger arising from Pierri great nation like this to allow any temporary and true, indeed, that the monetary crisis had to a great arose, not from his presence in England, but when he mistaken excitement on the part of the French extent passed away, but great distress prevailed landed in France. Howdia he obtain the means of getting nation to prevent it from adopting a right course. among the labouring classes. Then, if we turned to there? He obtained a passport to enter Belgium, not Nothing would induce the Government to give up foreign affairs, what was our position in India? with the connivance or assistance of the British Govern- the right of refuge to outcast foreigners, or to Victories and successes bad been achieved, it was went, but, I believe, one signed by the French Vice-Consul in Birmingham. Well, he proceeded to Belgium, and, I abridge their liberty, so long as they obeyed the law. true, by small bodies of British troops against large believe, the police of that ooantry, who knew him, gave At the same time, it was the duty of the Government, masses of mutineers, but these successes had been notice to the French Government that he was in Belgium when so heinous an act had been perpetrated, to the purchased by the loss of a long list of heroes, and execration of all right-thinking men, to and upon his way •o Paris. To Paris he went, and there, universal there remained yet a task of enormous difficulty to and not in Birmingham, he remained far a week complet- examine th., taw, and see if it contained any defects be accomplished, and which would require double ing his arrangements for the meditated crime, and eta- which might be amended. Suchen examination had the number of troops now in the field to accomplish ployed in consultation with his co-conspirators. The plot been made, and a measure based on it would be satisfactorily : might have been de - ised in England, but in the . } d 're . no t h brought in next week in the Lower House to prevent At this moment Ido not believe Sir Colin Campbell, for capital it was carried into h exeu d tioni 7 an t d h Carrle meansino the dastardly crimes of conspiracy to assassinate or execution, too, by . persons d w o b ha arrived F h ere by any one distinct operation, could muster moo men into murder. arms; and lam morally certain that nearly double the of passports fermate to t h e m . y a the consul, and The Earl of MALWERBURY said he should like to force now in India would not be too much to enable us to who conducted their proceedings in very face oftha t re-establish our empire there, and to restore peace. Now, which we have been accustomed to regard as a most know when and where the new Parliament had ex - I say, with inadequate means, even numerically, you have vigilant and active police, but which we must, I think, now pressed an opinion in favour of the Chinese war. consider to be a body upon which no great credit i s re- He should like also to know what were the views of to aCcohiplise this task ; but I must call your lordslnps , fleeted by the circumstance that they permitted . this the Government with respect to the government of attention to the manner in which this 'number is main- atrocious attempt ( at assassination to f reach the pnt soof India : rained in India. I have heard more than one officer state it as his distinct opinion that the successes which we have near ,. to success. H t e h ar, f hear .) So . t a a r in u that e tees whatever At a crisis like the present, in the midst of a rebellion achieved in India would have been doubled, trebled, and I ierri i s the c o ncerne d , the er la e ore ; I thi main not half quelled, he could conceive nothing more injurious may he state of country there was no even quadrupled, if we had had at a sufficiently early to the future welfare of India than to meddle with the period an adequate amount of cavalry to make good tde neglect upon t ourpart nd w t i h i at we s had it in oar wer tn government of that great empire. He did not mean to advantages we have from time to time gained. ( Hear.) take no thats s t ep w hic h co ' u a ld a ff ord to the Emperor of the say that that government required no reform, or that the Oa every occasion on which we have fought against tin. French security w hich I t hink he had aerght to ex. double government was better than any other system heardmr majarities of the enemy and gained victories, we p act from the ex . ercise o f grea ter . of cautionnpon the pa rt of which could lie adopted ; but he contended that it was have had no cavalry to pursue the fugitives. (Hear, his own consul in the . granting passpo rts , and fro m the most foolish and fatal to bring forward a new scheme of vigilance of his police. (Hear, hear .) hear.) Again, we receive reports of the capture b - , our administration for India when that country was disturbed troops of more guns than the enemy were sail to have with As a general rule, however, and considering all the from one end to the other. If one of their lordships' them in the first instance. This question of cavalry and circumstances of the case, there could be no doubt houses were in flames, would they, before the fire was ex- horses for the artillery was constantly pressed on the that the Government of this country was bound to tinguished, send for an architect to plan a new building? attention of the Government by my noble friend on my keep its eye on such dangerous members of society In his opinion the two cases were nearly analogous. right (the Earl of Ellenborough). Now, what have been as these f ore i gn Earl GRANVILLE stated that it was the intention of sent out? Y o u have sent out a considerable number of conspirators, and to warn . foreign s Governments of any plot against the life of a ove• her Majesty's Government to bring in a bill for the guns, but you have not sent out well-trained gunners, for better government of India. you had them not; nor hare you sent out horses or har- reign which might be brought under its notice. This • Lord PANMURE explained that the troops which mess, and the consequence is that your guns are utterly might be done without violating the sacred right .of and entirely useless. ( Hear, hear.) I well recollect my asylum, an d if t h a t we r e d one th e F r ench nation had been despatched to India had been sent with all noble friend ( the Earl of Ellenborough), when her Ma- would have no right to demand that men, of what- possible expedition, and in a state of the highest iesiY's Government announced their indention of sending ever nation they might be, should be arrested and efficiency. With regard to horses, it was impossible out artillery, pressing the question whether their horses punished on mere suspicion, and not on positive to send them from this country in sufficient numbers , were to be sent with them, but no answer was given to that proof : bat it was probable that a sufficient number of inquiry; and I have been told that to such straits are you Now, my lords, I say without hesitation that, not for the horses will be obtained from the Cape, from Ans- reduced in India for the want of horses, that a number of security of the Sove reign . of France, or of all the sovereigns tralia, and from the countries adjoining our Indian three-year old mares have been taken into the service from of Europe twenty times over, would I consent to violate in possessions, to mount the cavalry we have sent the breeding stud of the Company. (Hear, hear.) Again, the slightest degree that sacred right of asylum to foreigners out : I would beg the earliest attention of your lordships to the by which our history has always been characterised. A constant stream of Loon recruits per month were necessity of keeping up a continual stream of reinforce- (Cheers.) Of the advantages of that asylum, men of all flowing into India; and if that addition to our force went of the small army now in India. Now, even to political shades of opinion have ever freely partaken. By should be insufficient, I believe the recruiting service is in maintain that army on its present footing would require many of them it has, I regret to say, been most shamefully such a satisfactory state as to enable us even to increase 1,500 a month, or 18,000 a year. Ido not believe you are and ungratefully abused—( Hear, hear)—and Ido not the number. But we are at present engaged in raising a raising recruits at that rate, and the men you are sending hesitate to add that such men are guilty of a serious out are raw recruits—( Hear, hear)—mere boys, upon whomregiment in Canada, to be called the 100th Regiment, and disease will commit frightful havoc when they first land in crime against the world and against humanity, inasmuch to be added to the regiments of the line. as they imperil, by the suspicions which their conduct India. (Hear, bear.)The Earl of DERBY inquired whether it was in- s against h er , the land which in the hour of their dile In this position of affairs he should earnest) raise , earues 3' mem . tress has held out to them—and which holds out to all tended that these regiments should not only be internal the Government to embody the militia for the who are similarly minima—a / dam of refuge an d p ro tecti o n, raised in the colonies , but officered by Colonists ? defence of the country, to send out to India (Rev, hear.) But not beam of the (Wm, of time That was a point of the greatest possible importance. • ili THE STATE OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS. Lord GRANVILLE having moved that the house do now adjourn, Lord DERBY said he was surprised that the Government should have allowed what was virtually a new session to be opened without laying before the house a summary of the state of. public affairs. Certainly there were matters at home and abroad calculated to excite tho gravest apprehension and requiring the most anxious consideration. It was true, indeed, that the monetary crisis had to a great extent passed away, but great distress prevailed among the labouring classes. Then, if we turned to foreign affairs, what was our position in India? Victories and successes bad been achieved, it was true, by small bodies of British troops against large masses of mutineers, but these successes had been purchased by the loss of a long list of heroes, and there remained yet a task of enormous difficulty to be accomplished, and which would require double the number of troops now in the field to accomplish satisfactorily : At this moment I do not believe Sir Colin Campbell, for any one distinct operation, could muster 10,000 men in arms; and I am morally certain that nearly double the force now in India would not be too much to enable us to re-establish our empire there, and to restore peace. Now, I say, with inadequate means, even numerically, you have to accohiplish this task ; but I must call your lordships' attention to the manner in whick this 'number is main tamed in India. I have heard more than one officer state it as his distinct opinion that the successes which we have achieved in India would have been doubled, trebled, and even quadrupled, if we had had at a sufficiently early period an adequate amount of cavalry to make good tie advantages we have from time to time gained. ( Hear.) On every occasion on which we have fought against un heard-or majorities of the enemy and gained victories, we have had no cavalry to pursue the fugitives. (Hear, hear.) Again, we receive reports of the capture b - , our troops of more guns than the enemy were said to have with them in the first instance. This question of cavalry and homes for the artillery was constantly pressed on the attention of the Government by my noble friend on my right (the Earl of Ellenborough). Now, what have been Sent out? Yon have sent out a considerable number of guns, but you have not bent out well-trained gunners, for you had them not; nor hare you sent out horses or har ness, and the consequence is that your guns are utterly and entirely useless. ( Hear, hear.) I well recollect my noble friend ( the Earl of Ellenborough), when her Ma jesty's Government announced their intention of sending out artillery, pressing the question whether their horses were to be sent with them, but no answer was given to that inquiry; and I have been told that to such straits are you reduced in India for the want of horses, that a number of three-year old mares have been taken into the service from the breeding stud of the Company. (Hear, hear.) Again, I would beg the earliest attention of your lordships to the necessity of keeping up a continual stream of reinforce ment of the small army now in India. Now, even to maintain that army on its present footing would require 1,500 a month, or 18,0110 a year. Ido not believe you are raising recruits at that rate, and the men you are sending oat are raw recruits—( Hear, hear)—mere boys, upon whom disease will commit frightful havoc when they first land in India. (Hear, bear.) In this position of affairs, he should earnestly recom mend the Government to embody the militia for the internal defence of the country, to send out to India