The Express. — London, England, 1855-02-09 00:00:00

.PERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS,—TauItsDAT, Fn. 8. The Lem Ciusfausa took his seat at 6 o'clock. Lea Puma took his Best as theministarial bomb as ikereeary for War. The liarl of Abeam and the Duke et Newastie took their places inanalabaly below the miaisterial beach. The Doke of NEWCASTLE presoak& a 'stiles from New Zealaad, ea the &objets of the claims of the New Leaked Company. THE NEW MINIS TRY.--TELE WAR. Lord LYNDHURST rose sad said—l have to mM Os attaatioa of your lordahips to the motion wash stea paper is sty aune reepeetiag the war ia the Cases. Yea lordships have observed from the toms of that mem that it applied to the late grianuant gamily, sad wee net -abraded to bear ezelesively saki say Mole kasha et it. This was is madame with the statewide! the able . *WU is at the bead of the ediasiiretiste elk *Oa Mt he assiaseed all the imam . the late w ok were releasable for the seeded of the war—a Make which I believe moot easily be controverted. (Hear.) Lakin to the aompeaties of what is apposed to be the sew anklet:aim, I lad it essete at dittoes mem bon, sad that twelve of these, imolai' the asks amount himself, have been mseaters a the kte, sad meequeatly are baked I. the reepeoskility to whisk I have adverted. Still, ay Lord., coasiderieg the deplorable state of affairs, and emideriog it almost ha. possible at the present time to font any other advalaistaa. ties, I feel that we shoul d be doing wrong to make any • maim that would disturb the first movements of a purament thus situated. (Bear, hear.) On the -eentiery, I think we ought to unite heart and soul, if I my 90 uprise malt in endeavariag to assist them to active our late disasters, and to restore the lest tharaeter of the country. (Hear.) Under them eirweetstaacee, therefor*, I feel that I 'hall best discharge the duty I owe to your lordships and to the seamy by abstakies from proceeding with ay inteeded tootles. lianas of CLANRICARDE said ha speed is • ' every word which had fallen from hi noble and lanai fried, and he only rose for the purpose of making • sag. ration that, as the house at its tieing was likely to adjourn • for some days, the gorsroment should be prepared, whoa they reassembled for business, to maks sae statement re. speaks the a ctual condition of the army in the Climes imp to the latest pou led. Earl GRANVILLE nova that their lordships should Aisne until Friisy next, elating that Lord Poimeestea, • after throe days' esertions, bad stomata in tallies the emaistits ontrusted to him hi her Slajesty fee the sea ' Ursula& of a Cabinet. The list of the new Malay led that day bees approved of by the Queen. In the admisisers ties of internal stoke, the Roble earl added, the prineiples of all sew t would be ideatical with thump oldie het, bet thief energies would be directed tower& ear- Tying out the object it width the heart of the natio. was set, namely, the vigorous prosseetlea of the war. ' The Earl of DERBY said—The motioa width my able " triad hoe jest made affords ore the opportunity, sad kw • gam ea as the duty of giving to your lordships and le the • • sliwatity at this, the earliest moment that presents Mit, sidtiellMlldia as it may be in my power to giro ragout .. lag the siommeleame in which I have bons a perusal pa die the limistiss of the late goverameat. In °raker, sin sail time, I skald at onee have felt is so he my p Wl* tho sesponsibility thaws upon me, an d • Ile patty whisk lamested me with their sealidenos . abed ast Waned the aspassibility, bemuse the main 01011 seared the fell of the goararent did at mooed *Swifts, yet as the mastics was visibly tarried by their tulle„ I felt that it would he my duty to soma the am. admit vote. Bat I wee Musa to ~ides ears. M il 7a r ed wittiest rim to crawl me crawl essolderstiff".aset i pear Otis" Mat the huseasts of the saint ly and what advise, mkt the dommelanism. to the seassim. fly krin lam sonesive as a nobler ambities—aene mere wsethy the satiety k rersory Use praise sad km of hametty—than to etaad is the high and limenrablii pot idea statist Moister of the crown, and Mier of the comas of this forest empire, Uhea aniseed sad supported by colleagues having sail 7 of apilen and eastimeat on all great questions—weea es oestera sad sustained by personal friends, and supported by a party in this and the other house of pulisineat, who woad give to masks atalater the assurance that tamp oa ' NM Oatielliallia MO Vallellal minion he my reckon a . *air same to mar ant kit policy, and really a well as y to direst*, sourest nlations and Musa yet this great empire. (lieu, hear.) Oa the Other I hal** to allipt th at situation—de der lag is thil Mart of an uncertain majority—am .peel to eat Ems thi measure ad pars off that—to era °eider, with regard to oath, not what was for the walkup of . the motry, bet what was likely to @oscillate the support or to obviate the objections of some halUdosen men— (bwing)— and to look upon it as a great triumph of skill if he met with but few and insignifleant defeat imor, hear)—this was a state d things which ebsuld set satisfy as hadependent iniciatiir ' and which .said . vase Ihiskag eta prove advantagronsto the crows a to ISO= of the soestry. (Chars.) Bet to enter ims • Ida sal responsibilities of office not with a previous, tillimegiV ie bil an uneertair mid wavering. majority, but Ia in the other house of parliament, sad to he e day to day, at their caprice, or from the ocenbi- Of milieu parties, who, with their wand majori ty. waited teethe moment when It could be used with effect r)—to be a minister epos sufferance—to bold such a position with it Nutty of's/wing your owneiews—to ex am your hiss* to the mortificatiou of defeat, and the • imantgtoth=clotatent of unacamplished measures— to hold the kitty of office under such circumstances was is sneak sesseff to an intolerable and galling Beilii- Ws, sashay se sasa of honour and character would colon. , it emus himself to cheers) sad was a peskiest such ano ma sheabl undertake ezeept from motives of the llt patriodukee from the suiessity of self sacrilleo mule. his put. (Hear, hear.) I therefore er - maidertsd it to be Illy • duty maturely and deliberately to weigh, before I assumed the responsibilities of office, which I know it was the intui tion of her Majesty to put epos me, what my position mu' - with regard to parlianieutary rap port both in this, and espeeially ia the other house of parliament. (Hear, hear.) It is tree that I might have filled many of the offices of goy 'eminent ia a way that w3uld have commanded approbee tem. lo that office which above ell, at this moment, is of • paramount importance, and, if properly exercised, of the greatest power and responsibility, I should have had the support and the efficient aid of a noble friend of mime—not • himself a military man, bat possessed of a mind mineotly military--ezperieneed, practically versed, and aonvemuitia the operations of war in distant elimee—(bear, hear)—who had proved himself an ab:o and suceenfel administrator in war upon an *Massive scale—(hear, bear)—a Roble lord (alluding to Lord Ellenborough) whose energy, whose ability, whose dauntless eloquenos would have given ample marines to the country of the efficiency of the manner in which he would have performed his duties; while, If one characteristic of my noble friend is more universally known and tecogaised than another, it is, that ender his superiateedeace corruption sad improper influence found no plus. (Cheers.) It is true that in the other house of parliament, in addition to those whom aid and fountenanco I had heretofore obtained, •I misht have had the assistance of others, whom, when they are ezoluded from office, it la the custom to panegyrise as the necessary infusion of new blood—but who, ekes ad mitted to office, are generally stigmatised se the enlistment of raw recruits. (Hear, bear.) And amongst those to whom I could point with satisfaction, u likely to render ma support and assistance, were I in office, I may mention the brilliant eloquence and commanding talents of my bon. friend Sir Edward Lytton. (Hear, hear.) At the same linte, I was compelled to look not to the men aka., not to the capacities of those who might have filled the higher, or even the inferior teem of tWi government, bat to • more vulgar—bat witless important consideration—namely, the numerical strength which my government mild cm mead. (Hear, bear.) I have had the honour—to which, to the latest period of my eaisteue, Isbell look back with pride, however long or short that connection may Ust—l have been h,noured, and I trust I am ho *owed still, with the confidence of a body of most respectable, highly-qualified gentlemen of this sountry—• body amounting to 270 or 280 members of perliameat, hosed together by that which is the:only sun one of all political ties—mutual confidense in each other and in their leaders—(sheen from the oppooltio0)—a immunity and identity of opinion, and a feeling of iadi viAtial sad mutual personal r. sad. (Hear, hear) • But when I look at the numbers as they were determined by the last general eloctioe, I find that the governs nt of that day bad the advutop of the support of something like 300 members of the Ruse of Commons. I state it to the credit of that great party, sad the fidelity with which they adhere to their engagements or ties, that at the pre sent moment, after the eepiratiou of about two yens, the simbor of those who are prepared to support me in the penrimerit has hardly at all diminished, and up to the pra m* asmisat I &veld eeciton um the cordial support in the lOW bode of 280 gontlaosea. Bet what happen* Ito the shenfiddldli al which I was at dis bled whew I bed the of = l. O W M= Vlte "- pTe r r a :m im en a t n lerty 4a r Idirdse of _pegs% seek as might at any time Ulm irk. (Host, heir.) And what num bed Ito • missed that that same combination would sot arise sal (Hear, heel)) It is the same Home of Commis.; ere the same ledivideals ; they are the same yard.. ; sad, far es las Judge from the construetina of the hoe gmenateeit, and as far en I Ma Jed.* from • the selemeit eimmessish el the Idesuit im = ll _ l l thin are sop atoll los Um sues •• Panith by Irina I we. famed from farm (Ow. bean ) Ide net rev I essilmsdi dim the as. f.s of Ogee lodes flog thansrest lOW Idle vim; but I say 1 had MD as 111101 be a ise useless IS I ma Moe *el hi Is Isit pimp I abseil ust ems ehe we. of aetll t. (lbw bem) I knew it bee bees add that, weft roost eisr i a* stem" esy vemennneet ...emirs th. memedbilline of elks, sod reopmed to *wry ea the wens war In es* a rues as to prove Ads Ostualastasa to Wag it ti e sewer hi hen, would have t t b r atvality of a sissr e s ti ns lie the case • :bat winker, if 'I had, the reepassibility le ass me, I should Comatose there was . flea epperitke t urn the sem, I nes rely I of tbe geremseest. 1 adminstratios st the . mown the werny Wm: ilidgelirl ia ll sigh opines, 'o tiose el the ry• F iniest, . _ +SI dear, . sbeithitilles les tbey wire Sneed to gel it) trabAsl ‘, the gneiss read cwt nisi wet leer, that Theoust. Penmen wag the samt ailed fie by the ethereal wide of the mashy. Mee bees,) ...1.-eposit not oaly of tie press; i ! si lt ales to tha language of atembars of pediment he tie I kaew that there was a very gh M ost cNees is M o to coley on of that ante Assent% who, ster ether, mem a scalier antoptios yeas the imam nisi is cast ea all the rest of Ms elleelgen. Meer, Isar.) Though posit se to my, in tbe assiset of the war, cm of tit wettest ishes, as it ap ses to in, which has existed, we • ese arida( la rte Aso that bee bees presided over by the sable Aletiset himself, —Semen, the late aid Loneliest inbeilmomtel the militia. ee:usbeer.) Bat he that ant My, to pulls mimed= viseeast had a itemplott IMMllptile• sad abode dee fees ell the shertiewitop OM btaillots of bit eel- Wiese. The has. cud Mowed gestimess lobe= forward the motionMedi de covieteele W. hi dabs& his opiates that VieseteePalnentos was *a any slim whit was fit ta messed wad Wets illenastey. Sad .sees authority then all, Ibsen* of obi sees vitelowt's Whop. who, emblesiel do one of the late getementat isdefensibee, sal irsamieg he oeseset of the war mei that be was essealled rather prematurely to seeds tees its rasks,--iihat amble lord himself goseronsly and moat *dr teresteddy ewilitleed Mosel( to a oeSeeive, end desisted that in Ids opines the ally penes to swing the silitazy ) Wren of this eseistey was his late oelbewes Visiewit Pal -1 Inenten. New, I pat it to your loubligisel put it to the ematry—will that feeling offeesillog Is nehmen, ' with that pleural declatatioe to ben of a very diger wished samber of the other house—• goades sawn by • large peens ef the sees, by a esenikeablo amble itt , m re dies Hone el Clemeers. emetlesed by the high me oe ,' authority of the noble led the late midget of t it etioseell 1 a ,i sit gnat prospect of imatutity from attack, or what of a wassaity oa a dense. would • goncameat C e 2 ls trii which was formed to the esclesics et that sae ine t l= (Chain.) I hope I may acts be usleseteml as in tear • single meanie that the imenideratiens I have milinini 111 were these ohm with prompted as @Weal, to desire to obtain the oessealion of the noble IMMO, se ft say that I thought mob mosperatioa was sat emettel to the ewes. 4 the geresemant. I readily eteser=ageley sea atuitl*, the great abilities, the great the great shad expo ' risen—as oiled esp i rrieset "dell :nat Ism eta thirty-seven years of edles—of the noble viscount. I reedity admit the L advantage of his personal popularity. I readily admit also, although it le not • usual grouted to be staged is reheated, yet the eireaustances of the ease on so pro Otat I may ,be nosed fat alluding to it—ellibetnik iit se this country would look with reaseatMe mg well -_ - ed jot ;ins as to may walilleatiom he sin whin eat et en sexiao with Mew states es Mega gedismonoles i P• I mast be permitted to add, that la the prommieserniotenees, ' as OM sad liglematentetfiettiesitt the yid it the orbit . vinous% it suet wet be emitted that he wee gaartaity asp , smite merest se isiessibeable Whims over tho nun , Glint( that Bovereign with when we arose, happily ea ' terms of tho strictest and dare t allieree, and that he enjoyed, to a great extent, the mielbsso of that great ' mat, whose superior ability sled power, get less than the nano be beers, enabled him to grasp, end to held, Its sad enmeney, the sceptre of that s F2. (Hear, bear.) I. Mess like these, whet we are in a femaliabie alai sans war, with, at swat mentat, Freda ear only moored ally, though Ibis; se hag Se be so—as sash • time, it is a pestle qualieleatios for a Modise is Ms moat* that the =Yew in cotes. ties pewees the woefidowee el these to whim we are is dot I ( st ea ta SL.riblieertio=l:llTe"ti Ltd: vantages which would have bass sostelsoe by say cabinet formed at the pretest mann whisk was amequsinted with all that tangled web of dipessasey that hes been woven within the last two yeas. In that respect that noble visement proseased peculiar advantage, and woald have eon rem& peculiar advantage upon any government of which be should have been a member, by bringing to that govern ment and to that cabinet his iatimate knowledge of all the transactions of the last two years—the difficulties that have arisen—the embarrassments and obstacles that have os eurred—and the feelings and views of those foreign courts with which de in that long period we have been in eamanticatien. Under all these cireimstancee, and spas all these consideration, I cams to the con skein that, with the Annassisted numerical strength of thee who placed their maidens in we, it was ispessibh that I could enter spin ten milk any assesses of that which I soneurred with the noble earl (Shiniest) is thinking ease desirable and necessary for the country at this period—a sting government. (Hear, hear) It was impossible for me, without some extraneous aid, to Aster myself with the expectation that I could se cure tithe watintry • strong government. It was impressed with these ideas and convictions that ea the following woraiwg I obeyed her Majesty's nonatons. I laid be , ton be Ms/oft without reserve my views with regard to NO Ilete septet.% with regard to the composition of the a m: tbe7olkaad the i bal n w a l:i e :h these Panks parties ia migt E lm I set emboss' from her Majesty that there milgtilleibeseaseesses under which the Hone of Com ities aiddigive to such a government as I might be eaa- Wen lin ss imen without ex transom support, • gemstone lamistalele ; I thiat those airearastauces could oily be those in which there would be to alternative between the mistimes of the geoernasent I was about to form and no governante at all, and that thin would be no security wbatever—nay, not Oat this, bat no prospect of forming a government which a ould command a majority in the other house, so long as there was a large party who would be united in the nicks that some person was excluded Ms tbat goverisment who oeght to have been included in bond to have brought the weight of his ataistenee sad assmoth to it. (Hear, bear.) Alter • statement, to which I s er s u es tizity listened with the moat gracious atteatioa, I with the request that I might be enabled to cola munioste with Viscount Palmerston, for the purpose of ob teen his concurrence and assistance io forming the admi nistration which, at bar Majesty's request, I was about to undertake. I also stated to her Majesty that I could not expect to obtain that concurrence on the part of the noble viscount, sales he were permitted to bring with him one or two of thee with whom he bad recently acted. I felt also, notwithstanding tome personal and political thr eesome that the abilities of some et those gen tlemen Wile have added materially to the strength of the government and to the power of debate it the House of Commove; and that their presence =Jakob. desirable, not oaly on accoutt of the rapport and notation,* which they would give to the viscount in joining the administration, but also en account of their own individual sad personal sleets (Hear, ker.) I stated to her Majesty that, is my humble person, withest some such extraneous assistance, I did not feel myself in a condition to promise to her Majesty that strong government, soured of a majority in both hoses, which I thought, at the present moment, it was most desirable, if potable, that her Majesty should poetess. (Hear, bear.) I was then bound to oonsliet not any pommel or party interests, but that which was fOr the honour tithe crown and the welfare of the country; and first, and pre•ecoinently for the welfare of the country and the dignity of the crown, I placed the necessity of having, if possible, a strong end united gestation. I inning submitted to her Moist, my banes Mein, that , —failing my eadeavoure to form such • genrsiment as should held oat the promise of Snag* as well as of union—ber Majesty should carefully amide whether it were possible to term any other osithinattes se public gees by which that abject would be men lady to be achieved. when those men were to be snobs be—what the combination was to be—was • subjoin apes width of coarse I did not presume to offer any opines to bat Ma jesty ; bat after venturing to o ff er that nigesties, whisk I believed to be for the good of the country, I conaluded by assuring her Ilejety that—strongly as I felt the Moieties of my position—if such a combination, giving greater strength to the government than any which I could ander take to bring to her Majesty's support, were found to be impracticable, that, at all hazards, end under all circum stance's, that bar Majesty should not be left without a go meant —(eheera)—and that whet such other combing. dens bad base tried sad had been found to be onsuctess• fel, then, with better hopes of parliamentary support, bat whether with or without better hopes of such support, I would answer for myself and those noble lords and gentlemen with whom I had the hardness of act ing, that at all events the country should not be without a government, and that at all !lewd', all risks, sod all sacrifices, our humble services should be plated mre tersdly at her Majesy ' s disposal. (Else, bear.) I may mks this opportunity of noticing another pont, is tonsi lqueues of the rumours which have gone abroad that, urn that ocessin her Majesty sought to fetter my discretion by any reatrieden. (Hear, bear.) My lords, every one who knows the respect whieh her Maisity hes ter the coa st tailor' and the strict and rigid manner in which she walks In the light and paths of that constitution, will be well aware that sash a report Vie most unfound , d. (Hear, bear.) But I feel =reit batted in duty for the information of those who may not hays the same means of knowledge, to state that, not only was no obsteale, no restriction whet placed in my way, but that not the slightest difficulty Vim wage upon ar.y suggestion or recommeadati , e, either Mlle see or measures, which I felt it to he my duty to sob oh to ler Mejc.ty. (Hear, hear.) It eonsequence of this Interview, whirr% lasted from halflost eleven to near sae e'eloek, I called spew the noble viscount (Palesentoe), whom I foetid at hi. hour. I immediately aossmunieated to him the oommission with which I was charged from her Majesty. lam bound here to state that the noble viscount showed that he would have been exceedingly unwilling— nay, that be felt that it would be en impoesible, without the coo tanner sad eteoperatioo of me of his friends in the late goveremeat, to give to me that assistases and support whisk otherwise he did not eines himself disinclined to give. I hod at ones anticipated suck a feeling es the part se the ante Meow ; for I knew that it wee perfeetly as teal; and. I tamed the two of hie cello gate whom 1 ... thought would moat readily eceseat to est sloop with blot I .1,14 ters, ed wheyreeld lave gressins/4 3 owl lONIAN hint lam framkness thatwhith as shun Inaate tomtit I stated to hint that, with *s MA II the Rua el did not think it vestigial" fir may miebior M oimblai thete duties of an astoulamnblatelimm dopoilmenti and btained from the nehl• lh lire iosetintimme is that opinion, and that with the lad the ZOOM Of Causes, the arduous and important datieszof _Minister ol War were totally immewits tible. 1 was isaffied—by an ad a self-abnegation and "OF ruder, fee wkiebuy light hos. friend deeorvesthissollll pralso--ie state as part of my friend Mr. Dime% est with eierti the bbl of the bouts, with Milk Mbed bees es s linstw occasion, in the el the 1 mobil beiteild swills, all diluent prOtenlink IS it, Is sistiels of the great abilities sad amassed the maim t. Mein) And he (Kr. Mandl) adds'. what I thin k ben to his credit, that not only am he willies WS* le wadies a right to which, lOW airing his gelatiesehip In the maservative party, he was fairly estitaid, in favour of the noble viscount, but be added able that such a susnetin might render more mg the accasios of the two hisses' the noble viscount, who might be willing to act webs the noble viscount, though they might be len willing to set wager him (Mr. Disraeli). (Hear.) I quitted the noble viscount after about half an hour's internew,—her Majesty_awaiting the result of that interview before returning to Windsor; and I informed the noble viscount that her Majesty would leave a messenger in waiting in town. to receive from me and to convey to Windsor the result of any communication which he might welerteho to make to Mr. Gladsgoae and to Mr. Sidney Hubei& Moen) I certainly returned with a very Swag Messy mind that the noble viscount was ready ad ,lf he could obtain the concurrence of his late willeeries, to join the administration I was endeavouring to fees. The statement he made to me ma that he could give so Mahe answer till he had had ha opportunity of esmietunicating with Ikea, but that he hoped, before the post west est—et all events is a very few burs, to convey to tam the final decision at which he had arrived. I did not his from the noble viscount till half past mine at night. • Hosts Loan —What hour wee it when you left him? The Earl of DERBY.—I lest the noble visoount shortly babes two; and at half peat nine, when I had, In point of bet, written • note to the noble viscount teay that I could sot detain her Majesty's messenger any longer, I re , mind, to my considerable uprise, a note from the noble .TiMMOIL. .1 will not trouble your lordships with the terms nee* stated that upon full and complete n o iso ties be lei lOW to the conclusion that it he were to join my government he could not give to it that support that I i was good enough to think his presence would afford, that he had sommunicated with Mr. Gladstone and Mr. Sidney Herbert, somewhat to my desire, and that he would let them write their own answers. At half-put nine that night I received a note from Mr. Gladstone ; and between seven and eight the following morning one hem Ile. Sid ney Herbert. Both of them were conceived in kind mad courteous terms, of which I bad no reason whatever NOb j plain; but I was certainly struck with an impression In Mr. Gladstone's note. He says that Lord Palmerston had communicated to him the wish I had expreseed, that be should form part of the administration. "1 else leers lessi him," he says, ' that he is not of opinion that be esti* himself render you useful service in that whisisinzeffina." Now „ I confess 1 received that with sear sigethe s boom I bad reason to suppose, at two o'clock, wbes seat lend left me, that his support was dependent spa the raneet.F,. of his colleagues; and at half-past aka* at 1 received a note from Mr. Gladstone, stating that Pal menton, is communicatieg my message to hint, had stated that be did not think he could concur in being a member of my government. My lords, in that state of things—the occurrence I anticipated having taken place—and with no objection upon any political ground, or upon any astern plated meagre ' or upon the position which it was intended the noble viscount himself should hold, or any of his col leagues with whom he was about to be connected—hiving received from the noble viscount and his friends the notes to which I have referred, declining to form any part of that administration, I felt I was then in a position to state to her Majesty that the first contingency I had tefemd to having taken place, I thought it was for the intimate ache country and her Majesty's convenience that she should adopt the subsequent sane I had advised, namely, to ascertain whether it was possible, by any other oonshinalon of public men, to form any stronger or more effective administration. Further than that,' have no personal communication to make. I quitted her Majesty with • very deep and sincere ezpreasloa of regret on my part, that, under existing circumstances, it was not possible for me to render her the assistance which she required—that I could not assure her that strong go• vernment which it was absolutely essential for the interests of the country should be formed—but that, in the event of no furthex combination being able to be made, I was then ready to offer to her Majesty my humble end devoted services. I may be asked why, liter referring merely to the noble viscount who had been designated in public opinion as the person entitled to the first consideration, and pesseesiog ooa- Womble influence in the Heave of Commons, why I did not seek the possible assistants and the possible co opera ties of others? And in the presence of the noble earl (Clarendon) who held, and still holds, I presume, the wish of the foreign deportment, I will state upon that subject =ly what I took the liberty of addressing to her Ma . I stated that I considered it would be an immense advantage to any government to have, as a member of it, as. who was conversant with all the diplomacy of the last two years, and who was thoroughly acquainted with all the negotiations in which we had been concerned ; and with that view and others, I stated that I should apply for assistance to Viscount Palmerston. I took the liberty to add that, with regard to my noble friend the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, I entertained the highest °taken of the ability, industry, and zeal with which he discharged the duties of his office. I added—what I hope the noble earl will say I was justified in adding—that there was no personal feeling which might throw the slightest impediment in the possibility of our acting toge ther in the same cabinet; that, on the contrary, I believed there existed between as a Moan and mutual regard. But I felt it my duty to odd also that, desirous as I might have been of obtaining the estimation and assistance of one so experienced and able as the noble earl opposite, I felt that the political connexion of that noble earl—t he political relations in which that noble earl stood towards meet of those with whom I was in the habit of acting—and his political connexion with others with whom I was not acting or about to act—did cot justify me in making any direct approach or overtures to the noble earl, eves if I had ration to know that they would have been favourably received (mar, hear) sad that I should not feel justified in making any overtures in such a I quarter what ever might be my esteem for the noble earl, unites did so by her Majesty's empress sanction and injunction. Whatever might have been the games of such an application, I will say that that is the only port of the course taken by me in refersace to the formation of a government on which I look back with doubt as to the propriety or the wisdom of my abstaining from making any such application either to the noble earl or the noble marquis (Lansdowne) who sits near him, and from whom, I am suite certain, I should have had the advantage of a dispassionate and a friendly opinion. (Hear, hear.) ily lords, such were the reasons which led me to decline to undertake the responsibility of forming a government, with regard to which I could see no security for its strength and continuance. I have nothing to do with `subsequent treasactions. The noble viscount, It appears, has found hinted( justified, and has thought himself enabled to submit to her Majesty the names of a cabinet which he thiaks is mare likely to Wore and command the confidence and support of a majority is the two houses of parliament. It is not for me, for a single moment, to express an opinion how far the noble viscount has done cor inctly in that respect. I will not for a moment say that the noble viscount was not krtified in recommending to her Majesty a government which he believes to presets that strength, and to be entitled to that confidence. Were Ito urea may other opinion, it might lay the noble viscount open to the suspicion, I believe most uutounded, of haying acted from mere personal considerations. From such motives I wholly and absolutely acquit his; and I catthot doubt therefore that he has the fullest confidence in the degree of popular rapport and cionfideace w bieb that govern ment, as now formed, is likely to command. I feel that I have now offered to your lordships all that it is otheassry for me to state, perhaps at too great length, but I am desirous of not omitting the slightest details which might throw light upon my motives for satiag as I have done. before I cause to (Hear, hear.) I have endeavoured, that conclusion, and acted upon it, strictly and impartially, as in the presence and under the eye of Him who is the searcher of all hurts, to examine into the motives by which I have been sweated ; to satisfy myself that I was in fluenced by me desire of unduiy graspieg at office—to satisfy myself, on the other hand, that I was not timidly shrinking from a respolssibillty which fairly ought to rest upon my shoulders. (Cheers.) My lords, I should shrink from a* responsibility, except from that which I felt there was danger to the interests of the country in incurring —that of having offered to her Majesty a government which had net to itself sufficient elements of strength and Grams, sad therebysabjeeted her Majesty sad the country to as bees. unitises and a disappointment which I had no right oat pose them to, and having added to the euthanasia's* which was sufficiently great already. (Hear, hear.) V I have erred, I bow to the decision of my friends and my trountry. I may have exhibited too great timidity, in taking upon myself responsibility ; though, I think, what ever errors may have been impute to me in political life, they have bees generally rather of the opposite cieete lotion. I may hove disappoiated the over sugulas and over.jealoas expectations of those over whose interests I am bound to watch, with whom I ant connected by every tie of political and personal friendship, but whom, much es I desire to please and gratify them, I desire still more to be able suin fectorily and permanently to serve. It was not my opinion that under such circumstances the great coasenatin party should prematurely and rashly undertake the respossibility of administering the affairs of this great country in this por tentous crisis. Upon that belief I acted, honesty, 00n aWationsly, sad, to the best of my judgment. My jun& THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 9, 1855. those I alike tieseperenuently secure __k_and vorfakteggeouride . liajaWa the se,Wl intigri , and the • =Europe. (Van, rebp.) And will add, RIO 3 oral. ilbefillinirtintly *bit hie fallen from the noble lord gebeie at -Maio! thegovernesent to the other how. Wad Sem sell be .deep efiepadbility attaching to 'any one wheelie/I 011Oduleopeeekliewevet earnestly called fie sibble dim met mute • Cm- the .sentry end to Europe these great results—that a responsibility will attach to him as deep, if not deeper still, who, after such multi shall have bees ibitis ed. shalt esstinse foe a single moment the Wimp and the beams emeseseelineed The el LANSDOWNE hawed war. wit ( h Cheers a de tail et his own geneniEngs daring tha late ministerial crisis, explaining ke esestitntional principles which rendered it fitting for she Clasen to send in ireeeession for Lord Derby, Lard Jabs gensoll, and Lord Palmenton. The noble 'Lutists modeled by exhorting all parties in the Inlet& Ines, sod. moss the public, to eta-operas heartily for the sitaseement of the common came:-" We shall expect to derive great advantage from the advice sad resistance, not only of the regular sup porters of the government bet of those who are generally adverse to itsliniteiples. (Hear, hear.) But, my lords, it is not in the field or politics—it is not in parliament alone that a great duty is to be performed. Every person in this country has a duty to perform at this moment. In the great coated in which we are engaged, with one of the greatest and meet powerfel empires in the world, we must'depend is great measure upon the mirage of our soldiers, and upon the wisdom and ability of our commanders. But let it be rue membered that Rio not by them alone who are actively es gaged that the victory is to be woe. (Cheers.) It is a contest of representative government 'palest despotism ; and if we are enable to oppose to the energy of despotism that unanimity which I believe patriotism is always able to command, despotism will prove too strong for liberty ; and the moral to be learned from the transaction will only be, the feebleness and the vices of representative government. (Hear, hear.) My lords, it is the duty, not only of every member of this cud the other house, but also of every oisethat exercises in-1 fleeces out of parliament—it is the duty especially of thee. very eminent sad distingaished persons who are connected I with one of the noblest institutions of this weeny, the free press of England—it is the duty of those indivi duals, it is the duty of all persons, who by the accident of their po sition or their talents have won the confidence or pined the approbation of the circle in which they live, be it great or small—it is the duty, I say, of all, to say nothing, to de nothing, to write nothing, which can impede or interrupt the national progress. (Loud cheers.) It is by this alune that the constry can seemed ; and I trust there is no man that, by taking a different eourse, will forego his share of the national triumph, if triumph we may ; or, on the other hand, will saddle his own conscience, if unhappily we should fail, with the reproach, never to be effaced, of having by any set, word, or deed, contributed to that failure. (Loud cheers.) My lords, I entirely ague with my noble friend (Earl Granville), who remarked in bison salient statement that we have gone too far in our despon dency, as we had undoubtedly gone too far in our antici pations of triumph. My lord., this country must be pre pared both tor success and failure, whatever may be the oomposition of the ministry. For those members of it who have retired, I feel both affection and respect ; and I must say that, whatever may be the objections on public grounds to the inquiry pureed to be made by the other house, to those late ministers personally it would be a great gain ; for it would be found that many things falsely, rashly, un justly, and partially attributed to them are really doe to other causes. (Chun.) Ono of the objects I had in view, in the advice I gave, has been attained. The present arrangements have secured the uninterrupted maintenance of those negotiations with our allies in Europe which have been fir the last two years conducted with increasing success from mouth to month, under the auspices of my noble friend (Lord Clarendon), unimpeached and unattached, and which I believe in my conscience will tend more and more to unite the whole of Europe in that cause, which is the cause of the whole of Europe, and which by the union of the European powers cannot fail to effect the great object for which the war was commenced. (Loud cheers.) The noble marquis then resumed his seat, once more thanking the noble earl (Lord Derby) for the conciliatory remarks which he had made, and expressing his full confidence in the success of the new government." At the conclusion of some remarks from the Earl of DIALERSBURY, Lord PANMURE said—After what bad just fallen from the noble earl, it was impossible for him to avoid addressing to their lordships a few obeeriratione,and they would be very few. He concurred in the observations that fell from the noble lord opposite, that no man should undertake an secs of responsibility under the crown without endeavour. lag to satisfy the public of the grounds on which he had undertaken that office. He was aware of the great respon sibility which attached to the office he had undertaken, and that the eyes of the country were turned more to that office than to almost any other. He shrank from undertakieg the office until he was informed that it was thought that the experience he had had in the administration of military affairs might be conducive to the advantage of his soverign sad the country. Re thought that the eyes both of this .entry, and, as the noble earl had said, :of many other imintries were turned too conspicuously on the one depart ment which he had the honour to represent—be meant the department for the administration of military affairs. He looked to the ministered the country for the support of the administration of that department, and he hoped that the planters -of the crown would share with him the re sponsibility of the administration of throe military affairs which he had taken upon himself to direst. He was quite aware that mach was required of this department, that many reforms must take place, and that at as early an op portunity as possible. But he was not prepared to ente with the noble earl on those discussions new, nor was he pre pared at that moment to state to the house to what extent, or with whet speed he could take upon himself to enter upon the execution of those retains. He should endeavour, if he could: do nothing else, to give to the country the assurance that none should be employed under his administration whom he did not con eider fitted for the employment to which he should m I moon-- mend them, or in which he should employ them on his own responsibility ; and if in the transaction of those affairs he should be called upon to do acts which were painful to hiss ed( but newer( to the publics service, be trusted that be might be enabled to perform those duties in a manner which would prove that he was only influenced by a desire to promote the interests of the country. He should not trouble their lordships farther. He should endsavont to do that which he thought neoseary for placing the adminis tration of military affairs on a proper footing, and he trusted that too much might not be expected of one who had so recently succeeded to the office. He succeeded to the officio in no antagonism to his noble friend who had pre ceded him • he did not know that he could Wing to it more diligeisce, More .sal, than that which had mmked the noble duke's caner. In bringiag to the office his expe rience of the odministratioe of military affairs under a tamer government, he was bringing to it also an expe rience which he should he having for several years of his life served in the army ; and bailey so served he could beer his full testimony to the high encomiums passed by the noble earl who preceded him en our regimental system. And he took this opportu nity of saying that whatever might be the defects of the British army in other respects, he believed our real mental system to be as perfect as that of any other country in the world. We might be deficient in what was called the staff of the army, but so far as the regimental depart ment was concerned, he believed it was on a good foun dation, and that there was very little to improve in that direclon. Having made these observations, he hoped he should receive from their lordship that consideration which they were always dtsposed to extend to those who were anxious to perform their duties, and he hoped he should not be out of place in aching from those elsewhere, out of doors, that forbearance which was necessary to those who undertook a responsible oommiesion suck as he bad un dertaken. Ho could only soy that, should he fled from any circumstance that he was unequal to the task he had un dertaken, he would have the honesty at onee to vision that inequality, and to surrender to abler and better hands the important department which he could not preside over without indaogering the best interests of the public service. (Hear, hear.) Earl RODEN said—The country` oult appreciate the conduct of the noble lord in accepg, at this time, the office he had undertaken. It was an act of great patriotism. He thought Powersthre should be some public appeal to the Almighty for the gaiety and meccas of the army. The motion was then agreed to. FISHERIES (NORTH. AMERICA) BILL. This bill went into committee. The Berl of CLARENDON took the opportunity of stating that the conduct of the American fishermen who had come on shore for the purpose of curing fish and drying. their nett, was no infraction of the treaty. The bill then pawed through committee, and their lea. hips adjourned at ten minutes to 'tett eolotk. HOUSE OF COMMONS—THURSDAY, FEB. 8. The Srukuan took the chair at flee minutes to four o'clock. The emend reading of the London and South Western Railway Bill was postponed for a month. The helve then went into Committee of SOOPIT. Yr. COWPER said, as it was agreed that Uwe should he no discussioe of importance at that period, he should not enter into explanations with regard to what he had to pro nom, which was, that the sem of 1,616,0001. be pentad for excess of erneaditure in the navy for the year ending Slat Horeb, 1158. In reply of Ste H. WiLLocroaar, Yr. COW PER stated that the teal meant (dike estimate was 1,988,0001. mellat ha t p;is feetial n l ed ".. Co Pthil a i l uk t Pi a ta geritilitenhtltsoltbojainetsta, abj e ct, ci(tghtraiearltieno'nl,beywred yesterda y , returned from the Crimea, and that I took the oppoete u gs, of inquiring into the actual state of the army before Sena; topol, and whether it was the fact that the men were se emaciated as bas been represented. He told me that a glee many men had died, and that a great many were stlll lien bat with regard to a great portion of the troops who wen of stronger constitutions, he said that they appeared to be all their strength, and ready to perform any duty which might be required of them. The hai l will permit me also to eall attention to the feet that ours is not the only army before Sebastopol, Then is the considerable fora of our allies baton that plus, so that in fact not less a number them 80,000 men are there collected. I cannot but take this opportunity to say that I have seen, with some disgust, th e attacks which have been made on the gallant commends/ of the British part of that force. (Hear, hear.) I amazes he is not only an experienced soldier but that he is as feel ing and attentive to the sufferings of those under his corn. nand—(hear, Year)—as any man who ever wore the British uniform. (Hear, bear.) I hope, I believe, that he will rise above the attacks which have been made upon Mat by a ribald prose. (Hear, hear.) I must also take this eta. den to say a word upon the present position of the exam live. rho house bar now placed before it a minister, theans minister of the crown, who has great experience upon tim subjects now pressing upon the attention of us all—(hetc hear)—whose energy is undoubted, and who has always s atisfied this house by declarations the most patriotic, and, at the same time, by an adequate discharge of the dottes which have been thrown upon him. (Hear, hear.) Ws have also learned that a noble friend of mine has been celled upon to undertake the duties of Secretary of State for ito War Department. My noble friend was for a long ttoss Secretary-at-Was in this house ; he is a perfect muter of the principles which regulate our army, and he will, I doubt not, turn his immediate attention to any improvement which can be suggested. (Hear, hear.) He will not, I believe, be induced to adopt, under the same of improvement, innovations which might be destructive to the very existence of the army ; but he will adopt, I ern sure, every plan which the science of the present cloy, sag the skill which enterprising men have brought to bear gm, every kind of arms placed within his reach, for the ponees of raising the condition of our soldiers. (Hear, hear) believe that my noble friend the present Secretary of State for the War Department will be ready to place that army, which has suffered, not from want of discipline, or of military organisation, in a position to sustain the reputatin of the British soldier. (Hear, hear.) I have heard suer* tions made that the whole military organisation of this coon. try is defective. I do not pretend to speak as to the details of that organisation, but this I know perfectly well, that when the Duke of York and the Duke of Wellington car mended an army, there was then no want of organised'. —(hear, hear)—there was then no want of • fern ready to sustain at any moment the reputation of this country. (Hear, hear.) Nor can I think that there is so mock of faultiness as it is now the hellion to imposts to or system. I have no doubt that, in the years of peace which we have passed through, many parts of our system may have got out of use ; it may be that in the first year of war we have attempted too much; but I have every hope, that the establishments which are required will be organised, and the changes which are necessary made by my noble friend. I have no doubt but that this house will net grudge him the means of carrying these necessary reforms into effect. Moreover, sir, I feel sure that the majority of this house will give to her Majesty's present advisers their medial support, retaining of course their power to interfere should at any moment the interests of the country be lest sight of, at the same time giving to the ministry as oppor tunity of carrying out by means of the executive all the measures which can be effected without an interference or the part of this house prejudicial to the best interests of the country. (Hear, hear.) Mr. RICH thought that the right bon. gentleman (ths Chancellor of the Exchequer) ought to explain the state ments which he made, and that the best interest* of the country required that the whole truth should be known. If our army were in the state which some hon. gentlemen said it was, rather than that we should be in a Bute of ignorance, it was much better that France, and even Runs should know the facts. Mr. S. WORTLEY explained that he did not presume to find fault with hon. members for seeking information; he only complained that they should make public desponding and exaggerated pictures of the bad condition of our army. Mr. G. BUTT explaineo that his object in rising Indium solely to elicit information. Mr. HARCOURT felt it his duty to state that the "pti vete letters which be bad received from the Crimea were not of the despondent complexion of those refereed to by the hon. member for Weymouth (tile. Butt). They spoke of hardships, it was true, of bad weather, and of many other vicissitudes of a soldier's life in actual service, but then was no trace of despondency about them. (Hear, hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that after what bad been stated by his noble friend (Lord J. Russell) behind him, in explanation of the apparent dis crepancy between his statement and those which appeared in the public journals, it was hardly necessary for him to add anything upon that subject. His noble friend had already pointed out that the discrepancy arose from a diL formes in the mode of estimating the numbers. In those statements which made out that our army consisted of so small a body of men, not only were all branches of the ser vice, except infantry, excluded, but even a considerable portion of the rank and file were not taken into account. This was because in every army a large portion of the rank and file were employed in duties not strictly military , But he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) bad felt it his official duty to rise on this occasion to correct a misap prehension of the hon. member for Inverness (Mr. Baillie), who said that he (Mr. Gladstone) bad included in his state. went, Turks, and also the sick and wounded. Now, he begged to assure that hon. member and the house that theta war not a single sick or wounded man, nor a single Turk— that there was, in fact, no one but the members of the British army included in the numbers which he stated no the house when be said that there were 28,300 men en gaged in the discharge of military duty before Sebastopol. That was the number when he made his statement; ten days had since elapsed, and the number would perhaps be somewhat altered. Re confessed that he did not wonder at the statements which had been made that night in the house, nor could he venture to complain of them. The tide of feeling ran so strong when those who were possessed of all one's sympathies were in a situation of so much hard. ship, privation, and suffering, that be would be either mote ' or less than man, who, to the anxieties so much felt, vu not forced to give some outward expression. Hence he (Mr. Gladstone) would not presume to find fault; all be would do was to beg and beseech of hon. members to place sanutniceu, the chr statemen t tennopt made adttebiry the fee hon. member spossible r F. fo For t in; mouth (Mr. Butt), a statement founded upon private in formation— Mr. BUTT said he bad read the fads, to which he bad adverted, in the aewspapen. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the news. papers could only form their statements upon private infer mation. However, the statement of the hon. member was not confined to that house ; it would go forth into the world; and however wrong such an idea undoubtedly was, there was a notion amongst careless and idle readers that things said in that house became backed by the weight of the house. Thus, stateme,pte with little or no foundation, or, it might be, es aggerated and distorted, might be productive of mischief shout incalculable. He would, therefore, ask hon. gentle men to place as much restraint upon themselves as their natural interest would' allow them. (Hear.) He quite agreed with those hon. gentlemen who urged the propriety of asking fur information upon a doubtful matter; that was a far more careful and less dangerous mode of proceeding than the practice of placing before the house statements founded upon information always more or leas open to error Mr. G. DUNDAS said that he had not long since re turned from the Crimea, and from what he bad himself observed he did not think the state of things there was so bed as some hon. gentlemen made out. (Heir, hen) A great deal of suffering undoubtedly arose from want of fuel; but be was glad to find, when he was at Malta, that Price's Candle Company_ had submitted to the Secretary for War a very ingenious stove, by which a very small quantity of fuel might be most advantageously used. When hon. memben heard that men sometimes had to sat their rashers of pork uncooked, they would at ones see the privations that this want of fuel occasioned. Mr. M'GREGOR said that it would be better if, instead of these desultory conversations, members would .see that no vote was passed without a close and sufficient .ed to, sad the hoses resumed. JBBIILL'B EDUCATION BILL. AL said, $a asking for leave to being is gigela nodes, fqr the proloolig nglead, row sot wish to say earbiag 4ad to • Aegasaion. It was desirable, how' ee bill sholaWlse . introduced, in order that it pr ale that the country might me what us. It would, of wane, hereafter be government to take say course the timed Leave was then gives to bring in the THE ARMY IN THE CRIMEA. Oa the motion that the house do now adjourn. Col. SIBTRORP said he deeply regretted that in the meant state of affairs the Chancellor of the Exchequer Wended to 'propose an adjournment for a week. He was well aware that the members of the government were very uncomfortable in their seats—(laughter)—and required a little time for reflection and repentance with regard to the course they had pursued; but the whole country would object to any postponement of the pending inquiry. Every hour was important, for the nation could have no confi dence in ministers who had been tried, condemned, and he regretted that he eoald not add executed (Laughter.) He loped the time was not distant when they would be dismissed from their places, never to return. They were certainly the worst lot of ministers he ever knew. (Laughter.) Mr. G. BUTT said the right hon. gentleman the Chan cellor of the Exchequer had recently stated, and the country had been cheered by the statement, that the effee tive force of the army in the Crimea at the data of the last returns was, in round numbers, 30,000 men. That an nouncement had certainly created considerable surprise in the minds of many who had friends in the Crimea with whom they corresponded. He had himself received a letter from a gentleman high in rank there, and capable, he should have supposed, from his position, of forming a tweet opinion, which supported the statement made the other day in th e Mews, that the effective force unfortu nately did not amount to 12,000 men. Of course there was no party feeling on that question—there could be none. The Chancellor of the Exchequer might rest assured that his (Mr. Butt's) sole feeling oa the subject was that deep anxiety which he shared with the country for the re mainder of the army which had achieved and suffered so much. When be heard from a person so well-informed as the right. bon. gentleman must be, that the amount of the effective force at the date of the last niter's was 30,000 men, he concluded that that statement was derived from the returns made from time to time to the Horse Guards from the army. (Hear.) His object in rising was to beg the right hon. gentleman to supply on the following day information which would show that this state aunt was one which might be relied upon ; and he need scarcely tell him that by so doing he would afford great relief to the country. He bad read that day in the Metes a prediction that a frightful Wasttophe was at hand, the state of things being such that they could not count upon an effectual resistance. Except the statement of the right hon. gentleman, which certainly was a great relief to him at first, there was no statement to be found which did not point to the almost tirade annihilation of the army ; and be did entreat the right hon. gentleman to say something when the subject was introduced on the fol lowing day which would cheer the country during the peried of adjournment. At present the country felt not only that a great number of men bed perished through neglect and incompetence, not only that a blot had bees cast upon its owe fame, but that the very security of the empire was endangered. Mr. J 8. WORTLEY did not know whether the Chan cellor of the Exchequer was about to give any answer to the hon. gentleman, but for his own part he most earnestly deprecated repetitions of such statements as they had beard from the benches of that house. (Hear, hear.) They were sot only beard there, but were conveyed elsewhere, and boa. members ought to recollect that a deep responsibility rested upon those who repeated what they found in private aesosate. He could not uaderstand the patriotism which WOW Itself in repeating what he believed to be exagge rated reports as to the weakness of our force be fogs Sebastopol. (Hear, hear.) What good purpose was it to serve ? Was it to be supposed that what the noble lord the member for the City of London bad well termed the "heartrending" sufferings of the army, were not pressing on the minds of the government at that moment; and was it, or was it not, the fact that sew men had been appointed, for the purpose of remedy ing existing defects ? (Hear, hear.) Under these einem stances, was there any national object to be gained by re peating, day after day, these melancholy and deepondisg statements, which he again said he believed to be gross exaggerations? (Hear, hear.) He had himself blood relations in the Crimea. and he had yet to learn that any one officer had written home is such terms of despondency as he had with shame beard within the walls of that house. (Hear, hear.) Every letter which he had recently seen spoke with the utmost confidence as to the result of the expedition. (Hear, hear.) He would ask whether it were fair to draw the comparisons which bad been drawn between their army and that of the French? It was not for him to say what was the present condition of the French army or what had been its losses ; but he be lieved its condition would not be coasidered so excellent were there in France opportunities for making statements on the subject similar to those which existed in this country. (Hear, bear.) The desponding statements which had been put forth were calculated to discourage our own soldiers end t• prompt the Russians to another attack. If another battle of Inkermann was to be fought, it would be upon those who make statements such as had been that niebt heard in the be lie that the blame would fall. He (Mr. 8. Wortley) ed that the Russian army bad suffered as much as our own ; nothing else could account for their inaction. Let hon. gentlemen ask for a strong govern. meet if they pleased ; let them sanction the selection by the crown of those whom they believed to be able to form such a government; but let them not put forward, night after night, and upon private information, facts which, if they were true (be at least believed them to be exaggerated), would be Incentives to the enemy to take advantage of our position. (Hur, hear.) He would ask hon. members if they bed seen statements in French newspapers, which were said to receive their tone from the influence of the highest authorities, wherein was espriesed astonish ment and shame at the statements which bad been made in the House of Commons ? Those journals stated that since 1815 this country had sought not to be a military nation— (hear)—aod appeared to be content to rest on put glories, whereas Prance ever since 1815 had been endeavouring to recover from the misfortunes which she bad suffered ; that the army had been the idol of France, that its organisetioa bad been improved in every practicable manner, but said they, "the English are now reaping the exp erience which we have gained. ' Mr. H. BAILLIE did not think the leaned mem ber who had just sat down was quite justified in his attempt to lecture into silence those gentlemen on that (the opposition) side of the house, who had asked for information from the government. If any lecture were called for it should have been addressed to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, for it was only through a voluntary statement of that right hon. gentleman that the matter now under discussion had been alluded to. (Hear, beer.) He (Mr. Baillie) could understand the inconve nience of ministers not desiring to give information upon the subject ; he could understand the Chancellor of the Exchequer pleading the exigencies of the public service as a reason for cot giving an answer to questions which might he put to him ; but, when a minister of the crown thought fit to make a voluntary statement setting forth facts in a manner certainly not tallying with the generally received views upon a question of great importance, it was the right of the house nay, of every individual member to know the grounds of the statement which the right hon. gentleman had made. (Cheers.) It bed bees said by some who professed to be able to give an opinion upon the subject, that the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in the statement which he volunteered to the house a few days since, had included not only the Turks serving in the army of the East but the sick and wounded also. He (Mr. Baillie) did not see how else the discrepancy in the state. resent of the right hon. gentleman was to be explained. For his own part he believed that the actually effective number of British bayonets in the But was 10,035 only. Lord J. RUSSELL—I do not wonder that my right bon. friend (Mr. 8. Wortley) wishes to avoid a discussion of this kind, but at the same time there is one statement which has been so commonly put forth, that I am not surprised that hon. gentlemen opposite ask for some explanation, and that they are surprised that there should be a discrepancy between what is ordinarily circulated as the state of the army and the official account which they hear from minis. airs. The statement usually put forward fixes the number of men before Sebastopol at about 12,000, and it is gene. rally understood that 54,000 have been sent out. It is then asked, how is it possible that, having seat out 54,000, you have now only 12,000 remaining, and how comes it that so enormous a number as 42,000 men have been lost to the army. Now the house ought to be in formed that this is not a fair comparison. If you take 64,000 on the one side as the number sent out, you ought not to take 12,000 as the number remaining in the Crimea. (Hear, hear.) The 54.000 includes all the cavalry and all the artillery; it includes every commissioned and every non commissioned officer; it ineludes every man pre sent under arms, every one employed as an orderly, upon hospital duty, or in any way whatever. Hence, when you have taken away all the artillery and all the cavalry, all officers, whether commissioned or non-commissioned, and all 'menenaployed in various ether duties not strictly military,you will get at a fair number with which to compare the number of men now spoken of mutually under arms in the Crimea. If you speak of the number sent out as 54,000 you must add all these persons to the number of effective bayonets now berme Sebastopol; they Were included in the mess of the 64,000. They ought now also to be included. When an endemics wad made in this , it would be found that the discrepancy would disappear. Renee it is a mistake into which bon. ruttiness have fallen, but it is a mistake which I think ought to be convected ; and I cannot but think that ft wilt be a comfort to the house and the country to know the real teeth. (Hear, bear.) 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