The Express. — London, England, 1850-07-10 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS...4OEIMAF, JOLT 9. Tito how mot at am oslook; Load Iain•MALS sat gram. IMPRISONMENT 105 DEBT. Lod BROUGHAM called salogron to • petition ad. bossed to Om as an "'Windiest pow OMNI poems osailar In the Quosn's Boar Priam for debt. Ro merely whir he slate tha(aadetr the two eats which iss hod bor lastrommir in passing. imprisonment for &Mrs rolbliall mar wbon the parr mired le sorer or had dill — leg sarinth All that tbs prissier bed to do was M *ply fir pielsidin, whisk would oaly core them too value of the Misr DEATH OF THE DUES OF CAMBRIDOE. The Ilerquis st LONDONDERRY moved, r • oink of moor foe the late Doke of C.ambridme, that their lordships sharld thou adjoins. The Marquis esLANSDOWNE opposed the retro bi rem throats he did ass yield to the noble lord I. mesa of the menu of the glaring perry whops decease they bed sow to deplore, the rare samotod would their lordships from sorra to • proposal he wee a= maks for addreeer of coadoloasolo kir llsjory and her Royal Diabetes the Dither of Cambridge. After a short tribute of respect to hie Mt* Royal Highnim by Lord BROVOTIANI. the Marquio of LONDONDZILItt 055. mooted to impend his motion nutil alter the addresses &imam bad beer voted. Upon the motion of the Marquis of LANSDOWNS, oisonded by Lord ILIDISDIA.II, it was tu said voted, "That an humble address be presintr to bog Mr jetty, to mono the deep corm of this bows at the leas which her Majesty has sustained by the death of his RO* Hipbone the Duke of Casalleidv, be orris with Mr Marty epos this ono' and to rem big Majesty that this hew wth pirdolpile with mat affectionate. loyal. sad dadtel sersbmoat ia wbaSever screens the happinem et his Ma/My sad bar illartioni • similar seldom bow*/ bon voted to her Royal High. Mos the Duchess of Cambridge. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY aired ? in deforms to their lord.hips' nion. ar to move the adjournment. MANCHESTER RECTORY BILL. TM Earl of St. (MAYANS woo undsollsod M wit trim the committee cm this bill, that Ilsomorkithe our not encomia it as it had boon introiessi so a Onto whilst in fact it was • public one. Tee Bishop of MANCHESTER Arsiod the bill, the riot of which was, after providing for the sorvicts of the oathedral, to apply the surplus rams towards the relief 01 aka spiritual destitution whir provailad in Maashrtor. Os the motion of Lord Lrrnthrow. the report on tho Basra. in Plurality Bill was mood to, with mead- Mats. The Earl of RODEN presented petitions from 4,000 of the wackier elasor of Birmingham, from 6,600 ialtabitoats Birmingham, and from various religious tioss Is Birmingham aid other places, sitablit postal sr oa Biadar. THE DRAINAGE AND IMPROVEMENT OF LAND ADVANCES BILL. Oa the motion of the Martinis of Latranoirst, the Cor gams' amendments on their lordships' amendment is this MB was *greed to. PARLIAMENTARY VOTERS (IRELAND) BILL. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, in moving the adoption of the report on this bill, said that, considering the greet number of amendments which had been introduced in com mittee, he thought the best plan would be for their lordships IM main the ',pert as it stood, to have the bill reprinted with the usendusents by Thursday, and to appoint the third reading for Friday. After a brief eoaverea'ios the report was received, and the third reading fixed for Friday ant. ELECTIONS (IRELAND) POLLING BILL. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE having moved the second reading of this bill. The Earl of )lOVNTCASHELL gave notice that it was his intention to move sundry amendments in committee, which he thought would have a beneficial and improving greet One, for instance, was es follows .„—" And be it emoted that any clergyman of any religious denomina tion whatever, who shell attempt to coerce, compel, oe restrain any voter in the exercise of his fano. tleim. such clergyman shall be guilty of misdemean our." The 10 was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed or Tnunday week. LIVERPOOL WATER-WORKS BILL. The Earl of HARROWBY presented a petition signed by 18,000 of the lahabitants of Liverrml against the Water works Bill. The Earl of HARDWICKE said that a similar petition had been presented previously, but was rejected by a com mittee of their lordships, as being made up for the greater part of fictitious names, and not the names of Liverpool rate payers. The alibied then dropped. The Inspection of Coal ICBM Bill was read a second time, and ordered to he committed on Tnursday. The Metropolitan Interments Bill passed through com• =item. The General Board of Health Bill and the Law of Copy right Design Bill were read a third time and passed. llpm the Court of Chancery Bill being real a third time, Lord Monte le suggested its extension to Ireland. Their lordAige then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. TUESDAY, JOLT 9. The SPIWIII took the chair at 12 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. AMVIDNILITS COMlWZRlD.—Heronsyks and Lamont Brie's Turnpike Bead; Tyne Navigation; Mver mon, Milltbsrpe, and Lawman Turnpike Road ; Bills. BILL As Mimi= CONSIDIRID.—BaItost Improvement SUL PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Pon Orrich signed by WS inhabitants of Bristol; Sir J. Y. BULLER, from Ettehale. against the present postal arranameenta ; by Mr. ELLIOT, from Itoaburitiettire ; Mr. FLOYER. from Dor- MOW ; Mr. CAR:MEM, from Liverpool; Mr. EVANS, from Derbyihire ; Mr.W. PATTEN, fr.m some place acme Setheard ; Sir. H. BERKELEY, prom three Wesleyan eon gregationo, preyi cog that the vote of the house on the subject nay not be rescinded. MERCANTILE MARINE BILL. The home mint into committal on this MIL The Ant, second, and third claims were agreed to, as was also claw 4, after it had been amended so u exclude plea sure yachts from in operation. On clause 7, Mr. MOFFATT moved to (11121 t the words that distinguish the owners ea ships engaged in the coasting trade from those In the kesien trade. Mr. LABOUCHERE opposed the amendment, which was lost by a majority of 70 to 7. Oa clams 16, Admiral BOWLES recommended the nomination of the miters and lutes of large enamors plying between the ports el the United Kingdom, aa w their aequaintanc• with the lanalitin. LAWECCIIHRE replied, that though persona en gaged in the wmatiog trade were not expressly in:luded within the demo, yet the provi=ion which made the loss of a ship from grub mitigates by any muter or mate a mis demeanour together with the probability of public opinion 00011 maistag all such pen - ms to undergo examisation from the boards about to be south um& would practically be ade quate securities spirt the risk of ignorance. On slams 16, 0111110:1 objected to the applicant Wag required to voodoos temissosials as to conduct and character • but upon a promise frees Kr . LABOCCII sae that the question should lerosessidsrod, sad after afaw words from Mr. Hruorss.o, Ile clams was agreed to. Os cisme 19. lir. WILLCOX moved ea amendment to the effect that eartlfloates of service should mot be granted to officers in the mial navy without a previous examination. . LABOUCHERE thought that the rank of a lieute nant is the royal navy was in heel( a 'efficient guarantee. The amendment was lost by a majority of 93 to 19. Clasen 19 to 23 were then agreed to. The house then reensed, and the chairman having °b iased leave to sit yule on Thursday, at 12 o'clock, the sitting was suspended till 5 o'clock. The home reassembled at 6 o'clock. PUBLIC BUSINESS. pEffiffaiY POST orrion.—Nmrly 200 pedtiame were presented by Wises members wines the present Jowl, PARLIANINTAIT OAT= Hti l .l. llll -We ialL ir H. HAL. FORD, boas Huggleseobe ; Mr. BRISCO, from the inhabit. sass of St. Mary-ke.tho-Coetle, Haottage,• Kr. MILES, from • plow in Somermishire ; Mr. PR SEER , from several plaice is Herefordshire ; and Mr. WELBY, from Grantham, and Belton, Lineolmbire ; Mr. SIMEON, from West Cowes, against the admiosioe of Jews into parliament. NATIONAL LAND CONTANT.—By Kr. S. CRAWFORD, hem Mr. F. O'Connor, praying that he might be en abled to bring is a bill to wind up the affairs of the National land COOlplay. LANDLOND AND TENANT.--By Mr. COWAN, from the Amer/ and others attending the market of Caper, Fife, eamplaining that the law of hypothee is Scotland is unjust end Impollde, end praying that the mediator o l f aa tl isay be assured frees a claim on th e p er t o f t h e Sm deetile payment In the event of the tenant being In debted so the fertser. THE NATIONAL LAND CCHLPANY. __ Mr. F. O'CONNOR presented a petition relative to the sake eithie sespay, ad moved that it be reed by the eierk at the table. The Clerk had umumeneed reading the petition, which =d to be from Mr. reargue O'Connor sad others, and shareholders in the National Lend Company, tam Mr. ROEBUCK asked if the hon. member wet competent be a petition from himself The SPILINI intimated that he was not, but said he might give it to some other member to present. Mr. F. O'CONNOR—Thank you sir; then I'll uk the ken. member for Rochdale to present it for me. Mr. B. CRAWFORD subsequently presented the peti tion, whisk prayed the house to give leave to bring In a bill to diesels* the company, notwithstandieg that the period fixed by the mien of the house for presenting petitions to bring in private bills had elapsed. NEW WRIT. Mr. BUTLER moved for a new writ for the county elf Mayo, in the room of his late lamented Mend Rickard DIIWk Browns. Agreed to. COURT OF CHANCERY. Mr. STUART gave notice that he would on Thuredey aurprecent a petition, as to the present state of the adult ablution of Justice in the Cohn of Clammy; ea said Eat h. would ea that day sake a tideland with mired to tie subject of the petition. INTERNATIONAL COPYRIGHT. WYLD. meeediag so notice. asked thejl st ON BUM i f gmassessa the Wadies r lam el 'Deis, if bible istmea ea Ai; iress i 7 s i was the lam ' 'e rID lanallna and obtain infennallien foam wha m the embsbla ewanalon el Nis Waists in tbAr a iiE Mr. LAB =CHERI mid that some time beta going ombliwees the If Ilda country and Fran. relative to • t an copyright. It wer swami that bat hoes remintha at 1345 as arraareimat would bare mkt RAILWAY BTOCIE.IN-= E. La IMMO! to MT. WODKHOUIIit, as to wlisiber gonnuaut invaded to Windom a bill as WI maw. Egir G. GREY said that then was at the present time a emandstee of the Home of Lade en the eabJeet, sad that it would be tie* to amidst what WIMP they should mime when that investigation bad terminated. DEATH OF THE DUKE OF CAMBRIDGE.—AD- Lord J. RUSSELL said—lt is say painful duty, befog' the keen premeds with the Weems ei the day, to ask it to Gomm is ea address of senelisee es leer Dlnnsty, premiss to her the deep regret end me maws whisk we yg realm the loss which her Majesty has eggineell by Iks death of hie Royal Highness the Doke of Cantheigae. Ide sot thlak for as to say many weeds M Wiese the home to smour h this address • for the weeny virtues et the late Deice ef Cambridge, the kindness of ail his acts—(hear, how)—his benevoleme towards; all glasses of her Majesty's gabfests, his unaffected demerawar, both in public sad is private life, made leg greatly respected by the meg* (Bear, hear.) Wl* sigma to his paid- Oh that. was the semi kindness to be found whisk he bad ever shown in mimes life • and al be held his own sad held dimly to what thmlikg /Mk; this Mrs Menace is W &amass to tibOSIOIde diEr . lbess hies. Therefore, I am sum that the horse will readily was, whoa I ask then Is was ea address of madskase to her Majesty exprarting the o gin e eera the hem feels at the less sustained by her, fa the death of Nis Royal Rieman the Duke of ; sad asstailas with ►INC *Misty by weariajg her IMO this holm will ever psititlyste with the west sae- Masts sat deaf= attachment in whatever may sowers her Mejesty or her illustrious sessert. (Rear.) The Reeve of GRANBY said that he hoped that masidendsa el the leas sad great kaftan whisk he bad g enii gem Ws Dalai Illistuter the Doke of Osio. t= Os ham wadi ase Marge him with preemp sompaadds molls& Beery slew sad ems= Wi paha Mk mot demrAy his lose, sad Mal they ast may hut as Mathew, noble, sad truly Belie wham but a Mad sad as amiable fellowwmatry mem (Mar, km.) The modes was them agreed Lord J. RUSSELL then moved that • from the House of Commas, condeling with her Royal the Duchess of Cambridge on the loss she has sumaimi by the death of hie royal highness, be borne to her by Legg Sey mour and the Marquis of Granby. (Rear, hear.) le DISRAELI said that, is venturing to monad Ai address of condolence, he felt sure that he was only exprem ins the sangria feeling of the House of Commons when he amid that they were never prompted by a spirit of empathy as., sincere, firm. or °minim, than on the present °comics. It was then aimed to. COUNTY AND BOROUGH FRANCIiIBI. Mr. L. KING, in asking the house for ham to bawls • bill to make the franchise in comes in England and Wales the sans as that la boroughs, by giving the right elm .. L ft to all occupiers of tarnemente of the annual value of Iffe said that the hems had already decided by a orneigegabli; majority that the extension of the franchise was •iel for the we:fare of Ireland, that every occupier ofe: al a tenement should have a vote, and he was not asking fee • greater extension of suffrage in Ragland. Objections, net arguments, were admitted against his proposition. It gas stid that It was to be regretted that he made such a maks because it resembled the charter; as if any pies ' form would net reseals the charter. When the houseneked at the increased intelligence and {enterprise of the people, they ought to alter their system, for the people had Misspell their ideas. It was an act of injustice that a person paying nearly 604 a year M rent was not represented at all. Tax. ation and representation ought to go together ; it was the great principle of our constitution that no man should be taxed unless he was represented ; and yet people were taxed —and heavily too—without Is, jog represented. By the pro. petty tax, the income tax, and the window tax, people contributed largely to the expenditure of the state. A man might have forty different estates in forty different counties of the annual value of 405., for sack of which he had a vote a year, whilst a person who had a house of the annual vales of 401. was not represented. A 101. householder at Hafer was entitled to vote for the thancellor of the Ex chequer; why should not a 401. householder at Dewsbury be entitled to vote for the hon. member for the West Rica., ? The how. member emended by moving for leave to bring in a WI. Mr. HUME seconded the motion. The noble lord who had brought la the Reform Bill in the year 1830 had him self admitted that he wee prepared to extend it, bat he had not stated to what 'Resat he would go. lie seemed to think that the people could not be trusted. He (Mr. flame) thought that the more the people were treated the more they would act faithfully towards their country ; they would be better prepared to maintain the hbertior which they enjoyed. tie raked the noble lord in what way could further progress be made with so little risk and danger as in that way which the hon. member had now pointed out ? There was a variety of qualifications amounting to some 70 or 80, by which people were entitled to vote in this country. lie did not ask to extend or increase the number of anomalies, bat one of the quail fie-diens being that 101. householders should have a vote in a borough, he only asked the house to extend the same privilege to counties. There could not be any risk. The parties who occupied 101. house in the county towns were superior to the men who voted for a 101. franchise in the country. He held the mo tion of the how. member to be one which the house might safely adopt, without alarming the most timid reformer. All the world was extending its representative government. The motion was extremely well planned, and he hoped the honourable and gallant member for Westminster would allow the division to be taken simply on this motion, and therefore he would strongly advise the gallant officer to post pone his motion. On the question that leave be given to bring in the bill, Sir D. L. EVANS said that with respect to the observa tions of the hon. member foe Montrose he should comply with his wishes, al 'h his motion had been submitted to the house as ea oirir motion two or throe months beton the motion of the boa. amber. His motion was : To Mott, aaat7amendatent to Kr: Locke liiites Matra; os the 101. traaehwe, to Imre oat al' the mode Met the word " le order to add the following : "To Meg the mama el my Woos et pro. petty tax a quidteetioe to rote ear mahere etliedimese fin to. amity or borough la Web sea gamer* ilea here Is nets. p.oti4ed that me poem the he a emelled mien le rd he,. hem reddest ter bi t i r es Te d twelve midi, wersdles urlthie the add romp er era doll lave ben ft lung alto to ren dre the warm peer tee p re foroghe elay preetier rated uof the wet awed vales elite m& agewir.quallatilas to rote for arelere et pogroms let the et a MIMI y or bira‘k vials vikh reit maim ere deireed. preehhd Ile perm _pm*, sea Mr sea brie reempiel seri ter twelve melte preesiletzt raw boa deity sloe le resew isprelts of owlets maid • levels be ins it T Ariert with the wadies of twelve sigthe preceding reign% erg registration, " aid et twelve atothe priosalag dentist el eh* dspeitr. He was mainly at the disposal el the beets I be 'heal be guided by the Imre. The propitiate he bad sebuitted west considerably beyond that of the hes. ressabst he last Barney, bat in hie oplaisa he did set phi eseegh. He sousned id thinkingthat there was set the MOM puma he alms as to the wasp. U lime waremy eseeley is Europe whit espied eztemitee same It wen • essatry . The reform d 11210wes est essegtel by the Phloem =es a templets and aVate ream; lime unpaid es •romiss, ,in a pest i.e.. lest the pease sad a ismr~d the firasery beAlasehad. It use esii=ellineseL He gest po m u elsi t that It would est be • seems _et the time ; 10 yeav had elapsed slue that pied, mad to populate* bed be. come more intellested eel meet. As to ss :L ai r ties included in Ile simasimet Ishii le bed he be lieved it paid set be a cop sense wheipsiet Men. The hoe. member i Ilimeme bed Muria to the advance of other plow es to the elective Mechlee. It certainly was iielseble sot to take them as a precedent on width le iris our owe _possedings. ( Hoar, hear.) Of the line proposidoes PIA he hed tended to submit Is the louse, the AU related le s palliest tion arising sat el the mutest of property tar. He did set know whether et se that tax was to be cestinued, bat he thought it shooed dist esstribatioe, of however mall as amount, tepid be ham the Madam. The nest would give the treaddes to sassy person rated at 61. to the poor rate—a Mashies of will& be did not see how any one could deny the equity. The third would give the franchise to all deposition of a metals amseat la the /wisp beaks. Is hi ipidee, the it of a perms having bad the velem sad heeded to arks such a deposit shwa be takes as a =Seism Washes that he was aEt and proper pais to meals, the unties. The effect of the preemie system of was to produce the greeted inequality in What the peat weight of the public berthas lay es parer ahem (Hear, bur.) It was abselsely assume that that house should be so poplar as to gems apirein eo the other house of parliament, whit sea OD Motile to all reform mama as to have the two hews Y esselset dea rer of a milieu. (Hear, hear.) They feel for such a contingency , and the may elleisat = re be le widen the franchise. It eel spite hese the alb. tetra* charades of the Reese el Pees, O hm a mat mea sure of the Hues et Omsmese, se goveressat Wald proesed War in a MIN of maim They were our bowies lips led Charybdis, premed er wards by the the pope MI the sae side, eel checked by aristeweale lasses, is both hum ea the other. They hid Is that home TD pees, ee ism of pale and throughout the matey repeesalelisa sae Mei& ously bought and sold. Re held in kis Loh the sheilise • meat of sale for is aelste , = 4 l r es =eigisillis Of which, It was elated OM It basses* air t 1,200 ledepesdiet peemee. (11 . =) The boa. pi rh o last member bevies sited the • podia ea aOM of Ihrnodehdrew his emisimet, in order that a divides might felt / be takes es themsts Mr. R and tkluellifh• eadastly jut, res emle, and modem% Mat he weed ee y rhea es my a word ea behalf of a dam et peens, is whose where he tees sore both olden of the hese hiss the t sezd a tgres ea beam& He sallied le he nomehme et any et wheatenh set lilt be dike er buserressaelibeenelly Eattalkisol. Re heeled that le my' elite freaddie, emir ems ben leirm ime THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, JULY 10, 1850. Mr. G. THOUPSON said that sew slue the Baca BM had bees &Med, bad the swathe el the Inlasposat the treasithe owe hellso• the house la le havenala an sepeee—(bwar, biteo)—owd he believed that so wheialeter Yen bed war gnaw ape to pea the sabjest their swifts esseldwalea *ea Ithr paw* swwwassal immoss z 4 s ha y were by Mann owl dlowsn, sad aa . peed to blhaS ia iseseqaffirs the state of pieties is home. (Load fries Noon hear.") With to the peaks before the boa" he might other is deb velum So lbw th a t war doggerel !gates Wall dill met Impel is the world, hat be wssM be wawa; le draw hie lllostratithe bow a very portable docuseat, newAy,a retara which had ben posond by the how bertha Wow Idea for 1801— 9. It would he la the reetheetka el the Wee. that the raters was sae el the ember el &New IS the reglathr for the boreeshe sad shies d Rosiest red Webs hi the par nay sad a rears the et their pow pipoladew The let am amused with the iweitheet otheletaawypad waded with the lupe, and it swarth that la the . Weighs there had beta tithe last sorrel ameba_ aw mho at ell. Now , WOO Amara b the hag. redeem ameba He did ▪ -ow it wee possible be retest the Martha Bat he et eleeterel &Aiwa (Hear, beer.) Bat lie maid my, it they did adept am. they wilb remote Umatilla sow, or = Y et h i rea7L at t i li bl e . esearay. So did see hew it wee per tilde. whoa they getibeeisetstral provost the fewer lolgiag wholly is the Modred the dateetnlff. The while id tbe erten of there 'oedema wee Medd es s there* easitempt for expreisuce, sad a deterwdeadea Se evolve awe Febesse of weverssuat eadlWdiaea eat after& owe Ka lb . I Ha did we bilek the yeepiU el his boa. Woad (Mr. Maid iavelved es lamp a mime steams; It wee the one is effort se tint be (W. Deuwel) led &boiled ea Wow ossisisar, whi. Its shoal smolt it. tad es the D. that ft wet V g istilika (gibe Lord D. STUART wee Ili beer the tea. declare he would vets Ise so ream whatever be Meg se. H. regretted dial the boaourahlo mamba he Wesbalatter hid ,114 drawn his reeties, whisk wee brier sad non eniv *ea the use now Wore them, lbw* He no gentlemes mid/ 110116110, 11117, theri by so mums milldeatly so to ethsfy him. —.. went were set prams . lye migkeste kr gadhemestery die the whole begat of the Ma. member for Moittrose, duties. I=lo9o l llbitlinek ISM and. sad believed that so meows would be satisfactory as a sae to disk leek and be pi lit/wt of 62 boroughs settlement which did net admit every man to the baulks with emetibiesthe sf ram 800 gash, there were neon• who paid poor rates. Till that wee aeltithat the inuecon tested 41 omen, sad mateseth U, sad that keen the 41 where the subjoin woad sever be iihanienei. His setae blend them wee set the shaken ef smartest Mammies 63 members (Lord Jobs Romig had thews *Mho did sin madder the el pediesiest He bush iseldag. et the homelike that present state of the repeenentalles eatieteatory he he had ranged hem 199 to 1,830 theta % this leie there let fall some alonilmat weeds this endow, tall i iig that were 1111 esateeth white they retuned 43 nemben, before nog he wend term his attention to maim in all 99 members renamed by emestpose the subjoin, with the thew to propose some reform. sneostested elections. (Hear, bear.) And he wield farther This was a step ia the right dilutes, though a observe with reference to those against whisk " meet" small one, he should eleldlee sapping It, mad he hoppeed wee marked, that in reality there we so mated. He had the government weal take the egportsmity ef saseasdsg Imbed into the matter, sad he was prepared to say that in their intention to support some welt mo rase. se aim we there say real bemuse in so ewe had Mr. NEWDBOATE who rem seethe loud cries of the even the of a shame. (Hear, Divide," said that the knee had • right to expect that the hem. lb tre ad, therefor., that est of 123 sleenotte for advocates eng relo should be esserstent in their demands ; osier 1,000, there were 71 sweetened and bat, looking at the eneeinmelin of which notice had been he entethei ; mad that, set of 186 members, given, this was far has lengths ewe. He regarded this as 30 had bees massed whitest • eaten . (Hear.) nothing but an attempt to pee the new on the government. Why ? Simply bemuse these berth& were the private Lord J. RUSSELL mil be thoold vote against the pre. of pee or wealthy mummers, and the people, in seat motion, very musk SS the ground which the hon. them, though nemlaally nine, bed so voice or share in the member for West Surrey gave for voting In its favour. *beams whisk y leek per, (Hear, hear.) Let (Hear, hear.) The hen. pathogen said he did not think Idoe = diem 71 Imminenth boroughs with 60 lugs any considerable mbiltiereenld arise from it, es at that Nee Hie arms number tie members. He found that period of the midis, it could not go farther doe p numb of electors in the 71 was 36,767, about than a bill being MK on the table. That wee else le er the West Riding and the Tower Hamlin He not the manor h which the house skald ling the mann. of dime 71 to be 718,876, about deal with a quietism se Inge end so important as that the sisal le ma the Tower Hamlets. Let them parliamentary fesaekin lithe house was diapoeth mike seat see who wan represeated by the 99 menaben who sat some unmake or Mendes of that franchise, a mum, tor the SO at the Ober eat of the lies. They wand should be brought in early in the seethes should nuke ma lad that of so make, there ware only 11 eases- tun deliberation, should either Ds accepted as pr pig, or tenet &Mime, and when he meendesed them the Mae modified as the home thought fit, and should be Onesedbi Medi MO that the Maras bed when foss as limbic Ml.- with and passed in the session in which it wee introduced. rase; ltembeetee, Birmingham, Balked, Welverhatatitca, Merely to admit a bill to be laid on the table, without ast Oxford, Exeter, Piesbary, &Where*, Southampton. In all intention of taking it up or going on with it, would be le them there was most 'greenly an entire alums of improper trifle with a very Important subject, in a manner unworthy influent. The valets and whin of the people prevailed. of their situation, sad not quite fair to the people of the The other two, Chester sad Shoeshine, were doubtful. The country. To him that was quite a sufficient reason for total number of election ia the het list was 270,217, being veneer against the present proposition, without entering into a =jerky of 233,480 over the 71 boroughs at the head of its particular merits, and ia this be wasfullyjuatifted, for the the lie. (Hear, hear.) Under Beth a system there was not gentlemen who had supported it had hardly entered Wet a single member of the government responsible to the any arguments having the lees reference to the propesitios. country at large. They had seen noble lords and right bon. They had complained of other defects and suggested oboe gentlemen dismissed from large constituencies, and coming remedies but bad scarcely noticed the bill proposed to be in for small boroughs. Ejected from Westminster they found brought in. (Hear, bear.) If they had to deal with as es refuge in Harwich, and therefore they were virtu- tension of the franchise it should not be in the middle of the ally no more responsible to the people than if month of July, not merely with a view to allow a bill to be they held their meats by hereditary right. (Hear, hear.) laid on the table, and take its chance of consideration after- He did not wonder at their indirposlilon to equalise the wards in some future session, as to whether that bill or some franchise. Were they so to enlarge the constituencies es to other should be carried. Ile had been invited into a discus put it out of the reach of wealth to influence, or power to Wen into which he should certainly not enter at any length intimidate, many speeches which they now made with tape- on the present occasion, having on former occesions fully de. city, as not having the fear of an election before their eyes, livered his opinion to the house en those questions. Hon. would be left unsaid, and in their room they would have gentlemen had argued a (nation not at all before the speeches and outman mon in accordance with the home which it was not proposed to effect by the interests of the country at large (Hest, hear.) present bill—namely, as to the number of electors to Now if he compared the gm' population of the 71 boroughs each representative, and the anal arithmetical calculations to which he had first alluded and of the 60 to which he list had been gone throtigh,shorring Staten proportion of electors referred, he found that in the first—the 71 boroughs—it was to representatives was very much smaller in the small 718,875, sad is the 60 boroughs it was 4,666,828, making a boroughs than in the large cities. He had always admitted difference of 3,936,953 in favour of the smaller number, that this was perfectly true : but it wee time fey those who (Hear hear.) Take another illustration—the relative brought forward that defect to state what inference numb;ir of houses rated to the relief of the poor in the two they drew from it. Let them state what was their eases. In the 71 boroughs it was 135,200, and in the 60 scheme, and show that it was compatible with boroughs it was 699,666, or a difference in favour of the the present form of government ; for, without latter of 764,466. The result was that these fifty larger saying that there were not inequalities, and that hwourchs, though they returned no mono members to that a perfectly equal representation would be preferable, he must house than the 71 boroughs, where there bad beta no con- contend that the people of this country were deeply and teat and could be none with success, contsitied seven times thoroughly attached to the form of government under which as many sheen, more than six time the population, and they lived. (Hear, hear.) He had always maintained this seven times the number of houses rated to the relief of the condition, which hitherto they had happily complied with, poor. (Hear, bean) Now let him shew them how the that the mode in which that holm was constructed—the system affected the votesand the legislation of that house. Take mode in which the people elected their repre'entatives— the last division on the motion of his hon. friend (Mr. Hume) should be compatible and consistent with the monarchy and foe amending the representation of the people. Out of with the House of Lords , whieh formed along with that house the 99 members who represeated these 71 uncontested fundamental and essential parte of the constitution. (than, boroughs, 7 voted for, 43 against that voodoo, and 49 were hem) Therefore the next time hon. gentlemen brought absent from the division ; while of the 99 representing the forward these arguments, he should call on them to show, 60 larger boroughs, 47 voted for, 27 against, and 26 were ab- first what was the plan they proposed ; and, then, that it sent. (Hear.) But when he said 27 voted against the mo would produce a result agreeable to the general wishes of the lion he ought to put the house in possession of the fact that people, namely, the maintenance of the form of govern -12 of than who so voted were occupants of the treasury 'week meet under which they lived. Whatever defects there (Cheers.) One of them being the noble lord the First Lord might be in the present constitution of pulle d the Treasury, and amongst the others were the learned ment, aid whatever extension of the suffrage might Attorney General, the Chief Poor-Law Commissioner, the be desirable, he certainly should not feel it ne- Second Poor-Law Comudiakeser, the learned Solicitoo-Gsne- notary to repeat what he had stated an former occasions ; ral, the Secretary of the Admiralty a Lord of the Ad- he had nothing to add to those statements, nor did he re :shaky, a Secretary of the Treasury, a Member of tract any of them. (Heir hear.) But the hon. member the Ecclesiastical Commission, an ex-Under Secretary for the Tower Hamlets saici, that unless the governmentcame of State, • Lord of the Treasury. (Hear, hear.) forward and gave same pledge to prepare during the recess, The united salaries of these gentlemen amounting to no less a plan of parliamentary reforms, and bring it forward at the than 250,0001. • you! (Loud cheers.) Take soother illus. c,mmencement of the session, he and many others would be tenon from the same paper, an illustration which had been disposed to lose their contideace in the government, which mod by the hon. member for Oldham two years ago, but could not long subsist, and that perhaps the gentlemen op which was so striking and apposite that it deserved to be re- posite, if they proposed something in the way of extension peatei. If they took a group of boroughs from the top of of the suffrage, would have their vote ; and that therefore the list sending 20 members to parliament, end another the government ought to lose so title in framing their plan. group from the bottom also sending 20 members, the first (Laughter.) The government would doubtless frame such group would consist of 14 boroughs, while the second group plans and measures as they thought would he advantageous would consist of 9. In the first they would find 3,135 eke• to the country, end would bring them forward in due time ; ton, in the last 111,664 electors; making the astounding diffe- if they had not the confidence of the house, and if the hon. recce of 138,629 electors in the return of 20 members. (lieu.) gentlemen who professed to be so very anxious for liberal But it might be said by some, or, if sot said, there would be measures, thought that a change of government would be some who might imagine that there was something con- advantageous, let the change take place. netted with the interest of these 14 small boroughs that Mr. BRIGHT said the only reason urged by the noble made their claims to the representation paramount to those lord against the measure was that it could not pus that of the 9 large boroughs which were permitted to send an session. But, during this and the last three or four yes equal number of members to that house. Bat when he lions, the government had very frequently committed the named these 14 boroughs and contented them with error attributed to the hon. member for West Surrey. Only the othn group of 9, he would leave the hones to judge, the other day tke noble lord hod to sweep from the The 14 wen—Calne, Reigate, Andover, Arundel, Rich- table a number of bills which he had brought raced, Enareshorough, Thetford, Wilton, Ashburton, in this session; and, if the custom of past sessions was not Abingdon, Harwich,liarlborough, Midbunt, Northallerton ; omitted this year, he had yet to introduce and debate =ea sed tin 9 were--the City of London, Westminster, Mary's- sure of owniderable importance, which he professed to hope boas, Lambeth, Southwark—these constituting the metro- to be able to carry even before this session was at an end. polio of the world, the emporium of the commerce of all The noble lord's mode of arguing this question was net at all anions, the sat of empire and legislation, and the centre of satisfactory, not in accordance with his duty on a matter the wealth and Influence of the whole world—(cheers)— which he admitted to be of great oonwquence. He cons. Liverpool the second port in the Kinadom—(bear)—Man- plalned that the speeches in support of the memoirs had not chaster the largest manufacturing city in the world—(hear, bees to the point ; but surely that observation could not hear)—Bristol a eon of great wealth and commerce, and apply to the mover or to the hon. member for Montrose. Birmingham the lan of isdustry, whom wares found their But not a single sentence of the noble lord's observations way wherever civilisation had won its triumphs. (Cheers.) bad the slightest reference to the particular motion. (Hear, In the town of Birmingham alone there were 4,400 more Hear.) Had they jest dropped down upon the island, Anion, 31,666 more rated houset, and 113,787 more inha- and were without any government whatever, but with their bitants than in the whole of the first group of boroughs he present notions of representative inatitutioos, he took it for had mentioned. Yet Birmingham pent but two mem- granted that the Roble lord himself, with all that courage hers, while these fourteen boroughs returned twenty. which he displayed most when he was wrong—(hear, hear) Take the grow population in the 9 boroughs and °nevus it —would not cars to propose to the intelligent people of this with the groan population in the 14. In the 9 it was country a system of representation like that now existing in 2,166,493 ; in the 14 it was 67,329 ; being a difference of Great Britain and Ireland. He presumed that all rational 2,089,164. They would find the 9 boroughs contained 41 men would take the course which was taken, or soon to be tines as many elector,, and 31 times as many inhabitants, taken, in our colones, or in the formation of new states in the as all the others pat together. In the first moup each American republic. But they were quite conscious, as was member represents on an average 172 voters ; in the mond, the noble lord, that that was not a desirable or perhaps a pos -7,083 VOWS; the difference being C,911. In the first group sible thing to be done under the circumstances of this nun seek member represented 3,366 inhabitants; in the gonad, try, sad therefore they were not foolish enough to ask for it ; ,107,824 inhabitants; eaking • difference of 104,468. Take but they asked that those glaring and notorious irregulari ties Mare illustration from the same authentic mune. In tin should be diminished, that those just grounds (and 1I the electors on the register In the Tower Hamlets nobody knew better than the noble lord that there were were 19,360. The Tower Hamlets returned two members. just grounds) of discontent to the great body of the people, (gem, hear.) Now there were sitting in that house should be greatly mitigated, if not entirely removed. (Hear, 33 merann, voting on all questions affecting the hear.) The proposition before the house was for extend- Me, Interests, prospects, and destinies of the country, ing the borough 101. franchise to counties. The noble lord Mcasented 68 boroughs, the Poll oosstituescies had lately been in Lancashire, and must know that in MI mu* laminated to 19,282, or 68 less than that and many other counties, there were considerable these on the register in the 'Tower Hamlets. (Cheer) towns and large villages, and thousands and tens of thou- It we neesseary,if the noble lord desired to retain that support sands of hews, the occupant. of which had net the fran which would enable him to matins* in the administration chin at all, though these houses would give the franchise public affairs—it was q, both with regard . to the in boroughs. They asked that the principle which was =ieat of dima: e sd s, theme members in that good in the boroughs should be held good In nt MI b tildr mho present 8 0 ' the counties ; that the intelligence which was sat wswimmmt power , got be thelealeate his intentions &Wetly enlightened to vote for members of sa this important "milks et mweesthelon. (Hear.) The parliament in a borough should be held sufficiently Gems ore= of ineweethe _width be bad spoken of in refer- enlightened in a county—that the rating value which use le the bereewhe Wend also in remit to the county re- was sufficient in boroughs should be held sufficient is placee pmesseetten. Se lemeed the mete lard would not beyond their limits. The noble lord's proposition, that the meow }shield without giving to the country some people were gnashed to our present form of government,could SIMPOINIMI that he Wended in the next session to propose not be disputed, nor did he wish it to be disputable; but if, some iacream of reform. (Hear, hew.) He could say, from tweet, yews ago, the noble lord was justified in laying on ii ....... „ ...„. tabeahlreatenales acquaintance with the feelings of the the table of the house that great measure with which his dhe did not refer merely to the working dames, name would be for ever identified, and in invoking the • 11ow who wen now disfranchised, but to those who were power of bodies to put down opposition in that ram=of prorn oul l, and who were parsons of undoubted home and " t P ot Zones the eons of the House of Lords,- -be aSehre the home that amongst after twenty years of snob progress as we had seen,—pro- this sloes maZlly, there was set the slightest dread of any grey in 'dentin in Industry , in weal, is or Noakes hem ea equitable etat every thing that tended to make a nation great, tif in ettambise. (Hear, lams.) He wee h a Nakao. to the noble lord would be still mon Adi eus's them that the middle ohm_ Resnik went medially to fled Row in Introducing another measure, which the extent vespooth by his ben. eked else member he Mon- should be as great a stop from our present trees (Mr. Hutu) ; and If so, how mush 'sore sordidly position as the measure of 1832 was from the state of girded would they go Inaseepting, in the hope of its bong re- things which previously existed. (Chem.) Huh had hem as a nail settlement of the question , say o f th aw said recently about constitution abroad ,• it was said te be smaller 1111•Mle Width he was sorry to say were, equally the duty of that house sad the country to interest itself to with the stem ehtenau• schemes, uniformly rejected by oonstlettional government abroad. (Hear, hew.) Lad them that home. remember that their own neetitution, of which the noble Mr. H. DRUMMOND mundered the motion so simple lord was one of the loudest boosters gave the tramehiss emly sad kirmlem thus he hoped the pveramest would not op. to one grown man la seven le this United Kingdom. (Hear. pew te, thing! there wee swims* of the bill peon, daring hear.) He should be as to own himself • citizen of the woad mien (A Isegit.) The hem gentling & had this country did he believe it pueblo that, for any length of esid that he had Wed the Wings oldie popegin 8e be. time, it could be tolerated that ex men out of seven should Boned that was aif the mid that wheelie said be shut out from the winery sunk* of the common right a Meted "ke =sat my " exalted." (Hear, and trigge.) of the franchise. (Hoar, Mu.) He should most Thet then wee mellement was evident whoa the party to whin, his vote for the motion. It was one which mer a ft:tl l l and seemang tie the box gewilnua, the noble lord was Indebted candid attention, and the adoption of the house, and whisk, kr Me Meese peollies, - sea forward plainly and avowed if carried, would give the greatest satisfaction to oval Pent thed mike memmise esemeelled with Token they demanded of the kingdom. (Hear, hear.)) 11111.0 Mr the puree ef atabilibisA t a republic. (.. N o ," After a few words from Bile . LOcxa XlllO sad Mr. ties the liberal binehen) Net y, they know very well OxarTete that It wee es. (A neigh.) Miming bad esid that it was Mr. DISRAELI interpreted the motion Into a confession ▪ Iy latethim et the cosethlethes kat • amain won- of the failure of the Reform Bill. Fora considerable time a Msr gem= *salt to all toms reties a see n& member ge gnat number of gentlemen opposite had been discontented apiesegeadese, Them who wets returned to that bong with that settlement adopted in 1830 ; gentlemen who were sop the segemmilatime, set of pannier room . but of then ready to vote that black was white for the principle *fibs the billereele of the He admitted that byng Es- bill, gentlemen who went to the country foe " the bill, the gni Mg they bed iintair4 p t ho h• original_ bs priaciple of mpg.. whole bill, and nothing bat the bill." (lieu) They must oestelles, est ea the le they had substituted, he have most _profoundly and most maturely investigated the esafeeied he did art know wtO theiree the argument. question. they were deeply responsible for their dui" under well. , le to be w a debsi lie • la the Jpeardly mime unatry, entire ell Maud wsking that ispeedpitate esn ; what we adopt we will adept after dna ; whoa we have duly inveidgeted the el e proposition we will adhere to the new will remember what we owe to the country nothbg hastily or ineoulderately ; but we thd lumen" born under the influence at an imelent and we will take care to give oar ad hoden to 011111011 that are to be permastent." Bat ever fa this bill— ' the whole bill, and nothing bat the bill," Width it was insisted was the only result that add satisfy cis sation—was passed, we found the most stimulus COM- Phil* am& by gentlemen opposite, who were sent there Eh... principles, and who represented liberal opinions; wean always qua/rolling with the political arrangements had sent them to the house. Oa such • subject, he (Mr. Dirndl) spoke this iediage of many of his Mende when he mid that he had no superstitious reverence flea die Itetorm Let He was not in the house when that Nuposed, or he should have apposed it. (Ironical laughter. Omit, se fee es the tones were ecesemd,) else *see perpetual guards were taking plate between the ram sad the vineries of the Rehm Let, that UM might mat, out, gala all die nrcnastaness or the me, it was hardly respeatable to the house sad tad government that they should not upon their *dons. What he tees now to know was what did opposite 1: ea mean? If they meant to say that they could co endure the ancient emeetleation of this anwary, of a constitution modified by politial estates at the ret ie, it they were of opinion that every acre is Oh anintry, ad every pound stating of eadtal, and every .saber of the population, war to be represented in that home, thee be add that they were propedng 'revolution in Ks einedtatisa ad W country, because If that house war to represent such mate rials end such personal interests it war absurd to pretend that any inflame or any power weld be exercised by any other estate of the realm. (Hear, hear.) Bat were they prepared to say this ? They who came forward with a proposition for a 101. franchise in the counties—they who were met with an amendment which war immediately after withdrawn ; were they prepared to say that every man who was full•grown," as an hon. gentleman had expressed it, was entitled to the suffrage ? Why did not they come forward and mike that proposition ? Not one of them had made that proposition. Oa the contrary, several of them had ands declarations hostile to such a proposition. He remembered a speech of the hon. mem ber for the West Riding (Mr. Cobden) in which he particu larly disclaimed the intention of applying it to the labouring classes of this country. The bon. member for Blanchester (Mr. Bright) had ago particularly limited himself on that subject. There was not one of them who would come for ward and say that every man " full grown "—though he did not understand what wu meant by that phrau—was entitled to a tote. If they would tell him exactly what they meant he would be able to meet them. If they meant to say, that that war the house of the people—if, in that house, they meant to concentre all the po. Utica! influence of the country, then they were bound to propose that the suffrage should be given to every man full grown. But they did not propose that. Not only did they not propose it, but they disclaimed it. They shrank from it. They admitted it was dangerous. Then they came to this-- that the commons of England mast be a body groat or small which possessed and exercised a privilege. If they admitted that, and they had admitted it, it became a question for decision, what, on the whole, was a wise and politic settlement of the privileges of the Commons ? (Hear, hear.) Would opposite gentlemen now meet the question fairly, and tell the house that they were prepared to change the consti tution of the country ? They would not. They case for ward, and at the end of the session, proposed a resolution, and made speeches that did not apply to that resolution, but to something wider and much more vogue. But, there was not one of them that would come there and say that he wished to oonoentre power in that house, because if they wished to concentre power in that house, they must give power to a clue which they were not prepared to trust. The hon, member for Westminster (Sir De L. Evans) had told them ;that night that nothing could be more preposterous or absurd than to suppose that the body of constituents which was deemed satisfactory 20 years ago, should be deemed satisfactory at the present time. Bat, it could not be forgotten, that by the machinery of the Reform Act the constituency ought to expand in a relative proportion to the population. Therefore the argument of the bun. member for Westminster was entirely worthless. But had be (Mr. Disraeli) not heard eloquent speeches from eminent gentlemen on the opposite side, in which they told the working po7ulation that they had political power in their right if they chose to acquire it—that any man who realised by his labour an income of is the year could acquire political power? Had he sot been told over and over again that the oßject of gentle. men opposite war to change the depositories of power, and that the facile and obvious mode of doing that wee for the working classes to avail themselves of the privilege which the constitution gave them, and possess themselves of the franchise ; and had he not heard that any working man in England, of ordinary industry, could easily possess the franchise, and change the depository of power ? (Hear, hear. Were they to be told to-night that with all these advantages—with the:machinery supplied to the political constitution of this country—the people of England were so besotted, so degraded, so incapable of belt exertion and respe:t that they could not make the effort necessary to possess a power which was described uso desirable? (Cheers.) The whole question hinged upon this point. If the possession of the franchise war the highest and most cherished privilege of man, could it be the right of every one, however degraded. indolent, or unworthy to possess it ? If so, then the house could understand the question that was really to agitate the country and affect public, opinion. Gentlemen opposite knew that if they carried out their principles is an extreme not one in ten of them would be returned to that house. (A laugh.) If they dared to propose that the constituency should consist of every full nova man they' would be defeated at the hustings, He did not believe that the ten-pounders, the tive-pounders, or even the two-pounders would support them ; but he did believe that the great masses of the people would be faithful to the traditionary instincts of Eng lishmen, that they would be for the monarchy, and the em pire, and for that system which had made England eminent, and that they would give the great national verdict against i the levelling system of political tergiversation of which gen tlemen opposite were the supporters. (Cheers.) p Sir B. HALL submitted that u the Reform Bill war twenty years old, the time had come when, by en extension of the franchise, it should be adapted to the growing wants ; and wishes of the country. He retorted the taunts of Mr. ; Disraeli, by alluding to those early incidents in that hon. . member's career which showed his willingness to serve under ; the banner of Mr. O'Connell, even if he did not go the whole length of the charter. ; Mr. DISRAELI entered into some explanations touching . his political consistency. The house then divided— For the motion Against it COLONIAL COFFEE. Mr. ANSTEY moved that a select committee be appointed to inquire into the declining state of the colonial and foreign trade in coffee, and of the public revenue thence derived, and whether such decline is attributable to any frauds practised by the ostlers of coffee, or others, and as to the best means of preventing such frauds. The hon. gentleman contended that on the returns, the figures of which he re ferred to, that there had been a decrease in the revenue in exact proportion to the increase of the imports, and that this could only be accounted for by a system of fraud which required to be inquired into. Major BLACKALL, in seconding the motion, urged that the planters of Ceylon who had ID large an interest in the matter and who did not ask any protection, were entitled to an inquiry into the causes which occ asioned the great depression in the sale of coffee. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that in resisting the motion he wottldgo no further than the statement of the hon. gentleman himself, who, by stating that there was no difference of opinion as to the facts, admitted that an inquiry whose only object was to procure facts and to propose • remedy for them, was unn The hon. gentleman suggested two remedies. He (Sir Wood) on a former occasion stated, and he believed the house agreed with hint, that it wu not expedient to adopt either of these two remedies, and the hon. gentleman ex pressed himself satisfied, and said he would not trouble the house with a division, and there the matter ended. The assertion of the hon. gentleman was that the use of chicory interfered with the consumption of coffee, and the remedy that he suggested was, either that an excise duty be imposed upon chicory, or to enforce strict regulations to prevent its use. Now he would trouble the house with the reasons why they should not impose an excise duty on chicery, or the vexatious nature of the interference that would be re quired to prevent chicory being rained with coffee. The hon. gentleman had referred to documents for the purpose of showing • decrees@ in the consumption of coffee. Now, by the returns for the last month, it would be seen that the colonial consumption of coffee had increased. The falling off in the revenue was chiefly accounted for by the diminu tion of the entries of foreign coffee. The entries for the month ending June 6 were of colonial coffee 2,467,000 lbs. against 2,715,000 lbs., and the falling off in the revenue wu occasioned by the falling off in the en tries of foreign coffee from 438,000 lbs. to 209,000 lbs. (Hear.) He was not prepared to adopt either of the remedies that the hon. gentleman suggested. If the hon. gentleman suggested any other remedy he had not the lean objection to consider it. He really thought that at this period of the session it would be most useless to appoint a committee of inquiry. Hr. M. OLSSON said he did not wish to detain the house, but it happened that he had presented a petition from the Chamber of Commerce at Manchester, relative to the de dieing state of the celoniil coffee trade. He certainly agreed with the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exche quer that there could be little use in appointing a select committee to inquire into the subject, especially at this pe riod of** session ; and he thought that this remedy for the declining state of the colonial coffee trade ought to be sug gested in that house. One remedy suggested, and be hoped the right hon. gentleman would take it into consideration, was that they should impose an equal duty en foreign and colonial coffee. 3.TfIiELL said he had for the last two years been a grower of chicory, and he mast me m, that at this moment it was the most remunerative produce that an agriculturist could turn his attention to. The growers sold the chicory in the London market, and the actual process was this, that by baying a curtain quantity of coffee the public' bought a cheaper article than if they were to commas the inferior clam of coffees. Mr. ANSTICY said the right hon. gentleman the Chancel lor of the kzchequer admitted the facts, bat said the remedies he (Mr. Anatey) proposed was Impracticable. New he proposed that as inquiry should be made as to She profitability of *see remedies. Coff a sea ad only with chine, bet with awns, regetatd. dueghills, mead, hark, dust, inahogany tißee °M description of rubbish. and re , rf had llls Thhg e .et : l3Al6l.B4 : llN ou rGriaDa n thAtt o ! L : h a At'l ra c ati g a ct iid : l: to li N dfor tkie i L E r r eca . l. l.6: t . i T alz . : ) , :r l2 :;: i t ' . :: C ah petlentan having risen to introduce the motion oi ens cA be postal aneagentants, io th e Mr. P. MACKENZIE said he hoped the hon. h.. • ,f n Hoeiton would not proceed to ietroduce his mo n of " Oh, oh.") When the hon. amber was a.koi li on that evening, he (Mr. Mackenzie) understen reply that he would not proceed at so late an h.tir ft if) -- 11 o'clock. (Criesof "Go on.") ce An Rot. Td presented* petition (roman. cal pi th against the rescindieg of the recent order. Sir R. INGLIS mast object to the hon. uniab•r's on, ending at eo late an hour. [lt was then ab, , ,t tiW s minutes past 11.7 Mr. FORSTER rid he had an imp or t ant pe . ition to seat signed by a number of memb ers o f L loyd ' ', ppe the of the enmatibiee. the petitioutn steted dteg the business of Lloyd's had been very mine impeded by meat regulations, and prayed the house to Nil.: fe.4,7 4 for the restoration of the former system. He oil else petition to prinent from 1,016 persons residirg at kel t t iu eluding admiral+, a general officer. 13 other ofttiere,4,..e, gymen of the Church of England, ho heavers and other members of the legal profession , 9 physician, and II Mi. gems. Also Dubois a petition from the enclesisah nst to . Mr. DISRAELI presented petitions from Bucks Iv)* the rescinding of the order recently issued. Mr. GIBSON preseated a petition, ei.neil by th e chairman of a meeting held on the previous eveeing at the London Tavern, against the recent arrangement. Sir E. N. BUXTON presented peti:iana from Suffolk. against the rescinding of the order. Sir J. PAKINGTON rose, without a petilion, amian ales of " Order." He said he only rose to any clot he ap prehended that hon. gentlemen who were then prmetting petitions desired to present them when the siitject vag brought on for discussion, and that he honed th ere f ore, they would abstain from presenting them then. Mr. ROEBUCK rose to order. It was a rule of t h e house, that on the presentation of a petition, an w,ee reat i o , should be made. (Hear, hear.) The SPEAKER said ne observation emld 5e mode on a petition, but he understood the hon. bennet to make an appeal to the hon. member for lioniton wt h refttente to the motion. (Hear, hear.) Sir J. PAKINGTON said the Speaker had meet a m , reotly described his object. Mr. LOCKE said be felt himself placed in difficilty Het had petitions to present, and he had a personal quebtion to imweg . With regard to the question, he would coolest that in the early part of the evening he did etre that if his motion would not be brought oa between ten sod eleven o'clock he would not press it. (Hear, hear.) iii ra,lttal,tt that he could not release any of his friends C:11 liven o'clock, and he appealed to the house whether he had a t 1. pt (" Go on.") Mr. COBDEN presented petitims from ame o'er ad otter pleas in favour of, and from a Wes:cyan ....,r3reeatiOn against, the rescinding of the recent order. Mr. CHILDERS presented a petition from 2.laLlon ae'in,t the rescinding of the order. Mr. MACkENZIE again rose, and was met with 1 - . ad cries of "Spoke," and" Chair." Mr. LOCKE also rose at the same r". The SPEAKER asked whether it %as the pl.- house that Mr. Mackenzie should be lyarC " Locke," and great uproar.) The boo. mi.a.',cr Ur 114. ten roes when he called upon him to make his rho•ion, sal he apprehended, therefore, that the hoo. member was teitly in ;possession of the chair. (" Hear, hear," an.: e s Sir H. LNGLIS rose amidst loud cries of • (J:, r " Locke," and " Chair." The Lon. baronet sail to respectfully submit to the Speaker that, after ca:: the hon. member for Honitoo, he put from the thcr tae question, that the petitions do lie upon the ta.,.e. that qtertion it was that his hon. friend the m, ir Droitwich (Sir J. Packington) :rose ; and he (• if apprehended that unless the Speaker should p.t..,c cell upms the Yon. member for Honiton, that hou could not be in possession of the house. (Cries of chair.") He respectfully submitted that the hon. for Houiton was not entitled to an audience, as mediate question had lot been put. The SPEAKER said he need not explain to baronet and to the house with reference to the Den • he had just raised with regard to the petitions, tat: cording to the rules of the house no debate cou:I or ~4) on the presentation of them. (Cheers.) Whets the I.m. baronet the mereier for Droitwich rose to speak es 5;.,- ject, he took care that the question with refers: - -e t, :he petition was put, before the hon. baronet apok There could not be a speech on that question, as the ru.es or ce house precluded speaking upon it. The only interrustim of the hon. member for Iloniton consisted of those apeals which he (the Speaker) had allowed to be made han. He considered that hon. member to be in posselsk a A the house. (Cheers.) It the house thought otherwise, h.- mist bow to their decision ; and if any hon. zacz.s.er thought the debate should not proceed further, it wonld be quite competent to bin to m:t; that the debate be now adjourned. Having explained rule of the house he must now pat the question that Mr. Mackenzie be now heard. Mr. A. B. 110 PE thought it very hard that the hot member for Moulton should wish to proceed at IL o'clock. Mr. DISRAELI hoped the house would agree that the hon. member should briog an his motion. The lion. snitc her did certainly Ray that he should nut intrsduce it arer half-past 10 or ll o'clock ; but they must all feel that wcm such appeals were made there should not be a severe it.:,r pretation of the words used is reply. When the hone returned from the division it was alter 11 o'clock ; but cot- sidering the attendance—Echo house was at this 1.:113 nsatly cull]—and that the question was not of such a caturc aa to require a very long deliberation—Oscar, Lear , —sc.J. even if it did involve the sitting as late u it did /9111,::11!+, it wu moat desirable that this question should be I. (Hear, hear.) He collected that it wets the opinion of ice house that the hon, member for Honiton should proceed. The question that Mr. Mackenzie be now heard woe .;.ea put and negatived, without a division. Mr. LOCKE then proceeled to introduce h.. , am He would not allude to the recent discussion any•- eition that h►d been arrived at with a view to gentlemen who had been .bunt on the occasion. should confess he had been absent ►imself from But he hoped to be permitted to state that whit think would be dented, that the evening on whic tion tame before the house wu that of Epsom rues— hear)—on which evening there was also • grand cie.c at which many hon. members were anxious 7:ef (lieu.) He might also add that the debate did not chow an hour, many hon. members being takes quite ' as also indeed was the country ; and therefore un circumstances he thought he was justitied • matter then forward fo'r reconsideri!ion. noble lord the member (or Bath (Lord doubtedly, in dealing with the question, el. rk..e _ _ moderation. He (Mr. Locke) tell the ooble titled to respect: because, however much he al. with him as to the rules and obsernnces Sabbath should be kept, there was liedoat , t ,t* of the noble lord's views, or of the moderatien w, :12 W3l en- I.:ttr 4t,..,11 .6:.h he had brought them forward. (liear, hear.) The member for Bath had relied much on the caster of petitions entrusted to him for presentation mi the question, and he (Mr. Luke) would Tie concede that, if the question were to be deci,'.e.t by the number of petitions, the preponderance would be greatly in favour of the noble lord, as his petitions were much more numerous and largely signed, and signed, he had ' no doubt, by most excellent and influential gentlemen. (liear, hear.) But when they recollected how easy it was to get up petitions and procure a large amber of signs tures—(hear, hearl—ho thought the house would not be acting wisely in deciding so important an issue oil so fictitious a test. (Harr, hear.) The most noisy and clamor ous petitioners were not always the wisest or the most chari table in putting a construction on the motives which induced others to oppose the views entertained by themselves. (lieu, hear.) lie would remind the noble lord how dangerous it was to put in mo tion the organised machinery . of the conventicle. (Haar, hear.) Because men's minds got influenced, sad when brought into collision they hurled denunciations against thole with whom they ditlered ; and, forgetting the precepts of their coninion Christianity, they did not hes::ate to darken the characters of those who la not subscribe to the same views as themselves. ( Boar, hear.) Now, the resolution which he intended submitting to the house was se follows : That, whilst this how acknowledisse wi:h avau. nution in the amount of timidity labour ettivted by rungementa in the Post-otnoo, A conoot but be .0114.0 public inconvenience which has arisen hoar the Lou: delivery or collection of letairs on Sundays,and address be therefore presented to her Majesty, praying be imutiously pleased to mow an Inquiry to be net:, amount of Sunday labour might not be reduced without putting an end to the collevtiou and delivery ,i 1 letter% days; and that, pending Allkt her elf: be pleased to give enters that theeollection and delivery of :cum, ae. ea Sundays shall be continued as heretofore. (Hear, hear.) In the nest place, then, he hopeil to be per mitted to say that he did not think her Majesty's piton meat had received that amount of credit for the OiettlJ6l which they had made in reducing post office labour to which inion they were fairly entitled. (Hear, hear.) In his op the benefit they had dons in the aggregate had not been placed sufficiently prominent before the public, who certainly should be made aware of the great teluetion in the amount of Sunday poet-office labour which her Ma jesty's ministers hail effected, u proved by the admir able report of Mr. Howland Fla (Hear, hotel It appeared by the Quarterly Review of the prestos month, that on the 7th January 40 money order offices had suspended _payment on Sundays . Throughout England and Wales, 450 provincial branch post.offices had been relieved, whilst at a later period, 234 additional pro vincial branch post-offices in Ireland were also relieved. (Hear, hear.) The Quarterly went on to state that - . the co mbined e ff ect had been to relieve, every Sunday , tt 9 persons from an average of 51 hours' butting." (leo. hear.) Now these reductions were in the act of being mule when the noble lord (the member for Bath) introduced ha measure, and when the house, forgetting these redac tions, stopped in with a view to atop . I ' ll postal communication throughout the country by stopping all Sunday labour in the post-o ffi ces. It might be difficult he was of to adduce mathematical proof of the emertion, yet opinion that postal communication had not been, n or would it 1) • stopped . (Hear, hear.) Then might be shifting Old shuffling of the burthen ; but no reduction in the *MP" amount of labour nocenzi to carry on the requited commit- nvent at the Kr,,it 33i C 00 10' I.l l ' to 11 0 De to Cl of 0 • r a 1 1 1 5 • 3 3 ure :he !;:ri n.« r.-,at :be J !ha