The Express. — London, England, 1850-06-12 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS 7 TcuDAT,..Jows 11. The beam sot at !n Vila. Lard 'LammLa sa: //esker. COURT OF CHANCERY (COUNTY FALATINIi LANCASTER BILL. O■ the .... as the Rat of CARLISLI this Dill west t h *imams. ugh COLONIES GOVERNMENT BILL. Oa themetiew of BM 013 T the ham west into com mittee on this bill. Lord MONTEAGLE end that in sublaittiag the abeam if Will he had given notice, he was shout to html below their lordships • matter of great impetuses to the Autralian colonies, and to the honest sad credit of then lordship' judgment. The gelation was whether . their lord ship. were pre/need to adopt the preempt' of • , Mile chamber, or whether they oold mart to the eM constitivional principle of • doable chamber, numinous to the constitution of this country. The noble earl stated last night that the people of New Beath Wales were in favour of their present enstienties of a angle chamber ; otherwise he had the opiates of the noble earl himself in favour of his propeitien. He weld easily prove the advantages of two ehemben is all ease", end that Ik. people of New South Wales preferred two chaseben of canna goverment. It was read that there were epeeist -name why the Marano Gamin should be exempted hom the geaml rule which tree:ailed Meeker'. There wit • wide esperfeece to reeler to em this nitien; they had the experience of our vast colonial peessesions, and although in some Miami ear colonies bad rinunemed with one chamber, whys they had nfileiently advanced in eapabilides they Ind feverishly adopted two. Oar colonies had always shows as attachment to the constitution of the mother country. The noble lord quoted Lord Broapane's book oa Colonial Policy," in proof of his tuition, and prone cod to say that this quaion of colonial constitution had been virtually set led in the de. bate no the coestitution of the Canaan in 1791, when Mr. Fri: stated that say second chamber in • colony, chosen in any mean. would be batter than now; see although Upper Canada had only 10,004 iamb:tants, Mr. Fox, Mr. Pitt, Mr. Burke, and their coatemponries, felt assured that, for the enential pap*, of pod government and mad legislation, a second chamber shou'd be costa Wished. The phi" be I then referred to the United States, to show that in so instance is the whole of that great cup.- risestwas there a government by a Mille chamber. Mr. Justice Stogy and Mr. Chancell‘r Kent. two most distia. pushed lawyers in Antenna. had b ith expreseed opinions in favour of two chambers, and the NMI!' refereed to the unhappy example of • single chamber in France Mr. Junin Btovy also mentioned that two of the states, Georgia sad Corollas. in which originally there bed bees one chamber. had been obliged to resort to the principle of two. The United States were, therefore, as much in favour of • dune chamber as the noble earl (Grey) hinteelf, sad the first witness he ettoold nil in favour of the principle wee the noble earl, who had been a dealer in colonial coestitutioes. First, there was the constitution for New Zealand, which contained a provision for a second chamber, and that was applied to a state of society certainly nut higher or so numerous se that of New Smith Wales at the present: tire. (Hear, hear.) In 1.17 the noble earl introdne n 1 a bill geeing a eoLstitution to Aug:relit, which involved the priselple of • double chamber :ad that was the deliberate opinion of the noble earl at that period. Now if Australia was fitted for two in 1!-17, did not the propels made since then is that calory, on which tle noble earl rrided himself, show the. it le-s now, in 1930. better fitted for two chambers en in 1,47 Hesr, hear.) He could not approve of the measures tan at the eine is resisting Use orders of the Colonial Secretary, to make that a convict colo ny but it was to that colony that the wage lord gave this better government of two cbaab n. With the example of the Cape before them WAS tun. ant roasts to doubt whether a sicele chamba would work well in our Australian Monies It was not wise to prophesy at any time : and to make an evil prophecy was sometimes the cause of bringing about the evil predicted; bat he meet say that he did lode with great sad unbounded alarm at the result. of • Mete chamber in the Australian colonies. The noble lord con clan led by moving an amendment tor tae adoption of • until" chamber emceed of a single one. Earl (SHIM said, that having trespased at such length on their lord-hips' attention on the previous night, he aid sot feel called on to fol:ow the noble lord through the various questions he hat touched on, particularly as the noble lord in the wb le eating of his spiech, and of Lis eleborate exami nation of the principle of two chambers, bad nu touched on the real argument which he (Earl Grey) had addressed to their lordships on the previous night. The noble lord had not shown how it was ?unlike to adopt his view and divide the legielature of New South Wales lace two bodies without dying in the nee of the recorded wishes of the colonists themselves. (Hen, hew.) As a minister of the crown he most certainly tour dee.ine to send out • completely different system of 1-":11 lion without its having been first considered and approved of by the olefins. He therefore hoped their lordships would Stipp et him In the principle of Lot disturbing that which was work:ag well in New South Wales, but of leaving it practically unlettered, unless, fir as the colonists Amu:ores ha I expressed a desire for alteration. Lord ABINGER observed that with the strong tendency to democracy already safeties in the colony, ha had no doubt that the power gives by this bill would greatly encourage it, to the dissouresement of the best interests in the colony. Lord LYITELTON sincerely hoped the house would adopt the simple words of his noble friend's amendment, leseir.a the details to he carried out by the colonists. Ears St. GERMANS opposed the amendment, oh. terrine that a iris Whey Ten through his no►le friend's lloateagle a speech, ter while be declared his object to be to give a secJad and eleilve chamber to the colonists. be said at the sew time that he yids:4 to make their iastitn• Mons identical with nun. Lord WODEROUSE feared that a run error was about to be remained. It their frdahipe bettered that there were radical dew:a in the eettati:utioa of Autralia—that they ewe about to loroake the tried pathos( Irgiolatioa, the ea perireoe of 000stittelettal tumnesseut, ear the I:wiener or the coaatitatios of Eorlead, and that they were about to give to the Auatrdiaa eoloaiee ireituloas +hilt were out NA to apply to the *mien at la- re, they would adopt the ammdates , propoettl by his aohle sit. ad Tie house divided— For the saeadistat Agaisat 22-2 Oa mantises to the gallery, ere foetid Lul GREY isoria, the ma:soils frau the 11111111111 et the words " .:this the districts at lac.tiats." _ The motion was adopted, and the cf sus, screed to. us clause 5, which re?slates Lie franchise, having been -end, Earl GREY said mere was a very general feeling is the colony in favour of a re inetios of the franchise. and that in framing this claw* he had f Ilnw, et the .sisting law, sorely lower:Di the amount of the franchise. Tn.clause am aimed te. - Oa Mame 6 hieing proposed, Ear: O&EY said that tnis chest •ppii•d only to the 'satsuma aomisee council; but s. their Lordships had now agreed to sodas* the froutchim in New S .nth as saw no moon why the franchise in Van Otemen's Land and Smith Australia should not be the some a that proposed for the other c The clause was postposei, in , :rier that the alteration skim be made. _ 77.,suis 7 sos agreed W. On clause O hemg proposed, L , rd MONTEiHLE otr%re•ti 'he ICtOrdiOß to this &toe se Amy %ere unit) e rate ail Ile expenses it wood haws • eaaatitution c Wetted upon it. He thought thi. unjust. Earl 011E1 said the principle ireovaiss4 by the claws wits as uktiest as* ettbeßritiabc3aatitsuoit, •ad he believed • smon4 owe. Lwd MONTEAGLE iatimoted that he woald not propose soy amendment, bat mill he thought it impolitic to fetter a aeloay, sad to Mum it reprewatative irovernment, be ams* it might be a►le to provide 9.4 I I 0001. • year, and fast 14,000/. _ A 'tor ui kw words fro. Earl Iri's +Miss, Eat Grey. end Lend Lytte.tos, tee thugs was wad ift, WO Welt those des b eollowsd,stto 16 iselrir. —On else*, 17,'" ibh sYlfroiffistata of soma linthted." AIM LYTTELTON in reference t) the minimum fixed fte 3rd pan of matedule C, for tb • maintenance of pabbe WorshiP in Van Dirmen's Lind, thought it would be better to :vivo the fusstioa of the amount of ;.ecianiary support to appropriated to this purpose to the vicinities themselves, who woe:d to all probebility provide what was woman, but if an amlunt was tined as ■ miniossm at waa to be fear‘d that that sem would be regardel as the maximum on , ler all eireumatanees. 1..r1 (iftEY reminded their loeishipe of the taxing powers of the other house; and wi•hint saying woe titer the suggestion, if elupted and iiirerted as an eetedrecnt, would be considered es a breach of the privi imp • of tha• house. he considered there was no necessity for opening the rigeetion, or to alter the bd. as it cood. The prixeiple of the bill wit to le ive ell existing interests rie diey txunrt thou; and with regard to religions establisit- Mente, it n he iiirlieult to pr .vide for ritirtair interests Nelms they , west the leruith Ins bill provided. Ba the incumbents, there we•• (hatches, gado r • meate, arid whir intereva +etch had grown •x, mid for the wsi Atomic" of vrtuth, actor ing to the grineinle of the metier,, provision must be undo. Tog that porno'e the arrangement proposal wee neceseuy ; sod he trusted their lordships w ,old ant litturb it (hear.) The elause proceeded oe the principle that the existing egranzvanti , ta wt-uld ; the gorernor conlo tineenione, reduce the stlarierx R e h a d g i ven notice of en amen.illlent, which he would now move —via. to substitce tbe word oditminnel••" kNi the word " alteration" in regard to judicial siderite. TA• amc ndasest es, Warted, tad the slum, al amended, ;nava. _ 01 up.. 18 and 19 w•r• 18me4 to. Th. 4•ll** op to 24 were postponed (as we understood). sad War Ai was weed 10. Lod LYTTELTON roe to oboe* the clown of wh.ett t.e had trine notice, "that ths governors of Vieoeia, Nee &oath Wales, Von Dienten's Liao, eel erth Australia irt optetl4l, with the advice ..! tit. sttelatioo so Keil to be .411fIliik4 la th- calory • U.I. Het. tve :I .4Ve to repeal a 3 or an; pa. , of the acne of 6 and 6 V.e..rie. and 9 and 19 Vteturta, for th e t0401.u.50 of UN sale of land oe oy orders in c ant t wed by rya Majesty in ydir.o•ce. of tout. ws or of thou, and to auk foro• - .r vrevielons foe th. on 4 airstarat of tba said waste WO, sad die aopropriatinte ul Ma 111•4111•411 arising there /reit. "• lle sail tta nia •rptooni .a g a v otte A tbe riot:did - of a timed astrona prioc lii the aeoeld leads semairted sultakes, sad he believed South Australia the present pereetisally the voles of lead had the power of dentate - to doubt but that they w although they might redoes l i t sa e a lto alter any of the object to the Wage being Pima 111, it was only a epodes o torus would be able to deg. Bart ORRY,' - te 'Moir lhoolffeeigi enid-amer e. agreed to It world give the Meet whist the hum cold indict on the pesetawb of the Astelealha WPM. All the Pete landa wise halt kpher—Mideoli o la Ina for the of this Gusto ; and lbe belleied If Pfeil wore eedUSS the lauds Of the edkaylareestd be brought op by speasheru, who would Mobs them with the view of seddig lesoadmr • high pries of them. He thought, for them reeseas. that the pima eriaisain pie el It per ails week not be depleted from. A sonsidustele pities of the asenry Maid by the ale et Lad was retuned to the unless In the imaged' beitilles given fee essigratiee, is w making of bridges, o. *e ; and it was meek MOW tidies& gaped MM he provided for then by WON tow is the eadaile. was told that the exiles siMMAuf had sake segoaidnet the feeling of the Waal. Tete he iota ; there was a great divide* of oentiniesitea lb. maid% but is South Australia the hake( was pie fame of it, sad he did not belleurthativei coadiEdif New Routh Wales was at puma to the mileldelli pries of lt. per ewe, although seme"=".dasei they pout a resolution ageism it. A petition had Pea rooster ed frees at• holder, of crown lands ender the present system in Audi of the regulations which toe some years had been enforesi ' Lord MON TEAGLE unrested their lovelies to set ash the prime* that had hitherto guided them by OW paellag the amendment. The eciessittee then divided. For the amendment LordAtt It 2B-10 Ii a I s )ESDALE then moved teat the chairmaa report lIVOIMPN. Lard OREY opposed the motion. Their lordships mime Poised, and justly. that they were hurried into discussions at lie latter end of the neap ; hut could it be otherwise, if gee every case of mere amusement, however trifling, the basins, of that house was to give way—one day for • race here, Pother for • roes there—ose day for a greet dicer in the City, sad another for • great dinner somewhere else ? Me *vainly hoped that is attempt to defeat this bill by I delay would not succeed. He tad seen • desire to protract proceedings, and be thought they c uolit logo on ea far as they could, (Incensing the clauses u the arose. Last year , on is. bill, their lordships did not object to sit till bye o 'clock in the morning. After a few words ftem Led Moisture', Lord Itedesdale, the Marquis of Lansdowne, and Lord Abinger, The amendment was withdrawn. The Bishop of OXFORD then rue to move the insertion of a clause. He should have done so with more diffidence had it not been for the friendly tone last night held by her Majesty's government as to some proposition to meet the evil. He did not mean for • moment to say that her Majesty's government committed themselves in the moot tadireet way to this particular clause, but the tone gest rally in which the noble earl expressed himself, and the meaner in which the noble marquis Painted to the ex pressen was, that they wished to remove every thing which tended to restrain the exercise of church oiscipline in the colonies. The obje oof tl:e claw he captained last night. The present position of the church of England in the colo nies was this—that all the laws and rules which were in luxe affecting the church by the statute law ot England at the time those colonies were founded, became biuding on those colonies, and, therefore, the canon law, for instance, which was binding on the lergy, and the particular re strain's which had at various times been placed on the clergy of the church of England, were binding on thou colonies. Now it was seen when bishops were appointed to the colonise, that they should be provided with some machinery by which those things which in England were easily carried out should he curled out there : and ac e irdingly, powers were given to the bishop, by • patent to enable them to hear and examine witnesses. But on the first time that the powers so conveyed were put to the proof, they were disputed. The matter was referred to the highest law authorities of this country, and is was decided that her Majesty had no authority to grant those powers. The posi tion, then, in which the church of England stood in the Australian colonies was this,—ir was wholly unable to make any rules for its own internal management. It was impossible to make any rale which should be binning even on those who gave their consent to it, amid the party who had agreed to the rule, if he fancied that he suffored from it, might apply to a court of law, and so to qui rion, and even to puuiso those with whom he had agreed before to ley down rules. The right rev. bishop then read several extracts from a paper written by the chaplain of the Bishop ot Tirmania, in which he said he had seen many tenons inconveniences arising nom the want of du regulations in the church of Eoglaad in the colonies, and as the government was now going to give the colonies the initiative in proposing their own civic institutions for the sanction of the crown, it seemed nuns able to expect that the same freedom of action wonld be given them in their ecclesiastical affairs. The evil was that the elsewhere of the church of England in the co• lonies were subject to restrictions which no other party of eeligionists were subject tie. He had himself conversed with an intelligent gentleman who resided in that country ( Van Diemen's Land), who said that the statue of the clergy of the church of Bulged was injured, because it was known that they held their office oe the simple ipso dizot of the bishop, and that they did not stand on an ascertained foot ing, bat were left to an irresponeible authority. in the pro vince of Canterbury, in New Zealand, it was expressly pro vided that the bishops and clergy should be subject to the metropolitan se* of Canterbury, as to any metropolitan bee at home. They put them under the Banta restraints a, in this country, hat did not give them the same power—the power of taking evidence, the power of legal process. Therefore, they gave them enough of their cycle- elastics! novelettes. to restrain them, but not enough I to be of service in effecting the object intended. This clause was pure, permissive, and gave n s power to the established church which the R man catholic. and the presbyterians did not eojoy. It merely put them al. on • per, and simply drew up such rules toe the conduct of the members of the established churn as would counteract the anomalous connexion with the church at home, and which gave to the members of it in the colonies wither role nor freedom. What he 'eked their lordships to do wis to set the colsnite free, no: frogs local legislatisn, but from imperial legislation He hoped, for the sake of the colonies and the church, that their lordship would agree to the clause of which he cow =avid the insertion. \T• Earl (PREY wee le: from denying that there was a crier. ones to be remedied as regarded the church But the sub ject WAS one of such difficulty that it would be impossible to deal with it by any such single clause as was now proposed. It the clause was confined sisepls to the restraining words, he should not so strongly object to it. But it recited doubts whether such restraints were ajiplicable to our colonies, and legalised and pave authority to certain proceed ings. which amounted to nothing mere nor less than the creating of • legislative authority for the church of England which that church did not possess in this c',un. try. He thought it was most essential that they should avoid clashing with the colonial interests, and Hest what they di-should bed an imperial nature. If they introduced a special provision into this bill it might be supposed that it was intended to overrule this new lezialature. Ile therefore trusted that the right rev. prelate would not put the bons' to the necessity of dividing. The Bishop of SALISBURY czpressed himself in favour of the chose, but observed that if the noble earl would go a little further and pledge himself that the government would take the question in nand as a thing properly belong ing to their functions, and endeavour to remedy the &duskier' grievance, then would he add his voice to that of the noble earl in suggesting that it would be most desirable n it to go to a division now, but to reserve themselves until the whole question came sepsrately before them. The Bishop of LIMERICK opposed the clause because it would place them in a most anomalous position. The Marl'! HiRROVir BY r.neeived that the claim was rather a declaration . opir ine than one f w leci,lating upon. Tile Earl of CHICHESTER, who was almost wholly ins aud , ble in the gallery, admitted the uncertainty of the law as it at present stood, end hop-d something would be done I to remedy it; but he doubted wheels. r the clause proposed I by the right rev. prelate would produce the desired effect. 1 He suggested that there should be • revision of the entire state of the law in the colonies, so fur as the church was concerned. Tne Bishop of DOWN and CON NOR was anderstoxt to oppose the slau•e. Lord REDESDALE spoke in favour of the clause, but susausttd to the tyin rev : prelate 'sue to r, under ell the M bad wet bitter withdraw it: Lod LYT KELTON thought the subjea oar which should be dealt with by the government, and walled to kauw whe ther t • noble earl would endsrteke to make some inquiry Into the matter. Earl GREY was und.rstoxl to admit that the subject woe 0..- demanding stuintioa, and without uadertskinu to Rive may sJerific answer so to course he might on inquiry t ink it summary to puma, ha should be happy to apply a remedy if poesibl.. . . . . Thelingip of (ALFORD, Morn withdraw:ng his motion, wined to know whether the government would make in. fumy with a view to devise a remedy during the prarnt s• inn. The Marquis el LANSDOWNE acknowledged that a g.altical grievance tanned, hut it was not to be expected unit ministers were preps,. d et 24 hours' notiee to state definitely what c• 1 1 ,11 they wnold pursue in a matter lull of ddileulty His noble friend (Earl (ire)) bad gone as far as he 0.a1.1 go in promising that the subject should be inquired into, std he would add that that inquiry ehould putcted without any uni.ecessery delay. (fle►t, hear.) POWIS thought t►e church had a roght to call Gs Ittmtrnmeat to ri.rwits a trice ace which t:or estistilished etiuree Icy under h. the w...ch whir religious Audi.. did not staffer. • The 'bishop el UXEOHD —lf tbe nrs!.le iarl would un iquat t to introduce a daslareios) bol o that tht disabling Sc.. which bound me erase', in England not sztend t , • Mom colonies, he w eitaaraw bis amendment. F. od 0 KRY 'ha an i qw.try w..uld ho. instituted. Tne llMOsop ol OXFCHID • .1.1, this: uo the undemanding .hat eke provonions, t would ina•irut. ah WHIP di.te inquiry, w but pr, se hip esmilauit...re•erising to himself the rnlauf twinning mp a likod el.a•e tea the report. meudas. i.e..% withdraw.. The bore then eisitroyd, It Wag arraard that tbv m rung larva of th. hitlabould be takia os Friday. I new Igrosuiya Wen aajoaturt at a law mastitis to oat u'cavek. THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY HOUSE OF ONS.— . • oAv, finis a_ , ;ben al I 1 1 1 ' PITT Ns P _1 ._ I , .. 7 „„i A. —Br FEB • , " Is Sonia . ..TANCR ; bed •4. ler a repeal of Artown: furs P. "a** ke NUN WILLIAM, Bow a phase inawall, la favour elf. tfie oblate ir-krrearrairn-lame-4174iir Eh °RIM- Mbriont• 01 lidattlifiaPtj A bff. 0111101INB, !moat ; for sherallese talus be. • . Mazatioana Bat..—By BB O. GARY, from lahabituis of the se tropolh, la Metre Of BMW: • POPULATION OF IRILAND. Sir W. BO %MELVILLE berieght la the ;bill whisk he had obtaised leave to tatradatte ea ibil presidia( day, far whims tlts men la Inland. The NU nes andlnad tto In ran • ant tin., sad ordered to be read a weed due es Friday. , NATIONAL OALLENT. 81, 0. OUT (ia the abloom of Lord J. Naieell) moved the re-eppeiahaeat of the West Math**, to esarider the preerat seessametiotioa afforded bi the Nodose' Galbra7, sad the hest modest - I pus preouring augbilMig be tint works of art glean to the nation, oe purdemed by paella mentuy mats —Lnd John Ruses 1 , 81, Robert Peel, Mr. Hese, Lord Seymour, Mr. Goultatru, Mr. Baring Kr. Sidney Herbert, Sir Besjamin Hall, Marquis of Cinch). Mr. Tanen, Mr. Walley, Mr. Diereell, Mr. yentas Smith, Mr. Backe., sad CoL itawden.—Agreed to. METROPOLITAN INTBIAMBNTS BILL. The boom then west into sommittm on We bill. Mr. BERNAL, the chairman, sold thy were at the 30th elmase, is +Wet he understood the government had some emendatente to Windom. Bit G. OBEY said be proposed to 'strode., certain amendments in this CAWS (lb. abase giving compensation to clergymen), which he conceived would meet the objections that had been raised against it. It bad been decided, wises the house was last fa corn mitt.., that the compensation should not be limited to elietin incumbents; hat the amount of that compensation, and the distribution of it, were still open to consideration. The house teemed generally to assent to the principle of giv ing a just and fair compensation to existing incumbents. (Hesz, hear.) With regard to future incumbents, it had bean thought necessary that some payment should be sou tinned to them, with a view to obviate the deficiency of in come which would be caused in many pariah's were these fees withdraws. In many perishes these fees formed a considerable pertioci of the income of the incumbent, earl ' daily of that class of the clergy for whom great sympathy had alwaja bees expressed in that hones, the working clergy. The average payment on each interment had been fixed at Ga. Yd., whicti would be below the amend average at pre ent received, and would therefore operate with some degree of injustice in some ewes. He had received communications from several clergymen, stating that they were in the receipt of fees of a much larger amount; while these re ceived in the mere p ipulous parishes were considerably less. Ti. edict of the amendment which he now proposed was this, he would leave the gross amount of compensation un touched ; he still proposed that 6s. '24. should be the fee payable on each i-iterment, for bodies removsel from any of the metropolitan parishi s; but, instead of its being paid in the first instance to the clergyman of the parish whence the body mks brought, the fees would be carried to a separate account, and that account would lie charged, in the first in stance, with the payment of salaries to the chsplaine, then the incumbents would receive out of it a compensation calcu lated on their average receipts from burial fees for the five years next before the passing of this act. Therefore, 90 far from any of the clergy receiving more than they h.d Litherto received, the amount would be regulate) by their past receipts; and the board would be e ~bled, with the consent of the treasury, to award to locum. bents who had been receiving • higher amount a sum ellen toted on the of their last flee years' receipts. That would be s rietly in accordance with the principle on which compensation noe generally awarded, and he believed it would remove one great objection on tbs part of the clergy to a provision which certainly would have operated with ic justice. With regard to future incumbents, he thought it we.uld be necessary to continue the payments ; at the same time fall power would be given to reduce the amount on the death of an incumbent, should circumstances be found to justify a reduction. If this proposal were carried into effect, it was probable the, with the increasing pspfilation in the manufacturing district.,' hers would ultimately be a surplus to divide out of the fund arising from the payment of those fes Va,iius propositions had been made for the disp nal of that surplus ; but he would not then enter into it. He would move the insertion of witch in accordance with the alteration he had rated at the end of line 5. Sir Et HALL was glad of the alteration which he thought would do away with much of the objection to the clause u it stood. ♦iter IMO conversatien, the clause, as amended, was agreed to. Toe aea• clause was struck out. On the 32nd clause, which provides for compensation to the clerty. Sir B. lIALL was proceeding to detail some cues of gross taiga...no/act, which occurred in connexion with the burial of the dead in St. Odes-la. the-Fields, when Mr. WAKLEY, who we. sitting but a few yards from the hon. geatteman, cried out, Speak out ;we don't hear a word of what you say." (Laughter.) Sir B. OA LL said he was @peeking as loudly as he contd. (Laughter.) Ile was in the habit of addressing public meet ings at which thousands of persons attended, and he could make himself rrety well heard; and the fact of the bon. member for Finabury complaining that he could not hear bin.. so short a distance, showed that it was heces.ary to appoint a committee to see what could be done with the house. (lice,, hear.) Ile was ahout to state that the clergy bad made • traffic of Lund-grounds, and that they were cow going to give compensation to the persons who had been se trafficking. (fleas, hear.) He would take the case of St. Oiles's-in the-Fields as as instance. What had been the cendect of the clerics man there—a clergyman too who was very well off, foe he had 1,0001. ayear as °anon of St. Pent's, in addition to 9571. as rector of St. Giles'. 1 It came Oct heron an inquiry which was instituted only In N dr. last that it was the practice there to make a feint of covering the coffin whilst the mourners were present, but as soon as they were gore the body mad coffin were taken up • the head of the declassed was severed from his body, and east into a bole, in order that putrefaction might speedily set in It was his intention to move a clause to meet sun horrible I cases. S.r G. GREY did not know whether the bon. gebtleman was mi..ntorined as to his facts, hut he felt assured that he was misinformed as to the Rev. Dr. Tyler's having any con. auto's with them. (Hear, hear.) Alter soma observations from Mr. Got:hetax, which did not reach us, Sir B. HALL *ail that when an inquiry wu ordered by the Board of Health, Dr. Tyler objected to the press being admitted, and to have any report of the evideace appear in the newspapers. Mr. WAKLEY said that all that bad been owed by his hon. friend the member for Haryleboae was true, but he believed the 8d.,. Dr. Tyler was not aware of what was going on till the inquiry took place, for the funeral service was performed by the rev. sexton. (Laughter.) He would ask the noble lord whether he was not aware of the facts, u • member of the Board of Health. Lord ASHLEY woe unthrstood to say that he had no knowledge whatever of the facts, beyond the cirounntance that the bodies were removed to a family vault. Mr. BRIGHT, as a dissenter, had not so much right to complain, but he could not understand how churchmen could tolerate such a system in their church. (Hear. bear.) A .yetem like that only made him wish that every church. man should carry a parson on his back till the last day of his lite. (" Hear, bear," and laughter.) Oa clause 33, which provides compensation for parish clerks and sextons, Air B. HALL gave notice th►t, on the brirging up of the report, he would move that no compen►ation be given them. In reply to en obserration made by Lord MULL; which did not reach the gall. ry, Sir B. HALL said the abominations practised in some of the mistespodtan graveyards were truly revolting. It was notorious that i. St. Pectins graveyard e.ffins were de posited within nine inches of the 'mesa. It also appeared by the evidence of a woman residing in the locslity, who had been examined before the committee, that on Friday the 19th of November, whilst looking through a back eiadow she NM two men working in the graeelara--ene engaged in ',dis severing a human body, and the other in making a hole in the ground in which to deposit the mutilated remains, which were finally huddl. d on a wheelbarrow and thrown into the hole. The witness also rated that she had no doubt the boxy was one interred some five we. ks ureviously. Colonel THOMPSON wished to know how much more ground an untautilated body would require fur interment than a mutilab d one ? (Laughter.) Ile believed the hon. baronet ha I allowed his credulity to be imposed upon. The clause w e then agreed to, as also were the inter ' veninirelsuseis up to 63. On Chinn 53, Lord D stated his determination to oppose the clause, as being moat objectionable area involving the aholl don of a constitutional principle —the principle of self governmi nt. (Hear, beer.) To* Ciliar halle power to the commissionen to levy a rate of Id. in the pound on the In habitants of the metropolis ; and he celled on the committee to neat that, as being unjust and oppressive, and also because they had the authonty of 11.. 'nowh ere o f the hi I for saying it was unnecessary. ( Hear , bear) The ob. leetions to the clause were so r hvi,,us that very an must oe struck with them; and he, therefore, considered the committee would not be doing its dun if it did not native , T.ter to reject tit., cl iuse. So strongly did he (Lord D. Stuarl) feel on the matter, that he felt "iound to take the I sense of the coalmines on it. (Hear, bear.) After a few w.irds from Sir. B liA LL erd Mr. Du:woman Mr. STANFORD said he should moot that the rats instead of Id. si•ould not sacred one balipenoy in the pound. After some converse , ion Mr. STANFORD watircw his amendment Tne house thin divided on Sir II HALL', proviso, wi en there appeared, FOT the pv,viso, 96 Against it Lord I) STUART nosed the omission of the cause. Mr. WAKLEY said the noble lord, the member fur Bath, lied. 'dill .bat hi, believed the rat, would not be umessary ; soil the! rat, meat must have bees made after an ClUtline ti to of the statietics of the (wee. He (Mr. Wakley) would stagger that the clause should be postponed until neat see of, nt least, for a few days. Mr. 8 ClitsW1 , 0111) supp.rted the amendment. Tn.• t nose them divided, when there appeared. For the lease 9:l Against it is ia.« r.. itTrouTtir ...w.••• mu ••••••• gm 4.• mammy, tottwarme• trilTato7.l7 X 11= immix. 4 i 1 I • . s i Oa tba =atlas WES. WZlA44l4•4•Nallint Mune weft cgisrimil Onals et : 41 MbdoilNie --Lj ' lll-13‘. ti o V et , whin. addreard Is thellt7l4 7 = mi rState Z i t gem Euphoria t lel. Tieweemeld pesumul Ws Lett Ihs. l amp Ow, by • dlghtalka hem th i rathrille of Mho* ssethicerre al wediell= awl ad Inanet s dala the llth day at Apill. ay amp Grey, by a depekillewheaa t Plasbrieti=tl Sp liall eiztt . lt Am =s i rlor=76.. gi l l ift _ ot a l It = by a asposlas : ti t owes Orm . as tbutsialy Se caTirat may, lesit, esd by W. helm Ormee.gbileara.- 4th. no bar Parana it Opp Orsy by Ihe esealb et Ss Natioaal Instils's...ad bauble ads the lath thy at Kay. MO. EIIPLOYMUIT OF PSNSIONERS AT HUDSON'S BAY. Mr. F. MAULS, le owns to Mr. Cuisine, said that pesolwas to 1846 the Hudson's Bay territory was wi:hout the poodosticus of say British Woe. Is tionsequines of • die- Mobilise la that year, it was found asseasary to despatch a siomoidOrahle somber of troops from Caaada • they were kept there two years, but the politica was so h oisted that it was determined to provide for the protection of those territories is mime other way. It was resolved to send out • body of ponsonen, under the tommaat of as officer ' who were to enjoy their pervious , and restive frees the Hodson's Bay Company certain advantages in lodging and land, in Mora for their services, which won available in the same way 81 hero. They were r. quirod to go oat for drill 12daye in the year, and be at all times ready to act when called en for the preservation of the pews. They were originally 66 in number; 20 others would nll in the course of a few days. He we. not aware that they had mosived aoy orders to m istreat at all in the affairs of the lindsoit's Bay Company. They were at the diabetics of their own officers, and not at that of the dm pony. Mr. HUME asked under what particular orders the officer at their head waist:sing. Mr. F. MAULS said be had notified& order to interfere in any way with the civil government. His orders were to preserve the public peace, and to prevent the isterh•renco of those who were not entitled to do so. Mr. CHRISTIE asked it them pensioners were paid by this country. Mr. F. MAIILE said they received their pensions, which were for past services. The rest of the pay which they re ceived was derived from the Hudson's Bay Company. The officer at their head was paid by the hung g..vernment. COPYHOLD ENFRANCHISEMENT. Mr. MULLINGS stated, in answer to a question from Mr. Aylionby, that a bill bad been put into his hands en this sub jeer, drawn up, as ns understood, by I r M. Ridley ; ►et be had not read it; and it was not his intention to irtro!uee such a bill this Xl',slolll. oosapariersa between ens , and had spoken as it they en the sans ;Mad*. To Eralseqww) It appeared that &Wee s►ould be levied were object with regard to the was to wake this coaatry here aad to other pasts of was demanded until attention of the how. Be admitted that it ..d i , any question to be brought before the griwueal.-" more pregnant with future results both to tp e a: civilisation of the world • • and it wee and with these views that the But India Coa l "" =eat of government in carnelian a' th tape which, under any other c . Madly be prudent. The noble lord b ad ref ti r -- I I ,: independent of that which he beton the notice of the house h had cursil the cultivation of cotton, but he tho u ught n o ble sub' • Irks' discretion in not Rene at fi'; ) ,' • subject, grate, in the course of nett week, the;, — ,, - „' , a debate on that matter. It was sixty West ladies supplied, not only this country but ce the article pi Europe ticle wu with lodigointrod . It was about fp-4 sinuced into the h ut hi ' they had superseded th e cu l t i vat i on of the 4t i elt 7 part of the world, lad oar Indian empire suppli e d th is country, but emcee the wh o l e of Europa. lord had known lately what had been uore, th e the Bast Indi a Company had exhibited, arid aryl Oven by the government, he would not have th little o their exertions. It was tree that the I when this subject was brought forwarl were se ' as to the best mode by which the experim. should be made. The subject of railway tom had been since 1837 under the consideretwe of authorities. The noble lord bad recital', different propositions which were before the o r but his speech would lead to the inference that a bad been given to the two pr esident:in of B e i i bay, and on coming to their d ec i s i on there was e ngal q. lion of any prior claim. Ile trusted that he neen upon the house the fairness and jutiee of th e Company and the government in ennsidericp ties. Toe noble lord had referred to the (iv maw which the East India Company awed to give to the railways i a jj, Bombay the guarantee to which he luied, and he had compared the ap the two lines. In making the line from Caleiet it was necessary to begin semewhrre ; they a, a section before they made the whole. Tne mistaken if he thought that they were makin 4 Lion of a line of railway from Calcutta to the tr.r. provinces, with a view of stopping at that pn h noble lord was more mistaken if he though: h. and the East Indies were prepared to take the n line of railway, as any evidence whether ewer in India or not. As to Bombay, auctioned was no more intended to De Whin r. the Brit section of the line, which woe alera. Bengal. Re did sot wish to follow the various calculations uto the traffic. inc • said that they might depend on the tr.tfic o. n but this point was one on which there hal greater mistakes than in this country. 1 abown themselves more prone to enter into c.ze• suits than formerly, and therefore it was not r to the conclusion that they might depend en•. , chandise and not on passengers. II.• of the motion to be to induce the governur it- • same coi.sider;dion to the goverment h.d extended to the presidencies of 1: Els. bay. A report had lately appeared in of this country, which was tutalty un that some great impediment had l A . the arrival of the ei.gincers in If idea of the railway had !Ain given up entirely. There was r. truth in that. On the contr.r. railways in Bengal were going satisfaction of the East India Comp'. y prospects were better than at ahy • therefore he thought it right to clatr.. might be prejudicial to tneir ie er already despatched a letter to the roe., quirieg them to furnish every fa:hify n fur the railroad, and he believed no !al. the receipt of each information, n es. lines to which the noble lord had read . sossumpleon . . 0 - n - tie othe; hind . , 'texas duties ought to be levied at es sally a period irpossible, to steer to relieve the nmaufactuer at odes Prow the upeteision of the luau °Meter. The s_pirit distiller en- Emsed dis advantage over the meitater. The charge was es 'malt when it was manufactured, six meaty morally allowed for the payment of the duty and semulty taken for prams. The spirit distiller had am is. SASS reedit, sad was not called upon to pay when the =sold ndateally be chargeable. The maltster poll six menehe, the distiller light not pay for six yews. Be.. alatimis would fled that, by the augurs passed he 184$, be had meted a large export trade in spirits. The noble lord would have than suppose that the Scots). and Irish trade had been overwhelmed by the in troduction of colonial rum. Now, what were the facts ? The assumption of ham-made spirits had Wereesed In these countries to a remarkable extent. Is 1847 the consumption of rum in Scotland was 382,000 gallons ; is 1849, 260,000 gallons. In Ireland the consumption of rein in 1849 excluded the consumption in 1847 he only 6,000 gal lons. The consumption of British spirits in England wee, in 1847, 8,409.000 gallons ; in 1849, 9,063,000 'Slone ; a Seel. Sad, in 1847.8,193,000 gallons ; is 1849, 6,936,000 gallons; is Ireland in 1847. 6.037,009 gallons; in 1849, 6 . 9 7 5 0 0 gellose. In Ireland there was, in 1849, an increase in the nethinmption of home-made spirits, as compared with the Tian*, consumed in 1847, amounting to about 960,000 gallons. That skewed pretty clearly that no groat WWI, had been inflicted on the Irish distiller. by the introduetion of colonial spirits. Bat the export trade had, he repeated, beat created by the mums paned in 1848. In 1847 there was exported from Englend not a single gallon of spirits ; in 1849, 73,000 gallons were exported. From Scotland there were exported in 1847, 68,6114 nektons ; is 1849, 206,000 mafioso. From Ireland there were exported la 1847, 6,439 gallons ; in 1849, 87,000 gallons. The increase Wag tenfold. Yet the noble Lrd said the export trade of 'Mead had been ruined. Lord NAAS begged the right hon. gentleman's pardon. He had said that the export trade was ruined ; what be had said was, that it had been considerably impeded by Hs existing restrictions. (Hear, hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER continued— Eseeland and Ireland had benefited to a great extent by the peembeloa to warehouse their spine in England; the two ebtalthe having warehoused here 1,500,000 gallons in the coarse of the lest year. He hoped the house would reject the motion as involving injustice to the English distiller, whil e if the duties were fairly levied, his competitor in Scotland and in Ireland would not be benefited by the change. If, for the sake of the revenue, he levied the duty at the worm's end in England, he might be compelled to do the Nall la Scotland and Ireland. The house then Divided, and there appeared, Fur the motion Against it The announcement of the result elicited loud cheers. The house then went into a committee of the whale house, for the purpose of considering resolutions ; Mr. E. B. Roes IS in the char. Mr. F. MACKENZIE moved the following resolution : " That the duties payable on British spirits, when talon out of warehouse for home consumption, shall be charged, and the quantities ascertained by the measure and strength of the same actually delivered, save end except that when such spirits are not in a warehouse of special security, no greater abatement on account of deficiency is quantity and strength, as ascertained at the time wh, n the said spirits are warehoused shall be male than after the seversl rates following; that is to say, for every 100 gall .na hydro meter proof, for any time net exceeding two months, two gallons; for any time exceeding two months, and not ex c, cding six months, three gallone; for any time exceeding six months, and not exceeding twelve months. four giilloca ; and fur every additional six months, one gallon." Toe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he would not Row object to the adgption of the resolutions ; hut at the elms) time he would not pledge himself or any- 1 body els as to the course that might oe take when the bill to which the hon. 'swabs referred should come before the ' I house. Mr. AOLIONBY mid that :in that government has/ dealt most way communication to India, and :. exteuled to the Madras presidency. Sir E. COLEBROUKE said it th be thankful for the aoention w :, to their interests. lie had t,. and history of recent attrinp.. ways into India, and had la. Jar hension that this limited hue to e• vince of Bengal was to be underr ,o 1 which the success and value of rest, but he now understood Mr tn.. videred as the commencement of a to. ject. There was another Znicti.; re • r viz , that this line was ti tiriniore : cutia and 'Mai. The line wuul I tut, the way a hilly country of airy :1•::• scarcely had one tingle great towr. aides is length, and would cu:y han mem:meta of a more iraprau: ani commercial cltues genera is He thought that the thank. of t noble lord for having elicited on this great question. Resolutinns agreed to. Mr. FORBES MiKENZIE thee moved another resolu tion, to the effect that when British spirits were takes out of the warehouse for ship stores or for exportation to foreign p arts, no duty shoul•1 be made payable except on such spirits as may be warehoused as special security. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he would agree to the resolution ea the same terms. Revolution agreed to. The house then resumed. RAILWAY COMMUNICATION IN INDIA. Lord JOCELYN moved for any papers not already laid before parliament referring to the general question of rail way communication in ledia together with copies of any correspondence which may have taken place between the home authorities and the Madras government in reference to the proposed railway between Madre, end Arcot," anti in doing so he hoped that the house would bear with Lim for a few moments while he braught forward a question which was of vast importance to the people of India, and in wnleh the people of this country also took a greet interest. Alretely they had had inquiries into the state of in. banal communication in India, and he thought that the question which he now brought before them was one of the most important features in the inquiry. He begged to say that, in bringing forward tre question which formed the subject of his motion, he did not do so in any hostile spirit to his right hon. friend, the S ow tan of the board of Control, who, he believed, wee as anxious as any body to forward the prosperity and improve ment of the people of lam. This was a most important question as far as the productions of the soil of India were concerned ; and thet portion of the community in this and that country who wereconcerned in the growth and martufac• ture of cotton were deeply interested in it. It was of much imp 'ream to those what attention was entirely turned to those countries, from which they hoped to hay: an increased supply of that article, to gratify the demand in this country. It also interested those who wished that the consumption in this country should be met by the produce of tree instead of rlave labour. In feet, the mercantile and philanthropic portion of the community in this c minty looked upon the question as one of great importance ; to the latter it would or so because they held the increase of the productions of India to be one of the greatest blows that could be in If cud on slavery in the western world. in the increase of the productions of the s ail in Mindanao they looked for that blow, much more than the most binding treaty that they could enter into with soy other country tor tee suppression of slavery. In that country, how- i ever, where they found the people as willing to work and as industrious as their own, they also discovered the manutectures of India diminishe d and almost dntroyed. India war in termer times famous fur its cottons and its shawls, which were of great veins and were much sought after. Tea celebrity, however, had almost erased. Tney all knew that there were vast districts in India which were capable of producing any extent of the raw material of en ten, of sugar, and of indigo. The mineral wealth of that country was und, veloped. They knew also that the labour • a India was adequate, that the population was abundant, that the people were peaceful, and could afford the cheapest I labour in the world. Why then, with thee• natural abilities, I ha I not the productions of India kept peer with those of other countries 1 There were unfortunately many reasons I (or it, amongst which could be adduced those wan, which though lust and righteous, because they were entered into to repel aggression, were ot great injury to the country There was also a great want of personal supervision o f the state of India : and, lastly, there was the want of a sufficient means of internal c •mmunication. The hon. member for Manchester had given notice of a motion on the subject, end he thought that when it should come before the house there would be a more fitting opportunity for bum (lord Jocelyn) to enter into the general question ; he would now, there f are, merely confine himself to the motion which he had on a he paper, w. ;h crepe et to the internal communication in India. Tnat there was such a want, he thought, amid hardy be de nied. In the )ear 1817, a committee was sppoeited to inquire into the matter, and on it weremereaeLl • gentlemen and gentlemen connected with manuemtures. Other gene. - men on it were connected with the service in India and the Eat India Company. The evidence given by every witness examined before it went to show that there was a want of seal& •t means of internal communication, and to prove that it was one of the principal obstael • to trade in colon which it was within the province of the government to relill•efe. The committee, in their report, seated that the sahjec:s demanded the earliest attention of the government of India, and urged the necessity of terming roil ways through the centre of the country Yesterday he sad received a letter oa the subject from Colonel Simms, a very efficient officer in the regimes. deportment in India. Teat gentleman was, in the year BA appointed to conduct a great line of communication through the presidency of modiste which was now won, and In his later he stated the; Imes now wanted a ready end safe mode of internal communication, a mo.lificatien and reduction of the land tax, aid the introduction of capita'. His ont Jocelyn's) ANNEXATION OF SAT I view in bringing forward this motion was to give big right Mr. O. THOMPSON mov.el tar cep.. hon. friend the Secretary of the Board of Coutrol the f opportunity aerating the views of the b art as to the gene- epee between the government o ral question of railway communication in India, e nd to wive cetausissiouer d at $.l tars, and eaw. the government ot ledia. • B me. ,r their opinien as to the lines to which grants hid h en mode, Bo chay an oe . ation of Sahara eu i the wheeenwee e. and to state what their expectations from teem were. It together web any .locumrnts U,„ i.:„ was for them to consider how far the, wait carte Out the _ to eke u•Pletwqr geverontent. proposed lines of communication, and whether they would , VailiC O. the property belotiging t • tao • .: give their sanction to the companies which lie proposed to the me of the &mire of his lee ••, undertake these lines. The noble Ire then showed A arts the amount of Melltle trona all emu. • that on a short line in India the goods' wadi , hail icereseed Sattare, since its administration by tee Fe in a very short time from 30,000 tons a year 300,000 tong. p i Iwo!. He had placed the question before the house very • . Madequetely, taut he believed it was a question of vest im- the k e e t e Z pd w iet . sh i f o c g ala e rt h e e rs h res r, P ' y 'm anbd e lt h e r portance, and that those who fait wirn him that we had late higher . eeneet, Sing, . h it duties to perform in bees, w o uld souse its trapor ann. renew °enemies agent at Brew, W e hod • population of nearly tuba million, in belts, whose and the them , , e _ ei ee„ig ace (Le e s , lew s nappinew ant prorpetey depended on our perforating our duties. Tire time was come, when 1•e-king en the remains aeal roide b. u r a % l" bet 9. w l L: e p. P 7 g T e i n t , i n . t left behind them, of these great governors who had at own directors of the Rest laths Canspeny they did feel for the wants of the natives of India, by their whether in the wenn department Of oteerei, ferinotoes, tt ass rime tor England to step Itoward and tell same have not bent presentee a the s k the tutions , that amidst ell her triumphs mail all her glory, ee • CR( /13L'fli TO ANIMALS. she also melt en interest in the Indians. (1t ar, tuner.) BORNEO. siu M t r. v. W th l e LV ermai Ndid eo i . t i o a t ra t te k . u to u r ,:b ersit e wra the ; sit . se tw .nt main Ir.. lits1 its M a ri au W w B pe l e tkil ee r o bl ee m oo l s tl ed to t llLe, 3 l ;' u T . S l ::,;! did heti,. to aotaplaia of the manner in which the noble I • lord lied done credit to himself awl diem notice to to i.'a letter, of th i t . .10 Nat India Comeau) ; but he wished to correct tome iniv.p eratettsione under which the noble lord laboured. They who logr M .a r tw . s . 4 e. ptl o y. t L oto l L, o4ll ,4r ß wj lf , I t t k o w n te t e .ew groatn . ha would su o n t h d w i o n h n k i e c t h h h e y t Fe v n y ' o r bie b n aLl '• with in wit h in th e e e r ce s : any .:etAgre ed i C r a ee•• B roo k e o orders ag mn by Zi'• Mr. HCME said that there w • • veloping the resources of India, d tin of railways, an 'family@ applic .t. believed. gnat!, diminish the evils of th... . • one of those who attributed all the mid , • L.., of taxation, as he thought that if the r • . country were properly devellied, the am w;a would sit very lightly on the inhebitants. that if the India Company would commence • from Allahabsd to Della, running through the er lines, the saving in men, hums, atil the carried stores, would in five years make them en am; . their money. Sir J C HOIIHOCSE s.id he WAS glad . lord had brought forward this motion, hut r • . it necessary, atter the full . nil able sp. eca near him (Mr. Wilson) to go into say .• •., • • the subject. He should take another ~; • • •• : in what point h. di ff ered from th- • • 7 . ' political interests of India or ice • • • thoie to whom they were intrusted. , should be able to show that the nom , slumbered at its post, nor hal the cos ; intoreets entrust, d t its care. Lie 'hon. , . occasion allude to one or two points winch r. • hon. friend hod insufficiently develoysed, and ' concerned the Madras and Atc3t Railway. He • . bon. friend had not mentioned why that complhy received the time eze .uragement as hal been eat. the other two railw ty companies. Tne reaaons wee. In the first instance—and any gentleman pres• nt w acquainted with the circumst cou:el emnrs meat—it vitas t.l intention of the company to give pref•renee to the Miami line, on account of its r: facilities. and for other conshicrations which • entitle it to a preference. They were prep treLl . what occurred ? Waen they wished to k 'ci. alive, the company died of i self, and of c •ur., to support a nonentity. (A laugh.) As to t.:•• had been alluded t 3 by mdre than one h u were to be attributed to faults an the government hod no share. » :he : •g tions had a:ionised ta.s mart, feared would stigmatise it in his•ory. • ruinous specuia:ion which, not cnnii 1..1 .• say to those who were not supo ised t very hiso sense of honour, had even lid usually supposed to h- guided by the is. • to whom the people of England hal up not only for the formation id of its Manner! He could wow, h:. t ,•• d'd not require any fresh staina:u. • . rather wanted Ithe rein than (hi , . • :re upon from all sides. It la !. • t • r Pure purr, nun.. -. Besides wino, he eon( p-rson had the master r. (Cheers Mr. MANGLES, wh era* :- stood to say that the India Cow, for not baring undertak-n reserves in their cof,•r% vcl:h Kt lie trusted that the line eJtileul dal in its results. Lord JOCELYN. iu reply. by any t. cling hostile .o the c this motion. His object was t.a c. Ternsent did not mean to rsc'.u•ie th.. M share in their support. Ile derd, it tr. been dissolved. The motion was then put Ana aorr.! • I'UNISEMENT OF P. Mr. EWAET said that At t . at Li:. i. (":. 117 eleven o'clock) he sli n t!. on the mo•ion of which he had .it cApit -I punishment. I'• U J go on '• for him to iro on. sevoral non. metu!vi• who intended to sup, rt his m Lon. Ali now he should •io so %, itn the • opposed to him, and none is tiwur lore bring it forward on :he tirst .'pp.n n. do so. pod the Iwil waled la Nat law ge ~. • • . lad woo A woo ........1- s wilt lie 411 C .; Ir . wield deo Jo , wog • .. . : M N ,11/L • 7 ; fr leit agree wiJ whist Jo Is- , gyWING, JUNE 12, .1 . ~, ,:, We rttpersed prearees, and have sable. Ihillad instituted a ...,zatiaalilllalltalle w IN WM. _._ ,_ ..• . alkali liZeieil duties, sad thest e gt e d g . sad aljeessoi al 10U-Paeflallea ,se le be, levied cm the tfil kilgrist eve la the ell house/ Idla nd.6l... (tbs *ow Rzehesi nes/oas wits at Yawl eve Aka la the , as white Wee duties old hews. dfeel oypealta., • The °Nes POSTAPTICE. el taipseeed goods was 11r. 70111111111 t gave amass ski ea Ify4by Losett: um emui,,, me her as k leave w btUa la aWU Se reyleal me h , wows as duty of the 7th WUL IV, mad 1 Vie. tap 1111 mad ether WiltallW Milled fat* eawaseptiou THE LOktll-LIEUTENANCY BILL. Sir G. GREY, in mama to Mr. ANKTIT, et. ted that the adjourned debate on this bill would be taken on Monday ; he believed it would be the first order of the day, but nstice of that would be given in the interim. RAMSGATE AND MARGATE HARBOURS. Mr. MACKINNON moved for leave to applint a select committee " to investigate the revenue, condition, anti ex - penditure of item-gate and Margate harbours " After some disenikion two divisions took place, one on a motion by Sir O. Pechell, for adding /over harbour to the subjtcts of 'agility, which was negatived by 71 votes to 60. The original motion, for appointing the select committee was afterwards carried by a atrjerity of 78 to 47. HOME AND COLONIAL SPIRIT DUTIES. Mr. PAGAN presented a petition from the distillers of Cork, in favour of the motion of the noble member for Kildare (Lord Naas). Lord NAAS, in rising to move "that the house do resolve itself into committee, to take into consideration the present mode of levying the duty on home made spirits in ',nod," -aid he was not going to detain the house by any reference to statistics. He res.ed the motion on the oround of equal justice to the home and colonial distillers; and he trusted that, on these grounds alone, the house would accede to his motion. (Hear, hear.) The cue, as between the home and the colonial distillers, was this, that in the ease of levying the excise duty on spirits of home ma nufacture the quantity was measurable from the period at whic-. it was bonded; and the distiller, on releasing it from hood, was compelled to pay duty on the quantity originally bonded, no matter what consumption or diminution it might have undergone dm that period. (Hear, hear.) Whereas, in the case of the colonial manufacturer, no matter what quantity he bonded, he Ind only to pay doty on what was measured cut from the worm's month when released from bond. (Hear, hear.) 81 that, whatever lose or cdmistution the article sustained whilst in bond, the home manufac turer had to pay duty on, whilst the colonial ma nufecturer emir paid on the ac'ual quantity in-a ura out. (Hear, hear.) That, in his opinion, was of itself aufficieet to show the injustice end hardship to which the home manufacturer was subjected. . Hear, hear ) Now to illustrate his position the more clearly, he wouist suppose a case of U re' arks of spirits, one of brandy, one of rum. and one of home spirits, to be bonded, and that they remained in bond three years. At the end of that time, on twine released, if the rum and brandy should he found to have lessened by two stilton, each, these two gallons of ab sorption would not be paid duty on, whilst the home spirits, no matter to what extent it had diminished. would be com pelled in pay duty, not in the quantity Wien out at the end of the three years, as in the case of the runt and brandy, but on the quantity originally entered. (Hear, bear.) lie (Lord Naas) might be met with the argument that as the home dire.lers enjoyed a differenti .1 duty of 41. per gallon on the colonial rum, that was equivalengor all the restrictions ut.dir which they were placed. But in'o that question he was nit then ale nut to co. He thought the tram distillers had a very fair cause of complaint, in the fact of their being obliged to pay duty on consumption which took plate in the article of their ma , nufacture, even whilst that article was under bon, of the QUM'S seal. (Hear, h•ar.) Now be supposed the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer would tell him in rip'y that he could not agree to a committer, a. my a:teration in the present mode of I vying the ex .ise duty would lead to a reduction in the revenue. But probably the right hon. gentleman was not aware that the revenue already suffered, and in this war : mane manufacturer, when measuring off the article, employed large-surfaced reservoirs, and, as the excise officers took no note of any qu unity under the tenth of an inch, which, spread or. r a large surface, must he considerable, there was consequently a lice of revenue. (Hear, hear ) But, as to the falling off in the amount of revenue by reason of alteration in the present mode, those best acquainted with the trade in ad its details were of opinion that it would lead to an increase, and that the revenue would he a gainer. (Hear.) There was another mode in which these restrictions interfered with the distil lers. It was a great object to the traders to be allowed to take advantage of the market, and to small themselves of the prices that might offer there if favourable. But the restrictions prevented that, inasmuch as they deterred the distiller and trader from keeping on hand large stocks, knowing very we 1 that by resalleast the occurrence of deficiency or absorption they would be lasers in the way of duty chargeable for such absorption. (Hear, hear.) The Irish distiller distilled Irons a mixture of malt and corn, whilst the Sc itch distiller dis tilled from malt alone, and consequently th , Scotch distilla tion sooner arrived at maturity than the Irish, so that a greater time of bond, and consequently a gr motet of excise duty fell on the Irish article of distillation. (Hear, hear.l These restrictions were most obnoxious, and their tendency was to re luce the numb r of die:Weed. ei whilst at the nine time the consumpti en increased. That reduction in the number of distilleries was injurious in more ways than one, because it threw a number of peening out of employment, es well in the distilleries as in the turf tracts, much of which article wee used in the localittes where it abi'uuded. (Hear, hear.) In these days of free trade, and wh. n the removal eat -estrietions on every amide of nee-s -tidy WAS the cry, he could not think tile house would redtse to remove these heavy and pressing restrictions n an im portant branch of home industry. (Loud crii bof Haar, hear.") Lord J. seconded the motion, vilach hing pot Mr. WILSON observed that the noble 1 oral, in introduc ini the motion, wished the house to infer it was a question of tree trade. But if the noble lord bad paid attention to the subject—as, indeed, his speech showed he had—he might have seen it was the intention of the house, in arranging the spint duties in ISIS, altogether to disregard the q u scion o f protection And to place the home and colonial manufacturers as near yas possible oa a parallel position. ( Hear, hear.) 01 the r viral questions that engaged the attenti .n of the auger committee of 1848. there was none that occupied so much ot their time, or to which they gave m ire laborious 'mishit ration, thin that of fixing the relative duns. on Lome and colonial spirit. The noble lord 'silvered to the fact that ou•y should . be paid on the quantity of home spirits originally bonded, whilst, as r. gsrded the coion , sl, duty waa only paid on the quantity taken front bend. ( Hem-, hear.) But the noble lord forgot that that was the chief consideration which entered into the minds of the house end committee in fixing the duty on colonial sp . " at 44. pee gallon more than on home spirits • and cows, qu. utly that was the matter to be considered. (llear, hi are) He c nei dered that after a committee of that house and the h .use itself had resolved that the difference between the two class a ot consum es was settled at 44. per gallon differential duty, it woitio be unfair ot the house now to disturb that arrangement—both unfair to the We.t Indiana as well as to the producers of aid ri ~ in the other parts ot the empire. It was clear the Wept Indian committee was rght or wrong in tieing 4d. per gallon as • differi ntial duty between the home and eolooial producers; arid ifs.), it was cltu.r that that arrangement would tie disturbed by any alteration that at present might he mote. therefore he suvested that It could nit roe tor the interest of the home distillers that that arrangement sneuW be dis turbed, made, as it had been, after mature cave and delibe ration; and, after every opportunity hail been gores them to, come Ireton the committee, it would not i x: g., ir j es t ~, to seek that that arrangement should be ditatubed. (Herr, hese.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose Italia lout and pr longed cries tor a division, *ll,Ol rendered hi. opening observations inaudible in the melt. ry. He was under stood to say that the present mdt 1111 l , .i.theugh nut parisat ing that appearance Wail aimed with a view to reduce th e set., iptol she alchey:aer. 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