The Express. — London, England, 1855-05-05 00:00:00

, i ' 1 1, i i,,. , 1 :. 1, i i : l l i ‘I 1 1 '.; 1' , i , ii '' i.,...:,, Ilf k 11 ' 111 I I 'l l a i .' I 1. - ; !I ; 1 i I ' i ' 1 1I ' I it \ ' I. . ' 4 IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—FRIDAY, MAT 4. The Loan CRANCILLOS took hie seat at five o'clock. CLOSING OF CHURCHYARDS AND VAULTS IN THE COUNTRY. The Earl of SANDWICH renewed the goettlos which he had put en a former day. relative to the peoceediegs at Haatiugdon under the Belisle Act, and the correspondence which had taken plies witl' the Home Secretary on the subject. Ha observed that if the question was not settled one sal or the other, it would be • source of constant ast nuance to the parties owning vaults. The Duke of ARGYLL said the question of the noble lord would be but answered by a very short statement of what the law was. It was this: on the report of an is spotter daly sent down by the Home Secretary, duo notice having been given to all parties interested that his report had been sent to the Home Secretary, it was in the power of the Privy Council, on the motion of the Home Secretary, to slue say bariallrosed either wholly or in pert. The act further gave to the Home Secretary a discretionary power to reopen a burial pound wholly or in put; but that was not an arbitrary power ; it could only be exercised on the Home Secretary beteg satisfied that the re-opening would not be Wariest to the public. The Earl of MALMESBURY thought that • general heist, was growing up in the provisoes against isterferenee with interments. He approved of the bill recently passed, and thought it a very proper reform; but it had not been wisely carried out. What he complained of was this: in °Quincy plum there was scarcely any necessity for closing churchyards and vaults immediately, leas, it had sometimes been done after • notice of a few hoots. The Bishop of LONDON said the order is council itself wee a notice that the graveyard woald be closed after • per tain time. He believed that the greatest grievances had bees ihfieted is this metropolis by the precipitate closing of graveyards; the evil was every day iscrewing, and the should shortly take the epportusity of hinging the whole subject before their lordships. Steps ought to be taken to compel parishes where the churchyards were closed to pro vide free band grounds for the poor. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The billowier, bills were read a third time and passed : Omen Gas Bill, Staleybridge Gem Bill, Chesterfield Water and Oas Bill. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Lord REDESDALB moved—" That Ode hoses will not reed any bale secant time after Tuesday, the 24th of July, =up bills of aid or supply, or nay bill ia relation to whi c h the Issue shall have resolved, behn the easend needing is mend, that the circumstances whisk wader ligistatiss as the subjest imir the mom ',reediest, are either el seek mast Warne., mr as to reader the lessmiliste emir/err tioa of the add " ssesseary." • Salm medaties bed been •dosed het swim ; sad be believed it bed bed mate slat is the pubis bosisam After thedey Used last year, wen 22 bills had come cep hens the edam cease ; in the pieselisi year the number of bib whish eine up after dist des was 61. Of the 21 See did set emu within the min, thirteen had hem limed, sad four were not peeseedel with, in eomplimee MO the order. He ism aidsred that the regulation had washed well, end that It would prove yet more beneficial is fetters yams It had met with the satin appreval of the Speaker a the ether bases. Vimount CANNING eminerred is the resolution, sad it was agreed to. JURISDICTION OF THE STANNARY COURT AMENDMENT BILL. This bill was read a third time sad passed. LOAN BILL. This bill was read • third time. Oa the question that it do pass, Lord MONTEAGLE said that the principle upon which the loan bad bees neor iated was ens to which the public could not ban the slightest ground of objection ; on the contrary, he believed that the lose had been wisely and essaibly cleatracted, and that the terms were highly ulna tag nos to the country. A loan very similar in character had been made by Lord Melbourne's government in order to ea rry out their mesaure of slave emsasipation in 1836. That was also a three per ant. loan, sad the biddings wen is • Wabash's annuity. At that time also the funds were witbia ss. per cent. of what they were now; and the terms were also very nearly the Name. The loan of 1836 Defer galled in vermin, it wee referred, by a committee of the of Cannot's. to one of the profoundest scientific 'ma el the day—Mr. Finlaisoo, and the judgment pro nemusil upon it by Mr. Finlaison was, that no loan en mesa bed ever been contracted on terms so satisfactory. In 1816, there were several circumstances greatly in favour of the public. At that time the country was at peace ; now we were at war. In 1835, there was no income tax—now there was one; and a tax of that description told with pe culiar force spa a long annuity. Finally, there was a dimwit allowed in the former loan, and there was none in the prewat case. The governmeat of 1836 had thus three advantages over the government of the present day, and yet the terms on which the preseat loan had been made were very little higher than those which Mr. Finlaiaon had so warmly euloeised. Surely there could not be • more authori tative proof that the greatest credit was due to his right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer ? (Hear, bear.) It had been argued that the fact of the loan being contracted partly in three per cent. stock, and partly in sonaities, was objectionable; but he would remind their lordships the twelve of the most memorable loans of Mr. Pitt bad bees of the some kind ; sod that this was the only manner M which the principle of terminable aninitise cou ld be canted out. Nevertheless the bill contained • clause, though ig was nor nue in the least degree affecting the principle of the loan imif, in which he could not concur—he referred es that providing for the repayment of the money by instal ments of a million per annum, when the war should have been brcught to a cioncluiion. That was a recurrence to the vicious priaciple of • sinking fund, which had been de counted by every authority during the last thirty year'. Nay, it was even more objectionable than other sinking funds had been, for it provided that the repayments should commence immediately after the close of hostilities, whereas everybody knew that the eat of a war was often a more expensive time than the period of its actual duration. Could anybody pretend to say that the ministers by whom the war would be terminated would be men more to be depended upon than the statesmen of the last 150 years? And yet a can had never been known in which smogs meat, of this kind had been long attempted to be fulfilled. The system was originally introduced in 1716, but Sir R. Walpole detected the lolly of keeping up a sinking hind with borrowed money. and put an end to it. In 1786 it was again revived by Dr. Price, and adopted by Mr. Pitt, who anticipated great results from the accumulation of compound interest; but he (Lord Moateagle) would sot trouble their lordships with calculation which had sad- Sently puzzled their ancestors. The sinking fuad was kept up till 1825, sad at that time it bad reached a very large nominal amount, although the real benefit accruing from it was very smell Index d. The government of that day limited it to five millions a year, but it was soon found that if there was not a surplus of five millions, the thing was as absurd as ever. It was neat reduced to three millions, but that was dealt with precisely as the larger sinking fund had been ; and in 1828 it was determined that it should consist only of the difference between the income and the ezpendi- Sue. Bees that plan was departed from as much as its per eseesson. It was the custom to rube soma of money on deletion hikes& the surplus being applied to the Selig' sp of them Ms, we thus virtually added to the ways and MEN elf the neat year. Lord Grenville, who had been the friend and colleague of Mr. Pitt, pub lished a pamphlet with the motto—. Growing old I have laws* aiseli," and he illustrated that aphorism by ably maim the khan et the prineiple he bad formerly so stresses* selsitaised. It had boss said that this clause woad brie se biding farce, but in point of fact it would be just so Wales as any other of the sea relating to the pus., dela He would not risk the bill by moving the sahebs aas clause, but he regretted its introduction, se bulug may ealealated to endanger the public credit. He obi Iligeeted to Ames 9, which referred to a practice lately ielseineed with regard to the payment of dividends. For m*. suit rases, was deposited is the Beak on quarter dq en MGM inHee to pay ell the dividend.. even if the whelp mew die ceded on that day. About a year howeesros set veryansiitable iansiaties wee a pies, simely, of eliding the Wheel mesa bas day to day with so made as it was ealealated mall be astassary to meet the demands likely se he mode. • MINIM pitiful and trumpery seciatmv he meld set esseelm. (Hear.) The Deice of ARGYLL said be malt set belt protesting ageism the observances of the sehk had in efereace to the mune takes by the late Chimes/ler a the Bectequer. So far from that mum having bees an unworthy sad a paltry course, he goaceived it was • mum whisk the Chan cellor of the Exchequer was bound le Wm. He feat that the 'tables were paying interest es ildelemeien which wen' lanceurely 'modest, an net only so bat these fictitious ba s iateeed members of parliament and the noble lord in use arguments as fallacious as the behnees themselves. The law °Mean of the crown gave it as their opinion that the course takes by the late Chou/41m of the Enbequer was juetillable, and that it was ausediag to the spirit and limestone of the set of partisan at. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY said he was sure their lordship sad the country would be gratified to hear that to great an entliority as his noble friend (Lord Monteagle) thought that the terms on which the loss was contracted were so famarable. It was thought they could not mann kegs a um as 18 millions by terminable anaultise, and *anal - e ferelhat mode had been adopted that was miserly maissme aAfter all, what was the di ff erence betimes a el and torealaable mashies ? A sink ing Mel is order that the pressat genera tion might par a a portion of the capital, end • Ismael& sessity dM - Me wee thing. The mime et the Clemealor if the /*hews was *se Ma dar es,' between the pies el °mesh and 1061. Medd he represented by termiegie ansultiimesd it ow *UM* that the remeisieg sum amid be paid eft •avea time, sad themilsee • ekes wes ismisi is the missiariss the hem whim peeled shoe its INN a ealhaassz ser *mid be ca. I le sus es Maim* the ftwee of the Isabegate est to ma the mania baelpees espeaditare eel Isom too elem. altse all. if Meet wens a great swirpasy, it would be is the pewee e/pedhmese vizz li ds o r o ut tide deaes la the set ; Mit be 'boogie II a peeper int parliament shield epetr e itselt Uwe Amid be kept is view, awl be wok, as Ise se they >• eeeghupds *di, set lessen and pat • hid d 4•14 apes peseeder. Vall i set eall ost Y rio.te agreed with the gabb II" whe lissmat a use . et t d ub f t P it ' debt *se he bees Wound is tine ea ,Mt he THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MAY 5, 1855. sot think the noble lord hadaessoved the objection to the claws sow tinder discussion. The insertion et this dares was really a retrograde stop is Isaneiel po3ey. This sub ject was easefully eonsiellred by a Inancial oesmittosi of the Hoses of Commons is 1828, rf which he had the he• nolo of beteg a member ; sad that committee, in their ebbe report, prepared, he believed, by the late Mr. Berries, showed that sppropriating • lilted sues fora sinking fund was • vicious principle. And why was it t It wee because, while the Chancellor of the ll:chequer paid the sum he was botied by the act to pa?, ho bestowed the 'mount co deli stem bilk ; so that, while be paid off on the oars band, ere borrowed as the other. Siam that report, the practice had holm to sareertals the surplus every quarter, and pay off as mach of the debt as the staples enabled them to pay. The report also showed that it was often more desirable to pay off the unfunded than the fended debt , bu t this Masse weaned the repayment to the fended tiebk Another objection to the clause was that it implied that they were sot to pay off more than a million. Then the tying up of future parliaments was a complete delasion. Be saw no possible object to be attained by the clause, and thought it a delusion epos the public. Loru MONTEAGLE said, at the close of the last war an attempt was made to raise a sum on terminable annuities, but goversesest only succeeded in raising 580.0001. The bill was then read a third time and passed. Their lordships adjourned at 7 o'clock. hovel. ; and pewee being hopeless, it was the duty of the government of the day to apply to parliament far the mesas of MOO vigomusly carrying on* the was. If my noble friend bad gorse to Bt. Petersburg with out there having bees any previous discussion with any other power—sad if the result of a fortnight's or a moath's negotiation at tit. Petersburg had proved steelier to that to whisk the right bon. gentleman referred, the eases would be meek SON parallel than they have been. Now it is well known that the negotiations which my noble friend undertook were conducted by the intervention of the friendly government of Austria. It is well known that from the corausearnment of the war—and even before the commencement of the war—Austria, as a power friendly to both parties, has been ineessant in her endeavours to bring about a reconciliation of the differences between England and France on one band, and Russia on the other, and that it was only a continuance of these efforts which led to the conferences in which my noble friend took part; those wide reams did not terminate in a sucoessful issue ; but they were not broken off; they were adjourned without any spa cilia time being appointed for their meeting. Even after my noble friend left Vienna, and even after the °entireness were adjourned sin. die, there took place, at the request of Austria, a further conference. (Lord John Russell—" At the request of Russia.") At the request of the Russian minister, who stated that they had further proposals, the conference reassembled. I speak without being perfectly certain, but I believe that up to this time the protocols or detailed records of that cow femme, have not been received by her Majesty's govern . meat, or if they have it has been within the day. After the conferences were adjourned my noble friend re turned. The course which the right hon. gentleman w:shee us to take is most certainly that which the govern ment ought to take if it was the determination of bar Majesty's government to abut the door to every future poe sible—(ltear)—recans of settling the differences on account of which the war is carried on. If they were prepared to state their full determination under no cironmstenem to listen to my further overtures made either by Russia through Austria, or by Austria herself, as suggesting means of ac commodation (hear)—if that was our determination, then un doubtedly the course which the right hon. gentleman would wish as to pursue, viz., to oome to parliament with a menage Olin that every possibility of accommodation was lost, end Imes under the circumstances impossible—undoubtedly list would be the proper course to pursue. But, sir, that le not the state of things. (Hear, hear.) We have failed ig the attempt which we have made ; but I are not prepared to say that there are no other means open by which, through the intervention of the friendly offices of Austria,propositions HOUSE OF CO; The Sraalart took the chair at 4 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. TRIAD RlADlNOS.—eshton under Lyne Gas sad Water Bill ; Kilmarnock Gas Bill (Amendments to be proposed, by the promoters, new title); Regent's Canal (Hertford Union Canal) Bi ll; Salisbury and Yeovil Railway Bill (Queen's consent, on behalf of the Crown, to be signified). 81COND RIADIIIO9. Derbyshire, Staffordshire, and Woreestenhire Railway (No. 2) BiU ; Grand Surrey Canal (No. 2) Bill; Southampton Paving Trust, St. Paneras, Bill (by order). THE VIENNA CONFERENCE. Mr. DISRAELI—I wish to have some explanation from her Majesty's goverment of the unusual delay which has takes place in laying before the house the stets papers re lative to the late aneseceesfal negotiations for pease. The house is aware that whatever may have been the result of these negotiations, whether successful or the reverse, who• they the preliminaries of peace were signed, or the result such as it appears, the papers which have been ex changed daring the negotiations might have been prepared for the how*, so that when the negotiations had terminated there might be only a protocol or two, or a last despatch, to print, and the papers might have been laid upon the table of the house on the same evening as the noble lord (Russell) returned and took his seat. If you Sod that this has been the usual course, I think I IY, MAY 4. may ilk the government why the usual course has not been followed on the present occasion, and why there has not been that willingness on the part of the government to plus parliament in possession of the information which it has certainly a right to possess on so grave a subject as soon as it was in the power of the government to produce it. I have searched the journals which should guide us on the subject, and, as I wish to confine myself strictly within the techsieal limits of a parliamentary question on this occasion, I will state to the house, if it permit me, what I found in the journals to guide u at this momentous crisis, and will ask her Majesty's government to eaplein to the house why, on this occasion, they have not followed the precedents that governed the conduct of ministers under similar dream sten•ee. The precedent I shall quote on the present octa gon does not differ from others, and I only take it because it is au of modern date—one of the highest importance, and very appropriate to the circumstances of.the present con juncture. I take the precedent of the rupture of the nego tistioas between this country and France in 1796. On the 16th of October of that year his Majesty sent the Earl of Malmsebury as plenipotentiary to France, to negotiate • peace, and on the 20th of December it was known to the country t►at the negotiations had terminated. The Earl of Malmesbury returned to this country on the 291 h. But two days before t►at, namely, on Monday, the 27th of December, the minister came down to the house with • message from the crown, from which I will read an 'strut to the Maw. easy sot be made which it may beaus the duty of the government to take into their serious cenaideration, in order te determine whether it may not be possible to bring these differences tea close. (Hear, hoar.) Allow me to say, sir, that the emu are not parallel, even on the ststernent of the right ben. gentleman bier elf. He says that in the use of Frames the basis of negotiation was peremptorily refused by France ; but the basis of negotiation has been accepted by Ramie. The four points on which England and France agreed to negotiate have been accepted by Ruda. I may seen my that the exact interpretation which Hog lead and France placed on them has been espied by Russia u the foundation on which negotiate. The only difference has been as to the mode in which the fair meaning of the points ought to be carried out in the detailed articles of a treaty. What ever the right hon. gentleman may think of the analogy of the two cues, I think they are essentially different in their fundamental elements, and that her Majesty's government woad not have properly discharged their duty if, following sat the fanciful analogy of the former case, they had taken *step by which they would have proclaimed to the world that they had lost all hopes of accommodation. (Hear.) They would equally neglect their duty if they held out hopes that might not be realised, end I should feel that ha Kojesty's government bad entirely violated their duty if they stated that all hopes had disappeared. I wish to leave question in the state in which it is. (Laughter and cheers.) I wish to leave the door to negotiation open. I would not shut the door while there was a possibility of accommoda tion, by taking the step to which the right hon. gentleman would drive the e We said, sir, that we would —_ _____ ___ govern - talent. .. _ ____, —, ..... -- The SPEAKER—Does the right hon. gentleman mean predate, the protocols. They will be produced ; end when to conclude with a motion ? produced it will be for the house to determine whether any Mr. DISRAELI—I hope I am strictly within the limits step! on to its . tart he sh i e jt i o u n ld o b i l d tar e n c, u u p n o t t i them. • W fo o rm ar s e . of • parliamentary question in stating what has been the I tti e on sTr t hich to think consistent with chill:Zs:e h of the course taken by ministers on a former occasion, and asking country, and consistent with any possibility of putting • why the present government have not followed a similar conclusion to the differences which have compelled us to mine; but if you, air, think lam trespassing beyond that embark in a great and arduous contest. While, on unit, I will conclude with a motion. I was going to state the one hand, we are determined to continue that contest so long as it is inevitable, in a manner Weston the 27th of December Mr. Secretary Dundas came consistent with the honour, dignity, and interests of the dawn with a message from the crown expressed in this way : country, so en the other hand we will not be parties to shut "lt is with the utmost concern that his Majesty acquaints nag the door to the possibility of concluding an honorable the House of Commons that his earnest endeavours to effect and satisfactory peace. (Cheers.) the restoration of peace have been unhappily frustrated, and Mr. FREk s ea l t 3 leg ptl ert D o uortLevinstrLtidNof ther that the negotiation in which we have been engaged what steps have bas e, taken, and what decision, if any, have been abruptly broken off by the peremptory refusal been come to in relation to the proposal made by the Earl of the French government to treat except on a bads of Dandonald for the destruction of the Russian fortress? evidently inadmissible. His Majesty he. directed that the Lord PALMERSTON requested the indulgence of the several memorandums and state papers, together with the house to enable him to. ted a higher opinion of Lard Dun- make a few observations . (Hear, account submitted to his Majesty cf the final result, be tai hear.) No man entertal donsld than he did: he had had the honour of his acquaint ' before the hone." On referring to the journals I find that ance fora number of years. lie was of high standing in his the state papers alluded to in the royal message were of a profession, and of great scientific attsiamenta, and any 'voluminous description, and not inferior in importance or opinion entertained by him was entitled to the deepest con. His plan had last year been submitted; to the nmeeber to the papers we now expect. The house will read- eideration.conideration of a certain number of professional acientifie hit that this was two days before the arrival of the pled- persons and the result of their inquiries was, that there ap poteatiery. peered 'to be such difficulties of execution, and such doubt Mr. RICK—I rise to order. (Oh, oh.) lam very un- It to the remit, that nothing was done. The plea willing to interrupt the right hon. gentleman. (Oh, oh.) I v b a ern d a to ll e a n i a t , b b e y en dr r d Dun d =d t . he T he m e i a d t e t r e e r t w i o o h s s e t f ill h u e s!: am most desirous that he should have an epportunity of oossideration ; but it was far from being as free from di& making a full statement of what he has to say ; but I think eulty:and doubt as the hon. gentleman seemed to imagine. it will conduce to the order of our proceedings if the right He thought, when such plans were in question,there was no hon. gentleman confines himself within the limits of a question. (OS.) advantage io any public discussion. Tim only result would be to give the enemy some information as to the possibility of their immediate use or perhaps, to let some inkling of The SPEAKER—The right hoes . gentleman having in- their nature ooze out. ' rammed that he would conclude with a motion, he is not out THE MILITIA. of order. (Cheers) Mr. H. BAILLIE, en rising to call the attention of the Mr. DISRAELI—The boa . gentleman labours wader • tor, regretted t t e i t s : t ol hathe militia force in the United Ki og forced to bring so important • misconception as to the spirit in which I put the ques- subject before the hone in such • manner. The house was don; it is for the public interest and the honour of the aware that in consequence of a doubt existing as to whether country that I should make the statement I aow do. (Hear, • certain portion of the militia force was under the act liable bear.) Well, when the minister of that day expressed hie to be called on for Benin for • longer period than 66 days, government decided to allow those in that position to return intention of laying the papers connected with these impor- ome. A large number availed themselves of the opportn tant transactions on the table, he at the same time gave pity, and the result was, the militia force was in a complete notice that on the following day he would ley the whole of state of dimpalution, and very much reduced in numbers. the ,ospen before the hone. Accerdingly, on the 28th of That enditios was in • great measure to be attributed December he laid these papers on the table ; and not only i t theirocesdour the thi , powin eeere en hieht ted d tr t th e e e m atit U that, but Mr. Cumin, then Under-Secretary of State for act of parliament. When the hon. member for Midhunt Foreign Affairs, laid on tho table, for the useof members, a introduced the bill, he stated there were two 111040 a of most important state paper, oompoud with such ability, raising a militia; one, voluntary enlistment; the other, the that the hand of Mr. Canning may be traced therein. It ballot. The voluntary system was, no doubt, sufficient to secure the efficiency of the force in time of peace, when it was called "His Majesty's Royal Declaration," is which he was a matter of indifference whether the force numbered informed the house of all the cinamstatess eenneeted with fifty, sixty, or seventy thousand men. In time of war, it the negotiation, and the causes that lad to its final terrain- was of the fireateet possible importance that the militia gm. Th e c i rcumstance , connecte d with the t erm i na ti on should be mantained at is full complement, because on its deposited their means of keeping up the ef tbe negetiatioas in 1796 were so similar to the arena-eff iciencyumb of the p. It was o b T i ou to ems 112111118 utuutoluta with the termination of negotiations ill one that a ;system of voluntary enlistment for the lie Mine lastaace, as described by the cob;, lord, as to militia must enter into direct competition with the be limit plesisely ideatical. But in the former case there enlistment for the army—the two could net be Bob was • mew from the crown ; all the papers wen laid on r i f i el e I, out, on together . As It a l y n ken ee i th eedni war the table, seeompealed with a royal declaration, entainin stele fo e r il. aa= timal errtl e se e in t ilat. It was end ail m mosit e n the whole pith and import of the negotiations; and would be required to prepare the maehitery ; but although wee than this, the government et that day gave six months had elapsed, nothing had been done. The re- Mies for the following Thursday—the papers haying cult was that the militia force was so reduced that at present l i i i i: b t e h li e eved it did no was sLeaustereart43o,,oolimen. had ;f a ke c lefloie:2 hem kid on the table on Tuesday—of taking them Me dultideretion- (Hear, hum-) As I have stn , " fro authority th y at the arm was was now 41,000 men ar below the were." than I expected, I ask the house to compare the complement voted by parliament; and although the govern endue* of the government of 1796 towards the House of mint averted that recruiting was going on most favourably, Osamu with the conduct of the government Id 1866. he believed that the weekl y Munn did not t hen • "Dann than sufficient to supply the manal more ties that were daily (Hoer, hear.) I ask whether there has been the same entering. The casualties of the army in time of peace omelet, on the part of the government to impart to penis- were 24,090 men a wear, and they must now be at least meat the information so necessary to inemben en • subject 36,000. When the - noble lord was selected to form es pregnant with important consequences to this country ? a 'pennant, it was considered thatthe selection was based (awl Has them bees, not only the ams prompt i tude, on the prenlnt opinion that he was a . sn u st who would carry hat the same wise spirit in communicating between the "..`rt ."%.7,7 "Vihaarthlr'er," ; y b as t d ai vig ( ot r. Bet tl ) . mown and the two houses of parliament ? ( Hear.) We He thought even the goverment of Lor d Aberdeen had die have not at the present moment the slightest authentic in- played more vigour. They had summoced parliament at a d emot i on on t h e eo hi ee t o f the p rom pt nego ti at i ons , most unusual period, in order to take measures for 'aiming a foreign w legiol i and although the act was passed Ave mon th s a (Hear.) 'I he hone has a right to know why there within the last tea days that any steps had is this singular difference between the 'lodes in bi l e% take ee n by the noble lord to carry it into execution. The which parliament his been treated under arensastesces noble lord had, indeed, told them that the language used in of so such similarity and so much importance by the go• that house had prevented the Osrmaas from enlisting ; but 'manse of that day and the present goverument. (Hier, they Vla= got el i e s : k o e f r eWh cer i L e : Be knew for a fact, ben) Parliament has a right to have some means of form- off:r e the senfeeset !lady of Swiss es pe ; me t. bin im eed° try kert lag an opinion on such grave circumstances, which have for weeks waiting for an answer from the government. If Mused spinach anxiety and agitation in the country. (Hear, as Genies@ were to be had, bow did it happen that the hear.) Why has then not been a Royal message ?—why nib lord had within the last an days signed a capitulation We not the papas been promptly laid upon the table T— or eveseseat with a Brunswiek general, who was to raise a ._ body at troop of which he was to have the command ? What why heathen hot been a Royal declaration s and why eee was the emmeitioa of the administrative departments at the on the minister come forward with the frankness that befits present Meant; what was the state of the War Depart- Ile Weimer of the British satin, to fix the day for taking man ? He believed it had been in • mat efficient state to as , is , omis id srat i on j (u ser , hear) I await with in- the time of the Dube of Newcastle. The noble lord the Meet the answer to she questions I have addressed to the a v lt be nt r ri es eb i e do C a it7 s it, I ; , : d t n u t e ad of q, o i la__ l §elf _very noble lord. (Hear, bear.) The right hon. gentleman con- bar.) He hoped he would be „oats vig ila nt is looking eluded by moving that the house at its rising adjerna till after Lord Penman. (Hear, bear.) they had lately had • Monday. sample of the way ia whic h affairs were conducted at tho Wa r PALMERSTON—Birr, is "' We e Melee %%iS• Miss al". b e ti y a o taisma i imp GtiatdeadhelPialedibeis .eat ttbsposuosmielhe° abet is° dun pat a me by the right non. Pallisthili I bog tu a gnat hurry te embark, bat that whoa they got there, einem that he has refund to the ease of asgetletten they fend the vessel half fall of ether deteehmats. The la whisk it was perfectly clear, hem the wane of the as- detachments were put on Ohara, bad then the Garde were elation ma beim they were masa* slat asa wal embarked, bat without their baggage, leaving behind their Gloats, sad *sea their shoes, sad having the old muskets Instead of Wald rifles. This statement WIN adverted to is the ether Imes. The minister said he knew nothing of the feels, bat he did not think it possible that sash things co, have occurred. Great allowance ought to be made for Lord Paamore, as his health would not ellow him to devote all his time to the duties of his office • bat while the &vestment —..-.—__ was in such a elate, Me neble lord the member for London ought to take Ewa/ hie tint (Hear.) The militia ought at ones to: be up to its full com pigment It would, no Mahe, be theternalent to here n evus* to the ballot, but when the country went to war it anew what the oonsequeses would be. He had oppoeed the mut. Se thought it might have been avoided, but as it had genimenelsol It should be etuadueted with vigour and effect. The berm end chasten, of the country were sacrificed by the mode Ia which it was conducted. England should de. zei in own 'mourns. They heard every day of new battalieas being sent out, but they heard of on* fresh English battalion ; end why, because the/ Sad no more men, from the mismanagement of their resennws. He had kit it his duty to bring this matter sage the notice of the house, because be believed the in dignation of the country would not be much longer re strained. He begged to ask whet measurer, if any, were in sestemplation on the part of the government to restore the effiglerag of the militia fora ? Mr. F. PEEL believed he wee irregular in again addres sing the house, but the hon. member had been more irregular in the number of topics he had introduced. He had fellen into several errors. It was not true that no English soldiers had been sent out within the last two months; upwards of ten thousand men had gone from this country. (Hear, hear.) The hat gentleman had referred to the embarkation of the troops on board the Alma. The feet bad been repeatedly ex . plethed. The difficulty simply arose in this manner: the officers at Liverpool reported the vessel to be capable of carrying a certain number of troops ; when the vessel wind at Portsmouth the officials there considered she could not take so large a number. Under these circum stance', a number of detachments of other regiments were landed, sad the Guards placed on board. It would of wane have been in the power of the government to have carried out their original intention, but the result might have been groat sickness end mortality amongst the troops in consequence of overcrowding. As to the foreign legion, it wee not true that several officers bad been refused commissions to raise men under the act. Two or three alms had lately proceeded to German y to enlist men, and in a very short time depute would be established at Heligoland and in this country. The hon. gentleman had referred to the state of the militia. It was the intention*of the government to take every means in their power to plies that force in an effective state, for the programs of the war had brought out their dependence on it. When the army wee sent abroad the slumber of regiments of infantry of the line usually kept in this country was so much reduced that it became necessary to embody a number of militia regiments sad place Nestel of them In ger , in& to perform the duties hitherto discharged by the infantry of the line. Lately, in consequence of the necessity of reinforcing the army in the Crimes, the garrisons in the Mediterranean had been reduced below their usual strength. In consequence of that reduction an appeal had been made under the act of parliament to the militia regiments in this country to volun teer for service abroad ; several regiments had volunteered, and two or three had already left this country to reinforce the garrisons at Gibraltar and Corfu. It wee no doubt true, as had been stated by the hon. gentleman, that a consider able inroad had bees made upon the effectiveness of the militia force of this count,/ in consequence of the discus sions which had recently taken place with respect to the act of 1854; but he did not conceive that the government wee at all responsible for what had happened under that act, nor did he think it was open to them to take any other course than that which they had pursued. As regarded that ques tion the can wee simply this. The men who were embodied prior to the passing of the act of 1854 offered their services under the impression —he might even say on the understand ing—that they would only be liable to be called out for training for a period of from 21 to 66 days In the year, and would be liable to be called out for permanent duty , only in the event of this country being threatened with an invasion. Now, he had no doubt that, considering how im portant an event that was, many persons joined the militia prior to the passing of the act of 1854, under the persuasion that they would not lose their civil employments by entering that force. The act of 1854 altered the conditions of service. That act authorised the embodying of the militia at any time when this country was at war ; and the country hap pened to be at war at the time when it was pulled. Then the question arose whether that act had a retrospective effect. The law officers of the crown were consulted on the subject, and they gave a decided opinion that the act did apply to the men who were enrolled prior to its being passed, in fact, that its operation was retrospective. therefore, the militia had refused to serve for more than fifty six days, the government would have been prepared with an answer. He thought, how ever, the house must be of opinion that nothing was more likely to conduce to the effectiveness of the militia than the maintenance of confidence between that force and the government of the country,and that this would not have been secured by arbitrarily taking advantage of the act which had been passed, in opposition to the understanding with which the men joined, Under these circumstance., a circular was issued, giving to the men the option of re turning home after they had served 56 days, or else of being reattested for the unexpired period of service, receiving an additional bounty of one pound, in censidetation of the enlarged liability which they contracted under the act of 1854. No doubt the militia very largely availed themselves of that circular. A great number of the men returned to their homes, and the militia regiments—although none of them were actually broken up—had suffered con siderable diminution. The honourable gen•lemen pro posed to resort to the ballot, as a means of sup plyiog the loss which had been thus occasioned. The fact was that the ballot would not answer the purpose. The men who were gone to their homes remained upon the effective strength of their regiments, and when the period came round next year for their 56 days' service they would be called upon to join their regiments. C3S3C• queatly the ballot could not be had recourse to for the purpose of supplying :the places of these men, unless they were discharged altogether; and there could be no doubt that, if this step were taken, the first duty of the govern ment, considering the inconvenience of having recourse to the ballot, would be to ascertain whether their places could not be supplied by the same process by which they . originally joined, namely, voluntary enlistment. If the government failed in that attempt they might thee have recourse to the balllot. He admitted that even including the men who had gose back to their homes, the effective strength of the militia regiments was considerably below the establish ment. The act of parliament authorised the levy of 80,000 men for England and Wales. At no time, he thought, had there been more than from 45,000 to 50,000 men actually enrolled, and that number had lately suffered a considerable diminution, owing to the circumstance that so great a num ber of men had returned to their home,. The present strength os the militia regiments in this country did not ex Med 25,000 men. There was one very important considera tion in the case. Great complaints had been made in con somme of militiamen having been placed on billets. The Mean gave great dissatisfaction to the householder upon wham the men were billeted; and it was equally objec . disable on account of its demoralising effect on the men themselves. At that moment, of the 26,000 men whom he mentioned, as being under arms is England and Wales, these were not more than 8,000 in garrison ; the remaining 19,000 being on billets. Every endeavour wee being made by the government to obtain barracks and hired accommo dation for the militia, both in this country and in Scotland ; and he thought it would be unwise to have recourse to the ballot, for the purpose of obtaining a larger number of men than could, for some time at least, be provided with barrack COlOllOl. KNOX, trILPIN, and NORTH, Mr. BINTINCR, Mr. BELLEW, Mr. H. MZRBIRT, Sir J. WALSH, and the Marquis of GRANBY, having criticised the administration of the department, and offered their sugsestions, Mr. OTWAY said if the country was unable to keep up a sufficient military force, the sooner it retired from the con test in which it was engaged the better. (Hear, hear.) He had put a question on the paper that morning to be ad deemed to the First Lord of the Treasury ; and he should am refer to the subject incidentally, because he understood thet the noble lord was precluded by the forms of the hens from giving • reply. He .wished to know whether Ihegovernment considered that it became the dignity of this senntry to enter into • sort of surreptitious war. H.d the sweats of this country in Germany the sanction of the sove reigns of Germa n y for seeking to carol their subjects ? (Hear, hear.) He asked this question, because it appeared that this country bad already been subjected to some humi liation by proceedings of that kind. At New York the authorities had interposed to prevent the enrolment of men by as agent of this country ; and in that friendly power, Prams. a decree had been issued for the same purpose. He wished to know whether, while we were sending agents to German states to enrol soldiers, we were so doing with the cognisance of the sovereigns of those states. Bir G. OBEY rose to answer the questions which had been addressed to the government by different hon. mein here in the course of the present discussion. An hon. member opposite had complained that his bon. friend (Mr. P. Peel) bad not given the information which had been required of him with regard to the militia; and that eepeelally he had not stated the intentions of the government with re r ,aid to the ballot. Now he (Sir G. Grey) had understood his hon. friend distinctly to state that her Mojesty's government did not consider that the time had yet curie when recourse to that sstem would be found absolutely necessary. (Hear, hear.) In confirma tion of that statement, he could now state that from official desuments it appeared that a considerable increase in volun tare enlistment in the militia had taken platy within the last swath. Another hon. gentleman had stated that in his opinion &separate staff ought to be organised for the militia. But that hon. gentleman should bear in mind that the militia, when embodied, became • portion of the military I tem of the nation, and as such subject to the same depart , meats as the other portions of the army. With regard to the station of billeting, be admitted that many evils attiaeiea IN b e ; received many valuable communleatithonse matter before the Was Department. He could assure the house not only that the matter had not been lost eight of, but teen was Isom wish on the part of the government to pro vide the req ui red barrack seeemosedation. While apes' via rubjest, be might mention to the home, that from • eaters which his hon. friend (Mr. F. Peel) had proennd IiMOB he addressed the house, it appeared that the number if militiamen ander arms in the United Kingdom was 42,381. With regard to the permission to re-attest, to which j yet it was in its terms and fa its clanue alie - 1 0 ,7(--.'nreo:._, reference bad bun made by the noble lord opposite (the I bill which the House of Commons passed tee' — lli Marquis of Granby), the cue stood thus. Ole month's (Hear, hear.) They might recollect, also, thatit"lni leave of absence was now given to militiamen, within which the government of Lord Derby that a restrospeno r w e ",--, period they must nuke up their minds as to re-attesting or more clumsily than that in the present bid, was coat s'orr not. This gave them an opportunity of visiting their friends the house. (Hear, hear.) The principle of (; . . - n , l' and of giving ample consideration to the matter, while it compensation was even affirmed by the fle e t a - irrer, prevented men from coming in after a long lapse or time and (Hear, hear.) The present government declined to claiming the bounty. (Hear, hear.) Another hon. gentle- the question, because, after what had pea le d c m - tate man (Mr. Otway) has asked a question with regard to the few sessions, they despaired of carrying a bill on t f,f t.trki, foreign enrolment. That hon. member appeared to think It was then that his hon. and learned Weed an d 1 , - 1 that the government were proceeding to do too much ; would introduce a bill of his own. His he m e ~,_'-illi while on the other hand, an hon. member opposite (Mr. friend accordingly introduced a bill which, to r j o i tt r•ot Bairns) censured them for doing too little. The fact was in principle and in details with the bill which had 44 that great difficulty had arisen in working the Fond, the House of Commons, and had been affirmed by il l - . Eellstment Act by reason of the debates which had taken of Lords, it would have been a strange p os . ',. - ":4 phou In that house and elsewhere before that act passed. government to take if they were to refuse theiritiain-re',",„4l Many persons who had promised assistance to the govern- introduction of such a bill. (Hear, hear.) we th - X i lit meat, and who had even offered to raise men, had held bock the history of the tenant compensation bills? T i na' j t when they found they were treated and spoken of as was introduced about 20 years ego, by Mr. se enes - s -r it, a. • majority i;; ‘ t :: mercenaries. Nor could it be overlooked the denial of ford. Ten years trier thst a bill was iatreele n ee - l s ' 4 half-pay to officers had operated as a great d i sc ouragemect. the largest proprietors in Ireland, ant by a din by At the same time, he was now happy to say that member of the government in 181.5. In his sp ei m - ^ s -olt the government had received renewed offers of assistance, occasion the noble lord distinctly adopted the - e -1 5 .4, and that agents had been appointed, native. of foreign retrospective compensation, and said that the terier li g ,_ - " countries, for the purpose of enrolling men. Of course, in not to be turned out of his farm without comp enuu - s . - -e. - o taking these steps, the laws of coctinentsl countries would they it was his capital or labour that he applied t:';',,, *4 not be broken through. He believed he had now replied provemeot . (Hear, hear.) That was the hest to in ' to all the questions which had been put by hon. member s. when the principle of retrospective compeasacine b ad i.. Mr. WALPOLE asked if the right hon. gentleman could advocated in parliament. (Hear.) In 1852 the rim; 7 state the number of militia men actually enrolled ? gentleman, the then Attornepeeneral for Ireland -- ;r t . Sir G. GREY could not at that moment give the required Napier) introduced three bills oa the a ei n .O' information. landlord and tenant, and in one of ce ll g ,"" (Mr. Serjeent Shee) ve r • - Sir J. PAKINGTON had heard a report that 2.5,000 men the principle of retrospective ern i p mesti - Lu were expected to arrive from Germany quite unexpectedly. laid down and carried in that bowie by (Roars of laughter.) He wished to know whether this one. (Hear.) The right hon. gentleman ' , inlaid o l d.: was so I that the retrospective compensation should be unie t i n tm - ' Sir 0. GREY had not heard of any such expected arrival. to time. (Hear.) The year after, the reitietim er . - t , i ! Mr. ADDERLEY wished to call the attention of the by the House of Lords, and two of the bills iotrocl u en - `i house to a prepceition for availing ourselves of the services the right hen . gentleman passed the other Louse of re: ,, l of convicts in the Crimea. There were at the present ment, but the Tenants' Comprisation Bill was de e ...„7 moment 10.000 convects in the government prisons, and this Seeing that the principle of retrospective corep enu e - s r, amount was being recruited at the rate of 400 a year. A been affirmed by both houses of parliament, the peM7„ great somber of these convicts-as many he believed as Ireland might justly expect to see it earned out be M : 2,000 annually-were being turned adrift upon society under parliament at no distant period. (Hear.) The bill ne t ; letters of license. The proposition which he now mule had hon. and learned gentleman been brought under the attention of the Duke of Newcastle divided into prospective clauses and rate retr - when he held office, but nothing had been done upon it. There clauses. About the first there was no g di me , :Me was little doubt but that great evils arose from the present on either side of the house. He admitted, hawse/7.2 system of tickets of leave, and had not the excitement of the retrospective operation of the bill was surronadM e - '.... the war turned public attention from it, the house would difficulties. (Hear, hear) His hoe. and learned frau have bad the matter forced upon its consideration. But, in (true Solicitor-General) had shown, however, th at .' truth, the war was the very reason for considering the sub- principle of retrospective compensation was M cotes ~, sect, for it afforded a means of dealing with the matter with natural justice and with the judgments of their:er; which mould sot occur in a time of peace. At the very time of equity. The hon. and 1 d member for Wele ot o e' whey these convicts, able bodied men, were turned adrift, however, said that the learned judges whom his hoc. e. without the means of doing anything for their living, the learned friend quoted, namely, Sir W. Gra n t and Lorna,' house knew that our army in the Crimea was suffering from would have started from their graves had they hug., want of men for the performance of duties which were now doctrine propounded that a tenant could claim mom u undertaken by soldiers, although not properly coming tion on being evicted from his lease. But Its ho e , s within the scope of military matters. He would therefore learned friend referred to evictions, not of tout, - ear propose that such of our convicts as were physically fit for lease, but of tenants at will, which was the teoure of si c the duty should be sent out to the Crimea. to act strictly as tenths of the farms in Ireland. (near.) The relationbetwa a labour corps only. They ought not to be used in any mi- landlord and tenant in Ireland was quite mutin g , litany duty, and their pay should be upon the task work aye- and therefore it might be necessary to have an encepee t , tem. He believed that by this plan at least 1,500 men could legislation. (Hear, hear.) The fact that the pro - , at once be sent out to the East. He hid consulted various landlords to the acreage of Ireland was smeller thee en persons upon this subject,who from their knowledge of these country of Europe was at the bottom of all the evils min men and the duties of a camp were competent to give an subject. (Hear, hear.) But what produced that atm u opinion upon the matter, and on all sides he had found the things ? It was because seven-eighths of the peopl e er proposition received with a certain degree of favour. He debarred by their religion from a right to the ?Moan , saw from a report of the proceedings in another place that it their native soil. (Hear, hear.) Ireland eru a purely Le was intended to send out a body of 2,000 navvies to the cultural country. True. But it was become your leer East. He thought that these men would not be so likely to legislation deliberately and intentionally destroyed:: be serviceable as convicts, for they would not be amenable rising manufactures of Ireland. (Hear, bear.) Tosst to military discipline-certainly not to the extent to which the people depend solely on the land, and you rude to convict labourers would be. He did not seek to raise a dis- land a monopoly in the hands of a few. (lieu.) It =lesion upon the question at that time, but he should cer many having no means of earning a subeisteem um tainly ta k e an opportunity of bringing the matter under the from the land, and the land being in the halide of ahe consideration of the house. the many were necessarily at the mercy of the few whop Sir G. GREY begged to observe, with reference to the the means of that subsistence in their hands. Too go proposal to employ convict' in the siege works, that there the landlords of Ireland en undoubted advantage out t were two classes of convicts, thou who having been tenant, and the landlords did what every man, as loaf: sentenced to three or four years' penal servitude had spent human nature was constituted as it WAS, would do, lc t their whole period in prison or on the public works, and race of competition for land, the Irish lendlord, with, those who had letters of lic nee corresponding to the ticket- design and without policy on his part, became I ofleave of the colonies. He thought it would be a very consciously absolved from the obligations to e hich lambs haeardous proposition for the house to entertain, that a in other countries were subject. We land became a wilde convict having served 18 months in prison should, on the nese, his estate became exhausted, and you had a Mimi strength of a good convict certificate while there,be permitted people compeing for the high privileg e of e arn i ng Skit to enlist into the army, and form part of its regular corps, subaistence from the land of their birth. (Chun) I but with the men who having spent three or four years had ttered, and had never entertained any *en on the public works, bed obtained a letter of menu disrespectful or disparaging to the landlords of li license, the cue was different. That class of laud. They were themselves, in teeny cases, the 'Moe men were expected to obtain an honest living the circumstances in which ihey were placed, and the in this country, and if it could have been done secretly it of impoverished landlords was to be added to the r might have been desirable to employ them in the works of an impoverished tenantry. (Hear.) The result wen: connected with our large military operations in the East. total disorganisation of society in Ireland. He was spa But the proposal to enlist them into separate c ups, to be ing of a period a good many years back, yet a on officered by gentlemen, bad been considered by Lord Pan- within the recollection of many who sat in the ha mure, who had come to the conclusion that it could not be There was no motive for elertion, no reward for enterpn entertained. With respect to that very useful class of men property became insecure, and even life itself was non called " navvies," the best answer to the bon. member's Such was the descriptir's of the state of Incised glen objection was the success which had already attended their toe Earl of Derby, himself a largo proprietor lo I employment in the Crimes. (Hear, hear.) In the con- country, and a good landlord. The peasant armed bl struction of the Balaklava Railway they had given the self against the proprietor, and the proprietor t most efficient aid to the military operations, and he was in- recourse to insurrection acts, arms aces, nip formed that any number of these men might he obtained for mon of the Habeas Corpus Act, and to mu, work not purely of a military character. law-on one side the agitation of the people, i Mr. MONSELL explained that when the artillery horses military violence OR the ether. (Hear) That state of ail were about being shipped in the Caadia at Woolwich, the happily passed away. The people improved in eondro captain remonstrated against the number about to be habits, and character, and the proprietors became ern put on deck, and the artillery officers present immediately a sense of duty. (Hear.) They bestirred themselves to! transmitted the objection to the transport board. With re- performance of their duties in a manner that did theta gr spent to the question about tents, his reply was that 2,000 honour, and a ground of hope was thus opened leo too single tents had been sent out since the beginning of the people. There never was en instance on record era dor year, the commander-in-chief having objected to double so sadden and so happy in its effects ; and it wu t tents. which cast upon them the duty and responsibility Motion withdrawn. fostering that change. (Hear) lie should be sorry indee TENANTS' COMPENSATION BILL. any party feelings prevented them from promoting it. (flu On the order for the adjourned debate on the second read- The question was, what coarse the house ought to ado In of this hill, He had shown that as regarded the principle of the I g the hon. member fur ,Kilkenny was, from the mama Dlr. GEORGE proceeded to oppose the farther progress of former parliaments justified in expecting that the be' of the bill. He said it consisted of three Wig, and to the ' . . would assent to the principle of the bill. (bear, ha last portion, which included the conselidation clauses, he had from expectations that had been raised in /ream, i no opposition to offer. To the retrospective clauses he question ought to be brou g ht to a settlement. Be Wm would never give his assent, as involving a violation of the that the government were most anxious to lend 'mud rights of property. There was one clause of the bill which their p wer The bill ope t venal, but not u rir would be Completely destructive of these rights, as upon their construction the interest of a landlord in a property biecti o one . d nnle w se as these n " r e e removed he w ri osid n i justified voting - fo r - it. Theyhad . w been told Matt worth 400. an acre would be Is., and that of the tenant 39e. fee l was too important a question to be left to a private mob (" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) He feared he must consider the government as assenting to these objectionable clauses Mei That might be true in ascerta i n respect, i nasmu c h u . oft vernment, from their command over the business until he heard to the contrary, seeing that it was with their consent that the bill had been intro- house, would be better able to forward it; but other , dared. In particular, he might mention the At- the question could not be in better hands than thou dr Sarney and Solicitor-General for Ireland, who had hon. member. At the same time, if the government gum in earnest in support of the bill, they could not object repeatedly declared that they could not belong to any go- - "rumen% which refused to give them earned member for Kilkenny. ' He regretted, and denied:the truth or, the statement made f on t that the measure should be is such a shape It perm i ssion to support take it up. They could not do so unless on two cond m ium the views of the hon. and l bit id by the Secretary for Ireland the other night, that the could honestly approve of and support ; secondly, t taking it up the had a fair prospect of carp i hear.) sag t e nominal relation of landlord and tenant in Ireland was one successful issue. (Hear, y He would state his groat of hostility, and that the tenants were weighed down by of objection. The first was, the bill pointed . , A, notwithstanding what c injustice and oppression . The SOLICITOR-GENER a certain class of improvements, for which i t propose d give compensation, lie thought all improvements for eh had been stated by the hon. gentleman who tut spoke, was prepared, as a lawyer, to Goateed that the principle of this bill, both in its prospective and retrospective clauses, was which might ,be,easily estimated; in the former thane . compensation was granted ought to be tangible mid mate consistent with equity, and natural and national justice • and buildings, wards, and boundary fences, the I the classes, u in the fora added drainage. ( Serjesnt Shee, " That w . 0 this opinion he would show was supported by the smtliority bill.") of Sir W. Grant-no mean edge of the principles of natural That might be, but he objected to allow i Tt eet Mon for al i pollution 'for reclaiming waste lands. His en le l - - Eldon-no „ mini , sionsuri ,,,,,i -s. that the 14th clot -' allowed - Redesdale. - justice and of equity; Lord of the rights of property ; Lord _ and of all writers and all expositors of the rules of equity and natural justice. When land was let to a tenant, there was an ex pectation on the one aide, and a belief on the other, that the tenant would supply to the land what was necessary for its beneficial occupation, and supplying it to the land, that he should be permitted to use it for such beneficial occupation. (Hear, hear.) If, then, a landlord allowed a tenant to make expenditure on land without warning, and, left him to entertain the natural belief that he might make improvements, the landlord ought not to bt allowed to dis possess hint and prevent his enjoying the fruits of his labour and money. Was not that the principle of the bill, and was not the condition of Ireland such that the landlord expected the improvements to be made by the tenant? and if the landlord stood by while those improvements were made, was there any other conclusion consistent with justice than the: the tenant should have an equivalent enjoyment and did not the tenant believe that he so acted under a tacit understanding with the landlord ? It was a principle of courts of equity that he who sought equity must do equity; and if a landlord came to those courts seeking to dispossess a tenant, he would not be permitted to do so till he had made the tenant satisfaction for his ex penditure. Mr. MALINB desired to enter his solemn protest against the doctrine laid down by the Solicitor -G 1. (Hear, hear.) Unless he had spent his life in vain, that doctrine was repugnant to every principle as held by the courts of equity. He was astonished that his hon. and learned friend should have cited Lord Eldon and Sir William Grant in support of it, and he believed that if those eminent men could have heard him, they would have started affrighted from their graves. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) Mr. DE VERE protested against this being considered a party measure, and urged upon the hon. and learned gentleman who introduced it not to treat it as one of country or of clam. Mr. J. 0. PHILLIMORE thought that the principle on which railway bills generally proceeded, that of destroying private interests for the public good, might justify this measure, strong as some of its provisions might be. He ob 'llestied, however, to the retrospective clause, to which ao limit of any kind was annexed. With that single exception, be should give his support to the bill. Mr. BENTINCK said the debate hitherto had been con gaed to legal gentlemen and to natives of the sister country. Without pretending to the legal knowledge of the one or the local knowledge of the other, he might be allowed to express an opinion that the bill did not emanate from those from whom it professed to come, and that it would not benefit thews whom it professed to relieve ; but that it had been got up for the purpose of political agitation. Ti.. re was a clause in the bill which would have the of eet of plundering bo.h landlord and tenant, transferring the amount of which they was robbed to the pockets of the country attornies. (" Oh, oh," and laughter.) Mr. HOHSMAN was surprised to find how forgetful gen tlemen on the other side of the house could be of what had taken place in previous sessions with regard to this subject. (Hear, hear.) These hon. gentlemen expressed such alto nishment and indignation at the government permitting even the introduction of a bill described to be so monstrous, in its principle and details, that one would have supposed ' the question of retrospective compensation had n been heard of till the bill of his hon. and learned friend; was, . ctause . compeniatioo provementa made before the passieg of the act. He add bi I by o n i s: :a n e wi respects t yth o clause would o b e uld iv considerable importance to the objection of the hes. e s her for Wexford as to the amount of litigation that it Se produce—(hear)—and the advantsgee that attended' suggest that a period should be fixed beyond &bleb s pollution would not run. (Hear, hear.) He would thanui g °r' e rice c e ° 0 2 . gut as an amendment that the amount of comput e should be limited to acertain sum—say so many yids' re the number could be determined in committee. He I considered that compensation ought never to be given to neat evicted for breach of contract, or Donley:out of n If these objections were obviated, the government vet I pared not only to give their support to the bill in du ll the other house, b u t t o fo r ward it by every in ' fa their powe r. He would not ask his hon. fie ete H rb e ilt o ia the member for Kilkenny to make these clot In his bill ; he left the question in the hands of house. The government were anxious to carry the mal be a successful issue, and not perpetrate a sham by eimade of a measure they knew they could not ear hear.) There were two parties to be could!!! landed proprietors of Ireland had the law on died at present ; they were asked to make great concersiow , to allow for improvements which had been models cases without, or even against, their consent and should not be pressed too far. On the other side, 1 . 1 who were anxious for the settlement of the tuition she in establishing the general principle, take are that questions to be brought before the tribunal establubS the act should be such as might be easily decided. government were prepared honestly and fairly to tat the bill if the provision to which they could not headily lent were struck out. If the house, thought that the ought to be received iato their hands with such 00 ,1 and limitations as that they could honestly suePatt see their way to a successful issue, they were VIP"' give it every support, both in that and in the other hot parliament, which it could derive from being in the I of the government. Having said thus much, he leave the question with the house. (Hear, hear.) Mr. DUFFY thought the bill came short of what required. Mr. SADLEIR supported the bill, as a greet step improvement of Ireland. Sir J. FIT3GERALD and Mr. KUNNEDY spoke favour. Lord PALMERSTON Sir, as there sees' t! ) , 1 an agreement as to the second rea ding of this t" no, no, mingled with " hear, hear," f ro m the Op tion). I did not say the agreement was noun (Laughter.) As the great majority of this beau App el posed to agree to it, I do hope the house will deters pass the mond reading this evening. (Hear.) The ! which her Majesty's government are prepared to take r gird to this bill hes been fully and completely exPalw my right hon. friend the Secretary for Ireland ; on thsti therefore, I have nothing to add to the statemeat ar,a ) has made. I differ from those who urge that this is proper time for settling this question ; I think, on th trary, that the present moment is one peculiarly farm for the settlement of it. (Hur, hear.) It it aq l which has agitated the public mind in Ireland for years past—which has given rise to great animosity! o f so speak, at all events to strong differences of quer