The Express. — London, England, 1858-05-14 00:00:00

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(Heir, lean) Oa the prima occastra, however, I am palpated to Mat* that as despatch has been riceived from I.erdComing Ming for immediate reinforce mate—nor bee say refuel boss eves by the Conn of Di rectors to furnish tamper% ist the ocaveysoce d troops to ladia. Wear, THE VOTE OF CENSURE, kc. Mr. LTOON gam Mini that to-morrow, on the moths in the adjournment of tM house till Monday, be would tall Macke to the inkirmaticis understood to have been with held tram the Board of CashaL (Rear, haw.) Kr. A. STEUART bad Ova sties of the following ma im, but in of the seise jmit given by the hes. meter, he Masi It mil the dimities which that motion world eve ties to male on. Ilia gentian was . To ask the deantary to the BOOM of Como' whether gemment ham yet sewed a amemiataka, auderetood to be addremed te the late Preithat at the (ii; lezird ig;. = so wayeet ef the pardmies of the of ladlatditelettra le Made; NM violist. w lmo nil be laid es the Mae of the hem P Lied A. VANE TEMPEST—I Mit to ask the Chas gibe Ezebetreer the quoits I hawit= ro l eb oa the ppw—whetim the melgaatim Lord bee been Ide own wt. or whethir it is pertly at to the or bawdy eapressed with of the goesrmat the the acele lad should NM, f Whether it fa tbe tomtits of the glover at to adopt the views eta • ia the &vetch of the seers committee to the Oomece- Oessesl in Council, 19th of April, 1868, or whether it is Ma Mention of the programs, to some the podgy laid dews fa the proclmsatioa of the Ooveracer-O of died ARAMs& 14th of Mask, Mfg? The CHANCELLOR of tie EXCHEQUER—I will 1111011.1 r the sable lord's nee ond question first, byr es that IWok, upon reheidss, mint feel, and that t honor will Nom Is Nat Milts Oat soh on *airy as is contained in that quelles is dr lie great a mope, sad too importest te armed la the Ant of • reply to • = di but that the odpitortion should r athe r be in the him °fa meths, es in that form only ma 1. by the regulations of the bee" enter into those statensita end emplumallem which are teremeary for the eimidatits of the Weed. (Meer, him) I WWI *Min waft to the was held that he should tit as opipootalty a oraboltlists a min to times to S. Wl* mead to the other quer lies, lAM the sable had Sad the most anthanie moist of the meth= Net Mimed lard Elleaborongh's rosigeotics, add dieimintost dig led to it, in the frank sod swmweawe vide test odds lord roonatly delivered laW plena poilintoll. (Maw ) Thom the noble lord who his map Ws logoky se kora that even the Met alkekter nes ist Immo of Na adds lord's rentmatios natal that migneties bad Woo lid at the feet of her Majesty. (Row _km) I Iwo so do& that the motive whioh led LON Nembwoofth to Mho that—not tuicasstiimicatal, but ueessei--esime wee, that he knew if the question wen put to Me selmgme, their high regard for his personal qualities, and skit odultallos able palm, would have induced them umniseeniv iir e Use reignmed him to withdraw from his interns , Mr.) Mr. NB DIGATE roes to put a question to the right hos. pithier& the member for Northampton, whi c h h e hoped the Woo weld permit him to rhos with • ex - piessleep obterrations. (" Olt," sad Order , order," end tatots.l_ _ Tbo 11P1111111t having intimated that the hon. member timid mawk sU to potting N. qualm. Mr. NIWDICIATZ e . astia;ll, s. teeied . hie quokka ea the hew that bed boa shelled be `bolo theteleseo— Nritrooder")—ead he thee* hoese—("erdiromler," end shoseo)trooll seed so holier men he ids the qesoloe. (Criss of " Queothea") quiet= Y hoe brew : —To aek the rigid boa. matesbee tk Meth wutiloa the lett govemene reeelted= he heee to hew seek a het eibromi to he Web sad behablente Oulds yid: to sow Whew poehement, or het preehmedea. Mohr the Leo epereesoweet were emeed by Lord Craig se le Her pellog el Webs nob e proehmetioo, or of my waseeme tar the tin pi ..beC if the late merman* woe therillemed v oseoalbel et what period 4k* etheike woe Ire mid to tie ordthet, sad what were the him eel eaten of he enimilsethotobetwess the hill 1101111111Mii mid the governance of ladle thereon ? Mr. V. lIMITH—I shall ho happy to mower the quelita of the hon. enthuse if the home will iodate. me by %Bow leg to to make the explanation he has alluded to; het if that is ossuary to the repularity of the order of proceeding, I will, with the pormation of the house, postpone that answer until the discussion comes on upon the noble kers motion. (" lie on, go awry I thiak that would bs the mom essvisiont corr. ("Hoer," end ease of "Go es.") If It Is the wish of the house I as have so objection to rtve the expiration now. (Hew.) The guestion of the hos. gendreeth n far sit it rare with me, I of course can answer but as mirth the conduct of any of the lots is government of cows ,snot mower ibr any of my late collsogum (Bear, bear.) My memo to the los. gesehriales resetise, then, is thin I rseaved a private letter, dated March I, from Lord Canning. the understanding of which I will gently state. But tint I would my a red with regri to rivets emarnsitorome The mess, of erninthiostieg between the Gloresee-thineral—that Is the government of India—sad the President of the Board of Control la this: the Indian goversment emsansicates either through the Bawd of Diroctore—which is the public and official mode of com munication ; or through the secret comuiirtee—whieti Is a board of seerecv ; or by private letter—which in obviously the meet oonddeatiel form of communication of all. I am fully prepared to admit in its billert sum that every et-minister, or, in short, soy mm who bean aaything that is mivantagtione or detritnestal to the public) service ii bound to coainannicete it to the mutieter of the doy. But there u thin reserve in regard to private C3Oltall ninrioas, that we are not bound to do anything to betray ths cosidgess which private commusicatioes imply. Tint is the limit I would lay down with regard to communicative's between ma ez-minister and the minister of the day. Kyles. not milts irevieg Milos was to rend Lord Bileshorsegh • pri ests letterwhich I had received from Lord Elphinetonei, which he retuned to me without lbeervatios or remark. But es regards Lord Craning, be stood on a thferent f ; he wee my public aglow" bet he was also my private and bin COOMMIIIiCatIOOIII thssoloro were more private, mews hairnets, and more confidential thin those which came to as has °thin with whom I bold tidal conuspondsece. I did en 4 thing" mod ca Lied Enraborougth Lad Cs= raw War. ("Misr, hoar," sad "oh.") But is la=l ossotally esislisd to sea if there was anything I sada to sousooksto to the government. Tim corainasiteliaewhkithee UN alluded to in iim.ther plooosad to which so oaks porlossa I think. has been wag, es lbw" rid. Im dr ebb alltarcla 6, and it when I wsselmat la Wood. I do not, however, advance that os tiogrossoa for art etrenunimiting the letter to Lord rug I. may awismissaria of • private sad anibloold Wan. Bat to It Ow use oadoobrady a pis= which Lent Graft add : " I island N boas a etas to lisp Toloshlos awl oat loadholdusa el Owls disk oil Nob yea eliddly in Ul ekr ds Had lipid le lose eseespeded hy se bid sew eyed badness bee too llos to thee sat 11 = 11. day to day pne Lettiolm_doioc; The latter did ad mono to so the & wocJasat any erapraration of It. If la Akar do too an or the aim, have for ...rasa r yrodirosoiss or tio ezplaaation I had ao reeshed Yram soranataat. (Haar. boar.) Bat at the eioratosik appered to no them, sad It as t : am o so that the ommia w tios sot of that that it was redeldle sos to communicate with t owersorat spas thoodimeL (" Ob„ oh," sod • laugh boa the obis. Irak! horain.) U boa. godson 'Wok it wee, will M good sew & N lii ow abet was ths sod ot adios I vas to oohs to Led t (Resr 4 t d ai Was I lo bed bin I hoed FM:Oft del be bud yektkily a dompoesh tram LordOodol t body there wet so .wooly ha dist. Mawr, bor.) Or we I N say he Lord Lod bad at ms s la vate lat ilka t i r l et th la IratedSlr i Z a dompso karma di olds* be b pri- oil sot me, sad alike, fro aloft I knew, is ofght sot mad That geoid hoe boo opolly a work at (Hear, bor.) desk is esosslea N Lord eu avoid ad way lave bin eedsso, bat Wood boortiased— (hsor hot)—eedi Lod 3llemhraaer is tho hot MS laths world es whoa 1 Amid 'lob to Bioko sa ispotheal isso osaisallm. (amen sod laughter.) And why i nay so t Board lor way so this ground that I amid eoseasad esio—l boo odd, " I bar yos % too Led Cooks, bet ea* I m ay a l al = itat istomparaoto soil mobsolo—C" oh. so," a m load I as. you me abed N at eypewe diss auk. gpsiggiLirlihOlig Mirka ao OM wspeoatwa at the ow egos oldie bd wood Lad Cla lassded the m = notticra (Hems..) hay If 1 hod dm dot, Lod roods would hate k ea lopordosat sommedoilos —and so It would boo , brair)—&" Lard Mier Mimi* tam as oil, sod thas I de, that the esa soat Wit etemootolooled how ladle le to sad hem earredves esto dem by ran poorrood, sod Mips ihr words—olostisse wry deg sies broad gab. notions ddo soaves sod some whke laihroosil shoo ado. hal whet I tho emso dab I' It is that tbs Oiwousr- Naomi ssemmodoeso suldi do ham oigIIMIIIM b wild cesidasos del bb ado ell be oleos* by toes with Jahr mat, seed" oodiesdloa. Thosdhee It is do be Irequeraly nob detratelm. dada. Idol isso boa duo with:sat say soli of aspideelisa whOsior. (Hr, bor.) It=ri LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, MAY 14, 1868. Tkte fruldeo Teel peribetty well knows to Lord Elks eerough. II wee Mown to Ida, t3o, thee mother source of eoweleaioatket with the Governor-Oeseral is this—that the Goveracw•Omersl commtanicates to the chairman of the Dlreolors aaythiag of importance at the same time as he communkalas it to the Board of Control, and I had • 'right to suppose that the same mall that brought the tom m;Waiden to ine would. If the information was of any valm sa conainunlowed it to the ohairman of the East India Com m psny, with whom the noble lord was in constant ' communication. Therefore I contend that, looking at the hater as a private lousy, and min el how little importance the information it ooaveyed was, I wee justified In not for warding it to the noble lord. (Haar, hear.) I should add that I read it immediately I maim; it to my sable friend the member for Tiverton—(toned theses from the adulate tial benches)—to whom it Hd not war any more than to myself that it was heels.,' to make lie communica tion to the government. (Renewed ironical cheers from the erne quarter.) I am perfectly prepared to justify the cour se I hays pursued In not making the ommunkation, sad I feel not the slightest regret that I did not do so. (Hear, hem) I believe I was per fectly right in thinking that what was told to me In a pri ' nes War was of so etch Importance as to render It nieces !g that It should be communicated to the government. I as, =yam tow how my not baring made th e communist lion le thm could ham elhoted their decision in say way with regard to the presentees ; and if they say that it would or could have doss so, then I must express my wonder that before acting is the metter,'they did not inquire In every merle where informedios was to be obtained whether any seek ommenticatlea had been revived. (Oh, oh.) Mr W. FARQUHAR—Weenie that letter addressed to tol ar r i bewinela pitimisa Pnisideat et the Baud of ; and he remained In that alas wookl apt the bah of the peoalmensiss and the letter have, u • meter at omits% case le his at 06 same moment ? Mr. V. SMITH—Of mune. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—Mr. Speaker, air, It would be for the convenience of the Mass If the lea. menlow for Ciskei City would ekes us in whet form he binds to bring forward his motion —whether as an arnesdasent on ping into oommittee of supply, or as a stth steads, melte ; Imams In the latter ems it will he seam airy for ms le move to-night that seem of modes ham precedence to-morrow over the orders el the day. (Hear.) Mr. CARDWELL—I iedsesteed the arrasement to be that I was to have to-morrow for the psepoes of bringing forward my motion. (Hear, bear.) W ith regard to the form, It stands upon the older-beek as a ontUailw.otioa, and in that shape fleeted to bring it an. (Hear.) Mr. B. GIBSON—WiII it come oa In the sane wards as it sow stands upon the order-book ? Mr. CARDWELL—ExactIy. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that notices of motion have precedence over orders of the day to morrow (tide day), which was agreed to. OATHS BILL. Lord J. RUSSELL brought up the report of the com mittee appointed to draw up reasons for disagreeing with the Lae& amendment to this bill. The report wee read at the table as follows " L Bemuse the words on the true filth of • Christian' was eriginally latrothmsd in the oaths to be taken by mam boed parliament with • view to bind oertain Roman ca tholic% sled were sat inisaded the purpose of excluding 'l7 of British subjects from meats ?Emma eel ellen `tie state, on the ground of their i rell e = ma„ . sentrary to the gerund maxims of " J. Deseisse ao charge of disloyalty or ualleeess for public employment sad • fair 'hare of legislative payer has been alleged, OF eon he Abed, spinet the Jewish eenunueity. " 4. Beeseros the Indlledise of diteklities any class of her 1114• We seidente eel* a• die geoaai et their ces schmelses Wrisesas ee tads Nth emir, d peasenilen, and 61 teeelly insenletent wih these prieelplee of liberty eltheb, le the sere of more powerful oomn have bees apple! I T rellemed with such happy abaft 6. Blesees gre Osman, hayloft already upon ten pre view eserisne. Wive parllameuta, passed bills for re /weft Iles del Meeleltlee of the Jews, and having of late yeses 1181•114 10 Ma Ms b constantly Increasing majorities. ere saw ellemel that the opinion of their ocessti manta and of the esemley re imp, bee been Irrevocably pronounced in &veer et the sessr al seek disabilities. "& ismassall7 illgram b;;;7•Cipported by maay of Uri not miaall umbels at both Hawes of Pwilanwat, who, wham dlibilor upon other political questions, have con of Qs Jewcord bi the . judos sad expediency of oweetwee for the relief 7.teoinse the right of the doctors of th. United King dom have been peculiarly affected by a law which has bast conolordes pstant the admission to the Home of Commas MI prawn that have boon lawfully returned u monsters of bora. '4.ltieraus the let and tad and 3rd datum of the bill are era to the construction that the new oath which the former of them mittens, should be taken not only in all cease where the cattle of allegiance and supremacy are at prompt required, though without the oath of abjuration the ranalt of which ocastroetion, If the bill should pass into law without the 6th dame, would be to etched' the Jews from practising as soli citors and barristers, end from Afore under the crown, to which employmenis and offices they are now admitted. "9. Bemuse each result would be contrary to the intent tkm of the two homes of parliament appearing from the 6th them, awl haw the tide of the bill under cmaideeation." Kr. NIWDEGATE, in intimating that he did not wish to give the Imam the trouble to divide against the adoption of the means advanced by the committee for disagree* with the Lords' amendment in regard to the 6th damn wee anxious br it net le be supposed that he bad in as y way shared es maillied it opinions , or that he:abandoned the b lend= et andemenring et the proper season to carry them eat. It was sixty in deference to the feeling of the majority that Le did not now take a division. ml eisses were thenpalZiabdopted. MASTERS AND WORKMEN BILL. Yr. slaciiiiiiirii;vii4;.7da;.;;;;Ei..din g of this Mr. Seoreetry WALPOLE suggested that it would be bettor not to mooted with the measure in its present form, The object of the bill was unquestionably good, viz. : —to provide • menu for mean:ring the Marmon which arose be tween meters Nod workmen by arbitration. At present there masa law in mimesis for that purpose, which provided that when each disputes moos it might be refereed to two justices to appoint arbitrators composed of masters and work. men. Bat it appeared soots difficulty had arisen on the pert of the manors In acting upon that law, and it had in esesemsease beset inoperative. The object of the bill, as be mderneed It, was to make that principle operative which aimed in the act of Oeo. IV., but which for the 110101111 he bad stated was not operative at present. The essmiseency which was to elect • trtbanal which was to bind mem and servant wee to menet of the inhabitant housebobline within • redline( eve miles of where the (om en is to elk sad the workmen who were not householders in W mime Meant , and the oily way of ascertaining whether amen wee a workmen wee by certificate trout his emplopw. Whaling court was odeoled it would be found impomdble to sake it work. The aide in which the vote was to be tags wet by a 14/0w of birds. from which there was no appeal. He pat it to no lea. =mbar whether it was possible to maks sea • bibead week. Be thought he had said sotßdet to ledge the boa. patiema to think he wain:stilted to asking Mee to moonsider the mode et carrying out the object he h is view, id be lapel be mild withdraw the bill. Br. MACK DIMON was sadormod to ray that the right his. _ reitleema adeeitted that the object and purpose of the hal were awing', bengal the meigury tr.s objec tionable; bat tint we as dienka to the rasa' "wag biome the onsbasery amid be mended la a select commit tee speedos. LLIOI7CHERE add he had post newt for the rtsstlsa g his hos. Mind end the peraegrasc• with whisk be lid aathavoired to bead& the working classes, bat eta Mrs me so subject non delicate sad nee with regerd to Midi the house Maid take nore owe is &Meg rhea the Mutate betties mast awl widows. He behind It would be impossible Is —dates to ends Oh • melds, MIL Oaty Magni • minim el Ms basbilmte of a Muni whits a Drina radii", is whitey • am dbands • nand wee to be appoisted. It was lap edble est suit • tribunal meld satiMactorily deal with mob a Mime ism dia. Be was sot very minas with regard te the ice to be pridand by glee gown otaciliatios, bat me "mg to be taken V they way aignind, don they gong bo er tabliged ea the beet Isothig. He was entree that • geed eydim ef Medea Mans mete end animas gag/ sett; bat be beim. that oath a Ouse of things mug be bettor tended agg at bigwig gonathet. espocisUy tot= isone good ma sad igeninosee of the dims. Of this et inst be mime, that it would sot be meg mond to Wile by mass of thde bal. Kr. HI NLNY add gm we only an in Mite be wished to ad the Minim of in Moomasie ,Bead appe llee. He agreed with his right baseighle Mug die Klan In believing that the wawa Inpanat wirebtsary ar like it add not week. Hew, go bin was se ge bammide wadi eat be Ale to ht mean ettellm as the wyit rt media; bog. If he Mk draw it, be .IgM. V I we pat into bona dope. to-intro duos it shim Inginne bed I ealigniarily proved that the gaged mega= is calk belie aegis true did at nib then to sone to sand Miami in air of diagraming betwess meter sad waigna. Be biped the his. lingines wadi withdraw the MIL Kr. MORAY, eltbespe be in the vesant t his his. Meg in wYhiaw the yet did sot think esildiat ewe had bun glees for eased reading being =Whoa lie bin wee bring the Hone eer that the minim how as the eggs* ef settee magma lambs' manding. end Me hewing import eay animee that hid anewlmat Ns igen It wee Ng by the gilt ben asiabert hi Timm Mt them wee • peat norms I. latedgeme awl andenikia of the =Maim and se thabt din vet ; It "sly Int mines mil Wham absidd be Medd new dm la wen le pat es end le me beemos son On Valid be tang by n erd masaile of omeillotios. Om Wag wee non Manna is this bll, ma that we that it =i Medi& • moment body to deal with disputes menlemeed wean. One of the canon of strikes often was hi dank of rotting proper persona to arbitrate between angieffere eld employed. If the President of the Board el Tide wend glee an iatimation that he would take into conederetlem whether some permanent tribunal mipt not be eMaidlid Mild disputes might be rain* his hen. hied might eargratulate Wand( on having dome mar geed toes the dame he had in hand. Mr. A. TURNER objected to the bill, not only in the M imi Of dm employer, but of the employed. There had been for many years a growing feeling of conciliation between meters and workmen, which ;would only be interrupted by legislation. He believed that any snob meddling legislation would de mere liana them good. Mr. KIRK was opposed to the second reading on prin ciple. Besides, the reams given by the Home ilemeary were oneolosee spinet the bill, minly, that it multi sot work. 8o far from the bill tending to promote the intenete of workmen. it would be injurious to them in the end. Mr. MACKINNON then withdrew the bill. JOINT STOCK COMPANIES BHA.. Mr. HAM:HAM moved the second reeding of this bill. Mr. BLACK moved that it be reed a second time that _day sin maim He mid that one of the arguments en which the toopoiol to rad the bill a second time was based ma, that the holm had already sanctioned the principled limited liability.' Hs tisk w ar that in ordinary companies under • spies d idled the business was carried on by tha compemy's eim septa ; whereas In banking it was avow dip:mile. by ibeespital deposited in • bank. Unless those who Mit en themselves the respoesdbility of establiehing beaks noted them with prudence and caution great in jury result, not only to Individuals, but to the public, aa 169 duty of too poetic to No that the 'mist eballeinellem TW mild net be obeeined min a of limbed liabilltT l lth fa every must wee to the badness of Mr. Fnituor, to sossotgos tits aeotmotonst, eeeM the principle on which the bill wan founded unsound. Mr. DRUMMOND remarked that a most entmordinary deception wee pmetised in many large tome by what were called banks of deposit. He held in his hand no lee than seven advertisements which had been published by them M ediations, offering a high rate of Interest with ample semity. The result of the system pursued by these banks met be ea enormous Mama of the trade in paper money, for there wee no way whatever in which the promised rata of interest could be mimed but by flying kites. It was, in fact, a plan of unlimited olrouladoa. (Hear.) Ifir R. CARDIN believed that the bill would have a toast injurious effect on many of the beak. now In existence. He thought a new system of banking ought to be eetabillied, because there had lately sprung up a number of WU* banks of discount, which were as much banks as those which were limited. They received money on deposit, paid by c and did the same buntings as other banks, with onlylr l orM per cent. of capital paid up. Bir W. DUNBAR said if it was fair to allow limited liability in any trade or birdmen he could not conceive any reason why the business of banking should form the only exception. Kr. BOVILL said he believed that if joint stock banks were to have limited liability extended to them the effect would he ruinous to depositors and creditors. This bill was nothing morn nor lees than an attempt to protect the share holders and directors of hanks at the expense of the public. Mr. OURNIY should oppose the second reading of the bill, though not from say oonviction that its principle was unsound. At the same time he was not yet satiated ea to the moms of the experiment which was now being tried. air O. C. LEW I Sthought no valid distinction could be rota bliehed between banks of deposit andother trading meociations with respect to the principle of limited liability. end he should therefore be prepared to give his vote for the second reading of the bill now before the house. (Cheers). At the same time, he wished to guard himself against ban supposed to think either that the princile of limited would be extensively introduced intojoint stock Making, or that it wee desirable to give any legislative ea t to the increase of joint stook beaks at the aspen'sprivate ones. In the first One, the bill was simply a permissive one; and In coundering whether it was likely that the existing hanks would avail themselves of It, they most eek what it was that had led to the development of their operations, until they had at length assumed a gigantic character f The Nana we. pasha. The public at large trusted them beaks became they oared to depositor, the unlimited natality of large bodies of wealthy shareholders. (Cheers) If, there fors, they wen to limit that respendbittty, one of the strong est mourn the public had for trusting them would undoubt edly be withdrawn. (Haar, hear.) It was not thus likely that limited Make would be able to sustain a competition with those which were militelted. (Hear, hear.) With regard to his seeend preposition, it must be evident that m ime the directors were men of great honesty and ability the loterests of the therehoiders wale exposed to great risks. (Hear, hear.) A large body of the shareholders of a Meth had practicallp so knowledge whatever of It.. mamas. They were incapable of forming a clear judgment of the se counts submitted to them, or of the mhos of the securities which they saw placed anumpt the meets of the bank. If anybody wished to object to anything his month was lastingly stopped by his co-pro pension who told him that if took that course he would pe the he credit of the concern, and be inimical to his own interests. In short, there was no person more helpless then the shareholder of a joint stook hank who had doubts above its management. (Cheers) Unleie be could obtain in formation confidentially from the very pumas whom he thought he hid reason to suspect he could do literally no thing. (Hear, hear.) As for the directors, the shareholders exercise very little discretion in their choice. Those who were elected in the room of the directors that were retiring were for the moat part proposed by some member of the based itself; sad ea in some banks there was a feeling that it wee inexpedient that the concerns of the depositors should be known to a large body of directors, the acceptance of es entities wee practically decided upon by the manager atom or by some small number of the bond. (Hear hear.) It followed, therefore, that by the very constituti on of a joint stook beak the caalidence which shareholders reposed in the directors must be a blind one, and one act founded upon any socurste knowledge or information with respect to the camerae or managemett of the beak. (Cheers.) This wee the resin why it happened from time to time that the affairs of joint stock banks fall into discredit. What the shareholder really expected was that without any trouble or any nail, he should have the high profile of trade cceginel with the security of an investment in console. (Loud ahem.) That was really no exaggerated description of the views which many shareholders in joint stock banks entertained when they became pertain la such hank& (Hear.) Stich being the cam it must unfortunately happen from the mien of the directors, sad hi same came trim their yenta y, the shareholders might dad themealves suddenly called upon to mike good losses end to invildi the affairs of an insolvent bank. Hader the ezisimgCt the lose fell ea the slusehaidese ; but It the pria- Mile of limited l kthty won extended to banks the loss wield he divided bather the shsteholder and the depositor ; sal Vas diessires risrmity armed into that IMO he meld sr see say ideates to it. tinder th e se .n serierom, net hiss at all blind to the greet detects which appered aMr rimer da the oosetirtios of joint stook beau ad est Waft se glue them ray =duo legislative protease yr inewraposat, bat merely to put theca on the err trig ea ether Mari referdoes, bc. should give his we he the semi maws of the bill. (Load cheers.) Kr. ILALINB add he believed that the bill, If It beam law, woad be undo use of by may of the welageg end warren esessnis ; bet he thought thee meth use le he beret so if OW are woe se rasp. doss' eue. It wee sold that the bill Mirka the directors of their reepoweibilley ; but he wet That resent events W dues that ressessid tetp sfislM imp thde ✓emily dart sot • tisk erseleesels er the pare. (Her.) NU, fa rest be impellea thist Mufti vie resrally shin from the iserst pospoliss, sad they mere them rift repels b ths loser et *dramas& (Beer, hear.)) The business of thrift being in wee eater peon. her, be did Not Wig thst time of tee MR would sirs to a remove of third epee. • PM. Trios right b eebembl iel L a ts sir thee caber MU &the capital eleseld at up; se lie ere et meythlug bap- Misltise isle hid mode be bid le news. (Hear, u. He (Mr. Hillet4 should give his hearty support to 14TILITER rid that the nuppred aid of the Wow tin hed bra adetakor air C. Lewis .used that * weld Malley euelisaes fa err bear ant leder. at what had rusty taw *lbw of Ow May al /WM Bassi Ark. dam Limped leak, fire lawersahrafeed District Beek, and al Ws ern Beak it lisedosa— ' every cre west brow that asellasese hire baste led two whoa* The Bair is= paid dividends of illa. red 1 bet then wee se weed of the creditors beteg rid tell. • drier wok leek Oboe with the Glassurimilmilleak. Thsannegares was thats:sone won newilirg se deport OW wow k banks on this priadpb. till lb. Warn reward le remit the hankies bedew brag sere en se what was slt to be a jut wed parrs* read poled/lb (ber, hear.) Beaks el wilirited irdifitp lad bes el as eiherigs te the sersarry ; bet &we woo peat dissamaspo ea sew Ida Thsy bad seryed mine aselliree, set Wm the predwe el the isoregowel, bet wing l re e the 1 priors noserree el Ws ahrelidlirs. It wee arab= that re bide el dr Wester !leak of asstlead had bees Me esented fa die Cl* aft rears Mr. Taylor woe the we nagsr, bat brews the Mews. Baird z lrlte a =so=l es le persona vet by brow IRMO balm) TM ammo to whir fhb sear= lad dieresdei bale Wowed theft had been dose seyy brew. lb. Pal' awe were rale to their last shilang. *we Ow redder arse rat whit mow bed bona rower I. isessres ' end ether ineores, sad which bed is as midi deur eh isalaril the ire was. (Her, bar.) He by ao mew three Oat the liestel‹: Welder was bee Lbw blare i isie rare that it sibeded too per Iraq da Imam _relit, by snowy ea Was wed= ' east Wes Goma hod t een en the whole attimasisr 0 the eawery. Se essoldwal en d margereat el the Wester Beak • erred lierese, a war this 1 wild to be rigidly inquired W. I. biped that thesiellealsf (Stamped id. AdditiosaL) remagemaa weskl be fully brought to light, and that • mamba of the whole system would ems. Joint sleek banks should be required to produce annual statemasta of their stake, pooped, authenticated ; and them should be made public. He would take this opporhustty of urging as the Chancellor of the laelsequer that the shareholders of the Western Bank should be authorisexi to sell their privilege of issuing notes ; the oouutry had been deprived of a &muta tion of 337,00 W , and about 60,000/. alight be realised to the distressed shareholders. Mr. J. C. EWART wu of opinion that if the liability of banks was limited they would not discount in the reactor saner they now did. The stoppage of the Lirerpool Be rough Bank had been precipitated by its discounts b p e e da tt re• Axed. He was opposed to any legislation on the so thinking that if beaks were compelled to publish Matements the public would take °are of themselves. Mr. H. B. SHERIDAN refarra to the ease of the colt). 1 nisi basks, which had limited liability, and which were very saccassfully managed. He thought It was rather the pia- I geof unlimited than of limited liability that was ou its Mr. SPOONER said he should vote for the bill. (Hear t hear.) He was decidedly opposed to the principle of limited nabGity, bat as it had been established by the legislature in certain awe, he would make it general. (Hear, bear.) - - The CHANCHLLOR of th; IXCHHQUER Tidied to give the reasons, in a few words, why ha should support the mond reading of this bill. (Hear, hew.) It appeared to him that the object of the bill was to terminate • restriction. A principle had been adopted may finandly, both by p•rha meet and the country, and applied to all trades end occupations of tommerce. An exzeption had been wads, be timer, originally from a plausible and pruden t'sl feeling,hut tee which could not be vindicated on any aid white no exprienes of the operations erg bank longer Jewry. (Hoer.) H. agreed with almost all who had preceded hem, that the discussion ought not to involve any investigation of the soundness of the principle •f limited liability. (Hear, hear.) It was not now before the house; they had solely to reedier whether the applica tion of that principle should may longer be withheld from the beeriness of niting. (Hoer, boar.) It appeared to him that all the complaints that bad been made ea to the hardship to creditors in the event of the failure of a bank of limited liability would have no be ndatlea whatever, if that sufficient warning were given which they knew practically could be given. No doubt it was a great question whether this exten sion of the principle of limited li•Wity would be of much advantage or not. He oonfesesd he could not help thinking that it would be • very difficult competition for banks founded on limited liability to contend with those on the principle of unlimited liability. (Hew, hear.) Should it turn out that the latter continued to command the confidence and suet of the public, no great danger could result from the ap plica tion of ibis principle and the termination of the restriction ; but if, on the other hand, the abuses of the prin ciple of unlimited liability which were flagrant prevailed in public opinion, no one could deny that the result of paring this bill would be to eareurage • tendency to prudence in the public mind. (Hear, hear.) Theodore, either way— whatever alternative they took—if the bill wan not prods.- tin of row very great der, they 'radii only be in the ease position as they were before—while, if it did produce con siderable results, the consequence would be more prudent conduct on the part el the community, and is the general moass tof banks. (Hear, haw.) Therefore, it seemed ta ama that there was no sound principle on which they could waist the second reading of the bill. He agreed with Sir C. Lewis that the position of the note holder was a peculiar one, and that some legislative rota tire should be provided fur him. It was a practical objection to the bill on a former occerton, that this protection was not riven, but it wss sufficiently provided by this bill. Al the bill MI drawn, however, there wee one objection to It It had a retrospective infl uence. (Hear, hear.) He did not think that the shareholders of any bank now established on the principle of unlimited liability should have the power, under this till, of lessening that which their creditors would suppose to be their principal securit. It might be said by those who referred the wenrity of - unlimited liability, that there was no rent probability of the change Pled ' end on the other hand it might be said that soma would pea such • change. At any rate it was founded injuries that the creditors of any bank now established on the principle of un limited liability should not, against their own will and comet, find their security changed into one of a limited character. But if that objection were held to be valid, that could be re medied in committee ; therefore It was no reason for opposing the kith The bill appeared to him to be the remarry eon sequence of that principle in our commercial legislation which bed been already sanctioned. (Hear, bear.) He did not think It necessary at present to give any opinion upon the soundness of that great principle; but it bad been urged that the principle of limited liability in commerce had not been sufficiently tried. It might be perfectly trus that they had not sufficient data before them to draw a sound conslualon as to the excellence of that principle. It might be that they should have ultimately to retrace their steps. Bat granting all that, and he only assumed it for the asks of argument, there was no mem why they should not apply that pare cide to banking. Because the experience of moulded st ear loft times induced them to believe that they bad bar Li tar once, there was no reason why they should not reran their stops in regard to banking as well as to commerce. There lore, believing that there was no valid reason for opposing the second reading of this bill, he should give his vote in ita farm. (Hear, bear) The =ornament was negatived without a division, and the bill was reed • 'send time. The oonunittee was appointed fur Wednesday next. CHURCH RATES ABOLITION BILL. The hour. then watt Into commutes ;;this bill, by ad j ourn meat from the 21st ult. On the questios that tassel, be armed to, Sir J. TRELAWNY said Ite wished to cowed one or two oshappreltandons which appeared to lave attain tn the farmer debate. 111118T•001 had bean made to • return of the parishes in which church rate. had been refused in the last 16 years, and it wee said that these parishes were very mall fa another. But it should be remembered that there were a greet many other instances of large towns and popu lous arab" where church rase had bean successfully re. stood below the period to which the return applied. Church rates had manly ceased in Manchester for 20 years peat ; and recently when it was unwary to repair the cathedral, 5,0001. was subscribed. ln Tavistock, church rates W awed for more than tan years; nobody lad thought el re- Wood acing them ; and the church wee repaired in the most satisfactory manner. Another yr Vast church rates were a charge upon the liZra t is be denied. The law of church rates was /molded apes the assumption that every person in the pariah used the = church ; and since the decision in the Bralatratere, rata could not be levied in opposition to a majority of the raayers. Therefore the notion of their being a Ina ape lead was afeanally disposed of. A panda had ben pa to Dr. La minaire= whether church rates could be enforced at all. Hie opinion was that they could, If properly laid ; bet the means o(4l4o°e:deg these, having bass obsolete for 160 years, could not be employed with advantage. There were numeral instances of churchmen complaining of the burden of church rata, though this had been denied oat • former oceadon. It had bees asked by Lord John Russell bow they could have • national church without some salami mans of It wee to make it • na tional dwelt that ha wished to get rid of await Mee. It. thewaht it neoessery is ark* theft few remarks en the subject eights rows, ea& should Le willing to adopt any which would Improve the bill. m r.. d eirilrFlTH Oat la large towns it might be possible to Jeep the awler le repair by mem of voluntary astribwdews, but so see seek expect that that would be the ease le the lea thermal atentry perishes of Zegised. The sees was paid la len /Web= Is pedestly voloweary semere, ft was, la pet* id id, peg eel ed property. U the _ ta stee et the 1111 ewe Misled •sy dwell sok Mr en imed. fieberetrol Moth Bodoeilod Midair the booth and essedithint ihrithee fa wished for the satire *balks of church ratee " r il i r brZ meters is the part of the emery with which be wee ear aloud Ad wet ego the esteem view ea ibis geodes whisk bee. pewskrese. They 'waned a aoss. =tele se by grewe peteiple we bulbul. Mr. MIAMI oil that hi the Nth thpesed to meths toy =id.* Ares as this sabgeik bet Aar new espeelothe thou pother my ether boa. po la thst the" be woe to the booth conelaken tha so owepresebe of Ms garden wield be satidectory. It wee with that view be pee soda of the thiralithrt width Mood la the a p= dr. lee ewer. He wee theme to meth the vibes isea, se sir es lie mid& es endeleetly with the Mow be ethortathed .• bet 100 add met uthetht oaf which youth go to man the &Mathes Isseetha ieitherse lad thimine peoparL Ho thourbt that to same der onion then awe " idling to the Mardi arrivey bat to webs than ppaqp he the repair of the cow& table, the to sae • deetssilen fee *the thee woe se itatheith. boa. emits were goody to =Sew theihnothe loth ibis li ,they ought equally to view Ira fries the other. (Haw, bow.) Apith, Seth •10 to towns whore is hese abillMudie dui le n e ws it is the , was to ere a Ive vim el the OW* of Ragland. When 0001. woe wthielleNed by &Meet of CrWinging Way to the pour demo le aw smart at diet boil art to believe diet the mob= of the bria Mt Ensfori weal gam dander he AM fate Mop. (Hem, bum) It 1,118 MOUS 1114 admitgyz ce thr ig o i r oat of the Aura Mee bodies the Mole. (Her, beer) Ole ad the . Wed k ens probeide that wet aloe Mrs troth to the weir tithe eltarebew end was It weressery or deli table to bap up • asthma sore sad deem la =may pettier of leered es seseest et emit a paltry woe t Meer, hem. ) It woad be fir better to let the law aloes thee dew it by ray egoism width should leave molt s sauteefieelemeset 4 the . (Hoer.) Dory wall sot de a more disteweee tbieg iben to wart taw chord tabs and ether property raved ea the ease boded. Maw.) Wes that reverty which 'add be Maws& by a (tera zne Wlett the reisswelise the roweas whisk - gave eadi ethotha to ahead rates awed to islet, and leader etroweetmese there wee so gnat lwaseellty la abaft that the boy of pop* than trot • (TWOPENCE. very imperfect obligation. Ile admitted that It was • duty which was incumbent by law, but under the circumstanced It was an Imperfect obligation, and one which he thought It of aw:liah M id r. l4 l3 ll . Ww il e" O h l aad ' er li was Paiti a: m' anxi th ons Part ers ho the n. ga lle et gi tietnea slature for t° law w settleat uf üb ea utub t of tu titis tut ittionuu. now stalls talc tha w. , i to uumui tnain b tai it it; buttha whatever =be the amount, It w as an anotent exnting spews M funds for the natestation of the fabrn and ought met to be swept away until some plan of replac ing It was decided In • proper statesmanlike manor. He would Net wish to see the neosessry funds raised from an Illegitimate each as pew rests. if that once became a custom It w go far to alienate the church from the poor. A go o & deal had been said of the unfainiess of the proposed system of ticketing diameters. If they had any objection, lot the converse eyeless te adopted and the churchmen be ticketed b ro ad foe min, would have no objection. An Idea had got athat the diameters would not okqeot to • gement payment for the suatentation of the Wino alone ha would rather give give up church rates altoseller then adopt such • course ; If they were to have a mare fabric rate, It would be the Am step towards the continental system, wiser, the state bad taken up the property of all religious! denominations. It ought to be recognieed as a rule that those only should pay the rate who used the church ; they could not shut thafreyee to the existence of the large and influential body of die seaters who could not be made to pay the rate, and It was neesesary diatomite compromise should be made; bat the question could not be settled by • hurried fraguiestAry toll Wm this. Let them exempt dissenters, but let the church have the power of raising fon& under the midge of the old name, let the rate be removed tram the opponent* of the temporal court, and be mooverable only in pro softwaietia let the as $ ocepopatkm have power to hold tremens under ranee, and Mike aMe us its own members ; that would be • proper end an Itenonsable settlement. Mr. C. GILPIN denied that the present NU was either • hurried or fragnientary one. Hs could not admit that It wee ••question for • stomprondee. It wee a question of con. sokmos, er of nothing at all. If parties were willing to car tribute, a oompulsory rate was not necessary ; if they were not willing, • compideery nth was the worst kind et tyrannythat affected the conacimos. It had been said that the agitation was dying away. Such was not the case. The vow In the Imam, which were • fair index of public opthbn, showed the contrary. With regard to the ticketing—be had no objection to being ticketed, but he objected to a rate on an anwilli g churchmen as much as on • dissenter. The noble lord the Sec etry for the Colonies had stated that he had voted for the abolition of church rates, and would do so again. He regarded It as • question, not of policy and expedisocy, but of joatice and right. He (Mr. OUpin) denied that the dissenters were urging this question against the church; they did not want to take. sway the power of reeking • voluntary rate; tut it wee a disgrace to make a compulsory rate on en unwilling people. He did not think so Ul of the church of England as to believe that if deprived of this resource it would not supply the need with the liberality it had displayed on other occesions. The noble Premier had stead, In answer to a meat deputation, that he had no doubt the bill would pass the Commons, and be added to the questions now hung up between the two houses; hat he (Kr. Gilpin) did not wish to see any addition to the number of these questions. lie could not do better than eddress mangers of the established church in the wards of u tt p te ati V ;hem member for the Unlvessity of Oxford who, of the withdrawal of the letter aid he thought the withdrawal would be beneficial —it would wive a stimulus to exertion, and the restate of the removal of the artilicial prop would be that for every pound they had received from the SUMS now oksed, they would derive an ample equivalent from the love of the members of the church. He (Mr. Gilpin) be lieved that in like manner the withdrawal of church rates would be b marlsl to the best Interests of the church and of Christianity. Colonel BRUCE would like to know whether It was pro posed toe:teed the bill to bootland. The dissenters from the emteblished church there were enbjeot to spinets, charge. He was obliged to pay for the repalr end building of the &arch end of the WAIL (Heir, hear.) la one year he was obliged to pay for the building of a °butyl more than the rent of his property In the parish. Compleleta, however, were waver heard In Scotland. They did nut NO how they coati refitse to pay a burden that was attached to their land. (Rear, hear.) They did not me how they could put into their podmie what did not belong to them. (Rear.) Mr. GABSIETT world veetu; to suggest • solution of the problem under consideration, vial he hoped the house world thidt deesrviag of attentioe. It had been truly said that the greellon was not a rdere dissenters' question, but tee in the aeldemeat of which churchmen as well ea dissenters felt haply hiteresteL If the chum passel, he would propose the sa cif NW ambling the ehurehwardens to collect co ls:Sew assirOmMems, to be tailed "Church offerings," to be aseeted es the sow liable fur church rates. He would the asses should he entered and the spedled ; tire the obarehwerdene should take their beet rearl, he eider dal nay we who wit...filing to do ao might cisealbele She ashateassios of the church and its whet; that tsy awe who deellsel So pay should have slate te that afoot attached to his sane, and that for twelve maths eft he should hare no valet la the vestry with re gad te asy church matter, sad that If he should be willing 10 pay at the end of that period his name should be motored. At the lest penal 'desks the Resides of the Poor-law Board (Kr. 8. Betcourt) eleerved to his oonstituents that when • majority of the ratepayer declined to peas • rue no rata ought to be made. What woo the value of • property which bad to depend ups* such • contingency P It wee not worth a yea'a purchase. Be believed that with a little more r, • little more faith, and • little more charity, all the of this question would soon be 'evacuated. W. I. FOX said the hon. member for Riginahire (Mr. C. Braes) a wares(lb. grievanne of the diameters of Baptised to that .f the dissenters of England, bad over looked two important ditherer between the two ores. In the first Ora, in Scotland, more pother than in aay other country In the world, the church establishment, espe cially inclarg the free church, wee In unison with the priadplee, wishes, end feelings of the majority of the m people. That wee one important were Another hat the Olai ON for church rates were dame which werattached to the had or other peps*, which was not the awe In this country. It bed ham mill that the &arch builds's, of dr country WMn rthael aspeety. They wife 110 • bat, that being the ere, why was - • Lige genies of the ILIUM shut out of them ? By the fah sad farm of the church, many threaten wise se allniesally =dada r they would be by Warr the pear Air the millary at the doors to plover them her emalm. (Hear, hem) Some of We of this WI Mori to Item arra rates ex les • mhembegy agemegrat. To that he led no ob jeetro es plod*. hit these who whirl kr • subetitute =rbhp by se ammo speed se to whit it should be. pm dr parr divemity of *Vas maw them, and dlestatera might fairly my to there, •' Let these dilemmas be War by the rambles a the church themselves ; that vs ask Is to be freed k as unjust imposithis." He druid MeMody MOM atheism dared as Mimeo" to this et that dormierdeo. g.ir.) Hs might sot be Mr pima leyieles WWI MO your to the rare faith he shoed berfor the ma do cimmater.) 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