The Express. — London, England, 1849-03-24 00:00:00

• 2 I=Pisan Aseesiaties—(heer, heer)—and y joie whit mg ha hint the neralfes hr Mon ism is =resift ihe bun that if Ihe awastry thinks any reereiehasest is to be sailed is this boars. they will esta blish is every taws sad villages Liverpool Maimed wo rn AsseehtirA. (Rear, beer.) After slew words tom MT. STATTOILD and dir D. L. Zvase, Mr.iL GIBSON—I Sisk we few sagely draw this infer laSe ellit what lac void : that the eh= of this dram= has item MB Ibsseilisdd Won lieffialt been =Mkt soden a respeehnie soessistice. (" Oh, oh ' Rosa the pro bellefibta.) I hope Erb he the future, we shall set 118141 *WO heavy impetatisms *pews sonossislise ono= mot say, are get obtained; =I I Van the who= hag him brought upela eoletbresweiglese art gessarev. The motion that the bal be eigemilled ea Meaday nett was then mined to. THE NAVIGATIONSTATBMEN LAW/I.—IMPORTANT T. Mr. LABOUCHERIL—Sir, i. =win that leave tie Asir, and that the hoses go into c i s the Mbill, I feel it right to take this elesreanity of etatemeat to the hoesswith aped% sus important whist I gorses to make in this hal. the boo MK sisal= that, whir I beget band ibis =omi t I Moloi he the beset that Wee moo ime UM la =doh nie arearaie =aid new tom that whisk I ealimillal la the imam I sighed that this dillereace tubed set a seladia poseek the waft regabeiseed SiOGOUlitry. I slated in I set to Km , Ws cur meting trade le fin= hat ea, un der eat= modifications, to admit bogies te • nos of that trate. I star d that, although I did set ars& =eh rilimportance to this aberatica, see did I believe that e i rel he possible for bole =dam to wall thsarelves, in any extembe degree, of this pee. =rim, yet, batons that It would =Dints that perfect equality as whisk I Wight it impor tant, as far ea possible, that the trade should be pissed with regard to the trade of the most impoteet will= =leas et the world, end especially that of the United States of Amara, I thought It deeleabis, fee the gasper of avoid * all posies cavil or dispute with agars to the vane of say reltotin as eight offer to Or Units* lishir, es make the alteration which I proposed. I stated M the be. that I thought it desirable, not because I believed Ele United States particularly sould avail themeless of Ws sellasslos. to throw open the outing trade eine United to that eater —I stated that, having strut time the authorities of the Board of Customs, I felt nt meggeateil fa malaise this proposal to the hour, sad that Iles We Is mate that I hod so aaVcipation that the mamas weld le eadangend. Mr, I teal bound to state new Ong I ea no huger ebb to repeat that statement. I vii easkly Mae what took pleas beta= my right hon. friend at the had at the Bawd of ante= (Sir 'f. Fremantle) and =eat in re braes to this matter. When I first protract to make this alteration, I Knight an interview with my right her. Mend. After baring apprised nen of the nature of the prop= which I latemied to make, my right hon. bind stated, that with the latermatisa he then possessed although he wee not prepared to say that weillerable addit ional diffi salty might not be Ike= up= the department over which he presides by this alteralies, yet stM it was his belief that no such difficulty, sad se sash danger to the Maw, would wise as could be *et in opposition to any of the steps which the government desired to take with refers= to a great question of national polio,. Sir, it was upon that assurance of my right hon. friend that I made this atonal to the bow. At the some time, ety right hen. Mead. who was allowed to frame such regulation as be thOgla befoul to sewn the revenue under the prepaid ammillisslies, test ate several regulations, which the seendedeame af Cus= had 1 itand which I embodied ia the bill now hence the t r oL ar . But, sir, I have received, now sofas days ego, a sommunication from ay right hie. friend at the heed of the examisioners of ariony in whisk he says that, eit going hither into these geguiellios which he theeight right to ebbe the geogenisat to maks to goon pony this atedinaliss et the law as iambi the orielise trent, mid es nabs eseadabeg this =set= alone with ft meet separiensed gesso et the tearsos, these most esavegeset with net =ash ens onto wink particularly hie Maass lotbe leads whist woad have been affected by the =dame= peepers& he bed one to the 'matinees Wt, if net aisehrely impossible, it would be a matter of ex treme Knotty to frame any regulation whisk shoed not love the reveao of the emery earned to the greatest possible danger—if we did swag with WI dislinedea which now exists betwees the le arbe trade ad the vowel b ade of the country ,• I =ea, if we sneered any aline, or British, to embias • seeing sad foreign verge. ear bear.) He said, " I believe that greater baser arise Gem Br:dek ships esealarang • ovardne_wiat a tweiga yor e(' thee frees bergs ships wan to Ms manta lior that porpoise." Sir, arise Wee eleguaremose, i.e. hood to mate that I do ass feel jlastiiied is raids, the house to pane that part of the hill whisk throws Wm the = =de in that mended miser which I had Is what I have said I be.. it will be elawly ender. Mad that I bet no =ma whatever upea bo m rhas. bind who is at the head of the edeem (Hear, hear.) lam quite satisfied that if be pro his sanitise to this proposal is the first instance, it was merely atria, to his extreme unwillingness to set up any lirrntal objection age= what ha ermitelved lobe a f ie national policy. Oa the smeary, Ima bond to wpm myself say blame Waage le farlyimpuled to any mem= et the gossameat =haft haMSy eahadreal sack a question to the hew. I hap lien he= will de me the believe that I =old not have made Ms al if rliter to sot believed that it might be dose with prMS safety to the revenue of the matey. I feel booed b stets that as boatation whatever on rest as Sir T. Fremantle 4r having ginethismaction, as it might be suossd, hastily aria= windeowa it ; for I as warred that he hes aired solely from a Pew of duty. Bat the raridt of his has been, that I as no lager able to ask the lease at apse to relax the navigation laws in the particular I have deoribed. The bill therefor* reta i r p r op Lea much, almost altogether, to what it was when to the lore during the last session of parliament. ma happy to say that I believe this solitary ahem= will in no degree stand la the way of the here being able to consider the hill in committee to-night. The clauses relating to the 'testing trade are almost altogether distinct from the rest at the ball ; therefore, I trust this will not be domed a name ter defer ring the consideration of the bill tonight. But as the alters ties is an important ens, I thought it fair to the house to take this, the earliest, opportunity, of rating it, rather than naive it until the hones shoidd have gone into committee. Kr. HU ME.—I wish to ask the rig ht lai ha uson. lamas whether, after the informer's he has y , if the tends were opened entirely, the difficulty he now stated win regard to the collection of the revenue would not be elms away with. la that ease, I caneene, foreign vessels would he pat on the same footing as British vessels; sad Shea than would be no difficulty whatever. Mr. LABOUC HERE —Undoubtedly, if foreign oasis were admitted into our toasting trade as English mole row an—that is to say, not allowed to combine the bastiag with the foreign voyage—of coarse the Malty to the menus would not arise. Meat, hear.) Bat the hoe. gen llama will at tree see that, as far as nwards Amides, for instance, such a penniesioa would be totally illesery. To say to the ovaer of sa AIWA= ship—" Yea Noy one here and early coals is our ear lug-trade ; hot you mud net combine that with year foreign voyage,"—that of course =old be perfectly illusory. To epee our ematiat trade in that manner would excite • groat deal of unnecessary alarm mass= oar shipping intanat; but, for as regards foreWn estates., even those elm at hand, it would have very Reis sleet ; while as regards distant countries, it would be seen Mew to be entirely useless, Mr. GLADSTONE said, as ha bad stated hie objections te theme clauses on the second reading of the bill, with refer esee to this very quiet= of bootie the revenue, he did net rise at all to dime= the bolas= at whisk the right Ma. had salved. Bat he seed net help re nal the eight him. esalismot he been more no dude* **be the essderan grew eassoneed, than in sheerlng that neve was rads= nd for the =elu sion at which he had originally sasNtd =ea he introduced Kees &aura. He had fairly weigh admitted that the drientaa of the Bold of Casts= had, at the commence =at et the aegolistion, applod hist of the extreme nasal, then woad be in estieg on these =Widow, end the goat loser which weal& wise to the revenue ; and it wee loperlide it smy ow who bad listened to the right hon. gergemseettile OM tire be hearing of the mind of the Wins= at the Bowie( Cots= was entirely against those elemo. Be (Mr. Genesee) had no . knowledge from that right how gentleman at what hie opinions were; but he email set help saying that he sew considerable inconveni ent* is details of this hien gine by ministers of the atom as to nemeses wiled takes pbes between nwissibes and there lainse =et impart= eases, but, nosensises„ In rehire= le thsarnives, abordisate fano tionease. (Rear; less.) It was wily usual, when demands IMO rib, by ineariere of that lesee, for the ,reduction of sepses bees the Bawd of Ovate= or otherrep aims of the =to belies the prodneffien of such ots ; and he .t the ode a geed um, and the normalise In detail it Wm commesamileas • =ease whisk might bad to eeri er "abbe boonerisers, as it teal= he peeplea the public anit es to where the respenenally tee mamas et policy Nally need. (Hear, hear.) He woad eke gist ortu abg at sok* an explains= odd* M het ia 111111bil to give in committee, cost the subject of eoediYeaai liehlatiss, whisk he had twee before men- Wok but la releases to whisk he did not sea to ramy ameadmiat. He weed, however, et= =et eread have proposed. First, be should kan reposed dram Mat= to conditineal lagfebties, sad thee a ember Kamm tar direct bridal's& The piss of eanditional should have ebbed the hoses to adopt was ritels. he divide the whole tab of the empire into two divi des@ only—that which related le our trade with foreign seaneries, and that which misled is domestic or British trade, including under that anadon the trade coastwise and the Weds to W colours. He should then ban proposed to =law, met dyad= ea emy diseretina of the crown, them as to seesetalabge: fare—that when any inusia was owed Is Klee le t Britain a perfect few dos is its hedge lode, Umt meesta should receive in =lra • pert= freedom is otis boles trade : and that whim $ • anti? was a =ll t t c r tr us =fest freed= in the whole of bar , hedge and domestic, not Matey shield them let pissed ea a footing of punnet equality with B /Nth vends in all the wade of the British empire, hedge, staimill. ona elm* lag. With the =sign le ado of the mien= be maid has dealt, quite inespesito of the hedge tomb of ono seseleiss. He =old bete rhea the boo le NMI MK* W reetrabies an *simpered.. stal malma t lineepers IMP' • NOW , wane he C l ....edieied mat oak the Me of nestle _o hut Wink versisobe. Imead hen meow aisehrely all velinials Thiel wan In the Ys et a tee e sidparece-ogag, besz)—wedd hoe eel ha p- om fedi Ma, bath la es sdt = le the gad :read eel N mmitteu e e . an t al b ag . of do lon_ pimp et •livelai a_drawliach cei the ter ilikami. . lier.) So way ked been made to him boon gent ' t an blared la the se**, did be tire& it his duty le Mir why he geed re ,rip to the hoes.. The o f his repaid wee set he ftiWsi or to ember vase remaillips of this graineart. He was not un to the relazatisa of do navigation laws i he to see theft reseal eddied, oat effected is sad" a way es to soil _ Wry abed to the great inrwhisk were dished In Mak shipping. For this remelt De shield her boa perkily wild', to kis prepraal, bad there bra a hips, wield lee was at It , See minim emeash to eaters* ef its mosidog each r te roads, probable the asellesseat of the tree dip dos —belleeig. as all did, that ids at all thaelome pesediarly so ell the sereed. (Hear, ben.)) KW illemes amid with Worsts dm a ikgmkisa to asset tal seek M have made se brie • essiese of die views es the gabled of protestins. he abesh have flak blood to urge that. en Me adeptira of theme hee; rites Sr frog that ba to k z ea he had set the smalisee repos to deedbi th at was to ward by the relent law either reedy as was, or with kw and kosiaddomblii afteratiems. (Kai, bear.) In • *nal of that dm to sew as mheithement smarnoing a reesintion SONS to by the CezE iths Committee kr Uplieldiag the Principle of the N laws, to the east that their *birdies to bin were sat removed by the amendment of whisk mike had bees given by Kr. Beaverk sad • her that that amendment woad net ea reed wi relte mead= of the friends of de iatersts He took that enneemsement Ie apply, oat I, the redirder lona en whisk the boa. member kr :awl to pre= bat also to be aired et say prepositioa en madded lighted," in the math, yet hadt e t avowed objest the Mal repeal of the moire time laws. U. did net aigeidea the bac to tt s t s n i llej w er e il: EC" :, 11 =, weld immi the strength 4dh tiste:ght k emohlont with tkea rdlis i duty to litedify, in the grant err elsoalli , the pea which they bed prepaid to dee Isors." - Wr Iliejesty s ministers, however jedgad Gem wise, and it ISM DOS fat him to ear whether they judged wisely, er act, with • view of aerials the object whisk the tight lementable pentleama had so muck at heart. dell& kiimiwar._ OM thp sight hosmusble gentlemen was egad Mkt taitbse end • more herr come, be id mot disk it word eerier to the parr advantage if he WIMP to the tints of the lessee is dissuader, per haps peed ested an his pa/dealer plan. He was set raw dot k shrill be used as • mem of obsinedag the el4lll/01M repassed by her Kelesty's gesommeat. (Hear, hear.) He did - met think it would be advantrers that the comparatively small number who agreed with him on the ' merits of his prepedlien should divide alone against the great majority of the home, as so doing he should be giv ing an opportunity K the measure of the go veroment without advancing the principle of his own plan. (Hear, hear.) Even if &dyable, it would be painful to him to force his preposition on a resisting and reluctant I government, but the more especially as the coasequenees might be that the hill would be sent from that house with an equivocal recommendation to the Hones of Lords. (Hear.) He would not therefor* be reeponsible kw the coatinnance of the present law unaltered, declaring that Ulm were driven to make a choice between the continuance of the resent law sad the plan of his ken. ?Mead the member for Bihar seek, that choice must be in favor of the plan of her Ma- LZ• government. When they came to the motion of his kited, he would state the reasons which prevented him boss 'spirting the clause he proposed. (Hear.) Kr. BERRIES said he came down prepared to ro omed at one into committee on the bill ; but the peeped dr of the right hon. gentleman had indeed surprised idea greatly, and led him to believe t, were not gar into emamittee with any prospect of:a satisfactory issue. (Hear, hear.) It was an extraordiaary occurrence that, in a bill, long projected, and carefully prepared, and me which the utmost attention of the government must have been bestowed, her Majesty's government should now come forward to make a material alteration in it, and to declare that, at originally proposed by them, it would in volve snit practical inc - nrainee in its working that they could not press it me the house. (Hear, hear.) It happened, unfortunately, also, that this statement came after the receipt of a communication from the American government, which had he.. laid on the table of the house, that to that portion of the bill they could not consent. (Hear.) This happened very awkwardly, to my the least of it. (Hear, hear.) An other circumstance which would make this reservation very extrierdinary was this—that they had communicated to all taiga governments the proposition which they now made. (No.) What ! had they failed to do that ? (Cheers.) If se, 1 thsy made a very great omission. (Hear, hear.) They her offered these foreign governments certain specific terms, and they had sines excepted the coasting trade. The very fleet bursas to which they should have addressed themselves was to communicate this to the governments abroad. (Hear, bear.) However, they received a peremptory refusal from the American government with respect to the coasting trade, and under the circumstances of the change proposed by the government, what he wanted to know was, whether they would go tate eommittee,inetead of adopting the usual practice on each oreasions, namely, to withdraw the bill with the view of substituting an amended one, or commit it pro form& (Hoar, hear.) He did not say this for the pardon of delay. for he was gqnits prepared to go into committee. He certainly preferred the proposition, which was to have bra the plan of his right hon.friend, to the measure of the pronesent, bet he did not think that the bill of the go vinamett was capable of being made • good bill, beeaute its pririple was fundamentally and ementially an-English, and re whisk in the particular eirtmeastanees of the country mad seas world, the bow should lees them ever be prepared le maitisa. (Hear.) Under these eiresunstances he should be preyiered, not ia committee, but is every other stage of *old, to give it his most dransose opposition. (Hear.) After a few words from Mr. Borate vow, the house went late ermuniter ea the bill. On Masse 1 being put, Mr. LABOUCHHIfia pereal the Ist of January, 1850, u the day on which the es would some into operation, which was agreed to. Or. BOUVERIB reposed the following proviso: Maths erversi meterthen end rebirthr le the abresskt sets Nehired, rle re voyages In eit dr thipe at say heels country mop aseser es es dm per whir dry may Mesa Imo or export her the Wad Ilmera or Yes add& pseesidee, as to re Cabled ireXerarr ima rar ey le=ege part oa of la ray pmt of a. world to smy err ileWib remeira (eisept sash if re rid Nealselese est preliblitsee es 1111= 0 1~01M to be reareel we vadat by the grew of Whir ), muds M aui be la Wr il is e rer su iely till it shall rairile l li to elliet ef kr la her pd Osnadlonli shall be ikereed by her *Mu% In council, ihal MI6 ere ar mor sea herr esestary the like @squeal er se le re mugs, la which mew sip" ar se le reds dry sag read Moor M they ort tam ear tarp anmerh or tea peemedin themed or eery asst. who la err pet et sash lendp sorry : merge/ Itirm, with re @mut to Or ledrielleas end prehibldens M dig ehromid iota ores. Week as to the psis whin" r.= i d ray Ilwelt w oountry may rod or a pe lim er re ip Wray, by Ire maw k Area dist the w= i i i r as 'eny pot, of iwth raddelisme Sid ilea Nose to remain or be In fell farce as le tli i i& on wry , esuntry, although the like restrictions sod , as to the rain which say British skip ring Baser export NW, 11011•Neke sleuth foreign min e% net In all remossis ham hese remseoli. pregiedes this areedrest, he begged leave to disclaim emy Merin ef thwarting or hording the progress of the hid • sad the best proof that be mold have no such intention mesa, that smi be the port time he had given it his best support. He mast also disavow and repudiate any supposed hosing towards protedion Ia making this amendment ; be. sure it was on free trade pounds, and is a free trade secs., awl will a view to remove restriedeas from the general ougniggiao of the world. that Ise effaced kis proposition for the earlderstion ef the senusittee. Ia regard to this ques tion, bedlam &think preteetion had a leg to stand on, for there was as taboret sod radical difference between the interest of the obi sod those who wished to inform protection in this esnatry. Their interests were quite lore eosin la sus kola eh llountry all foreign prod's:a. But te atakie theelita men, kreiga timber, and tertian wool kw Ids country was to eat up the shipping interest root keselt. (Hear, hear.) Neither was be induced to =agamdmnt in eonsequence of the alarming and theelethup of those who this and the lest session of =lrpromoted petitions to the hones on this subject ; a referring to the journals of the house he found that twenty-three yam ago, when the first alteration in the navigation laws was proposed, equally gloomy nrophecles were made respecting the ruin of the shipping interest which the progress of events had falsified. He considered it a strong argument in favour of the view which be proposed, that it was the course of policy recommended by Mr. Hue. hksan. His diffusion with the government on this subject was simply a Menace as to the mods in which the changes they proposed should be effected. The prop union of the gerrameat involved important, almoettremendous, changes., and it behoved them to take care that the chsuges so made were effected is oath a way as would prove least disastrous to the Interest especially concerned, an d hest likely to muse diasetisfaction to them. It appeared to be forgotten that though at their own end trade could be left unrestricted, f 'reign states might so haulm! it by their legislation as practically to force the whole into their own ships, thus pureeing the course which had been pursued by this country for th e last two hundred yeses. France enforced spiast them similar restrictions to those imposed by the navigation laws; and though it appeared from the correspondence laid on toe table two days ago that Sweden had professed her readiness to make re legations peva passes with this country, he should peeler to such professions the security of an act of parliament. An opportunity was now propos t ffor tt ad e ts am ss en a lm aaas eat l , "s n a oP se r tt n i t t rie ; view of retaining restrictions, but in order to make our own relaxations a NM= of forcing con ceseinas from other nations. The government re taliatory clause afforded no such mesas. It might lead to a good deal of negotiation, and possibly give ties to • chance or wee, but anything beyond was altogether illerory. All experience proved that if they made taar own relaxations maditimal on similar relaxations on the pert of other natio.% they would be met in a similar manner. That was the principle established by the United States as the founde d= of their navigation laws. There was complete reci procity, and it was by that that all their otnumercial inter course had been guided. His hon. friend, the member for Westbury, bad endeavored to find an objection to the sageadsgsga, bat with ell his ability he had signally flied. Ibe honourable number said the &mead ow, would, if passed, involve this country in endless segotiationa That was exactly what it would not do • it would establish a golf-working system. Th• objection was arid* a rash one, considering that the retaliatory clause of the goveranesat, if worked at au, could ealy be waked by mesas of negedwion. The hon. mss- i ik . .o 4 krTitD&Y WEN!NGL MARCH , 24 ' .• 1849. 'lva! 1.04.1 eft four ' There it *NAM re erre de. "at atlas terimbable is shim a shoetsofferfa — He saight ta b l ettogt reeipoeftgA r t s k e e mor ward somtheigrel i It the ese nem agges. As lag g e. mielK the of Ming eu the of nelpositr, Gannon et et iming dales. Sthl then mid bar missy, at all id t reciprocity. It mei fa the very astir, st exchange ; and he =Meta awl that b Mold be a smiths. posedlog the emend of re•Mietioes t isk = i ditipiz i 4 t gestagelimee druid make similar re p/ Of VW dale he had endeavoured le betide the moil -imam to which the navigation laws relisvai, arraythe seignial see Ming trade, and re lolanda* peetheivethelli was to he tread in the various eels famed Mess Kr. Hasidemmes dm be the regulation of the trade with the Blithe pennesim. It,. I. WILSON said he mild not for a moment suspect that his boa. Mend wished to frustrate the free-trade policy In which the boon had embarked, but he could have little diffistaty i elawieg that it was only by the mesas which the gnomon penned that this poltey could be: rm e c ela caroled en. The yams yrapialt by the government snare tothementre the itheentages of a broad and entendre primal, of realimag without subjecting it to the ineonve- Wows ond Medlin whisk arose from exkim_ Mead feesonigediem buse. Thaaldarit of his ken. Mead was to amble Itha man In Alan fern other eamaien similar seuesesione to these whisk me eared to them bat he thought that tooth Km ben. Mend and the right hon. gentle men the member kw the thatensity of Oxford (tie. Glad stone) most admit that Nan peemeded on the principle of neditional kaiiiefrisa they sane retain in their hands the power Cl rekthatesa He could KO no difference between refine, M emethe to anther country what that country reamed te itmethe to them, g i nin t resing a direct NstrictiOß en Statesmen biom ie it one on them. (Hear, hear.) H. thatight his Wt. d did not wish to prevent the free auserbtion Cl the pods and produce of Asia, mad America boa the continent of Europe. What he undrrmteod him to proms was, that this country should not sake the soatemed concessions unless it *malt be aims to the eathfise. of the Queen in council that ethic enustrime did sot retain similar restriction' to those whisk it We. proposed to remove. There was, in feet, scarcely • country in the world which imposed similar mtrictiam. Belgium, for example, had not one restriction like those which wen impelled by this country—the restrictions of Beg in& ham gestehetsee of oacludue, t h e e. etri•tieso of Bel gium were netrietions of differential duties. France, in. deed, bad some similar restriction", but all restrictions were not Milar. His hon. friend bad spoken very truly of the dithenlty of ounim eat the triumphs of reciprocity with regard to tariffs. The Fame objection, however, applied in the preset cam and whatever might be said about the dith • of negotiltion under the bill, he apprehended that the dianthus of the Board of Trade under the amendment would prove much greater. Did hie bon. friend mean to say, in effect, to other stations, " If yon will throw open your navigation entirely to us. we will throw ours open entirely to you ?" He thought such a principle would be attended with great inconveniences. Suppose the United States replied to the invitation in the spirit in which their legislation had bee. serried on. As soon as the United Stalin was allowed to p into our colonial trade, all the coastwise with whisk they now had treaties would buVantly dossed the same privilege. Having permitted the United States to trade in the Eastern Arelopelago, how could they refuse to make a similar concession to Holland ? Wes his hoe. Mead prepared to disturb nearly the whole of the exist ing treaties, in order to carry out his views ? The bill itself would carry out what he had in view much more effectually than his own amendment. The effect of allowing the goods of Asia, Africa, and America, to be imported into this country it was easy to forme'. Of what value would be the restriction on the direct trade when, for the purpose of evasion, it would only be necessary for a ship top to Rotterdam, land its cargo, take it on board again, maths' bring it to this country ? The government had, in the pre paration of this measure, carefully considered the state of oar treaty relations with other countries. And, first, me is the United States, the case was not at all what many hoc gentlemen seemed to suppose. Government did not proceed here on the calculation of mere contingencies, but on the distinct wourance, not of Mr. Bancroft, however respectable and authoritative that would be, but on the distinct assernes of an actual act of Conroe. (Hear, bear.) The report of the committee of the General Ship owners' Society of London, which he bad remind a few days since, appeared t a presume in the government an entire ignorance of the state of the American law on this subject, whereas it was the committee itself which was in may wader a misapprehension. The committee assumed that the postrammat were proceeding on a mere promise of the Ameigna emeutive which it was very likely the Amo eba. game= maid ee l support, upon the roength of these nessliedem with the Assent:tut government, whereas there me se negothelms pending at an, for the simple reason that no negotiations were requisite, the feet being that it was perfectly in the power of the American government, without whether application to Congress, to extend to everycountly theism or like concession which every such country should Mead to America. This was the direct purpose of an met ; i l =sem already in existence ; so that the paring of the ff smegare would itself place us, with relation to Ame rise, in the position which the hon. gentleman contemplated to attain by his motion. (Hear, hear.) Again, as to Swe den. Ia Sweden there were no restriction, whatever on minden, except those which were specially directed against this seentry, in retaliation for our restrictions. Sweden pro hibited ear ship from resorting to their colonies, or from emaying to its home ports the produce of America, 11411 a, and Asia; but this was not the general prin deb Of the Swedish law, and it was perfectly well un derstood that so soon as our restrictions were re. wed es against Sweden, those of Sweden against us would be abolished. (Hear, bear.) As to Russia, at wu ' only within the last two years that Russia had passed a law imposing on foreign couatries the same :intentions which each foreign restrictions imposed on Russia ; the law, how ever, is virtue of the existing treaty, could no* operate against England until 1861, and if the present measure passed it would not operate against us at all. (Hear, hear.) It was quite tree that France imposed more restrictions upon Ode main than she imposed upon any other state, but our peon mem, which compelled France to a direct trade with the Int Indies, by preventing her receiving the produce Clthe Kest ken this country on the favourable terms which I=srdier sograted, rendered the restrictions harmed by In mace drably injurious to us. And as to Franco, wtL ItKh cad Ksidem, what chance did his hon. friend mo detain, Asa asentries adopt his views ? France 2nd Span maintained the trade with their own colonies, and of their own colonies between ash other ; and what advantage did the hon. gentleman propose that should make them give up this position ? Suppose we did say to Spain and Frans*, we will admit you into our foreign carrying trade. This would only be admitting tom into active competition with America, with Holland, with every commercial community, with the whole world. The hon. gentleman might wait for esesturies before he could offer such advantages as could in twee Frame and Spain to make the concessions he contem plabLAKear.) But because France and Spain were not in • melltim to act with us on terms of reciprocity , were Trinidad, were the West Indies at large, to be depr ived of the advantages of a direct trade with those countries, and to ramie subjected to those vexatious, those expensive, those 1111th kommis, to which the importations of French and Spend. produce into than Wands were now exposed by the amardty of the whole of this produce passing first tire* the respective French and Spanish colonies? (Hear, hoer.) Again, as to Holland, was the hon. gentle man preparn to deprive us of the eminent adventures we derived km the concessions given us by Holland, in relation to the Dutch Baronial trade 1 Should Holland restrict us in relation to the trade with Java ? Or suppose that America should refuse to lye us her ooesting trade, which was not included in the act of congress to which he hsd referred, were we, for this reason, to de pries our West India Weeds not only of what it was pro posed to give them, but of the valuable right which they had so many years pommeled, of direct importadon of supplies from America ? (Hear, hear.) As to our warehousing trade, he believed so course could be adopted more calculated to benefit that branch of industry the. the course now pro. posed by her Majesty's government. At present this trade was limited, because foreign goods which came here in foreign ships other than those of the producing country were not admitted for home consumption. Remove this restriction, and a great impetus would at once be given to our warehousing trade. (Hear, hear.) Mr. GLADSTONE, in the two or three sent:mem he uttered, was, at all events in our part of the gallery, almost entirely unintelligible, gathering, as we did, bat a word or two of each sentence. He stid that after the manner in which his scheme had been withered by the unkind shadow thrown over it by Ilia hon. friend opposite—(laugh er)—he would not now go into the matter, but content binisylf with saying that be should not vote for the hon.genUeman's propo sition, simply bemuse he thought it ineffective for the object in vise, and impracticable in itself. •• • • - Mr. M. GIBSON said that of the three expedients before the committee—reciprocity, conditional legislation, and re taliation—he disliked the plan of the government the least, bat, nevertheless, had anon& objections to it. His object in voting for repeal of navigation laws was to enable English men to select freely the ships in which to transport their goods to the destined port. It was not • ques tion about foregoers at all. (Hear, hear.) The only qaestion was between the British shipowners, on the erne hand, and the British people on the other. The British people asserted the right to select as they pleased the ships in which to transport their merchandise. and the Bri tish shipowners said, " No ; you shall use my ships or nose." He (Mr. Gibson) did not seek to give anything to the foreigner; his object was to restore to her Majesty's su bj ects that civil right, of which they ought never to have been de prived—the right to send their goods in whatever ship they pleased, and at the cheapest posible rate ; and, unless there mild be shown some national disadvantage in the exercise of this obvious civil right, he should support the bill on this plain ground. Of the three plans reciprocity was clearly the went. He had frequently observed of gentlemen who had been ill of the protection malady, that the Ant symptom of convalescence was the reciprocity stage—the perfect recovery being free trade. He had himself been in the second stage, but had quite recovered. In his opinion, the great principle was to give freedom for our own sakes, and not in respect to any conditions from other countries. (Hear, hear.) &i.dprocity was out of the question whoa we considered our treaty obli gations with other countries. Take the case of Sweden. Our minister at the court of Sweden had emphatically iasisteil upon this construction of our treaty with Sweden, that whatever Sweden granted to other countries, conditionally or otherwise, should be given unconditionally to us. Having misted upon this CealtrietiOn we could not coarsely.' get oat of it we mast great to Sweden the same privileges, without condition. which we granted to any other country, mad Innisg granted them uncondititnallp to swami, .. . WS we WO4/ An Ma awiegaim.Humlit. kaki% do., IhaAug the fiaMirreil nation dame would follow. (Hear.) , epen A up= It any attempt to oarry oat the reel proeity system in connexiast 1%4 mum* would iavolve us in buretrioaMe di As to the pro orders in ernsacil, be bad doubts whether was even a Wks Marto bare the regulation of trade to ordure is sa eem a~l i Or to permit the executive to levy duties en thil isnMesi of sommodities without the consent of parliament. He would net say it wee naeonstitational to do so, for the term sesidtados seemed to have no very definite meaning, bat he would my that in his opinion it was ray unwise as a matter of policy. (Hear, bear.) As a general rule it would be far bitter, when any ease did preeent itself which seemed to require that the coarse of trade should be interfered with, or that the taxation of the country should be iacreased, to appeal to parliament, rather than leave mach nice mitten to the discretion of the council. (Hear, ham.) He held in his band a paper which he had :lamed for, in illustration of the effect of past orders in connell upon trade s and be these *nod reason to assign the origin of many of the complabate of oar colonies , in a great messam. to these very orders in council. The navigation laws of themselves did permit foreign ships to trade with our colonies ender certain conditions, to the effect that the ship should wily carry the produce of their own countries, and should sail direct from these countries ; bat then an act a parliament declared that foreign ships should not enjoy even this limited mivasge, unless specially authorised by an order in coned]. Now, what wee the extent of restriction which the with holding of sods orders in council imposed on the trade of the world ? Why, at this moment, they absolut ly pre cluded our colonies from communication with one clear half of the world, for example, Belgium, Sardinia, Naples, the Papal States, Lama, Tuscany, Greece, Morocco, Turkey, Brazil, non, Uruguay, Sr. Domingo, to., and to a great extent with France, Holland, and Spain. It was impos sible to estimate the evil effected by the operation of this order in council principle. He trusted that when this measure came into operation the government would exercise this p rivilege of inning orders in council on a very different principle from that on which it had been hitherto exercised, or reel little progress will bare been made by this bill. He wished the power so conferred was altogether out of the bill. Mr. R. Palmas said a few words, which were answered by Mr. BRIGHT. Mr. LABOUCHERE hoped the committee would confine itself to the question that wu under discussion, and reserve e r grat r ywu rte r ig nta against or for the principle of the bill, Mr. BERRIES mid that the declaration of the tight honourable gentleman respecting the desire of the govern ment to afford ell the information possible on the sub ject of the navigation laws was not borne nut ; for on looking into the matter, he found that whilst the bill 'of the right hen. gentleman for abrogating those laws was introduced last year in June, the correspondence with the foreign powers, which was intended to en'ighten the house on the subject. was not commenced until December ; so that 1 1 the bill might have mimed into a law, had the parliament so pleased, without any of t!at im portant informa ion reaper ing it having been before the house. But the government had not succeeded in obtaining from any of the foreign powers an intimation of what they intended to do towards meeting the concessions made to them by the present bill. With respect to the pre sent question, there was no doubt it had been tatistactorily proved that the clause was retaliatory. But it would be difficult to enforce it in the case of the most favoured nations who would not make any concessions in return for the abro. gation of the navigation laws. How could retaliation be enforced in the We of France and Spain. which nations were amongst the most fsvoured—and how difficult would it not he to make relaxations to the ships of other nations which France and*Spain did not par?tallei As to America, was made to appear that the abrogation of the navigation laws would be immediately reciprocated by the operation of acts of Congress now in existence. If any one carefully read the sections of these acts which bore on the question, be would find that they did not ful fi l the purpose attributed to them ; and, although there did exist another act of Congress—that of 1817—tearing on the question, no reference was made to it in the correspondence. The acts in qutstio t referred to duties on goods, and cot to ships, and consequently they did not bear upon the navigation Uwe. Unless Mr. Buchanan was more candid than he had been in the correspondence on the table, he could place no confidence in any expectations held out by the government that the United States would meet England half-way in her concessions. There was no disposition on the part of himself and his party to protract the different stages of the bill by any unduc opposition; but be must de clare that he could only consent to meet foreign nations on the principle of reciprocal advantages, and upon that he took his stand. The proposed clause was a mere blind and al though he should not feel the airitfaction which resulted from doing a good action in voting for the government, he should nevertheless vote with ministers against the amendment. Mr. LABOUCHERB rose for the purpose of ezpresaing his entire confidence in the candour, good faith, and liber ality of Mr. Buchanan, which the right hon. gentleman opposite had questioned. Mr. HERMES entirely concurred in the sentiments en. premed by the Provident of the Board of Trade towards the illustrious individual referred to. Mr. Ald. THOMPSON observed that it had been stated that America had conceded all we were about to concede to America; but he asked what consideration could America give for the enormous advantages she would receive. From her geographical position, America would have a decided advantage in bringing to this country eke productions of Cuba and Beard. The hon, member for Westbury had alluded to the ease of Mr. Brooke sending a cargo of sugar from Java to Holland. Mr. Brooks did not find a British ship at Java, bemuse the tonnage dues at Java were so enormous, that British ships were all but ex eluded from the trade, and therefore Mr. Brooks had no alternative but to send by a Dutch or American ship. The hon. gentleman also stated that this measure would give great stimulus to the warehousing trade of this country. lie could not conceive anything more calculated to injure it. At the present time, nearly the whole produce of the East Indian empire was brought to this country. and from this country the continent of Europe was supplied. If ships be longing to the German states, to Holland, Russia, and Swe den. were to participate in our East Indian trade, and bring their goods to this country, there could be no question, that instead of London and Liverpool, and other great ports, being the depots of thu produce of the eastern empire, the docks and warehouses would be comparatively empty. The hon. member for Kilmarnock had said that the shipowners were alarmed in 1828, and in crder to show how unfounded this alarm was he gave an account of the increase of our ships in Landon, Liverpool, Glasgow, and Greenock. Although there was a great increase of shipping in these ports, foreign shipping had increased far more eon siderably than English ships had increased. The shipowners of 1826 never entertained the apprehension of losing our colonial trade • what they apprehended was that by the re cipe telly of 'trade they would lose the carrying of bulky articles. Between the years 1524 and 1846, British vessels employed in trade with Sweden had fallen off 26 per cent : with Norway, 71 per cent ; Prussia, 33 per cent. The ships which passed the Sound in 1824 were—British, 4,363 ,• foreign, 4,376. In 1844 the British ships were 3,900, and the foreign ships had increased to 12,164. He well recol lected that in 1826 the skipping interest feared they would lose their legitimate share of the carrying trade of the north of Europe, and this anticipation had been realised. He agreed with the bon. member for theUniwersity of Osford,when he said that he looked at this measure as a great shock to the com mercial interest. Although he thought the principle of the hon. member for' Kilmarnock was round, he thought there would be great difficulty in carrying it out, and therefore be doubted whether he ought to vote in favour of it ; but if they should succeed in getting the clause introduced Into this bill, it would not induce him to look with more favour upon it. Mr.WAWN looked upon this measure ass premium upon the building of ships abroad, and should give it his most decided opposition. The question having been put, ----- - - - - Mr. BOUVEHIE said he would not trouble the house to divide ; but Mr. WAwN having in•iated on a division the emingttee divided, when the numbers were— For the proyi so Against it 132-117 The dins' vru then agree' to. Clauses from 2 to 10 were agreed to. Clause 11 being proposed, enacting that no goods should be carried coastwise from one part of the United Kingdom to the other ezoept in British ships, but providing that this should not extend to p revent the carriage coastwise of goods in foreign mails ar riving or departing for parts beyond the lest, Mr. GLATOBTONB observed that the right hon. gentle man the President of the Board of Trade had said that, in the opinion of the highest authoriti , s, there was no danger in admitting foreigner to carry on the wasting trade on the footing of an equality with British ship., on the same regu lations to which British ships were subject That being the case he did not think this clause might to remain in the bill, sad should vote against it. Take the case of the north-east coast of Scotland, producing oats for the Lyndon market, which came in competition with those of Damask. The Danes were to have the choice of all the ships in the world, but the Scotch owner was obliged to send his oats in a British ship. He thought that on the principle of equality in dealing, the committee ought to refuse to pass this clause. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the coasting trade staid nn a different footing front other trades in respect to restric tions. This was a branch of trade which no country in the world had ever admitted a foreigner to share. An hoc. member had stated that this measure would be • great rhock to the commercial interest. His belief was that the true interest of the commercial marine rendered this altera tion necessary, but he was unwilling to increase whatever there was of alarm by a proposal to admit a foreigner to a trade which bad been enjoyed exclusively by the shipping of the country itself. After a few words from Mr. ROBINSON and Mr. GLAD STONB, Mr. LABOUCHERE explained that all that wu intended by the clause wu to give to colonies which were geographi cally noighbenn, power to make trade among themselves a coasting- tvade. • For example—the West India Islands or the Au.tralosian group, would come within the same of the clause. He did not see that there would be any dlactaity in carrying it into operation. _ _ Mr. I)IBRA,Eif observed that if the power of giving effects to tide daunt was to be left to the queen In council, the introduction of the term "neighbouring" was quite wine cassary. Mr. LABOUCHERE said hi lad unfortunately intro duced that term to please the right boa. member for the University ef Oatord. (A laugh.) The right boa. member bad'arted the objection, that under the clause as It stood originally, Australia sad Canada sight all Chelanlves asigbboura fir. GLADSTONE wished to know, es the queen in council had no power to construe laws, how the question of neighbourhool was:to be decided in doubtful ewe. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sugges'ed that the clause might be 'Mowed to pan, deferring any alte nition until the bringing up of the report. He thought that the insertion of the words, " two or more possessions which her Majesty in wizen shall deem to be neighbouring," would meet the difilonslty. Mt. F. SCOTT wished to know what was to be done with a colony which wee so unfortunate u to have no neighbours. Ceylon had no neighbour, neither had St. Helena. Re wished that ministers would either define neighbourhood or postpone the clause until the question was leaded. The words suggested by the Chancellor of the Exchequer hating been pat from the their, Mr. GLADSTONE objected to the rinds& of the clause, not es a ammonia principle, but ea a principle of legislation. In his opinion subordinate legislatures should not We the power of legidadng with reference to the sub jects of benign states. No matter what the amount of self government you gave to your Wades, the imperial govern. =ant must always stand between them and foreign states, and for this reason, that it might be able to fulfil its treaty engagements. There were many foreign nations to which we were bound by treaty to give all legal privileges, but if this clangs passed a colony might step in and prevent the ful filment of our engagement. Another objection be had to the clause was, that by establishing so many centres of legis lation, great impediments would be thrown in the way of imperial arrangements with foreign powers. LABOUCHERE said that the object of the elanse was simply to give to the colonies the power to deal with their own coasting trade, in the manner most conducive to their own interest,. In the ease of Canada, it was of espe cial importance that this power should be conceded. As to the Sifficolties started by the right bon. member, the power given to the Queen in council would always provide a suffi cient remedy. After a short conversation, Mr. ROBINSON objected to the claw'. If it merely gave to the colonies power to open their coasting trade, he should not have objected to it, but he would not delegate to them any powers which belonged properly to the Imperial government. Sir R. PEEL put the case of a power to which one of our Antonio' had given the privileges of a westing trade, and which power afterwards declared war against the imperial government. What provision was there made for each a case ? Mr. LABOUCHERE said that a declaration of war would overrule all navigation laws. Sir R. PEEL—And yet the colony might know nothing of the foreign relations of the mother country, nor whether there was any probability of war. If the mother country war to determine what countries should have the coasting trade of our colonies—it the power given to the colonies was a power which they could not exercise without the consent of the crown—why not let it originate with the crown instead of :first siring it to the colonies, and they neutralising it by withholding it except upon the consent of the crown? Mr. DISRAELI observed that the objection of the right hon. baronet us fur as the law of nations was concerned, was not tenable for a moment. According to all decisions upon the subject no difficulty could arise, and even the mere de claration of an embargo would settle the question. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER quite agreed with the hon. gentleman. Whether the state of war arose before or after the royal anent, whether the law was to be carried out by colonial enactment or by an order in council at home, the effect would be precisely the same ; and the substantial answer, therefore, to the right honour able gentleman's objection was, that war between this country and any other would override all colonial legislation. The right hon. baronet asked how the retaliatory clauses were to erect colonial legislation ? if we were to give our colonies the power of managing their coasting trade, they must have the power of doing so as they pleased. including the power of retaliation and suspension. The East India C.mpany had such power at present, and could exercise it consistently with the treaties entered into by this country. Sir G. CLERK complained that the clause was inconsis tent, the latter part being restrictive instead of Telexing. Mr. LABOUCHERE - said he only wished to propose re striction where manifestly just and fair ' and to deal with our colonies as we did for ourselves. He wished to leave them that which was not only strictly, bat technically, their wag ing trade. This was particularly desirable in the cue of our North American colonise, which were within eight of the United Stites. To say that a vessel should not go from a port in Maine to New York, or from Bt. John's in New Brunswick to Halifax in Nova Scotia, would be nominally fair and equitable, but actually a great injustice. Although the countries might be foreign, yet for all purposes of navigation they were the same. He thought the difficulty raised would not practically ensue, or it would have occurred long since in our Indian empire Although the clause nominally restricted, under the circumstances it was I but fair and just. After some further conversation to the same effect, in which Mr. HENLEY and Mr. Haulms declared tnemselves in favour of Mr. Gladstone's view, Mr. GLADSTONE said he would move, uan amend ment to leave out all the words after the word " that," for he purpose of inserting words to this affect, " That it shall be lawful for her Majesty in council, upon an address or joint-address from the legislative council, or council and assembly, or proper 15.gislative authority of any of our Bri tish possessions, praying her to authorise the conveyance of goods or passengers to any other part of such pos onions, to direct that such conveyance shall take place in such way as her Majesty shall think fi t." He proposed to strike out altogether the intercoloniel part of the clause. The committee divided—For the clause l6B Against it lO4-54 The clause wu then ordered to stand part of the bill. On clause 16, which lays down the repletions to be ob served in navigating ships to entitle them to be registered as British, Mr. ALEXANDER HASTIE moved the omission of the proviso requiring such ships to be navigated by crews com posed of at least three-fourths British seamen. Mr. LABOUCHERE observed that the question was whether they should now abrogate that enactment which obliged all vessels in order to sequin the character of British va meets to be navigated by a certain proportion of British sea men. He believed that the burden this obligation imposed on the shipowner was more nominal than real. It was admitted by these parties who 'gave evidence before the committee, that if they were allowed to take sailors from all parts of the world, they could avail themselves of that privilege only to a very limited extent, and that, generally speaking, their vet eels would still be navigated by British seamen, and Mr. 0. F. Young, as well as other witnesses, also admitted that no relief would status from altering the proportion of three fourths se now existing. If the amendment was carried, therefore, while it would create great practical inconveni ence, no real advantage would be conferred on the ship. owner. If the restriction were altogether done away with they might have vessels manned and commanded by foreign ers altogether, and nothing British about them but the nation of their owners. How could this country be answerable for vessels so navigated, or what claim could she have to the character of British, or the security of the British flag ? If the proposition were merely to alter the proportion of British sailors required, he did not think that any strong objection would be raised to it, but the shipowners them selves would tell you that that would be no relief to them. Mr. DUNCAN supported the amendment, as being ne cessary to enable the British shipowner to compete fairly with the shipowner of other nations. Mr. BRIGHT had been told • few days ago'by the cap tain of a British ship, an intelligent and able man, who had commanded a vessel of 600 tons for 16 years, and who wee also pert owner, that the abolition of the navigation laws would be no disadvantage to him nor to his sailors; but he said that it would be necessary to alter this clause, which compelled every British ship to be navigated by at least three-fourths British seamsn. This gentleman further told him that English sailors were the most tur bulent seamen on the waters. (" Oh, oh.") Though they were in some respects more hardy and ably than foreigners, they were generally much more difficult to manage, the reason being that they knew they must be employed ; and though the abolition of the clause might not result in the manning of British ships by foreign sailo.s to any extent, it would operate as a check °nth/ Eng glish sar.ors, and induce them to pursue a more rational course of conduct ; and perhars become as reasonable, and as easy to manage as those of any other country. (" Oh," and hear.) With regard also to the proviso at the end of the clause, this captain declared that its effect was most unfavour able. He said that English ships required in consequence more men in proportion to their tonnage than American ship.. The American ships were manned on the avenge with 34 men per 100 tans; while the English ships required 5 men per 100 tons to meditate them • and this difference aro'e in consequence of the opinion th at prevailed that the regulation required one British sailor fur every 20 tons, and which the seamen were under the impression the law ' enforced. If the Americans could navigate their ships with 31 men per 100 tons, surely the English sailors could do the same. (Hear ' hear) This captain, therefore, considered that it would be an advantage if this proviso were left out. He admitted that there was no law on the subject ; but the marginal note in the old navigation law had led to a con trary impression, and had produced much inconvenience. If the hou. member for Glsagow divided on his amendment, he (Mr. Bright) should vote with hint. H. had no notion of this left-handed justice by which the humus of the public were considered by the carrying of this bill, while the inte rests of the shipowners were sacrificed. In his view, the shipping interest should have the same freedom of trails as was accorded to the manufacturer and the corn ur , wer, and that all restrictions which they considered injurious to the carrying on of their trade should be removed. Mr. G. ROBINSON could not separate this question of the manning of our ships from that of the defence of the country. He could not, however, understand the right lean. gentleman in requiring British ships to be manned by three fourths British sailors, when he had given it out that the British sailors were the most unruly and unfit for their duties of any in the world. Mr. MOFFATT said that the clause was adverse to the whole spirit of their recent legislation. The complaint of the shipowners was that they could not build their ships cheaply nor sail them cheaply. With regard to the latter Point, tam was no question that the maritime nations of the Noah were able to sail their vessels more cheaply than the ship sweets of this country. This was a fair gr mud of com plaint on their pert. Supposing the amendment were carried, the shipownere of this country might get sailors from Sweden, Norway, and D 'nark. These countries had something less than 30,000 sailors. New, the only consequence of intro- THE Int US of 1 or live lour wootbis co du favoured% CL d althttir u hiswe c ee in ipproyc g :ractreigny i ewo n sidirwome o : f idothu th inwoulb T ri : lithatlon : bet:ithtofor t rr thd to i,or t: o l :w e ew2,,s m oroto e omfbe ri E a ga t t 7, 44thetkethray,lreenE:tipe; au: ~,.: would be a little depreciated, whilst thole of the natics sef • to the North would be a little appreciated. Re would w ee k s , support the amendment. all restrictions upon these. here a w n syetem of proteen ni + had been fo ra long time acted on, he did not ewnide r i i 5 free trade merely to remove that protection, unlns th ey el .. 4 removed the burdens which were imminent, and insposen,L 41 in oonsequence of that protec ti on. (Hear.) 1 • 81r F. BARING said that if the amendment n,„, e „,_, caused British subject from employing sar n.forttss4. foreig n foreign not fo all, Manse this was tre and onlymen (ti clause to preve n t t h s ships in the coasting trade from being mann e d entirely l e f oreign seamen ; now, if this clause was abrogated 144 amendment carried, the result would be that a natural* foreigner might employ a foreign ship, a foreign mann l e g f ore i gn seamen. (Rear, hear.) If that was them esk they would support the imendment. obj Mr. GLAH§TONE apprehended that a naturek os i foreigner might have a manufactory with foreign Irm a .. might employ a foreign superintendent, work up for - OT: materials and export every portion of these msterioir, foreign countries. (Hear, hear.) Was the right bon. mg, man sorry for that ? (Hear.) Did he thi n k i t a mit evil? or did he believe that such a person contributed % the wealth and greatness of England? (gear, a w.) ' But why suppose that the naturalised foreigner would ogi. ploy foreign masten and foreign seamen? (He m t em.) If he did employ them it must be bemuse there wee etto o great inducement for his doing so. (Hear, hear.) H o b e. lieved that the danger was chimerical. If so, %lure wis use in retaining the clause, but if it was n o t ehUnerica p l, th e he thought that as they deprived the shipowner of country of protection, and sutijected him t o melititut with all the world, they were enliged not only by the po i , espies of free trade but of justice to relieve hitt, freer o p l restraints. (Hear, hear.) The ATTORNEY-GENERAL mid, that bovern No , elusive the arguments in favour of the amendmont mighty, they could not pass it unless the chows to become 'he le* sag stock of all the countries of Europe. They I 11.1 d m & provided by the 11th, 12th, and 13th sections, that aeeril e trade shoald be Carried on in British ships only ; .w it 0 10 proposed that it mightbe carried on by foreign shils, massy by foreign sailors, and belonging to a foreigner, slio Rigid get himself naturalised for 10s. 6d., for the purzt carrying on this very trade. (Hear.) Th e soar therefore, if earned would defeat the wkole of th, i, p rooku provision., and they consequently would be obliged to it. verse what they had previously done. (Hear.) Mr. W. BROWN was understood testy that the superior management of the American vessels was owing to the Gss. dom which the shipowaen of that country enjoyed of gotta, seamen from any quarter of the world. As the shipaso o ; of this country were now to be subjected to severe coareti. thou he was disposed to remove every obstacle from no ; and give them every facility to navigate their we* (Hear, hear.) Mr. LABOUCHERE said the committee, by adoptiliq o amendment, would, for the sake of affirming ea steno principle, produce a great practical evil. He beliensing of the most perfect freedom were allowed British Onionskin would scarcely in any case employ others than Briisk ry men. (Hear, hear.) Every country possessing anytko r like a considerable mercantile nary insisted on same its sawn seamen being employed in their ova seip„ (Hear, hear.) Then the Registration Act would or tirely fail to inform them of the number of au in the mercantile marine if this amendmeLt pmasl He believed that the passing of the amendment would coo great alarm and panic among British seamen genotally, afford no real relief to the mercantile navy. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON said that though os pry ple he should support the clause, he did not espets tin much practical benefit would result from it. lithe Batik register were hampered by a numbn of inconvenient rog y. dons, tew would avail themselves of it. Practically, sig pawing of the amendment would put an end to the lyteß of registering, except with regard to the coastal pads. Even if British shipowners were compelled to muster, t would be easy to find a foreign clerk who would anus nominal ownership, and thus evade the law. In reply to a question from Mr. WAWN wi h real to the payment of seamen in the cue of vessels beiod lost, Mr. LABOUC MERE said he thought it would helseaaw vent to discuss the question then, but after the bill hid bust passed the attention of the government would be gires to all subjects connected with the mercantile marine. Mr. F. SCOTT observed that although the goverment contended so strongly against any alteration of the lei clause, by the 18th clause they would obtain the porta counteracting its operation. Mr. LABOUCHBRE said the 18th clause was keened merely to provide for tke emergencies of war, power keg reserved to attract sailors to the service of the crows. Mr. MITCHELL could not agree with the hon. alder man with regard to the probable effect of the clause en n. gistration. During the Schleswig•Holstrin war very rest value was attached to the British mister. Notai+hvaudisB an that had been said about tho efficiency and the low wags of the Baltic sailors, he trusted that no sailors would be to much in demand as our own. The American crews ram as was well known, composed in a great degree nt Bridal seamen. He should vote for the amendment solely for the purpose of testing the alleged grievance. (Hear.) Ode den of opening the navy to foreign seamen would be ths Rubin and Sereslish shipowners would be compelled to raise the wages of the men whom they employed. Viscount PALMERSTON said there was one poet which had not yet been adverted to—namely, the urea en. harassment in which the amendment might place this tour try in case of war. If two foreign nations were at war tis proposal under discussion would afford to the marching etc eels of one of the belligerents great facilities for assumisg fraudulently the character of British property. L•tthe house consider the difficulties which would arise when de protection of British ownership was claimed by one of the belligerents and disputed by the other. (Hear, hear.) That was a risk which he thought the house would hardly be willing to incur. Mr. BOUVERIE believed that that difficulty ma equally arias under the bill as proposed by the g ,y,•rnmeit, since any foreign captain might now be natur.dised at is expense of ten shillings. (Hear, hear.) Sir G. GREY said his hon. friend was mistaken on that point. As a condition of naturalisation, the secretary of rt►ts was bound to require a certificate of put resideoce ud m 'minims of the intention of future residence. Lord PALMERSTON observed that if it would be easy for a foreign shipowner to evade the intention of the law IS the manner stated, a British one might with eqtdd facility escape all difficulty by a similar process. The Marquis of ORANBY believed that whither the effect were to introduce foreign seamen or sot, the condition of English seamen would be lowered. In the words of Mr. Richmond, every British vessel would be reduced to the on. dition of a pinchgut ship. (Hear, hear.) _ . The committe then divided— For Mr. Hastie's amendment 53 Against it 197-144 The amendment was consequently lost. The CHAIRMAN said that certain alterations made is former parts of the bill rendered necessary the omissions( the following words in climes 17—that the whole of the crew should be British seamen, if the ship wee not of 100 tons or upwards, arriving from or departing for parts Ulm( the seas. Mr. A. HASTIE moved the ominnion of the follow* proviso from clause 17—" Provided always that every ehilf (except ships required to be wh;lly navigated by British seamen), which shall be navigated by oac British mans far every 20 tons of the burden of such ships shall be derranits be duly navigated, although the number of other less* may exceed one-fourth of the whole crew." Mr. LABOUCHERE observed that t►is clause wu tut compulsory. It did not render it incumbent that them should be a British seaman for every 20 tons ; and therefore he hoped the haute would not consider it necessary to pm' teed to a division. • —..---. Mr. BRIGHT was of opinion that the right boo. gentle man was mistaken. The first part of the dilute provided that every British registered ship should have three.rourite of her crew British sailors. The effect of the provito was le create an impression amongst tailors that there muet be dee men to every 100 tons—that whilst the American &p came to Liverpool with 3 or 3i men to every lin tons, English ships must have five men to eve/ 100 tons. There was no use in making Out a permissive clause ; if not rendered compulsory it would be of no value. The right bon. gentleman seemed tt be fei* lowing the precedent of the old acts, which were very rig' dicial; but he certainly ought to expunge this pert of the clause, because there was no earthly use in retaining itt, per ticularly as many shipowners contended that It wool operate very injuriously to them in entering into arrange' menu with sailors. (Haar.) Mr. LABOUCHERE promised to reconsider eh , provio on an early day, and to withdraw it if he should it to be mars surplusage. The amendment was then withdrawn. Clauses 16, 17, and 18, having been agreed to, Mr. DISRAELI rose to move that the chairmen report progrers, and ask leave to sit again. Before the chasm's, however, put the question, he wished to say a few words There had events taken place that evening which called fx some commentary before the house separated. (Hear, hear.) When he cams down to the house that evening, he t in common, he believed, with all present, had fully that at an early period of that evening one of the m^tt emi nent 'members of the house would do the house and tie country the service of developing his views upon the big* Important principle of reciprocity. This expectation wallet mere matter of surmise or supposition. The right home,' Heenan to whom it referred, had, on several occasinir, tinetly given the house to understand that, when this reached its present point, he would give the deselopmeat which had accordingly been anticipated from him. (Hen) hear.) No sooner, however, bad the committee proceeded to its work, than another hon. gentleman, not lets emnitnte got up to propound another principle. Thereupon the net hon. President of the Board of Trade proceeded to tit° ° " b the house by the statement that he wu prepare , ' for the sacrillee—that he had resolved with his colleagues to strike out no fewer than fourteen clauses of the bill, coorrehendiftli that very principle of the new measure which constituted its distinction from the meuurs of last year. (Hear, hear.) T" hones had not recolered from the amazement, when my fusion became worse confounded, at the announeemellt rem the right hon. member for the University of I I Osh that Pri n ' with tlew he t alt lept Tilt! ow adi bei el