The Express. — London, England, 1849-05-25 00:00:00

wirer sum ponder granola from Ida youth upward., awl he always thought that every nun of nail age, whether I 1 • r or householder, had a ?jell: to prone the bemelase, seed to think and act for himself. For hien, ad- I 'Maid WIN views I. rely life he hid ironed 10- *IN lees, bat he had pent v. red t overtakes, be awe be we unwilling that the auff-riap M en. deer should be perpetuated to the dor te wh.ch M (Her.) He wastes to state two or tires cars d rash bad seas under his two observation. The bast at rest eogii sr rise thioseeefier than they weer—(her)' but in hie 'Pair le lard abed tbe warbles In the tree Izmir of the er e ett l e t ran. due, word der the reser degrading pukka of the end trier freer, would bring airy wee thealswi were loth* pail, sad would canoe those votes to be era etcardies (1 the conesientions opinion of the voter, tail bee fru the trammels of Wier_ (Cheers.) Mr. 0. BiaILHLET cemtuieard a few murk. which bore by diselaineles all feeler of pensaal hostility, he add bad altogether paned bout his breast ,• bat although be hod been erred by • free constriery on es without cot, be re aoyertkeh a earees to let the house see to what en ester istkaidetion had bees peactind by the landl .rte. no her nenthie member proceeded to read entracte trims hire written by Mar carmen in Gloucestershire, cam e: tithe moredea and comupti to eniplayed by rod v.., end the bondage in which they were held wader **osiers system of intraidatime. The two letters isst MI was as irdiacrep the fret Wry Dom a tenant of Lord riterldrge: Feemerr, Yep 11, MIL see,—le rarer le year Ms of w SUL 1 here le inform yea thit li Iseekip Mr to his mesa has me (mg Yam ea self befog soave fee the bet tarty-three year), lee iv what reran Is best rim In liwedt. I dirk lea aware Ira 110 e TOW at ell at the Y denim. I Moe wow ny reser aseinna, _Don that the Ewee mirth me man Mr 1 re ming, wad if I wend set eel. a year me it wend he let weenie melee. Not Orkin o l ith Me I left et, &Shrub I Mard ilk. to Imes kept it; It as to pod retewa, eat I woe vet rued fir sky sokivatics. I there a warts right MI, weed haw beeedied me.—l em. der, per armbe servant, Joan Nutss.—rts the Dositenible Orrery F. Berkeley. Vey thee. Dear sad hawed Mr,-1 have Isensint yea win re lest of et re rear tanner, Seems, at dr rear l e:t im i l iserse. se 1 ant Eetearner, el Ms remidergete the Set He wen seresehere to lrtheseserearr.Otnillelmenert ; eV7 -- teldnot sole worsassarady opla st yen. les mew Mare noirevertne sot weie at all; ane he. Imeree, her ea wee be limTM has bola seihret to ellspa, gee epreveres; tat IPS ar et res that Ow mem Sem ledieriesed teem the hnsheed4 wirier Yid is, hemp di the ss.s. shell raw what they have se area if they Oat a env rm. neap his loran% Mee ear the karma Wm what len asisreele a the roman sorme by his koribip ire. beg 11wass. le,thet the ion 0 worn al. •ir mane them Mesas glees hr IL It wuMtaa mtar Wei he NM* Yens en I=l i ll . ast fed this ea rhea, rite the eoedinstisie me air in new, when the fame snail airs imam Wadi, Maim mare esthriagen nen and mine are to men the welt at task =raid. WO herr* at err • memer, ram fireons ell a treater err& a year. frese Ileum Is soo victim to driorth, and Set he WWI ea l &dared MOOR be the the smarty of the Wan.—Tate meet hired ad denied bird. The hem. member be Harlem Wired last year to the =wirmey as twits very the happy firily, sad Id mot avoid availing himself of the ids& on the geosion. The government felt the necessity of ge thriag strength from the large towns, in order to rem their repaid for large emestituencies and the purity of dale dos. His right hon. friend the member tor lianchneme wee shorn, no doubt with that view, to grace the Tree. eery beech ; hut, like a pulitical Jooph, be felt hiseseD impelled to fiy from it is order tosses his political vire& (A. laugh ) la ter, to coerced bad the miscue been at the let election that they no logger looked to the present government se steel ins to protect them. He thought that shortening the dustlea of parliament with out the ballot would be useless. If they did, they would caly throw rill greater poser' into the bars of the peers sad landed pr. .prietore. In his owa county, If an election were to take place every three years, it would be impossible foe the people to raise the sum reentry for securing the return of the man of their choice. He was curious to see whet curse the occupants of the treasury bench would take ea this erasion, when he recollected that the following gen times reed forth, ballot on the 2lst of J. 1.11. 1442 : Cal Area, South Seaff mlabire, secretary to 014134/;CO; K. M. Bel lew, tomb Oarri bi llordoffrearry ; Clem Berkeley, Glonceseer, Lord W erdwirokTi Ilan. 0. Ong (Lord used), Mahar late Ihereteezeined Oaten; Admiral Muria, Omura,. admiralty; OW O. North Nortimberised, Herne Haerstity (eibliefti ; Led M. Ember liersiend ; Hart Mon. T. IL remrse, Cabinet Mirsese; Sight Rom run Mon, Perth City. Secretary at War ; J. Posta. Merield, rentry of meaty; T. N. +ate e n kWh ternary ; Night Hr. to L. aril. Drionoar Net ; Mr Woinneerville, liengtor. Chief fleerwitT. Irel"a_LH. Tutivell, Demerit. secretary foe Treasury; tram Craig, ems burgh Oty ; Lan Linnet. He hoped he should find those primer of the arms crier still—(" Hear, hear," sod a lugh)—puticulany as he believed the noble lord looked upon it as an open gre ase. He prayed them and the house at least to make the upriser of tee ballot at the only remedy offered for that intiridatioa at election., which was so apparent that no one attempted to deny it. (Hear, bear.) Capt. BERKELEY said he never rose to address the hors under more pinto' feelings. He should be evreoely sorry to nuke that house en arena for family quarrels— (hear, hear)—but a sere of what was doe to one who wan ✓ent and sot there to defend himself, alone induced his to trespass very briefly on its attention, and whew he should have concluded he was sure the house would tee how wholly at variance with the facts of the cue were the statement, which had bra made. Allesion had hoes made to a tenant of Lord,Fitahaediever the same of Mena, who had been demised by hie lordship, not on account of any po litical opiates, but because first he reru.ed to live in Lord Firturlinere's house. and had been told he abound leave the form unless he did go, sad moony, terra he had been convicted before a ragierre of lopping timber. Boothe? socatratioa spirt Lord Fitetardinge was, that he had eserced his marry wish a view to their not remaining in the troop et yerionaary. He had a letter in his p lake from the bent. M that troop who wee a pok int oppoaent of Lord Fr s haring*, tad to which r contredictien his hoe. relative in the meet decided weer, be had hoped he would have beim spared the pain of names. That gentlemen, whose name wee My, waited on the lord-Beat of the county, and asked ha sires as to what they should do, being anxious to re lire the minds of the tenants on the subject; sad the Lord-Lieutenant said he should be extremely awry tbat a eagle sea should quit the rape of yeomanry relit the Dills of Berton had taken poet pains to get up, because he had had a quarrel with hie brother. Hie hoe. relative stated that Lord Fitzhardisp would turn from hie estate any MAD who should vote for the ballot Now, in the first speech that Lord Finherdinge made, after the passing of the Reform Bill, at a pub' ic dinner, he odd that the treated ttahe ever derived from the votes of his brother as min that wk.ch he pve in frau of the billet. He regretted extresely that ha shoold be dragged forward to Galt in Brace of Lord Vitshatdinee, and had only to hope that the home would reuse him for limns done eo. (Hear, War, sad eras of " Divide.") Hr. W. P. FOX seemly expected the house would have been disposed to demise el summarily and almost with ratempt, • warm which hid already been sancoioned by a deliberate mortice of the house. He should support the motion, bat not without regret. He regretted that a pro of this kind for an organic change should be C lt iol ia g s ht forward separately, believing as he did that the mode of mars the repro sesta:ion et the people a reality instead of a SIMI must be by a judici ius combinatioa of goesearee—(hear, hear) and that to carry the ballot while there wire is many censtituncies with so few voters would only be to sit-age retail for wholesale sorniptioci_. (Hese.) They were dearly told ty the author of Ur Helena Bill that se otionitaary was to sonata less then 300 voter. inside ss ato the disparity that exited between the clam that Bow and polities! deduction end the dam that had are, Wed slave cam, he was dicidedly of opinioa that the Met to be useful should be connected with a largo extension lift serge. Hie second reluctance to the ballot by It,, it was, that it was %oft for the country at present. (Loud rise of "Her,' from the opposition benches.) It we rid that the ballot would be a shelter As feletheod. Erb goer set to he the cue, and the fart rested with those whs made merry a erre. The some &ornery paid he wets ha that house oh re matter of dramotratioe. In cob gnat majority of cases the candidate himself knew little el the natter; but though unconscious as to the par ticular corrupri AL he could not be unconscious of the general management which took place, and of the mum is which the funds lodged at the Makers' in sash rasa were to be dinner of. Of this he sawn be aware, and he ought to make himself aware of the orchinery by which this we brought to bear on the rarer of the electors. Could hoe. menthen realise to thersolves that whirr went to serve the purpose of a wry laudable ambitious, they In ul t shrink with some dense of hesitation, He, himself, know a young ran aatdwith membee of that house, of premising talent, of pure pia ciple, of a still in which rendered it bera.ing that he theald empire to a seat in the legislature, who au induced to read eme entered abeetioe; end the soars he then entered of meeispller, of tri boating down of conscientious feeling in noes mitre, and of the tempering with their principles, I were such that ha grid not overe ate the moral dirgao they ore it ioned,and he determined to abandon all prospect of public life as long a his existienre ere Wired. He bad had opportunities of watching the progress of corruption, o r seeine the sir by which in a °outlawry of between 1,000 and 2,000, at first pure or nearly so, votes were afterwards notoriously bright and sold. The people were not corrupt if they 1/11111 sot led auto temptation. (Hear.) He know that by ha own experience. The borough he had the honour terreasent au • place with only an industrial aristo - rey ; it had 60,000 inhabiters; the franchise had been referred upon it by the Reform Bill ; and from that diy to this he believed no rause hart ben cert.ialy none had ever been prove I,01& bribe being offered and accepted. (Rear, hear.) la his own are he had n spent one shilling had never esked for a vote, and was not known to an indivi dual in the place by personal aequaistance beg re he received their requisitior. (Hear, heir.) Without the knot, whatever that hour right reprint, it would not represent the people. One great benefit of such a mode of voting would be that the candidate world feel the struggle to be, not one of triunes or party, but of opiates, and would therefore apply himself to act upon opinion le stead of going about widt a train of th es who had influence over the parties visited, he wnl I endeavour to reach the petioles of the voters, to act upon their minds, to give them knowledge If they were in ignor nee, to dissipate their pre judices, and raise the fabric of ica own political reputation on the firm basis of their iotelliaent support. In this way nations well' become a school of moral and mental in fluence, Joined of being a cooties' .us source of corruption and depravity. (Hear, hear) For the sake of the eon treaty ditto how*, which had &leery pared that resole , tion —foe the sake of the airily thousands who could not freely exercise their rights of citisenthip —for the sake of the parties who intisidati ci and domino. red over them—and tug the sake of generelng a beton feeling anianget these dram he should give hie hearty support to the metro. (Usu.) # • Sir R. VERNEY said the mask erement ripest the bat lot was, that the franchise was a peek rust sad dat and ought to be publicly performed. Were the voting that house secret, his. graben would lee the opeadeace either cosstituents. He rested his oppoatioa to the messes as this tingle round. Mr. 11, BERKELEY said a few weeds in reply, and the hoes* then divided. Pee the weir Against it COLONIAL POLICY. 11011 BUCK said be rem to mu for leave to Meg in a WI for the better gerremeat of gestate of oar colonial I pmendons. After disclaiming any wish to attack indi =te said he had eadearved not to take 11 by ellerks, • having explained as clearly • be ease in .print the 'Mire he held es Ale toettek_ead the principle he wished to see em bodied is a bill. leigheed bad been a renislag nation @Mee 1606, sad dreg ell that time had acted without any rule er prineple. He believed, if something were net dm very trickly, we should lose the mastery of or pores of our serial dossiers, sad should use it paw rase abs sway of that enerechiag ',pebble which had erre hem ennedves, sad which was rapidl e xtending its Boca th e Mitres of Prams to the North Pule. (Row, beer.) This wee so idle kw, er alight corers • an less it were erre le, this country ore see itself ;here of En der glom. and its strength stuttered in the eyes of the world. If this happssed, at would be brines they bed disregarded Mager when it was near, had aught esse rather tiles gm, had gives up the national interests to them who was insepaide of asoertaintng or undentand lag the danger, or hod pat faith in a government who knew net whet M do. He esespied as an triers& rides abs. the mitres were a Metal to Bag lead, sad Me et** mho setweee ef bar prosperity and trrir(Hear. beer.) By a roar empi re, he meant, pmeries of barren weer, or ea eras of empire on whish the or never se, but Item end seecessfel 00111- amid.% who were malingly and lovingly under the dand er et the mere orostry. who moldered themselves hearer by the searnies .and while rendering us berate, seised the hemp el thee hers, sod as. *thriving es %futile, or Ire reams Re mar am re of so asseitise disra pizem , i s by Begifshmon, se w eet tim mem, h wa ke/imps, mirages of Meer. ewer the = i d the vast emphesaw iiie pmememsd, and Utterly astir mray. as the ether her we had te min ed"' • l e gged oloodisorso, to gm* the peers leery la spite of their ram thee mu serial drier was a cures sad ast a blaming- a elm oe those over whom we wrier sway, sad to eerier who had the exposes of that dominion When complolets wee mode of the great expense of oar aaey, army end ordnance, the goverment said it was is* risible to diminish it, or how coed ear vast eerie ems- Fire be amentaised ? It ought to he mintaised by stak es the people willing 'stints, by the aid of the rem themeless sr set el the away. Sometimes our colonial eisaisieratiss Me been emodected with neglect, and that lad been he bust pros at other times, with mistitierese cuddling; end wham thi ; s ked readied a point which the eskers ogee no huger stead, titre we had unwisely ember them, and seen ourselves digressed and defeated, or we heron costreed to yield in a way almost as dis eased to Mast. Mr was a tar piston of cur colonial arlelen hem his esenshenessment to the resent time. It sommensed with Virginia, be 1606, when a charter was =es certain adventure's to estatilhh that colony, end Mar down to within a few maths past, when char ters had boss granted to a large coepany who mow do , mimere err the greater part of North Awls., sad to ohm tereseiesVauteres Island had her recently added. There was me wham, me humanity is trying to relieve the esteem of the sesery by shipping off burred& of thousands lei wesered ems intle distant wilds, sad so getting rid of I them. Oat of sight, mat of mind : satisfactory enough to ease, bet that woe not what the English statesman should denim His oaks was to establish each prudent and wise reseeding as should tempt men who did not find happiness at hem within their control willingly and 'elan. sexily to dirge their e ff orts to anot her hemisphere. He weed supper the roe of men going to Australia. Some twenty-roar years ago, on the let of Jane, 1824, an set of parliament pawed, in the reign of George IV., con ferring a million of acres on a company who were styled "Toe Australian Agricultural Company." Numbers of persons were desirous of transporting themselves to these million wires. He wosid stymie the verge and everything of that sort most favourable. He used mire them to have landed in an admirable harbour and in a good climate, and then asking " When are we ? " No provision bad been made for those persons in any portion of their domi nion—there was no predetermined survey by which they could guide themselves in going to any specific place—there was no law to guide, no magistrates to receive, no govern ment to control them. Pint of all, was that martial true?— and, if true, was it not a most extraordiaary sad lamentable fact that throughout the vast extent of their colonial empire thaw were no rules or regulations by which the people el ibis country could know under what emeastances they wars to be expatriated? How differently did the United States of America act. Did they leave that territory which they lately sogaired—the territory of Oregon, without any law ? No, the perms who went liters knew where to go to—they still retained the °hurter of American cheer, and not only the character of citizens, but their industry, shrewder, and activity ; and not many yeses would elapse before that territory formed two other states of that gigantic coefedersey which they ought all to tremble at. This was the way in which the United States acted whilst we left Vancouver's Island aa idle 1114.011 waste. But two days ago he received a letter from mom of his c nsstitnenrs at Sheffield who were about to estivate. Hs begged to call the attention of the house to it. They say,' Ws, a portion of your constituents, are about to leave this country"—for Canada, for New Zealand, for Australia ?—no, but " for Tex u, and the purport of this letter is, that you would cont. minket* with Bancroft, the Americas minister, and beg of biro to re his influence with the Portliest to grant us 4,000 acres of land." They then went on to state what they desired. He should like to knee why they were not going to oce of the wheel of England ? Was it not for this reason—that if tney went to one of their own colonies they would be 'edited to a state of degradation, to a state of uncertainty, and because there was no rule by which they mid in any way hope to shadow forth a di tint sad accu rate fears ? If they west to their own colonies they wont to ma rare coaditius ; they lost that position which every ioglidiesan enjoyed at home, no matter what his social state. (Her, hear.) He was not speaking fantastically or out of ii. own imagioatien. The natural gaud= which 'my ✓em wishing to emigrate with his family first put to him self was, "When ea I going to ? what are the laws there i" No uncertainty would exist in this matter if any rules were bid dom. Whim he was speaking of colonies in this sense, he thought it right to tell the bout. that to apply one rule of legislation to allot them would be irjudiciout He did not in clude Malta cr the teem Islands in the number of their colonies in kis ease of the word colony. His ✓outresides, resides, had reference merely I. America, Rosh Miss , Areal* and New Zealand. There a had as aboriginal population--a bold and ener rele—with whom they must deal. He would deal with would deal with Ike white, and would have =llBlllei la he k equal Ia the sr of the law. (Rm.) If they win where, ware descried to be, he did not think wield arise from the fact of their being natives. 7dlf=te the colonies he had mentioned, he meld have weeper of law for sottling—another seem when the Mks, woe Wile: and lastly, • erten of sonfederation or melon. These were the three elements which he would make common to all thee ironies. Did any peed* ell, now to them? (" Hear, bear," from Mr. Hawes.) He proposed, therefore, that they shoed legislate on the subject u the United States had de m. When they achieved their independence as antics the waste lands became en object of attention and care to the ale men who reed that country. They did not dabble sad meddle in everything, without doing anything, by rule. On the contrary, they pore comprehensive laws for thmegulatita of the vast emelleries belonging to them. They weed a law provid es he the gradual fonnatios of lands not settled into ememenities, till okay took their position as states, and became sovereign and independent members of the mks. He proposed that Way shoed follow the same erne respect's, the wild lands belonging to England. Oceopyint &position superior to that of any ether nation es repeed the mesas of extend* our name, we had never owe thooght k worth oar while to woke saything like a re gular law he Abet She ohjeet. Is abs year 1767 the United Seim sea Me whale of the adrieleg territory tabled to the mesa enemas law and biles down a rale es to the amber ef bream weirdo, deteessimed that when that number had bees noshed tht ishobiloate shoold shore Weir own petwootest. The _whale thing hod reseeded like a well-made wet*, and it hod sever 'sated wisdisi-op does. (Bear. boar.) The raealt wee, that Ave marifisent sewseign states had bees served out slnes the year 1787, exactly sacs the river St. Lawrence. All this we had seen going on. We had Upper and Lower Canada, comprising • territory get* as large, gaits as feu •ile, blessed with a climate which, Marrs rigorous, was also more healthy ; and while the AOLOTiOIIOI had filled the five states with a thriving and happy population, Ohio pommel ing at this moment 1,500,000 inhabitante, we bad hardly ten. beyond the ordinary progressive increase of mankind amid the turmoil, the dit:ontent, the wretchedeess, and now almost rebellion, in that unhappy eolony, which was not blessed but coned by our sway. ( Hear , hear.) Why was he now mat on the threshold by his boo. friend, the Under- Secretary of State, with the statement—" The colonists do rot approve of your pelaelple ?" Lot that pro vince be pointed out whelk would say " nay" to his roue ion. (Hear, hear.) What was that propeeltioa ? That when hem erg had been given to Upper sad Lower Canada, sad the conterminous portions of lead, and when • certain amber of inhabitants existed, the I or mote shoed immediately peer certain privileges. What privileges? Fir, that of representation—self government. What portion of their North American pro , sinews would object to that ? Metropolitan government was a necessary incident of his proposal ; and that could only be secured by providing that the governor should be appointed by the crown. Ile hon. friend would may that he did not object to the principle. but the colonists would. The princi ple which he (Mr. sebuek) wished first of all to esta blish was that of free trade between the colony and the mather-country : tree trade, not in name only, but is reality. Self goverment and free trade were two of the princyles on which he would settle a colony. Supped. g a new settlement were proposed to he wide b f o nd the boundary of Upper and Lower Canada, with a governor and • new assembly in the manner that be eng .seed, would toe government object to such a nr peal? His hon. Mend could not say that the coloaists of New lend would would object t o smam: a errease t Augrai roeat t a daire ln Ne i ; Zealand, and free various e'l. ser-g 'serenest had been apremed ; and no one ever beard punt of the rise mein from ) and the noble lord at the head of the government TUE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, MAY 25, 1849. .. ~ Hr. HAWES observed that he had never mid there ert an objeation. • Me. RORBUCH would like er• know, then, by wheat the Objection was entertained? If net by the Colonial Secretary it certainly was nut by the sewage. He would, hoarser, printed, and let the house judge whether or not his plans were wild and futile. He proposed that those portions of colonial territoey of which he lied spikes should be subject to this law ; that in retard to swain which parties wished to acquire land, it should be had &•W N • Ms that se land should be parted with by the saws AMON it lay within the surveyed boundaries of Isms distinct settlemeat. Now, he proposed that wbea a certain number of Inhabitants had been esesised—my 10,000—the settlement should eau to be • sesslement, and become a province ' receiving then a dad% soastitution. Neither of than steps was taken at pressat. The *okay was left to fight its unhappy way trough a constant series of opposition and di content at home sad abroad before it received anythiag like a constitution. For example, the noble lord (Hari Grey) proposed a bill for the government of New Zee laad. and he vestared to my that whim this bill Ina paned sot 20 members had read it. When the bill was sent to the colony, the governor mid he did not like it; and after refusing to allow any interference with his govern ment, the Colonial Secretary found oat that he was wrong, and c me to parlisateat to est it to caned the bill which he had himself "cooked " and sent out. Seth conduct cep peered to him to be very unstateuesalike, sad it minced that the noble lord had no clear, preconceived view of the ease with which he we dealing. If New Zealand had bet under the role of North America, it would not have been the wild, unsettled, sad miserable plus that they knew it to be. The history of New Zealand was alone *smelt to damn the oolosial adininistraties of this country. The Island of New Zealand, or rather the three islands, stretched in a slanting direetioa from the north-weer to the south-east At one end of the territory there was a missionary station, when there was a small white population collected, partly in eonseqeenee of the labours of the rahsionaries. Tee large body of settlers, consistieg of about ten thoussnd person., who were rich as compared with the other settlers, went to Cook's Strait,. a distance of 300 miles from the missionary station, sail theta made a new settlement. What place did the•Colosisl•oillos select as the fittest essillease fir (hi goverodr? Instead of sending him Memel es* wealthier 'settlers they seat him to the north, awe* the small body in the inissiciaary settlement. Then with awl Is the esquisitiod of land, the New Zeeland Com 11111,101bruitt land of the abwigines, the government et MEW sail " Ws doe's like this title, you shall not have the hind so mereired." The quarrel want oa —he scarcely dsoe teak whether it was yet settled—but this he knew, that it copped sll chance or impuvemeat in the colony for years, aid all this was because there was no regular law on the subject. He admitted that it would be best fur the government to pnpoee what was requisite, but if the government neglected its duty Fiore individuals must •upply their place, and it was not fair for the colonial office to lay "we will neither do this ours Ives na let you do it." When the governor west out to New Zealand he quarrelled with everybody, incladthg, of wane the New Zealand Company ; sad the savages being initneeill by the Durso pursued to decline that they had not sold the land, war, confusion, and bloodshed followed, and very valuable lives were lost, sad all because of the want of providence os the part of the C slociel4 He (Mr. Roebuck) sat upon the committee appointed to in. Testiest' the affairs of New Zeeland. We was not sparing in fault•findieg ; but he observed that the noble lord now at the heed of the Colonial-office approved of almost every hard word that he used. When the noble lord_ became a amber of the government, all his vat died away; his perapicasity at faalt-finding was no longer ex hibited, and though there had been a great flourish of cortitutioo-making, he confered that he did not know what system now prevailed in new Zealand, and he was con fident the settlers did not. (Hear, hear.) With regard to Canada, it was said some time ago that there must be no rule with regard to that colony, as everything was going on de lightfully. What bad bra the result of the attempt to swamp the Lower Canadians ? He recollected telling the thatnek c eseu i. h . w ou o l u d ld un ttli w a i t th th the e vea d t emi st j h o o r u i of yea rs the F a 1; cratie party in Upper Canada, and that, instead of securing their object, they would find tnesselves overwhelmed by • power which they could not con•rol. The event correspond ed with the redietion. They always looked to immediate and presdeg difficulty, instead of looking ahead and laying down a rule by which future diffienalties might be avoided. He proposed at once to convert oar North American colonies into a federal union, by which means they would increase the number of their colociets as fast as the Americans were increasing theirs; and he would observe that that very territory of Oregon which had been given up by this c matey to the United States, was now being ra pidly settled, and graben now represented in Cooper • territory which a few years ago was supposed to belong to this country. He might be told that he was seeking to pre pare the way for the independence of Cartels. Hs acknow ledged it. (Hoar, hear.) The time would come when Cs. nada must be ind ependent; but he wished to peeper her for becoming independent amicably instead of by war, in order that she might afterwards be the natural ally of this country and a counterpoise to the United States (Hese, hear) How did he propose to effect this object? Iu • very simile manner. The boundaries of Upper and Lower Canada should be defined; and it was one of the mast rte makable circumstances connected with our colonial domi nion, that the boundaries of no province were at this moment sotled—unless, indeed, the boundaries of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick Mood ere exception. He would have the nounderir of Upper and Lower Canada minutely defined; he would have a governor of the federal union, who thoult go sat from England. The appointment of the governor was the only tie they could retain ; every other must be re. signed, if they hoped to retain their colonial empire. The r•v.:rnor being sent out from this country. each separate state should send its members to represent it, and form a legislative trembly. He would then have the separate provinces represented as they were in the House of Representaives in the United States, in what should be considered as the united legislature of the pro vinces. He might be asked how such a plan oonsisted with union with this country ? He wee convinced that the mo ment the colonists saw that they formed a large coo federa tion they would acci l uire these feelings which belonged to every man who be °aged to a nation. In the set of parliament which be contemplated he should pro ceed first for the regulation of settlements, the localities of such settlements being North Amer:ea, South Africa, Australasia, and New Zealand ; he should next provide for the constitution such settlements, when of sufficient popula- Soo, into provinces, ate!, thirdly, for the arrangement of these roviacee into confedemeed unions. The placing such a statute as this on the books would remove the grand difficulty which now impeded the due colonisation of our possessions bsymod the Atlantic and the Pacific; with this new Magna Charta before him, the emigrants from these shores would no longer, as new, be deterred from trays (ening their energy and their capital to Mae possossions, by the fear of depredation, but would of pre erence seek them, with the fall expectation of rising by degrees into a great sommaity, and (diming behind them children proud el the toes from whence they sprang ; such colonies as these maid be our plory and our story, whereas our colonies, as hitherto constituted. had been timer with out exception, a humiliation, a shame, and • difficulty to Eagles& Tbe hon. gentleman concluded by moving for lame to being in a bill for the better government of certain of oar colonial pcsegessicios. Mr. HAWKS said that the views which his bon. friend had with his characteristic ability and straiplithrwardness now put forward, having just bees detailed by him in a publieation which no doubt most hoe. members and a considerable portion of the public out of doors had read, It would not he necessary to deviate, in this ease, from the rule of late acted upon by the house—that, namely, of desling on its first introduction with the principle of any measure not likely to meet the concurrence of the house upon a second reading. It was, therefore, from no disrespect to his hon. friend that he should oppose his bill at this earliest stage. He fully concurred with his hon. friend that it was swing the highest ad noblest functions that a streams could exer cise to administer wisely and well the vest colonial empire which we poseessed ; but he by no roans took the same view with his hon. friend of the state and condition of our coloaies—(hear, hear)—he did not regard them uat all s source of humiliation or diagram, to se, or to the colonists thecoselve•—(hear, hear)—os the contrary, he viewed man of these reat colonies as gm. &tally rising in y to the condition of future sties, that would hand, down our name, our language, and our in stitutions with honour to posterity. (Hear, hear.) in many of the great principles of colochatieu, upon whisk there bad of late been suck controversy, he wee glad to find his hon. friend concurring with bfm. His hon. friend, for example, did not propose to alter the colonial adminirration of this empire • he proposed, indeed, hereafter to limit it, action by the in troduction of a more perfect system of self govern ment, but with this limitation he would leave the general colonisation as it now meted. His hon. friend also pro posed to remove from the emenl legislative authority of the crown the soloaial legWaturee ; he proposed, in oppcsi- Con to some resent theories , to m aintain p erfect, and even to multiply our colonial possessions. Another principle in which the government practically coucoreed with his hon. friend woo that large colonies should, when really expedient, licidivided into provinces, governed by a ruled eeeee legislature. The government Weedy acted upon this principle. (Hear, hear.) His hon. friend aho preposed to minted° a civil list of a certain amount in our colonies, for the government and judiefary. So far his bon. friend simply concurred in that which already existed witoout any new legislation. He quite with his hon. friend that it should be en object with e e eo d lonial government to facili tate the formation of new se tiements, and to carry our, as largely se possible, in those already formed the principle of self-sdrmistration. In the new principles advocated by his hon. Mend, however, he could not concur. The proposed bill called upon the 8 cretary of State, upon the requisition of any set of persons, to form • settlement, in any particular spot they might select in the four possessions to which he referred : North American provinces, South Atria, Australis, and New and witho any ith sort of reference to existing interests and rights. (Hear, hear.) His hon. friend did not say a word, in the first place, as to the fund out of which the heavy earns, of merging out the bound.riee and preparing the st im e als med h t i o rhealvueirLdidewalolf t° the be leng P t i h id— ol ( tinuf ''ear. w h hicffi "r)— th an ose d preliminaries most needs occupy. His hon• friend's first I reference was to our North American provinces. Where, in these provinces, did his hon. friend mean to flu his colonists ? In Prince Eiward's Island he would find a virile+ thousand acres available st all ;in Nova Scotia. none; New Bruns wick, all the land had been entrusted to the local govern ment, end to interfere with this arrangement would be an utter breach of fella. (Hear, hear.) The land in Canada had been placed by the British legislature and the British crown entirely under the control of the local legislature. ILL bon. friend bad hued his views of eoleeriestins upon an alleged Awakes analog,; them vas no *"l°°' is themes. Colonissoica in the United States had fur the meat pert bees the grades! process of one state overflowing into •c•Wbbosring sate, the distance travelled by the r.lo nets being mud' and the difficulties oompargavely slight. Cobol:sties tress England had lc en the promos of men un :SI the ye* decigram, expensive, and slow precede of eon " °walle end their families 10,000 mite or 12.000 from their friends and their native land across either 0081 a to the estrereity of the earth. His hoe. Mead spoke of the increase of population in the Deka filets es affoeding a tact reflecting great dimwit the management of the Canada*. lathe left =l. if it were the feet that the population et dm Whet NW, had increased so mach more in proper eisa Oh= the theuthe, there would be no sack test aa the hem. Ipandemen eamidered ft ; het, in the soloed place, the past vat the tan way. es aura by his km. frised's own arm. /Yes 17116, *AI his lion friend, the population of die Hethid Ikon baehamessdto 23,000,000 from 3,000.000, wham that of Canada luessaly ineramed to 2.000,000 from InsirWell, what did them Saves show ? Precisely, that c., loused the of Canada bad inammal ter while that of the sited Bates bed only incensed e tha igh t t- th t e repose?: 'el ilia a llska asit. Ae f t e f d or iesli that i w i otne l the practical ,salt--would he aseepeabie I. Cant ? (Hear, hear.) Did he suppose that it would be a popular menace, throughsas the premises, ones nee making Lower Canada • squab peeethea,. to invest her with that entire Goa- Mel aril levier me the navigation of the St. Lawrence, width Nei Ism gee of the may grievances that led to the tenelien glebe penelmses ? (Hear, hear.) His hon. friend smote Hacksaws Bay Company's territories : would be w wf= 6 settime to occupy any portion of these terrier occupy smut of, without even consulting—for se it would seem he contemplated—the company who bad those territories under solemn charter? (Hear, beam) As to the satins, hie hon. friend seemed to take no heed whatever of then. He dealt with that queries, altogether on the Anse rime principle, that the title of the Indian was at once ex timplabsi hy'the advance of the American. (Hear, hear.) His thisellen to the proposed bill was peamieal, and could set be overcome by any alteration in the details, and, therc ton, he felt the hater ermine to be to meet it at the outwit with a direct negative. There was one otter remark .be would make. Suppers. the plan in climatic- it weak be in the power of iedivitheals--without the authority of the crown, to timed and multiply the settlements of the empire. Now, he was one of those who was disposed to think that England pow-ea a sufficient number of colonial settlements already, and that it would be wiser to endeavour to improve those we had, to direct capital to them, and take measures for developing their resources and establishing their prosperity then to extend their numb: r. But suppose these new settle. mints should not eseemed supposing they were not found able to support themselves, how were they to be maintained They meet appoint government caws, and incur other expenses in surveying and mirk* oat boundaries and other provisions rosemary in forming a new settlement ; end, supposing the settlement unable to maintain itself, thou expenses must be provided from imperial resources. (Hear.) And, from our expo rienos in colonieatioa—even in the most us settle ments—unless such assist: ma was previd is their earlier stages, they could not prosper. In South Australia, our most prosperous settlement, - it had been found neocaary to ad vance a gainer of a million in the first instasee; but haviag been established by inch assistance, it had lime gone on in ereesing in prosperity and in wealth, until it had become one of the most valuable colonies we possessed. (Hess.) But he contended that the view the hon. and learned gentleman took of Our COtOSIOS wee an unjust oar—that ear Australian colonies bad not prospered under the system of government which had been pursued towards them. He (Kr. Hewes) on the contrary contended that in material wealth, freedom, intelligr nee, security, and all that constituted prosperity, those colonies had gone on progressing in a marked degree. Lack at New ZesUnd, already it paid the expenses of its government. Port Phillip, a mill-meat erehlished in some degree on the American model, also had been eminentiy successful; end taking all these colonies —(he did not ask them to give any credit to the Colonial office for it ; for it might be if they pleased, in spite of the Coluial-office)—(hear, he ar)—taking them altogether, he must distinctly say—and their statistics would prove it—that during the last ten or twenty years, a most remarkable ad vencehad taken place in them to regard to all the elements of material prosperity. (Hear.) He might say, also, that he anticipated a still further advance in the prosperity of our colonies—he was not now touching upon the sugar colonies— ( orotectioniet sheen)—yes, he understood that cheer, and was prepared to show that those colonic* were more injured by monopoly then by the measures recently istreduced by the 'government, and which had been confirmed by the Imago but he was saying that be anticipated a still further advance in the prosperity of cur colonies when the principles of self-government and s. lfedepend enc. were more fully understood and carried out. He bad stated his reasons for oppoiing the introduc tion of his hon. and learned friend's measure. That opposi tion wax grounded on no desire to resist a change when any change shout.' be found necessary, but on the ground of the imprmticability of the plan. (Hear, hear.) Mr. ANSTRY complained that the bon. gentleman's speech was a complete misrepresentation of the proposition of the plea of tae hon. and learned member for Shef 11Md. Bury objection which the hoe. gentleman bad advanced referred to the mere details of the bill, and might be omisidered at a future stage. He believed that the gr at objection to the present bill was, that it would dc :Mu the Colonial-office dame of the power and influence they now preseced. Mr. ICGREGOR was delighted that the old system o' protection wee to be ahardoned in caul to the West India islands, believing, as he did, thee they would be more pros perous without it than with it. He did not agree with the plan of the hon. and learned member for Sheffield, as it would apply to Canada. He considered that it would 1 s most unwise end unjust to interfere with the power of self government which had been given to the lower provinces, where the prosperi•y bad been as great as the circumstances would admit oL In his opinion. if anything had tended to prevent the progress of New Brunswick, it had been the protection to the timber trade, whim had drawn the minds of the people from the cultivation of the soil. Nova Scotia, with • much worse climate, and far inferior nmural advantages then New Brunswick was In a much more astir factory state. Oar North American colonies now possessed AI the advantage of responsible government together with perfect free trade to the United Kingdom, end he believed they were in • far better position than they could possibly he under any other system. With regard to Canada and its annexation to the Untied Staten, he did not believe that any desire for such s tion existed in the colony. Mr. NEWDEGATE opposed the bill. Mr. WYLD promised to support the mo'ion, believing that if ever there was a scheme which tended to unite the enamel of the imperial government with the system of local '-c-'ration of colonial affairs, it was that of the hon. mem- her for SkeM-Id. Mr. AGLIONBY, amid loud cries of " Divide," also upposted the motion. Lead J. RUSSELL begged to ata'e shortly what he con. soloed to be conclusive ablutions against the motion. He gave the hon. member for Sheffield credit t r the ability his speech displayed, and for the large and comprehensive outline it afforded of what be considered should be the government of the colonies. But when the actual proposal was, that by an art of parliament fixed rules were to be laid down, by which all the colonies were to be governed, by which they were to die pose of 40 different colonies, of variouskiads, in various penis of the wort .1, he (Lard J. Russell) owned that he could net bet fed appalled at the magnitude and boldness of the proemial. The first objection to it was, that with tepid to certain of these colonies, it would intenders verb rights they possessed by act of parliament, and which, for anything we knew, they were not ready to surrender. (Hear, hear.) The hon. and tee th ed gentleman had talked of the " mischievous meddling " of the Colonial-rtfice—a sort of cant phrase which some persons were constantly in the habit of using, not well knowing what they meant by such words, and which he was sorry to hear adopted by a gentleman generally so accurate and precise in his language as the hon. member for Sheffield. Was it mischievous that the Colonial-office, which we., in other words, or e d her Majesty's secretaries of state, should forwald a duparch to a governor—that the governor and legislative assembly should send home a remonstrating despatch, end that another decpsteb should be sent out setting matters to rights. removing the grievance, and meeting the wishes of the col , cnists ? But If a majority of parliament were to meddle and lay down its rules with moult* tbegovernuamt of these colonies. end the colonies bend that the rules interfered with the just rights conceded to thus, let the house in that case consider the evil which would the. ensue of bringi?g forward other acts nf parliament to renouneeerhat had prevalently been claimed. Be an act of IPS the powe) was surrendered to the provinces of Upper and Lower Canada of deslieg with the hereditary rights of the crown, the crown lends up . to that period having been placed at the disposal of her Majesty. The hon. member for She ffi eld, however , proposed to abrogate aid abolish the rights then atknow trepi le the legislature of Canada, sad to Interpose rules of kis o en. Why, the dioontent that would arise on finding Vat their authority was set aside would be exceedingly To Intent. (Hear, hair.) Then the hon. gentleman pro msed some solar divisions of Canada besides those which now evicted, and that in a certain manner and in certain contingencies other provinces of British N ath America *milt be united in a confederation with Ca nada. This was not a new suggestion. It war one which had occupied the attention of Lord Durham, but the pre veiling mown of many best acquainted with the subject wa • that the phys:cal difficulties were so greet that there could not be a legislative union between the provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. What mischief, then, might rot be produced by laying down in an act of parliament that that union must take place whether the provinoes like it or not, or whether or not it would destroy their self-government? (Hear.) He contended that parliament ought not to legielate on questions of this nature without consulting the colonies in the first instance, because It would be manifestly unjust to deprive them of rights which we had acknowledged, and to do this without the slightest consulte r:on with them. (Applause.) But supposing the scheme to be good for the North American colonies, could it be carried out exsc'ly for Australia or Africa? If it were a meanie affecting matters at home there might be no obje.tioo, at all events, to its introduction ; but it re lated to a subicet upon which tampering amid n o t be allowed. If the Colonial office could not deal with colonial questions, let the utopia government ford placed in other hands ; but it would be most difficult nati gg vity of the members oft house to unde rt,as sue-ted. As at present, the hasovernment pr pose ake d itcer tain meuures from time to time se they considered most advilahle; those measures were 'dude the suhject•matter of inquiry in that house; anti if they were considered ineffec tive they were ansured. He was convinced that that was the best mode of legislation, and that if the bill of the hon. member f r Sheffield were allowed t" be introduced, the colonists would suppose that the bona. was about to adopt the scheme, and their minds world be disturbed at hearing of the great charges that were con templated. (Hear.) Mr. GLADSTONE felt it his duty to give his vote against the noble lord on the present email's. The noble lord bad se if the definitive principle of the seesaws to the extent were to be adopted, if it were permitted to be dale tweed, althotuth admitting, at the same time, that if it MN a Ritter of miner consequence, he would not be Jodie posed Mopermit the bill to be laid on the table, reservion to himself lie right to form a jadgment of its merits, wh n he harm more fully acquainted with its details. He abseil be mach dispooad to invert the doctrines of the aside led be that respect. As a general rule it was a mound ems Mew* the introduction of a bill the second reading • whide mato be opposed; but the positive objections of the SIMS kid he considered not sufficient at this stage of the ques ta:M. He dated that the hon. and learned gentleman proposed to intifille with the privileges granted by different acts of parliament ; bet he (Mr. Gladstone) thought the noble lord bad mimandercood the bon. and learned gentleman in that respect. If the bill were to make its way to a committee, no doubt it would be passed in such a form as not to interfere with any colonial privileges. He agreed that it would be matt unwise to deal with our colonies. infinitely various as they were, upon any principle of uniformity. But he understood the hon. and leaned gentleman to begin by admitting that there were many ex ceptions to the principle he proposed to lay down; and when they came to deal with his bill it would be competent for them to enlarge thole exceptions if they thought right He felt indebted to the honourable and learned gentleman for having given his thoughts • upon the gaieties to the public, and he wished to encourage him in bringing those thotahts in a more defined shape before the house. If he thought his principles uninsund be would undoubtedly oppose himself to the first step of his progress ; but, speaking generally, be believed the hon. and learuad gentleman's doctrines to he sound and tine, and that his views waled subdantially conduce ter the glory of England, and the prosperity of all over whim she held sway. His views reepeeting the establialileg .er federal governments might, and probably would, he ihniai impricable of attainment, unless slowly ; still they mimeo g ed and sound, and offered so possible a -solution or eery difficult problems, that he was induced to urge him forward, that hie plans might be considered by the house. So far from suck • mine being injurious, ft would only be thaw nant with that pursued by the noble lord himself respecting Canada, when he introduced a bill and announced his intention of not pressing it till the follow ing maim, that it might be discussed in the mean time in Canada. He supposed the honourable and learned gentleman had no expectation of passing a bill this session ; tout he thought its being laid on the table would tend to give a direction and tens to the public mind, and after being considered in the colonies" would thing material aid from thence in the way of suggestions when they was prepared practially to sperm& the question. It was from no opposition to any minister or policy ;but because the plan of the hon. gentleman contained may outlines which pro mised to be useful to the country, that he felt disposed to encourage his bon. friend by supporting his motion. Mr. V. SMITH said that as the right hon. gentleman supported the motion without wishing it to be supposed he assented to the entire plan of the hon. and learned gentle man, so he (Mr. Smith) in opposing the motion by no means wished it to be understood that he disapproved of the entire plan. But he opposed the introduction of the bill for the reason advanced by the noble lord, which he considered conch l's. Mr. ADDERLEY gelid, that there wan a general feeling throughout the country that some great change in the colo nial system was imperative, and the answer had generally been, simply the statement that Earl Grey was ■ gond minister. The country was not satisfied with that answer. The hon. and learned gentleman com plained of the hon. member's proposal, because he looked upon it as a compulsory measure, and as if the rights of eioloni-s now eliding were to be interfered with ; but this was not the case. The evil which it was sought to remedy was of universal admission. lie hoped the bill:would be allowed to be laid on the table of the house, that they might see the way in which it was intended to carry out the plan._ rte. in rejiTTard he thought that thege7 — noble lord and the right hon. gentlemen had hardly dealt fairly with him. In the first place, he was pretty sure they did not etudentaod his plan ; they had misconceived it. He said that because the y had misstated it ; for he was sure they could not have misstated it if they had conceived it. The noble lord had stated that he (Mr. Roebuck) propmed • plan by which he was ebour, by act of parliament, to in. vade rights already established by act of parliament. That was a gre.t mistake on the pert of the noble 1 rd. What he proposed to do was, not to take from ex sting rights, but to put them into a lucid order, to consign them to parliament, end, by these means, obtain a g al rule for future conduct. (Hear, hear.) He thought them was no necessity to tamper with the rights that e'id exist; no propose' of his would temper with existing rights in any manner. Therefore the nctle lord cid him an injustice in stating these things, and not allowing him to do what he in tended. The noble lord had, in times put, not tampered with existing rights, but utterly and completely abolished them. He had heard the noble lord propound a bill to do away entirely with the constitution of Lower Canada. Ile did away with the constitution of Upper Canada. Ho united the two Canada.. lie (Mr. Roebuck) did not pro pose anything of the sort, and no single tight wculd be in vaded by his proposal in Canada, in any portion of North America, or in any of our colonies. When it was supposed he applied a general rule for a not homogeneous colony, he was entirely mistaken. lie con ceived that the eelonies were entirely identical. You were dealing with English going from England to form settle ments in a wild country ; they took with them the habit. and feelings of their own country, and all that he asked fur was to give thaw some determinate rule, when they lett this country, so as to enable them to conduct themselves in the country which they adopted as their own. He did not pro pose to be able to propound so large and comprehensive • pith at once. He was willing to leave the matter in the hands of the house; they must decide. We all knew what a condition our colonies were in ; he had no hopes of a ge. nen' rule being propounded. We had been colonising since 1606, and we were now only beginning to do the same thing. His hon. friend had been guilty of making great mistakes in the beetiereceedinge of the colonial office as to the colonisation of Vancouver's Island. He must solemnly protest against one statement, that Eegland had possessions enough. England had not more than enough. Wnat he said was that England could not make upon this vut globe too many habitations, and it out of her besom there migkt come thousands, whilst only one man should be instrumental in Ithe enlargement of her liberal race, in the spread of her liberal institutions, of her language and literature—who should multiply the English over the floe of the globe—that man wou d not only deserve well of his country hut cif his kind. He had that pride in his countrymen which led him to thick that they could not be introduced too often to other countries, and could not make too many happy CG1121111101!iff. The house divided. Far the motion Against it UNION OF PARISHES. Mr. FREWEN moved fur leave to bring in a bill to em power justices of the peace to unite parishes into distriste, and to arixint a surveyor of highways to each district. The hon. gentleman said he would defer his statement of the ob jects of the bill until the second reading. Leave given. EXCLUSION OF STRANGERS. Col. THOMPSON moved—That this house will tette into its consideration the rule or practice whereby strangers have been excluded on the motion of any sines membea, w th • view to alter the same ; so that a motion for the exclusion of strangers shall be made and seconded, and question there upon be put, as is the practice with other motioes."— He said that such vetce had of late become rather com mon ; it was therefore desirable to consider whether such • power was of advantage to the public. He was unable to onceive any such case, nor had he been succeeded in dis covering any precedent. It was most important that the house should keep up in the country the prevailing opinion as to the wisdom of parliament ; and he trusted that acme thing would be done to prevent the repetition of what was generally felt to be an evil. The motion being seconds cl, Sir G. GREY said the question was one of such import ant* that it could hardly the n be disposed of in a few sen tence's. The time might come when an alteration would be thought deli-able, but he hoped that would only be done after very full consideration. Probably the hon. and gallant member would withdraw his motion, with a view to its being brought forward at an earlier period of the evening, when a full discussion might take place. Lord H. VANE suggested that the motion should be altered, for the appointment of a select committee to con. eider the question. Mr. AGLION BY should be sorry to see the matter re ferred to a committee, as it would be tantamount to a gene ral postponement. Considering that a portion of the strae gers were the most etluable part, so to speak, of the house, and that they discharged their duties in the most unexcep Soluble manner, he thought it highly desirable thet some decision should now be come to, were it but to determine that strangers should not be excluded, except upon a MVACD duly seconded. (Hear, hear.) The gallery WWI cleared for a division, but the motion wan afterwards withdrawn. INCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL. ten this, the first order of the day, The SOLICITOR GENERAL moved that the bill be recommitted, with a view to the introduction of certain unerdeneets, which he had promised to make when the bill wan in committee. The house having gone into committee, the clauses on which amer.dmente were proposed, were gone through, and the amendments added. In answer to Col. Dolma — The SOLICITOR-GENERAL clad that he should not propose the third reading of the bill before the tth of Jute, in which interval there would be sufficient opportunity for the toned. raiion of the amendments. The house then roamed. LANDLORD AND TENANTS BILL On the motion that this bill be read a third time, Crlonel SIBTHORP moved that it should be read a 0, rd time that day six months. The house divided, For the amendment .. 16 Against it 59 The bill was then read a third time and pseud. TIRE SHORTENING OF THE DURATION OF PARLIAMENTS BILL. Tilit wasr th rend first of t un ei e me and ordered to boreal second fa on li the • GRAND JURY CESS (IRELAND) BILL. This ball was read • third tine end ps•srd. Tae house theta adjourned at a quarter to I o'..lteit. SHORTENING TIM DURATION OF PARLIAMENTS.--MF. Locke Kin, paired o 8 in favour of Mr. D'Eyncoutt's motion wish Mr. Mines Gaek• ll. VOTE By BALIOJT.—Mr. Grenville Berkeley paired off la favour of tkis proposir ion with Mr. Moldy. ght erisreoo* OUTGOING MAILS. Kalb far Width emu , will W tam% up this emahar. The oldie I , X Vito Opueto Lisbon, Madeira, WI; and Gib.altar, will be made up on the morales of the 27th of May. the West lathe Maus Locludlng berreaus, damums. Nana; demeans, New Orleans, serl Mexico, awl miming them for Madeira, St. Jaers4mtaeorames, New Greases, Chili, and Fen, ilt se matte up oa the mordas of the hut June. The malls he afroteirs. the {Meads, and Buenos Ayres, will be mark upon the emaieg al dm Mb diva% Tile male. pie lasneales, to um Meditennese, Emu, Cryto Jane. ladle, Hamplirram dm, will beside up on the cents; of the 17th of ►he mils ler Gibraltar, Malta. Greece, the Icahn Islands, Egypt. vials, Orrice, led* Flaw-Kong, and CLoa, via notthaml•ton, wW be made up ea the 10th ofJuee. MOH WATIA AT LONDON MOOS. Two. D 44 —Warofte M AN. ems 3: Afeevonao. ID =N. ps 4 TAg 4 . 134 . -11421,1 84h441/41A.Not 4; Lbarawa. fW. pea 4 LONDON, FRIDAY, MAY 25. Tag debate last night upon the ballot, if deba'e it can be called, took the form of anecdote. The hon. and gallant mover expatiated on the ahus. of the elective system by the Bristol tories. Mr. Joni: WILLIAMS gave the re salts of his own experience in Maryla bone, and of a fiend's in Westminster, and told the houses tale about Cardigan,a boron which seems peculiarly adapted to illustrate the workings of " our representative system." Mr. OR ANTLEY BERKELEY was eloquent abount his brother's misdoirga in Gloucestershire, and Mr. Fox about the influence of corruption on the 'rinds of candidates and electors, who entertain a sense of the infamy of c irrupt prac tices. The members of her MAJESTY'S government, had any of them spoken, would, no doubt, have added to them illustrative examples of the necemity of the ballot, fom the multi of their own varied experience among different classes cf constituencies. But her Majesty's ministers did not speak. No one of them ventured to say a word either for:or against Mr. HENRY Thourgust's motion. As each succeeding speaker sat down some member of the ad ministration was expected to rime. Every eye was directed to Lord JOHN. There was a pause—a cry of " question," and then up got some one else. What is the meaning of this ? Was it merely the preMer's compassion fur members who had not dined, or had he taken a alimpo into tie future before. coming down to the house, and calculated that his consistency would be best maintained by silence ? The tortes, of coiner, said nothing. They had no thing to say. The arguments against the bAlot are, in point of fact, on their last legs ; or, rather, they re at now upon a single miserable crutch. Sir HARRY VERNEY, who was the only 'speaker last night against the motion, admite t t'st, were it not for a single consideration, he should be much Inclined to give the b allot his support. The " single a noideratioo" was sae that be appeared to think it difficult to meet: toe responsibility, namely, under which a voter !abours m administering what ought to b 3 e a sidered an important public trust. Ilu• let as pat a qacetion to Sir HARRY VERNEY. "To whom is the Ripon siblity owing ?" Sir HARRY, no doubt, has his answer pat. It is a perfectly consti tutional reply it even borders so much on radicalism, that he rather wonders we should put a question which should elicit it. " The responei h,lity," he says, " in due to the non-electors—to the non-eleetora of coarse." But then, Sir HARRY, we put you upon the horns of this dilemma—take your Awe cf them. If the non-elector is not capable of fuming a good opinion about politic., what respun -RAN r is owing to him ?—if be is capable, why should he not himself be invested with the fray chile ? The strongest point which was made in last night's d bate was 11r. Fox's appeal to the hotter, no repro sere ing the gentlemen of England? " Are you con ten'," said he, " with this demoraliz;ng system, are you content to wa?e through a flood of corruption to the honours of reprisentation—are Sou satisfied that the poor should regard yon u t miners and corruptors, rather than as friends and sup porters?" "Yon complain," said he, " of secrecy ; but with whom rests the responsibility and the fault but with yourselves, who make secrecy essential to the bet tr ?" It c ould hardly happen that this appeal should not tell upon some, at least, of " the first body of genii !min in the world." It is true that the majority of them are personally obnoxious to the appeal; but among the in there are those wle,se con scit noes are not altogether callous. The question cf the ballot seems to us to rest row ent'rely with the whigs. The protectionists are, of course, limns ble to appeals to reason, common sense, or political prudence. Against theca alone the question might be carried without difficulty. In 1842, when they were united, they were within a short dis tance of being beaten on this question. The whigs in those days, as Mr. GRANTLEY BERKELEY showed last night, wete almost unanimous in voting with the radicals in fivour of this motion. A dozen members of the government, most of whom will no doubt b! found in the list of last nigh majority, were then counted supporters of the ballot. But the whigs in offioe are different men from the whigs in opposition. " A tory in disguise," said Mr. DISRAELI upon ore occasion, " they call me, gentlemen, a tory in disguise. But I will tell you who is a tory in disguise— it, is a whig in place' These " tories in disguise " last night defeated the motion for the adoption of the ballot. We must see them in their real character—out of office and in op position to their hereditary tory foes—ere we can hope to carry this question, although it has so .trongly the sympathies and good wishes of the nation. THE news from Ceylon ought to strike ministers with a sense of shame and remorse. The appoint ment of Lord TORRINGTON to govern that de pendency was an unpardo-able act of nepotism, which the reckless efforts made to screen his blun ders and delinquencies have rendered still more iiffermive. He has now, however, brought matters to such a pass, that it can scarcely be imagined the most clannish of his patrons can deny the necessity for his recal. No man ever entered upon the discharge of a governor's duties under more favourable auspices than Lord TORRINC.ToN. His prefecessor in office, Sir COLIN CAMPBELL, ft brave soldier a-d tumour able man, belonged rather to the last than the present century. His removal was felt to be a relief. The most favourable accounts of his successor had teen in dustriously transmitted to Ceylon, and had prepos sessed all classes in his favorer. The inhabitants were led to exprct a scientific agriculturist, a man of business who had won golden opinions as a railway director, a ata'esman who had earned the approbation of Earl GREY. Every class of the community re ceived him with clirdial respect. The merchants waited upon him as soon as he lender], to request hie presence at a banquet given in the Exchange, in honour of the occlude n. Now, he has not a single friend or supporter on the island. It is no secret, that even at the council board he is isolated and at feud with Lie former creatures. The lattices hive in seine parts been goaded to riot and in-urrection. The Burghers (nativo descendants of Europeans), notaithstanding their hostility to the aborigines, have been compelled, in sslf defence, to assume en attitude of opoosi ion to the goverrmenr. The merchants end planters are to a man complaining of oppressior, regle et, and insult, from the govermr. Even the temporis ing at el the official organs of she island pries+ have found it neoesstry to turn a:ain't Lord IORRINGTON• The Ceylon %nes, a tory and government pap r, and the Examiner, a liberal journal which has =tie nr.ex =pled sacrifices of opinion to maintain a testing at Government House, have turned round upon him. They defended his Excellency against all previous attacks of the radical Obserrer, as well on personal as on political groun 's, but so rose are his f brim ti,ins in the deapa'c' eo published in "The Blue Book," that bo'h (as will be seen from extract+ which wa publieb under the head of C iylon) Eavc declared that they "cannot he defended." Sing, Lord TORRINGTON arrived in C+ylon he has only once visit,d any part of the interior, std that was on the occasion of an elephant kraal got up for his amusement. There is but one real panable by wteel catiages leriing to the interior: it is 0 three neon`hs since Lord TORRINGTON cooil - even to inspect it for the first time. His tiny F'' f,,11 17 Cl•