The Express. — London, England, 1849-07-25 00:00:00

RAILWAYS. TIM DAT, Two o'Ciocs. In the share market this morning bus;ness cow linues Hunted. Prices are quoted the same as yes terday, the ugh the tone of tee market is sesr:ely so good. Nunn Staffordshires olitinue to dieline,ml were last dose at 12:. In tte Free ch shirt-market Rouen and Havre were done this morning a 91. Other lines are neglected. • oho 1.- ----- daYup to 1 o'dock. BliTl.ll RAI I:IVAM 19 to 10 3 i 11 i tho.P°6 1 I dim. 9119 61 41 Do. Frei:ranee _, 30 6 a5kitt.,N0t.,80...114.1a. • 11 NA& X Danis Eat (Gt. *eat. perpetual p.. 1., SO IN dirsdnaliana and Olfora Jareilen,ealiadaly paid sr irk* • 'marmites SS SI Dw without a guarantee 131 Isina., and stow yallayr, N IS Bine, Walt., std Dudley calla duly paid, or with a guarantee . • •• SO 10 Do. It dhoet 'instanter • • *won, atm and Lures.. * and ilder NI 174 Do. Thirds Di Bweriinghaawhire 131 11; Do. tabu* • 111 Do. 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N... 1 ... ... .. 30 se Do. No. 3 ... _ ... 10 10 Do. No. 4 Rewieterid ... 10 10 Do. No. 4 oar, .. so es w.its ... ... so 10 Tort., Doer 25 lid Rotherham, an I, Cloole, N. UL en. 3 p.Ct.• 20 20 Watarionl and Kilkenny-I 10/ SO Wear Valley,. p. Ct. gna. 13 36 Do. dn. do. 16 19 Windaor,Statnenb.s.Wertl Mt. IS Tark,Neweeatlek Berwick 91 10 Do.Eil. TorkkNewat.)" 36 6 Do. O.N. V.. Puyettase or ?reference St. SO Trek ar.d North Ilidlank. 23 10 , Do. PreG4l,lXO ... .. Sil Si Isi II s Ss s I pa. 3 die.sl IS II i n is 11 44 fa It Blast diast 14 dis. 14 414 i ps. is l• 25 1 I 6i 12! ez tat Psi ii 174 161 23_ 19 9 9 9 124 dis.sta 44 124 ex. div. 5 di. 20 ci la 21 131 0 "m• clis. lee 17 ex is I Pea. 24 3; es balm dis.z 41 Solias 1 3 pm. I:11 11171 111 la 40 i i ds. 11 11, 7db. par 5 db. 1 db. 131 1 f 3 db.: b 12 13 11 14 31 41 db. fli 11 GI 7e 7 71 $ Ms. t 4 diszi 3 3 133 14 Si 131 S Si pou lie I 3 al l i 20 21 -- si 6 dls. 41 4 du! SO 3t .. it "slat..: 30 1 i 7 1 ex is TOMOS! ILIULWATIL AOO7-11611647 (late Italie sad Aumeriass2" SO &MO dad 20 Ouffilmil M halm (Virso) 74 Ml* UMW . 6 Omit 1641644 Poulawas lit Do. 4 Si dr gi 7 11# U as la 7 1 illa. far . gm 1 Pm Wu Par Pm. tiiiimbnas 10 Ds. Madrii . iadideitio “ 97 Samar siv. Lisp 13 Nathan of ?ryas; 7 °gismo aid Bordsses I. Farb sad Odom 1111 robed ken U Tins sod Aerostats .. 10 Isms sad Havre ID sombre old 1/A was 11 Tiers and 14,0100 Se 7 1 AS. I 2 dia. 4 4 tits. xi 29 91 ain 211 211 6 11 4Y. 91 10 21 7 di& LIVERPOOL. Asig, 24. iIeOCE-EICH ANOP.— The market erne set ee=t ash neither as rrirarda prism nor banner. Wes : Inneashire and Cheshire, 13a d . —lnnorldrs end Terledelpe 411 —DM; (Anti Awes), e. 6.1 a. 9d. Ins. 9ld. d.—Edtlo (1111 h W. N. V.). Se.. W.—Lando% and North Waanns. 113-INtto (new 14wee), S. e. 631—Ditto (a &ma), 121 Ilmth Eons (A). 236—Tort. Newark*, and Bannon (0. N. E. 6 pa Mt NN Ur. 3d. e. sta. sa. a. MANCHESTER, July 24. b[oct•Ezeur nuk.t wr Wlllefily dull, but mina mentanid lad quondam, these being eery little stock to the rub of adore tar sale. BIRMINGHAM, Jody 24. STOCK Eictuwoi.—TMr+ was very little Nielsen trail meted In our =are market to-day. and one= were kc the most natarantry. Mill tun were dare at Cell; libmwsbary and Btrtniag lot won doss at U. 10s. Ild. pea ; and Dimities= and., 1131. LEEDS, July 24. Seoce-EXCHAT4OI.—Tbsre ties bi. ea avenge amount dlmam done thi. isontinL wi th nui 1131 Picea. Cale dioniseo„ shertield, IV,therliaaa, sad mem. IN. the : York sat North Midland, :WI ; Ltedi and Tbbik Maarten, SU pa. BRISTOL. July 24. (!YOGI-XlCMANoll.—TlN"ziarkst was without saisaatioa, bat prices restarted much the sass. YORK, Jody 24. Broce-Exemowcro.--hoies: Great Northern. 91 en {eta sad rot enr , Ditto Prat., >N ; North it Trehreeet, 46 11e. ; York throoroile. ani bind& (0.N.6. Pe.), V. ler. 30. ex Ist.; Ytetoad North Nolimad. 301; Ditto Preference. 74 el int. You, NVOITAIITLI, axa 81RW1C1...41.1% J. Meld bis rat at the beard of the remnant* of invited d at the general of of Thursday last. Is fonwitkr"^' • Medal learnt la it about to be oriovemod to appoint another member of oastreittoe to fill ;dam THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, JULY 25, 1849. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF LORDS.—TUESDAT, JULY 24. The Earl of Set•erssavay (Deputy Speaker) took his seat at 6 o'clock. REGIMENTAL BENEFIT SOCIETIES BILL. Tee Bake ui WELLINGTON moved the woad readiest of this bill. These societies were ( . 1 .4 14 4 aa11, fatablia bed is regiments of the army under the authority of the Benefit Societies Act. 33 Oct.. 111. It had brim the wish of many caws in the army, mid especially by his predecessors, the Duke of York and L Hill, to put an end to these societies, bat it was found impossible to do to without an act of par. Bement. The object o• the bill was to ions a commission to ascertain the claims existine in each a. eiety, and redistribute them macaw the parties entitled to receive the funds, either to the respective savings banks of the soldiers in actual ser vice, or to the pensiunere entitled to receive their several por tions. Without this bill such en abject could not be effected, the fund being now linked op. There re cerown men t a l charities, administered by the com mendin which wool! be subket to the sprawl of the commisidoe. There were very many charities existing in the army, he woe happy to my, the funds of which rowed admisittere& The bill was then read a second time. INLAND PORTS (COLONIES) BILL. This bill pasted through e mantas. LABOURING POOR ACT BILL. AMENDMENT (IRELAND) This bill pasted through committee. LAND IMPROVEMEN fS (IRELAND) BILL. This bill parted thrive!' C. NEW ZEALAND CONVEYANCES BILL. The Earl of St. GERMANS sieved the second reading of this bill. The Duke of RICHMOND mid It was very inconvenient to have the mcond revtiug of a bill ro which Wall not on the paper. This Wa4 lime . ho neny bills were smuggled through the bocce, end it behoved their lordships to be careful. He, however, knew nothing against this bill. The bill was then read *second Err*. COMMONS INCLOSURE (No. 2.) BILL. This hell was read MAR rd tMe and named. RIAGE BILL. On the pretentatisn of the petition .rom Lyme Regis by Lord RIDISDALII, L-rd CAMPBELL said he would avail himself of that opportunity of saying that he was very glad this bill had been withdrawn to the other house i.f parliament. He should have telt it his duty most strenuously to have op posed it. He thought the marriage a with a wife'. sitter social life. The Earl of MINTO trusted the opinion of his noble and learned friend would not be taken as representing the feel ing in ilootlond. Lord CAMPBELL Rid the feeling in Scotland was almost unanimous against the bill. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE regretted to have heard his noble and learned friend express stv.h an opinion, and begged to call the attention of their lordships to the mew if the day. POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE moved the third Ned lag o' thia bill. After short conversation the bill was read a third time and passed. TRUSTEES RELIEF BILL. Lord CAMPBELL moved the second reading of this bill. BANKRUPTCY (IRELAND) BILL. Lord BROUGHAM moved the second reading of this bill. Its object was to extend to Ireland the provisions el an act which had been unanimously voted for England. The Duke of RICHMOND objected to the second waft as being informal. Lord BROUGHAM replied, and theb LI was then semi a second time. BOROUGHS RELIEF BILL. This bill went through amain'', after some observations from Lord REDRIMALR, Lord BROVOHLW, and the Earl of WARWICK. MILITIA PAY BILL. This bill wee toad a mood time. BUSINESS OF THE SESSION. Lord STANLEY took occdsion to call the tumid= of the house to the circumstance that they had now arrived at within four days of the clout of the &orlon, and that seven new bills bad been brought up from the House of Commons, all of which wen to be real a first time, end many of which were of considerable importarce, more particularly the Pilotage Bill. He mast say that nothing could be more un yetis:setup or discreditable than this fact, and he begged to ask why these bAls had bun delayed to so late a period of the on ? Earl GREY said that the complaint was unfortunately too well rounded, loot it was not a new one, for it had been made for the last fifty years under every government. He leered it was a necessary consign( DP of constitutional government, for the noble lord must know that the minis. tors had only two nights in the other house, and often they wen impeded by motions on going into committee of supply. As to the Pilotage Bill, that woe merely a permissive bill to enable the Trinity House to relax their rules in favour of British shipping, and there could be no opposition to it. He only could again express his regret at the lateness of the period at which the bills in question were brought in, but it was unavoidable. Lord STANLEY said the noble earl's excuse could not apply to the Pilotage Bill, for that was only brought in to the other house of parliament on the 12th of July, and it had met with no obstruction. The conversation then dropped. Adjourned until to morrow (this day) at half-past four o'clock. HOUSE OF COMHONS.—TrESDAT, JULY 2-1. The Bram= took the chair at 12 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. SECOND READlNGS.—Tcoopest's Estete ; Theophilus Clive's Edw.; Wilma's (St. Thomas's Church, Woolwich) Estate; Bills. NBW ZEALAND. Mr. AOLIONEY acquired whether the Under Secretary for the Colonies had any objection to lay on the table of the house copies of, or extracts from, tLe despatches lately re wired from New Zealand, mere especially those relating to the constintisu of the Legislative Assembly at Wellington. Mr. HAWES replied that before the se.eion closed he should be able to lay upon the table certain papen which bad been received from the Governor of New Zealand; but he must add, that he should not think it consistent with his duty to produce those elating to the formation of the legislative council, and the alteration of the representative constitution of the colony. Whilst referring to New Zealand, be would obseeve that nothing crnld be more satisfactory than the accounts received of the state of the colony generally, whether thee had regard to the steady progress of the oniony or to the amicable extinction of the na•ive title, which had been effeckd to an extent they had little reason to hope, entirely by the energy and ability of the Governor, in perfect concurrence with the New Zealand Company and the natives generally. (Rear, hear.) RETURNS ORDERED. On the motion of Mr. Dichaoh, the following returns were ordered : Return, is detail, of the particular items composing eseh of the several sums following, as certified by the Shannon Commbrioners to have been payable by the county of Lime rick, in the savant yeses following, viz.:— s. 1611. Spring mins gamma rims IMO 16 o Mi. Spring swims wi fommee sms 1615. Bpelst mem 292 19 2 nab =Am 2,530 IS 0 03,334 17 Oi besides lane sums for interest. Also, Return of the amount of stamp duties in Ireland, for each year, commencing with the year 1840, up to the pre sent time. CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIATION) BILL. On the motion that the Speaker leave the chair, is order to go into committee upon this bill, Mr. HUME rose to draw attention to the vote for convict which had been agreed to en • previous evening. rb r r e hote would recollect how anziou of late pan they had bees, an the resemossallatioa of various emmitemes, to tzsthe Mama sameregided kr difilment pumas mauler end sopente Made, with the view - of a maw sheik and word. In former years the exposes Mr wades, penmen, and gaols was very widely speed—some la sae adman sad some in another—so that it was extremely Mad es asesetsla what wee the expense of each depart meat. That smarm, however,had been altered, and fa some Teen gent those items had been properly classified. He now 4111111pisimed, that under the had of " law and justice," the alainittee had the other evening in his abeam from the Masa, mend in one vote of 750,8231. Its dish had feemetly occupied no lees thea 14 votes. He looked upon that u a gross deviation from former practise, sad he was at a lon to understand why such an iamovatlls sisould have beta permitted. (Hear, hear.) He wished es know from the tight hon. gentleman, the Cheassiler of the Exchequer, whether be would le-testate those 14 mesa In bringing up the appeopriation elates, and place the woman as they Mead in 1847 and 1848. (Hear, bear.) Mt O. GREY said, as the greets pad of the vote is ram cease under his office, be Mahe. whop, be allowed =why it appeared in the present from. The esti. bum framed in that shape in arise to carry out dal be unsolved to be the recommendatioa of the cost- MOM en the miscellaneous estimates, which at last yesr, deleted, that so far from the estimate in its previous tors being perfect it led to the greatest inessamienee, being cam. =lamely et admiralty, pertly of Weald. md pertly of votes, so that it was impossais M semtein what the exposes of that branch of the mblio swim rosily was. At the same time, if it were thought lassammisat that those Sim should be brought under one head. it might be possible la Mom es separate them, but it could net now he dime la the menet stage of the Appropriation BM. Hr. V. SMITH telt bead to say, it the right hoes. baronet thought that in adopting the present arrangement he was following the recommendation of the committee ea the Ma cellansou estimates, that he had never made a greater mistake in his life. (Hear, hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER trusted that hen. gentlemen would remember that on the whole an amount of information had been given to the public this year which had never been given them before, and that votes bad been brought under the public consideration which they had never had an opportunity of discussing be- fore. (Hear, hear.) He quit* admitted the Grew of the objections which bad been raised to the plan that had been adopted. 113 confessed lie had some doubt about itethen the vote came to the - Treassny, but understanding that it was what the Homeonflice believed to be in accordance with the recommendation of the committee he bad acquiesced in the vote brio; bronchi is in that shape. He recommended that the house should let the vote pass now, and before next year be would to sub-divide and TIFILIFIDV H II it so as keep the different item separate and distinct. (ear.) Mr. V. SMITH said undoubtedly the information which was afforded mig ht be mat useful; but it wu utterly useless when they were allowed no !means of availing themselves of it. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME said, after the promise of the right hon. gen tleman e Chancellor of the Exchequer he should not throw any th further obstacle in the way of the 'Speaker leaving he chair. The house then went into committee, and the bill passed ,through. The Railways Abandonment Bill, the Royal Pavilion (B r ighton) Bill, the Turnpike Acts continuance, &c., Bill, and the Pilotage Bill, were severally read a third time and paire EAd. LSEHOLD TENUREBILL. OF LANDS (IRELAND) On the motion for going into committee on this bill, Mr. LAW moved that it he committed that day three months The object of the bill was to convert leasehold tenure in Ireland into fee simple bye compulsory process upon an alleged exigency expressed in the brief preamble of the bill. He contended that such exigency did not exist; but that the bill was colsuleted to inflict serious injury on a very large bony of landowners in that country, and more espe cially to affect the interes ts of the Irish Society and to interfere with their chartered rights. This bill materially interfered with the exercise of the powers of the Irish Society. Every item contained in the preamble, was not only inapplicable, but the contrary was true as reg arded the Irish Society. Mr. H. ORA.TTAN was inclined to support the amend ment. lie thought that before coming to an ultimate decd *ion the house should have before it the charter of the Irish Society. Sir J. YOUNG said that the hon. and learned recorder bad not been able to urge anything against the principle of the bill, but had contented himself with claiming exemption from its operation for the Irish Society. lie should cer tautly support the bill. Mr. NEWDEGATE, seeing that many members who took an interest in this question were not present, moved that the debate be adjourned. Mr. LAW complained that the second reading had been taken after twelve o'clock at night. Ho had intended to move that comes , I be heard at the bar previous to that stage being taken; but being . exhausted with watching was un fortunately absent when the question was put. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that the principle of the bill was so generally conceded, that the only tbiog its promoters had to feu was delay, and be felt satisfied tha• unless by delay there could be nothing like a successful resistance. Mr. F. FRENCH supported the motion for adjournment. Mr. MONSELL supported the bill, which he said was most anxiously looked for in the south of Ireland. Mr. NEWDEGATE withdrew his amendment, but at the same time expressed his opinion that the Irish Society had not bad a fair hearing. Mr. LAW also withdrew his amendment, and the house went into committee on the bill. On the first clause, Mr. FRENCH moved as an uundmentthat words should be inserted, giving the lessor power to convert leasehold to a perpetual tenure, if he think ht. Mr. LAW supported the amendment, his objection to the measure being its compulsory character. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL contended that no injus tice could be done by compelling the lessor to convert the tenure for lives into a perpetuity, the lessor having no more interest in the property than the owner of a quit rent. The real interest in the property . was vested in the lessee. who bad the right of renewal from time to time. It would be as rea sonable to say that the lord of the manor in England was the owner of the property which belorged to the cohold tenant, as to say that the imam of those properties I reland in respect to which the lessee bad the perpetual right of re lies's], was the proprietor. The lessor was entitled to certain advantages in the shape of fines on renewal, and for theta it was proposed to compensate him. The amendment was negatived. Sir R. FERGUSON moved the omission of the words, " And every such grant and counterpart shall be prepared by the owner by whom the grant is made." The SOLICITOR-GENERAL suggested that an amend ment to carry out the object of the hon. gentleman should be proposed on the third reading, as to press it now mieht seriously interfere with the progress of the bill. Sir D. NORREYS thought as the chum stood, unless the landlord was willing to make the grant, it w,.uld be impos sible to obtain it. Sir R. FERGUSON intimated his intention of taking a ivision on his amendment, either now or on the third reading. Mr. F. FRENCH hoped the words would be omitted at once. After some further coneerestioe, the SOLICITOR GENERAL consented to the omission of the words, inti mating that, if he should afterwards think it necessary to do so, he would move to re-insert them on the third reading. The words were accordingly struck out. Sir J. GRAHAM asked whether the clause did not differ from the Church Temporalities Act, in regard that it did not make it compulsory to turn their leasehold holdings into Le farm rents ? Sir R. FERGUSON observed that, under the Church Temporalitha Act, the tenant applied and obtained the per petuity ; if he did not apply he held for 21 years, his tenure being. in that cue, renewable as before. It was the same thing here. The SOLICITOHGENERAL admitted that the clause was open to the objection advancei by the right hon. baro net. He admitted that this was a defAt in the bill, but he saw no means of avoiding it. Sir J. GRAHAM wished to know if the rams option was given as in the Church Temporalities Bill. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL should not like to pledge himself on that poi.nt without seeing the Church Tempora lities Act, but he believed the same option was given in both cases. Sir J. GRAHAM emsidered that if it were politic, which he did not deny, to convert copyholds in England, and these leaseholds in Ireland into perpetuities, it was most desirable that they should proceed on some general principle, and well as conversion should be compulsory on the One side as well as the other. Mr. AGLIONBY should not be induced to oppose the bill because it was compulsory on the one side map After some further conversation the commtttee divided on the clause. Ayes 1-50 Noes The clause was ordered to stand part of the bill. Clauses 2 to 24 were all agreed to. Mr. FAGAN moved the following amendment to the in terpretation clause : After the word • agreement," in line 39, page 24, to Weer., " end ler the of this act, a covenant or agreement, giving In au, rinia le sena or under less., for a term et net Imam ninety yams, en • Ufe or seven, a Perpetual *IA et renewal ea the of a use or lives within the tam be odd* seek lame or brae, or the renewed levee or undo lore foe the Uwe being in bees may have been granted, shall, although covenant te o=ement wog IDA give right of entreat la the event of the tion of tandai r e po r Zee edinzion of time, be deemed a covenant or agreement br renewal of such base or 13201/Antee." he amendment was agreed to. Mr. DICKSON moved the following clause: Whereto sew lands we held In Ireland by leases for a term of peen sweesdleg Wren Mabee years, with a proviso or covenant gentehml thiwes, that tawniness mesa mend should so long live, end containing s gismo sr .sweat to renew those three lives (rota time to time daring said term el years, without el wey ilia upon such renewal; and where's the necesity of alarlaeig out no. newels is useless, oppreedve, and vezatisua, be it thembwe by the authority aforesaid, that any such lease shall math= set good as • lean for the full term of years originally maid by rat lease, discharged of any noel condition tote theta= bdag dependent on the continuance of any lives named therein, or the neosesity of re newing same. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL thought the clause did not came within the scope of the bill, and he Mt therefore bound to object to it. The clause was then withdrawn. Mr. LAW moved the following elasess; Arne be it emend, gat me*. W this tot wersiml dad extend or le etartreed mask smes.dlealeish. dem er Xis away ef the *M prKgelkPewera, or anthertare wised In or err joyed by, er deem er menus, impasse sea m the gesialy et the On. serer end rakes" Imam of the New Plenisden Mar, within the metes el Indsmt, maw sr by sista, et tap shorter or *wawa harebewe gourd es Owes by the erown, or et on et :tuts or stomas is wwwies seletiew theme& And be It acted, that andigia this Mt emend, or no simeireed to extradoo prepu else Ala wedge es alit Ms waste er wienso, or the Wrest er laseemes, et the mid essisty in any _hale, tmewasta, borealis ...ea le which thew are now IMMO We me sedety shall as felly end efkotually maintain end may di their NOM estates. end kismet" of, in, and to any kinds, Immo% bereditamente he viddithey are entitled at the esmisg ce INo ser, he se leap sad ameba manner, to all intents ad purpose% Is if this salmi net ben prod. Aldermen SIDNEY suppirted the clause, bogus he saw net the slightest reason for extending the provisions of the bill to the Irish Society. Sir R. FERGUSON said there was no difference what ' ever between the lessee in perpetuity granted by the Irish Society sad granted by anybody else. Mr. LAW said that a covenant to - rapport a plantation and IMO el repair were as widely different es day and night. Oskar' DUNNE °prised the damn, and expressed bim etal none to all compulies holding land. The ie.ealtt.e divided— es. lO Noes 88-78 TM clauses were accordingly rejected. The remain Is dims of the bill were than paned, and the home Ximmed. CUSTOMS BILL. On the motion for gning into committee on this bill, and ea the bill was proceeding, Mr. THORNELY ezprested a hope that the govern ment would, before next session, sweep away every quaran tine repletion which had been a disgrace to the country. Mr. ANBTBY referred to the quarantine regulations el foreign countries as the result of our own; and expressed a hope that they would soon be abolished. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the subject was one well deserving of attention ; but as this clause merely facilitated the taking of goods out of quaran- tine, the occasion was not • favourable ono foe the discussion of the whole question. On clause 30, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated, in sewer to questions from Mr. NeWDEO/31 and Mr. Sreorms, that, In future, there would be no distinction as to corn in bond, because there would be no bond. The bill parsed through committee, and the house resumed, the report to be received this day. WORKHOUSE LOANS (IRELAND) BILL. The house then went into committee en tLis bill. Oa clans* 1, Mr. STAFFORD asked why the particular sum of 50,0001. was fixed on ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he had ' taken the nearest . round sum which he thought would be required. Tee principal fund to which he looked was the repayment of the former workhouse loans, of which 150,0001. was due. Mr. GRATTAN complained of the extravagant Yet of union workhouses in Ireland, from 4,0001. to 12,0001. If government would give him the contract', he would execute them at half the expense. (Laughter,) Mr. ANSTEY said that the control which the guardians ought to have ever this expenditure was taken from them by the commissioners. The clauses were then agreed to, and the house resumed; the report to be received this day. TREASURY INSTRUMENTS BILL. This bill t used through committee. SLAVE TRADE (PERSIAN GULF) BILL. Oa the motion for the second reading of this bill, Mr. ANSTBY complained of an irregularity, the names of the promoters o f the bill not Laing on the hack of it. After a short explanation from Lsrd J. RUSSELL, the bill was read a second time. HOUSE OF LORDS COSTS TAXATION BILL. This bill posed through committee without amendments, and wee reported—to be read a third time this day. GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTH BILL. The amendments to this bill were considered in committr and agreed to—the bill to be reed a third time this day. METROPOLITAN SEWERS BILL. The house went into committee ea this MIL Clause. 3 to 10 were struck out, as were clauses 20, 21, 23 and 27. Mr. HUME alluded to the constitution of the metropoli tan commiuion of sewers, and said it would be better for the responsibility to be thrown on some small number of sala ried members. - - The remaining clauses were agreed to and the house re sumed—the report to be received this day. CRUELTY TO ANIMALS BILL. The amendments to this bill were coniidered and agreed to, the bill to be reads third time this day. NEW WRIT. On the motion of an Hort. Memnea, a new writ was ordered for the borough of Boston, in the room of Sir James Duke, who has accepted the stewardship of the Chiltern Hundreds. The house then, at half-past five, adjourned until seven o'clock. The house reusembled at 7 o'clock. WARS IN INDIA. Mr. Imam gave notice that to morrow (this day) he should move for a return of the expenses of the &rinds and Affghan wars. REFORMATION OF JUVENILE OFFENDERS. Lord ASHLEY rose, pursuant to notice, to bring under the notice of the house the state of a portion of the juvenile population of the metropolis, and to move that it is expe dient that means be annually provided for the voluntary emigration to some of her Majesty's colonies of a certain number of young persons of both sexes, who have been edu cated in the schools ordinarily called Ragged Schools, in and about the metropolis. His lordship said that the first thing which might strike the house was the late period of the ses sion at which he rose to bring forward this motion ; but he wield assure them that nothing but the utter lack of oppor tunity hod prevented his bringing it under the attention of the house long ago. From day to day he had sought occa sion to introduce it, but be had been invariably doomed to disappointment. Last year he stated to the house that the number of that class in the metropolis, whose interest I he then attempted to represent, amounted at the least to 30,000. It could hardly be expected, under the present system, that he should be enabled to show any very great secial improvement in there persons, for so long as we kept our people in their present sanitary state, so long as they were stifled in courts and alleys,—the dens and haunts of infamy—so long would there be no hope whatever of any material improvement in teir physical end social condition. (Hear, hear.) The improy h i ment which he should endeavour to trace would be in the numb r and increased efficiency of the schools, and in the conduct of the scholars. In 1847, the number of males taken into custody by the metropolitan police was 41,479—0 f those there were, under the age of 20, 8,405; b-tween the ages of le and 15, 3,228 ; and under 10, 3'6. Now let the house compare those numbers with the year 1848. He found that there were taken into custody 42,932 males, of wham there were under 20, 8,776; between 10 and 15, 3,604; and under 10, 312. Then the total increase of males taken into custody was 1,454. Of that number one half was due to those under 20 years of age ; but of those who were taken into custody under 10—that being the age of those who attended the ragged schools—the whole increase was only 6. But now, when he looked at the whole number of men taken ' into custody between the ages of 10 and 20—a space of 10 years—he found that there were 12,692, whilst those between the ages of 25 and 50—a space of 24 years—was 18,000; only one-third more. But when he cam • to cases of trial and conviction he observed a great disproportion. Of males there were tried and convicted, between the ages of 10 and 20, 1,227 ; wh f males, between 2.5 and 50, there were 1,069. The same rule tell goad is Manchester, where the police made similar eereful and exact returns to those made by the metropolitan police. He found that there were taken into custody, between 10 and 20, 1,100 males, and be tween 2.5 and 60, 2,000. When they came to trial and con viction, he found that between 10 and 20, 165 were con victed; whereas between 25 and 50 there were only 129. It was perfectly clear from these statistics that the seeds of crime were sown in early life, and that if they were eradi cated at that time those parties would not grow up into cri minals. Now he had circulated this question to various committees in charge of ragged schools, to City missionaries and others, who had the greatest knowledge of people in the poorer classes of life. "Do many adult males become criminals for the first time after 20 years of age ?" The answer from 43 committees was this, " Very few.", Here was a specimen of the answers he had received. One said, " A small proportion, and those chiefly through drunkenness and want of employment. In London many country people and Irishmen become criminals after the age of 20." Another said, " I should say, not lin 50 took to those courses after the age of 20." And another, " I believe that among the poorer classes of society hardly any become criminals for the first time after 20 years of age." (Hear, hear.) A short time ago he was anxious to ascertain from personal inspection what was the actual condition of these persons, and be therefore, in company with two or three others, perambulated the City of London. The house would be surprised when he told them the condi tion in which he found these persons—lying under dry arches, on the steps of doors, and in outhouses—but by fax the ma jority of them lying in the dry arches of houses in course of erection. Those arches were quite inaccessible in any mil nary way, being blocked up with masonry, end the only mode of ascertaining whether any one was inside was by thrusting in a 'anthem. When lanthorns were thrust is however, a peat many were discovered, of whom he canned 33 to undergo as examination. Their ages varied from 12 to 18. Of those 24 had no parents, 6 bad one parent, and 3 had stepmothers ; 9 had no shoes, 12 had been once in prison, 3 four times, 1 eight times, and one, only fourteen yeah of age, had been twelve times in prison. The physical condition of those children was melancholy be yond belief. The whole of them without exception were the prey of vermin—a large proportion were covered with itch—a few of them were sufferrog sickness, and in two ere three days afterwards died from exhaustion. Oi these thirty-three he had himself privately examined some eight or ten, and from the way in which their answers were given, he was certain that they told the truth. He asked them how often they had slept in a bed during the last three yeara. One of them said, " Perhaps as many as twelve times is the three yeare,"—another three times, and another said that be could not rememher that he had ever slept in a bed. He then inked them how they pasted the time fa winter, and whether they did not suffer from the cold? They replied that they laid eight or ten together in these cellars in order to keep themselves warm. They fairly confessed that they had no other means of subsistence than begging or stealing, and that the only mode by which they could " turn a penny" as they termed it, in a legitimate way, was by picking up hones and selling them to marine store dealers. Let the house observe that a large proportion of those young per sons were at the most dangerous age for society ; many of them were from sixteen to two or three and twenty, which was by far the most perillous age for every purpose of fraud and certainly of violence. Now, to chew of what character and description those persons were, and to what purposes they might be devoted, he would quote the case of a boy just past seventeen years of age, whom he found more miserable and destitute than language could describe, and whom he found speaking the French language fluently. The lad said that he had, gone to Paris with h s mother some four or five years ago ; that he there got into em pl o yment; but that as the political atmosphere began to grow warm, he was incited by young French revolutionists and joined in the general uproar. Ha fought on the barri cades, was taken prisoner, was punished with six or seven months imprisonment, and was then put on board ship and sent to England. He (Lord Ashley) asserted that there were hundreds and thousands of persons of this deseriptioe, who were just as capable as the garde mobile of Part, of being converted to the very worst purposes. (Hear, hear.) Now he asked the house to consider the low state of mo rality existent amongst this class of persons, and the utterly shameless way in which they spoke of their degraded post- I ties; and he would instance one case. A great ragged school I was opened on a Sunday evening. There came in a body of fourteen or fitteen boys. They were unknown to the muter ; but, es was the custom, they were admitted, and for a short time they attended to what was going on, by the w master ere n w o h t o o t v o er. told . hi m ~Bt hu a t t i he m most ust p . not”sai gae,r the the fo The clock struck 8, when they all started off but one, and he too was making preparations to go, when he was sP p pe rode lad. " Where r " I mutt go to business." "Business, what business ?" said 'he master. "Oh l" replied the lad, " didn't you hear it strike eight? we must go and catch 'em as they come out of chapel." (Hear, hear.) At that same school he recollected a very graphic remark made in the most perfect simplicity by a boy. The master had been pointing out to him the consequence of his course of life and al d'i• the punishment which he might meet with in after life, to which the boy replied, " Well, it may be so ; but I don't dikes it can be worse than this life." That was the condi tion of tens of %housed' of our population, and he did not hesitate to say that if we looked to no higher eonsidentien than our comfort and welfare in society it would behove us to do our best to remedy such a state of things. lie now came to the question of prevention of mime before it was com sat tee, or punishment after, and he asked what we, the better system? He did not hesitate to say, in the first piece, that he distrusted prison &salable altogether as • preven tive of erime. Our prison discipline had gradually increased in severity, yet mime also hat increased. He admitted that prison di eipline might succeed in the case of those who, on leaving gaol, bad resources of their own, or friends to fall back upon; but he contended that on tee great Mess of criminals our reformatory system world have no effect : eyond the walls were it was enforced. Of 150 thieves he once met, 42 confessed tbst it was to casual wards that they traced the commencement of their crime. Again, another source of crime was to be bland in oppression on the part of mas ters. Now, he ventured to assert that the preventative sys tem was the only one on which we could rely for the ref-rota tion of our juvenile population. (Hear, hear.) He asked the house to centrau the effects pr ,duced by Parkhurst and Pentonville, and other prisons of that description, with those which bad been produced by the system which he bad ven tured to propound last year lie would premise that he be lieved it was next to impossible that thou who had been convicted of crime should ever recover their pesitien in ba sest society if they were driven back to their old haunts and their old asucittes. (Hear.) Last year he received • paper signed by 150 of the most notorious thieves in London, asking him to meet them at sore place in the Minories, and to give them the best counsel he could as to the mode in which they should extricate themselves from their difficult position. He went to their appointment, and instead of 150 he found 250 thieves mumbled. They made no secret of their mode of life. A number of address , • were delivered, and he pro ceeded to examine them. They said, "We are tired to death of the life we lead—we are tweet by every misery —our lives area burthen to us, fur we never know tr m sunrise to sunset whether we shall have • full meal or any meal at all— can you give us any counsel as to how we may extricate our selves from our present difficulties?" He told them that that was a most difficult question to de ermine under any circumstances in the present day, when competition was so great, and when no simmers became vacant, but there were at least three applicants for it ; more especially was it difficult to cetermine when men, whose characters were tainted. came in competition wi•k others upon whose character there ens no stein. To that they replied, "What you say is most true—we have tried to get honest employment but we cannot —we find that our tainted character meets us everywhere." In their efforts to escape from their miserable condition, these poor creatures were constantly foiled, and driven back to their old courses. One unfortunate young man had given him his own case in point he had contrived to eat a good situation, and after some trial his employer was as well pleased with him as he was with his employer. Ore day, however, there came a policeman, who said to his master : " Are you aware that you are employing • convicted felon 1" The master, upon ascertaining that such was the ease, turned the young man at once out of his service, and he had no alternative but starvation or a recurrence to the evil courses from which he had so nearly extricated himself. The reformatory system might be successful in cases where the parts , 1, upon being discharged from prison, were not in circumstances of absolute privation, end there had been, within his own knowledge, instances of persons who had straggled even against the utmost privation, and had made their way to respectability of position, and even to affluence, but the system produced no such happy effects, as a general rule. On the other hand, by the operation of the scheme which he (Lord Ashley) advacieed, reformation was promoted as a general fact, ap plicaele to whole classes. (Hear. hear.) He had no hesita tion in saying that even the 1.5001. granted in aid of this ' , scheme by the government last year, had done more to- wards the devel ierment of the general reformation of oar criminal population, than 150,0001. or 200,0001. expended at Parkhurst or Pentonville. (Hear, hear.) Under that scheme, emigration was held out as the reward of Rood con duct in the children at the Ragged Schools, and theeffect de siredwasproduced not only upon the individual childrea es lected, but upon all the other children in the schools, whose emulation was thus excited. The noble lord read several letters from young persons who bad been sent out by the committee; some wrhten at Gravesend on the evening of departure, others at Australia, after an experience of the change, and all these letters breathed but one sentiment, an earnestly grateful recognit on of the inestimable service which had been conferred upon them. The benefits conferred upon the localities whence they hid gone, and upon unity at lap, were not less valuable. lie bad addressed a circular to the forty-three school committees, and tee answers he had re ceived from them were unanimously them—that the govern ment grant had been the means of largely benefiting ell the localities to which it had been applied ; that the number of reboots, the order effected by them, and the attendance urea them, had materially increased by the example of the good already deno ; and that the operation of a further grant would be of inestimable advance's, since, were the means given of opening new schools, there would be no difficulty whatever in securing full and grateful and beneficial &nand ance at all of them, and by their means of grappling ener getically with existing vice. ( sr, bear.) The classes to whom the objects of the committee peculiarly applied, were themselves deeply sensible of the benefit sought to be effected. An instance had come within his knowledge, of a person who, hiving visited one of the ragged schools, and expressed his earnest approbation of the plan, intimated his intention of subscribing one guinea a week to the general plan. A person present said to him " I know who you are." He replied " Yes, I dare say you do •, but I can tell you this, had there been such schools as these when I was a boy I should not now be the degraded wretch I am." This men was one of the most noted thieves in London. (Hear, hear.) Even where young perms get employment, under the present system. the toil to which they were heartlessly exposed, ass general rule, made it no matter of wonder that they should escape from it, even at the cost of returning to their former privation and misery. Only the other day two instances of this heavy toil had rome within his knowledge ; in the one case • poor boy of 10 or 12 years old had been apprenticed by the parish to • shoemaker. It appearing to him that this child's labour was exceireve, he questioned him, and found that he was employed every day from half-put five in the morning till halepast ten at night. " Well, said he to the boy, " that is smart work , hut I upset..., at all events, you have the Sunday to yourself." " No," replied the boy, "only half the day; till half-past four I've got to nutse the baby." It was no wonder that such excessive and unre mitting toil should disgust a child with that honest employ ment which, exercised in reason, he might joyfully pursue. (Hear, hear.) In the other case, a girl who had been ap prenticed out as a servant, had to work every day from 4 in the morning till pest 10 at night, and so far from the Sunday being • day of rest, it was the hardest workday in the week, for on that day the poor girl had to la. hour at the washing from early morning till late sight. (Hear, hear., As to the condition of the parents of these wretched children, it was one of the lowest poverty. One large proportion, indeed, of these poor crea tures had no parents at all ; another proportion were the children of convicts; • third ware, as he had stated, the off spring of the direst poverty. In illustration of this poverty he might mention, that of the poor women who availed themselves of the public wash houses, the great majority brought as the whole family stock, but 6or 7 articles; in numberless cases, the persons employed at the washbowl's were fain to lend the wretched women gowns to wear while they washed their only garment, that in which they had come. (Hear, hear.) It was well known that in very many came these unhappy person., as the only remaining resource against the starvation of their families, sold their hair. (Hear, hear.) The number of this clan of children at the present moment roaming about London alone was upwards of 30,000. (Hear. hear,) What did parliament propose to do with these 30,000 children ? Some people suggested that they should be taken care of in the union houses. Already in the union houses of England and Wales there were 66,000 children of paupers; and, highly as he estimated the administration of his excellent friend the president of the poor law board, he could not deem it advisable that 30,000 other children should be placed in these establishments. It was said that the scheme which he supported had a tendency to induce parents to desert their children; but the tendency was quite the other way, for the scheme involved the necessity, on the part of the parents, of combining their efforts with those of the committees. The National and Borough Schools could never answer the purpose of these ragged schools without aban doning their aim, for the more respectable children who frequented those schools would naturally enough be with ' drawn were it attempted to bring them into contact with the ragged filthy creatures whom the Ragged Schools re ceived. With the limited means at their disposal, the committee had now 82 schools in operation, attended by 8,000 children, and taught by 124 paid teachers and by 929 voluntary teachers, of whose services he could not speak in terms of adequate acknowledgment. It was quite clear that they could not trust this charge to private benevolence ; it was to the House of Commons, then, that they directed their attention, hoping that the legisla ture would take up that duty which individuals seemed to re'use. He committed the sane to the representatives of the people, believing that they would not gainsay by their'. ac tions what so many of them every Sunday professed with their lips—viz., "That it would please God to defend and provide for the fatherless children and all that were desolate and oppressed." The SPEAKER having put the question, Sir G. GREY said that he was not going to say one word undervaluing the importance of ragged schools, in the forma tion and extension of which, in this metropolis, the noble lor had taken so great an interest. He had, on a former occasion, expreasei his opinion fully ; and he believed the opinion of all persons was that the formation of these ragged schools was of great advantage to the interests of society, and that they had provided the means of education for a class of persons who had peculiar claims to benevolence. He believed that Sheriff Watson, of Aberdeen, had been the first to set the example of making an effort on behalf of this class of persons. But the noble lord was not as well acquainted with the prison system as he was with the system of these ragged schools. The noble ford seemed to think that by the Pentonville and Parkhurst system the prisoners were thrown loose on English society, and, because they did not go to the colonies, relaxed into crime; but the noble lord was mistaken in this supposition. No persons were sent to those prisons or to Wakefield, which was established oathesame system, who were notunder sentence of transportation. When the noble lord spoke of the permanent effects of his system, and the permanent results of the Pentonville and Parkhurst systems, be must be reminded that the permanent results had yet to be tested. As to the letters, he could put in volumes of letters from pri soners who had gone from Wakefield, Pentonville, and Parkhurst, which were equally gratifying with those re ceived by the noble lord. The anselieratioa of society must be a gradual and a slow process, and he must caution the house against the sanguine views of the noble lord, that by ' any large system of emigration, or any other plan adopted by parliament at a great expense, they would anticipate the slow process of amelioration which he trusted was now iconic on. Ile admitted the great advantage derived, in individual, Mee, from the formation of these schools and he desired to see them extended ; hut when the noble lord referred to the increase of juvenile convictions in the metropolis, as the result of the system of tho government, the some argument might be used against his own ragged schools. He did nee deny that very great advantages might be eerived from holding out emenateon as the reward for the good conduct of persons in thou schools, but the argument of his Wee friend went to the removal en moue of a large num. her of that clue of person., who he said constituted the nurseries of crime. Much as they w en bound to sympathise with this Bless of children, and great as was the obligation to give the best nttention to their ease, they were not to be considered is free from the taint of crime. They must not overlook the danger then was of establishing a premium on crime. To make Ma. special annual provision for these peroons would confer se immense boon on the se classes u distinguished from ether classes. Last year government did consent to pine a Null sum at the disposal of the noble lord, in communication with the commissioners of emigration, to commerce this work, and be would read an extract from the letter of the government to the commissioners, to show the grounds on which they ha it. They said that there were evident reasons why the peel. lege of a free passage could only be given to a small number of children of the ragged schools, viz , that the benefit wee one which would be most tceeptable to the children of net multitudes of honest parents. To carry out the emigration on a large scale would be holding out a e'irect stiandu to parents to cast off their children ; it was only whilst the in• dulgence was confined to a few, in common with others, that the objection did not apply. Tee measure was not one which could with propriety be made the object of an annual application to parliament fora grant. Ragged schools had hitherto be n supported by the private submits dons of benevolent individuals; and, while gratuitous edam tion was not extended to the children of the working claws, it would ba objectienahle to have a grant in favour of parents who threw aside their own children. The expense for 1,000 children would come to 30,0001.; there were in the workhouses 50,000 more children, end every argument which applied tee the ragged school. spelled more strongly to the workhouse children. He must say that ho could not advise parliament to enter upon a systematic plan of emigration applied to this class exclusively, as distinct from any other class, but if emi gration was to be applied, it must be considered only as part of a large system of which other classes of the eomraunity might base the full benefit. This motion applied only to the children of the metropolis. There were ragged schools in other large towns. lie had had an application from Glasgow, stating that they understood that • sum was to be applied to emigration from these ragged schools in London, and desiring to be admitted to the urns privileges. The same application might be made from all the large towns, and also from the rural districts, where there were numbers of children whose parents bed the greatest difficulty in givirgthem a honest livelihood. If the house adopted the principle of his noble friend, ha thought it most unjust that it should be limited tie the metro polis. The noble lord had asked him if he did not agree to his motion, how did he propose to clods* these children. He was net prepared to answer that question, he did not think that parliament, by direct legisla tion, could enable all classes to clothe themselves. If they were prepared to adopt the principle of the noble lord, they must carry the propesition much further in order to do justice to all. There were those who were now paying Id. or 2d. a week, who would be tbauktul to Dave their children sent abroad when they had acquir-d the proper information. The noble lord said, that it was diffioult, alter imprisonment, for a man to obtain employment. If they gave way to bene volent impulses, there was no ono who could not be disposed to listen to an argument of that kind. He would state what happened not lone sr. He had a representation from the grand jury of Yurk, with reference to the persons imprisoned last year for sedition end crimes connected with the state of the country, stating that they were convinced of the errors they committed, and that they dreaded being thrown hack on the same society from which they came, and asking government to supply fund. for the emigration of all these pe none on the expiraden of their sentences. He should have been glad to have done so, bat he had to consider whether it was fit to make the committal of • crime a stepping stone to the greatest bean. The funds for emigration were insufficient to meet the demands of honest people whose emigration, it was to he hoped, would raise the colonies to the condition in which they wished to see them. Sitting sere as representatives of the p tele, they must look at the interests of society as a whole, and while not disregarding the criminal, they must, before all, take care to do justice to that clue of society consisting of the children of honest persons, labourers, and artisans, who had peculiar claims on the benevolence of the country. Mr. P. WOOD said the last year, when the grant was made, he had taken the opportunity of calling is the atten tion of the Secretary cf State for the Home Department the case of orphans in workhouses ,• they had no one to take charge of them when they left the workhouse, and fre quently fell into mischief although previously untainted by crime, and the children of parents untainted by crime. Hs was the more persuaded that they ought to be attended to, after reading the paragraph deecribeug the results of the Marylebone workhouse ; it struck him at the thee he saw that report, how desirable it would be if some scheme could be devised for sending children to the colonies indeed of endeavouring to provide ter them here. It any grant itet to be made, it should be under the control of these person in the immediate locality contrihuting to the grant. Ile be. lieved that some little burden thrown on the ratepayer might have an infleenee in stimulating them to see to the wretched state of the children in their own pettish and is their own neighbeurkeod ; fur the vest number of these poor ragged children woo were to be f •und was owing to the gross neglect of the paroehiel authorities who had the control of the expenditure; and the ratepayers would take some Ines towards their being placed in a better condense Ile would consent to a eight amount of encouragement from the state to these schools, but the moment we ex ceeded that we should paralyse all efforts of individuel charity. (Hear.) Lord ASHLEY, in reply, denied that he hail disparaged Pentonville or Parkhurst. What he had slid was that, al though the systems at those prisons operated well when the prisoners were subsequently sent to the colonies, it was of no avail when, at the expiration of their term, they were turned out again on enciety. After the very general feeling that had been exeressed aren't his motion, it would be indecorous in him to press it on the house, sod therefore he begged leave to withdraw it. Motion by leave withdrawn. CAeE OF KRISHNA RAO WITTOL. Lord D. STUART said that the cane of the above-named individual was one well worthy the attention of the house; but as at that late period of the session he had not ling to ex pect from the labours of • select committee, he begged leave to withdraw it in favour of the motion of hie hon. friend the member for Montrose. Motion by leave withdrawn. BRITISH GUIANA. Mr. HUME said that if be had been so fortunate as to bring forward this motion some weeks since, he should certainly have stated at length what he considered to be the hardships in the case of British Guiana; but she could not expect at that hour to attract much of the attention of the house, he should not attempt to go further than to lay down generally the principles upon which in hie opinion the hone ought to act with regard to this question. Great and nume rota as were our colonies, he was sorry to say that they were net productive eithereo the colonists or to the mother country. On the contrary, we bad not only made them a bunks to us, bat had prevented them making any progress on their own amount. We bad, in fact, been the means of nearly destroying all our colonies. (Hen, hear.) The object of the hon. member for Inverness, in bringing for ward his motion for a select committee, was to bring under the notice of the house the condition of two colonies which, in his opinion, were suffering most from the mismanage ment of the mother country. He (Mr. Hume), concurring with the hon. member in opinion, had seconded that motion, and upon it a committee of inquiry had been sp pointed. That committee had availed itse.f of the decumetts produced by the government, and also of some e vidence, betted es much of the latter as be could have wished, because be thouzht that some of the parties who had complained, ad on whose complaint they were acting, should have been pm sent and examined. Being without their evidence, the in quiry had been, in his opinion, unsatisfactory. That com mittee had made their report, awl it was because he differed from that report that he brought forward the present not Don. He complained that that report was not cele listen, with the evidence or the facts, but, beirt the report of the majority, it of course must be receine. What he should have wished for was a distinct decision sl to the conduct of the colony and of the colonial gums meat. The facts of the case were these. At the time the supplies were Mopped in Guiana the governor and the coke nial house of commons were at variance. The governor had the power of locking the door of the senate and he exercised it, and what he (Mr. Hume) complained cf was, that the government did not at the time take some decided measures, instead of allowing such a state of antagonism to go on. The governor had been called before the select commies. and had declared that throughout he had acted upon the it 'Onetime of the Colonial-office. He would cow endeavour to show how inconsistent were the conclusions to which ass„ committee had acme with the facts. The committee MA that on reviewing the several circumstances they wen of. opinion that the crown was justified in goad faith and g oes policy in insisting on the civil list of 1844. and that no meal of setting it aside could be justified. They further stated that at no distant period it would be subject to revision, ana in the meantime they recommended that appointments should be only temporarily filled with a view to future syriusge• mute. The committee further said that they refrained from offering any opinion as to the details of the reforms they would suggest, and suggested that matters should bear ranged in friendly communication with the colonists, sad that it should be done on the byes of extending the fries_ Aloe and of giving the people a greater share in government. The question he wished to submit to the house was whether the colonists had acted rfB l l in attempting to reduce the expense of the cie list at a time when their property was going to ruin, in eon: sequence of the reduction in the price of produce which had followed the act of 1846. It was well known that after the passing of that act, the sugar of Guiana did not realise this The colonialc o unt officethe p h r prime enortakoefn into consideration, and determined to stand by the governor , although thereby the colony should be ruined. He was bound to say that the conduct of Lord Grey as colonialnss nister; to reason, looking to the distressed circa. stances of the colony, and to law, looking at the colonial en_ pthroeddueectihroune.tie(eHeeaf rp,eohpeeserii.l stitutione. The house should understand that the legislatio n •f Guiana consisted of two houses. In the first, the Cus . of Policy, the colony elected five members, and five were elle Mal, the latter being bound on all occasions to vote nal' 1