The Express. — London, England, 1864-04-12 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAT. Europe. The observance of the French minister upoethis bear.) While he ooneurrall whit his noble teased the despatch was somewhat recestkable. K. Denys de Lheye Secretary of SW* he could d p help exprneing an opinion observed that as to the rethossibility that would be incurred thin such treatise as that of 1852 were =expedient. He did by imperiling the peace of Europe, Prince Gortchakoff not cast the slightest llama cia the able seri opposite who was willing to wean that reeptulity ; bat he (the concluded it, but be gravely doubted whether such ar- French minister) did an wish to provoke leagerants, which were looked upon ea panatela, though another answer of the men sort, to be received they were not so Ia fad, would not entangle this country with the same indifference. He (the Feel of Derby) in quarrels with other Miens. He sgteed that this country thought that M. Drone de Lhtiya had acted in the matter should interfere in the affairs of others as seldom with much more dignity thaa the noble earl opposite. as it could, and also that when we did interfere, oar (Hear, hear.) Another inatians of the amount of influence authority should be eaforoml. which the country, nada the management of the noble Earl GRANVILLE said he apprehended that it would earl, had obtained in &trope. Sir A. Bochum& wrote to not be necessary to say anything in reference to the the noble earl on the 14th December, just about the time motion, foe he believed it had been rejected by both sides of when the noble lord opposite (Lord Wodebouse) left the house. Bet it appeared to him that either it should have Berlin on his hopeless visit to Copenhagen. He said that been shown that bey Majesty's government bad been so es- Le regretted that the recommendations be bad made to M. Mealy neglectful of the honour and interests of the coo= Bismuk had failed to obtaio compliance with the that they ought to be expelled from office, or that it wishes of her Majesty's goveroment. Another re- have been better not to discuss this question, and thereby martinet instance of the noble earl's oorrespon- try to damage theeoverameat in the eyes of foreign powers. deuce was that in which ho excused himself twin Now, instead of doing that, it would have been better to sewing ships to the mouth of the Eder. on the ground give their exertions greater weight. Hut the noble lord of the difficulty of modem ships to the Baltic. Bat he (Grey) bad forgotten to do that which be thoue wondered that passage had not been omitted from the you'd have been obvious to every despatches in which Sir A. Buchanan mid that there noble earl opposite (Earl Derby) had pointed out was an absolute persuasion that England would not, under difficulties in regard to the conference, but though any circumstenosa, interfere, and that this conviction de- be had read through all the despatches he bad prived her counsels of all weight. la another insane of, found a very small flaw in the correspondence. The the correspondence the noble earl had expresses.' himself to noble earl's criticisms were very small, but he said the the effect that if he had not mistaken the opinion of government had been perpetually spreading • cobweb sad parliament and the feeling of the country, an invasion of j never catching • fly. Now he (Earl Granville) denied that. Sleowig might lead to motive interference on the part The goverment had secured certain declarations as re` of Greet Britain. This neaten= revealed the weakness of (girded the treaty of 1852 end the =Unity of Denmark her Majesty's government. It showed that in fact they and he believed it was the opinion of France and of Austria, poisoned no policy, that they came to lea= the opinion of as it was of her Majesty's government, that there parliament in order to shape their judgment es to what ought to be an armistme before proceeding further. course they should pursue, sod that they looked to public I The noble earl had dawn some inferences which opinion to be guided by what they should do, instead of Ibe denied, for be could not find anything adopting an independent line of action. As regarded the in the correspondence which gave • pledge to Denmark four powers, there was no intention on the part of France that she should receive assistance, and as to giving the to pl.ce herself with regard = Germany in any =bertha° a I German powers to understand that this country would net dignified position. France had declared that she must Igo to war, he would defy the noble ear: to show that any Lahore to • course of action which would be more such assurance were g iven. (Hear, beer-) The Palma in accordance with the dignity d the great powers, showed that Francs and Rani& would not agree to give (Earl Atria.: That was with regard to Poked.) He (Earl , material aid to Denmark. The noble earl said France wee of Derby) said that France naturally had strong feelings in I prepared to give material aid, but be thought it was clear bi half of Poland, and England was animated by equally that from the beginning Frans was determined not to do so. strong Danish sympathies. He did not call upon the noble No doubt oertain parsecs in Ummany had induced a feeling earl to make war for Poland, bat if be did sot men to to arise among 40,000,000 of people in favour of • make war for Poland, be reconimseded him in future not I war—which, in his opione, was a most unjustifiable on— to call upon the great powers, by virtue of a upon a small country, end probably that feeling was treaty, to falsify their obligation under that treaty. increased be the knowledge that Frames wee determined He this Earl of Derby) regretted that the occupation of not to join in a war, and that Russia could not separate Holstein had been accompanied by scenes of ferocity and herself from Germany. The able earl (Grey) had referred barberism—(bear, hear) —and be feared that the Prussian to the unwillingoess of the people to go to war— army had not got rid of those Wets which bad given the Earl GREY—I did nothing of the kind. Duke of Wellington so munch trouble in 1818. That demote. Earl GRANVILLE would be glad to know what the Sion, that bombardment of Sonderborg, was marked by noble earl bad stated ; but, at any rate, he seemed to have scenes of inhumanity and ferocity, especially if it was tree, • ye= quixotic Idle that this count,.l7 ought te go to as he heard it related, that after the town had been vex on every 0000eiDles although it nag DOOR the pull ey laid in ruins, arid the fi ring had ceased, and of en statesmen for fifty Years Peet we to when the wretched inhabitaute had found their way go to woe noon it were urgent and neesseerf back to seek amongst their overthrown dwellings for some That was the policy of Mr. Canning, who declared that the =meets of their lost properties, they found that a trap had cause must not only be just, bat urgent and expedient, fee been laid for them, end that a heavy fire of shells was war. Such we. the language of the noble earl's father, and opened upon their suffering and inoffensive people. (Hear, of the Earl of Abeideeo, &edit bad been the foreign hear.) He hoped that upon this 0011111100 the government of all statesmen — they had all been noxious fee Peoce P 7 l Z would be enabled to say that theaucouns of this matter bad he was surprised that the noble earl should now twit the been greviously exaggerated, and that Prussia had sot cast government for n ot going to war oa behalf d Denmark. an ineffaceable stain upon her arms from the atrocities with He wished it to be perfectly understood that the govern. which the execution bad been accompanied. (Cheers.) He man were desirous to maintain peace. The governmeat wished be could say be thought that there was any great were unfettered by any engagement of any Bert. probability of the matter being brought to • prosperous and they ware thereto= at liberty to take airy issue. He feared that the conference would not as. came which might be beet for the count"y. nimble under very favourable auspices ; because but they would not depart from the policy which they bag the engagements of 1851 and 1852, which preceded th e pursued before sod since the meeting of parliament. treaty, might very properly be made tin subject of a cootie Earl GREY explained that Ina objectioa to the viaduct rence. Yet the treaty of 1852 was an act to which all the of the government was not that it had been too warlike, bat great powers were parties, and which could not so readily be that what had been does was inexpedient, and would be reopened. He also wished to express his satisfaction that likely to involve this country in a war at a future time. It the noble earl had made use of the words " the indepeo. we bad taken a more decided attitude in the first instance dance" as well as of " the integrity” of Denmark, for he (the we should have rendered attack unlikely, and have been in Earl of Derby) much feared that arrangements might be • politica to speak to the powers of Europe with greater made which would preserve the integrity of the Danish mo. weight, authority, and effect. Baran, yet seriously interfere with theindepoodenceof Deo. Earl RUSSELL said he understood that the Premien nark, H e hoped thatnouodue pressure would beplacedby her , government had given • general notice that Seodertorg woe Majesty's government on either party, and that the 'bole I liable to be bombarded as • part of the fortress of DuppeL of their proceedings would teed to secure fair and equitable Very naturally the people of Soederborg did not act on terms for both aides. He wished he could feel the same , that general notice. He believed it was insufficient, and coofidecce with regard to some delis other powers, and the that the Prussians should have given 24 bourn' notice of motives and objects with which they would enter into the I their intention to bombard the plan, as required,by the conference. Above all he could wish that the conference usages of war. had not been delayed so long, sod that if an armistice could ' The motion was then withdrawn, and their lordships ad out be obtained before it met, the very earliest period should joursed at a quarter to 11 o'clock. be fixed for the meeting of the conference, end for settling without the loss of 48 hours the preliminary terms co which a rennin should be put to this bloody sad destructive war. He did justice so the motives which actuated the' noble lord throughout the whole of the correspondence ; I but be could not conceal his conviction that by the course he bad taken, by the strength of his remonstrances and the feebleness of his 'aims, he had confirmed the impression which bad prevailed throughout Europe that we had ceased to be • great power, that our political and military position , had been made entirely subordinate to in mid core- i mercial interests, and that, however Zi l lit a bluster, there was not the s li ghtest neon to expect that we should coo- tines to exineine any iagneedlte control over the affairs of Europe. (Chem.) Lord WODEHOUSS aid, /swim been frequeetly alluded to on moons; of the part which he had takes in then transactions, he wished to say a few words. The noble earl who had just set down referred to the assuranne which he said, although not directly given, might have been inferred from the language which he held at Copes. hapn—neuranose that the Daaish government might ex. pact the support of the government of this country it they followed their advice. The beat proof that the Danish government could not have understood that from his lan guage was to be found la a despatch from Sir Augustus Paget, io which be dated that the Danish minister completed to him that there was no premise of support on the part of England, even if Germany continued her aggression., His (Lord Wodeliouse's) instruction were, not to give any such promise, and be had certainly adhered to them. Her Ma jesty's government declined to give the Danish government any promise of support, although they advised them to j make certain conoessiora to Germany His own sympathies were certainly not on the German side ; but having been valued/id by his noble friend (Earl Russell) to examine the constitution of November, he came to the conclusion that it ought to be revoked. Ultimately the Danish government consented to follow the advice which was gives, but unfortunately they congested too Lie. Indeed, throughout the long negotiations which bed taken place daring the lut four or five years, all the con- , cessions made by Denmark were invariably too late to be of any on. Whilst no nun could admire more than be did the courage acid coostency of the Danish satin, he mot say he thought they had not bees well advised by the government who presided over them. In the first place, the Danish government attempted more than the power of Denmark could possibly accomplish. They endeavoured to bring Sleswig into akar 110100 with Decroark, looking epos that as esssetial to the independesood Denmark, but bedmot wandered sufficiently the tact that they bad entered into acipierones with Ger many which, omen and inconvennot as they were, it was desirable to fulfil, lint they should have further coediting impod upon them. The opinion which be had held, and which es he Pow held moor stroterly through the light of emits, was that it would have been far better for the Dinka government to have made timely concessions and entered into negotiating while in possemicia of Shawl& than to have provoked a war and been compelled to enter into molls- Coes when Sleawig was in pommies of the German powers. He admitted tbet the conduct of the German powers had been marked by great duplicity as well as by violence; but notwithstanding that, he could not help thinking that lithe Danish government bad followed the advice tendered to it, it would have had a fair prospect of obtaining ea interference of other powers before the occupation of Sleswig. His noble hind (Earl Grey) had expressed his 'lapels* that in his (Lord Wodebousies) 'creations with M. Bismarck, he bad not made use of a particular argument. He himself joined in that regret, as the arguments which he did use produced very little effect. ! (Wisner.) The troth wee, that the Preemie& government I materially changed its policy at the last moment, after the ! death of the King of Denmark. Great excitement prevailed in Germany, and the Prussian govern• molt, alarmed at the democratic feeling which had arisen, apparently thought that the beet way out , of the difficulty wai to attack Deamirk. The noble earl who hail just sat down pointed out most forcibly that it eel a great mistake to suppose that the engagement. of 1 , 61 and 1852 were in any way to be connected with the treaty of 1852. The treaty of 1852 was entered into by the great power of Europe, and no referent". was made in it engagement.tbe eugagemen o 1851 and 1652. By the treaty alone were the great powers bound. He would now say • few words upon the difficult question as to what might or might tot have been done to prevent war. In &Ending to the subject he could riot conceal from himself that their position was materially injured by the policy which was pursued with regard to Poland. Whoa that policy was wider dis cussion in that house, it appeared to him that serious on sequences were likely to ensue if, after enter* oa • come Of policy in conjunction with Austria and France, we were compelled to draw beck. and thus to weaken the geed understanding which existed between this country and Franoe—en understanding which he deemed mential, particularly in the present slate of Ligon, to the maintenance of treatise and of the ielance of power. He always thought that it was not pro bable that Russia would yield to any mere remonstrant' ; and in his opinion it would have been far better for this •'i intro to have confined itself to a protest, and not exposed Itself to a rebuff. He hoped that in the can of Denmark thee would now obtain the foil co-operation of France, without which he should despair of seeing the question satisfactorily settled. If that co-operation should not be obtained, and the conference should fail to settle the question, a grievous shock would, he tbotetht, have been given to the whole system under the Protection of which the treaties of Europe existed, sad were preserved. Those treaties were preserved through the r ecen and understanding which existed between IL.. great powers, and once let that concert and ~. ielerstanliog be permanently impaired, and Europe wound be thrown into a state of anarchy. He coul , l not agree with the observations of the noble awl P.m.), but with his noble friend the Secretary of State that it would be unwise to plunge this country in a war PLere its iotereets were cot clearly concerned. There ware L. interests of this country nor obligations which made it "'muse for them to go to war for Denmark, and it should 1 ,, considered that if the conflagration were once teem it might go on to a very serious extent. (Hear, HOUSE OF COMMONS. —MONDAY, Aram 11. The SPILIZZ took the chair et 4 o'clock. NEW MEMBER, Mr. Caauvratt. took the oaths and his slat upoa his re election for the city of Oxford. for • u'ect committee. The Cluaieller el Mialiethdapier , had thought proper to make glare iseputedeas mph& ilic iatia‘ institutime ' • batmen assembeg.that the societies mentioned by the eight hoe. esetlemse bed hoes acindueted in the manner suggested, ise (Mr. ATftwinifinided ad Z fact formed any reason for this bill. It seemed to him : the huts, rightly esosidered, weak Mad es an conclusion. In respect to the question of mewing' haVir• dinned that the Poet-office lamp Banks Bill was a great i seeseew The feet was that the mjary dime to the gsoeral leavings beaks by that measure bad sot been compensated for by the asemare itself. Lu 185 d, wh i :u nc aLStatioa which had existed against the strings banks y was I put an end to, the depreits in the amounted' to 36,200,0004, and from that period up to 1860, being only two years, there was an teaser of about 5,000,0001. What had been the result tar the Chassidim of the Exchequer had declined to take upon hie shoulders the responsibility of securing the depoeita to the there , holders, the right hoe. gentleman =nag in his miod the ' establishment of rival institution in the shape of post-office manage banks. In 1860 the gross capital to the anew i lbanks was 41,258,0004, and in 1863, only three yeas, after- wards. the amount, instead of lucressing, had fallen of by 21,000/., the amount then in the bank Wog 41,237,0001. The danger of such legislation as this was not merely in the present but ia the pomade future with regard to the sue ' cosi of the Posteffice Savings Banks. Let those barks have such an accumulated capital as could be felt in the I money market — sty 40,000,0001. maids on demand, or the amount held by the other sanep banks—end he would restore to predict that it would be in the power of any man, however insignificant or unimportant, at a time wheat the wealthy were getting 5 and 6 per cent. foe their money, to raises cry that the poor ware only receiving two-and-a . Mill per wet, and that cry would be re-echoed throughout the country in such a way that hankers and merchant. I would be reedy to go down on their knees before the Chancellor of the Exchequer and beg of him to make the interest three or four per cent., in order to t prevent the consequences which would necessarily follow from the payment of so enormous a sum as he bud mentioned. The danger incident to this' mode of legislation was that it brought the people face to facie with the government, without any of those interm•- I dish moral influences which the old savings banks exer cised, bat in the case of those institutions there were legal restrictions which prevented such • contingency aa be had ' described. He was surprised that the Chancellor of the ' Exchequer had made no reference to the efforts of working men to improve the condition of their fellows. It was said by Adam Smith that the higher you earned organised industry the greater might be the degradation and misery ' of the people ; end that result would have been seen in England but for the eforte of men who associated them selves together for the purpose of having labour respected, ' and compelling employers to conduct their busineee with some regard to moral restrictions. it was • pity that the Chancellor of the Exchequer, if he wished to commend he measure to the whin classes, spoke In a manner so disparaging of one of the most mem Oily, intelligent, and high Minded of that portion of the community. He regretted that the right hon. gentleman had sot made • more ample and frank apology there be had yet done in regard to the error iota which he had fallen as to Mr. Potter and the men who had worked with him. The riot boo. gentleman had spoken of friendly societies as subsidized by the state by the payment of considerable beauty, but if they received • hig her rate of interest than now prevailed, that was owing to the errors of his predeoce son in office, who whoa the rate of interest was high, had stipulated to give • certain high rate without specifying that the arrangement was only temporary. The Chancellor of the Exchequer also said that these societies were sub sidised by exemption from taxation, but as they dealt in infinitesimal panellise, he thought they were justly relieved from the stamp duty and ether taxes, because those would have operated upon them as an ep premive burden. The right boo. gentleman farther alleged that these 'esthetician were badly managed, sad wished to establish • model institution of his own, leaving the 20,000 which already existed throughout the country to accident and the mercy of circumstances, on the ground that compe tition and free trade would bring about a cure. That was a dangerous doctrine to accept. If they examined the old savings banks carefully it would be found that there were specific grounds of mismanagement, which if removed the securities and advantages desired would osecosarily follow. Fire, it was said that friendly societies bad not accumu lated sufficient capital to meet their liabilities. He panted that ; but the Chancellor of the Exchequer maid he bad bees able to coestroct a table far worlds' men which would work of itself free from all risk and danger, and what was thereto prevent the House of Commons making that table the basis of these insurances? It was next said that people suffered in consequence of lapsed policies, but the Chancellor of the Exchequer seemed to have forgotten that two systems were now in operetioe, under one of which nothing was returned if a policy lapsed, while under the ether a certain sum was returned ; bat in the case of the latter • larger payment bad to be made for the insurance or annuity. He defied the Chancellor of the Exchequer to propose any system by which a person could get back money once paid unless the premium was high in proportion. It was also alleged that the wet of the usanagemoot of these institutions was very great ; hut while admitting that, he was afraid it was an evil which it was impossible to avoid in minute Manna tioos amongst the people. They could not persuade that it was for their interest to take their pence to people sumacs office, and they preferred being called only agents, which involved • charge of 25 per cent. Again, it was said that the small friendly societies conducted their besieges is I public-henries; bat that was a difficulty the liOlatore could remove. If they passed • law making it UMpl to conduct their business in public-houses, they would at once entirely put so and to the system. Mr. Tidd Pratt had expressed his opinion on friendly societies, but i the fact was, that that gentleman, though of great !ability and most attentive to his duties, was quite incapable, from want of moral influence, to exercise that authority over them which he ought to do. It seemed to him (Mr. Ayrton) that there were other remedies for the evils pointed out than that proposed by the right boo. geatience. Mr. Tidd Pratt suggested that the supervision of such societies should be delegated to the boards of guardians Huron/bout the country. A bill with that object 1 was introduced in the House of Lords, but it could not pro teed as it was connected with taxation. He (Mr. Ayrton) ibelieved that such a measure might be so moulded as to become most =dal without adding much to the local ex penditors. The object of that measure ought to be ex *hied by Mr. Tidd Pratt in a select commit ; tee before they embarked on this measure of centralization. It was mud that there was room enough for everybody, because there were • vast number of persons who might effect assurances of this kind. It had been stated that there were nine millions of pergolas whose lives might be insured under this act. If there was to be thin immense eaten of insurance, what would be the amount of orgazisa- Um which would be necessary to manage it ! In his opt aim the proper course for the government to adopt was to enemerage the people to have associations of their own. What they ought to do was to have • searching inquiry into the scope of this bilL It was sot necessary to inquire into the misdoing, of any insurance societies. And why should thee not be this inquiry 7 The measure did not press ; it did not matter whether the bill were passed three months hence or twelve months berm He did not desire sedates* ret is it tio a n d:r t t o hte ri o n a g bte a t. bil lo w tt i e th oo n nt g r i Ny, be he eo ltl id hior ered hostile to the friendly societies, but it was on • different prin ciple from the present bill. Mr. HUBBARD said he believed one great cause of the opposition hia to th did n e ot liVl vrai t i m tlat it wee real p brought urposes ad is under • : ions There was much in the bill that ought to gemmed itself to the attention of the house. It was undesirable that government should interfere with trading companies ; bat, 'on the other hand, there were some functions which no 'persons could fill so well as • government office ' and no security that could be given by any society was equal to the government security. If the government thought they meld swept the responsibility and carry out the without endangering the tbianees of the state, he processee should not object, and he thought there would be ids objection to the bill if the rate of interest paid by the government were only the same as they paid for deposits in the Post-office savings banks, namely, 2) per cent. Colonel SYKES said he had presented petitions both for and against the bill, and it was natural that he should pause before he gave his vote. It appeared:to him that the question should be discussed dispassionately by • committee. He was quite sure it would be to the advantage of the working classes to get the government secu ri ty, because the government would be able to pay. He should vote for the amendment. Mr. T. HANK EY said they were asked to go into COlll. mines on the merits of the bill, and u to how the friendly societies were affected. He could not vote for going into committee, for he objected to the bill altogether upon prin ciple. He thought there was great danger in this bill, sod there was great danger of overloading the Poet-office de pertinent. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said if they carried the motion of his hon. friend the house would in ite dinged.= name a competent number of gentlemen to form the select committee, and would probably appoint him, asithe authorof the bill, • member of that select committee, and be should have the opportunity of giving more freely then be could to the house such information relating to the mode by which they should endeavour to work the bill u it would be in his power to afford, having probably the assistance of such officers of the government u he might ask for on his own responsibility. Bat after the members of the select com mittee bad been nominated a further question would arise— that the committee should have power to send for persons, papers, and records, and upon that would arise the ques tion whether the committee was to be • committee to con seder the details of the bill, or whether it was to be a com mittee of general inquiry into the subject of the bill. He, therefore, could not agree to that mode of proceeding. (If course the committee would be bound to hear all parties, and that was a kind of investigation which It was perfectly impossible for him to undertake. In the first place, it would amount to • virtual abdication of his office an minister of finance if he were to become the organ of the house in conducting an investigation of that sort. And further, great inconvenience would arise from that investigation, for which he was not prepared to be responsible. The committee would, is point of fact, become • committee of investigation into these societies, and for the result of the investigatioe her Majesty's govern ment were not prepared so be responsible. Having said so much on that point, he would make two or three observa tion@ in referents to what hod fallen from the member for the Tower Hamlets. He was bound to ray that be had never known • case before the case of this bill which was PRIVATE BILLS. The Cidedoeian Railway (Bredisholm and Tennochride Branch) SIR ; the Earn and West Junction Railway &11 ; the ardboru Valley Improvement Bill; and the North Easters Railway (Hicklefield Branch) Bill, were reed a third time and Faired. THE SUGAR DUTIES. Mr. CRAWFORD gave notice that, on Thursday next, on the house ping into COOlftlitille of ways and means, he would move the following resolution by way of amend ment :—" That it is not possible for the ofbosrs of t►e customs to asoertain by inspection the quantity of crystal-1 'sable mecharitie matter contained in any sample of sugar, and that a law which seeks to effect such an object u unjust to the producer. inaamuch as by striking with a superior duty one pound of sugar which by a better mode of mean facture contains more saccharine matte than another pound obtained from the same raw material, it inflicts great die couragensent on improvement, whilst at the same time it elude' large quantities of fin sugar from the market, and therefore injures both the revenue and the consumer by limiting the supply." HIGHWAYS ACT. Mr. LIDDELL asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether it was the intention of her Majesty's government to move for the appointment of • committee of iuquiry into the operation of the Highways Act previous to introducing further legislation on the sub ject, or any amendments of the said act. Sir G. GREY replied that he thought an inquiry would be desirable before they attempted to make any extensive change in the law with regard to highways. The act had not yet been in operation for • sufficiently long time to tent its merits or advantages. He was afraid therefore that as inquiry by • committee of that house would necemerily be an imperfect one, by reason of the want of proper tape penance as to the working of the measure. He certainly would not propose a committee of inquiry during the pre test session. The amended bill would not be an eseduove sewn,,, but only one intended to remedy some of thew defeats represented to exist in certain districts of the country. THE PROPOSED CONFERENCE ON DANISH AFFAUtS. Mr. HOILSMAN asked the First Lord of the Tresewry, whether, if it were s result of the conference that England was shoat to undertake new engagements with reference to Denmark and the Duchies, her Majesty's ministers would be prepared to submit those engagements to the eansidx- Woo of parliament before they advised their ratiiketkis by the crown. Lord PALMERSTON—My right hon. friend is no doubt well aware that in a mixed constitution like ours each branch of that constitution has its own separate fascism ; but those functions are so inter woven with each other in their exercise that it is exceedingly difficult to draw a definite line between them, and that nothing but great forbearance on the part of each branch enables the aggregate whole to work harmoniously together. Bat there are matters with regard to which trio him is distinctly and precisely understood and acknowledged, and that is the case with regard to the practice cod function of negotiating and making treaties with foreign powers. That function is known to be distinctly with the crown, acting under the advice of her responsible ministers. If t he case should arise contemplated by my right hon. friend—of which 1 am not at' all aware—we should deem it our duty to adhere strictly to lithe spirit and emetic.* of the constitution. Mr. HORoMAN—I hope the) noble lord will excuse me, but Ido not think I made my question quite intelligible. Of coarse we know that the government will adhere to the principle and practice of the constitution ; but my quashes has reference to the practice of the constitution so far as this, that the crown exercises its prerogative under the ad vice of its responsible ministen, and that those ministers set under the control and advice of parliament. I therefore wish to know whether her Majesty a ministers, before ten dering their advice to the crown, will give parliament an opportunity of considering? (Hear, hear.) ed PALIIEEBTON—My answer went precisely to that point. It is not the practice or principle of the constitution that the crown should ask the concurrence of parliament with regard to the advice which it may think per to adopt. I ought perhaps to have added that if the plenipo tentiaries of the crown at the conference should agree to certain engagement., which engagements should afterwards be ratified by the sovereign, my right hon. friend must be aware that by international usage the only ground upon which a sovereign can refuse to ratify an engagement made by a duly authorised plenipotentiary, acting of course upon instructions, a either that he has entered into engagements without instructions, or splint instructions. Now, as the conference is to assemble in London, it cannot be supposed that my noble friend who represents this country in that conferee*, will act without instructions. Mr. HORSMAN - Is there any case of exceeding instrac- Cone ? ..1;t1 PALMERSTON—Of course if • plenipotentiary go beyond his instructions, he does that which he is not authorised by his instructions to do. (Laughter.) He therefore ante without or against instructions. GOVERNMENT dNNUITIE3 BILL. OD the order of the day for resuming the adjourned de bate on the motion for going into committee on the Govern• meat Annuities Bill. . . said, the question they had to consider was not whether they should legislate for the evils that had long existed in regard to the conduct of assuraace societies, but whether they should at owe peas the bill of the Chancellor of the Exchequer without any inquiry, and without satisfying themselves by any astlientie mean, of evidence of the reasonable character and necessity for passing that bill. He wee in favour of the proposition of the hon. gentleman opposite . APRIL 12, 1864. mat lay a powerful ustelaid apposition out of doors, which had gained by beg delay ia that house. Generally speaking with such measures • hug delay wqe fetal, bet in thin ease the result had hem the development of • powerful public opthion is favour of the till. la a very simplex degree the opines of the press had beset declared in favour of the hill, irrespective for the mat part, so far as be row, of pug interest ; nada, far as his owe eorreapoodense west, he sever tootived in the whole comes of his ratio life so many letters approving of • miser* as he bad received with reaper to this measure. At Mae coetinmemosent of the dismission politicos in great umbers had bra presented against the bill ; but now peti tions in support of it wore beginning to come in, many of them being from working moo who could have no interest is upholding the scheme apart from a sines* belief that it would be advantageous to their welfare. A great martin was held in Exater•hall, at which the hoe. member (Mr. Ayrtoo)proaided. It was held in opposition to the bill ; but the ludependent working chums mustered so stregly i that the hoe. gentleman could not himself decide which IRIS the majority and which the minority ; though it win said that if a gentlemen more friendly to the measure occu pied the chair, he might have had no difficulty in deter. mining the point. (A laugh.) Hs Or right boo. gentleman) had learned with great satisfaction ' that beards of guardians were also beginning to understand and to support the bill, as or celculated to prove a great boos to the working classes. (lire) He did not wish on this 01016130 to return to any of the corroverted questions to which the measure had given rise. He had not one word of assertion or reproach to utter against any living society, such as the Royal Liver or the British Predeetial. He did not presume to attach, nor should ha be justified in attach ing to any of tacos societies a [medalist character. What he Man; to say of them en • former occasion was this : These gaieties had adopted • auntie language. They said, " It is quite tree that there is a vest field for insurance amongst the people of England. It is quite true likewise that teat field is nemicupied, and that the friendly societies touch only a very small portion of is ; but we ere ready to do the work ; we intend to do it ; ad we claim of the greromest that they should leave it to as." He (the Chaucellor of the Exchequer) had therefore thought ft necessary by a reference to one or two of the most stable and respectable offices, to show that these societies were lot in • position to set up so high a claim, or to give to the working classes the same undeniable ,security which was afforded to the wealthier classes when they wished to insure their lives, and made a J ctil selection of an office for that purpose. He had used language which he was sorry to say he was not prepared terstract with regard to that mesa of heartless intrigue which had boss and perhaps was still at work in certain quarters in emir:ice with life assurance; but he did sot wish the house to undimmed that that language I was applicable to any society of the clam he had mentioned. There was another lustre*, the Professional, in which he said he understood that the aharebolders had suffered severe time. With regard to that., although he believed that the Marmot' he had made were correct, no one would be , better pleased if be could be assured that the coa -1 Maros which he had put upon the ere was lerrorless, sad that although there might ham been rashers and want of prudence, still that there had been no corrupt intention. He was told by the boo. member for York that that was so, and he was therefore glad to accept the assurmes of hie hon. friend. He (the right boa. gee - item's) believed that it was a ease of most reckless, hazardous, and therefore unjustifiable speculation, but it was one compatible with a total &lemma of fraudulent it tenths. (Hear, hear.) Reference had alao been made to his observatiooi with regard to the conduct of the worthies classes is their Modes micas. Upon the former occasion be (Mr. Gladstone) had adverted to • meeting which had been hi 4 wader the presidency of Mr. Potter, at Raster- ; and he had stated that th e name of Mr. Potter was belie ed to be very much consented with those ageo cies which were believed by the public at large to be em ployed for the coercive of a minority of the working classes by a majority. He had been sines assured that that was nos a true description of the trades unions at the prosiest day—that there had in former times been a good deal of what he complained of, but that the real proems of the working daises, not only in intelligence and in moues of subarea" but in the views they entertained of their social duties, had effectually and essentially altered the character of their trades uoims. (Hear, hear.) He believed, indeed, that to this hour there were instances in which a portion of the working-elsseett7l tyraunised over its own members; but such instances , he rejoiced to think, were of • character shim from the views and feelings of the trade societies of London ; he was, therefore. extremely glad to believe that them wee no foundation for the refer , ems which be had node to them. (Hear, hew.) His he ' neerable friend (Mr. Ayrtoo) had mentioned two other points. He said in the first place, that the whole difficulty about life iosarame lay in the want of proper tables. The hoe. member contended that the house bad but to make • certain set of tables compulsory, and there would be an end to the matter. le his (Yr. Gladstone's) opinion, however, that was not so. The great distinction between pri vate and government gasurancia, in favour of the former, lay la the higher ratio at which private societies could make their investments. The Chancellor of the Exchequer, on the other band, could only invest is the government funds, which produced but 3/. or 3/, as. per cent. His hon. friend wanted the house to sort tables foe the use of frigidly societies, tabulated at the rate of V. lth. per ore But that would indict a great hardship upon them societies, and would place them in hopeless competition with the government. (Hear, hear.) His hon. fried moreover said he anticipated great danger from the successful work leg of this migmatite. In the first place the rim member denied that the Post-office savings bur had smoseded. He appeared, in fact, to think that the mosey which had been placed in them had only beep filched from the old beaks—a conclusion which he (Mr. Gladstone) was satisfied could not be supported. The bon. member said that if ever the time came when there was a vast sum in the bands of the Post-office savings banks, and it happened that the rate of interest was high, there would be • most dangerous and "ugly rush," and the country would be called upon to re imburse the depositors, is order that they might reinvest their ' money on more admonitions terms. Now he (the Ohm. oellor of the Exchequer) did not undertake to say that the inters,' would ever be higher than it was, though he would not deny the possibility that some day an additioo might he made to the preterit rate, compatible always with the' necessary condition that the public should not be called upon to subsidise these oaks to the extent of • slog's far- I thing, but that, on the contrary, it should reserve such a margin as would give itself perfect security. A singer ear had lately occurred to illustrate the public ap preciatioa of government security and a low interest. The trustees of the Birmingham barings bank bad deter- mined to close their establishment on account of the passing of the sat of last year. At that moment the sate of drone% in London was eight per cent. ; and there were of course plenty of people in Birmingham ady to offer by advertise ment as much as 5 or si or eves 6 per cent to the depositors for their money on call. The depositors were no fewer than 35,000; and threedonithe of them, both in num ber and amount, transferred their accounts to the Post- office banks at 21. lOs. per cent. (Hear, bear.) He (the Chancellor of the &Moque.) felt therefore perfect faith In the political security of these • but at any rate the objective of his hon. friend could not apply to the present bill, for if persona chose to place their coofideste in the government, so far as to in sure a sum of money payable only at their death, it would be very difficult for them to earner the government, inasmuch as they could not fulfil therm/wary pre liminary' exioilition for darter the mosey till they bad rased to be retire of thin lower werkL (Hear, bear, and a laugh.) Sir H. FARQITHAR wished to explain that if the right honourable gentleman went into oonimittes on the bill, he should propose that it be referred to a select committee, I for the purpose of examining Sir A. Spearnme, Mr. Chet. wyod, and Mr. Seudaniore ; two or three actuaries ; Mr. I Told Pratt, and four or five gentlemen connected with friendly societies and Marano. offices. (Hear, hoar.) Sir F. KELLY referred to the terms in which the Chan cellor of the Exchequer had spoken with regard to the amalgamation of the Professional with the European oaks. The right honourable gentlem►n had reptassatad the trans. action as involving " wholesale robbery." The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained that he had applied that term to many transactions of the kind referred to, aid not to this particular coast Sir F. KELLY said it was unfortunate that such a master of language as the right hoe. gentleman should have used expressage which so man of common understandiag would have supposed applied to any but to nee or other or both of the societies named. The right hon. gentleman spoke of the amalgamation as involving • lose of 60 per coot to the policy holden. Now the fact was that at the time of the amalgamation the Profeesimal had insured poli cies to the amount of • million and • half, and the liabilities of the office were 150,0001., of which 100,0001. represented ordioary liabilities, and the rest the difference of the sum necessary to make up to the European the difference biomass the policies transferred to it and their value if they had been grauted by the European itself ; so that in reality the lose, instead of 60 per cent.. could not under any circumstances have been more than three or four per rent lo reality there wee no loss at all. The kande*, it should be stated, wee made under • decree of the Master of the Rolls. The directors had themselves &dreamed 61.1,0001, towards the deficiency there bad been a call of 2a. 6d. • share ; and there did so. now remain mare than 2,0001. or 3,000/. to be made good. He thought the bill would effect • very great public benefit, 'nodally in protecting from grievous and terrible losses those classes which were least able to beer them, but it WWI open to some modifications. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he had paused for a moment before rising to reply, in the hope th►t some gentleman would say something about the society to which the hon, and learned gentleman bad referred, and he regretted that superior attractions had drawn gentlemen away from the performance of that duty. (A laugh.) When he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) spoke of the wholesale loam inflicted upon the holders of policies in the Professiocal Society, aid said it was something like wink/t -eals robbery, he explained the effect of rub and reckless speculatiou without intending to imply any diatom's& motive. It frequently happened that persons of great res. pectability involved themselves in undertakings of this kind, and thus without the slightest impurity of motive committed an sot which had the effect of deluding sad robbing others. (Hear, bear.) He was satisfied that there was no impurity of motive on the part of the directors in this use, and he hoped after the remarks of the hon. and learned gentleman that nothing would ultimately be lost by those who had kept their policies alive. The original motion was then negatived, and the bill was ordered to be referred to a select committee. SUPPLY.-.-ARMY Zirrizaiaa The house having goes iota comaittes of supply ou the army estimates, Upon the vote of 5,708,983/. for general staff and regi mental pay, allowances, and charm, a los, debate took place, In the course of which Mr. Cfßan.ty instituted a ODEOPIA•00 between the cost of the British and Freach armies in all the details of the charges, widish showed than in most of them those of the British army were nearly double those of the French army, calculated per man of the respective forces. le the nouns of his general reply, Lord HARTINGTON gave details relating to the effects of the Limited Enlist- ' Moat Act, The vote was ultimately agreed to. The following votes were likewise agreed to, after die MlStiOn : 1,319,0471. for Commissariat establishment, services, and movement of troop. 596,694/. for clothing establishments, services, and supplies. 811,165/. for barrack establishments, services, nod supplies. 45,4331. for Divine service. .On the vote for 40,5491., charge for mania! law, Lord HOTHAM toss pursuant to notice to make some observations OR the course adopted in the cased Lieutenant- Colocel Crawley and the laniskilling Dragoon, and its effect on the discipline and good order of the army. He mid althoughlbe could count a length of service in that house which was only exceeded by that of the noble lordat the head of the government and one other member, be never MOO with mote reluctance than he did on the present occasion. The manner, however, in which her Majesty. 'ornament had brought forward the matter, namely, in the form of a vote of money, was one that especially challenged comment. He was happy to say that the three individuals chiefly con carded. namely, Sir Hugh Roes, Sir Willi am M ans fi e ld, an d Colonel Crawley were perfect steingers to him, and he had, therefore, no personal feeling is the matter whatever. He thought that both the house and the country had a right to complain of the conduct of the military authorities, for it • It o to him th at they had withheld i n f orma ti on , w hi c h , if they had produced it, would have prevented much of what ' bad taken place. He believed that the error of which they had been guilty was owing entirely to too muds sepal- Innen and that they bad dose wrong from a fear of pot bong thought to have done right. The noble lord then pro ceeded to recapitulate at some length the history of the BLISOW court-martial, and the steps which had been taken with regard to it in the House of Commons. He referred to the repeated demands of the right hoc. member for Kilmarnock last year, for an important docu ment bearing upon this inquiry, and to the constant denials • on the part of the government that the document in ques tion had any existence. That paper had, however, at length been produced. It was in answer to a letter from Sir Hugh Rose, is which was included the addenda of the medical officer of the Ininskilling pragooom to the effect that Utley was in the habit of drink. tog a considerable quantity of brandy daily while under arrest, and that that, in conjunction with other exciting causes, was calculated to increase the predisposition to &po p/ink:seizure of which the sergeant-major died. the government h ad come down in the first instance with that informatics which most have been in their Possession the house would have been willing that in this case tbinp should take the ordinary course; ' any rate the court-martial would not, aod ought not, to have taken place in England. What could have induced auyl one to put forward such a reply as was made on the ocosioa of the court-martial be could not conceive. (Hear, hear.) Had it been delivered in a court of jalltian, Dot only would it have hese s bat the prosecutor would have been repreheoded. The object of military not civil junkie was not vengeance, but to deter others from oommittiog similar offences. If a oommandlog officer was guilty of any misconduct let him be punished ; but, on the other hand, if, after he had been pot upon his trial he was acquitted, the fullest publi city ought to be given to the fact. In previous came there had been a solemn adjudication from the fountain heeded authority, and be thought that that was the coos. which Might to have been pursued on thisonnion. The memo random of the Commander-in-Chief was addremed to nobody ; and there was nothing to show that the regiment was cognizant of the remit of Colonel Orewley's trial. Coe eidetic, that that gallant offiow had been acquitted, and that he bad received a character of which any one might well be proud from officers innumerable, it would have been more generous If the Commander-in-Chief had announced his public Intention to support the gallant colonel ; and if be had reserved for his private admonition anything re specting which he thought it necessary to speak to him. It was stated in the menioraidam that the regiment bad always been in good order till it fell into the hands of Colonel Crawley ; bat the documents bearing on the point were not allowed to be produced. That was a significant fact ; and, In truth, so far from the regiment having been in a good state of dise e illiee, no regiment bad been more !re csently reprehend d from the moment it reached India. Hear, hear.) e (the noble Ind) wished to ow in what manner the army was hen eferth to be governed ? He did not hesitate to say that if the principles which had been lately acted upon continued to have sway the army would fall in a very few years into a date of discipline which would render it worse than use less. Ae officer who gave up everything to the service of his sovereign had a right to expect that a liberal Interprets. Moe should be put upon his actions, and that be should be treated as inscoent till he was proved to be guilty. In Wood Crawley 's ease, her Majesty's government had stood by sad allowed him to be treated as if be had been guilty of almost every offence a soldier could commit, with the exception of rowdies. But how could they expect officers to behave witht prompti. tads in times of emergency if they were to be treated as Colonel Crawley had been I Did the hones think that at junctures where five minutes more or lees would make all the difference in the world, officers could be expected to act with vigour, if they had to consider what a ' hoe. member for *ghton would say of them in the House of Commons. He did not hesitate to affirm that if Sir Hugh Rose and Sir William Mansfield de. served no better of their country than it might be sunned from the blue book the government thought they had—they onght to have been recalled at least • year ago. He could not find that any suggestion of theirs bad had the 'sensitisation paid to it. Bet surely they might have been trusted. For who were they ? Were they bloated aristocrats who owed their position to family influence ? On the con trary they were men of whom the government had been glad to avail itself during the great mutiny, and of whom it might be glad to avail itself again. He could not help saying that he entirely concurred in the words be had read in a pamphlet, alluded to is that house before, that inasmuch as the authorities had not thought proper to remove those officers, and pot them on their trial, they ought not to have allowed their subordinates to damage the character of these officers in the eyes of the army and the nation. The Marquis of HARTINGTON said he could not follow the noble lord through his able statement with raped to the trial of Colonel Crawley. He must complain e however that his Dobbs friend badtthougbt fit at this late hour to reply to the argumeate need ou a former coca. sion. The noble lord bad arid that the government, when the subject was brought before the house, were in pores. 'don of information which ought to have enabled them to coedits a great portion of the hon. member for Andover's speech, butts (the Marquis of Hartingtoe) understood the Iron. member for Andover to assert that Sergeant-Major Lilley was ever confined in any . place like a black-hole. He denied that the Commander-us-Chief ever intended to impute to Sir Hugh Rome that be made public any memo madame marked **private," and said that the sum asked fet in the edimates embraced every expense ooseeoled with ' the court-martial, Jackdaw India allowances for midtown's who came to this country. With regard to the againet Colonel Crawley, he amid ootbing was stated by tee goverment which oould have led to the belief that he wee to be tried on soy other than those involving the manes, in which the imprisooment of Sergeant-Major Lilley was car ried out, and that it would have been utterly 11111)&1101 to have tried him as the other charges which were preferred. The Commander-in-Chief had bore* ample testimony to the full and complete character of Colonel Crawley's ao **Mal. and really he did not see how anything eoeld be added to it. Sir W. FRASER celled the attention of the Advocate- General to the inconvenience of makiog the lieutenant. colonel of a regiment the prosecutor when an officer under his command had to be tried by court-martiaL That practice placed a commending officer in a most us lenient position, and some one else might easily be selected to per. teem those duties. Mr. HUNT said that the whole of the prooselimp below tourt-martiale required revision. Is his opialou a legal assessor, wholly unconnected with the . regi• moot, should be chosen to enlist is such inquiries. He thought that the mods in which the exam:mat:um of witnesses wee cooducted at courts martial was such that it wee impossible to arrive at the truth, if a wit/sees was re solved to mislead. He thought, too, that if legal assietaate Were allowed at all, it ought to be recqrsieed as it was in other courts. The matter was one of such inapomance that it might be fairly delegated to the consideration al • royal commissios. ( Hear , bear.) . Lord LOVA:INE Thought that the resist trial had shown the great incsuvenience of the present prooedure ; because weeds had been placed in the mouth of an officer attributing injustice to one of the highest military authorities in India, and fully to soother . Besides, the speech far the proems- Hon bad actually been printed in • morning paper before It was delivered, sad it contained passages which were omitted when the veer& was actually read before the court. (Hear.) Colonel DICKSON thought that the worst thing that could happen would be the iatrodoction of en extra legal authority into courts-martisl. He trusted that the colonel of the regiment would always be the proeecut r ; for how ever mach eourte-martial were blamed for their decisions, Ilgenerally turned out that they bad been right after all. (Rimy, bear.) _ . . . . Mr..fIE.AbLAY had already expressed hit opinion that i• ordinary mass justice was well administered by courts asastkl, but that the legal machinery of the Judge- Advocese-Chmeral's oaks was not sufficnint to catalog sock •kW as bad Ludy taken place. It was impossible to pie. elude the prisoner from the advantage of legal monstanee but this *abject, which was on. of great difficulty, was under the consideration of the authorities of the trial The vote was then agreed to, and the CHAllltal repseted popes& COMMON LAW PROCEDURE (I ELAND) ACT (1853) AMENDMENT Mr. OTAGAN oroooeed the mooed radios of this hill, the object of which wee to facilitate the mode of bolding anion is the county of Oork. It wed proposed to empower the sheriff tie wrommen the Jurors is tee sets, .o .8 to re lieve them from Paying the whole period of the I.llllZell, which to that county were very loo(. Agreed to. TEe Wsreiousing of British Spirits Bill iru read s third time sad passed. THE THAMES CONSERVANCY BILL. On the motion of Mr. Burr hay. was giv e s to intro duce a bill to amend th e laws relating to the oonsarraney of the Ricer Thames, end for other purposes relating thereto. THE CHURCH MULLING AND NEW PARISHES ACT BILL. The ATTORNEY-GEN ERAL moved for leave to bring is hill to ewesehlate and emend the March Building and New Pastebes Acta. Mr. HADFIELD asked whether the new paiishes would be allowed to levy (thumb rates upon the people of this The ATTORNEY-GENERAL eaid the bill war recom mended by • select committal*, and the smelts introduced brat year. It would not in any way interfere with church rates. This law would be left as it stood. If any amend menta °mild be suggested he would be most happy to con sider them. After a few words from Mr. ft. WILLS leave wan given to introduce the bill. ELECTION. Mr. ADAIR, In moving that the minutes of the proceed kip of end the evidence taken before the select committee on the Lisburn election petition be laid before the house, re potted the position in which both the petitioner sod the . sitting member stood. Th e petitioner had lectured great expense in the prosecution of what be believed to be a right, - and owiog to circumstances over which he bad no control, he was afraid that the petitioner had no remedy now. With regard to the sitting member he, did not think that his posi tion could be satisfactory either to himself or to his friends. (Hear, hear.) The whole state of things was nosatidactory, and it was for the house to decide whether some legislation was not necessary to remedy such a state of things. (Hear, hear.) He ought say that the evidence was complete. Mr. HUNT wooded the motion. Mr. WDONAOH said that it would be contrary to par liamentary practice and to @tante law to lay the minutes on the table in the absence of any report from the oom mittee. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that be believed t h e motion was not oily in accordance with the law, but mu a perfectly proper proceeding. The or.. which had arisen wee an anosoal ooe, and it was right that the house should know all the circumstances ocenscted with IL Mr. WHITESIDE would put it to the Speaker whether the state of the matter was not thus, that there was uo committee at all io a legal setae, tad whether the Louse could receive a report front the committee under such eir earostanoss. COLLINS saw no reason why the house should not moire the minutes of the proceedings and the eviuence taken by the committee. Yr. GEORGE did not object to the first part of the mo tion. but he did sot think the house ought to receive the evidence of theoommittee. Sir G. GREY said the question really wee, whether the house had not a right to buoy the circumstances oa which the committee had oome to their conclusion. The house did Dot asoelly call upon its committees to produce their rs till they emend to exist. r LYGON thought that the minutes of the proceed iap ought to be produced, but not the evidence, sad there fore he should move as as ameedineat to leave oat the words. "and the evidence taken before." fla H. BRUCE did not think that evidence which was ineempleth should be produced. Mr. HUNT thought the hones had a right to know what took place before the committee. ?be SPEAKER said this was a matter for the honer, sod sot for him to decide. There was nothing in the propari bee which seem ed him to be contrary to the rules of the house, end therefore he did not feel called on to inter tae. (Mesa.) The house divided : For the amendment 22 Against The motion was thee agreed to. The house adjourned at 2 o'clock. THE RECENT EXTRAORDINARY OUTRAGE UPON A LIVERPOOL BURGEON . ~ --- Yesterday being the one to which Mr. James P. Brice and Mr. James Scott, the two persons charged with the extraordinary end murderous assault upon Mr. William Palmer Rowe, surgeon, of Pembroke.plaos, had been ?e -mended, the police -court became crowded to excess, many huodreds of persona were unable to obtain admittance, and the man evidently bed excited great interest. Mr. Samuel, barrister, ea the part of the prosecution. said he proposed' to sail Dm. Parker and Aerie's, who had been in coostant attendancie on Dr. Rowe, end they would stem to the court in what condition the gentleman still remained. He (Mr. Samuel) had • certificate signed by Ave medical men, to the effect that Dr. Rowe wesstill unahletoleavehis bed, and they did not consider him yet out of danger. Mr. Deig= barrister, on the part of the primers, be ers, said wee inst to apply that they should be admitted to ball. It wae quit* impossible, in the absence of Dr. Rowe, to go into th os e circumstances which could be entered upon if he were prevent, end which would ultimately form • justification or an excuse for the modal of the defendants. Although doubtless Dr. Rowe had suffered much, it was to be hoped that the injuries he had sustained were not so serious se was et first by the public lemma ; sad he (the karma !earthier) oould not help feeling that when the thrum manors of the ease IMMO to be investigated is a mart of law, it would be found that D r . R owe, wee not altog ether blameless, Wow* no application had been made to him by the husband of the lady for the deliveriog up of • locket and certain oorrespoodenoe, which it was difficult to conceive how a gentleman end man of honour, could think himself justified in keeping. The learned gentlemen urged further that Dr. Rowe had commenced the attack upon the prisoners in anticipation of violence on their part, and that that had led to all the unhappy re sults. Dr. Rowe was in possession of that which no gentle men or man of honour would feel justified in keeping from the lady Mier the request made to him by her husband. and that being so, arid that there haviug Lees strong proems this given, he (Mr. Deighton) urged upon the beech to admit , the defendant, to bail, and they were wailer, he said, to find the moat substeneiel securities that might be required. Mr. Samuel !meet' corrected • statement made by Mr. Deightoo, to the effect that Dr. Rowe had obtained the letters from • young girl of sixteen to whom be was pay ing his addressee without the consent or k now l e d ge ofier parents, Mr. Raffles mid he was sure every one would be glad to find that the cireumstanesaof theme differed tram what they sppeared at prevent, and no one more so than himself, but at present he could not take bail. The pri soners must be remanded for seven days. On the application of Mr. Deighton Mr. Baikal said application could again be made for bail within the seven days, providing Dr. Rowe should be much recovered by notice bang given to the other side in the usual way. DEPARTURE OF PIINCZ ALFRED TROY ECM- Etigoa.—On Saturday monies, his Royal Highness Prime Alfred and suite left Edinburgh by express for Loudon, cis route to Wiodsor Castle. For fully an hour before the train start 4 crowds of well.drewed people thronged the plat form of the North British Railway station for the sae* of witasesieg the departure of the Prinea At tea o 'clock his royal highness, accompanied by Major Cowell and mite, entered the station in a carnage and pair. On alighting, be was received by the following gentlemen, who were assem bled in front of the first•clase mains in which the Prince wee to travel :—The Lord Provost, Ma oe.Omenl Walker, C.B. ; Colonel Lockhart, Mad Highlander, ; Sir John Dom. aka, , and Lady Douglas; Profaners Christian), Play. fair, and Aytoun ; Dr. Schmitz. Dr. Bart, Dr. 8. Mantiam, Ballie Johnston. Balk Meennall. he. In parties with the Lotd Provost, Prince Alfred amazed his lordship that the metropolis of Scotland should ever be held by him in vitriol remembrance, for in it he had neat six of the happiest months of his life. His royal highness then shook bands with the gentlemen we have mentioned, and at tea minutes pan 10 o'clock the train moved slowly oat of the station amidst the enthusiastic cheers of the assemblage, which the Prince repeatedly acknowledged. At Dunbar • considerable number of the inhabitants, awes whom the ladies predominated. assembled at the railway station for the purpose of seeing Prince Alfred. The Prince was greeted with a hearty cheer on the arrival of the tea* and during the stoppage he repeatedly bowed bis acknow ledgments to the assemblage. As th. train moved oat of the station another hearty cheer was given for his royal highnem —Scotsman. THE SHAKESPEARE CONIIZZORATION.—A meet ing was aesounoed to take p yesterday at the Mamie,. home in referees, to the Tacoma/au, Comae rooratioa ; bet the representatives of the preen wen informed that it was postponed till Monday amt. EXTENSIVE ARRIVAL OF OOTTON AT DIVKZPOOL —The amount of cotton arriving in the Manley from India and China was never more plentiful than at present. hems Saturday, no leas than 62,9f0 bales of cotton arrived in Liverpool from Bombay and China part.— ad amid Hong Hoeg. The Gotta. from Bombay was earned in 12 shim via :—Tha Summaries. with 3,264 balsa ; Beeetea Castle, with 5,419 bale; R. Greely, with 5,943 bake ; Balissianeen ' with 6,607 bake ; the Bate Family, with 10,911 hales(the limpet quantity ever brought to Liverpool in use vessel) ; the Victoria Bridge with 415 bake; the Charger, with 4,781 hales ; the Jam J. Mitelaell, with. 4,551 bales ; the Sir J. Mandeville, with 6,706 bales ; the Habig* with 3.568 hales • the Flying Veins, with 6,023 bales ; and the Rewantre4 with 1,3'36 bales—making • total of 60,912 bales of entice from Bombay. Freya Shanties there are fourarrivale—via., the Rhine, with 2,300 Meals or hales of cotton ; the Glenhuntly, with 4,507 weeds ; the Princess Royal, with 7,480 paculs and the golway, with 7,172 pioak—making a total of 21,360 plods or bales of cotton from Shanties. From Hoeg Kong there are only two arrivals—via, the Yaloon with 3,304 Moak, and light of the Age with 4,408 picula, or a total of 7. 712 2 peculs or bales trout Hoag Koos. There have also bees twelve arrivals from Meteatoras. Nieman, sad Bermuda, and as naurly all these vessels will be laden with " blockade ran" oaten, tie total amount of cotton received in Liverpool far the lit two days from the East and the Confederacy will be little short of 96,060 bales. HogicatAx's Ts.A is choice and strung, modern t, in prize, and nholesionie :0 use. These adi soo '7 for this tea a general proton:tics. It Is sold in —Lett te.1117 agents.-lAdtertisanot.Li 7 -*;, .71 .414 • • • • -k.; ilia i {~~~ ~?