The Express. — London, England, 1849-02-06 00:00:00

heap, tourd with the genslity et more member. might be tompeed to adept malt a weldekes ; bat t msed hee be hared that the ase mese be morel at a seasidesabb simile* l et pine esawaliess. Ho &I mot as bow they were to dew lbe keekatisa m M tbe seembere le be seempled. It weld Wards ee wry the edif web".ee l ~ltt l wireliteeel Weld= thie Cerra wen to be • flappme ea Ydltidel eiember were be Wog a mokee =enotber member, a seem ellehro l ige= ee l , se a prises whit was sot a member stake bawd =l:i his to algae hewed and p thawed the wbele of • gemease-gesmal of Indio, de feetasere, or Beard of Adeakikr, is a at *OM been, wed • keg mud Mdse, eel .non as biedimmPeeor wa ilmi= @image of eloping. elem. r Pao panties of hie maim Weald it be Ws, them, *at dee eateeld member, w the gesaied were art a stritlait of the hare, his eiceitees Amid set be podded le ea egad else is his Ukase. (Hear, bear.) He d: 1 1 use bow say disehiesies amid be mode widA Tashi make the bonne to dt *else to al parties la seek a ass. It wadi be honor is lie samba. to reds. 01•17 ember to am beer. tbsa se make say esesplieme to the otrise m et:et 1M isle. (Hew, bear.) Ikea. V that plea wen be board to seggeet, what lam might mem whoa a peat .lease was le be wool, semesannoild memo be be peafowl. or some esseiderabis la the ormektelise ill* oniatry, lf the mosabrs It was to be bleed he ea. bear is epode( Ye (Hear, bead) And =yea did sot amp Melody you would bred* do to w the indiekkel, yea did to sae, yea r wo uld bee* do *Hee to lb, salmi to be Zstwos.) He &sold est fkalksir Orbs op do dos et It t e;ww ; he hoped the also might mem As. a sertdleeset at disk debate ; but be Peeled Sat the dlemeties alma ambers would peewee tie astmedly id a sebeteelke mow lotion, earl that la tame. as is past tier s. in tt i o= **edema of deals weld rem& assaeoftleek prkdeges. (Chases) TYNTI thee& flat the lire of spealtiag is boa. nemeliees, had papaw& with thegrowing lelles dreObew• neither: Ms beam was greatly iodated to *see geot:emea who premated sash tell repieb of dab stowage to ho pablis; bat be *sued that it lest _ : a hike petriodo diserekeseed deartomed the bee. mega woe Wimple* by laughter, and maw of Order.") Hr. H NE—The sable lord Wombed to the dimities at bee. nual•ele, bat b e e. memben had so dieeretim. air H. P BEL maid that boa. umbels seemed to tided that a gust deal of time might be saved if anemias' were lbelted to one hoar. They bad all bees dellogusele, mad be heed tee geseral Vulvae, bed bees to mute speeches of swim length. (Row, beer.) MI mast fad that there were very few %pewees whisk would not be ketireved by oesdessetion of the argument (Hem, hear.) 'Meet ha ritshould prevail. and every samba, would sat urea r a ould be mode YAW tbea plasisg in arbitrary role upon the orders IlitiMald be aka it - making ea bear ride, lest Lon. swab= dyad eseadder they had a vested right is th .t time, sad that his they would have many briar specs? es Weisel stew or two long ones, as at present. (Hear, lie,r.) Dating the keg time he had bats in palls. meat, he board matey splashes sot made on subsume,. modals, a.,(1 yet exesellog one hoar in length, which se one w,. l l have thought of car ailing. Barely, there had been 'perches ot Mr. Burke, of Lord Plunks% and of Mr. Canning, much artemling an hour, from which one word could not heal` been spared. (Hear, hear.) For the Mr sees be e• jetted to precise rules, bat be believed that if lea. etemtn•ts would castanet $ little is their °peeing' and resolution. --(a laugh)—would attend to the argot:saw seed at an earlia p rind of the debate, and not repeat these — (beer. bear) —thiy might themselves effect a rodeos which would be 'otter than any fixed rale. (Hear. hoar .) . 1 1 they wars to mike a rale, he gaits agreed with the DOM lord that the better way would be to make It aaiversal. Above all, they ought to no:gain so distinctions between Uwe wh t tr'ublsd the house with original motions sad the who did not. To give an Ism. mosaber who proposed ea ref/lima moths ea opportunity ot speaking two hours, sad to per sit no one el.* to speak more than am boar, seemed to tam onfs:r. Teen, la ardor to throw light upon the subject inlet discussion, it was proposed that the Wais ts, The who in reply should have a latitude allowed him. What was rasening of a minister speaking la reply f was it cv Ty minister who spoke in reply, or the owe nibbler who followed Use original proposer ? What was **meaning of the =Wets? speaking in ?only being permitted is than an hoar? pa laugh) In mum motion closed the in MSthe code mooting • in the House of Connor, end esppening the Meister who spoke immediately after die repent of • .Fine exmoded the hoc, asseedhui to the Lome of &bate wu every other 'sleben sit to spook ea beer elm thrught the adoption of • role of the kind sew prop aed woaisi, without mature eamiderstiea, spent* diedvantazeowly; sad, admitting that then wee • veep same keling on the subject that they oonsamned too mush time la the konsein diten±ai9tu, end appeeprietod too little lelpentkol iselliesso. err be ime wlllisß to rely up= the glisi ems of the haus in =Nem of the kind, Let, far hm Ines, Mese lea. nettlevesadnielho be. Bombe? far Man atee (Mr. Hume), who teen hoguala prom la the debates, .retina a little of the dame they had been fa the habit of oreenmine (Hear, beer.) Mr. HUME—If the sight hon. beieset will make the somillin, I will do the seem (Loud laughter.) 81r H. PEEL hoped sincerely that the hon. member for Moaner would set • good example in this respect, for that pies wool i be mush more effective than the one the minks 'copepod, because them boo. gentlemen who only spoke for titmegirirters of an boar would not be at liberty to torn round eel fay " I present you with the remaining quarter." (ftmtlemen in the habit of speaking ten minutes or half ea bear Wet adhere to the arse rule, and thus vary ecesider able bent fit might be realised. The right boa. barman esu. chided by exprceeing a hope that the hon. member ter Meaches-w would not prom his motion. After a fow words from Sir H. b rows, Mr. COBDEN add that es be bad takes pert hi the an fine, en this homiest eakleet, he would take the Marty of stating to the Ileum the gniumb apes whin be wean imp pert the motion la the sonnine awe bad beam a nun= that Sete was a plumes in t • beans , owing to the leas delve wiieb Seek pines fa wevybri ea pablie benne ; but be believed everybody sane out lir Me immatittee with • belief that they (the committee) had deal eery little by their report to remedy the evil. He made • motion in the committee which had the support of kw IMF ben out of the twelve. That sena was sateenielb the am el the one now before the hones. There had ass been a nen feeling :S l it, ago was there a Mon flegies sniest the plea la the Fusin Chnabwo k lbws Ins a feeling the neasines nail ....lt peblie opinion. The right hon. amber for Tam worth tow rani his hope that nenbas would lietit thinness to a outing Me. He (Mr. Cobden) sea hosed that he bad ue faith to say own unenteadias es =u r n he believed they were Mashies theuesivee an sonic., la the gene ef whin they would lave a welts of thae. (neen) The elan boa , man lea Ten week was quite right lunging Gee one et the means et tin house were be the Mk - et the areenen whisk had ben nods me of by wanton. He (Mr. Cobden) and spent fir klanif sal MN awn sad Inns Gideon be bed Main to idiom the bons, tat eat when he hued elan aid what he Main te say he nines& fS.m opridea, (Heer. been) Bat this was mot a enrol rule. They nee Seeded wit is Int been, sad that was the nee of tbe . Meer, ben) Than with relesswes le the awned me th lei of by the oats huil (lowsl J. Zustsill) neat he asses tin of permitting nein= of the nen sal elms • sar an latitude. beans a shine might to mei aim as is pant moque OF endue of sin &bent individun g ==ael li tie e penned eine" evil mid net ailhallea of Sat hon. It nest be a deur bounden pin. vp =y, wed, if it were made ea ya Misr be there to de fend bit. awr ea . _ punk early opoonik se ft would set net as sae henna' hr Son = n ea done at a were of individorionnind Wm. . Thea. with tosP••• re the proposed of of the wen le spear itailbroar. vas, awe nos son imam la 1114 ilesslimp lopped int Se inveranat nee seleoked by sew nowsliers. sad that no ninon bad to serhie ea wqramtran a bon e ia the hen. a d _speak ia the nue of a mons la S y were Owned, oni the t nosed nob Malan eine bean sakibere =bar was no Won* is ens Ina sec (Hear.) But, if day WWI AG of opesh they would improve** quality et dm mime) —ls e e idlesan be skewed to may Mt • Mk ier len they wer odiffibee--that th ey did ase beep onion* ea th o g eo Lessaus bens them, sad that *sv overkill Heir with too long quotation' from Hansard, or beim boob or report'', to abut' ell the noesben Innen as well es the member making the opeletnes. (Hear, hear.) A umnber bequeath entered the boom mad read sad rand Mug extracts tress ea eradial et beam, te alai ell the members had ones, se well se the man *he reed sad reeked them. (Rem, bear.) He beamed, norehre, that if they limited the dice of lboy enuhl von nth improve the quality et an of Ibis - be was quite rem that if amembot salting to oe .be send say ft is as hoar. (Heir sad Imniew.) It was a amber bad marking to say, of Mil Mt In, what he was yin le say, that be wean beve= bi t speak ter r awe ben ea hoer. (Hear, mad 11111.11151 .) The hen nest ber he Tann* MA le Ilse en of Mr. D t en. That wee ea enhappy inns. far it was well lawn that Buite ninied the bees. (Hear, bear.) He was salW " Ili Moser bell :" b. watt oos sad talked sad vela d. win tin Imbue theesht of dieing; mad if his won eat fate Mr they wend reed wadi better = 1. 114 did. He would Hell the Ms of guallfts. far the.purpeee ed amine the ekes at the how, sood lbe esyne Wad the ben withthe arrelsy ; and, therein. be wield 7the sena. A_Alyisweb) 14XWDZOATZ sad be was is near ell Minna knkes. bet thst be ine errata •• hen whin ninon grepesina orrawatril Did 11=e r Mew that the ten nun hr the West Iniki bed seta- Mid a slam nosmona Twain set of that ben nit kr Nana nen he nil bees is the Ink those nestkes, awl yet mew be eon limin nil a Unitelha el ne dionsisa of nine been It Min be dipepeushis to Mese = lsai rstion iaa t pleas w nerdy V as e iimff• a we ns lu be a Miller kit •ne pains. (Run lse_ ar.) smut my thAl reed hets ilma jws = aa ion he .eel le one et the to the slab, t Als • so o l s ace go:ag eat el been He hiserszsam bass gearilur that nen we nn would be idio. when if sot the., mad that If the hen wield set. Menai& On they non nes the door te sins of mi= ila suenbisese elsowben abe nal& MUM their sek ;Fenn sad Mt hone the atm nowil epilog omit. (Has, Ms.) He Moped she home woad memo Met fer saying that be der eresated the appeal made to dlone vibe resided what= time sad pm It to de while, lissome it Ins hat that may muster shield be bind sad read. He hod hoe's Moisses is whisk he had Lassaud by e did net beer be% Man 'R&M and he mos esailled tko daty madi be Iseasetly * W *Ms ladle thr 2 2MIIMORam Sin el ig best& =NW mere orimedl=e sai the house of .ideal as far. Gib modem There grand 96 For it t Ms =rat soussesseey lost, sad the sessimul mars, as maraud, Win and ova b the throws sad agreed to. THE ADDRESS. Led L Yams having brought up she report ea the Ad ams* bee The Ileeini al t i f MLLE BY tam sad begged to be with the alleaSsa of the home fee a few iiseim Re latimerd %oder • me, sates mariellea dee de Trogler Majesty did not seamy a air remossaislisa esalitlas aide essa s ii imard rith roloomm se the Imam rarmsdag Intim* eadthe detriets. (Hear.) Ma was easseas to mobs • very remeder thalamus's& in the reyd speed "hid sided So Ilse talleas proms' to be medals the mllmatm of Rio esundry. That parsons& was, " The ponsme sweet of albite hr enabled me - Mash, large reiriel aide estimates of feet yew." NM. be was gluts sum that every towhee of that home lama be moot maims, as Az as it was Air sal pmelleshie, to reduce the setinssess la the present year, bat he might be snowed to elk this qmodea—Mow wee it that they were able in the pressed year, in esassammee of the " pre, eat aspect of affairs." to redoes the esilmotes, whoa hot year they had iscresesddma? Ha bad waled to hear, bat be had not se yet Marl, say mama mel diablease between de yam lid sad lie gam ISM. The gooseamma bed not died Show otters to the goestisa of the odkades, bat the aside lord grad Z. Rased) la kb weed de over night staled that :SesiM mime the awe dad amy. He (the aside ab as d e ssa bie baur lb s te th r :lai d r ep to w r g was the 'sped d os n“ rerekieg m i tres of the t, the ret la de Panisub, the em of ear ethers ea the wipe of iosarroMisa—it was ant ardent to Rohe large roilaelleas k ear isms. He modleisedspeed of the abases of all solimeass la the flasmik M the agsbnalmal distress mid* hod lima bought alsont by free Vale. and maleadd the wheat leadmay of remit *Matins led boss to redneeemployment at how, and tenershe it to the kedgese. Mr. ZANIES dad to soh am or two qamtione of the It sword that in the Brasile thsy a n r iat ' sited their mama deism on deports boa Mb eseming to as almost uollished amount ; sad he de sired to knew If this men a feet, and, if so, what were as Midis mesa whit these customs duties had been mind ? Ela des bird to Mow whether no sesame oldie VW had bola meshed between the INS casseaWiag of par. limed sad the presses time tom Palmed Mid Mein ? Rs hogged to Warm the Prosier dist ha Iselt so credit to him safer the szpalsias of the Spada Weldor from LaMan— tia' he would not go to war with Spain if he had do pew ; but that he would, if he could, ait the originator of the national affroat Ira Is the English araboissel in that country. Mimosa, of oath/adios every fled eve alteration ' 1 1 : 11 = mg daft the commenial interim of the ocount , y . Regarding the revenue ' the balance sheet pet into their hauls that day showed an moue of empen dime war t 0.... of 796,41 W. That was not all. Thus there was Ihiely to be added to the exam of ezpenditare the revenue morissibm from the esen•doties, not much short of 1,000,00 M The - noble lord himself confessed that he would never spin resort to that as a.source of revenue. The sable lord had, moreover, told them that his Azad duty of Ss. would bare been no axed duty at all, for that it would have gradually &dialed to nothing. The protectionist party had therefore Whim; to reproach themselves with in not having eaossatedto so Is. duty as a lima duty. Under this state of things they were to be celled on to ma ke a new grant to the dime ma of Ireland—which they no doubt would all be . . disposed to give i t they could end ibe means; mad this SW* of things wed it that justified his mad his party not only in not coagrathlating the Crown, but in doethttally giving their went to that part of the address which ermined astir faction reopening the trade, manufactures, and revises of the enemy. Kr. K. GIBSON believed it was true, as the hon. gentle man hat stated, that we were threatened with differential duties in the Brazils, that the trade of England was not in so salkbatery a pond= as it might be, and that the personal rights d individuals eanneeted with English trade wen not as they night to be. (Rear, hear, from thi oi Lerretioniste.) Bat he attributed that fast to the hostile pursued by this eemMy is redness. to the dam tra e in the Brasile He (Kr. Mean) entertained the on that we were at the present time seising Brazilian skips by the authority of as act whisk had am the foundation of a treaty, bat had rather the amempties of might over right. We were soft towards the Baulk in a manner calculated to excite a mei hostile iselingla that country, and to that muse he attributed the unsatiebstory position of those merchants who were eon. mated with that trade. If such • course were continued, how could k be • matter of surprise, comb/eft the reeldedve policy punned for years, that arse should OKI remain some of those difilealika wkid was MOW and founded by that very system of ro• eldolionea (Hear, hear.) They had sot yet got over the alleeldes of amietotione. The corn laws and other Nettie. the laws venni II in reference to our interests in lava ouwalefos. Bet 'nobody felt that there was as nee la aniehenees and trade—(hear, hear, alotilhaaaelbee were still srest difficulties to Naiad with, ma that ineendee, skill, sad Wow nee le beseela te beet bided then In ceder to coelbselhepenese P=Oe llugeldi liesta a lir«larpe= l6l4 4l 4 Waniuslin in s way wailer pukka n this blab. Hs them* that their pesitioa towards the trod maim had effined • very extrandisary ace . First of all they ft an openly ask he pronelley sad so hops, had bete hid oat eleswhen that wed& He believed that the lan member fir lad sever wee nallesed the word proteciisa la non. He tilted et reelpesky-ilan atun e s hli= wee clearly ended by blame nose eraL l e h t with bias. Whoa the ' was nab et reereasb neat sad esennyorhes it was sold that the Chandler et I the tiger even Isintelos the et new be ear ennessen, the hint was Irembed these lims...m dense is • bee he (Kr. Gillen) imaland Wm They ensured the severimat beard trenrti- EOM, at Ilse sans tine that they evaded prebein. Lee lIM emcees the gentles of the boa. member tatMestrals, es* mg what it was they proposed, what It wee they waned he the *Baer. They Noe forward es the Mall of the aria= sad disowns/ell the slightest ensure et. He beard that the farms were snag fee a repeal of the malt-tax, sad wane said that • sepal et the hop duties was else belied. Bat It a, how were these ban to be tins el mhos Ilse was relneceaseat is ear eapsaillen / (Hese, beer.) How were they le sedan the beans sa spisel laden 1 ay, se well as ail elfin breash es et bereft, if then wee en he s o reteleinesel and as maim ? He wee ineanted with that Mende limit e mai be semi sly ay, that If these ben pollen= peened *dr peewee mew the soma by maid bid inn sespeadlie hens ninsaasee of ee es ls ear rills esteldlineen. Mesh bad been etr i =elabs, Mel benne led beaa reed about pineal sellielea, Poe be pen be should be seen "tow *ads. amid sae aeon bend the penes, et evi netnetisa M—(baser the peleelienels)—winthe iswelawabiehe pile hese ads& (Ober, Mee.) He waved of thee he ewe be ealesbed there amid be es maid legislative that wee ale heeded epee swine epheisa, sod that they nen aellete la mete te hen a need bosh et pain e= Wee MajwAre epee& epee et Madmen is the donee the evaefiy, sad of theenstltuthia babe headed ilea the pelaiplas of gneiss sad juice. He thought Oat wee man • bay Web. We did, ao doubt, ea rice bletebc s ua b b e r as ths im esr a tt e adzza i d tr i beit hr ri t az wadi a lisle nen quelled ea that stelfeeL lie thee& lien wen leas la on latillethes, set is dleibß le Ihin it should be brae to ail that soweelenen 'Mali there did sot exist saw* atenimant, If ray. !fee Saws catho- W ie r immt belasse la . were an Neel atembei Se the church bind. sad he belleil= s t a i e I= mple were an meek stashed to be I ibii elide many. He theeibeetheet s i t a . l th e gown as ell et In es a have quilled eherosine he pet he %peen bees the threes sa that He erlind ie lamer to whieh valuable beinehes the people was M eshed, sad w h at w ese as that heeds. eadjwilin whisk wen the theadatlea el the eseetieadea. ebbed to 'now whether my at these Weis 'meths opee He lleseemegiftet die evnevelas body of this Newry— (hear, bear)—sed who thee is seta net Inn hat all that wee nimble is these pens at the ereenetioa sad is ear belies dam to whisk the people wan washed bed bees wrung nwatherreembeepolyby Use alreaseas saertleme of thera py thealogess. aim, hew.) Therein Mt he call upon MOM see to 117 0. the Intimate besesisa by the peo ple of rase It was tha et the hen. amber be the on Biding thane blie atten tion le the easeneep aenveat of= he wee easearil l a b g a viag sonshbe nen misfit tho u... Minas la to *ON peolusisers whin were coseteeis Pain asee, nil %elan the esseelhe bed that sweet spit then it weal be tureen& wet to on ' Wane ea shoed switios estooregenee k the pub& tapes& awe. Invellawasehteureserneedelpdiey.heineteilerNa• *Ws slaws world powwow In riwkortag hem the wolf the newidoi rsk ilio lathe, sol es Z a t rd eerrV i r e. tba ave be the le 1 lbs twat Moor had • right to &mad that In Its idled sewee if ease eeneelition (Hen.) He *et Sir podia would be Weisel, it they WWI wpm the_ genernatest to any it eat amplenly. As wee aplly sit by the boa. reatatior tar demereafthire, "Kra vlek tO give bee trade a lir trial, Mad the =lhe eh." (Rear, hear.) He the enemeen 1 9 , IlL es pea they would the peiedele se elearig eel to the asinelea we as the iii& In& brasset in regesft the esee laws sad Use, ke woolen emir sentlast - wenti be alilandell and sprained it 11. glar e es= ll. thi li char ar let If the Baez 1 ggi medlar, bet with the getting up of which lie bad Benin te do. He *Night it than the goolleelsia WI the bLeashuter Wheal mime to ibinwelres the right of Ling the matey on pelitisel toilet, whoa they had the supenitale t et the onatcy sawing the bone dna Criasprin the eine of the country. These nee anti what the agriculturist , wanted ? r l ot ialadvd is return to know what they were driving al im sz . d wises usually they wished to imitate. Thda ever, seined so rosily adopted by the des he , taw he Duos why the boa. amber hr the Wet Sig THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING. FEBRUARY e, 1849. should has be sated ow the TlNSdaffy brisk, si t gel the m att ter the budget, width it wis tot l toe got of the itemnest r bak eminent. (A in the vied net et the suil oft 1112:th wen, er mks& as lot gee lath. water eke the West ;mutiny were! /reward at OM Mai MOM WOO! kid a eseegerimetrierke ot buboes, vi be steetierelleles eri the emistry, esti emth her Mejesty's Welter& able by adept. lag kis views, wealiedkka to trump ag kis weal es a pro ! pket, and take his slat e es be (ft J. ?Mil) binned belied =already invited te aeyetWeeloi two p Se ease to see what areas the ken neekket it Montrose sad ging islemlietle Oka Ile wished to sititibee would m”ses - ie MMIIMItim Vika et 10 week? hen 121111111• isfered goods. [Mr. Gikesse—There iti so duty on cetera] Bat airs was NS Ike iting shin. (" Hear, hear," sad keaktk be. the preesedeoll.) He me the gevement trF Melee 444 wain set newt tkedr esti mates is future. (Ohms eel lwasittar ham the yokels m irl He eertakall meld sot gin them a vote et area, in future apes the Chaseener of the Exchequer with greater maths. After remarks in the same spirit from Mr. Wodeboses and Mr. P. Bennett, and after reiterations from Mr. J. eeCesnali,of statements already made on the Italian question Mr. A. HENRY said that snare doubt had been expressed as to the present condition of the manufactering iateribt ; and he corthined is. was much surprised at the want of in formation which had been exhibited by some bon. urethan opposite. This was a subject on which he was able to speak with coafidenes ; for he war entrusted with manufac turing establishments in Leaceshire, Yorkshire, Leicester. shire, Glasgow, and Bask, and was also a very ex foliates exporter of manufactured articles to all parts of the world. (Hear, hem) He could assure honour able gentlearen—end be was certain the house would hear it with greet satishotica—that the manlike:daring interest was now in a state of onsiderab's prosperity. Mr. HUME said he was anxious to state his views of what the government ought to have done, consistently with the feelings, and wishes, and wants, of the country. The km. member for Doreetailtire asked the government to do gemething for the agricultural interest ; let him state what they were to do, or what they could do. What could they do for the comet fanners, except to lessen the bard= of general and local taxation, by reducing the expediters of the eonntry to the lowest rate at which the governmentcould be serried on ? Owing to the artificial state in which agri culture bad been long kept, most unfortunately for the coun try, fakeers were now exposed to • savers competition from all parts of the world ; and they would be entitled to pretee ns. if it was afforded to any one branch of manufactures. Still he was convince I that a free trade in corn was the her for all classes. He rejoiced to hear of the improvement in the manufacturing aid tommercial world, and perfectly omisurred in the paragraph older address, which expressed the gratification of the housson that subject But he could not ad. mit that that expressed all which the government ought to do. The royal speech ought to be • plain statement of what ministers meant to do during the session. Such was the ease now in Belgium, in Francis, and to an extraordinary degree in the Mated States. Let government state what the country wanted, and what they meant to do, and not gloss over important questions. Home matters were too much pawed over ; the first five paragraphs were devoted to foreign poliey, sod the debate on the address had almost wholly turned on that point. The noble lord at the head of the fora i n department bad made& clever speech for the pur pose; but if it meant anything, it was that the English people were called on to act as the police officers of the world. With these views he meant to pike on record what he thought ought to have formed part of the speech. Last session there were between 2 and 21 millions of petitioners for parliamentary reform, and • large number for reduction of the excessive bunks of our unequal taxation. Was it not, then, meat extraordinary th at no notice had been taken in the speech of the popular demand for these objects ? As to Ireland, in its present state, he did not ob. Joe% to the continuance of the extrdordinary powers that had beth granted to the government ; still the Irish m.mb en ought to be listened to ; and these p ought cot to exist • moment longer than necessary. What, OW the other hand, had rendered England unquiet but the demand for reform and reduction in taxation ? The speech -poke of a reduction of some of the estimates; but not a word did it say of the redaction of the general taxation. A revision of our whole fiscal system was loudly called for, and something of the: kind ,had been promised when the income tax was re imposed ; bat not • word was heard or it now. In Canada, where responsible government was at length established, Lord Elgin was calling the attention of the repreecaratives to the reduction of taxation, because it was loudly cared for by the inhabitants. If any such relief was con templated at home, why was it not announced in the speech ? The time was now come when the government must be carried on with the moment of the people, or it was impossible it could be carried oa at aIL The onneinn from the speech of all allusion to the state of our colonies was most signifi cant. Allusion had been made to the reb dli in in the Bast lodise, but none to the rebellions at the Caps and in Ceylon, whereby a far greater number of lives had been sacrificed. To the tenth Qpaarraaggmph of the address, which deplored the existing disaff etton of Irel and, and alluded to the continuance of the extra'adituary powers, he should the following addition: at the sum fine, ortapelisd sau to rearessat to mfar Nseb Mat tin engem of Omaha is sad the har. Iwo sae st mt Me Mashy of the esantry sea menet; OM WI. ▪ Mt esi timple ems thereby nth k tisk Stelae eth reseal end Netwonent essint smamsA i r re hithhi w end U. Melee to inks peer samerams pokier preerwerd hs this =m aid k pessokeep et hot sinks, et Se prank ekes - ro se• tenths beim meted sal mirk r be Isseity as the sward sissies at tin sammemite ; Waft spine, therstern regalras a sompirte re. videkelk • view I* MIMI *MOM egadditramassfer the future. OW el. lefts peek brew Teethes Wit we ems* represent to Ism Mara* kit leek il snaky *Mats this masay elmeelbeg lie dea w ean s eat the esnatftution la of this hem; Sri NS W= et yew Makstra bpi sad letkations people keened ark pilling kr agree* wthmska of the traniedee and for Mlles &Mem. Mk after lossoorso et ram by whisk C I = sisbi base sotribtliol suit My sad slab rawremeat the MLad we someyse Math, that s e &a sibs, triobsos e ear side= meressesiimetknef thembeillees Ism mh, rieneeed ti Os molls* yaw is thelobst efOglessadettheap.f el is soft to soortis the es. eme, 'swam tie ef tbeel sod To ositsvoar losso re OM et ma diewileateltat exist in Mash is as lisrobbso. tat is WAN wilsaisa. Is tab resat slats at the Mom be did not wish to take a divielen,ses mew twin bees given by him; but when the house sump to the paragraphs be had pointed out, he should move these amendments. (Hear, hear.) The adders was then read by the clerk at the table. On bin arriving at the tenth paragraph, Mr. RIME moved the fret of the above amendments. Kr. G. JUNKIE mid le would cheerfully second this anteadneent. The amendment was then put, and negatived without a division. On the 11th paragraph being put. Mr. HUME moved the venni amendment. Mr. S. CRAWFORD entirely approved of this amend ment, but could not see the me of it without it was pressed to a dirties. It was too good to be thus disposed cs 4 and he hoped the bon. member would divide the lease. Mr. HUME midis had already pledged himself that he would not press his amendment to a division • but it was ”es to nay o th er hoe. member to call for a divi sion span it, Übe deem. (Hear, hear.) The Bonin= then coaled for the " ayes " and " noes," en the amendment in the mad way, and on Mr. Citswronn enelalming, " The ayes have it," the ga ll ery was ordered to be dewed for a div ision. Mr. BROTHERTON said a few words, but aw were Meinilble owing to the noise ovisioned by the cle arin g of Z lWlll6 4lkfiles, however, took place, the amendment baying been sciplived without a division. The Address was then elleed IRISH POOR LAW. be W. SOMERVILLE said he rose pursuant to the no tie, planed es the paper, for the purposeof proposing a select committee. with a view to Monk* to the operation of the Irish row Law. It would lo in the recollection of the hones Mat his hon. and gallant friend, the member for Port edimpais (OIL Donne), pr3sod a similar motion in the seen if the last eesim. That modes did not soot with IIIIIIMSINe• of She home. A year had eloped since that period, ▪ tbensh is the weskiag Of • law dm& vast importance • ISM MU set a loop peeked. semelbekee. it was hardly too shod to my that theispeeiesee Omen ordinary was elowled into the mistful ens which bad Jut p ear, hem.) He could timennere sow redeem the pledgee given by ton that mesedes, that if the law was not to s m e la d i t il estkilieterily he would propose a committee of On this wassolis he would abstain from dim the dlipmed points eammeted with the poor law, d KM ft emmandVse. (Ha., would be baser to leave them for the a bear.) He was attached to the main prinelpie at the law; but r he thought many hoprommeste mall be introduced into it. He would set sow state what those improvements were, se ha would have an opportunity of doing so before abs eemumittere. It was said that the course proposed by the government would solely have the e ff ect of delariag legisla tion on the ishieet. (Hear.) As far as government was con emesed, be thought he had given proof that them was no intention of that sort on their part, for this was but the third day tithe sedan, awl ha came forward to propose a ines aro with &Mew 0,1,044 *kinks. He would undertake to my, on ow past th e geyriment, that no efforts would be windup oa their part to bring the proceedings before the eansmittee to a speedy teretioa, and to forward any sub sequent legislative nu awe that might be neceseary to place the law en a more sitlateatery footino. He had no doubt ' that the ether members would be equally &seines of a rowdy tiemisilme, sad he did not despair that they might come to a eaddriAmm wird; end agree to many improvements in the Mgr. (Hole-) havieg been put, Kr. F. FRENCH me a representative of a portion of Weed eiblek mere then Miss ermined tram to *WSW sat wileimma policy el that Muss towards Ire land, begged le israblo the hems with a few seemrks. His right hen. Mead arm{ Mew I that the of a mid sammllhoo wee MMeneest to en the moStr the mks. tu t .21 hes. =id OM dm a of the• labeern of the bat VA net Mkt that hi right her. Mead was PIERIA In limmkir my emit 'weir dew It sea immiered that the /F a it the peer law is Woad MINH set LW year 2.0 00 . 0 0 01 . been eseended. Agile. system West. door mad had-bees head ea the peeple of Ireland is ii awe of the aneserig at the meet meient polithel mMr Thsameonseme wee Matta average rate la Cos tathe peens clieldelef theassire, was Sh. 7d. whereas liOteet rats lleplesi wee only Is. 6d. Is Jew, 1848, so Mr this M per sent. et the population et the Ceetiehar mks were receiving relief • is Bolds robe, till per rem,; Clifton, 62 per relief; Would it not Dave hem better that the land amid have boss isti satilloi s then link eAse being soiltivated, its per 1:17‘ P° 111 " 1 4. i -18eltdos o beli br b' 'tar Aish • - - - dam .Mild ham base talf by e we...a , ewe-- ft beleggini l . Dabs all e 4 Mr 114dooleo irovegoisset 1.14 !ably to promo some pit• O r siblec ia t !it ' of the nor "WM led . ~ bissA is l adept b a S y I n a sZersaasts irmi , \ l aa&r il itiliii MU ere help aqui, that lae , hot anshisi 2 LW doe was amid fir the sappeet . ef the . =bid not been reechoed Cr taunted su to ofir of that kind, sad tits logliolk =sobers o the lamb. lease ought sot to oppress Disk landlords with that taltiffi. Admitting the principle that property should snorer& poverty, why shoeld not the property of dealers and lawyers be rated ? Why should meet- Crsad anaultauts esespe ? (Hear, hear.) He Mae to the conclusion that a very oonsidershbo feria might be established, without ratted* ono shilling in the pawed. Let oat-door relief be abolished, and let work bilmetsbs aide self-supporting, and the entire expense would be seined to about 600,0001. a year. Let a tax be levied iltellidest to employ the able-bodied, and to develop* the sensuress of the country, while it meshed the speculative elleleriese. whether of companies or of individuals. Saab • Ism would be cheerfully paid ; hardly a single person, pro lboisoal or otherwise, would refuse to contribute to it. In that way, and in that way only, was it possible to most the difficulties of so importaat a question. It was utterly im possible that the present system should continuo to exist. Mr. FAGAN said he knew from experience that a variety of opinions were entertained on thissubiect. He had before stated that at a meeting of nine members of parliament held in Dublin five distinct opinions were expressed with regard to it. He now reiterated that statement, and he would run over their 'event opinions. (Laughter.) The hon. mem bee for Waterford was in favour of a town-land rating ; he (Kr. Fagan)) was against it. He (Kr. Fagan) was in favour of the modification of the Labour-rate Act Boggs/Se d by the hon. member for Stroud (Mr. P. &rope), his hon. friend the member for Meath (Mr. H. Grattan), and the chairman of this meeting, was opposed to any poor law at all (Guest laughter.) His hon. friend the member for Ti.perary was is favour of a general union rate for the aged and infirm, and a local rate for the able-bodied. Thus there ware five dis tinct opinions. An HON. M 1311111: Only four. Mr. FAGAN proceeded to say that he thought *omens bars who were opposed to the existence of any law at all were influenced by the extreme oppressiveness of the rates arising from the abnormal condition of the country. Bat for the famine of three years ago, which had abstracted nearly forty millions of capital, the poor rate would not he be newel have averaged more than 6d in the pound. In fact, la the year 1646, previous to the commencement of the famine, the average rate did not exceed that amount; at present it wee from 2s. 6d. to 21. 9d. He did not think it fair as respected the poor law, which was decidedle beneficial is its general operation, to protest against its cntinuance on the ground of the distr ess in which it involved landowners, when that distress was clearly owing to the visitation of pro vidence in the failure of the potato crop. (Hear, hear.) He i.ereed with the hen. member for Itosoommon that the pro- vine of Connaught was in a different position from the other provinces of Ireland, and that the efforts of the house should be mere particularly directed to the relief of proprietors in that portion of Ireland. Minor BLACKALL expressed his satisfaction at the course pursued by the government, and he trusted that one result of te.e inquiries of the committee would be to show that Irish members in a-king fe r an investigation had not been actuated, as they had been accused of being, by a wish to get rid of the poor law altogeth, r. Mr. BRIGHT said, although he had no fault to find with the appointment of the committee, but, on the contrary, was of opinion that, considering the feeling which prevailed in Ireland, it would be wholly unjustifiable to refuse inquiry, yet he was anxious to state his belief that Irish members deceived themselves when they fancied that the evils front which they suffered resulted from the working of the poor law. The great complaint made by Irish members was that an excessive amount of pauper ism existed in certain parte of Ireland. The Enelish poor law was at present comparatively lime complained of ; bat if pauperism existed in any English county to as great an extent as it did in some ' pans of Ire:an I, the English law would be complained oi'just as loudly as was the Irish. An bon. member (Mr. F. French) had declared that Irish people having property were not indisposed to surport the poverty of their country. He was exceedingly glad to hear that statement, but he believed that the la bours of the committee would lend to the conclusion rthat no shifting of the burden of poor rates in Ireland from me district to @Pother, and no readjustment of the poor law MA however expensive it might be at present, would save Ireland from absolute ruin, from a state of things in which one half of the population would eat up the other, which was. in fast, nearly the existing conditiou of many parts of the country. The hon. member for Roscommon (Mr. F. I French) s dd he did not see why mortgagees and annuitants should not bear a portion of the burden. Was not the hen. members's are that if any one borrowed money of a capitalist in this °poetry, ha must, as a matter of course, pay the rare of in wrest bargained for, and that if he required a mortgagee to pay a portion of hie rates. the only result would be, either that he would be obliged at the same time to offer a larger rate of interest, or else that he would be unable to obtain the loan i (Hear.) There was, in fact, no more hopeless delu sion than that of supposing, as many hon. members did, that they might by such moans as them get rid of the pressure of he poverty by which they were surrounded. (Hear, hear.) He di I not know whether or not the committee would be allowed to go into other questions besides that of the poor law itself ; but the attention which he hat paid to the sub ject—though not an Irish memoer, and though he had not lived in Ireland, the question was one which had not been neglected by him—had led him to the conclusion that, unless the resources of Irish land were de vel iped, the people, haying no power of supporting them selves by their own industry, .Irish landlords would remain fora time in their present newton, and would, in the end, infallibly be eaten up. (Hear, hear.) There was no cm here who could relieve them ; there was not wealth or in dustry enough in Great Britain to save them. (Hear, hear.) He had no doubt whatever that there were many districts of Ireland—that there were, in fact, many counties—which, at that moment, were in such a position through incumbrances, mortgages, and settlements of various kinds, that it was quite impossible for the land, in the present state of things, to support the population. A bill was =last session, for the passing of which the government great deal of credit ; and hon. gentlemen would rood lest that there was great difficulty in carrying it at all. When the bill same down from the other house, it was bavery mmb by the Solicitor-Gene ral, and was in' maidenbly liamoved. But when it reached Its %art Mara, a dense was added to it, by the consent of the gemeemest, having reference to the serving of notices, whist prevented mass im-twentiethe of any good that it Might sawlike Mee produced. He had understood that that risme wee Meseta for the purpose of ensuring the we bs of the hill in the other house of parliament. He did not resitively affirm that such was the ease, bat he had heard the Mallnment on pretty good authority. He now asked the go mennsent if they were aware of any eon in which the MS me, having been put in force, had done one particle of good in the direction la which it was intended to operate. (Hear, hear.) They could not, he thought, point out a single in stance. He had heard of me inseam, in which there having been an attempt to t the bill in forte, it was found impos sible to do so. Another coma of attempt he had been informed of, in which considerable mischief had arisen ; and he be lieved that no one had derived the slightest benefit from the rameare except the Irish lawyers. (Laugh ter.) Unless the hones could grapple with the h ul a question, no Landlord and Tenant Bill, no Poor Law 11111, and no shifting of taxation from one district to another, end no taxing of mortgagees or proprietors of moveable pro. puty could produce any beneficial effect. The people must be set to work by some mesas or other, or else the pauperism of Ireland would eat up its property. (Cheers ) Mr. STAFFORD said it was not often that he had the satisfaction of declaring:that the hon.'munber:tor Manchester (Mr. Bright) had made a speech in every word of which he entirely concurred. (Laughter.) The hon. member had stated a great deal better than he (Mr. Stafford) could that unless parliament dealt with the Irish land question, and unless the poor law were made a stimulus for the tip velopment alike resourossef the country, the expenditure of • a after =Mks woad afford no real and lasting relief. The whole system of electoral divisions required re vision. Nothing meld be more arbitrary than the man ner in which the conmaissioners, sitting perhaps in their carriages, on the nearest road, marked the country out into offhand divisions wholly regardless of parks or pro perties, or parishes, or unions, or baronies, or even of coun ties. The tesdeney of the Boundary Commissioners' report, ameating to rumour, was to make a considerable reduction in the area of tandem for poor law purposes. It was matter of serious complaint that government bad net laid on the table before this some bill for the consideration of the committee new proposed, at all events, that the right hon. gentleman had not now speciasel what part it was of the existing law the go vernment designed to abide by. He trusted that before the debate closed, some other member of the government would, by a more distinct declarative, remove this impression. CM DUNNE observed that the resolutions to which the hon. gentleman had referred were not, in point of fact, resolutions, but simply suggestions, emanating from various parts of Ireland. He considered that the government were adopting a wise course in appointing this commission. He only wished it had been appointed last year when he raised the question. Had this been done the country would long sines have been satisfied that the present poor law of Ireland did not work well. One evil of the present system wee that it inflicted double oppreedon upon the very men who most earnestly appled themselves to the improvement of their estates. The hon. gentleman referred in particular to the eases of Sir Charles Coots and Lord Farnham, who haw ing no paupers whatever upon their own properties, bat on I the contrary giving constant employment to several hun dreds of men, were, by the urejuit distribution of the taxation area, made to pry enormously, beyond an like their fair proportion. The whole thing, in fees, - needed thorough rubies. Kr. BADLEIIt said he could not beget that the ex tremely onerous and important duties of esseetary for Ire land, conjointly with those of a poor law exam lmicmer and a law officer of the WOW all devolved wpm the right hen. b a ronet opposite, for w ham he Mt ditgased, therefor% to make very great allowanees. He leged. lowever, that thus pertinent questions which bad been pot by lie Ma. Mood the member for Northamptonshire would be distinctly is mend before the close of the debate; and in the Meantime he must complain that the Irish secretary bad altogether ab stained from laying before the house thosentatured 'tonsures the question which he should have thought be must hew formed as the head of the Irish poor law mineeleales. (Hear) He should have thought that the right lea.ger dame& would have shown them something of the unnimilp that prevailed amongst his colleagues • and that the e of Mr. Twisleton would have bees laid befobeforethe= He Wasted, sateever, that tome member of the mist would explain to the house the principle spat which the ppoooarr rates were at present collected la Ireland. As he ma ths matter, it was dame something in this way— The guardians met and discovered that the sum 6,0001 was necessary to carry out the of k ayo They. consulted their clerk, and Mg what rate would be necessary in order to realise that am. He would , Whops. le. fa the puma. That ante would be aee o ly struck, and the collectors would go forth to collect it. In ems or eight weeks the 001 l seem would return, but instead of having received 6,0001., they had probably not got in more than t,OOOl. What was then to be dem / Another rate must be struck, perhaps of 4d. in the posed. Again the collectors go forth, and after another lingthened absence they rotors with 1,6001., and this enced rasa hes bent eol, lamed almost entirety host the very pumas who paid the first rate ; whilst those who evaded the flat rate evaded the' second abo. This was a direct encouregentent to a certain set of miserable landlords, whom he need not farther par ticularise, to have Rpm th sir estates a elms of tenants who were able to pay rack rents, but could not pay the poor-rates. He trusted they should be informed, before the debate closed, whether it woe the intention of the cabinet to insist on a system by which they should have the ratepayers repre sented by elseted einuciens, end associated with some per mits who would represent the poor-law guardians. If the government were to take into their immediate conside ration the system upon which Ireland had been cut into unions, they would find that no alteration or amendment that could take place would have the effect of relieving the destitution or of giving a Wattles to industry in Ireland. Sir Q. GUY observid that the bon. gentleman had adverted to a variety of topics, all of them of great import ance but with respect to the details 6f the ope adii,' of the poor laws, they were fit subjects for a reference to a committee, and he thought it would be mach more convenient fee the dispatch of the business with which he was entrusted to abstain from fol lowing him to the consideration of those details. There were a few parts, hogre•er, to which he would refer. First, se to the collection of rates. The hon. member had said that an estimate having been made of what was re quired for a gives parish, the collector who had gone to col lect the rates had returned to the guardians, stating that a considerable portion had remained uncoll ected, not from positive inability to pay them, but from an evasion of the law, and that the law bad not been enforced. Mr. BADLEIII.—From both causes: chiefly from their destitution. Biz G. GREY.—They could net frame a law for the col lection of rates where there was a pi sides inability to pay. The hon. member would fled no indisposition on the part of the Poor law Commissioners to enforce the poor law to the utmost in the collection of rates. They forced the arrears from defaulting landlords and proprietors before they celled on the guardians to make any new rate. The commission had repeatedly applied itsil 7 to the examination of all those details to which the hon. ergotism= had adverted. The first report of the commis/ion had, within the last few days, been transmitted to the government, and would soon be laid on the table. He believed that many hon. members who had been in communication with these commissioners could teetify to the diligence and pin ience with which they had discharged their duties. He would not state from recollection the general tenon: of their report as it would be in the hands of members in a very short time. He would only say that the report had been referred to the poor law commissioners, that they might report on the ex,e diency of carrying it out, as far as it could be adopted. Gentlemen might be aware of the expe.as of building union workhouses. There were defects in the unions end electoral divisions, and as far as appeared desirable they were anxious to correct them. In Ulster they did not find that any alteration of the union was generally desired. In other parts of Ireland, these unions were formed on a different principle, and he believed there was a tendency to a.similate them to the principle of Ulster. As to electoral divisions, he could not (*L.:enrage tee principle that the rime of taxatiou should be reduced to the sin of the town lands. That sabject might be fairly considered by the committee and the house when they were in possession of :the report of the boundary commissioners, and he would now express a hope tint the report and the oviducts on which it was founded, would tend to abridge the labour of the commit's*, and save them much trouble. The hon. member seemed to expect that the government should be prepared with explicit answers on all paints con nected with the subject. Why, they might at once produce • bill to be attacked by all the gentlemen from Ireland, each holding a different opio ion, and having different arrange ments to propose. He was not prepared with answers for all the questions which had been asked, but this much he would say, that government were going into committee without any intention of altering the great principle on which the poor law was founded, or the principle of relief which had been added to it l•st year. (Hear, hear.) As to their falling back on the original law, or taking away the power of relieving the able bodied, he felt it desirable to state, that government did not mean to take away at power. Their object was to facilitate the operation of the law, at the same time keeping the main object in view which was, to preserve Boot starvation thousands of the people of Ireland —(hear, hear)—for he believed that had it not been for the poor law thousands would have perished during the past year. (Hear, hear.) He would not further detain the bona • he thought he had been sufficiently explicit as to the intentions of government, and should reserve himself as to details until the committee had been appointed and was in operation. Mr. HERBERT regretted that .ge+senment bed hot come to the bun. wish . pictured WI, and the more so as he thought the principle of the poor law a good one, and that sone judicious alterations might make it work efficiently over the greatest portion of Ireland. He fisted that the committee would lead to no results. Sir LUCIUS O'BRIEN, who was almost intudible, was understood to deprecate the delay of the government in tak ing the alteration of the poor law into consideration. Mr. MONSELL said that the real difficulty which that pen of Ireland, with which he was connected, had to struggle with was, the flight of those tenants who possessed capital, and the consequent danger of a great portion of the land becoming waste. He did not object to the committee, as ha thought it might perform many important ser vices, but at the same time, he trusted, that go venunent would not delay submitting the report of the commission to the house fur consideration. If they did they might depend upon it they would have to propose a gnat neat year fir Munster, which would by that time be in as bad a condition as Connaught. He (Mr. Man sell) assured the house that there was a vast emigra tion now going on from the south of Ireland, potion. laxly from the port of Limerick, and that that emigration consisted not of the cottiers, or of persons without capital, but, on the contrary, that the capitalists were the persons who wen going away, and that the pions for whom em *Taint must be were remaining. (Hear, hear.) Was it not necessary then, to avert the penis which was owing the evil ? He thought that her Majesty's genrnment ought to be prepared in a very few days to introduce some measure to accelerate the division of the electoral districts, and to divert the poor rates to the purposes of emigration, otherwise the eapitalista would continue to go away, those of them who re mised would be left with encumbered estates, and a miser able ekes of unemployed paupers would have to be employed, ast hem the exhausted reseurose of the country, but from the bads of the Chancellor glebe Roheluer. (Hear, hear.) Mr. GRATTAN observed that the hon. gentleman who had just eat down labored under a mia'ake if he supposed that the evils of whisk he aomplained existed only in the aunty of Limerick, hr they were pascal in Inland. The eapitalists ware 'clo g away licm army part at the country. said if the principle wars to be adepta of leaving the able bodied to be hd on charity, then the owners had better lean the vestry at ones. The right bon. baronet (Ilir G. Grey) seemed to be a sort of red repnblisan—(a logh)—for he appeared desirous of carrying out in Inland measures which had utterly failed in France. Sir 0. GREY briefly explained. He was understood to y that the government were not appointing the committee with any view of retracing their steps. Mr. S. CRAWFORD said the reason the forams of Ire land were emigrating and carrying away their money, was basies they had no security for the investment of capital in lhe why. He wished to call the attention of the govern ment t• this point—that, as an accompaniment to any amisohasat of the Irish poor-law, a aware must be intro.* dual to give security to the fa rmer for the improvement of the sell, which security be did not now possess. Industry weal wily exist where it had a right to that which industry erected ; and, in a country where the industrious man had no rupee of receiving a return for his labour, there could be no industry and no employment. A want of employment was the cause of all the evils in Ireland, and employment would be given if the necessary security were afforded to the industrious. (Hear. hear.) Mr. BT. GEORGE said a few words with reference to the exemption of the small holders of land in Ireland. Mr. P. SCBOPE expressed a hops that the committee about to be appointed would be supplied by the govern ment with all the necessary statistical cress that would throw light on the affairs of Ireland, for facts woe mush mars ins portant than mere opinions delivered in as ham. Re hoped that the returns, of which notice bad beem dam hr a future day would be submitted, tending le shew movements which had taken place among the pIIP6IIIII of Ireland during the last few years. The te e trohismil by clearances throughout the country during metal past should be stated otherwise the committee would scarcely know the effect o tter narrowing of the area. The committee should know how many tenants were evicted hem Asir holdings for the last few yes; they should also be EOM as voluted with facts relative to the condition of thopesgh,the amount of emigration, and the number of Torah through the country ; and as those several returns were essential importance to enable a • ht judgment to be formed, he hoped the right hon. for Intend would furnish them. Sir W. SOMERVILLE said it was impossible to produce all the returns to which allusion had been made, but that every return he could give, calculated to throw light upon the subject, he should have great pleasure in pro ducing. (Hear, hear.) The motion for the appointment of the select amnia*, was then put, and agreed to. TROOPS IN IRELAND. Mr. GRATTAN moved for " Returns of the mambo of troops of the line or other forces employed in the heir ise 800 in Ireland, as mentioned in her Majesty's ipso& !sus the throne ; together with the list and nesse el the Idled end wounded, and the number and descriphea et heels engaged on both sides." Also, " Returns of the meat of expenses and cost in sending troops from Great Mak to Ireland, mil in moving the several regiments and other armed foram in various pans of Ireland an ths occasion of the said alleged insurrection." Mr. F. MAULB said that, from the manner in wash tie army in Ireland was disposed, the manner in white the Olken bad commanded, and the forborsnce of tio no collision whatever had taken place between Ow= balf idettleire amidesta, awd l b alskr..--. be allel — T --""it illat f ten of Med and weenie& wan Winne* le the fo r a maw n. bows to Itekiad, Ike hoped the Imm* he lima weld not pat the_wwassent d seavehing the Admiral, and ariaa emb lem , tree..**. fie. use the semen WOlW 00OU 03.1111411 time, end, ff erneresful, would not convey any d Interest he the RN*. He had no oh l otion to give a satin at the numbs: of troops stationed in Ireland dar*gtM th ish months cd'ths anticipated eathreak. (Hear.) Mr. GRATTAN said his object in moving for the noting was to show that the word ' insurrection" in the Qu i n ,7 speech did not mean insurrection. , ARRESTS UNDER THE SUSPENSION OF HABEAS CORPUS ACT, Mr. GRATTAN then moved for a return of the lordy t s . and names of persons united under the suspension et the Habeas Corpus Act in Ireland, and fur what alleged miser offences, thaw' profession or calling. the length of iragragg. went, and if let out on bail or otherwise. Sir G. GREY said there was no objection to greet thi r return. He could not give the r (Duces charged against eaeL individual, but the number and names of the pereonsarremed under the sugeension of the act would be l a id on the gage to-morrow. (Hear, hear.) THE SATTARA STATE. Upon the motion of Mr. Hume, copies were order* of the minutes and proceedings of the Court of Directors of the East India Company respecting the confiscating of thus teed. tory of the Sattare state ; with copies of all protests sgaigo the East India Company's confiscating that territory, am depriving the heirs of their rights under the treatise *urn s the East India Company and the late Rajah of gy m together with copies of the proceedings of the Board of Cue. trot sanctioning that confiscation. The house adjourned at 20 minutes past 12 o'clock. the Orpregio. The man for Vigo, Oporto, I.iabou. --- Iladelea Wks, sad Gibesltee ew be made up om the rooming of the 7th Feb. The mile, vie flereslUan to the Mediterranean tint, ggo. Oeyloa, ntla, liong•lnag, 70., will be made up ou the omens of the 7th Feb. Tee man toe British North America, sad the United Simi% wi be made up on the evening of the 9th Feb. The malls for the Wont Con of Africa end Madeira will be may up on the evening of the 12th Feb. The Wed ladle Man, enameling Bermuda, Name;Bane% gonna% New Orleans, end * suer, lad including these he %Weirs BL Jaan.de.Nicerana, de Chill, and Pen, eig be made up cm the mondag of the Ilth Feb. The man toe Gibraltar, Malta, Grimm, the lonian Wanda F Aden, Ceylon, hat* Hong-Kong, end Orion, Ms tionhomptos,"ii be made up ow the morning of the Seth Feb. The man for New mouth Wales, Van Dtelean'a Land, en g m Zealand will be made up au the evening of the 28th Feb. The man for Midair,, the Braille wad I[lololl AV% TM made up on tie mains of the 4tb Meech. IT MOH yrATER AT LONDON BRITOIL WAN D. —1100•Ing, M isla. put 0; Anew" 9uW. pat L 1"0-30030w —Moss3g, 40 mg& Put 1; Memo', 3 33. pri 1; LONDON, TUESDAY, FEB. 6. TIME out of mind there has always been the ere great schism in the tory party. Always has it bete divided into the capaldes and the incapablea. Ern the days of BOLINGBROKE to those of Pill it was the same, and from the days of PITT to those of Pria. Every practical and sagacious tory chief has hada straggle with an antiquated, plodding, prejudiced knot of his own party, which often got tits better of him, by suiting a dull monarch more completely, or falling more harmoniously ie with the Intellectual clodhoppers of the day. An. DINOTON reigned, despite of PITT'd contempt end Cmeritsa's epigrams. Mr. PERCEVAL and Lord LIVERPOOL were great men. And so would Mr. HiNKES and Mr. HERRIES, in the year 1849, if the country and the crown were not both far too wills awake to tolerate a political " Dunciad." And yet the antiquated section of the toriee is after all better for having an antiquated leader. His tactics are Fabian, his movements circumspect, sad by taking up a position and remaining firm and quiet within it, power, one time or another, is very likely to take refuge it his camp. had such been the policy and leadership of the protectionists, we cannot but think that they would have made a mach more formidable party. Bat the old people, astride of the old ideas, would somehow or other follow met tlesome lead. They would agitate, they would scam per; clumsy yeomanry as they were, they would assume the offensive, and charge even their most pacific antagonists, with the certainty of being always licked and put to the rout. Never party certainly has held together under each a multiplicity of blue dere and of beatings. No body of politicians, per hope, not even the French communists, have been more laughed at, have had their darling theories more completely exploded, or have hugged them, notwith standing, with more frantic constancy or more ludi crous despair. Never did the protectionists cut a more miserable figure than at the commencement of the session of 1849. The day of that session's opening closed fee ever the doors of the sepulchre in which their beloved protection was laid. They rent the country pre viouely with their clamours of grief, intermingledwith promises to recall the dead to life. Yet when par liament does open they have scarcely the courage to repeat its epitaph ; and the leaders in both houses start, as it were, from the echoes of their own voices, and leave their own amendments in the lurch. Is it lack of courage, or want of honesty, that could prompt them, first to call the farmers together, and tell them that the country would be rained den the repeal of the corn laws was abrogated, and the party supported in order to obtain such abrogation ; and after all this, these same people to come to t parliament rs repeating the cuckoo note of agricultural without daring before that audience to prim for their clap-trap remedy of protection ? Protection is, in fact, no longer more than a word, a stalking horse, a thing that has lost meaning with men d sense, and only serves to g all the ignorant. Protec tion in England is, in fact, precisely what repeal was in Ireland some twelve months since. The - areociation and their staff lived by it; and so do the presidents and officers of the society c/ No. 17, Old Bond-street, live by the word. We forget at what agricultural meeting the other day some honest politician observed, that if parliament did not treat the protectionists with re spect, they would join the cry for the equalisation of taxation. We call on this gentleman to keep his word. Protection was scouted with contempt by parliament, contempt so withering that it was ex pressed not by votes,;but by laughter. Let, then, the " farmer's friends" turn to the other alternative, and since they must own their inability even to de mand protection, let them join in the demand for a repeal of the malt and hop duties. That is plain enough. But here again the tricksters fight shy. They tell the farmers they are for the repeal of the malt duty, but they not only never mention the ab ject in parliament, but they declare for keep ing up double the military establishments that we had twelve years ago, for no apparent reason then that of preventing the repeal of the malt-tax, or d any other that weighs upon the farmer. But not only do these Jesuits of the squirearchy, whe blow hot in the country and cold in parlia ment, determine to leave the question of the malt tax unagitated, but they are resolved to Ni their face against the farmers agitating it. They denounce leagues and associations, and frighten you by the assertion that had ROBESPIFIRE lived now he would have been a free trader, and harangued at Manchester. By the by, we think this not unlikely, for ROBESPIERRE was a very common individual, would have probably followed the current of any time in which he lived, and in old England would not have dreamed of cutting off beads. Bat the Pro tectionists are] afraid of ROBESPIEHRES amongst the farmers, and therefore the recommendation is, that although they may ,agitate for the word protection, which cannot be realised, they must not agitate for the thing, repeal of taxation, for that is realisable, and therefore dangerous. Such is the preaching used by these muftis to their true believers, in whose ignorance and resignation they must have c ertainly in calculable reliance. We see that a meeting of the Sussex farmers takes place at Battle, on the 13th, to petition for the repeal of the malt tax. They may depend upon re ceiving an excuse from his Grace of MORMON% to the tune that he might agitate for protection, but that for the malt tax, that is a saddle under which honest John Bull should not be restive. For our part, we recommend that personage, or any honest and plain-spoken farmer, to nee at the first agriculturist meeting .in Old tond-street, or el.e where, and put it point-blank to the champions of protection whether they will pledge themselves to give notice of a motion in the House for repealing the act which came into operation amidst such general rejoicing on the Ist inst., even although that act has been followed by a rise in prices. If no protectionist will make this pledge, then let the farmers themselves adopt the other alternative, that is—petition for the reduction of taxation, and for the only preliminary W it, the reduction of expenditure. Ini of nil 11131 11111 Pr IL' qu eta tat ha 21111 Ti PH wa afr sul IL the Dal the Da: bet tug no ma imi col the and of ip lac Roy