The Express. — London, England, 1849-05-16 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, MAY 16, 1849. the crown NOW Were. Earl GREY.—I wish the noble lord had adhered to the Intends& he expressed of abstaining frem a premature sr }cosies of °plaint, and from statements which it is difficult kre me to answer or to pass by in silence. About en hoar ego I reef ived • despatch from Lord Elgin, and that despatch, when the house next meets, I shall have greet satisfaction in laying on th e table of the house. It is a despatch which I think shows that Lord Elgin has tested throughout v ith his seenstoased judgment, moderation end good sense, My lords, I have to state to year lordships that at the data of that despatek which was writhes in much hate, after the regular mail had been forwarded b way of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick — the despatets I should say wee written on the 30th of April, and just arrived in New York is tims to be forwarded—it appeared that at the date of that despatch • riot, undoubtedly of a very aggravated kind, had token place ia Montreal, sad that the parliament houe had been burnt; but I see no ream at all to apprehend tr s om that despatch that there is the war of races 'skids the noble lord speaks of. On the contrary, I have every reason to believe that tranquillity is restored. For what 1161 taken place I am prepared to take fully that responsibility which belongs to myself and my colleagues. There is no rep which has been taken in this affair which I am not prepared to justify, and which I am not convinced that parliament, when the facts are fully before them, will approve. But I most take the liberty of informing the noble lord that the responsibility of this event, in my opinion, rests as much with him as with mod other persons —(" oh," from the opplsition)—for this simple reason, that there is no doubt, from whet I have seen in the public newspapers and elsewhere, that it is the account of the pro ceeding§ in this house monis time ago, and the expression of opinions the noble lord, which has contributed in no slight degree to the violence of party feeling which pro• veiled in that colony. (" Hear, hear," from the ministerial side of the house.) Ido trust the noble lord in this house will remember that there is • responsibility in the members of the oppaaition, as well as in the members of the administra tion. It is a fact which 1 think the noble lord is too mach in the habit of forgetting. (Rear, hear.) Lord STANLEY—With regard to the responsi; , lll2 which attaches to members of this house, and to the o doe, under any circumstances, there never was a gowns meat in existencewas so much indebted as that width I see opposite to me, to the sense which the oppesition enter tain of their practical responsibility—(hear, hear)—but it is no part of the responsibility of a peer in parliament to hesitate from expressing his conviction of the nature and int peaty of • course which the government is punning; and no iodination or insinuation thrown out by the noble earl will, at any time, prevent my exercising the liberty of which is amongst the highest privileges of a member oTtlit boom. I boll to repeat the question to the noble earl, namely, has Lord Elgin acted without advice, or on his own authority ? Or have the noble earl and his ooleagues directed the step which has now been taken ? And have they any explanation of the state of the agony. beyond that which is eontsiaed la the public' papers which they are purred to au to the house ? The noble earl says he will lay the despatch of Lord Elgin on the table on Friday next. The Marquis of asiiNSDOWNE was understood that the hones did not sit on Thursday. Lend STANLEY—I will, however, repeat the question Was Lord o Elgin left to set upn his own - unsesisted judg ment ; or had he advice and instruction frees her Majesty's government ? Earl GREY—I can only repeat what I said before. I Will lay that deviated an the table when the house again meets, and until that is on the table, it will be inexpedient for me to enter into any explanations. Until your lordships have read that despatch it is not for me to say on what points I have given instruction** Lord Elgin, and whereighave not. Bat es to the iademnlty bill, I say now what I said • shut time ago, that I advisedly abstained from giving him any instructions on that point. I believe the constitution of Canada and most of our other colonies to be this: that the governor have general ineructions to guide thus in giving their anent te, or withholding it from, any bills; that when bills are tendered to them for acceptance, they are bound to morose their own judgment, and having so exercised it, they tressealt those bills with such remarks 118 they may thi ic neeemmy to the Secretary pf State, and thereupon her ](sleety w in council Is advised to approve of or WWII bills. It has not been my practice, nee will it be while I hold my present office, to deport hem this wholesome rule, and give iestructions to goverecre of colonies to assent to, or dissent from, hills which are not before me, and the circumstances nader which such bills have passed are unknown to me. (Bear.) Lord REDESDALE thought this was a government bills Six members of the legislative council had been brought In to pass this bill, and it had only been carried in that bay by a majority of four . The noble lord was proceeding to dies sass the general question, when The Marquis of LANSDOWNE Wilma. and said the government had no desire to avoid • dismiss. bet es the queries had been answered, and were Se be le ea table °a the sit eject, he beggeil l ruggest that eh Ilei not it* time fee discussing it. BM GREY said the noble lord (R-deritiale) ha hem seintenned epos a matter of fact. The addition he Mr legislative council wu entirely Irrespective of this w. e. long ago as August or Sep:whew the Governor- eesse wrote to het to say that he thou& h expedient thst on addition should be made to the etas iii. Eli use Lea whether certain persons week seethe sem i sag thee= he stet out blank warrants, autlystaai sie certain gentlemen, if they would accept the efN. Man) to say PETITIONS FROM FARMERS IN FAVOUR OF THE NAVIGATION LAWS. The Duke of RICHMOND, es yeasting sereal as ion t he ham agricultural distriam, eviest the et the mediation laws, esstended that dbe farmers • peso feet right to petitim es seek • satins. They we y ll I sae, and did not wish to see war gooses invaded b skips. awl sotwitbgesdng the enervation/ of the nips sari ;Ile seeretery foe the canna the other night, the farmers of Sesser and the labourers of that county, ant le all other parts of Besse:, had a perfect tight to petilos seek a measure es a repeal of the navigation laws . orr i did they treat the lumen ? Would they mesh Yaeger ? When they asked for protectioe, said to be a dissatisfied ram ; end when they silliest the navigation laws, they .were told that they haw loathing about it. (" Hear , hem,' and laughter.) Earl GREY 'Waned that what he sad was, that kese the places from which the petitions came, it was corteis that the petklesers did not care so mach about thactOse e n Tensaw el the bill, bat they looked to it as • step in re pee. peer. (Hear, hear.) AUSTRIA AND RUSSIA. Lord BROUGHAM said the attention of the nark Ars =had been ca ll ed to en important sabisol, mike apes the same matter, to pm • condom a Use Win mervis in t o oppsite. It appeared that Resale had Melba S large bine t the Austrian territories. From the idenes ties whisk be led received from Vienna and eimerbere, it teat the Russian army had marched to three Val at Heawy end Gallicia. He wished to irk whether say latmaticn had been given by the Zemke gio varmint of the purpose sad intention of this ibevemist I He had as desk it was with the entire consist el the Awoke goverament ; bat that was no answer to a doubt whisk might arise as to whether one meats, could interpose by form in another country fee supposing Austria were to agree to make a cession of Su gary, Transylvania, and Gallicia, we should have a mdse. right to 'complain of such a step and to protest ogaieet is. No person felt mote strongly than be did the anxious kis to see Austria, our ancient and hat ally on the twit a an Burom, in entire, quiet, d successful possession of her rightful dominions. In putting this question he ad wish it to be understood to be his opinion that any meatacted a wrongful part who only interbred for tie el: I I pose a/ sustaining the present distribution of power In Emmy, lad yetis' down those reckless agitators who bad been coveting Europe with their follies and their mimes. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, who was almost in audible in the gallery, was moderatood to my that me intelli gence had been received of the Realism troops ha entered Gallia'. He was not certain whether they had entered any part of the Austrian dominions, but the move ments of the Russian army certainly indicated a course of action which bad such a tendency. He did not, how ever, consider the employment of the troops of one country in another country, at the request of she latter, for the pre servation of its dominions, was analogous to the use put by the noble and learned lord as to the cession of one part of a country to another. AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS. The Dab of RICHMOND roes, pursuant to notice, " to riii=" tn.' as e„ n d y to Pi e r :l I f s a ß t a tt la ti n o d tgrje la l i o n o ing te Inipinsees and urgency of the subject." He did not deb to boas add; bat when large bodies of their fellow VIM Ildrerimg such wire pressure—when he 1 weir e» thousands of agricultural labourers out of =, aid when he knew that there were thousands of turista looking to parliament for assistance and re. lief, he felt no hesitation in calling their lordships' attrition les the subject. And these men were suffering kons" the free trade cotton-spinners chose to agitate a nd seise large sums of money—and, by the way, a noble lord monite, now a member of the administration, sent them the modkent donation of a 61. note. (Much laughter.) They never allowed the people to come into their halls without ticket,. They told the working man, " You will get plenty 1 of bread ; your wages will not be reduced, and the Ten HOW. I Bill shall not be passed." But the moment the corn law was repealed, by the cowardice of one, and the treachery of many —(lnghter)—the Ten Hairs Bill was passed. He under stood they were trying to play tricks as to this bill now, bat parliament would not allow it to be tampered with. C , uld there be any doubt as to op iculteral distress, although the farmers had been insulted by not one word being said in the address from the throne about its I A gnat many of the petitions were for a repeal of the malt. which he thought a most manor and =just tax. With en increasing population, the tax did set boron : sad why were they not to give their laborige bamobrewed ale ; why . should they buy foreiv a "she le hates their book instead of malt ? It mutt be re membered that the brumes took their leases under the old gels's, rod he thought in the altered sire of things their Mmes dread be give. up to them by their landlords. lie wesld salt the right rev. bench of prelates, as they were ge nerally appealed to, whether they would expect the Winos to pay the tithes which were commuted when wheat was at 66s- a quarter, hutted of 46e., its present price ? They could not do it, and the right rev. prelates might depend on it, that if they were not relieved the farmers would endea vour to get rid of the tithes; and if they did, they would be joined by Bright, end all those men who bated the church, and the church would be swept away entirely. (" Hoer, bear' " and laughter.) He thought the average ough t to be taken every yeas. hansed of ono you cm awl ewe yew. at. was mother dungvf oomplaint. The formed bed made so profit rthe last year, end yeC they were made. to pay the income tax. Why, if that were done to these ontospepinnen the while cal Menchester would be in a blase. (A last&) Wel, thee, they talked of free trade for Inlaid : was itkre l kids to say to the Irist farmer, Your land would grow rea I l =lnd we peer an order to prevent your doing so ? He the free-trade party not to press the farmers too ihr :1 ;bi r d se sight te make these rash experiments of flee I milk keeled end ruined such large manes of pee- 1 ple, is wee set may the tenant farmers who osespiabeed. l bat the mukkole of labourers who wen out of essohigmest. (Hear, hear.)_ Twenty or thirty men might lIS sees be 1 every little vate out of employment; and en Beak* kb. I eastrious agricultural lab,nrer should not be deprived el do I means of obtaining his livelihood, for the purpose a mistrhser f ore igner. (Hear.) The English was a good-hearted man ; but he sea Wm- Owe to be so, of he was long subjected to the treetennit which be at preset suffered. In conclusion he mast say, that if neresift were not dons to relieve agricultural dk tress, the semegpssese would be most serious to the country. The Earl of WHICIIELSRA could not, in justice to his own hasp, IR to the yeomanry and tenantry of England, remake silent era the pressed meadom His noble friend, the arm sod vegamproaddei enoperese of protection to the whale iskilly of the awoke, bid dearly shown that the L. A . h , if sea the treequillity of this canny, would be V the preimet rash eystem of free trade were per ions he cordially concurred. Unlace the monsihatmer, who could stop hie machinery when he =h a s agriculturist depended upon the goodness of for the return of his labour and outlay. Over feed as the British agriculturist was, he believed it wholly =that even the present miserable prices could be 8 ; for he believed with the improved egricul- Mil operations now going on in America that that country aims would be able more than to supply the whole world. Ile essoientiously believed that these measures would lelet HOB empire to a crisis from which she would find N Mean to extricate herself, and he should never cease to agitate till protection were restored, not only to epice ntre but to every species of native industry. He looked Imes these 11111811111111 1 1 SS a fatal attack upon the best inte nds albs ormility, realm felt confident that the result wadi lead to MOM mesequences than they experienced ems he 1822, for he 1822 there was a plentiful harvest, whin In 11348 there was a scarcity—in his own county the seennen not exceeding 2 quarters per sae, and that of an in- 1 fobs qoallty. Under these circumstances he called upon their lordships, in the name of their country and as honest I mss, fearlessly to retrace their steps, for upon the govern" I most, and upon those who refuted thus to retrace their Mega, would rest the awful responsibility of involving must tremble. (Hear, hear.) The Duke of RICHMOND again rose, and mid he had omitted to auk a question which it WAS h is intention to have pat to her li's government. It wee, whether they ad mitted the agricult ural diseren, and if so, whether they were prepared to traduce remedial waves ? Berl GREY said, thesikthe week was not • convenient occasion on whisk to dissenthe great gelation of free trek, re particulaity es se modem had been subedited to the house, still he meld set allow the two speeches which had jest bees made to paw embodied. And he would memoeme by awariag the noble dike that both he sad Itle wade friends near him were very sensible of the emienikerel distress which exiseadaszespe (daily in the sedbern parts ',England. That they deeply deplored; bat at the some time wise set pa pered to istrodsge say mieseres with le it. He must remind their brashly, that Ibis wee T the Sett time they had heard eimplekto of agdielteed dims; gal likes the noble earl Odd them that the mare miasma of meat &tress meld to be taken as a sensinelve proof of the Niue erne trade, be sited what sissimione were they to draw hem the midmost 4 &Ann modem to the adoption of a free trade pokey ? (Ilier, hear.) The earn laws were poised in 1816 Med be towed that fe the nem year petitions were ' meted ea a &loom Ailahl,; similar rlg were is 1817, 1819, 1820, 18 21 , 1822, i tka , 424,1 Uhl, Mk 1834, 18',i5, and 1838; so that is 14 years out of 31 dmiectkeprevalence ol protection there were strong eampiekte of agricultural distress. Bat that was sot all, fee he heed that the distress was so in tone that it bed loos mentioned in the Hing's spook ems three meadem, and that six ocesneiglego had sat to investigate the subject. (Scar, hear.) when be wee told that the present distre ss arose from free trade, he might remind them of the report by the solainittee oldie Hesse of Commons in 1831 who, Thee report bad been drawn up by • sight ho e . gandemaa sow a convert to km leads, was at dot time 001 Ni. =2 ll ••• Of the shiest eeters 0 proiestico, and roam deg Se die repeat el • resepp ds= eimmittee be mid " the osomellbaa of ISM Winged a bop thet;e rs t body el the ispeplers .0 the sell, either kis the d mess times, ter Sam their weak gegeseses = l m s t s ag goads them le waresseat difliekies male glide they sew Meer. Thu woosoalliss, with deep gergret, see lesnin MIMS •• for that the dilisalties dime ram& that the swim _fond has mse, their mkt kW 11.1=4.goessiem complete ly sehe" (Isar, bear.) Re Mglikly ask sot weak , tbeglibere wee anything very lenselthtlibs in Mat statement to led lima to return to a midis el prolvdss. (Hem.) Aad he wadi farther mon AM owed es the Monis sew was it was not in his I vry init le meek fir k. In the Ant pigmy ttk. 'oath of Emslend the intrust had been one of the very worst that had ever been known • and that that was the main cause of the distress bad in ' fact been admitted by the two noble lords who .pro him, particularly of the noble earl who stated that in his part of the country the yield inf eri or exceeded two quartsrs per acre, and that of an quality. Now he asked whether it would tend to allay , the popular discontent to whisk the noble earl bad alluded if the of this mantel were to be coefload to that pointy pro =rl-6 (Heat, bear.) Bader throe eirrolutances he thought that it WM Mater 110 t of regret but of congratulative, having 'nerd a ces e s pecially to the state of Ireland, that they w hich y the blessing of Providence, and that change of the law w was most timely accomplished throe years ago, been ambled to obtain so large a supply of food from abroad. (Hear.) He mild not see what possible object Me farmer tumid base in wishing for the repeal of the malt tax ; because, when they were told that malt was of great tonne in feeding cattle, he would remind them of those ex periments which were tried some years ago by the most emi nent scientific men, first theoretically and then practically, to ascertain the value of malt as compared with other food ; when it was clearly established that it was such a spears of food that, if the duty was taken off tomorrow, no one would adopt it. No one mold suppose that any taxation in itself was desir able; but, looking at the whole circle of our hoodoo, he believed there was scarcely one that was attended p with so little objection as this tar. Then the tabu:co m b: e a bees referred to. What was the foci? If foreign *obsess were allowed freely to enter this couatry, our climate waists inferior for the growth of that plant, which wee, ia the !bat place, • very exnausties plant, and, in the second, requited a very hot climate, that there waa not the remotest pod; Why of this country enteritis into successful competition with foreign countries in the growth of tobacco. To seriously Nippur*, then, that we could, in that respect, compete with Cuba and the southern states of America wee eat of the question. It came then to this, that the present tax was only a tax to support revenue. If it were other wise, and there were any possibility of cultivating tobacco in this country on equal terms with the foreigner, be could see no objection whatever to apply to that article the same role as nu applied to others—beet-root sugar, for ex ample, which was allowed to be grown in this country ea paying the same duties as colonial sugar. (Hear, beer.) The noble duke farther said that farmers ought to Is allowed to give up their farms in consequence of the Mt ef 1846, and the change which it Wanted in their peespeets. Hu (Earl Grey's) belief, however, was that theri wee now co difficulty in the way cf that where the tenant really de sired to surrender his tans. As far as his experience went, when a farmer wished to throw up, it did not answer the of the landlord to make him retain peep = 8 ; but he knew when the off. r was made by the landlord to take farms off the tenants' hands, they ha mediately wished for time to consider the proposal. (A latch.) lie confessed he deeply regretted that speeches, which no doubt were made in all sincerity, were being made throughout the country, calculated to create a most unfounded mai' in the minds of the farmers. Fur himself, his whole interest was Involved in land, and be saw no reason to doubt but the land hereafter might see better days. Before sitting down he must timess the satisfaction he felt at seeing throughout the country steam proofs that agricultural improvements were going on much more rapidly than hitherto. Some months ego he travelled from Cumberland to London by railway, and he re nuked that he had seen lying about so large a num ber of drainage tiles—a stems proof that the spirit of im provement was not lying dormant, and that the farmer' of this country were not really discouraged from activity. He would now conclude by once more suturing the noble duke that was quite aware of the existence of great distress sad that he most sincerely deplored it; but, at the same time, he most add his firm conviction, that any measure which might be attempted for meeting that distress—a dis tress which was beyond their control—would be likely to do more harm than goal. (Hear, hoer.) The Earl of MALMESBURY mid it gave him great plea sore to hear the noble earl admit the existence of agricultural distress. nut, it that were some satisfaction to them, it was speedily destroyed when the noble earl added that it was not the intention of the government to introduce any measure with a view to its alleviation. (Protectionist dicers.) The agricultural distress referred to by the noble earl, se formerly complained of, had arisen from totally di ff erent mum. In the year 1816 then was a very deficient harvest; In 1819, the currency bill of Sir R. Peel was the cause of the farmers' distress; in 1822, the dieters was attributable to the failure of the banks ; and in 1836, another and a totally I different reason mutt be assigned for the agricultural dis namely the enormously productive harvest at that year. The distress now existing was not analogous to any of the Maw distress( s—tor it was owing to entirely different wee. And when the noble earl said it arose from the deft dewy of the harvest in the south of England, he must be allowed to say that such did not account for it, because there were complaints from all parts of the kingdom sad from In land also. The Duke of RICHMOND, in reply, said that he was convinced the government would ultimately be obliged to resort to a corn duty, not for the purposes of protection, but for the sake of One thong was certain—the navi gation law policy bad recruited the ranks of the agricultural party by adding to them the shipowners, merchants, and the hardwaremen of Biro:deem= ; and last, though not least, that great body of operatives who found that tree trade meant half a day's work and a quarter of a day's pay. 'Lite time might come when he would have to go upon the hust ings to demand the suffroges of his fellow-chisens, and he woe convinced when that time eame, if ever it did come, that he should carry off a majority in favour of his views. The noble duke then presented a great many petitions complain ing of agricatual diatreas, and others praying for a repeal of the malt tax, and a return to corn duties, for which "- above. RAILWAY AUDITS. Lord MONTEAOLE moved the first reading of this bill, which was agreed to. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved that the house do adjourn to Friday next, which wa s agreed to. Adjourned at S o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TUESDAY, MAT 15. The SPELKEIL took the chair at 4 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. REPORTS CONSIDERED.— Black Sluice Drainage Lots Amendment (amendment of acts, extension of time for completion of works, porn to levy and Mill, further rates and moneys, to alter existing rates and tells, and for other prows) ; Edinburgh and Olugow Railway, aid Wilson town, Morningeide, and Cohnees Railway Amalgamation ; York, Newcastle, and Berwick Railway (Rarmoor and Aln mouth new branches, ae.); Bills. THIRD READINGS. —Shrewsbury and Chester Rail way (for branches to the river Dee, agreement for joint sta tion at Shrewsbury, power to subscribe towards the Shrews bury and Hereford Railway) ; York and North Midland Railway (deviation and abandonment of part of the autho rised lines of railway between Market Weighton and Bever ley, and Copmanthcrpe and Tadosater) ; Bills. CONSIDERATION OF LORDS' AMENDMENTS.— Edinburgh and Northern Railway (additional capital and amendment of seta) ; North Western Railway (extendon of Lancaster Branch, abandonment of William Lands Branch, new road to Settle-station, extension of time for pis chase of lands and construction of weeks) ; Bills. - PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. RZOISTILITION OP BIRTHS &C. AND MAZZIAOB (floor- MOD) BILLS.— By Mr. C. BRUCE, from Abernethy, county Elgin, against these bills. ABBITBATION TZZATISA INSTEAD OP WAIL—By Sir T. BIRCH, from the Society of Friends in Liverrol PRYSE, from ,Car die= and other places; 11r. HEADLAM, from Newcastle ;—in favour of this proposition. AOIUCULTURAL DIBTRISL—By Mr. FRILWEN, from Cuckfield ; Sir H. fo r from Leieestar;—complaining of agricul t ural distress, andthe repeal of the malt tax. FINANCIAL Rarony Sir R. PRICE, from Somer. setshito, in favour of financial reform. METE/4810N Or THE 81ThIRA011.—By Mr. S. CRAW FORD (69), from Rochdale, different parts of the metropo lis, lAdoester, Berwick, Tewkesbury, Bridport, and other places, foe an extension of the suffrage. PUBLIC LIBRARIIS.—By Mr. A. HASTIE, from the mem bers of the public library at Glasgow, for the establishment of public libraries in every town in the United Kingdom. Itarintaoss BILL.—By Mr. GLADSTONE, from the clergy of Worcester, against this bill. Bean Hooexa.--B y Mr. G. THOIdPSON, from Shef field, for the abolition of lioanses to beer houses. AMIAMATION BILL.—By Mr. G. THOMPSON, from Reading, in favour of this NIL Casa or TUB Rev. Ma. Sson.x.—By Mr. G. THOMP SON (2), from Wesleyan Met hodists in Mabyshire, for the release of this gentleman. Ircown or Deexe.—By Sir J. DTJCKWORTH, from ' the Dean and Clispur of E- Ester, against the bill limiting the income of deans of old cathedral churches to I,OOOL a year. Onaitakt. REPORM.—By Mr. KERSHAW, from Stock port, signed by 1,800 persons, in favour of general reform. PROTICTIOX or Wonsue BILL.—By Mr. Alderman HIIMPHERT, from Southwark, in favour of this bill. NOTICES OF MOTION. Imam Cannot TIMPOLLITIBIL - Mr. B. OSBORNE, Tueefay, the kit of June, to move for a committee of t on he whole house to inquire into the temporalities of the Irish church. Tan O'CONNOR, on Tuesday, the 6th of June, to submit a resolution pledging the hones to adopt the principles of the people's charter. Mr. HUTT moved that, in consequence of a petition of the mayor and corporation of Gateshead, against chums in the Tyne River Conservancy Bill, net having been deposited in the private bill office within seven clear days after the second retain of the said bill (by reason of the illness of the member for Gateshead), it be an instruction to the com mittee on the bill to entertain the said petition notwith standing, After a few words frees Kr. W. Parrair, the motion was agreed to. EXPENSES OF TEE NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY asked Mr. Greene, "what is the gross amount of the estimates mitt in by Mr. Barry, the architect, for the completion of the houses of parliament and all works relating thereto; and witether the commission (of which Kr. Greene is a member) hos any legal authority to sanction or to alter the amount of each Mr. GREENE was rare the hon member would acquit him of any want of courtesy to `lm, or any wish to withhold khrmatim, If he declined sesweeing di. question is the fail la which it wee now pat ; Wows in the °purse of a few days would be laid on the table of the house a statement, not only of all the expenses that had been in curred, but of all the probable ninnies that might be in caned in the completion of the howes of parliament. The torus in which the paper would cows before the house would be this : it would state, in the Brat iwttance, the amount of the estimate ; it would Eats how much of the estimate had been expended, and how much remained to be expended. In the next place, it would state what additional expenses bad been incurred in consequence of its having been found necessary to lay the foundations of the houses deeper than wee contemplated in the contract—in point of fact they were nearly double the depth. It would next state what were the additional buildings, and the authorities by which the additional buildings w, re made which had added materially to the increased expense. There would be laid Wore the blouse a variety of othrr details of which it was absolutely necessary that the house should bo informed. If be were to state the gross amount it would give rite to a va riety of misrepresentation. As to the question whether the commission had any legal authority to sanction or to alter the amount of the estimates, he could state that teey were not able to enter upon them without the approval of the treasury. Mr. MO WATT asked whet steps had been taken as to the ventilation of the now house. Mr. GREENE said that the subject of ventilation was set tled before he became a commissioner. It was arranged that Dr. Reid should have the ventilation of the House of Com mons aed the adjoining lobbies ; be was not to have charge of the ventilation of the committee-rooms. PARLIAMENTARY REFORM. Sir J. WALMSLEY, in consequence of the indisposition of the hon. member for Montrose, postponed the hon. mem-1 tier's motion on the subject of parliamentary reform until the 6th of June. OUTBREAK IN CANADA. Mr. BERRIES took the opportunity of asking the noble lord whether he bad received any authentic information re specting the very grave events ',heels were represented, by the public papers, to have taken place in Canads, end whe ther he was prepared to lay that information on the table of the house ? He also took the liberty of asking, in reference to • question which he bad put on a former occasion, whe ther her Majesty's government were now in poressioo of ex tracts from the votes and proceedings of the legislative assem bly in Cassels relative to the bill of indemnity for the looms ens'ined by the rebellion in Canada ? He had asked this question before, and the noble lord had informed the house that he was net in possession of these votes and proceedings, and the answer was made in a manner conveying the inti mation that it wasnot usual to receive extracts of the votes and proceedings ed the legislature of Canada. It happened that ministen tad, by the command of her Majesty, laid on the table of the hones in more instaires than one, and in a very recent instance, an extract from the votes and proceed legs of the legislative usembly in Canada on the question of the navigation laws. lie therefore slated whether her Ma jesty's ministers were now in possession of extracts from the votes and proceedings of the legislative assembly of Canada on this subject ? Ms. ROEBUCK, before the noble lord answered that emotion, would ask another. The bill of indemnity for those who suffered losses in Canada was of necessity a money bill. Therefore Lord Elgin, be supposed, must have had instruc tions from the home government before any steps were taken in the parliament in Canada as to that bill, and there must have been a message from the governor-general to the houses of parliament giving them authority to enter into the I consideration of the measure. He asked the noble lord whether or not he was vgnisant of any instructions given to Lord Elgin to give the previous sanction to the motion to be made in parliament, thus showing that the government at home, and the superior government at Canada, sanctioned the indemnity to be given to these parties before the parlia ment of Canada could be put into operation. Lord J. RUSSELL—With respect to the very serious events that bad occurred at Montreal, he had to state, In answer to the first question of the right hon. gentleman, that a despatch had been received from the O reedier General of Canada, directed to the Secretary of State for the Colonies. That despatch was only received at 4 o'clock this day. He had not himself seen the despatch, but it was a public docu ment containing an account of the disturbances at Montreal, and there would be no objection to laying it immediately as the table of the house. With respect to the next question of the right hon. gentleman, and with regard likewise to the question of the hon. gentleman who bad spoken after the right hon. gentleman, he would only say, that Lord Elgin stated that it was his intention to write by the next mail a despatch, stating all the occurrences that bad relation to the bill of indemnity for lasses, and that despatch might be es pected by the next arrival in this country. Re did not think that he had sent home previously the extracts of pro 'seeding' of the Hones of Assembly, but he hoped those votes would be rteeived when the despatch was tent, and in that ease there would be no objection to laying the despatch and those proceedings before the house. Under thole circumstances, having the assurance of Lord Elgin that he was about to state all that had occurred, and the reasons that, in his opinion, judifiel him in *miming the responsibility which he assumed in the exercise of his func tions, he must decline entering further into this matter, or answering the question put to him by the hon. member for fibefil-Id. He thought it far better to wait until Lord Elgin had bad an opportunity of stating the ow, and he had had an opportunity of laving before the house the whole of what had occurred in Canada in respect to the avery serious matters. Mr. ROEBUCK had no Intention of imputing to Lord Merin, in asking the gesmiun, any deviation from the ord ers he had reed . He merely wanted to ask the cable lord whether he was cognisant 0' aay proceedings. Lord J. RUSSELL did not suppose that the bon. member moot to impute to Lord Elgin soy departure from his in etreetieas, but he thought it far better that the whole case should be reserved. Mr. DISRAELI said that the hon. member for Sheffield bad made an inquiry which, if he had sat in the house on the 22nd of March. he would not have made, because the Ueder-Secretary of State for the Colonies then used the fol lowing woe Kr. Hamm mid in answer to the firet question of the righ bon. trodhomm. he had to state that no instructions whatsoever were given to the nib brim the heed of the Canadian government with refer ees* to Me blrednillen el this bill, or in contemplation of any Bush mamma Mb (Mr. Masees's) noble friend (Lord Grey) had entire modamse In Om noble bed's (Lord Fawkes) inclement and dleceetion, end hiss net In the habit of giving him fostruetkas of that kind. With lewd to the 'sand qwaWn re of the right hon. gentlelrnis ( utY, who himself Owl the 'Mee ot sectary f otate or the Cooos, he Rawls) had te deb that he (Mr. cl o adetone) f would permit him to my, that all eisnisi laws--all colonial laws, he believed, waiv h er. ally—having gamed Womb their formal stages, end received te event of the einem through her Majesty's representative in the colony, OMB WO immediate operation, unless they contain a sus. That Wanes. That was a distinct answer to the hon. member for Shef field, and therefore it would be satisfactory clearly to under stand that information of so late a date as the 22nd March, given by a member of the government, was authentic. Mr. ROEBUCK, not seeing the hon. gentleman the Under•Seczetary of State for the Colonies in his place, sup posed he had not received a letter which he bad sent him some time ago. (Here Mr. Hawes entered the house and lea his writ.) He called the attention of his hon. friend to the painful eircusetances which had lately occurred in Montreal. Those circumstances originated in the consent given by the Governor General to a bill which was passed threugh the legislature of Canada for the remuneration of certain parties who had suffered losses during the late rebel lion. This, from the nature of the case, was a money bill. It must have come immediately and directly from the Canadian ministry, and they . mud have been commanded by the Governor. General to give their assent. The circum- Istances would not permit him to enter any further into the matter. lie di i not impute blame to anybody, for he should be more inclined to defend than impute blame, He wanted to know the exact stets of the circumstances: he wanted to know from his hon. friend opposite whether or no general instructions in the power of the Governor-General included a power to give, in her Majesty's name, consent to a money bill, and thereby on each particular occasion impose the responsibility on the Governor-General ; or whether there had been sent out from the Colonial-office, as was the ordinary case (and in so extraordinary a case as this he was right to suppose it was sent out from the Colonial-office), a power given to the Governor. General in her Majesty's name to command her ministry there acting in her name to go down to the Canadian Assembly, and say that she sanctioned the appropriation of money to the express purposes of the bill. At the proper time he should be able to explain how these circumstances happened. If the neble lord would an swer the question, he timid be satisfied as to whom the re sponsibility attached. Lord J. RUSSELL maid that the answer given on a former occasion was perfectly correct in point of fact Mr. HAWES said that he had received the note of the hon. member for Sheffield, and bad written an answer that he would communicate with the other members of the government. Sir 3. PAKINGTON asked whether government had re- 1 ceived a petition emanating from a large meeting at Mon- I Meal, to recall Lard Elgin, and to withhold the royal smut I to the indemnity bill. - He wished to ask whether any such petition had been received fr run Montreal, and whether any ' petition to the same effect had been received from other parts of the country ? Lori J. RUSSELL said that when he saw his noble friend in the morning, no itch petition bad been received — whether it had been received since he was not certain. Mr. BRIGHT said that perhaps the noble lord would be willing to inform the house whether government had re ceived such information as led them to hope the disturbance had been put down. He should be glad if such information could be given and come in a mor e authentic shape than the statement s the papers. Lord J. RUSSELL replied that Montreal was tranquil, and the provinces might be taken as tranquil, although meetings were being held. Mr. P. HOWARD asked the noble lord whether it was the intention of her Majesty's government to increase the faros in Canada by sending out the guards—(a laugh) — sod to strengthen the power of the executive in the provinces. Lord J. RUSSELL said that there was no necessity for reinforcements at this moment. He was told that the civil power in Montreal consisted of two constables, and those two constables were found sufficient. EMIGRATION FROM IRELAND. Mr. MONSELL, in pursuance of his notice, rose to call the attention of the house to th e question of e migration as connected with the interests of Ireland. He was aware of the difficulty of the subject, from the irksomeness which the house must feel on account of the constant recur rence of debates connected with Ireland, which did not end in producing any satisfactory or good result. To save the jime of the house, he would touch very slightly on the existing social state of Ireland. By the poor law returns it appeared that, while the support of a pauper in England cost 41. a year, in Ireland it cost only 11. • and yet there were so many claiming that miserable subsistence that the rate.payen were ground down in attempt: awed prises of loot week. sad but little boalsoot tIZOMIOVIII Fire 3 r she sod. mow so clutters. Wrest, sew. $4 9 - to 411 k • 40t. Hoag, 27.. to ale Mts. 16t. tons. Duos: 3M, tote es W. to 425. P . 31r. to 445. per qr. Irt..ar, 3641. to 36.. per mot. Tom, to. MA* 10e. Ma; 7e. 641. to Ts. 941. por babel _ _ 0113011-BALIIIBCIT. May 13.—We bad a Mir 1 queatity **ad today; tee trade was mantling dell, and easseely say sake s" elbetsd. Prime bad a downward Sidra sold fronal4 o . le 20s. ; Hall Coward, 40s. to rek i r i tlls, 625. to ;As ; rod SOatfelli. 40. to 64i. per cwt. - - CATTLE, &c. -- DEBBI' SMTISVILLD MASSIF, May IL—The number of tat Beasts to-day was considerably Ism Ilea has hem abate Christmas last ; hige p ic s were *eked for all sorts of Beef, and to 'deem btaised, bat with great rietudanee ea the Part of punks-err. The es* ef Sheep was geld, and excellent in quality, without sap (, t he mice. Fat and store Calves were *gain *mind, Beef. 644. to 61. Mutter, 6d. to 6d. Veal, 4d. to 6d. per lb. Last* 18s. to 11. 's laves/wok, May 16 —The supply of Beef, Mutton, and Lamb was melt the suss as last week. The ded dull ler Beef sad Iluttoe, at rather lower prime. Bat, 4 41 0. M 6td. Kenos, 6J. to 61d. Lamb, Ws. to 28e. 1,348 Besets sad 6,11611 Sheep at market. NSWCASTLIE 021-TY,III. Mar 15.—The market, thczik thinly supplied. war equal to the demand, and pricesa niseed last week's currencies. Beasts, inferior to prime. be. to 6s. 61. Some prime Heifers broupht 6s. She ep, clipped, stone. Sheep, dipped, 6d. ; wooled, 6 d. p er lb. rigs, from 6s. to 90. per stoat. SALSBURY, May 15.—The supply of Cattle this sondes 11111 short, thoseh neatly of a superior quality ; bat there hw perdurers to the market, thin was quite onsegh M supply immediate waste, sad a cleanses wee dhow& The Jahn of ear last warted were well maintolued. Good Oa Ora armed Pe. 6d to 10e. per score ; Cow and Heffer, Sa. as Tcete was a slight Wang off in the number of Illtsep, yetmaideraMy exceeded the wants of the buyers. ilas sale was dull, bat prices were not hirer. Coons inferior Nay sold 6d. persecond to quality, b 9id.d. ; and South er/tree, 61st. Lambe are selling at 81. We bad a mewl supply of Pigs, and the trade was animated. Dead Fly are sang from 7, &L to 8.. per score. Cane were lane in supp'y, with a fair Wide. Fat Veal is selling hos 6d. to 66.. per lb ; but small inferior Calves are selling from Es. to 6s. each. IMPEItLiL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF LORDIL—TVESDAY, MAY 15. , The Loan CIiANCILLOIL task his test at 6 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. SECOND READING. Esnaonmoor or Doddisgton Firth District Drainage Act Amendment (to a mend and ex- MBA th e powsn, to saner et her lands, to borvow mosey, mad to lavy rates or tams) Bill. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. AGRICULTURAL DIATRIAO.—Pigaricriorc—NAVIOLTIOX Lews —By the Earl of STRADBROKE (l 26). from plsola is Su ff olk ; Lord STANLEY, trom several place*: lesed UDR/MAUI, from Olford; the Rul of WI (13 3 ). frent various places lewd SONDES, from teve NCHILSEA. raI Maws in Rent ; Earl of WARWICK, from the county of Wareritk ; the Doke of RICHMOND, from ward plows; oemplidaing of agricultural dieters, praying for protection, Ice the repeal of the Malt Tax, sad against the eepeal dike Navigatios Laws. Pnovicitox or Won= Box.— By the Bishop of CASHEL, several in favour of this bill. Orags.—By the Bishop of NORWICH, from the Cor poration of Norwich, on the bubjeet of the administration of stutentesary oaths. RIOT IN CANADA. lewd STANLEY said that, seeing the noble lord the Se * rotary of the Colonies in his plan, be wished to put a nes boa to him. The news from Canada wee of so f csmidable and alarming • character, that he felt it his duty not to lose a moment in urertaising from her Majesty's government whether they bad received any farther onnation than that which had been coneeled to the public, and which he hoped was exaggerated, and whether the government IMO prepared to offer any esplauation of the state of affairs t xistiag in that colony, where it would appear that the discontent which had been produced by the measures of the government had at Let broken oat into absolute disaffection and revolt. It ap peared that the parliament house of Canada, in Montreal, had been consumed by fire; and at this moment it wee to be apprehended that there wee nese, in thine provisoes, the mat formidable of all wan—a Ir=r of races. (Rearj x le . wished to inquire whether the government had any i tion of the permit state of those uterine's. And be wadi repeat the question which he bad put to the noble serf some time slam, lamely, wtether, with regard to the particular measure which had led to this outrap.., be bad given any specific instructions as to the policy to be punned ? Be armed beg to remind the noble earl and the government that kr the consequences of that men ore, and the state of Canada, it was not the Earl of Elitin, but her Majesty's government, that must be held responsible, whether they bad given instructions to the gevernor- gen eral or loft him without : he wished to enter into no disewsion now, but confined Menetf en asking whether the Earl of Elgin had acted without instructions from her Major y's government ; and ia the next place, whether he had any esplanation to offer of the state in which those moat valuable pomade= of ..---...-------"--- _ Attars few WOWS heft Lord BROUGHAM. the subject log to provide it. Forme* acetate of things he saw no remedy ripern extended system of emigration. The subject was now for diacussion than when introduced by his noble friend, the member for Falkirk, because the districts could be ex actly indicated fur which relief was required. There were 42 districts in which the rates did not exceed 3.. in the pound. Fur them government lamination was unaecessary ; but there were about 30 others in which distress was not so general as in the west, but which would soon be so if some remedy of that kind were not tried. It might be said that emigration was already going on on an ex•ended scale. Granted ; but that emigra tion was the contrary of loeneficial to Ireland. It consisted of the middle classes, the employers of labour, who in leaving only left the help ess more helpless than before. (Hear.) The hoa. member proceeded to rue. some evidence taken before which em 'ration oommisaion of New York, the e ffect of which was to give to the Irish emigrants a high character for good unduer, industry, intelligence, and phjsical capabilities. Fi ty thousand Irish had, during last year, landed at New I York . but would it not have been better if the stream had been d ir e cted towards our own colonies, *here they would I have become consumers of our manufactures ? Looking at statistical accounts, he fouad that the foreign consumption of our manufactures wee—France Is. 61. per head, United , States Sc. 9d., North American colonies 395., West ladies 675., and Australia 150 s. a had (Hear, hear.) It was I therefore the interest of this country to promote colonial I emigration, although to the Irish themselves it war a matter lof small importance. In the United Stares there was a ready ' market for their labour, as there was no doubt that the country could absorb all the emigrants we might send fur many years. One gentleman with whom he was acquainted had given him his decided opinion that the demand for labour in the Stares would absorb half a million emigrants a year. But amongst our own colonies per haps none was more worthy of attention in reference to the subject of emigration than South Africa. There, bordering upon the territory inhabited by the Kaffirs, were many thousands of square miles of t ae most fertile land in the world, whereon cotton and indigo of the finest quality might be raised in abundance. When the extant of our cotton manufactures was considered, and it was recollected that at present we were almost wholly dependent on the Southern States of America for the raw material, the importance of colonising this territory and making it the means of protecting us from the failings from any cause of our present source of 'supply might be gathered. Added to this, by !eating a body of emigrants on these lands we should have the means of protecting the colony against the invasions of the Kaffir without the expense of main taining an army there. He would suggest that the same principle of colonisation should be adopted there as had been carried out with so much success in S oath Australia, where between the years 1836 and 1846 25,000 emigrants had been sent out, and 500,0001. worth of crown lands sold. The same number might be sent out to the Cape by the same means—the sale of the crown lande— d much less expense, and thus the calamity avoided of this country being at some time unable to find employment for the teeming populations of Lancashire and Yorkshire. With regard to the means of promoting emigration from Ireland, he proposed first that the several boards of guardians should he authorised to borrow money on the security of the rates —end secondly he proposed to enable the landed proprietors i to rails loans for the same purpose on the security of their estates—the money to be repaid by instalment , extending over five or seven years. Some di t.culty might be ex- perienced in obtaining the million or million and a half I which would probably be required to carry out a system of emieration in the way he sugorted in consequence of the government having preferred the rate in aid bill to the income tax; but in the rate in aid bill there was a provision for ass'atiag emigration. If the sum set apart for that purpose were capitalised with the understanding that at the expire ' lion of the bill, there should be some additional l aborite placed on Ireland for defraying the interest and principal, or the further sum which would be necessary, during the whole of the five or seven year?, the difficulty would be met and satisfaction given throughout Ireland. Without some such measure as he had proposed there was no chance of capital being attracted a Ireland. What was required in Ireland was the improvemeat of her social condi tion. The., he believed, the plan he suggested would go far to effect. lie left the matter in the hands of the govern ment and the house, and would conclude by moving an ad dress for copies of all despatch. a and instrucrions which had passed between the Colonial-office and the British colonies of North America, Australis, and South Africa on the subject of emigration during the year 18489. Mr. J. O'CONNELL moved u an amendment to substi tute the following: That emigration is, at the best, a partial, tardy, and most expen sive remedy for the evils of Ireland; and that it hi more immediately necessary at present to endeavour to cheek the Ibiastrous emigration of the farmers and small capitalists of that country by giving them security against wanton ejectment and loss of the fruits of tin ir in dustry and enterprise. rather than to stimulate their departure, or that of the labourers who would be employed by them,if such security were given. Butthst the most immediate and pressing object for this house to invader is, the f rig htful moue s of starvation, disease , and death, in Ireland ; the total baufacieney of local mauls, as wel l as of any assistance now Winded by the stare to arrest that progress; and the urgent necessity that exists for additional contributions from t he Oat. to save hundreds of thousands from perishing, and whole coun ties from being depopulated. He considered that we great difficulty the hon. gentleman would have to meet in carrying out his Van would be to raise the funds. (Hear.) For his part, he did not think they could take any number of the people of Ireland sod transfer them to one of our distant colonies —of course making tome kind of present provision for them on their arrival—under 201. a bead. This for 100,000 emigrants would amount to 2,000,0001. But suppose it could be done for 1,500.0001 , tbe house prepared to advance that sum ftr the purpose of sending 100,000 able-bodied labourers out of Ireland ? If parliament was disposed to advance the money, for better would it be to employ it in keeping the labourers and farmers who would avail themselves of it at home to bring the land into a better state of cultivation, and increase the produce there. Then he objected to state emigration, as interfering with voluntary emigration. With regard to the paupers, they were not fit to emigrate—they were so reduced be famine, that they were unlike human beings, and realised Spenser's description—they were " walking spectres, and crying ghats." The farmers wbo still pos sessed a little capital , were not anxious to emigrate, but would be willing to spend that capital in the improvement of their holdings, and the employment of labour, it they had security of tenure. The mere announcement of the inten tion on the part of government to propose a measure for defining and improving the relations between landlord and te nant would have en immediate beneficial effect in Ireland. His hon. friend (Mr. Monsell) had quoted extracts to show the MONA attending the efforts of Individual landlords in the matter of emigration, but the old rule of not arguing from a particular to a universal held good in the present case. Par tial instances of success no doubt existed, but it was not so clear thatthe emigrants had been invariably prosperous in dis tant lands. He was ready to believe that there had been many eases in which landlords had promoted emigration in a most humane and ger mous spirit ; but still these were but partial instances. His hon. friend had proposed no specific plan, but wished to urge the project on the attention of the go vernment. The cost, however, of such a project would be enormous ; and if the necessary sum could be had from the public funds, it would be far better to spend it at home in the beneficial employment of the population. After quoting from the oft-repeated statistics of Irish distress, the honour able member went on to say, if the present poor-rates I were insufficient to preserve life, how could the house hope Ito raise an increased rate for purposes of emigration ? He hoped they would not lull themselves with the hope that they already done wonders in having made grants to save life. He admitted they had done something, but they were not released from further responsibility. They must adopt other measures instantly. lie was precluded by the forme from moving the appointment of a committee of the whole house ; but unless they deliberately said that they would carry out those accursed economic doctrines which men calling themselves Christians have dared to utter in the face of day, that the people of Ireland should be allowed to starve, they ought to consider at once what measures ought to be adopted, for what they had already done was fading, and the ppeeople were perishing by wholesale. The Society of Friends had depicted the state of the country generally in their report. They had shown that class after class was sinking, and that all dames would be swamped in one common vortex. Something, then, ought to be done to arrest this downward progress—something which had not yet been tried—something which no land im provement bill could ever n itself effect. He alleged that one single remedy would answer, and that a combina tion of remedies was necessary to meet the exigencies of the case. He bad a remedy of his own, which was not by any meaner, thoroughly revolutionary as these propounded by the right hon. baronet the member for Tamworth and the government. He contended that in the first place they bad a right to demand that every man who derived an income from the soil of Ireland ought to reside in that country to discharge his duty by that soil. Absentees were like dilute who deserted a ship or an army, and they ought to be made to return home, at least for a while, to support the poverty of the land, and to take counsel for the people. Then, there ought to be a measure to give security to the tenant fanner, to encourage him to stay at home with his capital, to ex pend that capital on the soil, and thereby to give employ ment ; and after this measure was adopted, there was no objection that the land improvement and drainage plan of the hon. gentleman the Solicitor-General should be carried out. Then, let a committee of the leading end most influen tial members of the house be delegated to go over to Ireland, themselves to look into the condition of that country, to examine into its state, to see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and then to come back full of information, pre pared to legislate with a knowledge of the country and its requirements. (Hear, hear.) Mr. MOORE said it gave him great pain to see the county of Limerick, which had sent the hon. member (Mr. Idonsell) to propose the present motion, also sending the bon. member (Mr. O'Connell) to counteract, to neutralise, and to frustrate, the intentions of that resolution. lie felt considerable embarrassment respecting the manner in which he should treat the amendment, The only thing to be considered was how the house could assist those who were determined to emigrate. To adopt measures for preventing ejectment with the view of thereby pre venting emigration would be as futile as to tell soldiers, in order to prevent desertion in California, that desertion would not incur dismissal from the army. If something were not dons beyond out-door relief, they would only be helping thousands on their journey to the grave. Sir G. GREY said that the question brought forward by the hon. member for Limerick was well deserv:ng of the consideration of the house, and be should be ex tremely sorry that any thing should fall from him tending to undervalue emigration from Ireland. There were doubtless parts of Ireland where oongestions of the population, to adopt the phrase of the hon. gentleman, might be relieved without entering into the general minor details of the question, because it was evidently impossible to dif fuse that excess of population over other districts. One of the speediest remedies for that would be partial emigration, thenes i t e h i t e y re o f f i re LttNcoiamo t o. h rthg o opt u tutut g nAk h tm t .otafe th rilithpe a cei t riot: h tsiout i .. i udco h no in utdvhleda . oriv f o ri i ; tet d dbhin t eet h hsil i em :n odpdff "i ettt r t :w itiboair s e:. whisk emigration, and dealt ra :w th lnghuovuno e enof r oeldilpt,tiiethis s u lmeessnfoe n orta t f a ,ydtr i hyeee r rinler l utnu y eivth:g rezatbhrwmtoit.ih p ortion ne,pap s e silit.hu iahori.. v t anow h teh e yreerpe h wal o i n cil: . :e m imirsoar e gy m nsh be rb : :iiis f orn o ne r gon t : h .: : county of Limerick, wbeirinia said that emigration, instead of benefiting Ireland, i Sew -- evils on tha t ooldar toc fu hie m tah e ye rs having capital. Last year, 260,000 thaprthe. persons , ti n l c 1 prospect ee i t eif - az re those who embarked at Liverp ool , nine-tenths of wheel f nees least ve were were Irish, might be said to have emigrated from Ireland • and rhar i;e nithelreland. made i Tst ibu r h e yo t euiyot months etudrtme ruices state of disease, and without ") thatti e e n future. e:ho hitg That n as p t rlo sufficed it to loydagni g less than 500,0001. had been remitted from Anew by Irish emigrants, the produce of their industry, foe the purpose of enabling friends they left after them in Inlaid to follow. That form of emigration was perfectly unelles. tionable, and, to some extent, directly nerved the centre, because a good deal of the money so remitted was spent is Ireland in fitting out the emigrating parties. The Se e member for the city of Limerick stated the expense of wt. grating per head at much beyond the mark. He (flit Grey) thought he might safely divide the amount he mama by 4, and say 51. a head. (Hear.) With regard to the precise r otionofthe hon. member for the county of Limerick, that increased power should be given to the burets of gelatine is advance money out of the rates, or out of money borrowed em the security of the rates, for the purposes of emigration, I he could only enure the hon. gentleman that, on the part d I the government, there existed every disposition to nein such a proposition ; particularly as he understood that the hon. gentleman stated, from his own knowledge, that penes in Ireland were ready to advance money on the security d the rates for promoting emigration. If, in the proms d the amended Poor Law Bill, any proposal of that kind could be embodied in the bill or engrafted on it, the government would be prepared so to do. It was no new proposal, and was, in fact, only an extension of rowen thee were already in existence under 1 & 2 Vice, c. 28, by which the commissioners of poor laws were enabled to direct 'Lettings of ratepayers to consider the propriety d raising the rate, not exceeding Is. on the valuation, far Wire gestic's to British colonies; and also of 6 & 7 Viet., c 81, tor assisting paupers and destitute persona to emigrate. But those provisions were practically inoperative for in 1848 only 27 persons emigrated under the Ink and 67 under the second. If the hon. gentian, with his experience and knowledge of the subject, could mg. gest any practical amendment in the existing poor lee, giving larger powers to the boards of guardians, he (Sir (i. Grey) would ba happy to sea his intentions and wine carried out. The difficulty would be in obtaining the cessary security : but he could not coorent to a messere that • , would be likely to divert any portion of the money to be ad ' vaned by parliament for drainage and otter improvement from those objects to that of emigrarioa; because Oar would be withdrawn g it from a profitable application of it. The hon. gentleman said that the responntility of the dine= in Ireland rested upon parliament. lie (Sir G. Grey) must protest against the doctrine of parliament being eel, to prevent a famine arising from natural causes, or by say sudden or single step to check its consequences. A hem amount of money had beets advanced by the governmin and by private contributors, by which a large amount tin distress had been relieved ; but it was too much to neat because misery, and starvation, and distress still existeshnt money had been thrown away. Mr. J. O'CONNELL.—I did not say that. Sir G. GREY said the hon. gentleman certainly overland the number of persons who had been relieved by thus contributions, and called upon the government to make fec ther advances. The government were still making adman to alleviate the distress when it was severe, and were SWUM vouriog, by . ether measures, to prevent it spreading, sag provide against its recurrence. the right non. baron, having referred to the exertions made in Ireland ern. much SUOMI by the Society of Friends, expres.ed his rein that an indisposition to follow their exarrp`e had been dun in so many quarters, and his hope that all parties, hien tributing to the extent of their means, would aid (min an effort undoubtedly would aid) in greatly mitigating thl distress which unhappily continued to prevail its Wen (Hear, hear.) Mr. J. O'CONNELL said the right hon. baronet had .is. understood him in supposing he had said th:d the mosey contributed had been thrown away. Ile, on the contrary, admitted it had done much good ; but he conceived it to he wholly inadequate to the occasion. Mr. E. B. ROCHE believed the propcsol of the hos. gentleman (Mr. Moneell), as explained by the right hon. baronet, to be a practical delusion. He was inclined 1) think, with his hon. friend (Mr. O'Ceneell) that ha expense of emigration would be 201. a head. They might possibly find a few individuals who might be sent to cor colonies forif they meant emigration t 3 b.: carried on upon a large scale, so as to produce an effect upon the present state of Ireland, then they must be prepared net only to send them to the colonies, but have some amuse merits made for them on their arrival. It would not suffice to sweep the workhouses of Ireland and fling their contest wholesale upon another country. In fact, to do ay good, there must be colonisation as well as emigration. With the landlords and farmers bankrupt and the pow starving, what would be the benefit of any partial system of emigration? Though the harvest prospects wets goodie the south, the distress of the labouring population there en greater than he ever remembered it ; the workhouses were crowded, so that a frightful epidemic had broken out. lie lees some means were adopted to give employment to tha able-bodied poor, Mr. Twill. ton's prophecy would bets) filled, and the legislature would be a party to the ruin cis great nation. One thing recommended an the amendment, the security of tenure, was absolutely necessary. (Hear, hear.) Much was said of the want of capital in Ireland; and no wonder, when there was no security of tenure. (Hear.) Though the landlords were now preen& to do their duty, they bad neglected it heretoftre by re solving in a body not to give lessee to catholic tenant. (Heir, hear.) The only class now in Ireland who had espied was the working farmers. Give them recurity, and inns them to lay out their capital on the land, atbey maid) much, though not all, fir the welfare of th e couetry. A message from the Lords here brought down the run of the proceedings in the cue of Mr. B. O'Brien and others. Mr. F. O'CONNOR said the proposition of the befi member for Limerick very much reminded bite of the prat. tics adopted by some persons to get rid of an old dog— that of sending him oat to get lost. Last year he had foretold the deficient harvest, and said that Canada would be lost. The one prediction had been verified, the other was on the eve of fulfilment ; and it Ireland wen lost too, it would be the fault of the English and Irish bade lords. After musing coercion bills, and taking away theist remnant of the constitution, could they suppose the people would lie down and die ? It would be well it Inlander not lout to this country within a twelvemonth. He wen tell the manufacturers that Ireland might have been ludo a better customer than all our colonies put togethre; but the landlords, and the government by penile ling them to do so, had destroyed her both se a consumer and a producer. The present degradable of Ireland was owing, more than anything else, to that fetal s e y x s o t i e t m em o e f ot . agitation tthoo w t h d ich ite h oti ad og kep a t thtoe anycou (Hear,l l w o o w l a d b h a an a r t e4)do. impossible roe. foria r a ! ° them He I t h e a tott h a t p wouldto t on ne preserve n t e l Ireland,nminister' countr y valuable agitationi atodthat°tatal'idise4. cult to preserve England, amidst the storms and man prevailing in every country of Europe, if they did not trend the landlords to do their duty to the people. It was mi streats to see such men coming down end opposing a rats it aid, when they would not stir one step in a right B r a ts for relieving the distresses of the country. (Hear.) Irona had been, might be, and yet would be a great country; bet not under the rule of her present landlords. Were ander compelled to do their duty there would be m trek less of complaint. He regretted that the rate in aid, which he had supported in every stage, had not bees five shillings, instead of sixpence ; that would have been asap towards compelling the landlords to do their duty. Ilea" anticipate much benefit from the Incumbered Estates Bill, for neither the landlords nor the mortgagees would context to s Bir J ell.. Y own acco u U , h r d plain! jothwedh.ovni.rygtehnit.l,eamthana, abledorocedingunra bf 4 the last four yean ; but if he were a prophet, he had Cll. tainly never been believed in his own country. flought °l 2 He (Bir John) denied that the evils of Ireland were at attributable to free trade ; instead of an injury, it had been a great teneflt to Ireland, more than to any other part of tbs empire. (Hear, bear.) Nevertheless, the county he represented (Cavan) was in a state of the goes distress; but this was mainly attributable to the loss of the potato, many of the farmers having lot three-fourths of their produce. The evil had been acre voted by the commercial depresaion in this country, and bf the disturbed state of the continent. The distress of Cana had not been caused by the poor laws; the rates, varying from 3s. to 45., had been paid ; and the buen was not very heavy. The proportion of agricultural labourers throughout ths county was os one to every nine acres, and as one to seven in some distzicts, while in England it was as one to every 33 cultivated acres. Now,. though he believed that the landlords generally were anxious to give employment to the people, so as to prevent them from going into the work house, it was totally out of their power to do so, the number o f labourers being so great in proportion to the means of giving them employment. They therefore looked to emigra tion as the best, the surest and almost the only resource is the present condition of Ireland. He had confidence in the energies of the people of Ireland. Ile thought Out education should he promoted by all means, that they should elevate the moral standard of the jeople, that they should leave industry free and unfettered. (Hear, hear.) By these means, he was perfectly confident, the people ef Ireland would right themselves sooner, and better, and more effec tually, than could be done through the interpositionof either landlords or the government. (Cheers.) r Mr. SCULLY considered that emigration was a unless measure for Ireland as long as so much unproductive land remained at home which was capable of being brought into cultivation. Mr. BOURNE believed that the question of emigration was of paramount importance to the people of Irelsnd. It was a mistake to suppose that the boards ot guardians would not be able to raise money on the security of t hem of e rates for the purpose of promoting emigration. kits e xper parties who bad money to lend was quite the contrary. It memed surprising to him that there should be such disparity in the statements respecting the cost of emigration. Ile be lieved that the emigration from Ireland had cost under 51. a head, and that the noble lord, ~the Secretary for Foreign to imp lon t" ..auk thought to'its full He Pk $ cam= had take , every the 'ti' the seem The nue Welts II rare • oalz ie mule U ! g ra these and they In The int% totally at titions of thrown their' br of sot p'. society.. 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