The Express. — London, England, 1849-06-06 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—TOESDAT, JUNE 6. Tba Earl of SEAVTILIIIVILT (D put, Speaker) took Ids seat at 6 °Week. PRIVATE BUSINESS. SECOND READING.— Bays olao' &tat* BM. THIRD READINGS - r Tay Norigetion rod Ferther H bals Acts Aromisiest ; "Raiworwroor or Doddirgtos Fifth Thieriot Droineso Act Ameadsent (to amend sod 'stead the powers, to aaaaa other lands, to borrow Iwo' sy, sad to boy rates or Nita); Kirkcaldy Harbour, Docks, Forty, sad Bevy Customs ; BILL PUBLIC BUSINESS. FIRST RB &DINO —I membered &states (Ireland) BilL Ell-COMMITTAL —Bankrupt Lily Consolidation REPORT.—Lsesehold Tenors of Lead (Ireland) Bill, THIRD RlLADlNG.—Appreheasioa of Deader' (Pee. tap!) Bill. PETITIONS PRESENTED. COUNTY Cocars.—Be the Eul .1 STRAFFORD, fres Chichewa. t.r an exhanion of the jurisdiction of these courts. AnareerrunaL DOTIRIAA.—By Eal STANROPE, seve ral, (rose vsr one plus, complaining of agricultural Metres and praying fee relic(. BANKRCPTCY Law Coirsounason BILL.—Bp Lord CAMPBELL, from Oiesgon ; L rd BROUGHAM, frt.= the loadon Are xdatfion, and o.ner rate.. io ibs metropolis, and free 8 Vold, Piposooth, Crenuy, Dudley, ant other glass, in Giros of this bill. BANKRUPT LAW CONeOLIDATION BILL. Lord BROUGHAM, cm moving the nag .samotassetenkis bill, add it had been, moored early last week., cord ea- Meted a digest et the bankrupt law, as well M ane repeal Mall o n o di e Laws. It seesedly *masted of mprove meat. The diges' c maturated the whole law, but the mete on ale) contained acme mat important improvement% such Si the skarlifying and extending of the sets of bankniptcy— trnabSag creditors with greater futility to main a debtor a bankrupt. It also emit tined some praviai.ms to ;meant an due prefira nes belie given to ereditors—to family coasee time and others. Then was further an improvement la the jurisdietio• of bankruptcy. The Marquia of LANSDOWNE felt guit satin action in hew irg from the no' , le and learned lord that he bad made amendments i.t the bill, wide% did not affect its spirit, but which would insure fee it the supra , it of true noble and !turret lord on the wool-ask, and the bet and mat learned au . bailie s of the Lad.' Be thought the bill would be a great social r lons, and that It would effect a treat benefit to the tOntlielreial and trailer classes of the community. Lord WHARNCLIFFE supporta the bill. There would be a seeing by ilia bill of 12,0001. a year, besides other meet important Improvements. Lord CAMPBRLL thought the bill won'il w t • 0011111411111 - hie improvement in the abatis bankrupt la. Lad BROUGHAM bad omitted to state ea important matter. The old law gave the eomminianer Ow power of rawsraiag impriaonssent fur a year. Tn. statemest of a brakrupt was not voluntary, fir be eat animated if he would not answer, and a jury had therefore been suggested before he eheald be committed, is order to take the power of criminal pasishmout out of tee hands of a judge—a riagla individest This, how. Ter, had ea overruled, and it was mow a provision of the bill that the punishment shouli he the retail of protection and tail certitiate, mead of impri- Raiment, and that this should be limited to a certain time. Oa the motion of Loral Bterroitaat the bill was then re tommUted. CANADA. Lord BROUGHAM rei it had ben reported, with rs- Samoa to the Rebellion L sees B 11, that it was at tint pro reed to tempt all who had been engaged in the rebellim from ernapeseatima, bet that the government had eoaflaed the exception tops IMMO who had he n found guilty, and to others who had auhmitsed them elves to be transported. He ehonl.l like to know whett.er this statement was wtll banded ? Earl GREY said the whole of the information which he bad offici dlf renal,, d was on the tah'e of the haste. What ever he knew mote war derive! from the perusal of the de bates in the House of Assembly in the C tnadian twerps:ten, and that information was egutlly accenible to the noble and learned lard. Lord BROUGHAM—There has been no oft vial comma- isiestioeoWthe subject. Earl GREY said the information he had received on the subject had been derived from newspaper containing the debates, which had b.ea sent him by Lord Elgin. Lord BROUGHAM—Theteby adopting the reset& DENMARK AND THE DUCHIES. Lord BROUGHAM hoped throe was a neer Pnefect of the termination of that unhappy and diteredimble opposition which now proemial Imagoes D insatrk and the Duchies or Schleswig and Hoistole. He had great respect for the Kim; of Prussia, bet be always nndere'ooet that his corded had been dictated by a feeling of deference t s the Frankfort As sembly; and he hoped he would abstain further hostilities against Denmark. (Hear, bear.) But if be did not, he trusted that the Ii Romeo si this country, and her allies would be exerted to bring about such a desirable consummation. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE entertained hopes that an amicable arrangement would be mate; but b-yond that he had no power to give any further answer. The efforts of this country and of the allsee of Denmark end the Duchies to procure such arrangement hit been unremitting —(hear, hear)—and the bope of Weir leading to • sue cessful termination had lately inermard. (Hear, hear.) LEASEHOLD TENURE BILL. Of' LANDS (IRELAND) Lord CAMPBELL moved that the report on this bill be received. The Earl of LUCAN moved as an amendment that it be referred to a select committee. His objections applied not only to the hill itself but to all ire mad hinery. 0. e of the provisions contained in it was that the a mint should appeal by petiiina to the Lard Chancellor. The result of course. wool I be a infamies to MO f the mash is, which would be brought to a 0011011402 nobody caul I till when. Lord CAMPBELL felt it incumbent up ai him to oppose the propoel lin of the noble earl. The bid had been intro duced by the Lord Chancellor on the 7th of April, when it was read a first time. Upon the 10 It his lordship gave notice for the second reading on the 26.11 of April, when it was read a mooed time, and ordered to be committed on the 10th of May. Oa the 10th of May, when the bill was com mitted, it was ordered to be reported upon the 24th. It was further postponed for a day or two, and there was no doubt it would have long bribe* this passed the third read ing, and it wool I have been sly t to the other house had it not be:n for the illness of the Lerd Chancellor. There wee no extraordinary haste in parsing the measure, and the noble esti who now stated he we. opposed to its principle and machinery had had certainly many oppottunkiee to express his views, and take their lor d ships opinion upon the subject without resorting to 'be warm he now adopted. Lord MON IHAOLE (who spoke from one of the cross benches, and was almost inaudible) apprehended that many cases of hardship were likely to arise Irom the provisions of the bill. lie did not acquiesce in the promaition for a re• ferenee to a select committee. Lord CAMPBELL had the Miami confidence in the sin cerity of the protrusions of the nob!" lord in femur of the bill ; but he should still resist the recommittal of the bill, as it would lead to no possible use. The Earl of DEVON said that the principle of the bill had never yet been fully discussed by their lordihipe. He was not aware that the evils propose i to he renr died or the principles involved were at all sufficiently discussed or even known. In his opinion the reference to • select committee might be attended with some advantage. Lend REDESDALE cionectod the statement made by the noble lord who last addressed the how., and said that the qua tioninyolved lathe bill bade yet been fully diecameLree fact that was there was • very considerable diseemina upon the secoad reading of the bill; but it should be admitted that =pay thing. not then adverted to had bees glace dis closed. Lord OLENOALL said it waseididabg Mbar of as immense quantity of property in Imbed dab wood to affected by that bill. He wee in lamer eftbe peopeoltion to refer the matter to the paled sommitta The Earl of WICKLOW mid that though he would not exactly oppose the refembei el the bill to • select committee, yet he must my that he ad not hear one argument of any weight in favour of their lordships ad ring each a course. He thought it desirable Adak bill should pass, inasmuch as he filt that it would toad to improve tenure in Ireland. he Earl of LUCAN withdrew his amendment. The report was thee agreed to, and next Friday was fixed for the third reading of the bill CRIMINAL STATISTICS. --- - - - Thallansis al LANSDOWNE litif - on the table Midas Is Mobil Aida*, in Sandead, and Wake. DISTRESSED UNIONS IN IRELAND. Thu Nut t ed' of LANSDOWNE ale, 1414 on the table returns of the amount of aid afforded to distressed anions in the West of Ireland. Their Lordships then adjourned at a quarter to eight o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS—TUESDAY, JUNE 5. TM &MALIN took the chair at 4 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. REPORT CONSlDERED.—Lsocasbire and Yorkshire sad London and North Weems Cmapanies (transfer of interest is the Prestos and Wyrit Railway Harbour and Thick, and regulating the *anapaest of the undertaking) Bill. THIRD RE ADlNCL—Ediabsrgh and Northers Railway (formation of slip quay and other works at Granton, exten sion of station at Edinburrh, regulation of Perth stations, and amendment of act-) Bill. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PEI rioNs PRESEN TED. PAILIAXWNTAII T T ELZPOIIIt.-By Capt. PECHELL, from Briehtem ; Mr. HENLEY, (rota public mewing in Oxford— /sr as satiation of the franchise, annual parliaments, rota by ballet, payment of members, and equal electoral districts. NATIONAL POOll-NATIL-By Mr. HENLEY, from Wa llop:la, Own, in favour of a national poor-rate. Pacascran Den on Possum Coax.—By Mr. CHRIS TOPHER, from .SM/simulate of Lincolnshire Mr. CAY LEY, from plates in the North and West Riding of Yorkshire, in faros: of this repetition. MAARIAONS BILL.—By Mr. J. S. WORTLEY, from la favour of this bill. NIANAOIDUIPT OP TEN PUBLIC DIBT.-By Sir D. L. EVANS, from 2,000 military pessimism, pesetas for arrears of allowances diminished by the management the public debt. Ponca (SCOTLAND) BILL —Br Sir H. DAVY, from places is Soothuid, tor die postposossent of skit bill. Aosicrvros.sr. DISTILIAIL—BT Mr. CAYLEY, from placate in the North sad West Abhor of Yorkshire, cogs cialoiag of agricultural distress, sad praying for relief. NOTICE OF MOTION.—Sin J. Faassum's BIPIDI. rsom—Sir H. H. Ixous, on Thursday next. to esll the at tention of the Noose to the eoaduct of the Antrim rovers meat with raferesai to this expodition. IRISH POOR LAW. Is reply to a quells from Mr. FilliNCH, Bir J YOUNG,' as 4/airtima of the committee appointed to inquire into the 'rotting of the poor law in Ireland, stated that It Wal not the intention of the committee to exclude any kind of evidence tending to throw light upon the sub ject; nether evidence which tended to show that the sof =and death under the poor law had exceeded what have taken place in eon% queue. of the !amino had no cod kw existed, nor evidence tending to show the sadesiog iddell had arisen from the want of propel control oa pet of tle poor law commiesioners over the medical charities of Ireland. THE IRISH POOR LAW.—CANADA. Lad J. RUSSELL said, that having been asked, both in }NMI and in private, on what day he proposer to go into fellanittee on the Irish poor law, he bad now to state that MINA made arrangements for going into committee es the fires badmen on Friday neat. and as the rght hon. gotte n= the iminaber for the University of Oxford wished to aid deeseeention of the house to the affairs of Canada, he level/ wagon to him as the moat convenient course the poolgammillat of kb resolution until Thursday week. Kr. GLADSTONE said the erring. mint euggeeted wadi omit him ' but to he sesurneal that not hie g would WAIN in the taut, to prejudice the question to which his obsterea time would relate. (Laughter.) Lord J. RUSSELL could only undertake that nothing should be dons by the government to et nfirtn the act whit* lad been dime. PARLIAMENTARY REFORM. Mr. HUME then rose to introomes the motioa on this sub ject of which he had given notice. He said that in addrese tog himself to this important subject be must be; the indul gence of the house, as head not feel altogether in a situation to introduce the question in the manner that he could desire. (Cheers) As an old reformer, addressing a reformed House of parliament, he could declare from experience how unmet's favory it had generally been to address parliament on the subject of robrm. He had scarcely ever known an ex cepuon, except when the question had b3en made a party ear, and there had been a strugele between the two great volitive' bodies in the country. Then, ind- tad, the question had brought a full house; but en other eat alone, when private membeta had introduced the subject, it ha d been treatel as one irop portune In paint of time, and unfit for consideratio . (Hear, hear.) He had taken his full share in the reforms effected in 1831 and 1832, and no man had been more happy than he had been to see those reforms carried out. He looked back with satisfaction to the great reform effected at that period on the proposal of men who were anxious to promote the welfare of the country ; and he believed that the effect hid been to place this country in the enviable situation in which she now was as compared with the rest of the world. It was not that he under valued what was eon* by the first reform parliament. He was not one of those who said that the reform effected at that period was a fallacy. It did not, indeed, lead to all that he and others, who were enxinus on the sufject, had bees mogul's enough to expect. apt, as they were, perhaps hastily to imagine, that etwiety would be 'mote !tarty moulded by their owe. opinions; but it had, at any rate, put an end to the disgraceful boy eugh-mongerit g which pre viously @slatted ; sod he believed that the opinion now pre vailed very generally amongst them who were once opposed to ramie, that it had been productive of greet goad to sodety, sad had prevented insay unhappy cullitiuns. It was Lennie be saw that reform had not been carried out to the extent that he had anticipated, aed be oust he saw danger in refusing that which he considered • right be longing to the mass of the community. Oa tht se grounds it was that he then presented himself, most unwillingly, to the house. He had stated last session, when the motion which he brought forward was rejected, that so I nag as be remained in that house no session should pots without wit nessing his humble individual efforts to tormede the house is adopt further reforms. It might be thought imp:oper in say individual to appear to dictate tuck changes as he con templated in his action, but unless some one would come forward and propose what he believed would prove ber.eficial to the country no amelioration could take place. The house wasgenerally slow in all its proceedinr, sad, of course, be would not env that it was better to be slow acd sure than through being rapid and inconsiderate, to run tae risk of having to retreat. Ho knew that parliament had for a long period been used in this country, not as an engine to pro mote the welfare of the community, but as an engine to extract from the community a Lager amount of taxation than could be obtained by any other means; but he hep xl that parlia ment would go along with him in carrying out such mutters as were essential to the national welfare. He felt benud to say that experience had 'oozed upon him the conviction that the reformed parliament was not in the situation that some former parliaments had been. It was no linger is the power of any aristocracy, any oligarchy, or any class, as it formerly was, to dictate to the sovereign and tempt the sovereign to do whatever they desired. It was no longer in the power of individuals pos sessing seven, eight, or nine boroughs, to send men to that house, not to carry out measures for the g ad of the whole c immunity, but to pass measures for their ovr. benefit. (Hear, hear.) Up to the passing of the &dorm Bill the sove reigns of this country ware in the lealing-strings of the aristocracy, and the revenue and expendture of the country were managed with a view to individual interests, or the in terests of aches, instead of those of society at large. He maintained that unless parliament could do in that respect what it purported to do, the whole representation of the country was defective; and though he did not my that the adoption of any proposition of has own would make paths. mint perfect, yet he must say that if injustice and ine quality could b 3 removed, they should not be perpetuated. Ministers had taken an oath that they would promote and supp in mcuur. s which would canduce to the welfare of the .mmunity. lie would leave it to them, if they ever re flected when they laid their heads on tneir pillows, to say whether parliament was in a condition which admitted of no improvement. He left it to them to say whether or not they were acting as honest sod faithful coutuel lore of the crown in allowing a state of dis content to continue, which was so great that at times tt threatened, as, for example, on a recent occasion, the most alarming consequences. He recollected that on an eweasi no when a motion for reform was brought forward by one of the then members for Westminst. r Mr. Canning stood forward boldly and said, " I take my st and against all reforms; I am ler rotten boroughs—(laughter)—l wish to maintain them, because this country has enjoyed greater prosperity during th. it existence than the continental coun tries. But," he a Lied, "I go further. I have ever been ready to mut the circumstances of the times, and to adept the laws arid ordinances of the country to the require ments of the period, though, so long as I see reason to do so, I will defend Gattcn and Old. Sarum." Gatton and Old Sarum were, however, now re moved, and the own , was, it must Le admitted, in a newel position. At the period when the representation was most detective the country stood at the top of the ladder in com parison with other coantriee, and no continental nation could say that it had at that time a more popular representa tion than existed in England. The times were changed, however, elsewhere, and they should now consider whether they ought not, in the words of Mr. Canning, to adapt themselves to the changes which had taken place. What bad been done of late by the noble lord (Lord J. Russ3ll) When his hon. friend the member for Finsbury proposed to meal the taiepming clauses, be believed in the year 1847, the noble lord r. ad him a lecture on the danger of inter fering with the R form Bill, declaring that he wished for a little wore experience of the working of that bill, and that be was in favour of progressive reform. The noble lord's own progressive reform consisted in proposing to meg *0 tax-paying elausseso far as the asseseed t +its were ceoeuoed. In like manner, when the Secretary for Ireland proposed a bill to improve the Irish reestration, the noble lord and ealleares were such ardent reformers, that they' diomell the bill to be forgotten He had come to the alledilliagi that they had now made up their mho is stand fast and do nothing. The question, then, woe ehalher they were to remain in their present situation. He isipateed that the time had pawed when the sovereign of tact ossantry Meld trust her people, and when no military MN MOO* to keep them in subjection. See what was Milletellat. Then about 25,000, sometimes less, formed She mirk military establishment of the United Rimiest. The noble lord the Secretary of State for the Foreign De nt declared that he wanted no India aid it rrateenal yeessetion of the coun ry t, that he weasel as Wab In this emealey as a nursery from whisk to Newly our ealeelte Het the government of this aonatry, Weed el sagaelag in the love and affection of the mamas of the peogio, rafeeed them their constitudomal dale s end UMW Uttar the injury by moans of mighisy - tam Wee it right. awe a 80 years' peace, that lailead sheald proseat the somearasse of a garrison, wish bayaseb and artillery - planted at every point Aid why woe it so? It all arose from the feu of reform. Re admitted that there were ardent and wild reformers, as there were ardent and wild men in every other capacity; but that was no reason why they should not take into oonaideration calmly and quietly whether the cause which led to the keeping up of this great military establishment, which was weighing down the country, might not now be prudently removed. In 1792 the whole taxation of the country was only 18,000,01:01., 9,000,0001. of which paid the interest of the national debt, 8,000,0001., the expenses of our military esti- I blishment, and 4000,0001. formed the civil fund. Then 18.000,000 i. paid for what was now costing us ne w 80,000,0001., so that we were now subjected to almost l quadraple the amount of taxation we paid in 1792. He did not blame any living individual for the enormous addi tion which had been made to the national debt moos that period. He blamed only that oligarchical system whiela drove the country into an aggressive proceed log against Fromm and which was still preying upon the vitals of this count ry. Surelit was time to check that ernes" which had involved us In mush an extravagant expen diture. He was aware that many thought it was enough to demand financial reform, saying that they would rather not Ws themselves up with political matters ; but the (imam of elestry formed one of its most important political subjects. It 11.8 idle, therefore, to abstain from urging other metiers' lemieso of their political character. Thom who wished for amodel reform must first try and bring the members of that beaus to their proper level, so that the influence of their empetive constituent:lee may be felt in it. He addressed Wesel( particu'arly to those members who represented the Math, where the labourer was so badly paid, and coup ipsetly so discontented, and he asked them how they could aspect allegiance to the state or respect for property from mss so c i rcumstanced? He, as a conservative, was THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, JUNE 6, 1849. &affirms to provost say of those sudden changes which spnurg from sash a state by a timely concession ashes* privileges to which ttse Eple were sa nded. He would tat them what he p He was may he was not in the house when the owl estimates were he lm it, involving as they did an expenditure of nearly 4,000,00 W. If he had beet prang he would have celled upon them to look back to the causes et the immense charges of the present establishment ant asked them to address her Majesty on the oiliest, Satin that having voted her the civil list, they would not touch it so long as they had NI shil ling too ty it, but that they would analyse it th u d Me whether they cold not set an example at the fountain head th esa b i L en d b ; Wil ial t agi lt tell n e th e ig ghe n roa rtb o r f en , a G w j eilethe th avta:thofkethoiPhrusucredirvmthilogu.ctitiisloefatwarahveßenagenasfr anal:df Worn.= the Fourth it was slightly reduceo, and it was sow 386,0001. ; but it was due to her Majesty to say, that out of that sum she had only at her oisposalBo,oool., the rest being spent by the Lord Chamberlain, the Master of the Horse, and other officers and servants of the palace. If analysed, that civil list would be found to contain scone of lords and ladies with 3001. to 6001. or 8001 a year, who had only some alight duty to perform once a month or so, and for which the country was saddled with this large sum. He found no one out ot that house to defend that establishment, and he was sure il properly repre sented to her ?dajest7, that she would be the first to suction its revision. Worn they looked at the poor law unities of the country, and found there 4,000,000 of the population in • state of deetitution and demniienre, he thought the extra vaganee of distributing 326,0001. of the public mosey became too apparent to re quire a further 'lmage lion of it. For his part, he should desire to are the simplicity and plainness of the Windsor blue substituted for the tawdry. useless, and costly display which marked the character of the British court, as if in imitation of Napoleon. He thought it would tend turns to the honour of the country end the sovereign if simplicity and not tawdry display were the characteristic of the court. He dined recently at the lord melee's, end met them the English ambassador appointed to the United States, and he really could not wenn his cloth owing to the quantity of gold lace upon it. (A lough.) Then look at your ministers—look at the tawdry manner in which they presented themselves at court. (Loughter.) Was it right that their fellow countrymen ahou.d be dying ot starvation ha acorn, and the public money applied to such useless and gewgaw extravagance. He was for ceiling on her Maisie, Is put an end to a large portion of it ; that being dote les would apply himself to the other establishments, in which mosey was also frittered away as if there was no rash ddag as distress in the country—but psinly stow !". that the country was not in a healthy state. What they wanted, therefore, in the first instance, was a House of Comm o ns having courage to address her Majesty lon the subject, and by that seeing force the government to retrench, beginning with the esteblishinent ot the Sovereign, who, he was sure, would readily consent to a reduction. When a feeling of dissatisfaction displayed Aral in Belgium the government immediately extended the franchise, while I the crown, he believed, and every public officer re. deeei their salaries one-third. When the Duke of Wur:emberg succeeded his father, who was over head and ears in debt, he immediately reduced every neablishment one-half, and brought the whole within that compose which the inhabitants could easily maintain, thus ,ecurieg stenos the love and admiration of his subjects. England must do the same, and with that view he asked the house to do justice to toe people by giving them a fair ',presentation The House of C.onmons might testi:ld with occasions: fits of economy, and then, perhaps, effect reductions which would do icier) , to the public ser •ee ; but until they changed the nature of the House ei Commons, so that the influence of the p polar voice might be felt in It, they could not expect that steady and g e I reduction in the establishments of the country wench the state of the country itself demanded; and which alone offered • prospect of permanent relief. lie wished to see the military form of the country reduced to the woceuities of the country, and all trotted of their presence removed by giving to the people their just rights; so that it her Majesty were asked where was her military force she might be able to say, as Queen Elizabeth did when asked where were her troops, that the people were her troops, and to them she looked for protection wit she went. (Lieu) He proptsed that there should be vote by ballot, on which the house already had had an able discussion. In like manner, be wisbed to see the duration of parliaments shortened. As the house had men , ly expressed an opinion on that point, in which he entirely acquiesced, thinking three years a very proper period, he would confine his ob cr eations to the inequality of the frenchise, ant the inequality of its distribution. It was quite true that icarcjy two re formers agreed on these measures ; but on what questions did men agree without bOlll2 little shades of difference ? Hence, the taunt front the other side was uncalled for. He admitted ho was one who, in 1831, raised the cry of "the bill, the whole bill, and nothing but the bill," being anxious to a 'cure all that those then in power were willing to grant. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord (Lord J. Russell) then stated that, by the constitution, every man was considered as re presented in the House of Commons, as having a share is the election of those who were to make Lys affecting his rights and property; and on that ground he recommended an extension ot the franchise—the same grossed on which he (Hr. Hume) now contended for a further ext. mien. What was the present situation of the country ? The evil arising from the large proportion of persons unrepresented was not stationary, but was increasing every year. Materials were now collecting which must explode, and caution itself re commended a change. The population of Great &hal . might be taken in round numbers at 20 millious ; and by the census of 1841 the number of adult males was about 8 millions. There were 3,.5h0,000 inhabited houses; and if the plan he advocated were adopted there would be as great a number of voters. But instead of that, the number or re gistered electors at this moment did not exceed 820,000. In this calculation he del not include Ireland, for he was sorry to say that country had no representation et all. Mr. W. FAGAN.—There are about 40,000 violas to the 8 millions of population. Mr. HUME did not think there were so many. Most undoubtedly there were more bailiffs than electors. (Laugh ter.) The only official report which the house possessed of the populatioa of each borough and county, and the number of electors, was furnished in 1e36, by what was called the Elections Expenses Committee, when an attempt wog made by him to put an end to all election expenses ; and the pro portion of electors to non-electors was then Ito 51. It was now nearly 1 to 10 ; for there had been • great increase In the population, eseeciallv in the manufacturing districts, at the rate of from It to 34 per cent., while the increase in the agricultural didricts was not more than 7 per cent. The consequence was, that the increased discrepancy between the number of eleztors ar d of non-electors was almost en tirely in the neenufacturing distrioto, where, too, the popula tion were more intelligent, and more fitted to exercise poli tical rights. Men more capable of exercising the elective franchise could no where be found ; they bed been accus tomed to live under tree elective institutions, and were not likely to fall into the mistake c , mmitted by many persons abroad when they enjoyed freedom for the first time. Every year the disproportion between electors and non-electore in creased, and fastest in the manufacturing districts. While schools, churches, and associations of all kinds were established for the benefit of the working classes, they were refused that which would benefit them most of all ; and it was most singular that the class in the country which was interested more than any other in the preservation of peace and quietness should oppose the granting of this right. He would repeat in the face of the world that the working classes of this country had never shown any disposition to create disturbance, or to plunder or appropriate the property of their superiors. (dear, hear.) There bad been numerous examples of the contrary. Would the legislature then refuse to these men what had been granted ' without dispute to the very Isenrooi of Rome? (Hear, hear,) In pointing out wherein consisted the inequality is the dntribution of the franchise, to would limit himuli to as esomple under each head. He had instituted a eon putout between the great and small constituencies. He had token 16 boroughs, containing 2,917,000 electors, being one halfof the whole borough population in England, including the boroughs of Birmingham, Bristol, Finsbury, Greenwich, Lambeth, Leeds, Liverpool, London, Manchester, blaryle hone, Salford, Sheffield, Southwark, Tower Hamlets, West minster, and Wolverhampton; these boroughs only re- 1 turned 33 members out of 323 borough representatives. He had compared these with 22 small boroughs, returning 42 members, which possessed an aggregate population of only about 100,000. (Hear, hear.) Hence, the great towns con taining half the borough population, only returned one Member for every 88,000 inhabitants, whilst the small towns effiarned a member for every 10,000. (Hear, hear.) Could my man say that that was a fair distribution of the elective franchise? In Scotland, 23 boroughs, 'attaining two-thirds of the borough population, re tained nine members; the other one-third sent all the remeising members, 14 ia number. In Ireland, four hem& containing half the population, only gent one-fifth of We biros& members. What could be more unjust? Anodise •emparieon showed that 28 English bo eresghs, returning two members each, bad each less than 500 registered electors ; while 16 others, also re turning two members each, had each above 5,000 registered electors. London had four members and 20,000 electron; while Calne, Reigate, and Andover returned the same num ber of member', though they had only an aggregate of 606 elector , . (Hear, hear.) Let the intelligent members of the aristocracy sit down quietly and look at these fasts, and then, if they had the courage, rise and defend such • state of things. With each facts before them, who would be bold enough to say there needed no farther reform ? Another important pant was the working of the system. The majority of the House of Comma" represented lees than one-eighth of the people • for, of 658 mambos, 330 represents& 3,127,000, whilst 329 represented 23,873,000 persons; the majo rity giving one member for less than 9,600 of the popu lation, the minority one for every 73,000„ In this division the majority included all the third-class towns and small boroughs under landlord influence; the minority included the counties and all the great cities. And this was what was called the people's house—the Common house of parliament. (Hear, hear.) Let it be pro posed to give the working men an extension of their poli test rights, and the power of putting down bribery and cor ruption, and immediately these pres cried out, " No, no ; we won't have that "; bat ant i gewelaw thrown out to amuse the people, or anyth likely to add to their own 'popularity, they wool advocate. Having shwas the inequality which exited, having shown the right of the working men to be represented, and having shwa ales that the welfare and stability of the country inaahll be yesimatod by an extension of the suffrage, he now MIN to the tumideration of the means by which it could be extended. Oa this subject he found great difference of opinion to exist. Some advocated the principle of population ea that on which the suffrage should be based, others again am med the principle of property, whilst others advo odd a particular tenure of property, the payment of tom or a certain degree of education, as the proper foundation for the right to vote. In short, the greatest variety of opinion prevailed on the sub ject. Mr. Mackay had written a pamphlet on the revue Mats of the representation of the country, which he should recommend every member of that Muse to mad, as it showed the inequality and Jolt:sties of the present system in every point of view. These who advocated the principle of property as the basis of the franchise would do well to recollect that very nearly the same disproportion which (tasted between the population widths franchise existed also between property and the franchise. The population of England, Wales, and Scotland, was is round numbers 20,000,000 The number of ',presentative' was 563, or one for every &LIM mecca The reel property of Oreet Britain asseesed to the poor was, in round numbers, 71,600,0001, which would hive one member for every 129,2941. Taking population ea the basis, the distribution would b • as follows: Population. England' 16,30(1,000 would ham 433 members. noatland Wales 1,000,000 ~ 22 ditto. Weir at present 553 Taking property ea the basis, the distribution would be u under : tsertr- England Z P 39, re 6850.00 would have 400 members. Scotland Wales 2,830,000 „ 22 ditto. Total 533 The same multi would appear If the counties were taken instead of the kingdom. Thus it appeared that property and population were so equally distributed, that as regarded numbers ens offered as fair a basis as the other upon which to found representation, and that tie extension of the suf frages woull do no injustice to property. Tnat appeared to him to be s matter of great importance, because many gentlemen might be doubtful as to the safety of his proposition. As, how ever, population was a much emit, basis to work upon he prc petted to take it as the foundation of the altei ati-in he proposed. As to the apportionment of representation, many gentlemen seemed afraid of cutting up Eniland into electoral district., composed of squares and tnaogles. He bad no hesitation in saying that if ne had to construct the representation anew he would do what had been done elsewhere, but as he was desirous of bringing about the result he had in view with as little charge as possible, he would be prepared to show how he would group the different towns t og ether, so as to give each district of boroughs the mune number of representatives. He proposed to do the mere thing with regard to England which was done in Scotland, where several towns were grouped together, as for instance, the district which he himself represented, which contained five boroughs. (Hear, hear.) Having made these state ments: having shown, first, the necessity of an exten sion of the suffrage ; secondly, that they must give voters the protection of the ballot; and having alio shown that these two measures would be incomplete and ineffectual without mare equal electoral distticts, he now put forward the demand of a moderate, proper, and sound reform, which he a ffi rmed every man must desire to see who wishe d for the peace and prosperity of his country. (Hear, hear.) He thought this should be done as an act of justice, and that it was the self interest of every man to listen to the pro position which he now made. (Hear, hear.) He might be asked, as the noble lord was asked, with re spect to the navigation laws, " Where are your peas uons ?" He might give the answer which the neb'e lord had given, that petitions were not necessary where it was a clear duty to grant what had been asked. But when he to'd them that in the numerous places where meetings had been held in favour of reform, the people said they would not condescend to petition the Ilmse et Commons any longer, in coneequ. nee of former petitions from them being totally neglected—when men became nn- willing to press their grievances from a belief that no attest , tion would be paid to them in that house, it was a symptom that should not be disregarded. He them( re pressed on the slob!' I: to this proposition as a sound and rivional reform, and would leave to the noble lord and h:s government he re. sponsile lite of reje cling it. Ac parliament was the only means of ensuring Rood government in this giuntry, it was moat im wnnt that parliament should be in accordance with the feelings of the great mans of he community. (Ue-r ) Did that house represent the people now ? He said co, and ho challenged any min to say yes. It only represented cer tain classes. lie did not complain so much of that, because it arose from the system which had been adoptrd in former dap, when merchants were elected to represent bo rough', knights to represent shires, and the members of univeteitirs to represent scholars. But these days were gone by : the late reform bill placed all on a footing of equa lity, and no man had a right to say to so many others that they were to be excluded from the suffrege, Was it just to cre its discontent by shutting eat se many from a right, which, le -fore God and man, they poisoned? (Hear, hear.) It was on these grounds that he kepi red the house to accede to the proposition he had made. The time had come when they must adopt means for placing the country in greater security. Let them allow him to put his plan before them. Let them curtail it if they thought it dangerous; let them supply end amend it where they thought it deficient; but let them show to the people that they were desirous of listening to their comp'aiots and re dressing their grievances. (Cht ors.) The hon. gentleman concluded by moving for leave to bring in a bill to amend the nati -nal representation, by extending the elective fran chise so as to include all householders, by enacting that votes shall be taken by ballot, that the duration of parlia ments shall not exceed three years, and that the apportion ment of representatives be rendered more equal to the popu lation. - • • ------- Mr. H. BERKELEY rose to second the motion of his hon. friend. During the speech of his hon. Mend there was a cheer on the other side, which seemed to intimate that the division of opinion which had teen admitted by his hen. friend would be an excellent subject for attack, sod would form a good point on which to ride off from the prop union which he brought before the house. He did not know how her Majesty's government meant to meet this question ? Whether they meant to to at it with that disrespect with wl.ich they treated one of the points which formed a component part of his hon. friend's motion, which had been lately sub mitted to the house by himself. If so, they would not only exhibit disrespect to their constituents, but disrespect to the house, and disrespect to their own characters. Sir G. GREY confessed that he was rather surprised at the hon. gentleman having expressed kimself with uncer tainty as to the course the goys rnment should take upon the prcent occasion, because tills identical motion—ile ntical in substance, if not in terms—had been brought ft 'wail last session by the hon. member for Montrose, when it was very fully and very ably debated for two nights, and when has noble friend near him (Lord J. Russell) argued the question at great length. The noble lord's arguments at that time, in common with those of others, tended to produce a remit upon the division, by which a very large majerity of the house declared their refusal to entett An the motion. If, then, his noble friend should not address the house that night, no doubt need be entertained of his opinions upon the subject, because those opinions were very elaboratey rued last year. He (Sir G. Grey) was not going to say • word epithet what was going on in rani .us parts of the continent by those who were asserting liberties too long and unjustly denied them. On the contrary, hon. m= mbers might wish them success in their struggles after constitu tional liberty. (Cheers.) But when the hon. gentleman told the house that it ought to look to those countries and endeavour to aim at that state of political liberty which they enjoyed, then he (Sir G. Grey) answered, and he believed the hou e generally would coincide in the justness of the answer, that the first feeling in entering upon that compe -1 rison was • feeling of infinite thankfulness for that constitu tion the value of which had been tested in adverse times and under troubled circumstances, and which was telt and appre ciated by the great body of the people of this country. (Loud cheers.) The hon. gentleman bad stated that the great object he wanted to achieve was, the absence of all military. The only army le wished to keep up was an army for the defence of our colonial empire and the preservation of this country against her external foes. New, God grant the time might come when we might dispense with the military, even for our defence against foreign aggression. and when, to use the language of the hon. member for the West Riding, "the sword would be turned into the ploughshare," and all men would agree to denounce the arts of war and to promote the enntinuance of peace. But when the hon. member alleged that universal suffrage and the other changes he advo cated were successfully advancing on the continent, he (Sir G. Grey) then said, without meaning mg disparagement to those continental countries, that he was willing to abide by the result of the experiment, and to ask whether the hon. gentleman would take universal suffrage with the accompaniment of the armed force which new ex'sted in Paris—(hear, hear)—sod which in every other con tinental country had during the last year been the invariable accompaniment of the great political changes achieved ? (Loud cheers front the protectionists.) The hon. gentleman had talked of France having obtained political perfection. He (Sir G. Grey) felt astonished that the hen. gentleman entertaining such opinions as he did, should speak of the existing state of things in France, fa such • manner—that he should speak of the " perfection" to which they had arrived, and in which their legislative proceedings were carried on—when he must know that there was an overwheming force of troops in France, upon which alone, as he (Sir G Grey) believed, aided by the government for the times ing, the people relied fcr se entity. He would only ,in addition, that, with regard to what had taken place last year in this country, the 1 inefficiency of the police force had rendered neossamy a larger military force, and that if the hon, gentleman fancied that outbreaks could b kept down without the aid of a mi sery force he was speaking of a state of things which hon. members were aware did not exist in any of those countries which now enjoyed universal suffrage. (Hear, hear.) Now, with regard to the motion of the hon. gentleman, he would not occupy much of the time of the house in adverting to it after the ample discussion of last session. The hon. gentle man had stated his maxim to be " slow and sure," by which, ne doubt, he meant that he asked the hours to assent to the motion es an instalment. But he (Sir G. Grey) had a right to ask him, supposing the motion to be carried, and sup posing leave to DP given for the introduction of the bill, what course would he take when the house came to diectuis motion No. 4 on the paper of that day—the mot on of the hon. member for Nottingham in favour of the six points of the charter ? Would he oppose the hon. mem ber tor Nottingham's two additional points of the charter ? Would he, for the present, adopt finality as his doctrine as opposed to the motion of the hon. member for Nottingham ? It was exceedingly desirab'e to have some explanation upon this point, because he (Sir G. Grey) objected chiefly to the present motion on account of its extremely vague and indefi nite character. (Hear, hear.) Four points were stated in his motion—first, the extension of the suf. (rage; secondly, the ballot; thirdly, triennial parlia ments; and fourthly, a more equal apportionment of representation to the population. Now, with regard to the extension of the suffrage, the hon. gentleman stated the ge neral disagrumcnt which prevailed as to the nature of the suffrage to be extended, but gave it as his own opinion that it ought to include all hottseholden. One wss afraid of Perty.) And gentle accused of plagiarism in amulet • qaestion of this different, and has its origin in Birmingham, not be en d a _ nature, which bad been so amply diseased before ; and ter. (Loud cheers from the reform therefore he meld content himself with referring to the man residing in Birmingham, with whom, if I aisle - . - " me able speech which had been delivered last year by the hon. the hon. gentlemen has had some correspondenee-m e - 7 gentleman.. NWDEGATE-I have never had an comment. member for Beading (Mr Talmud), who then gave a very Taylor-f," No" from Mr. Newdegate.) I j u d ged a ' clear definition of what ° houseboldee" meant. Now , in the ne w sp a per t h at he had had some correspond ence Thet order to show that there was a necestity for something being ** stated of • more exp li cit nature than what had Mtr . fallen upon this head from the hon. gentleman, it ence with any gen tl ema n was necessary to remind the house that the opinions ex - of that name, y except bled?. aby some of the gentlemen who advocated the modes Mr. BRIGHT-Well, be that es it may, that • the em . C si e l tation of the suffrage lest year at public meetings of the gentleman who has the honour of being the ill dis m ' , - l e , ' went further than might be supposed. They were for adopt- of the system which has so raised the hon, ene eme — O log the motim as an instalment. Why, then, did not the wrath. (Hem, hear.) He proposed that instead of ette - ,2 bon. gentleman adopt at once the motion of the hon. mem- fruitless petitions to this house, and asking Me bee lot Nottingham ? Why di•l he shrink from the plain liament to disc= what the house has h hi . i. v"' Wes of that us dation ? Why did he vis t boldly ask the made up its mind upon, it would be desirable that as — le se .,, beau for universal suffrage, which, according to the motion as potato!' of the middle and labouring dunes sh ce iTe, together in investing it in the purchase of lane te ie d. 0 the hon. member for Nottingbaen, would not include encouraged to save a portion of their earning s , nd mi females, but all the male inhabitants of the coun try ? (Hear, bear.) Tim house must recollect that extent as should qualify them to vote for the mu e -- e.."' they Will not bound by rejecting the present me- becoming peeseesed of ea, fesshoies. ( Het,) ittil teen to express any opinion as to finality. (" Ile ar, this gentleman that the honour belongs; it serer belo w ' a t° hear," and dieers from the Iree•traders.) They were not to the League-in fact, Mr. Taylor,l believe was never eme 7 bound to tray that ne alteration should be made. (Renewed ber of the League. (dear) I wish he had, for 1 believ e ----...,,,. (Cent's.) Fora in 6 cheers.) He had n held the doctrine that pen shoul . l have made more progress in the midland de • " a - - Bent at one time could bind the d ecretion of we did if we had had the benefit of his cceoper ti - --* "°. (ner , parliament at Mother. The house should deal with hear.) But whoever has the honour of this discovery, hi: every question deliberately, and make such alters- I think most fortunate for the coos try thst the plea tions as their reason and judgment commended to been discovered and put in force. them ; but they should not give up the blessings they sp- to have speeches from the treasury bench such at the : m preciated without kneeing where they were to be led, the heard from the noble lord the member for Louisa (ho e d . 1 - more particularly when the hon. gentlemen asked the house Russell) Met year, and that we have heard from Ss i ni, - ; to adopt • motion 113 'WAS and general as teat which he hon. baronet the Home Secretary to-night-it it, i s eg e n now proposed . The hon. gentleman admitted that it was fertunate for the house, sea I will add for the muse of ore w - ' difficult to tell on what principle the suffrage was to be cx- in this country, that there is a mode by which the den te n tended ; but, from the latter part of his mullein it appeared out, peaceable, and intelligent portions of the working/ rises manifest that his main object was to apportion the repot can grapple with the evil, and te.rouch it even thee* wit' sentatives more equally to the population. Now, with difficulty thrust themselves within the pale of the constitatm reference to the suffrage, the hon. member for Not- If lam rightly informed, I understand that the he m e. ,,.. --- linen= was exceedingly explicit. He asked the tiered (Mr. Need:lan) and his col'etigue have already se ed out for another constituency. (Cheers from the d am house to agree to universal suffrage and equal elec- a distinct intimation given to there that they must le ak benches, and cries of " Oh, oh," from the protect' • 1 total districts. Thiel was perfectly dear and intelligible. My hen. friend's proposition c ores before the hoer ei Equal , lectoral districts would effect a complete subversion of the existing system; but why did the hon. member fur Montrose stop short of equal electoral districts > (Hear.) He far as I can judge of it, under very high l • - (Sir G. Grey) would not say that the t xiating awe of things Wh at is that propootiun ? My hon. friend merely propnt t I was perfect, found, but he contended that the hon. set tuber or that gross inequalities in individual cas s that you should adopt in practice that which no pas et might not be deny is recognised by the theory of the constitute n. ([ tad fee Moutrose, while foregoing the motion of the hon.member cheers.) We hose the monarchical institution, with wkid for Nottingham, would involve us ic all the contagion which we h ave f oun d no fettle (Hear, hear.) We live aortae the change of the latter bon. gentl• man would occasion. Pesthole, the mildest monarchy in the world. (Hear, hu e ) We find that mmarchy in the possession of privilege, di (Hear.) There were two other points in the present maim prerogatives, which we have no wish to overturn or teem. to which it was unnecessary to advert in detail after th.• de- prerogative, with. (Cheer.) We have a House of Peers, wind e bates which had already taken place in the present sessior; he meant the ballot and triennial parliaments. Now, with another recognised portion cf the constitutions) TAIL regard to the ballot, the hon. it - lineman who bad last ad- That also has its privileges and prerogatives-m.lm Is dressed the house (Mr. IL Berkeley) had spoken with some no fault with them. (Cheers.) We admit that the me degree of soreness; but he ought to have recollected that tomb, is right a. it is, according to the admitted the sense of the house had very clearly been expressed upon principle of the *constitution ; and that the Roue that subject. He concluded by expressing a hope that the of Peers is right it being also in Lenders house would by a majority equal to that of the lest year on with the same standard, (Hear, hear.) But vs maintain that that constitutien recognises otother e l e . the same occasion again affirm the decision to which it then came. wept-a popular, and, if you choose, a demotion U. lilr. F. O'CONNOR should cordially support the mot:on ; ment-(cheers)-and we who stand here, mid Inns 11v and if the four points no* asked for were granted, he would represent-the common people of Eagle:id-bur mgo i c accept them, but do his beet hereafter to obtain the remain- and as undoubted a right to be sole and absolute in nit ing two contained in the People's Charter. house, as the monarch on the throne, or the peen in the other chamber of the legislature. (Loud cheers.) Battle Col. THOMPSON deprecated the view taken by the hon. system under which we sit in this house is by no mem il teutleman who had just sat down, who was ready to oppose accordance with this theory of the constitution, nor with * every measure and every person that did cot go" the wh ole true interests of the nation. (Hear, hear.) We here first animal" with him. (A laugh.) The present government , e , ie ._ ii purpo•ely, and by act of parliament-almost m had achieved the most glorious, because the most successful, "' dared in words a system of exclusion, by which at lusts triumphs with which this country was aequainted, and he nut of 6 of all the grown men in the tinned King. Mowed that they should be enabled once more to advance to tom are exeluded from any direct exereite ot poetical victory under their old and distinguished leaders. (Cheers.) power ; and you have beyond this an arrangement of our Mr. CAMPBELL showed how many questions of import- representation, so far as the onddie classes are enflamed, dee, coon cted with the colonies and with Ireland, as well which, if not amounting to abs Tote melons, is a mere as with the social condition of England, ought to be ad. pretence of representing them, and, to a large extent, but justed-topics considered, emergencies met, and wants a sham and a fraud. (Hear , hear.) Theme-s b een an provided fir-before it was wise or prudent to attempt to make it appear that the Reform Bill was the bill enter upon crew ic changes of the constitution. The of the middle clams, and gives an honest reueseatatien et erinciple of the Reform Act, be contended, was th ose c lams, (Hear, hear.) But no man betimes this in distinct in itself, and hod no community with that this i l e u m, and no man out of the house suspects it. of Mr. Hume's proposition ; and events lost year had prove I Ido not insist at all on the plea of enema riget ; I believe that the present representative system enjoyed the neva. e• the middle classes, the proper source of power, alter, as by our natural rights to be equal, but I speck o f cantle tional nett e and of the rights which common anise cal Mr. Hume proposed to swamp their influence, and tn transfer common justice require should bo giv e n to these eas ed it to a numerical majority, whose condition, social or p li- Th e answer to me when I ask that they should he admitted Seal, wou'd not be improved by en un li m it e d democracy. to these rights, will, no doubt, be, mat they ere toe igte With respect to the present motion, even if it had the saisc. rant is exercise the franchise judiciously , or tha t t h ey es lion et the noble I ord at the he ad ol the government , he must so vicious-a large proportion of them - t h at the y wield is meet it with a firm and indignant denial. likely to turn political pow, r to purposes &strum ise of its Mr. LOCKE KING observed that there were many per- interests of the country. lam not one of thne who beim soot who said that elthou n h the hail opposed the lest reform that it requires much echool limning to enable a mask hill, they yet rejoiced that it had passed. lie (Mr. King) choose a member of parliament. (Hear, tear.) Look at tes warned such persona that they might have much to in pet members who . hme sat in this house fir many pea sometbir g like the present motion were not matured into a past for the venom univeratties ot Dublin, Or ford. soden'. law. II trouble or distress came on the country, they might bridge, and you will find that almost invariably they hemp. tie sorry that all rational cause of complaint had not been posed all those measures which the opinion ~f the mu ssy removed. (Hear, hear.) The beginning of the revolution. has demanded, and which the good sense of peri ism e tha ary year I'B4B had found us in advance of the rest of the at length conceded. (Ilea, hear.) The doctrine tested* world, that was to say, the people of this country had a lactic learning is cecessary to enable men to ct.oose rumble greater share in the responsibilities of government than the of parliament most assuredly denves no coutinnation free p. epic of other Eurnpean ceuntries. But the close of that what we have seen of the members for the three mimed year saw us without further advance, while it was generally The right hon. member for Tamworth his alt was aloof admitted that if England wished to hold the proud position to leave one cf these universities because he bed deemed of elder sister to the free states of Europe, it was to adopt the course which he then felt to ee mammy, necessary that mutter reform bill should be achieved. and which, every day of his lite since, he in The people complained that the Reform Act wan not found more and mote reason to know wis se carried out as it ought to be; and the house should ceaasrv, for the public safety-(bmer, hear);-the beware of delaying too long a correction of potent right hon. gentlemen who now represents the Universitet( anomalies repugnant to common sense, whilst the wealth Cambridge is supposed to sit in a very precarious p idea, and population of the country continued to increase, not because he has neglected his duty hoe, but bend he (Hoer, h sar.) Hon. members might boast that the:English has been endeavouring to banish from his mind example people were attached to the ancient institutions of their jndietn, certain antiquated notions of former rays, sad tee country. He rejoiced that such was the case. lie applied himself to the consideration of those queen end& rejoiced also that the people were able to obtain the the pressing necessities of the country deemed should he luxuries and necessaries of lite cheaper than formerly; listened to in this house. (Hear, hear.) The woe* but what he desired, and what the pet plc de- classes of this country have made great progress of lateran sired was, to retain all that wes valuable in the national (Hear, bear.) There is abundant prod of this on every institutions, and to secure that cheapness which they hod hand. Lock at the circulation of newspspers among des, obtained with so much difficulty by the only means which he of newspapers most ably written, and meet moral and etch and they felt to be efficient, namely, another Reform Bill, lent in heir tone. (Hear, hear.) Look at the cireetheim Ile believed that whether in this year or the next that ma. of cheap literature of every kind amoug them, at the effort sure must come, and that when it del come it would do great thee are making-I speak particularly ~ f the north of Bee good by bringing a vast number of men within the pale of the land. with whic h lam better acquain.ett-to educate Ail constitution, and seising them to their proper rank as fri emen children, and, as adults, to educate themselves. (BIM and as c tiz es. (Cheers.) Such a measure would bind men hear.) There can he no doubt whatever that the arena of to that true constitution which expanded on the principle of thin country in 1819 is a different being hem the arejea gradually admitting new dame s into its bosom; and would of 1832, and in 1832 his help was not disdained by Mendes cense the 501. renters in counties and tha 101. householder lord and the right hon. gentleman rein him, who en ed in town who were now looked upon as the hollers of odious upon them to assemb'e, and petition and cry to per privileges to be reckoned man additional element of strength for the paring of the Reform Bill. Having quoted the re by their intranchised fellow citiz no. Finally it would drew port of the government commiesioners relearn: ti the m ime the racks of the eonstituti .n all those ere n who were t irely manufacturing town of Stockport t , show the wintry, now dissatisfied because they were refused their rights as habits, and intelligence of the inhabitants, the hozoartlis freemen and ae citizens. (Loud cheers). member went on to say, I need only go back to shoot this time last year, when the right hon. the Hose Mr. NEWDEGATE concurred with the hon. member for Cambridge in resetting the time lost in discussing this wo - tore spe:ches about the state of the country -since all the tion. He (Mr. Newdegate) could not help looking upon it Secretary made what I may fairly c all his itemisresetting real excitement of the period seemed to he in the mind of as a useless formality ; for be believed that if the conyti- the right hon. gentleman-(a laugh) - and when the Reels tuencies were to be reconstructed, the work was to be mace. lord near him, echoing the right hon. gentleman, slid this taken not in that home, but in a house iu St. James's square, the Queen's throne was not supported ty the Horse anti by a society presided over by the hoe. member for Montrose. But he wished to call attention to the manner h ear )-b y th e ir respect fir the laws, by their in which this prot-osed Raferm Bill was attempted to be Guards. but by the opinion of the p eo p le-(hear, Montrose. love of order. (Hear, hear.) Well, all this is precisely wlut carried out of doors. Those who now formed the league we say. ( Hear, hear.) We sty, because we know, the for carrying this new pulisarentary and financial reform we the great movers in the Anti-Cora Law League in t h e monarc hy, a gainst the constitution of the country. B at 184.5-the hut. member for the West Riding, the hon. mem the popul anon have no feelings, no designs directed a p ing re they have designs satinet the system which plc o a bas ber for Manchester, end Mr. G. Wilson, the chairman. This upon them, and whatever their intelligence, whatever their new league having originated in the tame place and with the excellence, whatever their industry , wh e t e r their in same parties as the former one, he wished to call attention to enmity, shuts them out from a participa tion in the just a system pursued by them In 1845, sim il a r to that which privileges and rights which the citizens of a tree state may ires now again proposed , but under a different name. In natura ll y be expected to claim. (Hear, hear.) Hoe 1845, 701 of his (Mr. Newdegate's) constituents were oh- gentlemen seem to have some vague anyone of danger, jetted to, and be believed he was right when he said, that at should the suffrage be greatly extended. I will net the instance of the league 23,000 noticesof objection to di scuss t h e ques tion whether you fear that were the seems voters on the register passed through the Post-office extended, some of you would have to take a cliff rent tai's In one day. The attempt at wholesale disfranchise, from what you now pursue ; but I will take the su pp ositio meat of voters who were fully qualified, however, t h at your views and mine, and theirs, are the same ; thews did not succeed in North Warwickshire, and oat of a ll a lik e want parliament to he a reflex of the nation ii the 700 objections 12 only were maintained. (" Hear, hear," order that the virtue and the intelligence of the nati on ma y from the protectionists.) This was th e mo d e b y w hi c h t h e y be brought to bear on the government, so as to render the attempted to deprive their opponents o f t h e p ower of voting institutions and administration ot the country as perfect st But another scheme was adopted to obtain the votes for themselves, viz., the creation of freeholds. Sums were sub- pestible. But you have vague notions of danger: y ou look at the labourer in the fields and the workman in the in scribed-houses were purchased or built, and divided amongst severa l p r oprietors, and in many instances persons in no way tories, and you think these men would melee sorry* . laton ; you fancy the smockfrocks if let into this house-!d connerted with the county were placed on the register, ripe. dilly in the West Riding and in Lancashire ; and, as if to don't fancy, Ibe that if admitted they would sit GI th e protectionist side (a laugh)-would set about some most ice mark ISMS prominently the means by which such votes had Practicable, impossible, perhaps dangerous things. I ante been made, some of the buildings out of which the qualifica - fully that there are such persons as you contempt:se! Mom tion arose were named " Cobden Row," and others " Bright Terrace." (" Hear," and a laugh.) A nd to show the extent class, men who understand vt ry little, and who venture v ei l much. (Hear) But such persons are now, I believe, pail to which these operations were carried, he might in the minority, and if they came to vote for members 01 quote from a speech of Mr. Wilson's, in which be said: "The total county constituency of England parliament it would be a very different thing. en d the motives influencing them would be very difeat is 445,630, the number attached has been 143,731, from those which influence the men who sit so that we have dealt with nearly one-third of the in this House. Let any one of us turn to his own nee/Weather:l, whole-and I am persuaded that this is but a mere bo- and ask himself what the population among whom he lives ginning." (Hear.) 'There was something too glaring in the by stem of forcing strangers wholesale into the county eon miolencies-and besides, it was possible that the house might would most influence their choice. I honestly woo would be likely to do if they had the franchise, what mein sy that except in cases of extreme irritation, of tiorce, paint, interfere to prevent it if again attempted, and therefore the not likely plan now was to facilitate the purchase a freehold land by lik e l y when their rights were distinctly recognised, -1 means of what was called an investment company. The ob- to be of freuent occurrence, end least o f all honestly believe that these men would look around in their jest of this company sou not to make straightforward and neighbourhood for him whom they believed most intelli g ent, free purchases like the scheme of the hon. and learned mem- most virtuous, most benevolent and useful sm ot e as her for Nottingham (Mr. O'Connor) - (a laugh); but it w to operate in this way :-The money was to be paid by sub- his neighbours ; that in fact they would be seription, except by s uch as c h ose to pay at once, en d the ma only, whom they would consult in their private cooed was, he was told, not more than 201. But the parties were sum necessary to obtain a freehold qualification by this means - anxious to send to parliament precisely that mac, and tad (hear, hear) ; they would select their members of parer to be put in possession, and the money was to be paid by in- lect their poor law guardians , their municipal slicers ; toe en the property, as that would be fatal to the registration, stalmente, the security for the payment not being a mortgage the class from which, where the franchise is su ffi ciently el• meat on the same rule by which they now so esrefully se but by a bond and personal liability. Until the whole of liament • tat' What brought about the enter always at the mercy of those who had advanced him the the instalments were paid up, the party would thus be ary repres .n Ives.tece tended, constituencies which are free now select their pis - but of the slaves in our colonies ? The expecte money, because they might recall it at any time t and there until it was found that the deed , in our cold* teary to their view, it would be recalled. Distrusting the could be little doubt that if the holder ventured to vote con- of a slave insurrection in Jamaica-(hear, heal 9-44 would no longer b 3 kept as slaves, sem dh r , =Son for the reasons he had stated, he should votehear.) Again, as to the mender , R. q uestion. (Heir, the 8 0 " boasted constitution able to grapple with this etn" what effected their repeal ? The agitation of it Mr.BRIGHTsaid-I consider myself fortunate, Sir, in hay- corn law league was not an agitation of force. (Oh_l aii ' lag the opportunity driving immediately after the hon gentle- was an agitation of conviction-(" Oh ! oh ! ")-it w__ ~,, man who has just spoken, as lam personally acquainted with agitation which not so much coaquered our oppons n r_:: some of the facts which he has detailed, and can bear testi- converted them, and having once converted them, _e! efh many as to how far his statement are correct. There is one no apprehension that they will ever again be foun d in set: as mistake which the hon. gentlemen h made, and considering against us. (" Oh !" and " Hear, hear.") Yet tee 15 reel, +'' the great attention he has evidently p aid to the subject, I hon. baronet, strong as his convictions had become in most say that lam somewhat surprised at it. The hon. was not able to propose any change in those laws till he _se; member said that the new mode of enfranchising the people coming on in Ireland, • calamity which must overpon e then, ems to which he adverted had sprung from Manchester, and was farther resistance to his contemplated measures and sidedby presided over by my excellent friend Mr. Wilson. Now, this he carried the repeal of the corn laws. Fami ne, ou. ._ ..„ that is not precisely correct. (Hear, hear.) It is true that the the terrible agent which compelled oar boasted u c _ ;teen: Manchester people did originally begin a system of qualifying to permit the people of this great country to _p e rch ) e"" Take voters for the purpose of carrying the repeal of the corn bread freely at the world's market price. (Puteee West Riding laws. (Protectionist cheers.) But the present system is the question of economy. The member for th 1/, 4- thi no 1114 no