The Express. — London, England, 1849-02-15 00:00:00

have lass ails, as sake those disammitsees, in a peat dopes a sempoes with New Yea, with the line of interval scammenkallea by the mask parsed by the United States; they state low they laws bees thwarted in the.. 'ruts by the opmesks a ear errigatioe laws, ea they caress • asklea w t h rienota aides founded urea bets ad sate- Mat Pa, that if this. rastrktions awe re. moved, it waid dll it la the power of its madams of Kea- Deal ad the familiars ef Camas smammeally arasespets with the great sad pada tads wash smiles that agar last seemly which ampises the that.. of Nee Olah Mesa aunts, sod all the mar, whisk estromads the yearn lakes. That is pest inefraphle— proof whisk I day hem. gamismea it osamovert, fist if, as far m Ca mbia is eutesasik we shy up *ma navigation laws, we shall asks a boa of imalculable vela on oar North Aresaaa oasis* sad rivet them by _ties of latitude to the maker esemay. ia • iniumeer in wkidi I am waded as ahisr OEM WI Pad pima amid equally alma I dad at the east Illa I thought darn bar 'ban Manatee in the deity whisk had alma platy on this acce des ; hut speak* kr Ceara. I aimed esetemplate that delay without the palest paha repot (Hear, hear.) Ilk, the next and mai pima, of the Navigation Laws to whisk I adverted is ialreadeg dr mean* of lest sake, insbeles times waddler, walk were 'steads d to sesta lend lkh *seek the lea verge trede,by nest sna il = l ikeet e r s t dues ea be brought to disk psis amp a will sot de more se the pretest amiss dna easel it the aramanita whisk Ikea before samileall le tis p 2 s ti: Maar of the raters' cf them restriedma It • ad doss appear to me, that a system a seatistions which oat the raw pause, while at the mail tints it adman the same when iatroduted in the menakeared state, is saber mon son he. t h an giving a dad onsituregerarat te ear 'snip rivals I. memaseterte. (Hear, hear.) To prank the imof mishogeay while wu freely admit furniture , to shut o ut, ats weal while at the ewes time amazing soma goods, to bob* sheep's wool. sad to admit laid cloth, to ms so esespletely to avert all rational that it will Gal, be neemeary to lay the tree state of Wore • arliamaat of the present day to se otters we disepprohatisa if say lager WWO/1/10/311[11 of so aliened a at a time too whoa ear at h ew is so eaeadag, sad whoa it is men t haw ever im partial aserissa that it shed* be esimeatand by re sambas* 'V te an* (Hoer, beer) Imy that die is •an mask wadies he sated to sake the home at ease ,said ., quaint of ameba se so it is worth while to mektria sash a spasm any Wars. (Hear. hear.) Tb. WA of *wink OISIWWIWIId plesiples ea which the prima span rests, masists of these restristiens which at tempt as mare to British amok the atrylag on In dira* kap. N3W with regard to this pules of the navigation laws, I beg ea marl the house that it is • pc sy whisk NW self he masa' so keg as It is coaesK to an d se lisp es tordes madams sequiseee la it. It is quite that if every as were to act oaths seas pima el adadier is.. the trade all bat their own ship Per—a amid at pin sadder by the optima ; as the essitsery, we t as the resat aaritinis aides in the maid, skald be the grata Issas is •• gems in whisk all esassemod must kes something. Am will, we should ultimately be the stream losers in • game of al areal excludes. (Hew, hear.) Bat so ant who km mid die slightest attention to the polity of ~stns in this reepset .1 late pus, an Wilda frees prised aniseed that they ars alive to the th e of , gadded system, sad that if we me se Wad to our own karate es le pima La it. they will osadely retaliate upsa us is ear ormisig trade. I ventured la esy matemsat of lest aim* alias to this pan a the salsa I expisiaed to as boas the Wades is whisk we stood with regard to Prude rap sdieg Wear& I 11110 W that on that anion seam hearmalis airmhsts saw OM boat with peat levity the maws d Preesia, hat ia say it was neither wise sow pads ea to treat that. car e bast.) But when I add ad all Ownimay pali sade ia the eamonetrease of Praia, k became tsarina as well as mirmaals ; sad it bermes awls it treat It is the mama I have dessribed. (Cheers.) Bat k Praia the only eseintsy from whisk we may same she karma ? I watered aka ia the idea of lest umbel se all the ri tualise a the base to the stabs of ear aka= with a esuatty the keportmes of whisks. it abets air amsessee, se ems will diepato—l mesa Bass* • emsetry of sae la prima to us, —s esleelead to be torproesily beaskial, them almost any ether with whisk we tarry an sumasesiel I Madam (Hear, her.) This is the use of a abounding la the taw pro lose whisk Zeeland assaaketures. lay that two seek ormatriss as Basis .glandare brad by nature is tarry sa Inds apsaer, that their trade is s natural and *at it amide} to ate tamest capability of trade, deveispard. (Chem) New, how do we find Russia orb et le this *direst tad* ? We have at presort a iyuatyd.emmam with Rama dated I think ia 1843, sod whisk beta he tin years will steep qtly expire in 1863, by whisk Hi espied to admit British skips to Reeks perte lsea= teems with her own shim. Of awn she anal spa in so lag as that treaty aisle, by pales the sine minims ca our earryiag trade wadi we pat spin bun. The arida of oar maga= law oasts Amok la tide way. An English ship may take agar trots Cabs to St. Petenbarg, bat a Rued= skip sonnet land a cargo of Cabs agar I. Leedom. We may she eager' frees Riga ea the some terms Is Roam ships, la the latter cannot do so in any English pert, Cu we believe that when ear treaty expires Bank will slow such a rani to costa& (Hear bow) But I am not left tv conj.,- tare la the Udall. I. 1836 the Emperor Alexander issued as ukase patift beery restristkas a all ships not privileged by treaty isartisal ships, and it is quite plain that when the tray warm the sem memares will be pursued towards us. Is it est dies mat bear est to wait until these claims are peremptorily pat, when they may be diseased with hod sae exaspesstlee.at an iseesteseiset time posh is it mot boar. I my, a puma a emus of wits , end hay, body, and apitaly to somas, met to the demands ef Rank, but to the damask a truth and jades, what all anal amide is the say tree sad salightead palsy ? (Casa ) rat ger mistime ea Ss true sad raked beh al sad by lady masseeleas avert the alb wadi will inevitably be teamed spa se by delay. (Hear. best.) I might go as through • lea list of eountries in ribeanos to we thailuty dilated, bat it would be maces wily delaying the law. I think I have said enesgh to show that this =T, which a fusidemental principle of the navigation ons k which mead he Essintained without seriously anaromiting our weimmadel relations with other countries. NI aka was messy I . l= k et a it what must be the Ina. Mk sonsanease of that fundamental principle. (Hest, her.) Thous sa, as Ihave stated, setting . aside the esastiag trade end dm Gawk% the three mit principles upon whisk ear spiritism is,. rest, sad I proposed in the wane of lest stsi all shall else t reittP es" re. peal the idems Issada e i r = , r leaving to the Queen ia assail as power—Mt messmaly to be our. eked, bat sal te be releina—ef re4saudi them wholly or I. part with Napa to my ismatry waisk it may appear to the parsat a be medal to Haat Merest, that they rasa bass ariested. Osamesla with the navi gation laws there are other queotions, edam, to the registry sad assming of ships, atia it will he amulets', necessary to dial with a connection with them mid at the MN the.. I am not going to enter into any deals ea those but will merely remind the lams ad S i r= alteration I proposed last salsa was it male foreign-built ships to register as latish asseis, provided that they were British owned ma =med. I thought that M pleas British shipowners is mespedlisa with all the ireeK while I esnfined that te the yard. d Swat Britain kr the swam* of their ships,wesumailket abate. I pro. Sitit acid to bring down that monopoly la ship-baild ish at pima exists I. the United Kingdom. And *out andapalliad dimerisa upon this point. I mad say, that eampssa maseden have seallated se in the that a park the impartent trees of .hip -biallika= Brits* mei her ispeasesies has nothing arsiase to hos boa the sompailisa et wed& I have lok we lea Mimed I this gaaliajals as as addled mem of hamaslisambidi he imeasellmad by the sedan tam harm tbs easallke of as Ewen of Dada I hem Imbed ummeity las thee aid- I Shwa and I disk that se paismaa sat sad it admit mass albs eadaska. thas of sB trawl ia die weld, a' amadneled in Ws snaky, rase is none ia tibia we sae so sesamly ample with ear Amiga rink as Is art of dip builder. (lasi.) I lad diet la the article et we bare aabater to the setae ef to par sent. wins we with rupee to tabor it is said by Xr. _Murray Ingram, that we ere ant en ms spdity; sad that as regards labour we in a it tepidity is wages ; but I last allow that thesis as puine--eadi it is a most aperna point, upon w as stye we aro sot ems sa equality. lea aU memil d: the sialemsed kir. Wipe= sakes is perked, amuse, and Iliag le call the Wadies of as hams to ths aka is whisk he says we are on tams a _,data. He says that ages as New York are sheet as same Gala Lease 1 leat den is Skis dilikesase hearsea lima, We the shard& a the Halal Sam ghee a libels dars ark As h 1 - maw, wile the Labs a. tskt data ea • samhiallem uss. (Hear, hem) But does ay amen mesa le my rat die trade ef the eseatey is to he bar- Wad, Shaba sematooki mildiens are te he emanated, ✓ad mamas illikalim le grew up, la seder le f l at swag ear sliqa? U this • r li ptin a t la hall * thew eht tee amps% with the United Ideas ? (Hew, bat. ))) sir, the tree remedy br Ina a ea k to expose those who inal Ned it ask table mum he die eonslnfst et *dr ea to a this eat epee soutpaidea with eases lobe are elift obsumetemett, and who NO ad ilnallak 1 1 86886 - Maim) TM* r i doLlf . a slum la whisk ems redeem apprehind that our aMplmYi wt he upend to Weir eaespodtka es regale the is. I =lke enema of their trade-4 seers as deem ars la imprlz ar ehiptididing daises la Ws emery. IS amid be • a great Whimsies le as if .y right ban. friend the of the Badman add tell me VW be nada te le able to are that day. (Rea) But I Maly %Ibmil rte duly mad at all and la the twiddle Imes the Asp whisk I *stun to resessmsad. Oa this I shell appeal to the aliens, of (admen idle ellegoaer disagree with me as to the poikl_4l lisPaliall 11 % law sad le awe mere reepse eke . ems lable se Dust- I h ae he k sae of the largest skip byla hive already ws anderwast ` s h at adds ad this imbed ha says about de sea if Ibis essy ea timber ist reialga• Prima id i s balk is Begbard. That the amemet of duty payable ea *WV Shaba k *Elia, sad sass art hem ay nials ski Themee Nsd alt sli ti = d ab " al " ed. 1 5 . :6 11 1 4 a a mardrat et alma del teas. Whylwillemittare le say thes the duty on Pad by the Praia ship-trader soma a • asmsb MI era the Wage than ear deep an the timber. (liar bettrer, lie . _ a _ a ll seamemed del la as are of the NNW; is 11 • 1111 •11 .. I ..... luswasels *in liaTit7 l 7:lll 7'.. sar Mar.) Oa than is as Mi. saw la as hadame Ire* saa a - 7= qe ,y in g la . I A ,ipwth & The la= Nil of tea end NW edneWbragg wait. II is ails a Ida Wile die May alb the ads. that thli Ist, ea rte 4 f . dinker asy shoos of mann ton; la= ipso ths DIM* eMpinitar to justify iho I ban meationed the spli. den et r i rigrane. shim r . shall sew pea another gentlemen wins I highly repot, bat who it well boom se ea arilmit sail tof espelesoes nit aniesdn nos, is ISC, be was mein Were a sennideo of the Bona of Commena, was Mad. o Do yes not thttl that this iaosord height of nab.' 6 a cost s si dowbodt the Beitisk silks's= by was oest at Mina • OAP is this sweenT. Ind dist that 'raid be eaissei W a Wei if tie outflow hem it vela be of meestid sinks to the British shipowner Be answered, " lti.l do set : bu'se's I snow that the quantity of forage timber mod is this bea n hat a small pro to the wide (ame. bear.) rr, 'l it sent ahsesein to I skeet, and which also proposed ion is whhk Wino the Batbliship owner from the a ns of taking a certain number of spondee& They boos sesmostly sompiaked et dation of the law, and I Mink only piper We they elhosid get relief, at a dn. shin we aterWlernggum down Seth are the nine andisse dn. Wawa whin I pepsin last esesion. I propose' absolutely to repeal Woe L ai prism:pies of the eaviptioe laws to whin I have Morta— -1 mean the ristrimisse es the earryks nada. es dee mania trade, and as the hog voyage teals I and das to moldy the laws of registrados semi meaning se as to allow &Mk ship *woos to wenn abroad, and not to be sempelled to take a mina amber of apprentkes. I popes to poem to the noes In sown • power, set so .s to to monis* but which I ddolt the mows aoM amass, to m-inipan those resided= wholly rein Is say ease in whin it ninon to the seem ihrt tie national Oncosts require that the power Wok he exercised. I have, daring the Interval whisk has e6egmdsins. I lad proposed this =mum to the house, In with the other siembere of the government, orelidly sonsidond the sidsoimis which had been node to this isl e whet es moist Laths to adopt any suggestion whin to be as improveramit ea the scheme we ball proposed. The objections to the meson were of two They were dot those who, led by the riebt its. member fur Stamford, altogether ob jected to the pendple of the measure I had fano dean. I do est apse* lb. re-oonsiderados of this bid In any bops that I shall be able to rums the obleot one of ths right bosourabie gentimen end his frie s . At the same doe. I essessra the tight Imo gen tlemen and then he.. manes wits set with km. that if, In do eos othhe disco ids tibia and take plans NI the Adore steps of this bon, I get from them say soggsstiese which may be impenmente, I shall receive t om s ink fully, end itestikir then as carefully. sentisi us lbem that quarter as film ally other. (Hear, _bra) ob. know wore made to this ma'am is • denten glidt and hem a differeot quieter. Them were Ina en pressed demons, kvoluable to the at Ohs It who avowed their billet that the the angel= kw wen 'wadi, sad that do rhea "car whoa they *end he nand at abelined, bet who, sown theism, took *Oka to park of dem whisk I bad inbedosed. I aisle earning/ t. the rightkm member for the unverally al Oda, who, in an nit esti* wine :poen the geese principle of the bill, expand doubt as to the worlds; of °Mae pen dens. Wogs so book to a endect to which I ad. yartal In semnemeil mess the ending trade of this essatry. The Ogle We. telethon stated, ma I think with great Ness, that In retaining unopened the metric tioas an our seaddieg tads, we were placing ninny« at great dieshrestego in heeling with foreign countries for the relazatinn et link saviession laws. The right hon, gentle man admits& to tht Vaud Sons, and said that in the cams of that sentry on sersogsmsn would be most unequal and oak, ; that while yes aimed the American to engage in your hotso lmialtrade. pa at the same time, by main isg those nldetione. by dlidellag his from year coasting tab, of whisk is we. assay pinks to conceive he could make sew deltimestal to your own people, you daimon to from seeking that important trade sloe; the coast of AWNG" whisk, teem its nature aid magnitude had more M assastar of a tonna than of a coasting trade. IThedgittbm. geodesy' added that when we considered the nelonspeinele of Anoka, the difference between those of Momakesseesatbe ere side, and of Loonies and Carolina*. the other, Iteneethig trade partook more of the 'hammer na foreign or esiniel trade than of a ending trade is the ordi wag onefledies of the term. I own I fond if dining to sten Sat ergsment ; I felt its pressure, and I esidolaly than that I eves we made no change in on elastic We, if the ecissies wished to throw open their onliblit trek to time dinerisans, they would have a 66 this to sob the United Inn to gin as a fair nem be their swam trade Tbst ih to aapy, if the voyage km Mao " Lends wee to be amidered esional, while ese ben Cali fornia to leer Ten wee se be pot down as coaling trade, it meld be rest sad pospesinose to think that the United Sato 'ganged/A k • polley_so seateary to the dictates ofjestiso amt mimes sense. Newertbelest, I have thought itlesteer N seadebse this pert of the end. et with a view of seeing whither we send meet the diffnities whin stood is the way of gain sus sesedng trais—l mean the akin dish.airs air seshaiss peplatien, and the =to a to the moan from allowing nation ely to engage is that trade. I trot that tits oessidostion I have been able to give to that pert of the saki* boa enabled me, not to abolish thr reetristims spied foreigners entering the met trads, ds,let fo modify them in much • way I we w trust, pat us in a condition to obtain without cavil or dilliculty from the United States that trade which it is sonny for our merchants to obtain, and at the same tires set to apse ear revenue to danger or to excite alarm arainge oar ova seafaring population. There are two bombes of the renting trade which, although going under the lens same, are menially different in their character. Moo is, first, the trade constantly going on in steamboats sad small meek earring goods sad passengers to and fro between Wish parts, and which almost noes oleit7 them Wares kid knowledge and connexions in adrift whisk the trade is carried es, sod to whet, I believe, there is no Sniper in the wield, eve ff do trade were thrown open, who could onapees with oar own people. Nevertheless, apes tits prin ciple I ham avowed, of not ending ahem, I de setpopome to throw open that treds to foreign noels. I posse.. to re tain that parties of the ousting trade which eeenbk organ to and he hum pert to "tent United t_that I prasse se keep grossly ups its omen I may bore observe, Is poodog, that some of the restriction es the coasting trade areimpesed apes British as will se ups foreign meas. • Brilbk ship omen sesablso shrugs mod a undo, nye.. led inn smoke her skein. Tim, ff she cleared at In a *reign poet, and west to Don" she wend be subject to the same Melodies as a foreigner. This regulation was made few the Ism* of the rowan, whisk it's' supposed might be alined. Now, in abenbieg reeloislieS brdisso,l motes alto! lish it hr mon of ear tows asteohy, sed what I propose is to slew Wm Bad* or hones mods, sot to go to and fro In Zeikel, bas when Wing ilrom a port to • foreign port to swiry their sups ins en British port to another, sad the to dear out fee a brigs pen when completed. I base bees is essionskalles with the edam of customs spa this pent . NMI have madded golf that the arrange ment on be Inds with safety to the mosso, provided that a restriction, whisk I am now about to 'nation, is also im posed. I mess that die trade be net *aseried on in mesh of lon nen 100 tees barthen. The reams I propose this is that appothendsoll were entertained that British vessels might hive halo kr sorogglieg, In taking on board high duty goods...steed* for foreign porta, and then landing them again at es Zeldin port. At the same time I meet my . that I do mkt Wok the privileges we are about to concede will to say sent be taken adonis. of. I believe that the light duties sad the ether various seastieg sharps will pro vest either Bogle or heap meta hisamknoldng one.. soigne nab under Ikon dmaisamiss•• but, far se& eons I ham slated, I think it r igh t to gin the kellities I have enuessatod ; I think that the altered= will entirely most the argument put forward bi )ilo th r e d risk hon. member for the University of year, nandy. *at by withholding then we were Wain to the Amasses what wesiffn i f eire se admatage to them, bat width would dater us hem Inks In return for whet wend is et goad analogs to ea nut chants, and whet, ensididog the !baud aeropmeats we had mud. with need to as halo Weida oak, it would be only kit of OM to sessola. - Theme are the may Important Wording whisk I proven to make is the mosso elan Eiden Theme en some minor intanWiena, bat I has respliskted all that were important. to be Mr. GLADSTO nn NZ Wad whether the " manning " was fued. Mr. Lll/10110Z11114-21sre were luny NW plats raised is the ditessies ket year which I de sod ad. Tort to at pmerit. %seem I believe it to he the duke thee this Noisties shoat without • dirmiss deleits, hot that the be Woo epos the einsi m ad asomitles Therehre I have use edbd to anything mope the leading priori*, 'tee WI Alarms THOMPSON Word it the Awakens were pre pared to redpresate ? Mr. L&HOUCIUIBM.—Mr. Baceroft hes told are that if we drake& to ease iota a werworka kelvin the soak log trade, be irreeld slue k learapew. (Ohms) My &sewer woe then vela set rirlielpale the dation of the Hews of Ocarame, and kat the setter w. Debra parlio. seat, lot hem the maw et Kr. Bearrek I serreladed that the geretkowel at the Vetted Skase is to Sew epos their eserdft trade la the = wesser I has demand Sr the ANS% (Hear, hear.) I oil met_ Hem ` say farther balk ea Weer pries, be. lbwiesthe _s will be mere saitable meee kr *dr dirberskol wM only amide br aostOta the bean that II Went, ea the "plonk at Is 1111 boa Meted, that ocemerlel optima wa, la one wale, asd this the whey mil hisser etlhe we*, wore la ths other, sly risks weatd:riz lAdeolkkL Bat the wore I bays amt. dare g d the the ewe Ina esa•lassi that Ws lara. rams .melee-, this .wiree ribkh diatirkes wos rroldellsee, wok mond, ear isishise : wee. ma kdir Misr dos distal* the Wrodo, WM= et empire. I_ vela sawed the at the hook le the ped kr whisk we Mod with resod re es eilethe. I biplane this .at to Mums way ssowerery delay to sow sibi t a ii to thz . arglatsessz with to a t i terseetsits sad pewevinees whi ch isrporteare of these tessererellellyjartile. (Her, bear.) I have bw mot *Mad kg the sworwts, *sob kw _sight hca. arsoker Illeethed, that wee intik Musks sir kw Wiwi= Odom who Med with kir te kisrpere wry eir• oolleas sr more Sea wen wassasty kr the tall b rad ibir ell the I Omit that the dia ries's. is ski eilfset will be oradected la a that of leisio, aad esrarkly hope that the dens e l se lease a s the ame n q will be me as to imam our sal- swikeatti seamen's Id. I that there is no gaieties mfad, with EN aseeentile marine that son urgently r a etttkont this the state of tbe had. It ts its diegehlee ese ropkily feenealag, and nay year we podpene grappling .11b Ws dilleak and important ass. we esly images the snlesimint dfasety of 'anaectement, and I tin add the pmelblity of a vast berthas Wag thrown uhlEstify epee the eventry. I in troduced a bell on this grablem, aim, ha the mine of Ws .melee, lessided on the report of a ecestainks whisk bed exhibited the imbue sasibalig sad ability in Lis know *Wks. I seediseei the roped so veinal& that I tbseght it noesseisy_te give It Meet la the slope of a bill. I must erases Shot Ile seimption which that ammo lad mt. both by then eceasseed with the mergaatile owl 1 wal eke add with the nuitidne blowouts - walk the peels of England, was sot seek as to sessurogo as poineure with that MIL I Mau ineeklly mesideret the dale MOO since, and I hive is tlikpremel euj to is- Wiese a Featly altered ausenre, lbeeded mg Manse its unifited, I hops, with • proper re-sareageseent of samma's fond, and eo4,M slog with an as , eissiment to pisote the welfare of the seafaring misle d= of We saieWay. (Rear, bear.) I bye to Inketleee that =emu dm at seek a period of the mien es will enable yes to unekkelet details in the fullest maws. lea ensil ing, I essike, Ms latroduce measures of this kind until I see die question of the navigation laws making some progress dusegit the Yeas, because I do sot like to throw too many Dili es the table at ens time. I a het, my eawllligetel arises from an indbmesities to introduce lee many bills until one has be int &ma of (Hear.) A noble friend of Rine sow present, sae of the lards of the Adinirelty, her, darks the been in with pro Weal use,and he has aareliDy cow 21queetfes of the towage of ships, and he wifl sherdy have a Meilen prepared, which be will inteedue is the present swiss, and which he hopes will woes Uses object thus now made to the existing system. Ido net know that I seed add anything more to what I have already said except to express a hops that the statatents I have made will, in the wain, be eatlakeury to those interested in this feminism question. The resolution which I will place in the heeds of tie chairman is midifled from the one o( lest yea, in order to bring in ea addition. That addition is this : " abed to emend the laws relating a the mastic bade of the United Kingdom' ; " but I hope list that Whim will met induce the right hon. gendsms opposies (Er. Henke) to open the digestion at presort, booms say am. patinas& who does not agree to the pdas et the reeentka now, will sot be la any wale debased Imia opposing It hereafter. (Applause ) The CHAIRMAN riad the resolutios - is basic me ft le inedieet to move the restrietteas whish pant the hie mielese et - vests ad from the Vatted ithedook and the kWh pometleos erd le eaelod the taw WOW, to the =lois et lese WWI to wok by Noemty to Osumi is X i t s eteememe ss.w = the to mead the Imre be the leetherotima otMpe sod theamth Mr. HERRIES —Sir, the right hon. gmelemeabas placed me in a situation of sine embarrassment with to the course which I ought to pumas oaths present If the right hon. gentleman had thought prim to acquaint us with that addition which he peep., to make by way of alteration te the MOMS which he submitted to the house in the lost atomics of parliament, I druid usembeedly have .sawed my observations to that poet sf the fiesta' alone; end should not have thought it nomeary is widow on. wed le the boom upon the groat gtae 1 gasesion whisk this view site. bivalves. But the gendssessi bee thought it aseessuy to eater late se a estemest Inushieg these greaseless upon whisk weave se essesehily divideligem this seism that it weed be impossible tor me to seder his A sereatiese to pass without some notice, at hest, from this ids of the 11011•14 (Hear.) I had hovel very mask that the alteration to be proposed in Hie resslutien of last year would have beta of a better ihemiptimt then that which the right hon. gentleman has new preposad. I hod hoped that it would hays been a step in the right I. meths, sad that he bad made an arrangement with the Americas goverment for a fair exchange of advantages, la wing to this gauntry the privilege of the trade upon the American lout, in exchange for the viler' of the seating trade upon our coast ; and, if had ben et, I would have been perfectly gadded with that erns:gement. (Bear.) But now it stands in this way, which I do not at all confess is an engagement. It stands in this way—that yeast° strip ourselves of the right, of the sole, exclusive tight, of navigation, of commercial in terest., with our own colonies; that we are to surrender also, by act of parliament, the privilege we enjoy with other nations of communicating the coasting trade with this country, limited, as the right hon. gentleman proposes, is exchange for a vague expectation that we may hereafter ' receive permission to carry on the cosstiartrade with America. Now, I think the coasting trade with Amiss is of essential advantage ; and considenng that at = they carry their restrictions to this extent, that an skip cannot kad upon any of the eastern ports of Aseedea, sod cannot communicate with California; that a et 10,000 miles cannot be made because it is consid ered coasting trade on that side of that rad continent; I think the removal of that obstruction, in consideration of our giv ing an equivalent right to the eoastingtrade upon our own coast, is something of an exchange. But then it is no such thing. As at _present informed, it is no such thing. (Hoar, hear.) We propose to abandon by law our exclu sive privilege, our navigation laws and our oseedng trade, not to America alone, but to all other men trim ; for France and Holland may use it, pre. Ailed, I suppose, that they concede similar privileges to us. But that is not by any means the case. (Hear, hear.) We have no power te carry on the coasting trade on the coast of France. The French would not allow it ; and by this cos. situation, which I believe to be the most faulty part of the construction of the awash:, of the right hon. gentleman, we are placed in this position—that while we surrender to all other countries those privileges which we enjoy, the ex clusive right to trade with our colonies—the right of trading, to a certain extent limited, upon our asst—that while we surrender to them the long voyage, protected as it is at present by our navigation laws—that, while we do all this, we only reserve to ourselves a power hereafter, it they do sot make similar concessions to us, which most of them can sot do, for they do sot possess them—(hear, hearl— ef retaliating In In that case, it is understood should EageAres:tlistoey sa thinks P :s eP s:l o s e vil s reg ke ard to the coanietries te make the coacessiosi ; and *la I held to be a vicious part, and a dangerous part, of the construction of the present WI. (Hear, hear.) There are 'tates extremely de limits ef availing themselves of the privileges we ate about M &swim ; bat they have Dot manifested in any of their peessedinge—and we have no right to think thi y will here after manifest—the slightest approach to any &position to reepresee this privilege. (Her, hear.) We shall be put la this position with respect to France by your mea sure. If Pianos refuses and there is not the slightest reason to suppose the will do other wise than refuse to adopt similar regulations on her part, and if she does that, you sr* then in this position : you will retaliate on Pianos, and take from her what you give to all other nations. What will France answer Why, she will naturally say, " We do not understand this. Yon have taken off these reetrietions. For what ? For your own benefit. (Hear, hear.) For your own advantage. (Hear.) Yon have not done it for our benefit and advantage ; and shall you then say that, because we do not happen to think as yen do, you will make us as exception to your general rule of intercourse ?" Your prosent sours* is vicious. It Is fall of danger, because it is likely to create sal:amity between you sad other states; and to that part of your propositioe when we come to discuss it, I will be prepared to o ff er the most strenuous opposition. (Applause.) Now sir, the right boo. gentleman has satzethard late the discussion today—and he hailed poet seem ea M es being feoeuable, m he thinks, to ids usgement—lhesee of we teludirs; end I nest um he, I hit sespehei dot Anon should have bete any doped ties en his part es ends epee time emblem (Hear, hear.) He mks, " Would yen, by esetbseing year navigation laws, deity the colonise emspendsia t" You , her Itsiesty's exaspe ration. ! Tem 'helms driven sham to exaspe ration. bear.) Yee, who - thought nothing of them in thele elutes (How, hear.) You, vibe by roar acts wesigned the actually to rain ! (Hear, hear.) You now seine down to the house to abandon a great na tional peed*, because yea say that if you do not surrender that great nadonal le =lie yea exasperate she colosies glair, hear, tai . Why, language like that corm hem yes is lamellae meld scarcely have equated. ear, hese) If yea are distermined not to exasperate this., give this that jest 'smears ef protection whisk is red wily geed fee duke fatalists, geed nes tab , foe their penstisel interests, but hr the greater laterals of hu manity,and which is lee to then on every mead of jos tles. (Hee.) Remesabse the tarts made fa this Moe to Lases yyoouu to relax term& issemres, and give them mist- MOS. iemtale the sleuweera kiwis ; and when you leek i peureenftest i dies stoma it inward to me that these is wasslbisi dm Minds to Mahe ti us about exas mating the esimiss. (Hear, and applums.) Now, the relit he.. isedrema hes noticed the sae of Coeds with all that esedeums, fimakams, and franca which I have always doing es his past; bat be . has not told the whole of the slay, ace Se lisif of it. (Hear, Moe.) The right honourable geelleman left out the yen meet ensued to the wee .of Csaede, whet is, that all *see masonseeness have their heeded= in this, that yea hens eased to Canada by poseisthe duties. (Hose.) They sa Give us bock see is, of protection, end we may be melded," ior at hp b eeso a away their poised's'. they watt it bask SIM Ikon' will nut heads aseseihes sh the semi of th they e animism Isom How, the right me hem geatisnmathemli have soli this their inmenstramsm were huildei de Ms bet that yes Ispived Mss of their peewee/ dulisk fee it hikers as a wetter ef Nurse the* if you an t=4e mere Mir dads, they will not be vary to the of the asegatioa laws. Bat there is ameba thing, this is net by say muss lace the lest resenatessee slat ever by Lois Lea. The. wet a paha babe that, of which Lord. Grey takes no valise, and that was a defamed of a vary Mimes* obseestse tram the preemie That required pressed's- Met bet. mad adimmisps whisk might be disbud heaths swell et the nevigdien s a m et it fistimele steed thee the Oass dims manta Lied Grey takes se Aides of that, mid beta gm M lie mise were mot to he emeperatsd, breM4elfe BMWs pyle sot to bare bellowed al t pete thoi are, Is mist inisilsnt. Ton must look back to the pooled whim they wee eelginally enacted, and came deem to the pretend limo, sad pea mast ansider the various Mwho weighed si dome eseililerations which you now s n the balsam, who Nimbi their minds to all these talks which now mem is lie at the foundation of the arguments for a reversal of the navigation code, who, haulm all these matters under their consideration, stillameloil mid eentinued the navigation laws, and ;at must dhpos of all that mom of authority before you arrive at the maids& that these laws ought to be repealed. The his. gimisabor & c oil p roceeded to quote as anthwitiss is devour of his views, Washington, Mada me end Mr. himself, and went en to say: Moir, sir, I will set detain the house, bemuse I will siege into lengthened arguments upon the subjects ent. lgossil in a measure which we are to discuss in detail. Bat I we take the liberty of stating the grounds upon which, so Sr as I can form a judgment on them, we must come to thesrminadon with respect to the measure of her Majesty's government--and I will now state where I will take my stand against this measure. I will not consent to the admission of foreign nations into an unreserved commie del intercourse with our colonies. (Applause.) There le no state that ma give us any consideration in return for war shamleanamd et our exclusive intercourse with our co lonise. Time is no sate that can give 111 ea equivalent. Therefor miles that has a right to do so. When Has- Idemm diesessed this question he maintained, on the highest pseud, that no nation should interfere be tween we end our colonies. (Applause.) The right leasuselis gentleman went as to say, that in trading with we solonies we were trading with our own port,— our pelnelple being to secure for the long voyage the carriage of ulky articles. No nation could say we had not a right to do that. By that policy we had made the mer cheats of his country seek valuable importers. and by it aimed the mosarnetion of so many docks, and the building of so many warehouses. In a word, made this country the emporium of the world. Abolish the laws under which we did that, and we at ones hasuded the trade and shipping we enjoyed, and to which we had an exclusive right. He main tained that it was the interest of all Europe that it should be so ; and that there was no country so fitted sa England be being the great emporium at the:world. He would not eigem to giving a power to the government to relax the law is miseptiomd eases. As regarded Asia, Africa, and Anis- Zits would uphold • strict exclusiveness; and as re. Europe, le would act on the principle of re elproofty, mutual interest, and amicable arrange anent. Haskisson, sreek b ig of the United States, ob. served that .• in matters of navi ga tion and naval power there exists towards us a spirit of rivalry in the United States, a spirit of which Ido not complain but whisk should lead every one to doubt the wisdom o f ? any reassure that e arm raged the growth of the marine of America." (Hear, hear.) He wished that the ministers who professed to be so bad of Mr. Haskisson's opinions, would pay more regard to that principle. If they carried this measure, the foreign navi gators would have every advantage—our own colonies in eluded—end emeptiag only the coasting trade, which we d all ova the world, while English capitalists would Crlnduced to invest their money in foreign vessels as the cheaper instrument to work with, thus seriously injuring British seamen, shipwrights, and others. He had the authority of Mr. Wigrain for saying that if the navigation laws were abolished the capital invested in shipping would be transferred to other countries. He could not allow this opportunity to pass without stating, not in detail but gene rally, the grounds on which he was determined to offer to the proposition his most determined opposition. (Hear.) • Mr. DRUMMOND said he had found throughout the sseatry great misapprehension as to the real nature of this meeenre. He would act go through the details of the smasare. It had been stated that day that we were to have fo.eign timber instead of cilonial timber, fore igneawyers in stead of British, foreign shipwrights instead of British.(Hear.) He might in fact go through the whole catalogue of labour in the same way—all being done for the advantage of mercantile men and the Manchester cotton spinners. The country considered it to be a question of more trade and commerce. But it affected essentially and much more the elms of labourers in this country than any other question that could be named. (Hear. hear.) Mr. HUMS had never heard a statement that more mu , rised him than that made by the hon. member who bad Past sat down. That hon. gentleman took upon himself to say that this was the lad of a series of measures proposed by the Manchester school, all of which were or would be attended with injury to the labouring man. How could he reconcile that with the motion that the p rice of the labour. leg man's food was reduced by these measures. [Mr. Drummond.—But the wages ?) (Cheers.) Wages until a few days ego had not undergone any reduction, and that was in the agricultural districts. ( " Hear " from the pro tectionists )) He had heard of their being reduced hem 91. to Be. and is. in the south ; but that reduction of the wages of the agricultural labourer was not clawed by the series of measures alluded to, and was altogether independent of them. What was it that gave labour and wages to the mass of the people ? Increased employment. And what was the cause of inceeased employment ? Everything which brought additional trade and commerce to the country. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gentleman (Mr. Hades) admitted that there was no country so well calculated for being the trading emporium of the world as England, and yet he would restrict her trade with the world by upholding the navigation laws. He (Mr. Hume) contended that the industry of this country bad been shackled by various monopolies, and that their removal, whether in corn or shipping, mut be beneficial to England. Why should not our colonies have the metes of send ing:ont their produce and merchandise on the best terms. All the evidence taken up stain on the subject went to prove that if we removed the fetters which now bound the applica tion of capital we had nothing whatever to fear. He would say then let our English ships compete with foreign, and foreign ships with ours. He saw nothing to prevent our carrying trade from being conducted with the same care and prudence in our own as in foreign ships—he saw nothing in our shipwrights to prevent their competing with foreign ship wrights, and if there was any impediment on the British sailor he would say remove it. He thought it an impediment not to allow him as many apprentices as he wished. He would not allow of their inferiority in any respect. and he therefore asked the house sot to prevent English ships, English tailors and Englishleapitaliste from competing with every part of the world. His right hoe. friend thought we had not the power of competing with foreigners. That he (Mr. Hume) denied. He also denied that America had refused to reciprocate with us. Mr. Bancroft, the American minister, had presented a letter to Lord Palmerston, stating that respecting every con cession and the removal of every impediment the American government were prepared to give perfect reciprocity. His right hen. friend was driven to nth difficulty for an argu ment that he referred to a report of a committee on light houses, of which he (Mr. Hume) was chairman, and said that that report recommended protection to the British navy. But his right ken. friend had not told the real truth upon that subject. The question had nothing what ever to do with the navigation laws, nor with any competition between this country and any other, but related to the competition of railways as against the coasting trade. British ships were paying 6 per oent. on the carriage trade for the lighthouses, while the railways were exempt from any such chirp, an d thought that such an Impediment was unjust and ought to be removed. He was not therefore in hvour of but against restrictions, in using the word proteetica. He was decidedly of opinion if the evi ' dencelNWe them be true that the navigation laws were suet injurious to the country, and that the t were now doing what would promote the p ty of the country sg full scope to capital and f employment to our and tesimaterially totheimproventeatofouroolonies. _...- • - - • - Mr. 0. BAMIDIS said, the hon. member who had just sat dews bed sanded to the low pries of food ; but what was the advenlige of that to the litreu, ft he could get no mosey ea May it I (Hear, hoar.) That was the question which appeared to Ma to arise on the pentad atm non. Hs bed been street with that pert of the introductory 'peaof the right hen. gentleman Mr. La boueoherewalowhia Mated that the lawmen of Amides wore hus ma diligent son, alibi theat at this 'sentry, whose Meer he passed le emmende, were of a mal site demallen—MlNl 111111 WWI ONVIiiRe unlawful enl hostel aseshimatisns te mho ea aim be Imposed to ethenbee ma by diem Into titian ask the Mounts Amseim ( , beer.r . 4 yam no insouragement M them wise has to live by their la bour to tido ninny and iM masurred with the boa. =MP bar for Surrey (Mr. Drummond) that this was the last of a wise a asemives all divested against the labour of this otrontry. (Hoar, hear.) The principle was sow to be adopted of baba everything la the cheapest market —Mom masa* the rest ; and the free-tr,d . Wks was olserly a series et ammo he the s of the labourer, of which this weal /wbabl~ the I last, biome na no further Win seal be indicted. The WWI, illbg be bm~ by this zaware bat was that Midst* te mentsaideme the evil it would in- Met ? And weal set the mamba annett _ rather wait for that turn in pin Milan, tibia wse rapidly bi to give them a Whir 11111 i MOM eident system efZei l t e i Ca THOMPSON said that awn two tides of an amembly like th at deelend Ina very oppodts opiates, sod each with snob bided in thefr truth, it almost always hap. period *a same prialpie had been overrated, or at last not hiety mini and hid open in the ems of contest. He appended Wes was a ratunderstandier on the op posite disot theheme es to the principle ad& his side of dm hawse matelebed. In simple words, they maintained that protection, emu from which tide it woad, always meant giTing a shilling for sixpennyworth ha return. Oa that het they were quite ready to stake any credit with the country whisk tAey pomemod ; and if they had any such credit (and they lad este), it vim entirely because the large eremite' of the country had been thoroughly indoctrinated With that pried* They did not believe that to give a 'billies to ream tepees in rota* was, or could be or ewe was, or ever would be, either sound policy or "AM ammurcial wisdom. (Hear, hear.) The ',halo Teethe resolved heel( into this : semi mane industry was to be put a stop to, in order to increase the produce of some other man's industry, with the UM° quid, it he might so call it, of seaseng being denied as the rise of the ads-named protection. (Haar.) Was it not that every omnibus which received it. sixpenny ha put down one of the venerable hackney-coachmen, who proposed to do the era work far la. ed. (Hear, - heir. hear.) Why was Shit stquieoul hi by ... nn - - THE EXPRESS, EXPRESS, THURSDAY Ettlir, FEBRUARY - lq. 184? ,! t-- \ P.. ' " , . - - to Matoshisd ear, demiltßa% 'and 3o obt- the last.. 'Ober.) 'SOW. et., I I ..... MO ~ id OS &thefts thetas righebon., t 7, d• ' Thi ( tdiiN'dy t iettm Tellsiiieed tt i tip to 't c hare to he die a ... .' Me 1141"1 'lsals dadads td pain 0 • ad he his II . - , v to neeestres, , altbiliqh tilt fp ti p tal pie I mud ot the the ma Pd dinirl nt be x.i. ofrectlvi it may )-11 Use mud prima* li 11.6 ineila• of T r aill eedddiY lNt lk tor 47 lof der amnesiac laws, it is acressery I should state that it I, Wended to isle a seatement. first to the is era that fundamental principle *is measure must stand a idea. the lest te Won I laid on e table a or fell. (Hoer.) I must recall the attention of the g • gaspostin= and I latemied in *woman of tones to Mat pert of , the guestkm, the aunt imential it this to selideeeses it with sums altsretions, to toe with retirees* to the navigation levernasely, why a and sl e Ztiee hope of lisingbg it speedily to a swam- they were made ant why they were retained ? Sir, the his- ' fel lime: The tutus tjestittbrery impeotentane of Ste tort of t h e nav i ga ti on lm s, from the time that they became . ..._.. _ . cft 849. the other side? Truly, because they had a that that shilling saved was not thrown into the river, but was 'speeded in some industry or ether. It might go to the butcher, the grocer, or the pastrycook ; bet to some industry or other it was sure to go; sad it was the same to industry in the mgreaste as if it went to the industry of the hackney esedunan. But there was something more : the man who went to the butcher, the grocer, or the peetryooek, got some *ins far his shilling • in she other one he did not. It was ttwrlich made the difference, and turned the balance in of free trade, which permitted omnibuses to run sisal) ear streets, and put down all chance of a successful essielemes from the haelmey-coachmen. Were gentlemen egrieffie to ask these honest fellows themselves if there was egig propriety in putting down omnibuses, in order to peo n* their trade, he believed they would demur to such a step ; at all events, if asked whether they thought there was my chance of a successful resistance on that point these he- MO fellows would rub their brows and my, " We wish Met we might get it." (Laughter.) He week invite hon. gentlemen opposite to try the experiment in reference to the working , classes of this country. Let them say to those Meer, ' You have a trade which cannot live by itself; but here are two or three other trades which, if pat down, might prop up yours to your satisfaction." He doubted why, her they would get twen Ti, men to sanction such • proceeding ; re he doubted whether would net be revolted by **glar ing injustice of thew pro_ pond or if not, b_y the utter improbability of anything like sumer. Then it was said that we ought not to encourage foreign labour. Neither would he if it diminished English labour. (Cheers from the protectionists) He hoped hon. gentlemen op to would take away with them the Arm conviction and knowledge that the *Oen on his side the house was, that all pretext of dimOishing labour was a delusion and a mistake, utterly unfounded. (Hear, hear.) They contrived to forget the fact, that wherever they apparently increased English labour in one direction, they mallibly (and the free-traders were there ready to prove it) diminished and destroyed English labour in some other direction. If the protectionists could prove the contrary, every man on his side the home-ton the much-maligned free-trade bench, at at events—would be ready to vote with them. He would apply himself only to one point more —the necessity of keeping up the navigation laws for the sake of the defences of the country. The principle of this was, that it was worth while to give a shilling for six pennyworth in return, in order that we might have a mei , cent& marine whence to take meliorator the navy. If any gen tleman would close with them upon that, and say that a was politic, wise, and necessary to do this, in order to have sailors for the navy, he believed the ground of debate would be considerably diminished. But though there was unde niably a connection between an extensive mercantile marine and • naval form, that was not everything; there were other sources on which a military marine must depend. It must depend, smog other things, on the general wealth of the country. If they made a poor country,—if they took the course of paying everywhere a shilling to get sixpence in return, be knew no more ready way of rendering the country unable to meet the expenditure nee...miry for mili tary and naval exertions. Bailors were a greet deal, but not everything they might buy even • sailor too dear; and keno not true that there was any existing connexion between the necessity of buying sailors at this excessive price, and the having a navy manned to the extent which wee de manded. But naval officers were better able than he to speak on this subject; and he would conclude by pressing on the house whether there was any such real and absolute noes ' sity, before they consented to the process recommended to ; them, of paying, even for British sailors, at so excessive a rate as a shilling, when a' ce was to be the value received In return. He assured hon. gentlemen oppo site that free-trade principles did not rest on the strength of their advocates alone ; it wee because they had the advan tap in the country, because the majority of the country was with them in their opinions ; and they were perfectly ready to bring to any decision that might be proposed the trial of , their strength. (Hear, hear.) After a few words from Mr. HILDTAII), I Mr. EICAEDO said the more he heard this men sant diecussed by hon. gentlemen opposite the more was he puzzled to know the principle of their opposition. Honourable gentlemen opposite admitted that the relaxation of these laws would be a boon to com merce; but said the question ante whether it would so far destroy our royal navy as to reader us less able to defend our selves than we now were. That question came rather sus piciouly from ship-owners, who were directly interested, as they imagined, in the maintenance of these laws ; but the nght hon. member for Stamford might fairly take that ground. But were we absolutely depen dent _on these laws for the maintenance of our . navy ? That question he should be prepared to discuss when the debate came on ; he would not go into the details now ; but would simply observe that our existing laws were either too much or too little restrictive. It was in evidence before both committees that the mercantile marine of this country no longer maintained the supremacy for which it was once celebrated; and that the merchants of this couttry were advised by their correspondents not to ship articles in British ships if they could obtain foreign bottoms. (Hear, hear.) Either, then, we must protect the export as well as the im port trade, or these laws were doing a positive injury ; for shipowners were induced to lean upon these laws, and trust to them. Complaints were now made of light dues, pilotage, and the laws regulating apprenticeship; but none of these I things would ever have been heard of if we had bad an open trade; shipowners would never have submitted to them, bad not they been told, in answer to their complaints, that they were protected by having a monopoly of the trade of the world; and, of course, sooner than lose whet they considered their protection, they were willing to submit to these things. Thus had they bean rendered inferior to those nations over whom they were sup. dor. After this had gone on five or six yams, hon. gentlemen opposite said, " Oh, you must not take away the protection ; see how the tonnage of England has fallen off compared with that of other countries ; it must be protected, for it cannot compete with them." Hence, every year more and more protection would be required, as the inferiority increased ; and it would increase, if, Instead of seeking to raise our shipping to the level of that which was superior, we sought, by absurd re. strictions, to bring the other down. (Hear.) He hoped 900 U to see the day when we should *end forth our ships free as the winds, and when shipownen and shipmasters would be told to depend on their own energies as Englishmen, and on the resources and wealth of this country, and not on acts of parliament, which encumbered them with oppressive re gulations at home, and placed them under disadvantage s abroad. (Hear.) Mr. Ald. THOMPSON said it had been asked what the gentlemen on his side the house wanted. They wanted a consideration for that valuable advantage which they were going to surrender to other nations. There were some articles of produce of South America, which might, by a prudent regulation, be admitted into this country, which would . give facility to commerce, and not interfere with the principle of oar navigation laws. It was said that the American minister had expressed the readiness of his country to reciprocate any advantages we might give ; but what con. cession could the United States give us in comparison to the grad advantages which we were about to surrender to them ? So general was the apprehension throughout the States of further restrictions being imposed on tho products of foreign industry, that in the contracts now making the condition was almost universally attached, that the goods imported should only be subject to the tariff now in existence ; show ing that there was a general expectation of an additional duty being imposed on our manufactures by the new govern ment. Looking at the geographical position of the United States, it was quite clear that they had very great advan tages for the transport of the sugars of Hayannah, Brazil, and Porto Rico for the consumption of this country— an important consideration, now that the dudes on for eig n and colonial sugars were nearly identical. They had free trade with China. The trade with that coun try was carried on in manufactured articles sent from Eng land. But let them once destroy the navigation laws, and the consequence would be that goods would dis place British manufactures. (Hear, bear.) He would now pass to Spain and Holland, and what did be find there ? He held a letter in his hand from a gentleman, who stated what he saw under hie own eyes, namely, two Newels at Manilla, one Spanish and the other English. The former was an inferior ship, but she was being loaded as fast as pos sible, whilst the English vusel was lying idle, although the one was asking a muck lower freight than the other. This enigma was, however, fully explained when he was informed that the Spanithvessel was aitted at a duty of 121 per cent., whilst the English vessel had to pay 25 per cent. duty. That fact clearly showed the system that e xist ed in Spain. He begged to know from the right hon. gentleman whether he could give the house any information on this subject as regarded the Spanish government. The system of the Dutch also was so stringent as to prohibit all trade with Java, for English ships had to pay a duty of 30 per cent., sad Dutch vessels only 10 per cent. Now with regard to Frau, : it was known full well that they opened the whole seal laid of England to Fiance free of duty. But two years ago the Francis government in their contract introduced a stipulation that the coal exported from England to France should he in French ships; and lately the republican government, is their contract respecting the trans admire of the main, required that the coals should be carried in French bottoms, and, more ex iseri still, that the coals for the French pee s taltqcs should not be allowed into Malta—a British possession—except in French ships. There was no pretence then for saying that foreign countries were approaching to a more liberal system of trade. With regard to Canada, of ' , which the right hon. gentleman said so much, so complete an answer had been given by the right hen. gentleman, the membertfor Stamford , that he need notrefer to it. He did not see how the repeal of the navigation laws could in any de gree improve the condition of the Canadians. But, after all, this was not • sbowaer'e ore ship builder's question. It was • great national question. He felt the vast importance of thW subject in • national point of view and therefore he traded that the house, viewing it in all its consequences, would not be induced to pass it. (Hear, hear.) Mr. MITCHELL said that ono or two fallacies having been endowed by the high mercantile authority of the hon. gentleman who had jut sat down—so gross, however, that be was astonished they should come from each • gentleman —he rose, contrary to his previous intention, for the purpose of noticing them, The ern was that a redaction of freight Would net incases the amount of goods coming to this many, and coonsequently would not canes • reduction of price. The reductions in freight by the gentleman who originally broached this argument was estimated at 26 per amt. Now, a reduction of 26 per cent in freight upon allgoods coming from all quarten would be a profit In itsff, and would cause a greater Importation of into this country than would otherwise take place. [Dods was acquainted with an article in which, within the last three months, there was an increase of one-thirtieth on the whole consumption, and the reduction in the price of that article was 20 per oent. That was an instance of the effect of a small increase of the article in price. The effect of a reduction in freight would lead to an increase ofimportation; that again would affect prizes, and the consumer would have the basalt. The next argument of the boa gentleman was !NV' ~~ . ' . ,N,L ‘, S. ''‘'''' dus—that the navigation laws of Spain, Holland,andF were rather more stringent than those of this country. B u t • had the restrictive system of these countries been of any see. • vice to them ? Quits the reverse. The mercantile manag e d Franc* and Spain was going to decsy—that of Holland was tot propes-ing. There was no letter pr, of of that then the fact that almost the whole coasting trade between thm country and Holland was carried on is English yen* (Hear, bear.) As regarded Spain, there was an extra dos goods conveyed in English bottoms; but not w i the restrictive state= of that country nearly the athot7 g f the sugar brought from Cuba was brought in English olds & (Hear.) The restrictive system therefore in those coannlie where it was most stringent bad proved itself a peat ev4 He was glad to find from what had fallen from the right hoe. gentleman the member for Stamford, and the hon. gentle. man who spoke last, that both had given up the whole ems as regarded damage to the shipowner. (" No, se) Both those hon. gentlemen clearly stat e d th at what they wanted was perfect reciprocity. What did that mean btu that if the shipowners had perfect reciprocity, they could with ell the shipowners in th e world? That was giving up the whole case, as the opponents of the ammo put it last year. Mr. ROBINSON after speaking of the imponibtlity et the British shipbuilder competiog with the foreigner, w en protected, contended that the impediments which our navi gation laws imposed operated only as against foreign e ms . MOM, not against British. The present tonnese of the United States was now nearly equal to that of England, sag what difference there was would soon dwindle away if this measure pained. Mr. J. WILLIAMS supported the bill, believing it would tend to give inereasad employment to the people. Sir J. TYRELL maintained that the abolition of waft tion had lowered the condition of the labourers and adibut to the burdens of the poor rate, and that this bill would further increase the evil. Mr. LABOUCHERE said he did not rise to make any comments on the speeches which had been made, or to treat the question again on its general merits. He wished, simply, to hike that opportunity of stating that dwind the recess tie government had thought it right to communicate to foreign powers the general character of the measure which was in troduced lest Pinion, and a declara , ion that it was intended to introduce a similar one in the present torsion ; the object of that step being to obtain from foreign powers in return a statement of the course which they were disposed to take with regard to navigation. The papers on the subject would in a short time be laid on the table of the house, in order that hon. members might hove One for considering th em previous to the second reading. (Hear,) The Marquis of ORANBY held that our naval anputect,, depended on the maintenance of the navigation laws , - the e l ; peal of which would in no way benefit the public at large. Mr. J. O'CONNELL supported the resolution. Mr. HENLEY wished to know whether or not be had rightly understood that part of the government maim which had reference to the coasting trade. He had under. stood the right hon. gentleman to state in effect that en American vessel might, under the provisions of that bill, cei her arrival at Southampton discharge a part of her cargo la that port, take in fresh goods, and then proceed to Louden, or any other English port, and that a French steam" coming from Havre might call at Ramsgate, and take in Cl:niers before she proceeded to another English port. wished to know whether that view was correct. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that undoubtedly under the plan which he proposed to introduce, an American veal would be able to all at one port, takes in a cargo, and thin proceed to another pert ; but she would not be able to ear/ on a regular to.and-fro coasting trade. The resolution was then agreed to ; sod the home hoist resumed, a bill founded thereon was ordered to be brought in. Mr. BERRIES expressed a hope that the next sto would not be fixed until ample time had been gives form. mining the papers which had been referred to by the Pro. attain of the Board of Trade. WAYS AND MEANS. On the order of the day fur going into committee of Ways and Means, Mr. GOULBURN said he wished to put a question to the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer. At the close of the last session, parliament, inconsequence of the distressed state of the West India islands, granted to them loan, on certain conditions as to repayment. Among the is. lands entitled to the benefit of that loan was, of Jamaica; and the right hon. gentleman was no doubt aware that, owing to the distressed state of that island, and to the circumstance that it was already encumbered with debt s which there were no means of discharging, the colonists were unable to avail themselves of the benefits intended fir them by her Majesty's government. The loan hawing been designed to Improve the condition of the colony, by en. couraging the immigration of labourers, he swished to ask whether, seeing that the colony had, for the reason which he had stated, declined to accept the loan, the government proposed to accomplish the original of jest of the roan by any other mode. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER regretted that hie right hon. friend had not given him notice of Ws intention to put the question. He was not aware that say island was unable to accept a portion of the loan. No a& vance, he believed, had yet been made ; but he would take care to inform himself as to the facts. Mr HUME said considerable anxiety existed with refer ' ends to the budget. He did not know whether the right hon. gentleman (Sir C. Wood) could then state at what period he would bring it forward; but he hoped he would soon be in a position to do so. Tnose who felt an interest in the financial state of the country wished to know, before any vete was taken, whether for the army, the navy, or any other great public establishment,! what mews were at the dieposal of the government ? The house then went into committee, and agreed to a vote of 8,000,0001. out of the Consolidated Fund. HABEAS CORPUS SUSPENSION (IRELAND) BILL. On the order of the day for the consideration of the repent, Mr. J. O'CONNELL hoped the government would not attempt to proceed with the measure, as by so doing the house would lose one stage of its progress so far Si discussion was concerned. . . Sir O . OBEY said, be proposed that the bill should pus through that stage, and that •he third reading should be the tint order of the day fot Friday, in order to allow ample time for debate..____ . . . Mr. J. O'CONNELL proposed that the report should be considered that day six months. The SPEAKER said, the hon. member could not move that as an amendment ; but according to a new rule of the house, if the hon. member had any clause to propose, it might be received. Mr. J. O'CONNELL would then move as a clause that of which he had given notice as an instruction. Sir G. GREY (it being then floc minutes to six) observed that if the hon. member spoke till six the order would of course stand over till next day. He might occupy the time of the house if he thought proper. Mr. J. O'CONNELL would feel great pleasure in doing so. (Laughter.) The hon. member then proceeded to ad dress the house, while nearly all the members instantly de. parted. He observed that when a bid of a much less stringent character was introduced in 1833 by gentlemm many of whom formed part of the present ministry it ma strongly °pm ed by the present Attorney-General. ministry hoe. gentleman took a prominent part in the opposition. He assisted Irish members in all their tactics. They frequently referred to him, and always found him ready with his advice and his speech. He awakened the echoes of the house with old traditions of the constitution of England ; and he (Kr. J. O'Connell) believed that the doctrines professed by the right hon. gentleman with his lips were deeply seated in by heart. Six o'clock havlog arrived, the hone. adjourned. Vie Orprego. MAILS. The West India MIK excluding Bermuda, Nowa, MMUS, Honduran, New Odeon, and Mexico, and including them he Madeira, Bt. Jaado.lflearegna, New Granada, Chili, and Fete, lii be nude op on the mania of the 17th Feb. The mails for Mg% Open% Lbbon, Idaddra. Cadiz, and Wallet will be made up rata' menhir of the 17th Feb. The nialb for Gibeelsr, Malta, Greece, the loan Wads, Aden, Goyim, India, Haag-Moog, and China, tie Bouthampton, lgr A be male op en the smenag of the 20th Feb. The iambs Ise lent& North Animus. mad the Babel la* will be anis up en the earning of the 23rd Feb. The El t eas Mansnia, to the Mediterranean, Egypt, SW* Osyka. Hong-Emeg, ha, will be made ttp on as mall ci the nth The sails be New Heath Wales, Van Dianna 's Land, sad NW Habig will be lands op so the "raft of the 28th Feb. The mak Dm the at Wathed Oast at sa and Madeira will be wade up ea The a Ur ces he the lad* and lam Aped, will he made up on the 111•1113( the 4tb March. 331011 WATEIt AT LONDON NAIDOA Time DAT —Kongo', 3WA prt 7, AlterApo., SS AIL Past I 11-11Isamasr —Milths& al Na past 7, Altera*" 21 ale. pail S. LONDON, THURSDAY, FEB. 15. Tan days are gone when mighty peers could force their way into the sovereign's presence, and compel the crown to pursue the policy they deemed nears- awry and wise : the days are gone when the owner et owners of a score of boroughs could go to the minis* of the day, and impose their will. Tories now, as well as reformers, must and do appeal to 'popular masses, and confess they can do nothing but by mow of such support. The popular mass to whom the landlords appeal are no otr than the farmers. At meeting at Southorpe the other day, a representa tive of the Marquis of EXETER spoke his lordshiß'n opinion, that the farmers should rise in a body, in order to petition the legislature to re-impose a tax on foreign grain. The farmers present liked the idea very well of rising in a body, but it should be, tiro,' thought, to petition the landlords against the game nuisance and against deficient farmsteads. All parties, indeed, protectionists and free trader!, epeem this, that the farmers should rise and pit' Um for that which they could command, and for that which would do them sensible good. The dif ference is, that the squires recommend a rising to benefit themselves ; the reformers recommend a movement that will benefit every class in the nation, all tax-payers, and especially the raisers sad consumers of barley, malt, and hops. The spin too were for malt tax reel, but it was only when they knew it to be impracticable. They called it a burden on the farmer, when they wished to make it as argument for the corn law. But now that aO7 • t ...a.— st ilob.., .