The Express. — London, England, 1849-06-15 00:00:00

1,„ PRIL—TiII WOO it 011 , lb= MUNI — I will Ming it es. SECLUSION OF STRANGERS. s r , a. O'CONNELL 'eked whether the sells lard at wad of the governasest wool Wisp w lie mines Ur 6 eider esmasittee en ;be emehries ef elasalsek and who a. he weed be disposed is emend the re* ef the ema pony nuivise to soselier the property of seminar( die m o n d* whieh provost despablierisa er the boson's pra tmerle Wd 7. RUMRLL did met dirk tires would be say abtrers te his bringlag is that modes in its regular . arms die ovilmig- raper to the sterna queers, b. thought re entire would be very likely to some under mossilention of the seassittee, sad they would this be able in Mon 'Pm NAVIGATIONBILL. Mr. LABOUCHERR would call the attention of the bow for a few aureate to this bill, which had come hams aces the ether bore. Had the lore' amendments been iv i sa pertanoe, he should have felt it his dap to propene thin they shard be printed, gad a day appointed far tt eir mesideration. But when he stated how few and trifling they were, be trusted there would be so objection to dealing w ith them at once. Ten only assoduent related to a poitt s i g getly discussed in that house. Is the original bill, it wax =d not to alter the law relating to the manning of ships, which /squired thtufwarthe of the 1w beet tbe British seam Afterwards a proviso dintroduced in the en. re way of knatioo, allow leg say sure of foreigners to ha employed where there was a certain proportion of British seamen be Ike tonnage. Gentlemen intimately connected with the shipping interest tad represented to him that this relax Sleigh entirely priories, would be objectionable to tle interest ; and as the prone° was intended solely fee the of the merchant service, he had withdrawn it, ea the undentand log .tat they did not wish for it. However, on farther con sideration, the same gentlemen who had applied to him to strike out the proviso were of opinion that it should remain. sad they requested a noble lord in the other house to re• introduce it. Tnis bad been does; arid as this was the only amendment in the bill, he hoped the hone would have no W in @treeing to it. He would therefore move that the lords' amendment to the Nafgation Bill should be taken late eowdaeration. Mr. HENRIES was sorry that the lords had made snob very slight amendments in the ;he would rather have erniessed in much larger chances. Capt. HARRIS thought it would be better to provide for 1 , our snipe being manned well by a bona fi de enactment than by a mere promo. The ameadment was agreed to. Oa the amendment relating to the number of men to be employed is vessels being read, Mr. WAWN said he should divide the house on this anmsdeset.t. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the words of the amend meats wi n exactly the same as those in the bill originally brought into the house, and which were struck out alter some diseussien. As the matter was of little importance, the power being altogether permissive, he hoped the hen. pi ties/a would not divide. Mr. BRIGHT rid he believed this was the clause which the right hon. gentleman took out it his request in com mittee. It was es remove an impression which existed in the minds it seamen that it win necessary to have four or five seamen on board for every 100 tons. Re bad bees speaking I to a captain, who explained to him the great mischief monk this impression had created. He believed that the clause, if struck oat, would leave the law as It was. What he desired ' meat° remove the false impend°. that 6 seamen were nem- ! Nary foe every 100 tone. He should prefer not to have tug dare inserted, but he would not divide the house or make ! say opposition to it. Mr. GIBSON hoped that the hon. gentleman would divide the ho n e, as the amendment we. merely verbuall. net The gentry was cleared lot a division, but none took place, sad the amendment was agreed to. CANADA. Oa the motive for the conaids ration of the postponed row lotion in committee of supply respecting the vote for enientd errors Mr. GLADSTONI said that the vote which the house bad just been called on so pas afforded ea appropriate oppose tarty for the observation' he was abut to maks on alums ties of vital interest to this rantry and to Canada. Wide re spud to the souses lie was shoat to take be begged to exp Lin last it might appear savage that he had nut added t t the gems& settee ea the parr, sere distinct notice whisk might shall-age sa expression of opinion on the part et the hors, that he did not do so heeler he did not think tbat be weld have placed is the books of the bone any moths ileatalang his owa views of the case , or pointing out the sour whir the government ought, in his °pita' .5, to have takes, wither haven provoked on this maxima mom thing of warm and bested discussion, at all mots. without liana' due something to prejudice that which he was, above all things, anzious to ST. eare—s dispseekrate, calm, sad tempente aring, spar from every consideratios of party baling, apart truss every consideration allied to peers, fir the uporttnt eastom involved in theques'ion betas them. (Her , h e m ) He did not attend to raise any disclaim spot the conduct of Lord Elgin, although he might have to refer to statements made by him, and to lamas °ninnies, is importaat respects perhaps different from his. But be should esdelously Lord Elgin, from giviag any judgment as to the esulact of Lord Elgin, and then sot merely on worst of the wares per soul regard which he bore to him and his administration for his dietiapreietted talent', but because he thought that Lord Iles bad an excessive share of reloasibility thrown epos rm. Lord Elgin stood alone and single-handed as the representative of the crown, and had Peen called on te do more than aay man in his position, without the distinct aid sad clear gui fun of the government at home, could properly arthare. He might be wrong in that view of the case, but be derived his impression from the Mogul(' of the hon. the UaderSecretary for the Colonies (Mr. who stated that it was not for that house to inter pees trisecting the esesidention of any legislative measure that might be presseded with in Canada till those legisla tive measures maw le this country fur the assent of the news. He (Mr. Gladsome) presumed that if it was not the business of pertinent to interfere, neither was it the duty of the colonial secret iry to give any iestrectiorregarding them. Be was therefore led to the isepresthie that eneeding to the doctrine of the celesta department it sow existed, the business of the Goversor-Oaneral IMO to judge for himself with regard to all measeres submitted to him ea his own responsibility alone, tied that his modest VW in no respect to be influenced from, hence till the messures were trans mitted home for the final disallowance or concurrence of the crown. If the matter were as he supposed it to be, them they veld not call the Governor-Geural to amount for the steps taken by him under such eireastaso s —in a position in which it was impossible for him adequately to discharge the duties which he owed to the colonists on the one hand, and to the crown on the other. (Hear, hen.) Now, he held it to be the first duty of a governor to inter pees and to cheek the action of the colonial advisers, and to make distinct reference home for his guidance when the question to be submitted involved not oily local but imperial Interests. He would pain by the appointments made to the legislative council, which, however, he believed exercised a fatal influence on the passing of this bill—he would pass by all questions connected with the conduct of the Canadian government in regard to the un fortunate and disgrace riots which took place in the capital of Canada, lie would only remark that the parties to that riot had been, whatever their nineties& were, the most eM. nut frieads to the progres of this mean= and if it should be finally sanctioned, who were the p a rtial to that riot would in a great degree have margined to it. He would nee pass over the mode in which the 100,00 W. to be given under the Rebellion Losses Bill was to be charged as a purely local question, and would confine himself entirely to the matter as it affected imperial interests, and any re ference he should make to Canadian parties would be rely incidental or übsidiary to that end. lie admitted at the ontret that the onus lay on hint to prove a case for the inter ference of parliament, ad to show why in this instance they should depart from what he acknowledged to be in general a sound maxim. lie called as parliament to inter fere, in obedience to a rule laid down be the noble lord (Lord 3. Russell), when Secretary of Stahl for the colonies, en a subject which had no reference toany existing difficulty which could bias his judgment. In • despatch of the noble lord to Lord fildecham, dated 14th October, 1839, it wee said, " the internal government ought to be epodes:tad not °sly for colonial purposes, but by colonial authorities." The sable lord proceeded to say, " but there are cases of internal government, in which the honour of the crown or the faith of pastries% et the safety of the state are se seriously in volved that it is not possible for her Majesty's governmeat to delegate higher authority to the ministry is the coleuy." It was upon the ground thus supplied by the mobile bed teat he now called on parliament to direst its special at tention to this question. Now in the questions whisk it was necessary for them to auk and answer ea this occasion these three were prominent int, am to the sot of parlament now before them which was *stifled "An Act to provide for the indemaifi attic& of poetise in Lower Canada who suffered just lessee during the rebellion in the years 1832 and 1838," was it intended to embrace within the proposal indemnificatim those who bore rata to their hands against her Major". forces during those years? (Hear, bear.) Presuming we to be the case, the second point was, whether this involved a local or an imperial question • and the third I point was, 'opposing it to be an imperial quirks, whether the prvoteed aadessaidmiliss wee ermeisteet, er at variance with the berm end dry due to the rows. (Hear.) He would see Mann the fiecoad sad third goes dens, mbar for the prase, Wesel he could sot conceive that say eestroverey could arise wen them In that house. He would, therefore, appl bimetal to the first voodoo, and be would a sk It was intended to embrace in this indeurilleslies those who had bone arms against her Majesty's Seem tarn the rebellion of 1837 mad 1838? He begged to abeam that he used them words in their mainary ewe. lie .atthink it required say meta . Phydeal subtlety to denudes Men a rebellion was, es , to de cide whether a perms who lei her Lira with a musket is band was • rebel or a mei emieset. (Rear, beer.) Ho wasted to know what was the erl ishindon of the act ? Wm it lateaded to give indemmigesYes te web& f Let him lave aye or as to the question. (Hre.) Is is gather evidemes oa the vital question whisk mud determine the whole are lie had to look to the est 104 awl when the set (riled es give light to extrusive sedleet. The set bogies by reekieg an addrete whim hod ham peeememi to Leal Metcalfe on the 28th gob., 1845, odd& MIMI the es neeDert ewe had been made out for graining es beam& seam to those who had seff.red just losses his the nihi lism el 1837 gad 1838. The brit queries OM errs her was as to the meaning of the terms "JIM trams." Übe were to Meeks the aid of the ends al remaesrises of the house, he believed they mould my that Ma lames meant losses that were justly mg deservedly incurred by WIN Wile su ff ered them. (Rm. bre, sa4 - a laugh.) Bat he would amaze that the weeds mast Met claims arising is sweet to attain loam mid Mthis bad be as set efteW Ist ANIS dams whit hem melds lesetwen to be eMlied, he would ad mead it whk any aeselthem. H. believed thth desist the Main 'Mak hems wen la wined, *Mk ought to he math pod, .s, for Minsk the &sleuths of a skunk, whisk the rebels had used hr a beams, bat whisk was pal& geoperty. He had no objec tion to mak i z om ased Mien d the& Ithrt, as he be lieved th at limes ethane ample width had bees deelnaged ion Inhad oist =tele soliellisa had Imes restored. This set Ad sot the payment of all losses, bat alp •1 I swift use eat of the- pay ment miseassary, or wastes deilleselies el property." A proviso WU istredneed be has theitheithleusdiethe =ties of the Oeseehsetbrisselves, sada append to Ns to hen as Impselest basing es the whole neMenelles of the set. These was a at the eel tithe tie dans. the venal elleat of was to ex dude then sompeneatica ell these who bad been amine& et Imams, sr who had boss transpeeth to lienswils. Ahem MO plum were thus wittiest hem the opera des of the ad. Bet the convictions referred to were sot emniedese is a start of law properly so called, bat sonvistimse I. emarlamartial. He took for granted that "convicted" la ea sot of parliament seam lawfully =witted ; sad hone, if there were any defect is point of form or of strict legality, there was so envied= at all, and so exception, there fore, under the proviso. (Hear, hoar.) Now by whom authority were the courts-martial erected? What au was there in this empire and its depeadencies whirr= erect courts•mamill, or give legal validity to their ass tenon. except parliament itself ? Was the authority of par liament given beforehand in this cue or afterwaris ? He had in nth sleuthed the statute books, in relation both to the temporary and the pennenent government of Canada, for a suction or ratification of the proceedings of courts. martial. He bad no doubt that that subject had bees under the consideration of the noble lord when fisaetery Mg t for th e Colonies, and that he would be able to pre planation. It was, be believed, the doctrine of the predominant party in the wawa sad the Legislative assembly of Canada. that the courts martial to whirl he was referring were wholly Werth In • petition signed by Mr.' Lafontaine, and presented to this hoses la 1839, that patio- man, who was now prime =Winter of the colony, said: *We deem ourselves also Ivund to destines to your honourable house the illegal exercise of inertial low." He mated to follow the principle of the law of tresses in Eng land. He did not wish to deal with mons' consciences. or to say a ward to favour of vexatious or tyrannical proceedings. He simply wanted to know whether those who took part in the rebellion were on that ground to be di.qualiflad from receiving compensation. (Bear, hear.) They must look • little at evidence extraneous to the act itself. He might prove his diligence, or at least hi. anxiety to be diligent, by quoting varied and oonflisting statements with fastens* to the vital question at issue, made by the leading men in Canada. He held in his bead a declaration made by the speaker of the legislative assembly, who was one of the governor-general's advisers. On tee 14th of May that gentleman said in the legislative council that it was only the intention of the government to pay the losses of innocent individuVs. But unfortunately though that was true in words it did not appear to be so in meaning. Another federation was that made by • gentleman named Jones, i member of the Legislative Amenably, to whose opinion he had the more pleasure in ro (erring, because he had tne character of being, to • great event, independent of party connexions. Mr. Jones said that having been predisposed to support the cow; new los proviso, he took an opportunity of waiting upon the prime =Mister to ask him what was the intention of the act. In the interview which took place ' • considirable difference of opioiun having arisen with rests t to the bill, in order that he might not mistake the views named three or four per sons who were known to have bees engaged in acts of rebel lion, sad he asked if those individuals wool under the bill be entitled to indemnity ? The gentleman to whom he spoke was, he said, too honest and honourable a ma to de ceive him ; he teeretore answered candidly that the rrvern• mast could make no distinctioa, sad that coneequindy those Penes could not be excluded from indemnity for 'heir losses if they bad matelot d any. If he passed to Lord Elgin him self he found the same thing is effect. In reply to an W ein es from the district of Virghila Lord Elgin spoke very plainly. He said, " I am band to say, in paves to the Lop majority of the representatives by whom the bill was pentad, that it ia my firm belief that they did not intend,th in passing it, to countemasce rebellion or to compensate e Lases of persons engaged in the heinous crime of rebellion, but that their purpose was to make compensation for the cruel and wanton destruction of peopsity. Under this con viction I assented to the bill." he first part of that declar ation appeared perfectly satisfactory, and if it stool alone it might be supposed that those who bore arose sgaiast the Queen's troops would be absolutely disqualified but when Lord Elgin spoke of making compensation for the cruel and wanton destruction of property, he began to fear that the question was to tarn upon the wantonness of the destruction, and not upon the o.nduct of the party dainties. (Bear, bear.) He (Mr. Gladstone) held that the man who had been in arms against the Queen's forces was absolutely disqualified for receiving compensation —(chsers)—diequahileit by his own act, and they had no:h leg to do with the question whether or not the property was destroyed wantonly and unneeesserily. (Hear, hear.) He who took arms against the order of society bad no right to invoke its laws—(cheers)—he who went beyond the limits of the law, sad sought a remedy to a supposed 'triennia: by violenc e, had no right to call evidence is a court of justice to show that the destruction of his property in oreaseguenes was wanton and unnecessary ; the dioiselifi rain was perfect. (Hear, bier .) In the years 1838 and' 1839 sets were peeled for t he conipessation of the loyal Whs. bitants of Canada. Was there any ulifficul.y then in deter. mining who were rebels and who were not ? Wire not all the proceedings plain sad patent ? In Ireland a commission bed sat to Inquire in.° losses incurred through the rebellion. No difficulty was el Peri I enced by the cometheioners in fulfilling their duties, It being in their power to pat parties on their oaths and to em panel juries. HadasimilarcoarsebeenpumdinCan da,the !liquify would not have been attended with the least difiiiulty. It would seem from Lord Elgia's statement as thowiti the majority of the members from Upper Canada had voted against Mr. Wilson's &mondani, het. bow, on the ear Crary stood the fact ? He sold is hie hand a mints analmis of the division, and from this it appealed that of the 36 members for Upper Canada who voted ea the occasion, 13 only were In favour of the bill, while 22 voted against it. Nor had the division proceeded on party principles ; he had ascertained, ascertained, on the contrary, that of the 28 members who constituted the minority there were six or seven gentlemen who habitually and steadilLeupported the existing savers , ment on other oectiose. Hoer, hear.)_ So far as to the sense of th e legislature ea subject. Now let him inquire into the sense of the male/ cm the matter, se expressed by petitions and addresses. The geveramest ia Canada, as well as at home, had eertaisly shown no disinclination to attach weight to them maniketadons, for he found in the paper before Mni no less than forty winsecutive pages wholly occupied with addresses and petitions, signed in the whole by 15,000 persons, almost all of them literally . word for word the same with each other, all of them express ive of fall con (Hence in Lord Elgin's samba/elation generally, and all of them, with one or two excepting, limiting their expressive of (piston to that genera suedes. without venturing prier any approval in tonne of the measure is hand—(bear)—fross which fact he drew the inhales , th at thong h many of those who signed the address' end petitions so presented might be favourable to the bill, yet hawing it to be a bad question question on which to test poplar feeling, and that if they sot forth a distinct approval of the measure, this would pre vent them from getting the addresses or petitions signed at all, they had limited themselves to the proposition of con fidence—endonthedly a very just essfidenee—in Lord Eigin's general character and conduct singe his attains upon the governor generalship. Thai was a further very remarkable lact connected with these petition sad addresses, that warmly any of them had been speed to at public meetinp hear)—a fact peculiarly remarkable in con wiles with people who bed always laid such sues, upon enure publicity of proceeding. eLL Of the petition and addresses so elaborately repro duced in them 40 pages, he had, urea a careful en miastion, only head emu which at all came under the dr militias of emesethse hes pal a menhir, and of these *see were misty petitions aped to at parish mestisp— enlist, fa strict leek then was bat no, that hest Bathurst • et, which answered to our ualenhaihs el a public =lgelled by the onstitated umbeellies so elide the ithe phis uposs i zat palspals grawdem (Hear, Mesa Tlisi_rest of the pi MA miasma were got up by kWh.* mho MI beam adiemhy shod to dean um la wpm) as the anddatty. (Haar) So dub he the Ciold abed= tees 47. Its deeply regretted le met tre s peidams see Weenies the other itay had not met with the some *the es rep th r E e tt Lord Elgin. (Hear.) Tame Wile fifty pages ei and *Weems in favour of =exactly : why were_ the net forty ialikeisserme asena-liasSed ta re s nguired, the panne mid Wanes 'pint the bill ? There null be se teed of desk that, at all events is Upper Canada, the ameament of the emereenity was decidedly adverse to the wiseems (flew, hesr.) It wee veged as a thirCancanc ting, dal be* in Upper Candle mil in Lower da bees bid bees esterior whisk fettered the dis unities at that mmatbly. Let him into this point. It mead sweaty be alleged Bat the first mend- W/6 mea in this matter, the eathetheilles in Fe= of a rsksies of ispley into loam: in Upper Ceases, then was my ambiguity; then was, certainly, as Msti on =fsity is the terms of the commimion y try Lord Metoelfs fa November of Mr, " to lapin into loresseendsei Ls: llete itag tre &pen in army pests ef the pro du the smateirell nos." This essmis. sion was the est that distieguished the sale weer of Lord Metcalfe, whose darters ems minsied to it almost in the rosy of bis - bees of death. (Hear, ar hzr e .l Mr. Dab the tp the amestin sesseils, ad • letter le the inatreseths them, that, is dithapthhinig, by a obethisi list, between rebel, and loyal e 51611001,11117 were an to be guided as against persons aimed Is heing M the former goes by any other evident's (has egg lteaMitl by the nestled sonsece of courts of law, as thelnethes materially relied ups by the advocates of the auesses. lb. Ca*y, a gemlesna of th e ' t ub es % I beseme, MEV mi. Duly at the Nom who bap ongsfeedemn les Is %realer Jessesre on prt- WSW is semintheatisa with I hha elk. ostgeet—had pelesed out te hile alba inviieralk& The seamides of Lod Inds, Aar thelemthei the eniththillthll he make a fall and C3S- ' dodge Isisft be! ell He awe whisk they were dinned eiefriti dished Oath thither, to make sash remarks thpes delm and up= each ease as they might eleam seesseszy. How different from this the was of she Stem d AUMO' of February ? Here the ethlnklithaelle WIN MK you have to do istoginis a general ohm* et Ma hon losses, the particulars of which will form the eabiect of ' more minute consideration hereafter for the prorate. nt and remember that your commission does not authorise you he sail far pews, ae to grem-exambi ee to' peened with soy criminatoiy fa 4isievir wy be Mused modest preens =ouel .. dime oyMe = ID All yea ban to do weed ebb" WI tffiffilheis rest to the executive (Hear, bear.) lab hareocousr=peorellog fes AR Of them who w er e w Mimi to owe MglWit the /obeli. Mr. la lowa a bli theogli dimly wend sysZt i the li r= immellson Item oftolot a =lbsee mime whiffing be ftimild ele Wok is fro pewee who had eau gent he the midis% didosillymemeesol he lied, =A hi offilingoloe that he hell so soak beleatim, wed weld weer omen to it. (Raw, beim) ft eme tttaeel tort sake bielymeee beviajlea chests la Unlit Casale to the lasi, ft waste be mod twills le deal Isis 'saintly with the minis in Lawn Oreeda. Est the Mm was tort is Upper Condo ft had weer boss essitsmgknoi to imismnify rebels, god soli hod net been these. (Harr, laser.) The mgy fa Upper Oman when has bed logo mob bed bas loyal peolilloos whose prepeetyftnil begs desiguyed by the sad% %:asehe losiemisim d Modem awl by lb. Of poems seek& er to silos the peft of bee e*, by bait fte twine heads vellealeg dimoyee be by moms whims bosses or other gersperhg bed bees Wired se gegoweil her Majesty's hoses se NW loyal pewee. tier the tale nation of millimy epsontims against the rebels. (Hem) Again, Dr. Thusembek was said, a fugitive tam justice, had disbud mi. and got it. Nov it sp-1 sp , and from the espienetion of Mr. Ingersoll, that Dr. Duncombe had cor*sly. been a rebel and • fugi tive from justice, avid that lOW. bad bees claimed in con sexion with Dr. Dnosembe, but the claim was not made by Dr. Doncombe, but, en the contrary, wee the sum which had bees offered for his apprehension. (" Hear, bear;' and laughter.) Mr. Hausman was mother of the Parties whoa Mr. Wachs had been made to represent as a con* vieted Inter who had received oompeniation, whereas, Mr. Haggerman bad never been tried, and, consequently, sever been convicted. Mr. Tooke was the fifth person who was alleged to have, as • convicted traitor, remind com pensation. Mr. Ingerso ll showed that Mr. Tooke had not received one farthing, and had saver claimed one farthing. (Hear, hear.) Having thus mat the leading objections which 6d hue advanced regained the interven tion of the imperial legislature is vindication of the honour of the crows, 'he would new state what he desired to have done. What he cestamplated was this: that to every ease, before the public mosey was paid over to any persos in respect of rebellion lows, there should be reasonable bond fide evidence that such person had taken no pen in the rebellion. And when he required that rebels should not be ad mitted to compensatioo ' he did not mean merely convicted rebels, but, further, all penes, who were known to have taken port in the rebellion. Another assurance he would require from the noble lord was that the order in council ratifying this act should be suspended until declaration was made b the Canadian legislature that in the next sea. sion the y met should be areenied so as to exclude from any claim to eompensatien persons who had taken any part in the rebellioo. That was what he asked the noble lord. elhad endeavoured to state the views he enter tained on this deep and vital question with clearness and ex plicitly. If he had conceived a wrong impresrion of the noble lord's intentions nothing would give him greater pleasure than to be arrested. To that noble lord he ap pealed, and he could only empress his earnest hope that all parties would act in concert upon this question, as nothing would be more fatal to the interests of the empire than that disunion should prevail at so important a crisis. Lord J. RUSSELL said that he had derived much consolation from the earlier portion of the right hon. gentle man's spomh, when he declared that he hoped the united voice of all Can a di an that bowie would be joined in settling the present difficulties, and therefore, entertaining that hope, he should not feel himself called upon to make any prorsiti n which could bring on a division. He must say that he was in hopes the right hon. gentleman's speech would les in accordance with that declaration, but as the right hon. gentleman went on in his remarks, he found he was doomed to experience a great dis appointment, and be Low was &Aged to say that if any thing could aggravate and embitter the hostile feelings be tween the two parties in Canada, and if any we course more than another was calculated to revive the animosity and rancour which were beginning to subside, that course was the one which the right hon. gentleman had taken In giving expression to his sentiments. (Loud cheers). The right hon. gentleman had stated most ably the case of one party. He had narrated every particular calou. lated to prove favourable to the party in opposi tion in the Canadian legislature. Hs had eves sup plied that party with arguments that they bad not dreamt of, and he had filled up some of the defects in their we against the ministers of the Governor-General of Cana de, showing rem ingenuity in his strictures and ressocinp on the conduct of Lord Den, and is blaming the course owned by that nobleman. At the nme time he (Lord J. Russell) must say that be concurred in some of the remarks .ef the right hon. gentleman, and =loot be allowed to state that in • despatch widressel to one of the colonial governors, which he wrote ten years ago, he had im pressed upon the person to whom he wrote that there were cases which could not be left to the discretion of the local parties, but which being cases wherein the honour of the crown wee conoeneed re quired to be managed and dealt with very cautiously, tem perately, and firmly, as much in the colonies is by the home authorities,_in order to prevent collisions sad fatal °ones vision. He folly admitted that such cases might present themselves; but when the right hon. gentleman went on to my that he believed Lord Elgin had received instrostione from the home government by which he was debarred from asking advice of the crown or its ministers in cases marling the national honour, ha (Lord J. Russell) must make bold to roll the right hoe, gentleman that he wee altogether us warranted is the &reception which he had ventured upon staking—(hear, hon)—for neither the Earl of Elgin nor any other governor of her Majesty's foreign pusessiew had received other than those instructions, which left him to be guided by his own disnetion, and thereupon be most rely in judging whether particular cases were of load importantly or whether they were cases affecting the honour of the crow wherein he could with propriety ask for the directing of the monarch. If the noble lord even had believed that to be an act of local importance, which, in point of fact, was in reality one wherein the honour and dignity of the crown and the national interests were concerned, he would, under the instructions of which he was possessed, have been fully justified in taking the course which he did. But if the go vernment believed, as they did believe, that Lord Elgin Ind rightly construed his instructions, and had beet consulted the interest. of Canada, and the honour, the dignity and the is tants otthe crown and of the people of E oglandL(hear)_—if, a, the government believed, the conduct of Lord Elgin was guided by a complete knowledge of the feelings of the Caladium, and by a true appreciation of what was becom ing to the honour of the country wad of the sovereign, then he would say that himself and his collet es would be the basset of men if they should desert Lord Elgin in the present onkel state of affairs, or if they hesitated tor one moment to share with him whatever amount of responsibility the House of Commons might think tit to east epee them. It was not, the/store, as the right hon. penman had ima. (bad, in pursuance of such instructions, which would have pivot Lord Elm in a situation neither proper nor buena fog, that the Governor-Often' of Canada had acted in re pel to the lodemnity Act. After the rebellion of 1837-8 a roll was istrodseed into the Legislative Assembly of Upper Cased& Ise giving compensation to those who had suffered lessee daring the rebellion. This act was amended in the wet ouloo, and Lord Sydenham gave hi unction to both these acts of compensation. The per ms thus indemnified was not, as the right hon. gentleman supposed, those who were know* specially to have taken part in the rebellion ; their qualifications and claims to indemnity rested on their being residents in Upper Canada. When these sets were passed, sad the fact of hav ing voted sums of money for the lone' incurred in the re bellion in Upper Canada became known, it seat wee ques tion whether the same CMS* should not be taken with re spect ryto Lower Canada. and he (Lord J. Russell) must that the only objection which he made whim the Upper Canada Rebellios Indemnity Bills came mbar his soft was, that the claims should sot be made =eel of the funds of the United Kingdom. But the mutually atually been paid the next consideration wee the ishowity to be paid to the sufferers in Loser panda, A avouch, dated May 8, 1844, of the noble lord (ftesiy) them at the head of the Colonial-office, contained Robe lutemelleas as to the mode of compensating the rebel lion aim Lower Canada by debentures, so that it ap pealed EMI the propriety tad the best mode of these claims were firet regretted by Lord gle end Instructions on this head were trans by him to Lord Metcalfe. Commissioners INN appointed to examine into the claims that eight be mode in Lower Canada, and the right hon. gentleman bad quoted one of the papers of instruction to the commitioners of inquiry, deed 12th of Dee, 1846, wherein they were enjoined to classify the claims, and " to distinguish the cases of those who had joined the rebellion and had been active against the crews, from those who had not so acted--stating the circumstances of esch esse, and the amount of the claim." The 001111111h1g0111115 inquired what powers they passed to establish such a slassiikation es was indicated is the despatch, and they were told in another deapateh of December, 1848, that "it was not Wended by Lord Met calfe that then should be any other distinction roads amount the claimants than such as was founded ea a sen tence of the courts of law against any of the rebels." New, the right hon. gentleman seemed to think that then had been a change in the instructions to Lord itinerate, and that the government had departed from his original views. Mr. GLADSTONE had not so expressed himself. Lord J. RUSSELL bed so oadenteed the right hon. gentleman. But he did net see why the access, of Lord Metcalfe should be held up makes loyal servant of the grows. Why should Lord Cathcart be sewed of Wag Ism disposed to maintain the honour and dignity of the mews don his ? Bat it appeared to his eiiiillossell) that trstitea rt's isstructions were to these wbe had noteriesely been rebels from those hid set so eoaducted themselves, in drawing up a lit et the slalom% for indemnity. Bat this distinctioa ft was bead geoid wan practical carried ion effect wittiest. is point of feet, eabjectieg the whole of those who put for weed claims to a new trial. Now it was this *atlas which bad governed the whale proesedings In the case. What be wanted to point sot to hew was, got whether Mr. Hisao was right or wrong in his insertions, but the extreme dill oulty of conying out the distinction i t on by the right hoc. petlemen. It was stated openly in the House of As 'empty of Canada that hundreds of those Minty concerned In the rebellion had received lion is Upper Canada. end tbo Hagenass, who had soled as seimitoof l~M a the rebels in Upper Comeleobed bow taawrwea Hinckes as one Of tliess who bed less Now, Mr. Hitches war not spumes le maks —nooestion the good amenthly Was he had ems goad meads to oad thins gonads were the unhand sad whoa bike thegaahent Upper Gook that the het wee she had Oiled 11,, if Oh was the we with = Vire Cellok hew wla te make km in the ems mitnally ankh gensikeatish? Hare were m 'Wiese &kaki einnykstihn d their = a Th eal s hi ly e= i te truth teethe assertioa that they had boa Valk awl they a damask& preele. Now, would thei~ be& ff ehlkik reeeed le being these wows to trial leriekesellans whisk lash plate In 1837 ? (Hear.) Boum that was rally the hews edit. (Hier heir.) Let trot the right he.. gentlemen say that he Weald ask for orwasfacie proof that these sea wore net rebels : wee it to be bins that man la 1819, tithe dealandtbamease to Ilan boa loyal—who said piebege that kW bet pt eat of the way hater el the rebellion sal the deinialft el disk FeLand who thus did not hem hatimidelisa to lsl oo lvessas partas it l inriLS•ll that should aew to go y—w into a regular Met AO they wen bud neen In 1837, end that no set of tholeeteedd le agaseresd rho so apparel of the rebellion ? (Hor t _lrett.))_ Benue rot was whet th e right hon. gentleman sated. He did not use give the mos the thence which a perms asansed of high t 0.... bad ; became a person who was plumed at the bar for high tresses merely said he was not guilty and he was not boundte say one word more. And if the jittlge asked him to prove when he wee, and told him that he must bring for went prima foes. proof that he was not engaged in the in surrection in quetioa, the man would my with indignation, and the whole tannin would echo that indignatioe, w No, I am not bound to peeve that I am not guilty ; but it is for you who have arraigned 1113 of high treason to give evidence to prove that charge, end till that is done I am an innocent man . (Huy, hear.)__ That wield be the case with regard toe Ilan who in lksu or 1841 WU to receive cemposatioa for a reknit* which took plus in 1837 and 1838. Desist thehouseonly imagine anthem, claimants for re bellies besesbrought to that tort eleven or twelve yeses after, when it might hinny passible that their nearest relations, those friends with whom they were then consorting, and who could prove their innocence, were dead and gorse, or had removed to some ether country, sad there Weis ao means left of giving the evidence which the right hon. gen tleman required as the only proof of their title to commie tioo. (Hear.) So much then with regard to the acts which were pond with teepee* to Upper Canada, end the cone sponduce that took place in 1846. After that time there appeared to have been a report from the eounakdours, in whichPthey stated the sonorous claims that then were ea this object ; but they added that those claims might be *- dead, and that they thought the sum of 100,0001. would compensate all the real losses which had taken place. It appeared to have been, as far as he (Lord John Rowell) could tell, the intention of the government of that day to have proceeded upon those recommendations, end it did not appear that anything else was to be the teat with regard to loyalty then that statement of Mr. Dely'e, the secretary of the Executive Council. viz., that those were to be mouldered as rebels, or as hosing aided and abetted the rebellion, who bad been found guilty by coots of law. I Alter that, the ministry which had then the gone. al roam mint of affairs became weaker. They made an attempt to form an association or coalition with the heads of the Preset Canadians. That negotiation did not result in any eoliths et the time, and in the end Lord Elgin consented to a dime ludo, with a view to strengthen his government. That course did not succeed, and a very great majority was rie• turned adverse to the then administration. On the meeting of the new amiably, when it was found that there was a great mejoritv 'gaunt the ministry, they resigned, and, according to the doctrines of responsible government, the present ministry succeeded them in their office. Now it was obvious that that was a question which would be premed upon that ministry. The former ministry, at the sugges tion of the Secretary of State, had proposed that there eh old be en indemnity for looses in Lower Canada es well es for losses in Upper Canada. In making a clarification of the claims under that commission of inquiry, the secretary of the government had declared that the only line to be taken was to separate those who had been found guilty in courts of law from those who had not. Accordingly, that was the course taken by the exiting ministry in Canada, lied a measure was prepared with that view. The right hon. gentleman stated—making a meet ingenious argument certainly on every allegation ;that went on behalf of that bill—that those who had been found guilty by courts mar tial could not be said to have been legally convicted. But he (Lord J. Baueell) believed, as far as his recollection served, that Sir J. Cockburn bad pronounced martial law in Canada, end whoa martial law was pronounced coons mar -1.1 were formed under the common law, and did not require the previous authority of the crown. (Hear, bear.) 'There fore, their proceedings and sentences would be lawful under the authority of Sir J. Cockburn. (Hear, hear.) Now, if that were the ease then, there would not be that difficulty arise to which the right honourable gentleman had referred. He meet observe, however, that with a view to obviate objections, the existing ministry of Canada did make more restrictions and limitations with regard to indemnity for Lower Canada lames then had been made with regard to loon in Upper Canada. Even it cer eal., Wing to the infirmity of all legislation, as the right tin. gentleman had stated, had given compensation to rebels in Upper Canada, still, if not in the spirit, it was, at all events, according to the letter of the Get, and was therefore lawful. But the preamble of this ad said, It is aseemary end Just that emelleeleee of sea yeses, ast yet othase, AO lona the esteem armee miaow Why molarlegM uneenthselle, awl Oa its masa se he eddy es Osy may lave shwa ken shekel we wee, 'Weimer moon Monseska of Y. loonlop. INalldlop, prepay, end - Wish of f the eel inheateate, sea from theedwee, teeing, we es h re i 7 8 teg r arsof tkir property earl Woof iheati lie put see oedema, t e asne of di. . eons "Me %whose oinked ot trams, slimed to Dave been committed in Oat yen edits preview formerly called Lower Canada, rime the lit dep it itearater, 1037, or who having been charged with blgh MOM r eke Whence of oessoeAle nature, and baring lisea Y inagsky el Ye sheriff in the also' of Montreal eats vetted themeime In me we, end pleasure of her Majesty, and were thereupon t ....i. ase hre leelesty's Wand of Bermuda, shall be entitled to any feeea ellW it lones sustained during or after the said rebellion, or In oiongemo thereof. Now, with regard to the Bret part of that preamble, the right boo, gentleman said that there might have been a destruction of property for which commotion would be just, and yet that compensation might be shut out. But that was ouly showing that compen sation had been more restricted and more coedited within limits, so that it would perhaps exclude some claim that might be perfectly just. With regard to the second part of the preamble, end the allegation that persons who had been sent to Bermuda could claim any indemnity on account of loss of property, and haviog been taken from their families, it was evident that all sued claims must be refused at wee under the act of parliament. (Hoar, hear.) The right hen. gentleman bad stated with regard to one amendment which he favoured—that of Mr. Wilson—that there was a close division, 28 to 44, and that the maj ',ray of the Upper Canadians were in favour of ths amendment. But, without disputing the accuracy of the right hon. gentleman's statement, he would add that after that amendment had been rejected, the whole resolution was put, when then was a much larger majority in favour of the Ms Aution, although the amend ment had been negatived- And when the bill came to a third reading, instead of those who had voted for the amendment in committee saying " es you have not adopted those amend wilts, the bill is so utterly objectionable, and gives such countenance to rebels, that we must vote against it," there was a very gnat majority, 48 to 18, in favour of the bill as a whole. And with regard to the component parts of that divisibly there was a majority of representatives of English doessat who voted in favour of the bill. l i t z : m 2th bers. gsatleman had pronounced a just pLog - Metall*. Let them do all honour to the deed= misery of Lord Metcalfe deserved it; but let them het do %justice to the living. (cheers.) He would be Mend to my that when my Lord Elgin pronounced them @salsama his lordship did not mesa, as the right hon. madams eeseted to suppose, to reserve to himself some Reuss of aselea. (Hear, hear.) Lord Elgin meant to act is re spirit of that declaration—he meant to do all in his pester te any into effect the view that it was not to cont peerahs the losses of persons guilty of the heinous crime of Menem that that bill had been pasted—and, for his own part, spelideg la the acme of the government, he had por ing esaidease fa the integrity and jukes of Lord Elsie, mail he believed that those words which his lordship had poseeeeeed he woad may into offset. (Hear, hear Of semi.., with raged to the mode of carrying out that act, mash wed& depend epee the Wanted/ as to be given, and epos the assaledoeers to be named. It was Lord Elgin's .we wish, he believed, that before any formal act was taken fa this sentry, the lastruerioss whiO he proposed to give the esmaniahmess should reach Englaad. Her Majesty's Shad not yet 'revived the act in such a shape that Qua in coanail could be advised to give any decision ea it, either te tarry it iato operation or otherwise. Bet he told the right be., gentleman that it was the belief of him self and litiellseavao—which they meant immediately to convey to Lod 110 w—that It would be their duty to :eave that set to lapaparetion (hear, hear)—that they should do so in the meldaso that those instructions would be framed in the spirted the declarations which he himself had made, and that they did not doubt when these instructions should arrive bet they would bit found to be suck as to enable then to advise the Queen to give her entire approbation to Lord Elgin's conduct. (Hear, beer.) When he told the eight hon. gentleman this, therefore, he did not is any way Oirnies the course which her Majesty's govern ment intended to pursue. (Hear, hoer.) According to all probability they should be in porn ission before a very long time of the set in its formal , and of the instructions which might been giv upon it. he right hon. gentleman stated that, the feelings of the Teeple of Canada were not represented by the votes la the legislative assembly. Mr. GLADSTONE—I did not my one word about it. Lord J. RUSSELL continued —Surely the right hon. gentleman argued for some time that they were not to judge of public opinion in Canada from the votes in the Assembly —Orem, hear)—that, in fact, there wee a strong opinion on the other side which was the prevailing opinion in Canada. He (Lord J. Russell) could not, as things at present stood, advise the crown to proceed to the disallowance of that act. (Hear, hear.) He felt, and he felt very deeply, the excitement which had been caused by it. The opponents of that measure bad founded their oppo sitioc, no doubt, upon feelings and arguments which ap rued to them to be valid ; but he believed that they had carried that opposition to a point which bad raised an excitement in Canada which they themselves deeply regretted ; for he observed that .11 the Lest of them spike in terms of indignation of the outrages which had been committed and the insults offered to the Governor-General. He believed now, that, if such was the course with the oppe eition party in Canada, if they did not attempt to transfer le this house the differentiawhich bad alreadytaken place is Canada ; that Coeds, this question ever, was destined to see her property gradually recovered, and, once recovered, tvotintudlY eagmeeted. He believed that her situ ation was sash that the inhabitants of Canals need not envy say odor country the %stingier that they might %ley; he believed that, under the British sceptre, they might *cry as mesh freedom, and as much h 4 alm road be the let of any pea* en the fartilo globe. He Rust have the right sea. gear. maa to puns the awn whisk he thought St ; be should be parry, indeed, if be *null think it nesemay, Dy • mere lima motionaz led who these were in this bona who this was • ore ia lank, if they abid t e h di t eeirembie governmest. theucee re bound to snow the est of the Camelia kg to come into operatics, sad ales who would fitter and re strain the liberty of the manse by disallowing asast, to wilco, as be thought, sleben. tan be mask sid ed= mode upon it. there was se vela smil semi on. With them sentimenta, Sherrie% belialag sod kose e rhat • straight and direst somas Tasman likely to puffy Canada than any tampering with ibis dilistaky, be bad declared at ma the course Revelator* Meat to pursue, ad left it to the house to form their went decides. (Hear, Item) Mr. GLADSTONE, fa expleinedics, said that the noble lord bad misunderstood bin. The informatkat which he bad reosived was information open to all the world. Mr. Meeks had sent him a notes giving his mina of the can, asisorrectiag, in some particulars, the statement he (Mr. Giristone) had made. He said that Malcolm and Hall, two of the five piteous named, might sot have been tend, bat they were outlawed. They had left the province, and were outlawed, and pardoned by Lord Sydenham in 1841. Hall also wu outlawed, and pardoned by an application to ; Lord Sydenham. He said he never mentioned the name of Cooke. He asserted that Cooke was sentenced to be hanged for high treason, and pardoned. limestone, he thought, was convicted, but he defended an action in the civil court, on the ground that the . goods for which the action had been brought bad been received by him as Commirmy-General. Mr. BERRIES thought that the bonoura'bie ISM her for the University of Oxford and the noble lord opposite had brought the question to a point in which the house might form mine judgment as to the course they were to puree under all the circumstances of the core. On looking at the provisions of the bill, it segued to him to follow of necessity that all persons who could not be brought within the category of either persons convicted it of persona —to-the number of seven or eight—who submitted themselves and were transported, that all other mesas whether rebels or not, who could prove that they had sustained lose by rebel lion would become of necessity and by virtue of the act itself entitled to compensation. He put it to the Attorney-General whether the act could be caniedineo effect without qualifica tion, without interposition , which be believed could only be effected by a new act of the legislates' of Canada, for be doubted if the authority of the crown could interfere to modify the act. Refuse It they might; but they could not so modify the provisions as to alter the destination of the indemnity The noble lord had relied much upon it—that they were to expect farther communications from Lord Elgin—that they were to receive some account of the instructions which he intended to give to the commissioners who were to carry this act into effect. Under the act he had no such instructions to Rive ; he could not lot any instructions modify the application of this act. The important question, then, which the house was called on to decide was, whether they would per mit, under an act apparently mistakenly conceived, a measure to be carried into effect which, if strictly administered ac cording to the provisions of the sot, would strike at the very foundation of civilised society—whether persons who had been engaged in rebellion should, notwithstanding their par ticipation, at the end of • certain period receive indeinnifrat.- 1 tine at the hands of those wko bad been suppressing tee rebellion. (Hear, hear.) lie was at a lose to know how ministers could escape from a dilemma in this case. They relied on being able to modify the bill so as to give satisfaction to the people of Canada. If they could, die. content would soon be allayed ; but he had it on high legal authority that the bill could not be altered so as to meet the present view of the government. The bill t wan quite different from any former bill that had been I framed for the purposes of indemnity either in Upper or Lower Canada, inasmuch es that all former bills expressly ' excluded rebels. There was no such exclusion in the preens , measure, and besides there were obnoxious provisions, which t he feared the government would find it impossible to avoid. t The only way to do it would, in his opinion, be to re commit , it to the Canadian legislature. He contested that being tho u roughly convinced on this point, he should make emotion for t referring the matter back to the Canadian legislature, t unless the noble lord gave a distinct assurance that he • would carry into effect that which he now stated to be the conviction of himself and Lie colleaeues,—that was to say, that he would take care to avoid making rebels the recipients I of the indemnity fund. (Hear.) It the noble lord took care • to avoid that great evil all further opposition would vanish. Above all, nothing would be dose to renew the excitement. • He had intended to propos a resolution, in order to show how I much his opinions were in conformity with those of her Ma jeaty's government. (Laughter, and cries of " Move.") The t resolution was this ;—" That an humble address be presented to her Maje sty, praying that she would be pleased to with- I hold her royal assent to an act of the Canadian Assembly, r entitled 'An Act to provide for the lademnification to Per t sons in Lower Canada whose property was destroyed during I the rebellion in 1837 and 1838,' without and until • her Majesty should have received satisfactory assurances t that no person who had engaged in ai ling or abAting in that I unnatural rebellion should be permitted to participate in the I indemnity so proposed." It appeared that upwards of 800 0 panes were imprisoned for enraging in thin rebellion, and that they were all known and could be identified. stber more than 400 were applicants under the commission. • (Hear.) Yet, according to the preamble of the act, which referred to all persons proving losses sustained by the rebel ' lion, those peening stood upon the same footing as ell other persons. Of the 400 claimants, some 70 or 80 had bees con . aided by courts-martial ; but the very exception which was made after the bill was introduced of convicted persons— that being the first material alteration in it—oompletely a eta ' bibbed the right of those who were not convicted and not excepted to come io and claim compensation. (Hear.) Colette, there'' , me, the noble lard would say that he intended to modify the bill as be (Mr. Herrin) suggested, or give some security that he would Garry into effect his own intention, he must move the resolutioa which he had just read, be lieving that the only mode to attain his object was by with holding the comsat of the Crown until the Canadian As• neatly could itself remedy the difficulty which had arisen. Mr. B. COCHRANE revered to say that the history of the Canadian council and government since 1838 made ,the loyal inhabitants of Canada feel that the result of what wu called responsible government in Canada was the bring ing forward of men who had acted against the loyal party and the imperial government of this country. Some of the men who held high offices under the Crown had been mowed of high treason and were in consequence obliged to leave the countey, and amongst Monsieu r them r. Baldwin, who had been Attorne•Gene ral, Lefontaiee. (" Heir ," from Mr y . Roe buck.) The hon. and learned gentleman cheered, but did he remember the names of all thous gentlemen who were brought into high office to the prejudice of the loyal men, and who had been enema, and some of them cenvected, of high treason, He believed a relative of the hon. and learned gentleman was the person who received a reward of 6001. from the government for arresting M. Oirouard, and when asked the question by Sir A. M' Nab, he replied, " I did receive 6001 for mg him, but I have reason to change my opi nion of him now." (A laugh.) The son of M. Pep ineau got a place of 1,000(. a year, and another go vestment appointment was conferred upon another of the same class, bat when the appointment arrived it was found that be had been hung. (Loud laughter.) And yet these were the men whose can the hon. and learned gen tleman pleaded at the bar of that house. Mr. ROEBUCK said he had supposed that the discussion of this question would have been confined to our colonial administration. lie had supposed that they were about to discuss it calmly, considerately, and he might say, in that honourable style which usually distinguished gentlemen in that house. (" Hear, hear," from hie. B. Cochrane.) He could not for • moment suppose that the hon. gentleman did not classify himself amongst that body. What bad he to do with what his relation in Canada had dons ? Had he done aught to any art in that house or the country that could justify him in taxing him with that which was either infamous or dishonourable? (Hear, hoar.) The hon. gentleman said that be same to the bar of that boom to defend the rebels. That was not a true statement. He came there upon • petition to the House of Commons, signed by his own name as the authorised agent of the House of Assembly in Lower Canada, to appear at the bar and ar gu e in the character of agent against a particular on the table of the house that went to destroy the constitution of that assembly of which those whom he represented formed a part. He represented the House of Auembly ; and it was not true to say that the House of Assembly ()flower Canada were at all as at any time rebels. ( Hear, hear.) Suppose there had been some rebels in that home had not the - House of Com mons been called on, within a few days past, to issue • writ in the plioe of • person who was a convicted rebel ; end did that affect the character of the House of Commas ? (Rut, hear.) In the fate of this assembly—in words the strongest the house would permit him to use, and with a much deeper feeling at the bottom of the sion—he denied the l truth of the assertio l that he ha= the advocate of rebels. (Hear, hear.) f this had been ut tered elsewhere, or by any man not clothed with the rota tion of the house—(" Hear, hear," and " oh, oh" from the protectionist benches)—yes, they could cry " oh, oh" when he defended himself from the attack, to which they bad listened with the greatest complacency. (Hear, hear.) TM bon. gentleman ought to have looked rer the; evident)e to support his charge. It was a criminal proceeding to make a charge spinet any nisn's honest character without sufficient inquiry into the evidence, and he charged the hon. gentleman with not haying Dade that sufficient inquiry. He asked the House of Commons, as gentlemen, was this con sonant with honourable feeling ? (lieu heir, hear.) He would now ask the house and the' country, if, no accusation having been made against • man mos 1837, they were justified in now bringing the accusation that he was guilty of high treason ? Hs said they were not. That man was guiltless natal he was am viand ; and he had not been convicted. It WWI • matter of policy at first, whether the government would give any compensation at all ; but, having determined to give it, it was not by possibility within the mesas of the pa:- fitment or the government to draw any ether line than they had done. But the right hon. gentleman proposed to make it nutter of inquiry by commissions, whether certain per sons wen rebels. Was it justice to give to three comsaissionen the right to say, without a solemn trial, that a man was guilty of high treason ? They must resolve either is vat no compensation at all, or they must adopt the Hoe drawn by the Canadian parliament. He would go • step further, and maintain that it was not only impossible to draw any other line, but that if it were possible it would be highly dangerous and impolitic on this occasion to run counter to the 'Fishes of the people of Canada, as expressed by the constituted authority. (Hear.) He bogged of the house to pardon the somewhat excited state in which he commenced his address. (Hear.) Bat he hoped that, for the honour of this country, ante s character as • geneses and chivalrous nation, they l hear no mote ot these imputations. (Cheers.) Mr. B. COCHRANE said he did not mean to impute anything against the character of the hon. and teamed gen tlemen. All that he maintained wee, that easoopt thou' when be represeated were peewee who had been found in ono against the Queen's foram Mr. C. BRUCE said that as the tranquillity of Canada depended probably on the success or otherwise of this' motion, it was far too important • matter to be made the' Slijeet of mere party straggle in that Muse. The essobrit of the noble lord at the heed of the government was meet May to ware the peace of Canada. The governor bad dbaharged his duty to the crown and the esffeeNt bad adopted a course most creditable to Mmaelf, and ens which tended to produce u tilisation and to impart protection to the people whoa be gemmed. It would have been easy for him to have emend personal popularity when he entered his province hed he denounced the free trade policy of other countries, but ha chose to express his feelings cagdidly, and to use his utmost exertions to conduct the affairs of the colony in an amicable spirit. (Cries of " Divide," and Brotherton.") Mr. BROTHERTON rose, but gave way to Ile. GLADSTONE, who said that he bad given a distinct emurance to the noble lord at the heed of the government, a week ago, that, as far as he was concerned, it was not hie intention to submit any motion whatever to the house upon the present occasion. lie suggested that his right hon. friend should withdraw his motion, and that the debates should be adjourned till that day se'nnight, in order to pied time for the full consideration of the subject that had been thus brought before the hoses. Mr. BROTH ERTON moved the adjournment of the bunk Mr. BERRIES desired to ha re ve fm the noble lord IMO ooh assurance as that which he had requested from him. Lord J. RUSSELL could sot give such an assurance. In relation to the proposed adj urament for a week, he did not think it expedient to adopt that course, but he would consent to adjourn the debate till to-morrow, if the house **desired. If, on the contrary, the house desired to divide at once upon the right hon. gentleman's motion, unexpected as that motion was, he was quite reedy to divide. Mr. DISRAELI said that the motion of his right hon. friendeould not have been unexpected. On the =teary, it mast have been hilly expected. and he was prepared, under all circumstances, to peas the house to a division on that motion. Strangers were here ordered to withdraw, but The Marquis of GRANBY interposed a question whether he had rightly understood that the noble lord proposed II the debate was adjourned that it shott!d be resumed to-morrow ? Lord J. RUSSELL thought that was a question rather for the house to decide than himself. He might, however, say that he bed no wish to shrink from the division any more than the hon. member ter Backs (Mr. Disraeli) ; but fur the house it was a question of souls importance whether they should divide now or not. lie thought it would be more consistent with what was due to the character of the house that hen. members should be aware that there wan such a question t, be brought before them, and that the decision should not depend on those who had heard nothing of the intention to suomit such a motion until they entered the house after that motion had been made. (Cheers, and cries of " Divide " and " Adjourn.") Mr. F. MACKENZIE inquired when the budget would be brought on, supposing - the debate was adj .urned t Lord I. RUSSELL—On Friday (this la) week. (Cries of " Divide," and much confusion.) Lord MAHON considered that the hon. member for Sal ford would do well, looking at the temper of the house, to renew his motion. (Cheers, and cries of " Oh.") Strangers were spin ordered to withdraw ; but after being excuded for some two er three minutes, were readmitted. During the exclusion it was understood that Lard Mahon moved the adjournment of the debate. Whet the doors were opened, Mr. DISRAELI was speaking. He called on hon. mem bers to consider the consequence of postponing the deeierua on the question in regard to tke business ot the house. Were they prepared to coasent to the further postponement of the budget for a week, which the noble lord had told them must be the result ? Then, again, it was of the utmost conse quence that the packet which WAS about to leave England to-morrow for Canada should carry out with it the decision ot the imperial parliament on a matter so important to them. Oa these grounds, he appealed to the house to diode at once on the main question. (" Hear," and cries of " Adjourn," and •• Divide.") Mr. GLADSTONE must make an appeal to the house as emphatic as that of the hon. member for Bucks, not to divide. (Cheer', and laughter.) He besought hon. (tenth men to consider the deep taunts involved in the question, end the feelings of thus, people—on: fellow subje este, who were removed tiom us by many thousands of miles—to con sider the character of the house iteelewhich, he would ven ture to say, would suffer seriously, both here and elsewhere, unless their proceedings in such matters were marked by deliberation, calm temper, and dispresionste judgment. After a few words from Mr. Roaarex and Mr. DAILY, the house divided— For the adjournment Against it The debate was accordingly adjourned tilt to-morrow (this daY). SEWERS ACT AMENDMENT BILL. This biU was read a amend time. EXCLUSION OF STRANGERS. On the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL a select committee was appointed to consider the present practice of the house with respect to the exclusion of strangers. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the house adjourned at twenty minutes to two o'clock. Vitt erPreggi+ OUTGOING dtAlLft. Mails for British North America and the United &atm will bts made up this evening. rue Wed India Mena, excluding Bermuda, Savanna, Nona% itondures, New Orleans, and Menke, end !winding those for Yiseleira, bt Juande-Nicaragna, New Granada, Chili, and Peru, will is made up on the ramming of the 1 7 th June. The mails for Vigo, Oporto, Lisbon, Madeira, Cadiz, and Gibraltar. will be made up on the morning of the 17th of June. Ti. mails for Gibraltar, Malta, Oreeos, the lonian lolanda, g Aden, Ceylon, India, Hong-Koas, and onMs gouthamptste be made up on the 20th of June. The mails, cia Marseille% to the Mediterranean, Egypt, Ceylon. India, Hong-Kong, Su., will be made up on the 25th mime. The mails toe Madeira, the Brands, and Buenos Ayres, will be made upon the erasing of the 4th of July. NIGH WATPN. AT LONDON 111111/0/4 T.,. Div —llaralsr.39 WA par M. II ale. pea A To Kos. w —Naming, 41 W. P 991 91 AllerOA. 14 W. NA 10. LONDON, FRIDAY, JUNE 13. TnE merriment of the parliamentary squirearchy was hugely excited on Wednesday by their success in parrying an attempt to apply the repre sentative principle to the management of comity rates. With a view to check the increasing evil of a profligately profuse expenditure of county rates, Mr. Hume introduced a bill to vest the power of assessiog, levying, and disbursing these rates in county financial boards, composed two-thirds of members elected by the guardians of the poor and one-third of justices of the peace nominated by their brethren of the quorum in sessions assembled. Sir Imre Pam:scam as mouthpiece of" the great unpaid" had given notice of his intention to move, by way of amendment, that the bill be read a second time that day aix months; but when the time came his heart failed him, and instead of directly opposing the measure he sought to shuffle it aside—by proposing that instead of reading it a second time, the house should appoint a committee to inquire into the expenditure of county rates, with a view to ascertain whether a more effec tive and economical system than the present could not be adopted. Hereupon the SECRETARY of STATE for the Home DEPARTMENT took occasion to declare that had Sir Joum directly opposed Mr. Humes bill, he (Sir GEORGE GREY) would have been under the dis agreeable necessity of voting for the measure, seeing that he approved of its principle ; bat that, insomuch as Sir Joum was civil enough to be satisfied with get ting rid of the bill by a shuffle, he should have hie (Sir GEORGE °Bev's) support. This piece of minis terial ratting sealed the fate of Mr. Humes bill : the combined ministerialista and protectionists voted that it should not then be read a second time. The bill having been thus got rid of for the present, the house set itself to deliberate whether it would ap point the committee recommended by Sir JOH?1 PAKINOTON. Mr. MILNER GIBSON proposed to add to the subjects of investigation contemplated by Sir Joint an inquiry as to " the best mode of arranging an effective control on the part of the ratepayers over the county expenditure." This amendment put Sir JOHN and his friends into a perfect flutter of conster nation. It went, in fact, to affirm, by a deliberate vote of the house, the very principle which they flat tered themselves they had got rid of by shelving Mr. Homes bill. And to their sore dismay, they saw that the ministerial trimmers were so decidedly committed to the principle that they could not with common decency vote against the amendment. And, worse still, some of the more liberal and intelligent of their own number now declared their approbation of the principle. It was clear as day that Mr. GIBSON'S amendment, if put, would be carried. There was nothing for it but by moving repeated adjournments, and making sham speeches, to put off time till the clock should strike six. when the SPEAKER must of necessity leave the chair. The shabhy trick was successful, and the ju bilant chuckle of toe cunning squires, when the house broke up, expressed triumph in the little victory they had wen. The tenant farmers, the agricultural rate-payers, the county voters, have heard that gleesome laugh : it was at their expense. They are the dupes who provoked the broad grins of the parliamentary squire archy. To a man they complain of the:enormous in crease of local rates of late years. It is a standing .;. ~ _ -Expi E SS, A • W 4 U4U, JUNE 15, 1849.