The Express. — London, England, 1849-04-20 00:00:00

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Rollootoo. look ffoo oaths aid his eta. SOUTH EASTERN RAILWAY.—ASEPORD AND HASTINGS LINE Xt. W PATTEN awed "That the order of the day of*. 16th dar of February lest, !seen:lig the Smith Eastern Railway (ressoval of restrictio• sputa oing the Tun bridge Wells and Homiest, and Ashford sa d Hastings lines, erect ot eempukory powers foe purchase of lauds, steam boats) Bill, to the committee of o kolas be now read; that the sell eider be disenerod; sad that the bill be with draws." The motions were severally agreed to. TURNPIKE ROADS. Mr. W. PATTEN wished to know what course the go onsment intended to Uhl with regard to the Turnpike TM'. Bills, which bad stood on the reinr of the previous day. Mr. C LEWIS replied, that if the promo'ers of the bills should thick it expedient to refer them to the Home De partment for examination, measures would be adopted at the Home-efliser to effect that objesr. VICTORIES IN INDIA. Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE gave notice that, en Tnerday, 24th of April, he should prop , se a vote of thanks to the governoverneral, to the conielander•in-ebief, and to the °liken and mu composing the army in India, for their smokes in the Emmet military operations in the Punjaub. (Loud diem.) HOP DUTIES. An Hos. Manners said be elated to put a question to the Chsneeller of the Es&rainer on this subject. A paragraph bad been gales the reund of the papers to the effect that the time toe the payment of the duties was to be extended. He withed to ask the right hon. pen'lessan whether or net it acs his intention to consent to pesipeme the p ayment (fan meat of of the duties, payable in the fi rst week of May, until the month of November. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was under stood to say, that as estession of the period for payment was intended, bat the coodidose had not yet been communicated to the office. SICILY—DENMARK—THE PROPOSED BRUSSELS CONGRESS. Mr. DISRAELI said-1 wish to take this opportunity of nuking an *wary of her Moiety's gownsman'. Before the Elmer recess, the government announced that they had en hand three mediations, sad after the Easter recess those three mediations had assumed the form of three blockades. (Leaghter.) Now I wish to know from her Majesty's po vernment whether th y are prepared to lay on the table easements which may explain this strange metamorphosis f" Hest, hear," and laughter.) I want to know, in the *et plate, whether and when we may *greet to receive those Sicilian papers, which, I think, ought already to be in rhe hands ef mem& e. ; secondly, whether miciaters have any objection to lay on the table as speedily as possible all papers Illustrative of the affairs of Denmark la coenealas with the Duchies of Schleswig and Holstein; nut, thirdly, whether they have any obje ction to on the table the records of the Congress of Brussels ? (Great laughter.) Lord J. RUSSELL—In reply to the three questions which the hon. gentleman has asked, let me say, in the first place, with retard to Sicily, that the mediation between the Sing of the Two Sicilies and the Sicilians ha come to an end, and that the papers are now is course of preparation for being laid on the table o' the house, and will, I believe, be ready in a few days. With regard to the second subject —namely, the cogizance' , kits between Denmark and the Gentian power—as communieatione are still goi et on both with Denmark and with tie German emirs, it is not ad visable to lay on the table pipers relating to that netotiatien at the truest moment. (Hear, hear.) With regard to the third queet'on which the hon. gentleman has asked, be is, of course, fully aware that the Austrian plenipotentiary was never named. A premise of the t ambition was made, but that promise was never fulfilled. (Hear, hear.) THE SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN WAR. Mr. HUME said he would now ask the noble lord the Secretary at State for foreign Affairs whether or not there was any truth in the rep rt thit a courier having arrived ken Copenhagen on the 26th of March with despatches of insportsnee for the noble lord, those 11-spatehe a were allowed to,rosaain sneptned and anasswered until it was too late to poorest koetilities ? He begged to assure the noble lord that kb reason for ow king lamination then was to prevent any undue blame resting spin 1 im. Viscount PALMERSTON—I can answer my hon. friend's well non se I could to-morrow. The facts of tress: as are three :—A'tes the Danish government had deseeneed the armistice, communications took place be times her blaiesty's government and the two nodes with a view of endeavouring to we whether or not it were still possible to avert any nari-idly sets ; and on the 13th of Nara I proposed to t"e poetise a protocol, in the hope that they might be brought to agree to it. On the 26th of March the Danish minister received from his could an amended version of tUe icemen t. The Danish severs resat required that the assent of the German plinipotaatiary should be immediately elven to the instromant in ths feels is which they tent it ; and they desired that the aslant Ellett be sent bask before the 25th of March, in order that they sliest knew whether they should begin hostilities, as they had announced, on the 2nd of April. The note of the Danish Weider tosamuniciting that to me on the 26th was mat not in the usual °Mc .1 we,, and by Accident was at.- laid ; and it was not therefore till Thursday, the 29th. issued of Tooke the 27th. *et I was enabled to somunanhists the contents of it tothePrue&an minietrr, who was the rsplasonta tire et the central power. But the peepodtion was one whisk it was quite out et** power of that representative to secede to, and therefore it was perfectly immaterial with rapist to say result whether the comes imitation was mode to him on the Tuesday or en the Thursday. The proposition wee one whkh it would lave been perfectly inconsistent with his in trimehrris *swept, anal theref-re his answer would have been the rams on this one day as on the other. RUSSIA AND TURKEY. Mr. ANSTEY wished to ask the able lord, the Semetary of abate far Foreign Affair., whether he bad received ley in fermatinn from Cuustentino* on the subject of the silesed demand addressed to the Porte by the goverment of Ueda, of the withdrawal of the Turkish troops teem Mol davia and Wellecatia, under the menace that If the = was not withdrawn the Earn ambassador meld tear his pompon? Viscount PALMERSTON.—I have no reason to believe that any seek annonneerneut has bras 'natio by the Resins gmeramenitts that of Turkey. On the cestrare, I haws ma, rerun teldiemithat the report is astounded. The feet b, tlast the pmenesef Me Tnekirh traps he Moldavia was, I be lieve, Imbed by He Russians; and the ally ground for the emfavourable MEM is, that the Realm government sent an °Meer of gnat distinction from St. Petenburg to Con stantinople with a view cf effecting a friendly arrangement of matrere. THE MEETING 07 IRISH MEMBERS WITH THE PRIME MINISTER. The order of the day for considering the amendments to the Navigation BM having been reed, Viscount CASTLER,EAGH wished to throw himself on the indulgence of the louse while he introduced a matter which wee somewhat pereoesi to himself. He referred to a correspondence which bad pissed between the First Minieter of the Crown and himotif. It would be le the re collection of the how that the noble lord had about a week The SPEAKER here interprad—He was sorry to in terrupt the noble lord by reminding him cf a rale of the base. The clerk bad air •etly read en order of the day. • Vies sat CASTLEREAGH was quite aware of that cir cumstance; he threw himself entirely on the indulgence of the hone*. ((Chem.) If the house would tee kind Neagh to hear him he would be as brief as possible. He bed been about to say that the no , tle :cud tad summoned the Irish members, as a body, to Cruse the question of the rate in aid. Proving le the mer•ng, enteral gentlemen who entertained Meng opinions on the subject, considering it probable that the noble lord would press fur an immediate decision, thought it best to cheese toms Ind iridusl to expras their tentimcnts to the no'..le lord. At the meeting which took place the hon. member for Litariek (Me. J. 0•Cmsell) made a speech, in the aurae of which he int r3dueed a great deal of extraneous master. The noble lord then west oa to state his views. After he had done en he Viscount Castle reagh) advanced toner& the noble lord and endeavoured to attract his attention. Teas noble lord, however, withdrew, stating that he would ocher leave the matter open. He spats WWI himself on the noble lord's attention. assuring him that he had no personal desire to speak t u r. that be appeared es the commissioned e ‘ . Outman of other Fades. Under saek circumstances, he conceived that the noble lord might have extended to him the viably of herring what he had to say. Having, however, ken unsuccessful in his obiest,lse had sines 'adrenal te the noble lord the famineMy lord—l was prepared to speak ti your lutJelsip to-day, not only for myself, but on behalf cf a numerous and influential body of Irish members. Whilst in deference to your posi tion es First Maki r of the Cram, we attended the mort ise in Daweinretrer, we were sot premed to pledge our selves to the adoption of anT artienier tax to be imposed on Inland. We are not unwaning to discus any roped for THE T XPRESS, FRIDAY rrENING, APRIL 20, 1849. . *fa to levieed. (dicer, le of being this purpose ea its corn merits in the Hone of Commons ; purpo _ meet hear.) ffie manse d that , be shoe that night look w.th but wit h out beari the argoments which might be adduced la the west of 1 d leeks role! ads* diatremed seems the policy of the legislature in vek . . some emistritts the vote ' 4 the g ht hon. ?menethe on the question it aseertaining the espweity of 1r.1.n4 to Th e quoin Wei pet from the chat, * ',.., me MINT fee T ellthorth. bent= thet right hoe . baronet mast Moe icereased Minion, we could met be in e r m ni •t trat 10 Mr... 11113111 itegleed to coal vihmh°l this Miss tee to ►we know that the existence of a rate he and w utterly Mews unde a to the Of ring am advice to the leeiereaeld 6 ° t o t h e °D ar " ft Ill y nacre o f pergement ; Mho bad =dente= the+ tatible Medal ' 000 . 3171% e add not eras:let ;be ,if the reee in aid "ewer for erase awa'aisasa", end ""aliallfasaa sin from advanced before th e 114."iq-Afd Bill bad "Idv i ld the no* ride with *e plan be bad lately ellaset proper to ad pt." To that letter he had received from the heal oi the winnow ., to my that, ~ o .. I' em the nete - fs• were once palmed, it would not only tot es en impediment, Ch in e lord ____.the following reply:—" My M eo y e krni e —l should hm u se , Aid Bill did pass, the mouse you'd not he latiene° 4 . but it would put an absolute eztinsuisher upon the plan. ebe amo of "Unving roar that day . - Agreeing entirely in what had been_ said t the Chancellor ellen, hr . . ) New, Mr. Griffiths was the ihot wit welted to her yomr lordship, but as several mew the distresesd "aims, yet, seeing the doubted Mae' of lee: weentait- foe Ripen (Sir Jaen Graham) and At the right honoureble bsronet, the bees *petered to intimate that they did not wish °f the Eleheith ef t as to the 01406 4 if - affeiitigg relierto uses' esom m e d by Me SO do se. I thought it beet to retire, otherwise Ramin.Aid Bill, he must say he wished to know h e o,...—eeosse foe Linearlah.Lble. lignacill _With. referent , to have heard other eseie h as who do not what was the nature of the enninnaleatlon Midi tla - dity to t h e v a luation, the general principle of the pa .r rate andilitc Ibel 'me to that atimore us sod ie fluential body to which the noble lord oethe subject of that bill by the lash rem - policy of levying it. Mr. °misted was neat examined, and that the year in situate and must havebe anted that, In collecting Ito old r ete, he had exp , rieneed east= eta debate in stead of receiving a decision." Now ha had felt it his duty to sentatiem. If they oppoed it the probeb lily was rate in aid would notbe obtained ; and if the present node- great difficulty. lie was asked if he thought that difficulty Wag this matter been the DOWss and as regarded the dos was =reed to, and theme:Bey advanced, the hews would w ould be eonsieersbly augmented if, in addition to the raves ; body when be had represented if the noble lord sow the be left in theloreb. (Hear.) What he wanted to knew was. whether the rate in aid or an income-tai was te be enforced. peed upon to Vey the rates of the west. He ',peel, that If of de it own district, the people of the north of Ireland were 11IMISS be would admit that the parties were both =moron end influential. Be would only add his belief that the . , in Surely the government bad made up their minds en the be knew anything, of the people of the north, they would whole body of d. Irish gi o nh o hne ha d oo mmee M o . a ute res o t i r la te ," te ; subject. la order to remove all doubt upon this subject, he certainly eel against the payment of money for the people meftm nit g wi t h that w h ic h 11.11 .1 r ............... '.-- —.* should move as an amendment, if the noble lord's reel, was . of the west ; and be quelidre the word "rebel" by obs.rving (Hear, hem.) not satisfectoey, that no part of the stm now proposed to De th at they wculd decidedly object , end that nothing but Lord J. RUSSELL, *aid it had been far from hie in . granted be =vane= anti the Rate in Aid Bill had realest' poeitiv, force would indium them to par. Then, the three tendon to 'hew any discourtesy to the noble lord. ( H ear, her Majesty's consent. first witnesses having been exeron d as to the amount of boss ) Oa the centrary, be was very mush obliged to the Lord J. RUSSELL said, he would endeavour to satisfy the valuation, the dtfSeulty of coneetioe, and the improbse met= lord, upon whom he had no claim whateser, the hos. member by stating plainly what the govern- lenity of the loan being repaid, Cartels Huband stated that two having done him the honour of meeting hint in ),. meat intruded to do. It was now proposed to take the people would be unwilling to pay the rate, and that Downing-street (Heats bear) ln lb° next place -- • vote of 100,0001. OS the security of the rate in they would object to the re, ay Mere of any money that wee would observe, that after having ascer tained what were the aid, and if that amount was granted then a clause lent to them for any purpose . (" Hear," and laughter.) views of ,the deputation , be reeetemended theft to tak e would be inserted in the Rate in Aid 13;11 for securing Mr. Senior &served that the collection of the rate would some time for o r ; and he said be hoped that, Ss the repayment to the Treasury of the advance. It was the teal to a passive re inane, and that that passive resistance the bill stood for that sight, they would flethee, oe "" hith, e with e e ns i n t en tion of the government to proceed with the Hite might or might not l e ad to waive resistance t and he their decision early in the morning. Th e n oble ' t" r d in Aid Bill, and to ask both houses of parliament to give it added that it would be impossible to disentangle the old rate Cestlereask), as be understood, tben proceeded to say that be their eanotioo, is order that it mieht afterwerds receive the from the new, for that both must be collected torether— that was prepared then to state the opinion of a meeting — royal assent. The hon. member bee salted if the Treasure there would be great difli ulty in getting the suerdians to Viscount CASTLEREAOH—Not a meeting. intended to advance any poreoa of the pretent vote until strike the new rate, and that they (toe guardians) would' Lord J. RUSSELL—WeII, then, the noble lord said he the Rate in Aid Bill was parer] ?He must candidly prefer the alternative of resigning rather than strike it. INS peppered to state the opiaisos of certain persons. state that there was only about 8,0031. of the 50,0001. grant Capt. K anedy stated that the rate would diminis to li telt - unexpended, and that would all be gone before the bill coul I :ne t , and that the money in tho end would havebe paid Viscount CASTLEREAGH—A very large Imply. receive the royal assent He did not think it woald be SOU out of *come inwhich, of course, be meant ad or other, by Mr. LABOUCHERE wee Ir re vide?. to observe sistent with his duty to suffer an interval to pees without the imperial exchequer, se there was no fund in Ireland that the lupus(' used was " I am prepared with an answer affording the n-cessary relief, or to leave destimte thaw from which it could be obtaired. This was the en:- toile noble lord's propositicn." unions which now required 5,0001. a week, because of an deem of men empl teed by the government ; ant Lord J. RUSSELL continued —Having before stated it to accidental delay in the Rate in Aid Bill. (Hear, hear.) it was clear that her Majesty's ministers, prior be his intend= to retire, he stopped , o heat tne noble lord's , If the house interfered, and prevented the bill from pining, to proposing the rate in aid, could not have con- Viscount Castlersegh) aeleeire ou which ' l 'mm' mh er g en. " e ° he mast bow to its decision; but he =mid not, after that suited them, - or, that having con.ultad them, they took I cock celled out "No, no." It then awe= to him that if &ewe . , scathaeue anyfarther ndeaaee team the tanooz no amiss of their opinions. The evidence went to show that be received the noble lord's answer, ether geneilesses might the But it was not likely thee more dna 5,0001. would the collection of the new t hat l only be accomplished ' ray that they were not Per" to the mimin g which advanced out of the 100 0001. during the interval that by the ail of the military ; it would be considered as noble lord bad attended, and that he would, therefore, be in. .•the stages of the bill were being get ter nigh. Should the oppressive ; that the maximum was an absurdity ; that the valved in a debate as to what wee the reel "Me of 11 ° 1 . 14 ' bill be thrown out, be would then come down to the house new rate could not be collected and the old also ; that the lag. He, therefore, resumed his original intention of goiter ,_ and ash them to vote, as a print, whatever sates may have sundials would resign rather than strike it ; that the loan into the next room , meting that if the meetin g mimed " r been advanced out of the element vote, and no further sums would never be paid ; that the opposition , passive at any further explanations he should be kappt to a ff ord them. shall, be the meantime , be hatted and that oleo Jibed He scald onl y a g ain IN " n the noble lc" t at ke wan very Mr. V. SMITH ir.quired why the precise sum of would follow ; and, finny, that the delltiency would sorry that then should have been say misunderstanding on ,„„ ,0001„ had been slim upon? have to be made up b y the burden being borne by' the subject, end if it wen necessary to make any spiny see The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that those taxpayers in Hashed, whet repreeensatieva now be most willingly would he do se. (Hear, hear.) lie did not the 50,0001. which had already he voted hod listed i li , rod that by means of the rate in aid they were wading en nearer Intend any diatom" sy. three mouths. The rate of expendeure during the SUM- themsolves against payments in futora for Irish distress, Mr. DISRAELI must make one observation on the state. met months would be heavier, and b e 414 not suppose that Well, notwithstanding this evidence, the house was told sent of the noble lord. less than 100,0001. would be sufficient to afford the requiete that it was the determination of the goner to persist The SPEAKER here called the hon. gentleman to order. relief until the harvest could be got in. More might be re. in imposing the rate. Ile could hardly believe that this Mr. DISRAELI sal he was going to make a motion. He quieed, but there could not possibly be less. Beyond this, would be their deo araitian.b e Onputth th e can"a7, ha th w a la ttl!e f thought it highly inconsistent in the noble lord to call a he could cot give any reason for the precise sum that had opinion thot the ad would . n ot that t at u n d o t pl d ra te e d io i ll ;a that it meeting in the way that he had done; and he was surprised been asked for. loan would not be paid, that a =Mater so eminent for his restitutions' knowledge Mr. H. HERBERT then rose to mon the following amend- should ; and, therefore, the more be considered the subect, the more he was led to believe that the house should have taken spelt a couree. (Cries of " Order.") He zone of which he had given notice :—" To leave out all the proceeding upon false principle". lie should continue was, he believed, perfect' yin order. words after the words ' distressed unions in Inland,' is was the not only became it was bad in itself, but Lord J. RUSSELL said that U the hon. gentleman pro- order to add the words , ' and in censideration thereof that 'o oppose rata ,l I Wing be . because it n the way o any ing setter . The lime ceded he must reply. an income and property tax be assessed on incomes was come when they shoull be ashamed of their expedients The SPEAKER thought the house mast now see the and property in Ireland not liable to income and and mo _ , k sbifts in Ireland; and now at the eleventh hour, inconvenience which aroma from not ad 'sing to its rules. property tax under the act 11 & 12 Vie., c. 8." wh n the right ben. baronet, the member for Tameorth, (Hear, hear.) The clerk having reed the order, the noble Ile observed that the bone had expresso:l an unmistakable had come forward to rescue the country from its degraded lord (Lord Castlereagh) mold not proceed without a breach opinion that unless Ireland consented to sea increase of taxi' pesitlo i he (Mr. Hormel) for one welcomed that drat of order. He had ee lded to what ■appeared to Lien to be the ties in some shape, there should be no further grant from and was prepared to give it all the consideration it deserved wish of the Dore , but he 'rusted that the house would now impeeial taxatien. Irish msmbees in the recent emergency The right hon. baronet hal done a preat deal support him, sad proceed in a regular manner. (Hear ) were bound to ernsent ton ch further taxation.. The pro- . y b tits speech he had delivered, but there was I e ion of the evernearnt oil not fulfil the eon& b. that a Mr. DISRAELI said, he, of course, bowed to the decision e a s hould t loudthose b eupon best able to bat it, nor, in• a vsry great del more which he had yet to of the chair, Wine be roes it was to move the aljourtm; nt s el dee d any fair di , and it war con demned by fil even e - do. He had established the msgnitude of the evil, the of the debate , and therefore he had considered himself to be cl a d Pens m u n sin s t:d sa with Ireland; snd in the absence of a vastness of the duty, and the greatness of the &Me lees ; quite in order. No minister would now think that he had and he had drawn hope from the extent of the e eternity. be nder exp edient be proposed tents'. Mr. Herbert come= d taken time to prepare his nervations. (Laughter.) lievirg that that calamity had removed obstacles whee ' no objections which the prop sal had already encountered, et lOATION LAWS. tacked bitterly, as upon termer occasions, the Irish poor law, Id have surmounted ; and that it had humon power cou ,d Captain HARRIS moved the inter ion of the following and declared his resole . ion to pi Mot in his moque. open. el up c orns ot improvement which no roues cr ceu. clause : " And be it enacted, that the master or owner of It had been said that the machinery did not exist for the hare arena' °ft Ho bed gone forth; r, and, in a speech every ship belonging to any subject of her Majesty, and of collecting of an income tax, but that objection might be which betrayed a deeper study of the want. and miseries of the benhen of eighty tons and upwards (except I leisure asily obviated. The hon. member said that the events that Ireland, and a mote sesurate perception of Enelish, o es con. yachts), shall have on b cares at the time of her proceeding had taken place at the meeting of Irish member', called I y pitied with I ri sh inten than he (Mn Herrman) h d ever prom any pert of the Unite I Kingdom, and at all times who Lord J. Russell, had placed him in a different position from heard in that how. (Hear, hear.) He had unfolded *Mint mem the United Kingdoms or navigating the seas, that which be occupied prior to that meatier; but it war lf!elth so large, so horful, and so statesmanlike, sae arpreaties or more, in the following properties to the still his intention to press his amendment, unless the noble thot the time ot parliament could no tenger be wasted upon number of tassel his ship's admeasurement, according to the lord at the head of the g erernment should think fit to treat the consideration of mere make-shifts, hut in future their c oddest' of registry, ( that is to say), ;or every ship of the hone with greater confidence than he had treated the consideration of Irish wants and remedies mu .t embrace eighty tons and under three hundred tons, one *ppm ntice at Irish members, and make such explanations as would justify topes as large and as extensive as those which had been ra ce 1 the least ; for every ship of three hundred tons and nada gtsted by the right hose gentleman. ( mil ) T the withdrawal of the amendment. A sus:. h x-1 six huni red toes, two apprentices at the least; and ter every Mr. F. FFRENCH wasopposed both to the ginal petrie nee and caution of the right . hen baronet WI re such ship of six hundred tons and upwards, three apprentices attr' 1 " . that he never woull have made so large a development tion and to the amen d ment . the least ; all of whom, at tbe period of their being bound of his views, unless he was prepared to adopt that respectively, shall be subjects of her Maksty, and above Mr. J. O'CONNELL condemned both proposit i ons, as development in his plan, and aim at the reconstruction of twelve and under seventeen years of age, and b e, duly hound being most unjust to Ireland, bat of the two would support society in Ireland by a large change in its proprietors. If for the term of four years at least • and if any such master or that of the government, as calculated to afford more heron- the substitution of solvent for insolvent proprietors paved the owner stall neglect to have on troird his ship the number of diet , relief, for even while these =ejects were denting, hat- way for all the changes which might la expected to result apprendoes as hereby required, together with their respective men life was being sacrificed in that country. tram that movement, then, undoubtedly, the house might registered ineentures, as•ignments, and register tickets, he Capt. JONES preferred the proposition of an income tan Mee to see In Ireland an atmosphere of peace, I s h a ll for every such cffet cc fore it sad pay the sum of tan to that of a rate in aid, and should, therefore, vote for the industry, and progreo, instead of that picture which pounds in respect of each apprentice, indenture, astignmest, amendment. lie was convinced that if the rate in aid now presented do 11 of ruin and deepen. (Hear, hear.) or register ticket so wanting or deficient." was enforced, the whole evrking of the poor law would be There were three thiege required by the right bon. gentle- Mr. LABOUCHERE objected to the clause. Be did not endow . Ted. man's plan—first, to give a sample title; seendiy, se curity for mean to state that the =teen to which shipowsers were re- Mr. R. 51. FOX protested against the quiri • d to take apprentices under the present system be the eastern unions to support the pauperism of those in the (Lsuehnr.) Each one of these depended on the other. and volved, as a Kestrel rale,any very serious ' burden ; but still west. They were already in the eastern districts paying ■ • any attempt or the - kind upon so large a scale must be la the compu l sion upon them, being or universal application, vine heavy rate in aid in the charge thrown upon them by tended with great difficulties ; but, upon the fullest con had en injurious effect in many eases. as, for example the the immigration of the poor from Connaught in search of 'knead= he could give be the right hon. gentleman's plan, ting trade and In short voysgea. There was no ' dan ger employment, and who, fading in obtaining it, were thrown he believed that If it were made in a fair and pa'riotic that the merchant service would extinguish the employment upon the unions, which were compelled to support theta, spiritthese difficulties might be surmounted. As for the propos of apprentices. A proof to the contrary was the fat thst at set tog that in Ireland fhere wi ano law of settlement as there ei lon of substituting a commission Or the Court of Chancery, the present moment the merchant service employed 10,000 was in England. In Longford, the rate in aid paid he thought that the more it was considered, the more likely a , 1 1,000 man apprentices t h in the law o ,, om i toto d • in this way wn not less than threepence in the pound. was it to be adoAe4. When they considered the amount of (Hear, hear.) Now, be very much prefene4 the imprilim of an teems' property mortgaged, the complication of tenures in Ireland, Mr. HERRIES advised his hon. and gained friend to tax, but he nould like an income tut similar to that in East. and the aimed wortblessness of the mejerey of 'he thin— lane to be pa id into the imperial eschequer, to that the Irish ( a 1 h) • in evidence before the • h laugh) — it —it was withdraw kis anendment, and to apply himself on Monday • • people mig ht pours the ?Wit, in times of scarcity and awl- there were very few instance ot title in Ireland in which to the defeat of the Milllllo4l altogether. den emergency. to Ira • from that exchequer for the relief of there was not some flaw. (Cries of " No," and " Hear.") The amendment was withdrswa. the destitute in Conesueht or elsewhere. He had lie He now spoke of the evidence before the committee ; but, Mr. ANDHRSON then moved th e f o ll ow i n g emend; tend attentively to the speech of the right hon. baronet taking all the uncertainties together, it was evident that ment :" In clause I, page 2, line 43, after the word' dell- the member for Tamworth, and he knew that the great men- there were difficulties to conteod with, which no- ciente to inert, ' and that any seamen quitting any vessel sore propounded upon that secra inn was tooled to with thine short of a commission, such as was projected, whatever is order to enter her elsjesty's naval service, and great interest in Ireland; but the fact was, they were in could deal with. (Hear, hear.) The precise nature being received into such service , sleep be exempt from any such a deplorable condition in lee sister co-entry, that they ef it remained yet to In explained ; but he =denoted it was penalty or forfeiture to which they would otherwise be liable grasped at any and every thine. Now the basis of that to bring, as far as possible, encumbered estates into the mar es des rent.' " measure appeared to be, to regulate affairs in Connaught lot—to facilitate the prompt sale of land en 4 the payment of Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the question mooted by through the medium of a cemmission ' compered of Enelish all ecru of arrears. But to effect that they must secure to the bon. member's amendment was :of a class that he was gentlemen, sitting in that province . . But, as both landlords the purchaser a limited Halley which they would not be seat unwi ling he _agitate upon the present (=seem (Hear.) and tenants in that poet of the country wen all needy, how doing by enacting this rate in aid. In fact, a rate in aid was It was very trislt to altering the navigation laws to ep- would it he tensible for any commiss ion to deal between fatal en anything of the kind, for it established an unlimit d the quietism of the system of tanning the navy. He them? He believed that no commission could stead all the liablity. It was that which created such divers in L e tt mean Meg that the system could not to improved, importunity and the demands •hich would ba certain to Ireland, compelled the small farmers to lean their lands, bet ft would be most inconvenient to tench the sub• be made upon them under the circumstances. But was and created an absolute panic. It established the lot in mmagalem with the present bill. He, there- still this extraordinary difficulty to contend with Involved principle that the wealth of Ireland was to be Iw o Mined his hon. friend, who was a supporter in the plan there was a vast scheme of emigration ; and upon confiscated for its poverty, and the industry of Ireland to i of the measure, would not ten= in his amendment. He that subject the commission would have to centend with he made to support the indolence of Ireland. (Hear, hear.) would not enter into any argument on the subject of man- the influence of the Roman catholic clergy, who would not Mr. Fairfl Id stated in his evidence, that the rate in aid sing the navy, but would inertly state that no alteration in submit to have their flocks expatriated, and the obstacles would be doubled or trebled in a short time ; and the lords, the nem would be made, except after the most mature which they meed and would throw in the way of the corn• in their report, added that it would reader culivetion un- deliberate:a. Without entering upon that for ie he should mission would bs quite insuperable. (He er, hear.) Bat, c ruin, prevent the demand for labour and the production merely express his hone that the amendment would be with- beyond all this, he believed that the propositions of the eight of human food. It was therefore evident that it was not by dr • wes, to be must offer it his most strenuous opposition. hon. baronet and of the boo. member for Manchester (Mr. a rate in aid that a limited liability, with a view to promot- Mr. HUME =commended his hon. friend to withdraw the Billet) were based on a wrong tries:Jen, for they darted leg the wenn of land, was to be secured to the purchaser.' amendment. en the supposition that the landlords of every country It was equally evident to him that it was the poor law, After a few words from Mr. !WARD() and Captain F. were the puttee who employed the labourers of that for which that hones was responsible, that had brought HOMILI.Lir, the amendn.ent was by leave withdrawn. country. Now, he believed that the departure of ebtut this state drain. Without it, there would not have smell capitalists from Ireland, which had been so much been greeter distress in Ireland, not leis generosity on the Mn. LABOLICHERE then stated, with reference to the deplored,the boonwhich was greatest could be conferred part of England—but there would have been this difference. dame whisk the right hen. soutisman opposite bad to move upon the bona fecle lab rent, because these capitalists had that the Lyman would not have been driven from their In iiset of Manes 14, that he had no ejection to the den never employed labourers, hut had tilled their lands with lands, nor the capitalists driven from the country, end the = ad of it whisk provided " that it shall be lawful Le her t h e help of their own immediate families. leads left ruinous and desolate as they were. He now came in easacil, upon an addles' or joint address, as the • iller nay be, from the legislative counci4 or council sad sr no objeetien to to the third necessity of capital in Ireland. Col. RAWDON said that he should Dave • sumbly, or proper legielative authority, of say British pos • the rate in aid, provided it were p ro posed in the Writ in If they m ade those changes which were admitted essiee, previa' bat Majesty to authorise the cannon* of which the ast of union had been brought forward by Mr.to be necessary, and showed that capital might' Nosh NA from one part dutch peneine to an. tet premised that thin an identity of ir- 3 M. with semi ty n re an , he Pit - be should be ' b in ed ri i I 1 d believed 1 Um pmt meth pommies in ether than British ship to termite between the two e entries, and that Ireland should that in the natural course of things, capital would declar dis ;e il l seder in counc that seek conveyance she lf he he treated in the same manner as Yorkshire or Lancuhire. low into that country. When thy observed that an eeserdiagly, in such terms and under seek eandi.. Now, if the rate in aid were an imperial impost, extending capital was employed is this country under all encumstances time as tither Majesty shall soma good." b e, with regard • over Ireland, England, and Sentlaad, for the relief of the —and often at groat risk—it was not assuming too much to to the snot= section of the proposed dams, he emild not distress ia Coensught, he was sore that the Irish "MU- my that it would readily be employed in Ireland, which oo „ o t to i t e i t h er to justice to t h ooo k m m a co having mu d tuencies would have paid their share in common with the presented a far more tempting and profitable fit li for the to the principle of the tell. two other countries. He was also certain that if the pose outlay of capital than any ot our colonies. (Hear, hear.) lion of 'rider= were changed, and that they Were called There was •deas of men whom good and useful qualities Mr. OLADETONE expressed his cameo to adopt the upon to relieve English distress, they would, with their were distinguishable in every country, and who were peril. sursestion ot the right hen. gentleman , natural generosity of heart, have coutributed to the relief =lady desired in Ireland • he meant small proprietors. The bill, with amendments. wes then agreed to; and the of their destitute h ethren. Ile hoped, therefore , that he The y . were uniformly foun d to be the best class ; and who third reading weal/Led for Monday next. s h ou ld stand acquitted of any charge of inhumanity when he the , in Switsoland, in Norway, in Flanders, in Belgium, or RELIEF OF DISTRESSED UNIONS (IRELAND). declared that he should vote against the present proposition in France, their cultivation was Invariably the best. Sack On the modem 01 Lard J. Rneenth, the knee then re- of the government, and also against the imposition of an in- being the case, it was desirable to take every means of (e -volved itself into a committee, for the purport of beeriest a come tax, because the peculiar ffircumetances of Irish pea- couraging this der. Ho would do it by dune resources statement from the treasury bin* reepeWng an admire to perty were sack as to render it impossible that any ad- which government were prepared to extend to the improve. the distressed anions in Ireland. anneal burdens could be borne, and it was not in the power men of other kinds of property—by making advances to The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose and eft People to Pay any leeeelle of tesefeut (Hear ) He those to whom advances could beneficially be made. Already nerved that be bed not much more to say then what w e e pted against the manner in which the diernsation of there were two classes of loans in Ireland under acts of paella *needy known to the house 05 the subject of the resolution providence in Ireland had been treated by the imperial par- meat—loans to landed proprietors forl the improvement et which he bad to Meow. The house wee aware of the Vastest. He was bound he proton anima it. Ile bad still their estates, and small sums advanced by loan societies to urgent aeeeesity for affo.ding relief to some of the unless in ringing in his ears the memorable expression of a right hon. enable poor tradesmen to carry on their basing= He would the west el Intend, and they were apprised of the terms of baronet of that house, that it weld be tantamount to a establish a third class of leans, more wholesome and nee the reerlatiee ter advancing 100,0001. ester the Consolidated semene of death to reins the gnat of 60,0001. He finial than either of these. It was notorious that the desire I Fund, to be sear= on the rate in aid about to be imposed (Calomel Hayden) 'reseeded the difficulty =Mitten had for the possession of land was a passim in Ireland ; and on Irish landed property. There were ore or two eir. had in getting the 50,0001. voted. When he read- amongst the farmer class in that country there wee enneueneee whisk he might mention, in order to meow tested the Imilliers of mom y granted for commercial more capital than was generally believed. These men the absolute necessity that existed for the money interests in this country, of width, be was sorry to say, Ire- were desirous, if they could do it securely, to become to be bed. The poor law authorities in Ireland mere- lend bad had little share, he must say that it was ingratitude proprietors of land, payers of interest on loan, instead of as that the money must be immediat e ly forthcoming and (m icy on the puts f the imperial parliament to stand payers of rent ; and to them small sums might be advanced, Hem people are not to be suffered to perish, whatever might thus Uffling as it were when death was at the doer. (Hear, to enable them to complete their purchases — the repayment I be the way in which the Hens should order it to be teem& hear.) He was satisfied that the straggle the ministry had of the loan beirg secured upon the land, and the power of The different inspectors of the Western Unions bad sent in had to obtain the grant of 50,0001. was productive of a pre- subletting and subdivision being strictly limited. Thus tops% of Iles state of their districts. At Carrick-onelhaeuen judicial effect on the country. might a most wholesome clue of proprietors be introduced, A e iesessilst wrote to say, that with a weekly expenditure of Mr. HORSMAN could not consent, and he hoped t h e whose habitsof industry were greater than those of any 3gol. a week, be could only get 1001. out of the local Moo, house would not content, to consider the present as te e mere other cies, and who were mere interested in keeping down I The ['specter of the Bantry Union had been obliged to give discussion of an Irish question. He believed hon. members pauperism sod preserving the peace. He fund by a return hit personal guarantee for the payment of the wheat, flour, were becoming far too much =re to the nature and extent that no less than 1,870,0001. had been advanced in a single and mess, neonsary to feed the poor. At B.llinrobe then of the crisis which had arrived to feel that Irish discussion , year, by the loan societies, to poor tradesmen; for eight or was an accumulation of debts of 4,0001. At Serineford, the orefeseed by those who poems= an Intimate knowledge o ten years together, the advances bad ranged from one to two factors had absolutely refused to grant any further credit for the subjects, could not be carried on any longer without millions ; the number of societies had been extended to 300, the suppl ies. He enured the house that this state being advantageous to the hone generally. He could not and they made a profit of not less than 100,0001. These loses of things did not arise from any want of exertion support the amendment, and he was one of Owes who were all on personal security; that which he therosed would on the rut of the boards of asardime — ea the astray, thought that what Ireland wanted was rat a rate ie aid, be on the best possible Bounty, be: than that of the during the bet fourteen mouths Yew kadeelkesed la is the but a policy. (Hear, hear.) The principle of a rate in aid rate in aid, or of mortgaged estates in Connemara. It pound on a rateable property if soog. at 90,0001. It win had been already sanctioned by the house ; and the question would be, in fact, a double security- not only a security right he should state to the hone what amounts had been now under consideration was one of a smaller for the repayment of the loan, but a security against the advanced out of the 50e001. greeted early in the session. In and narrower nature. They wen asked to advance a flight of small cmitaliets to Arne: ic ~ from which Ireland seventeen unions there had been advanced 38,8001. He hsd stem o f mone y u p o n the security of the rate in aid. Now, was now suffering so much. It would be a more wholesome authorised last week the advance of 5.0001. more—making in what was the value of that nudity, because in that con• species of :can fee this reason—it would extend loans to the w hole 43,8001. betted by the Telemetry in addition to the listed the whole difference between a loan and a gift ? He smell Peorietors, and oeutract those to large ones. Th e 12,0001. distributed by the British Association previous to held a copy of the evidence taken with reference to the system ot lending to large proprietor' was te vicious one ; the neuters of parliament. S. that it would be perceived security in his hand, and he confessed his surp ri se that no s 'veiling was vicious wt kb enabled them go on under the 50 ,00 0 g rant was nearly all expended. Another week allusion had hitherto been mettle to that evidence. It was their embarrassment", and kept their estates out of the mar would =bent the entire fund. He appealed to those who most impoettnt testimony, as doming q ua offi c i a l s emp l oye d ket. (Hear, hoar.) But by the loans to small proprietor:l, were cognisant of the state of the western enions, whether the by the rm o ov vernment , government, and et en well acqinted with the sub- Industry would he stimulated and prudence inciered ; and eons. enema would not be horrid if three were to be • int ; and upon the velidlty of the security of the rate in he hoped that when the plan of the right hon. baronet the enastaten of amistance i He therefore beeped to move that a aid for the lore it wes else, consistene and conclusive. m , ether for Tamworth was more fully developed, the en sum. cot *needier 100,0001., be advanced out of the Co.e It raised the whole . question of the p liey of the rate in c turegement of smell proprietors would form a part validated F oo d , m tho security o f the rate in ga t for the aid, and this again raised the whole question of of it. Then, a suggestion had been made as to giving government aid to smite emigration ; of that house that further contributions should be ta a i e ie e and he die not think the oleo bons of the noble lord (Ras Ireland towares the relief of her own deem, the ett i sell) to this proposal were welleuuneed. The notes lord question wee how they mull be most fairly and ease, f i e! assumed that the only way of assisting emigration was by peed. The hem. member foe Cothermouth spoke of m e paying the passage money ; but there were many other ways evidence of Mr. Twistleton. The opinion of Mr. Twistlete e in which enterprise might be stimulated, not checked. He was against the rate in aid, and in favour of the gyre, of knew an instance where a large proprietor in Ireland had grants from the imperial treasury. The opinions fm then madded to emigrate from his estates, sines the °murmurs of were very strong. (Opposition cheers.) Did he (the Chu. the famine, not lees than 3,060 poor people ; within the last cellar of the Exchequer) ever deny it. He always admit te d few weeks he bad contracted to send out 46 families more, at that the arguments against the rate th aid were sir web, the same time refusing 184 because his means wen ex- sowers the argunentsagainst the income tot (new) ob,. hunted. And why was thin? Because he had not only fore he did not see what hon. gentlemen made of that ohm unt them out of this country end landed then in But the hon. gentleman epee . site was opposed to grime h et the treasury, which he denounced as mitchievi darem e Caned', bat had charged himself with t hei r mainte nance for a certain period afterwards, by finding them impolitic, and unmet, and it was not the view of th e f - e 7, e the t, labo m ur for sixteen weeks after they landed, by setting meroben generally that aUCCfall member for Longfor d iVa marts should be ews at work on a government railway which had from the treasury. The hon. melee. been established in Canada. But for this, he would have hon. member ler Kerry proposed modes for obtaining ease Mee able to sent out more than double the number. It tributions from Ireland bersele. The question then nee, was obvious the government would be able to employ poor what way could Ireland be made to contribute in the s ee emigrants on their arrival in the colonies much more easily easy way to herself for the relief of her own des:entice f aed economically than an individual could. It had also been The notion of a rate In aid had been suggested in Inked suggested that, en the else of emigrants to Australia, the long before it was proposed by the government. A passage-mon y might be raid, and a bond taken for its re- measure of the nature of a rate in aid bad t ele payment after their arrival; and it was the opinion of the applied by the 23d of Geo. 111., ch. 63, for the relief of die, colonists that very few would forfeit such hoed. A third end tressed districts its the north of Scotland. The diminution of extremely valuable suggestion bad been thrown out by Mr. the area of taxation could afford no relief in the dist rartd Bonier in his evidence, that govern:none should have the district. of Ireland, circumscribe it as much as they ewe . power of emigrating a certain number of poor from those A measure with that object then would not be of env no, estates on which they had become a burden, and Tasking the They had not yet learned how far relief would be a5,,,64 expense a charge upon the estate, with the power of corn- by an income tax. The only other measure then was th, Dolling its regiment in the same way as arrears of poor of a rate-inthid. And he found th et, at a meeting of rate. But the question now under consideration war, gates from the different poor law guereians of be. whether or not they should establish • permanent land, which had been held last autumn in lestes se feeliey in Ireland. They had the choice of two for the purpose of considering what amendments N e e distinct policies, either to treat Ireland as it had been he suggested to the present poor law, a swm . treated hitherto, or to alopt another retiree. The don of thin nature had been made an , ege „ hem noble lord at the bead of the I overnment told the mto look The principle of a national rate was therefore append b, forward to a good harvest: the right hon. baronet opposite the delegates of the Iris h g uardians. It ba d been Minted told them that a good harvest would only be a calamity, as to the measure in that house, that the rate would be to, leadine to a renewal of the old state of things. He believed exclusively on one description of property. Sees an elite. that legislation was answerable for the evil of Ireland— tion might be urged spinet any rate in sid, to whatnot (hear, hear) ;—the legislature was deeply culpable for tee purpcst applied. An hon. gentleman bad, however, oppcee4 present state ef that country. The calamity had not come the bill on the ground that it was mean: to preside merely without wattling or unawares. Nearly 10 ye .ra ego a con- for the preservation of life, and that the mop ey vied we, Mateo had reported that femme oneehird of the whole not to go in aid of emiaration. Emigration was, In e set e , population were occasionally in the habit of rec-iving relief ; included in the government plan, bat the ereserration and in the four counties in which there was the meat die- life afforded alone a sufficient ground of tau-:port. Ireland thou it was known that the average life of man had been had a strong claim upon the symenthy of this ottani; i m reduced to 26 years. Here were two startling facts in one if she showed • disposition to contribute fairly towards the of the most fertile countries in the world, a large proportion support of her own poor, this country would not refute to of the inhabitants were habitually paupers; and in one of render her that further assistance to which see would be the meat healthy, the average life of man was sherened by entitled. The hon. member for Kerry (Mr. Herbert) lee ten years. Who dared shut their eyes, and remain caret as objected to the tax, en the ground of what be termed its of these facie? The interests of England and of the topire anti-union tendency, contending that it was a step towards were at stake. The question was, whether they would rot the reparation of the two countr,es. He fret he clamed ream themselves, and endeavour to work out • nobler eta- equality of taxation, and when that existed Irelacd woeld tiny fir Ireland—whether, by infusing new elements of hope, have a claim on the imperial exchequer. The hon. goat.. life, and prosperity into their system, they would at once in- man had also attacked the goverament for endeammine to mew* the resources and add to the security of the empire— obtain the opinions of hon. members opposite. He (the whether they would relieve themselves from the intolerable Chancellor of the Exchequer) bail considered it to be 'g e rm harden of Irish pauperism, by doing what it was their duty upon in that house that party gee stions should be introd ees e to do—whether they would come to the condderatios of as little as possible into the discussion of Irish questions. thane questions in a higher and more generous spirit than (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman said the course pained had hitherto been displayed. They could not mime the by the government was unprecedented in his peelismentuy responsibility. The right hon. baronet (Sir It. Peel), by experience. raising the dimension of these querques, had put them on Mr. HERBERT intimated his dissent from this slato their trial before the country and the world. (Hear, hear.) ment. And if they could not rise at once to the dignity of great taint so understoed the bon. gentleman. With record to • •l s let them at least show that they were emenei- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER earl eer. princep e , the meeting in Downing-street, considering the preient pond nom the thraldom of small devices. and were ashamed of the degradation of mean and mischievous makeshifts. Lion of belied, it appeared to him only fair and reasonable (Hear, hear.) that the government should endeavour to ascertain the spit The of Irish members, (hear, hear ) and they were liebleto The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he had listened to the speeches of the hoe. gentlemen who had pre any imputation for the effort mado to obtain theme opining ceded him with great interest ; and it mirk' hive been sup meet happy would he be to bear his own share of the blame, meted from the *twitch of the hon. member for Cockereuouth (Hear, hear. . y With regard to the quest en of ramose; (Mr. Homan) that they were now discus, ng the Rate in other taxes, his noble friend had ota:ed dieinctly that he Aid Bill. The proposal of the hon. member far Kerry (Mr. dirl not propose to go beyond the rate in aid. tie (the Clan. Herb tett wan one which cnil t not fail to command the sr of the Exchequer) thought it quratieneble whether, if at elven' of the house ; reel he did not think that many Irish an income tax were levied in Ireland on the same elem... as members hart concurred in those views. Three bad cap- - In England, without fixing a lower minimum amount of in• pollee the proposition ; two had d. dared themselves against come, it would produce as muck as a rate in aid. The me it ; and two neither concur ed in it nor the proposal tf the osal of a substitute fora rate in aid was not row received government, hut protested against any addicional burden P with so much favour as it had been. (H tar, hear.) As a• whatever b sing th rown open Ireland. He could enure the . greed the people of Ulster, it appeared to him that their hon. gentleman opposite that it was quite unnecessary for feeling on the subject was one of opposition to all taxation; him to deprecate any expression of reproach from him con- they simply wished that no further burdens might be the H (the Chancellor of the Exchequer). - 8 was not meted on Ireland. He had, on previeus occasions, proposed stious of having ever uttered a stogie word in the lame and grants to benefit Ireland; hoe, without wa y of reproach or taunt against Irish mamba "' (R " r • then entering into the question whether or sit hear.) It had been his painful duty now, for nearly - th e moue had been applied in the beet mu three years, to hear and read, week by week, tales of misery Cr,ne mu st ed distress from that country, which had filled him with far , say he had always thought that Ireland se sh-nld be biped• through her present crisis. (Neu, k eel coca deep a sympathy for the suffering privoling so eaten- But the manifestation of en indisposition on the part of hide sive'' , in Ireland, to allow him to be diverted from' that members to contribute towards th 's object, would he no in. which he believed to be hie duty, even by any angry or in- ducement to members from other parts o: the empire to en temperate observation which he might hest from the Irish members. (Hear, hear.) He knew how we 11 dispose d hon. tend to Ireland further insistence. In preparing this nee. sure the government had been influenced by the feeling that gentlemen were to impute whatever went wrong in Ireland it imposed the lightest burden beemeans of which relief could to the government; but he knew also how great was the afforded to the suffering portion of the community. suffering in parts of that country He could therefore assure be them he would hear patiently the reproaches which they Mr. DISRAELI said that the first half of the spode el made under circumstances which rendered it moat natural the 'Wit hon. gentlemen was f suoded on an asnimptim for them to make. He would net lee induc •d by them to that members on that side of the house were onoeed to any offer an answer to the imputations which had been thrown grant of public money, as extraneous aid to Ireland in her out. It was hie wish to avoid anything that could excite distresses. The right hon. ger.tleman was not warranted angry feeling darkest the course of the debate, and this assumption. No gentleman on that side if the home he should be sorry that any person should suppose had, at any period of the session, opposed a grant ts i that the government would be temp'ed to be Ireland; all that bad been insisted upon was that driven from whet they conceived to be their euty any grant given to Ireland should be accompanied site roue by any feeling of that description He could south the measure or measures calculated to prevent the necessity fa gentlemen connected with Ire line, that if he stimuli feel it a recurrence of such appeals to the ',abider.) in them Fie duty to point out how the conduct of the Irish members (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gentlemen bad taunted the had aggravated the difficulties of dealing with this question, hen. member for Northamptonshire as though he had bin he did not mean to do it in the way of reproach, but with a guilty of inconsistency in this matter thrush feeliug of regret that these di ffi nelties, grave in themselves, the - hon. gentlemen bad not on a memorable oast hat been aggravated by the course which some of them had aeon that session, distinctly maniinted what were thought it right to pursue. The government had been the feeling' of members on his aide of the house on this rub• accused of ignorance of the festinate of the people of jr. land, jest. The right hon. gentleman had read with great en and had been reproached with neglecting the suggestions of phasis a resolution which had been submitted to that house, their representatives. For himself he could say that he was not as proving the imputation of inconsistency he made suite guilty of neglecting any suggestion made by Irish members, the hon. gentleman ; and having read that resolution the with • view of improving the condition of that country. It right hon. gentleman had shut up the volume whecce he read was bus they did sometimes advert to the differences of it, quite as though the resolution stood there alone, and et opinion which existed amongst the Irish members, but they though that resolution was not ncenmpanied there by tea must themselves admit that it in a great degree added to the other resolutions, one of which emphatically enunciates the difficulty of adopting any of those suggestions that opinions principle that meanie non that tide of the house were pa th* most orsposed to each other were given by themselves. fleetly prepared to assist the government in ante leg (Hear.) He had stated, oa more than one occasion, that a such :en emergency as that laid before them great revolution was taking place, at least in the west of the case of Ireland, but that in doing so they felt Ireland. He attributed the condition of that country to the imperatively bound to call upon the government to construct loos of the potato crop for three successive years, but at the same time such measures as should be calculated to the hon. member for Coikermeuth attributed it to the prevent the recurrence of the emergency. (Hear, lone malmdmiui tration of the poor law, and the end -legisla. The right hon. gee demon had deprecated the involute= sloe of that house. (Hoar, hear.) Hon. gentlemen op- into this discussion of any consideration touching the Irish opposite attributed it to the working of the poor poor law ; but this deprecation had not hindered the right law in its details. But could any person who considered hon. gentleman from himself introducing the tufted of the the subject for r moment doubt that :he real cause was the area of taxatien ; the illustration which the right hoe, gee abandonment of their holdings by thousands of p. none whose tleman bad made use of on thie topic, the case of the news staple food had failed, and the consequent distress and ruin of Kilrush, was a most unfortunate one for his poetise. The which had fallen upon the proprietors, who could not get sight bon. gentleman had shownthe most extraordinary Mae their rents which they bat heretofore derived from the cul. try in scraping together, from every . conceivable and interrite tare of the potato, and not to tie large lIIZ3 of the area of able quarter, evidence of all sorts in favour of hie rats i s aid taxation. (Hear.) It might be that the poor low had at- scheme ; but an hon. gentleman en that side of the holes gravated the pressure on property, hut no person could doubt had anticipated the right hon. gentleman is the, .by tee . that life had been saved, and that the destitution and misery produetion of a similar mass of ev.duce. which mate . of the people had been mitigated partly by the effec t s of the buoy e d the ri g ht hon. ger.tlemaces case. The areumelote th... poor law and partly also by the assistance which had been the right hon. gentleman were supported by engulf:lend!, glven for that purpose by this country. (Hear.) But when lic:tous authorities. The right hon. eitudeuthe hid referr ed the Irish members themselves said more than once to the 23 Oeo. 111. for a precedent which was to "M ai ." that this assistance only tended to aggravate the distress, pure ment t r iumphantly through on this occoion, that and was even no benefit to the thousands whom it saved from to say, be quoted as the precedent ter law a Ta:t ia the last misery of starvation, ne person should be surprised aid, the case of a country where no poor %use* if English and Scotch members felt lima disposed than they and the population being, from the occurrence o f 1110: Oulargiall would be to extend that relief which was absolutely spread calamity, in a state of starvation, commirs d ioce met neermary if they meact to save life in Ireland. The hon. supply in each county of Scotland wer e empowere rato saseaber for Roscommon had said that it was a breach of sums in each county for the relief of the suffering pee. faith on the part of parliament that 1,800,0001. was levied This might be a precedent for a poor law — spread wbiee, tinder the poor law last year for the relief of Irish destitu- in the particular case, was not followed, but it wain ye. lien, because it had been stated that 350,0001. would be the cadent for a rate in aid. (Hear, hear.) The cam se fp probable amount. Now, although he could not see by right hon. gentleman , as it rested upon the argument of the what perversion of words this could be construed into a breach Mysterious Society in Dublio,of which non e of the geodledge. esist knowledge that an additional burden of 1.300,0001., ex. was eenally baseless. He (Mr. Disraeli) s h ou ld most teff tweeted from an empoverished country like Ir. lend by the questionab ly vote for the amendment of h is hon. (needd ds poor law for the year ending last September, beyond whet member for Kerry, called upon as he was to decide berstel: was considered the ordinary amount, showed an immense that amendment and the rate in aid. (Hear , hest) exertion en her part—more than English and Scotch mem- should vote for that amendment mainly , though not ;Les ben were disposed to allow, and which exertions on the seemed tea have any know of faith on the put of parliament, yet he was ready to ac- connected with the locality part tiney, for the reason which lord been state d b y moth of the people of Ireland constituted a fair and just claim on one hen. gentleman, and in the last instance by the 1 0, !• thn country which was suffering unparalleled distress and had tion in which he found the legislature the consideration of the house for some assistance to a member for Longford—that was to say, in the &Seeder* made unparalleled exertion.. (Hear, hear.) He would for an Income tax rather than ; for • rate in aid, beams le s a not then enter into the question of the area of taxa- that an income tax would not press on the small fine; stem, which would be more properly discussed when the whereas a rate in aid would. (Hear, hear.) Mel ta i teo bill for the amendment of the poor law came a consideration which he though ought peculiulv to Irma under consideratioe, farther than to say that if they were di- wi h those members who coos dead that the sm minished to the smalleet extent such • measure could have especially, had been most:grievously oppressel 'e'e r no effect in mitigating the distress of such unions as Clifden fatal policy of the parliament in relation to the coraft e . and Bellies, tow ch extraneous aid meet still be supplied (Hear, hear.) He considered it highly desirable thee!: if is these unions was to be preserved. (Hear, hear.) proceeds of a general property and 'some to, When the government proposed • grant for the relief of should be levied from Irish sources, should bs fe distress to Ireland, which—whatever general measure might culiarly, should b 3 solely applied to heaS, be &doped—was absolutely indispensable as a measure of em- poses. (Hoer, hear.) Re did not imagine Sas t :ere; mediate relief, it was opposed, indeed, by some English and any particular gain would accrue to the empire from Scotch members, and when the hen. member for Montroee arrangement, but the arrangement was one whieb ref stated that 16e. in the pound poorrate had been paid last ear be agreeable to Irish feelings, to toe just plias of BMW; plead—fee sithuldeees. in his parish, it was hardly fair to call on this country (Hear, hear.) He was also in favour of an ink tar ' to contribute to the relief of distress in Ireland. But the cease it wss an impest which would touch all speciee.oe C main opposition come from the hon. gentleman opposite— party, and act as • protection against that system unto:: (Mr. Stafford ), who moved an amendment to the govern so long prevailed of oppressing the land wit h ceteliee. meet proposition, and who pointed out the injustice of call- then. (Hear, hear.) lie bad no confides in • rates= ine on the people of this country to contribute to the relief of for this reason above all others, that, as was d._ ess .... Irish distress. Ano th er Irish gentleman raid, that Irish f ro- dent to him as to the hou eat liege, sea tf". th e!' perry ought to msiutain Irish poverty ; end the noble lord try at large, that government bad no conti lence in it ths the member for the county of Down said, it was enly rea- selves. (Hear.) When the house first met th'e a ra. seeable that the poverty . of Ireland the uld be maintained said, li on proposition made to it by the government Ireland. His hon. fnene the member fa Matte taid, tion that had been looked forward to with such deep in woe it ter.) Well, when English and Scotch members heard moe to give temporary that he did not want " our dirty money." (Laugh- the proposition, namely, merely for a flll , l l O a such declarations from the members from Ireland, what sna r e s of extreme disappointment in and out of U 4 could be more natural for them than to say that this country (Hear, hear.) The sufferings of Ireland were neither should not be taxed to support the distress and destitution of in date nor novel in character; their nature and their e... 1; Ireland ? (Hear, hear.) But the government felt it to be had been manifest to the government as to tee coo I; et essential that extraneous aid should be given, if life was to long period previously, throughout 'the winter , t ambg e eta be preserved. Take the case of the nnien or Kilrush. No the autumn, to go no further back, awe the home so the Loa than 13,000 persons bed been turned locee within the country had, therefore, the fullest right to esee t _ t e b e relief to Ireland, was natethele osa list year from that union. (Hear, hear.l Their houses were upon the assembling of pasliament government weeeee pulled down, and the people driven forth he:mochas prepared with some distinct and emphatic remedialmemer, was set and helmet-is. (Hear, hear.) Raw were they to be AU that the government had to propose, howeve r, fe die maintain, d? (Hear, beer.) It was impossible that they advance of a small sum of money to stave off imnedla could be maintained without extraneous aid ,• and what true, and the appointment of a committee to inquireeoetheen" was it but bitter mockery to talk of "self-reliance" to a Irish poor law. The impolicy of this line of eon teite` es the kindly feelings of the hon. member for Northamptnn people in that condition ? (Hear, hear.) If he del not know forcibly urged upon the government, but to no peerr ; ee e shire, he should not know what to think of his opitg such it was only when the general feeling of indi:nsat sum was voted, the committee was app.the lenge/lee in refereuce to a people in such ea condition. He appointment that prom ed the country became e ote e. would not read the p : ainful details of the accounts which he cell,' manifest to the n o 8 tl at th e noble ! .. 7 . received of this union, which was not s neuter in this denly, precipitately—he might almost say with ee l ' i s m', respect, although the extent to which evict!. ns hat leen came down and proposed a measure, making it the s e' e r f carried was not perhaps so great in other Ulli.llo. As it was clod:Von oa his proposition, that tee commute of woe we the opinion of the great majority of the members should not inquire. (Hear, hear.) When b° told that grsaia. g meat pro fartaielY winds 88 D ev er . tie a oasatati l o athe o n labial that no w ith it that had sea. - c ft thing e. ' work in ] - pleas doub nit.l =era prop that able of C 11 •14 kepi 4am shoo then the poor tied 'tor Mug' rain ;foil; bat pro me. Prot Irha Frei they a ta tlr don for Yel ree if t lot did