The Express. — London, England, 1867-10-23 00:00:00

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A desperate attempt is being made to take the popular leadership out of their hands, and to confer it on the followers and holt:tors of Mr. DISI:AELI and Lord Diaaiv. Such an attsnpt could only possibly succeed for a time, but it cannot succeed fur a moment if the Liberal party is true to itself. Yet it initst be confesaed that in their satisfaction at the triumph of Liberal principles sonic Liberal politicians brave aluwst seemed to approve the means by which the triumph has been obtained. Thejbad political morality which has been taught the people by the Conservative leaders, and which they are now preaching all over the country, may do more to confuse and corrupt public opinion than the most obstinate betrayal of popular desires and hopes. But there is probably a better means of counter acting this teaching than oven that of prophesying against it. Although no Liberal politician should lose an opportunity of saying a word for political morality and political honour, and though it must be made as clear as day that no upright man can share the responsibility of the Conservative sur render, it will be needful to direct the attention of the people forward as a ell as backward. Su long as we remain on the field on which the Reform battle has been fought it will be difficult to enable the people to distinguish the friends of liberal progress from its foes. But as soon as the army is re-formed and the advance is sounded, friend and foe will separate of necessity. Thi:. therefore, the work of the hour for the Liberal party. It must be on the move. The word must be " forward." The Liberal programme is not exhausted by Reform—it is only begun ; and the people must be at once familiarised with the more important reforms which yet remain to be made. Tho question is everywhere being asked by the people, "Now that we have " the franchise, what shall we do with it ?" The reply of Toryism is everywhere the same, "Sup " port those who have given it to you." Of course, Liberalism has to reply, " Use your fran " chises to ensure necessary reforms." But though a lar4e number of the working classes have a complete knowledge of what such reforms are, there are probably yet larger numbers who require to be taught. The political education of the better class of artisans has been completed by exclusion and agitation. They have learned to understand politics and to know themselves in the school of political discussion and debate. But among the classes which have now been admitted to the fran chise are many who never dreamed of enfranchise ment, and whose knowledge of politics is of the most limited kind. It is to those classes Toryism is appealing, and it is such classes that Liberalism must instruct. Their political education has yet to begin, and any political knowledge they may be expected to act upon has yet to be communicated to them. It is for the local and national leaders of the Liberal party to undertake this work. They must come more and more into contact with the people. Instead of descending into the arena once a year, they must go down frequently and instruct the people on great political questions, and indoc trinate them with great political principles. They have the popular ear, and they must use the ad vantage it gives them, not merely to rally the people to their flag, but to confirm them in the principles of political morality, to teach them the doctrines of political liberality, and to guide them in the path of political progress. We are glad to know that some active steps in this direction have already been taken. At the request of some political organizations of work ing men some leading Liberal politicians and phi losophers have agreed to deliver lectures during the next few months on political questions. Pro fessor FAWCETT and Mr. STANSFELO are already announced to lecture to the working men of Lon don, and in several provincial towns gentlemen of local rc;eitation are undertaking a similar task. Before the present recess is at an end this effort will, we hope, have become general. By such means, and by the general popularization of its methods, the Liberal party will take the load of the newly enfranchised population. Contact with the people is the condition of popular sympathy, and popular sympathy is the necessity of leader ship under popular rule ; and surely, now that both parties are bidding for that leadership, it will fall to that party whose sympathy for the people is dictated by its principles and proved by its his tory, and not to that party whose popular sym pathy is contradicted by its constitution and is only simulated by its fears. ALDERMAN ALLEN is about to begin his mayor alty well. At the request of a number of the most eminent bankers, merchants, and other citizens of London, he is going to reduce the 1 aruual i. rd Mayor . 6 %%HMI reitsonid d e limits. The public expects seuaihle oanloct of Alderman ALLEN, and next to suppressing the maisance altogether, which we suppose is not to be thought of at present, he could do nothing wiser than miti gate it. The aim of any reform should he to make the Lord 3layor's customary visit to We , Iminster as little of a " show "as possible. There is no reason why the Chief 3lagistl-ate of the City should not go to see the Judges like any other t:catle• man. At present it is that very siwctacul:.r cha• racier which City conservatives are most anxious to uphold that makes the procession of the 9th of of November a yearly danger :u:d a scandal ; and as long as the " state coach" is paraded, there will be a mid) of roughs to escort it, and make the streets impassable for decent people. As we led our readers to anticipate, the credi bility of the woman JAN u u N, who has been exainniol before the o Tuner for Middlesex as a witness against the prisoner Cluov has completely broken flown. The police have made inquiries into her antecedents, and it appears that she is not so unaccustomed to giving evidence as might be sapposed from the maladroitness of her statements. Neither the police nor the counsel for the prosecution place the least confidence in what she says, and, in fact, they yesterday took care to shi.w, by their free reference to her past life, that they do nut intend to rest the charge against GuovEs in the slightest degree upon her story. We must expect such scenes as that which was exhibited in the St. Pancras Vestry Hall yesterday as long as wo are under the neces,ity of offering a money reward for evidence. It is a temptation which weak natures =mot witln:tand, and Mrs. JANNIAN does not appear to have been in the habit of resisting temptation. In the meantime, the mystery of poor M cc- Niff.f.'s death seems as far as ever from eluci dation. OUR CONTEMPORARIES. (THIS DAY.) THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 23, 1867. LATEST INTELLIGENCE. FRANCE AND ITALY. The T. hips has the following The last and decisive communications on the Roman question were directly exchanged between the Emperor of the French and Victor EramannAl, and it was in conse quence of a letter from the latter to the Emperor contain ing assurances and declarations that counter orders were sent to Toulon. But of course communications took place also between our Minister of Foreign Affairs and M. Itattazzi, and according to the report of well informed persons, the former used such strong language that, war not having taken place, be finds him self in a rather difficult position. This is perhaps the source of the report that M. de Lavalette was to take the position of Minister of Foreign Affairs. The Lib,fte, in an article by M. do Girardin, says The weighty fall of M. Itattazzi justifies all we have said of that minister, who has shown that, between him and Count Cavour, there is all the distance that separates the ape from tho man. His double dealing has only succeeded in arresting Garibaldi and compromising Italy with regard to the French govern ment, which declares that it considers it to be a duty of dignity and honour not to allow the signature of France appended to • treaty to be violated or disregarded. We should have nothing but praises for such conduct if with equal firmness and vigilance it caused the signature of France to the treaty of Landon of May 8, 1852—which guaranteed the integrity of Denmark, and its signature to the treaty of Zurich of November 10, 1839—wht eh fulfilled the preliminaries of Villafrancs, to be also respected ; and if it had likewise watched over the Emperor Maximilian as effectually as over the sovereign of the pontifical states. The dignity which we admire is that which has neither fits, nor partialities, nor weaknesses, nor caprices. The Florence correspondent of the same journal says : As might have been expected, M. Rsttani asked Prussia to support the claim of Italy to Rome. Perhaps ho did more ; but Herr Von Usedom, the Prussian minister, re- plied in such terms as left M. Rattazzi no hope. This news is quite correct TIIE CIII , TS IN nic PAPAL 1,7,111:,:. The Ti lilf'S c. attitines to urge that if the affairs of Italy are left to the Italian government the Roman timattion may be settled without violence to popular opinion or disturbance of European peace. If the work were appropriated by the French government no man can forecast the consequences. Italy and France would be come enemies, and all the recent cmnbinationa, or assumed combinations, of states udght be reorganised or developed with Vie prospects of war. If the Emperor can avert an immediate convulsion, as seems not impossible, and can reconcile the exactions of the September convention with the exigencies of that kingdom which he himself created, he will de•erve all credit for his success, but the difficulty itself will sill remain to be dealt with, and will be a never•failitig source of such perils and alarms as those from which wo have now, perhaps, unexpectedly escaped. The attitude of the French Emperor, the /Judy Ne. , a °bee. ves, is as derogatory to Italian independence as it was before. It was impossible for him to put a greater intliguity on the King and people of Italy, and his conduct fixes irrevocably the disposition with which the Italian people must henceforth regard him. It is the King of Italy, not M. Rattazzi or General Cialdini, who has engaged to do what the Emperor requires ; and the confidence of the Italian people in him is now put to the severest proof it has hitherto had to sustain. The Italian people are at this moment in a state e suspense that is almost agonising, and it is impossible to foresee what may happen from day to day ; but come what may we sincerely trust that the dire calamity of civil war may be averted. To the serious defeat which the OcribildLuis have encountered, the seizure of Garibaldi himself must have contributed, and besides their own want of discipline and equipment, we must allow for the enthusiasm with which many of the Pope's troops are inspired. At present all that can be said is that everything is remitted to a future settlement. Italy has suffered a grave moral and political defeat. The French Emperor has dissolved the obligations which bound Italy to him, and made a practical alliance between the two States for a long time impossible. But while the ad vantages which the Empetor receives himself are eva nescent, and the loss he incurs must be lasting, the Pope's temporal power is no more secure now than its was three months ago. According to the Standard the only action of Lord Stanley in the matter consiste of a despatch to the French government, in which ho expressed the pain and regret with which the majority of Englishmen would see a fresh occupation of Rome by a French army. The Stoddard further believes that whilst the Emperor has received Lord Stanley's note in the friendliest spirit, the Italian govern ment has expressed its thanks to the Foreign Secretary for having done all that it could expect him to do in the matter. Tho Trley:mph is convinced that the good sense of the Italians themselves will ere long recognise the painful trial to which their sovereign has been exposed, and will appre ciate the spirit in which it has been met and surmounted. BUTCHERS' BILLS. Contrasting the wholesale prices of meat with the retail, and the difference between the charges in London and in moat midland and southern towns with those in the north of England, the Timm remarks that the butchers' trade is in the hands of the sellers. We are all either too indif ferent or busy to look into the matter. It has been so with fish for years. As • rule the loaf is cheap when wheat is law, hut it now seems as if the price of beef and mutton were to be maintained quite independently of the price of oxen and sheep. Let us understand how it is that mutton can be 6d. a pound to one customer and Is. a pound to another, or Is. a pound in London while it is 61 in Lancashire. The very beet of beef was actually to be had for 7d. • pound in Liverpool maiket on Monday morning ; tho very best of mutton fetched Id. less. Are we to be told that the south of England is shut oft from the north of England so completely as Orissa from Bengal! Meanwhile the Tilliea would like to see the bushiest' of the Australian supply taken largely and effectually in band. For every sheep standing in the Metropolitan Cattle Market on • Monday morning Australia could with the greatest ease send us two, and at about tie. a carcass as bought on the spot. It is of no use importing a few tins as curiosities. Australian and English meat should lie side by side on every stall, and if 1$ butchers in l'aris have already consented to sell home, we may expect that our own butchers will make up their minds in the end to deal in preserved beef and mutton. First of all, however, we have our home tariff to rectify, and, after the figures just placed before the public, • reform cannot be long de. layed. MISCELLANEOUS TOPICS. The Tines regards the Emperor of Anstria'a visit to Paris as merely one of oeremony—a return for the civility that ham been shown to him at adsburg. He will have his two prime ministers—Heger& Von remit and Andraasy, in his company ; but it is in order to carry on indispensable home lumina., of their own, not to meddle with other peeple's affairs, that the Kaiser's reepensible advisers travel with him. The Emperor is a man both of a natural and a cultivated taste, and Paris would have at all times sufficient attractions for one who has so few days to devote to them. A comparison of the last electoral returns from the United States with those of the oongresaional elections of last year confirms the anticipations of the Dail!, Neu., that the democratic gains would be found to be relative rather than absolute, and the local issues involved render it im possible to accept the result as • conclusive evidence of any change of opinion on matters of national policy. Even should the hopes of the democrats be realised by New York, Pennsylvania, and Ohio all sending democratic delegations to the forty-first Congress, the republican party would still have • large majority in the house, and an almost undimissiabed majority in the senate. All that would have happened would be that the power to pass a bill over the veto of • democratic president would have ceased. But simultaneously with the meeting of • new congress—for the present will exist till March, 1859, • new president will take up his abode in the White House—• president elected by the same majority which has elected the congressional majority. The Tinieg, on the other brut!, :nannies that the repub lican party is all but destroyed, and that the long struggle of parties is about to pass into another phase. Tice party in power, =calling to our contempormy, has filled every prablie ollieu with its most comipt agents and dependents, it has created a " negro difficulty" which it will take gene. rations to unravel, and it has experimented upon the national finances and commerce until a general sense of insecurity has been established. Tim St ,, r, treating of Mr. t;ilidn's speech at Northamp. en•: on rtlonday, expresses its satisfaction at finding that not only does be announce as a matter of course a complete change in our policy towards Ireland, but that he gives in his adhesion to the cause of national unsectarian educa tion, tlg.tinst which he bad fought for long years by the side of his friends, now also converted to the same prin ciples, Mr. Morley, Mr. Baines, and Mr. Miall. As a voluntaryist be makes confession that voluntaryism has failed to meet the exigences of the crisis. Ho sums up the situation in words which pat the case most clearly and irrefragably:—" If the national funds are to be spent in grappling with popular ignorance an its fatal effects, it is better to spend them on schools than on prisons." the Court. BA.LIIORAL, Ocr. 21. The Queen, Prince ;Ind Princess Christian, Princess Louise, and Prince Leopold attended Divine Service in the parish church, Cr.ithie. The Marchioness of Ely and Colonel Porslishy were in attendance. The Rev. A. Scott, of Glasgow, officiated. The Princess of Wales took a carriage drive yesterday, attended by Viscountess Walden, THE COURT A f BALMORAL.—On Thursday last her Majesty and suite drove from Balmoral Castle to the Ballochbnie, and thence ascended the wooded profile of Craig Cluny, opposite Invereauld.house. On Saturday her Majesty and party drove from Ike/moral through Braemar and rig Corriernulzie Falls and New Mar-lodge, &c. Their Royal Highnesses the Prince and Princess Christian, on Friday last, drove through Braemar to the beautiful falls of the Quoich, returning to the Highland palace in the evening. Both in going and returning, horses were changed at the Invercauld Arias HuteL On Sunday the Queen attended Divine service in the church of Crathie. I fer :Majesty was accompanied by their Royal Highnesses Prince and Princess Christian, Princess Louise, and Prince Leopold, and attended by the ladies and gentlemen of the court, including the Marchioness of Ely (Licly.in•Waiting), the lion. Mrs. Gorden, the Hon. Ifilrriet Phipps, his Grace the Duke of Buckingham, General Grey, Sir Thomas Bid. dulph, Colonel Ponsouby, &c. The Rev. Mr. Scott, of Glasgow, preached from Acts xx. 24—" But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the minis. try which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God." The church was well filled. _ Wo learn, by telegraph, that the Lord Advocate was presented yesterday with the freedom. of Inverness by the town council. An address was presented to his lord ship in the evening. He was entertained at a banquet at the Caledonian Hotel. The Countess of Cainsborough is in a very pre carious :tats of health. Her relatives have been sum. moned to Exton Park, the family seat, where she is at present staying. _ The Earl and Countess Spencer have arrived in Paris from Althorp Hall, Northamptonshire. Viscountess Jocelyn, in consequence of going abroad, is about to resign her appointmeut of lady of the bedchamber to the Queen, and mill be succeeded by Vi4countess Clif den. Lord Lyons will leave either to-morrow or the following day for Paris, to enter upon his diplomatic functions as British Ambaraador at the court of the Tuileries. His Excellency the Prussian Ambassador and the Countess Dernstorff will not return to tho legation until the middle of next month. Admiral Farragut left the Franklin in Plymouth Sound yesterday morning in the Admiralty yacht and pro ceeded to Mount Wise to visit Port-Admiral Sir William F. Martyn, Itcar,tdmiral the Hon. James 11. Drummond, C. 8., Admiral•Superintendcnt of Dcvonport dockyard, and other officers, were present. It is under stood that the Franklin will leave Plymouth on Friday for Lisbon and the Mediterranean. The Hon. Mrs. Norton thinks that perhaps the greatest comfort a suffering and anxious author can receive may be found in the extraordinary diversity of criticism of the same book. Referring to the reviews of her new novel, " Old Sir Douglas,"Mrs. Norton says :—" I have laid half•a• dozen of these in a neat row, as if they were coloured worsted, or Alice Ross's chenille., and I find that while one reviewer speaks of tameness and vapid sentimentality, another speaks of tragic force and wondrous skill ; and while one declares the characters to be conventional pup pets, another is satisfied that they are only too faithfully copied from real life, and so on with all the qualities re quired or denounced in a work of fiction." At the annual meeting of the United Kingdom Alliance, held at the Free•trade Hall, Manchester, yester day, it was stated that of the 50,0001. required for the "five years' agitation fund," about 45,000/. had already been subscribed. It was observed in the report that too much must not be expected from the new conatitnencieN but still the council felt certain that order household suffrage "the power of the publicans would be weakened." Archbishop Manning attended the meeting, but the reverend prelate said "he had responsibilities pressing upon him which made him act very cautiously." "He rejoiced to work with the Alliance, and if it was possible he would go to the full length of their programme." At a subsequent meeting. held in the evening, he spoke with less reserve. Moral means, ho said, were not sufficient to meet the evil, and the lez,islature must undo the acts which had resulted in the establishment of beerhouses and the enormous increase in the consumption of spirits. A co-operativo society for the sale of meat was formed in London in May last. Thu store is at 23, Rood lane, Fenchurch-street. Associates pay is. a year ; mem bers It., without further liability. Tho present price for best meat is SA. per lb.; everything else at corresponding prices. The patrons are Earl Spencer and the Earl of Ducie. The committee consists of Mr. J. W. Malcolm, M.P., Captain Holman, Mr. D. Forest, Captain Mackenzie, of the London Scottish, and his brother, Mr. A. C. Mac kenzie. Captain S. Flood Page is the chairman of the committee. The society is managed with a view to reduc tion of prices, and not to profit. A memorial has been forwarded to the Home office, asking for a postponement of the trial of the persons charged with the murder of Polioe•sergeant Brett. The memorial is signed by Mr. Ernest Jones, Mr. Cottiugham, and Mr. Roberts, who ground the application for a post. Nnement principally upon the representation that in the present state of public feeling the prisoners would not obtain • fair trial. MR. MCLAREN, M.P., AND HIS CONIVITTIIENTS. —Mr. McLaren, M.P., addressed his constituents last night. He spoke of the Reform Bill. defended the con duct of the Tea-room-party, and expreesed his confidence in the working classes to be enfranchised. All movements in this country that had been crowned with success bed, be said, originated with the workinz-classes. Regar ding Ireland, be said that the Irish church and the mode of holding land in Ireland were almost the sole causes of Pesianism. He would improve the Irish church out of the country, and he thought that the Legislature ought to pass a law compelling landlords to do for their tenantry what landlords in Britain did for theirs. He would, however, resist Berl Russell's proposal regarding the revenues of the established church. In reply to a question as to whether he would legalise trades' unions, he said that for all lawful purposes every trades' union should have the same power of collecting money, punish ing defaulters, and recovering arrears that any benefit society had. CONSERVATIVE DEMONSTRATION IN ESSEX. —A rather important conservative demonstration took place in Essex yesterday (Tuesday) evening, the occasion being the anniversary of the Hinckforl Conservative and Agri cultural Club. Mr. C. Du Cane, M.P. for North Essex, was the chief speaker. The hon. gentleman justified the policy of the government with regard to the reform question, and expressed his hope that the bill of last session would be accepted as a settlement of the matter, at any rate for • generation. As regards the Abyssinian expedition be regretted all wars with semi-barbarous powers, but be believed in the present instance the course pursued by the administration was absolutely necessary for the mainte nance of our preefi ge in the east. Lient.-Colonel Brims again announced his intention to offer himself as • con servative candidate at the dissolution for one of the divisions of the county. (REUTER'S TEIXGRAYS.) THE RISING IN THE PAPAL STATES. FLORENCE, Orr. 22, Rre.vt.w. Telegraphic communication between this city and Rome continues interrupted. Nothing fresh has transpired relative to the ministerial crisis. It is rumoured that Count Pepoii has left for Berlin. The soldiers of the class of 1842, who have been called in, had been retested from duty on un limited furlough. Menotti Garibaldi is said to be at Terni, in Umbria. PARIS, Orr. 73. The Moniteur says :—" The latest advices from Rome state that the greatest tranquiliit2,- still pre vails in that city. No further disturbances have occurred in the Papal States since the retreat of the bands which were dispersed by the Pontifical troops at Nerola." FRANCE. PARIS, Ocr. 23. On Wednesday next the Emperor Napoleon will hold a grand review of the Imperial Guard and the First Army Corps, in honour of the Emperor of Austria. CALCUTTA AND CHINA MAILS. DIARSEILLES, Ocr. W. The Tanjore arrived at 6 a.m. to-day. The made leave for London at 11.30 a.m. The Nyanza, with the heavy portion of the above mails, left Malta on the 21st at midnight. She may be expected at Southampton on the 30th inst. OUTWARD BOMBAY MAIL. MALTA, Ocr. 22. _ _ The Bangalore, from Marseilles on the 20th inst., arrived at 4 p.m. to-day, and leaves at 4 a.m. to morrow, for Alexandria. AMERICA. IN, Oct. M. The Hamburg and American Company's steamer Saxon's, from New York, passed the Needles at 12.20 p.m. to-day. THE DOCTRINE OF CHURCH AND STATE IN IRELAND. The Siecle, remarking on the recent decision of the Roman catholic prelates of Ireland against state aid, says: "The catholic church of Ireland deans to remain a ` free church in a free state,' according to the cele brated formula of Count Career. This is indeed a remarkable resolution. The Irish clergy hold essentially to the doctrine of separation of church and state. What will the papacy think of such a proceeding? Article 5.5 of paragraph vi. of the syllabus suinexed to the Encyclical of December 8, ISCA, anathematises and condemns as con trary to catholic faith the doctrine that `the church ought to be separated from the state, and the state from the church.' This pernicious doctrine was also condemned by the Holy See in 1862. [Allocution Aseerbissimust, September 27,1862.1 This is clear and precise. Is the Irish church then going to be anathematised by the Pope? Not in the least. Any one who came to that conclusion, after the reading of the text, would only show his ignorance of the true spirit of the church. No doubt the doctrine of the separation of church and state is impious, pernicious, and heretical. But we must distinguish. This doctrine, which is abominable in countries where the church rules, where the civil govern ment is but the humble servant of the clergy, is excellent in those nations where the civil power is not disposed to play second fiddle. England is ono of these nations. Pascal has said, ' Truth on this side, error beyond.' Here is a case in point. The immutable church of Rome changes its akin whenever it finds it is its interest to do so." WEATHER REPORT.-(THIS DAY.) WEDNESDAY. OCTOBER 23, II A./L led Ettreme. Ses, T W. lito W. IL tto 12 F. D. 9. - - Nairn ...... 29.83:50 W.S.W. 1 5 W. 8.19. bo 0.18 1 Aberdeen .. 29.91 57. N.E. 1 4 B.W. of - 1 Leith .91 1 5,51 8. 3 6 9.W. C - - Ardrodean... 29.81 541 E. 1 0 S. cr 0.18 1 Grecneastle..i'Ll.tit'bo' Z. 0 6 B.W. r 0.44 - Velentte..- 29.87921 N. E. 3 8 W. r 0.4 e 3 lteehe's Pointrte2 57, 8.8. W. 5 6 8.8. W. o - 4 Lberp001....!30.06 53. 8.8.8. 4 4 8. o - 2 uolyheivl _129.06,65; 3.& W. 6 6 S.S. W. o 0.62 - Penzance_ .. 30.03 57 8. i 5 5 B.W. mo - 4 Brent «..'30.0154' N.E. 3 5 S.W. fo - 6 Lorlent - 2 Rochefort.- 30.04'431 E. N. E. 3 2 N. N .W. b - 2 Plymouth Weymouth 50.09 59, B.P. W.S.W. fc - PortunOuth 130 10 58, S.& E. 3 1 4 B.W. re 0.04 2 Inculon 3O 13 56; 3.3.13. 3, 4 &W. o 0.01 - lenuouth 0 30.17 55, 8. 2 3 W. f - 2 fkikrtwoogh 1341.10 51 B.W. 2, 3 B.W. b e - 2 ld Shies 1 30.03 55 B.W. 2 2 &W. cm - 2 - - - REMARKS. nib morllll-3 barometrical pressures are nearly uniform ; an : . This mornimi barometrical pm, _ are nearly uniform ;an Increase has taken place In the north, and • decrease in the south. The realon of maaJmuee pressure use to the eastward. The temperatures are high In the south of Muria/id, but much lower on the French cost. Rochefort is 14 demi colder than Poosanee. Winds, wh ch were fresh from the W. last night, are now moderate—variable at the northern and western stations, and in the Channel have picked to the south-east, Fogs have prevailed in the south, sod some rain has fallen. The Gazette di Torino announces that the Italian console in France have been "prohibited absolutely by the French authorities from corresponding in cipher, by tele. graph, with the Italian government." The following no t e appears in the Gazette des Strangers, Paris :—" Mile. Adeline Patti has no thought of marrying, and she believes she violates no propriety in thus giving the most formal contradiction to the falsest ocejeckno. SU is betrothed only to art." 7YIE PA Ar•A NGLIC.IN :51.; AN AMERICAN ACCOUNT OF THE DISCUSSIONS. (From the Krao York Clorrek The council of Lambeth has its business sessions, which continued through Taeqlay, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, until after d o'clock in the after noon. As they act with none but themselves prestut (except a stenographic reporter), mid as their proceedings were to be regarded as confidential until the session closed, and as a motion was carried at the close that the steno graphic report should be written out and laid up in the archives at Lambeth Palace, but not printed ( ! )—it is simply impossible to give anything like an adequate or full account of the very interesting and important dis cussions that have occupied the attention of the council. The things done are to be published at once in full, toge ther with a synodical epistle or pastoral letter signed by all the bishops present. The two subjects that caused the greatest discussion were—first, the statement of the standard of true catho licity, and secondly, the question of Natal. On the former of these points, the programme of proposed business mentioned only the First Four General Councils. On the first day, the Bishop of Vermont moved to change the four to six, and earnestly supported the motion. The Bishop of Illinois moved to omit the numeral, making the reference indefinite ; and the Bishop of Win chester then proposed to omit the phrase altogether, which was carried. But this conclusion was felt to be too unsatisfactory to stand. The discussions on that day were so prolonged that they did not get through with the first resolution ; and accordingly, on a subsequent day, when passing upon the latter clause of it, the " undisputed General Councils" wee all acknowledged ; an expression precisely equivalent to the " first six." The other matter of interest—the Natal question—will have a fair chance. The Archbishop of Canterbury, know ing the unwillingness of many of the English bishops to venture upon so entirely unprecedented a step as the call ing of such a council, and anxious to forestall as much as possible their objections to so strange &novelty, had intended to keep the subject of Dr. Colenso out entirely. That subject his already so long worried the church of England, and has to the eyes of many brought about such an inex tricable tangle between the church and the state, that not a few of the English bishops would have absented them selves entirely if that subject were known to be on the programme. The real cause of this sensitiveness is, not any doctrinal sympathy with Colenso, tl:ough the few who have that sympathy know well how to turn it to their own advantage, but it is the delicate question of the mutual relations of church and state, in regard to which all men's minds are now at work, and there is a very general anticipation that things cannot remain as they are very long. The colonial church, however, regarded this as the most important subject to be treated ; and a largo proportion of them, as well as of the American bishops, would certainly never have attended at all had they un derstood it was to be excluded. Not finding it in express terms on the programme they first succeeded at the pre liminary meeting in making the programme open to amendment, as well as to the introduction of new matter. Then, on three or four of the intervening days, a number of the colonial bishops met for consultation. But by con ferring with leading English bishops also, tbo difficulties of the question were made so apparent that the Bishop of Cape Town was persuaded to accept the appointment of a committee to consider anew the whole difficulty from the beginning. When the matter came up in this shape in the council, he made a noble and unflinching speech, up holding as fearlessly as ever the righteous necessity of the course that has been pursued in South Africa. The Bishop of Vermont then moved as a substitute a preamble and resolution which comes straight up to the mark on the whole Colenso question, urging its adoption as the true course. The Bishop of Salisbury supported hint with a whole-hearted singleness and boldness, worthy of all honour. Other bishops took the same ground, rind not one word was said by anyone against the correctness of ths position taken by the Bishop of Vermont. But the Bishop of St. David's rose and stated that the archbishop had pledged himself to him that the Colenso question should not be acted on in the conference ; and be appealed to " the honour" of the archbishop to say whether this were not so. The Archbishop said that it was so, and that to act directly on the question of 1)r. Colento would be the breach of an honourable understanding. It was intended to convey this understanding in those words of the invitation which said that the meeting would of count, not be competent to make declara tions of doctrine ; but this phrase was unfortunately too vague to convey the full strength of the " uudentand ing;" for the question in South Africa is not only one of doctrine, but of fact, and canon, and civil law. After what had been said by the archbishop, however, it was seen that to push the matter against the engagements of the distin guished prelate who issued the invitations, was not advi sable, and the matter dropped, the Bishop of Vermont making a closing speech on the sense of duty which had compelled him to make his motion. But the thing would not rest. On the Last day, the Bishop of St. Andrew's earnestly appealed to the Bishop of St. David's to waive his " understanding" with the archbishop, in order to in troduce a declaration on the fact of the present status of Dr. Colenso, drawn up by the Bishop of Oxford, to be in troduced and acted on. But the Bishop of St. David's per. siated in maintaining his ground. It WAS then produced as a paper signed "by the bishops assembled at Lambeth." the words " in Conference" being omitted ; and it was at once signed by all the American and Colonial Bishops, and, we believe, by all or nearly all the rest, the act being done in the same room and during the continuance of the session. Several of the more important matters have been re ferred to committees ; and a future meeting of the council, as contemplated in the concluding resolution of the pro gramme (which resolution wascordlally iulopted), is clearly in the minds and hearts of all. As to the debates, farther than the meagre details we have given, we can say little, except that the Bishops of Oxford. London, St. David's, Cape Town, and others, took prominent and influential part in the discussions; and the Bishop of New Zealand in particular made a speech towards the close, which, for outspoken boldness, earnestness, and the powerful etpres- Mon of deep convictions as to the crisis now drawing near the church of England, formed a striking and significant close of a meeting which is the opening of a new era in the history of the communion of the church of England. At the end the Gloria in carte:a was surg, the assistant Bishop of Indiana leading in the chant that is so familiar to us all in the church of America. The Sike le strongly recommends the working chimes to form co-operative baking societies, a consider able number of which have been established recently, with a view to provide whatever remedy may by this means be possible for the high price of bread. The Etcndard gives a list of more than thirty of them. The through communication by railway between Calcutta and Eombay, aceonling to a Kurrachee paper, was to be opened on the 10th inst. The journey will oc cupy five days. The latest measurements of the Mont Cenis tun nel are as follows : —Excavation for the September month. —Extent north. 69'18 metres ; extent south, 59 . 55 metres ; total, 128'73 metres. Total extent to October I:—North. wards, 2,%9'35 mattes ; southwards, 4,968110 metres ; total, 7,938'25 metres. Entire length of tunnel, 12,2'20.00 metres ; unfinished, 4,687'75 metres—which by the engi neer's account, will occupy some :➢0 months. Fell's Ame rican line over the pass, though nearly completed, will not be in full operation until thecorning year, each storm more or less damaging it to a certain extent. THE ARCHBISHOP OF DUBLIN ON THE IRISH CHURCH.—The Archbishop of Dublin pre ,cbod his visita tion sermon at St. Patrick's Cathedral on Tuesday, and in the course of it, speaking of the present position and pro aof the church of Ireland, he remarked, " The church as established in this country is menaced by a con centration of heterogeneous forces. We see in combination against us our inveterate enemy the church of Rome ; that clam of nonconformists who have pledged themselves to attempt the overthrow of the united church ; those specu lative politicians, of whatever party, who, refusing to sea that the true source of " the Iri s h dilllculty " is the im placable hatred of English dominion, imagine that they can purchase a short-lived truce by violating the solemn pledge given in the Ant of Union th a t th e Church of Ire land should be upheld by all the might of the empire. For myself, I em not se apprehensive as some persons seem to be as to the r es ult of the attack with which we are threatened. I am sanguine that the time is approaching when, our just and prescriptive rights being secured, the church may be enabled to undertake the duty of rectifying any inequalities and repairing any defects in her working system which time and circumstance may have given rise to. But, however this may be, it is manifestly the duty of the clergy, at the present juncture, t o f ace th e d anger , and to be prepared "for either fortune." THE 13L003ISBURY 311:1ZDEI: FURTIIi:It. EXAMINATION OF GI:OVES AT 1)0W. STREET.-(THIS DAY.) r! is being the day fixed fur the further exaali nation of Groves on the charge of shooting the band-man JI Daniell, he was again brought up to the court in the prkon van at an early hour. A considerable crowd haul assembled in the street, but there was no exhibition of feeling oxcept on the part of one frantic in dividual in a tattered coat and beard almost as ragged, who on hearing that the van wu coining, rushed off to inert it, turned round and followed it to the door of the court, where be arrived panting rind breathless, al lit•t.ring out, " I thried, boded, I thried, but I could not get near enetigh, bedad." For some time before the hour appointed (1 ede10u....) the approaches to the court were crowded with peraous :anions to be present at the examination ; so that the pau,ages were blocked to the obstruction of access even for the officials. A little before 1 that small portion of the would-be spectators to whom the miserably limited space of the thud could give uncomfortable standing-room were adiaitted, and were allowed a tow minutes to congratulate thcm selves upon the commodiousness, which, according to etr tain recent publications, distinguishes this police•court from others in the metropolis, and to wonder what the others mug be like. As on the former occasions the proaecut ion was con ducted by Mr. Poland, instructed by the Treasury solicitor, and the defence by Mr. Warner Sleigh, instructed by Messrs. Lewis and Lewis. Upon Groves being placed at the bar, at about a quarter past 1, Mr. Warner Sleigh asked that he might be allowed to sit down during the examination, which wo■ at outs sanctioned by the court. Groves appeared much altered, being thinner and paler than before, and having a care worn, anxious look which he had not exhibited hitherto. He was alsomuch more nervous and tremulous than on the former occasions. Mr. Poland said that since the last examination a very full inquiry had been made into the antecedents of the woman Jammu, who had also been examined at the in quest yesterday. Front the result of the inquiries and examination, not on account merely of character, but from knowledge of facts, those who instructed him felt that they could not call on the magistrate to commit the pri soner for trial on the charge of murder. Mr. Vaughan, concurring in the courre taken by the learned counsel, then discharged the prisoner from the charge of the wilful murder of Edward McDonnell, and the charge of assaulting John 'Weer was proceedt d a ith. The prisoner pleaded not guilty, and reserved '.ass de fence. Mr. Vaughan fixed the bail at two sureties of 1001. each, and the prisoner's own reccgnizances at 2001. ROYAL MAIL STEAM PACKET COMPANY. (THIS DAY.) The ordinary general meeting of the shareholders in this company was held at the London Tavern this day : Captain MANGLES in the chair. The report of the directors, which was taken as read, stated "the result of the working of the service far the half year ended the 30th June but, the accounts for which period are now submitted to the shareholders, has Len very considerably affected by the sickuess in the West Indies, to which the directors alluded in their Led report. The ahareholders were then informed of the alterations which had been made in the mole of carrying on the ser vice, with a view to keep the company's vessels free from the induence of the epidemic, and it was stated at the same time that the measures in question and the cootie g cncies of quarantine entailed extra expense. The uriel course of the service was, however, resumed some months ego, and has since been adhered to except on the J. 1111.1144 sad Colon route, in which, as a sanatory precaution, it became necessary to make an alteration. The credit aide of the ' working account,' when compared with that of the first half of the year 1864, shires • very Urge falling off in the receipts, the greater part of which occurs in passage-money. The unsettled ceadit.on of Mexico. the effect upon Emil of the continuance of the war with Paraguay, a diminution in the shipments of spftie, end the generally depressed state of trade are, no doubt, partly the causes of this falling off in the receipts ; but the decrease is chiefly owing to the absorption of traffic by other lines of steam communication, of which the French West India mail service—highly subsidised soil carried on under a contract for a long term of yearn—is the most serious in its effect upon this company'a earniugs. In order to meet the views of her Majesty'. overm:cnt with regard to public representations from the inanufac• Luring districts, the directors have agreed that tLe West India packets shall call at Plymouth on their lioix,e , vard mulatge to Southampton to land the mails, for which the company will receive a still sufficient to cover the exp , uses of the extra service. The directors recommend a dis tribution of :if, per share (free of income tax), including profit from the insurance account, payable by warrants to be issued on the evening of the 26th inst." The CHAIRMAN, in moving the adoption of the report, said, under ordinary circumstances the directors would have had great pain in meeting the shareholders with such :I report as they had to present, but as the t.afavourable nature of the report was owing to a providential visi tation he trusted that the sharenoldere would not consider that the directors had been unmindful of the interests of the shareholders. A great expense lied been incurred in order to prevent the spread of yellow fever on board the ships. It had been found necesrary to abandon St. Thomas's, and to fix upon St. Peter's, an island about 24 miles distant, as the place of Caill for tbeirships. This had caueedconsiderable expense and the detention of their ships in quarantine when they arrived in England had been another considerable enure of ex peuee. It had also been found necessary to put en another slip, which had of course also increased their expenditure. The rise in the price of provisions Junius* told ceuenlerahly against them. The report alluded to the decrease in the receipts owing to the absorption of traffic by the French West India mail service. Ile did not think that would continue long, (because the ships of this con Tally were better, and were better navigated, but the company had to meet in competition a company which was subsidised to two or three times, the annelid that this company was. The report referred to the line of steam commuuication established by the Panama, New Zealand, nut Austra lian Mail Company, forming, in connexiou with this company's line, the Panama route to New Zealand and Australia. That service had been per formed with great success, and this company kali received 20,0001. for freights for that service, which ea.: some com pensation for the unfair competition they hail to contend with from the French company. Admiral Wines seconded the motion. After a short discussion, iu the course of which the Chairman stated that the cu.iipany had lent looney to the Panama Company at 6 per cent. on security of their ships, and they took care that the -hips were insured, The report was agreed to, and a vote of thanla to the cli.tirut..n and directors concluded the proceedings. - - - - WRECK ON THE CORNISH co.tsr. - MULLION. TrE,ii.ti. I have much gratification (says the Rev. E. llarvey) in reporting the first and successful wrviee a the Daniel J. Draper lifeboat of the National Lifelmat Lrci tution. At 6 o'clock last night, during foul we:obl - , :ma in a thick fog, the alarm was given that a vrß =" l in distress off Pollurrain Cove, about a mile and 1.. a from this place. The lifeboat was thereupon promptly launched. and was fortunately the means of saving three of , the men from the stranded vessel. The tout guard men, who were the first to observe her, 100 l meanwhile been able to save the rentainieg men of tae crew by means of the rocket appir.ao. The ship was the Achilles, of Glasgow, Captain Do id Kinnear, hound front Miramichi to London with a can, of timber. Other vessels are also reported to be embayed, mi it is pm. siblc the services of the lifeboat may be again e.,lled into requisition. This boat was only placed ou its station last month. The whole coat of the lifeboat estab:ishinent was the gift to the institution of Wesleyan and otter friends in the United Kingdom through the UlOllOlll of the .11,11,0 , 44 Retarder, in memory of the late v. D. J. Draper, who unhappily perished in the steno...b.o l.m.don in the Bay of Meaty. Mr. Draper et the on La sv.iy to Australia, in which colony be bud foi my y,nrs been an active and zealous minister of the .t methodists. At a meeting of the senatue of the r:ity of Edinburgh, held on Friday, it was resolved t. .x.ufer the degree of LLD. on the Chancellor of the Exch. ter noon the occasion of his approachimi to s..ot ; nut. 1 t is also proposed by the Ltlinburgh University to wallet tho degree of LL.D. on Mr. Lowe. An otticial intimation appears in last t, , th tte that the Right Hon. William Richard, Earl Aim.. dry, has been chosen by a majority of votes to be the ;.. , er to sit in the House of Lords in the room of the Right lion. Robert, Earl of Mayo, deceased. Sr. JAMES'S PALAcE, tI, T. it—The Queen has been pleased to appoint John Hilton, Esq., F. to be surgeon extraordinary to her 31ajesty. The Que. n has also been pleased to appoint Prescott Gardner Hewett, Esq., to be surgeon extraordinary to her Majesty.—rAtictfr. The Hight Hon. James Stuart Wortley, 'abuse serious illness we reported yesterday, is gradusily recover ing. On Monday afternoon the right hon. gentleman was conveyed to .scrick Park, the seat of hi. brother-in law, Lord Wenlock,and we understand that he suffered no ill effects from the journey, but is going on favourably. WORKING MEN'S COLLEGE.—Mr. \V. H. Flower. FACE., F.E.C.E., conservator of the museum of tta Loyal College of Surgeons, will deliver the tint of a curse of lectures on " Human Anatomy and Physiology" this evening, at 8 pan. the roe ver not Sul inJI kic this rib: wit Lin Bo static Vas Mr subse allege