The Express. — London, England, 1849-07-21 00:00:00

bad hats stabbillsi y bar Majesty's government, had girt a asd mait positire assurances that she did not want 111 is the feast with the Italian princes, and bad no Intentions of aggeandietatent, at the same time that she was determined to maintain her own rights to her Italian terri tory. The whole of the etriespondente *bowed an un founded sad unreasonable jealousy of Austria, who was od =Med on all hands to be the most steeliest and oldest ally. Austria had denied all paruc t paten in these disturbers:a, which she was seemed of exciting, but her denial wrs dieregarded, and languare was &darnel d to her which was not onty an use but insulting. (Hear, hear.) But during all this time there was evidence that the King of Sardinia wm meditating an unprincipled and ambitions in vasion of the territories of Austria. Now, there was evi dence in these papers that her Majesty's government had not takes all the steps they might have taken, and were bound to take, to prevent the Invasion of the Austrian territories by Piedmont, either oo the first or second ceession when that unprincipled invasion was made. Her Majesty's govern ment should have told the King of Sardinia that if he in. vaded Austria's territories he would he acting in contraven tion of the faith of treaties, ant only inconsistently with his safety, but with the solemn engagements which he had con:racted t; treat y . (Llear , b• se It Wle nut rnuugu to tare io'ia an ambitiou, mat that he was twining into danger. He should have been told that le was violating a solemn compact to which this country was a party. (Rear, hear.) On the 16th February, 1818, Lord Napier, her Majesty's minister, made a sp.ech from his window in which he told his audience that the liberty of Hungary was no long. r a feeling or a vision, but a reality. Be was reading from a report in the newspapers, but there was no reason to disbelieve that it was whin as it was gives, for it was gni*e is accordance with the lug - sags bell by her Majesty's advisers. (Rear, bear.) He did not charge the government with proutotint remota tions in Italy, but with a desire to isthmus., there just so much liberalism as suited their purpose. Nothing could be more absurd than to attempt to transplant the institutions of one country into another. Those papers abounded with proofs of jest. toy against Austria, but the conduct of the government had been still more unfriendly to the King of the Two Sicilies, sad was marked by the most offensive demeanour. As a preetiest constitution, that of 1812 was never esta blished, and had beta succeeded by three or four con stitutions since; sad it was admitted Ly the node earl (M(nto) that it was not the very best piece of machinery . The noble earl, on the 7th of March, rated that he had con cluded most satisfactory Menu, which no doubt they were, as they had been all proposed by himself. Oa the 21st of Massa the noble earl stated he should offer no obstacle to the indepeadenee 'of Sicily being declared and which course he considered would be advisable, wh vas on the Ilth March he had in equally strong Baggage con. damned such a course, and stated th.t It would lose Sicily the favour of England. Saab was the impartiality of the mediator, and the friendliness of the government to S oily. When the noble earl arrived in fixity there was no question about the toitstitutiem of 1812—the question was the abso lute separation of Naples and Sicily; and the Sicilians were in ohm rebellion Whist tbeir sovereign. Yet the government was enuaasell in fomenting the rebellion, and even in providing different sovereigns for the Sicilians. He believed the Bull dog with one set of proposals crossed the Porcupine with 'moth e r set of proposals. Offers were made to the Doke of 0, nos, but be was too wise to acceptthern without anasourance of ton rinsed support. (Hear, hear.) It was impossible for him to go through the long remainder of this come, with regard to the pur-ait of the refugees, the complaints of atrocities. and other truissetions. Up to a late period the whole of the late/Arena was interference in favour of the revolted sedate of the King of Sicily, in imitation of the conduct pursue Iby Prance. It was • grim violation of the law of nations. The result of the armistice was that the beaten party bad time to remover and to re-arm, sad to raise themselves from a position of die trem to a position in which they wi re able to renew the struggle. The assumption that the King of Naples would set netsipter Sicily, peeved to bay. been uo.ounded; sad all the aloes of the government bad re• welted in the eatiaction of all hopes of liberal institutions except se a mater of grace at the hands of the sovercien The krelines of the King of Naples could only be conciliated by the repudiation of all sympathy in these promediairs es the part of their lordships. Lord BROM:IMA%! briefly replied. For the moMea—Present Proxies Against it— Present Proxies Majority 12 Th,ir lordships irarasdiately adjourned it hall pest 4 Welsch. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY, JULY 20. The Braxiss took tka chair at 12 o'clock. MILITIA PAY BILL. This bill wee re;tl --- eiiinitia; ADVANCE OP MONEY (ATIII.ONE TO GALWAY RAILWAY) BILL. This bill was red a third tide sad passed. JUDGMENTS (IRELAND) BILL. The asamisseste to this bill were aimed to, sal the bill artleral to be reed a third time to-esonow (this day), et 12 Voicck. STAMP AND ALLOWANCES BILL. The bill. as aradadoraa emaciated, sad ordered to be read a third time to.tooreow ( - his day). PILOTAGE BILL. Oa the motion fortis;;;;;;;lreeTting of this Fill, Sir O. CLERK said that he thought it extretney objee *Rahn to bring in a bill on so important a question as this at so thee • period of the session. He saw no reason why this mcoure should not have been brought in three months ago, wcich would have afforded ample time for all parties sr hoes in to rests were affected to take the matter into considera tion. He hoped that as it was not convenient to proceed with other bills affecting the commercial marine, it would be considered that it was hotter to withdraw this bill for the present. Mr. M. GIBSON mud that every one must en that the pilotage system, which was reallished when navigation was differenly anise' on, when surveys of the tout were imperfect, and when steam power had not been invented, and when, consequently, .teem tugs were not in use, required alteration, and that the time was coma when there must be made considerable alterations in the pilotage laws of this couctry. (lien, hear.) With regard to the compulsory syssem of pilota*e, it seemed to him Waage that you should twee fen us on ship masters to take charge of their ves sels, and if those persona should lose the property there war no Claim for compensation. (Hear, hear.) Suppose that on a ship entering the dented • pilot was sent on board to take charge who was wholly unfit for the duty, woo had lately very frequently occurred, and that the merchant was ruined, was it right that he should than be told that Rail lathes from the anxious drive of the legislatare to take care of people's property ? (Hear, hear.) There had recently been several complaints of old and superannuated pilots being sent on board vowel', and all that this bill did was to permit the authorities to dispense with send ing a pilot in ease, where ship masters showed themselves ermpetent to the duty. In his opinion the right hon. the President of the Board of Trade did not go far enough, many would go mach further, and attack the exclusive privileges of the Cinque Ports. He would, therefore, as • matter of policy, recommend the members for Dover not to oppose this bill, as they =last only brirg upon their con stituents a more searching and comprehensive measure. Mr. RICE wished to say a few words in defence of the Cinque Ports and their interests. From returns he held in his hand it appeared that from 1839 to 1849 the Cinque Ports pit els had piloted 3,800 vessels in safety up the channel, and during that time there bad been only 14 complaints. He signed with his edit hon. col league opposite in many of his observations, but he could not with honour go the length of altogether opposing a bill which was demanded by the public interests, lest it should by chance laterite with the privileges of the Cinque Ports. At the same time le must say, that if government persisted with the bill in its present form, he should feel bound at a future stage to oppose Its progress. In the first place, he thought that ho perenietive eiteeeeter of the bill should be made more clear in the wording of the clauses. He objected also to the licensing clause, inasmuch as it went ti license masters to a particular clamor vessels. The effect of that would be that such masters would become a clan of pilots themselves. He thought it should be mode clear the they were only to pilot their own vessels. Another part of the bill to which he found fault I/I/that which prevented masters of vessels availing them. selves of assistance from the shore. Capt. PECRELL supported the bill as • step is the right direction. Mr. RICARDO wished to put the question fairly beton the house. There was a monstrous monopoly existing, and here was an attempt to relax it to some extent in favour of the shipowners, but the vested interests of the pilots appeared to stand in the way. The government steps for ward to enable the Trinity House to relax their regulations, and the members for Dover opposed the attempt, lee the Cinque Ports should be obliged to follow the example. He thought that the hon. gentlemen would have acted more wisely by their constituents, if they bad not raised the question of the Cinque Ports st all. (Hear, hear.) Mr. ANDERSON wished, as a steam-ship owner, tomake • few observations. The present system of pilotage fell mat heavily on the owners of sties-vessels in consequence of the greater numbs: of voyages. He knew one company, the Dublin and Liverpool, which paid 6,0001. a year pilotage, Melones never availing themselves of the services of a pilot. (Hsu, hear.) Another company had struck out a plan by which they qualified one of their own often to act. He should steepen the present bill. Mr. MOFFAT supported the bill, but trusted that neither this nor the Lighthouse Bill was to be looked upon as Heal highlmits. Mr. LABOUCHERE said he had already declined to briar/ forward a general and comprehensive measure, owing to his deeper of bringing such a measure toe ratisfeetory eon elusion during the present session. But, seeing an imme diate practical opportunity of relieving the shipping interest on the subject of pilotage, be had availed himself of it, al though he maid nee, at the same tines,oelve all the difficulties surrounding a system so ancient and complicated as our pilotage !ystem. This meanies was merely permissive to the authorities to relax their monopoly, b y a ll ow i ng mom eateries their jurisdiction, to pilot vessels, provided they had previously proved their competency to do so. He should add that he did not expect that,thie permission would be neglected. GOULBURN emeetted la the propriety of nialgiag thla a per•iwlte rather than a compulsory ClClElife. The bow should riemileet that at the pregame moment ore Were bound by the meiprotity treaties that as additi , nel dam i a m bi b, placed on the foreign Wpm beyond that impaled 012 the British able. at eras mast desirable to hear tram the right how. Feath man the President of the Board of Trade, erkethirtlas measure would impose a charge upon the trea sury of the nation under the terms of the reciprocity treaties ? Mr. LABOUCHERE did not believe that the difficulty suggested by the right hon. gentleman would arise. It a fo reign ship comity from ports to the vicinity of enr sterrshad a master or in.te onboard competent to pilot her it.t4 an Etiolish harbour, she would have as good a right to employ that in,ts ter or sate r any British ship would h►ve. Mr. GOULBURN was afraid he bad been migunderstood. It was probable eiiough that if the foreigner imployrd an English neater et mate, no claim would lie aitainst the treasury, bat if the foreign., was out to a charge for pilotage, from grown the Enelisb 'met wag treed, he th..ught the de mand would in all probability be made. Attie soma further discussion, the bill was read a second time. Mr. LABOUCIIERE proposed that the hill shoul4 pass through the committee pro forma, and then that the altera tions in it should be printed and laid regularly before the house. The house accordingly went into committee, and the bill 11118 round pro The house resumed, and the chairman reporteti progress. To be recommitted on Monday at 12 o'clock. POOR LAW UNION CHARGES ACT AMENDMENT BILL. hood without interfering with the employment of children of 'roe labourers. Sr G. Gage's answer did not reach the gallery. RETIRED NAVAL OFFICERS. Mr. RIME moved for a '• Return of ell retired rear admirals, captains, and commanders, Frowned and placed on the retired hat, nu and since the 14 day of October, OM, showing the date el entry of rich Mica into th - navy, the date when p.issed, the dates of th. it several cornmissisns suc cessively attatied, the period which each officer has served in each cmnissffin, and alsi the time en halt pay in each commission, the aggregate time of full and hall.pay of each officer, and the tntrd amount of retired pay ; also the rate or annual amount of ritirrd pay ; together with a copy of the order in council, autnurising the retirement." Agreed to. JUVENILE OFFENDERS BILL. An Row. MEMIIEIa 'eked what mums government in- Model to take with the Juvenile Offenders Bill f Sir G. GREY said that in consequence of some unforeeeen diflicultiis it would be necessary to postpone the bill until next year. The house then went into cmrnittee on this b On clause 16 being read, Mr. BAINES proposed that thiselsase be e•raek oat. He had atteuded to the suggeetion made by the hye member for Sontareetshire (Mr. W. Mlles) when this bill wss last before etvernittee, ut.l he should props* a ewe hereof:or in acervdance with that sugp stion, relative to the ensign- - tion of poor persons. Captain PECHELL wished it to be ascertained whether it was the opinion of the hews that a certain description of persons whose relatives could pay 'or their maintenance, ought to be kept in the poorhouses of this country ? Mr. BAINES said such cases would be inquired into. The 'hum was then struck out. On clause 18, Sir H. WILLOUGHBY asked fora modification of that part of it which required persons entering the vr.ukhoures to give up any money or property which they might be possessed of, so as to exempt persons braugtit in from accident or sickness. Mr. BAINES mentioned caeca where so mu..ls as 201. and Wt. had been found upon pauper inmates, and it wee in such cases only he wished to make such funds scalable for the eupport of the pauper. (Hear, hear) He did nut mean to interf.re with any property lett by will, but only with that found in the pos,ession of the pauper. After a general conversation, Mr. Baines tawlilled the clause so as to except wearing apparel and burin. as imple ment!, and charged the wording en as to apply only to " any money, or valuable security for money," fount in possession of the pauper while an inmate in the workhouse, adding that eases of sudden ace.dsnt might he excepted by the guardians as the clause di I not make it compulsory, only gave them the power so to act. The clause as amended wae then agreed V., as were the remaining clauses of the bill. B&ILWAY AUDIT BILL. Mr. B. DENISON, who spoke in a low tone of Trier : u uederstood to inqu'.7Z wiinic governtneni meant to take with the Railway Audit Bill?. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that a deputation of gentle men conneced with the railway companies had waited on the first minister of the crown, and announced their inten tion of giving the bi I their most strenuous opposition, both in principle and detail. This being the case, the government had come to the conclusion, very relactant'y, that at this period of the session it would be useless to persist with the messeue. (Lieu, hear.) THE DANISH WAR. Mr. SANDARS wished to know whether the armistice betweeu Prussia and Denmark had been ratified. Also when the bleekeie woul'i be raised. - - Lord PALMERSTON said he had received information that day thst • pry luminary treaty, Inc tiding the armistice and the raising of the bl.,cltade had been ratified at Berlin on the 17 h. The armistice was for six months, and he trusted that before that time a definitive treaty of peace would have been concluded. &wee.' How. MZXBULII cried ont, "Tlte blockade, the blockade." Lori PALMERSTON said he believed that the blockade would be mused u soon as the mitituy forces had taken the lines they were to occupy pending the armistice. He could not say how many days that would take, bat the period would be short. __ Mr. BAINES moved the addition of a cilium enacting, that in cue of an equality of van upon any queatiun at a si,:etiog of the guardians of city union, the presiding chair- ■ alma siiiiiog shall hair a 0000 id or cluing vote. Captain PECEIIILL objected to the injustice of a double Tote. BAINES defended it on the ground of necessity. When there was an equality of votes end no casting vote, the whole proceedings became abortive and great inconve nience toll med. The clause was then agreed to and added to the hill. Mr. BAINES then moved the following clause in lieu of clues 16, which was struck out the day previously— And he It enacted, that the guardians of say pare& or union may mewl, with the order and euh,ect to the titles and regulation. of the pone e. l . aw board, but not otherwise, any sum of money tot exceeding poem& ke each person, In and about the emigration of mss persons having settlements in such parish, or in any parish in meth lesion mem lively, without them amity of the ratepayers and owners of propetty therein meeting, and giving tivar commit (as squired by the soil act of the Sob year of King William the Fourth; to such expenditure, and such imsnlians shall charge the same to tee parish of the eel nentent in every eue where such soar person suited there in, or wm removable thereto, at the time of the emigration : Provided I that the guardian, cc (if more than one; a majority of the guardian. of such Loit-inenthened parish, shall concur in the resMution of the board of Fur liana for rich expenditure, and tint each concurrence shall be 'dignified by the clerk of the union, in coomunicatiug that re. solution to the poor law bused : Provided also, that the aggregate amount ot the mimics upended in the course of any sac year in and shoat the emigration of such pear (mesons, shall not exceed onethalf the average yearly pour.rals raised in the said pariah for the three preceding years. Sir J. ORAIIA3I asked the hon. and learned gentleman why he hied upon so large an amount as 151. a head tor emigration, availing himself of the opportunity of t spressinr his greatest satisfaction at ire able manner in wni:h the hen. and learned gentleman conducted the business art his very difficult and critical of Mr. BAINES slid that the sum was no doubt too Lade fee emigration to the Canada;, but the poor law commis skitters sometimes promoted it to Australia. He, however, was not wedded to the aunt, and was quite ready to move any other sum the committee should think St. After a conversation, in which some hon. gentlemen thought IW. sufficient, while whets proposed a wider limit, it was eventually arranged to substitute 101. for 151., and the clause was so amended. It was also amended so as to make the majority of the guardians express their concurrence in the resolutions of the board of guardians " in writing ;" and that such cuneurrence shall be transmitted by the clerk of the union to the poor law board. The clause was then ordered to stand part of the bill. Mr. WOOD moved the following clause:— And be It enthtni, that it shall he lawful for the guardians of any union, or to the select vestry, mothballs, directors, man tarp., or mermen of the lose of any parish not in union in England or Vial.% and they are hereby authorised to pay out of the maiden in their hand. fur the relief of the pour in such union or parish respec tively, the cent of or intending the ethicati n of the children of parents receiving relief out of the workhatoe, or of children partly or wholly maintained by means of a poor rate out of the workhouse, within such union or with. and also to make contracts tor am petted not exceeding one year, with any schoolmaster, for the miumniur of such chit-hen, and to pay the amount to contrected to lie paid out of the said monies, subject, however, in respect of all such payms-th. as aforethel, to the ruts and regulations which may front time to time be mode by the poor law board in respect of the schools at which such children shall be placed, and the maximum amount to be allowed for such payment, in respect of each child, whether by con tract or ...otherwise • and all payments so 111441 e shall be elLuired to the common fund of die union, or to the parish where the same ii oat in union. Mr. BAINES said that though he fully appreciated the motives of benevolence which induced the bon. member to move this clause, yet he could not help thinking that there were several objections to it in point of principle. If they adopted the clause the guardians would have the option of neglecting to use their pewee which it would be considered their duty to exercise. If they allowed them the power it would be looked upon as their duty to use it. Another fatal objection to the clause was that if it were adopted it would give to the hoards of guardians the power of taking to them. selves the education of all the out door paupers throughout the country. He thought it his duty to resist the introduc tion of this clause. The home then divided—For the clams Against it The clause was accordingly rejected. Mr. W. PATTEN, in the absence of Mr. HITWOOD, moved the following clause: And whereas by an Act posed in the twenty-second year of his Lite Majesty George the Mirth intitukd, " An Act for the better relief and employment of the Poor," certain Unions were formed, commonly called Gilbert's talons, of which several still remain In different parts of England, be It therefore enacted, that the provi. stone of this act be extended to the unions so created under the before mentioned act. Mr. BAINES did not object to it. Capt. PECHELL said that he should oppose the clans*, as it involved a question t^o important to be now discussed, and as he was of opinion that the proposal= contained in it could notlbe carried into operation. At the suggestion of Mr. B. DENISON and Mr. SPOONER the Claus, was withdrawn. Captain PECHELL then moved the following amend ment to follow clause 4. Whines at the time of the passing of the List mentioned act of psnlngosst. divers poor pastes residing in parishes where they had Yj se hot settlement, and hem which they were not irremovable wake this pawkier of the old act, were receiving relief from the podia he libish they weft legally ettkid, or from the unions in walla auk p as are alheatad ; and whereas such relief was is mug =me withdrawn under en mew= ecentrueqou put on the aW seti, geseeby the said him ameattessed whir, or the unions in whigh May are situated, bed as =sift. sea poor persons and Ma befarred great and homy eapme thershy. end oath expense is net mew meseerable le kw kr the removal of seek perseparsons to the pine of = is er P tieseat. be it therefore eaasr~lbet it shall be heft the pew law board to order the ethelpsent he the first mentioned perishes, eir to the anion. in which key me *sated, or to the overseers of the poor or guardians Swermtimpectieely by the pseigner by which such relief as aforesaid inn bin withdrawn, or the unions in which sock last mentioned =we situated, or by the overseers of the poor or guardians respectively, of all such end of relief as may be ved to the uthithetion of the said board to have been by sorb hint moillined parishes, or the unions in which they are situated, by Neon of such relief having been withdrawn, as aforesaid. The motion was put and negatived without a division. The bill then passed through committee, and the house ad journed at ten minutes past four till six o'clock. The Brralan resumed the chair at six o'clock. INFANT POOR. Mr. MILES, seeing the Secretary for the Home Depart ment in his place, wished to put a question to him. It would be in the recollection of the holm that the kite la mented president of the poor-law board, late hat session, laid on the table a r• urn of the number of pauper children in 16 workhouaes. There was Dome deficivnt information as to the amount of children capable of s,rviee, but he had obtained a return as to the number of children in the workhouses of Somerea•shire. He wished to know whether the Colonial-office had taken any means of ascertaining whether the coloniel, particularly Australia, would take Dome of these children as apprentices? The umber of children at present in the workhouses of England and Wales was 56,323, of whom no lees than 8,271 were capable of entering service, and of those children who mon deservedly walled for the attention of the government, vb., the orphans, those whs had only mothers, were —1,578 males capable of enteriog service ; females, 1,171, making • Wall 0[2,749 ; of childrenof widowers in the workhouses there were 577, including both Blames; of children of widowers not la the workhouse 157, making a total of 3,6B3:children now capable of entering service. The question, therefore, which he wished to put to the Secretary of State for the Home De partment was, whether it was the intention of government, having regard to the number of children in the workhouses in England and Wales declared to be capable of entering service, in co-operation with the different colonial establish ments, to recommend a systematic emigration of such chil dren, whereby the poor rates might be relieved, the poor benefited, and the children ;night Obtain en boner. livtli- THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 21, 1849. last 18 menthe of the effect of a moderate duty on the price l ot corn. We tad, in the course of that period, passed from • state of perfect free importation to a state of duty of seven shilling, in the month of March, ,1848, and we hod continued unuer the payment of duty from March until the Ist of February, 1849, when we had suddenly aimed to have duty payable, and we had corn importel free of ell duty. Now, he b-geed of the house to mak the progress of events during these periods. All who had engaged in the discussions upon the Corn Bill seemed to think it quite possible that a moderate duty would enhance the price to the oonaniner. The noble lord (J. Ruoull), then a protectionist, proposed a duty of 103., with the inten tion that it should keep up the price of corn to between 50s. and Ms. per quarter, and though the noble lord wee probably univinced of his error in that respect by this time, yet there was no doubt that he made the proposition for the purpose of doing justice to the landed interest. Now, in January and February, 1848, there was no duty on corn. The im portations at that time were of fair average amount, not varying very materially in their charge - tir then, and in the corresponding menthe of 1549. For example—the imports tations of wheat in 1848 were—January, 82,000 quarters ; February, 97,009; March , 81,000 ; April, 116,000; May, 121 : 000 7 : and June, 112,000, The vice in 4:l*.i.iy, when there wee no duly, was ;Li February, Ns ;in March, when a duty of 7 1 . was put on, 515.; in April; when the duty also existed, 495. ed. ; in May, 475. 13d. ; in June, 465. Ild. ; in July, 475. 11d. ; in August, 52,. 3d. , in September, 1525. 9d. ; in October, 51e. ; in November, 511 . 6d .; and in December, 47e. ed. In January the price dropped to 455., there being • duty then prevailing, accord ing to law, of 10s. In February, when the duty fell to le., the price was 455. 3d. ; in March it was 445. Ild. ; and in April the same; and there had been from the beginning of the peseent year until now a scarcely varying price of about 455. butted, therefore, of corn being diminished in price, as we should have been led to conclude from the theories of the noble lord (J. Russell) anelothen, ' who discussed the subject, by the lowering of the duty, the price had continued almost unveiled, although there had been a tolerably equal importation of corn this year and last. Hs contended then, that it followed as a matter of perfect conviction that the duty of 71., then the duty of 104., and then the duty of Is., bad not affected the interest of the con sumer even to the smallest extent so far as the price of the article was concerned. (Hear, hear.) He would not undertake to say at what price corn could be grown and brought to this country. That price varied in different countries ; but, suppose it could be brought for 30s. or 320., a large margin wouldstill be le ft for the imposition of the mode , rate fixed duty. It was la singular fact, that when tidal of 7s. was Imposed in March, 1848, there did occur a correspond ing diminution in the price of the foreign producer. The price fell at Dentzie and other places, in a ratio correspond tog with tee increase of duty in England. (Hear.) This was a singular effect of the duty, that it had compelled the foreign producer to fix his price in some degree at the price in England. Now, if the price rose considerably in this country, the higher it went the more easy would it be ftr the importer to pay the fixed duty. lf, on the con trary, it deicenled considerably, the more difficult would it be to import ; but should that circumstance deter the house from the adoption of a system which would raise revenue at the expense of foreign countries? If, for in stance, the price now were to descend Rs. or 10s., and a fixed duty were imposed, importation would be repressed from some countries, such probably as France and Bel gium, but it could be carried en with others, where corn could be produced at a cheaper rate. It it were true, as he maintained it was, that they might' derive from the importation of corn an accession of public income perfectly free from inconvenience to the consumer, and not weighing the weight of a single feather on any leingfi•M subject, and taken from the profits of those who sent it to this country, or from the profits of the importer, then he submitted that it was their duty to adopt his motion. If ,they could add millions to their revenue by these mean., they ought not to hesitate upon the subject, for the foreigner and the importer could pay the duty, and still derive very handsome profits. In January, 1849, when the duty was ids., there was im ported 710,000 quarters of wheat, 713,000 cwt. of flour. In the four tollowing months the imports of wheat were no leis than 738,000 quarters, and flour 1,238 cwte. So that if air It. Peel's duty which existed in January existed in these four month, and that corn maintained the price of 455., we would have derived a of 7.10,0001, whereas the acme' receipts were only about 210,0001., showing a loss of about 540,0001. on the four months, or at the rate of 1,500,0001. a year.: They had seen that &duty of 10s. did not increase the price while it would put that sum of money in'o the English exchequer. Even supposing a ss. duty, which was much below the handsome otter of the noble lord, there would have been considerably more than was re ceived in those four months. He, therefore, maintained that they could derive a considerable revenue from the fl portafion of foreign corn without in the slightest degree injuring any British interest. (Hear, heir.) It might be paid that his object was to introduce the small end of the wedge ; but he begged to assure the house that his propositi ,a was honestfy, shim-rely, and truly what he professed it to be, and nothing more. lie was not in a position to make a distinct cat tion on the subject. It was not in the power of a member of that house to propose a tax of that description, although he might have suggested it in an indirect manner by sub mitting a resolution, declaring it to be the opinion of the house that it would be wise and politic to adopt that mode of increasing the revenue. That might be made the subject of a vote ; but he declined to propose it because l be firmly believed that it his opinions were true they would ' lank into the minds of men and create a conviction out of which would undoubtedly arise the memos he desired to see adopted. The question was certainly of great' import- I since in an economical and fiscal point of view. If it were ' tree that they could derive a large additional revenue with so little inconvenience they were bound to obtain it, and I when that house and the country became convinced that ' such w..s the truth then the patience of the house in having f now listened to him would not hays been wasted. (Hear, hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER gave the right hon. gentleman credit for having carefully avoided all topics that could give rise to party uiscuseion, and he hoped his example would he followed in that respect. The right hon gentleman tell into some errors respecting his (the Chancellor's) estimates. The customs revenue up to April last year, excluding corn, exceeded those of the preceding year, and he trusted that when the blockades of the northern ports were withdrawn our customs revenue would be made sensible of it. Respecting the excise, he had only to repeat his former statement, that the deficier.cy of excise duty crime n•ot from a Alli•g off but from the postponement of 190,0001. malt duty. Besides, there was really nothing so fallacious as forming a judgment from one year. He was, however, sure that the income of the present year would not fall below the estimate he made • month ago. He, therefore, saw no reason on that ground fur imposing a fixed duty on corn. Hiving spoken so recently and so long on this subject, he felt almost ashamed to detain the house, but he would be very brief in his remaining observations. He would not refer to the hot 4 gentleman's fi;ures, as his argument upon tl4 .m was entirely speculative. His whole argument was founded on the effect of the duty upon the price of corn, drawn from the spring of last year. Nothing was more fallacious than such a mode of rsesonino. uely he could not suppose that any sound ;occlusive in ference could be drawn as to general prices, from the effect of a duty during a few months or even • year's experience, without referring to • va riety of circumstance. It was nutori,to, that in 1847, when the harvest was remarkably good, that there was a very large importation of corn by which many speculators were ruined; and, as a considerable psrtion of that remained on hand, the price of corn was greatly affected by it. He quite differed with the right hon. gentleman who went so far as to say, that if they added a duty to the cost of pro duction the price in this country would not be raised. He was convinced that by putting on • fixed duty they would rai►e the price of corn in this country. The right hon. gentleman had very fairly brought dila matter forward, and left it to the consideration of the house and the country. He was perfectly ready to abide by the consequences, and was confident that the right hon. gentleman would not suc ceed in converting the people of England to his views. Mr. G. SANDARS supported the proposition of Mr. Herrin, being convinced from practical experience that a moderate fixed duty on corn in usual years would not en hance the price to the consumer in this country, where price was governed by supply and demand. Mr. MITCHELL said, the doctrine that a fixed duty on foreign corn would not be paid by the consumer was a mon strous one. If a foreign country had a surge' of torn, and if this country was the only buyer, in such a ease, to a cer tain extent, the duty would fall upon the foreigner; but the effect of a fixed duty would be to put large sums into the pockets of the growers of English corn. Mr. NEWDEGATE impugned the policy which de pressed British agriculture and gave away millions to fo reigners. • • - • - Mr. COBDEN said that the hon. gentleman who had just sat down paid him the compliment of calling him a skilful agitator. It was true, indeed, that to agitate at all success fully one must be in earnest—(hear) —and, if with a good canoe, one must succeed; but even with a bad one, he would be respected for his perseverance. (Hear, hear.) Now, the fault he found with hon. gentlemen opposite was, that they showed no earnestness in the course which they pursued. (Hear, hear.) It was quite impossible to know if they were dealing with realities, they were to often called upon to deal with shams. (Hear, heir.) What was the course pursued by hon. gentlemen opposite during the present session A few days before the assem bling of parliament the Duke of Richmond had a meeting of farmers in which he shaioored out to them the great efforts that were to be made to restore the principle of protection and to prevent free trade from coming into operation. Well, the hon. member for Buckinghamshire came down to the house, and, as the leader of the protection party and of the farmers out of doors, who thought he was about to fight their battles, he moved an amendment to the address, but it did not contain one word about protection, and the amendment was never put is a division. (Hear.) On another occasion after that the poor lumens were brought up in great numbers to Willis's rooms. There was a great display of party eloquence which ended with three cheers for the hon. member for Buckinghamshire, the leader of protection. Well, the hon. gentleman brought forward his motion about local taxation, but in the very beginning of his speech he said he did not mean I. discuss the princi ples of protection. Oa the next occasion there was a large cavalcade to Drury-lane Theatre, and another gnat more was to be made in the honest. The farmers' hopes were raised, the principle of free-trade was to be reversed and protection was to be re-established. The hon. gentle man again earns down to the house with another motion, but not one word in it about protection. He talked of every thing else, the foreign:and domestic policy of the government, hut there env:lately we' not one word about renewing the cum laws. (Heir, hear.) 34t the smsfon zrzst not end the Home of Commons, Still • clerical assembly. though addressed in such language u " shams " and ..dodges." (Cheers.) He would now consider the question more immediately before the house. Throughout the dis cussion he had observed that the line takes by hoe, gentle men opposite was that of an attempt mule in a clumsy and rude manner, to conduct the oubjvct into what woe termed a cona•law debate. (Hear, hear ) How was thi. question introduced? Hie right hon. friend esamtn.d the quarter's revenue on the 'To of the pror lotion of plrliewent, and aftara severe nosiest, his i mpre eeton was that the revenue without doing something to keep up the delution—(hear)— aud so the right hon. gentleman brought on the present motion, and what for ? The general impression out of doers was that the right hon. gentleman was asking for a fixed duty on cone. But the right hon. gentleman made no motion. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gentleman made loss. !IMMO about its not being in his power to make this motion, but he wu too old and experienced a member not to know that it was quite practicable for him, if he liked, now, before the close of the debate, to propose that at a future time it was expedient that the hones resolve itself into • committee of the whole house, for the purpose of imposing • fixed duty of Bs. a quarter on corn. (Hear.) What he contended for was, that the people of this country ought to have their corn as cheaply as any other people in the world. He did not mind what the natural price of corn was, all he desired was that the people of this country should buy it at the same price as any otherpeople. (Hear, hear.) No person in the multi tude of speeches which he made on this subject ever heard hint make use of the argument that they were going to bene fit by an excessively low price of corn. That was the argu ment of the protectionists. What he wanted was to have corn at its natural price, and the hon. member for Wakefield, in admitting that they could not have itwith a fixed duty,kad atimitted the whole cue. (Hear, hear.) But more than that, the hen. gentleman admitted the justice of his (Mr. Cobden's) argument in another way, for he said that if Hol land did not put on a duty of 51., and we did, Holland would get its corn 55, &raper from Dant zie than we should, but then he said that Eugland would have the advantage of the duty if Holland put on re fixed duty of ss. It was ad mitted that Holland, if free, would get corn cheaper than this country, and that in his opinion was a better way of putting the question than it could possibly be put by any contactors, who, of course, had a greater commission if they sold wheat at 655. than if they sold at 55.. It teemed to him to be an extraordinary thing for any lon. member to propose • tax of any kind to the Chancellor of the Exche quer, for their business war to prevent him from imposing taxes. (Hear and laughter.) He therefore took the bon. gentleman to task on that ground. But the hon. gentleman was a bud witness for the sight hon. gentlemen in another respect, for when the right hon. gentleman sad that the duty might take effect at 355., the hon. gentleman raised it a little, and said that it might take effee: when the price was 40s. What is a farthicg in the price of the loaf ? said the hon. gentleman. What is 4d. a week to the labouring man ? it is only 17'. • year. (Hear.) But if the hon. gentleman spread that farthing in the guar tern loaf over 6,000,000 ot families, how much would it amount to ? (Hear.) The hon gentleman never calculated on getting more than about 1,000,0001. from his 5.. filed duty; but fourpence • week from the 6,600,000 families of this country would produce 5,000,000!. (Hear, hear.) But how could they pay that whim the right hon. gentleman only proposed to levy 1,000,000'. on foreign corn ? It would be done by raising the price of the corn which was grown in this country. (Hear, hear.) All the corn consumed in this country was consumed at the same price. And the same duty therefore would in reality be paid for all, whether home or foreign, because no corn could be admitted except at the price of the corn of domestic growth. (Cheers.) If they meant to pro- pose a tax on corn let them do it honestly, and let it be done at the mill—(cheers)—because then with a duty of only 1.. they would rail a revenue of 1,000,000?. And if they chose to impetus a duty of 5.. they would raise a revenue of 5,000,0001. (Hear, hear. But the right hon. gentleman said that he would not lay a feather's weight of taxation on the com munity by th is proposition, and that the consumers would not have to pay any d for their bread. Well, it that be so, what became of their profissions to the farmers, that they intended to raise the price of their produce? (Cheers) They bad no petitions for a fixed duty as a matter of revenue. He had seen a petition from the West Riding, presented by the hon. member for Bucking ' hainehire, praying for modetate protection to all interests, and for a moderate fixed duty on corn. They said that they would imp se the fixed duty for the sake of the revenue, but then they told the farmers that it was with a view of giving them protection. (Hear, hear.) This was the new dodge. (Laughter, and " Hear, bear.") No ~sauna petitioned that house for the sake of the revenue. No person petitioned for any tax. (Hear.) The thing was ridiculous. (Hear, hear) But the farmers had no ob jection to protection, and this was the way in which they, as a party, could bring forward the question at all ; and, therefore, he t :pressed to his triends right and left, when he heard the right hon. gentleman so blandly declare that he did not intend to pro mise one farthing extra on the price of wheat in this country, and that on this occasion he did not wish to refer to " that other question "—(much laughter)—his utter astonishment how the protectionists had power of fan to behave so. (" Hear" and laughter.) One might suppose them to be acton on a stage, who whispered aside tl each other, and assumed that they were not heard by the whole audience, because their language within the home was so different and so much at variance with their language out of doors, that unless they had view notion that they were invisible and unheard, they could not possibly talk in the way they Old. (Much laughter and cheering.) He did not under stand how any of them c inld talk to the Writers daring the next autumn. What a question on which to get up an atti tion ! If the right hon. gentleman came to him, he would give him a lesson in agitation.; (" Hear," from the protectionkte.) He absolutely pitied them for their want of tactics. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member for Buskinghscashire was the head of a great party. A great party wanted come principles. (Hear, hear.) They would not hove protection—they bad not courage to tight that battle. The only principle they had was a bread tax. iLsughter.) Only think of a great party going to the country and appeal ing fur support, on the ground that there ought to be a tax of 4d. a week on the bread et the labour ing man. (Laughter and loud chum) The bon. member for Warwickshire seemed to think that there would be a universal uprising of the people. Ile said, in rather solemn ton a, (laughter), that the people would soon recover their judgment in this matter, and that the day was not distant when they would see the advantage of paying Id. per week more for their bread. (Laughter and cheers. ) It was a) wonder that the idea of a universal uprising for such a bread tax should he glowing in his breast. (Laughter.) Now if they took a little piece of advice from him, he would recommend them, instead of trying to get into power by contending for this miserable tax on the prime necessary of life, to set about reducing the expenditure and taxation of the country. (Hear, hear.) No party could get into power without doing something popular, and they would not get into power without doing something popular. They had two sides, one side fur this house and another for the farmers out of ,doors- -one for the rent audit and another for the hustir gs. (Hear, hear.) Were any of the farmers ruined by free trade ? There was a prospect of a good crop this year, and of high prices, and therefore he did not sec any cause to grumble. Mr. DISRAELI said the hon. member for the West Riding had bees so kind as to offer to give them (the pro- tectionist members) a lumen in the art of agitation ; and he (Mr. Disraeli) was willing to admit that if they wished to attain any knowledge of that pursuit they could scarcely have recourse to a more consummate master. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member excepted to their conduct by Saying that they had one language in that house, and another in other quart , re. But it he remem. bered aright a' celebrated oration which was made by that same gentleman in another place, he had the ingenuous and amiable frankness to say that that was one of his universally acknowledged characteristics. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) He said it was a general accusation against him that he made use of one tone of sentiment and one kind of expres sion in the House of Commons, and employed different language when addressing his countrymen in other places, and that he believed there was some juxice in the charge. The great master of agitation, therefore, if his present r ]le gation were true, should, instead of sneering at their tactics, accept them as proofs that they had become worthy of having such a master to lead them. (Laughter.) Ile wanted to know what those gentlemen who sailed banquets in the north of England and wrote letters which were state papers to the financial societies of Liverpool, had done daring six dreary months to vindicate their opinions and to maintain that policy the prosecution of which was considered almost necessary for the salvation of the country. (Hear, hear.) Why, less troublesome opponents to a government, lees ar dent, or less earnest advocates of a political theory he had never met with. (Hear, hear.) It was with the greatest possible hesitation that the other night, on • very tender me don for financial reform, the hon. gentleman the member for the West Riding went into the same lobby as his hen. friend the member for Oxfordshire (Mr. Henley). Eves the very partial and limited scheme of a reduction of 10 per ant. on salaries frightened the great apostle who had come forward to regenerate the country by an immediate reduction of its expenditure, amounting to not less than 5,000,0001. It was very well to come forward pro fessing factitious sympathy for the people after they had lived to feel, during three years, all the bitterness of disappointment, as the result of believing in those who prided themselves on being adroit political tacticians, and successful political agitator,. (Hear, hear) The hon. gentleman said that he (Mr. Disraeli) and his friends near him were insincere in their professions out of doors. He denied that they were guilty of this charge; but even if it were true, were they the only culprits ? (Cheers) Why he saw before him a gentleman who, in giving a programme of the party of which he was a most able and efficient mem ber, promised to reduce the church establishment, and gave a catalogue of political and ecclesiastical changes which he intimated to his audience he was going to Westmin ster to effect, but they had since heard nothing of them. lie denied that the protectionist party had on any occasions, and particularly on the occasions to which the hon. gentleman (Mr. Cobden) had referred, done anything inconsistent with the general tenour of their opinions. What was the amendment to the addreu ? (lieu, hear.) They were called upon to declare that the country was in a highly prosperous state. In mild and mo derate language they protested against any such declaration, and hon. gentlemen opposite, if sincere and earnest in Belt representations to the people, ought to have supported the amendment. (Haar, hear.) Consistent politicians ! (laughter)—adroit tacticians ! successful agitators ! (Cheers.) The honourable member for the West Riding—a great doctor in the political art, a Gamaliel at whose feet they were all to sit—(laughter) —speaking of him (Mr. Disraeli) as in a position which he really had never had the ambition to occupy, and pretended not to occupy, speaking of himself and his friends, he said, " You'll never get on with all this want of earnestness and sincerity; I'll give you some good advice : you must have a principle. You have a great principle, but you shrink front avowing it —that principle is protection." Yet within ten minutes afterwards the hon. gentleman said, " You'll never suc ceed ; you'll never catch the floating intellect of the country until you get rid of the nonsense, the rubbish, of protection." (Hear, hear.) Such was the inconsistent language of the adroit politician who offered to give theta (the protectionists) lessons. lYty he (Mr. Disraeli) wouid be ashamed to meet a mob at the Matins wish sash rhetoric, to say nothing of I of this country wes ins highly r uneetialactory state, and that it was necessery to replenish the cotters of her Majesty. Purely on fiscal principles he suggested that • tax should be leviel cm the impartation of iortien cora. lie admitted that if it could be shown that the consumer would be taxed by its adoptiim the whole prop sition fell to the ground. lie had never heart an argument put more temperately, more calmly, with more severity of logic, with more facility of repression. It was a masterly argument,— the exposition ample, but nut too long (Hear.) 'Well, how was his right hon. friend met ? The first person who replied to him wee the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and, consider ing that the right hon. gentleman had a good deal to go through, and recollecting also the length at which he had newly addressed the horse, he did net wish to criticise his reply. lie was willing to pass it by, for ho confessed he slid not see a single point that called for the slightest remark. The right hon. gentleman shuffled off the question. lie made a few vague and desultory observations, and then appeared as if conscious that Ito bad done hie work foe the session. (Laughter.) hen he was asked whether they (the proteztiouists) would go to the country and csk the people to pay 41. a week more for their lined, be would reply with the statement he bad just road, and abide the decision 'of his countrymen wi'h p tt. ct con tentment. That was his reply to the agitator *ho wanted to give them krone. lie *ould tell him that ho w..uld have nothing to do with his stale tac•ica. (Cheers.) lie night go back is his banquets where the meats were eon ; he might go back to programmes which were never followed up m that holm Mr. COBDEN—I divided the house. Mr. DISRAELI—Irstead of following the hen. mem ber's example he would fight him with his (Mr. Disraeli's) own weapons, and with those weapons he would heat him. (Cheer.) The bon. gentleman had not attempted to grapple with hie right hon. friend's facts. His right hon. friend had first given certain phenomena, and then theory in explana lion, showing that mere wee a margin within which they might tax the foreigner, without interfering with supply. Placing a scientifi t rgument before the house, i.e was met with rubbish. He suggested a measure for the re lief et tae people of Eagland—for anything which tilled the Exchequer without. imposing new contributions on the subject, was eminently a measure of relief to the people of this country. (near, beer.) Who would tat that, under the circumstances, with an exhausted riche quer and the support of practical men, and considering also his ow n public pesitioo, his right hen friend was not ju st ified in making the suggestion that he had done ? (Hear, hear.) His own opinion was that the suggestion which bad been made that night was a politic suggestion, and would soon be a popular one—(cheers) —although its adoption m.ebt be mortifying to the vanity of individuals in that borne; it might hurt and oficnd the self love evened political patties. (Hear, hear.) Mr. B. OSBORNE could not admit that the ditteuseion of that evening had been useless or uninteresting. When, however, the honourable member for Buckingham shire said the Chancellor of the Exchequer had shuffle' off the question, he could not agree with bins, for there was, in fact, no question before the house. (Hear, hear.) Some time ago he tick the liberty of putting a qnestion is the noble 1 lord at the head of tree foreign department on the subject of the entrance of the Russian troops into Transylvania. (Great laughter.) However amusing this allusion might appear, he should conclude with a definite motion, and he believed it to be perfectly competent to him to do so. (Hear, hear.) Mr. COBDEN rose to order. Taking, as he did, a deep interest in Hungarian affairs, he would submit to his hon. triend whether he might nut injure his cause by introduc ing the aulject then. The SPEAKER said the hon. gentleman (Mr. Osborne) was perfectly in order in bringing the subject before the house, as the only question was, that he (the Speaker) i should leave the chair. Mr. B. OSBORNE declinod to proceed. Mr. BRIGHT said that during the discussion that even ing s.v.ral reasons had been assigned as those which hal probably induced :he right hon. gentleman the member fur Stamford to bring the subject before the house i and, as he believed that all those reasons had been repueltmed, either by the right hon. gentleman himself or by his frit ode , he had beeu endeavouring to discover what could have made the right hon. gentleman, without wishing, as he said, to briny hack protection or to lay any burden on the people of this country--so anxious to invite the Chancellor of the Exchequer to increase the taxation which the people were now called upon to ray. He had recollected that the right hon. gentleman was, some twenty years ago, Chancellor of the Es hive. r himself— ( hear, het)—and that there had of late been a report that he might possibly become Chancellor of the Exchequer again—(laughter,—that old habits, and, perhaps, hopes re cently revived. might have led him to try bit hand at a matter of finance and tag-diem, although he had not been regularly called in lied asked to prescribe. Now lie (Mr. Bright) was not dispoesi to shirk the consideration of the questien which Ihe right hen. gentlemen had placed before them. ( near.) Vlie hon. member for Buckingham said that they had not met the question, whether this small fixed duty uttuld be a harden on the inept° of this country, and whether foreigners Could be induced to pay it. If e should put the question in a come from w ou u r uld Au b : very simple term, but he thought a very conclusive one. Let some even occasionally from it be observed that we drew our supplies of corn from sit parts of the wore' under free trade. We brought supplieg trim the nearest European ports; we brought some from country, end Spain, some truss variots parts of the Mediterreneen, a large quantity ( rem the Black See, a large quantity from the United States of America, which our "m ludia, and he beli sf e a v n eel ts so u : ss e Italian colones. He askeid the right honourable gemtlernaa, whether a duty even as small es that which he was reported to reconammol, would trot, to soma extent, deirracevumn7aitbeanthye su rface rate of price in this whether at [a reran price we might not bring corn from China and India, and at a certain other price from the Black Sas, and at another price from the United States, and at a certain other price from the Baltic and near ports. The tax which the right hon. gentleman would im 1101^, would necessarily reduce the limit and make the circle lets. Ile now came to the hon. member for Bucking hamshire. Ile had found great fault with the hun. mem ber for the West Riding because his language ii!d MA meet kis views. As to the question of t conomy, he asked the hon. member for Buckinghamshire, whether this was not the fact, that during this session every motion for econn- „..,- with the exception of one or two within the la i d f o r •"'" had been opposed by those hon. members who et- Alithee :rued hie support in this house ; and when they went to ' he hoped they . would learn from th . farmer, e e co rs un t try, ai their Conduct in this s essi o n on ' watched, and that the farmers ' and point had been members on that side of the fe ,ere aware that if as many members on that title of the ..uuse had been in favour of eco nomy 01 01 !9ii 5 " I .e. t'. ..se government could not have resisted the propositions ..nich had been made in favour of a great rednetint or the expenditure. He thought that hon. gentlemen opposite should learn not to place much trust in protectionist leaders. The right hon. gentleman, the mem ber for Tamworth, was a'great protectionist leader at one time; he was not so now. (Hear, hear.) Lord Stanley was a great protectionist leader now, but it was not long since he was in favour of a bill called the Grinding in Bond Bill, which was opposed by hon. gentleman opposite as a free-trade measure. He also supported, if be (Mr. Bright) was not mistaken, the bill for allowing corn to come from Canada, which was called a destructive measure by hon. gentleman opposite. Lord Stanley had changed his opinion ; he was a free trader once; he was a protectionist now; he might be a free trader next session. The hon. member for Buckinghamshire, on one occasion, declared that free trade was the great policy of the old tory party; at least he (Mr. Bright) had a recollection of some such expression u that coming from his lips. The hon. gentleman now, although he eat at the head of the protectionist party in this house, repudiated protection almost in express terms ; and be had a very sanguine hope that, after this session, the honourable gentleman would never again stand up at that table and advocate a principle which he must ace to be hopeless, if he did not already believe it to be unsound. He did not regret that this question had been brought on to-night ; he hoped that, as they were approaching the end of the session, they were approaching the end of discussion on this question of free trade. For himself he was con firmed in his belief in the truth of the principles of free trade. It would be a consolation to him so long as he lived, that he had been, in the smallest degree, instrumental in causing the adoption of those principles by the people and the government of this country, and now, whatever poverty existed in the country—he never passed a man, woman, or child, however poor, however wan, however suffering, but be felt a consolation that his voice had been raised against a system which had made them more poor, more wan, and more suffering; and he believed that, as the sea sons passed over us, we should find there would le, on both sides of the house, and in every portion of the country, a general, not only acquiescence in the principle. of free trade, but a clinging to them so firmly that no political party would ever be able to change the policy which this house had so wisely adopted in late. (Cheers.) Mr. WODEIIUUSE could not help expressing his regret that this motion had not been brought forward in some other ship, when the sense of the house might have been taken distinctly upon it; but hehailed this proposition, pro lento, u an auxiliary measure in favour of protection. Mr. VILLIERS was afraid that sufficient attention had cot been given to an important admission, which seemed to nut an end to the recurrence of similar motions. The honourable gentleman who was one of the oleeat and most sincere of the protectionists, who had agitated this question of protection for the last 30 years, had the courage to avow that his measure of a fixed duty was nothing more than a protee ive duty —was a mea sure that would raise .the price of food to remunerate the producer. This was a most important admission, and he would only add one word, and calling the attention of the house to the sentiments of a most important protectionist in the other house—Lord Winchihea—who said, that he trusted that if ever such a project as a fixed duty was pro posed to this country, that the whole people would rise as one man to resist it. Sir W. JOLLIFFE said that a proposition was now made most easily to replenish the exchequer, and that pre. peeition emanated from his right hon. friend below him I CNlr. Heroes.) It would be thankfully accented by the hancellor of the Exchequer, but he nano forbidden to do se • .416/ MARRIAGE BILL. ....... Mr. GOULBCRN wi , hed to learn from his right bon. friend the member tor Bute whether he proposed U petaist with his Marriage Bill during the present session. Mr. J. S. WORTLEY said he should take the report OA Monday next; but whether he should get the third read ing during the present mssii,n would depend, of coarse, on the state of the bminesr. Mr. GOULBURN said it would be important to knew the exact intentions of his nght bon. friend. Ate. J. S. WORTLEY would take the third reading, if passible, on Wednesday next. OUTRAGE AT CASTLE.WELLAND. 0 , 1 the order of thedi, for ilTecommittee --- oi Ways and seam, - Lord JOCELYN claimed the indulgence of the house for a few moments in a matter in which be was personally intended. Ile regretted that he shnu'd have been accident ally absent during the discussion of the previous evenicg, as it involved the nec.s.ity of troubling the house on the present occasion. He had no cause to complain of the notice given by the Ir.n , member fir Mayo, or of the attack made by that hon. member ant a noble relative of his (Lord Jocelyn's). The hon. member bad he believed admitted that his noble relative wee generally esteemed by all classes of his countrymen. Other attacks, of a more ob,ectionable nature, hail been made up-n hie noble relative in the course of the debate to which he should not further allude than by saying that the bon. members who made them might, in courtesv,kave gives him some notice of their Intention. (Cheers.) He should not allude further to those attacks; he did not think they would injure his noble re lative. (Hear, hear.) He should address himself, in the observations be was about to make, to the conduct which had been imputed to his noble relative on a recent melan choly occasion. He was informed by his noble relative that previous to the 12th July he had been given to understand, by a lathe body of the society to which he belonged, that they wished to pay him a visit of respect and affection, at his residence. His nobli relative communi cated with them, and as he (Lord Jogel)n) be lieved, induced many thousands who had determined to be present to relinquish their intention. At the same time he said that his gates should not be shut against say loyal man of his neighbourhood who might visit him on the 12th July. It hod been stated teat his noble relative had invited 6,000 ruffians to feed and become inebriated, in order that when let out they might devastate the country. On the contrary, his noble relative feeling that it would be impossi ble to prevent this proceoids was desirous of using Lis in fluence to prevent the possibility of any bad consequences. When the people reached his house, he addressed them, and certainly, he (Lord Jocelyn) having read the addree, considered that, although it might be said to bo almost too loyal, yet there was no thing in it which any man need be ashamed of. His firm conviction was that his noble relative's object was to restrain the p-ople from any acts such as they had now reason to deplore, and that his anxious desire was to promote good feeling amongst all classes. (The noble lord here read an extract from Lord linden's address, in which the Orangemen were advised to relrida from all unlawful acts, and to seek only the rights and welfare of their country.) While his noble relative was delivering this ad (lnes, he was surrounded by many Roman catholics, and there was not the slightest bad feeling exhibited in any quarter. He (Lori Jocelyn) had only further to say that no man more deeply deplored then kis noble relative, the unfortunate catastrophe that had taken place, end there was nothing that he would not have done to avert it. Those who knew him best knew that he made no difference on the score of religion or politics among his tenants, and that no thing could he farther from hie wishes than that the law should be violated or lie or property endangered. He (Lord Jocelyn) would defer any observations on the general ueston until the house was in possession of fuller in- Sir G. GREY felt thet some apology was due from him to the hon. member for M iyo for h , s accidental absence during the discussion of that hon. member's motion. Na having been present he would now take the opportunity of stating that slier what had occurred, the gnv rement had come to the conc:uinn that it would be necessary to bring . in an act of parliament prohibiting all party processions in Ireland. (Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") The temporary act expired in 1845, and it was no: intended to pro pose any renewal of that act, but early next No siest to propose an act, not reviving any former act, but having for its object to prohibit all party processions, all processions bearing arms or banners with offensive mottos, calculated to cres:e animosity, or to provoke breachcs of the peace. With reference to the transactions which had led to the recent melancholy occurrence, as they would re quire the most strict and searching investigation, he trusted be should not be expected to discuss them on that occasion. 1.3r1 CASTLEREAGH said that he had received a letter from Lord Roden which he trusted that he should be per mitted to read. (The noble lord read the extract to the effect that there were many Roman catholics in the park during the visit of the Orangemea, and that the utmost har mon) prevailed.) He begged to state his firm belief that Lord Roden had acted with a sincere intention of producing *peaceful result. In conclusion, he felt justified in assur ing the house that no man more regretted the recent events than Lord Roden himself. Mr. BRIGHT was not about to repeat the observations he had made on the previous evening, but he thought that the noble lord who had just spoken should not attempt to make it appear that government had neglected their duty in not passing the act, because he (Mr. Br ght) believed that they had acted in accordance with the opinion of parliament, in refraining at that time, The noble lord should rather turn his attention to the gentlemen of large property in the north of Ire:and, who must know that these processions were contrary to law. If that were true, great blame must attach to these noblemen and gentlemen, some of whom were concerned with the administration of justice, and who did not on the recent occasion make use of their combined authority and influence to put a stop to these processions. Without saying a word spinet Lord Roden, whose private character he had always beard highly spoken ef, he must say it was tinsel that noblemen and gentlemen of in• Bodice should separate themselves from this old and bid system through which the country had suffered so much. (Hear, hear.) What he asked for was a special in quiry, such as had been known in this country and in Ireland in former times, when events of a similar nature took place—an inquiry whereby not only the facts as to the death but as to the origin of the affair would be elicited ; who had got up the procession, who had attended it, and whether those who ought to have discountenanced it had participated in it. One witness had stated at the in quest that he could give the coroner the names of many who were present, and were, therefore, responsible. He was quite sure that government could not institute too rigid an inquiry, for he was certain that parliament would require and the country would insist on it. (Cheers.) Mr. HUME—Having been chairman of a committee which recommended the suppression of Orange lodges, and having obtained from the present King of Hanover a public declaration for their dissolution, he could not but express his deep regret to find that they were still in mischievous ex istence. (Hear.) PROPOSED FIXED DUTY ON CORN. Mr. HERRIES said he should not have risen at that pt riod to submit his motion for a fixed duty on corn if he dig not believe it to be conducive to the general wish of the hews that he should proceed with it at once. (Hear, hear.) When he looked at the accounts for the year ending Me sth of July, 1849, he was led to believe that the gtshaW deficiency of the income as compared with enditure would be greater this year than was sup mid. He would briefly state why he thought so. In too Beet item of revenue he found that the sum received in 1848 was 19,883,0001.,and in 1849 20,827,0001.,.giving &nipper's , hums° of nearly 1,000,0001., and indicating thereby rather a prosperous state of that branch of income; but when he came to deduct the amount of corn duties in the one year and in the other the ease assumed a very different aspect. The customs would exhibit after that deduction a difference against the present year of some 60,0001. or 70,0001. He now came to the considerationef that question, which he wished more particularly to intro duce. It was, to derive from a moderate fixed duty upon corn a large addition to the public income of the country, without ',imposing any additional burden upon the people. This was a p:colierly favourable time Pr the onsiderstint of the qu'stion. We had aopin4 ezprieac• within