The Express. — London, England, 1849-06-13 00:00:00

Wald have mom who ere most sempotemt to judge of the gallon la &roc Per immune, this wee a geographical eptigaloa : why should not the two 'Mon go peplum of this Wilatry have met three of the Vatted States, somata[ othendie gad* d by newel charmer sad pima attalamestr, mad haw been antherind to vest Is an aspire, it ainessere ? Mem, bees.) Why sat leave the question IS some anti rater—Berm Menthe Mt, suppose, or some ether pot era—who would decide be none canoed, thee My war would be likely to do. I berg that the Onset geodes eassed the heels.* spore headoes to them who were engaged en both ebbe in this estate to IM4 lam aware that Mr. Wine*, dm Amen. ma sanieter, felt the greatest solicitude, sad maidersori deepen amen, em the &nivel of every packet sad ia Worth, the ngbt boo. madman remain is Min di the quinine ine aided. (Hon, hew) I Mew what ho fele, aid Whet every Stabler is a nailer ration meet lest On mid organza The great dellealty was lest pert, mint and f o r ds, iraciteessat Mond arise on either side of Iles water to Wader min perplex the *Cats of ikon who were interentell in its settlement (Meet, hear.) It i t to Nome diet difficulty in future—to p r , a t the ieterpmei- Mmt of bed madam sad popular prepedian la tbese bat I dense to have promisees made bencehatth fee bat by arbitraMs. (Meer.) There was another Mee in 1841, the Wept tram which was, in ney pia& the swat lathatheot of all—l mean the tow S Mr. IMPLeod, oho had been taken and smit hy the state of Now York, and tried f r his lib , It:Veg, as he blesetli avowed, taken part is the burning 01 the Cambay, is whisk an American ammo lest Ms late. Our severnment claimed to Mae this question decided between the general government of the U sited Brat a Mad nemelves. But the government of the U.+ d Bathe end that they had not the power to remove Ike case oat of New York enure and that they could sect prevent de• Mate of New York proceeding in t e matter. We all Itatew the ezeitensent which took plain en that coca den There was great tretement la Mamba an • pan 'Waren and peat apprehends& In this mantry. Now, ▪ WL ad Ind been ezecuted. what would the cansequeem have beim in this country? Wey, die old ay of our honour being leveload would have bees rated. (An Hon. Member: Certainly.) Au hen. gent man says menialy. But what Meese ir4sid you take to vindicate your honour? Yon would go to war, and for the oat fife that bed bran taken away yolk Would samitice the lima of th, wands and teas of theamada. (Hear p ha-r.) Bat would all this wri te* of human Me Metore the life of th man on whom ectonat yea vrere figktine ? (H eat, beer.) Would It met be meth wiser ia all such cases mot do( resorting to war, wbich is nothing but wholeta:e anodes, it war an be avoided—Ow, hear)—you had re. testae , to arbitratimi by which, indeed, you nuld es little testae, tite individual to life as by the employmeot of all year military torem., but by whico you might obtain a Mimed provision for his widow and family, can which, be it remarked is no part of the object of theta who engag•• is battle. (Hear, hear.) Now there is ano:ber ease upon which I esil the right bon, gentleman °Amite (Sir R. Pe I) into coast—tie cam of Mr. Pritchard, a missineary, and the to mid of this country at Tattitiorho had been put under arrest by the Pasch admired. When this t elks first &reeved in this cenotry Isom a distaste, of 12,000 or 14,000 muw, the press froth here and in Pianos sounds d the tante and national pnjodiors sod hatreds win Oita on bola M (Hi sr, hear.) Tbe French minima, X. Oita it, was told that he wee in to succumb be the dictation of E•cland, and in this country it wee a.id that the honour of England was as raced to the iambus of Prawn The right bee. ratlines was so concerned as to siteare that the insult Mimed was o. • of the grossest worsen ever eons Witted, sad was inflicted in the po ant owner. TIM added to the difficulty of dealing moth the gum ttn in the proper meaner. Dl,Gels et sad Lord Anshan both pleint•d of the undoes of the pees of beh couroria, which .easperated thu asthma aniwwiry ca that °erasion, sad faders d st more diffeult to settle the quips lea amicably. (Meer, marl s I sow ask the right hoo. gentleman if he would not ye felt smacited and nappy in 1844 if • tre.ty of arbitratioa had ended between t' is mono, and p. m . by which this namable sad trumpery quicken might have hen at woe win draws from the arena of national controversy tad placed leader the atjudication of a ononansion set spar far that purpose ? (Hear, Mar.) I nay be told that none of then Instances had led to or tertaiestal is war. That is true. But they led ban enormous mamas oft xpendituro ; to bad blood and hots !moose nations, (Hear, bear I hive no hesitati .n in saying th d these disputa lave coot this country 30 000,0001. sterling. (Hear, hear.) They nut Daly led to expenditure at the time, hat tbm ocesaionsd • permanent Weans. in your estahlisoments, as I lave shown you oa a Oman weesion, used you are now going on point every year for the increase of then estab lishments whith was then made. (liter, hear.) N or, I would ask, is the lace of this hoses, where is the &meant you can use against the venerable pripo-itioa which I mow pet forward. 1 may be tokl that even it you ask' treaties of this kind, you cannot en force the award (Hear beer.) I admit I no party to the plan aside some eder wan —no doubt with the best intentions—et having a c egress of nate as with a cone of laws—a supreme court of appeal, with so Gray to support its &dean,. lam no party to any such =Olen, k us.) I le lies* it might lead to more inter line to ,k plea at present. (" Hear, hear," acid beaskter.) The hon. path man %pada who is to move anondreat to my motion (Mr. Urquhart) Yes ed died, Menthes my obj. et. The hen. pentlemaa le ea otedinely Wive in heck* ea ameadments to ether panne notions. (Laughter.) If the hon. gentleman would try the bean bon, a. I base clone, sad ear viewed the daceity of genii" • fair tearing, he weld me hew tame ft w.s to have one • notion sp Bed by seam ex transom enmities of &mashie hon. member. (" Hear. heat" and laughter) I say this because I sin mot the owl plaintiff in this matter. Them are other hoe. gratlemee who coreeived their mei. se to be 'piled, frastrated, abilterated, by the kw. gentleman (Ms k laughter) My joetilleatio• for alluding to him on the preemie ocesien ie, that he his founded his amender nt on a naitsppeehen den of what at, w Mims is. (Hear, Mar.) He hes . 'i deally fallen under ;he idea that I have some grand project he paving the whole world ewer sons et net of justice. I have no such plan ih New at all ; cad der. tore neither the lea. pailemen nor any other penes will ass .er my ergs- Moab it he has prepared a went rooming that I have Maya& g of the kind in view. (Hear, hear) I have so idea of ineforring treaties of arbitration. I bias no idea of entoming Seethe; in any other way than that resorted to in former times. I do not myself advocate an appeal to arms. Bat that which lull mid the violat•on of • treaty wider doe oil amuse, may fellow the violnion of • treaty of arbitratien If adopted. What I *ay however, is, If you make a treaty with aeotber country, binding them to refer any dispose to arbitrstion, and if that country violate. that Meaty when the climate arises, then you will place it in wens paid= before the world—you will Moth it k ee Waned a position that I doubt if any country wool I ester late war ea oath bad grounds as AA othetry must einapy. (Hear, bear.) I may be toll that this is not the MIND to brie, forward such • motion. (Hear, Mat) 1 weer knew a good motion brought forward in a bad reason. (Meet beer.) Bet it may be said that the time is badly dimes betimes there is a prat deal of war on the otatianit now. I quite disagree in that. Is there any. tldag In wee so heeding that we sly old Imitate before as took peoceetiesa opium any mere of i• ? (11.ar, bear.) 1 should have thought, on the contrary, that what is taking tron the continent is the very roma why we should e . every precaution now. (Hear, bear) Thane were now of these were, with the exception of that between fishbowl' and Denmask, to which international trea ties would apply ; 13..oause the are all either civil wan et wan of insurrection and rebellion. This very war between Schleswig and Denmark ass an instance of the very Insigoificant means by which you could poises wide-spread mischief in this commercial age. (Hear.) Bet if the larger states encouraged the Wootton of a pacific policy, the minor states would follow. I have not entered into the horrors of war, or the manifold evils to which it gives rise. I will on the preset ocession metent myself welt the description of It by Jeremy B. e thane who cells it" mischief on the "aged scale." (Hear, bear.) I will leave them topics red that mode of hat d:ing the speedos to these who may discuss the matter, either • here or elsewhere. I hove stated so clearly, so explicitly, sad is ase natter-ofsfact manner what my *eject is, that it mazes be misunderstood. I pat it to any person having • do. Ore to avert war, being desirous that this c ninny should . ive a manatee for peace in future, whether, when be sees that •Ilse adoptloa of this plan can do no hero, it Ls not just end • wise to try whether it ma not effect good. As it is likely to • have that effect in the opinion of nearly 200,000 petitioners to this honse—as that is the *aloe fleeter, d by 150 public meetings in this country—am it Is the opinion declared by members of town coin is who calmly dimmed this matter in their large boroughs —as it is the opinion of so tinny of yror iseas— able and intelligent men—ln many different pert of the country, will you refuse to them, under the circumstances I have dated, this the only mode that has beta propounded of affording • guarantee against war, w (oh we all deprecate ? The hon. gentlemen seasludadamidetlood chews by moving; TIM aa Weeks addem be primed te her 11Mesty, Maytag she wit bemedientie *and tented bra priasipalleiremy dilate for liestgi Adds bald ye meentrintite with bodge 'ewers, tn. Wing them to mew 5 tres, haft the eeop owlet, a the even of way Men wiiimilwarsdiso whisk mann be arranged by anions watt" loran tbo maw In depute to the &M an abitreeme. Mr. EWART seconded the motion. Mr. B. COCHRANE soil that, whatever might he the opinion of the house as to the merits of the proposition of the boa. gentleman, the re court be but one opinion as to the inopportunewes of the time when he brought it forward. Although the bon. gentlemen rejected some of the views of those who pot him forward on this accesion, he thought they , might view this question asthe questing of the Pram Sheety, ' whose views he het Ito be completely impracticable. The dews of the bon gent'iman were the same as those enter lathed by Lap thee, Pierre 1410111, Respell, Prudhon, and the other members of the Montague. There wee great sym pathy between the Momogne in Frames and the Montagne here, and he believed that one party were as honest in their convictions as the other. Lord R. GROSVENOR did not think that the hon. patinae° who had ja,t sat down had made any answer to the sp itch of the hoe. member who brought this motion Inward. (Hear, hear.) He should not have addresser'. tha lase, bonny. were it not that ho e cot tanner in all • the anemone made by the hoe. ',mamma the member Ice • the West Riding. The her. gentleman had detailed with mach unction the quantity of pow& r and other mate/labia • More in this country. Pelham Were was more than was net, miry ; but he certainly in gone degree entertained the sentiments which he saw on a late weasi .n inscribed on ore of the gates of Tourney, in Belgium. Si et Ws pacen pore beton. He believed that it was renetimes necessary fur this weetry to make preparatLers for war. (Hear, hear.) Oa tlie question of peso.) be Lad Lai to (mounter some Tidi es). as a member of a •Lciasy formed for UM tisomageraent olds/Ming. (" Hear, hear," =detects.) When the gore dun of duelling was find brought fxrused in that house, it wed met pretty mush in the same way as the voodoo of the hoe. member foe the Wes aiding hied been m-t that eves ' lag, samely, by smiles and arida. The result was, however, that alterations were made is the articles of war, through which a sputa of arbitrating had been establialud IMOD( ***llan a the army and navy, sad the practice of dust. bag had singe almost entirely 'eased. (Hear, hear.) He wad aware that in advocating opi.ions like those which he was 'uprooting, one *total bettors the world aa a parrs who wee better than other people, and tha . operated a. a &seat fragment to effort, of this nature, The very attempt en the 13 part of the , itish g nt rasot t h negoclato ad directed the attention of foreign ministers to the ashler); of arbitration. (Hear) It was his fir a convictive that by the Allrming of the pelaciple of arbitra.ion by a large majority of that house am enormous step would b' pined in advance, sod he be lieved that one result wool i he that the subject would w aive a degree of attenti .n from foreign governments which would at hint evince a sincere desire to avowd war; and when the princip . e invvlv d generally preys led this country would he able to effect much great r retrenchments in her army and navy than could pot.itt y be effected seder pre 'et eircumstaaisse. Meet eontirilly did he support the notion. (Cheers.) Mr. MACKINNON egad not help raying that the hon. gentleman opposite (Mr. Cobden) had enrol-ti himelf by his motion to thy thanes of that house, the [haul's of the country, and, he might add, the thanks of the civilised word. (Cneers.) Whatever might be the fate of the motion, it scold lead omy to good. There was one fallacy in the hoc. gentleman'. popes.' to which he would point hi. energies. ' For the pupas. of hi. armament, belied appeared to .moms ! that two countries r sentbl• d two individuals, A and B, who a.treed to have an arbitration of a disputed metier. He omitted to tak • into account the cirevaittie co that the two I individuals had to get a rule ol court wi lett obliged them to obey the award of the arbitrator. Assuming that taste Wit an arbitrati r betwe. n any two countries, and tout one of them refused to obey the award, he did not see what result ' seas to be an iviel at except by means of war. Mr. COBDEN —The game argument applies in the cos of all treaties. . Mr. MACKINNON said that treats<■ did not prevent Mr. COBDEN—You have cot tried that yet. Mr. MACKINNON c -nti,ostd—The attempt might be of no avail without a pledge to chide by the drei•ion He agreed, however, wi.h tht noble lord wh , , immediately pre ceded him, that an expr,a.ion in favour of arbitra ion on the part of that house was calculated to do a east amount of Iwo& Colquel THOMPSON said he had received ir.etructiens which he could net rthob y, to .upport the motion of tht hon. member !or the Writ Riding ; end in the present die ' position of the holm hr should do lit le more than say that he ehoold do so as &evilly at it dererved. Whatever might bit the immediate result of the motten, there w.a the be ginning, and he was the beginner of a great European and world ►efurma•ion. (Cheery.) - - - Dutch resorted to arbitration in such a case, terms might have been propelled to them involving the sacrifice of a par don of their territory, by which their future independence and security woald have been totally undermined. (Hear, hear) C oild the Dutch have submitted to sack terms ; and wan it for any foreign pence', however learned or wise, to decide whether nations should sacrifice their (reediest in such a way ? (Hear.) He would not believe, con nected as the intim.* of Europe now were, that we were (tea time I toe , * a earienanee and revival of those ware which had been the disgrace of civilisation, humanity, and Coristianstv in previous p nods. (Hear, hear.) There wes a time in Egret* when individuals sallied from their castles, and made wee on other chiefs living some ten mice dimwit from them. At a somewhat later period the plains of Fleeders were cover. d wi,h rapine and bloodshed by the quarrels b t e'en different small towns; and many cities and villain were destroyed by fire in ernsequeoce o f this ante of things Comparing this with the period from 1815 to 1849, it would be seen that those wars of the middle ages, of bar ma amongst themselves, and of feudal chiefs and sovereigns against peaceful dim bad entirely disepreared, and tee artisan and hueb mimeo now pureed their undo and iedustre in peace. That change haven liken place, he could not ere why another change shoals net follow ; sod that, in consequence of a similar progress of eisi illation, in consequence of a greater feeling that men were bound to make every sacrifice fur the sake of peace and to terminate their dispute a with one wencher; ie in fusers times Prussia and Denzil at had a question in dispu e, they should thick it as unnatural and barbarous to have recourse to war, u it would be for the city of Brueel to make an atttek on Antwerp , or the city of York to make an stimuli on Durham. (Hear, hear) Such he believed would be this progress of eiviasition ; and the influenza of gevernmeuts wooed do much its bringing about the change. Certainly, whet we had teen last year vault tend to =eke us less sanguine of this result. At the same time, he did :am see why suca changes should net ba in program, why the in fluences of the great goveremeets of Europe should not be used for the purpose of dimmerearing ins, of mediating between powers engaged in disputes which when even of little importune often led to war. He ens the na oe confirmed in this opinion, became, looking at all the were of the last century, and examining into their causes, he did noes*, one which might not have been settled without remorse to arms, bad there been temper in the (Afferent parties, and a fair consideration of the questions it. dispute. (Hear, hear.) With them: general views, he differed Dig from many of the statements made by the hove member for the Wry Riding, nor did he regret that the quo otiose had been brought under cobtidereuen. He ear -1 tiiniy differed from him as to the policy of ittroducir g as arbithaien amuse into all our entries with foreigu pew. re, thinkieg that such a clause would not tend to secure the ob j et the house had its view. But wish regard to the general eject, the m Ante thence of peace, a,.d cf the national oncur ie an amic.ble spirit, he agreed in the view in which the hen. ,eneerean had made his motion. Capt. HARRIS rose amidst loud cries for a division. He said that tee hen. gentleman opemite had taken this question out of the hands of the Quak.rs, for whom he had a great ee.peet, fur the purp, s I ot reducing the establishments of the .entry. lie b hived they were the instruments era reputi liein policy, gaol that they wished to strip this country of its defences. Wien it wu stated in the menage of tree French President that the at amen of the French navy *mounted to 28,500 nun, be sides 11,1 1 00 IIIST•IIPS, how was it possiele for te em to relate one man •I eh,- 27 500 men, which was the strength ot the it navy ? (H. or, hear.) Mr. COBDEN replied. The hon. gentleman who had ju t eat deem hal spoken of their establishments, the navy in particular, es something which des'r.ed to b. preserved for its own 'eke in time of peace. lie begged to enure the hon. and eell .nt gentleman that the country (merely did not wish to keep ems ship ell tat if it we. n t n. usury. (Hear.) But •h it they rued was to render ships of war to the extent to which they were now employed unneenstry. (Her.) That was their view. It was not to tender toe ceseatry dereecelees, but to tAr. (eh. r mean► for our defence. (Hear, hear ) The hon. gentleman spoke of the French guy. rumeet bowie g of the immense armaments they had in exiatene e But the hon. gentleman lost sight of another passage in the some eocument where allusion is made to the . present stet, of the French finance a ( Hear, hear.) Now, any eaten who lex iced et this qmaion in • professional point of view, who looked upon our establishments by lane end re* es Immo Ives alone—('e oh, oe,")—yes, any person who lo lied at the qu.stion through any other medium than the one he had described, would see that the state meet of the Pr, olden: respecting the unharnessed an I lamest bankrupt state of the finances more • have comp' tatted for the large am ant of force kept up in that coan'ry. (lieer, hear.) Naperson would ceneider the Fresh ma to° the stronger tor he ping up such armaments in the flee of such finaoc el mearrne ments, and he must car that three—he they ch ,rtists ier (makers, or the hon. gentleman who sat near him, ah asked eo reduce the exoentliture of this e u try by seeking for another safeguard of peane, to:4 sill wisest and the best entree, not to testaleish a ',poetic, but to maintain the presto: institution. of this volute,. which would never be endineered till they had re .chat that stage in this country which was the lasts ace of p. ace and order, in SIIZIOSt every c wary of Europe, the sage of filen ciel difH.ul y and erabsransment. (Hear, hese.) The wan lord the member :or L ndon lied net dealt with this qui s ion as a st shaman should deal with it. He said that the demean whine ar s. clueing the last fifteen ye rs had Bern sett!, 4 uneer the present swans. lit (?Ir. C Arlen) admitted it : it was a witted by all, Bu t the nnbl lord ergot to mention that whilst these disput. a ex. ease their estehlishmenes had been increased, and when they were settle dth y had not been a duced: (Hear, heir.) He did not think the noble lord had glen any answer to the argument which he had put forward in favour of some other means of guaranteeing*. cue', and peace b. aids the unsetis factory and expensive one of increasiug our eetahliehosents ere my time a petty quarrel arse with a foreign state. (Hear.) He would leave otnen te take the hiehe r ground of appeal ing to tee aliitioue and morel setitinteuts of the palate. 'That department had been well handled, and would be again by whets who were better qualified for the tick than he. Be would content himself with taking lower ground and pressing the question cf a re duction of the exuenei tire. He e entered thee one rea on for messing his pacific vices on the heave wen to stain that moss dt sirable end ; tend in accordance with the motion now been the house, he would take &nor er oppur turity—not, perinea, that session, as be was here tofore co untortuna - e in the chop cos of the ballot bex —but at all events in the next sesaien of parliamert, of moving an address to the crown that coorraunicatious be en tered upon with foreign powers, to enable them not oney to put a stop to this monstrous increase of line re-battle ships, and steam vessels and military force, but to enable them eraduelly to diminish the existing amount. (Hear, hoar) Then two objects should in his opinion go together. Th. y cueht to give a ,me guarantee against the sudden re currence of sudden war by some such honourable compact as that shich he tow proposed. They called the premed rate of things peace. The noble lord spoke of peace Icing preserved. It was not peace ; it was an armed truce. (Cheers) The county was one great intrenchme rd. (Hear, bear.) He did not call it Fein at ell. When the treble lord spoke of the progress of civilisation, and said that wee existed only amongst petty st .tes, be (Mr. Cobden) said on the other hand, that the great rates maniteen d a display of force far more f rmid.ble than nothing that existed at the feudal age. (Hese hear Bef re the recent revolutions broke out there were 2,000,000 in Europe o' armed men living on the products of iedustre. (Hear, hear.) He had taken sonic pins to make the calculetion, and he was sure he was net 'elegem int! when br said that 200,000,0001. was not too high an eats mate of the cost ot this unproductive clan. (Hear, hear.) It war a mimeos. r, thereton, to c .11 .0 - di a mete of things a state of peace. The noble lord (Palm. neon) led him to w oose that there was not much diffrence in their vie' 5, but he proposed an amendment which would deprive him of taking the opinien of the house on the question. lie re gretted that beeesse he wanted the house to express en opinion on in merits, and if he wished es it on no other account, he desired it for the sake of knowing how the noble lo:d would vote. (Hear, bear) He should like to see whether the noble lord would von against the Emden, altar the speech which he made. The noble lord the member for Lindon sho otrplisted him eery much by his speech, for he opposed the motion, and said that if c .rried it would not answer • but, lit the rime time, he said that In (Mr. Co deo) did good by bringing it tor. ward. He did not understand such compliments with such comments. (Hear, hear.) He would take the sense of the house on the matter, whether on the previous question or not. He believed the diicussion would do goad. (Hear, bear ) The mien sheuld be kept alive, and to the wintry he commended it. (Cheers.) The hones then divided— For the motion Fur the previous question sees Mr. OSBORNE moved that the following members should be th> select committee on Receivers, Courts of Chan cery and Exchequer (Ireland) ;—Mr. Osboroe, Sir R Pt el, Sir James Graham, Sir W. Somerville, Mr. Solicitors Gnu rel. Mr. Napier, Mr. Monsell, Mr. Bright, Mr. Henley, Mr. O'Flaberty, Mr. G. A. Hamilton, Mr. M•Cullagh, Mr. P. Woo-1, Mr. Turner, and Mr. 'foment. Col. DUNNE objected to the nomination as unfair to the owners of land in Ireland. Mr. OSBORNE said then ware seven Irish gentlemen. Col. DUNNE moved, as an amendment, that the ar pointment of tee committee be pcstponei. Sir P. NUGENT seconded the amendment. Mr. MONSELL thought it well to proceed with the no. mirattion, because, if postponed to any later period of the session, nothing would be done on the eubjeet. Lord BARRINGTON complained of the mode in which these select eommitt es were appointed. The house divined. For the amendment Against it 59-45 Mr. M. O'CONNELL novel that the nuns of Mr. Keogh be substituted for that ci Mr. Bright. The SPEAKER said that the motion wild not be sub mitted, et notice of it bad not been given. Major BLACHALL suggested that the nomination of the committee he postponed. Mr. OSBORNE sail the nimes proposed were those of honest and independent m-n, and that the committee would surain a public has, if Mr. Bright were excluded from it. The comtnittee was then agreed to. HIGHWAYS BILL. The Highways Annual Returns Bill was real a third time and pissed. ARMY IN INDIA. On the motion of Sir J. llongotter, leave was given to bring in a bill ti punish mutiny aid ave.:ion of officers and soldi,is in India. Tae bill was eubtequriely brought in and real a first time. Toe bottle adjourned at 20 minutes post 12 o'clock. the erorm. OUTGOING MAILS. Mafia for MUM None America sad tae t laded State• will be made op ma the teeming dabs lath June. roe meat ladle Mos. excluding Bermuda, Flaranna Numu, deadness. New Orlesim, and Mezieo, sat brined," tame for wearies, tit. Ji.an.de.Ntesempta. New Cleanada, flail. and Peru, will • • made up am the morning et the I th rune. The mails for Tam Opotto, Limbs, Madeira, Cadiz, and Gib:alai, will 0e aerie op on the detrains of the 1711 a drum. mie Tuaala fug Cht.ralw, Mallt, .o In:Ander tlypt. ulna. Ceykm. Iltm.r-tiong, and ettiba, cats auuthami lon, will to mule uti cm the 201 h e. The malls, vie allaretillea, to the Mediterranean Egypt, Osyks, India, Hood-Kamwill he made up on the 2501 . .1 use. The malla lot Madeira. the Breads and Duane Ayres, wilibe made apoa the treaniag ot the 4th of Jolt'. 41U WATTIA AT LOWDUM MRIIIOII pre 7. To llsosaom /I al. put =la. PEA 7. LONDON, WEDNESDAY, JUNE 13. Ma. Connas, in coming forward to propose to the politic's s ot the day the substitu ion of previously arras g. .d arbitration IT the old modes in either diplo macy or war, re.ernbles the E-igliehman who first pre eared and handed a cup ot tau to his friend*. Tto new beverage appeared to hare li tie to recom mend it. After the hat itnil epic. d wine and usque baugh it appeared streusel, ins pid, feminine in its weakness, mawkish in its taste, and at bet an innecent and id:e diluent. And yet this aiml la b Volago was de-tined to become ti:e received and habitual one of millions, so solu...Ty mid so plcaaut, that tit:. mum l is how peop!e ever uid without it. The House of Commons, however, lee impertinent than the tory press, cud not set aside last night the cop of arbitration with died tin. It tasted end tasted, discussed the quality and the virtues, and one of the most interesting, instructive, and itapntant debates of the session sprung out of it. Fur the first time we believe on rccord, a foreign minister dire:lewd the Deere. vrinciplea and machinery of his ..ffica, and un warily, perhaps, lit in the light of heaved on the mys teries of Dosniog-s , reet. We might, looted, have su-p - mte d before, that all was not right and just our pri. e'p.. aei policy— that there was ere , kmlness in them, and hiddim thing., deceit, rapacity, at.d ambition. But we never thought to hear Si minis' er cont , as all this by d, ca ring that England could Lot by any 11102.1111 l•ubmit her best and dearest interests to arbitration. We Ike at once the nob'e Viedunt's rbj c ion ; We tee plainly th! f .undation of hip , assertom, tint no coun try could be brought to submit to arbttratien. It is that no Euroie.in country in the prime nt state of things bases i s claims up di ju-tice. Lord PALMERSTON'S theory ta, Mediatim as oft,n as y,,n ph-nse, tab tr,ition never. 'Pt e difference be tween the two is wide indeed. Mitli.tion proceeds not upon right, but up di xp-di,ne3. It dtm s rot pretend to make en honest au atd, but to atr ka np a pore b e b again. It does not exa mine the toundstion of the claim, or the faircesli of the obj.ction which resists it. It merely inquires how IWe elm party will t.e con tented with, end how mica the, (Vier will concede. It go. s between the strol; atd the wink, the deter mined mei the vee'llat.ng, the bully end the victim, 'mei vsroilhes over, if it succeids, the humiliation of the one and the insolence of tie other. Mcdiat:on is what the Briti-h government hai been tr 3 it.g in so nosey et:mettles of late, with so little Suet tte and ao little honour. But med'a . ion never tucc.eede, when either patty his m 're to hope tom war than from peace. And in troohlone tine s like these, media tion is quite idle, except it he of test kind which borders on intervention, which muk , s use of threats, and which prevents war by the mediators becoming a principal in it. The French at Rome say they are mediating. so, we dare a. y, do the Itussiatm on the Danube. What Mr. COBDEN wants is to put an end to such mediation, and have to-hitration, lumded on principles of justice, in its stead. tint, rxel.ims L ad PALM EKSTON, arbitration is im possible ; no ono will accept it. He would not think of aciieptng it, even for Englat.d. And rio doubt, if we are to ineiat epee our old laws of Mali line supre meey, whe tr every vessel must lower sail to us, when we pre toad to search any yes eel on the high seas under pretext of looking for &sorters or for s Mee, when we cetabl'sh en imsgn cry blockade, and ete Oars that neutral powers shall not trade with our foes—such rights as the se we cannot rubmit to arbitration. Russia ti l t has torn asunder the trervy of Vie naa, and enslaved Poland, would most c oainly dose her ears to arbitration. Feat cc, thitt sad the young Queen of Spain to the mat miserable of human beings in order b keep up her influence in one peniusula, end which has just bomb tried Rome t t regain some it.ale Wein another, will n , ,t he ar tell of arbitration. So rt gueselojt et to a jetty, and the ruffian to a curt of ju-tate. But are we not ashamed to re e England in such a category ? As a very natural cons-quence of the admission that our deeds and our claims will not bear arbitrage, comes the doctrine that political science is a mystery which none but adep's know. Lord PALMERSTON has a horror of the uninitiated deciding upon grave political questions. These is a class and a race of augurs who monopolise poitical divinati-n, who fend the sacred chickens, and know all the /secrets of policy and diplomacy. Any other arbiters would be igno rant, and these would be dialthenest. We did not require these proofs to be aware that the establishmeet of arbitration gen rally as an inter national principle for settling dispums does indeed require other and further reformations, does require the substitution of honesty for Muchiaveliam, of content ment with one's own frr rapacity andambition. A LOUIS XIV., or a NAPOLEON would never submit to arbi trage. Nur would the conquerors of Seinde, or the re of the Punjaub. But this tells tot against arhitiat on, but ag ainst . three whoa' entire principles of coreluct are meoropatiole with publicly and fairness. ' The noble secretary, having thus proved arbi tration impossible, even in theory, proceeded to show - how utterly it bad failed in practice. With much ingenuity he laid hold of Mr. COBDEN'S question of, Why such a men as Hum- BOLDT might not arbitrate between two empires? and told in answer the story of the two geographers who differed about the p ttaticl of latitude which was to divide Canada from the Mabee. But they were not arbitrators, and they quarrelled precisely because they were not arbitrators. Toere was a frt at Reuse's Poiut, just neon the line, which the Ameri cans had fortified. But on examination, according to the common mode of fixing a parallel of lati tude, it was found to be on the British side. The English geographer said so. But the American geographer, who was like an advocate hired to support his cause, soon found some crotchet to di-pure the unwelcome truth. If both of these geographers had called in HUMBOLDT as an arbi trator, that great geographer would have &clad in a trice; and, moreover, his decision would have been - - - reepetted. Lard PALMERSTON'S only example against arbitra tion i ells thus, on the contrary,strong!y for its necessity. As to the other plea, that governments would not accept of arbitrage,—what does it prove, but the neces sity of placing not only internatioual but domestic) policy on that fo3tiog, which would make a people thenwelvce repudiate any rigbts or any interests too crocked and dishonest t 3 be submitted to arbitration, and which would make that people insist on having a government as honest and as open as itself. We expressed a sincere cl• sire that the King of PRUSSIA would succeed in getting his constitution, however oetroyed or issued of big plenary will, accepted by the princes and the people of Germany : and we persist in that desire, althooteh his Prussian MAJESTY Las by no means taken the fit and requisite steps for obtaining that general adhes:ons. He seems hitherto to hare looked merely to courts, and to manoeuvre solely for princely adhesions, forgetting altogether that the only'true and efficacious way to make pril ces accept hie constitution and his lead was to win first the acceptance of the people, and the support of pub lic opinion in Germany. In order to conciliate this public opinion the King of PRUCCIA had not only much to eh, bat to undo. Ile cannot but be cJneciona that having 113 often broken his word and re-interpret d his pro misee about eanotttotions, Germane have on lcerned to put trust in him. Wheo, theretve, FRFDEIIICK WILLIAM came once more forward with a I.beisl constitution for Germany, he ought to have surrounded himself by such coune'llors as Germans could trust. Instead of the BRANDIENBEROS and the MANTEURPELs, the new Caesar ought to have employed p th re e te C r A sO P t il his kU rO SE y N ai S waolvridustatebelgulNarcK:sateesasofthliroteyakr- THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, JUNE 13, 1849. Mr. URQUHART felt embarrassed with regard to his asesadeont, by the tact that the bon. gentleman (Mr. Cob- den) had union d the dimensi..ne of his woreal. and shade d dowel his benefits, end that be had also signally felled io showing by what miens hie objet might be Of cod. The hon. member seemed completely in the dark, both as to the goatees , of natio, a and the character of men. Mr. HOBEIOUSE.said, he should give his most earnest rapport t.r the m- tine of .he hon. member for the West Riding. If the pr, pollon were impracticable at the pre sent moment, it was at all events a step in the right din chin, and as such ought to be firmly pursued and earn/ally en. couraged. Most rejoiced should he be to see the scheme of the geed king [leafy of Francs caread out by the esteblishm,nt of a toner. to of r ati 0 .. to do right between the betimes by jest and impartial athitrador, eanorciog that orlitratioa, where necessary, by their eunbilied and resist. Ima power. (Hero, howl Viscount PALMERSTON begged to enure the boa. member for the West Riding that, in opposing his noels 'inn, he Intended no sort of diartowet tiwaral. himself, toe wards the statements and views he had put 'orb, or towards this of whom he use on this "'cession the mutt. He fully agreed with the honourable gen 1 man in attaching the greatest pose ble v ilea to taco, in entert doing the greatest dislike, the utmost horror, for war and ite acconsuoi vents. (Hear, bear.) But while he thoroughly admitted the proposition that in Erglawl there was a *event love of peace, an anxious and steady de nse to maintain it, and while he was foliy &dentin that this fact should be well unieretood at home and abroad, he was .t the same time anxious to guard martinet anything like en impression here or , Isewhere, that the manly spit tof Eng land was dead within her—(hear, hear)—that Es elar d wee w t ready, now u ever, to repel sogrowino, to repent bee miss, to vindicate injury, to assert h.r ri_ht—(h.ne, h eos )—. he be conceived that t arising would be so Ilk. ly to im..ull oar peace as the diffusion of an idea among foreign native, that we had so ri ot,d an aversion to war tt at we would 'abseil to any indienits, to any injury, rather than resort to re, (Hear, bear.) It was on this wireiple that he die. seated from the condemnation passed by his honourable *load on the supplies for military Jolene, wh:ch had been seer d up by the present and the piece ing crovernment in our arsenals. Ha agreed fully with those who ill , ugh' it • toeless expenditure of pub'ie money to maintsin, during peace, a number amts. fee ether our sea or our land erre wee, beyond that limit which the actual orrice of the catuatry demanded—(bear, Wool—but he could not agree ai h his bon. trend in organ in* the rime tttttt role to these warlike stores which soul I not his collected at short woice.an4 our want of which, if ogee kn.. n to foreign pow.u, m i g ht in itself operate Man unit. meat, es a temptation to ogr, &- don, and as as occasion of that war which ail in that house alike desired to avert. (Hear.) The proposition i self of his hon friend seemed to him in the existing condition of hu manity, altogether import' able. The hon. member for Lin coln sad it would be very desirable to establish a convect of sovereigns, to set invariably on principle• of per'eet justice, ' awl wisd..m, and impart ialay, which should always give ridlat end equitable el, eidons, mad which should have force to ' sem el acquiercenc• in its judgments. No doubt this wile a 'very desirable cos summation to stain; but, unfortu nately, the world had not yet come to the happy con ditios of hums , ity es twist to his 1 on. friend's views. Indeed wore all these powers perfectly wise, just, impartial, aid disinterested. obviously no necessity would arise for arbi. elation et all. While nation., however, continued subject to rivalries, to jeslusies, to confining interests, to too Wick in them is taint ambilon, in holividuals coo, Mastless, he very much doubt, d the efficacy of relying upon arbitration. Torre was certainly a eau in which this anew had submitted a nations, quiet' , n to the arbitration of a third parry, hut the re nit had not been particularly favourable to the views of his hoe. friend. ileitis the treaty of Ghent, the dispute as to the hounTaries of Maine and New Brenswiek was ref. rod. after infinite preliminary negotiations and coot P. to the Ring of the Netherlands, who, after 'nu amid. ration. gave his award to what purpose? Why, the United States, not finding the award suit tint it norms as to the laws of reference, refuse I to en apt it, and the matter win placed in a were! audition than before; ao much so, indeed, that the only thing which pre vented the arbitration from briaeino about a war between the two toustries was the intense desire of both Befriend end the United States to avoid a recourse to arms. (Hear, hear. His boa. &iota wady steered clear of that, and p Most a commissioner should be appointed. What be under: stood to be the proposition of his hon. friend—and if he wee in mar he was open to correction—was, that a treaty should be entered into between the several nations by whisk they engseed, in tee event of any differ. nee taking gime between them, that each government rhoole 'Towne elimmissioreers of its own to discuss the Bulled in dispute, and thee each should join in appolatiog a third party, wbe about I be a man of learning or science, and by whose arbi tration the qu , sti..n iu dispwes thoeld be s tiled. If, as ha (Lewd Palmerston) thought was the we, it was ohjentionable to commit the inliireeiS of a great nation to the decision of • rival raw, r, his ohjsction tt submitting such questions to arbitrati .n was vastly increased when it weapon posed to substitute for a recognised government some Ovate and irresporsibls individual as the &Oilier, as the pursuit, of private individuals did not usually qualify them for such a task. His hon. friend had asserted, that under the present systson the European goveranwnts did give to nego tiators those powers which he claimed foe arbitrators, and that Lard Ashburton had been sent out to Muria', end URI Castlereagh to Vienna, armed with pier ary powers. But Lord Castlereagh acted also as Secretary of State; and when he came home, and was called upon to defend his eonduct at Vienna, which he did with the manly ',nerve tbst be pos sessed, he did so in the words of Caesar, "I was there— what I did I did op my own responsibility." But his hon. friend woe mistaken in one material feet, for it wee not true that aa envoy had fail power to bind his goverment to his arts or to .page for his thermion's signature to a treaty. Quite the contrary. Every envoy had his special instructions, and in so far to he egad up to them his government WAS bound by his ant,. But the mow matt be an imp sted his it structions, he was at the energy of his government, which was at liberty to repudiate or to ape prove of his acts ; and he begged to vended his hon. Mend I that no treaty was valid until ratified by the severeint—s form expressly invented to guard against the. indiserstion of an envoy. His hon. friend bad mentioned several eases of international arbitratioa, but they were not woes in which mediation wee resorted to. The instances cited by hie hon. friend were those of the dis pu'• between Great Britain and Russia respecting the Vixen, the cue of the Oregon territ"ry, and the dispute respecting the ship Caroline. The first was settled by amicable mormponienes between the two governments. The second was disposed of by the ordinary mesas of auto s. don by envoys, and the case of the Caroline was one in which his host. hiendts spscific would have hilted, for the question was ore with a meal state, and not en. which the government of the United States bad power to dispose of. It was, be readily admitted, moat dssinble that in NMI of international disputes some third uniaterested party should be c illtd in to arbitrate between the contend ing powers, inst. ad of their goirg to war. But the present purities of governments was favourable to that mode o f so t ling disputes—berause, when such occurred the novernments did not at once order out their fleet, cad send their armies into the field, bet they Mated their wrongs, and correnpoodimee, together with logo- I lotions, ensued, which endured for a long time before the Motile were in a position to proceed to actual honilitiei. He himself had frequently been held up to ridicule, end he Mow wat irked for, baving preferred the course of mediation to warfare. But be had slways felt very easy under sash reproaches—(bear)—Lecause, at all events, the course he had talon showed the goo Itiri I of the British government to cards the prevention of 'bloodshed. His hen. friend had remarked,- with welt truth and justice, that althoeigh it as true ` blood was now beteg shed in Be rip*, still itt was not spilt in internaei gal war• f do, . save in an instanco whore an intervention had takes plea. (Load cries of " lieu, hear".) The greatest porting of the blood that had bees shed wee to domestic' warfare. That fact deserved serious attention, fur it w.s a proof of the advanced civilisation of Hum, as well of the various guernmeets as of the mums; f or hod the events now taking Vase on the continent metered half a oratory ego then would not have bun the variety of civil wen, but all Europa would have been eisoilphed in • gee rural international warfare of states leagued t either against states. (Heat, hear.) For the reasons he had dated, be could ant agree in the motion of his hoe. 'deed At the same time he should be so. rr to suet it in a way to negative the principle on which it was founded. (Hear.) He should, therefore, Lot propose a direct negative t. the moti , though thit was the proper way of meeting it. The previous question Lid not apply to the present case; me vertheless he should adopt that c mesa, as it would susses' his purpose, aid, in sitting down, he begged te move as an amendment that the 13 .ser do put the yeti ins (Hear, bear.) Mr. M. GIBSON said that the noble lord in his elude, remarks had shown much less hostility to the motion than in the earlier parts at be speech he a manif steel. lie ears (need to having Mt a title alarm when be heard the noble lord (Lel re the proposal to be erroneeus in peisciels aid impruicable, bat he was relieved when tee foreign 'sere's', hal so acted as to remove the fears that he was hostile to the principle of his honouree's frieed's motion. The noble lord had not met the questkn. He had laboured like a wee , 'logged vend. To what did his ar guments amount f Merely to the assertion of what nebony denied. namely, that arbitration tad its de sear Title Br would fighting do better. Vattel was of opinion that arbi lotion was conformable to reason and nature ; and though srhinston might err, it was better to risk the es errors than trust to the chances of war. Fight ing settled no. Ling. Look at the last war with America That arose out of the claim of England to take Beiiith seam oat of American ships—and atter fighting, it terse agreed to settle the dispute by the treaty of Ghent, wherein not use word was mentioned of the original nut ject of dis pute which amnion( d the war. 8o that if the question as to the rig) t et taking Breeds sailors out of American shim Amain arum 1: might, for ought that the treaty ot Ghent and, have to be fought over again. It had been said that the awards of arbitrators could not be enforoed when given, because there was no binding power existing by which it could be made compel. ; wry. The sun• might be a id of all international law and all laterals ional treaties; and yet both were held good sae observed. His noble friend objected to ;rc spective arbi tration, but if there was one merit more that another in the preposition of his hon. friend, it was that it was prospective. (Hear, hear) The great object he had in view was to sag gut the . arbitration should Cia adopted as a mode if aetilins , national disputes by anticipation, before an angry corre spondence had taken place and the passions of contending parties had been avowed so a particular ces—when they s isle view the subject with a calm and di. pamionate consideration, and were not embarrassed by any previous angry dip'omatic negoestious (Hear, hear.) He Genf. seed it appeared to him that his hon. frised's prorosal was any. ' thing but impracticable, for it was deeply asking the hones to promulgate that general quill ion, which he c e rtainly was nut afraid to promel•ats, that the rthisioas between nations ought to he based upon maxims of of justice. (He,r, hear.) Then it that were so, and if nations could 'Nerd to regulate their conduct to e mh other upon those marina, he saw no objection that could be enter- Weed for one moment against its system of arbitrati or bat if, on the idler hand, it were the object of nations to endertoks wars of agerendieenten . and conquest, whe h bad nothing to do with right, rune or jades, then, belied, he alt odd doubt whether it woul d be possible to gui s suck rslsti .ns by the arbitration saggestee by his hoe. friend. Prepares]. however, as he was to in detain that 1 pr per na tional poicy was totally apart from such views, and that the happiness and strength o' the teatime was not erne aseil by meisi schema of eouqe. st, le was not ereid, as an Englehmate that any nations.' quid:on fa wheh this country might be interested stout be tubmi tee to arbi motors, who, he had no doubt, would seal: the question at issue on principles of international law, founded tie maxims of universal justice. (Hear) Bat this was the • itficolty ; for his noble friend seemed to think that there might be questions which were not to be settled by an appeal to jut sea; and, if we looked hock to the wars which this emu try had teeter:Aso, we might perhaps see some reason for such an apprehension. Nothing, Indeed, could be. more humili ating tone than to think bow att. sly vain was all that long war, entirele of our own se-king, with Trace',. Oei :ion remained lid the same, and a I the efforts we had futile to coerce opiniee proved windy futile. (Near, bear.) The right hon. gentlemen at the head of the Board of Control had esteem'. od the house not long Pince with a recites of the heroin deeds of oar generals sad Udine in India. Let the house heir a letter on the other aide of the qu e•i n, written by en officer, dated" February, 1849, 0 1 Gil bert's camp:" Up to this time net a single shot had been find from the village, :=llthe troop had been up to within musket range de. It 0 all appearance empty. Suddenly. lust a the two guns bad get ho the left of It, it seemed to spring Into lift. Front every wall and lest. from thousands of loepholes, from the tops of the bowel/ and teem den tta c ntre, volleys of musketry were poured tit the Ilse : it la a wonder the two coeirmnl - c were not exadhilated, which they would have be u had not the whole line advanced to Unknown. Fordyce's her remaining guar went past our right at • gallop owl unlimbered, and had scarcely tow to pour to one round of grape, • hen we were past Ms wale. I looked at the village; it seemed titre, and our men catching sight of the heads above the mils poured to a volley and rushed on. The left wing of our regiment came on the village, but fend there was a deep dish in front full of water. Refuse you could say Jack Robinson, Ridge, Lobs, and No. 7 came round to our Mae, and were over the walls in a second. There were upw ores of 3,000 men in this village; sail s is soon as they saw our men on the wads, they turned to run, but their cumbers stopped them, for the streets were very narrow, and there were horse and fo it mixed lip toember ; es our men had nothing to do but g t upon the walls and shot them like awe. Jast then Boyd was struck by a round aim. Intim inside of his leg. which made blm etch fur a moment. He, however, was assisted on to the top of a how by Sergeant Long; and be telh me he n rer way h eve imagined such a sight as he then saw. Ihe enemy were to thousands trying to escape, and our men knocking them over like dogs. 1 heir own gunk as roan as they saw our men in the village, opened upon It, not waning to care much about their DIM MOO& Floyd tells me there wea one vard which wee fail of men, home and foot, and there was only • malt door for them to get out of. vrtikh was blocked up by one of their men failing down ht it. Our men got round the walls and kilted almost every mat in it. • • • • The most heart-rending sight of the day was one I witnessed In a tent I entered. Tune on the groued, bleeding to eeeee, lay a young mother. Her leg bad been carried olf by a round shot, and the lagged stump protruded Ina shortly manner through Hui mangled d eh. She held a baby to her brew, and, ea she bent eon it with maternal anxiety, all her thoughts seemed to be ot her child. She appeared totally regardless of the agony she must have been cuff ring, and to think of nothing but the poor infant, which was drawing its nourishment from her failing breast. Thom were some of the scenes which were wioessed as those fields of glory, but which were never menet ned when they were celled upon to vote thanks to the died'. guished geared' end ',Seen engegel—against whom he brought no charge, because they only performed their duty, though he arraigned the system which made it necessary to !Dille! Jo those tarrble transit:time. (Hear.) He w old roc .nassend two things to be done with the view of lest- ning the inducement. to wee. In the find place, hewoubt ab .lie the spores of privateering—a system which, whilst is had tended to =eke war po oder amongst many parties in this country, was nothing lies that piracy of the v. ry worst de • criptien. (Hear.) It was a system of ibe geese st robbery in gangs ; and he dee/area his c macientious belief that no de. scripe rte of roebeey for which we executed a mm upon the public gallows exceeded in atrocity that system of privateer. tog. Again, he would abelish the system of prig -mo ey (hear) —f. rhe believed that that also was a kraut induce ment to war. (Hear, hear.) It there had existed a better understanding in the world or dm true principles which ought to regulate the conduct of nations to each ether, we aheuld net have witneesel the recent expeditien of France to It. m , —an expedition with which he was elect to hear from his noble friend the government of this country had no "'m eads,. (Hear, hear.) We had been suspected of having given woe sanction, direct or indirect, through ear govern meet to that ezudition—staturally so, from tho persevering calumnies which have been east upon M. Mazsint and the Reuse triumvirate by tome portion of the public press ; and he ]Me nd rejoiced te hear the dishnet denial front his noble of any participation in that affair. /I • had read those calumnies against the de facto government of Rome, which he ropected, with indignant n, knowing many of the statements to be utterly without fade datiote (Hear, bear.) The right boa. gentleman eon chided by tanking the house for the patience with which they had listeued to what he must admit had been a some weatdiscuraise speech. (Hear, hear.) Mr. ROEBUCK. The bon, member for Manchester comaenced his speech by saying that he was exceedingly awry the noble lord oppoette had moved the previous ques tioners the proposition of the hon. member opposite ; i am sorry also that the noble lord had so concluded his speech, but the hoe. member for Mouthed , ' mut permit me to say, that if he was sorry at the conclusion of the noble lord's speeds, I was exarediagly grieved to hear the speech et the hon. gentleman from the bovine*. There was nothing la that speech that in say way whatever sasisted the great prin ciple of my hon. Mend opposite; there was a undlnese, a laden/se, in the whole view which the hon. member f r Manchester took which was not in accordance with the large end general philanthropy wheel' has given rose to the proposition of the hon. member for the West Riding. Amongst the many epeecbes to which I have lietesed liament—l may it witeout the least desire to flatter the no b le lord—to none have I listened with such unmixed pleuure as do the speech of the noble lord him. calf. I do not approve of the honourable member for Blanchester giving us an exhibition as he would have done is Rawer hall of the dangers and horrors of war, pointing oat how a woman suffered, red how a child at her breast suffered misery. Why, sir, we all acknowledre the misery I of war. The hon. 'umber for the West Riding says there are many difilcuhies, many disputes that , arts between nations. Now let us, standing on the very vanguard of civilised nations, riy to the rest el leaden I, we are willing to forego all the advantages which our gnat strength gives us; we are willies to forego all the greet and necessary superiorief which our power and skill confer upon us ; we, who of all j the nations on the earth, in the present state of the. know ledge ot manit:ne, may be considered to be mat free from assault, with all our strength and power, are the first to forego all these advsetapes, and to ask mankind to ee•tle by an appeal to reason and to entirely disinterested putts say question that may aria between us and other nations. That is the sole prorsition of my hon. friend. And that is met by the noble lora. He sap, " I feel the streegth Slow proposition. I acknowledee the value cf the pin Wide which you surport, bat I think there is danger with just see how respect to our interests, end therefor- I do not negative your proposition"—and thee, the noble lord proceeded to do teat which he will permit me to say, I have never seen don* in this house, and never known dens in the"history of this bones, bat ander circumstauces I. whisk persons who have moved the previous co Rota hays heen a shamed elf putting the quea'ion. ( " N0,,, from Lend Pa)raerston.) What is the meaning of the pre vious wiestOn It ales to the house, this gars eon in reality is tine, the principle which you affirm le true, (and the noble lord felt this difilaalty whim he made the explanation) but title is hardly applicable, and I am going to move the pre vionc quadion. The previous question adosi:s the prim eller but soya this as not the prop-r time to affirm it ; and that is the meaning of the previous question. Let us :appeal to what has brae done by nrinkintl. The noble lord knows as well as I do, that the initials of Greece, when they went to war and tro.k prisoners, killed them, and if soy tne had gone to the people of Athens, and said, let as do away with this killing of prisoners, at us treat them with the consideration of our own citisens, he would have been hooted by the assembled citizens of Athens. We bare gone on from that time to the present, softening down horrible cruelties, and of this 19th cotton, we have arrived at • mete of civillation that would have been a perfect miracle anto•gst the most civilise) notions of antiquity. Is that any Nunn why we shoald not so one step further? Every step in advancement of tivilioa - ion is a rep towards the arneltivatioe of 'mankind. Between nations in • rata of very nearly equal civilisation you may adopt such a proposal es the pres-nt ; bat when the hon. neither f-r Ida,checer introduces India re a proof of the cruelty in war, and to in cline us to adopt this rale because tf the miseries of the Puojaub, I laugh at the argument; it has notning to do with the qa.stion—it dota not touch the propotitins of the bon. member fur the West Riding. I do hope that the nations of Europe and Alli.tiQS may come to be united in melt • bend o: clothed Christian people as shall hereafter admit • prlresitlon like the presort; and all I ask of t e noble 1 rd florid I ask of r..is noble lord at the head of her Maks' y's councils—is to give the sanction of his ..pinion that this, it it c.uld be adopted, was • striae mode of settling the disputes or nation-. (Hear, hear) I feel thtt by our unhappy nature we are, of necem;tr, made the ashjects of war. It is riot I who rp. ak sow, but the House of Commons speaks throuilt the humble individual who addresses you. If it had gc•-.lt Garth that an hon. norm. her, representing a large and influenttal c insitueney, had pr Twe 1 to the nation • ci.l ined and rational method of sr. ranging it disputes, end that that had been sancionrd by the ct i r men of the nvion, s-lected to be tin.' head of the commits of the country. can we hide from ourselves tk tt such a pro,oisition. so supported, would have been • moral Imam to the now encumbered, contused, and mi *treble people or Europe, such as no other Howe of Commons rould present ? Toe noble :out has lost that glnrioatopportunity. Mr. M. MUMS said the great eenomeoon of this even ing would be the debits itself. It wool, go forth to the world that this house had been for the first time occupied with such a subject. The hon. member for tibia 1,1 had said that he world rums this was precisely the time foe making ' this prors lion, but he rad not succeeded in so doing. - - Mr. HUMS said that his noble friend admitted his en it • concurrence in the prieeip e of the revolution, and believed that benefit w. u'd arise from the n xpression a in dividual opinion in that house in favour or that principle. But, if that were se, how much mare important would it be to the world generally 'f the y had the sanction of her Mn. jury's ministers sad the Hoene of Commons unabimously el v ers; din raven• of his hos final's revolution, mad which after the erech of the noble lord In f event of the principle, they ought to have. (Hear.) He (Mr. *me)ting greatly permed that this debt', had n place, because of the I dee:ler:ten made by the noble lord, and which he hoped would be convoyee to every part cf the habitable globe —(hear, hear)—as ealcutated et ones to remove the impres sion that very generally prevailed that the noble lord was more disposed to load e eel and melts enmity than t., promote peace. (Hear, hear.) They had now the avowal of the noble lord himself that be had empi•oed the power of his office to promo fria tidal" to sett. din utto, and to preset t war—(a 1 -I—and he (Mr. Hoene) Wee, therefore, surprised that the noble lord in the example he could give to other power", Gould !or a moment hesitate to give lace to the principle he I took pride to himself for promoting. He was very glad to hear that Berope sad tiro nth re of Ranee were now more dispersed to lists. to n aeon and the priemples of justice than in format. days. Toe in erenee be drew from that was that standing as we did es the enviable paella of being in no danger from iuva,ien, we were the very country that ought to set the example of Imeanina the incentives to war, by 'amnia( our ware @Wiliam at, (Hear.) He would exemplify his idea upon that point In I rel 4, when a trifling dispute arose between an Replisinman holding the joint situation of missionary sad consul and a French naval *Rime; invead of settling it by a commissinn of arbitration, r by mediation as paps el by his hon. friend's resolution, instead of Banish and Freech meeting eoreially mid quietly 'equine the dispute, the First Lerd of the Treasury came down to that house, and declared that it wee necessary to increase our aaval force because the Fri neh reel increased desire; argil accordingly an expecet of nearly 1,000 0.01. was Jemmied in order to fortify the whole tomb eastern coast el England though feu of that detente not M o nt amicably sett' d If his him friend's resolutien lief been passed before that time, they might have availed all that . :penes. Toe Sneretery of the Adnimity, too, upon that mentos, defended the 'meet of the estimates, upon the erro neous ground of b ens prepared for war. We had actually prepared for war, and by tea. prersr.•s in rinked a vim; which sisk, and the expense it lammed. teight have been Receded if the cyst( m proposed by his lien. fr., ad had then been in opmerion. Take the cue of the lei fired States. About 1,000,0001. wrs added to the naval expense in consequence of the thrum held out on the as jest of the disputed 'tory. Dunhill a long parliamentary lite that was the only oecuion upon which h e ever approv• d of the ' preposterous armament required by the government of this country, end teen moons= stied by the right hon. baron, t the member for Taniworth. H., did se bec suns he c inceieed there was a diayoeition on the part of America to bully and trample on us, and that th- only way to meet that the o item was by the measure of the right hon. baronet. But were lewd Ashburton was rent out as a comminsioner, he, with Ht. Webster, settled the dispute; and ea prsineworthy did he think his conduct, that, in opposition to the opinion of the minister of the day, he moved that the thanks of the house he given to him, because he thought they sloe!d hen li thos, who promoted peace as well as these who suecassfelly meselucted • war. In the course of this titbete there had been no argument whatever against the motion; and he conceived the terms, nt in its favour would e nvinee the public at large of the immense evil inflicted on the country by war. (Hoar.) Lord J. RU ' , SELL said he had hoped that the epee ch of I his noble frivol (Pialmerstn) had been so clear and a xplicit ea this suejeet, that his amtiments would hay been liable to no minoonstiaction ; but these who had followed him, instead of answering his arguments, no ederresing theraselm a to his objections, had totally meconceived the nature of those ob jections, and the purport of the motion before the have. Hie right hon. friend the member for Munch atm (Mr. Gibson) hal thought it necessary to state his opinions at large with teepees to the evils of war. Oa that point there was no questien whatever in the house. (Cheers.) No one steal up to say that war ass good in itself, that blood shed seas a blessing to the coutory, er the taxes it necessi tated • benefit to the community. (Hear, hear.) Thn fe. fore the greater part of tee speech of the riglit hon. gentle man WAS not applicable to the question. His hon. (Tien / who bad last spoken, like rise moomaivieg the question before the house, said the queetion was, whether war ought to be prevent& by arbitration or II negotiation. That was not the question, for on that also the house was agreed. He might refer to the 'eatery of the present generation, in proof of the assertion that they had s anteevoured to avoid war chi, fly by negotiation, which, however, was not the subject of the maim, or the question uefore the house. The hose member for Middlesex seemed to charge some I members of the house with having instigated the war o' 1793, and he was not sure whether he did not charge them with having had some part in the American war. 'Laueloer.) But the different governments which bad toe& eded each other in the present generation were remarkably free from blame on the ground of incurring war. (Hear, hear.) L t the house consider the various insper.ant questions ey had had pending with the great and powerful nation of the world. There was the question of the Vixen, with respect to Russia; the questions relating to the north eastern boundary, and Or. got, and the burning of the Caroline, with respect tothe United States; the question with regard to Syria, and that known se the Pritchard queetion, with France. All these had been questions of exceeding peril in them selves, some of them exciting great popular feeling both in this country and other onions, and yet, under the ' ifferent governments that hart succeeded each other, without saying that one was more pacific AT move ineli wad te war than another, throe questions bad been met, dismayed, and decided, the danger of war had been averted, and amicable relations restored with the nations with whom we were then in con test. This was a proof, in the first piece. that the govern ment did not require any lesson from the hour* as to the necessity, the humanity, or the policy of preserving pesos— (Hear, hear)—in the next place, it so happened in almost all these eases, that peace had bees preserved, not by the method of arbitration, but by the old method of negotietirg directly with the powers concerned. (Hear, hear.). Lo,d Ashburton wee net a commissioner, according to the mode of arberatioa ; he was a negotiator sent with power from this ountry; he negotiated in the ordinary way with Mr. Webster; and by a molar treaty, signed by them, without the appointment of any umpire or arbitrator, the matter had been settled. (Hear, hear.) The first appearance of this question was, that it weasel necessary to come to a decision as to any new mode of settling quarrels between this and other nation., so many ditputem baying already been settled which seamed to contain the seeds of war. (Hear.) The motion asked her Mejesty to direct her foreign secretary to enter ins) communication with foreign powers for the establishment of treaties of arbitra tion. It was not • general resolution, or a aeneral tepees- sion of pacific desires, not a visionary or utopian, but a prac tical question, whether it was desirable that the Queen Monti immediately direct each treaties to be mowed to foreign nations. Had the government aessoted to the mo tine, they must have transmitted to forams cowers& proposal that every Nome misunderstanding should be set ltd by the appointment of arbitrators. Not being prepared to do this, his noble friend, for the purpose of preventing any miscon struction of his motives, had thought it better that the house should not come to any decision on the motion, end had, therefore, moved the previous quad , n. For his part, be did not believe the mede proposed would be better than the one now in use. (Hear, hear.) Suppotinn any disputed matter could net be arranged by direct negate done, nations always had it in their power to refer te arbitrators, gin log them power to choose an umpire. And that was a course which it Might be very fit to pursue ; for there were some questions intricate and difficult in themselves upon which neither potty was willing to give way, hue upon which another party might give way Withaut any sacrifice of the honour or vital interests of the country. Oa the other ' hand, there were questions which could not well or safely be submitted to an arbitrator, questions Min/Wine the dearest interests, the honour and the safety of a country, which the force of public opinion would erevent any government from submitting to arberetion. (lln ar.) The invesioe of Rollaud in 1814 was a reo scion as to the very existence of Holland, a , question of scab:Son and opoeseaba or the one hand, of in dependence awl deterogeed freedom oa the other, Had the or ea 010 41 :AO I P. ass 1 ill I_ u. , 7 I V