The Express. — London, England, 1849-03-09 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—TatrasDAT, MAP.= 8. The Loan CIUNCILLOS to his seat at 6 eau*. PRIVATE BUSINESS. REPORT.—Waidyli Divorce BBL • PUBLIC BUSIMS. COIIIII7TEIL-1. amendemet BM. THUD REAM ame Imiseeren; BerlMMlsm Somme Sodom Bilk PIM I lONIL—RI Eel 111=WILLLS, teen sane_ Miss el Wicklow sod WeetateMl WWI • :••• ••• ,-- WI st WM Imo ihe Ladd= sod LiCheiviay Haim to the same eillist.—fert IMOUGHAM, hem tho Lame Wes bawdy Antrim, dim' by m r „ m as kosia, the eheirecee. who aloft lestly be emeMMMS model landlord," bathe mem ribet.—lard STANLEY km • lain Is the rata Cana, greed Jery el Mmea. Bel i ter Mime Owes the mine east elm hoot Bantley, Me so. etrieibm of the sale el Itra.—Zed or WI NCHILIMA, tams Omar. Wry seek* the repeal el the omfgatleo et teat Si. Nome the Martyr, amithmeris„ are Bachemi relle. "1111116 110 MARIMMBT. hem *Shores wartemiemment Mum oldie& earepy.—The Doke if BUCKINGHAM Sum soar et the Berkloghemhhe Bummer hiders MIL-11== from a piece In the emote Dem% avast the syMma duittemai Mazatlan in Ireland; from Dolma, to amity Antrim, *themes Mkt. TAB PALACE COURT. Bail FORTESCUE aimed, that • humid* address be premised to her Majesty, preying that site would bi pleased to lay before their lordships' house the patent of Charles the Becood for the establishment of the Palace Court. He mimed last metion for returns on the soli e of the Pal os Court, which were now in their lordships' hands, but whisk were net of a very satis'ectory chancier. Oa the questions of stets, the officer of the court had %turned, that the mete ha mob cue varied from H 15e. to W. Now, although that sight be a /sir avenge of the amount donde, be bad reason to believe that It by no mesas repreeestod the maximum tests. The number of saes' in the Palace Court previous to the pawing of the Segall Debts Ace, averated 460, whilvt last year they amounted to '1,149, There were tour counsel and six attorneys who mastised in the court, and pur chased the right to tio so at • considerable price. Ha believed also that proms were often dragged lets the Paha Court spinet their inelinatihn. He was assime that the hose" should have the fullest information on the irabjeot, sod thuds% be had brought it before their Lord p. BROUGHAM thattight It would to better to mead this enelent ooert than 1111.1•111 it altogether. The motion was thee sowed to. BUCHINGIZAIt MINER ASSIZES. Oa the motion that Mobil be reed • third time, The Duke or BUCHINGHAM mid it was a season which would ace heads the ontalyrof Buckingham. There wag as extensive Town Hell at Backlashes, astel the re moval of the assizes to Aylesbury was nerdy a whin of the =athirst's. The Ilisrquis of LANSDOWNE said Aylesbury would be • 1.0711 convenient place than Baskiagbass. The bill was then read • third time, and the hoses ad pursed at 6 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—THORSDAT, Mims 8. The &maim took the dirt et 4 ache*. PUBLIC BUMININS. PLIRIONO.-BJLNGIIANKKOS.tamLdrman&Ire, my** he She tedespeallomd the fry ea halms settle sail i Sbne.- ▪ PLUXPTIII, fest arse Keot; Itt. B. hoe Omemenso ; 4sr. 0. DUNOOIIII4 helm $ mire met ; Kr. CAltirrlLL, ben Byrd phis sof Elpeemere et Usurper • Kr. MUNDELL PaLbill,f see ihmessee et dart wties row of lebi tbesermethm Ye bre; Kr. BOMBS P ms_of the f ermeelblei eller of am et WALlthiv, bra Mew hos theme Inform ✓ef derseltre• ; b. SILL. bre Wrier ; Mr. ben North Wake; lir B. BUITW, fns • pleb Is Ems; Ib.NOSOWI. ham deems la Kest; Lord JOCILTII, bon a fir Wog cam. Ignis heats of blerselbri enitrollem.-81e. J. B. ui4 ber lbeherbei, Is brae of the Miseries w— eir J. TTIIBLL., a petPlem morel be et the he. pubis rues et Chilmilid air a wawatke al the tem peuelos bedl; dr= rem he th e raper et the r01t406--i BUXTON, Irma Ibiresil Woolbelfge, hob wernorly be he al. dohs al the rebel el Brea sal Colombia tbe deve info I. its. Bie; air bon tom Meek Unihni, owl her VAllyeks.4M hat sebtrodem say be mood of toe Irimilk he • arm et oirellba by pei rsom u c li fo o mellemilisle. -he W. 1101111111 MM tae h. Paw% berg Wird sassy.-ift. 31111111 L her Wet S. L MON, Ise Immimmieny ; Ost 17 Orr Orrey, emir* he hie 1 la (beterl)llll.-Ife. ben Ile reeelloe et sr Impeeel wa 2abeet, earebblog el the nerd or dr oilloteme. zwel to lb see Is 11=r i sobellbstemlbh flot • bid roperlef So loreir• The pm& Sim Wal steed to he embrllbo om elm allibla 11111/11111 oaniazo.-os ths modem ef 11.1111111111 RT. seleted=. 9 = ll-/A111 4: wade rim 15, issi. " i megui= or wow se wombs ilreere row *wets, the widesporlftin yoree be yob, Woo^ bereeof me- Tostiem h. Mr or re ; tor I swam t poem somitted, • obolleA sad emewleW he w mere yaw; asselmee t imer 1. the phone ef heir/ Orb, orb ef Or sem yore I the astir of curoreemeed tressometellem, owl tine oftselly Wombeelef. b " : ism pried wisokst esselob emir am toes if bromperledes ea he la fey .1 Abory. 1841 shoe anawal. alsa has Kr esparto it Orr titter Asel. he wombat prom to sorefy b biome shessel fat alwasima of M Motu ea rn es S L is Amy ef.hroleh shin ableef, art the soembee el erring primes_ he bra is. smW of weed/ ibe eerel ebb Win balk W the omber Z ba seerse Mar* r our oh es toe Ist err et horesey, tor.-Lei D. MART, pereel rommor he thy et Labs poles to orb E se ho: hi le ant embribbour to dr ha My of Dmerobse, 1848 be rohe e as he se waft wohnelly rib the marl re. runs.); errs of pale emielmihe mrl chin. eillere sseteepillem yeas brae, Ines bare bees it nib elbers bobre my of h i L e ir ers rembenere bobs rob year her ler le MS Wail% nab of lie ser Yes ego, the Bum be bee bees be S metre tink ohne, ;bother eas. bred at set, w yombhossot resided, ma shear be wee rebind b he monks; teal mot he dam who boo beam sled, look fesesiel Mee herbromers fermi herbs morter bob reigmmf hob agmelmtimmob Irby Ain'Filer r pellet. Medlar rerrs of wOty et Lembo Pellee Pone tireetlem et Nallissiottaty pew, Ile. serlem 1844.)- her orb Aram 01 tbe mereepelbeerpiko, of tbe isooror of rebbries eormletee. the rime el ths presto mmil the rime tbe rrorty nermai4e orb pre, her Mite INS brain eleMbi Meese her Ike dale part rhos 'the rushy permthem Me by Ike rebefelltem bike, owl the asalr b sit , bee 1 to NIB belorie; ashy Term MOB he CIO ed 011101131,-11eres ii eke mambo of bib hell et the 'soft oiled heaver et Kambeseer r belemil.le orb her tea bre NW DM sad INS : • MY room if the =maw et Me b Whey Tem 1841, Is he Omer Itosbeere la Wool; Beam of the telel mane et the mom& boom% me =oldie dams et he bob, die of he Omit of Itzakerpse ;at I wombse eflab io time Onset of Ciamery b he lmet be lbe y 61.10844 1847,eml MI; mt. • Wee retro otter Err bee et Vie Mei b May Term, 1148, b Cart at Clemmery be him& MOTH= Of NOTIOIL-IhmemursooL-*r.I4OI4IIIILL. that fey Mr" lo all he allmorem if She bore to the WOO rad. heolkh Tam army re rem Ors IlszemeCswariv.-br. MOTET, is es =am% he sepia it eh eerreepooloro tredve to dr Wel mod ea he retlesen In the reglarat. POOR LAW ACCOUNTS. Olga. PICEELL boquired whether the eemririlarr of per laws would .ardor the mamma to mimes sad Nil.. (where mogsgswents had beea made) of oho ex- CadilAwned by Eosin is the militates,' of poor bliss& l eoloor }abbe efts milt ores withdraws im ears. = en Bea the pawky at en erroneous es of the Pe e l= Ad. Mr. BAINES could mot, said he knew the &remota:we of sea ease, say in what sooner the beard world STAMM • power In holing with it. He right, however, ob serve that the board would not coesider thee they bad say power to mopes aeon= whisk had bee* seated and mottled. NAPLES AND SICILT=THE DEBATE OF _ lie. BANK= said the home woad be aware that the debate et the review day topadmiled la a somewhat pena lise way. • divides hut limp *es as the bet gasi fies, bat is mopeostoms demi digital eateeded to the Wee et ale hielmr_ linosallisa at the noble hod (Paimenisa) remilool emieelled. Whoa the debate mai =Mid It isms his totmelloo to owe to add to the Noble hors sommdmoot woe maw Ise yeadosties et moompeoemee whisk hod pond between die GOMIS of lbo awl se Moms owl Owe dopeolmeolo h volhosese W w Isimmatha (lho oultly et mama to WI hes Weakish); _mho amiss Wad eammooloolisso ea Ile ode. wide hod mewl behoves .Ibo onemouseat mod bar elle ofthe Mai et the Two THE SLAVE TI PE.—PRIZE MONEY. „. Copt. BICE:ELL whether then wee say la fatties ea the pert et - ow alter the rale* whisk the prise saw from the °spates et slaws, se kid ems by the of 11146 wee distributed, sad whieh had . Capt. BERKELEY reified that the sada refereed le bad beta nadir fertilise far sods dna. The sashed muds amid seas be published, sad \Aked it would be sathiheleey. DIPLOMATIC Iltifst la lONII WITH SPAn!: !'mew It .. URQUHARwin T aquallis. at whish ha had Ilaraidi gars —the Pwblige, whisk ht Wooed dr was She ebb - bet's or. pa ia this essatry—tbot lho septiatbeis ebb k bat besa Mau& loam ttral i irliti re *PM of womb, Matisse had been lreapa to i oaassoisl turodesiba. ts knew hem she wale Mod la Asa Obi thee aoptiotime nay new, awl vier lbw, if they new duel. dr prep awl eanapaboas ro• to *sat etrold la bid Woo lbo hoar ? Anieher M ebbed to pal to the aside Mod ego, abetter = .... ssoaM be say stfoalsa to lay ea tho latko eerr« rmsad expleastisa rektivo te esisa of Sir .= tram Madrid boa& to ibis matey by Coast Mead ? 'flea PALHIRSTON—Witb read to She AM speedos M! bob tom pat to Wm by the boo. momble, be bad ao osimmisMisa to make to Sise Mitts, tamp That ems ebb mete raised to were sal Vac Ails the SOMA whether be was primal es lay ea tie table the esatusuaieatioas brevala by Cent bb wawa ass *at be bad sham set. (Hear, beez.) THE CONVICT emu. Liled MAliONls ill W ;liisiba — at W um. to loseroodutiiiiii litho yam 11411, 18477 awl 1•111 Wait moot to the Inhasparlallea oat dhelyllee of eceniele. Aker geow4y to the aerie takes by the llosreloey kr sho Oetsoftis Mimeo to Ws objets, the atobla lewd wet : 115 Medi haw to *ow that Bed aka ble meow des to oleo. hod *waged lb *we w the satilost d timegertadea sod assns. &dons* ao lass that Ivo Alum He wadi, however. wow Ant to what was mere iroonma•—to aseekler of moo peso deal rwerseleadaties—seta sespidai it the Man. He wished frost tk• gonsemaget sins imploration of what their Mart intestines wwo—what d is k n o m to be, sad to scase attest to Alla ben them a es to how far they wen fooparod to wain l i o la Z l ati li e S one* of this guidon. that loadloshtapav_rbt dylo Ad a.—aad all tothtt plats win awe , • Air that the Weisel, who the term of hie imprisonment should have pawed over, however the punishment migl4 modified, should not, at the teleatiost of his puniehmast. be showed to retort to the wscenes or hi. former etiata ; that he should net @gain be brought beck and thrown tit on the mother country 1 that being the principle for which be had alwayseswtenfea Iftkey examined the difficulties by whisk the rinsethet wee now beget, it would be found that they premoded orMelpally trots the orders honed by Led Joke Arai& - whenhe was Colonial Bnmeear y 1840, one Is, th e maths she the system if meat I. the Assaalim Gasoho l wed the ohm he tie wiedithe abelisiso of twarpoelailm allemether, se he as New Sou th Weise ors asennied. the eltha Woe the ellewwwae dm of membie is the balks sal at heap. sad so great was the mil bed te result fern this arraesseasat, that he bad hit it te be his duty ia 1841 to same • resided" to peva" the isursome ef mboners in the hulks, whisk re esiatim, although opened by the government, was armed by the hems. Oa a show of 'manumit talthe limos Lord Stanley beams padcai.l, and Sir J. drama home esereury, sad seder their administration they octal ea the raelatiou Mike lee" and the number of amulets in the Who weasel therseted, but the omasquence was a disaster is tatatbar Ant*" fee the somber in Van Diemen's Land heil bees immassill immensely. Subeequendy, cm Mr. Gladiseue's main* into office, in coaaquenes a( all samba sate acmes the sera having pas to Van Diesames sad Norfolk Mad, that right hon. gentleman, on re asides esafielate bath Van Di mea'a Land on that bead, tam It the semthaba that it was neemary to esspeed teemmetatthe Imam fer two TWO. Earl Grey succeeded, on ▪ ellegle wie4lMp_ , _mad the first sap lie tank was to esmaboamedi 111. heleastieas given by Lord Smiley and sesthithel 311 e, Oladoione, the second being that the math aid fished to Sir W. Denham, the goveraor, that trimplealles lima ire mewed to Vas MOWS'S Land in teas OJIISSO whisk be comeaded, the noble earl was set p~ ii - Ohs. The aside earl also, a 1847, is a is ia as jams el Imrds, stated that la amo• the viethel shades of the system of Maskedtogelbse Mil the people of Van M ara% lend mom that as a Pledge that ermacts Arabi be go Owe seat m that 'obey. Yet it appeared fres a alma of J..., 1847, that aquae' amid@ were net M Mama out hoilvidaally, yet they . were to be seat at =at, .. I. lthat facilities towhW i em i grate w en to wh be et the 44:Wit . .01 0 SOISoi previesely la kis to Sir W. Damian. la 1646 the noblesse! sensed iii= . thata kid of passimm Am was due se Tea Die ters* Lai as a osapairatim be the great swam of ail. visa net eat; foe he stated in April of that year that the amematomt sessidered it neeseary,with a view to isereasim the popelatisa of • the easily flea thathether esamay„ that it Mirth" met meret potheipally them telatedimith crime, bet that bee ethigeme - s amid to be seat eas e ad that me llowest woad be asked to preside the leads weasossey for that purples. The berth change a aphisa ea• the part of the 'obis east was the Oat eararhieg of all, for is about a month Ammar* he departed Is.. No *maple of giving , tad emirs/ at the seselaelea that ealy a part O s f ill ar il lArl6l. voted shall go to Van DiWIMIS'II Load, and that the ameleider shed' ge _th mast calgatim ht other eassios which was set indeed tee grant of mosey at all . And with regard to the othoblitheseet at Nadi& Lewd, the amble @arra views aimed to kiss gem roiled every petal of the mamas. Tie noble lad the messeded into moans dela* relative te prism &imbibe at home, and conteaded, that from the *amasses of what had takes place Ice Paris, la Feb. MS, that prisoners shield act be set free at the 's .f el the tern of their imprisoomest in the sphere rime their edam had been committed. The practical seggratime he bad to offer wore the tail of ea improved and aaseeded mama of assignments in Van Diemea's Land, which the amble earl had pat en end to, and which he theught be •yeeefelly and adrantageously carried out— did the allay In North Australia should be re-established, mai then temoselatims te New South Wales should be re , semod. He wadi meanie by ebesming, that la his opiates sue greet muse of the snore into which @acclaim malialatere hod ism cm this select me to be foul is the feet that they all expected and desired to Bad arm parka system of • copyist discipline ; but the bests that maid be de r visual mast be fraught with ol4e dots and dillealties, as ' long as they had such an amatalatioa of criminals to pro vide for. Mr. H. HERBERT smoaded the modes. He thought it would be dimmest' if owns Irish member did net seine the very Ent opportunity that presented itself of sailing atten tion to the mate of the prams in Ireland; accustomed though the house had been for some time past to hear melmeebely woman from that unfortunate country of fa mine, dim" and death. Sir G. GREY said ha had understood the noble lord that is was oat hie blither to ask for say expiates of opinion by the low es this entiect, bat merely to Ask a stiemeat from the gmenmest of the means now adapted by them for the perinea of envies into effect senoras id trempertetion. He Swim& the ails lord fo r . giving him tie oppenanity d milky seek statement, behev* it to be most tinirik end doper that parliament should have full sad anthem inforasstlss of the memo adopted by say menthe gmemeat la the amine of that disentioa whisk me sessamily pissed is them as to the details of =y eat the swam. of tempestaties. He would Waned to &kg_ week a Mamie bat would OM say a kw were wee 'bur of inesatistency which the sift lord had t the goverment. He minty agreed wil l :Vs:fir lord as to the di/R -esides which , emonnisd this gassies t and as to the feet that Jam might perhaps he attributed to emit seseserive gmerement, owing le their having attowepted, is might be, team than it was penale to accom plish, is *min aimed at polities whim it mall ant be snaked ,• he Imiperieace bed Wadi that amemiery punish iamb, of whatever aim. mild set be serried eat is • way free ion all itastiens ; all that mil be de woe to reader these table to the least powible elgeatien, sad moduct them so that they might deter those dement Ikea the commis ion of Mae, by their improvement sad Niestedes, if possible ; sad that matraste le the bed kiwis of seekty. But the tof isessatung di cwt rest ea ON arble ha ted at the er el the Coludel-ellise ;be (812 G. Grey) folly thawed in every att whisk►lied been_ rimmed is mimes to this setter ; sad be woe set at all saint le eneserate himself from the team. baked, on each a gamin em sieteney might be a fault mil not a virtue ; Is 11111161= adherence to a "sold* yekelpie se coarse of Miss the light of rarstweo ni tert sonvitione forced en the mind by sessi of those whose opi nions were entitled to the greatest eensidera• ion. Twess ego he lad staled that the system they were was bat a tislothe mina ; that the goverment had Am milk priesigies, bat that these principles would empire to be Valhi eat with great are, usilance, and ekeessepeelles, sad that it was kapossible to say that imperial mitilimises sight sot be necestarym V it t mimed arm maims' in the details of the system. the aweenmesst leek ethee, in 1848, the fearful sad alb whisk led mks& from the system for sem ral years swim is operatics is Van Diemen's land had forced themeives on the aria of the preceding gement/at, had essayist lie aerofoil attention with a view to putting sem is thew wad had I'd to • lesimaies of transportation being deelied es ea the most imperative grounds. Thus the pre sent gousamint was called en to provide the means by which the statism of tramgertatioa should be effectively mated oat is seem other way. In May, 18411, Ste eight of les. geretlemen them at the tit he the @Maki depertment Dlr. °Wiese) bad formed the minks dist a eselaties elteaniportaiss wee absolutely mess eery ; and he was folly Mem out in his Kaiaks se r le the en si rje ld let sa rr r G a eey d ra ..11=7::- bbl most Waste metal attentien ;he bead that the details were dais meet agleam aim, that mime of the greatest nagitsie had boonwpenated maw this system, giving rise to the met yeemit Dodd and meal mils. Under these oiresmilemess be at ones pleated guilty to the charge of having awned himself in terms perhaps rather too r eas eag ra = the resumption of Inarportahon,—mesaing es it was then carried ca. The min feature of the mieme be rter by the goes with in 1847, and whisk they in s esti oa with some modifica =me that Misty panel putt/the system,—that iiikkeestkled date mesas' reel:slat of the eon t Ile wed their Meet labels prior to the period when air %seem entitled to *kis of ha m—iiwald be paused, La a distant °May, when it mid My M pealed to the evil c 4 reagregatieg together terse mama of Wei mink& who had gone dm* se poem velishresald Frail, be rediematem, MA lilelly bin that Simi were rieeitred wily amore ineweigible, bst he gamed let this oseeft ar la • Mew within testi el Ude eiestrY,where a m.t moral sittisdesse mail holed swer %W. (110.r.jtior-) rll's they hag wat todielis the sent) des bib Wee Mikes, hilliCIVI mamaemekle—mhjest, of coarse, to esseptimei cams I was to beeesd ia this matey fa speak km ors mina—the staximme tussles to be ll moths, bah maskg la gismo& isle. six le !Mahe zesathe: Hereto Mist le sweet eseerenswas Immessiss whisk misled la mew imehers, that the goverment had wear to the 'sulkies that the system of separate had tillea—dutt it was ea exploded E ll ett the emirate cells was being de sad the walk thrown down, m as to allow the yekoms to sampeple tote way they used to do before the Manisa epsilons& was ailed. the maim. No-' thing eeeld be Mee meeneens thus tide Mirs.Zle4 11"0 Ivey mm rm. had ailed le his an derived ken the smemeir ili t=sissa minimal with the of the mama OW assalry, visiting jestises,:a nt mil easm—thei the Nelms of m eats sale eat te7t a gasse in lie adatierirs,- . Sea, mil to them dais ~ ho thmeght mumtil la be opeatiss, me the most had meld I , =, belt he the t and the relimatien etas , bear. The Pentawits ismesiniesem stated, is report, that" The result dal mita mei me re tie sepeistlea of see primer km waelhar is (haltord aids's. the semi bads es whisk a be with my lege of re sucte=s a i h dh =th", =kg est smite it woe le mare sailed le provide fir trim= =afiawhisk amid the mink ennies. 11116 these meantime they deabteel e rt reargable ademiege meld malt tem this in. et eigarels esalaement, whilst it we ems to se elb= mi thil 111 set apply Se say ether nide of kwi mmerit thr Pitt& n• ism *it% he Wilma. me semy ether vellums moment with the added Ima teetimeies bed )111 the senvidien es ble obi seat the sigmas yam et beilamman was a razge n alashise a t ea lbed se ether meessed the semi 11, Sad feelnia. An Is= =bis W hem pet lie his l e sy a gsallemen Mesieelly emedent i ttit the sp athe el the priably the *milk of see if Se pietas ; sod l iriamphlet he meld nommuld le li thos seals of the sable lord. Here the light hem bassi read THE. EXPRESS, FIOPAY'RVENING. MARCH. 9, 1840. sewed eralfflea Jima Oo pimehle. will*" swami on aides Way irloneelle to the spas et eeperate seigansiffig. Hemo, he observed, Win reformatory elmseter el the system suet depend in a great mem% an the character of the 10%4 and indigious inixrue by,Wltich it was moussairod. Staterooms had been put Wards' Metedt end in seen of the public %pen, %pre , meting that the prisms who wen subjected to separate conlainient were placed in comfortable end well-ventilated e gi s ok s e they were salted, sad that them prisons were altogether very atmetive=. _e. Hear " and laughter.) All thie he utterly db The reprarted applications whisk be roosived from primate for the scramestation of the season they were undergoing convinced his that the holatioa, which was an morale part of the senteme, dared it moot hams sad most painful—so basins and se Clagthat it was edam thought necessary.% imam it lamer they LI mantra. (Hear, hear.) Some hear pr Memo thewast that say attempt at reforodag triads& was mot hordes. Certainly, the experience they had had Of the conduct of taro parties who had game out to the edema from those ahem when the espres system was softwood lad to the bald that • great moral dance had rim' over a large amain of them. This was essilresed by aso cent rapes of the Pectonville samminioners. At pram& indopoodist of the NO espies sells in Millipeak, whisk might he made avafla fore pessorn for shoe ems for • kw =Who, there was am asammodatioa for and, 1,9* includrap Porteaville, and awing of the prises at Wes add. end NU. ;Mika siessinedation in the prisms Is other comae and heeanam„ whisk. rabbet to the visits et the is sermon of poleine.hsi hem platted at the disposal of the gramme fat themtmee alesaniag out this sAM it ta daseliell at this pia at la sentence was cap able ystem et aledement, so ho ihmal Mated be, a smeller somber et idle Mai re a r the pops Thar mond parties of the rpiwas Oa d p mel labour upon paha works. plestiesi4 wee Mt primed to exprem • deeded e *Wars this mead should be pasted ha dais =is the missies' this were arrameats ammi or weight an hetlsidea. Mr. Latrobe, late maw of Vaa Diana's Lug, taught there would be imemio 11114 vantage in laving dais stage passed, not la a colony at a pee dames from this massy. es Van Diamesa land, be either at bens, aria see of those Monies whisk Rica as wadoreee dames, sad snares inmedsate smentembrals of often is direct commniestion with the priesnarme. lam diode se Berm& and Gibraltar, whisk, with the moat dasmatsirMm. were sow imaght witida ist rra resemble distance, sad when the regalatime of thi redo .amellooidd hi strictly softwood by elesatedieses who were willingM oadmaira the daty—person of a stamp and tha maw Shout from *ma be found in Arabella. The pisio when the pone labour was now carried on was de hake is the first inatime. He did not widely differ fres Oho noble lied are to the defideneiss of the balks; be regardid them only as a temporary expedient gradually to give way to IS* lealeilohnlenta, tree, he hoped, from those oil% .01s. The ear istablishment was that of Portland ; the 'armor. ginsie et prisons, CoL Jebb, who had thread gist selsOlisa "to the subject. thought it would be free ▪ the peat objections applying to the halts; there were arrangements 'for every man having a separate sleeping apartment, though they would work to nether during the day; and there were means for elm- Wag theft to industry and goad conduct. Wittiest via taring to express any sanguine hope, he might say these wore saws pounds for hope with regard to the results et Portiond than with regard to any other similar establish ment. (Hear, hear.) At Hernando the srungemerits were it the seas charester as at Portland ; prisons were in course et areas& at both islands, to supersede the hulks. Bet.' muds sod Gibraltar were the two places when this put of the --ace would be carried out. At Gibraltar there we. net the same same of lodging the prisoners on shore, bet the amber was coeisiderably less. A most efficient offer wee at the head of the prisons then; and an excellent elasplaia bad the ears of their moral and religions biers- Om. He was not aware that any arrangement could be orespesbd at present with regard to Bermuda and Gibed tar, whisk would teed materially to improve the system. Nothing could be more striking than the contrast between the wadies and character of the prisoners at thole ass and the system which prevailed when this portion of the maw was carried out in Van Diemsn's Lend, apart, from that speriatendencre which was essential to the ell tzeit the system and where the worst characters were Imatar without any means of separation or super inlemisme. The noble lord had made an inquiry as to the probable duration of this part of the meatuses. Forme*, them gems= who soduated themselves well were entitled to tidies of leave on the expiration of half the period of their etatearo. Thu sum rile 'had bran adopted at Ha mada and subjet to this ilea, that lima whim aildstt was good would bo reheard after beratanraderyed ter • tern of years in this snood strap. He Tia n? T hs ese n z e rt r a t ; tifathseavdaliitte wouldo f e t e a; of thr u m Mena this adds country. In that view he was mistaken. Is Berm& sal Gibraltar they were employed on national works; the has cri an able-bodied convict was worth about 301. a yew ; bat as the cost of his maintenance did not erase 704., there was a dear balsam left of IW. Great imeasabses had when from the circumstance of the omiesoadiergeing done two stages of punishment being Pamir wads Mime superintendents of penal establish ments. Ammgemenie were now made for placing them miss me awe eistroUing authority, by which the ex pense wane be diminished, sod the sweet siaraWled. He now cama In the tied rouge et mahatma, that relating to maditisnal peals and Wools Of have. The noble lord laid peg dna an the eirometame of the sentemo of tramparellea net beg curial oat by the setae removal from this aorantry. The syMi that was mow would Nary out the street more effectual= the former ow Tam was $ misappreksa la the minds of ems' perms on the subject of tickets of leave. It was orappeeral that they were the same as condi tion& waits, bat dry wee ementiolly different. A person whe reads& a conditiemel midis was a free in with the =TSat he mai ad roars daring the piriod he o was transpires& If cm agony offered a heeler field he Nihau:them another, he could go Mom endear no eirconillealla add he be use back to undergo his pre vious seatimie, lades he anagiftted and was convicact or a new Mao Bet nada a ticket of leave the man maimed a convict ; he could not leave me colony to go to aantar ; he wit Woad to remain within the limited district hies, and be prepared to show himself Tiraniagistra to tel at any period. The great object Inobject isOmis tablbhing this system was to enable the convicts to support thleselves by their honest industry, and by hiring themeelves as servants in the colonies. But it was necessary to guard against the evil incident to the con viste being congregated in large masses in differeat districts, and for this paepose it wit desirable to provide • means of disradoe. he ROOM of the system depended , bided, on the facilities for diversion. He had alluded to the measures Men by Lord Grey, is order to lads.. some of the ooksies to meat to the introduction of convicts in this stage, it being absolutely nocessary, in order that the system should net break down, that too great an Inflow of convicts at this stage amid not take plus into any of the colonies. bi gmouths had been received from Sir W. Deem, that Vaa Diemen's Lod afforded ample means of arias °onsi de& to Oinvisle of this clam on their arrival. Be states in as iiespatila that a reduction of expenditure would result from the charge of system. Whilst speaking on this subject he would advert to what the noble lord said with regard to Norfolk Island. The , noble lord and some sum Mks tares am his see friend in reference to Norfolk hind if he bad read the papers relating to that matter, he mold Sad that Lord Grey had recommended some steps to be taken Is, relating at once the lumber of convicts in Norfolk bad. Bat he said that it was necessary to leave mask to the discretion of Sir W. Denies. He (Sir W. Deem) eseurred in the view of his noble friend. Under throe eh , CIIIIIKAIKSI, the number of convicts was reduced from 1,900 to 600. Lord Grey conesated to the reduction, but ha was of *Soo that Norfolk Island should hi maintained m • comfit 'statement for those who were guilty of a mead 001109 is the Manias. (Hear, hoer.) With regard to female asoviets, it was thought better that they shield se be awed la the probationary establishment in the a, bat that they shoed be put to service in the camp after their arrival He admitted that some iseassmiona aro* has the diadnithed number of convicts that had been seat aboard br the last two pan. They would now,howerair, ho able to and • larger rasa: out, bmise they would sees have logreased roams of subjecting the convicts to the per dons stages. la Portlaad dun were new 362Lefoinaji t and it weed la • few weeks be ambler of sere. Teo swabs, of calls meld Ms he hilie;d7 was sot rarin that say wick bad loess ihr say heal et Tarim enserareme of the alibied*. of mama It Seeable to ousiori 11100 Val ot =glitts swat plok te Mama .1a eeneepsenee lm it i t week tamale& there of late, theta ho o very man extant is • sheet time, hewer, their arsiogimas maid be eo far sonsisto as to enable them to relies Sae Oa fess the ammo which existed 1111/011 this at re. sms g, mom Ina welprd wh to the Irleit gash imam* the ernes was Oarreat. He believed in the stioament made by as his. somber he Bern, respecting thine psie. Bat proms ea tam pole did hot its. trees the suspension of transpedatioa, co any dirniaution is the number of per ▪ arum hens Ireland. As the home might readily sup pose, to meat Maw la the gaols is Ireland arose from the Umber of movietime oceadised by crime crig sating is the Sams seampasat ea the Miura ef the food od of p The Meeks et the Lord Liseusat bad been di rected to the select, sad hi had been to corn ridered* mhim that .abject; but, after all seas of affording relief was not in the h ea d s or the goverment. The number of prisoners radar Inaspettatioa is Ireland rose from 600, in 1846, to surly 2,000 la 1647 and 1848. The government was pro parrag a depot at Spike bland. Then were at priest 200 loodee. them and in • few days it would be capable of re wiring 800 more. It would be made available for 660. Liam at est et kat auseims, which ambled them to mead mid* to Bemanda and Gibraltar, the Irish eludes sent ahead lefts lam year amounted to 859, which was be times U. and 400 more than had been sent abroad during any as. ot the flu years pressdiag 1846. With Nand to sorer of the bilk amicts were seat to Baratide, Coplera Elliot says that I tl i ory were mit to he paled with in other convicts, that mangy of them wore only M years all, this they to be and he entreated that so mace of appearede might ho soot abroad, as the sly elle of it mild be that they maid be contaishisted by the sear meets. (Hsu, hear.) He did not attribute any blame to Se courts in helm& but aa asolatiiii amen ad takes piss there of late in the aso bar if sod thin an aeldielemal was pltri l L ier tre a sraTne momasent. Shirt of prima asommilatios in the different omega ot Ins ad. which it was the daty of the paid J• 610 S. p rov ide, es poreminint were willing to give every OM ___,_,". sass in their paw te Mies the promo ea Ike Irish pals. Bat if senteneel d lempertatiou proemial at the rate at which they did new is Ireland, he was afraid it would be impossible to led *Mies capable of receiving this large 'lbaispat: err did mass ameba sr t i r morals. (Her.) Nov with regard to edesal mesa, in Andsgesten of transportation was pesmi That sentence was sometimes sed on paeans who arrived 6C a tinte of life that they could only be a basin to the colony to which Any 'night be ant, end the abaft 1 that eame to this country with a fair claim rthe eost of maintaining such persons. In strustiefas had, therein*, been betted that the surgeons of the assent ships examine end report with regard to such persees, whether they were in a condition to beer the voy age to Australia, or whether they would be likely_ it sent there to make themselves useful to the colonis.s. The sen tences death persons as were in such a condition must be essamuted to imprisonment In this country. With regard to the recommendations of the noble lord he felt consider ably diseppointed, because he had hoped that he would have made some valuable suggestions which he mold assure him would be r. enved by the govern. mood in the spirit in which they were tendered, if asey said be carried into practice. His first recommends fled wee, that they should rer.ur to the colony of Nor th Anstrelii, which, after an expenditure of 15 0001., had been given up. That question was in an unsettled state when the mead government came into office, and they found that it was a soiree of great expense, witheat any corresponding adeologes. In the two despatches of the right hon. gentle eppit embishe (Mr. Gladstone), a great deal of din-ration had Mon lift to the governor. He believed the right boa. gen tlemen would not wish to be answerable for the success of the experiment made ha that colony. It was a new colony, nod was to consist of exiles from this country. All hope of mem for such a system depended on those °soviets finding their way into mixed socasty—(hear, hear)—in dispersing themselves and being last in general society ; and when this eoold not be done it would only entail expense to send out such exiles, and it presented no correspoading advantages. The next recommendation of the noble lord was that they should resume trasportation to New South Wales. That was a matter under consideration. A comber of tickets of leave had been sent to that colony an the understanding that a amber of free emigrants should he sent there, and what wee more valuable, a part la money which these easiest, sand oat of their wages go to repay the cost of their conveyance to the colony. ersuld operate as 'a stimulus to induetry, and the many which they paid would be applied to loomoto fres °at clan. The third recommendation of the noble lord was osionsent should be reamed in Van Diemee's land. • discretionary power was given to the government amain we tuber of convicts to the coloniets. That greatdidisidties and denser; complains were made ttope* Jag the sue, sad token imputations were cast on the, govermasegeoresting the distribaden of the convicts. The eaten was, be thought justly, donenneed by a parlionei toy amminise is 1888 r a system of slavery, which won Is.. tent with the free government of England. (Hear,' beer.) He ht there wee a peat advantage in re taining the eat of transportation itself—(hear, hear) ; he hoped it would be possible with the modification now introduced to maintain it. Bat be was sure if they were to retain it they must net multiply convictions indefinitely. (Hear, hear.) If th ey multiplied to a great extent the number of sentences of =tsties, it would create on discontent the part of the . (Hear, bear.) If the number was small, the eenvlets might be usefully employed as free labourers in the colonies In which labour was so much sought for. They were bound not only to consider their own interests, but the 1 interests of the colonies. (Hear, hear.) He trusted that it would be possible to carry out the system so as to combise the interests of both, and the best way of Orating that object was to let the system work quietly till it could be judged of by its effects. (Heir, hear.) However haportaat and necessary such discussions as the pres rat, they still created addition' embarrassment with respect to the colonies. The more silently they:worked the better. It was better that the colonists should judge by the result, rather than alas them beforehand, and therefore he considered it desirable that the government should be left a Neeretion in working out the details. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME said that It would be most desirable that the hems should be informed of any measures Wren in respect to this important subject during the year before it was dis owned is the house. He was muck pleased that the right hoe. gentleman had been obliged to admit that the noble lord at the bead of the government, and lord Grey, had emu to rash and lusty conclusions on this matter. He essisidered the ever-varying manner in which they treated their convicts was very unfortunate. He differed front the right honourable gentleman in thinking - that they had made a useful reform in their prisons here. Pentonville had been built at a great cost, and the prisoners there cost three times more than the ordinary amount of maintaining prisoners. Some system should be adopted. He thought there was ample time for determining whether the silent or separate system should be adopted. He ooasidered that throe who were sentenced to trans; ()dation should be sent ea soon se possible out of the country, and that it was a bad system to be employing prisoners in making mate and such trifliag things. His opinion was, that every attempt at reforming the convict at hone would be fruitless, and in that opinien he was fortified by the testimony of thou who had the charge of convicts. On one occasion that he visited the public esta blishment la Westminster the keeper said that he would so forty miles to see one who had been reformed. He be lieved the best course to take would be, to appoint sew minister of judo, to superintend the convict Ein, and to see that the errors which the honourable gentleman pointed out were avoided. right hon. baronet appeared to consider that thc system tickets of leave to convicts who had gone out after ng a cartels mown of punishment would be attended with improved results. Was he aware dud the towns were then crowded with persona who had each debits ? The principle of assignment would obviate ell in gonvenienme ; and it should not be objected to from any mawkish seafterente of humanity. The detention *fee many primmer's( late years in this country had lad to very had sesaltr. Transportation ought never to have been • - denied, and he hoped that in future as few mark t' as par able would be allowed to remain in this country. He thought the right hon. baronet took toe favourable a view of the separate system. The practice of the government bad been very erroneous for the lest four or five years ; they had now to some extent same' their steps, and In the end they would be compelled .te return to assignment with hard labour. • Sir J. PAKINGTON thought ithad been the feeling of She home and of the country for some time past that the etas 'fads question wee meet unsatisfactory, and he there foreibmaked the noble load for calling attention to it. Mr. GUMMI wished to say a few words on a part of the shiest in minas* to which he thought justice had not boa dens le pintas who were greatly affected by it; he m itered te the peeled= system which was applied to the whsle I body of anviste in Van Diemen's Land in 1838. That eye tea was, he believed, introduced by the noble lord at the bead of the government, whilst he was Secretary for the Colonies ; it was fully developed under Lori Stanley, and continued in full force during his lordship's tenure of office and during the short period, that he (Mr. Gladstone) held I I office in the Colonial Department, he found it hi duty to put a cheek to it, and to advise his ' colleagues to detensathe upon a virtual suspension of *imported= to Van Dienten's Land for eighteen menthe or two years. Now, though it was perfectly true that the system to which he referred bad been productive of the greatest horrors and iniquities, he thought it only due to those who But adopted and to those who subseq uently de. 'eloped it, to state that thine horror* and iniques were not assessable merely on the system itself. He would not ven ture to express himself confidently as to the operation of the system under the moat favourable circumstances; but thighs must say, that had the most perverse ingenuity been sw atted, there could uareely lave been in the mode of manage ment a greater disregard of all the roles of prudence sad matins ; while such was the absence of informa tion, that die blows struck against its continuance e“ the semegusnca not of official but of private cam musiestises. He thought it but fair to Lord Ptanley te say that the plan.to which he gar his an-lion when in eau was never brought fairly into operation in Van tra'a Lead. (Hear, hear.) Of that fact there„ na the poseis reef in the circumstance that of the vast sass Id amide la Van Diemen's land, amounting to 30,080, *ism were at that moment two or those thousand in pro- Wee parties, Sir William Denims spoke is lone last el the change which had taken place for the better shift the seal and energy of the osetreller-ge seed • had been brought to bear u the natter ; and it appeared from the eon • It re. ;it t ma t d at the horrors and breguleritist formerly had almost entirely ceased. After the avowal of mites meat by the right hon. gentleman, kr the Inailver. *et terms used with regard to the disoontiaaanst4 itti f tram i=ta..hee to Van Dienlea's Land, mustwas net . es those tenth but fie ea Mat he ht Wit — eble *toad was quite justified in robs:fug Is the sub- Vet, sot only become of the important* of the oldest itself, het became Uwe bad beim great precipitancy e. the noble WA, tistSserrawyef Slate for the ear, hear.) That noble lard bad exhibited greet =o bi = ago in deterinhang to break up the at Norfolk lased, and to rename the both of that island and a New rat il ifalse le Van Hisman's Load, after a pledge bad bum gime le the latter colony that transportation should rest be rewash. (Hear, hear.) The right hon=an INA Mad that a discretion wt* given to Sir W. on the sal eat t bat it appeared from the papers that en the 16th of February, 1847, the noble lord the Secretary ler the Colonise imtmated Sir W. Denleon to take meseares to break up, with the lest possible delay, the establhhmentst Norfolk Imbed, and withdraw the whole of the meads to the settlement at Tastnan's Peninsula. Sir W. Denison, in deed, with great judgment, took upon himself the respoasi• Wily of disobeying then instruction', and his disobes wise redo", appeared from the papers, by the noble lord, • (Hear, hear.) It was important that in future *We should be a closer shiervame of the circustipection, mutton, and 8110% Irhiek VIM so necessary In this depart moat moat the hediess of the Weak' Secretary. Now he seseld ma se any further Mahn gases of transportation seism* awe le impress Ide great iesWm at homing an eatid dedmatlia ant the wee to b e polusily re =l,ant** lad made up thek retinas to Ida the as well as they could, and that they were ast le be drawn away by popular, or even by Teal ellestlems, to the system of transportation, from the meek tithe comparative and relative advantages which it pressalltd. (Hem, hear.) He hoped the right hon. ratan= aid the noble lord at the head of the colonial de partment would et al Saw keep in view the immense paateem tzteadiag es kr se pensible the area over which trenegortatiou wm to be extended. He was sorry to bs =le admit that, wil l : l aud to transportation, as in 10 may other sa el esionial policy, they had diesesnied from the el their ancestors. (Hear, hear.) Their mast= bed eadinteed and managed trens! portatkia beam than they themselves did. The states of the North Antrim Vohs ressivall starlets when they were colonies of Zeeland, but in such small numbers that they were loot in the moss of the population. Thus the bmefits of transportation were obtained, while its evils were almost imperceptible. The great mistake which bad been made recently was that of endeavouring_ to compress meat numbers of convicts into small spaces. The malt had been to impress, as it were, • convict character on the whole population; aad such was the odium attacked to the system that it would require the utmost are on the part of the go. vestment to maintain transportation as • MUM without exciting disaffection in the colonies. On these m ecums it was that he had been inclined to resist the abandonment of the colony of North Australia. 'lke opening of a new door for transportation on a limited smle ought not to be discouraged, the first intention ha ving been to send one or two cargoes from Peatonville. The question was one of doubt and difficulty. To the founds. um of penal colonies, properly so called, he was decidedly opposed ; but, on the other hand, he hoped the government , wculd be gelded by the immense importance et having as many receptacles as. powible for the convicts leaving this country. If they allowed themselves to get into the false position in which they had been p la ced in regard to Van Dismen's Land—that of being obliged to send several thousand prisoners to one colony, to deluge and drench it with iniquity—however difficult it might be to fled a solution of the problem at home, they would be com pelled to surrender the advantages arising from transporta tion. (Hear, hear.) Mr. EWART would be glad ts obtain answers to two questions—first whether the house was to understand that the colony of Van Diemen's Land still received convicts ; and, secondly, to what other colonies transportation was to be extended? Mr. SIDNEY said the right hon. baronet (Sir G. Grey) had alluded to a gaol with which he (Mr. Sidney) was itonmetid—vis. the gaol of Newsate. Was the hawse aware that from that reel were sent me al:* of all the eonvicta transported (rem England and Scot bad? During the period when the right hon. gentlemsn Ms member tor Ripon was in office that right hon. gentle man wrote to the magistrates of the city of L,ondon 'letters AMILICIditg; a reorganisation of the gaols under their manage. leant. Though the present Hoene Secretary had; no doubt, the strongest desire to see the system pursued ier,those gaols reformed, he (alr. Sidney) must complain that he had not been sufficiently severe in the discharge of his duties. There WON in the county of hildffiesex four or Sc. differ/at systems el treatmeat, and that alone formed a grated of investigation. Mr. P. SCROPE wished to know who were theparties re ; pamiblefor the overcrowding of the Irish gaols. From the Rupert et the inspector it appeered that en Galway gaol alone ao fewer than 121 parsons had died in 23 days from the elect of this overcrowding. Sir G. GREY said, in reply to the question of the boo. member for Droitwich, that the more common period of Ninety imprisonment was 18 months. The three colonies to which convicts were now being sent were Van Diemen's Lead, New South Wales, and the Cape of Good Hope. In reply to the ham alderman, he could only say that plans had some time since been prepared of • new prim for London, and he sues scrry now to hear from the Ma. gentleman that objections were raised to this proposition. He would refer the hon. member for Stafford to the reports of the inspectors of prisons. The moth wee then agreedto. BURDENS ON LAND. Mr. DISRAELI, having first presented a petition from Cambridge sad Suffolk, signed by nearly 2,000 occupants of land, for • repeal of the malt tax, the announcement of which was loudly cheered by the protectionist members, addressed the house to the following effect :—I rise with a hope that I may induce the House of Commons to consent to a great measure of justice, of conciliation, and of policy. (Cheer.) it is not my intention on this occasion to enter into any detailed demonstration of the great distress existing in the agricultural districts of this country. Whether that distress exist or not, is a point not necessary to the argu ments on which I mean to recommend to your attention the resolutions I have placed on your table. Bat I shell not enter into these details, because I believe it is generally acknowledged that this distress does exist. (Hear, him.) It is only a few nights since that an hon. member of this bass, whim I think I now see in his place, came forward, wad offered us his voluntary testimony in that behel • witness certainly not to be suspected of say morbid sym pathy with the agricultural classes, the hen. member for Manchester. (Hear, hear.) He told us the other night that he could not for a moment conceal from himself that there was distress among the agricultural classes of this wintry—distress mast severe and painful to endure. I am willing to allow this statement of affairs to depend on this testimony. (Hear, hear.) Nor am I, on this occa sion, about to enter into any investigation se to the causes of that distress. That investigation is au investigation not at all necessary to the arguments which 1 mean to offer in support of the resolutions which I have placed betore you. But if I required to know what were the causes of that distress, here also I would appeal to • witness who sits on the oppo• site benches, and who en such subjects must be admitted by all to be a witness of great and unimpeachable authority on this heed, I should appeal to the hon. member for the West Riding of Yorkshire. (Hear, hear.) That hon. gen tleman on • recent memorable occasion, when he commu nicated to his assembled fellow-countrysorn the political programme of his intended course, spoke of the farmers of England with much sympathy, and lamented their condi. tion, and acknowledged, in a manner which did infinite credit to his candour and frankness, that they had not been fairly dealt with. (Hear, hear, hear.) So tar as to the fact, and so far as to the causes of the fut. Nor, in the third place, is it my intention to enter into any con troversy as to the character of the causes to which these hon. gentlemen refer. It is not my intention this night to introduce any controversy as to the policy or impolicy of those changes in our laws, by which, according to the hon. member for the West Riding, the agricultural dues have not been fairly treated. (Hear, hear.) I hold the same opinions on this subject that I have frequently derived, and that I have more than once essayed to develop to the house. (Hear, hear.) I still believe that the new commercisl system is founded on erroneous principles. (Hear, hear.) I still believe that, in constructing that system, you mistook the rules which regulate the beneficial and advantageous interchange of commodities between nations. (Hear, hear.) I still believe that, in opening our ports in the teeth of hoe tile tariffs, you have done an act which diminishes the effi cacy of British industry. (Hear, hear.) I still believe that under your new system our native labour must necessarily give more of its produce for foreign produce than it did here tofore, and that, in such proportion, our native labour his become tributary to the foreigner ; that it has leis com mand of fore= productions; that, insomuch as tho precious metals are foreign productions, it has less com mend of the precious metals. (Hear, hear.) I still believe that you have embarked in a career which must end, if continued, in the degradation of national in dustry, and may lead to the catastrophe of financial convul sion. (Cheers.) I still believe that you have but one way to extricate yourself from the embarrassments which you have already experienced, and from the calamities whi ch I believe to be impending ; and that is, by a frank acknow ledgment of the principle of reciprocity ea the fundamental basis of a true commercial system, and of countervailing du ties as the only sound and legitimate means of fighting against hostile tariffs, (Loud cheers.) I still retain these opinions ; but I have only expressed them now, that on this and on every legitimate occasion I may take the legitimate moans of setting forth the opinions I profess to the country, and of thus seeking for them that public approba tion to which I believe them entitled, and which I believe they will ultimately achieve. (Cheers.) Because, however I may dissent from the change' which have been made of late years in our commercial system, I am not one of those who wish to recur suddenly to the put, by appealing to the passions of any suffering clam—(hear, hear)—or by taking advantage of any party combination. (Cheers.) I wish, on the contrary, that the change, when effected, shall be per manent—and permanent, because it is called for by the con viction of the country. (Hear, hear.) I look, therefore, solely to legitimate means for the attainment of that result which, for the sake of the country, I believe to be essential, inevitable—to public discussion, to private investigation—to the failure of economical prophecies, and to the fruits of sharp experience. (Cheers.) I have frankly expressed my opinion on these points, • to show, (as I hope with offence to no dati on:l m th at while I wish tO avoid controversy on these sub ects, which have no contuse don with that I lave net to intrados., I am =- willing that any on e should en I shrink from the views I have always before e , and my convictions upon which the reflections of every day, I may say the observant= of every hoar, only tend to confirm. I think I may be per mitted to my, that after the extraordinary changes of 1848, which so importantly affected the egrichltorsi interests of this country; • they were at lust entitled, # the other hand, to a system of taxation which should not pace unjustly and unfairly epee them. That is the lint propositimibehithl wish to lay down. My tumid ice, that the unjust and unfair ap paflonuseat of taxation of which they complain, may be re moved and redistributed, and that In this redistribution they may fled, Snot the complete remedy, at least the consider able relief of those sufferings which they at present endure. (Hear, hear.) The question which I have to place before the homes requires very little statistical detail to introduce it properly under your notice. Though the interests to which it applies are vast, though the results of the measure which I would recommend to your adoption are also vast, the question in itself is extremely simple, and in common with every thing that ,depends upon first principles, is clear and easy of apprehension. It seems, from accounts now in the possession of us all, tress the amounts of the parochial or rating year, commencing Lady-day, 1848, that a sum of not less, than ten millions sterling had been, during that year, levied by direct taxation upon the real property of thie country. (Hear, hear.) The poor rate, the county rate, the highway rate, the church rate, and that variety of rates under the head of poor rate with which we are all familiar, and to which I may have occasion, as I proceed, more ly to refer, to these various rates, there was paid the real property of the country in one year, no less a sum particularly 10,000,000 sterling—by the real property alone. (Hear, hear.) If we add to this sum of 10,000,0001. another direct tax, which strictly and legally @puking is also a local tax, the land tax—for it b apportioned to localities, assessed ia localities, by local jurisdiction, every locality being liable for its quota--then I may say that the real property of this country pays at this moment 12,000,0001. a year of taxation which no other species of property is subject to. This question has been placed - before us in a manner which may enable any gentleman to examine for him self, and distinctly ascertain the nature and amount of this taxation of one species of property to the tented extent of 12 millions, and to compare the annual amount so levied with the whole annual ne:me of the country. We have all of us in our possession the materials by which we can form these calculations and arrive at the result I have indicated. livery member of the house may hence know that the 10 millions I have referred to—l may say the 12 millions I have referred to—is raised on rental , contributed by the real property of the country to the • in a t wi t 13 r • kl ~L amount of 67 millions par annum. Now we hay difficulty in ascertaining, at all events approximation..— .hat is the total income of Englead at this mow n - We have the parliamenetry paper moved for by in gentleman opposite, parliamentary paper No. 747, egja g gives us the amount of the income tax paid by England au Wiles to the 25th April . , 1646. the paper hum be n - en the table of the house in 1847. It is a mere having 40, 4 rn operation to calculate from the amount of inecenetresierie perty tax contributed under the five schedules of Enema e g 1846, the amount of the total income of the property stinted by that tax. The total income then of land in the yesr ending 25th April, 1846, the 1 return under the five schedules, was 186,808, but inasmuch as in the 67 millions, which is the useeeed rental of real property in England, every clue of in that limit is included, even cottages being rated s : poor rate, in order to calculate the relative position of that assessed rental of real property, with the entire property 0 England, it will be necessary to ascertain how much • ueos e is held by that property which is not assesell to the and income tax; and to do this, I shall adopt the 1 1 - ' u f l?l l 4 down by the right honourable member fur Tarnworm. • prudent and cautious authori y, when he intra duced the property and income-tee measure. The right I na, baronet then too lc the income under 1501. a year at g quarter of the whole income of the country, so that to dm amount of 186,888.9581. chargeable with the prom, I tax, the sum of 62,296,319/. must be added as the amp of income not chargeable with that tax. These sums man together 249,185,2791. staling as the total income of m g country. Now, the question which I wish to ask the hem is, why should this ten or twelve millions Merlin of die* taxation be levied only upon a portion of the whole lammed the country, and which is Rule more than • fourth of se whole amount ? (Cheers) This is the simple q It is a question in which this country is deeply int=4 and which a great portion of the country is now asking self. (Hear, hear.) The income of this country la Se millions, and yet, for the purposes to which I have Nyou assess only one-fourth of that income. (fiat , ow, on what principle of fairness or justice cue ysi that usessment ? (Hear, hoer.) What are the ( mi nk these local taus ? The maintenance of the poor of Me country, the maintenance of the means of internal commode cation, the administration of justice, the maintenance often sacred Mince of the land.: Bat are not these mitten in which all property is equally interested? (Hear heft) On what plea, on what principle, can you vindicate Me fte. tun which makes one fourth only of the income of as country liable to this great change ? (Hear, hear.) I% question has boon laddientally introduced to us before; It his been treated, as it were, personally ; I may say, without offence to any one, it has bun treated superficially. (lan heir.) There have been attempts to rein up idle and oaks controversies between the landholders and the maniac. turas * to who contributed most to the pour as to who ought to contribute most to the poor rate, and other endless and vexatious centrum...ties cf tgjg kinl. Now it is said the agricultural interest bear most of the harden; now It is asserted that home proems, is most grievously oppressed. Ido not enter Mee theft 4; cessions. lam not one of those who want to depreciate tt importance of house property, who wish fey a monist to shut my eyes to the fact that during the past half many there has been a great change in the relative position of the different sections of real property. (Hear, hear.) I s far from wishing to disbelieve tribe, or to conceal it from,* self ; on the contrary, I look at the result as one dame satisfactory kind, as one proving the prosperity of m g country, as proving by the dearest of testa, that the is a greater and greater amount of fixed capital is tte country. (Hear, hear.) I fully agree that families in tens do support, and are assessed to the support of, their mor, eg example, in • manner and degree that renders Me growing at times clamorous under the burden matter ot m surprise at all. (Hear, hear.) lam perfectly willing teed met, that their contributions are ample, are more tee ample, are grievous ; and I fully sympathies with the pe. senors of real property in towns, who are uspelly and disproportionately assessed. The mann what I shall introduce, if the house consent to p into committee this night, is one which relieve the suffering towns where these complaint' Wm Manchester, Bradford, all the great heats of manufsctu industry. I sympathies with their sufferings, I acknowledge their grievances, and I my it is intolerable that the led property in these towns, a portion of a fourth part wily elk whole property of the country, should have this grime burden imposed on it. So it is with another wry important species of property, very amply and ably represented in** house, the holders of which are constantly in hot water ft the subject of the poor rates in which they are aarsal; nothing can be more monstrous than the amount ethic:hide mended from railway companies under the head of pox rate I agree in all their complaints on this subject, though I do not concur in their remedy, considering as I do Outdate ' would be no justice in the railway companies removing the infliction from themselves, and placing it on the shoelaces! the agricultural interest. I admit their grievance fully, sad protest against this section of one fourth only of the this property of the country paying taxes for the whole commuity. If the proprietor' of railways will only support me is tft resolution I have to offer, they . will obtain that relief wine they seek. The same compl aint has been made by to great associations formed for supplying water and light Mae metropolis and other large tOWEII. There is • *mead wrangling going on between these companies, and the assessors of the poor rater. Their complaints are perfidy right, ;and their claims to be fairly rated quite just. Bet, sir, some of my agricultural friends seem to think test they are also right if they can succeed in lathed* at undue proportion of these berthas' on these NM panics ; I, for my own part, consider it to be a net unjust and inequitable circumstance that they, constitutim only a portion of the fourth of the income that pays Om taxes, should be visited with so nude* • share of this. (Hear.) These eompanios, however, will have an *pork nity afforded them of obtaining a redress of their grievance by supporting those measures which, if the house sanctions my . resolution, I shall product, measures which are funded. in justice, and which are certain, sooner or later, to succeed (Hear, hear.) If we were calmly to consider this ease; if the circumstances which I have stated did not eccu England ; if any of us happened to be travelling is a foreign country where we first should become acquaised with &system of finance so intricate and complicated as em is ; if we became aware of the fact that a separate ssd a private revenue was assessed and levied upon one fool* part only of the whole property of the country-what we* be the conclusion that we should draw from such a stated things ? Should we not say this section of the people, its are subjected to this exclusive taxation, must be the ramie of • conquered race ? In this inequality of taxation we die cover the proofs of • slavery which we as Englishmen weed not tolerate for one moment. (Cheery.) But who wall suppose that this exclusive taxation was the peculiar privilege of a proud and rapacious landed aristocracy-(hear)-es aristocracy who as we are constantly told have made tie laws, and always for their own advantage? (Hear, hear.) Bet the most curious and anomalous feature of this unparalleled state of affairs is, that it Is not the law of England-a he which is founded on common sense, and which never amid' meted that such monstrous and such oppressive co:clerics would be drawn from the accidental circumstances what have grown up around the institutions of England. I need not remind the house that the old statutes regulating the ti lief of the poor never anticipated such monstrous cute quenees as have resulted from their enactment. Even that most benign and sagacious i law, the 43rd of Elizabeth, eft fines the enunciation of its ntentions to these words:- " All the inhabitants of England are, according to their means, to contribute henceforth to the relief aft support of the poor." And in the time of Willies and Mary, when the first mention of the land tax occurs in our history, it is only called in common parlays the land tax, for in point of fact it was a tax levig on pro perty of every description. Even very recently ill the civil officers of the crown were subjected to this tax, al at the present moment the salaries of the judges are assessed to it at the rate of 4e. in the pound, though I M. Hare that the sla is assessed at the same amount es it was in the time of William and Mary . (A laugh.) 1 fled it established by repeated decisions in former time' of tee courts of law, and also in modern days, as often &dud that every species of property, of all kinds, is liable to tut dame imposts for the relief of the poor at real peeped singly bears, and at the present moment stock in trade oslj escapes from being Wend to the poor rates by sn us tadu bill, which is also passed by those rapacious Judd aristocrats, who thus let stock in trade weep the payments which they consent to nuke is rm. peat of their real property. I have, therefore, aSO to ask, first, what show of noun there is why, for the ft• juts and purposes for which these particular rates and Isles are levied, the whole tangible property, personal as well se real, of the district should not be equally liable to be mew& The inhabitant of the distrief„ the puma of proPstl residing therein-whether his means consist of broad sea Or of propertz e derived from other sources-is equl l lll rested with t landowner in the state of the rude 446 , equally liable to be called on to contribute to the relief 4! the poor. He is equally interested in the administrations justice. And I hope, for the good of his &eel, he lawn* takes an interest in the maintenance of the church. NI is no human being can advance an argument contrary to tb s : fact which I now state. Yon may say that the system h so long gone on, and is so artificially Interwoven with the great institutions of the country, that it would be difficult* nay, even impassible-to extricate ourselves from its enter glean:Mr. And indeed lam ready at once to admit thlt there is nothing so difficult to effect as to levy a vas ups personal property in a country-I may say it is aimed Is' e p o t t b a l n e t to ly do so. prevailed reep thes e e ct u to e " the su arg e m t. ents ß th at at i h; on the other hand, that no one can meet the principle off* tic, on which my argument is based. (Hear, hear.) No oar will assert that it is just for personal property to resT s exempt from paying its share of the general contributim I t may be expedient that things should be as they have to ss and as they now are : but you cannot say it is jut. (Hum hear.) I admit fully, frankly, freely, the inconvenienee - ' the impossibility of rating personal property in a 'adducer! or indubitable manner to the relief of the poor. (Beg )) Bat nevertheless I am strongly of opinion that if we pul!! this important inquiry with lees of that superficial "pint ire tu t h lra m t p tr ma ese vail ybe d ed iffi d in cul isco fi ties tm ver e :i dis ill c f n is u s e i p h o p e ns e fi ar o m , f t t o p h r ia ls• t o k ha i . n t i d t 'a i w pp e e e ort e l a s t l i m oo l lee that a great deal of the difficulty arises out of a conhiscontus ion Wrens, by which people have been led to aegociets the idel. kcal taxation with the necessary and inseparable consepLeer_ that the purposes for which it is levied are purely to :al. No w I doubt very much whether any argument could be "r ported which rested the local taxes on the ground that are for purposes exclusively local. On the contruy , ..l r these pupupurposes can be shown to possess • wider and ! comprehensive character than has been ass.gned to te , will take the first and the meat important of met and try it by this teat. I know of no mein reason w h y maintenance of the poor should be held to be the e° oil::: duty of the locality in which they are found. Tll s m s oc i; mince of the poor is either a matter of police, or it