The Express. — London, England, 1849-04-28 00:00:00

pow .0.----- ----- here, aiseadias, es they did, ova • leas period, veil they hod Mem earefuny arranged sad nemmient to the noble led at the heado the israp depart:4mA Ober, bear.) Led BROUGHAM bed ma doubt the zemesfeld b daley ise =BBll4p=prie de warm rter is fasier. w ie hod. breever. ts c7 .6 norm nosy oath lei. beta the es* apogee; hi Mee imerf imiethe 41 Vette ea the Whits rf bath hems with the greMais . ida le the memo whisk had been elkagol ths Mims wry hard to chirp rte dean with Wog araftary *Sea. tit Zed of JUNTO mid *at the stile kg we. de led steed that the repeats el the moat wee ai* SIM ISM ininlB, sad were se to be relied mph, Fe% 111 did —to Mew that the testament etho lielms Oimesd um set itl.beseds• Meta heard teem a aural dim; at ... j ests, that be was cant apse by the mem* who hie that be was about to make seek a report. Wjesr urged him above all INN. not to arks any ri pen beaded cm swam, and to sees nothing ,the did sat himself know, or of whisk he W sot neWe the nest reeve ovidetee. The caber sated that he had mae over oil re statesman mode by Mr. Nair, amill he led most d Mime of the truth of nay one et *am The meet lord oboe* give a public dam credit fa Mess used the bat mar ia his power to obtain the meet awash informatics. Is bad received letters from the admiral, sad othsr naval diem as the °oast of Sicily, *Nokias with honor et th e amen that had takes plea u Cassia, which were in fact a sweeten of what had moaned bears ia the war betwesa Naples sad Sicily. Fire ands wet ies nsisr_t ad er atellaseerias• tbs—des main of women and oh* the tablas of Catania. With rope to the 71=7 1 — mil that was onfirmed by the laformatioa he had seetiv alili t tha ti t mare that the lowa we ghee our te sad Ire, bat the the reedmees et the Reath tad were repotted is the aides of this sone may War tad plaader. If that reify was the ewe, he dung= was a mat* of surprise that the isfuriated ceder so regular otatmel, should hive hem 214125 t, ale. sad sad etriderate se to else the bosom of the EWE, who wove se great favouritse with them (Cheat.) The Illagelitaa moue wee !applied te by ma eater ia toeumail dam of our obits, and, after being vemonetrated with,' step we pat to them Mantle psessaillais. Loud BEAUMONT did set Bank that there me an t/ Slo m rd be flausi la that beme who wield have Seth oms to as Mt hat deterthel he the ammo *. &obis and bawd lad appalls hoi daft, sal bags slated too that they Wile eas Ilea _math et wonfles It apparel So Ms th e we bad emsd mete seism aissomft tad Belie should &Swift Inn =Wog a sasilia se e the slab. should tisk koehiga so syysseasby st rapftssios Ohs mama a a goossmoot who had sair Sod lathes% Imam by violating seised tiegrefeethfa. M a y Kenai@ of LANSDOWNS NM ha had as *Nth& ft Isy the papers r, {rod by the sob:. lord os the teen Saes sifts popsonyea thissatesst wars howora aboady hid bikes the how, sad Visas MIS is the gauss of prepara tag She yarn bohrs ask hmiships ia a collated Ess hoot. to SANITARY MAWR= FOR THE METROPOLIS. Loud RIDZSDALS waboll to Mow why no sultry sorms had yet been tat/aimed for the metropolis. The Rai of CARLISLE said that at the sad of hot as *a two hais were pared on the subject. OM IN them ens Bo Ilistrayallsaa Ossasholor of Bowan, mad So Mar the Mot Labs Car shisa.lt was the duty': tlassemeb• doom to WON his all sugars effecting him desk-,,- •-b sablawar Is teem tit Thames frcet Anise pollution .-In lap*, MD tit Mien of supplying the metropolis with watt{ soda hood shady to %treats a bill relative to rho barrel of the Ord alibis swain precincts. Mei a than aeouesatiem the sedge dropped. PREVENTION OT CRUELTY TO ANIMALS BILL. Ito Dohs of BEAUFORT same the esesad loading of this bill. Lard CAMPBELL objected to it on the ground that the deems relating to the employment of dogs in outs were sea implanted. The Duke of BEAUFORT defended the bill, width was lbw reed • sewed time. The Berl of MINTO osd to this species of legislation. Ma aMillebt then was whin,, more to be deprecated this bssilfts shoat for petty sabjesta of lerislation, and, in this Ow Ohm was nothing to thaw that it was 'canine]. Hs elmehl move that the bill he road a second time that day six months. After a few words hem Lord RIDILSDALZ, in support of the bill. The Bishop of OXFORD said it was well known that is animals it high organietion and great nervous power the isoyzii al as of sabring pain w proplrtionably great. y suffered pea when set to draw heavy weight, be Z of their bet militias theft for such tasks; tad le Wined that it santerous eases hydrophobia wars rem* End GREY maltreat admit thin may ea ft ho soot by Ifthisdas I they should rather look Air soot to the pap= of sivilisstka. He was that liss Wimp to pot Iwo amity by Isahlatios would pad. sally do soft lira thee good : it add oily be sods thrsagh the median se hdormen, sad all the Mies me. *ism whisk Mimosa So *Watts* of thse drogyfisa. . I Seer,.. boar.) If their issahips legishis to g Nip sing, how amid they saga to )(gigot* olsogis ? sad it staploodessiag were by @softie, bow mold they refuse - to imbed the proisieties to all Mem swami? (Hear, hear.) Hs "homely *este* Is tit ma nn a bearing exclusively ea the lower elama, while it left Gm of the favourite SMSSIIIM of the higher dosses as tioshoill eM Ravi of KALMESBURY denied that Ski be of wer. ananhad for draught. If his right rev. Mind (Ifis limp of Oxford) was as great a sportsmaa se his. 1014,be weed know that it was customary s i ng pn a low Was ths eammonsetheitt of the seem to Oft the dip I. sad dim a hard red, to prepare them for as; sad as lop was so healthy a thou. who had pas through that mum The Bishop of OXFORD aid seek dogs were met set to draw heavy weight'. Ha was perfectly fam il iar with the preetios referred to. The Earl of MALMESBURY said his chief ground of i sijectios to this bill was, that it would intabre with Ike i livelihood of a number of poor peso ns in Me own may, wit used dogs is drawls( carte containing fles. 14g eke when the population exceeded the memo al art, It would be very improper to pm swab a taste The Dots of ARGYLL said the hio ashes Mood (Earl Grey) mast, is order to carry set his own paitelples, rime limy exit .W laws. (Her ' hear.) H. perfectly agreed that it was cialt to draw the lime when legisla tion should asses, sad that thus was no ellishael security against washy sleeps to the moral advaseement of the people ; bat there as so reason why they should not attempt to mitigate sues cruelties. Would his noble bleed move to repeal the law prohibiting bull bait- Wiairear, hear.) With regard to dogs, although he was tonne with the right rev. prelate as regarded their espesity of suffering pain, there were other reasons why be meld not support th e nUtsure. The Earl of Canute-I here roes, whom The LORD CHANCELLOR via staileirstood to my that, the bill having beta read a sem* fiat., there we no clam Ilea before the house. The Earl of CARLISLE had understood it to have been sieved es ea amandmant that the bill should be reed that day sit meths. The LORD CHANCELLOR mid he had not herd the ameadneat. He had put the question that the bill be read a eased time, and it had been carried. The Earl of CARLISLE said he would only observe that be did not see why they should refrain be. legislating = aim, booms they could not eattrey remove it. gratuitous and wanton cruelty wit prettied, he thought the logialatare might properly interfere. • comenation took place with regard to the emote reta kes, the Bad of MINTO declaring that he had distinctly mined an amondmeat. The LORD CHANCELLOR again said that bo bad sot hurl It. Lord CAMPBELL observed that it would ef mew be eipm *this nobles friend to move a similar green to the Vellisa for the third ratiag. The Dabs 4 BEAUFORT would mild those noble lads who obisoloil to legislative istoshnoso Sae Ass was = slaw opium rarity to =hash. This bill woe ft as ma laprensmat my= It. The lid of MINTO admattsd that than was ads sa the =graft is szbessos, sod II Isis oaks BINA would way test portico al the bill width mufti thou ho ahead lave his sense. (Lassies:4 TURNPTILI TRUSTS. lasi RIDESDALI las:edema a bill to facilitate the walla se auspliko trusts. The bill was read alba time, sad Monday bed for the soma reading. Their lordship adjourned at 7 seal**. SOUSE OF COMMONIL—FAmaT, AP= 27. The Sinuses took the their at 4 *Plink. PRIVATE BUSINESS. BMW! CONSIVIIID.—Bredhed Waterworks BBL PUBLIC DIMNESS. Contirrss—Poor-ime, Inked (Ease io Aid), gm. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Azartwartosi TIMMS nrorms or Was roe Tin Rierrunnrwr or INTIONATIONAL DsiPOTas. —By Yr. DROTHERTON, several is favour of Mr. Cobrisa's 'leas es this sabket. CLIZOT Raw BITS.-21 Yr. CLAY, from Hell sad WORTH, pima fine COWAN, fres Ediaberik ; Mr. HEY WORTR, Ukases* Mr. J. B. SMITH, from Dm thimlise—ba Swear of this MIL Benz 81101.6.-11 r. (MILBURN km Ssisaber; the Massie of GRANBY boo ; IL,. HENRY, trios Chartism', ia of the deseraikkei leriesey of beer stem red thet say be abolished. Massuess Bass.—By Mr. B. ORTLEY (3), flan Asses asses set Maxi ; MLR HERBERT, from • pies is wow**, is Omer of Sr laseti'mXlll ; Yr. 04JUL. WW ; Mr. I rward'kless Is seu ead Mustier (e YOBTYII bevoral), tom Wales, against the bill. Comm Poise:us Boas:sr.—By Mr. COBDEN, has speolhos of the pa el the Dewsbury treks is faros of errs* Wee or Ms. Stom.--By Mr. COBDEN, bra tabs Weis of Kirkby Umiak ; from ecogrargadoe of Wes Mirky**, Dona ; Mr. HUME, fres Breda; = wed et Mr. Shi m Pomo Essionwress-111 Mr. COBDEN, froes Great Tsnosek. soil base bliekbarea of Wink,. kr a N owise of Sepal& espeeMlne 411U3. ?serious lams Am Esseenser eirr Expirroz tress—By Mr. 00=131 boa fi Chestiest, -Ileraddre i sad Ipso WaLw.r. BsgMaMatls2oll THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, APRIL 28, 1849. leg e in Yeekskire ; for fieaecial reform and a rednetioa of worry end pauperism Ihe malt would be to bring into dimedit and timpopelarity the admiaberaden of the whole sallow or Blares. diet., arm Mamma= peer law system from one end of Ireland to the other. (Hear, =ruci.—By Mr. HUME, from Fifeshire end hear.) a is gainst these Wis. Lord J. RUSSELL admitted that the emeriti= of a Lellalic Amrca (Scernaam) BILL.—BI lb. HUMS, en tn.in-aid was accom p an i e d with ghat difilnliiis . but he hem Ificotrose, against this bill. could net allow the leagnage whist had bees twoidoped by Affirnitiatog But.—By Mr. HUME, from lavenry, in theirs. bmasat, the member for Waterford (Sir H. Barron), favour el this bill. es pass u The boa. baronet seated thr they wasted C OLO NIAL Dirrnzes.—By Kr. DISRAELI, from Nova t o um their own peekete , end ts tan tho poverty of Ireland. Scotia, s teed by 6,000 persons, complaining of seise's' era- Now, ea far from that be the ease, le believed that liag. Saner end meattiallY of the Prietoolook allalahlall by MT- land had never made gee szertion on her ova behalf as she Fairialha : alto a /*alba flea imams atlitliolalaS of dim - ma sae tows Ireland. (Cheep.) Heald anwhk to boost trees and praying for additimal aompensatioa. of the exertion that has bean made ; but Animotrumam, Durrams.—By Mr. DISRAELI, from when he heard it stated over and Oyer seek that 'Lapland Lespieek, comply ot agricultural aim.. had dome teething to relieve the misery of Ireland, he could Parnannos Donas.—By Mr. DISRAELI. fro= a.m bat refer to the grants and adverse of girds dare minks ia gaa athaded h 7 7,000 Paroosoi Whet iffillims shetiag, and to the proposals whisk bed been loads Slut public salaries be rowed to every maim for the purples - of waving beim& (gar, 1 the eleademl iPe t il l M. hear.) It was hardly fast, Sea, tibia lisa wi rtheten repro- MIIMOPOLITAX GAB CONSIINEPA.—By Mr . C. PEAR mug, Egok t omes N A th i tt izsad. we moo to SoN, from 6,908 gas cowmen sad inhabitants of the City t er mer k nasig. ip sawn them ef all sedienge. end of Leaks, and the parishes of Bow, Whitechapel, are. in of throwing tINI whole hordes apse I The het was beau. of tie Great Central Gm Cowman' Company's Bill th a t there aid mea n t hi eves , eln imam Tears, ea. y deep extending lit sad extensive drums , !Irking Irma the failure of their= of NEW WRIT. the cosatry. Had the potato crop limn alluadent MA years Oa the intim of Mr. TIM MS, a new writ was ordered the government might not have had to ask he Ildemeneardi te kw for the borough of Sheffield, in the room of Henry wary aid. Bat that, unhap, Cy, had net bean Ike ems, sad Oeeege Ward, Eng., who bad accepted the office of steward is from reports from th e poor law senenimisasrs, of the Chiltern Hundreds. private communiciations, that the noun Ostrow LEAVE OF ABSENCE. did exist. In a letter received by blend( only that e ven morals', from the proteatane clergyman of Ballimobe, it Oa the moths of Col. Lam, leave of absence was was stated that in a workhouse built for 800 par te lissome Sahara for three weeks, oil urgent private be sem Gars wen now 2,000; that the number of deans wee slam. Oa the motion of Mr. G. A. ffitievrox, Wye of absence _i_... Sraalla r i l a ±l-s-t akat th __ e _ ea .- eitsele — e ..._te the _ gave . ( Hour, k. h -Ewns amr. !Il i wi g e l t me give. to Mr. French fir a fortnight, in conequencs of T heo be re ;Tr —. melesureferan.:=Tatograanevig: the WI the Mani of a memb e r of his family. dab el Ireland in a few year'e:gele sand now, as ke had IRISH PAUPERS. shad heirs over and over maks, what wee to be done be aromas flat ot May and the fat of August ? (Hew, bear.), Mr. STAFFORD said that t he hos. member for Ca l k hod on the previous main informed thd hoses that the Shoved they propose very large gnats frail the szobequa of Cork had Pad to the Board of 11eakth thea mm To that the bass generally was mach. airnets& Was 1 41= 4 , 1 : sort off all the country Pilgrim- H ad go . it not possibie then, for Irish cm to agree to some yernmeat rescind any intheation of this circumstance ? mom ai m i ng the mow , l a th ta eaten ag r ee extreme Sir G. GREY said he had beard nothing of the matter hams et their country ? An blame tax had been pro until the hon. member natal out to him the newspaper Pease i but that .aware had baps fairly brought forward report of the statensat to whisk he rehned, nor did he at 6l the rem. lam b ic p m K erry fu r . amber* and bad the preset monist know anything otherwise of the matter. bees tat* - dis=coed. It bad been rejected by the house, Mr. FAGAN mid his stamen was, that the corporation sad be sea aft see that say good sad would be saved had paid 1001. for the pager el preventing the Gauntry l e r ng ft. The house baying on the pupae from being brought Ye the Main Mal e:re s d i is favour of the rate is aid, he did ask POLIOE RAM the taimmktes sow to allow the bill to proceed ; for he saw Lori DUDLEY STUART said that the Malre g efillea bat the most dreadful fate in store for the destitute p a rr i nniand if it were not agreed to. The hon. gentle- Alert" after karst, last year, rushed al latimatien home the poommat that arty U. i n t h e waw a po li es rate was maybe Irks_ hest larked whether the rate would be levied to be lend apes then festal et ild. as heretofore, bad oPea_ffrew 7 twrwa unlas h Lifirstoposausanewerto levy the weld stilhela sidled spat to th Si. He wished to know, oaf woe ra ellen weal t o levy atom whethee, the ore w h e a l h i d bees a gl o w ae t h e came sty pen use that eispe:sy m rats would not be collected. a the keg e , 1,1, mu d al supposed to „gm, or : i t was mat preadble, lemur, to insert in the bill a certain whether motrepolitan distrieb were not to be relieved umber of labs. he be mempted, bonus it they did that from onetime, at all events, of this oppressive burden ? la else ems et melds mime queseisas would constantly arise as to ether salsas whether cc set they ought to be ex- Sir G. GREY said that when the autropolitaa polies 1M em s , He dld not makevert et all the statement that diet taldtate d the policeratelevied ars the aletre t telte there were strong o to the imposition of an =di ve, Iht- laths Plata.; this w e e ~..ar tarwleiL t edseed, _Le ~__6 ` l * . decal ate in I in her pries= eireamstanoss • bat he the making up th e amasailaS .7 a °°a"""" . " believe r ; it to be the Mk ressanse left them in Inla•d's pre of 90,0001. per annum from the Couolidated Fund seat moment of extreme EMUS sad destitution. (Hoar.) "11 Ter, . "alattlaaaaa of a new allawaa"l of Middle- Mr. STAFFORD mid be was not acquainted with any em, preening 64. in the pound apes a much larger anew met this wore, ft had bee, kopoa that i t we d b e union in Ireland where.* pooes rates at all were collected. pasha to Man the um , reo from 6d . to gal , b at But Kin certain &timed anions the eommiseionen were to sbeenitances tame = oto • I , oft ., occurre d bed nan o- c. like to a discretionary power—(. No, no")—No! the_ he should fat* he believed, to all parties, the expedieney of extend- "" anew what was meant. ( H ear, mar.) As the bill the pea- l aw commiseionere were compelled to fag the police forte, nor did he on any probability that this .now stood , woe in Ireland . Dave them hen esald be again reduced. Let it be Doran in mind that leaTeisommein• rate of 61 - in every ,. power ; out if they were to have t power, dace the tome was origiaally established no fewer th an 11 ° ' SOO miles of streets had be= added to the metropolis., of all._!_lVi in trodu c edreellt noble lord Indicated, a SIP" ram obviously requiriag a Iles form for their ruction. !""'' be hear.) Ile vished to driw ta th - i tie ti t° 1 tha t commi eaec" t li te:s ar bi co, that having ' proceeded a thin far in this Abigreydetraleableaftgagmannanns—a(har.e h il l tr j— r w l o i rd, nisotriata—adoubt, t his circumstan ce , out, the government bad themeless stated that in re produce a Forger revenue from this some, a portion of which tats anions the levy of the sixpenny rate would be imposeshould clearly go in dimiention et the rate, bat not all ; a Able. They did not state the nimber of those unions; hut patios east Curly go towards lawn* the mown now cat- toth e accounts of a ll the Irish members, tit? wen eacceding Ottani by the consolidated fund. (Hear.) very much upon the inseam, and In proportion as they did BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Increase, the value of the security for theadvance of MAW. In sewer to Mr. Helen, would be diminished. (Cheese.) Ho wished to know in Lord J. RUSSELL mid that the navy estimates would how great a proportion of the area of Ireland this rate be token that evening, but not later than 11 o'clock. would be mimed, and why goverment refund to give a dis- Mr. /11.731 E protested spirt bringing forward these esti. poring power to the commissioners, which the noble lord mare at so late an hour, who the house could have no kad stated would be absolutely necessary. ty of properly considering them. Why not fix Sir G. GREY said that what his noble friend had said Ta l t i r a Mooday ? was, that, pnwleally, he did not anticipate that it would be Led J. RUSSELL said that the third reading of the Possible to levy this 6d. rate in all the unions. This was a Rate la Aid Bill was Axed fur Monday. difficulty which attached to every law which imposed rates on the whole population; but the tommissionen were to *n igh BERRIES asked wthe Imattal Same aceeeett forts the rates in all cues in which th could be feel enforced. wen aft ia the hands of na mes ? They had, he believed, The oh'eetion taken to the Re =rat terms is which the kw has rated, Po pommisa of the house. Lord CASTLEREAGH said that reference having been The CHANCELLOR of eke EXCHEQUER said It was made to unions when the rate in aid could not bo levied, h lie fink of Um printer ;he would inquire into the matter. had a return of the fleancial condition of 13 anions in Ire- AFFAIRS AFFAIRS OF SICILY. land. In these 13 unions the rate collected in 1848 was Mr. URQUHART asked why the papers premised by the 114,4741., the grants in aid were 194,0431., making a total of Foreign 8, weary an tkli March, relative to the presence of 308 6171. The expenditure in 1848 was 340,6261. The Admiral Parker in the Bay of Naples, had not been pro- debts due on 27th Jan., 1849, were 104,9661. Relief ad duced ? venom, which had been due in 1847, were 106,1081. The Vilma& PALMERSTON said that when Its made the total liabilities were 161,6881. OatatmLiag rates uncol promise mien= to, the particular papers alluded to were looted, 69,9681. Take the same amount of rate as levied all that it was considered politic at that time to produce, in 1848-114.4741, sad the total assets of the union were sad he had, therefore, undertaken to lay them before the 174,4421., leaving a deficit of 378,2161. He would deduct house, separate from the other papers relating to the affairs the gran amount of the rate in Did supporta to hs /iicrl at Blare of Sicily. that time, dreams. area enabled him to 6d. on every ratable 11 ., which mad. roiedef., 4 Is. lay all the en the subject before the boa.., and he Mend there war a assess in 13 anions of 48,6311. 1 add i had ly direehed the production of ell rather than doer= this stalemate, there were 86 union, out of 131 of a =nom more satiefseenry to the country, and the whole anions, which were in debt in September, 1848, 268,2731., of the documents would be shortly in the hands of members. and se they were enable to discharge their own debts, it did (Hear, hear.) not seem probable that they could pay the debts of other Mr. BANKES eked whether the noble lord bad received anima an v mama of a flea arrangement with the Sicilians of Sir D. NORMS'S did not think there would be any rims.. . difficulty as to this bill, as the moiety of all sums which were Viessaat PALMERSTON—No. paid was to be transferred to the rate in aid accounts. He GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENT—NR. REYNOLDS.greed with the hon. member for the University of Dublin, that it was mom unfortunate the noble lord did not adopt Copt. BATTsSON asked whether it was tree that a pomp emmtomom we rat o Solicitor in England, were unable to pay their own expenditure. Them were mitt= a solicitor in Ireland—he meant Mr. Reynolds, son upwards of 2,000 electoral divisions; of three 639 were in the of the his, member for Hablies—whether this young gen course of the collection of rates of the amount of 51. and up tieman had been appointed to the responsible read lucrative wards; but of these electoral divisions so rated only 148 situation of solicitor to the Mint ? actually paid Si. in the pound. Could anything more clearly The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.—No, he hasn't. (Great laug . htsr.) A son et Mr. Reynolds has been sho w the walwalfhllit , of raising an extra Tito f In rlster , ,s. mitiolt_h_ . ad bmily!ferre . d to_r_ a . model . province, there_wiri appointed a clerk in th e office of the Mint solicitor— (laeghterl—but so far fr om its brine • grievance that hey eo eitVr4ra ' ‘'Mal. in w h ic h m• an d *Fin"' was 91,tott course of collection ; only 17 of these electoral divisions not an English attorney, the solicitor to the Mist, when were able to pay 6e. in the pound. Therefore, it was utterly asked, in relation to the appointment, whether it was de sirable that the party should be a solicitor, replied : err h for the noble lord to raise 6 d. in the pound in aid o f the current expenses. tainly not ; quite the contrary. (Renewed laughter.) Capt. BATE/lON—Bat is the yams gentleman no soli- Cept JONES said that if government persisted in r aU ? hared this tate in aid paid they would bring the operation elle The at CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER — To the of the poor law in his country to a stand still. fle desired if pwsible to prevent such mischief being inflicted on his un boa of may ballet, an THE PALACE COURT. fortunate country. Let the rate be levied so as not to inflict injury on the poor. In answer to Lord Dorms: STUMM, Mr. SADLEIR wished government to consider the pro- The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the question of prie - ty of making an advance of 100,0001. on the security of the Palace Court was ea"' t he eerie" consideration of the the enormous sum due for poor rate in Ireland. The +wean Lord Steward of the Household, in whose department the of poor ra te amounted to 500,0001., and would furnish sem bale lay. (Hear, hear.) city for ia advance of 100,0001. Might not government THE BOMBAY STEAMER. with great advantage introits* into the measure proposed Mr. DISRAELI ssid that some time ego the Bombay by the Solicitor-General a simple power to sell a certain sesemer, which had Deena purchased by _the provisional go- portion of those estates which were justly liable to the poor •INNltollt of Sicily , was seized la this country as en- rate? As to the observations of the hon. member for Plea in Illegal Prooloinata _Moto that Period the trots of Northamptonshire, that every union in Ireland must be Ha lite insurgent g overnment am been making great efforts to ble w he gathered from the noble lord that it was proposed east the miseas ed Om les& He wished to know whether that every union should contribute more or leis to the pay * wen the hefoothm Mem lereernwant to a id them Moats In meet of the rate in aid. There were some electoral divisions their alldeaweeri sal fil ir th e qUellike to be settled ill which were seriously oon.idering how they could pend ant other than the lima mama. ally exempt themselves from the rate in aid. Lord J. RUSSELL said that sines the veil had been Sir A. BROOKE mid that the feeling in his district was mined by the Board of Customs upon representations made spine. the rate in Lid, and he did not believe that one W WII= board that the Megan pee 'Wed for an unlawful thing of the sixpenny rate in aid would be collected without prpw the union of the vessel made other repro- la c ren ted .pity. to the hoard contravening the Sir W. VERNER considered, fr om what he had heard, laden width It had bra wi sed. Th e s ue h eillieh Wl' that the difficulty of levying this tax was beyond what mitted to the law officer of the ( " e at If thfe____,,el d°llll , ets- could be cantina. The lion. member for Manchester had dialed the 11 1Pliti If the *lila" " e " we ' ''''"' w• he - taken on himself to state that the onions in the province Mined ;if their opinion was that the seizure was nee legal of Ulster en opposed t o this ot we. because the mewl would be released. they were aZally atreeL Now, he had taken the trouble ANNUITY TAX. of kolas( at the ylltitiena gnaseted to the house and there Mr. COWAN asked whether the report of the amnia- wars upwards elf 70 yields.* finest this measu re. He be 'Mews appolated ta inquire into the annuity tax had been lined dews were as passes hi Ireland more competent to received ? tufts ot the waddle, el the enema than the guardians ; Lo J. RUSSELL said that the report !adjust been re- Interim the boa member tea ea Mar& to speak of the solved from the solassiadesas, and was in the hands of his =olives whisk lallasseed the psalm he (Sir W. Verna) right lea. Mead the Secretor, of State for the Home De- would ask him who bad inflames* the guareihme ? pertiessk Mr. STAFFORD said what h. comilsred they had to PARIAMENTARY OATHS BILL. advance 100,0001. ca this bill, he Isis it his duty, us an Bat hs the melon of Lead J. Ruseux, the father progrem lish number, eleraly Se wee* the proper af Ibo mosoure, elthis bill was pee sand main Readay es'unight, May 7. and for the make it his comeitaiati to see holm diet& itself, he severity 111111 IN AID. was m good es puha. As regarded he I lb SPEAKER, ea the media bliss me for the hems. as that the Men gleamed the velem. **Mere mea 1, mo ktemom mim o om u to s e m m Agg - pgig, Informed gm sive would he the email& glebe sae% for ta the distressed ii.v. Donis than be man set. emffieleatly with the Me. 11111111 Hs I S " yaw as Mhwis sol asoolotntlY the rate el the Muse men the ineenniea 10 the esmagffise which in am would mom Nome Irma& shed ca the paper whet lissome. The Mere thee west Mr. S. CRAWFORD Lager to the poor Ye eammfffien Oa the s ea s dome labs put, law gemerally from the wo= l f tiffs In the part of Mr R. W. RAMON seas awl Mani Mat to it holimage n . e itli mbidk ke was "Valdt g at ika s Per would las ant I w Ma te eine she heir te the moor Abe agents is tbe the nes, booms. they esmiderod it to be a brink et Bethnal faith mineffllse s Tr a ffildi le bed gins adios, he Medd per __, _, It _ let, Inlaid,. both Mims led it to be Ms bay to appeal to the aside lord and amt.... da wdle igligni otonloo- wok m Ragland sad Ireland, as it 1 wither repay Wm%tosohg e r ea lengs ge = t e t l e ri all b : se s Z o r n e i riatiia - Memos, an relieve Um Mit destitution. the Lind, theemalsews is kyyteg rate _ a te ia all wpm thee. The sonatinas divided — It was engem to 012 bim that ibis was wiped& Tale. Width Per the clams t 2B-53 81 the het lye yawn they bad lammed now to the smenst of Per ths misadmen la. la the psai s tE heisted, mad Misted denies 18 the Mr. PAGAN the rose to propose the addition of the ammee at aawasley. Tint las had beanie= fa Mewls proviso : dm dm of sad deepest dielem. He leeks' apes pawn same Mahe ample el all nimble bereditameals in dell la Mat *art, =A shell give it the almsat lay miss easihni sot bass rag "was obis er bierast thirds la likpriver. The geneumeat were saying their Sem nemsnlel now Cir d = In wk. Ma Ma maw ato on WS risen ha aim% tau the penny el helmet. umm ten comb el em lib. 11111111111111114 we thirty imeyearsom mews Man yeersastameffise thbeyans years. or ;OM. than p=d th e ondwilla et tho words miler alum to Ma IlbesNbeet yews seneemed Ihmemill, Mall be rte Cla t ant inane hell te time telefeek suns." There MIAMI* cheat him be son spells by him to his bomediate wee neap *NOM 1e Ihe hem is midi the sale in aid haw, the foal =NM of 011 win red arwaro et ma Pahl W Nan was newel, te di* be bed abided spa falser men loft !I _q_elrtnoof elealt ' 1 ."" gellhatallat mg Penes vie iesll Vaff mil ea dew ; an t be diedfi MO men meek hiseendlim le the L i el t m or t = im t o :m b e m ig o gud o mm frim eel it et te t e t 1 2 peognal of the gerownwthe lffi ad" , the mom ot the Moot Whim, ear maw am era a sem bessen ma arenerisa In Os spa his pawn tmasairsat. immia et Ms dellasend hem IM ma teeie by" M s is the ro w Mr. G. A. HAMILTON and that as the dame sew Mood leht Whale= Oil* I" "Wild bril".. S would have the *Met el imposing a rated M. in the He hallooed that if thippeelm wee waded to, it would mud upon the very urine kr vim, behalf the mem was go a great way is aimen the appeides to the mu. I. t• levied. is she rig swim* al tits __.__,onlonn the Lord J. RUSSELL babied ft Os min ems within the nasal martian had bees oferlor to wallow the mope ad the naphtha is whisk the am me fiends& He rehm t Yet la few on ow" hollorai no th er Amid be glad to bast he okainem's analog as be same thane 6s. ae On in the pima been eelleiled. og al og g. WIEN la be WI we the da me " Mil alai" Ilial Iha Mr. BERNAL said the question was one of smaidenNe eliffiwiffithlork WNW Imola Oh* mead° let ka at io aka lanky. He doubted ray muck whether the pmehenlllo Ids in id. shell hen the power of ftie el the miss die ha mime d a rer, Le peweil 11111111.• T. sops tithe elWlttlaa• mesa , eseeleee or a. at n ow e m s g one Kr. 4. eißedEN was understood to oppose the previa% IMO se Mammal ales* that Ibe allffilles al a ed. ate Sir G. GREY feared that it would be impossible to give Weill Mtn the dlmt el reindeg them tea stele el leni- effect to this premise without altering other portions of the in the county of Waterford, sad he had not seen bill ' ahhcialk oh. principle ad o , "be a very "sr °°° to P°l9°°tY uallel naked misery in say e th er part of th e raise en a general attendant th e poor-law. more SI and Mr. H. GRATTAN would vets against the provho. province of Munster than be whammed there. (Haar.) Head not say that the hon. baronet had asgleeled Ids duty. After an observation tram Mr. Anna, (A laugh.) Bat he did my, that the hen. termed did not Lt eel 3 ' B USSE " eeki he had scessina ne S e sithe ' remount the county of Waterford ; he represented the city who was of opiidon that the words of the resolution on 0 / Waterford after a very hard struggle. Hs had never which the bill was hued= were of so very a ohs , ventured elm Mandl' hr the ciounty , and in that respect rune as n m ike It very insult to say willawid F en ' to he had shown his wisdom, because , had he become a condi amendment did not come within their scope . At the same date fcr the county, the great probability was that he would time it was the opinion of the Speaker that if the MO" have been left is a very =an minority. (" Hear, beer,.. eh th e bill wee headed gave e"" is k that the resistice se leaf h a d himself e Sir H. BARRON, In reply to the observations of the was calculated to alter the poor law it could not be put, sew ___, laughter.) no-, power to alter the poor law. He begged to that in 21 years he had built 7 property, say poor law. slated residencies on it ; had e dad 4,9001. is three years - doubts as to whether it (the proviso) did not alter the boa. alembic for Dublin respecting his (Sir H. Barron's) Mr. J. O'CONNELL said as this bill was merely a tem on drainage, had built four schools at his own out, pointy coescn , not lutesketeß with the g etters ' Peg law, had setablUked four model farms, one of 40 acres, another of 10, one being now in operation for 17, the other for 9 lord would admit it it would remove a pen away di* years. (near, hear . ) One perish in the =Len if Dun cultism he thought that the proviso might be put If the noble cultism out of his way. 'Arran belonged to bin altogether, and there was not a single Roan further eantrlation ea on the point of form, pauper in that parish reaming either in-door or out-door whether the amendment could be put, in the nuns of relief. (Hear, hear.) Since the famine he had given cm which Sir W. Soitsuntin, Lord J. Roseau., and other ployment to every man on his property scattered though it ' boa. memben expressed their opinion that it would to was in different parts of the county of Waterford, and even tempo-honerwould excuse him for making this statement, so por n many °then who did not belong to it. He hoped the e n tertained in connexion with a measure for a m ere to alter the pow laws generally , and co uld not thane?* be ruy purpon , nod to himself, in reply to the =founded remarks of the Mr. BERNAL however was anxious to avoid dd . any- hen. member. (Ileardien.) thing which might by possibility form a precedent for hmt - Mr. STAFFORD explained that what he meant to say big the right of members in pennant amendments in futurewaa, that it would be better to abandon the sixpenny rate eases, and the discussion al Kr. Fagan's amendment was altoether, than by adding it to the general rate, risk both. allowed to proceed. The bon. member for Dublin asked what security would be 11r. P. SCROPE was anxious to see how those Irish given if the rate in aid were abandoned. His hon. friend, nuabers, who had expensed nob a decided objection to the the member for Kerry, had siready proposed an income tax rats in aid—(beam a It would throw the burden upon the as a security, for whkh the hon. member for Dublin bad pear occupier)—that they asked for the impend= of an voted, as soon as kg had escaped the onus of it, by obtaining imams tax instead, would vote co WI proposition. the effect • lucrative appointment from the government for a relative 1 1 loo n w dl t ds. hwas to transfer the burden to the shoulders of the of his. Mr. REYNOLDS was not =an that any relation of his Major BLACKALL.—Though he might be willing to had received a lucrative appointment from the government, psi the rate for his poorer tenants if this rate should be pro- So long as nine months ago, his right hon. friend the Mar he condemn it extremely unjust to compel the land- ter of the Mint—his friend of 2 7 years' standing—had offered M a rt; pay in all cases for his tenants, who might have as him, for big son, the very all appointment of second ea mush interest in the land as himself. abbot to th e so li citor to the mint. He hesitated to accept ' Mr. I. O'CONNELL suggested that the clause should it, as he thought his son had then muds better prospects. • tenants at will only, se that would encourage land- After much deliberation, however, he did accept Nation i n , Inds to give leases, doing so he did not consider himself under any whatever to the government, or to government influence, or and brought forward for a tempo- to any other person whomsoever than his right hon. Mead, bol fliz sg W e ie llO mporarT MEßV na lL m L re E , thought it most »advisable in a tightto appoint.He was sorry, ere "in t h e pr i nc ipl e who hed the tb nr, l er P" s ' ts uttrsdne ca gr." a elm- fore, that the hon. member for Northamptonshire elf rating. should have thewn such bad taste as to have given them • Mr. G. HAMILTON also opposed t he amendment. re-hash of what he understood had been made the subject of a question in the beginning of the evesiog by the hon. pause . : Ilk. IsßEtttYlsiptanOLDtSdultVettntowZdththattotrifththeewhamoiten amendment burden member opposite (Mr. Bateson). The object of the allusion as the landlord and exempt the tenant. Th a t was the fair he knew very well was to damage him (Mr. Reynolds) in etemereetion—(hear, Mar)—sad that was the ground es public estimation ; but hon. gentlemen much mistook his character, if they thought that that petty appointment, or samead any appointment would induce him to give a vote against had voted for the motion of the hon. member for Longford , m °ll°lll ite as t wi would prepared tet the to i mmisupport ey of the it ' 163 (Chee membersri.) Thisw ho his conscience. (Hear, hear.) His son was • gentleman by which win something very like a proposal for imposing en birth, education, and conduct; and in the latter respect at lemmatax, instead of the rate in aid. least, would be a r a comparison with the hon. member for *awl DUNNE opposed the amendment, as did also Mr . Londonderry. He could say of him, too, that he never sailed H. M. Fox. under false colours He (lir. Reynolds) could only attribute Sir 11. W. BARRON objected to the proposition, as being the hon gentleman's ill natured question to the circumstance a elepartne from the principle of the poor law, in which the o f hi s h ams ta k en t h e h on . gentleman to task some time great error, as he thought, was that in the matter of rating . . ago for being a captain. (A laugh.) if he were not a cap. 01 we not aseimileted to the With law, wcfeh leas we Lein, he bore all th e exterior signs of it ; and if he had really namder liable in all cases. He contended that it never had given up the military trade he would beg of him to take beam the intention of the house that the 100,0001. already down his sign board. (Much laughter.) granted for the relief et distress in Ireland should be levied Mr. BATESON maintained his right, as an independent upon the landlords. Those who supported the first and second member of parliament, to ask a minister of the crown why nadieg of the Rata in Aid Bill had not understood any such thee the newspaper statement was true, that a young gen intention to exist, and thereto» in honour, justice, and min- dentin, who was not an English solici tor , and had been but dple hon. members ware bound to oppose th e amendment. a short time a solicitor in Ireland, ha d l been appointed to a Sir G. GREY objected to any alteration being made is lucrative and responsible situation in her Majesty's Mint, the general principe of the Rate in Aid Bill, and for that without being subjected to the sneers or taunts of the hon. reason deprecated the adoption of the proviso of the hon. gent l eman . member for Cork. Mr. GROGAN regretted that the discussion should have Sir H. W. BARRON was sinned with the explanation bonnie so personal. He could not agree with the hon. of the right hon. baronet, but must omens that he was member for Dublin that the rate in aid war very popular somewhat astonished at the cooks's with which the hon. t h ere . member fi r Dublin (Mr. Reynolds) was about to era- After a few words from Major BLACXALL, the committee city the Irish landlords. That honourable member div id ed, war excessively liberal with other peel We property ; but it "‘" For the amendment 3O might be well to sale whether he was quite so hberal with his Against it own. (" Hear," and laughter.) It was uncommonly easy to On the clause being put, vote, where a man had nothing himself to vote away. (Loud laughter.) Mr. KEOGH said he should much regret if the act wen. to be met with what was called " passive resistance," but he Mr. REYNOLDS reminded the house that he had not thought it quite possible to drive • coach and six through it. made use of the word " crucify." He left expressions of that B this second section the rate in aid was only required to be kind to the excellent and elegant vocabulary of the eloquent aided to the first rate struck after the passing of the act. baronet, the member for Waterford. (Continued laughter.) Now, if any board of guardians chose before the act passed Mr. SCULLY thought the amendment war of too sweep- to st rike a rate sufficient for the whole of the two yeah, they fog a nature in exempting not merely tenants from year to might get rid altogether of the rate in aid. year and tenants at still, but other oboes of tenants alp. Sir G. GREY said this was so improbable a contingency Sit A. BROOKE was so utterly opposed to her Majesty ' s government on this question that he would net vote in e that it had not been provided for, a= the government was willing to ran the risk. division. He disapproved cf the amendment, and of the Th e c l ause was then agreed to. odium which had bnis attempted to be cast upon the On clause 3, Laded proprietary of Ireland by the hon. member for Mr. S. CRAWFORD moved an amendment expunging Detain, and he would leave that hon. member and the the words, " ma the said commissioners of her Majesty'sun government to settle the point between them Y to who sury shal l think fit," ma substituting the words, "as shall should pry the rate. be directed by a board appointed as hereinafter provided." Mr. S. CRAWFORD opposed the amendment upon the ground that it was based on injustice , and that the bon. This waroentlem wi th a view to moving a clans of which the hon. an ain given notice, vesting the power to dispose of I member for Cork could not have considered all the bearings the 'es raised by the rate is aid in a national representa .„Te=d. to ha elected from the several boards of gnar -1 et the question when he proposed it for the adoption of the Imes fn Ireland. The proposal of this clause to give this r fter . .... i M ol e .d he th lim ex ed emp tlit io t n tene li n u te- d a es tz e i d ll thweartslannotffietrds° mm authority to the commiesioners of the treasury was most un man should alma possess • mutual interne to preventing constitutional, and one which Englishmen would not have the evils of pauperism, but that desirable object would not submitted to. He sought, by moving this amendment, to be attained if the whole burden were thrown upon the land- protect the popular rights. Should it be affirmed, he would lords. then move a clause, giving power to the several boards of Mr. KROGH also opposed the amendment, and said guardians to elect, on a day to be fixed, the national tepee that the latter part of it was perfectly unintelligible. sanative board. If the board were not se formed, there Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the house ought, at least, to be scale national board, responsible to par divided : liament, even if they* were appointed by the government. For the amendment l3 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Against it The amendment was consequently lost, and the original about this clause, the real object of which was to place the clause was ordered to stand part of the bill. money practically at the disposal of the poor-law guardians. Col. DUNNE moved an amendment of which he bad The words objected to had, in fact, been copied from the given notice, to the effect that the rate in aid should be poor-law acts. collected separately from the general rate under the Irish The committee again divided— pocr-law act. For the amendment S.r G. GREY opposed this amendment. He thought the Against it 117-98 On the motion that the clause as amended stand part of rate in aid was much more likely to be collected without producing a collision with the people, by collecting it in the the bins manner provided for by the WI, rather than in the separate Mr. GRATTAN moved the omission of the clause. He I form now suggested. did not see the use of sending halestarved people out of the Mr. R. M. FOX was for having the rate collected seer country He adv i se d hi, boo' friends opposite to keep the rather fight their bat able-bodied at home, in order to battles ther than rawly. He thought the people should be asked distinctly Kid them to America to fight against them. whether they would or would not pay Od. in the pound, ana that it was most objectionable to mix up • temporary rate of Sir G. GREY said that the question was, whether th e this nature with the permanent poor rate. daunt, es amended, should stand - part of the bill, and the hon. gent l em an only objected to a few words of it. Mr. STAFFORD said the temporary rate could not beto..en to. collected separately—that the government dare not levy it in The remaining clauses were t hen The clean was then agreed that form, and that, therefore, ministers were compelled to o.n disguise the obnoxious nature of it by levying it with the Mr. ADAIR proposed the following clause— other poor rates. One boo. gentleman had remarked that And._ b e tit it efte u t i thalwitroeve r , o r, a wb ra en te a in su aki 6tigi vid ba en r t e to bel e s the ether rates would float the airman. His opinion was "" amount of Tol e rate in aid, if leiied separately, ii e lla& q have been paid that the sixpence would sink the other rates, and that the ou t of any balance standing to discredit of such electoral division in truth of the I:indictions of the Irish members, with refer- the books of the treasurer to the union wherein such electoral did meet* the resistance that would be given to thecolleetion in don is comprised, 'Lava be lawful for the weepier primarily liable, Ireland, would hereafter be fulfilled. Whig a tenant at will, or leaseholder for a term of years whereat not wee then *even shall be unexrdred. or for one life at a rack rent of Col. DUNNE felt satisfied with the tun the discussion not mom than 2014:aemet , t i - ,, - t i to which h e shift have has had taken. His amendment had effected exactly . what he n od as g skald cc t o make coo - e i7 a , c l e m ency i n t h e balance intended it should. The government, by the mixing up of of the electoral di created es from any rent then due, the two rates, had admitted the injustice of their present or witkli may become then next due from him to his i mmediate land. attempt, and that admission was now upon record. lord, en modeled= of the receipt of the collector of poors rates ter such payment, p rovided always, that in any receipt rsansr to be Sir G. GREY thought the hon. and gallant member had g l en by s ay at more rates, or long as this set shall remain drawn an erroneous conclusion. The government, by the in awes, it shall be stated what mention of the gross rate, it any, plan of collection they proposed, had simply endeavoured to shall have been paid es a rats in nudes the proposed rate as little obnoxious as possible. Sir G. GREY hoped that the hon. gentleman would not After a few words trom Capt. Joon, press the clause as it was the same in principle with the Lord J. RUSSELL said the argument of the hon. and clause which had been proposed by the lion. member for gallant mover of the amendment was this—that it was de- Cork. Arable to exact the rate separately, in order to put the qua- Lord CASTLEREAGH hoped that the clause wend not don to the people, whether they would or would not pay. be pressed. He thought that matins of this kind would be Now, that was not a desirable issue. (Hest.) When alaw better settled between landlords and tenants themselves. was one made, it ought to be obeyed ; and therefore he The dams was negatived without a division. could not understand why the hon. member should be so Hr. ADAIR proposed three other clauses to the effect very desirous of putting such a question to the tenantry. t h at M same e h on tfth e a d vance d for t u n a s ! e i t h e d est i tute Undoubtedly, if the house wished to provoke resistance, the own in any union until the commissioners should have eerti way to de so was to impose the rate separately, and to pmt it led that the utmost diligence was used in collecting the rates to the people whether they would or would not pay; but as —that the sums so advanced should be deemed • first charge there were persons ready to make violent harangues in he- on the property of the electoral division—that whenever a land, and to persuade their hearses to resist the tax, it war . sum in the nature of a rate in aid should have been advanced, not desirable to levy it in th e manner now proposed (Hear.) it should be lawful for the commissioners to associate with Mr. R. M. FOX apprehended that kis observations had the board of guardians a paid officer as an additional gun boat misunderstood by the noble lord. He believed that the dim. These abuses were negatived without a division. rate would be likely to be collected separately, if it were left Col. DUNNE withdrew thew clauses which stood in his I to the good feeling of the people of the noik of Ireland to name , say whether they would contribute towards the support of On the motion that the preamble be agreed to, the distressed unions in Connaught. He had never dreamed o f being go ma d as t o coun t enance ma i s t eace t o i t' co ll ect i on . Sir J. YOUNG said he Ms i 0 correct a statement which had been made by the hon. and learned member for Dan- Lord J. RUSSELL expressed his regret if he had Edam- got, m , i th• ramng evidence given by Mr. Terieleton. stood any hon. member. The hon, and learned gentleman made it appear as if Mr. Mr. O'FLAHERTY ;believed the house was about to Twieleton placed his only hone for Ireland on the revival preetise . a delusion upon th e sister country; but as the object of the potato crop. He had marked es in the evidence of the right hon. gentleman the Roam Secretary was t° f° l- of that gentleman,whichwooldshowthat wesnot a correct pose the tax quietly, and to render it as Clatable " representation of his opinion. Bat as he held in his hand a Possible. be hoped the amendment would not Pthssed tO paper from Mr. Twisleton, he preferred reading it to the a division. house. The hon. gentleman read the paper, which was to Colonel DUNNE said it was became the proposed plan of the effect that so far was he (Mr. Twialston) from teach»; levying was • delusion that ha should divide the beam the people of Ireland to rely on the potato crop, he stated his Mr. REYNOLDS observed that although the rate in aid regret that the people were spin sowing them so eaten might be a delusion, the 100,0001. loan was undeserving of any sive! . It was true he stated that there was no hope that Ruth appellation. That loan w i eitz to es pear to be a reality. the • unions could go on without extraneous anis- The hon. member for Northam' (Mr. Stafford) had tin after the next harvest unless the potato crop came asked that night what security are was for the 100,0001.; round. Bat this was on the supposition that no other re- but now there was some room to doubt that hon. medy had been adopted with regard to these unions, which, member's 'inanity on this subject, inasmuch as he however, be thought required the adoption of some other was about to vote for the amendment, which would remedy. (Hear, hear.) He (Sir 3 . Young) also begged to jeopardise the soloed= of the rate, and render correct the idea that Mr. T ton was of opinion the the security less eosin. (" No, no.") He (Hr. Reynolds) poor law had broken down. s a id "Yoe, me," became it was admitted on the other side Mr. McCULLAGH said he had not been singular in that it would be immaible to collect it separately. The the interpretation he had placed upon Mr. Twialeton's evi right hon. geadennia, the Home Secretary, was not to be dance, bat he was perfectly ready to acknowledge that Mr. cauOt in the batten he Itha by the hem member for Par- Twisleton must be the most accurate exponent of what he plellman (Col. Dasseet, bseause be would mix it up with meant to say en the math». lie had never bad the the general rate, sail iamb, reader its °Dila*on fella. slightest idea of treating Mr. Twideton with dhoinutesy, or The argument of the be.. member for Northampeenthire of refusing to admit the services he had rendered. war, let it be colleten t meislo ia order that it may nabs The house then resumed. The chairman reported the eellected at all. (A )f ew be (Mr. Reynolds) amain- bill. rarely anxious Omile He wasbeasetca thM. On the motion of Lord J. Rosana, it was resolved that He was glad the gthmie c hearty " bed milled. the house should it this day at 12 o'clock, to receive the Hoe. memberweer= %ban some qualm of __ report. Let ;them mak the:nodose, were they shinty lemma? He SUPPLY.—COMMITTEE. believed they wen, although there was no obstacle which The bone then went into committee of supply. human ingenuity could invest that they had net _pat in Lord J. RUSSELL said that as he had undertaken not to motion to retard thh bill. One bon.baronet (Sir 11. W. DIMS) bring on the naval estimates after 11, and as it was now put had said that night that he (Mr. Reynolds) was very free 11, ha would not proceed with the naval estimate', but with the property of others. He confessed that he did not would merely ask the house to agree to one vote, which it was understand the meaning of the phrase. (A laugh.) He necessary immediately to vete. certainly was anxious to make that hon. baronet and others The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the do their duty. He had pawed through that hon. baronet's vote he wished to obtain at once from the house arose in this way. gm. years ego, a gentleman of the name Tof arise died, leaving, apparently, no heirs or representatives; her precaution wee taken to auertain whether any nee h. ; ;;; representatives were to be found, and none app, tl (4 - 0 :: ba.ance of his property became escheat to the c row , I was sceordingly paid over to the Consolidated F en d e l igl.7 In 1846, however, a bill was filed in chancery, by parties claiming to be next of kin ; a writ or legalry issued, and the Jury deciding in favour of the claimant& toy court ordered the money to be paid over to them. It betas' thus necessary for the Chancellor of the Excheque r w form the disagreeable office of refunding, the present vsq was asked. The question was then put, that a suet not emit., 62,1231. he granted to her Majesty, to enable her Msjesey3 refund to the next of kin of the later Mr. Tomer the sea adjudged to them by the Court of Chancery. order e er EXCHEQUER ofthecouto ;a c id b lie wee , Mr. GOULBURN said that certain allowances had bele granted to some attendants upon the late Mr. 1 urcer, eke was a lunatic, for the extreme attention they had ;aid bit, He hoped the ease of these persons would be considered. no T w h p e ro tr ing C , E unTer ß an of and had no farther control over the moaey. Certain ants had been paid to the parties referred to before the order arm made, and, as the order only applied to the b a l ance of the property, these nuns, of course, would not be questioned. Mr. BROTHERTON said that some years afm Samuel Ashtoo, of Hyde, left 160,0001. to be paid ova towards liquidating the national debt. Had the government received this money ? The CHANCELLOR cf the EXCHEQUER raid he was not prepared with an answer to the question. Mr. E. PALMER said the hon. gentleman need not trouble himself about the money, it was quite safe ist Chancery. (Laughter.) The vote was then agreed to, and the house resumed. SAVINGS BANK COMMITTEE. Mr. REYNOLDS said that he had two changes telltales hi the names of the select committee on savings banks, namely, to substitute Mr. Keogh for Mr. H. Herbert ) and MO. Mackenzie for Mr . Forbes. false understood the right hon, gentleman the Chancellor of the Exch. quer had some oh*. tions to make to the names, he would, wit's the permission of the house, reserve what he bad to rayon the subject until the right bon. ireatlemaa had stated his objections. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he me sorry to be ob'iged to take the course of objecting to the committee proposed by the hon. member, but he oh;iieei by his sense of public duty to do so, in order to avoid the con( equence which would follow, of disagreeable personal recriminations. He considered that be had made a very fair proposal upon this subject to the hon. member, but as he found it impossible to come to terms with him, the best way of avoiding all difficulty was, in his (the Chancellor of the Exchequer's) opinion, to le-appoint the committee which had sat last year on the lams subject. That committee bad very; diligently performed its duties up to the end of the sesston, without a single disagreement cr div.sion, until the hon. member for Kerry had dissented from the upinions of the other members. Therefore, under all circumstances, he thought a fairer committee cou ld not be named then those hon. members who had already carried on au inquiry Min the subject of savings backs. No report had been made by that committee, but if it was reappointed this result might now be looked for. He must, how ever, take the present opportunity of denying tint the question of savings banks was exclusively se Irish one. It was obvious from the tone in which the die. cession on a previoae evening was spoken of, that some bon. members considered a claim had been istablabed upon the Consolidated Fund for the defalcatiots of the sayings beak', and this circumstance, third', re, took the appciirmentof the select committee ontof the category of exclusive Irish question& He thought that the committee which he had originally nominated was a perfectly fair committee, much fairer thin that now recommended by the hon. gentleman. Mr. HERBERT contended that the committee to be sp. pointed would have to inquire into Irish grievances elm* exclusively. Therefore, for the right hon. gentleman te nominate a committee in which there were only three Irish members, was, he thought, most unfair. Mr. GOULBURN observed that this was a meat en. pleasant discussion. The question at issue was, whether the committee of last year had discharged their duty fairly, co whether there was any imputation against them. He had not beard that there was any such imputation, end be was inclined to agree, therefore, with the right hon. gentleman opposite in the re-appointment of the committee of lut year. He should adhere to the nomination of the committee of last session. Mr. KEOGH was prepared to support the hon. member (or Kerry in maintaining that for the consideration of this question another committee should be appointed. Itwu said that this was a national question, and, in one seam it was a national question. The right bon. gentlemen had said that, when proposing a new committee, he thought it fair and reasonable there should be six lambs!' tram Ireland, sod yet he now proposed his amendment that a committee should be appointed in which were the names of only three Irish members. In the army and navy committee, amongst 15 members serving, there was no Irishmen. On the divorce balls committee divorce being a matter in which some persons said that Irishmen had somethe gto do with the initiative, there was no Irishmen. There was no representative for Ireland on the real and personal property committee. In the committee on the School of Design, the English members were 14 to am Irishman. Then was not • single Irishmen on the non- Wan on Fees In Courts of Law. There was one committee hum which Irish members were excluded, and on which he male no complaint, and that was the Insolvent Members committee. This showed that Irish members were carefully passed over, and in the committee before the house he raid they were entitled to a larger representation. The right hoe. gentleman said that the savings banks had a claim upon the national exchequer and that, therefore, it wax a national concern. He (Mr. Keogh) thought it an imperial memeen that no portion of her Majesty's subjects in Ireland shield remain under the impression that wle , n they asked he OM inquiry it bad been denied to them by the house. Kr. FIUME, having been a member of the committee last year, must say, that most unpleaseut disclosures bad takes place, and for one he concurred in the resolution that fur ther inquiry was rs•quisite. There ought to be a just pro- portion of members for England, Scotland, sad Ireland. This was a question of great importance. It aff teed the whole of the savings banks in the united kingdom; and whatever principle might be adopted in the com mittee ought to be applied to all savings banks. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said that in 1844 a deputation from all the chief saving banks in the kingdom met in this me. tropolis : they did him the honour to make him their chairman, and he happened to know from that circumstance what was their opinion as to the changes of the law in 1844. le spits of all the remonstrances on the part of this deputation that trustees and managers should not be free from the responsi bility which should arise from the consequences of any wilful neglect, those who were in power in this house at the time made the change. He considered the committee appointed by the hon. member for Dublin to be a fair committee. Mr. J . A. SMITH said that the simple question to be de cided was, whether the government were responsible for money deposited in savings banks before it arrived at the Treasury ; and he could not conceive on what ground any imputation was thrown en the Chancellor of the huhequer. The composition of the former committee appeared to him perfectly unobjectionable. Ile protein d against the qutes lion being treated as a purely Irish one. Lord C. HAMILTON said that the committee was ap pointed in express terms to make inquiries with regard to savings banks in Ireland. As an Irishman, he regretted to say that oases of mismanagement preponderated in Inlaid, and the house ought to beware how it did anything which might 'appear like opposition to full and impartial inquiry. All that was wanted was a committee, the members of which would be able to devote the requisite amount of time to the investigation. He hoped that official and technical objec tions would not be allowed to stand in the way of such an inquiry. Mr. REYNOLDS rejoiced that he had very little to an swer in the shape of objection. The Chancellor of the Ex chequer had steered very wide of the real question, why was, whether he (Mr. Reynolds) should enjoy the courtesy usually extended to those who succeeded in getting a com mittee appointed. The sole ground of objection to him that the report of the committee on which he had previously eat, was lame and impotent; but it had not been stated that he (Mr. Reynolds) had sought to have its labours continued, and that the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the RP chequer had himself defeated that object, by interposing government business on the night when he (Mr. Eel' nolds), was about to make • motion on the subject The right hon. gentleman now sought to r.-appont the committees of last year—a most immaculate committee, no doubt ; but still one only appointed to inquire gen/ri l e into the state of the law as affecting savings banks. Whet he wanted was a committee to inquire specially into the affairs of St. Peter's Savings Bank in Dubin, those of Tralee bank, and of that of Auchterarder, in Scotland. This was an Irish case, and one of no common importance. It was the case of 1,700 pauperised artists of the city of Dublin who had lodged 50,000/. in the sayings bank on the faith of England's honour. (Hear, hear.) The committee of last year contained 12 Englila and 3 Ira names, end what he proposed was, 8 English and 7 Irish names. He wee surprised that the right hon. geetiemi n should object to his committee, and wished to know the reason. He appealed to the House of Conundm to see Praise clone to his poor countryman, w °Ft he might add, countrywomen. It was a question in interested the people o f England and Scotland as well In the people of Ireland. They were all under the imere!O° that they had national security for their money. Newel security ! National moonshine. (A l aug h.) They hod Newel and whom t m he r. m T anzge idd P r att riove b r y wh hi o s m act ih re ere leae l e r d " kni sponaibility. He believed that the poor people might °. reimbursed without any loss to the nation, as there • surplus of about 300,0001. to the credit of the g ensne savings bank account. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was soxiem that the question should be settled in an amicable manner. The course he intended to take was this :—The first fool eames were the same as last year, and would, of course, pees without opposition. He proposed, then, without say dor_ l ; imeetto the gentleman personally, to divide upon the fifth, the Orr that to arrange the remainder so as if possible to men the views of the hon. member. noco a ntni , rt. The first four names were then put, and agreed to wits discussion. On the fifth (Mr. Napier) being proposed, he would take a division on this name. (Oh, oh.) o 1 meant no disrespect to the gentleman. 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