The Express. — London, England, 1849-07-17 00:00:00

. ........ THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 17, 1849. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LOltDl3.—Mosmey, JOLT 16. The Be r l of Mumm: ay (Deputy Speaker) took his Not at 6 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. SECOND READINGS.—NorfoIk Estuary (Aoteadwoot of eats sad pleura of aoatrkwkin by the Ram Brink Coat siseastors of Weiss" and by the corporation of King's bps); Easters Union sod E stars 11, Coaatias Bailors, Coat psalm (Aamradarrost of ads. sad power to lease, se or arate to or with the Beaters Comities Railway r Com- Tyne River Cosetrvaser ; Buhl. IRD READINUS.—Sbt }flid sad Tinsley Rind (Ec brasiers of the Tsley asil thwarter titorsho road as ElteS•141); Tat V e il Railway (Bittissioa ia Merthyr !1), Eualu4 PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. thcois PIOVIBITION BlLL.—by 1.001 REDESDALE, trona a plass, mama not beard, is fates? of this bill. OLIC Roux TM CA Esoowasorr.—Lord STANLEY, GamDerby, whist the sadoermeat of tho Ronan catholic of the poor in doors, and no lees a proponioa thaw 136. k to the expiate of the establishment. he would say that this was an enormous pindr r io lavest,b. the hands of an irresponsible body of sea. (Maims hear. The recommend .tiou of the ensani•teesteethgt! ign every el guardiaas should have a paid anis. inird to rem in the ex cation of their dry, Tel L Teen oho govessnent paid no heed. Ha oollichern to the few want in the recommendation of the (smoothen; he was' thenaghly of the conviction that to make this poor law week beneficially, and to pat an end to existing abuse, they must neat to that whM , wee the principle of the ginal measure, that, ansely, of soaking, with very ran exceptions, the rule of in-door relief the only mode of in door relief in Inland. (Hear. bear) Cahn the nat &tiled gourd wee made *gaunt the abuses ineeperable from eat-door relief, you would have to struggle with an amount of payment which would weigh down the whole country. (Hear, hear.) Admit that this rule would meeessitato an Increased number of Udell! and workhouses the govern ment, es it was, contemplated an increased number of these holdiogp, bat without soy tendency manifested to notelet relief within their walls. (Hear, hen.) It woald be said, you must re-arrange the electoral division. At this moment the boundary coasminionen were in a °audition to lay be- re fore parliament the entire of their proposition for row the stood destribation of electoral diaries ; bat as the law , parliament had no vete is the matter. Look at this maxi mum proposition : es eons as a rate of fse. was struck in an eleeteral Menke —not 'collected,' remake ; only 2P. 6d. of ft, or /as, might be collected—the union might be called epos to pay a 20. rate in aid. Now this provision was, Ia his epision, a direct premium upon the imp meant of rte beer bear )—a distinct intima. Moe ' Don't you pay your rate*, for your neighing" men pay for; you, if you don't." (Hear, hear) Without weekly petting blerseW forward, he might give an examen Iran his own exposition. Wi:hia the coon el' the hat twelve months he had, to relieve his prof y. sent oat be. neon 300 and 400 penises as emigrant', at on expellee el between 1,8001. and 1,4001.; thus relieving his own ow= the electoral division, and the union . New he held band a Bet of 375 persons who had been tuned out from a seighboaring teectoral division in the same union with his own, tuned oat without a single 'Wing being given to any on of them, and who bad ail migrated into the adjacent division, whisk had thus to pay the charge of people Ceil ing from the estate of a person who had not eontri hated a shilling towards their present oast. (Hear, hear.) They meet meet that ease, if they expected landlords to do their duty. (Hear near.) It ens hopeless that the bill would ever work b e neficially : it would reduce the whole of Ireland to an espial state of insolvency. Their lordships wer• aware that, under the existing law, the poor rate was not,the as in England, a personal charge fa only en oecupi-r, but a charge falling also on the lead. It might happen that through the default of a tenant who, having paid no rest, abandoned the land and left it waste, the laadlord would have his own stock and that of his solvent tonne seised for the purpose of anthill good the deficiency. (Hear, hear.) It was correctly stated by the committee that, through the way in which amens were allowed to run up in Irelated, a landlord might acteally find himself in the p os ition of haying his fee simple abeoebed in order to discharge them. A very simple remedy was pro posed by the committee, namely, to make it imperative on the poor-law oommieoesers to announce to every landlord the amount of poor-rate in which the tenant was iodebted, sad to anhories him to recover it by distress, and even by ejectment, whoa it had reached a certain amount. The re commendation was, in effect, that the law in Ireland rhould in this respect be assimailated to the law in England. So far, however, wee the bill from affording to the landlord the slightest relief that it made the operation of the law in finitely non stringent and oppressivethan it was at present. A pension wen introduced into the bill to the effect that in future, ialbood of the meant being entitled to deduct a poundage delnedea from his rent, he should not be entitled to deduct USN *ea half of the amount actually paid. But new be weal imams this sees, that there was a be. rate ; that the Igneat detholsd mes half from his rent ; that the hadissi paid his half width' fount did not pay his 2s. ild. la the pound ; sad that the tenant's arrears on tinned to aocursaide itatll they had got up to 20e., or mere than 20s. la the poked. government mid they had freed the headlined esta mats more one-half. Bat, in point of fact, re enema worn to be recovered by distress on the property feud ea the had —(hear, hear)—and further, by the 18th wad 19. h Mamoru, the genremeat bad introduced this interpolation la the bill, that for all defaults of the tenant the civil dune of the' e barrister Amid have all the effect of endg ame in **superior courts as regarded the lands held by the landlord wheresoever situated. Ilia land ice England as well as hie land is Ireland, might not only be entered upon for the sale of the produce, bat the land itself might be et fixed by virtue of the udgment and sold to defray the debt due from the defaulting tenant. Lord CAMPBELL was understood to deny the correct- AOt d ICULTOIteL Derraeas.—By the Duke of RICH MOND, from Somerset, complakeiag of egriealtual distress. - A Postowea or rim 10211 REollthitT or Foot.—By the Duke of RICHMOND. from a tumour who had served in the 10th Regiment of Foot, complaining that he "ad not received the amount of potion to which be wag otitled. Me,woos" 131u..—8y the Bishop of GLOUCESTER, trot a place ie Seedead,apinet thie bill. GENERAL AND QUARTER SRSSIONS COURTS PROCEDURE BILL. On the media of Led CAMPBELL this bill wee rod a third time and pewee, PUPILS ritorscrioN (SCOTLAND) BILL. This bill Fend through committee and weareputed toth• hoot. THE STEAM NAVY. Earl TALBOT gave notice that est Friday text be would pats questiou to the government relative to the Mao suy. WAR MEDALS. The Duke of RICHMOND gars nudes that on Monday next he would ask the noble earl opposite (Grey) whether the government would not re-consider the gene /naiads ral order as to the war medal., and whe t her they would net ie these who had served under Abercrombie in Egypt. and Many others who had *creed both by sea and landt He knew that many meriorioes officers who Wiest • limb bad bees excluded by this order from the honour of a medal. CORN RETURNS. The Doke of RICHMOND wished to csLL the attention et the house to the return' made by the con inspectors. It was desirable that the return. should be as accurate es Foi ble, for upon them depended many CO= rests, and also the tithe which wee paid throughout the ectuntry, He believed that the eons iespectors were the only publicoaken who were not overlooked. He had suggested so m e time ego that the Beard of Trade should tend down an dicer to inspect their books, and see whether their returns were acearate. The fame» too Mtn neglected to :give their own resume ; he if they were to give them, the average of the price of Oh would not be so high e• it now appeared to be. Earl GRANVILLE said it was very desirable that these Mums should be es accurate as possible. The attention of Me Booed of Trade bad lately been called to this abject; = theta giving any pledge, he might say that the mat mesideration would be given to it. TYNE CONSERVANCY BILL. Lord BEAUMONT moved the second readies of this bill, far the of having it referred to • 'elect committee. The of the bill was to make the oort of Newcastle saga, *ad trawler the coneervancy of the Tye" from the ear peeks to new commissioners ; the corporation Lad neglected to peeler* the river, and bad in fact road the Lard BROUGHAM denied that the trend*r was of the astute suggested by the noble lord. It was a peeps's', in fret, to troller the revenues of the expend= to new omialosioaers, who said they were willeg to take epee thenuelve s the debts of the corporate& in re spot of the Tyne. Now, he saw tie noble friend op posites who was coaected, net oily by name bet by poverty, with the Ci y of Wester. He should be very happy to take hi. noble friend's property, and he would be aeowerabie for all his debts. (Mock lesehter.) He should the• be in the receipt of from 350, to 440.0001. a per, and that wee, is feet, the modest proposition of the promoters of this bill. (" Hear," sad • laugh.) Lord CAMPBELL thought the bill ought not to be strangled en Its snood reading. The property of which the eorporation kid been trustees had been most ehamefully mie applied; sad it was quite necessary that the conservancy of the Tyne should be placed into aew hods. Lord WIIARNCLIFFB opposed the bill. The Earl et ST. GERMANS thought this woe a fit sub t for the masideration of a "elect committee. Captain WWinkler/is, the Admiralty inspector, after an inueugation of eaves days, recommtaded that du bill should be passed on public grenade. That gentleman was a mast able public officer, and could have no deal interest in the matter. Tbe Board of Admiralty also concurred in supporting the bill. On these as well as on getters' grounds he should sup port the second raiding of the bill. Lord REDESDALE opposed the bill. Earl GREY had been requited by most of kis friends to the bill; but looking en it as a question of great c p= importance, he could not adept that course, feeling that it ought to go before a select committee. The Earl of HARROWBY opposed the bill. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE supported the bill. Their lordships divided. The soaker" were— For the seemed reed* Agile:lst it The bill was then reed a second dine, and ordered to be asas of this view. Lord STANLEY coatinuad—Amorg the difficulties of the Lehi pose law, more especially with reference to the question of a maximum, was the want of a regular and equable valuation of land throughout the country. He was glad that the government had adopted the recommendation of the committee, that improvements should not be made rateable under seven years, and he admitted that so far the bill was an improvement in the state of the law ; but he regretted to find no provision in the bill with respect to another ream gradation—namely, the securing a more effective audit. (Hear, hear.) Th y must diminish the tax. ation which burdened property In Ireland; above all, they must not involve all in one common pauperism and ruin by compelling the Wrest to pay for the insolvent. If they compelled one man to pay for ar other man's mismanagement or neglect, the consequence would be that which he feared was rapidly approachingln Ireland, namely, that one union after another would become insolvent ; that the number of in. solvent unitise would rapidly ismer, while the number of the solvent diminished. Amended he trusted the bill would be; rejected be trusted some of its most obnoxious provisions would be ; but when passed, he bad no hope that this bill, whatever future legislation might do, would really have the slightest tendency towards a cure of that canker-worm of a poor law which was now eating into the very heart of !re lied. (Hear, bear.) The Earl of KINGSTON made a few observations, but in so low a sae, that it was impossible to gather with certainty even their tendency. It was conjectared that the noble lord was stating sad justifying the corn which he had taken , with regard to the pour of his own district (the county of Cork). The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that la replying to the noble lorf (Lord Stanley) he would advert more especi ally to what the bill did sot *contain ; what it did contain min orraimitly discussed in committee. The hie Wll hod mob tw semplainte—iirst, that the inquiry eft mmemiteas was an improper mode of attaining the okesat, which might have been more advantageously erected thrigh her Majesty's government taking the responsibility open themselves; and, 'madly, that, the committee having sat, the bill did not contain all the amendments suggested in the raper Now, on the first point, he mast say that, whereat might have been the iadividual °plaices of the gable kid, when parliament rambled then was a peat prepoaderance of members both of tbis house and the Other house of parliament, especially of members connected with Ireland, in favour of the apotissent of a committee, it being argued that justice could net o'herwise be done. He agreed with tha noble lord as to the import ma of adhering to the spirit of the original law by including the system of out-door relief, which might be justifiable on the ground of urgent neon alig, _whet sme other earns were provided, bet which hems. always maintained was attended with perilous eases yeenees la • muntry like Ireland. (Hear, hear.) One or twe of the elms. of this very bill were directed to that ob- Mpermidiag e thet until permanent lo:see d were erected noted . := E rs i d:i e r s ed a thearelluses. Ares; all isteltPwitmeases had dwelt on the importune getting ' ealAsse relief altogether. It was not pearl ' . sable to embeiseratArce relief entirely, but that there existed in Eageminment &disposition to attain thationsumearket r early as pomihie be stated distinctly and he trusted that the resemem of Ireland and the adv'ances which might be made by this genntry by law would secure the erection of carweekbouses easiest he the attainment of this object. He test gnat impertenso to the provision ezempting proyameas hem the poor law valuation FOC seven Time mod ha believed that that would form a gnat ellinbee to the employment of capital. 11* pgiberku fromva:i o o f us eiremeetanees, amoun poor fete wYeh boom& le pag, en ft d-tbst a greater burden was thug therm apes*, leiffea But the noble lord was ia amir. in =iliEmig there was no remedy in the bill he that. se a eines which expressly provided that the tweet =Slim as•lielf the Tate, which would give elbetnel re teelek Gotha lowilord. When the noble Iced said the las& lea bat as mom of compelling the tenant he pay half the s, be beget that he must get • receipt fur his mat. Mem.) Lori STANLEY. But he did not pay his rest. (Laughter.) The Marquis of LANSDOWNE.—Then with regard to the remarks of his Roble friend remectiwke via-guardians, he meet be aware that it wan not iaed or *vested that the vies-guardian' were to be matiaued as a permanent part of the peer law admiaimration. On the contrary, they would asps as a general Me in November, sad it mast aloe be rasallastad that they were acting under the rater and with the advise of the poor law comaissioners. His nobl e brad then put • etas, which was so like his own, that he thought hie noble Mead wan seating hie (the Mamie of Lemelownes) we. He, too, bad sent oat a mmilegable wale' of emigrants beeper. Lewd STANLEY said that he had been actually eheeped with the expenses el some paupers who had came frees a =:ing &Odom, after having mat eat 375 penosa ea IL referred to a select committee. SITES OF SCHOOLS BILL. This bill was reed a thirst time sad pared. TURNPIKE TRUSTS UNION BILL. The amendments of the Commons to this bill were Dined to. ATTORNEYS AND SOLICITORS BILL. This bill went through a committee. POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL. Oa the motion that the house do go into committee on this bill, Lord STANLEY regarded the bill with great regret and disappointment He did not mean to say that there were not Is it some trifling emecdatioas of the priest aye tem, bat es a whole, the measure, notwithstanding the time with bad been occupied epos it, sod the attention which had been bestowed upon it, was Tate isedequate to deal with aay of the existing grimaces of the system, or to make ths system better than it was now. (Hear, hear.) In the comencesseut of the session, the goverment, notwith standing the decided objection of many member of either house, effected the appointment of commit tees in the two home of parliament, to esquire into the subject of the poor law in Ireland. Ha wee apprehensive at the time, of that which had actually occurred. namely, that the labour of the sommittse would be extended over so large a portion of the sessioa that when the period arrived for legislation it would be found impos sible to carry out the rescommentlations of the committees, sad he had expressed the opinion which he folly retained, that a question of each infinite important* ought to be dealt with by the governmeet, as a gownsman in its own respossibillty, and ern the means of information which the t bad so largely at their coasted. (Hear, hear.) mr.:,:bean the actual coma pursued as ta the amend. most of this poor law ? Had the framers of this bill followed the recommendation of the eneamittees ? Had they acted es their judgment with mission to the different points ? lied they seas dealt at all with these objects which the somitteee toad them were most important ? Had they not, ea the seamy, gem la several imams altogether maim the tmemwealladene of the committee? (Hoer, hem.) There wee the tandem of s rate in aideumiak( _ever all belled; spat ilk gaieties the committer of the Mem of Commens eirtaloly deckled is amour of the views; hst it was an of —hats &deism THOM Cr a ms:it bersigg if say evidence et ail. The stiamillee w ßime of Look took a different mere: They lissal Misses is greet detail, and after hearing Mama *em Malaise to ffietrier, just sin the LAW sem les dahlia ad men to the sate is sid. as es is je. Mo Mersa ma eppoodee, end es set the ebjeist es matemplateL (Hear, hear.) =ate as Jett mademeatka el the goveramet masers let it le mandered. meassied hem s seismikee emulated by the govemmeat bait, belmery mamba of wad* with die empties et mesh membres et the es were Imes it, voted mime the peopeelliess Hem; beer.) Yet, despite the deliberate sad name *Wawa of the soar won sk . ..l3l%lated W aredise the wattleate dm= mug ilerMg the rate is aid apes the of Their Tanderelys, whoa the 1111181101111 mme to from 'Ms other bows, 11101 i It declined to tehe apes theareives the sir starviog the pespb Irked, which was solemnly pat before them m the ale eltersatim etcesepting the maim (Hem) He Whet at the bill Were lika. to me whether the amereat rommeadatiess wiled the emmittoe, after doss tamed. geksa, and eserninatien of evidence had made wen be bead that anima, meet is :permit reeemmen 'enly two err three had Den at ail Meads& to. (dm, hoer.). He trued sableote wheily pima era to erbieh sesewitese hod samba the deepest end highest in mams —Neer, heer)—ead I. ems seem he head amass slepeed, whisk mode the pemidem d the DW he mere rimZt sad oppressive thee these etas asking/am= t he mid, sad so doubt maid he that*. et the osmium Wended Ie so peat s length, that it wee impossible to wait for their report, so note sesertsia what their judgment upon the whole man wee. sr that gores moat were 0.11(.1 to peseta a meson without turlimr delay. Vint this allegation mild mad test of /shy, ke then wen nosy et ths gessame pat the ihrerned by is- Yc ammittse wh g isk had Ma premed spas the semalka it vEljlu beam the mamittes was eito tae ibut sample presoaks( east aims fit t otte n ti "Ws" si t t e hs bi alliali thaet4l/ NW dedt et Mk; the qesetiseL may, at Ow attest sad GEPSIIO9 aft smilhip lll"l et m moat ind pe est nee. . (Hear, him) =id bad sa g, wh itrevis isgi, have sa aces et the memos pas eedery preemie es st the e wa y tiblisk seat of the odd* poor law solaiddreeka is Woad. He hold he Ids hued •ri slam et et the per kw is Woad be Om *Mies ast i r .° Mardi leek sad he Mad lase the Mal as was 10,0001. • sad MOW were spiked to the Mk( The Marquis of LANSDOWNE—Bat the bid yeevidod a moody for that very ear ; ke these woes thedoer& divides where sea pram provides bate= tomer* *sellable der their iselatomeoe ; she item see Moly that 376 parts eel* bat, ems wpm la se* Moats property, withoot hie Wag able to rands wham they woo ker. He did not *ow *at rare was say ether cr ibi : L a obi* it was Marred he his to eddies their Se„ *wet" toulleiloodiberomil sew mew sew the dirooka of Sie dirk rosollorre that tee sYeiiofthebMwassaMnee to remedy ell dr Moses wiM tribe odd fs the Illok pre law, bee to eardolotor sash romedies mod se ea a review of the ri ders beide rook dry V* fa appiyin, regyber thorsolvel a Owen lay Mare ark% of soddiedsa. With romper to ebo quo. =1: bodbeisi. M be IMI* it weld be advbsble to ap prollooset rim hook le Ike dividon of WWl* edit% *ler cosatheradr• .pt eired by tie meet da a s orb, *to !,vales the bouncloriee, R. fee as peg*, NON view. Bat to p . hither than that, mad to make them ex- I 6. 04 Da coincident with vao estates. would, in his opinion. I la vrodnetive of greaOrtreU'arld ealgaity„ (Hive; knir.),,, The Air) efiIIOSSK aid to WIIII "reprised at the s.ate- 1 ti i i t net th c a ble marquis that the toaerilitsienerg wog I salons to R out ear slier in agtry Tiossible way: ilse- I ass In tb‘ a nionstown' Union he hum that for rut a Ilia mos be pooraw ecianrissieinshal ban prussic on the guardlins of that union , d i r ectl y end ind irec t ly , to give out-door relief. But up to that moment the gusedians had misted effectually, and be was are the condition of the poor, and certainly that of tho eate-payen, was better than if they had yielded to that pressure. Lord BEBBSDALB 'objected to the bill strongly on the ground that it was more and more • departure from the principles of the English poor law. The house then went into committee. On clause one, imposing • maximum, Lord MON CHAOLB moved the minion of the clause. In proposing • maximum, the government bed overturned the recommendations of the committee. He believed a maximum to be irrational and indehnsible in principle, end that if it was propos. dto • apply it in England, it would not have any supporters amongst their lordships. He now caned on them to do the same justice to Ireland. Earl FORTESCUB thought that the great bulk of evi dence given before the committee was in favour of the general principle of • maximum, but on the basis of a fair and ea. form valuation. He proposed • resolution to that effect, which it is true did not receive any support, but he did not collect from that, that the opinion of the committee wee opposed to then nersi principle of a maximum. The Earl of WICKLOW said he opposed the general ?Stair& of • maximum in committee because he thought it sraeonalable with the principle of • poor law, but now that the House of Commons, who were the guardi ans of the pub- lie puree, bad ant up the bill with a maximum, it wee a virtual admission that in case the maximum was not suffi cient, they would supply any &Scanty that might arise. The matter, therefor*, stood differently before the house from what it did when before the committee. He ' thought the principle of the bill vicious, end he could not, *setae, sanction it by his vote. If the ant ektes was adopted, the union rate-in-aid should not be Oen ' cloned, but his opinion was that both clauses ought to be omitted. The Berl of BTRADBROMB said that the reasons as , signed in support of the bill were, first, that it would emu- ; rage the purchase or Mester of land in Inland; and, secondly, that it would have the effect of demesne' peoperiem. Mis opinion was, that it would have the effect of increasing pauperism and diminishing the inducements to purchase land in that country. fie was convinced the effect of the establishment of the proposed maximum rate would be to pauperise the whole land. It would be holding out is I ducements to persons to sublet their lands, at high rents, to pauper tenants, knowing that they might evade the payment of the rates altogether. lie totally disapproved of the pro ' posed maximum rate, and believed that the more the Irish poor laws were assimilated to those in England, the better. The Marquis of CLAN RICARDB said it surely WAS com petent to their lordships to object to the suggestions of any committee, unless it was to be supposed that they had dele gated to is the fitnations of that house. There wee no such power debt_palled to the committee, and no step bad been taken In amedenos with their - opinions upon this subject, either by the goverment or by pi:linnet. If their lordships were to be suppcsed as delegating their functions to the com mittee, mad that the house was consequently bound to adopt their opiaiens, epee the same principle the committee might be supposed to delegate their opinions to the witnesses examined bgr show and be obliged to adopt their suggeqions. Theirismialps would at once see how absurd that would be. At all events, it was stated before the committee that the sMablishment of a maximum rate would be attended with the mest beneficial effects upon property in Ireland, and he w w: ei srepored to show it would. In the first isolates, it undoubtedly increase the number of purchasers; it there wee no other reason than that they would be ebbs to ascertain exactly the extent of their liabilities for those rates. It had been said it would be better to assimilate the laws in Ireland to them la this country. Bat the total die parity that existed in the circumstances of both countries could not be forgotten. The introduction of the maxi mum rate could not make matters worse at all events. It would very probably produce the most desirable results respecting purchasers or land, as they Would be enabled to ascertain exactly the extent of their liabilities for poor ' rates. Be, therefore, trusted their lordships would adopt the clauses objected to. Berl FITZWII.LIAM said his noble friend behind him bad stated that he was not disposed to oppose the bill, as its introduction was well iatended. That was no reason for not opposing it, for their lord.hips would no doubt admit that that as well as the other house of parliament was " paved with good intentions." (A laugh.) It he was assured that, after the maximum rate was exhausted, the poor were to be maintained out of other sources, he could andentand it. t Bat, until he had got that assurance, or some specific war t am on the subject, he could not give his assent to the first t and second clauses. On clause 15 being proposed, which clause provided that the valuation of land Leaned for the poor', rate was not to be increased on account of any improvements which might have been made, Lord MONTEAGLE proposed that instead of the words " any agricultural improvements," it should be "any per maneat agricultural improvement made in &conduite with an act called The Lands Improvement Act." The clause with the proposed amendment was understood to be agreed to. Os clause 16 being proposed, Lord MONTEAGLE said that clause 16, and clauses 17, 13, and 19, which were intimately connected with clause 16, were very important clauses, and no part of the bill required more attention from their lerdships. Their lordships were aware that in England and Ireland thecae, was different with regard to the party liable for the poop-rate. In England, the occupier of the land was liable, in Ireland the lessor of the land was the party who could be made to pay. A prin ciple was introduced by the clauses of which he complained with regard to the recovery of poor's rates in Ireland, which was contrary to the intentions of the (tauten of the law. Where a party was to be proceeded against for poor's rates in Ireland, according to these clauses the decree of the assistant barrister, by being registered in Dublin, had the effect of • judgment. Toe party who generally suffered was the landlord who, besides losing his rent, had to pay the poor's rates. The means recommended by a committee of the it l rdships, by which the rates were to be obtained was by a distress and sale, and then proceeding before the assist ant barrister, and from him appealing to the judge of nem Re thought it extremely unfair that the decree of the assist ant barrister should have the efft ct of a judgment by merely being registered in Dublin. He, therefore, proposed that the clauses 16, 17, 16, and 19 should be left out, end a clause or clauses, giving a power of appeal to a superior court, from the decree of the assistant banister, substituted for them. Lord CAMPBELL said that his noble friend was under a mistake in believing as he did that, by the clauses to which he objected, any action could be brought against a party not liable for the poor rate. Lord MONTEAGLE briefly replied. Lord STANLEY said the clause was wholly in contradic tion with the recommendation of the Lords' committee, and was of a character to enoounge the most vexatious, arbitrary, and oppressive measures. The Earl of ST. GERMANS contended that the landlord, not being the person rated, could not be charged with arrears of rate. It was out of the question to suppose that parlia ment ever intended a man should be liable for a debt not hie own, and owls, moreover, by a tenant who has actually de frauded him of Isis rut. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said it was quite clear that there was no instance of a landlord being personally pursued in a superier court for a debt incurred by a runa way tenant. The Earl of LUCAN said that a landlord might not be liable for • rate unpaid by a runaway tenant until a new rate was struck, but than the arrears were added to the new rate, and charged against the landlord as present occupier. Lord CAMPBELL said he should be ready to support any distinct proposition for exempting the landlord in Ireland from the payment of rates due by a runaway tenant—a liability menifeady heart—but the clause under consideration applied to the law as it stood. Lord BEAUMONT had no objection to the most stringent means of recovering debts., provided the parties punned were the parties who kid primarily incurred the debt, but he wholly protested against the pauperising monstrosity of saddling the landlord's estate with a judgment debt in curred by a runaway tenant, the debt, moreover, being one which the law entirely disables him from preventing the in canines of in the first instance. (Hear, hear.) Lord LUCAN explained. The Marquis of SALISBURY said that by this act it was proposed to give powers unparalleled for stringency against the owner of the land, and he hoped that some alteration in that respect would be introduced. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE admitted the desirable ness of restricting the landlord's liability ; but the difficulty was, he said, to effect that object without encouraging collu sion. The landlord might say to the tenant, " Pay me my rent, and then you may go where you please." The Committee then divided— Foe the clause l9 Against it 32 Majority On our return to the gallery, Lord STANLEY was owing the damn having refer otos to emigration, reiterating sbjsstfoae le the powers of raising money for that purpose, vested by the bin In the new guardians. The noble lord concluded by repaint an amendment, conferring the powers for exerdiftenresin pur poses on the ordinary guardians of the poor imam& of the vice-guardians. After a few observations, in explanation, from tisirMarquia Of LANSDOWNE, in which he wu understood is padres the consideration of the motion, Lord STANLEY intimated that, in that ease, he should not persevere with his amendment. Lord MONTEAGLE gave notice of certain additional elation, including a provision to enforce a stricter audit than, now takes place, and one to give effect to the emigration clause The bill then passed through committee, and the report was ordered to be brought up on Monday next. Their lordships adjourned at 1 o'clock. The Earl of ST. GERMANS said he had heard from all the witnesses examined before the committee that the im punities of the maximum rate would encourage the pot shots sad transfer of land in Ireland. He, however, felt with the noble earl opposite (Fi*xwilliam) that it was very difficult to fix definitively a maximum rate, when it was intended to prevent the starvation of a large population. He therefore felt very great difficulty in voting for the bill. Lord REDESDALE objected to the c'auses, and pointed out several practical difficalties to their working. Lord WHARNCLIFFE had anived, as a member of the committee which had reported on this subject to their lord ships, at the conclusion founded on the information given be ton it, that the expectations based on this clause of facilitat ing the investment of capital in the purchase of landed estates within the electoral divisions comprising many of the most distressed unions in Indeed were not likely to be ful filled or carried out. (Hear.) He would, at the tame time, fairly own that when he heard the proposition for this maxi mum rate first suggested, it did seem to him likely to prove a valuable one ; and he might stiU be disposed to think so, if It could have been demonstrated that ostler the operation of Rich a clause, any capitalist might purchase landed property in those districts of Ireland without any great increase of liabilities be /mid the scale assessed on account of the relief of the poor. But he now felt, en further information and further consi deration, in common with several noble peers who bad already addressed their lordships, that her Majesty's govern ment were not yet in a condition to show that this maximum rate, assuming it to have received the sanction of parliament, would meet the exigencies of the case for which it had been devised. It had been argued that by exacting a maximum rats of 5". in the pound, beyond which no further rate should be chargeable on the property paying it f ir the relief of the poor, you must be nines in the electoral divisions essprising the poor law unions on width thik maximum would become chargeable the value of estate% is ee he es you would have assigned a Brit to the possible incumbrease on them in this respect. Lad this was true. But noble hods opposite seemed to' forget, whilst they advaneed this argument, that by the mere fact of imposing a maximum sells en such pro perty to the amount proposed, they dintinishedpro Canto as matter of course, the value of'property throughout such electoral division s. He weed much rather that the imperial parliament should bring forward some large and compre hensive measure of remedial relief fur the fearful condition of things admitted to exist is these unions (on propounding which, they might find it resales to avail themselves of some natural elements of amelioration that were probably now in progress ;1 or, at any rate, that the Meat of relief now appealed for shoed be granted under some different form and by some other means than those Fattened by her Majesty's ministers. The noble marquis had indeed admitted that in proposing remedies of the kind proposed in the clans* now before them and the succeeding one, hewed not so far justify them as to lay that they were of a sharseter that entitled them to be recognised as embodying principles ealeeleted for mearares of permaaent legislation ; but that himself and his colleague had submitted them rather as temporary measures demanded by the swifts exi gemsy of very extensive and immediate evils. Now he (Lord wbarad • e) cautioned their lordship' not to be deluded by the impression that admission was calculated to robe in their minds. It was idle to sopping that to the cspi- SIM, for example, whe Welt be induced to purchase a landed estate is Ireland. on the faith o' its being free from di liability to any higher rate than this maximum, the government would hereafter urge any plead necomity to excuse the imposition of some Manes of Is. burdens. The noble lord argued upon the dithcalty, if mat impossibility, of depriving the species of legislation they wan now Ball .11 upon to suction of this character of permanent/A and concluded by expressing regret that he felt himself boned to oppose the clause. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said beim this question earn* to its decision be was anxious briefly to state to their lordships the grounds on which he should give his vote in favour of the two chum, the matter of which had been made the subject of se much enervation and objection that *cooing. A noble friend of hie (Earl Fitswillism) had expressed in straw trims his op po sition to these denim end led gene ee for as to dec lar e that he had mellowed great alum w lading that this was album their a bill raw for hat** sale and improving the Wm of mad estates hi tinfoils d 'inland, than one oath as he lush looked he; the relief of the poor of Ire land. NOV he (Lord Loaidowne) should have thought that the slide net would have been the last man in that house net to see that the two objects which. had thil e s r put in op midst the ems to the other were, in reality, only cot pedide. Ile should have supposed that, of al the p ers in Hat been, hie nettle friend should hays been the most ready t o pm mg to &dptes that with the improvement of **land were the beet and meet permanent fe tuses at these who cultivated it ; that the welfare of the teamed wee iimtisal with that of the landlord—of the owner with dm et the peasantry apoa it. (Heat hear.) He lbw." be Enid have Med the noWe earl 4portfai the preposition en the very pound that it would inhume the valets of the lanl, ether, as be (Lord lonedswae) mausolea, as the been meth eimde.-or the mails end himself laud ad =setatapeateily elabil lie muddies Wheelie& ineffect)—that the hurdle" now pissed on Idds erg wets mashing Ireland—that talent pillio n* pressure, it was in min to hope r mid me* the distress of landked, meant, cul led alletemeseed with the land; in siert, that them bard= were gtheihrg to the dust and Myths ens from the aril ehe en landlords, sad peeveating new thee tram is their gime, (Chem.) Sorel it was te the ingors/s espied that they mot look for the greet remedy of thee Mr' teem; if It relieved the leadowvat by the sale if hi s iodates it mast proportionately Meath the Abram add the Mast,' who wen new invoked in his &them frith He (Lord Lemedemael la it ended dug' fr was elethie to • egoism diesel seems interest& 0 the ociatlition of the landlord was HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MoNDAT, JULY 16. The Bowman took the chair at 12 o'clock. HARWICH ELECTION (18n). Mr. SPOONER presented a petition from Mr. Elmelle, and moved for leave for the proper ofdeer to attend at Chaim* ford, to produce the shorthand writer's notes of the evidence takes before the Harwich Election Committee in March, 1818. —Agreed SMALL DEBTS ACT AMENDMENT BILL. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL mend Me coder of the day for the kenos le le fate esmagllse d the whisk Wan la ardor that the reselation ix panda. emmensolisn to the Gibers of the Pala.. Court Wilt be speed to. On the question that the Swine de kam the chair being rat, Lord D. C. STUART objected Is the pr!aciple of the bill, pratisild NOM ems=icet beteg granted to the Poises Court Mesmer any He : ths motion for the eight hoe. gentlemen laving the = t o ttered, it meta great* or enlarge the means of employiug The ATTOENEYEIENERAL begged toss aure his noble labour; if labour was employed as extensively as preamble by frien d that ths motion was merely a formal one, and in. that , . . theyt were making the meet unfailing volved** principles/ all, being a mere oomplienct with the staiding orders of the house. atudevanseeerser w isedi ard s s ri s t. i g u s ing ot th th e e abj p e e c i : r eon se d us itio r n is , s y i d eiti p lig ss ati tr nt ;, Tee house then went into committee. (Hear, hear) Toe noble marquis, after commenting A, resolution empowering the treasury to grant compensa on the inhumanity of leaving the poor of Ireland to wish lion to the Palace Court officers being moved, from extremity of want, should their destitetioa tenbsppily Mr. B. OSBORNE said that he took a far higher ground of opp anion to the resolution than his noble friend, namely, attain to 111011 a pitch as to require the more extensive aid and sympaby of their fellow men, proceeded to explain the teat the very inetlintion of the Palau Court was ab initio grounds that had induced her Majesty's government is bring illegal, inasmuch ss it levied • tax upon the people in the shape of fees without the sanction of parliament. The pre forward the present motion; and he raked the house, and his noble friend (Earl Fitz eilliam) in particular, to remain- Dent Palace Court was arbitrarily instituted by James 1. In the reign of Cli,rles 1. its legality was successfully contested toes an what grounds two recent applications for the further rater of Irish distress in the present session had met with in the celebrated mac of Fethe and Wagstaffe, the judges this fate, namely, that the one had been reluctant l y and having quashed the proceedings of the Palau Court in that case, and during the civil wars it fell into complete abeyance. tardily conceded, the other flatly Waged. He contended cleat a° inhuman, so But in the 16th year of Charles 11. a bribe of 1,0001. admi hes the rtiess house , as to had t been so u think lesenisj7t, a distressedpro- re catered to Mr. Hyde obtained the issue of lett+ re patent re constituting the court in all its iniquity. The race of blood ple to perish from want and misery, without the elealtife 4444 io° of 1 7"Parh , for their eau, or riteadlag a sucking attorneys and barristers who were then created had gone on since that period plundering the people and grinding helping hand to relieve them from it. Bat the desire of the Meese of Commons undoubtedly was to s-e, in the first of the gentleman in seams., what were the resources of the country itself; what the faces of the poor, and but for the effortstleman who was known by the soubriquet of Jacob Omnium in that admirable and powerful paper the / sacs, those bloodsuckers these electoral divisions in Ireland were tenable of raising would still have gone on plundering the commur ivy. Now, towards the further relief of their poor. With an intention of following out the view thus entertained by the House of with respect to the claims for compensation of these people, Commons, this maximum rats had been propesed. The he had obtained a retura which threw some light on the subject. lie found that the barristers paid each a fee of noble marquis went on to show that, after eh which some 2001 , and the attorneys of 1001., for admission to practice. noble lords had said against such • rate, it we. founded on the intelligible principle that the value of land would be ...,,,,,, The . _ A_ , T . 1:0 000 1111 1. EY.GENERAL— The sums paid are improved by the certainty that the rates to which it would be subjected for • given purpose could in no 0 ""'". `." 4 aw exceed th i s st i pa b t , tat maximum. (Rear, hear.) Mr. B. OSBORNE—By the same reasoning when a dra. Out of the 1,913 electoral divisions into which Ireland goon officer purchases into • regiment he does not pay tha was apportioned 328 only were in debt, and not in all regulation price of 3,0001. for his captain's commission, but of these was the imposition of this rate likely to be milled 5,0001, which is its enhanced value ; but let him be put into act ion. In the greater part or the whole of these the 2s. rate upon halt-pay, and you will find he gets ooly the value of might perhaps be called for; tut even in these not the the regulation price, and not of the attached price of his whole of the 2s. would be required under each rate. It wee commiesion. The return to which he referred stated absolutely essential for the partial relief it was now sought amongst ether things that there had been a compensation to afford to her that noble lords should give their sanction to awarded to the knight marshal!, the prothonotary, the reels ** pesetas of these clauses. tsar, the barristers, and the attorneys of the court, in comae- Their lordships then divided—For the clause 26 quenee of the apprehended loco of business which the Pa- Agaituit it 35-9 lace Court would experience in consequence of the The clause was consequently struck out. establishment of the County Courts. Ile found by Clause 2 was negatived without a division. this return that the knight =anthill and judge whose income from fees amounted in 1846 (when the, County Courts were found) to £214, had received compen- Clauses 3 and 4 were agreed to, as was also clause 5, after an objection front the Earl of Wickthw and Lord Mont. ration for his apprehended losses of £6O 4s. 2d. in cash, and RAOUL an annuity of £30614e., and by the same return he found Clauses 6, 7,8, 9, 10, and 11 ware then agreed to. On clause 12 being proposed, that the income of thin same officer had swelled in the year 1848 to £714, by reason of the fees arising from the snot , Lord STANLEY said it contained no provision by which moos Increase of business which had pressed into the Palace the occupier of land could obtain the deduction of half of Court. The other officers' salaries had increased in the same each pound of rent for poor rates from a middleman. The way, and the gains of the barristers and Weeniy had middleman might leave the deduction allowed him by the increased beyond all bounds. There was one Miller who original landlord without allowing it to the actual occupier. received 7501. in 1846, by way of compensation ; his fees The Marquis of CLANRICARDE thought that the clause in 1844 Wait 3°C11., and in 1848 hiss WI had mall" to 1,4401. There was . another of these 'Hernia called SheP was only meant to affect the occupier. jivedbo fees in 1844 amounted to 7281. ; who had Lord MONTEAGLE was of opinion that it would be de- 2401. for compensation money in 1816, and in nimble to add to the clause the words " intermediate pro- 1348 his fees amounted to 3,5371. The number of writs pietist." issued in 1846 was 2,238, and the number amuses tried Earl GREY said as the rent of the middleman would not was 409. Taking each of the former at 81. costs, the be valued on the same principle as that of the occupier, he amount received from the issue of writs alone was did not see that the clause could be made to apply to the 17,4381. The profits to the four barristers, rut of the 409 cue of a middleman. causes that were tried, could not be lees than 9,1101., whilst The Earl of ST. GERMANS; believed that the intention the costs of trying these causes, at 2W. each, could not be of the legislature had been to prevent the occupier throwing estimated at less than 8,1801., making altogether 17,2901. on the landlord an undue proportion of the poor rates. It And yet, in the very teeth of such a return, the house was to would be an injustice for a middleman not to allow the de- be called upon to grant compensation for louts which were duction for poor rates which he himself obtained. to be sustained by the abolition of such a wicked and deb a. Lord BEAUMONT thonght that the clause, as it stood, table system of Plunder as Ail was. carried out the intention of the noble kid opposite The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the scale of (blooteagle), and applied to intermediate proprietors, be- compensation was to be adjusted by the quantity of business cause it said the occupier of any property rated for the relief done in 1846. of the poor should have half of every pound deducted from Mr. B. OSBORNE.—Yes. But the scale upon which his rent, and allowed for the poor's-rate. the i ompensivion was to be based, was the 2,0001. and The Earl of WICKLOW said that the poor-law guardians 3,0001. enhanced prices given ter the attorneyshipe and in Ireland bad in many instances undervalued the land, and barristerships, a principle which he would never consent to. an additional burden had been cast upon the original land- The ATTORNEY.CIENERAL explained that it was ab lord. He did not see that any harm could be done by the solutely necessary for the committee to agree to the ques. clause remaining as it was. tlo.i, as it was a money resolution ' and. as such, was regal. The clause was then agreed to, as were alas clauses 13 site to enable him to proceed with the bill. and 14. After a few woes, from Sir H. WILLOUGHBY, - .. . . .. . .. . Lord D. STUART asked if it was competent for him to contest the principle of the bill after the resolution was agreed to. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL—Most certainly it is. The resolution was then agreed to. The house resumed. The chairman to report the resolu tion this day. The ATTORNEY. GENERAL moved that the bill be committed ; which was agreed to. On the first clause being proposed from the chair, Mr. CARDWELL wished to know, from the hon. end learned gentleman opposite, the pounds upon which this bill was brought in. He had received many letters against it, and if other hon. members, representing large consti tuencies, had also had such letters, and na corresponding numbers had declared for it, he should feel it his duty to oppose its further progress. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL thanked the hon. gentle. man for having drawn bit attention to this subject, and pro mised, if he should find that the majority of the mercantile interest were opposed to these provisions, that he would not proceed with these fire churns. Fur his own part, though he had heard numerous objections from attorneys, he must say that he had heard none front the mercantile interest generally. Mr. MUNTZ objected to the bill. lie had heard nu merous objections to it from persons engaged in trade, and trusted that the hon. and learned gentleman would with draw the first fire clauses. Mr. BROTHERTON was glad to see that there was no very atrong indisposition on the part of the Attorney- General to withdraw these clausrs. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL consented to withdraw the first five clauses. Mr. FITZROY proposed the addition of a clause, extend ing the jurisdiction of the County Courts Bill to debts under 501. instead of 201., as at present provided. He was of opinion that the very greatest advantage arose from the system of examining the plaintiffs and defendants elves voce in the witness-box ; and he saw no reason why persons having debts under 201. should have cheap justice brought home to their own doors whilst larger creditors should have no such remedy. The ATTORNEY GENERAL did not agree that it would be advisable, after the experience they had had of these courts, to extend at once this jurisdiction without pro viding most ample means for reviewing the decision of the judges. Captain PECHELL said he should support the motion of the hon. member for Lewes, as there was no chance of the lawyers ever agreeing to take the business out of Westmin ster.hall. The hon. and learned gentleman agreed that these courts worked well, but the learned gentleman had done everything in his power to make them unpopular. He had done everything to lower the respectability of the judges by making them an allowance of 21d. per mile; and if they happened to sleep from their homes, they were to charge only 14s. or lis. a might for tavern expenses. The annoyance which had been given to these respectable gentlemen was such u to call for the direct interference of the first lord of the Treasury. As there was a great approval of the node of dispensing justice in these courts he could not understand why government should fritter away their usefulness; nothing could be so satisfactory es the judicial proceedings, and nothing so unsatisfactory as the manner in which the judges were dealt with. Sir G. GREY said that the act of parliament imposed on the treasury the duty of fixing the limit of travelling ex peases ; the attorney-general had nettling to do with it. Formerly the treasury was charged with great extravagance, sow the charge made was that it was the it object to degrade these gentlemen. The salaries of the judges had been fixed by the Lord Chancellor in communication with the treasury, in conformity with the sot of parliament, and there was not the slightest desire to degrade these judges. Although he quite admitted that these courts fully answered public ex pectatiun, yet if they crowded on them a great deal of busi ness they would not be so satisfactory to the small clue of suitors who now found a speedy remedy. He did net say that it was not possible to extend the jurisdiction of these courts, but to do this hastily on bringing up a clause would tend very much to defeat the object. The hon. gentleman's argument that if decisions were given on 201. why not give them on 601., would equally apply If the sum was 5001. Capt. PECHELL repeated thateverything had been done to lower the character and respectability of the judges. Their salaries were first settled at 1,2001. a year, and now they had 1,0001. They had been found fault with because was charged for post horses for their own carriages. Their tavern expenses were limited to 15s. a night. Mr. SPOONER said that there was a wrong feeling that the county oourte had worked well, and that they should have an extended jurisdiction; but be was not prepared to give his sea port to the motion ss it stood. Might it not be as well to bring in a clause to empower the judges to try up to 501., if both parties should consent ? Mr. MULLINGS thought that the jurisdiction might be beneficially extended to 304 and in that view he was justified by the Charitable Trusts Bill, which gave jurisdiction to the county court judges up to 301. He thought the judges were not put Oa the footing on which they ought to be. Re hoped the time would arrive when government would fix the amount of salary, including travelling expenses, at 1,5001. a year. If justice was to be properly administered, the judges must be paid better than they now were. Mr. HARRIS said that he bad received communications from his constituents entreating him to support this clause, as they had found the great advantage of the working of the County Courts. Mr. BROTHERTON said that he had received communi cations from hie constituents to oppose the further extension of the court. He was ready to admit that County Courts had wonted well, but they should have a longer time for a fair trial Mr. C. LUSRINGTON asked whether this clause pro vided for the general amount of fees. Frequent complaints had been made as to the amount and character of these fees. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL replied that the object of the clams was expressly directed to lessen all the fees. Lord D. STUART was sure that the clause proposed by the hon. member for Lewes would give great satisfaction to the country. Mr. MILES was perfectly certain that the decisions of the judger were very erroneous on some points, and if the jurisdiction were extended from 201, to 501., it would be absolutely =awry to give an appeal against their decisions. Under proper vestrictims the juriseEction of these courts might be extended. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that this was a very serious question. A- the 'court was now constituted, there was no appeal what. vet from *he court. Applications were o9nstar.tly made rr ;be t ourts of Queen's Bench and Exch.- quer to overturn their decisions by writs of prohibition, sad in many cues the courts had interfered because the decision' bad been s s outrageously Against the principles of t e law. Wu it not enough that at this stage of the session these dit acuities were sugg•etecl ? They must be a-ttain of mom uniformity before they could allow the proposed evensinn of the jurisdiction of the c urt. The pa ant proposal involved so wide a principle, tLat, ss far a. he could, he shou:d end's. your to induce the committee not to adopt it. Mr. FITZROY said it appeared to him that the commit. tee was a. competent to give a deci4ion on the larger sus as on the 201. If the house acceded to the clause, anotho t clause es to appeal mlght be intrtduced on the report. Mr. J. EVANS could not see any reasons Ur not allowing this clause. Thee courts h-d operated well, tied he was sure the Attorney-General would not advise any of his friends to so to Westminster in preference, and defend an action for 601 Sir'. GRAHAM thought that a queetion of inch ink. portance is that of attending the jurisdiction from 201, to 301. ought to be decided directly and not indir city, lea that, therefore, a clause should he proposed direclly and substantially raising the question. The committee divided—Ayes Noes A clause vu brought up by the Atturnty-General, sad agreed to. Mr. BROTHERTON having been called upon to propose the exemption clause, of which he had given notice, declined doing so on the present oecasins, and moved that the chair man relort rrogrees. Lord D. STUART irked when an opportunity would be given for the discussion of the compensation clause ? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL proposed to take it U. morrow (this day). Sir H. WILLOUGHBY trusted that words would be bi n rted in the clause clearly defining the principle up:n which compensation was to be granted. The ATTORNEY•GENERAL said that one uniform practice had been adopted since 1846—that of giviug four years' purchase of fees or salary. Lord D. STUART said that that arrangement bad 1M to great injustice in the auto, the Palace Coart. In the font years i mmediately preceding abolition the tees exceeded by 10,0001. the fees a the four years occurring previous to that term, and had consequently increased the comp. nation to the effiders by 7,0001. He could not conceive a more shame ful way of dealing with the money of the nation. (Hear, hear.) It was on these grounds he was anxious that the house should have full opportunity for discussing the pre sent clause. Sir G. GREY said that his hon. and learned friend would take the clause at the morning bitting, if the lords' amendments on the Incumbered Estates Bill should hays been goes through. The CHAIRMAN reported program, and obtained lean to sit again this day. INLAND POSTS (COLONIES) BILL, COUNTY RATES, &c. BILL. These bills ware read a third time and passed. LABOURING POOR ACT AMENDMENT (IRE LAND) BILL. The amendments to this bill were considered sad agreed to. STOCK IN TRADE, &c., BILL. On the order for the second netting of this bal. Sir H. WILLOUGIiBY hoped that if the bill were per mitted to be read a second time without discussion ar. oppor tunity would be given in committee. Mr. C. LEWIS wu undentood to &wade to that arrange. ment.—Bill read a seemed time. The house adjourned at 3 to 6 o'clock. The house resumed its Pitting at five o'clock. NATIONAL EDUCATION. Mr. W. MILES expressed his regret that the lateness of the session prevented him from cal log the attention of the house to this subject, and gave notice, in cue the differences between the Privy Council and the National S , ciety be not arranged in the interval, th►t early next session be would call its attention to the conditions imposed upon the founders of church schools. CHURCH PLURALITIES. Mr. FREWEN asked the right hon. baronet the Seae tary of State for the Kane Departmert if he had examined a return, moved for by Mr. Hume, of all clergymen holding two or more benefices and preferments in the church, sad appointed since the pasting of the act called the Pluralities Act ; whether he was aware that by this return five hundred aid eighty-nine clergymen have been appointed to benefices in plurality since the pasting of this set about eleven years ago, it having become law on the 14th of August, 1838, being an g of fifty-three and a half in each year ; whetherhe approved of so many clergymen monopolising church pro perty to themselves, and if it was the wish of her Majesty's government that fifty clergymen should be appointed in each year to benefices in plurality ; also, if he was aware that some of the benefices included in the above return were stated to be of less value and smaller population than they were stated to he in the Clergy Litt ? Sir G. GREY wea understood to say that he hail seen the return, but had not examined it so carefully as to be able to say that it justified the statement introduced in the hon. gentleman's question. Mr. HUME gave notice of his intention to move for a return of the names of ail non-resident incumbents who had obtained licenses from the diocesan, and on what ground they had been granted. PIRATES. In reply to a question from Mr. IS. ‘OCHRANIN, in reference to some newspaper reports about the pirates of Sarawak, Mr. HAW ES said that he had not received any official re. port from Sir J. Brooke as to an attack made on some pirates of Sarawak, but that he had received an account of it from the officers in command of the attack. As for the newspaper reports, they must be received will great caution. CHURCHYARDS AND CHOLERA. Mr. H. BERKELEY inquired whether, under the im possibility of at present brioging into the house a bill to pre vent intermural interments, the government would deem it necessary, under the prevalence of cholera, to bring is a short bill es a temporary measure, to invest local authorities with the power to prohibit, upon the representation of me dical or other testimony, the interment ef bodies in church. yards of a dangerous and objectionable character. He put this question on account of what had recently taken place at Bristol. In a miserable part of that town inhabited by persons of the lowest description, and in itself unhealthy, there was an overladen churchyard, which formed the head quarters of the cholera when it visited Bristol. There were houses about it, the windows of which looked into it, and in which 20 persons died soon after the cholera made its appearance. Some ef those bodies were exposed in the churchyard, and when the inhabitants applied to the magi,- trates they were informed that there was no existing law to prevent it. Sir G. GREY said that no representation of these facts had been made to him, and if they were correct he bad no doubt that such an exposure of dead bodies wu illegal (Hear ' hear.) But he thought the facts must be misrepre sented. There was no law to distinguish between bodies that had died of cholera and other diseases, but by the 11 and 12th Viet., e. 68. a 82, the Public Health Act, if, upon the representation of the local Board of Health, and after cer tain inquiry, it appeared that any burialground where the act was in force was dangerous to health, owing to the sur charged state of the graves, and that sufficient means of in terment existed within a convenient distance, power wee given to the general Board of Health to prohibit further burials in such burial-ground. By a bill, the second reading of which stood for that evening, it was proposed to give a further power to the local board, to provide some other con venient place for burials. The creation of a local board, generally speaking, rested with the inhabitants themselves, of any city or town. by petition. But he was not aware that the inhabitants of Bristol had petitioned for a local Board of Health. Mr. H. BERKELEY.—The same thing bad occurred is every large town where the cholera bed appeared. Sir G. GREY said that the set he referred to applied to every large town, except the metropolis. PARTY PROCESSIONS IN IRELAND. Lord CASTLEREAGH said that shortly after the 17th of March, he had asked the government if it was their idea tion to bring in chill to put down party processions in Ireland. At that time he was assured the goverament had some mea sore in contemplation, and he was satisfied with the as stranoe. Still the house would have seen with grett regret. by the reports in the newspapers, that a sanguinary conflict had taken piece on Friday evening, at Castlewellan. (Hear.) Sir G. GREY said he regretted to have to data that he had that day received from Ireland iaformation of the chi meter alluded to ; be had "...vivid the official report of the stipendiary magistrate of the neighbourhood, stating Uteri?: cumstances, u far as they came within his knowledge, 01 the collision which had taken place between a large body of armed orangemen and a large body of armed ribbonmen, in the neighbourhood of Castlewellsu; on Friday last. The ex tent of the ascertained number of deaths, at the time be wrote, was four of the ribbonmen and one of the other party; but tho eiranestances were about to undergo a fall investigation by the magistrates, and therefore the write did net enter into any statement of them. Up to Friday evening, he had received reports stating that the day had passed off without the slightest breach of the peace; and it was not till the evening of Friday, when the procession was returning from Follymore, the seat of Lord Luso, that this collision had taken place. It had not yet been ascertained by whom the first shot war fired ; the result was most disastrous, and one which every person must deplore ; and, when the facts were t e lly ascertained, the matter would receive the attention of the government. Lord CASTLEREAGH—I beg to remind the right hon. baronet that he has not given any answer to my second question. Sir G. GREY—I have stated that it will be better for the government to have before them a full statement of the facts, before entering into any consideration of the steps to be taken in the matter. INCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL. Mr. OSBORNE asked if there was any objection to state the names of the commissioner to be appointed to carry oat the provisions of this bill. Lord J. RUSSELL said he could not, at present, state the names of the commissioners, because he had not yet received the aceeptance of the office from the gentlemen whom items proposed to appoint. It was proposed that the duties should be undertaken by gentlemen in whom the house had the fullest confidence ; but he bad not yet been auctessful in ob taining their acceptance of the office. . Mr. 08BORNi gave satin that he should repeat the question en Thursday. POOR LAW MEDICAL OFFICERS. Mr. DISRAELI asked if it WWI the intention of the poor law 021°4131"in to *Wont orderfor the better reamers- 7 ~_•