The Express. — London, England, 1849-03-31 00:00:00

all &sire by tbis nwio. SO Orna the bast reareties se the lase lewd elite Atissireby, for whew ho had sbe rostra ewes& AM Mat be wished was that the bore AseU as.. S., is OD *elm seprisold by tbe Leek et Qs Iteasery. sad as sweesthee tate beads of the geseassaset W provost say sea exam has essessigg le beam Maas. bees.). lir. WARD said thee his hes. kind bad es this essesien diesharged a be Hsu with geed balms A be said the. he whilst be rod the ageassa. be mid all that wee deekabie to se respeelies the moths Ind. who was at the head of the whoa hie eases nob plea. Is meet of the ebeetsrmien of Ids Item Mead he was disposed to smear. H. audited ha**, th the rule he laid down, and that It maid * Ise shady ad- 1 hand to. (Hear .) the he @Minh that II was a matter ass,ret the Baud er Athinthy bad net applied to paha- a Mho the exhathihe n suit exceeded the vote. Bat than was as latenthea of hatieleg the house.l because if they bath he amhall of Ma who would humane : thiV _heath ben steed it to the bun. A grease hewer nan aIIOOMMI themselese than Inc capested. The dedgaris eared the mast Tv/amble I ctsta mask to ea mew. They were almost wholly' km, and it he net thseght ver = that Unreal 40 nil 60 skips he the Medway. in of per should be loft wholly vaprolesbal by lend sr by seal A bees was, hasten, aslantaaal her heir prenstisa. Dot it was said they 'visit to km. hushes way earn I boned the number voted. lrZallisis i ptail eh NOM they would have a lass Alden, torn, hi a greater ever& tart. The men had get two suits insets* of este as wee eel. * • letimated, en , would hat this he mien hat was to ray lee years Irma the penal Ans. was no doubt large for the Ant year, bat it held net• be so lure again. They bad new provided a carps of 9.000 diciest sea at ea nasal cost of 1,8001. for the future. They had been iesti and approved of by Sir Bony Smith, and he behead that any pawn who mw them their enithisas held cease to the soh tioaclu =llrearolled Wilma IN the dockyards of Copenhagen pmasma huh to doo be ionsidabie ementiters ia the last war with ckyard hattalsees here Inlaid. he had no de ht, be found nastily Thee. be samisen, wee tee jestillsatisa he begin lemma his mesh without the nmseise partimaan. HO his lea. Mel might rest sr mond that, hike the whit adman ullable of the Advil ruby, such ea nesse was set likely to gem agate. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY mid that di was cote question et amount, but a Insellea whether the Meese of Commas bed say .Q e ctive *MOM her the public expenditure. (Hem, hoar.) He came to the modeelea that WWII was so each esstrol, bemuse this Mows bed taken plies is direct ilialsne• of and la di coottedleiga Se the vote el as been awl abio without the inewledge of he superior aleheemet of the hosiery. Hs knew no skeehessee mss Wady le emus the administration of the aside lord them eeese of hi kind. There am seating to prevest say *dm depeetmeat from doing to.marrow what the Admiralty Beard bad aimmly doh. Them were very anxious thus with mph te the public expenditure. (Hear, hear.) It was tkiethese their duty to see that the votes of that house wen net exceeded except when there was a decided necessity for it. ' Sir F. T. BARING hoped that his boo. friend would not press his moths to • divines, as there was no difference is priaciple between the views of his hoer friend end those of the geverament. This wee the last day on which a amen vote could be pampa before Easter, so that he must prom fez the mosey. H. hoped, however, that it would nut too under stood Isom his vote that he was not u anxious to keep within the estimates as kis hen. !Amid. (Hem) Eir 0. CLERK rid there wee but one feeling to the how ae to the lrreplarity of alluvia/ the ezprialitare to *weed the astmatee. (Hear, boar.) He believed it would dad that the naval expellees for the tamest year would ex ceed the otintate boa 200,0001. (Hear.) Mr. WARD raid be bad made the bean acquainted with that feet when he nada bie statemat sera Use ago. Alta, a few wards them Mr W. Moulmein, Mr. HERMES said that the ban. gentleman (Mr. Mune) was seldom so eseptimentary and ferboaring as ou As pressed camdas. Yet, ha did notthink that the dram- Maws were gush as to justify that forbearenco, because there was not only an Asses beyond the vote, which all agreed there should aot be, bet also because the Board of Admiralty had not reported in due time to the Lords of the Treasury, to remiss their approbation or disapprobation before they incurred that suer. (Hear.) Possibly might be eatis,setary remota for homing the excels, but no sufficient reason had been alleged for not reporting the ease to the Treasury. Lord J. RUSSELL said, there was no difference of opi. alas with respect to the prisciole in this ease, kw the hon. gentleman, the member for Mantroes, bad inserted in his reallution the very words used by the lords of the treasury. Capt. HARRIS was uadentood to give his support to tie resolution of the hoe. member fur Montrose. fdr.HENLEY said, that the question having beat• brought before the blue., they ought, in his opinion, to go to a dm don, unless the noble lord would a insist to the resolution beteg ►atered on the journals of the house. All parties up peered to by agreed as so the irregularity of the practice. If the hon. samba wait to a division, he should cer tainly divide with Mr. R. PALMER said it appeared to be a natter of public necessity that the resolution prepared by the govern ment dined be passed, in ormisequeues of the present state of the financial year. He was inclined to think that the ben. member for Montrose did not objets to the vote itself, but was simply desirous of regarding his opinion on the ques tion involved ; end, under those alroanstanots, he would suggest to the boa. number whether he would sot Masi* his object by withdrawing his manias thin, and afterwards bringiug it forward as a Medan propositivo. (Hear.) Mr. HEMS said ha had no wish to throw any difikalty la no way of the gonnassat. It was a matter of isdllereece whether the thing were dose thee or at any other Wee, provided It were none —(her) — and, when the von was pond, he would son his nada tin without sayiag another word in support of it. Ha was glad to no unanimity, and could mum the house that he wished to do nothing vezatioesly. (Hear, hear.) _ _ After a Isw waists hem Lord J. Itosim.t. and Mr. Humus, The SPURS' put the question. Mr. HUMIL—Aut I to understand the noble lewd to say that if I withdraw the esaendment, and allow the vote to pee whim, egirwitiew, he will not oppose ay enchain' sabsequestly ? _ _ Lori J. RUSSELL haying been undastoni to reply in the aillsrative, Mr. HUMS withdraw his motion, sad the vote was "reed toL The HON. MENBRII. that roved his resolution r era shove, and it was prod without diosurisr Xr. MU MX—Let re sow say th at I hope bee Majesty's ri‘ t will seed a espy et that rieshation to every pub depitiasumeest, is order that soars of the had may near is future. (Chore sad laughter). POOR-LAWS (IRELAND).—(RATE IN AID) BILL. ADJOURNED DEBATE. Os the artier of the ley be resuming the adjeersed de bate ea the road nib& Mr. NAPIEE mid he dad to submit to the bare the versos which walla nisei bin to vote splat the mad redisg oldie bia. He wished lint to scald., the gaieties ea the pond of snip", ; ad with that view, sad he the @eke el elsonem he &raddled. his animist late two banshee, endreing 111 periera Int ae see of rating, oad seseedly as me elf twin Mew with rind to rat iho the toseetles to be onsitaid wee n whether the rateable property of we sake should p la aid of say other dies, however Midi fre hew dieccuseeted the two Night be. The staleuse Eder considered°n was lidded on the emempliss Oat that principle of retie" was eerreet. The bad at tempted to establish a eon by as hada es the statute of Elisabeth ; astediag that that Mende involved the principle of prig the vidnage to oralsauto Is aid Rom those who Waved to it. It was irpieleat to neer tis whin this ended, whether it was areemerthed is a emigres and rider, or draw the woe =g e r mane them to Az urea orris dills Units. Lid might be manned int° ON We pair law rim. The pundits of the seillshr et Eliesheilhopes width ihe den 11•9. Menet Ihe Mena Serestery bail irisiedilis or gemeeth wen tipped to the pidipla of this ML The knife pral="e i eiery will sad veil iorreed deidia the meet stirs emandeasee. bi peens et Medd dr prism et pose- w the mendidesses amid th at an et the ==le seesesery be Or _pememise prepeety of ad iris • pee dims hir the lurid end bairn end be erne who were °sly essrlandly Restione, and thee to avoid impedes it was that then should be load @imbibe*a sad ees- Li ial , lin a that the country thedi he divided rap Main tory bidet. Here was the nisei* et gide, MP then who paid rates @diciest and red Astra over the ' tare, ad no principle arid hareseshe more withZire; spirit of the British eseriteties. (Ran beer.) Is @nether part of the meet the esnannieens observed that is properties es the bidet for eating wee nomad the ty toe espervidca end enrol be must diniabbed, =tit (treks removed which were essential to to • right of the food. might them dela the prisude the ovate et Elisabeth is ainpurt et ith madam Las set lea. siesabies be Id sway by ghee lathed mid as to *sear Lennie' et this salle. Itide MR were wren wll4Ol be sewed impedes et the mew lib Ma. amain wadi be stralass _ se!ai l e =l ma thasberaP i eramesey dee itsmilmel It we new men ti=a pied* as the Irish poor -law, min to IMO piles et th e entre which theeidesed mei mirage ID Ihe limed et the := r the law . e e l whisk wee maehmene. as he as it leen be ark so, to the =AI Zriadd wathhae Wel wee awe we et in the eels nkabse, it weedesm, kin Ss mature lies Ines wepaidi M the gwernme, that it was to gm kW a win he the wawa et en =ls peeft me In mild imam ails., Asks sew Neese. The imam et sae 'Wen wee nelewhil with the whale% and they lied Mimes hew thew that suable ef a p e dation wee way andehl, net slew sewed ewer able pew' he ehennemien liability. The talseiew den et hop edema in bellied wow be be dewed, a fatal merino& Through a epodes of Irish perversity, which was set neesinaes, it had ben bead that is the north, where the she et the oleos wee at the least ermensweew the news wen astudy eider them is the sends. (Imeseter.) The law el 1147 was balsa wen Ireleme Need the reaandeamew et the who wen best amementsi with the la the et the Smile }mew eemwildenws= ie " aka lba sewn ef elm In this matey Itsd teh wlaeß will Amid Mea *be . bodied per, whydwa s e L is hind or la .If that wire the 4009 in how mash more rag ea rangy be levied en Is morale. ea Me oleable prepesty onfibit_ , when tee legal antral oral be meerebed - ley *gee who had to pay It. Hanoi said thus nosh ea the grand plgolple, he would new proceed to spook et ite pesaikm Mplibellen In the caw of Ireland. There wets two pen& en rad* Ws principle ought sot to be setilial in Ireland— Mod, bean the raffietien wadi be rajas,, sad enerraly, it grad be mast injurious sad newiee—anwies in referees, to the pool intends of the United Kingdom First, nideoped to the Wads& There was tra remarkable Wilerage between the coos of England sad that of Ireland : Is Raglanda per law was estabilehed naturist age, and raw man who bourne posesseed et property harm that it was egkeat to • certain charge. The ors was Maned in Iwlati The right hon. baronet the monk, for Tramoortk is his able • few days ego, bad made an bisiminien eel* reseed to the non papas* at peer law adomess. Lied Leasiewra had *dratted that to II very Imierhiell mereet the Irish hod repaid the edemas reds te horn birdsW Ragland, sad if there were eases in which he Irbb b.& liras net foliated their outran t with Bashed , *le wee owing in • peat degree to the feet that Enema bid. met, an her put, wholly WNW the eontraot she hen mete with the landlords of belated. (Hen, bear.) Let it as* however, be ever forgotten that the calanitk s under whisk brand wee immediately labouring were mainly the seat of the vi.itation with which God had sinned that country, arambielt no human pen rations could evertor which , after the legs. eta greater or lee time, remedy. It was aniveneffy said that Ireland required three things—repose, espiesl and Is. boar, sad peat individual exertion. Aay polity okra should asserage them three thirga ought be supported by men asen t us t e ezzolie which oieesnunged rata ought to CI: ((Hear,. hear.) Now as a matter of fact, Islet was the folios of Ireland as this subject, of; the most srailsoffe and enlightened portion of Ireland in particular ? • *ass of entire and thorough hostilFy. When tins peldnig of this measure should excite dimmest, ca it meitesniedly would, in the north of It land, rely apes Atha Idellap would be taken of the eireumstanee by the end imee would be revived is an aggravated form all eheß .adtmerat which hod go effectually oared away capita from Imilemd—(beer, hem)--41111111 against tenet against latisrast—when the rational aelfare required so sereariallv that all should be rai.ed. (Hear, bear.) As to the stall remnant of capital now in the earatry, this, ander the present aware, would very sees diem peer, -Waded, mot la reprodective labour—met la pre rifts sat In the pommelsa of feed— bag Is q j p themileell agitation a eara when poen W teen Imo destkutin by the eireenstanees of the .sentry. (Hasa, hear.) Thus, while the measure, by modes discontent and preventing repose, prevented sew 'spiral *ON entering the country, it would destroy the capi tal alreedy there, and paralyse private exertion and eater prise. (hear, bear.) la a word, let the measure paw, sad the ban and complete ruin of Ireland wee highly talented end far-seeing maa, Mr. Senior, hid pre. dieted that outdoor relief would do mere to rain Ireland la 10 yens than all the other oils she bed wand bed done in 800: the prnikeian seemed about to he accom plished. (Hess, hear.) Oat of what fund did they propose to take these supplies ? Was it to be an imperial ggrreanntt,, or an Irish grant? If Ireland were really en rate =l' the united kingdom, and the principle of local adm tioa and local rates was to be put aside in this matter, then he could set, for the life of his, understand bow it was to he treated as an Irish great. Once remove the limitation of taxies at all, aid there wee no reason why the IS. Geergs'l Cranked should constitute a limit. (Hear, keee.) It meet be, then, sa imperial praise. Re fully appoolated the value of the make : was POPend I. I.lllogo hit full share of the liabilities which that =ion pissed apes bite ; at the saxes time, let him have its rave.. tapes. (Hear, hear.) It wee said by many persons that Ireland Ind eat her fair share of taxation. If web woe lie ease, at all sleets it was no fault of ben. ilbe paid all the taxes she was asked to pep, When the Choosier of the Exchequer advanced 63,0001. out of the oonsolidated had to Irish distress, he clearly thought the question an impodel one, and it was only when the English public manifested a certain resistance on the sub net, that the government, de. pending on the support of the Eaglish members, and on that id a certain Rambo of Irish umbra on whose mown they could rely—(hper, hear)—eoseeirt d the after...thought 041111 M. leg upon Ireland howl , . The principle of trains Delhi is this maser had been denounced in the most emphasis mom net by the r4ht boa. member for Tamworth, en the Moat. Mos of Mr. Roebuck's motion for extending the props* to of Ireland. If Ireland was not taxed sufficiently whose halt was it? It wee obviously that of the Imperial near tam and parliament had no right to some sow sad lame ea =pensive burden span the lend, in order le make vp he a detaiseey ih the pawn= He would seer gee aEn obeenadems es the general raids= of Ireland. Terfeelkig the peer law and the prowlers of that wastry and the ONO of the right hen. ?menet the asambr for Trainee* hr the t amelioration if hr condition. It wee hie ( r. Napier's) opinion that the sum awassaey it, the peso* relief of Ireland ought to come out of the esseellatted had. The right hen. baronet (Sir R. Peel), is makkag the suggestions which he had does for their p ti the west of Inland, seemed to think that if • new OMB of proprietors were to be put in pos. 44444110 a the land, pranesaag means to the pepalation in raluea• ion, that would he m = rant to got that part of Ireland out et the I. whisk k new wee. Now he did not think that the bon. bersosto eapestlon was calculated to meet the dill. salty of the ease. The right has. bort. and the house ought to be is rand that the real men of the rents of landed property in Ireland were the imeumbnneers. During the years wran the foram prevailed, the nominal owners of land got little as no rent, and yet they bad to pay all rates and local Impost., whilst the iseumbronorre who carried off the rents in paymeat of their escaped altogether from every species of local or taxation. It would be very hard upon the Pron.* to turn Item out of their lands wider these Morainic* He was ggulp satisfied that a change of prophases wouldnet cure the evils seder which the diermeed diatribes of Inland were gressing. The emir sure he them eche wee by mem of a wise , whhh, sms might wan dilsed with a well- armies& system d is effect ing a nasal change a the smaition el behind One of the main things to be aseempliehed wee is limit the area of respamibility, so that seek men might be she to =Pismere esessesdelly with the evils with& =se =eon a= lass= to him. There ought also to he some =devised d &deeming massy for the cultivation of the ea well approved esawrity. The proper tillage of the mil was the fret consideration to be kept in view. The Merits or foundation of ninsfeotories was altogether a 'seesaw, matter in the soh= theameleame of hiked • sad We he must reemeli, *et i sempleg eat the =leWs in that 'matey, he had observed, whit the greatest et phew= the hearty co-eperatles of men who W heel hem bin is religion sad he pad= bet who merged al wesi esedderatioas is their dad= le ameliorate the con. didea dvents., the enb-iseng efthelehlow-enatryamen. (Ileer.) Tin be sat inns, be wished to cornet a nn wVrwhich stilted with tempest to sa observation ll:on bin ea a hease minsion, sad which was finfoklakt 'VI toM hen been to the West that pro tease* Uhler etatilbate a rate to Zama sego- Ile Oinneaght. hol arm attend say wok siationo, vat bed he env Iheenht OM Mermen la hews ef religion aught la day ape is ant the psefenteees of those acts S S f Tu t e i Y arity, whist it ems the essonso dety of &Tilden* of dam 111•11111 r to mash ether. Ia tho the patient anemias with whisk L I M e r Wet the boon to lobo le bin. be logged le nested* Mai sapressisa of new the rodeo season ef dr ea. , whose observations neatly suited to the seinebaces I. which Baikal and Limbed wave new placed " Term Ohne suet deedina sit with nod @lndio did opus ismsbare I. quo hula mat& asstri, subs =sheen. =sins, taime pindeusiene ennui no ;IZdefesisten." Mani dress home all sidesa n re .) K. K. PUL sold--ft. Is the as. of the able and temperate spank white the his. sad limed gentleness has jma nude--• spank am midi the hist edeglant I asa ear b that it is worthy et the how geelionema's owe high do resin sad woleent ability—Ms hussar has bees des by the lea. awl kernel palm= et rehabs to Make opi. me Men apes sabjeet of Waal. mg sr I with to take tile eggertanity of making nee shearntions nem having re form, le the soda enables of Intend don le the Immo. dills oseoune whisk bibs mall* et modderetism, I think the primal is the smut at midi the einsnalisee I hen lo air coo most imft he aimed to the hewn. I weed toe rim ptope naboilled by the sold, lord at the head et bar Medeety's goneesoat ratios he the pur pose et ezpreseiag ray alpinism that we hid • biz claim to sod upea Inbad to make as motion he hessall, Shia for thee tromieg Gemlike satheßuestien staples head. I stall madam to disk, Noteditterwohng the able spook ef the ban. gni bond nameher, thetwe de poem that dela en the selfenolism of Wad. I *kb we have that dim be awn of the soldwaed pastor Oat whisk we node fat the NW of tr a q. at Indeed dating their brut of dia to. in Met a Liaise whisk everted' the load. I think else, we. vs that slain partly benne 'Maud bee aell dam her duty, by tepees, 1111 impala treweemy these aseasys which were &beamed le her upset the ammo that they woeld be repaid. The hon. and bona geatisessa says the people of Inked have paid al they wen oohed to pay. It ie bonus I differ from him ups Set psi* that I sadder we are a s it ee tatified is im =, Wes do Pam of Inked a rate for th e their opeer. We oohedlnland to repay to the bipedal treasery the sea of 1,300,0304, whloit wee elbowed by the lopodol treasury, for the pmess of haling the lodes welshes= eh that matey. Ws meth the ono aborts he the popes* et building the mho wiehlsasse Magiand, bat I ban not yet tweed that the reparesistef this aims* hes bees refused, whereas Ireland has do MR nod this, T oust enure, I did nay regret. I dew M=ain, think that the boa. mseabses sainttr ten pelat is either a deer are sal& ' filmy see. Oa the wiatrary, I de think that a yourtkry obliged* blends the *mid nele egos 'ad I rigid that it h= o me y beim in bosoms negisint owl often eir Woad Um los=fied, ea I oust add oust without i 5.... I obi need fir the gespedibe of do aside bid boom I though* that it !reload - MI asks • events reels.. she weld =bane huedto lommle witherl la applying mania le lee proM lonsoldie emaditios. I wean, dr, that I did set awed this ado to aid as a renedy—(hem)—std I Inbred kit Miele wlll entomb a great ob. ?esreg tepid the great, ra tkis oof 1 , se way ether IS IMINI (HoONSI °MIME RIM* tho inowle of . w, hem At the ssane doe Dal thst I seam is nub that ) hes hese by the lima. sod hanol_gintinam mod la me tempest owe se Moo whsa he Imo iniestise has beta is.. le Infant ist . the emend= of the peer law. I tent express II Mat Imbed hoe meted herself ia =see ing the lafibispeerl ups btr by the yen law. I thiak THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MAW! '34 1849: • ' , le Mad tit this was la s tietire g l low ....,,..,.....be l r=mitejl4 4 t i t'st all rim illtile ellit7ll -11 VIOnsTrni -71 97 ifir kat when . 838 ertatell ion tharmooky were ensuntheree, they ,y ere su b. booed to this eiditionat and itampeeted boars. I think i= to be nesamberedi that Asko • ported et woo calamity, in the 'sidle of * Wallas of the suet aerial character, Ireland enstaleed 6 berthas of 1,600m0i. for the asaiatenance of the pen - I think that was an wanted-of exertion ea the pert of Ireland. I beard some hen. member my dolor • former sight'. debate upon this question. " Why should we support your poor in ' Ireland after you haw rebelled spinet u I" Now, I be Have that to be an unfolded dole against the parole of Ireland. The people of belied did not rebel. You uses enabled without the leo of a shale life to sewer the out break last year, because Inked did not abet. (Seer ) Through all th eir offeriage, amidst all their °Mashie% the Irish people reasalsod true to their allegiance. and I remind you of these fasts is order to propitiate the English nation towards that unfortu nate people. I speak, air, at this moment, ender an overwhelming sane of the magnitude of the mi.& which is sow impending. My appeal ti the more favoured portions of this empire is not merely based on the natural foliar of sympathy which the miseries of our fellow subjects sad eitUee mut excite in our heart.. I believe those sympathies would prevail, wire the case of Ireland to be well and thoroughly made ?stood. But my appeal rests oath* far st romer ground that your own interests are most deeply implicated in the discovery of • remedy tor her present horrible condition. With the permission of the honest will briefly recapitulate the circumstances in which we now stand with respect to Ireland. In the onion of 1817-8 we found it amino to coraineace the pablie business by consenting to the hash Arms Art. end ..we coacluded that session by prolog the Habeas Corpus Suspension Act. I pre my medial support to the government on both these insusiores, because I believed them to be founded oa sage as comity All the evils coke which Ireland labored would have teen aggravated had those bills not been peened. I I refer to them new, sot for the toupees of rosarleg *he' georameat which ;Taught theta forward, but sorely be ee- Wad the beam of the unhappy condition of behest Iris in oh Net England will endeavour, by stone -Ai 'an fa dames to the state of Inland, to seems sharing theetu des Imposed en her by that country. The difileuity will be solved by legland beim reduced to the sou Neel as Ire land. At the pretest moment there are net lens than 30,800 regular troops is that country. The hot amounts, inked, state the number at 32,000. In &ditties' to these troops there are 5,400 pensioner., and from 13,000 to 14,000 non lathe emosta_trolsry , force, the expense of all of which h er, net by IrelaM bat by the homy. The whole imam et mss se chord en the-imp imperial erial treesury is 47,000, sad'sus mot bees ia mind that whatever reduction you may Melt is We One by Wpm* the social condi tion of eland is a peemiary gaba to the country at large. Now, with that furs existing to Ireland, for the express =p:s o o=r o v i lng aeler that iess: -wi ry rt i let me ask you, i presume that the setette. Mate meat whisk I Sad is this paper is a carrot one, aad I here see it mended that at the last Cloninel arises, which are held for sae division of the county of Tipperary, there Were 279 pewees la the ealendar for Dial and that whilst the pri sm Om melyouttaine 223 cells, thins were natuallyconlned Is it Mt pweas. etwhom 20 were under sentence of trouper- Welk. • fromwhich I have takes this statement adds, and I thinkwith greatj meths, that " thermos be no won der at Judge Jackson calling this an awful calendar." I can met therefore, abstain from recommending and even pressing as the consideration of the house the social condition of Ire land, and I do this in that spirit of conciliation which the hen. and learned member (Mr. Napier) so ably enjoined. (Hear, hear.) The parts of Ireland where the puniest distress exists, and where the unions are sot able to eappeet themselves, but require extrinsic aid, are &idly to Mimeo sod Connaught ; te them I add the sweaty of Donegal, bemuse It is seAmilated in point of madition to these provinces. I find by the last population amens that the population of Munster la 1841 was LIN 000. the population of Connaught In that year woe 1,418,000, and of the county of Donegal 400,000, s • total population in a diarist which ma be defined by drawing a line from the Bay of Donegal to Waterford, of 4,000,000. In adverting to the condition of Ireland, I shall take a period antecedent to the More of the food which has happened during the last four pare. I will revert to a period when Ireland was in full possession of protective duties, the repeal of which, accenting to the hon. and learned member (Mr. Napier) aggravated the miseries which Ireland has endured. Now, whilst the' protective duties were still in full force in Ireland, what, let' ' me ask you, was the condition of the labourer, and what woo the stale of the landed proprietary there t Let me refer you upon these points to witnesses of the most undoubted description—namely, those who constituted Lord Devon's ouninission, and whose report is dated Feb. 1, 1845. Now, it must be remembered that than, are not my own observa tions or statement.. I us about to place before _you the tes timony of Serialises of unriesekmable veracity who were fully osnemsant with the add *sedition of Intend ! sad I take km to keen* that *ammo on Lord Doan a Wm minim Waded Kr. Eedingtesa, Wif Robot Forfflanksid other highly hemmed mesabere of this how. The w lowni:rthe @Wiliam.. whisk I kid in their roped. reveled to be lOW le oil ask thousli weingtaral Ineeesemosia epzeV ie lsoming, pa la amiellpials et hood Owe was ase is whom la the seder et sericut mei laboursis-410 faseliessil le wake km emmieet that May ink hood. bier Ilk tally antiCtireirt In the mend volume of the scone nodal there is referees. made to a mho deammeatpropered by those who made OW tile NMI Ike the year 1846. Those porters state that they *Med the hews of Ireland into four dif ferent classes, mad that 1111119,111* Mt fourth class was merely a mud cabin with one mama They them ascertained, what proportion of the taillike& lenses of belted consisted of that fourth class ; and hen the hose mast observe that this could have reference to no date pooloise to 1844, bemuse the report was signed the Ist February 1845. It may be assumed'that these forth clam houses 'are paerally unfit for human habitation, ski yet it would appear that in the beat circumstanced okay is this respect—the county of Down-24 7-10ths per sent, or one-fourth of the whole population live in hams elks* elms ; whilst in the wont circumstanced districts thepoopeetien is 86 7-10ths per cent., or two-thirds of the wish population. (Hear, bear.) In the oral tikleists about 43 per ant., and in the urban dislikes about 311 per cent. of the popu lation inhabit honest et the foe* elms. I should wish more particularly tura of them filiniets where the great sit distress prevails—these districts which are mainly de podia. on you kr support. In Donegal I find that the number of the population inhabiting these hark ekes houses is 47 per omit. ; is Leitrim, 47 ; in Ithossallolis 47 t in Sligo, 50; in Galway, 52 ; la Limerick, 65 ; la Conk, 68; in Clare, 56 ; in Mayo, 82 ; and in Keay, 193. flesh was the state of affairs before Ireland was visited with that doodad calamity, the first appearance of which was is the mamma of 1848. (Hear, hear.) Now, what was the esmilithen of Ire land with regard to loaded property and the tenure of landed property ? There was laid before this Moe, a short time since, an sheavet of the number of estates in Ireland under the management of the Courts of Chancery and Ex chequer. I will not, in the first totems, refer to the years 1845, 1848, or 1847 ; but again purposely go back to a year in which there were heavy duties upon the in. the el foreign cern—to a year when Ireland njeyed whatever advantage was to be gained from roftde to the agriculture. What was the eondition, then, of landed property in the year 1844? In the sew of the Court of Chemesey, I find that the number of estates under ite ma noismost in that year was 874. The yearly rental of those estate was 748,0001. The arrears et the resolvers, when lint appointed, were 34,6001. oa the whole of those ' estates. Ent the arrears, when the last account was toads up in 1844, bed increased to no lees • sum than 380,8001. Meer, hear.) The ears paid by the receivers amounted to 17,34 W. ,• sail out el the yearly rental of 748,0001., what do you think was the sum expended Is *moments on the estates ? (Heir hem) Out of • natal of 748,0001. a year, the sum e xpendsl V Improvements was 2,6831. (Chasm sad a laugh.) With regard to the Court of Exchequer, I am obliged to take the = .. 1844, 1845, 1848, 1847, and 1848, collectively, ' the return doe not give them separately. , And what do I find ? I find that during these I Me there were under the management of the Court of Emier 448 MOM The yearly rental was 1554001: The mum 0 the leaven who they were flat appointed oleo 81,7001., 'Kik had iscreesed at the time oldie het -to 171$11001. Theories paid by the reesiven woe 311,14 .1 1 . 51 amount *wooded in impememente we. absdatalv (Hear, hear.) Now who is the audition et meateimalifirsi by the Court. of Chemeso send instaerreer ? Do yea halo what it mans? (Hoar, kescl I bad the—l will net my geed fortune--but the millimteme te bear ma account of what kin was from • M member ails bona—Mr. Garesn iall e al meC4 sp ice from the highest watheeities, fer he was himself a sessior under the Caul of Chomey, and he certainly soil not be Yuma by any partisky to give testimony unduly nufavemishie towards the system (Obese). Mr. Gelman said that hewn the receiver' for them esteems. Of cm, in the emit, Tippera ry the rental end VOW. • year. It had been u his ore for 21 um. arm h the meow of the whole of that time not Is. had been emporia.* holm* the condition of that estate. He was meat, toss, for so estate In Mayo, the reat of which was 4,5001. That estate had been nine year. under his manage meat, and 1881. was all that had been expended ea its im provement. He was spat shoo for an estate in Westmeath, of which the rental was 10,8001. That estate had been tea years under his management, and the sum expod e d la Im provements did not amount to 0001. daring the whole poi /bd. He had received from that aloe more the loo,oool., while' 8001. only had been esapleyed towards its Improve mot. (Chao) But even the expenditure of that 8001. bad not bees honed without oasiderable advan tage to aurae from ft There had been nothing expeed until within the lest throe yam, when 2001. • year lad been laid =V Oft him II paltr 10111144 thy outlay of e 1001. • year, for three years bad eam et 2,8001. of old arre The Sod year he received 8001, ef old enure, and the two yore 1,0001. 'ma, (Chows.) I refer to this slats oftklaes redoes to the year 1844, for the purpose of =OWON ilhauh7 — whetter or not musk a audition el _ peernln sai be of any benefit either to the owner, 1110rigmbnialMgalf the illealm (Load cheers.) Ireland, tbill. Wog Om sbeene with to the great ome of 16 posh**, mod with rega r rne d the tenure of hiked pepsin there supervered. believe, the greatest caleadty whisk almost ever sesame& be the Waxy of 'ma kind. (Chess.) These new ear pos of the smomive failure of thallmeties et oloistenee ea whisk the root mess ef the population 'shied. (Hear, hem) Four suscosio years I (Cheers.) Now, what inflames bs kat greet calmaity upon the 'mike* the of people r ni l . y Ala, is a most faithful account of the condition is which the AO year of the famine found the people of trailed, and more modelly of the south and west, In the best of Sao their existence wu wretched, and when the Amine came—when the only root !they had beat mos taut to leis to for feed betwou a mem of rottenness, with nb employment, so sasaufacturee, *op ware -left &that sustenance, end without moan*, fit alerts for the aid provided for them hem the bounty of the empire, the charity of the benevolent, and the law now In faros for the relief of the poor. (Chem) That wis the condition of the poor of Ireland, &in lived in villeges i when they wore over takencledthat dreadful . calamity. Bat there was anpther eh" . I suppose, a little higher in the sosial wale, who had smell holdings of two, three or more acres of land— their tillage was of the rudest deseription—greon crops were unknown—het, potatoes—then eats—potatoes again —then oats, or perhaps barley—often two or three grain crops in satiessam. Some of the potatoes which did not decay in 1847 were sought for with extraordinary avidity in the hope that they would grow again in 1848. They made a last effort to purchase seed. The cow and every available article were sold. Many staked their all epos that root, and lost it. The blast came and mere withering ruin than before. (Cheers.) That I be lieve to be a faithful and true sers - -nat of the condition of the peasantry In many parts of Ireland at the period of which I am now speakinr. They staked their all on the cultivation of the port*. They lost, and ruin more withering than be fore has followed. (General applause.) Now, whet has been the inflames of the regressive failure of the potato crop, combined with the operation of the poor law open landed property ? All the *cumbrances existing in 1844 have bre& aggravated by the inability to meet former arrears sad to pay the arrests of the poor rate; and by just so much is the con dition of landed property worse now than it was in 1844. (lieu, hear.) Now what is the present condition of a great put of Ireland? I take the 21 wont unions. There are 21 unions in Ireland comprising an immense district of country, and a very great population, of which this is the financial stale:—ls 18 of those unions you have been compelled— ressemeldy, no doubt—to supersede the local exertions of the • • and their affairs are now administered by vim-guar dins; who are discharging their duties, as it appease to me, Mi er je=llotand f a ithf u ll y. (Hoer.) In those union the the year riding the 29th Sept., 1848, was 4811,0081. The net amount of debt on that day not provided fee we. luxes. ; there being, therefore, for that year, in cluding the amanal expenditure, an outstanding debt to pro viOrt for of 11211.0001., for the relief of the poor—how was thet expeudienee to be met ? (Cheers) It was impassible foe them es meet it by their own unaided offsets. Yon wire obliged to meet it. You did ; aad, se I Mak, wisely; for whatever objections there may he to the principle of adopting such a course, yet. rather than su ff er tiny portion of the Queen's subjects M stem, yea preferred to meet it early by private s Men, when that was exhausted, by funds b tro i Xt e l i ne al Adis Oteleary. (Claire.) Well, the rate eol !feted to meet the impemiiture, or rather the demand of 692,0001., was only MINK The difference supplied by the British Anioelatios and the Treasury was 256,80 W. The funds of the Bridle Amesiation are, I apprehend, expended. You have no longer that segue, therefore, to rely on ; so that, if there must be extraneous aid, the treasury is the only source from which it can be desired. (Cheers.) That was the general condition cf those 21 aloes. I will now refer, with the permission of the house, to the state of one or two althea This I find to be the condition of the Castiebar union. There is a population of 61,000 persons. The maximum who received relief in 1847 was 44,000. fisecessive yeas, of :famine have told fearfully on the &insistences of all classes. Among the highest mad— ,' the immediate lessen—there are no less than nine (pro prietots) whim eft& are under the supervision of the Court of Menem gad managed by the receiver. The in cumbrous* of forum aerumulathig upon present dis asters, appear to extrication hauler. (Rea) The Clifden salon presents this extraordinary fast, that out l ot a net annual alas of 19,9861., there has been land thrown up to the amount of 11,1211., or nearly three.fifths of the whole net value ; in consequence, I presume, of the inability of the persons so throwing up their land to meet the demands already made upon them, and their unwillingness to incur further responsibilities. I have now before me the copy of a memorial recently presented to the go vernment from the grand jury if the county of Cork. They say they shou ld not conceal from the government their conviction that that county was not able to pay the arrears of advances--that that inability h attended by the fact that there are in that county thousands of acres of land thrown oat of cultivation and wholly waste at this moment—that two of their baronial rate collector thaw up their appointments at the last arises— that one barony alone extending over 80,000 acres bad been without a soaks& from that time to this, and that it was impossible to get a collector, the entire barony being alleged to be waste. Meer, har.) Now (sail the right hon. gentleman emphatically) what are our prospects? (Hear, hear.) Observe new what is the altered condition of insolvent landed property with reference to solvent property sines the passing of the poor law. (Hear, hear.) Previous to the poor law each property, whether solvent or insolvent stood aline. The neglect of tenants, inability to pay rent, general mismanagement, and so forth, of *solvent estates, did not visit immediately the solvent estates in their neighbourhood. It did no doubt eventually, but no direct peculiar bonbon immediately ensued. Now, how ever, under the poor law, what is the condition of solvent leash ? Why, they become responsible ' es fa as the nur poses of the poor law are concerned, for the insolvent. (Hear, hear.) Now, I am speaking to Englishmen. I am mention ing details with which Irish gentlemen ere perfectly familiar, and let ma auk those who belong to our common co un t r y what are we to do or to expect with regard to Ireland ? What are the facts ? Is it true that in Cork they are unable to obtain a collector foir • barony of 80,000 acres, because the whole of it is waste ? Is it true that out of a net annual value of 20,0001. in one nuke, land to the amount of 11,1211. has bee* thrown up ? Is it true that in another union the estates of Wu of the chief proprietors are subject to the management of the Court of Chancery, of which I have given you a spasms ? If it be hue, let us calmly ask our selves what is to be the result. And observe that the effects of this insolvency must go on eaten-ling until the solvent and the insolvent will be merged is one common rain. (11ear, hear.) Bat what is the position of the poor ? Every sere o f land that is thrown out of cultivation aggravates the evil. What Is the position of that barony of 80,000 acres now waste? What is the condition of the poor on it ? Now don't let us fancy that there is hope in a good potato harvest. (Hoer, hear.) You may have a plentiful potato harvest in 1849. If you have there will be a false reliance placed upon it. The end of spring of 1860 will exhibit the most de termined effort to perpetuate the cultivation of the potato. Every exposes will be saved to suable the people to collect seed and to provide for subsistence during 1849, and you may go on for a time ; but after the warning we have had for the last four amnia years can we feel any assurance that this would prove even a temporary relief ? My belief is that It will only perpetuate a vicious system—that whilst it will diminish the demand on the treenry for a time, perhaps, nothing but evil will be the ultimate result of a rzrzpotato banes: in 1849. (Hear.) The real t ro th ..... deliberating and acting is one of the moat estraeediury miles in the history of this country. It Is ne cessary he us to understand this question thoroughly. Un less we are resolved to have recourse again to that vicious practise ',relying upon the potato as a means of subsistence, canthe wit ef Mays way other remedy than the gradual introduction M eerie! crepe to substitution of that root ? (Hear.) You are now feeding probably 100,000 destitute pumas in Ireland. You are enabled to do it because you had the wisdom to remove every impediment which pre viously existed in the way of the introduction of foreign corn. If that law, of which I felt it my duty t o propose the re were now ta existence, there would have been a duty, I peal be , lieve, of about 10s. a quarter upon the introduction of Indian meal. It is that Indian meal as a substitute for the potato which now saahles you to keep body and soul together—for you do nothing more--asnoont those miserable people at an expanse to the imperial treasury of net quite Id. a-day for each pence. (Cheers.) Now this is the problem you have to solve. By what means will you provide for the substitu tion of it higher and more curtain description of food in the plate of that potato which has hitherto been relied on to se itW purples ? I believe that few will take the chance of the potato again. If you do not, what course will you pur sue between the Interval that mast elapse before a cereal substitute as be provided? It will be a long interval. Again, an acre of land which, applied to potatoes, will sup port a certain number of parsons, applied to wheat will not support half that number. Great care will be required in the cultivation. Drainage will be nteiliaary. The lands are exhausted by the potato, and are &It for the sub agitation of areal crop. (Hear, hear.) If you are then to substitute cereal {raping? Icey that no person in Ireland holding a hat of five saes of land can support his family upon it. (Cheers.) I know one single estate where there are 160 tenants occupying forms of not more than five sires in extent. Hitherto the system has worked remarkably well. They grew corn enough to pay the rent and lived apes the potato* They cannot do this any more. If you enuarage them to grow corn instead et the potato they will not be able to support their families. Those 180 fernmeareonst either ahead= their lankor cease to pay rent ; or many, I appreheed, easing their capft.l, will proceed to the Uniba Stehle. Now, under these circumstances, is there any alterative far Great Britain to adopt—has she any al ternative so far as her own *tenets are concerned ? If Ireland should come forward, as I trust she will, in the spirit of the samodment of the hon, gentleman—if she should some forward and bear her share of the burden—if she will make great exertions to pa the just debt which sh e o wes us on account of un i on workhouses—such an exhibition will make England more ready to co-operate with her in some decisive meant» hay ing in view the end of the cultivation of cereal crops. And this is rally the main point—it is not the qiestion of the 200,0001. or 300,0001. ; but I want to see Ireland taking a step in her own behalf which shall propitiate** good feeling of this country. Now what muse shall we pursue ? I am sure, if I offer any suggestion, the last thing to eater my mind will be an wish to embarrass the government. But I think something must be done. (Cheer,) Sate course must be adopted far the purpose of keeping the people alive. I mnare the boar gentlemen that he shanderstocii me, if he thought I said that the mere rehetitntioa of one proprietary for another would at ease solve the difibruhy. I feel as much convineed as any min that no single measure will be suflisient Se relieve Ireland from her &Scotties. (Chests.) Itappsagg to me that there would be an aduatega in *Wei PIM immadlate steps with regard to the superintending@ ail of those districts of Ireland whisk are the (Hoer, hear.) As I said before, you have net the advantage of local ataassemeat. You are not hefting losal fun c ti onar i es to maderlehe elm duties of management 18 salons are nigalready gam vie ht ma& nguerdleas. sumested the sorda ma&ften by far t et a essambeks ii• the other of te mine. liabeeeneat refiretien has Wnisme think that that is the beet name on can poison I would :deg are Whin of Mon liaises under one mord sod eignelareadeisce. I would haves iliellUnisairla appointed by the government, having the seedidesee of the government, comoosal of men on wham they ma rely, deriving their authority from the government (no UNA isinaperio)—(lltar, hear)—whose duty should be, with out delay, to apply themselves to the managetnent and Improvement of those unions. (Rears hear.) I would propose that the commission should discharge its duties on the spot. I helices there would be the greatest advantage If you could, as I have no doubt you could, pre vail on men of **highest tharaceer, in the management of landed property in Ragland, politically connected with you, in whom the country has oonfidsnoe, to devote themselves to the consideration of this question. If they saw with their own eyes—if they entered into a personal conference, and they would judge foe themselves—not through the interven tion of chair agents—they would be enabled to suggest to you a measure well deserving of your consideration. I would advise you to place under the charge of the commission all the various measures that have been suggested for the mitigation of this calamity. I would try to act on some concerted scheme. Yon have grants for the fisheries, grants for the improvement of the loud for public works ; it appears to me that the application of these grants in these distressed unions should be made on some system ; that there should be con cert with the view guardians. I do not propose that you should supersede the board of works, but that grants should be made with a view to one object, to lay the foundation of a bitter scheme. The hon. and learned gentleman was wrong in supposing that all we contemplated in 1846 was the import of corn; we proposed and her Majesty's present government most willingly paiseil into a law in 1846, a bill to authorise the advance of public money to a limited amount to promote the improvement of land by public works. It appears to me that those superintendent, to which I have referred should also take into consideration the policy of diminishing the pressure by the means of emi gration. We have the greatest colonial empire on the fees of the earth. la several of those colonies there is a great de mand for labour ; in Ireland there is an excess and superfluity of labour, counteracting all your exertions. It does seem post-- We that by some combined measures you might mitigate the evil by introducing a good system of emigration. I piece lees confidence la the eMoecy of this than many do. lam quite aware of the enormous expense. lam quite aware of the necessity of great caution in the application ; but there is one sneerer cosgantly made, which is thought conclusive, which I don't think Is entitled to all the weight attributed to it. It is said—do not interfere, on the part of the state, in promoting emigration because there is a vast amount of voluntary emigration going on. 1 should be unwilling to interfere with voluntary emigration conducted at the ex pense of the proprietors who feel an interest in relieving themselves; at the um* time, before we admit the argument of voluntary emigration to be conclusive, let us inquire of whom the emigrants consist. Many are men who are taking capital ; many are men suf f. ring under the apprehension of approaching poor rates ; and every man you lose from Iresand who talus away more capital than the number that capital would employ is a dead ices. The combrtable farmer, possessing some 401. or 501. capital, who sell. the tenant-right of his holding in the north of Ireland, and transfers hie capital to the Unittd States and Canada, confers no benefit whatever on Ireland by emigration, and by withdrawing the capital which might be usefully employed. There Is another class of volun tary emigrants I. whose expatriation we have no cause to rejoin ; they are the class of helpless paupers who go off because theT are afraid of positive starvation, and inflict positive evil on the colony. I believe you have in many respects remedied many of the great evils which attended emigration. I believe that there have been useful precautions adopted In respect to emigra tion ; but I meet say that I never heard a more painful ac count of this voluntary emigration than that which I find in a letter of so recent a date as the 30th Nev., 1847, which bears the signature of Mr. Davere, and which has been adopted as an official document by the Colonial-office. This is the account which Mr. Devere gives of the voluntary emi gration to which I have referred, of the completely destitute, and no record of suffering on board a slave ship has anything approaching to this : Mr. Devere aye be took his purge in the eteerage of the ship that he might be a judge of the ceedition of tho emigrant. For nearly two months before the mlgraa has been at sea be is an altered man. how ma It be otherwise I t Hundreds of poor people. men, women, and children, of an aim from the drivelling idiot of 90 to the babe just born, timid althold lib, withoutair, weiteriect in filth, breethhog a fatted atmosphere, sick and fevered patients, lyiag in sleeping places hi narrow as to deny them the power of indulg. lag in ths natural rogicamem ot Assam, disturbing those around them, and predisposing to contagion, living with out food or asedielso, except as administered by the hand of casual charity, dying without spiritual commlatios, buried without the rites el the shush, fed on insufficient food, with supplies of water, hardly smash kr seeking and drinking, and which did not allow washing. In many Aim Mthy beds. teeming with all abomi. nation, never required tole Monett on deck, a narrow place between the sleeping places, and th e pass of boxes never washed, • kotiel stench, until the day helm the mica at quarantine, when all hands were required Se put en a kik fees kr the orrenseint inspector a te voice of pnwr Yank drenirsorss imundiscoursged, it is waters to the with' who road in grog. " ' _ _ - Such emigration is • positive disgrace to this country, with its great colonial empire. These people do the greatest disservice on their arrival in the colony or in the United States; they nun • repugnance to emigration conducted on such a system ' • they induce the countries to which these people go to throw im pe diments in the way of emigration, and they prevent that sound and healthy emigration which might take place, if conducted on good principles. Not entertaining too confident an expectation of the advantages of emigration, still I cannot but think it likely that a superintending authority, eating in concert with the colonial.office, being on the spot, able to communi cate with the proprietors of estates, seeing in what part of the country there Is a congestion of population, might puffy facilitate voluntary emigration. There is • great evil in the want of full informaq m. Conceive a men seek ing a new abode in the United States, 2,000 or 3,000 miles from home—what comfort to have ready mores to • man who could give him information! I think it would be politic to incur some exp.ue for the purpose of facilitating emigration under certain auditions. You tell us what has been done by the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, and by others • that they have reduced the amount of poor-rates on their Utatesby the emigration of superfiaities, that they have increased the demand for labour, and restored prosperity and contentment on their estate; and that those who had emigrated were remitting sum, to Ireland to encourage emigration. Lord Palmerston may have been able to effect this. As I said before, I think the exertions made by him to relieve the district from the misery with which it hits been visited, do him very great credit; out how many gentlemen may be in Ireland willing to make the same exertions if they had your assistance and advice! You might go on increasing this fund of emigration—by emigration wisely conducted you might encourage further remittances from emigrants in the United States. I say, therefore, that in addition to public works, in addition to fisheries, in addition to encouragement by draining, all of which I think might be attained by this commission of which I speak, I think the condition of the country, and the mans of improving it by emigration, should belamongst the first subjects that should occupy attention. I tome to another point, to which I adverted the other night, and to which I still attach the greatest importance. In my opinion all these measures will be ineffectual, union you can cure, in some way or other, those monstrous evils which arise from the condition of landed property to which I have referred. If with estates producing 800,0001. a year, with arrears an- nually accumulating, with not more than 2,0001. of the whole rental applied to the permanent improvement of 1 the estates ; if there an certain principles entertained by the Court: of Chancery which oppose an insuperable ob stacle to any improvement in that respect, then it is my firm belief, that it would be of inestimable advantage to every solvent estate—of great advantage to the nominal owner, the incumbrancer—of advantage to everybody except the receiver of the Court of Chancery and the lawyers, who are dividing the profita—(cheers and laughter)—that consistently with right dealing towards the proprietors of the property, you could relieve them estates, and permit them to be culti vated by men with capita, free from ineumbrances, with new hope; and new vigour. In my opinion you would do more by that act for the advancement of Ireland than by any other that you could at present suggest—l will just contrast with the hopeless condition of some puts of Ireland on account of she ex , eat of these ineumbraitees—l will read to the house a letter of a very humble man, relating what he had done in Ireland. although having no ecenexion in that nun try, and undertaking • settlement in a remote cof Ireland, but briefing capital enough for ultivation eif the lands. It is on a small scale, but if you will devise measures which will enable • man usefully and securely to follow this man's example, you may judge of what may be done- This is 4 WSW from • Lancashire man who gives an account of an undertaking to which he had been &party on the west-coast of Ireland. He says : " I had taken in perpetuity, a lease on the westuoast of Ireland." (Hear, hear.) He had planted few of his sone there. To encourage habits of industry one we. bayiag all the stock brought to him to send to England. Another purchased a weal of 23 tans, and endeavoured to room- Mir fishing on the emit; washer was employing last year upwards of 100 labourers, but cm amount of befog heavily taxed for his fre provements, he had turned them off. Meer, hear.) hoes that dal send you a letter which weis never ifted.W to be seen. It is ted the len Ibizen. This is the smug Ideals the son gives of his ge" t it this rionatry, will& we suppose to be so wild and savage. The more I lea, the more lan eouvineed that this coun try be. the best prospects el any piece I know of. There is every de sideratum for the enjoyment of• cententsd end presperows Ilk I see no reason why any persons should set support themselves entirely oa the endow of their lands here. Of beef, wortioa, and taken elmort tosithaustible supply can always be bad. Flour, eanneal, em., should come of the farm. A thandierh shop alsoold sever be known—ta rut, rosaries and something for elothing should be the on,y expenditure eta person in this country. For the yearly stun o si. esough fuel mr, ba obtained to superfluity; and as to vegetables, any plant ` es eeing" under that denomination will flourish here with ordinary Which is the beet means of encouraging the improvement of abates, exertions like thew or estates left to the management et the Court of Chancery? I mentioned before, the manage 'meat of property, to a certain extent, by the commission of which I speak. No man has lees eciddenee than I have in the money of such an nedertaking. So far from advising this commission to enter upon the employment of unprofit able labour, I think such a can/minion, if it were appointed, ought to have for the principal end of its appointment, to re vert to the principle of 1839, and to make the workhouse the tend destitution. I do not believe there can be any other test. (Hoer.) I have not the slightest confidence in a labour rate. I have confidence in enco local improvements where there is reproductive labour , il tut I have not the slightest confidence in making labour the test of destitution, and I believe if the funds of Great Britain were applied to support the destitute in Ireland, even attaching labour as the condi tion of relief, you would do the greatest mischief; that your test could not be effective ; but that there would be such an interference a ith the ordinary labour market as to involve all in one common destitution ; but seeing the loss es to the sub stitution of eereal food, I cannot say I should be adverse altogether to such an undertaking se should set an example of improved cultivation. I am told that the Lard-Lientseant hes done ;twat good by enoperating lectures. Wiry not undertake them on a great scale ? Yon can reconcile the nation of the management of estates by • government commission. What did you do with the for feited estates after lie rebellion of 1745 7 You took the whole of the forfeited estates, and appointed a COlnnlial4ll for their maasgement—a very cumbersome commission. There were heads of courts, and persons of a different cl.sst Irom those, whom I would recommenr — i — y_ trustees for the management of these eu kt ii: were subject to very heavy incumbrara u y t not a simple forfeiture of the estate 0. ; u m , heavy snortgswes and other charges. The Unquiet/1,4 I reared to pay of the m main rtgages. The act is th e 23th 7 6 . 17 cap. 41. The question is whether this cossaurrisiN be useful in promoting tho transfer of property. advise no harsh proceeding in that respect, I see uu L7l tags in throwing on th eistt an immonse quantity party to depress it ; the question is whootheryou"" not facilitate the voluntary transfer of the plum y I LIn ehoan you the condition of these encumbered esteem Ll' year you passed en act, the object of which was to No:2 the transfer of such estates. You gave pi„ :". 1 the owners to sell. Yon gave po i " 1; I single encumbrancer to sell with the consent la rL II Court of Chanctrv. You adopted the pa w l,'" C ot I greatly fear the Y o u a d o pted of you r ..7:2 is so cumbrous that you will not be able to ftrr - r jr" (Rear.) I am convinced that if you do rely on ohs 4t brow' proms of the Court of Chancery, you will ast illb effect to your own scheme. I know the danger of fa with these established right,. I know how easy it is ti professional men to flee the advantage of int:fleeing capital; and that they are apt, in pursuing that objett. — k disregard vested rights I wish to confine myself as se principle within the limits which have been saunas* 6, the highest equity lawyers. Ths Crianal!oe, o g ee3 the highest authorities in matters relating t o equity jattui tion, need these words s tr to Irish es rates , and ea to cipbe of facilitating thei a r ansfer t holes * Unfortunately for Ireland. the landed property them, 4, extent, was in a situation not only detrimental to th ose , et io interest in the land, bat aim most is to the canatem, large. A very large portion of it wee heavily encumbered byarl. e gages, charges, and other interests ; so that the could hardly be ridden ham any estate in the land at alt. whe t r il e . was really the owner of an estate, be had both the means steZ motive for improving it ; but it was impossible for a landlord income arising flan his landed estate was intercepted b y end other charges, to discharge those duties which a landio r t 67.11 discharge. This woe a most infamous state of Un met , Another lord chancellor—an Irish lord clusedlor ... Lord Campbell—gives this account of th e tenure of Iridtpo. party; "Titles are in Ireland in a moot deplorable our. the registers are exceedingly bad, and indeed of eleeot u titles, and making them more ceetain, they A ,cerium akkh; them in inextricable confusion." Then Lord Liao* the Muter of the Rolls, says: The interference in each a case as the present is of the am tat and character as all the other legislative interferences with pea k property foe public pureness, and bemuse this interference Wo k * to as . oure the payment of debts, or the performance of meg a tion, which would not otherwise be performed. It is not al i t somewhat ant ra bjecte than the interfererm with prinei . " petty and ct which is authorical by acts for railways, dee*, other public works. That II the principle on which these eminent legal auu tu i, ties untended that you might, without any violation of say equitable rule, permit the transf er of these Potato. Y.' attempted last session—you brought in a bill for halihdiat the transfer. I have the greatest doubt uto the efileryd that bill. I very much fear it will not be effectual; saau r fears are confirmed by the remarks on it b y one altos aid; rities to which I have just reerred, vie., the Muter d ite Rolls. That noble and learned lord says: ta I entertain considerable doubt whether the notion, imbi, provided by the commons to prevent salts for less than their wiry are not only more than are seesaws to effict their object, io striegent as to impair the efficacy of the additional moons vhin e a amendmends are intended to provide." The noble ierd, yea me m speaks with the authority of a master. (Hear.) "Ouidorhe tal caveats, the notices (sometimes difficult, if not impoullists the volustions, the averaging to ,'apse before 'perfect arl allepsu. able title can be obtained, the liabilities 1.1 hr broaches of MK et the powers given to redeem, It is manifest that the obstacles a ale under these provisions are very great. Perhaps they may, lair emanation, be found so great—in many eases where there is eameg a able °mintiest - ion—as to make the additional process i and to leave to hien who desires to have the benefit oiret i tt particular mode of obtaining it which !rust first provided hymn lordship!. I would not say One word inconsistent with gnat for the Lord Chancellor, but the Master of th e Rots earth new process may be Ineffectual , and you must resents*, benefit you or igin ally contemplated. I will at last r is e I the present Lo rd Chancellor for an account of that balk This is the noble and learned lord's opinion. Rs ma •.1 have been myself familiar with the practice of the Could Chancery for many years put. I well know the peg benefit which it confers upon the public; but, at the sum time, I must own that I would not willingly enter this court as a saltor." (" Hear," and a laugh.) Tbe bed Chancellor is not unwilling to enter the Court of Clasen as Lord Chancellor, but he is unwilling t, enter Massy other capacity—(a laugh)—and he adds, " nor would let vise any of my friends to do so if they could with props*, keep out of it." (Cheers and laughter.) The Muter de& Rolls prophecies that the new and supposed simple proem for the purpose of facilitating the transfer of property toil be totally ineffectual, that you will bo driven to the Could Chancery ; and the Lord Chancellor tells you he vest neither go into the Court of Chancery himself se s suitor nor would he advise any fri, nd he Las to go iato it (Hear.) If you admit the principle that it is for the be of all parties that there should be some simple proms it facilitating the transfer, why are we to be deterred by thick emery of the courts of equity from effecting that great objsia At that time, not being afraid of the Court of Choosey, you enabled the treasury to lend money on the security d the estate. It wee one of the best acts ever passed by tas legislature—in fact, I am perfectly astonished at its gleam through both houses of parliament. (Laughter.) I belles I see neer me the gentleman who prophesied the fail= d the act of last year ; but by the 10 & 11 Vie., min may be advanced for the improvement of the estate, BOP withstanding all its incumbrances and all its compliestsi tenures of head landlord and interm , diate landlord. Toeing that if all thus parties had to he called upon for theirs:mut the thing could never be hoped for. (Hear, hear.) Thero fore, you provided that notices should be served opal in tereided parties, who might object if they thought proper, and Mr. Kennedy, the paymaster of civil services, us is decide es to whether these objections were idle or Ur& want. He was to lend the money notwithstanding all the complicated tenures. (Hear, hear.) By the mode of sup runt provided in this act a rent charge is to be fixed cab estate, with reversionary interest. Supposing the rut charge not to be paid in two years, how did the ministate( the crown provide that the money should be mowed? Did they say, that in case of sale no elegise title should be given for five years? No, tbb w s the way in which the crown recovered the used of rent charge ; " The paymaster of civil services is cm such rent charge shall have been in arum' for two Pais may apply in a summary manner to the Court of Chantal for en order to sell a eompetent portion of the lands, sada Court of Chancery shall authorise him, without hither process, writ, or other proceeding, to raise by means of .15 the necesairry amount, the surplus, if any, to ho paid to tbs owner of the lands, or to the accountant-general of the Court of Chancery, for the benefit of all parties interred. The purchaser shall not be bound to see to the , applicaticad the money, and any conveyance executed by the pay master shall be binding and conclusive, and convoy all right and title." (Hear, hear.) That was the way 1 which you then solved the difficulties respecting title sad conveyance. (Hear, hear.) The paymaster said to the Lord Chancellor, " here is an arrear of two years due." The Lord Chancellor issues an order compelling a rte, end the paymaster gives a title against all the world to the par' chaser, who is to have nothing at all to say to the applica tion f the money. Why not apply the same rule to All estate upon which great arrears of poor-rate have mesas lated ? (Loud cries of " hear, hear.") I beg to call the noble lord's (Lord J. Russell) attention particularly to this point. The noble lord proposed that the anus on certain estates should be remitted. Now I do hope that those arrears will not be remittsd , (Hear, hear) The time is fast coming when ve must know whether legal obligations upon estates shall is fulfilled err not. (Hear, hest.) If the poor-rate be in snug on an estate, I do not see why the estate should not pay th e arrear, and if it be not paid, why a portion of the ea* should not be sold for its liquidation. (Hear, bear.) Noe de that. Enable the commissioners to sell such parties/ shall be sufficient to pay off the arresr of the poor-ruts, rd then enable the commissioners to give to the purchaser a des against all the world, the latter having nothing to do mite& application of the money, and the Court of Chancery WIT' mg the surplus to the benefit of reversionary intermit sad incumbraneers, and then you will have the w as of at once releasing a certain Quantity of land in taut and of inviting new capital for iti cultivation. (Hear,lsearl Bat let your process be simple and your title perfectly seam (lieu, hear.) The poor rate is a prior lien on the lad fay other • there is no injustice in it. By the laws re have passed it is the first lien, end consequently you her perfect right to release a portion of the estate from the in" cumbrance, and then take the course I recommend. Wife capital andenterprioe, invite small proprietors, don't tusk the estate from one insolvent to another, for then year 1611 _? doing no good. (Hear, hear .) B u t, un d er these com ma sions, sell the land at a profit ; do not offer it for sea at once err in large quantities, so as to node it a drug upon the markets, but do it in such a manner as shall attract small proprietors and enable them to flair with security the example of the young Lancashirs nun who cultivates his vegetables and writes home to his friends 11 there is no better land anwhere than in the est __ l °°' land. (Hear, hear.) I t h ink that such an artalleim" would lead in many uses to an amicable transfer. I ellow t conceive that the owners of incumbered estate% Ilw menaced by the Court of Chancery, would not be Phoid at nseiawhichwouldinasimplemannerridthemof their ingot brimless, I cannot doubt but that there would be muchof sast _ table transfer under this process; and then if you have thelse I believe you will find not only individuals but compsnise fit this metropolis disposed to follow the example of the L. : companies in the reign of James I.—lees, perhaps, from, hope of gain, than the desire of making character by tale • toting the improvement of Ireland—l do believe that sue Igreat company would soon be found. (Hear, heir) Sa t age airy opinions—taking a connected view of the whole leo' least. Thos consideration of how we can further aerie 1 11 ! 111•118117, by drainage, by local improvements, by outline at"' mirk by facilitating the construction of piers for the so' commodstion of the fisheries, by promoting, under sound regr lotions, emigration, not however interfering with voluntary emigrations, will, of eosins, form part of the plan • but , above all things, address yourselves to the main quest od facilitating the transfer of property from insolvent to solvent proprietor& (Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") Direct 71" whole attention to these points, abandoning the present n os ' jurious system of giving gratuitous relief, whether in es' change for labour or not. (Hear, hear.) And reverting gradually, without loss of life—providing for the destitute when provision is inevitable—but reverting gradually to t o , wiser principle of the act of 1838, re-establishing ths aut i ti n elleo local guardians instead of those now in power, and Wl' tuting the only effectual test, the workhouse test of Pool_ and &Imitation. (Hear.) Sir, I can with truth say that I hav e pro these suggestions, particularly in so far as refill.. the transfer of property with the utmost hesitation. 1 7 an unprofessional man, but I am deeply sensible of the !le, unity there is of some means of cutting the gordisa keg 06 iI4 F