The Express. — London, England, 1849-01-11 00:00:00

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On Wedortfay (Is.) evening, a meeting of liberal rectors and other inhabitants of Masehester took place in the Frerotrode Rail, to bear midterm from Richard Cobden, Req.. M.P ; John Bright, Req., 1111 .P ; and the Right lion The Milner Oilmen, UP. Though the object of the metiag had not been defined in the advertisement by which it was convened, the newsp..pen having the best mow of access to oell.authentiested inlmmatios on the ambler had led the public mind to undentaad its pearl scope and object to he • propoeition, or series of propositions, calculated to fur her the naseen• imitation which been lately triton to shine heel( and take • definite form, for the reduction of the motional expenditure and other financial oftsafra Mr. Corte n's letter to the Liverpool Financial Reform Annie. tins had elan, so doubt, strengthened this 'sores los, sad, the sir.** belag one on which the popular mind in the manufacturing diaries, quite as much ea any other, was remeted , es express itself fsvourahly, and somewhat strongly, a lags gathering was anticipated. SOH the mall*. pules of the great manufacturing metropolis had sat bees felt end publicly tested on the question, and there might ho those timid trough favourably-disposed anima who doubted the wisdom of a first appeal in such • plies as the Free-Trade Rail That great building had been erected to accomatielate a full grown agitation on another question, whom prblie feeling bad been acted upon for years, and had bees gradeelly awakened upon it at • east o f great labour, energy, and expense, and so roused to • high degree of in dignatirio. The hall was built A. pies standing room to ten or twelve sheered persons, and there might be those who doubted if there was yet mind esesgh brought to tsar on this question, in the inkry of the movement, to vender it at ell probable that such as immense area could be tolerably or ere rerpretahly filled. If such a feeling did err, It must h ave vanished, r with the fore of electricity, at the sight of the marabout spiracle which greeted the eye, sad the terriers which bunt upon the ter, when Mr. Wilson, Mr. Cobden, Mr. Bright, and Mr. Woos, es. pied the metre, sad made their we, to the front of the tot oral. A Ailed cheat buret forth, as from an irresistible earet, and evidently swelled by m an of voices ; he eye took in the full p of the vast Mild ly', it was seen that floor and g las, sod even the plat te' itself, were crowded to the my extent of their spar. If it was twos the old and veritable Iron romnimete, and brought beck to meet its old lenders, there was enough tithe old spirit to make the recognition all emplane. The about sf sothusisem which the first rammer the speakers elicited, l eas followed by long and protracted bunts of eappppruse. The hall wee very full. Mr. Senior, who etldatee as IL C. is the multi aide on these oixesiess, having err apparently in • lively anticipation of such • gatkenag, had takes up list • small 'pace with sesta, so that a large properties of it was literally covered with • men of human faces—nor thine of the rough " unweelted " es they kir bra termed. Mae, but ineteding.to • very large Mast, those of the '.ntrlligest, well-paid error, the enurieurates, clerks, shopkeepers, sad traders. n of ell clams. The platform, c ipabl.. of seem. 'iodating 600 to 800 persona was ocespied hymned+ eats, moue return, and others ; and the agile tithe old and recognised Mermen of the city sad seightiourbood, of whatever grade is serer, found • reeeptios there. &areal hundred ladies ere rispiee reserved seats, firm the plat arm The tire of meeting had hers aamisod to be halt pest sem ; and if the tpeakers were prompt to the time, the audience had been reedy to &striper it. It was not as aisle of *mon waiting for ea audits°, ; but a full sail asi mated gathering, anxious sad expectant of their Indira Our reverter ms informed, large r is the aseammedaties the Free Trade Rail auras, that sem* therm& of perms had is be refused tickets of adsaiinion. and tamed bee k la dim. pertinent. Indeed, at • meeting on the maims owning, at the Lea p ur 4 111. 04 to make arrenoments for the Coelh o:ring ha, goes. it was steed iaeidt ntally that the tickets up to that tom had bees demanded with an seisms mem ✓epassed, or eves on any finnan earelea. Ti e first doy at their Oils. no lees than 6,000 were applied for; mod err 12,000 lichen had bees siren, not lees dm 6,000 or 6,000 emcee s had to be refired. The CllAlitltaX said: LAW and Orreemint,—Thie is really a moseter merits, and I em glad it I. so, he we met this emir, se orriAer subjects of no Misery moment end I a w tai. ball filled on • gm.", oc rnu ma aim son es I *ever . severed to ,re it filled again; bat I confess that, looking at this vase mesately, it does imposer sr that it Mgr s more than ita nasal oomplemeneof numbers. (C keen ) Illibatevir re err —whatever ran of apathy any islet el,- where, there appears little co that amongst the renters and other inhabit an of Maaeheeer. (Cheers) And whatever *roe. may bare taken place abroad, however old institu tions. may have crumbled to pieces, and sew owns rim upon their ale, et all events we perceive so reeetion, no change amorist °arrives (Cheer.) I recognir poly nearly the same people who termer exhibited their attachment to the parrot's which we are about again to mention this rvoning •—thi is of pr creole* reform (Cheers.) Onitlemen, we meet to night to !septet year kind zooparation in favour 01 so uadevited ' , theme, ne unmature project ; we irk you to give ye ur Lordist anent end cooperation is favour of Mahal which ehall involve violent elution. nor change* to be ercomili.hed by violent means. 'Chem.) We re here to endniv .or to collect together into one focus all the vast man I &alive opinion in this district, to give St force and direction, and coiner:ate P, for a time at !tact, en the ohjnis of ee••••mieal and lianicial term. (Cheers.) And, gent'. mins, in the outset let lee set et rest all question that we seek to supersede or in any way intent re site the Ports +Lich other people are making in other quarters. We ammo to you not to disturb or diecßanp, On in any way to inlay., the arts which others 110 b'ai—wbieh any usher elites of men, singly or other wise, may be snaking to micompish. by then or other mesas, the tain t. we have is view. We ask you to join es—we sir to others join ne, or join al imam yourselves, asite with us or eie.nperan with each other—esk as to join you, oe come to us in the greet struggle we have before ne— ther* is fawn and ee pe enough fir all. (Loud doom) And, gentlemen, one word shout this meeting There have bees plenty of admonitions — plenty of warnings, Ovid, of peeleciiona about the character of this Toefring. w Why, at preseat. in the present onset-' Bed state of Berme—why do anything +hie It can in the 'Berta decree Worsen with Ike smog. mate of goers meat ?" Well, row. gentlems, I brier st has bees often proved, that in the whole of the three kingdom. thane is sit Imam — pas aleita, r the nigh Nto et bons a nuts loolepalatt Ises ban espesimmeni—ie ads st the WaSend Losiort—hy the liarmatist ei musk amissiatieue that by lie ammeda N tusit wesialems allemei. It eleini. There mr• a seals el people in Some Wales wham sib egospetima sea to Os reeds Your abw h. UM them (Lauthter) I`="d S. M logoggivo ties the Trams Nee 1 , lb 3, and 4of M l r . Reartion em din atone most hes bed sonakierain lefwna. Is 'Maar tmi slistumMos the somposere of those ginitlemes who bare ben emeneanai to receive padres, net for any area Pen hoed by thessimeh but kir maims raniend by tide m esas may pre bask. Whoa lite dam deeds of these Crere omsisolei end sashimi, am %Ir. °lesbians ae, It Is net likely to eseisibiate to their happiness or Pirlmani. Bet, without eammitthig yoses t i v o t t o ivor y shag whisk bee bees soli se published by the Phsaudal Salsas Asemintien, W 3 may se that all diet was sa-re sabre pity. mad a feather th y , male sonspoisi with the aka whisk took plass as the prommeition of the saddened budget fag williees money ia tbis misty ege, is no of small sum to be lassey remitted boa at as e die p odi a.. peak Ten millions of mosey is the 'pay rent elf • 10i. base far • milling of miters, and 10 mills= is no slight moos ai this time, ad in this souplaing esuntyy. It will ho far you imp whether it is weetli while to endeavour to swift Mr. Oliblia end the Menem in cawing that ter dm bask Isle the pockets Sae , instead of paring thasealt thi lagers of the taz.ge=t. (Loud ebeers. - I It will be fee yna to ea to-Wght whether you will give year wqmst to ressatiews to asessoplisb, with the slightest waste =se and die hest Adap t dim desirable restate. Rem. will be to pea by Mr. Cobden —(Chsers)— Mr. Bright —(=2 sheses)—Mr Henry, Mr. Rewson, end Mr. AM. Hay will stand them—(Cheen)—sad I will has them is your hoods, tildes leave to call wpm Mr. Cob den.—(Lead Owen.) latenitnD COlehan, NOV, some forward SWUM great oheerarg. which was prolempl he sewed Wes; and then the imestiag berme as quiet in their reendas so they bad bra Belay la the eseeemilen el their Maims to meet the hew. gremeset. Meedi :Mr Ohediessm, balm sad gm drama, I mast h wash your biomass in keeptar la Akar sal lei eider, fee I as afraid I es es math out of privies, I shell hardly make myself herd by this vast meeting. I have to mom the first moieties, and will read it to yes. Iris: " That this meeting resolves to co-operate with the Liver pool Pima. cid Reform Awmeiatisa, and other bodies• in their arts to reduce tr.e public, expenditure to at least the ran. ard of 1835. and to secure a more equitable and mono. mind system of taxation." Now, gentlemen, we have often met in this ball to advo cate the cause which has her mild upon us the charge .f be teg the termer's enemies ; awl now we come forward in an. I wiser character. We appear bore as the farmer's friends. (Cheers and lanahter ) We have, by our agitation, sub jolted the igriculturists of this country to a competition with die &Muer, and they have complained to us that they are more heavily taxed than the (o ats farmers. Now, gentlemen, we come forward mar them the right hand of fellowship and union to effect • rodustlon of an millions is the cost of our government.— (Loud cheers.) I have proved, and in your name 1 bops it will go forth to the country, that we co-operate with the financial reformers of Liverpool, in their agitation for firma. cid reform, on the condition' that we advocate the return to the expenditure of 1835 (Cheers) In 1835 the affairs of the grommet were carried on at a cost of ten mullions less of Emmy dim they are this year, and I have ven tured to peopor, in a later which may have probably met the ere of some of those prompt, that we should go back to that expenditure ; sad i has waited for three weeks before I had an opportunity of ears( a word in public is dolman of that letter, to see what would be said against that mow mendatioa—and I must confetti they have not given me much to mower. (Hoer. hear.) I have baud it said, and it is probably the most valid argument urged, that populatios has lacrosse , ' eines 1835. Well, gaolers, it has. Our numbers are 121 per cent more than in 1835, .nd our opponents say the you mast allow a larger min for the government of the greater ounsher, and I admit the argument, as tar as civil itommineat twill and, in my plan, I allow 40 per cent. mons fog the emu quern's's' now than was Snowed in 1135. Bat I deny that 13 years of additional peace is an •dditionel argument that we should ham an increase of krem. (Loud cit eers.) And here lam very glad to call to my aid the .pin on of a etatellaaa who will probably be allowed by our opponents to be a good authority. Towards the cline of the last session of parliament, Sir Robert Inglis, member for the University of Oxford, uttered this extraordinary doctrine—very extraordinary anywhere but at Oxford—that the longer you remain at peace, the greater probability that you will go to war (Croat laugh- I ter ) His idea seemed to be that men in time of ram were oaly fattening for a speedy slaughter. (Laurin r.) Beer what Lord Palmerston laid in reply to it :—"But I look, gentlemen. to the tendency of men's minds towards a ce. lard I differ firma the hon. in toiler for the University of Oxford, who thinks 'het the long duration of pear made» war more probable. I think, on the contrary, that the duration of peace renders its costinuartee matt. likely " (Cheers.) Well, aow gentle usee, in 1835 we spent 11,800,0001 for She army, navy, and ovinenee. I props.. we now should ant expend more than 10.000.0001. and the 1,600,0901 that I take frms the ex penditure for wa-like purposes, I add to the viva es- I In 1848 we I pent, for all purposes of civil government, 4.300,0001. allow 5,000,0001, tor the Mal expenditure of government; and taking into mount the seeing in the collection of revenue, I tae .ha ontemplated management of crown land., estimated : by a financial reformer at one and a half millions.) Taking His into account, I allow more for the civil govern meet than they are actually expending. And th erefore I get rid alt o get her of the argument for increase of exmoditure in governing the people (He r, hear) Then there has heels ten . ether argument used, an d it is this : Duth g the last year and the year before 'hers wee a defirrney of revenue. We spent more than we received, ard borrowed money ; and tin y ate it Mr. Cobden'.plan ohould be car ried out still, he will not have his so 'millions to dispose of in the tales. My answer—and these monis' financier. might be aware of that argument—tat it it has (el len off during the last year, it is bemuse the Inlet ',sheet of every manwicttorm likewise, inn the ledger of every merchant is the ematry, resents a deficit; bemire the profits of every man in the eountry have fallen off too. (Hear, hear.) Bat now you hay. trade reviving, fed tia free trade principles, and in stantly you am the revenue laseam—(cheen)--and this year tor the next year you will certainly or yea have a surplus revenue a. certaie ly as you had a deficit last year. (Cheers.) But I say, gentlemen, I want to keep financial reformers to Os point ; for we must have a simple point of faith, or we cannot march together Oi.• me beck the expenditure of the year 1833. and I will guarantee the remission of the ten mallow. (Cheers) If you want—if the country wants—to reduce the duty on tea to one half, and abolish altogether the tax apes timber, upon butter, upon cheer and soap, ann. parr, upon melt and bops, upon home windows — (loud been)—if y.a want to ylrsmt aa end to the systems that curtails these nesseerary e.mfseta. this rides your voices thrnoolinet the country simultaneously for the eapendouire e 1835 (Mora) Where is the diMmalty ? Where is the dif ficulty of returning ea the expenditure of 1835 ? If the whole queluinn live In the amount of your warlike armaments, the whole questies is, will ere govermseat be content to waste ten millions of money in unproductive services like your &Wing establishants—for maintaining your fight ing erablielmseets in a dmie of peace ? (Hear. hear.) Will flambe content with too milli ros—ead it not, why not? (Cheer%) I want the arguments why nor I was asked the other day by a member of porliament. " When are you going into the details of tow you are ping to carry on the govern ment na year plan ?" My alma r was this: I skald be • very hod twecian. a very had lorries, whes I made the palweitim that govenimest should carry cm Its warlike letattliebuteate with ten 'sillier if I did not call upon them to give me as answer why they cant carry them on with ten millions. (Lod cheers) I pat them 0.1 the defensive; I est them whe•her they mlte the meet of the money they have get ? (Cheers) ) Way, how do you think they dames of the money ? Why, you have got 150 aim. rah, bnid 50 retired admiral.. (Laughter.) How many de you think you employ ? During the height of the sear Fresh wer—the pr yes wee as reeord—when you bad wetly a thousand rodents tlying you serer employed more than M admirals at OSP time. (Shame.) And at this time von have but 14 admirals you an find active service for. With all the ingenuity to pat admirals to work where they are not waisted. y-e an mar find room for 14. (Laughter and churn.) What do I fled in your arsay—why you have &colonel for ever , regiment who does the wort,another col nel wile playa the tailor to the vestment--wrir goes WWI' the regiment —sever ass it—r.d if be went near, themes w , uld not obey hint; he has no more to do with it, bet he eurplies the clothes, and gets the pisfPs of tre tailor. (Laughter ) Well Dow, maulemen, these are Must/Mims of how the motley is waged thole yen have paid for theme strive. But I genet confine myself to the abuses and waste that take place; I will not lend myself to the delusion prwtised ' upon the country by those politicians who profess to , move with us. but who are oral trailing a red herring across oar path, as t amid to to do upon the free-trade questims—febeers an laughter)— who tell us that by amorany In the dockyard, by better manse , meat, they Gan stake a saving, but that you , Can have an saving by a reduction of your force. I lend myself to no delusion like that. I tell you in the outset that in order to effect such a redaction of our armament fy. the relief of the country—a mistrial venal, that will he felt in the home• ad firesides of the emistry—vos, must reduce the number of men, ad be contented with a smaller of brute form Ia the eye of the world. (C▪ rest cheering) Toe mast trust something to Pro- videnea, something to your own just 'Runtime...to your rood conduct towards other nations, and not put faith in I elotly farms and manifortations of brute force, salon now do. (Cheers.) Now, gentlemen, I ring this matter home to my opposers with a few figures How is it we bays had this Brest Mares of our ammo eats ? Has It been by the in • af waste., the Vetere in the noshing ot admirals and coined,? No, the mum has soritna the war. It woe no sow Slag began in 1336. It was in fame then 08 much as now. Bat what be been the cause of your inners of armaments? T u has bummed for merly the nasalise of your men. In the statement made by Died John Russell he gives me the lIWWWO in the army and navy end ovolnenee in 1835. In 1835 the number we. 13.3,243. 1.1848, 196.083 The lacrosse duce 1835 has been 80,320. what has been the ineresse is the exp.n'l. tore? In HISS the eipesdlture of all these iss raises vs. 11,60,0001. This year it wee upwards of 111.000,001 1 1; as Wynn in mon alt 50 per swat, ant 11111111111.11.1111111111.11111111111111111111111111111111111.111111111.1MMIIIMI1111 111.1111.111 1111.111.1.1 1.17:4‘i,..., ouo.„,„ CELEBRATED amour& ohms st Eno fa Amur if Ohs bog leMbilsosaf die F r ie ddid re a. iplier by sea ft w a I reasta, Ihe i mpis of MOW era (Par. boar.) V ma Mass Adam raft goessodel Peisall•st Waist. Ns skis rd men Mine la oder se rzti p irrs p h. ttirmatl=l:estrArg.ihrZestra bou en~tZr te r • t al is PlOAd min thbe el• It is s es r h isaft sw. _ ~ .tri en a t ti au ha d a r b macj a. azezt s , every min t :Wm .et c lee~eth. of a rry me ak.-4 Weikel hi Ur3llooi lidlabarrb Bireddibus CA) kw as as be as besesiso masers. the poises • . . yea- W e Yoder Ida Mr ra _YOUGEWII, mar t r y. sa d elsoorkorr. far the exteseloa 410 Ine tremble* Wr d = sad tor paridansataly ratara. I ma saaq ad II maLse dy Ceimungew e im e d. MN that, Ira us his bola the 411211 p age WRNS iIIUI 741 ] LONDON, THURSDAY, JAN. 11, 1849. (THREEPENCE en levers in weeny it shwa IS per ash also. Now, in the Howe at Commumn whey • vote k broseht forward for our army mid gory and oedemas— eses tile amour, at war, or the vy, or the sterstaryelaast. brings eshirwltirdllia bed , h na e says bow many Mot he wants, and wham the umber of men is voted ill the ether ewers follow es a matter of emus". It is perfectly nadenteed that when bre Toad the men yen newt yea every Is in g dime tine ; sad thiesiere agn r alm fba. shirt there is mensamis were aid mismenesmenent. I say if you want • material Mirka L your armeneest. on must at ease boldly Wit 1910 of the lumbar of men en these seivisse. Wh should panel nauseate= ? IlW7— adminellf bays wity toy ts ilun all this lamer.,takei ffas as p= e s T rien ask eve d r am erignientation has been feigned, there has always been sa enema fork But whoa emplaned is this. Alter chums eke has pried away, we never have • diminutica. (Her, bier.) In 1636—1 have red you the eat le 1836—1 t was the lowest point' in 1836 there war • wry got up that we were grog to be invaded by the Ruler at was that made me Ara turn pamphleteer, to write against this mania about the Romans landing on the coast of Norfolk some hggy morning). That wee made an erre for ineresee. And ever navy, I remember Tay well, is 1839, was increased for those 'whether" strive at Monteath, by Frost, Williams, said Jeass—the re I suppose I mast call It. A proposal was made ty Lord I Russell far an summer if 6,000 men to meet the ease of those artist trial& ; bat, when tranquillity returned, I never heard a word about adman them. If you follow, step by step, gesammen, the barer, of armaments, there has always been some special end ready excuse. At one time we most needs go and settle affairs in Syria (we have as mach to do with too affairs of the aunt, and we must bombard Acre and first Ibrahim Pasha or some other Pacha. Well, then we had to go to Tahiti ; th en we had a tlutre with Amines about the male boundary I and thee we had aequebble about the Orison tern.tory end because Kr. Presider Polk talked • great deal a balderdash, and tome of the United Bates menages talked more nonsense than usual, why our governmeat pressed another intense on us, and this great sq athe. of evolutions still goes on with it. evolutions, perfectly understood at that time as • demon•tration against Auriga. But the Oregon ques tion and the mar boundary squabble, the Syrian and the Tahiti squabbles, are mottled, and the chartists well employed and comfortable ; and white is ti • use of keeping up all these armaments ? (Cheers) But, gentlemen, I have not forgotten the lest excuse. You remem ber this time last year. As nest as possible this time last year I stood on this platform to vase my voice, in conjunction with yours, almost alone, against that wicked I attempt to impose upon us by increasing our national defences, to react us against 1111111111011 from France (Hear, hear.) Now, gentlemen, by way of parenthesis, and for your encouragement, and for the encouragement of the country, let me put remind you of the MIMI, of opinion sines then. We then had to fight against an increase of our armaments. And it was an uphill battle, but we sresed‘d in railing • proposal before the country to redoes the cost of our armament man than one half, and that proposal is received with more favour within 12 months —(cheers) —receives more favour with the public now than our resistance to the iecrease Bor 12 months re. Why is It ? Why because, spits of all attempts to mystify the public mind on these subject., the events of the *eminent have trumpet-tongued declared that the attempt to slander and malign the English and French nations at that time was a most wicked injustice perpetrated on a great people. We were told this time last year " Why, it's true the French are quiet now, because of Louis Philippe, the Napoleon of Peace ; but let him dl., and you will see bow that French people, now kept in by this wise monarch, will break loose." (A laugh.) Well, Louis Philippe is politically dead; the French people were thrown entirely upon their own resources. The bridle on their neck, and the bit in their mouth ; the people were all-powerful to do whatever they willed. mid the government, donee un their knees, ready to follow the people to the utmo.t bent of their passions. (Cheese ma laughter.) Has there bra amidst that thirty-five Edgier of people, your next neighbours, anything to support this slenderer imputation al'eged lest year by these wicked alarmists—these most wicked pantioningers, that I will forgive; or, if 1 do, I will never forget to remind them of their wickednesi—(laughter)—has there been oeu act of the Freon% people, 1 say, to warrant the imputation that they wished to come and attack you? (No, no.) I will not confine myself to that; there was munching nearer t home which somebody summed the French were much man likely to &tacit than Eng and. Has there he.. the slightest I manifestation on the part of the French people to make the I Rhine the bounder) of their empire, by attack tog Belgium ? Have th• y moulted Holland, or invaded Italy ? Have they shown the slightest I desire to engage in warfare ? On the contrary, wh public man has wished to :mailers the French people, has be t not addressed them in terms of peen, and has he not pro mised, above all things. to follow a pacific policy ? Their I present president—a Napoleon Bonaparte—l say nothing of his fitness to be • president,—that is an affair of the Fresno people, not of ours—(applanw).—bot whew chi. indieidual was rgowoolog the French people for I their suffrages, bow did he soar them? Why if I our panicmongers understood the Preach character i rightly, he must have promised the. • war of agerreasion • upon B eland, or at least upon Belgium. What did he say I in bis address ? " With war then can be no mi'ira ion of i your sufferings; peace shall therefore be the most cherished object of my desires. At the time of her first revolution • France was warlike, because others repelled her to be so; abs was attacked, and she rolled bock the tide of conquest on her invaders. But now that nobody attacks her she can devote all her resources to peaceful relation., without abandoning • firm and honour- able policy." Now, gentlemen, does that look as if you have been wisely spending your money in fortifying your selves, and keeping up your enormous standing arnoundats, because certain parties are interested in clothing regiments; 1 and admirals. with nothing to do, tell you France is a hob. goblin, who will come and devour you some mouth, ? (Loud applause) But I con't eosins myself Sc France though I have mid more upon that, because I took upon myself, last year, @tending in this plus, to declare my opinion rowdier the Judean of the great COW of the French people. I said in this place that in Frazee property is more diva. d than is any other country in the world ; I said there are eight or tan millions of reel property en the soil of that vast empire (the richest on its surface of any in Europe), and the whole of that rich patri mony is owned in fee simple by the perms who cultivate it, more than any country in the wean. And allow me to my, gentlemen, by way of paren thesis, that when I hear certain wise men who write in ark- Newts journals t Ikiac of the dangers to the country from the miners suo.divisies of its property, I feel very much dinosed to whisper in their ears, whether the lemons of history have net aught us a totally dieerent danger. and if they can point out an instance in the history a the world where • nation has c•me tousle b cause the multitude of the owned ething ; that you cantht point to any tea have som nnt gage through • social revolution, bears property had become accumulated in a few hande—(eheers)—and then was a con sequent erne of luxury and corruption is the few, and de• gradation and misery in the many. But, frentlemem, the argument I need last year, I will repeat here, conformably to the experience of the last year— the polite in France, being nearly all proprietor., and, having themselves to pay fee any war armed on, will not vote for war to increase taxation ; and I believe that Louis Napoleon, and Caviare, and Guisot. whose book was published nail yesterday , and every public man in Francs, and K. Thins, will agree with me, that if there is one passion more pralorninaut with the F re sco people than another, it is the desire for peace . Well, gentlemen, bur dess . t confine myself to Fiore. I the Germany, and I take Italy. I ray, where amidst the convulsions w here monarchs have abdicated and popes and potentates have run away in the disguise of lam greys, and gone dews no their knees before the mob, I ask you where, in all Europe, there has been amongst the people one sic. or symptom of iggromeive war on their neighbours ? ow, gentlemen, be ware of being 'mystified again. The enemy is rain at week, and one of their favourite devices as this. They r oiee • emension in your minds by past* to 'eternal revoke tien roing on is other countries, and parade yes it was in • state of war. This was the way they dealt with me. I esid that the people were for peace, bat when the revolooso broke out in France, these panie-mueers said, " Rea is Cobden come beck tram the contrast '.ls us they are foe pum, and they hove broken out in • state of war." They have not been in a state of war, but ia a state of revelation, in a state of obtaining precisely the some objects for which this country went through • process of r 01,4114011 two centu ries ago. (Applause.) And though in France their gain in the way of peskiest Warty as not been so great as in other countries—for they Lad • fair &wont of practi cal freedom before their last revolution—when you compare the state of Germany and Italy with what k was when I was there ant two years agn,—l *ay that Denary and Italy, with their convolekee, slight arid ev thereat compared with the ten years' civil war required in Baglead te tuatara the prerogative of our fist Cesar —they have gained the same amount of liberty, I se, which it required ten years' ay./ war in Englind to obtain. (Hear, her ) I left them in these countries with every semipro,' and every book under the strict astral of a mum and hie 'cis me. not a Ito albino( to he read but the envernment rain mast road it over first and expeord what he pleased. 1 loud them with slued ourta of prier, not administered by oral testier' is the ravine of the reused, but by written i ocousentary ev dunce ; witheet repudiate •ies forms of government, without trial by jury. Now, though they may blunder and 'tumble in OS path of reform, they are at least as the highway for *bathing those privileges so seem as they are in • condition to use them. And is spite of those who in this country look with no favonahle eye upon the movements the people in thaw countries have made, 1 sand here to es pros the sync thy et the public in Ragland for those mop • who have ben so nobly Lira' fro their countries' liberty. Do not think that I am talking a foreign politics, that are f reign to your learnt' here. is by studied misrepre sentation of what is going on upon the Continent that your immense standing armies are maintaiaed god defended in this country. Imy that the peters of constitutional rights es the Coauthor mita be aura& to the anneals sad parr acme et parta, bemoan I Wet I ban proved to you that the man or the people on the sentinest, as well es the mass of the people in this onatry, are fanerable to moue sad averse to war. There is so gearantess—gentleaese I Astyyon to show me how say governameat or any pule set the continent ma strengthen themselves, eves if Mu *bons to sorry oe a war of mequest. Let Frau. invade Germany, it only maims Germany smite Ilk. one sun ; the whole Tutoeis is,. would rise to repel the Fneek. What is now the prods/edema passim in Germany ? Na. duality. (Rear, bear) The union of Germany to expel Fronts would not be an aggressive byes, but for defensive secerlty ? What is the contest between Lembenly and Austria ? Austria may cell Leetberdj part of its Territory, but you have another ram, sad the Leda ram will sot be stemmed by the Teutonic rem. Though She Austrians may keep cloys the Lombards by Redistski and 100,000 nun it is not • aura of strength, but of weakness to Aust ria. (Near, bear). And I defy you to show me anreoeutest or partition of tenitory within the lam outlay in Europe that is not rasher a moues of weakness than streorh. Take it at the wont that can happen—that somebody on the continent is going to make an nark on their neighbours, is that any reason you should be armed to take part in that struggle ? In ancient time.l when the people counted as nothing , and princes told out their subjects as the shepherd with his flock, if s i m; nearriege united the er MIS, all these people became w subjects or slaves to their ssvereign. Tun there might be danger from an acquisition of territory. Now that we all Meow that men vent, everyone, for somethine on the continent of Europe, sod now that we know there are great lines of demarcation of rses—one for Frau*, another for Spain, and another even in the Massie empire of national Austria—split up into Scla. voiding and Magyars—why I say inspires have limits, and instead of • roar try being strengthened, it b possible its ccoquests may be • source of weakness. Then, gentlemen, I say, taka it as the very worst ; who,l ask, is to snook thyme let that, polities, Unmet And beings me to the other gaunt as to toe doctrine we mast adopt if we wish to rodeos oar armaments—it is, gentlemen, that we will leave other people to menace their own affair. (Cheers.) Tat Spaniards, who hive some very wise maims, my that a tool knows no more what is going on in his own honer, than a wise man does in that of his neighbour. (Laughter.) If we would apply that to nations, and give foreigners credit for knowing their ma affairs without interfering in the management of them, it will save us a great deal of money. Depend upon it they will get their affairs better and sooner settled themselves than with one interference. (Cheers.) NOW, what Sr. we doing ? There cannot be a petty squabble in any corer of Europe, or rather of the world, but what you mutt have a Art of line-of-battle ships from England. We are takio put and interferino b twain the King of Naples and h as Sicilian sublime, and are, we a consequence, detested by troth parties. In all Italy we are spoten of with contempt; they do not value oar good qualities; as men they are ready to pay you the highest tribute in that respect, bat as • nation and a government we hue interfered with their politics, and they cordially hate and detest the nation for having meddled with them. (Hear) The same with Spain. Hun dreds of millions have you spent on Spain, and what is the present state of Spanish feeling ? I have travelled from one end of Spain to another, and I never heard the name of the Duke of Wellington mentioned. (Cries of " Hear, hear.") He ((inert their battles r we persuaded ourselves, through all the Peninsula; but I never saw his portrait or his bust, though I saw Nap leon's portrait end toe portraits of his marshals everywhere; be cause Napoleon and the French are more popular at present than the English. It is the same everywhere—in Greece and also in Portugal. Is not this a very undignified attd tude for a greet nation to occupy ? The English people are hated everywhere, bemire of their interference If you would keep aloof from their squabbles and their politiew, and pat tour own house in order instead of looking after others. you would be the better respected, and be the better for it. I say put year own house in order—(hear)—and put y ur mad cabins in Ireland in order—(cheers)—and you will show • great deal more common sense than by going and attempting to put the h mes of other people in order, where you are not responsible for their government. Now, gentlemen, there is as argument which I am glad to see, as it shows that our opponents are on their lust legs—they tell us if we don't interfere, Franca will go and interfere. So it is now— we have got • fleet at Naples because the French have got • fleet there. I remember in thelast stage of the Anti-Corn Law agitation, they said, " Oh, tree trade is • very good thing. but we can't have it till other countries have begun free trade." My answer was that if it was a good thing for us. let as adopt it, and leave them to adopt it if they find it is a good thing for them. (Hear.) Interference with the affairs of the continent is a costly, and useless, and pernicious plan ; and I say if foreign interference is bad for us. and the French and Austrians choose to purer that plea, leave them to do it, bet don't rain yourself (Cheer) Now this is • common sense that doss not pervade bleb quarters in this country. (Hear, and a laugh) Well, cow, we have another argument to meet. They tell us we must keep op our enormous armament* because we have colonies, and people say, t• We must main tain our colonies." I say in answer to that, do you intend to hold your colonies by arms—with swords, with ships of war ? Decree I consider that not a perms neat hold—l wart to hold them by their affections. (Loud cheers.) If you tell me that your simile are kept for the sake of your colonies, then I say your colonies can afford to pay for their own police; for I beg to t e ll the Beer people that the people in the colonies are a great deal better off than most of the people in Eng. land. They haves vast deal more of the comforts of life, and they hese very few of the taxes that bother us so. Sir Cobden then went on to say. They were spending ton much as • nation, and whilst that treed local taxa tion would go on increasing. He promised one thing— he would ti en he saw the eat of our armies reduced to 10 000,0001, until he saw the expenditure of the country 'educed to what it wee in UM at least. He did not ay he would stop there. (Cheers.) That was the least they intended todo, and it wee something worth the e'ruggl ; but he repeated he would not stop there (cheers) ; and he sin cerely believed that with the assistance of the people, and the growing tendency for pesos throughout the world, they would not long continue to witness the horrid was of 10,000,0001 on a fighting establishment in time of peer ; but they would live to see the day when one hall of that am would be considered enough ; nog did he tusk that time would he brag in arriving. ALISIABDIK HINIIT, , M.P., roes to second the MP,- lotion, and was received with great the. ring. He said :In presenting myself to 8•12 OW tee resolution which has jest been prop eed to this meeting, I beg to observe, what is al ready well known to many in this room, that my business has hitherto not been that of public speaking, and therefore I snail not detain you long from hearing those well-known voices, to whom you have been wont to listen with so much satisfaction in this hall open great public occasions. I have great pleasure in !molesting the resolution which has been proi.osed. My experience in parliament has rven me some inaght into the workinp of the parties who have hitherto had the rule in that Dottie. I was placed, unfortunately, upon a committee, called • commdtee for miscellaneous ex penditure, and sat upon that crud tee. with other gentle men, for the weary period of five months, and finally, we produced a miserable abortion of a blue book. When first upon that committee, I enquired who were to be my ant ler nes and was assured that if was an honour for me t e have b een requested to become one oi its members. The pro. reeding , of that onsmittee ere before the public in the bluis h .ok .o which I have refereed ; end to show how liter eas to he expected from is member., I will read the names of t.,r ie n who were placed norm it he the government. They were Mr. Ellis, Mr. Vernon fisni h, Earl Lincoln, Mr. Henry, Mr. 41.01110 Cher., Mr Rise, Mr. Stefford, Dr. Erring. Mr. Barker, and o ther., in all fifteen members ; and at our second meeting I saw there was no use in going nn orbit the committee, and proposed to the chairman that I should ask permission of the house to withdraw, for when ever it came to tee voting of any large amount o f expendi ture, Dr. Boring and merit were outnumbered, and it be came exceedingly disheartening tr. be upon the committee, rough nothing better could be exp red when the two teem. ben tor Dover where a large amount of expenditure wee to lard eat for harbours of refuge, were sitting upon it. (Cheers.) Mr. Henry concluded by saying that te,e pressure grew ai bout must be applied, if they wished to effect the ref arms proposed by Mr. Cobden in the next parliament. (L ud rem.) The Hon. T. M GIBSON, M.P., Che , renan and Reorient n, I have been requested to More the neat resolu tion on this important question. I may well 'ay it is an importentquotion ; for 1 feel convinced that I to not state that which is contrary to truth, when L assert that this vast assemblage, and the enthusiasm which actuates it, must her an effect far beyond that which will tak- else* in the locality in which it is held. (Hear, bear ) This meeting will n.ive an ineueoce over the length as d breadth of the c Agony ; for it is well known by former experience, that tb••ug' oolitical movements have been ,riginated in this.' istrict but with an earnest desire to set kirk the objects +hie . . are set forth, and which have not yet, that I know of, been un dertaken for mere party or personal purposes. (t. Hear" and 'Polar s.) Although this meeting may be con- Mimed therefore, as something more than a local assemblage, nevertheless, as I stead in the presence of my emus. users, I feel I may ha permitted, before I adders my salt tee the trent en bef ore US, to say av ry few words personal to myself. (Hear, hear.) I have repreeented Manchester now for seven years, theretore I think you bare some cl.im on me M give the fullest account of my public conduct on all occasion.. I Hear.) When I adder eel you last sear I wee en official of the present government. I now stand te fore you an independent member of parliament. (Oveat applause.) I hope, in making this change I hive not torteited any of that moll knee of whir Manchester has given me repeated woe& lam not—it would be affected modest; to ear so— I am not insessible to the personal distinction whelk influence confers, bet I estimate at a hirer value the confidence of the electors/el liluirester. ("Rear," and applause.) This is the grossed—bet I ail: not say the rap ground, because the opiaio s which I was sent to parliament to support were also in aesordanes with the trust cosvistionsof my own mind (bear, kerr)—Hies is the ground on which I found, em circumstances' turned eat and utter went on, that my oodsesion with the present government would prevent me free repletion these political principles which you seat me to Podia...LW obsess, sad weigh, as I have lust said, wen Ise assosassa wide fey ewe views and anivisaisaa. ecewl with B ou withost isallu r ki ceinstilmrus ows Ullial;. asepinthes :ll:Wl 4 7:hen .slth iea thei gth y r iot "e eede":l"rthices. (Applause.) p ti p °aP T: s ;cor sa . lr r ' d N plis a/i I meet give this amegally • • very satiefactory report of the proceedings of het swift of parliament. T• say we did nothing, perhaps, wadi tee he Me. We passed 133 acts of paritanhat—(a laugh)selins amesiget theme 133, there is bat ooli solitary law tee the air --- at of thou prineiplee of cos omercial freedom he whisk deo tuber Mushester and in whictt the country at large is ee deeply interested. The achy right w a rp we took was the abolition of the duties me flop pes • w bbn we also took a Net of retrograde step is ngasd to Übe g o i t er Cutlet. (Hear, bear) I shalt it was ea nowise pYto make in tie mot of 1848, to extend the fee Ike equalisation of the sugar duties. asbut whettiag the appetite of the body c e w es t ladles prombesee foe num proesetioe, without enalernng e e Mum any relief or any mateeial mi -1 vantage WNW:ever ; fold I believe that if them same „ am i ty G e nii , m id* has ..me ia under the present law ' had mime in media the taw of 1818, it would lave gives a large revenue to the st ate, with an equal rim to the nor. It h g r a tzht, as I,belifive, and se will be found at the end of the year, a small sum to the revenue, and it manoot be denied that it has conferred no advantage on the con sumer. I voted with my hoe. friend and colleague against say attendee in the set of 1846, benteme I felt convinced it was an unwise sad lejudidons champ?, and was calculated to give some' further regegnidon to the doctrines of protection, *ohm wedge we have exerted ourselves se mush. (Hear.) I have been told is Ludas and in variom parts of the cone. try that there le some reeetiou on the quake of tree trade —that the maanheturen, the comemeercial world are tired of free trade. Now, as we are all assembled here, let me ask you - Is there say reaction ?" (Loud erica of "No.") Are you determined se ever to luny out these principles of freedom whisk you have odopted in reference, to corn and the other interests of the country? (Yes.) Well, it is set hae there is an reaction. (No.) A gentleman writes a letter in to-day's Moyne ing Chronsels—a Mr. Young, who has diem:geisha/ himself by his advocacy of the navigation laws who says be does not call on the free traders to retrace their steps, but wishes them to pause in ;heir career. Now that I think especially to the aag gr rii c eire d irthe wa l:l a r mi tias o: be riad t"Pa t ed: l4 . v:i i ef osie tigna l:ted tl t i t so mblei tt:ys in tebli arie: inu y sti gi ltes- wel : ce : n ihoto ig io tu let watb ma l yl What ! pau.e in our counties to u emo- m , mulcted competition with the proeucers of grain throughout wads which you have take& for the rest of the emotry ? Wine, a great shipowser, and he has knead oat, jut se the navigation laws are going to be reposed, that we ought to ones ia our career of applying thus principles to the skip muter, to have him the benefit of his woo ry. I cannot 'amnion any each doctrines as these. e, true, as my hon. friend Mr. Cobden has said, we are the tenure' friends. I, for ow, whi was proud to co-operate for the total repeal of the wire laws,—l felt soy ante enmity to the &MA farmer. I knew the protection which he enjoyed, or was said to enjoy, was fallacious ' and con- i ferred on hien no real or permanent advantage. And now, as my hoe. friend has said, he has come forward with a proposal to the agricultural bay which is clearly and eel. dently for their advantage. We must not leave the farmers in • cart of parenthesis, exposed to the competition of foreign whom, and not carry out the principle of tree trade, u als to wive the greatest possible relict from the burdens of the taxation of the country. (Applause.) Now Mr. Cobden has given us &budget, and Mr. hi•Oregor, a gentleman very .ietimguiand Le his talents sad for his industry, and well known in the country for his commercial knowledge, has produced another budget. My hon. friend Mr. Cobden proposes to reduce expenditure ten millions, and Mr. fil'Oregor proposes to reduce it five millions. I was asked in London by a gentleman whether I really meet to go Mr. Cobden's length, or to try Mr. M'Ciregor's first. " Try five millions," be said, " and don't go so far as C ,bden." Why, I said, would you have me take two bites at a cherry ?—no. (Laughter and applause.) Let us 10014 into Mr. Co den's budget—let us see whether we can reason ably support it—let us see whether it is founded en mull geut argument—because we have got Mr. bl•Oregor'e budget in the inside of Mr. Cobden's ; if we get ten millions an- Dually we will certainly get Mr. M'Oregoe's five. Perhaps, as the agricultural body, or 1 should rather Bay, the ogee don body represented by the " Central Society fur the Pro tretion of British Agriculture," are going to have • meet ing at 17, Bond-street-1a laugh)—on the 16th February— perhaps the president of that society may produce a budget ; wee knows But you will ay to the farmers, that unless the pr. 'dent of that society has something better to propose than my hon friend Mr. C .blen I do not think the farmer can be much blamed if they are more inclined to take Mr. Cobden's leadership, than the leadership of that distinguished nobleman. (Hear.) Sir filbert Peel bad tried Mr. Cob den, Lord John Resell had tried him, they had all tried him, and the farmen might my "let us try him too (applause)—he talks of a repeal of the melt tax—a reduction act ten milieus of taxation—the hop dads. are to be taken uff—tea will be cheaper, with • variety of other a tvantages." Toe farmers will say "Have you got anything better for us? Mr. Cobden has been a great adviser—the greatest statesmen have oomplieteuted him in the National Asembly—we have alt heard si memo of Cobden that non, as he ha , come for ward, we will see whether, after all, it may not be for our advantage—so we'll try." (Applause) I will not blame the lumen for such • course ; nobody could. I think they have good reasons to suspect those friends who bare so often mislid them, as to what would be the legislative policy of the country, ant what its effects would be on their interests. But the question is, Mr. Cobden proposes to redeem the expenditure 10 million., and also to get a million and a half of additional revenue by extending the protium and legacy duties. (Hear and applause) That, in fact, is his budget. He creates a surplus of 11 millions, and applies teat surplus by the repeal of the different taxes which he has enumerat d in his letter. Now, with regard to the exult 'ion of the duty on personal property to real estate, I for one will give it my mullet -upport. (Hear.) I think it • most unjust exception from the taxee—that one species of propeme should be 'olio-et to it sod another should be to-I tally Neropt. Nuthiug, I think, as is well known to the country, and to every sou who reflect on the beet interests of his country—nothing can be more likely to create dissatis faction to the government under which we live—nothing more likely to create discontent amongst all clams of society, titan the very idea that any particular clam should be fa voured above the rest of the country by exemption from tuition. (Applause.) But now comes the question of the saving of the 10 millions How I. that to be done? Now, cm the broad lace of the thing, I at first should say that any man who reflects how liege • portion of the internal government of Zeeland—how much of what is necomary for our comfort and social welfare, is paid for by local taxation—any man I say, who reflects on that, must COMO to the conclusion that the general taxation of this country mould be the cheapest and leut of any country in Europe. (Hear, hear.) Tnere is no country in the world, perhaps, that carries on so much of its government by local taxation; therefore thins is no country in the world that is more entitled to have the mailed mount of taxation than the community in England. (Applause.) Why, what is the amount of our local taxa. • ? Add up our highway rates, our metal rates, our p or rates, our church raw—(dissoprobstion)—our toll., ..ur fees of various kinds to various officers in different locali bee, our port dues, our navigation dues, our light dues—all of which are taxes for the purpose of geverning the country, end giving us the comforts of soc at exie enoe—add up all these, and you have the amount es:cording to the report of the Commissioners of Local Taxation to 1841 of no fess than 12 millions sterling. Wby, when you consider that amount, it is I .rger titan mate y of the chief countries of Mumps have got for their whole general and local taxation. ( Hem. hear) I state that Moon the authority of those commimioners; therefore I say, on the very face of it, we have a right hi presume that where the general taxation of the country amounts to a sum, exclusive of the interest of the debt, of something like 20 millions annually, and shows a tend. nay to increue—(hear, hear,l—ere have a right to consider whether the time is not come for us to look namely into these things, and see who tier the people are sot taxed and their money taken from them without any just return being mode. (Applause.) My hon friend alluded to the special services of men of war. Nothing could be more true or just than his remarks. When the oco .an for the augment-Men of the forces has passed away, they never will, if they can, allow the force to be paid tit but keep it as an addit on to the permanent estobl-hinent, and • sum is also asked, as an addi.ion to this bomb of our expenditure. I have gone through for some pars rack the different amounts that have been ask- d for be tee government from time to time, and I find that namat to be something like 7 millions sterling. This me Willy is for a less period Ithan from 1835, and, I believe, if I had gone beck to 1836, should have found that the whele 10 millions my hon. friend propme to eke off would have been voted for special eervittee. Sias' 1838 there have been y millions voted proems this ; The Chancellor of . e f ; r rpeo lt b s a Pl i f i ti lli l tr u e. iirvi er d. f an or ar d tb ks— i e n tih p li s e t h y s L i a f i . a ye m N a i r ti o th t 7e im tsufmm gguree in the u said of it, and the expenditure for the next year is the whole sum plus the sum for the special services. So it has ' gone on from year to vear,till you have added sines 1835 this enormous sum to the national expenditure of the country. During the period of the insurrection in Canada there were ten millions granted for its summon sion—very nearly the whole value of our exports to Canada for a year. This is how our expenditure has grown up. My hon. friend has dwelt on the sub feet w.tb much ability, and his entered into detail., further confirming my *pintos on the subject of armament. We have got at present in Canada 9,000 men, and before the ia surreem I believe we had only 2,000. Now, I quite agree with my hon. friend in the statement he has expressed, that you 0•11 do nothing with thus armaments without going M u the extent of the forces. It is • delusion if you think the meant he promises to save can be used, When we keep up the prevent amount of forces. A gentleman had admitted to him, that there was great lavishness and great extravagehm, but he said it was in the dock-yard ; and another says it is is another department, but the reduction must be mad" in the amount of the forces. If thew dock yards—if the bar racks, and there vest establishments have • clear distinct relation to the amount of the forces, it is as necessary that they should be maintained as the permanent establishment. (Hear, hear.) Now, I have observed that, wh his quetion of face is brim.% before the House cf Commons, toe o ioister saes, "Oh, we 011/1113% enter into that—it is • question of confidence ; we cannot go into the questa oft of tmling you why 26 hips and 6,000 men are required in the Mediterranean. You must vote this number of men to be necessary, and then you are at liberty, it you please, to go into the hest mode of keeping the force when von have allowed us to set up this estahl aliment " S. come toes were appointed last session, but those committees were see Inhibited from inqu iring into the only quest free womb insoiriag into—notely, what are the permute and distinct iasket said to be obtained by our . resent amount of lam t It was the play of Hamlet, with the pat of Honitet out (Applause.) Tutu gentleness were to be allowed to Inquire into mattes is way* it was imp weible they could seas to 'jag dodge without pe.gesitad skill of Feder slang knowledge. They were to be allowed to (noire whetter • great ship had hem constructed in the cheapest and best manner; whether the greatest amount had been made by all the scorner mother ; whether the Ships' topsail, and masts had been bought in the cheapest market and pre served is the beet manner. All thaw measures that req prefonional skill and professional' ezperienee to give an opium on, they were allowed to inquire into to their Imorte content. It was very wall known that they would get into an anonaoss pante, and Windy emit the only reel W ised "' el ialrietaato — subeles Rhea Is this foreign policy —etbes Mimes of powee—thie se penevared my main it necessary IR r i ll s - Payers of this county to *Spend • sum 0 eighteen magma a year as a pease este blisbment—to keep Rage .ea W Metes in tbotZd ? Now making greet parades M the • was open to sot. victims; he was not gnaw to set himself up as an authority. Bet If any of these rent lights who understand whet is sesautby the " Mimeo of power," would only condescend to ex plan it to m—if Om would cow to ask us to take it as a men matter 1111 kilA and omfidenee—if they will only show me it is nommary, which I very much tear their ability to do—for any argasamit I have heard, ca non reigned by public writers, has totally failed to convince me of the policy of the amount of armaments we keep on foot. (Hear, hear.) I believe our parade of armaments in the Mediterranean and our keeping of five and twenty ships, with 6,000 or 8.000 men, sailing about together, has pat European powers in • fever end excitement. Why, what would to our feelings, suppose, for Ratans', that the United States were to send into the British Channel 26 ships, 9of thin line-of battle ships, and having on board of them somethi ng lik e 6,C00 or 6.000 men, and that this squadron were to sail about, making &grand chew and parade, sometimes before the Is le of Wi g ht end sometimes before the entrance to the Thames, would not the people of this country very justly soy, " What is all this about ? " If the reply of the United States to the ques tion were, "It is to give countenance sod protection to our trade," as was said of our semadron in the Mediterranean should we not suspect something? Should we cot imegini that there was some object in view —(hear, hear) and begin to be uneasy ? should we not ny, " These people • must keen very well that is totally timesaver, to keep up this display to give countenance and support to their trade? " (Hear, begs.) Yet the United Stales have a far better roes eon for adopting such a poisey in the Britilt Channel than we have at psuesnt for adopting it in the Medieersansan i far the United Semite have • far larger trade, and a greater num ber of more nimble ships coming vp to the entrance of the British Ussanel, and communicating with the ports of the Combust and of this weeny, than we have coiner up the Iloditerrasseaa Sea. (Chancy Now, it is quite right that isiseennes of parliament shmid Inform themselves on these I qmseloas. lad, as our statearam will net cnadeseenll to en plain what one force is kept up fcv, I will tales the liberty of reading to you the preamble to ere Mutiny Act, which will show you what parliament says it I for. This Mutiny Act is passed every erosion, to give power to the army and die eipline to the various estabtiehments. The old Mutiny Act of 1689 sets forth, " That the ra sing or keeping a standing army in the country in time of peace, ,"deli it he with the consent of parliament, is against law." It then sus s, "ant it is judged necessary by thew majesties aud their parhameut, during the present time ef danger, and for the defence of the protestant religion, to continue and augment the toren now on foot." (L nut laughter.) That was the old Mutiny Act. Well, the new one, under which we now live, awns " That it is judged necessary by the crown and parliament to a body of forces for the safety of the United Kingdbm, and for the preservation of the balance of power in Europe." (Renewed laughter.) Here we have what =misters will not tell us; here we have • reason given fir the main mimeos of a standing army. Is is for the preservation of the balance of power in Europe. (Hear, hear.) Now, I woe with my hon. friend Mr. C Men, that if there be one aberration of the mind more melancholy to labour under Una another, it is to suppose that we are to embark in that old, 1 worn-out policy , of maintaining the balance of power, and metieg out to the different powers of Europe the exact amount of dominion which each in to possess. (Cheers.) 1 The balance of power is an old, exploded doctrine, like that of the balance of trade. (Hoar, hoar). It is an antique ab- surdity—it is a strange relic of put times ; and I hope that, when the next Mutiny Act is about to he passed, my hon. friend, who hes taken such a deep interest in this matter, will have it expunged from the statutes. (Cheers) Do not let it be put on our statute-book every year that we are Imbibition for the purpose of keeping up the balance of power in - Europe. (Cheers.) I know that authority has great weight with an assembly such as that which I now see around me—and, in fact, anywhere else; and we have great authorities in fawner of the reditction of nor forret. What said Sir R. Peel in 1841 ? Why, 1 will undertake to emelt that Sir Robert Peel, in 1841, made use to sumiger laaguage on this subject than perhaps any other gentleman who has spoken upon it in parliament. I will take the liberty of reading to you what he did ay upon this subject, because, when certain great people will not condescend to explain, we like to have authorities. What I am about to read was uttered is 1841. Sir Robert was not then in office. (Laughter.) "Is not the time come," asked he, "when the powerful countries of Europe should reduce those mtlitary armaments which they have so sedulouil raised ? Is not the time tome when they should be pressed to declare that there is no use in such overgrown establishments ? " (Much cheering.) Yes, Sir Robert Peel Auks if the time had not come in 1841, and we sok, in 1849, if the time has not come ? Sir Robert went on to say— ""they are, in fact, depriving peace of half of its advantages, and anticipating the energies of war, whenever they may be required. Ido not mean to advocate any romantic notion of each nation trusting with security the profession% of its neighbour • but if each nation were to commune with itself, and ask w hat is at present the danger of foreign Invasion, compared to the danger of producing dirsatisiection end dis content, and curtailing the comforts of the people by undue tandem, the answer must he this, that toe danger of ag gression must be infinitely less than the dente' of those suf ferings to which the present exorbitant expenditure must give rise. (Much cheering.) With states, as with indivi duals, that most unpleasant day, the day of reckoning, c' mes round, and when, in their sober moments, men calculate the relative advantages of immense armament., and the Mu slims of military glory, with the cost of the taxes to pay for such explode, they come to take • calmer and more discreet view of the comparative advantages than they could be ex pected to do in the moment of excitement." (Cheers) That Is precisely what we are now doing. We are taking a calmer and more ditereet view of these things then has been taken at former periods of excitement. We prefer a reduction of armaments to the present amount of taxation levied upon us to pay for those armaments. We should still do p in our beds, even though we were told that some of the line of battle ships were coating home from the Mediterranean. (Laughter and cheers) I would brig them borne, put them up in elbeernees or Portsmouth, give them • con of white paint to prey, at the sun from penetrating their sides, and there they might lie, moored side by side, until the day came that we wanted them—a day which, I hope from the bottom of my heart, may arrive. (Cheers.) If I am not trespassing upon your time—(cries of "Go on")—I will take the Liberty —nay, I must take the liberty—of giving you a poetic quotation which Sir Robert Peel made use of on the ermston when he was advocating a reduction of overgrown military establishments He said : "Not high-raised towers nor masted gates, Not eines proud with spires, And turrets crowned t Da bays nor bread..armed pop Where, laughing at the stor m, Ruh maim ride ; not gay end spangled courts, liters low bowed brooms Waft. perfume to pride. No, but man, Nigh-into .ed man, with powers As far shore dull brutes endued, 1 In forest, brake, or dell, As these and cold rock , or brambles rude." The spirit of this quotation is that which Mr Cobden has advocated with eo much eloquence to-mght, that it is not in a ; angled courts, in towers, in cities, in navies, or Vulvae, or spires, you can depend for safety ; but that it is in that gene ral attachment to institutions which arises from a conscious new of their justice—lrom a feeling implanted in the breasts of the whole community that the taxation is really levied foe their benefit—that they derive advantage from that taxa tion in (pod and efficient revemment, ono ;hit not one far thing is taken from their pockets, either to panda rto some particular clam who may have an interest in military glory or exploits, or to be given away to noble families or to an aristocratic claw who may need it. (Prolonged and vehement simians.) We know, as the old proverb tells us, that " a minty title butters no parsnips.' If you have titles, you must have money ; you must have power, also, to Rive what is called respec t ability to titles. And let us take care that a knowledge at this tee h is not the ground upon which the ex. curive govern ment of this country, from time to time, put- its hand into .he veleta of the people, and takes out their hard-earned money—money earned by the sweat of their "rows—to be masted upon use ess pensions and sinecures. (Loud cheers. Now, there has been an assertion male that we cannot effect reduction+ to the extent of 10,000,4901. a year. But why not ? I mean ro say that it has been done before. In 1827 the expen.:i , ure of this country am mend to 55,000,0001. per annum, _and during the period which elapsed betoeen 1827 and 1835 it was reduced by a larger amount than 10,000,0001. --it was reduced to 44,000,0001 At 'het period there was only the same "margin," as it is called, to op rote upon as paid on the national debt ; you had all the difficulties to con tendoe arecom pli e bed io former times by app-als to parliament, as they the leading whiff statesmen of those days—surely, I say, if it could be accomplate d in times goo , by, it could be sec implished there were :itah o th at iwh ; 0 made, session alter session, by there was the same amount of severest to be you have now ; and if such a reduction could now. (Hear, hear.) But it has hewn tweet e d that, in order to enable the goverment to effect this large amount of re dueti:ni, Sir .1 meg Graham sold off all the stores—that he left the dockyards in a state of dtatitution, and that we this " false and dangerous mammy." as it was bulge i. But Sir James Graham does sot admit the truth of this it, i a silify the mi -d tot every in 1R35. to eons. qurnee of cochtulrdgen;ot nay,have fin ed oduetnahi denies pa (Hear, hear.) I m • you a will V ou a re, ain chy it comet be true, and one which w l in thin assembly. Sir Jam a o!aliam left ts e Ad man and Sir Robert Pe.l wt; the Doke of Wei n:Wally in 1834, it in the fullest and . most and se tis h iac e tor h a' s manner, rl'futed lingoin brnu ht in the estimates of 1834. 1:11. y proposed • 'e lection co 1,00 0 men on th e number which h., I Gra ham r at peep red, and also a smaller vote by nearly 100,0001' art• h. se slur. s van he was 'Whig to atomic to p.m .meet.l there were no stores, and if the force WWI t .0 !raw, why did the Duke of Wellington propose to do with 1.000 men new, an' ti lay out less money in stores? I will eve for your edification a droll paragraph from ote of S.r J. Gra ham's speeches about this question of stores—fur really it ill • strange thing. Glatt the leading articles neees•ary for the [Wing out of ships—for instance, the timber, I believe, the hematite deck planking, and other articles which I could name—Sir J. Graham left in the do Icsarits • la •ger stock than was usually kept There was, I believe, a greats per centime of each article left. To show that he tied not re iduced the quantities too low, he referred to the amount of stock on baud , and to give you some idea of wrist h e satd, I will Wade his statements as to some small mitts Of • ,1 119: 1J 4