The Express. — London, England, 1849-02-20 00:00:00

dal ask Lay sae Medea Win thdr WM. for a Awns. epos pub, the seimiedia of ahlawy by the wV • we thatand, ea the row seW be, was is EllaiiV i tii i ;s: sodded le hew the wide. Atheived. It visa most easisosade, sapid, lei lee wiliest to say, dist mee tdap la this ermeAry ins biliewialk. By the laws of Milkedk wad dbethethe, bid it wee set a eiersuat. He (the Rai et Abode's) wee wlllisg or meat to say masses whisk might pew* jos* ken gobs kite desk--' is seeds the maielifi l =gi laud sad idle selessare of die kw bat The pollee ilielkod thee piethe/Ay esikad with the kw es it stood. Tot lib ows pi" be lei se objeillis le the pia ciple of dis Ilegthrstlia lei le awe desiesthyrod to any nawilliwa opus works Moo the MINN traw. dap, what wee a seems at the redid bisidess the essinel Wight of his gm hooey= sp. tiagi, imam. Mikis Mike they hied wit ki rt purest kw. He eshouriedged dot all tar desks mm iew sheath be diusersged as auk es bid be did 1114181•10 they wee die rusk of the law. He wadi ad eyed M the nide keg leg li w iree - reis poems or were wire milled er mogul frith 14.111lik wise, he daunt the proposed issuers was ms able, and with . very roped fm the laws of Ispland,"Lires opislen that efe swerkge law of thetlead, as It stood, wu Jost as Alden' or way law sluff be. Lod BROUGHAM said it woe • most ushetasithe eir eusetime that the nankin sad regisloodos amid to hue hese wedded together. (A kook) The moths were wry bed, ter, doe& each sums eseeedned ispere asi lme thins. Om t he s nosy It eras Marivg= s w e e i nt2sted to soth gib the Bill, while it was jut the other way. TM ht 3 surmised is. duo which was de/Molly improper, • is his had kneed • put dui store bitter tsetsegsimi the LIMA they say ethe r einsoutases. In es eland the peewee law of lisedand wee eery szeilleet Se approved of the prepped nesssies, and thought thus sistrisisly I esistery: Thee would throw lopidintents p s . : a m of desiestine sianisees, which wens always M end uksidevess. Hie sable Mead seer h:as (,liar Bell of Abseil's.) dated that people could sot be fawn al their iesolope lbothod. (A keel) Now, as (LerElkooglioth) soli alio* tha t there were many genus is Bestired Way igniend oldie facit—(lsegttlier) —sol hew set wads* aey won married or sot. (laughter.) His it wee • wry Moe thise to prove, th e rends wee the ISWIIMMIS twist et lidgedes to prove the otpospie sad their its le pew* He believed W wee PreM i n is i a this m:ff it kiaa essi=l ai rl i oa e r r ies . ;c o . It Wahl boo Marta es a=l hie, that is Bosh sieed them go Mid Mb I: 4 ll= sa ltsitee okimits. Me It • re. et the Mil beam their LAW that it went Eis the kw ef ainkges. wilhost say esteles woelekriethee with Ili law of Awes. (Hear l h m ezi his dear 'plebs that the sea seaa Lad had due well he welkin himself to a re- Atha of thous onevialith sad sosiliedes suet. mob by whisk mew the wades state of the be,, it was very podia kr visa to balseardlud by the isthisse demos et kw ia lagland whe would be loath- Asia is the dole, of the .solo courts. Os these be was mewl is it.. the bill is the beads of dodos y e, eats atamailisi to their ossoldsistios the VirelfYr hod advissed sad whisk he denied to be Zed ofrIiRDIRN, is uphsellis, sthiesited that way the who should judge ef the man of the eisadog state at the law of pinky fa _tied its.. the "psi width bed boss jut ddivoied by his sale sad keened fried, might be Wend W isiebsslbielhe pester paths of disk lovably' . thee woe poll West sad daunts* ups *pp& tress aside= ef the Omits Id Soden& is emu of cesteelsii sod dessothes sesenst ef dories- Neely sr /loyal se co. ) hid been at the lteshho seilleg fir rams the Oserte of dories, touides the melte of snob proseelep thus it the kid sham yews. And ken este aw ee nless it appeared, that hi all that pried, sea doe the ex thissien et the old essissive of the sadist Con . sheolal Cowls 4 sea us , Oates. mesh appeals ken the Orals d lie tau bees preesested Is that besse—(hear)—esel d these datum, ia see (sly had the esatises id the spurt below hese reversed. (Hear, bear.) Oat of the whole 103 ewe of this kind that had loss Wu dual ado that curt, ealy sights= had both dully in pithead. Lard CAMPBBLL begged to uplais, for the farther is /maths *I style kris that of the Ith cases alluded to, the zianisges le 34 had boss declared to be velid ; is 31 se isatenio had NW/died their validity end the other 'mwe kit in sush a wile. es that, in .11 inns& pro it would Is be d s passible to demonise who lbrais think's" is win good ce bed, is:lew. (A /Mos thee reed aseeend time, end esekeilled it Tees* seaeighL Their lordship this efliewseL HOUSE OF COIIMONS.—MeNDAY, Fan. 19. The SPIAMIS took the choir et 4 Abet. Bir R. Loom took tie oaths sag Me oat tar Deveashire. Mr. F. Balling took the oaths sad Me east tee Reettbrd. OUTHANFFON MALL TENIMINTS BATING BILL. Oa the soden kw the wits it seadthe et this bin, Mr. COCKBURN ft, ffleivtaa s 'Hash& cakestand W have • IS was scow Wended by_this NI Is sate alweirante wader the annual vela, of 101., is the ems et the Mined fathead et the bawd, the wassequate et white weal he that ell the rows would be swept Wile maidelpel wed peibenestary lista It wee a piece et asee d legitheites. It wee Wooded se make the swans et man wise wore least able to bear odd/bowl h= r iereill the soma of large pro perty were to enjoy went inmeaft.lb hid peen seed a pendia ben the twits aneell feethemptia, wha, W a nalority of 23 to 9 Mouthed to give every wattles to this The parish at IS. Pithy, whisk was plialealmt-, sleeted by tab asse bums there the mar Maass is W e s bead te be • stalste thejaelty, aslsmissi against this bil'. He meted sa ea wisiabasat that the bill lee read a mead tithe Ws day eth maathe. • _ _ Mr. WILLCOX seesaded the emeadeaest, cemeerrisa in all the objesekno stated by his boa. eallesinae. The bill had cee object I. view, whilst More wee a differ at its is the haskgratad. It was a well fa amp's clothing. Mr. MACKINNON said that Ifs rubs ia Southampton were extremely heavy. There WINO 9,000 permits rated. of ark= 1,000 rid no rates *heaver, end the rates fell heavily ea the other 4,900. It wee prepeeed by tbis bill, that if the rate was sot paid by the miewier of the very poor tesessals, he should bays ths wer at is it hew tbs rest, if)* 411•99 de, oe po if le ha Esis lbei lie r s lb' balked it swam d property * be said to de so. Moue was Mk* sway the Modes It the Wisest alms ts rots bs bet slabs is de hat to pay the rate, by drilueVai so mash him rent. 'lbws was a sasibar sf purr tessisests ha hi per Wawa, who bad smolt sly property, sod th pi sfrses wens Eakin 10 or 11 per slit. se the wow bed bid sat. Wises at ifs tows mud wen se Stew fins.. la *Muss as Sweaty Marna pines a shallop bill bid less pawed, sad lad walked prissily well. It bad ambled the st to per Toss Is be more effectual ass it bad iebee bean. TM bill was supported by a large issiarity is army wiry. Nit. COMPTON domed that this bill would not be a herds* ea ths paw, but. tbs sestrary, would be very adveMMIMMIS Is thew Manillas. was that the rents were so hid tha• Sts WOWS esiM sat pt assn, aad if the oc cupiers wise mamas* Ise to pegmest at its. it fell very betray es the dos hasesaMsb above sham lir. RUHR mid that then woe is dada the poet teen tell very heavily as swill proprietors. Simi& rest podia smut, by every seam in its power, try to Masse these poorer thews to pa the rams ? The area otrepresentatias aught to be *wear* sot diminished. Oa that gross& be tted that this mode of logidadatt to mom the poet of say portioaler party wi. bog. They ought set to take away Elm the poor mu asy ladmemast to pay his Mo. It,. MINTZ thought that the taste would be at the may d the loadisaL He bad settling to do but sot to pay the rotas, sad this the tisaats were all dietramisied. Par the eased realiog Agpied it POOR LAW. MIL WILLOUGHIT wished to ask the dad eammis • *mar kr the admiabitatios ol the poor have " if nay is • laillatios has lees magma that pew rates have boss es • wind la old el wages, seder the head of beseadest carmiam la some pens et Lumahiss, modally at Asians se, nag the his twelve maths sad .wetter . sormisr has hem temed ea that edgest by the esmaalesioa." • Mr. 'Anise said that se Adel isformsties bad bees imbed at the poor-law board mapealog the eireamessee oiladed a ile the has. bans& There yea as area of tho band the espesditise a/ Wes to aid of hat he &at there lad lees a penal dert hum ow& mar in nada immaltalarZe im ma. The loud had • Mit so area esnalissiog mob RISOLIIII 'WORM= IN MANOR Mi. H. 001111ANZ IBMS& to haw whether the I wahmea wht MI loss expelled from Treace the into / minks bad Imes paid W emoent at their to the leash main beam. lAA 1. INISSILL maid sot 'wawa the speedos with out mdse. Mr. & COCHRANE wad& repast dm qualm taday. HILLIIII4I PRISON. *Mamas SIDNEY asked the right boa. r limmary the Rime whether the damelliimot lie si eame Re w =prion was a easerdomas of the =et the sn Rola wished slit lnow wtheitima warms* sioest toMamsmd die odsplion el ea =lima gam el palms Alias throughout the king.dew • Sir O. GRIT did sot law that any dosadiliss odb was at pnwat gelsg ea is the prima. • yeti VI ma ism altemitham had bees as* Ist the demi to be the mama' a sad the = tll Tr im mers. mast hai et ammo reemameaded that the enarate elioubi lam la view la the mastmeties of pole, =l i t was set his iareatise to Wag is say bill aatherising the or metary dads to Weave ea milieu mast. TOMO= TWISTS. - - Kt. zalliLierVagbasiaritol;;r7; boa the Isola gummy tar tin boas ettparahast idiatitat tko ke wag anneal warm relative to tags sad tssupi taws bal Mra the labia ? Ha thosaft ft tatvlialla that *ay awls lave seek atoms previous to the disdain' at Taripiks 'hero Dili. Hr. C. LEWIS sad that tto rvu k had hose hid co die abis at the does el last If say furtika imbroglios two ouralli M aft wells poopoold to ski COMM &ATM Kr. MUNTZ asked I/beam it Mika to brims la say seems oil as have *sir ova pole sad grew dm Glebe emir rater. de G. OW balievoi that ihe a Owes bin *OW kw Irak wilbilio Isa gm eivoles tie ding st ken Ile evaegg raw Na vegamialies Well ea Ste engeetklasor saw WIN demo maw skidiggif 011147 1 usilwalmed that lb, stodge et lis we sew Win a awn el lad • • ' la the Barbegair Metal tone *mkt ea inoribea by the be eetabildhed. be (lir O. Grey) the titled to as vet altorg that liability, EMIGRATION. Mr. SCOTT roes to aik the tinder Sesestary of gate for the Casein the questions of which kis kol glaa klm nodes volitive to migration to the Australis* 'thesis. His rea son he ding ea was, Ma as was mil Mem to the les. gentler% the Atws.Yaa Weeks Awl how in the habil of missile while eed ammeyVette udes hess this merry, with now they prebend holt and Maw the ear amber; and they a et wane and peek& s reedy to roam into then terms, std get rid of *M I S. population, by paying half the inane of Om at home at a eel. =Li what wig misted eini and bed Ism carried as to a greet extant. N ow if he was ceimaly informed, and he believed he wee, 1,00 0 form for free pumps, %mai to 3,000 prem, and at the mee of 101. par bond, had bee seat down to Delasisitire, thereby sodding the Maim with the bards. ef Atha for the INIMMINS of UM betted et ON PO MO. vi. eofilt ham gene waive the misted melt. Ist isgehise IMO Of the beset**, esught, and this at a time Mhos the appli cations for sighted peaseges were so MINN= that between onwtherth 11111•6111 k - of those mignift edit have been os paymmt lave to weds, while time whe psld were to go directly. H. misestood that lbw were notawe peses fie' that Dorset sad Wilts we filled tzse 2th by ream of their. ambers, and who were awed to pew ea payment of the meth He wished to *sew if that ere true, sad therein* .eked—" I. Hew may free to the Aumellam eoloni.m Is h she present i et the Coiesial•ollies to giwito Domani Wilts. S. irbidise ie ie Weeded to de the ems I. ether, and what awaries 8. How mesh Mee i.e reseses will (at the amemei ems per Used death sedate adak) east the esiosy to whisk they go. 4. How may more Mimes **km gem if the great had bess made to sariesi arced of free pessingem d. Whether it is intsedad that they Mudd ham the "sheens over previa', apelike's* fee misted weeps and imiltheedy, while these lathe see aegis& I, The mouth of eiiesial foods at present available he malgradea." Mr. HAWS. sold that there me se faisseton on the part of the Hairation Cu'.ommiseim to eive a preference to them two meties. The feses were that two ships were Mid ea the berth at Plymouth, bat the ember of migrants neerrar ien beteg ic =erdthelesey was made up from the Ile did not beam that the number wee ea gnat se had bass stele& This explanation meld ski sieve mos ismer to themes& quietism. As to the third, the MONINWIIII4 be about 141. a had, and. of s tmt * if the thirst* had bees " misted," •.a greater =mbar algid have gam (Hear, Mr.) bray, no re hears was iseeried hr one caseaty over smother. The MI at the dbpseal of goverameat woe now reduced to about 50,0001. Mr. SCOTT—But them has hem mimeses. Oa.-fourth of the misted presagers are sow waling. I wish to know whether them twe maths are to have the 60,0001., to the erelnitha ef Esrlaad and Seriland ? If 1,000 forms, 8,180 perms bad Ma sett to Dorset and ,Sr in at would be just 41,000 i., red would leave oily Bel the resestaieg had for the whole of Great Britain and hued. He shield be glad to know if any contemn dense whisk had Mos plea ea the subject would be laid lea the table. This woe the mare desirable, se it might semove the envision that the arrangessentaof goverment "rem made with a view to akar the estates of certain gentle men at the exposes of the rest of England. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HAWBS woe set aware of the mistime of any math comespeadesee. ANNUITY ACT. Mr. MIME aid that dories last mien he had presented may petitions frees Hanbergh relative to the Annuity AM. He whited se Mow whi th er my report had been re ceived riposting the fflatiea of** ass, and whether any somerse for its alteatloa were ematemplated daring the present mica. Lord J. ROWELL add that a gentleman had been sent Se,lamb to mike hipsiries. His report whoa recoived math be laid ea the table. - - SCOTCH FISHERIES. Mr. NUMB voted whether any bushy had bees made We the proceedings tithe fishery board of Scotland, or es to the necessity of centlnuing that board ? Mr. LABOUCHERE mid that Mr. Jobs Wears had Scotland, and had fully_ isvestigated the enaction. The purport of his report. which would shortly la laid on told., was that while certain meseares should be taken M nines the expenses of the fishery board. it would not be impeding* to abolish it altogether. Government were pre mai to met en the suggestions of the report to diminish the enpanws. bat ornately not to abolish the board. HOW CORPUS SUSPENSION ACT. Oa the of the day for the third reading of this bill, Mr. J. O'CONNEhI. said he felt bound to take another dlehien on this bill, bat to save the time of the home was willing that it should take pion on the amendment of the mob= lord the member for Aylesbury. The SPEAKER intimated that the bill must be reed a third time before the ameadment of the noble lord could be prat. Mr. I. O'CONNOR opposed the motion, and oemplained of the apathy with which Irish questions of the last import sues ware treated by English members. The hon. and learned sombre oeoupied the house nearly an hour and a remit the whip of having hatred sad aneour alai it suited their purpose, and without any arese= sa = they came down sad asked parlianwat to ens peed the einsitutiousl rights of the subject, to prevent the Nee aspemiles of public opinion, whin their owa objects hal hem alias& Or O. GMT mid that perhaps he owed some apology to hen..rallimaa who bad just sat down, he having Mishit bles aims treaty minutes ego thee be had than sash= ea Mew The Ma. egoism= enamel '-Drat hang bola lammed that he moan hour ea lb*" bathe LIZ= now for nearly en bear and a half, sad he had twenty-1m Washes ohm rying he was only going la geed mid speak he it seimelen (Haar, kw.) Now, on PAWN laths he of the ainsalty ea the 6th of February, theca itret no his. psmisima would be holed voting on the mein ihr Wilke he disimileafteselsaar. f" Hear.' owl konabeer) If wartime mall madam bin (Sir O. Grey) of the aleimity of limitV eilkesees la Witham, it would he the visa they had beard, because if ell the estraneous matter it swished hen swaged. it would have lima as ellMelve god a be hotter cob *ea It was. (" Hear, bear." sad renewal Isogbior.) haw neither it was semseary at present M miens the hirenhe, be muse the hew. samba be limenials bil threwn out a seggemisa whisk sewed to met with the accoimenvi at the heap—arealy, to Mks the de bate ea the emeatimmt et the amble huh appetite (Led Nepat) oiler he third ZZ I : s I the bilk this* manhoes who dissented hem its new raserdles thole praise' speMet k. If this were adopted, there wwli bi samba uppeatunity of epselderg ea the man Twi ll" ad bee Majesty% ministers inlet dila della the Use 4malest they bad thought roils? 40 berses. (Ham) The Ina. mamba. tor Nottinileua might be,. spared him self di the tremble of reading the waren naiades to the ismilielhael wise of the Hams Ompas Mt Nobody dished the imams value M be altiebsi to the previsions of hoe ad I bat the ben. member mot know that the valeta ausishativel avMharilbs had MI that °serious slight aziel, whoa. k grim to reserve the mashation, it would be memory to ennead the mt. (Hear, bees.) An WM* had been gusted Ms the may el hh oath Mead at the head el the sasna. ia it was esniesill halt was net the iliest et the ananlea lb. est to la. Mine with say moms ethe leaden at ea hierames ha who were the state, and delartiag *i ns g r , gm& lynliy, zr ia ft woe priebely =with d icer. johla view last year. that th e saminden °Me a pee AA had bens nen* ; ma, it those eatbadthe dbb weeepead, as to tha base of the Habeas Carpus Act, were =ln Wirt the gemnd pospeeitioa sow mole to su b, Ss hew snot iseillest that they were of owl ba se last par to what they wow as. The eel bed nat Iva edeteed spirit humiale ma thousands of par owles het la beim& who were well atbotd. It had hem adores* he hailers ead i Vies el the issureedea ; sad holism lad new by Modem Antal that this wee set the imessat to he onvamlea. Biliseing that that deities' weal& net new le *area, he hewed the bean wain eimeat hive eto the Oil ;nibs, sal peeped efterwarie mils OM a the samminisil. (Anhwei, aad ales et Ddeillo_ lir.RO add that se ;a sal,mt Irish latioloot be could not eater ism ma smdri mdsg with the sowenneat with wihrease Is Ms =z e le s this mean». The spa& die ol lighthes, the ha the Home Departasentbed tailed M eenthee bl. hat was any reams why the Oaths et he b pespi should new be impended. The Teem al that day bid downol Owe Leland wee separated hem this eanatty; sad preetimip, for the pea ales of this melba were mein es revel= the Taiga. (A laugh.) Her. members on both ides of the lease seemed to los unpervared with say really lionsield messarie ihr Ireland. What did the boa. iambs, IV Beskinghsenithe peeves to de whoa he some late power This wei m a i V ok not wily answered. but the hew IMF bac hal prewholl that the bambini should pet be valliesed la sad that the b thumb Amid use leashedg eak braihse, be wee prepared to keep her a agialsi ire. The slight lea. Wrest the member he Tesseeth had shied that he bed no mann _pew h that Inlaid had boss is dielesitL e Ld ea ltel ip t Ir d. y esgie tern met wait. Now all this might be mama up is these hw wade--wait until the pm WM firmin Isehml. (Heer, hear.) He payed beams M Mini Masai beim& hem palate state.sa (Langb sard'srbor.dtrli *t.:117,114 1 ":1" tpo= l " . g pma mast the pear miss the lid. y wall anitod alitelit irelalat them he. Pi& pupa MI la older to extermisertellse pesjarC a re plea ia have that ellistia helf amatory, Suitt la Assails would Weems the biota dim alt imam ase-harth of IND Wing debt magi ji the seven el by mile : 3 gft rignsesteg s by* the et X,111!!....1"11 ben. 16. 10 0 .9 11 /7 in /Min ipseib M ieriastbeueffigsaa is as refilln pristestant, equal every reopen on an equal lioaldimen. (Hesr, from Mr. Mama He Wit mid (m revered in Hansard), that reread a thin was no example of a country =or llll a ()sedition as Leland. He Inv to the allimilllinil state of the Irish church tad other Irish insure inn. Mt odd, that when an attempt was made to him esnatrymen they took the field and Wa lled, ewe religion ; and he asked the government to gin to Inland the same privileges in that respect as were seined by the people of England and that lead ; by removing • dominant church establiement He 1144 that want of employment was also a great evil, sad that in that year, 1824, we were sending oat of the coantry upwards of 30,000,0001. of capital, of which not one shilling found its way to Ireland. He raid that the tease of that was want of security to property, which was itself swing to dissenteat-that dimeatimtbakeg radioed, and naturally so, by the het that a her Imam& thentrad men wire domi nant over the stMese.-basthes them m slam a, and keeping them in a state of thesiate bosiespt. Re salt, moreover, that the isms of the union had bees violated up to that newest. (Hear, hem from Mr. O'Clennell.) That by those tams. it 111111 t raisea iliac Inland slim Oil be treated as Mt at she meter had bemil-et which the . esta- On jury laws, mai tlrs penile of setting wises - catholic, and the eesstesi .ratessl to of eivij and religious right., throated amide proof. Al this he mated nerly a quertea s o i f i =til: l l Mss pioneers remained .tilt had Mph to complain that jostles had egg been dee Ciliharm the sums footing as Wand ea a ibsenr• theme was alth - kept _up _et an enemme One althorns primees ba d died Meth ffiatK. hew mild it be ..urinal at that the kith wow still diescateatod ? He thseothee essionded that which had boss the:ttane of Twined, deemed to drench Imatemat. His hem hind seed why, m ime views, he sow voted Ow seamisn ? Busses r a w i nFopisiout that se lesg ea meanies was anied as in Inland as a system, there would be me sesmig lir property and no likelihood of government introdusing those amemins of relief which he had Ina sines advetateL He supported this bill in mercy to Ike people of behind, end la messy to the hos. member far Limerick, and other wicked men who tried to keep that people in a state of agitatioa. Ireland was new tranquil, and le believed would be kept so by this measure, and he called upon the gonthmet to mall them. selves of that tranquillity, for introdacieg these measures which ware likely to give emeriti to perms end property in Ireland, sad to waviest the people that they wire treated as the = 1 1" a Migoitlllinfie airs of the empire. (Hear, .) Kr. J. O'CONNELL mid the ism reed learned mem ber for Montrose had testa his views on the Irish church a quarter of a sectary ago ; has' why bad he not followed up sad carried oat those views • above all, why did he now seek to prevent all diens:ion in Irelan d on that or any other = In reference to the bill before the house, he his intention to vote against the thir d reading, and also to support the emendatent width limited its operation to three months, believing that mu mown' it endured was a etingieg Weida to Inked. He should be glad to bear English members more gesentßy swiss them selves en this question ; for he was temineed that, es re garded 'lsolated Walt a sort dangerous premien' would be established far isepowlieg the politisal libertiesof tie people. The mile Med alibi Moder the goveminentweght teremem- ber the peasefal pee whisk toss themes dews _by the sight hes. baronet the member hr Tessera. as ths iselpWg ease, as to the way in which Ireland ought to be ; he might also to reeelleet that he semoed the and yet, In the emcee of not onea,.„ lakes towards oedemas. that not one menus kw Wand had bass perm& en had the men is othse were skean; they had been grievously mistaken. Foe new minimises , s7e hr a sad, Jingling all their liberalism . to the winds, a measure of minim far more galli than any it. During the 111 yeah - belted sat in that brim Ca l ireever felt so much the iron of slavery esioneg into his seal as on Friday last, whim this question of eareisa was hastily passed through am of its stages ,• while the bill which amended to Ireland • petty relief bad led to three of the closest divisions which hailtaken place in this parliament. Let them prove to the ' maple of Inland that they could and would legislate justly ' hr - that country ; and her representatives would still blew Mom. netwithatauditig the centuries of misrule which had hem Mr. p, said he was still of opinion that ho ewe bed ism made out for this bill. He would stove that the bid doseld be read • third time that day six months. Ti. ameadment being seconded, a division was immedi ately called ilmr, and the gallery was cleared. The numbers were-For the third reading— Against It 23-14 On the genien that the bill do pass, Lord NUGENT moved punnet to notice, the substitu tion of the words, " Int day of Jan " for t he words " first day of September " in the list clans. He considered it moustrona that the house should denounce this privation of the constitution spine the whole Irish people for so long a period se six months, when, even supposing the measure to be a necessary era, and eves supposing that at the end of halt the period now assigned the evil still subsisted, parliament would, in all probability, be still sitting, and in a position to act upon the necessity. But, let not the hones inflict this oppression upon Ireland for *a hour beyond the abate% necessity of the mac. There had, no doubt, existed a violent malady in the body politic of the Irish nation, requiring violent remedies. The violent re medies had, in ail conscience, been applied ; the disease had abated; on what principle oontians the extreme ties!. sent ? The knee then divided-- For the Amendment.... 11 Against it On the question that the bill be read a third Inte l& J. O'CONNELL moved that the following words be added to the title of the bill : " And for suppressing the ax. pianism of the public opinion in that country." The amendment was swain& without a division. The bill was then passed, and Mr. Bernal was ordered to carry it to the lords. PARLIAMENTARY OATHS. Lord J. RUSSELL rose and said-Mr. Speaker, I have rims to being seder the consideration of this hose* the sub ject of drench' which are nquired to be taken by member. of it. In the course of the last session I had the humour of penning and of carrying • bill for the purpose of relieving her Majesty's Jewish subjects from the diabililles under which they now labour. That bill was rejected and thrown oat in another place, end it Is sow my intention to bring the subject mire com pletely nadir the notice of the house, and to review the oaths Smears now administered at the table and necessary to b. Whim. And if I should be to fortunate as to obtain the toment of the house to go into committee on the subject, I trust I shall be permitted to bring in, es I did before, the bill which I have to propose, and to lay the whole scheme before hon. members. I should state, in the tint place, that I do not propos' to interfere with, or alter, the pew , nt form of the oath administered to Roman catholic& The lona of that oath, after having operated to the exclusion of the Roman catholic@ for 160 yens, was dell. besately settled he the year 1420-sew 20 leen ego. The SOMA Wheals have slam OM peeled sit ia this and the other hoar of podismost slier taking the each se now framed, and although there still y remened sum MIL-akin with reopen te the In of ula el the eeth, still the bones and the 'sentry ',anal remain satisded that the oath is fairly tears sad honestly ohnomed,, owl throsfors, as allaresameyossaritg ia of by _loe Ism noir i =mod, I shall net seek to is the darislea et the . oa that part tithe &jest. Bat if I &WU mak belts to atheism" he asadolmation the edim 'mho which aro taken by mentlosm at the Whim I dada sea bandy fell ia eitsin lag the serest or these to whom 1 sow address imposW, to man with me ha ephdea that they do not sisommAisto dm eToiset ere mwhisink ta ba li t Wee My ram meavil aol the or we latanisd Mate , a mesas of iodides, the o=l sod et emboss of Min hones. Per the mosso of lady opalillod to psalms - &Moe, it is now Impassive es ummbaos to Mks the MOP of alloplease to the somealim mad of Mbomou to the at alastdoseent of the mom. But it it timid be hum' on ammissties that these aloft amain man that is idle* mammary as well as asabignoss, and Impedmi undo' re draint upon a part of her Majesty's saliposte width are wholly unjustifiable-if the fact on emminaden pew to be as I dwieribe it, you nal probably agree with me is torsi- Awing them to be in so far defective, and that they sequin resensidention with a view to their shanties. la consi dering them oaths I will take them is their nail order, and arm thaw abandon to the oath of 'Unclean, the lona of which is nig r " I, A. 8., do ancerely promise aid swear that I will be faithful sad beer true aliegionos to low Hdeety Queen Victoria." To that form of oath I entertain se sort of °Voodoo. Tie next oath is that of supremacy, and I shall sow ask the house to Hates to Lord Elder's as to the prigin and purpose of this oath. In the question relative to te o admission of the Duke of Norfolk to the office of earl marshal of England, from which he had been debarred by the oath of , m assy, lard llidcm said, "With respect to the wa il of allegiance that is to be Wean by the Duke of Norfolk es esti timbal, I as a lawyer say that oath contains ell that is sin tined in the oath of supremacy, sad I say that the eath of empreensy was added to the oath of sagging* se ea expo nuke, and as Sir Matthew Hale Morns me le artier to tenni the iatrieseles of the cub of " 1 Thane" Lord Eldoa, looking to the egides ep lik IlMlhw Hole mesidered the oath of allatinse to paws .p-Mot eim "geared la the oath Id oldesmak, sad that II was only in conasquence of a adosadisslanani atm isch 41 illisplases that no oath of sommi was Wed in order d' W reentry and the - m , ri thus die oath, et ce was sadenteed in the true ems la which it win thoustt to be taken. The hem of the oath of rairrami is this : 'I, A. 8., do swear that Ido from am be=r ii: dant, and abjure, m and heretical, riot asomme and plaid's, that prisms ezeusommisate 1 by the pope or say authority alike en of Rome my bo posed or Manned by their oddest% or by asp sHim Idiflir that the laterpritation put by re whin he has written • at the muse ties I must say that I kit interpretation. All I can imagine _ pur port of the weeds " no foreign prince, person, prelate, state, or potentate loath or ought to • have end i j ii = power, superiority, pre-eminence, or dean ifty or spiritual within this realm," is that no seek emlikadtwY pommned within this realm. But when rs Ram an•liiiMes newt that they understand this oath, as I am led to Wine they do, to mean that no person has or ought to have any Mann ' power, or authority over their minds, then, as it is obses s the pope has considerable inflo w* over their minds, and that his decrees do affect the Roman catholic bishops here and in Scotland, why, in that mum, it cannot be said the pope is without spiritual and ecclesiastical authority within them realms. But, sir, when wo arms to consider that part of the oath taken by Room eathedm which oonespoorls with that por tion bliss ho dants, we fled them wont' " And I de declare that I to not-boilino that the Pope of Rome, at an ether Swags print, prelate, won. date, or potentate, bath or ought to have any fiempand sr siva jurisdiction, age deny_ , or power, direatly or indirectly, wit three realms.'. Therefore, while yen saquiro of the protestant that he shall &dare that the pops link no " epeltual or ecclesiastical" juriedictioa, yft%ly regain of the Roman catholic a decla ration that the pope hail so "civil' or temporal" jurisdio tin. (Hendren.) New, I think it seem to be obvious, if that is ouSeeetesettrity to be gives bathe HOMO. esthetic; who doss pay spiritual obedience to the pope, and who cur slam hint as the head of his chureh t nat it is quite sulkiest for may protestaat to make the suite' declaration that the pip has so deft or tirimponal bristle:lnt la this country. es mattior dents et present, having ajealonsy with regard to Rama tonsils, we require them to auks a ornate de antis amemeibi Ike power and authority of the Pops, sad lottiogiejiminey with regard to protestant", we re. quite Sam Mau • harsher and more stringent declaration thorn we sant be. the Roman catholic'. (Hear, hear.) And yet i them weeds whin are, as I say, totally unseen my, whin pine a gent where it is not required, are thee mmy weeds whisk have been found by some noble lords .09 ems* drrsldm which they think insurmountable, in the war Nib* dada, me peen of parliament, and giving ad obe rani to the crown up= the grave and solemn affairs litho soar. _ I say, air, that this would be a reason, even Nimes &WM be only one persoa who had such a doubt, aullsient tejcatity . os in removing thit which is obviously an security. I cone next to the third oath, the radl i Wk of ethic* after acknowledging the Queen as M lawful and rightful sovereign of these realms, goes as " 17i de adsmakr ant Ineend declare that I do believe in my masebesn that net aay__et the ta of the 011ie, persn who peas tuneed eit le Prime of wales a =he Me of the late b l e as u e IL, ad Mee Its &sem to he sod leek imm ate 'Wad of ling Parka, by Weave et James DI, sr et leallend by larame of Joan TEL, re the style and tide el King of Gemet Bab* mg ren net tills ninimeow to the mon a this realm er erg ether the dembices theaseale heisagfag. And I do reseeme, reties, and Odom any allegleme or Mediesse to wry et them. Such is the solemn declaration whiolt every asaber makes on entering this or the other house of parliament. But now, in considering this part of the subject, let us see how that oath arose. Whoa the House of Hanover came to this sentry, and George I. was king of these realms, there wall a prise* professing to derive his title from King James 11., calling himself King Jaw 111., and claiming the crown of this realm as a right. There was also existing at that time a party, • very considerable party, who regarded his claim as superior to that of the king upon the throne ; and parliament therefore thought it unwary that every pens who took his seat in parliament should take the oath of allegiance, and should at the same time disclaim and abjure the title of the person pre- I g to be the king of these realms. In the omen of Tamestime 111., as he called himself, died, and the claim disendied to his sons. Parliament then, in the year 1768, siodand that his death rendered necessary the alteration of the Woo is which the oath of abjuration should be taken, teed boned of saying that they abjured the title of James they gave the words at present in use, abjuring the title of the ftsaWants of the person preinding te be Janus 111. But that was no doubt as rational a proceeding as maid well be. In the first place there was • pretender alarming the throne, and there was • great party ready, and eve, appearing is arms, in the first ar of tU reign of George I. Parliament then In the first instance called upon every man as • matter of security to abjure the title of James 111., and then, when he died, they again called noon everyperson to abjure the tided his descendants. But now, sines the year 1807 there hue been no descendants of the pence calling himself 'elute 111. (Hear.) Cardinal York, I think, did in that wear, and from that time there her not bees the least aiewity for that abjuration. (Hear, hear.) Therefore, by the sigma oath which we take, alums the title of the descendant" of a person who has not left way doundants the title of a family which does sot now exist , we are guilty of something very like a winery. (Hear, hoar.) Everybody of course knows that if there is any pretence to a titre, it must be in the descend ants of Charles I. and not of James IL • but, in fact, this title of the Quoin is so perfectly well established, that I think it is only necessary to declare our adherence to the settlement of the crown by the act which settles it in the present family, and that it is not necessary to abjure the title of any foreign prince. (Cheers) The oath of abjura tion ends with these words : " And I do make this recogni tion, acknowledgment, abjuration, renunciation, and pro mise, heartily, willingly, and truly, upon the true faith of a Christian." (Hear, hear.) Now, sir, with respect to these words, I argued last year that they were intended as a sanction, and that they ought not to be continued to the exclusion of person of the Jewish religion who had been elected by the suffrage" of any committer nee. I do not wish at this time to go ,gain at length into that argument. I own it appean to me, after all the debates we had lest vision upon the subject, that all the objections resolved themselves into this—that the Jewish subjects of her Majesty were of a differeat opinion in matters of religion and conscience from the Roman catholic. and protestant" wEe might be members of this house, and therefore that they ought to be excluded. Upon this subject I must again maintain that you hod no right to exclude any subject of this realm duly elected, exempt on the ground that some of their doctrine or opinions sew such as to reader them unfit to be members of this house mail incompetent to perform its duties. (Caters.) For instemn, with regard to the Roman catholic' it was at one time alleged—l will not stop now to inquire whether truly or falsely—that they were rennin' with a divided allegiance— that they owed allegiance to the pope, which made their slleglsnce . to the sovereign of these realm, • wholly imperfect alanat ; that they never would be a:do ffed with paying obscei to a protestant soveridga ova pee testant government; but that they would be amsteady attempting to overturn it and to introduce the Roman catholic religion and supremacy into this hone. I say I will an enter into that allegation now, but I will give a ti opinion that if it were proved, it would form • good sufficient reason for excluding Roman catholic' from this bone. (Hear, hear.) So again with regard to the excla. aion of protestant disinter", not from this hours, but from office ; it was alleged that they would use the powers of affirm for the destruction of the established churn—that there would be no security for the establishment. and that they would never onto their endeavours to subvert and destroy it. I say that that allegation was of considerable weight when the question ander dissuades was. whether dismiss ,shmthille admitted to of ire ; but as regale the Jews num ma maws to my that then is anything in their *phasing whin la licetils to the constitution of thin country, or that I they wad use any power Which they paean let the pee pose of Waring or destroying our conmhution, or still is. IN alsomaky. (Hear. ken.) Well, sir, it that is so, this swam th be a ewe of parre unmitigatd penenation—(cheers) a. poising's similar in nature to the violent one whisk led to the hag* tad the elk; and it bears this odious Aston, that hen tis pumas whom you ex:lade you pos. sem every safety nal inanity from danger, Exclude the Roman aattelass ; attempt to morrow to do it, and you ' have laudsdlataly five IR aid millions of people a aide Of WOW sad sotaaperatod discoatent. (Chem . ) Exclude the penman dissenters, sad you bare some three millions of people le the United Kingdom who are at once ea triaged Sam your constitutioa and your laws exclude no Jews and know perfectly well that you are safe is that exc l usion, and that you may enjoy all the triumph and all the pleasure of your permea tion, without expoiyounalves to any danger from their discontent. (Cheer s.) I say, therefore, sir, that that az duties, after the a dmission of Remus catholic* =Of pro. testant dissenters , against whom there were plausible, though by no mesas sufficient. reasons, is pendia, ly odious and ua just. (Hear, hear.) Sir, I will now state what it is that I propose to do with the view of an nding these laws. I have already stated, with regard to the Roman catholic*, that this matter levity( bean mo recently tattled, and there being me sullieleat MKS the din/banes of that settlement, I so eltsentbm whatever. With regard to the other itt=li of her Neitety, I propose that there should be a general oath takes , and. should say that I have taken nearly all the wails of it from the very able report of the cow miallea whisk was appointed by Lad Lyndhurst, and the men et whisk appeared in 1846. Tas fona of oath which I propose m fds a. 8., swear that I will be hided and hem time slieglance to bee Majesty Qom Vitamin ear that I will assinds the semenion oldie mown es adalidlial by imam heitnielee ad he the Wm tics el amorous sad Maw trensing the SOO and lbsethe dike subbed* ; sad that I tie Ist bine Oat the Pere et Bab er any other hedge plebes, pie e, perm, testa et prentem Ima. or sought to hammy ingersal, or ebil *Maim or power, Milan this nobs ; that I will Is the abs a.lb er2 own. the settimat megmer within this realm essitilllskcdby il i a L .., lo g I do id& al reespdh" dealuatha sad promise, aloft, Ulna* ear tray, so hip me Gad. Viet Is the prelim term of oath. I propose emitter eh. la the him he she Jew, the welds "Oa dm bus Vt l i ti tra Christian;" but those words in the ether ado val still be retained. Now, sir, it might be a question whether this words "Chi'the true faith of a Olugatiaa;' Asada ke err Mimi la any of the oaths or tot. I own, with regard., ant setar t ty to be obtained from them, I cans* Wok ell barrier wWeh did not prove of any effect against the aim& don of a Bolingbroke, a Gibbon, and • Wdkee, on looked open as any wry efficient barrier. (Hear, ham) Bet I ma aware that wiretap would be takes of thin 4 hiifaii my that an attempt was made to admit sad miheleb as fete this house, sad that midi wield West Cl Mb ieseeme. I confine the mirk Ire, te these eleven. I leave the Haven ea the feedhm they are at proisot. I s p h lhet Veda Cl ham Kqemy shouM hike the oath I ; sad I premise faiths; that when any pew th i swtepM shall *ppm& the ma oak __ oath, the weeds "On the true leilit Cl a Christian" shall be omitted try him. (Hear lase.) By ' --- means, made sir, I think that the esere of r:S= libertyher eseepiMe. All paw me = of sad lobelias% ef IlMee esehem bs ti have the power a t he ed asembae de mod of Midas their t moo Cl t he by whom they are returned. The people will that which they ought to have—the full right any pima wham it may be their will to cheese otherwise preps* qualified for • seat in this house. There will be no larger the stairs upon us of religious exclusioa and intolerance. The saying of Moir Walnut 111., who had learnt the maxims of reli gious liberty in hisnative country, that " communes is God's provisos," will be carried into effect by the oaths to be taken by means of this house. We shall no long:r hearth. ',poach of excluding any persons on accouat of their religious faith from** privilege of being members of parliament. We shall eomplete that great edifice which of late years it has been the boast of statesmen to endeavour to erect We may be told, indeed, that then is danger in throwing open our doors so wide. My belief, on the contrary, is that whether you examine the precepts of Christianity or the maxims of the constitution, it is your duty, as it is your policy, to throw open thole doors as widely as possible, to place no ririgious bar of exclusion against any class of persons professing any particular religious persuasions. (Cheers.) And in the belief that what I propose to you will clear away ambigaities, remove those puts of the oaths which are unnecessary, and make your whole system defnsible and justifiable is the eyes of this country and of the world, I row ask this house to resolve itself into a committee to consider the oaths to be taken by the members of the two hours of parliament. (General cheering.) Mr. GOULBURN said he was not in the least degree in sensible to the importance of the gime ion which the noble lord bed brought under the considertion of the home. The *iteration of those @Ovate*. by which they had been salls teased hitherto to mum the due execution of their duty by those who were placed in a legislative capacity, could never be other than a matter of serious consideration, requiring to be discussed and decided with great deliberation. It was not his intention to resist the noble lord's going into com mittee for the purpose of presetting to the house the measure which he actually proposed ; but in giving his consent to this first stage of the measure, he mast enter his protest against being supposed to adopt the principles upon which the noble lord recommended it (Hear, hear.) He did not intend to discuss the oath of supremacy at that moment; but he unnamed that when it was Hader consideration in 1829 good reasons were urged why it should be %stained in its then form; and though he did not mean to say that the decision then come to precluded the house from again altering it, yet he meat at once declare that the principle on which the noble lord pro. posed to alter it was net one which he was prepired to sanction. The noble lord said that if any man had a doubt of the meaning of that oath that would be sufficient to in duce him to gra it up. He (Mr. Goulbun) could not think that doubts of that limited description could be anyjustffica lion for the alteration of that oath. (Hear.) The important part of the noble lord's speech was that which related to the effect that the proposed alteration would have upon the admission of Jews to parliament. Ho wished the noble lord distinctly to understand that, though not now opposing the introduction of the measure, be had in no degree departed from the opinions which he expressed last session es to the inexpediency of the adiansion which the noble lord proposed. He felt then, as now, that the admission of Jews would be derogatory to the cha racter of parliament, would diminish the salutary authority which it ought to possess over the people of this country— would be productive of serious consequences on the religion of the people at home, and would operate materially against the extension of religioa abroad. And whilst he 'Meld retain that opinion, he certainly could not admit that the individual respectability of the persons whom it was posed to introduce, formed any just grounds for br eak ing through an important principle. (Hear.) The noble lord told us, indeed, to-night in his speech, that the exclusion of any class of persons from parliament, was in Itself • persecution; that the denial of these privileges was persecution, and that in the case of the Jews we in dulged a pleasure of persecution, because we bad no fears with respect to the powers o(the persons persecuted ; but he was surprised when the noble lad told us that the exclusion of any clam, by moonset an oath, was persecution ; that the noble lord did not read the very oath which he himself pro posed to be taken by members of this house. The noble lord retained in the protestant oaths the words " the true faith of a Christian ;" he did not confine it to the Christian subjects of her Majesty, bat he imposed on every otker subject of her Majesty, be he a Mahometan, or Jew, or any profession not Christian, the very restriction which be himself said, in the ease of the Jew, was absolute persecution ; and in proportion as the number of those who might be candidates far parlia. mint might be diminished, the noble lord introlueed this measure of persecution. (Hear, hear.) As be said before, he did not intend, until the measure we. fully before the house, to go into the full argument; but he was anxious in the outset to deny the argument derived from permeation, and would take the noblelord's own measure as a justifica tion for his denial: andwhen the noble lordtalked of religious liberty being complete, how would he answer the statement he (Idr.Goulburn) had just made to Mehemet Was religious liberty to be confined solely to the Jew, or was it to be ex tended to every mat, how different soever his opinions might be from those of the Christian community ? He confessed he was somewhat surprised that the noble lord should have thought It necessary upon his view of the subject, and retain the two oaths which he now proposed should be taken by the different classes of members of this house. As far as he was individually concerned he would rather see the measure of the noble lord, that he might fully understand the bearing of these oaths, than enter into a discussion on the present occasion ; and as the only object he had in view was to enter his protest against some of the doctrines which the noble lord had laid down, and to state, in the first instance, his determined adherence to the principles which he advocated when the bill for the Removal of Jewish Disabilities was before the house last session, he would not, by any leagthened obeerva lions, interfere with the house going into committee, and his bringing before the house the terms of the oath and the regulations which he proposed should be administered, which, Mtn all, was the essence of the measure. He hoped the house would carefully consider the effect of the measure which the noble lord proposed ; that if they agreed with him that the introduction of the Jews into this legislature would be derogatory to the assembly end destructive of its influents*, that they would carefully consider the question how far the alteration of the oath, and the terms of it might be such as to diminish the seam of obligation on the part of these men. With this view he reserved what he had to say until the measure was brought before the hones, and until they had an opportunity of considering it. Mr. PLUMPTRB was betted to think that those boo. ; members who thought last year that the bill introduced by the noble lord for the admission of Jews ought not to be passed, would also now be of opinion that the noble lord should not proceed with this measure. He was prepared, in this first stage of the bill, to offer every opposition to the noble lord, and even to divide the house on this first question, if it were the pleasure of any hon. members us go into the lobby with him. He would not conceal from himself this truth that there would have been no move ment whatever in the matter bad not the noble lord been defeated In another place last year in the bill which he in troduced and carded in this house for the admission of Jews' and, therefore, he said that if this measure were, IS be believed it to be for the admission of Jews into this hems, hews" Viol to offer his opposition to it in the way Let stags e must confess that, to his ears, the pro posal of the noble lord with regard to Me admission of Jews into tide hones was eseeedingly offensive. He meant nothing plesenal to the noble lord, but he did think that the way in which he proposed to admit Jews Into the house, and the terms he had mentioned to the berme, were exceediagly offensive to Christians. (Hear, hear.) What did the noble ford propose to do? He pe.iposed that the Jew should be excused boa making use of those words which other members ware to make use of, " Upon the true faith of a Christian," and yet the Jew was to be admitted into this house because he could repeat these words, "So help me God." It wiped to be by a trick, by a subterfuge, that the Jew was to be admitted into this house—that the Jew was to be accommodated at the expense of him whom Christians venerated. When a Jew used the weeds, " flo help me God," he had se respect to him whom Christiana adored and revered as their Ood and Saviour. lie said that the proposal was an exceedingly offensive one, from which he shrank, and which would n receive the sanction of tiaeat. This was confessedly a religious parliament. n il Oble lord said there would be some risk and danger U you mimed your Roman catholic subjects, became there might be seven or eight tailbone of them, admission to this house. The noble lord said there might be some danger if you refused to dissenting subjects admisskin ; but he said, " you might safely admit Jews." He (Mr. Plnmptre), could not help loo king at the word " safely, " not merely with reference to the safety of the state, but he said that if they took any step by which they might forfeit the favour of him who was the Prince cf the hinds of the earth, "by whom kings reign and princes decree justice ;" if they took a step to provoke his displea sure, they were taking a step which they could take with anything but safety to the best interests of the country. If any other member was disposed to view the matter as he viewed it, and divide the house on the first stage of the bill, he should be opposed to conceding to the neble lord etas the int step in the matter. Mr. C. LAW said that it was not his intention to trouble the house with a detailed oppositioa on the proposition of the noble lord ,• he rather rose to state that every opinion which he had had the honour to express on this subject last session he retained at the present moment. If them wx s a i n t / change or alteration in his sentiments, it was in the s which they had acquired by the interval; and when he found the noble lord introduce this measure as pitt of a measurefor the alteration of oaths generally, TIMMY In substance and is feet it was only the pretence for bringing keererd the measure at all' when he [sued that those who apposed the admiodon of Jewa to seats in the legislature ; were to be breaded by the terms " hateful and odious per secutor'," a diseovory made by the noble lord, as the colleague of Baron Rothschild, in 1848, and an seamed to the house sow for the Inv time, and mime be hand the noble lord in the NSW breath say that he wesig every religions disability, establish religious freedom to the and conclude with limiting the as sere to ths elides of the Jowl, he did not think the ex pression " hated end odious pet...cuticle fell with grace from the lips o( the noble lard. Be roes io sake his protest . . .. • . THE • EXPRESS, TUESDAY G. 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Imam Ito 2d e . ram aggewit tb lieugl boss . . l amealesimitietrttet etstarl . ...M. 3...... 7 ....4„.. 0 f1rg of elate, ha& or ought to haj to s e ry J tic 4i tun Ohd la of Uri to county rate :lime filial la lomat Ireland. NoZ i r r hel i r tb.r brea bad or sidga l la Ple6l :l= th F7llllseac ' l tesha. lje N i rer:it :I'M. Pe that will be mad. 4 sad would altimatay re far loud ia hie amphdat mime the government for their eon- these weds do give the to doubts which Us carried SO In MaieetY sad h ow l: l a gbag. If ties li ability of stoutly roportiog e• leak muerte, no ens were emeiese t o the minds of two or throe members of the Home of rdt, of Wag 'Mob he boa. samba should tam ow a fair tell glen to a ileum of coneilietion end good that on amount solely of the words antaigted in thelatt er seats se the gm ) thought they would be ea. goverameat. £ tuner CI. century syo b e lo b l atttog a portion of the oath of supremacy they had refused tab* Marna". Tb lalitY. Fadden to the been for rmeeg the mils sf Ireland their mats is parliameat. For_ my own part I cave ought to have &TION. jivieg thueeleethelie es well es protestant, equal that the latesPeetatim put by Lord Mammy on the loath, it may be that Under limentery of Stets for them la every roped is so *ate respecting white he hes written a letter, it ononeoup, but for a mat in ii g o o t io h o g ki n no o n fa:Mal= .—... •et lad leutgamen. (Ham from Mr. M the muse tine I mutt say that I cannot wonder much at upon us of ral ....—u— ma— O`Commil.l HO Wm mid (et reported in Hansard), that hie lisf•rjavtation• all I can imagine to be the Pas - of Kist Wahl . midad wa y state of this . He should lake en be tie rearm 'tithe - proomdiag uasdission that would Oke ff,t fe ren i preme kis sentiments fully on this 11001114011 ; to ask hat e as th was s salleet mu of the groom, moment, lis of the 'obis within Sam few minutes inforra l t the bow ftl ig the nature of the measure he was about to that he would not pews the motion for the house go4 P r a k te committee within half an hour of his declared*. B e thought it was due to the minority, if you pined, ha s e * . aciontious minority on this important subject, to consult their feeling and judgment, to give them the opportunity of cos night's refiee ion whether they w ere to make thie A s a & mental change in the constitution of the country by the e d„ mission of Jews into the houses of parliament. Lis 044 the noble lord (although he would give a most strennoa l oppoidtka, without vexation, to the progress of the seeasurs)—he asked him for time for reflection oa that measure, the form and femme of which he believed In a not six hours old, and that the noble lord, when he rose hone his bed this morning, had not determined its shape. R e we , much deceived if this was the measure originally contra. plated by the noble lord. If it was, let the noble lord speak plain'y—let him tell us what he meant by the removal of all disabilities when he ended with confio log it to the ease of the Jews. He insp'ored the noble lord, who, in a moment of indiscretion, had applied the term " odious and hateful persecution" to those who objected to the exercise of that power on the part of the Jews which would procure their admission into the houses of the legislature, to give time and opportunity to these who wieW to state their reason for their apprebersioa and distrust of the whole memos The noble herd, ad capiesadoce put his Roger on a little bit of history, and said that was his reason for going into the committee. He (Mr. Law) was sure they would have heard Nothing of the historical part of the oath had it not been for the interest of that body whose interests were so ab lag considerately maintained by tho noble lord. He ag ain se . treated the noble lord to allow a night's reflection members before they agreed that he had made out abase _ _ _____ _ _ M. J. O'CONNELL said that of course he intendtd vote for this motion, but be must express his regret that the noble lord, when considering these oaths, did not do so upon a larger.scale ' and reduce all the oaths to a si n * form. He heel noted two or three points in the oath takes by protestant. about which there was a misundersheedie e . particularly with regard to the assertion that the Poise IQ no spiritual authority In these countries. H. would not el 4 one word to the very lucid and forcible description which the noble lord had given of the misinterpretation which was Wig to be put, sad had been put, upon the effect these weeds hei had in preventing some noble lords from taking their sue in the ether house ; bat there were words in the fade* oath which had been made the subject of annoyance sad ic. salt to catholic.. In this house catholic members bat. palled the least approach to such charges in the mama that they ought to be repelled bi every henget man sad they would so repel them again. Tney would not deign to s e e. snit to a repetition of anything like the charges that were st• tempted to be made against the catholic for the port they would act as to the temporalities of the established chunk He trusted that the noble lord and the right hon. Ft, ntitroas who likewise proposed the oath, world be in their py re when them bickering• were likely to oocur, and wouEgg e what interpretation they put on the words of the nu e oath, and if their interpretation savoured of the chap et violating the oath, which hod been attempted to %Mit against the catholic., he would acquiesce in their dee* and would resign his seat as a member of this btu.. Mr. BANKES had expected that the right bon. gods. man, the member for the University of Oxford, would has risen to give his opinion of the measure now proposed b e had the more expected it, because his hon. colleigue, ; thp hon. baronet (Sir R. H. Inglis) was at this =ram se e bed of sickness, and was unable to attend If they, speaking with the authority which led sob them, had agreed in any respect in the proposition now in mined by the noble lord, he should have been ready, on the, the first occasion of the introduction of the measure, re hero bowed to their authority ; end, although it might have tee contrary to hie own opinions, on any point involving a qv* Sion of principle, to admit even the first introductise cis measure to the house, if he had had the high mullein, ef the members of the two Universities that he should make tie acquiescence, he would not have deserted them ; but helm bound to say to the hoc member for Kent, who was dere listened to with that respect which belonged to his Wen and character, that if he should think fit on the proem* Galion to divide the house, although he should be the sell one, he would divide with him on the question of the pried pie they had to consider. It was true that the noblelondie not put forward prominently the question of principle a ke did lest year; he involved it with other political mattes els very inferior degree of importance, and the noble lord Id knew that if he should have thought the matter of impotence he would have found an acquiescence in the house income& ing with him to strike out of the declaration or annals tip. Hansen anything that might appear, from the lapse of tit, to be worthy of the public attention. The noble lord ms perfectly well aware that he was putting the house in ono degree of embarrassment. He (Mr. Bank's) would ast accuse him of acting unworthily, but it wee hardly 'worthy of the high character which he bore from the skeane* Aid he held, to endeavour to overwhelm another great end in• portant question, involving a great principle, as he Wan! had admitted, with ether questions which involved no pris eiple at all, but were merely questions of convenience eel arrangement. He die not dith r with the noble Meths ' regard to his historical disquisitions; it was perfectly tree that no pretender now existed ; that there wan so vacant throne nor any chance of • vacancy; ad he had no disposition to alter the daderatin from Jame the Third to James the First. Be the noble lord did not act fairly by the home in teckke together circumstances of such • different amount of imps. tamps, asking them to go into committee upon matters of a secondary nature, and at the same time placing before thee questions of the most serious and vital character. He call not approve of the oath which the noble lord proposed is the security of the kingdom. lint oath appeared is Liked sufficient security on many points, hut fell short in may safety for the established church. Olen, hear.) . Then err security for the throne, which et quired no security unit* its possessor enjoyed in the affections of the people ; there was security for the dispositions of property; but there en no security . for the established church, not eve. so luck as was required from Roman catholic members. He bad not heard from the noble lord, when reading the oath, any rem tion of a pledge not to weaken or disturb the protein& religion or government of the United Kingdom. Lord J. RUSSELL.—It is net in the oath at meat. Mr. BANKES.—Does the noble lord not propos. to Moen words to that effect ? Lord J. RUSSELL—They are not in the present nth Mr. BANKES.—Yes, but when the present oath IV framed there were none but protestant' in the house. (dui hear.) When persons of other persuasions were adman than the protecting clause was introduced. (Hest, hut) They were now going to re-model this oath to admit ea Jews—men professedly disavowing our doctrines, sod—but it was a paudul subject to dwell upon, and showed the convenience of admitting persons of different religiose Mi. nions into one assembly like that house, red thus penning the free expression of opinion. (Hear, hear.) Bet Ids? admitted such men they should at the sane time take mu security for the establis hed church, and therefore he speed with the right bona:member for the University of Cambridge, that the noble lord bad no right to ask them to consent to so oath which should expose the church to the unarm des jor• Under these circumstances if the hon. member fee LW thought fit to divide, he (Mr. Henke') should offtsieli p out with him, although he had not expected a division tbe night. Government had taken them by surprise and no/ must yield, but on another occasion they would be bests prepared. (Hear, hear. Mr. GLADSTONE.—Sir, after the appeal wlidl has just been made to me by the honourable saute for Doreetshire, I feel that I cannot shrink fen maintaining my opinions on this subject, and is so far e the main principle. laid down by the noble lord see ein. corned, I em bound to say, as the right hon. member fie tie University of Cambridge has said, that my opinions ben os• dergone no change, except indeed that they are cosfirmed redaction since the last discussion on tbli subject, and I Le still convinced that the civil and political claims of die In to share in civil and Political duties ought not to babe:ref because his religion differs hem our own. (Cheep') Aai with reference to what has fallen from the hon. member ix Kent, I must may that in my view we are not, in retied fo the admission of Jews into the legislature, abandol*g duty to the Almighty, but rather acting . in strict Una* of that duty by giviu e ff ect to the princ iples of Waal iv ties. (Cheers.) But although 1 think thus ce ltd main purpose which the noble lord has in view, it to the hones whether there axe est cleat grounds for going into committee indepseiled. that main purpose. The second purpose of the ad* 10 respecting the alteration of the oath, al Is importance to the constitutional question !Vim WO the Jews, is still not undeserving our attend" hut a lb to=of sufficient Interest to induce even these CYO to the Jewish claims to unseat to our Of le_ committee. We mast all feed that when oaths 131 1011 ar seription are taken in public by large names of under associations not favourable to religious feeling. *P i is a tendency in them to degenerate into mere formaidlo (hear, hear)—and that tendency becomes aggravatedis l A portion as they are imposed beyond the nesemidm'af case. (Hear.) I should say, then, that if in oar mob thenn any passages of irrelevant matter—if there bowels 'Mal' the lapse of time and change of eircurnelansies have come* pauses no actual meaning—we are, in proposing a email* to investigate the nature of that oath, taking • steg °LW no means insignificant importance. On the highestuli rig we are reminded that our words should be few , those solemn sots which have reference to the Deal, o i2, cannot but say, in looking at this oath, that it WO": only be made more intelligible than it is, but also MGM nearer to the standard of propriety, according to a , all oaths should be framed. Therefore I Tenure to "' pesos a hope that as the purport of the noble lord's Pt peed, quite apart from the main question, is me iniedroW' be diaracter, it will meet with general consent, 110 gentlemen will remember that they ar e in no fur esnemitted by sending the bill to committee. spot to the general plan of the noble lord I shall sot els . : into any detailed observations, but merely szlow.t. v gabbed= that it differs from a scheme which or three weeks since was propounded, appose* tb authority, in the pub li c. journals. I frankly owe that,76 noble lord's intentio n to retain the words "on the true WS of a Christian," for ell members except those of th;7 l persuasion,..ka afforded me much satisfaction. C ane the solemnity of the duties we an called upon to p'ric'e" think we should approach them under the most , sanction ; and, although I do not attempt to dopy 0? T ; es ;; of the oath taken by the Jew, yet I think the noble done wisely in not reducing the standard which hens g"; been fixed as applicable to Christians. I would m ake suggestion to the noble lord, and I think it is a peceurl47, sequence of the alterations he proposes. He WM.= t e elude those wards in the oath of supremacy W hich "'" •