The Express. — London, England, 1849-12-17 00:00:00

ght erprtoo. OUTGOING MAILS. The moil feel:Malta:, Mills. Gnaw. tte lonian Islands, • pt, Ogles, India, sad Chime, n4isouthampton, will bee nods op on the 'barrio' of Dee. it Mil alas via Ilareeillee, to the Mediterranean, Utlo l . Italh 7 10 K - Koltd. an., will be made up es the amiss al Dee. 24 The sett mils for Lblroa, Blain, and Gibraltar will be subs up ea Des. 27. The malls he British North America and the 'United betas will be made up as the evening of D.c 28. The Welt India Mans, iaeladies Bermuda, Haranaah, Naomi, Honduras, New Oilier, and Mimic°. and excluding these tee Madeira, Bt. isaa-de-Nisaragus, New Granada, rid Pent, will be leafiest, this awning. Jas. 2. ill The mails for Madnia, the Beadle. and Buenos APV9,II be made up ea the awning of Jan. 4. 1110'n WATTS AT LONDON BRIDGE Tun D••—WANE. VA Um Aftenros. in Oa T.-manm—nonni. VA in Annuns. II IA Us. LONDON, MONDAY, DECEMBER 17. PsorLa have for some time sought to create alarm by rumours of war, for which there was indeed some warrant in the tricks and blisteriogs, though by no means in the intentions, of absolutist governments. Even our own correspondents in remote capitals are naturally carried away by the current opinions of the locality and society in which they reside and thus we are told from Constantinople that Russi a is preparing for war, and only waiting a fine and a fit day to begin. And from Vienna we learn that the fire eatin Austrians are about to do nothirg less tban march to capture Berlin, and put to rout the parlia ment of Erfurt. The public, however, has come to entertain a very just idea of the value of such braggadocio. The fact is, that the refusal of the Porte to comply with the demands of Russia, and the proxpt coming of both Fr nch and English fleets to the Dardaneles, in order to support Turkey, in case its determination bad drawn down vengeance or retaliation from St. Petersburg—these events have so humiliated the Cur, and brought his Imperial Mightiness so many pegs down in the public estimation of the Orientals, that the Rubella court and agents are working and striving by all possible chicanery and small mumm er's to recover a little of the prestige they have lest, to show ill temper when they have wanted courage, and to carry on a brisk guerilla camteign of diplo macy, in default of more eerie= efforts. Austria, too, has unfortunately caught this bluster ing habit of its nothern backer and ally, and it has bad the imbecility to play at Berlin the same absurd part, that Rases has done at Constantinople. We know how the Cz.ta sent Prince ..__lteozivih to bay the SULTAN by instant threat of war, mikes Brat and liii , surti were delivered up. BEM and KOSSUTH were nut delivered up, and RADMIL went away with his tail between his lege to be disavowed by his master. 't here was, however, some possibility of success in the blaster of Iteriztvth. But what is to be thought of Austria's trying the some dodge at Berlin ? We have heard of Austria's celebrated note of menace, and we hare subsequently read the said note, and found It as tedious as it was wiry. But it is not so well known, that M. PROKESCII, the Audi= envoy in Berlin, actually went to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, and threatened Lim with scar, nothing if I'rossia p. rsiated in calling to gether the German parliament. Now, Master Pau xesce is one of the most accomplished bullies that Austria possesses. He is the very lisTssu of diplo- macy, aid his modes of proceeding are perfectly well known to all who resided er. Athens during his stay there. FROKESCII told the Prussian minister, plainly and loudly, that the calling the Erfurt parliament was a eases bell, and if not aban doned, Prussia might take the consequences . In fact, the behaviour of YROKISCH at Berlin was completely a copy of RADZIVIL'S at. the Porte. The Prussian minister replied even more coolly than the Turkish, and observed that it was rather late for Austria to make a cases bell of what had been long since announced to her, nay, what bad sprung out of a common act of the German powers, to which Austria was a party. Prussia, however, knew what to do if attacked, but in the meantime would most certaisly and determi nutty pirsovere and proceed with assembling the German parliament at Erfurt. It was out of this interview and conversation, which was made no secret, for M. De SCOLEINITT recounted it to the court circle at Berlin, that metre the rumours of impending war between Austria and Prussia, which found their way into our columns, and those of our contemporaries, as well as into the different exchanges of Europe. The fate of Itanztvit, however, swelled Paoxeself, for no sooner was reference made to Vienne than Prince SettWARZENBERCI completely backed out of the whole business, and disavowed poor PROX6SCH, who was set down as a mad blusterer, and, like Raortrrh, sacrificed. We heard this very characteristic anecdote at the time, but thought it better kept from publication, thinking that Austria would be wiser than, with ter bankrupt treasury and disaffected population, to pro- voke Prussia and the smaller German powers. Austria, however, can no more take a rebuff than Ituisia. Both are fidgetty under humiliation. And u Russia keeps pelting the Porte with protocols, Austria has found a way of annoying Prussia. This is to march into Saxony, and occupy Dresden, under the pretext that the King is threatened by an ineurrectiou. Now thete can be no doubt that the King of SAXONY is most cordially detested and despised by his subjects, and that if he and his dynasty refuse to join the movement fur German unity end liberty, he will be compelled, like the Pow to reign by the presence acid support of toreign 'bayonet& Wrtat effect the calling on the troops of HAINAU to act as his guards will have on the Saxon population, is pretty clear. It will destroy the last chance which the Saxon dynasty had of continuing to reign. Thetis must ensue, moreover, not an insurrection in the streets, but a civil war in the country, and that a geaeral war between Austria and Prussia may sprang out of it is not improbable. The consequences in fieuth Germany of even the approach to such a contest are too manifest to need being pointed out. Austria may guard herself from inch a contingency by the final adjournment of her charter and consti tution, by a maintenance of martial law throughout the empire, and a total suppression of the liberty of the pre= But such measures will neither fill her coffers with money nor back her efforts with the sincere and zealous adhesion of any one province. The Bohemians and the Cream, we know, are now as disaffected as the Viennese, the Magyars, or the Lombards. In such a state of things, for Austria to menace war, much less try it, must make the heart of every liberal in Europe, Hungarian aid Italian, leap with joy. And, deeply as we detest war, yet, considering the immense results that must ensue, we are almost tempted to indulge in the wish that Austrian councils may be sufficiently demented to provoke the catastrophe. Mn. MUM cannot but figure in the Exhibition of the Industry of all Nations; not, we hope, as a ma nager or a judge, for be would scout Li. ge and de nounce Berlin for daring to compete with Birming ham, bat as constituting in himself a wondrous specimen of how all opinions, however diverse, on indugrial and economic matters, can he amalgamated, er at least be kept together, in the one small head. The department of manufacture" in which the ; Prussians have decidedly beaten us has been in the orramental combination and enamelling of iron and she' with the precious metals. The swarthiest iron and the brightest silver are there made to contrast prettily in the same bracelet—gold and steel, ebony and platens, act each other off to ad vantage. Bat nothing certainly in the teistlated or tho mosaic ever came up to Mr. NluNnz's speech, re ported in oar columns of Saturday. Mr. NIUNTZ, in that speech, contrived to ho a'. once a radical free-trader and an exaggerated preteeior.ist. He had always, he said, end would always oppose protection, but he held that the whole country could not do without protection. His objection to proteo tion was that it was isolated, but when all were pro tecord hr should like it vastly. When the some 200,000 landed proprietors of England were protected by a tax levied on some two millions of quarters of foreign wheat, in order that seven shillings a quarter, on eighteen millions, might be psid by the consumer In tEe ndlord; when, in return fir this, the landlord should buy his tea-tray and his coal-scuttle at Bir mingham and to where-eke; when the cotton mills of Manchester, and the woollen factories of Leeds 1 , - :till‘\ . , ... 1 1 , vo t that op to that time the ministry could count upon 300 members against 76 of the democratic party. should give up the foolish idea of compet ing with foreigners, but combine and charge what they liked in the circumscribed and protected home market—when, in fact, all the rich interests and producers at home lazily determined to give up making gains or amassing capital from the foreigner, and formed themselves into a large joint stock com pany for raising the price on the consumer at home-- that was the bailee in which Mr. MUNTZ declared it would be his delight to join. Mr. Morin admitted the great grievance and dis tress ot the day to be that both taxes and rent were five times as high as they were three-quarters of a century ago. Bat rests could not be reduced, he said, because, if so, landlords could not live. Neither could taxes be reduced; for, if so, government could not live. But, to enable us to pay the taxer, Mr. MUNTZ would abolish foreign trade, and with it, of course, the customs, and pack out of the country all the capital that could not be employe din, and for, home production. If it would require a 80 per cent. income tax now to meet our debts and burdens, in lieu of other sources ot re venue, under the fiecal ripinte of Mr. MUNTZ it would require 100 per cent. His universal protection would be nothing other than universal bankruptcy. Mr. MUNTZ accuses some ideal personage, whom he styles we, to be very bard-hearted and atrocious. IVe have eaten the West India planters, devoured the Irish landlords, and now we eat a farmer a day. By we Mr. MUNTZ means England. Now England fed the West India planter many a year with monopoly and high prices, and not being able to continue the sacrifice, gave them twenty millions to do something for themselves. How greedy ! England sent some eight millions sterling the other day to Ireland to teed the starving poor of the Irish landlords' creation ; and at the same time lent every Irish landlord as.many thousand* se he chose to employ in draining or agricultural improve ment. After this England bade the Irish landlord feed what was Ift of his poor. This Mr. Muhl - a de scribes as Joule BULL eating his brother Irishman. Then comes the farmer's case. For many a long year we have given the English farmer his own price. Whilst clothing and comforts and all commodities which the farmer exchanged his produce for, had gradually become so cheap that luxu:ies became ne cessaries, the farmer kept raising the price of his pro- dace until necessaries became luxuries, at least to the poor. Much further this could not go on, and at length it was stopped, and the relative value ot the two great kinds of prcduce put on a fairer footing. With all our sacrifices to the farmers, we were Old they were never prosperous. Without these continued sacrifices,l according to Mr. MUNTZ, the farmer cannot live. Does Mr. 111murz pretend to say that the land or England is less productive than of old, less able to maintain and employ as many labouring men, and less able to afford a surplus in the shape of rent P We don't believe it. But if it were so, we should not know what is to become of so imprudent and unskilful a race. This, however, we will say, that it would be cheaper and better to pension all the landlords and farmers out of the consolidated fund, than tax every morsel that goes into an English mouth. Hamm Dsa. 10.—Tbrespwr Gate... 6011-16 ateenig. Pears, 13. Pins 111 Mir. 0 00 P 001 . 11 3. o( readisiuld, 63. Psalms's cm Lasko, MAW ITALY. ROMAN STATES.—Our correspondent at Rome sends important news from that capital under date the 7th inst. M. de Corcelles had returned to Rome from Pottle, and positively announces that M. Beraguay Tier's mission has been unsuccessful. As M. de Cor cells is one of those who advise the Pope to stay at Naples, there is little doubt but that his statement on that point is correct. The Pope, he mays, will not return to Rome. The cause assigned, he adds, by the camarills, is the fear of a coup tretai in Paris. It is generally supposed that M. &wormy d'Hilliers will send in his resignation. There is as yet nothing decided as to the paper currency. THE EXPRESS, MONDAY EVENING, DECEMBER 17, 1849. MADEIRA. By lI.M. steam-sloop Hecate, Commander Shad well, which left Madeira on the 27th ult., and arrived at Porte mouth on Saturda . r. we learn that Sir B. L. Bawer w In good health, but did not land distil% the permit the Hecate remained at Modiste. Lady Bulwer had suffered severely during the whole voyage from amusicknme. Tbe American frigate Portsmouth was at the Wand, and about to sail or the coast of Africa. The MINA= vice consul got up a monster pic-nic in own pliment to the officers of the Portsmouth, and to which were Invited Sir Edward and the whole of the °filters of the Hecate. Sir Edward nee unable to attend, but the officers of the sloop did, and a most verbal reception they met with from the consul, and American officers, and inhabitants, anembhd on the occasion. The pic-nic was prolonged for unusual period, and all parties s e parated with regret. The orillient whet was in the roads, and the Serpent, 16, Commander Baker, arrived there on the 25th ult., sailing the followiug day for the Cape. SWITZERLAND. The Republican Newfchatelais, says one Paris cor respondent, contains the following paragraph of a statement made with regard to the gift by the King of Prussia of medals to the old Sunderbundians of Neufchatel: " The King of Prussia has, it is said, sent to etch of the old councillors of state of his ex-principality a gold medal, bearing his effigy and a significant legend. One of these gentlemen only has been ex cluded from the measure." GERMANY. We have received letters and papers from Vienna of the 10:h and lath fast, and from Berlin of the 13:h inrt. The following are our correspondents' letters : _ _ VIENNA, Dec. 10. The Sardinian envoy has left Vienna to return to Turin. He was much importnced about the 4th in stalment of the Sardinian war money, which ought to have been paid on the 23th of Nov. The Italian pleaded the stiffneckedness of the Piedmontese chamber as an excuse for the delay, but was informed that no such excuse would be received by the Austrian go vernment ; and that the instalments must be paid up reirularly during the interval before the ni IA Sardinian parliament assembles. The instalments ought to be paid every 22 day.. And as the whiie indemnity amounts to 68 millions of lire, and meat be diseha•ged within a year, each payment amounts to between leer and five millions of lire. It is thought here that it is by no means improbable the war will be renewed. The government bits, I hear, revoked its intention to raise the state of siege upon the Ist of Janua-y. The little republic of San Marino is occupied by Austrian troope. Symptoms of the humour with which the Berrien' receive their new Woiwodina are already manifested in Byrmia. Letters of the 25. h re revert that coun try in a state of complete anarchy. The peasants ruin the wood., cutting timber without restraint : they turn their cattle in on the lords pasture., and respect neither rights nor property. The Barrel com missieeer and magistrates exercise no control what ever over the lawless multitude, and shrink intimi dated from the assertion of their authority. The still existing Servian commission heir sent instructions to the county authorities to receive no commands bat theirs, not even those which are issued from Vienna. In Csslma the imperial dragoons were refused teams far draught ; and w hen these were seized by force, the inhabitants fired on the soldiers, and a sanguieary conflict ensued. At Kuma quarters were refused to a squadron of cavalry, who thereupon stormed the houses on which they were billeted. VIENNA, DEC. 11. The two commissioners of the Interim, Grime Schonhale and Baron Kiibeck, took their deiarture yesterday for Frankfort, accompanied by a staff of functionaries, among whom Herr Fluck, a high official in the department of justice, and Hofrath Nell, of the finarca ministry, are the most distinguished. Tee Frendenblate havicg this morning imputed to M. Schweitzer the ankle which occasioned the E up• premien of the Preen, that ex-minister has written a letter to the Wanderer, characterising the charge as a malicious lie. According to the Lloyd's correspondence from Penh Paul Nysry has been set at liberty. The Freer, an evening paper of Prague, was ►up pressed on the ith. Oa the day bet - re five students were arreAed. BERLIN, DEC. 13. During the last few days there have been various rumours afloat here of a probable change in the mi nistry : one report is that Count Arnim is to urder take the office of prerdent of tte ministry ; another that fanteuffel has been appointed one of the five Erfurt commissioners, and that he is to be succeeded in his office by Count Arnim. The inquiries I hate made lead me to believe that the reports in question are, for the present, perfectly groundless; bat that "coming events cast their shadJus before" may on this occasion prove true also. The National publishes a telegraphic deapateh an. pouncing the publication in Berlin of the law fur the elee tion of &puttee to the German Parliament at Erfurt. The dny before yesterday a climocratic meetirg was dissolved, simply because the act of accusation against Johann Jacoby was read to the meeting. The Prince of Prussia has left for the Rhine. Count Miiltke has arrived here from Vienne, end has already had several conferences with Herr von Usedom. THE PENINSULAR MAIL. The Oriental Company's steam-packet Montrose, Captain J. Bowen, ari ;rod at Son hampton yesterday, and landed her mails under the charge of Lieut. James Inglis, R.N., Admiralty Agent. Her dates are, Gi braltar, 6 p.m., Dec. 6 ; Cadiz, 11 a.m., Dee. 7 • Lis bon, 6 a.m., D e c . cc.lo ; Oporto, 8 m., Dec. 11; Vigo, 10 a.m., Dec. 12. At Gibraltar, Janus. At 7 p.m., on the 6th, when leaving Gibraltar Bay, the Montrose (Oriental Compa ny's packet) exchanged signals with Arrogant, Hogue, and Encounter, having sailed from Lisbon on the 4th. From G.braltar we learn that two or three fatal cases of cholera had occurred in the garrison. The Sultan arrived at Gibraltar on the sth, and soiled same day for Malta arid Constantinople. 1 The only matter of importance from Lisbon is a modification of the absurd quarantine impoaitions on all vessels from Great Britain. The following is a dopy of the late ordinance issued by the government: " Diario do Goverao, Dec. 7,lBl9.—Edital Hurd of Heal'h, Dec. 6, 1849.—The Board of Health having officially verified that in the porn of London land Liverpool the cholera morbus continues, they are to be looked on as infected ports, and that the other port. in Great B itain are to be regarded as suspected ports ; therefore the regulations respecting them are to b- modified as per edital 26th Nov. last.—Diario do G „rano, Dec. 5,1549." By this new edital the quarantine from England , is strain prolonged ; and it is impossible to say when I it will cease, as it is well known that the government will not admit any vessel to free pratique until the expiration of thirty dsya from the time of the cholera having ceased in England, or their having the plague themselves. Our paveugers from England were only detained three days at the lazaretto, and we were offi cially informed that the next packet would be ad mitted to pratique. The !Fere detention will be eight days for vessels with passengers and goods, vessels in ballast three days. The committee appointed to investigate the affairs of the Sete Cane, have discovered further frauds, which swells the amount against Pe4sanino to about I 80001. The revenue of that branch for November was more, by between 4001. and 500/., than in the corre sponding month of last year, thus showing that frauds must have been extensively practised. The proposola for a loin made by the Baron de Lagos have been rejected: yet he is so anxiously in clined to force one upon the government, that Le has offered ore in another *hope, modifying his condi tions, which is likely to meet with the same result. Exchange on London, 54. Discount of Lisbon bank none, 17. All government paper advancing in value. STATE. OP THE ELBE.—The Victoria, Qtr. Kruger, whi F, ',mud at lhti un 60. y, front U Ilekttll,lt, re ports that on thr previous morning (Tosiday) the ice in the Elbe was live inehes thick, and galas meth mild not he got through.—Huif Pack 4. FRANCE. PARIS, SATURDAY, HALF PAST 5, P .M. The only novel argument used against the system of the excise on drinks was used by M. Foucher yes terday. This gen•leman, it must be premised, sees no possibility of doing without the tax, which he con siders necessary, and which in his opinion may be materially lightened in burden by changes in the system under which it is at present levied. The great obstacles to consumption, and obstacles which M. Foucher has sigralised before now are the (petrol, or entrance dues in towns, and the restrictive system of French tariffs. These octrois—these tariffs it is not the intention of M. Foucher to abolish, but he would destroy their excess, in order that consump tion might increase, and in order that they may be come really a Baal instrument, and not a barrier to consumption. With regard to customs, M. Foucher said that he would speak but one word on a subject which he had hitherto avoided, be cause ho thought that them were opportunities which it was beet to wait for, reforms for which the time had not come, and sacrifices that must be made to public tranquillity. The speech of M. Gravy may be ?armed in a few words. He said that the tax is odious, hated, and unpopular, and the people are determined not to bear it lorger. And for the very reason that the people abhor it, the assembly must abolish it, because the people is sovereign. "Then," cried a member, in reply to this ligament, " since the landed p.ople hate the land-tax, it ought to be abolished. , The last argument of M. Gravy was, that the tax cons aided a violation of the constitution, because it is contrary to the essential principle which that charter has pro claimed, namely, the proportionality of taxation. A speech from M. Charles l)upia was followed by the adiourtment of the debate. To-day the debate wiis resumed by M. Mauguin. 811CDAT, 6.30 PAC. M. Maoguin, in his speech yesterday, opposed the motion of government on the excise, and declared himself openly- for its abolition. The wine pro prietors, he contended, were not so rich as they were said to be,—the retailers not so poor. In matters of property there were two opposite doctrines. Accard ing to the first, a proprietor is master of his property; but according to the second, a proprietor is only the possessor and depositor of parcels of a great whole which belongs to the state. The latter doctrine is that of the budget committee. The word "property " bad a vast and convenient signification, for, in the mouth of M. de Montalembert, or of M. Dalin, it meant anything but vines. Wine property in France was generally very much divided, and as it generally belongs to the small peasant, it did not count as such. Still it was imposed with such heavy duties in most of the wine-growicg countries that the growers hedl been obliged to root out their sites. So mach for the effect of the tax on the wine-grower. Now, if the retailer is considered, it would be toned that he was of the class that complained most and yet had least reason to do so ; for was kr.own from positive returns that their gains were enormous. Let the duties be abolished; let the wine trade lie under the rules of every other trade, and wine would be better and cheaper. The rigie was the cause of the misfortunes of the wine trade, and that was why he' asked for the abolition of the tax. M. Ilauguiu then stigmatised the oetroi system as bad, and said that in Beleium it was about to be abolished. Tees with respect to the question as to where the 100 millions were to be found to replace the lose on the excite, he insisted that there would be no difficulty. Boer and alcohol alone, if directly taxed, would always give 33 millions, and 32 millions might be had d.r.ctly from wise; three or fear millions might be had by taxing wine licenses; it had be en said on the previous day by M. Faucher that wine shops were immoral; he showed that government supported those very wine shops by re fusing to tax the licenca. Thus, say 60 millions beir g taken on drinks, 40 millions more are wanted, which might be obtained wilt ease by taxing the May of the public funds. This tax would produce 40 or 50 millions, but government would not tax play at the Bourse. His Mau4uin'-) plan to that end had been rejected in four successive budget committees, which were very careful in not u ekening up that minister. Play at the Bourse was immoral, ' and by taxing it the immorality would he recognised, therefore it cannot be done. Such, said M. Nlausuin, were the arguments of his opponents ; but was it rot in the interest ot the country to stop them eltogethe r If government could not do that, why not tax them ? If that were not ecougt, why not tax paper and glass? Here an important admission was made by several members of the committee. It is the inten tion of the budget committee to tax both paper Laid glass. M. Hyppolite Fortoul followed M. Mamruin, bat was not much listered to by the house. The debate woe then adjourned till Monday, when M. Jules Fevre will speak against the project, and probably *lose the general discussion. The Monitehr this morning contains a decree by which the last six battalions ot the Mobile Claard are to be disbanded on the 31st inst. The Estafette .retends that in tho council of , ministers yesterday the President of the Republic expressed his determination to Live the elreessi.44 of the Paris and Avignon Railway to thz Tarbe des 841. - ns Cseni early, nt twithstsndi g the . .ir t he committee of the Assea.bly annullitg the government _ _ _ P r . hare just heard from Turin, under dote Dec. 12, CAPE OF GOOD HOPE. We have received journals from this colony to Oct. 27, one week later than our previous advices. They however coatain nothing of importance. Vegans ix Eitstox's Bay. H. M. 8. Seriogapatam, H.M. sums: Geyser, 11.18 8. Caster. CONSTANTINOPLE, Nov. 27. Diplomatic relations still continue suspended be swecn Turkey and Russia. The Porte refused to con sent to the expulsion of the Polish refugees esta blished in this country previous to the late movement in Hungary, but the Turkish ministers recognise the right given to the Czar by the Treaty of Kutchuki Kiardju to demand the expulsion of Dembinski and his companions. The note of the Sultan's govern ment to M. de Titoff written in this sense has been forwarded by the Russian envay to St. Petersburg. This note has been approved of by the French and English ambassadors. Sir Stratford Canning and Gen. Aupick both seem very anxious for the settlement of the present question. They have had more than one con'erence with M. de Titoff, and used what argu ments they thought best suited to smooth the way to wards a renewal of friendly relations between the Porte and the cabinet of St. Petersburg. The Rus sian minister said that, though he felt the force of the reasons put forward by Sir Stratford Canning and General Anpick, he could take no step in the matter till he bad received fresh instructions from his go vernment. The Porte, as well se the French and English ambassadors, see in M. de Titoff's conduct nothing but a wish to gain time. The Russian envoy and his government knew full well that the Porte had ro objection to expel Dembinski and his friends from the Ottoman territory, but that the expulsion of other Polish refugees established here since the re volution of 1830 would be refused. The last demand of M. de Titoff was made in such a way that it was impos sible for the Sultan's ministers to understand whether he wished for the expulsion of all Polish refugees or only those who had taken part in tho late war in Hungary. M. de Titoff pretends that he is in the same state of uncertainty, and that the vagueness which the Porte observed in his demand, was simply the consequence of the nature of the instructions which he had received from St. Petersburg. In the conferecces which the Russian envoy had with the English and French ambassadors, he said it was simply the doubtful nature of his instructions which prevented him from accepting the reply of the Porte and renewing diplomatic relations. He also spoke in the same sense to the Grand Vizier and the Minister of Foreign Affairs. The Porte and their allies are seriously annoyed by the conduct of the Czar and his envoy. The English government intend building a hos pital for Britoil seamen, consular offices, and a pri son at Constantinople. The work is entrusted to Mr. Smith, architect, attached to the department of Woods and Forests, and who is at present ecgaged in building the new embassy at Perri, the new pavilion for the sultan at Tephanna, and several very extensive -lifices for the Ottoman government. lime Court. OSBORNE, DEC. 15. The inclemency of the weather this morning pre vented the Queen and the Prince anti the younger members of the r.ial family taking their usual morning walk. Lord John Russell and Sir James Clark arrived at Dan:tens yesterday afternoon, and Led the honour of joining the royal dinner party. Colonel the Hon. and Mrs. Phipps were rho included in the royal dinner party. Lord John Ruteellleft Osborne this forenoon on his return to Richmond-park. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent (atterded by Lady Fanny Howard and Sir George Cooper) is espected at Osborne this day. OVIORNI, BUNDAT.—The Queen and Prince, her Itsyal Highness the Princess Royal, and the ladies and gentlemen of the royal household, attended Divine Service this morning at Whippinghsm Courch. The Service was performed and sermon preached by the Rev. J. Protheroe. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent, attended by Lot) , Fanny Howard and Colonel Sir George Couper, arrived at Osborne about four o'clock yesterday afternoon. The royal dinner party yesterday included Sir James Clark and Dr. Robertson. tier Royal Highness the Duchess of Rent arrived / in town on Friday from her residence, Frogmore house, Windsor. Her Royal Hig:ines visited the Duchess of Glouertuf r, at 01,ucester.house. On Saturday morning her Royal Highness, attended by Lady Fanny Howard and Sir George Couper, left Clarence-house, St. James's., for the Wits Hoe terminus of the South Western Railway, and pro ceeded to Osborne, Isle of Wight. Their Serene highnesses the Duchess and the Princess/us Anne and Amelie of Saxe Weimar arrived at Marlburouit.i.house, ou Friday, from a visit to her Royal Highness the Duchess of Rent, at Frogm•sre-house. Their Serene Highness: a went to the Priory at Stenos• re. Colonel 'Moberly had an in'tirview with the Chan cellor of the Exchequer on Saturday, at his official residence in Downing-street. A deputation on the subject of the Gold Coast, eon of Sir Robert Inglis, Rev. H. Venn, Mr. W. Hutton, and Sir Edward Buxton, had an interview with Earl Grey, on Saturday, at the Colonial-odic'. The deputation intro duced to the noble earl the itet. Mr. Gellmer, a mils:tottery from Bedagry. Lord John Russell returned to Pembroke-lodge, Richmond-park, on Saturday, from Osborne, We of Wight. The East of Carlisle left town on Saturday after noon for Panshanger, the a at of Earl Cowper. Despatches were rent off for the governors of the West India colonies on Saturday evening from the Colonial• oftlas. PORT,MOUTTI, SATURDAY.—Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent and mite arrived hero by railway this atternotn, en route to Oil:ruse, on a visit M her Majesty mad Prince Albert. lirr Royal Bighorn war received at Cla renne-yard by the usual authorities, and having embarked on board the Ftvry yacht, under the customary salutu, crowd over to Cowes. RUMOURED REEIGNATION OF LORD DENMAN.- It is reported that Lord Campbell will take his seat se Chief Justice in tie Queen's Bench on the first day of next term, sad that Lord John now holds his resignation u Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. DETENTION OF MAIL CONTRACT PACKETS ABROAD. —ln consequence of the numerous detentions of the mail contract packets abroad, the Lor !s of the Admiralty have just issued instructions te the naval officers hating cherge of rer Majesty's mails on board such packets that they a•e on no account to suffer the packets to bo detained in future b_yond the time stipulated in the contracts without a written order from the commander-in-chief or senior officer of • naval station, the governor of a colony or dependency, or a representative of her Majeoty. A verbal order to de . ain • mail contract packet from any of the abyro authorities must not in 'lnure be attended to. TIIE BOARD OF ADMIRALTY AND TIIEIR CRITIC.— An alleged misunderstanding between the Board of Ad miralty and a gallant admiral, whose patronymic is distin guished in literature, as well as in hoth service', was the liubject of cotmrsation lan night in the naval and military clubs. It was stated that the Lords of the Admiralty htd held a meeting to consider what course should be taken with reference to setae strong opinions respecting the per sonnel of the board recently published, with the signature of the Admiral, to the effect that " the Pint Lord knew nothing, and the Junior Lords neat to nothing;" and that the result was a communication to the gallant officer, that the Band wont b.. wrier the disagree able necessity of suspending him, if he should again write so freely rispecticg the acts of qualifications of his superiors. Our 2wn information induces us to believe that the statement is substantially correct.— I Veekly Chronicle. THE LATE QUEEN DOWAGER. The extensive benevolence of her late Majesty Queen Adelaide, notwithstanding I er large annual income tram the public purse, has lift little or nothing to bequeath to her relatives. AVa are informed that nearly a hal• of her it cons was dispensed in charity In one shape or the other. Possession of the Priory war Stanmore, taken by her late Majesty as a temporary residence of the Marquis of Aber corn, wili be given up •cut Mohdiy to the r pto th , ...a•ive of the marquis. The pages, royal footmen, and doutratics of the late Queen Adelaide's household have received instructions that their services will be dispensed with atter the lit of next month. We learn from a correspondent that no provision was made for her late Mejeates domestic establishment, no mourning has been allowed to the majority of the domestics, neither is there any pension to thou, who have grown grey in the royal service. It is to be hoped that the government will time forward and relieve them from what eventually stares them in the face, as many who were in the late king's service are so far advanced in life as to preclude them from engaging in the more active duties of service. The stud and carriages of her late Majesty are to be bronaht to the hammer early in the evening month, and her other personal property is, we hear, also to be disposed of. Marlborough Home and the Lodge at Bushey-park, by her Majesty's demise, revert to the crown. ROYAL AGRICULTURAL SOCIETY. From the report adopted at the half-yearly meet ing of this society, held on Saturday, as steed in that day's Express, we make the following extracts; During the pest halt ' year, 2 governors and 189 members have been elected, 3 governors and 71 members have died, and the names of 4 governors and 236 members have been removed front the list. The society now consists of the ful bwing numbers • 90 life governors, 173 annual governors, 607 life members, 4,499 annual members, 19 honorary mem bers, making a total of 6,388 members. This total amount, being 124 less than at the former g 1 meeting, does not ine'icate so much • reduction in the actual members of the society, as a removal of those names from the list, which were put down for temporary and local purposes only, at the early country meetings of the society ; the new members now joining he society consisting of those steady friends to ' agricultural improvement, who, on higher grounds, take a permaneut interest in the advancement of its objects, and in its continued prosperity. The council have directed a new list of the governors and members of the society to be printed and published as an appendix to the ensuing part of the journal. The council reported at the general meeting in May, last year, that they bad altered the bye law regulating the week day of their ordinary meetings front Wednesday to Linda) ; they have, however, alter experience of that change, decided to revert, alter the end of the current year, to the original day for their meetings, namely, to the Wednesday, as mare generally convenient to all parties. FINANCES.—The council hays had under their most serious consideration the question they have been so often under the painful nec.ssity of bringing under the notice of the members—namely, that of the arrears of subscription remaining unpaid to the society. The commit have taken every ordinary meats in their power to awaken the members, front whom these arrears are du., to a sense of their engagements to the society, by repeated circular letters, by an attempted as stem of local collection, by personal communications kindly nude to the patties by zealous members of the council, by suspension of their names in the public council room, and in some cases by applications made to them by the saliciton of the society. These means having proved successful only to a certain ex tent, the council have requested a scrutiny to be made into the circumstances of the inaivithals who thus n• elect to comply with the just claims of the society, and they find that no plea in the great majority of the cases can be set up on the ground of inability to discharge their obligations—a plea to which the council have always most considerately at tended in the case of those members who from adverse cir cumstarmes have unfortunately been un-ble to meet even the small demands of the society. The coun cil have never for an instant eoubted, under all this for bearance, the just and legal claim the charter of the society gave them to recover these arrears in a court of law; but thinking that many of the defaulters might regard the pay ments due from them as simply optional, like theme of an unchartered club or association, !odd together by motives merely of personal convenience., and with advantages enjoyed only while the voluntary subscription is yearly paid, they conceived that the opinion of eminent counsel on this point, if obtained and trar omitted to them, would at once remove such doubts, and lead to the instant payment of the arrears due. Accordingly, such legal opinion was obtained from Sir Frederick Tnesiger and Mr. Warren, in the following terms, and a copy of it add.tesed in a letter by the ch M unn of the finance committee to each member in arrear, namely : "We can see no difficulty whatever in this case. No member of the Society can legally cease to be such, simply by discontinuing the payment of his subscription. By so doing, he may disentitle himself to the privileges of the So ciety, hut unquestionably remains liable to pay ell arrears of subscription which may be due, till he shall have legally withdrawn from the Society in the manner provided for in the bye-laws. The subscriptions are by no means voluntary donations but legal dues, and, as such, legally recoverable by the secretary for the use of the society. Every member is clearly apprised of his legal liab-lities ny the circular sent to him announcing his election. We are, therefore, of opinion that none of the grounds suggested in the case are available for resisting payment of the subscriptions in arrear.—@igned) FREDERICK THEbIGER, SAMUEL WARRE.Y.—Inner Temple, May 7,1849." Of the parties thus addressed, only about one-half favoured the chairman with an answer, either by paying the arrears or entering into explanations by way of extenuation of claim; while the other half, to the present time, have re fused him the ordinary courtesy of a reply. Under these circumstances, the council feel that their duty to the society places them under the painful necessity of resorting to the extreme measure of enforcing these payments by moods issued from the County Courts in their district throughout the kingdom, against all me inhere who are more than two years in arrear ; and they have accordingly directed their secretary to addr. ss a letter to all such members, informing them that unless the sums due are paid to him by Post office order or otherwise, on or before the Ist of February next, immediate steps will be taken, without further notice, to recover such sums in the County Court of the district wherein they respectively reside. The council have in strutted the finance committee to proceed iu each case in such order as they may determine, and to retort at each monthly council the proceedings taken in furtherance of this order. When it is considered that the admisti in of mem ben into the society is made by voluntary request on their part, and that provision has constantly to be made in advance by the outlay of a considerable amount of money to meet and supply their privileges, the council feel assured that the members of the society will think they have only done their duty to the body at large by enforcing the regulations against those non contribmieff members, and by bringing to • final issue this long pending and agitated question of arrears ; thus reducing the society to an efficient body of contributing members , and rendering the income of the society a definite and legitimate amount, instead of its being, as at present, from the obstacle of the arrears, a loose estimate, founded on vague probabilities Red unsettled claims. CoUNTRY MEETINGB.—The Norwich meeting of this year has proved eminently successful, in the amount and charac ter of the live stock and implements, as well as in all the ar rangements connected with their conveyance and exhibition. The council have fixed the period fur the Exeter meeting as the week commencing Monday, the 13th July—Thurs day being, as usual, the principal day of the show. They have also determined the prises to be offered for that meet ing, and the various terms and conditions connected with the competion, all of which will be found detailed in the prise sheets printed for the occasion, and to be obtained on appli cation to the secretary. They have decided not to have • council dinner at Exeter, but to have a pavilion dinner to accommodate 900 guests. They have resolved that the judges of stock shall be requested to commence tneir duties at six o'clock on the Wednesday morning, instead of nine o'clock, in order that admission may be given to is spect the stock on that day by one o'clock in the afternoon, or as soon after as the judges may Lave delivered in their awards VETERINARY ltemencrtos.—Tne Council have received and adopted the ((lowing report from their veterinary com mittee : REPORT OF TEE VETERINARY COMMITTEE. With a view to the collecting and perpetuating a body of ' authentic information in regard to the diseases of cattle, sheep, and pigs, and arresting their progress, the society appointee a professional inspector for these purposes. ' Any member of the society who may desire a competent ' professional opinion and advice in cases of extensive or destroctive disease among his stock,* and will address himself by letter to the secretary, will, by return of post, receive a printed list of queries, which he is requested to fill up and return immediately. On the receipt of such returned list the secretary will convene the veterinary committee forthwith (two members of which, with the assistance of the secretary, shall be competent to act) ; and such committee will decide on the necessity of dis patching the society's inspector to the spot where disease prevails. The remuneration of such inspector shell be a professional fee of 21. 2s. per diem, and 11. le. per diem for personal expenses; and he shall also charge the cost of travelling to and from the localities where his services may I have been required. The fees will be paid by vat society, but the travelling expenses will oe a charge against the ap plicant for professional aid. This charge may, however, be ' commuted or remitted altogether at the discretion of the c tuned, on such step being recommended by the veterinary committee. Tae inspector, on his return Own visiting the diseased stock, shall report to the committee, in writing, the I results of his observations and proceedings, which report will be laid before the council. When contingencies arise that may prevent a pet sonal discharge ot the duties confided to the inspector, he may, subject to the approval of the com mittee, name some competent professional person to act in his stead, who shall receive the same rates ot remuneration. —(Signed) THOMAS RAYMOND BANKER, Chairman. Tue council have received with much satielection the cordial acquiescence of the governors of the It•tyal Vete rinary College in the request made to them by the council that 'Profeesor Simonds should be alluwed to act as the Vete !tinny Inspector of the society. COLLECTION or WHEATS.—Air. Brandreth has reported to the council the completion of the arrangements he had I undertaken, at the request of the house committee, respect ing the collection of veh,:ats presented to the society by Mies Moleswerds, Celonel Le Ceuteur, and the Rev. Professor Henelow. These specimens have been azelully arranged t in guard-books, and placed in a cabinet prepared for their reception is the council room, for the ready access and convenient inspection of members of the society; space having been purposely left in the guard-hooks for the insertion of further specimens, and in the catalogue for their due registration. The council congratulate the society on the improvements successively made each year in the various departments of its operations, and on the general recognition of tho value of its ' influence in animating and 'retaining the cause of practical farming ; and they cannot entertain a doubt that, by the united exertions of all parties connected with 'sericulture, such a progressive improvement will be made in the cultiva ' tion ot the sail, said the economy of British industry, as mill orcenote the greatest pro .uct.on a: the least cost, and thus he found contributing to the mutual interest of the parties more immediately concerned, and to the increased resources of the country. PARLIAMENTARY AND FINANCIAL REFORM, MEETING AT THETFORD. This borough was visited on Friday evening 1* b fo y r J th . e H occ . was filled lalendd to oSaomvuelefil overflowing. sq., W. depot tion from the Norwich committee of the National 11 / P e e t nqAssociation,.,uttogviwN,h:nE.ll h e y hoTeloTwmaha.eyhaljtoforr,'dan:mdhioncyhocwdhoadthneebeenfootutol:suinsesegi7,6l. testes of the borough, presided. " That the enormous amount of taxation now ertrest e a and mpoveris hen the from this couatry, par working clalises comm ass erce, " depress t s agriee, m • ies. I J. H. TILLETT, Esq., seconded the resolution, and pep seeded to specify the many causes of discontent which ve te observable in the rate of our country. ed that there were in Great Britain and 'rel o ad 3( esel j oici paupers dependent upon others to keep them Iron starts tion, at the same time that times was enough wealth is th e Drifted Kingdom to maintain three times its present po re lation. He 'Meted to the many shapes in which thee:own was timed, and the many purposes for which the tuts mir e applied. In re:erene.e to the national debt, he oboe,* that it would be monstrous to think for a moment of repot ating it ; but then it should be remembered teat no mss I way eiLwed to sit in parliament to vote for that:writhe% of this debt except he was a landowner—except he had a% l in the city, or 6001. a-year in the coated—b et the I landowners nevertheless, called upon the poli o , pay the ?nterest ; they who demanded the eteltui le I privilege of contracting the debt called up n , omm. ing and industrious classes to exueise lb privilege of paying it—(applause)—a very email pro, portion of the taxes of this country being attired from the land. (Shame, shame.) After referring to tine, Mr. Tillett adverted to local affairs. The hotorA of Th is : ford, he said, is a parli a me n tary borough. It is quite nu that there is Duch= and Wymendham, both tit why have about the same population as your own toe% * neither of those places send members to parliament. fe le plause.) But you, in the noble borough of Tlietford, e t " the privilege of doing co; and the probibiew may be teat you are all so pleased vi this dignity bestowed upon you by pa : e mu that you are qui e contented to acquiesce in this nue g I things. (No, no.) I find that IGU of you me, puk e two member,. of parliament, hut it takes 13,060 votes to ea, two in the 'Tower Hamlets. How it mu be tidal and)* and honest fir a house in Thetford to conk r suer ea Waal power, according to parliamentary valuation; and for averse in Thetford to enjoy such an undue amount of MUM! Why is 1 , , I ask ? Do you ever kinglet, la ye w moments when you are cisposed to be most venellstiest, that paeliament %jibes to compliment you (Applause and lapghter.) Da you, John Nokes and Hem Stokes. think that . .16 to you, and to you Mon., tat Led John Russell wishes to show his ree,e.et? Why, if you were to return two radiate to paye e 'lent next time, wnat do you thick would be par prelim is the mime ion cc the government? (Laughter.) Or if some years ago you had been in the habit of letureelgee t e men as flume or Cobden, do not you think you eve:it has I been in schedule A when the Reform Bill ww paned? (" Yes, yes," and laughter.) To be sure yea ewe,: ; th e y would have said immediately, " Why it's riet.A..e , lag such a place as Thetford should neutralise the W. Rd* Yorkshire: but now that you return Lied uul the Right Hon. Mr. B.ring, they toy—" Why ec Ti kt , ford is an ancient oorough, and we mast r. emcee eiitietitle G. W. BIRCH, Esq., of Wretham Hall, and sus et tks late sheriff ot the county, then moved : "Teat it is advisable ter ..11 who desire good awl ten* mice government to unite with tha National Rotem Am. elation to obtain the full, fair, and tree reprementettai of people." The motion was carried without a single dissentient. The Rev. Mr. THOMAS, 8.A., of Thetford, they: mewl: " That a petition embodying the foregoing rerwatims bs signed by the Cnairman on behalf of slits mein:, aid per seated to the House at Commons by Sir Jodie. Saininey, M.P., the president of the National littoral kiwi .'. This reeolutiou was seconded by Dlr. PILGRIM, sae w. tied with acclaniation. Votes of thanks were then leveed to the Maser fw the use of the Hall, to the deputation for their attetelence, led inviting them to visit Taeouri again shortly, uet to the Chairman for the excellent discharge of the cute, of lbs evening. These were all acknowledged ; after which tat meeting separated. Several names were enrolled as members of the National Reform Aseociatiun. THE MANUFACTURING DISTRICTS. (Prom Mu Daily New.) MANCHESTER, Dec. 16. There has been a p:rtial revival of cotton inlaid* tures this week ; there is more confidence, greater cheered nen, and:altogether a better tone prevalent. I:xi:erten kr India, Germat.y, Italy, and the Levant, all apoesred dip posed to mate active operations; wkilit the leadiaa hems in the home trade have done a larger business thee is their wont at tr is usually dull period of the year. Some of then appeared anxious to take advantage of the present c aapper radively moderate rates for making contracts with manatee turves, to deliver early in the new year, and to aec , mplai their object in some cases gave a shale beyond the tuned prices. The agents here for Yorkshire houses in the woolka trade-the Bradford trade-speak in yet more niceties* terms of that branch of industry. l'artan eat given te exaggerate or to be too sanguine no not hold beak with tie sometimes overcautious tone of the ordinary market writes ; but speck of an extent of operations exceedingly large-sit to say partaking alenest of the character of walduesa-n volved in the contracts made within the last few days. Then is certainly a very extensive business doing, at advance; prime. The Rochdale savings bank defalcations continue to emits a considerable sensation here, and the result of the haat/gas lion is likely to confirm the anticipations held out is my son aunieationa of last week, placing the total detach at something like 70,0001. to 80,0001. It is said dot the investigatian so far develops frauds by the late actuary to the amount of 71,0001. to 71,0001; and the higher it is carried the more remote becomes the probability, if not the poseibaltty, that Mo unfortunate depositors will ever get back tn,ir solar. The trustees have started a subscriptien, patting doss their names for tcund sums of a thousand pounds each-large amounts, undoubt• dly, for men to take out of their pockets under such circumstances-but in the aggregate formienbat an insignificant sum as compared with the total liabfiities of the bank. The subscribers up to this time are thirteen: the Rev. Dr. Moleaworth, 1,0001. ; Mr. Cement Rorie, 1,00/1.; Mr. A. li. Rays*, 1.0001. ; Mr. R. Royds, 1,0001 ; ILL R. Kels.:ll, 1,0001.; Mr. George Ashworth, 1,0001.; Mr. T. Crook, 1,0001.; Mr. Samuel Lomsx, I,ooel ; Mr. James Schefield, 1,0001.; Mr. William Chadwick, ',NMI.; Mr. James Fenton, 1,000/. ; and Mr. James Fenton hip sheriff of the canny, 1,0001. The total is 13,0001. It it good beginning, and, if it could be anything like coctidet ably increased by further additions among the other trasten and managers, it would form a good ndeleus to being befits the country, with the hope of getting public list in the manner suggested by Dr. Molesworth, in his Liter to the Daily News of Monday. With reference to the deposits and the management of the Rochdale Savings Balk, the .Itanchesster Eraminer stye: The largest defalcation in any one year is stipend to have taken plc e in the year 1839, when the sum located ea the public :Lands, on account of the bank, fell trills 400401. to 24,2011. We subjoin a statement of the sums deposits, withdrawn, and invested, and the total number of eceounts open in each year, from the 20th November, 1838, to tie same day, 1844 : year ending Sum Tata Na Nov. 20. Deposits. Withdrawn. innetel. of re* 1934 1839 1840 1841 . 1849 9,647 1843 1844 1843 1946 1817 1848 The year 1889 was a period of great distress, and it glke reasonably be expected that the deposits in gavial* Ng' would su ff er a diminution, but it is impossible that *et should fall from 40 1401. to 24,2011., whilst in the same yea the suns actually deposited should be 13,0001. mare 14,823/. the year preceding, or a diminution of casif 1,8231. Tee extraordinary change in the condition of tie Bank at this period must have attracted the attendee managers and trustees who paid the slightest attention* withdrawnpaid to their duties, and who were not stone blind with ends*, and confilence. It is difficult to comprehend how kr twelve years this ex reordinary system of fraud cat. have h em carried on without discovery. We understand that whe n sa y sumon money money was was from the i t s h , e wle p a el receiving it signed a receipt for it in the " mein: b ook. in These receipts would of themselves have been a check tape the actuary, if they had been compared with the list of owe withdrawn, which was regularly submitted to the assuager& These lists of withdrawals, we arc informed, were 14418 4 by the insertion of name a and sums which had tot he* withdrawn, except by the fraudulent appropriafien of the actuary. If the managers, on looking over one ci then lists, had inked to see the receipts signed by the parties it to ah wham the money hod been paid, and had conseaf.a. them, they must at once have discovered that c.l -, . sums were entered as paid out for which no receipts hail btell given, and the fraud would have been discovered. " On looking at the annual reports of the hack. we g: struck with the form in which they are made out. The c : u account is made out thus: " ltrs. The Trustees Jt t inns Bank, established at Roehdule" Cn " and at the feta the paper is the list of trustees and maner rs, a,.h the names of the president, vice.president, and toad ret ! Whether this will affect the legal liability of the ptig • wh.ee names have thus appeared, we cannot d e s a but, certainly, the tact of their names being thus publish...a es the recipien , a of the funds of the bank, to which they es ¢' 4 : tees are distinctly debited in the account, was I.bely to lead the depositors to conclude that, as the trustees re , geed . their money, and acknowledged it thus publicly and . an o n ally, they w necessarily be reeponeib.e for i:. Tn.: qa a.a tioa of 1 gal respontivality seems nut clearly tt decialsd. are glad to learn that the trustees of the Rochdale :rasp Bank are Ilk. ly to come forward to make up a poies a t* deficiency, whatevermay be the state of the law." NAT The fc ibis institi and a IF , Wino ezP proceedin o'clock b throoahol annual re " Iu tl issued. 27,2331. 1 annual it of receip increase 617,2431. securities for the 26,9191. 1 is in cow occurred reiums, u occurred being eb The C the insta at the er session (Rear. ) had atir old•estel bueituti to frienc bed bee 111 Ir , modify pr..ride satisfied director their pr The t the fon nun r Christy riot], b, Esq:, a Barbs, TYP read mitt, whit pelt and the Thii nim