The Express. — London, England, 1849-04-03 00:00:00

!- r i s Mr. HOME gaits mararred is the propriety of miliaria' fawn the gevernmeset s dished otateues es se what farther milky would swat the toWl coy. • • •• • Mr. GEMINI& a-id that the works bad set•recoeded so ASH, es an parties messaged wish them desired, solely b at had sot buss width the power SebsChenesihr of the. ilinbeitest to plena the neeessory haat se the dieposel of the whiner. As estlmate et he SW test et Ow semplete WOE_ rg had been proposal mad gest his w iterasy es fbelnegi lee. emend dreuesenesse bad Martial its 'iodised gala that house, but be believed it would be hid es Ow abbe be a few days. Mr. SPOONER observed that the great expense of pro viding temporary emossmodeties for the racers of the boss we of itself a selcient mom for expeditiag the wells Ws H. WILLOUGHBY said that more than a million of new, had already bees • speeded. TM question was. bow meet apses week mover the eats expeadaare ? The how* shenhi Seise epos an answer to this quesioe. Eh D. L. EVANS suggested that the sere decorative portions sight be suemeded, so se to mak the arehitect to pressed with the ~neat panicles. W. B. OSBORNE said that while the squabble between Muses. Barry and Raid was permitted to go ea, the house Mint rely upon sot sates into its new lame. The CHANCELLOR SON EXCHEQUER said he had Sabin to do with the squabble batmen Meows. Berry and Reid. The rely part be teak in the ementatits wee to raiw the wild—(lanibter)--sal le sides the wind. hr this, a der otter purposes. it bed Mee bk peat aka to keep the ex peeditore while the Semis of the Gauntry. (How beer.) When the estimates is till were mhiewed to tbe 1 40 91 4 he should be peepand Maim esteems* of the teed farther ant of Ike sow houses. As Is the maselea ef tb• pliant sember, ties were certain punk= of thee theame ex terior which tad been otstresled f r, sad mid* snot be completed, but no sew eases* he non desiedises would be entered Ste for the presses. Capt BOLDER° said that he sedletion in the new committee rooms was at the very wont description. He bad aughta same add nom standing committee hi Ow , of the soma. After a few words heat Mr. Game and Mr. EwkaT, lb. vote wee agree! to. The next vete IWO WOOL as ammy towards the law' sharps in the rashes gmemasset depertments during the sanest year.—Agmed to. On the next she; dO,Onprea sehrent, towards the charge dour essealas sekilistmessife thread, Mr. HUME begged ,to direct the atteation of the sever:t amest to the cheesed eati at Ituretn. (Laughter.) The that wore overyteltere takke pleas should be tally °Nerved with reference to a recousgruske of our consular establiabseet, which was at present oa a most het& scale of espeaditwo. In his opinion, full one-lolf of Ike 100,0g01. sow expended on these (stab:lshmael sight be seed. The vote was then agreed to, as was a vote of 50,0001. to wards defrayiag the suit contiagencise of tie current year. Tie bean reused. ADJOURNED DEBATE.—RATE IN AID. TheTiii.i. - Ins rewind y Hz. BRIGHT, who said : I sutured to menthe adjourn ment of the debate on Priday sight, bemuse I was milieus 11) MVO the unetanitu ror f e t z am presisi ng the °Seim which I loasnaira os saes so eet. lasme of the ammilme appointed by this beam to lake eats the work ing of the Irish pomlaw, end on that committee I was one el the majority, the large majority by whisk the r so. Miss for a rats is aid was slimed. Is the did gigs whisk Mk Sam ea the mate in the boas. I she t ia the mjerity. P. Trrera not by say mew Homed to my - that Om ere no reams mai= the mem latish I take, ere spinet the peeps Mom whisk has Om eabetheed to the he z ber i e n ti t meat. Oa eh. whole, hewever, I as lat to ne that propelllea, sad the vete I have gives hr those dirtrt i r slist uains. I thi la tthee °l.47 be no thaa P re i ra le tht Mad of say sestar of the hoes. that seam inset eons Ireamesm assets or ether. It to se a meths of 111. et =easy. atm, bear. Z i ih r : witanses who wore esemiesi helm the emmitte ) s. nod the somenest teetimo a/ Oda Imlio is bolted, el all the pablie peps., of all Ike speeSee whisk have bees delivered is the some of this Mids. go to prove that miss feeds be provided from OM* 1111111111111 or ether, tam theme& of ear asionamste folks seamlemes is belied aust whit of famine in the coarse of themsent year. (Hear, hear.) If this be true, It is M ast that &great amenity Is ea me--is grave eismt i r l itiods we east lOW. las sac prepared to justify the tint el a rate hs aid merely ea W grimed of this 7. do came it will be said, sad Sl i ly, that the same imam of foods sight be raised mese other Mae; bat I am prepared to ust4 prepositisa that is to re etriet this rate in aid le Irani, cm the grosad that the rest of the United Kingdom has, daring the pats thise , years, paid le own rate is aid he Ireland, sad this to a far Ism ease= thee saysell which the go. vorment now proposes to sake ea rateable in Ire had. (Hear, Marl We tam talus from the amoral tam. Ma of this country, he the memo of IreliM, I. the last two or three yeas, several welling, I =ay my oat fewer thee Goer Bto 10 million "Oleg. We lam paid also very large satscriptiew boss par to reserves, s. Ms same pur poses ; the eonseapsadad by the British Awooia'isn were ass los is the aggregate, than 600,0001., is addition to of le‘eassosan cootriboted. The Icish, estabaly, gave to these funds, bat by far the large: meant tr e ss ulet t i l by the tag-pey4 = elesees of Great Bri tain. (Hear, hem) Is to this medal out. lay for Nis sem Mob bee very heavy local team- Sea Lestnd by ilararal OBS great solasualties of this it had, for the purpose of sapperting the peopsis= which has soaped Irma Irelead le Oust Belisle. In this metropolis, la Glasgow, in Liverpool, gad ia the great masfeetsrlag Ma that I represent, the Maim of Insts pauperism has, ' within the last two er them men sere especially, esesiamed a mot additional banks of taxation. (Hear, hear.) I be lieve Oa hes. ismobse is Beath Lemashire did mite some elseesseat is this lens on a former coessioa with repeat to the Medea whisk win Minted ma Limped by the Irish Cas;who sweetly now iato that tows. As to Gleagnw, ese-rs . leViad last year Ia the city pariah alone ammated to 70,0001. ; sad this year, owing to the visitation el Osiers sad the poverty thereby engendered, there will her additional aseesesent of 20,0001. The city parish eledeins only about 120,000 or 130,000 of the 280,000 real- Oats in the mare of buildings known by the general name el Glasgow. Of the sum levied es poor rate is the ail peel& it is slimmed that on an average two-thirds are mat apes Irish paupers. And the ranks of this. bush are recruited but to a onsparatively small extent t e r O:ie Irish workmen, who have been, with their fami- Yem..Masted by. and who have found employment in, the assesses samfectork. of Glasgow. The Irish paupers , up= whom two-thirds of the Glasgow poor-rates an spent, ere principally the squalid and destitute creatures who are brought ever as Mk pauenges, clustering like bees to the bulwark. gad wiggle", by almost every steamer that sails from a northern Irish port. With reopen to the town of Manchester, I em able to give son= more deficits particulars as to the bathes imposed upon the inhabitants for the support of the Irish casual me. In the year 1818, the sum raised for the relief of the settled poor, whisk term includes the resident Irish who ere not die depleted by name from the English, atasuated to 37,8471. The ma levied for the relief of the sos-gettled English mums in the town of Maashaster, is the year 1848, was 180 11 . The amount esposioll err the relief of ceenal Irish poor was 28,0071. Tbe Mod sessomest of Manchester is 647,6681., which, U divide* ley the ammat required to re lieve the carnal Irish poor, meld asease to a rate of Ned. is V - • pound spy every posed et mesh= property in the tows of lisacheeter ; bat if eitheoled seaseding so the property mar rated, es there *repast ambers,' mesas who, from pdpety, do mot pay the peervates ea their property. the asouat of easement he the relief of the casual Irish pat alone wll be from 15d. to 18d. in the pound, NA the charge pips the ratepayers of Manchester the l year. Is the relief of the Irish casual poor7odae the hat is not less thee 2s. lit. per head ages the w of that tows. New, dune, the his you bad to struggle with very severe dila gelds, and the semahotarme there 'oilseed asst acutely Lam mime aomestk _hilts el the esibm asp el 1816, W mak im tbe, 1100.1omii eemmedel world in 1847, the menlielle Os th e Emigima 1848--all geotribmied to Ohs speo liondestor enormous evil ; mid is sidllem__lto this we lei is boor en additions" boning el WOOL he the =Salome* of the essaal Inele . I gm Neely* se the pow MO Itot. ed la the lan hat meat, and I wRi kielly state the venheeotio is/ear 11146 the sew= of sum oilesSimesely for'ip relief of the mead bleb srea amok. taint the eral el the semi Mak poor el a Mesa reps. Heseheihmai 3.1161. ; In ISO el 6 ; red in OS this item el apes reeited tbe emerallete enst 11,4071. New the purple of Has- Swats have Mimi so • lasi or dememas ems- Wimpedes this eassedm berths. Was by I for the eqi O the pm t have oeme elegurene MII to the • the ogre el this ' te mps Hatt wig that i= Am this seem he the seilik mem she that the emeller mionWOlol sed=teerse to &pad list _ paha me mei mem& for th e Mb they do BOW ami Ilies mom any amides =rwill be test rind adt=we have paid out gate la di kr the reline et gad that it does be am the leatramas sad /mom of Waloart7 that Meer, to melts gnu en dee* a mammy paha le "apply OM ma which is by this MB da mming el 1111111ele lke impede tithe mor-law W enema= se the levy M the sato dal/ Wk is too essay issuers.., the maple el lemihrie. Ido sot now Slade to Uhler, bemuse the pm rates fall very lightly epos that preview. have heard a good deal said respeering the seises lion of lir. Twisleton, who preferred giving ap hi othaatica to collecting the rate la aid. Bat the moms es. sigma by Me. Twisletes destroy the 'sponges. el kle ewe mt. He did not insist am the question whether Ulnae win able to bear the rate is aid,. but his °Maths wee that Ulster was Ulster, and sore Ulster than it wee Inks& He mid Ul ter prefamed being mind with Reeled Mks ' than with Wester. OMegaght,aad Monster, — in she= Ulster WM smiling to be made a prt of Now, if this hill en smosed in making Ulster a port el Ireland is i =nuts aid sympathies, I thick it will be Weeded with a very }tarry malt, and one that will clamming for sae rides of the misfortunes of Ireland. Bet an boa. mashie (Mr. Baum) ia hi. speech, then* Ike t with lianas caused the *instates of beCl i g i . ear.) Now, if I memo ;b o uthe, I would welts= *seed up that (Hear.) is My opinion , that the come which pa• rliament has With with respect to Ireland for ne wer". of a mune, and especislly since the union, has beta in atevraanc.: with the wishes of the propeetOrs of ... Dna raclitti=gable rem tba Inaba vres i e: r :(Ciarois.i the WWI al OM oral. i n a ttwerovo ansbm l and •>i! was adiqd ee • goverewent la Inlet d a that it is the . • was ast—tbe w It.. whisk Ire bffesneed ft, and the landowiess ere reepossible. liiillts were crowded, the e wawa theca ass, Ido set mesa to say that the Roue st Oesatens is not a gensisi tbasiedoa, and lilt not bop kr the banal at 10=1 for tektite the evil atavism whisk pea landowners .1842, wbbli we e sae, and the gradate vas to of •• • proffered, bat what lowa to asserj is that trada whisk nediftig tir Irstrad-=.4 b r W-466- Ibis advise has been slimiest Invariably Wed ars by the go- than the _elides ilteskpoyt voila s le b. m . mutest This it is white has peeved Wel to the tate t was so wash &limbos tlet Wi tt Ireland; yea Ulster wee lave stood la ae way of improve- ..) - teilliffaing Ibis haft the seats is the transhiss, is the aura, and in the load roes. asmobilasass 11111117a7r - do s, rpm op b adima a l to , m tha ; yea have perehesed protestant aseendass3, awl the geiber. My buse-lbiesid the laseabar tar Stockport (tar. irk* paid for it is the rain and degradation of year reentry. Loraltaw) at Stoskpeet at that tier, and (Rear, bear.) as meek for the rota which lam about eines than ha l ai d far short or a hundred thou • to give in support of the rate la aid. la the asaS place mewl wends, In a very large and epleadid reana'acturftet I Mild *boom that if an Weans tax were to be sethefituted ealetit la that town. In raw, ths rivets who fora rats in aid, I think I isoaldahow substantial re areas why are new oarrying ea the manatastaring businew in Stork it would set be satisfactory. la the girt place, I take part MI of 8 ms s sabstaatial ebaractur Wm those who were ea eitsetios to the inpodtioa of eo boom tat for Ile so- emit away by Le. celaraitin 01842. (Rear, hear.) Well, of - (".. Rate, hear " ft is a very sorrowful most I east feel as stub far those -- - - - . press pigpen SO?poS pi t r im i rllPS2‘. t _ sea all fiats.) This a is a heal °bleed' on at the oaten (Rear, beer.) id that than has be en a dentwat Wind by a alma des to wan place, which has monad favourably few the substitution of an income tax is boa of the twin aid. I always fled thee theproposition which is Weeot Somata by the government, if for a new tax, is the ow which is disliked , WI conclude; that it testified et the rate is aid aa Wow tax for Ireland had beet pm weed, that wad have beta repudiated with quite as math vigour as the propontin now before the how. And sow I will address a few words to the general question of Ireland, which I *Lek may be Wry mitered upon this debut, after the speech of the right hoe. baronet opposite. (Hear.) What have we been doing all the Si. era ? With the exemption of the Jewish Oaths au, sad the eaviption laws, our attention has been solely taken up with Irish matters. From the incemeat recurrenee of the Irish dente it would seem that the wrongs sad evils endured by Oho lash people ere incurable, or else that we lack states man The noble lad (.1 Rumell) has no poles to propose for ( 1 Rear," and a hush.) If - he bad we should have haw tell by him what it it. The poor-law as a mew of reseetrelles Ireland is a delusion. So is the rate is I do not beam is the repainting Weer either at the poem law or et the *rate la alt. There may wen we where homers will asinine to employ labourers for the wee par- Wee la gennating dismi Iron coming en the poor-rates, len smsot lithe desire dials will net theatapieweent enlist, isturodlr poor rata will sot • peer law adds to pa by inviting to idleness. h deem the tad dosaeraisee hiswhernmeiw. It Mg tepee, nes relieve, it will inamme, but ▪na awe Woe wife gempabes. (Chow.) The paw ner sad the sett in aid aro e therefore, utterly wealth, for Mk a purg es. , 'lt Is Iles thence of sir demand ter 'Uhler th at "seettitutse the real 'evil of Rohe& In the tin hissord whose meal labour is aboolutely worth nothing. It to sot that &Mai people will not work. There exist. in Inked a lenewhie went of employment. The lands there why a papsted Sabra. If the people of Ireland were set to week they would gala their andante ; but if this wise is not adopted they must either continue to be ' supported out of the taw, or else be left to starve. In order to show how great is the general poverty in Ireland, I will read • statement of the comparative amount of legacy duty paid in the two csountriet. In England, in the year 1844, the amount of capitol on which legacy duty was psid was 44,393,8871. In Ireland, in 1846, the wow of capital en which legacy duty we paid was 2.140,0211. • The popu lation of thelattet being nearly oar half oldie hewer, whilst the proportion between the capital paying legacy duty it only fee-twentieth. In the year 1844 the legacy duty paid in Ingland eau 1,124,4361., with a population of 111,009000. In @sedan kw 74,1 lel., with a poWlatiogeof 3,003,000, whilst Inked paid sly 63,8181., with a population of 8,000,900. lbw heleiffsred the strongest potable proofs of the poverty et Intend. the looking ever the Imports et the poor law Inseams, I Ind them Swim with statements of the trostekedaset whisk prevailed to the distressed districts of Ireland. The pastas are feread o the deetrted,toehty is direr tabour is whets„ he is not to be had for its employsint. The repine o the impostors my that this entsetraphe her only bee bastented, and not origi nated, by the fallen of the piston mop daring the last four pm', and that all seen penand of any intelligence must have foresees what would ultimately berme. Tat being the owee, in what manner are the Irish peo p le. to sub sist in 'Aron ? Then is the lead, sal thew is la bour enough to bring it into eadvation But such is the sten ia which the load is placed; that capital wan be employed era ft. You have tin up the raw mate rial ia seat • manner—you have crested suck a MO soggy of lead by your laws and your mode of dealing with it, so to realm it dike a curse to tb_ • was and to the . owners of it. Why, lets* ask, should land be tied ep any mare this any other raw material ? If the 'eapply Mouton wool were limited to the hands of the Brow and the what would be the when of the Lancashire in ß ratfictories ? What the autaufseteries would be ander such ' a monopoly. the lead in the county of Mayo actually is cadet the system which prevails with respect to it in Ire Lad. But land carries with it territorial h.fiiteoet, which the legislature will sot interfere with lest it should be dl.- turbid. Land is owed, and must not be touched. The sight has. geatlentaa the President of the Boerd.of Trade wllademtad what I mesa when I allude to the Laud limegnownset Company which the legislature is ready.to anther ter hand, but which it fears to suffer to exist ia SOW; lest the territorial inflames whisk ever 'nom- Mks des pesos of landed estates should be lest or dial abbe& Bat one of the dia.:tattles to whisk • remedy min be applied is the defective tidos, whisk can tle salt y be got over ceder the pretest system of en tails. This is we tit the question to which the HOO2O of Cconatens meat very soon One its vary snieua attention. This there eases the game= of settlements. Now, I do not mew to ray there ought aot to be any settlements made ; bat what I mesa to say is, that they are ea bound up dad entangled with the system of entails as to present laropetable difileultin in the way of dealing with lead sea marketable commodity. The radios of making settlements is news, hada to endhat litigation, and wooer or biter the landed chases must sink nadir it. The Irish proprietors have also another diM tatty to cement with, and that is their extravagance. It is ethl—for I wan vouch for the fact myself=that they keep too way horses and dogs. (Hear, hear.) I do not mesa to say that an Irish (madman may sot Wend his nate as he Assess ; but I can only observe, that he cannot both speed his mosey and have it too. Mink if, they cast their pride ea ow ado, sal went honestly to work—if In stead of their yews men waiting, os it is commonly termed, for • esemaission they were to go into butians, they would be far better and mars usefully employed, and they would find that the loss huncliatieg esnlitiett atlas two. (Hear, hear) Another bane of Ire land is the prevalence of life int. rests in landed property Ibsen Rader such a system the had can neither be im =an said. Now what has the noble lord (Lord J. dont towards grappling with all these questions? WO** Aboulately nothing. I think him very unwise in setpeopeadiag to himself the momentous question "What del ha nee for Ireland?" The right hon. baronet has got *glen Re wand upon its outline on Friday last. But I 4.0 wleadars it has yet taken that distinct tors which it wet amens la Wm that the how may take week Ina of It. I shahs we of the measures which the right hon. bowel lationtes he woad carry into effect, but there are etherparts °this prop:oak which are vague and impracticable. I think if it is believed in Ireland that a commission is to be mrosiated to take charge of the distressed unions of the amen and wea—that the whole thing is to be managed through a sew department of the government, and all wih oat the attest trouble to themselves, that more than ever then will a clinging to their wretched property of beak rust Matta and more than ever ma indisposition to adept those sassemet which us still open to them, in the direstimi is which the right boa. baronet wishes to proved. (Haar.) Pa right hon. baronet stated is his first ewe ea thiamit i thth ke dill not wish the tranthr et Fenny Whitby 'WIN a and ea Friday he Meted that he was amp Milt ewe to allowing matters to aw ea is their mend woe, for by that means land wit be amsetwally &Mem& Well, bat tape what ormildne- wadi the olght ha bonnet bay had ia band ? wail he wile the eine eireamstanese, and at the sane wile,, se be- Weeld bay ea estate is Tann= or 84bInale It en • taw wto the w Walk Cl felonies*e go an estanbe matee and go eat wenn el thC theapasnetAke bersain-ra theapease whisk he hopes aril 1811 8 tor == ell , the dleadtt to which nevelt a $ ts l e woes astodoodiff he . mod thin was be in vedemplisa fo r net el DAM ti lobe then& the Msashr et bed), Wept the le litho intend nook she lieme se cheap late the at losliamen Betedesin and Irishman toe ha . .5 .... 1 . 1111 seine It wit sue, all ila Omaha awe ins .Cot. )Thume. boo", ii - stabi%erYetlmlisatwisau hat. as ifit were ea extrrot diem theamelat. Maslen mamba leans parehming what is Marto what it Wm' why, than he is aot a very feasible new teleshletelle Ind 1. (" Keer," sad &laugh.) If he willgelato Galway Wm wrath per acre ih ill tror ili Ttees wean la England, ha honk mistakes ; but the hot le, I believe that not onl i i 2i lleglith and Scotch ca pital, bat that ma th Irish capital would be expended in tokenthase et Who is the and wok it the ends the right bea. haw vse Me inview ware ihalltatend by this hone. (Rom, lam.) Dot we have a ease he pow wbi allortleas wear apes this qatetisa, and it is • ease with wlikh the ben. bareast, the number he Tawerth, sad the ben lawn said Nor (Sir J. Grahafa), ere wry . I ellen le the we Cl hash pest la 1842. Owns to • warden et antemeitaasee—l weal go hate the wake of the wi kiwoit that Is estded—but owns to a wain of eireendennee, hem Me to 1848 there was • 'Wined slaking in the esnedia of Steapert—he property depreciated to a lanteatan edeaL Oss maa lots eseporq, as he Sought, worth 116810111. et 90.0001. Is two inn aba it WI for Bale more thee 10,0001. Stew that thin the see et nee pensa, the. stagnant to be • puma et =,bee bed guildhall' the penshisineds. In 1842 the et the posr tate avenged trials. len. la Sanwa. hen No% 4, 1841, to May 80, 1842, the Wan levied wen In la Ihe penal, realities the swot at 19,1441. I've& J. 91 , lilt, to Aug. 2 at the we year the rates levied were 7e. le the peuad, sad the unseat rated 21,9481. Awl bear la Weida at that tine illedipset was in prow ot thowerade quitted the place—when erne' veep l it seine a twat is them—sens lege :111.gewlemas ding a giod Wien, wiseled=l.l:l1 hr .thma their miss he feet, 8 as as Mt a of haw weep* • nron esawn zn::relah-y., Galway, ar nog weettninewily of as heat this moment of dimuse smentst ea maculated ewe own* (Rear, hear.) New whet ems dew in hich Ste the dtpoit ? Then wee a conatimion of Inquiry, w than Mine Secretary appointed. ,They made an admirable the last paragraph of which ought to be us▪ ed be. every one who wishes to know the charecese of the people of Stockport. (Rem, hear.) Mr. Twisleton, of them said that they were a noble people, a at u d likb 4y the minions which they made to avoid be- persons •is say man 7 , tot we same all Ulm& to einem stances rub as those Mika they anith. There ate tubs in all sham of society, and is all occupations in which we may fume; end when we have, as sow, in Ire land, a state of things, a grievous ealemity not to b. (quailed ander the sun, it is the duty of this home notes barriers with the ordisary sad -natural curie whisk einem stemma take upon such eons cos, and not re flinch from whet is necessary for thi ssfety of the people from any Ellththen sympathy sicker with the ownen of codes-mills or ths=tors of estates. (Cheers.) Now, I want to remove evseyototacle it the way of the free sale dia. (Rear.) I believe that in that Bee the ooly security Zitibee der the restorodea of the distressed districts of ' The question of a parliamentary tide is most int 'Mlit• but I understand tbat the difficulty of this orison span of entails beyond peewee now lieintli see UMW you scut go back to a long search of 60 yearss you eta make it quite clear that the title is absolutely Menu The right hoe. baronet suggested that the Lord Clutheellar skull be meted. Well, that's a very severe moons. (A , lamb.) ' I 10/peed last year that there should be a new 'mart senihMed in Ireland far the adjudisatiost rit cams ematieeta with had, and for no other purpose, and %tat it elitilabl thin Wiley, the present Courts from much .bf the linshienswith which they wee, now eneembertd. Mt Ido aelfemy that even suet- a court woild amid m cued' *ltainif h *were my much more speedr 1p its Ilins thee:Units marts. (Hear, hear.) thuhswWte=he ,•114WW4 herd Chansollor is .dmitW ono bona Meeilogpdge as evsg sat la the Court of Chancery ; hoe Inds roam timid as , and inert as adenoma. And' if I ;us N ot Mi nk.% he wen in a gteat -newton responsible for the failure of sin bill fee hesistailas the sake of secumbered estates last swiss. .Tha government must have known, as well ps I do, tint tint, measure amid not seemed, and that tie chase which seas intreducied, out the third reedits' I believe, made it imperils/is to week it. There is another point with regard to. intestate estate.. I feel bow tend r:y MIS 01114 speak upon a question like this. Bteß the right hoe. gootteman, with all his authority, appeared, when touching oil it, as a gentlemen observed to me the other night, to be walking upon eggs which he was very much afraid of hatakieg. (Laughter, in which Sir IL Peel jolted.) I certainly sever heard the right hoc. gentleman steer though somanyeinuosi dee in a ease, and hardly at last dared he some to the question, • became he was talking about land—the sacred lend! (A laugh.) We are all in a mistake about land—l was so myself once; but I have lived to get . through it. I believe land to have nothing peculiar We nature which does not belong to other property, and everything that we have done with the view of treating land 4illerently from other property has been a blunder; a fate setae which we mut retrace, an error which lies at the hmistimi of very much of the pauperism and wanlof em =t which so generally prevails. (Cheers Now ward to intestine estates, I ant tdid that the oust of Uri Ye awn roped the law of primogeniture— Bat I Asa% Weil them t s repeal the law of primogeniture in the tteaee ealablesi by some people. I don't want them to meet Weespesen of IFranee, by which a division of property keempeilleL I think that to forth the division of pro. party by lam is just as contrary en mound piaci*. sod natural rights as to prevent in division, as is dons by our law. (Hear, hem.) If a man Mom to am the unnatural and mid part of leaving the whet, of his property to one child, I should not, in that partindar, certainly , look with respect upon his memory ; but I would not interfere to present the tree exercha of his will. I thiak, however, if a man die by chance without a that it is the duty of the government to seta high mewl as ample, sad to divide the property equally among the children of **former owner, or among Mow who may be said to be W belie; among thews, in fact . who would fairly parthipate .in his pommel estate. If that spew of leaving to the only son were followed out in the owe of personalties, it would lead to immediate confusion, and, by destroying the minds social system, to a perfect anarchy of property. (dew). Why then should that rune he . followed with regard to land , The repeal of that I awyruld not of neemsity destroy the cutout • but this house would no longer give its suction to a practice which is bad, and I believe that gradually there would be a more just appreciation of th. it duties in this remelt by the great body of testator. Then with regard to life interests, I would make an alteration them I think that they should be allowed to grant leases, of course only on each term* as. should ensure the snoaesgr from fraud, and that estates should be permitted to be charged with the sums which wen expended in ,their ins provessent. Next, with regard to the registry of land. In many European countries this is dons, and high. legal authorities atlirm that it would not be di fficult tO accomplish is this country. You have year ordnance survey. To make the survey messeary for a parka registry of dude through out the kingdom would not cost more than 91. an acre, aid if you had your plans engraved it would be no gre at 'Whim to the expense. There eats be no reason why the 1111140WINIS should not have that advantage con ferred upon them, because, in addition to the public benefit, it would increase the value of their land, by several years' pinkies. Dir. Senior stated that it there were the same ready mesas for the transfer of land as at present existed for t he transfer of personelty, the value of land would be in• dressed, if I mistake not, by nine yeses' purchase.. 'This is a subject which I would recommend to the hoe. member for Buckinghamshire, now distinguished as the advocate of the landed interest. (Hear, hear.) Then with ',earl to stamps, I think that they might be reduced, at any rate fee a number of yeses, to a nominal amount. In fast I would make any sacrifice for the purpose of changing land from the hands of insolvent and embarrassed owners into those of solvent persons, who would admihistrate it in a manner usefully and adventageously to the country end j themselves. There is another proposition with regard to the wide lands of Ireland. The government rude a pro *al last year for obtaining thou waste lands and bring* them into cultivation. That I thought injudisiose Bet they might take those lands at a valuation, and dividing them into farms and estates of moderate sire, midst tempt par chasers from different parts of the UnitKingdoni. By such means I believe that a large proportion of the best of the waste lands might be brought int* cultivation. I believe that these are the only means by which capital can be attracted to that enuotry. The noble lord proposes to attract capital to Ireland by a maximum rate and • charge upon the unions. If that maximum rate be all you have to propose, there will be no mug probability of capital flowing into those parts of Ireland where It is so much required than there was at the time when a poor rate us. unknown. (Bear, hear.) The right hon. gentlemen the member for Tamworth spoke about emigration; and I think that be was rather unjust, or at least azurite in his obsereatiote with regard to mammy emigration. T hing' that are done vo luntarily are not always done well ; neither are things that are done by the government, and 1 know many eases where government undertakings have felled as eminently as any that have been attempted by private enterprise. (lieu, hear.) Bat it does not appear to me that there is much wisdom in the project of emigration, althoegh F know that some hon. gentlemen from Ireland place muck faith in it se a remedy. I have endeavoured to ascertain what is the rola tion of the population to the land in Ireland, and this is what I find. In apathies of the Clifden union, the thapmtoni state " In conclusion, we beg to offer oar matured opinion that the resources of the soma would, lima& arena*, be amply sullicient for the independent support of its popoittion." Kr. Hamilton, who was emalned beim the committee of • Which I am a seenther, said, speaking of the miens of Donegal and Gleaties, " There is no overpopulation, if those mimes, according to their capabilities. were cultivated as the average of Baldish counties with the ease *Mond capital." And Mr. Twisleton said, " I ea not speak of,,a redundant :rfa reference to land; mig to capital . The land of Ire e till er th r t atrs t i: doub casele its peemttrif.slittioxi: that shield be wise in raising rams money the . ftehis the pm* to migrate. The cut owe f a timay to lantralla, or even to Cassel& we. • and the minim was whether, with the MOM W it ;maid re . Ore to convey them to a MOM shore, they .might not ha mere preatably_employed at home. ( Hear, her .) I proha ' bly shall be told that I promos schemes which ere a great isaufwass with the rights of property. layerpinioa is that RAW eon he a row Withrow. sad genet of rigittent peemeg than the laws which regains property mow. I eh& that the landowners are medal aa impression • they have been maintainiag great po li t i c a grew. on baseiltary aristocracy, anel all those ether arrange mewls Mali mem think should navy be named without gloat reverence and awe; that they have been accustomed is bah at that, and to fancy that these thiags are worth Ma pia they pay for them. I aaa of opialon that the ills. egegen under which they labour throughont the g u lled Waggon are extreme; but is Ireland these abed enne w hßowed by results not known in this court ier. est leseens of the property of the poor man, which 1111•1119 Si hie labour ? Those 4,00),000 persons who live in Menials, sa described by the eightkon. disk psspsuty iniabsor is almost totally destroyed. There they gm ma—mem Gel madman& permitted to tome into this world. endowed with faculties like ourselves, who are unable to maintain themselves, end mast either lain* or live upon Mime. The interference with their property has been *nor ineele--ao great as absolutely to destroy it. Now, I silt the landowners of helm) whether, living in the state in which for years they have lived is not infinitely worse than that which I propose for them? (Cheers.) Threatening kitten by the post at breakfast time—now and then the aim of the assassin—poors' rates which are a grievous interference with the rights of property, and this rate in aid which the gentlemen of Ulster declare to be right in the teeth of all the rights of property—what can be worse? (Hear, hear.) I shall he told that lam injuri ng ar istocratical add territorial jetliner:a. What is it In Ireland worth to you now ? What is Ireland worth to you at all ? (Cheers.) Is she not the very symbol and taken of your disgrace end ha miliatiou to the whole world? Is she no t an incessant trouble to your legislature, and the source of increased ex pesee to your people, already over-taxed ? Is not your legis lation alt at fault in what it has hitherto dote for that country (Cheer..) The people of Ulster say that we shall weaken the union. It 1141 toes one of the misfortunes of tae legis:ation of this house that there hoe been no honest attempt to make a union with the whole people of Ireland s APIWJ 8. V49` : wp was tio4o4l unica t iet t rimb hoil • pw eat ip T s 4, o i f th lr U el l isid. Star, a tl a t tbpsoir ibus must as ho saimfma, wenn den laninramat and the • witist n stets off ffilleffie . 0214 t 1 6 . al ,l for rooot e grifil pest pe a l in th e south sad wen of Ireland. (C rip) Yhe -smediffien 0( Ireland it • this moment m this— tles - AA an iseadtel with - riffir, and ruin from which, Is -thee present count, they cannot /amine whilst the posir-me menaced with stamen= and' death. • There in lies. endures in this house, and there an other, hpied proprietors In Ireland, who are as admirable in the sesfiumance.of all their social donnas say mew to be found 61 01: 11 = t in of ttl e h " 0 , 12 1. ; bZ i l i h t el ve IWi en tt " m il se is ges e a x re aln tl. " . gates their chanters to be contaminated by the promest sendWw of Ireland, and ass underg-ing a pro ems which mum end in their own ruin ; beam= this demoralisation and name:ll'l'6on will go an is as sounding circle, and will engulf tho whole pawn, of behind in one common ruin, unless something more be less than paining poor laws and proposing rates in aid. (Chem.) Sir, it ever then were an opportunity for a etassemen, it is this. This is the hoer undoubtedly, and we weed the man. (Renewed sheen) The noble lord at the heel of the government has done many things for his etustry, he which I thank him as heartily as an men—ha has allown on suss occasions as much courage as st is none -nary, it the state of public opinion, upon any vestios,,for a statesman to show ; but I have been much dueppointed that, spell this Irish queeion, he has seemed to shrink Iron a full coostrieratioo of the difficulty and from a desire to meet it fairly. The character of the present, the char. ruler cif any government under such eircumstancee, would be at stake. The noble lord cannot, in his position, remain inactive. Let him be as inacceatas he may, he can -justify hissed( to the country, or to the world, or to pos terity, if he remains at the head of, this imperial legislature and - still is unable, or is evening, to bring forward measures for the restoration of Ireland. (Cheer.) I would address the same homage also to.the mobile lord at the bead of the Irish government, who has won, I must say, the admiration d the population of this country for the temper and mode in which WI he. administered the government of Ireland ( Hear. bear.) But he must bear in miod that if is not the highest effort of statesinaoship to preserve the peace in a country whore there are very few men ,ontious to go to war, end lifiellrimeeritilts Pesos, Ms. Wille6o.ooo armed men at his . etionuod, and the whole pewee of, this empire to loath him. (Chum) Ad that My be sememansipd_peatee at all hazards mast be secured ; but if thatliseimjnelelled nobleman intends to be known hereafter as a etaterthan a lit regard to his rule in Ireland he mast be preparepl to suggest to the govern ment measures (sad to aid in f a n g them out) of a , more practical and directly Operativ has e actor thee any he h yet initiated. Sir, lam ashamed , mast my, of the course which we have takes upon this question. (Cheers.) Loh at that great subserimissi 00 was raised three years ego for ',cited. There was searedy • part of the globe from which subscriptions did not come. The Pope, as was very nutria!, subscribed—the hied of the great Mahamtian empire, the Grano Seignior, seat his thousand pounds—the uttermost parts of the 'atilt sent in their donation. A tribe of Red Indians on the American continent sent their subscription ; and I have It on good authority that even the slaves en a pimento* in one of the Carolinas subscribed their sor• rowful mite that the miseries of Ireland might be pijkved. (Cheere.) The whole world looked upon the otrilition of Ireland, and helped to mitigate her miseries. What ego we my to all those contributors, who, now that they have paid, must be anxious to know if anything is doing to prevent a recurreace of those calamities ? We must tell them with. blushes that nothing has been done, hut that we are still ping on with the pony rate, and that, having exhausted the patient+. of the people of England in parliamentary grants, we are caning now with rates in aid, restricted altogether to the property of Ireland. That is what we ban to tell them, whilst we have to acknowledge that our con.titution, boastil of as it has been for generations past, n'terly fails to grapple with this greet question. (Cheers.) Hon. gentle men turn with triumph to neighbouring countries, and 'reek in glowing terms of our glorious constitution. True, that abroad thrones and dynasties have been overturned, whilst in England peace has reigned users toehold. But take all the lives that have been let in the last twelve months in Ramps amidst the convulsiscs that have oseurred—take all the cessation of trade, the destruction of isalsotry, ori the crushing of hopes and heart', and they meet swam for an instant with the' agonies which have hien 'shwa try the population of Ireland under your glorious esnstitution. (Chan.) And there are thus who now say that his Is the waning of Providence. I met an Irish gereletasn the other night, and speaking upon the subject, he said that be sow no remedy, but that it seemed ea if the preent suite of things wars the mode by which Providence intended to solve the question. But let us not lay those calamities at the door of Providence ; it were sinful en us, of all men, to do so. God has blessed Ireland, and does still I .bless her—in position, in soil, in entente ; he has not with- drawn his promises, nor are they unfulfilled ; there is still the sunshine, and the shower; still the seed time and ; the harvest ; and the affluent bosom of the earth yet offers sustenance for man. But man must do his part—we must ' do our part—we must retrace oar steps—we must shun the I blunders, and I would even say the crimes of our nest legie 1 lation. We must free the laid, and then we shall discover„' and not till then, that industry, hopeful and remunerated— I industry, free and inviolate, is the only sure foundation on I which can be reared the enduring edifice of union and of peen. (The hon. gentlemen resented his mat amidst general ' cheering from all parts of the hoses.) I The Marquis o GRANBY • agreed with the hon. gentle- man who had just at down that Ireland mast look to the opposition side of the home Weil hoped for' remedial mea sures. The present government had proposed no bold and I comprehensive measures for Leland. He opposed the men- i sure, distinguishing between a poor.rate aslevied in England 1 and one levied in Ireland, and showing the unequal opera- 1 tion of a rate-in-aid without a law of settlement, and under a valuation lea variable. He disputed the theory of Lord .1. I Russell respecting the area of taxation; he urged the in- 4 sufficiency of this rate for its object ; and he attributed to unwise legislation, and especially to the rejection of Lord G. 4 Bentinck's railway measure, the present extreme destitution 1 of Ireland. He contended that the only means of substituting I a cereal crop for the potato was by converting the cottiers I into labourers for wages, and this could only be done by 1 making it worth the landowner's while to employ them, by I passing such laws as would s-cure to him a remunerating ' price in return for capital, skill, and labour. t Mr. C. PORTESCUE opposed the rate-in-aid became he I preferred an income-tax. This was a great national emer- 1 geney, and every kind of property should contribute, not I upon a poor law principle, but as if it were a war, instead I of the tax being confined to one species of property which I had suffered the moat. 1 Mr. DISRAELI.—Sir, the hon. gentleman the member 1 for Manchester, in a speech, to which, although I agree as I little with the opinions exprees-d in it as any member of this house, I listened with the greatest pleasure and'gratification, as I mint always do to every demonstration of intellect which tends to sustain the character of this assembly—(loud cheese) ' —has described the session of parliament for this year as an adjourned debate on the subject of the affairs of Ireland. (Hear, hear.) It is my wish that before the house adjourns to-night we shall succeed in terminatiag that debate, and in bringing our deliberations to some practical conclusien. ' (Hear, hear.) During the various discussions to whisk the hon. gentleman referred, and in which I, and those friends with whom it is my pleasure to co-operate, have been obliged frequently to interfere, we have, on every occasion on whith we offered any criticism on the proposi tion of the government, always told them that, ready as we were to agree to any arrangement that it was necessary from corenmennue to propose, still we demanded, as a principal and indeed primary coodition, that government should come forward dmultaaeously, as they asks." for dine temporary grants, with eons plan which should give an assurance to the house and the country that mere temporary proposals wen not to be continued for ever. (Cheer.) Well, sir, how was this demand upon our side re ceived by government. and by individual members very justly influential in thiskonee ? The government persisted iir_a= ria time in the muss with which they had originated .. . They 'misted is assuming that it was not Mil nuessory, bat wise sad politic, that they should a I mm down to Use How of Cloromoss an d d make prepositions hr paste of oulito mosey which, even on their own show ing, could only meet the exigescies of the occasion for a very brief Peru& Meth. hen n) When there fell from the ilps eta right bon. gentlemen eminent is this country and =tilasslialin th is kotheilke observation that sue po thook' be aceonapethed by " comprehensive men saw; " each was the with which it was met that eses the right hos. himself (the member for Ripe') seemed on Ware of that (Cheers entwooll front the too he asedess use .) When I, taiga lespiraties kegs the ri sea great master, said that I saidi t st emelt net asseent to a except secompanied ley earn pesiesseive meassres for ONO eases of dee:urbane, gad miegenvemest which vete allotted to by all sad re eagnised by many, the 'lett hos. baronet the member for Taarireeth rose t i his placo*And threw ottt a enter against eon peithemdto meneonse. He brought to the discussion all the beemese of his mot ability and great experience, and waved the how that It woo may to talk of comprehensive mmissirea, ben that he knew how little was to be expected from seek miasmal mingestiess. (Hear, and Aeon.) The iturowiest wen not only Inn, they were obstinate. They WWII peopered to WI heir propositions, and to renew dm, if seamary, every frainight. (Hear, and a laugh.) Aug what hos bees the result of all this expression of =by these powerful sesociations, and these in members ? The government has come for ward with a proposition which affects to be coneve an d the fate of which we are called woo to holds tonight, when, as if to dwarf trash proposal, to show how mean the conception, and how isateetsal the melts, the ready critic the member for Tentwordi has sapmd their climax with suggestions of his Own so vast and multifarious as to introduce mew elements of debate of the most Impor tant character, and which, at least, have justified the lit hon. member for . Ripon in u ( d a l (U s e r, s s b eforeo et ; a r o : , 1.1; le ot h s t:: .2 tvt be: extensive nial ; t: j e linsoi att,"ndtr districts ucti s leyt o.tavAueren lookloe pop ul a rly oif: oph fi nr 0 pr raising et, o 0 o r . . s i p e t a • it hln t o inn. ge. . . using the epithet to which have referred, and me and my thefrienfr ut d i l hli f ew o g r hf i io t c s rh ad uiss o be p to tion fogoaaire . this proposition for what is ailed • national rate in aid the d called the e dproth l u taLl o g e sistreisoney that n ar ee : bili t u h i ni me f a leav iste ing in alim.dthaeb by tt we ef should o s t cu l m 2o ; ooo hro i ti . g i h n ou a t d au ditlo re n : , hon. member dissented ) Well, it hot, wiVet, I understand, it is calculated would amount to titi tion i" . It . ( Ana wo- year . appear then, that this proposition is mani may be an erroneous estimate, but it has tome approxima enffeerect,arth,etphread, i osi stre iio ned n m u na ni t on n: festly inadequate. (Hear, hear.) If it is to produce any unions. dmoorenot than a r to it t e h z o p se r" ore, which is impending a doom that is terrible, I take only those unions on which was expended in one year at least 240,0001. .v: . ..: .... nom ties the rate; brides their baviet incirrea a debt considerably . above 00 000!. Generally spookier; tits?, year rate id aid Would only be able to supply Om deficiency ri! ovum In tint distressed &steins wins the sweet Ireland war possibly - aa at llta preentnsoaart, and:llt4 ray be,_'hot so severe - _ , - them •lore it erenad appearoo a general gleam that the Freehold* of the government. if it means nothie g more than a'sispenny rite over Ireland, is an thadequateproposidon. (Hoer, heat.) Bet there may be other objection, to the Or maid* besides lit inadequacy. It may be an impolitic proposition. I think it is an impolitic proposition. (Protectionist sheers.) I think that a measure which, rrofiesbig to eerie the land of the ibantry, cornmeal* by formidably reducing its capital, can mutely be called a wise measure. (Hear, bear.) A measure which, in a country where you all acksicierledojed that you ought to stimulate exertion, vedmes the excitement to exertion, can scarcely be called a discreet measere. (Hear.) A measure that, without enoountering the evil boldly, ee dealing with the remedies which many have suggeeted, seeks, or it it doe* Dot seek, tend+ very much to aggravate the hurdles' upon property, can scarcely be described se • measure conceived in a ratesmanlike spirit. (Hem, hear.) A measure which declares that Ireland is to be governed in a different spirit from any other portion of the United Kingdom, I say that a measure of that character can hardly be described in the pre sent day as one chareeterhed by profound sa=tl Sir, I agree with the hon. initlexan who has just ad the house, and whose ability we recognise with planes, that there is a difference between England and leelaiel. But, sir, while I admit that there is a difference, I as of must never look upon it se an imperial difference. ( Hear. hear) It is very possible that the position of a county or a province of Ireland may be very different from the position of our English counties. (Hear, hear.) Who doubts it? (Cheers., But all we can dm by constitutional legislation ie to lay down great and leading general principles, which should be applicable to all parts of the empire, which all which all m m us ust t bra° recognise, w ll b n ieb d governed.amust ad (a lm ear re, , and by But in a v lar empire ob vious thatgre l a i t ke diff th e i u will re s, nori ath ai r any cinu system ses tanee of s it is b- ua o lly occur. Why, the tenure of land is different, as between Middlesex and Kent. But because the tenure of givelkind exists in Kent and not in Middlesex is that any reason why a different police should be pursued is the one county from that which preys* is the other ? (Hear, hear.) So with re gard to the differinca bef wept Reglard and Ireland. There may be a differentia bethe coirenatstances of the two countries —there May Jm gen#aphiloalf differences, and differences arising from internal associations, but is that any reason why you should 'mulct OM one in • tit to which the other is not liable.) (Heat, hear.) There is nothing, therefore, in the argument of the different circumstance of Ire land, and I say, then, that this is a proporitios which is historically inadequate and politically indiscreet. (Cheers) But let us proceed with the analysis, and see if there are not also other objections brit. But, sir, if it be inadequate, and if it be impolitic, what I most object to in it is, that it is also illusory—that it is essentially a decep tive proposition. (Cheers.) It is a national rate to which the whole nation cannot contribute. Hew can you go to the desolate Connaught, that cannot now raise its Tate — (hear)—that cannot raise; its own local contributions, and say we will all on you to contribute to this national rate. (Hear.) I say it is not a national rate, and toe this reason, that Crest portion of the nation will not, and can not, contribute to it, and essentially and particularly that portion which is to be benefited by it. (Hear, hear.) What are you low called upon to do by the proposition of the minister? You are asked is introduce Into Ireland a repetition of the same vicious system which Ragland groans under. At a moment of unprecedented difficulty and unparalleled trial, when every man feels called upon to perform an extraordinary duty, and to make • re markable sacrifice—what is the gist and essence of the pro position before us ? It is this, that property should incur a fresh sacrifice, which has already borne the brunt of all those difficulties under which the country at present suffers. (Hear,) Now I ask gentlemen who represent Engli-h consti tuencies, is it for the sake of bringing tome petty pique re specting the ability or inclination of Ireland to contribute to the necessities of that country—is it fur their interest—is it for the interest of this country diet they should sanction by their vote to-night so dangerous a system and so perilous a precedent? (Hear, hear.) I say they ought to come forward and declare in language that can no longer be mistaken that • system of peculiar and exclusive burdens on the agricul tural interest of either England or Ireland is no longer to be permitted. (Protectionist cheers.) These are briefly the reasons—l sketch them slightly, because I have no wish to trespass unduly on the time of the house—and because I am forced by the turn the debate has taken to advert to other subjects—these are briefly the reasons why I feel it my duty to oppose the bill of the government—first, because it is in adequate—secondly, because it is impolitic—thirdly, because it is illusory—sad, lastly, and chiefly, I oppose it because it is unjust. (Hear, kear,) Sir, whatever the general opinion that may be paned on the expositions of so distinguished a statesman as the botourable baronet : this I think must be conceded—that after such exposition of opinion, it is utterly impossible that we can have anything more in this house of what has been called the laisses faire system of politics. (Hear, and a laugh.) I remember, sir, some two years ago, when one whose loss I always regret—(bear, heir)—but never more deeply lament than on occasions like the present when the condition of Ireland is brought under the bonsiderat'on of the house—l remember well, some two years ago, rising in my place humbly to support that mea sure which the future proved to have been so sagacious and statesmanlike, on the part of my late noble friend, Lord G. Beetinck•--(lieer)--ant I remember on that occasion saying, that in dealing with Ireland it was not sufficient to consider the commercial question only—that there were circumstan ces in Ireland of a political nature with which political principle could alone cope, and that in atimulatieg private enterprise you might in that country call, and rightly tall, on the state to interfere, because the Mt melee principle of itself was insofficient, since the cir cumstanors with which it had to deal were not merely com mercial. (Hear, hear.) Sir, I received a reply I remember on that night from one who, in a weak case, has always shown himself a powerfhl opponent, and who, under all cir cumstances, exercises great influence in this house. The principle I laid down in order to vindicate my advocacy of the state assisting . commercial enterprise in Ireland, was opposed by the right hon. gentleman the member for Tam - worth, who entirely repudiated the doctrine that there was a difference between a commercial and a political principle. He advocated the principles of extreme political eco. noisy—which I end not then think, and think less now—applicable to the circumstances of Ireland. (Hear, hear,) The right honourable gentleman, however, demolished my argument. I listened to him with that at tention and admiration which is always due to a master in politics. I regretted that I had made my speech, and maid not even attempt to make an insufficient reply to his. Bat "Time avenges truth." (Hear and cheers.) And I will now ask what is the nature of the proposition the right bon, gentleman has twice developed to the country and which occupies our consideration at this time ? (Hear, bear.) Great is the responsibility of the man who comes forward, and, standing in a position so eminent as that of the right hon. baronet, ventures his opinion. It is an act, no doubt, of duty on his part, and therefore his suggestions should always be received with great respect. (User, hear.) But we must weigh them at the same time wit\ that careful scrutiny which is not given to the propo sition of every projector that comes before us—(bear. hear)—and which, however radiant the hues with which they may be decked—however tempting their prospects— we must all be conscious that under such circumstances there is but little thanes of those projects being carried into prac tice'. (Hear, hear.) That, however, is not the position of the propositions we hive had put forward on the authority of the right hon. baronet; and if there be hope for Ireland and for the United Kingdom from the ideas of the right bon. gentleman—if those ideas be founded in deep thought and fine observetion—if they be the mature offspring of • sage statesman, none will be more ready to recognise snob quali ties, or, under any circumstances, or at any sacrifice will be more ready to support the policy which shall bring them into actioa them myself. (Met.) Well, eir t ithe right bon,gentlentan her era tw•eagagiens eameesei his opinions on this momentous athlete to the below At is hardly permithd to me, according to the Wesel the hoses, to refer to the first speech the right hon. gentlemen made on the subject ; but I think It is only fair to the right lea._ gentleman, and fair to myself also, that I should do so. Now, cis, the suggestions the right hon. gentleman has made ere numerous. They are not, however, all novel. (Hear, hear.) Facilities for the transfer of land-ewassettres to encourage emigration, and propo einem to promote the investment of public money in public weeks,—thsee are measures of great in'ereat and importanes, Nadi, well worthy of oar consideration. but they bait bees heard of before. (Hear, hear.) But' what I leek to Ladle eharecteristic feature of what I may call the revelations of the right hon. gentleman. ("Heir,' Merl" and a laugh.) What I look on as the chareeterisdo of the communication is, that somthow h o s r p o o th er er man the ag sb,: ea er: to the society of England is appropriate to itself than VW regions that are now the mane of so much eniegoveremeug and misery in Intend, and that by a and more sueceesful cultivation, results quite opposite to' those which are now realised should be obtained, and that the reginerstioaeflgeland should in effect be occasioned by • change in the Willis a land, .perhaps, under the hap pier empire of the = squirearchy. (Hear, bear.) Combining the mire exposition of the right hon. , gentleman the other night with the preliminary intimation we received some few weeks ago, an exposition in no way inferior to that intimation in point of ability —not as the " Odyssey is to the Iliad"— th e mere retting to a sun of whisk the other gives us the rising and the meridian, but in every way ea radiant and brilliant as the earlier effort. (Rear and • laugh.) . I say, combining the , two expositions we have had of the right hon. gentleman's views, I can only conclude that the right honourable gentleman anticipates in the bottom of Ins mind a considerable home colo nisation in Connaught. The right honourable Worst has rellered to the time of James 1., and has quoted the icon°. naked opinions of the wisest of English men—and glad am I dot he has recalled to the recollection of the House of 001611101111 that _gnat authority. (Hear, hear) But has the right hon. gentleman well considered what may be the con sequence of the position which he seems to have taken ? Teem teemed, as far as I could follow him—and I always follow with great attention whatever falls from the right hon. gentleman—there seemed, in all the obeervttions he made on this head, one great and pervading fallacy. (Hear.) He seemed to assume that thcso lands which are lying waste in consequence of the opt ration of the poor law—and as I think perhaps from ether ClUitS is well—he assumes that thee* lands are also depopulated. (Hear, hear.) They may be desolate, it is true; but I believe they are not depopulated. So far as Icon °hub information on the 'eject they are not so. The legal occupier, who is bound ti pay rent—who is forced by the law to contribute t 3 the poor rate—is wanting. He is in a diffrtent region ; he is of a distant country. But there is a population on these waste lends who are quite gullible of the rights of possession —who are prepared to maintain them, and ready to enprort an adverse claim against any factitious claim, even if i: be a parliamen- „e onto. .(Hear, beer.) In what /Wilts thud, right bon. gentleman and sinhin ' 'Aim Ido net use the word offensively,— j oie , 'with. regard to those district+ ? You will limiting an adverse population —you will stleu es aormin e r • population who will cont es t your dame. bear.) That is• a circumstance of a Vim must be deeply oonsidered. (Hese, hue.) - 77” up the right hon. gentlem an , res emee b e , cations of Ulster—tbey were conceived end ph is great statesmen and achieved crest result'. tyk ee ,_ been the link which in trying times hes reoi l m;,,. nexion between the two countries; and w h y De as successful under Queen Victoria, es ju g under King lamas ?" (Hear, hear.) But wbea I I the primary cause of the swam of the Ulster am scarcely induced to believe that the right ho s es wotild be the statesman who would com e forward alga niche prindiple as would lead to success ie gems. The plantation in Ulster was sumisful not e s thousand 'difficulties by the inspiring lace of a re sk Cl religious sentiment. (Hear, hear.) It Irm a eg o of religious feeling that assisted those who plow; and even with that inapiring source of nitres tho se , times were often in difficulty and dancer. Tt e et 4 gentleman is not, I presume , a staterman who villa s ward and look to a community of Minoan fed* basis of his new plantation. (Hear, bear.) Thew not misrepresented the right hon. gentleman, y ee , te will believe that substantial fanners —men of peg and considerable scientific acquirements la 4 , * Well, but I am sure no hon. gentlem an p lena I wish to say anything to hurt their Julius wha t l e that it is very probable the majority of th ee eie teal men that the majority and the greet sa of these farmer''—will be protestant. (R m. Protestants in the midst of a Roman catholic parolee Roman catholic population who have not only a lid of religion with these intruder'', but who look ea is having an Inferior right to the land. (Hear, bete) see all the feelings which would result from ie , tay tationsly planted on a protestant principle, u putt years ago. Are we to reproduce thou sources of cols (Hear, hear.) Is this statesmanship ? No; I eta believe you would sanction that principle. (ll* Oh ! but yon Mutt deal with the circuit:lances befit If you think you east do it, boldly antr.unce it ; hot, if you glory in • country like England, and undornheu riment of such vast properties', do you Mk, are not to consider those cirmutances, sot acting on chat principle ? You must cootie (Hear, hear.) I say that totally independent of the feeling, which, of. all others, lam sure the right het rd man the member for Tenierorth is the lutessim evoke. I say that independent of that comilinhe very eirennistanoe that anything like a colony or plat Is to take place in a country where the popul i eu e . te Ten* opinions, I 'say that will lead to results dile calamitous hind. You cannot plant these Kenn Cut without taking cars at the itme tints that they 0411 toned. (Hear, hear.) How are they to be protected a fore* by arming tbemeelyes ; and instantly An which has occurred in all plenta ins in the meteeryo the development •of the military principle. I, Rio for a moment believe that any attempt at bone coke; of this kind, any attempt to reproduce, even is ama form, and with the modified circumstances of thence century—that any attempt to produce in the wend! the Ulster plantation can end is anything bat err which imagination cannot conceive, and mustachio hereafter we will all hare to deplore. (Chun.) h then, for a moment that the right hon. geatimns; not to bo carried into effect so far as colonies, facia and plantations, are concerned, but that cc we to as I nadentook from the right boo. Ruh r high commission to manage those lauds which* not think it politic to plant now, sir, no one point with respect to din bead of the in the speech of the right hon. gentleman in viii seemed also to be a deficiency. The right hoe. en dwelt on the circumstances of the distressed dinner proposed a commission for the management of Mose; and he said the commission should be n local coats that the commission for the management of those c should be upon the spot. But the right hoe. get seemed to have omitted from his consideration du distressed districts do not lie all together. Look t of Ireland. Trace that extensive western use vast and indented coast, from the bay of gal to Bente) , bay. Throughout that extent glen you will find some of those district commence at the furthest point of Donegal, and ran e Kerry. Yon have intervening the whole county o the whole county of Limerick ; and where, then, are have that local authority that is to produce these I and to discharge duties that are to supersede the mete authority, or the authority even of the viceroy hear.) But, Mr, supposing you have, notwithstand objection—l say it really with great respect to thesis gentleman, because, on a subject so Tau as this, lay observe on the subject is rather to promote a Mon than anything else—(hear)-but suppose yo this commision, this high commission, established. it established in Limerick. I assume, for the mane the high commission is established. Well, then, I what is it to do ? The right hon. gentleman, vs shadowy as he was, and which become the colons' dons of this proj ect—vague and shadowy as he ens descend a little into detail on this head. To this ea after he had submitted all thine measures—l tryu eof the right bon. gentleman—all thorn ram . house has passed for the mitigation of th lags in Ireland, what are they to do ? We h the measures. The right hon. gentltnun has to them in detail. He has particularly dwelt fund that was voted by this house to promote dm Ireland, and which is under the management of t eniesioners of Public Works. Well. I take the has right hon. gentleman dwelt on. I speak in the pr gentlemen on both sides of the hone, who will can lam in error. Is there any gentle man who prutic gine* that the application of these funds for the dr lands can be better managed than it is by the Comm of Public Works ? (An expression of dissent ) like to know the grounds upon which any gentle= that. I form my opinion from no official is? I form my opinion from those mesas, u ample means on the subject, which body's hands. I was reading the last r the Commissioners of Public Works this. and if they err in the amount to be granted (cc Cr they do err at all, it is rather, I think, on the et callosity. Evidence of better management, of ma inquiry c of greater discretion in the eppliation funds, I do not believe exists in the sneak ofi body in this country. Can you suppose that the commissioners of Limerick will be more riving, nomic than the present commissioners of the board (No.) Ido not know whether any gentlemen set probably he may have refused an advance. (I But pursue this strain of analysis of t of the commissioners on this subject win to the application of public funds. I cm myself to believe that the lords high cow for instance, could manage the funds raised by the better than they are managed at present. Do they will be able to raise rates in those unions to fused to pay them ? (Hear, hear.) The right he man, with that candour which always donne when the duties ut a functionary are weaned, justice to the vice-guardians. He Bays he does ni possible that any body of men could have fulfilled t with greater ability or greater regard for the pun Well, then, why should we suppose that tJ mistionen would be able to administer those I greater ability ? Take the advance of public public works. Take the instance of the mina; could the Lord High Commissioners do it the g advanced half • million of money to a maws! they admialater that 600,0001. ? Why, the dues railway would not make the comminioners sr of tors; ar, if they did, could they apply them greater ability than those who have so intemessn their admitiattation as the directors of the hes Well, sir, so far as the plantation of the right boa is concerned, I thiek it impolitic. So far as the mss the present •Pande, the arrangement with rop lead in whisk the state is concerned in thi think it would be nugatory. I think, we d " best eircumateneos, the • commissioners could not for the publics advantage than the board , el (Hear.) • Well, than, I come to the third err tien of the right hoe. gentleman, and it n a taut one. It Is that proposition which wed PuliaMentarT fitle in Ireland; and starlings eloquence a larger views of an experienced we shall lard' to consider whether the maim" suggests isyc Matured measure, or a crab advised one. (Hear, hear.) Now, ac, heard in many causes given for the s o ma :the of Ireland. I know of nothiwil mcrs m modern political history of this 050 variety of dotage" that have occurred outlast aq I &agree:anent public life at all, it was sopptsed was misgoverned on account of the differ's.", of r short time after that it was considered to he, ber of members . They w cause—that Ireland, for example, had not s n on her of memben of parlent. The han ow iam ere equall y m ad ite r ed' , governed. (Hear, hear.) Then it was discover!' a political or religious, but a municipal caw. Roman catholic aldermen. At last we had liNn aldermen. I remember the Lord Mayor of yyb gold chain in this house—and there is now a L`: Dublin present without a gold chain. flotlabg misgovernment remained, and at last it OM the coon of this misgovernment was not Pnlit4l or municipal, but that it was material. It was u letd. Well, the tenure of land went on some to standing there was • commission that did not a guinea into the misery of Irelan d cause suddenly became legal. Like al jests which "cover a multitude of ues, the right hon. baronet waslarlarge but say for the exposition of the right hen. ge ode] has done that which I thought at last we ° from a gentleman of his great talents, his gee!' and especially with respect to Ireland. The rig tleman has discovered the real cause of the n or government of Ireland. It is not • religious not • political cause, nor a municipal, nor material, ror • social—it is a legal cause. Majesty's realm of Ireland has hell 1 eery. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) it • sufficient cause. Judging :rota ... perience, and the experience of our friends. to s um up . must be the consequences of • Chancery dual. Nations, like individuals, must be with us. When a gentlemsa is in Chancery number aids servants ; he parts with his cot, ment becomes more scant. C , Hear,: 11" laughter ; ) The same influences in a nation same eff‘ct ; and I accept the di donjon of 1 i